April 28, 2007, 5:31 a.m. CST
April 28, 2007, 5:32 a.m. CST
the lack of optimism for the second sucks...
April 28, 2007, 5:50 a.m. CST
As in burning off the episodes after the last sweeps of the season, and that will be it. A pity, actually. Although Sorkin nailed it when he called reality (alternative) programming "illiterate" instead, through Amanda Peet's character. That, he got right.
April 28, 2007, 6:07 a.m. CST
This show and Andy Barker P.I. deserved so much better. Oh well, at least we got The Real Wedding Crashers. *shoots self in head*
April 28, 2007, 6:10 a.m. CST
This show is a joke. I hope they renew it and NBC tanks next season..
April 28, 2007, 6:11 a.m. CST
Is there anyone from the original cast still on it?
April 28, 2007, 6:13 a.m. CST
by I Dunno
So they're getting rid of the show about self important ego-maniac 30 somethings whose job is life and death itself and replacing it with...shit, I forgot which show I was talking about.
April 28, 2007, 6:45 a.m. CST
Cannont believe as we have gone round and round on this board that I did not see this, but 30 Rock has more pull within NBC, and Tina Fey and crew hate Studio 60. When Studio 60 underperformed in November that sealed the deal. Now NBC's decision to run those bad reality shows and Trump on Sunday Nights makes sense.----later-----m
April 28, 2007, 6:55 a.m. CST
Glad they're airing, but to air them after the schedule is announced shows a lack of confidence, as they obviously don't care how the ratings will be for them. Fuck, I realllllyyy hope this show sticks around.
April 28, 2007, 7 a.m. CST
NBC, you just got your bitch-ass CHUMPED!
April 28, 2007, 7:06 a.m. CST
"Studio 60" is a show that took itself far more seriously than it should have. It wasn't that good at all.
April 28, 2007, 7:20 a.m. CST
...is the new black. Can nobody think of a better way to be hip than giving shit to this show? The characters didn't take themselves seriously, they took WHAT THEY DO seriously. Sorkin's characters devote themselves entirely to their chosen fields, whether they're running the country, commenting on sports, or writing a comedy show. And the sketches were funnier than most of what I've seen on SNL lately. I've reluctantly resigned myself to the fact that I won't be getting a second season of this show, but I'm looking forward to the DVD set. (Also, I've seen very little of 30 Rock, but what I've seen looks quite good... if only these shows could co-exist without the universe coming to an end. Oh well.)
April 28, 2007, 7:30 a.m. CST
If so, it's been a long run. TNT will never catchup at this rate if they keep on making more.
April 28, 2007, 7:37 a.m. CST
but when they changed the focus to be more romantic I found myself saying, why am I watching this? I loved it when they were struggling to get the show produced. And I don't understand why people are complaining that the characters took their show soooo seriously? Ummm, folks... that's their JOB. For the characters, getting the show produced is a serious thing. That's what the show is about, at least what it _was_ about. Same goes with the bullshit complaint that "the show is too inside" WTF does that mean? That's what it's about. Is it anymore inside that Law and Order or The Unit or West Wing?? NO! It's a story about a small segment of society that the majority of the population isn't part of. Anyway, it's sad to see a good show die like this. dumb ass americans
April 28, 2007, 7:41 a.m. CST
Of course ER isn't kaput, they just won't be airing any reruns after Sweeps is over. By that logic, 24 is kaput as well after they show the last ep this season.<p> As for giving the show a chance, if it can pick up good ratings in the ER slot (despite being the offseason), it is feasible that NBC could pick it up for midseason.
April 28, 2007, 7:42 a.m. CST
is pretty damn cool, but I can see the same dumb ass americans complaining that there's "too much talking and drama in between the actions... I want explosions"
April 28, 2007, 7:46 a.m. CST
as an american, and a comedy writer, this show died because it was boring, forced, preachy, and showed us that they worked on a sketch show that was the same. not to mention Amanda Peet, who is cyanide incarnate for any project in which she is cast.
April 28, 2007, 7:48 a.m. CST
by I Dunno
April 28, 2007, 8:07 a.m. CST
by Dr. Sid Schaefer
nice one! gee... i can't think of a single show about rich, bitchy people that's ever been successful... nope. nobody wants to live vicariously through the lives of wealthy tv characters...
April 28, 2007, 8:12 a.m. CST
at least i do. it's still a well-written, watchable show, albiet a very pale shadow of its former self. Weaver was the last of the original cast (okay, she was season 2 or something) to leave. The longest running cast member, besides Jerry and the nurses, is now Luka i think. i figure the show's got about 1 more season to run before they figure that they've run utterly and completely out of storylines. After this many years, i reckon a giant meteorite hitting the ER is probably the only way to go.
April 28, 2007, 8:24 a.m. CST
"And the sketches were funnier than most of what I've seen on SNL lately." Defend the show all you want; heck, I like it too. But the sketches were never even close to remotely funny, and the Jim Belushi years of "SNL" were classic compared to Sorkin's "comedy." The show, in my opinion, never had a chance with the tragic casting of Sarah Paulson - woman we're supposed to believe is a comedy TV star transitioning to movie star, but she puts forth absolutely none of those qualities.
April 28, 2007, 8:35 a.m. CST
ER started sucking after Clooney and Anthony Edwards left anyways. The show has a great cast now, but the writing hasnt changed in 10 years. Raines is a better show. NBC is retarded for putting a show with Jeff Goldblum to waste by sticking it on Fridays.
April 28, 2007, 8:42 a.m. CST
Good point - Friends does come to mind...And thats pretty much it. However I think an important factor to add is that Friends was actually FUNNY..Flip side to this coin is stuff like Roseanne was quite popular too.
April 28, 2007, 8:52 a.m. CST
"I can totally see these dumb ass Americans just killing the Nazis and freeing us. That Patton likes his explosions way too much."
April 28, 2007, 9:04 a.m. CST
It's just bizarre that they're based around essentially the same concept.
April 28, 2007, 9:16 a.m. CST
by THE KNIGHT
i missed this show!
April 28, 2007, 9:40 a.m. CST
by Darth Hater
would have a field day in here, analyzing certain tb'ers. If what some are saying is actually how they feel then I'm not surprized the nightly news is full of stories of people shooting other people. I'm serious. This page above others I've been to is less and less about critiquing and more and more about venomous vitriol (sp?). To look at a Studio 60 and come away with "self important" "Yuppies" "Ego maniacal" and various other hatred is leaving such a bad taste behind (insert juvenile sometimes funny joke hear). You're hating on people because they're different from you. I personal really like "Studio" I like it for the character studies or behind the scenes look at network television. I like it less for the developing relationships / soapy feel but Sorkin is one of the finest wordsmith in Hollywood and the show should be given a second season to work out the kinks. Some may come here to bait and spew their venom to get such a reaction but what's funny is, to what end? The anonimity of this forum provides the "haters" with a false bravado where the lines of social exceptible behavior is blurred. *steps down from soap box*
April 28, 2007, 9:49 a.m. CST
where it can die gracefully and NBC's best drama Friday Night Lights should get it's spot.
April 28, 2007, 9:50 a.m. CST
Or a midseason pick-up. But it doesn't look likely. Airing after the upfronts is a very bad sign. Which is a shame because this was the drama on American network TV that I was remotely interested in this season. There's some good comedy on the networks and good drama on cable, but Studio 60 was the only network drama to capture my interest. So the upfronts will be interesting because it's possible that next season will feature no network drama to interest me at all. Also, it seems that Studio 60 will be cancelled before it makes it to More4 in the UK. Thank god for downloads because a wait like that would have truly frustrated me.
April 28, 2007, 9:56 a.m. CST
"The anonimity of this forum provides the "haters" with a false bravado where the lines of social exceptible behavior is blurred."<P>I applaud you sir. Especially fine sentiments coming from a Hater who is not a hater. This neatly sums up the atmosphere created by a tiny minority who seem to enjoy provoking for the sake of it, and damage the experience of using forums, talkbacks and messageboards for the rest of us. I hope you use that soapbox again in the future because that freedom of expression and cogent argument is what the internet is at its best.
April 28, 2007, 10:29 a.m. CST
Dr. S mentioned "Friends", add to that effectively all of those shows about lawyers that were popular back in the age, shows like Sex and the City, and even reality shows like The Apprentice... You might not like those shows (I'm not too keen on most of them) but clearly there are people who want to watch them. Also, it really depends upon how you define "Yuppie", because if you argue that the actors are Yuppies, you could probably through Seinfield into that mix as well.<br><br> The truth is, Studio 60 isn't a particularly remarkable show. They have a target audience, which is a bit of niche audience -- to be sure -- and they cater to that audience. The trick w/Studio 60 is that it is imbued w/Sorkin politics and it's easy to see that become polarizing. If you cut the politics out of it (and I know that would make a different show, but bear with me) -- I don't think even 5% of those "haters" would bother to post about it.
April 28, 2007, 10:46 a.m. CST
by Charlie Murphy
but i haven't been enjoying the show as much lately. the matt/harriet stuff was great at the beginning of the season, but it's kinda stale right now. the jordan/danny story happened so fast it's really hard for me to take it seriously. when i would read the reviews on monday morning that claimed the show was a 4-point-fiver or a five star episode, i would often find myself saying "it's a three star episode at best." of course i'm going to watch, as there's still a lot to love, but i will say the show rarely lives up to its great pilot anymore. AND GUSBORWIG, raines should definitely be somewhere on nbc's fall schedule. it's doing fine on friday nights, which surprises the fuck out of me, but in a good way. it'll still be a surprise if it was picked up, but it's done well enough that it will be disappointing if it doesn't get picked up.
April 28, 2007, 10:53 a.m. CST
by newkie brown
I absolutely love Studio 60, and hope against hope that they renew. I've never really understood why people get so pissed off at the so-called liberal politics of the show. What, did they expect that the characters where going to be Republicans or somethin? Gimme a break. Perhaps they can redress the balance before they go off the air for good and have Schwarzenegger, Charlton Heston and Chuck Norris as guests
April 28, 2007, 11:02 a.m. CST
They're both tainting the network.
April 28, 2007, 11:15 a.m. CST
I know a lot of people love the show, despite the bizarre ire of Talkbackers against it.<p> I could see NBC announcing a 13 episode run for S60 when upfronts come around. They could always back out if the show continues to do poorly in ratings.<p> The sets are still up, the actors are still under contract. The cost to keep the show running will be worth it if it becomes the next West Wing.
April 28, 2007, 11:19 a.m. CST
I am very happy NBC is doing this. Best news of the week. Now renew Friday Night Lights and show you want to foster good TV NBC!
April 28, 2007, 11:37 a.m. CST
by Anakin Whoopass
It's not breaking new ground but it's still a perfectly good show. Maybe it's just a big-budget soap opera but I like the characters and, yes, the formula. Nobody original is still on except nurses, although old hands like Anspaugh still show up when needed and the current cast was phased in over many years. I maintain that Star Trek TNG could still be on the air if they had done gradual cast replacement, as ER has, instead of ending to make way for Voyager.
April 28, 2007, 11:50 a.m. CST
by jimmy rabbitte
...is a great idea. They're just seven months late in making the move. ER has more than run its' course (about three different times). Anytime I actually bother to turn to this show it's just a rehash of stuff they've already done.<p> Now, next week they're going to have the BIG WEDDING EPISODE! Yeah. Saw that in the first season when the Carol Hathaway chracter got left at the altar; so they could re-open the possibility of having Clooney's chracter making repeated runs at her. And then again just a few seasons ago when the Neela character married Gallant, only to be killed in action in Iraq.<p> ER telegraphs its' moves so badly that all you need to do is watch the beginning of season promos and the season finale to figure out exactly what is going on. Really after 12 seasons its' time to hang it up. Studio 60 is far more interesting just by virtue of the fact that it's something different. <p> Listen up NBC: ER is not a ratings flotation device; it is a great big concrete block that wants to drown you... let it go.
April 28, 2007, 11:51 a.m. CST
Because I didn't think it was so bad as people keep saying and I think that shows should be nurtured and not cut loose so quickly (granted I think better shows that Studio 60 HAVE been cut loose, but I'm in no position to do anything about those mistakes--not that I can do anything for S60 either, I'm just saying I haven't written off its potential).
April 28, 2007, 11:53 a.m. CST
by Wyatt Wingfoot
I hatem'em all!! Oh, wait I am one. And T*X*N. EVERYBODY hates on them. They're all rich, too. Let the hatestorm begin... ;)
April 28, 2007, 11:55 a.m. CST
by Wyatt Wingfoot
Hate'em. *swallows vodka after handful of Nembutals..."
April 28, 2007, 11:56 a.m. CST
Talk about a show NOT filled with joy...every week had a political or social lesson to jam down our throats and people very rarely smile on it. It deserves to die.
April 28, 2007, 12:08 p.m. CST
But it isn't immune to criticism. It had some major problems. The show was getting good towards the end when it became more about the characters and less about making the show, because clearly Sorkin has no idea what goes on behind the scenes at an SNL type show and that really hurt the show. What is all this "greatest comic minds" talk they're always having? The real SNL people are probably scared shitless half the time that they're gonna get canned by Lorne Michaels, I doubt they have time to be that cocky. There's some drama for you right there. Did Sorkin ever think to read "Live From New York"? Also, the flashback episode? One of the worst instances of a flashback I've ever seen. Oh Matt is supposed to be younger, how do we show that? A backwards baseball cap! Genius! Still, I did like the show, it had its good points, in spite of itself.
April 28, 2007, 12:16 p.m. CST
by jimmy rabbitte
...people think S60 was preachy is because the serious aspects of the show outweighed the humorous aspects(and for the record ER is one of the preachiest shows on TV.) They very rarely just relaxed and had a little fun. There were glimpses of it ( Christmas episode, Matt's flashback episode) but this tone needed to be incorporated on a more regular basis.<p> Most shows don't really hit there stride until sometime during the second year. Particularly in terms of chemistry between the writers and the cast. The actors are just getting accustomed to how they want to play their roles; and the writers are just getting into a groove in reacting to what the cast is doing. <p> Killing a show like this after one season... actually more like a half season since they haven't aired in months, and never in a decent time slot... is not going to help engender any viewer confidence for NBC. Every year it seems like they're back to throwing a bunch of junk at the wall looking to see what sticks. Sooner or later they have to stop scrapping their entire schedule and try developing shows people are telling them they want to see more of...
April 28, 2007, 12:19 p.m. CST
I hate Studio Shitsky. HATE IT! I thought the headline was implying a second season for the show. This show deserves to be thrown down a well.
April 28, 2007, 12:30 p.m. CST
Until they made everything about realtionships. It got so boring and worthless, with nothing that the show had at the beginning. And at any time of Studio 60 it was not half of the show West Wing was.
April 28, 2007, 12:36 p.m. CST
First off, ER's still on the air??? Wasn't it a casualty of Y2K? This is news to me. Second, Studio 60 is a smart show that needs time to win an audience. And let's face it NBC, you got nothing on your network to garner critical acclaim. Heroes is very popular and certainly gets a little acclaim, but a genre show like that will never be taken seriously by the suits. No one told America ER's still on the air. All you have NBC is your thursday comedy line-up with no standout drama. Don't do what Fox does and cancel shows before their time. Give Studio 60 a second season. What else will fit the timeslot, another episode of Deal or No Deal? Yet another mindless medical/lawyer/police drama? And to the talkbacker who said the comedy on the Studio 60 show within a show isn't funny, have you watched SNL, which it's clearly based on, in the last 10 years?
April 28, 2007, 12:47 p.m. CST
I feel like they did. And it still tanked. Which is sad, because it really was my kind of drama. Of course lots of stuff i enjoy doesn't get ratings that survive a season. I think I'd be sad if S60 got renewed. I don't think I can handle another year of enjoying something that clearly the majority neither understand nor care to, and the frustration that comes with it. Someone said earlier that "as a comedy writer..." which I think speaks volumes. It wasn't a comedy. It really, truly wasn't. I think this country tends to not distinguish between Comedy and Humor. Two very different things. All of Sorkin's work, whether it be in 30, 60 or 90 minute increments is inherently dramatic. And inherent in drama is humor. i.e. pain is funny. But to hold it to the 30 Rock standard or even (god forbid) the SNL standard seems somehow incongruous to me. It's sad that the subject matter allowed the show to pretty much shot itself in the foot. But I'll be there when the DVD's come out baby. Yes I will...
April 28, 2007, 12:49 p.m. CST
I'll enjoy this show to the bitter end, but dispite it's quality it has seemed doomed from the start. A second season would be amazing.
April 28, 2007, 12:59 p.m. CST
by mr teaspoon
April 28, 2007, 1:04 p.m. CST
by Darth Hater
Thanks for the kind words. I agree "freedom of expression and cogent argument" are a wonderful thing. Don't worry there's always a soap box around. Peace.
April 28, 2007, 1:38 p.m. CST
numbers in the title 30 rock studio 60 2 and a half men numbers
April 28, 2007, 2:05 p.m. CST
I seriously can't take it. Just like the West Wing in that respect. As for ER, it's actually gotten much better the last year. They streamlined the cast and actually got some decent writers mixing it up. It's still much better than most crap on TV right now. Still draws a pretty good audience too. And since it's renewed for another year or two (can't remember which), they won't be moving it out of that Thursday spot. Certainly not for Studio 60.
April 28, 2007, 2:30 p.m. CST
I am so fucking sick of hearing people criticize Studio 60 because it is "too self important" or that "it takes itself so seriously." What the fuck is that even supposed to mean? I think it is code for "the writing is much smarter than most shows and does not pander to the lowest common denominator." I love "Friday Night Lights" and it acts like high school football is the only thing in the world that matters. "The Office" rules and is "so self important" about a god damned paper company in Scranton. This particular criticism that gets hurled at "Studio 60" just makes no sense to me. The show is brilliant and I really hope NBC gives it another chance.
April 28, 2007, 2:45 p.m. CST
by Alonzo Mosely
That is my favorite mis-type of the day...
April 28, 2007, 2:45 p.m. CST
then it was probably a massive mistake to base it around a fictional SNL-style comedy show, and then have the comedy itself be unfunny, right? it's like basing a show around a successful composer who can't actually write music, or a successful poet whose poetry sucks ass. in a medical or crime procedural, it's pretty easy to rely on experts to get the technical aspects right. hell, even fictional politics is easier to fake than fictional comedy. it's a shame, too, because Sorkin is probably the best writer on tv, and funny in his own right. but, by all accounts, he can't do SNL-type humour to save his life.
April 28, 2007, 2:52 p.m. CST
by jimmy rabbitte
...and it has for the last eight years atleast. It is one of the most cliched shows on TV right now. It won't take much for another network to come up with something infintely more worth watching. Then the viewers will be gone and NBC will be left holding the Thursday night colostomy bag. <p> Seriously... how good can a show's writers be when they *completely* waste a series of guest appearances by Forrest Whittaker. The Shield SCHOOLED!! ER on how to write for an actor of Whitaker's caliber. In blowing that opportunity, ER showed that it is beyond resuscitation... Even the replacement cast is getting old.
April 28, 2007, 3:17 p.m. CST
I see the internet is still composed principally of elitists and people who think everybody who likes something they don't IS an elitist. Ironically, you're all so stupid that you both go right back around in a circle to being absolutely right...the ones people are calling idiots are idiots, and the ones being called snobs are snobs. Studio 60 people stay here, everybody else go fight about Optimus Prime's mouth. Whatever shuts you people up about the crap I actually want to read about.
April 28, 2007, 3:22 p.m. CST
Just needs to die. so never fear fans of Clooney and ER staff, you'll still see them on TNT at night, most likely anyway.
April 28, 2007, 3:24 p.m. CST
Would you not also say that the ones calling people idiots are idiots and the ones calling people snobs are snobs?
April 28, 2007, 3:31 p.m. CST
What's not to get about "self important"? These people are supposed to be making a comedy show but they act like every move they make has the weight of a Presidential Administration. It's like Sorkin had some plots and dialogue left over from The West Wing and crammed them into this show. The tone is just so damn serious, you can't imagine these people ever coming up with anything remotely amusing. I like the show, but it hasn't come close to living up to its potential. That said, I don't agree that 30 Rock and Studio 60 should even be compared...it's apples and oranges.
April 28, 2007, 3:33 p.m. CST
by Bob C. Cock
studio 60 was just not that good of a show. everyone sounded the same thanks to aaron sorkin. what a douche.
April 28, 2007, 3:50 p.m. CST
by jimmy rabbitte
...are idiotic and stupid. Why ruin a conversation about cancelling ER and replacing it with S60? Snobs are snobs, idiots are idiots, and people who waste time coming up with Star Trek analogies spend 90% of their lives giving "themselves" the Vulcan "nerve pinch". If you can't handle this TB, go talk about Amber Tamblyn's adolescent behavoir... or whatever shuts *you* up.
April 28, 2007, 4:25 p.m. CST
TB names of people hating on Studio60:<p>jugdish, idunno, itchy, queefer bukkake, bob c. cock, nudeandaroused<p>TB names of people supporting Studio60:<p>coursinlarry, stealthbeagle, latauro, danielkurland, russman, charlie murphy.<p>draw your own conclusions re: maturity and Studio 60 appreciation...
April 28, 2007, 4:25 p.m. CST
...but their numbers were still better than 30 ROCKs. So I'm baffled as to why NBC deems ROCK "a hit" (which it seriously isn't) while STUDIO is a failure (no argument here!) If ROCK's ratings don't improve next season, they're toast!
April 28, 2007, 4:32 p.m. CST
What I'm saying is that every show is self-important, and it should be. The world or the context of the show should be extremely important to the characters, be it high school, the White House, or a TV sketch show. I understand why some people don't dig Studio 60, but I just don't think this particular knock makes any sense. Would the show be better if the characters cared less about their jobs? I doubt it.
April 28, 2007, 4:37 p.m. CST
BadMrWonka. irony is a bitch, huh?
April 28, 2007, 4:37 p.m. CST
I know the prop master on Studio 60, and she told me that she's positive they're getting a second season. Now, for many reasons mentioned above, I am somewhat doubtful that this may be true, but the mere fact that someone working on the show was told that they'd get a second season is SOMETHING. Do what you will with this information, and hopefully she's right.
April 28, 2007, 4:43 p.m. CST
he's good times...you're gonna lump a reference to one of the most beloved children's books of all time in with a guy named "queefer bukkake"? <p>come on, brother...
April 28, 2007, 4:46 p.m. CST
Er. The only original cast member left is Laura Innes. I am not a huge fan of Er. I think it should have been cancelled along time. After Mccrane left Putting a born again Blonde Christian DR into the ER was a terrible idea.
April 28, 2007, 4:53 p.m. CST
30 Rock is considered a success because it has held its own in the most competitive timeslot on television (against Grey's Anatomy and CSI), while Studio 60 was on a ratings downslide in a less competitive timeslot (and also, I'm willing to bet, is way more expensive to make).
April 28, 2007, 4:54 p.m. CST
by jimmy rabbitte
...Laura Innes was not an original cast member. She was added at the tail end of season 1 and was not added to the opening credits until season 2. Also, I believe she has departed the show this year. <p> And BadMrWonka, your point about the names was well stated.
April 28, 2007, 4:59 p.m. CST
Its ratings have been going down as well. But you're right about STUDIO 60 costing more than ROCK; I think STUDIO averages $1-2 million an episode...something in that ballpark.
April 28, 2007, 5:06 p.m. CST
...apparently there's nothing hypocritical about making fun of "Star Trek geeks" in a fucking AICN TalkBack.
April 28, 2007, 5:09 p.m. CST
...you gotta give NBC props for giving 30 ROCK and FRIDAY NIGHT LIGHTS "second-chance" seasons so they can establish an audience via the great reviews and word-of-mouth. Although if NBC was still the #1 network, those shows would have already been dumped by now. They're going to have to move to another night though!
April 28, 2007, 5:15 p.m. CST
by jimmy rabbitte
...or nothing ridiculous or solopistic about telling people you disagree with in a TB they can't post their differing views... just because it isn't what *you* feel like reading.
April 28, 2007, 5:18 p.m. CST
I don't know why people see things differently. Some people can tell that Studio 60 sucked. Some people apparently can't. Some people can tell Phantom Menace was an abomination. Some people can't. Some people can tell how much worse X-3 was than X-2. Some people can't. I don't know whats wrong with the people that can't but fuck it. It takes all kinds of idiots to run the world. Have fun.
April 28, 2007, 5:22 p.m. CST
by Ender's Jeesh
Was the liberal, bleedinh heart, midwest-hating voice on TV that Hollywood has long searched for, because there aren't ENOUGH shows that make you feel stupid for believing in God, or that abortions should be as available as Coca Cola, and that anyone who believe sin American exceptionalism is a total whack job. Oh, and the only "conservative" character is a Crazy Nutso Christian (is there anohtrer kind on TV?).... just beautiful.
April 28, 2007, 5:29 p.m. CST
by jimmy rabbitte
Alright smart guy. You know all about what sucks, why not go out on a limb and add some substance by stating something you think *doesn't* suck. Frankly saying Episode I and X-Men 3 are the worst of their respective film series isn't all that insightful. <p> I'm willing to go out on a limb and say Studio 60 is a half decent show. It needs some work but it deserves a second season to see if it can get on track. The easy thing to do would be to get on board with all the hipper-than-thou detractors and say it's "too self-important" or whatever the latest cool knock on it is.
April 28, 2007, 5:44 p.m. CST
'cause it pisses off everybody I hate.
April 28, 2007, 5:52 p.m. CST
by jimmy rabbitte
so much for the call to a substantive debate...
April 28, 2007, 5:54 p.m. CST
by Napoleon Park
The previous year we had three sci-fi shows about mysteries in the water: Surface Invasion Threshold. All three failed because viewers were confused. Decades ago two novels, The Tower and the Inferno, were both slated to be made into films when the producers realized "maybe the public won't want two movies about burning skyscrapers". so they got together, collaborated and made the somewhat overbloated "The Towering Inferno". Imagine what a kick-as sci-fi show they could have made if the creators of ThresholdInvasionSurface had collaborated and made one great show instead of three fairly good ones? [Hell, imagine how big-titterific a Ghost Whisperer/Medium cross over would be.] Now imagine if someone at NBC had said "Wait, do we really need two shows set behind the scenes at SNL?" and urged aaron Sorkin and Tina Fey to team up and work together. Sorkin could to the character drama and message stuff, Fey could do the funny show within a show and heavy handed political jibes, and NBC would have had a top ten hit on thier hands. *** On the other hand, if my premise is that you shouldn't have too many shows with the same concept, then three CSIs and four Law & Orders blows that theory all to hell. (Although the failure of Trial By Jury shows that four is one too many if your lead actor dies two episodes into the first season.) *** Coming soon to an ABC affiliate near you: "Grey's Anatomy 2: Addison's Anatomy Too". Because America never gets tired of canceling new Taye Diggs series'.
April 28, 2007, 5:57 p.m. CST
...and 30 Rock is on shaky ground since Alec Baldwin has announced hes leaving the show.....and on an unrelated note...Screw Fox for cancelling Drive....one day Nathan Fillon will get to be a regular on a series that lasts more than a season...or in this case, four episodes.
April 28, 2007, 6 p.m. CST
by jimmy rabbitte
...pulls it back out of the fire. Nice post. I know what you mean about last year's ThresholdInvasionSurface glut of shows. It was kind of hard to tell one show from the other by the commercials. Your idea of combining the creative forces of S60 and 30 Rock is very interesting (didn't mean to rip off Artie Johnson, I swear). It'll never happen now but the what if is a cool daydream.
April 28, 2007, 6:06 p.m. CST
have you ever even seen the show? the main female character is a christian, and she is not a crazy or nutso christian, she's a very centered and likeable character. <p>"crazy christians" (a sketch only alluded to, never shown) is a springboard for discusion on a whole host of issues. <p>you remind me of when Dan Quayle was whining abotu murphy brown having a kid out of wedlock...you know nothing about the show or what it's actually saying, you just want to attack it, full stop.<p>the show hasn't said anything about abortions (the only character to become pregnant, decided to keep her baby, even though it would interfere greatly with her career). the show is about people that don't agree trying to get along and find common ground. clearly that's not appealing to you, since there's nothing to scream and complain about, and no straw man arguments for you to spout. so you make up a fictional version of the show in your mind and rail on that.<p>good show. I'm sure the people that actually have legitimate grips about the show are happy to have you on their side.
April 28, 2007, 6:08 p.m. CST
but I'm sure the show has lots of grips, too...
April 28, 2007, 6:18 p.m. CST
...I shouldn't take people to task because I think what they're saying is stupid, but anybody who wants to can say the same about me? Why don't YOU let ME say what I want to say, like you said I should?
April 28, 2007, 6:27 p.m. CST
by jimmy rabbitte
you're worse than a chick... you were the one who started off by telling people to go to a different TB because you didn't like what they were saying. If you can't take it, if can't get over it, then you're the one that needs to find a different TB. If it's OK with you, the rest of us will continue to say stuff... even if you don't agree with it... we'll *gladly* continue. I couldn't care less what your estimation of quality or stupidity is.
April 28, 2007, 6:33 p.m. CST
it's just that someone who uses a kid's book title for their username is probably ill-placed to cast aspersions at other talkbackers' maturity. besides, if that's the level of argument we're resorting to to defend Studio 60 from the haterz ("your username is immature"), then god fucking damn it deserves to get shitcanned. I think Sorkin is a genius but even half the Sorkin fans on this talkback seem to recognise that Studio 60 is flawed. i don't think it deserves to be cancelled, but let's agree that Sorkin hasn't done himself any favours by basing his new tv series around a live comedy sketch show that isn't actually that funny.
April 28, 2007, 6:44 p.m. CST
If Baldwin leaves, it'd be a very good move to bring on Will Arnett's character in his place. He's a fantastic actor, he had good chemistry, and his character would actually make sense to take Baldwin's position. It'd solve a lot of problems is all. It's just depressing that Drive, Raines, Studio 60, and Veronica Mars will probably be gone next year.
April 28, 2007, 6:58 p.m. CST
I mean really..no one watches the show..its been on the bubble since it began....i mean, who really frickin cares at this point?
April 28, 2007, 7:16 p.m. CST
I want my "Big-Titteriffic TV"*! <br>*(Trademark and Copyright, 2007, Napoleon Park.)
April 28, 2007, 8 p.m. CST
Ooh, now I get it. You're an idiot. Sorry I didn't catch on sooner.
April 28, 2007, 8 p.m. CST
I really liked the show when it started off. I didn't find it boring, forced or preachy. And I disagree with you regarding Peet's character. I actually saw the humor in the show and I liked seeing how Matt, Danny and the rest of the group have to jump hurdles due to social issues and activist groups. I liked how the corporate politics of the parent company bleed down into this little show on NBS. Was this a sitcom - no, did it have humor in it - for me yes. I got it. It worked for me. Now just because some of these characters were liberal and rolled their eyes when someone mentioned God, the bible and waving the american flag doesn't feel preachy to me - it feels real. As you may remember not everyone on the show was a liberal. Sure Sorkin has a point of view on the world and it's echoed in his show - so what. Roddenberry did it, the EPs of The Shield, 24 and The Unit are doing it now (ahem... torture and dirty cops are good when it's really needed - it's all gray). It's too bad that you didn't like the show. Did you go into it with an open mind or did you walk in with a bone to pick because you don't like Sorkin and his past success? Now maybe you fill me in as to why you thought it was boring and preachy. As eloquent as you were saying "fuck you" to me, you still haven't countered or addressed what I originally said: The show is important to the characters, and they take their jobs seriously because if they don't they'll get fired and be unemployeed and the show isn't to inside because millions loved The West Wing and Law and Order and CSI and dozens of other shows about a small sub-set of the population that have different jobs than your everyday banker, construction worker, retail sales person, gardener, etc... Can you answer that, or should I expect another childish rant?
April 28, 2007, 8:10 p.m. CST
by jimmy rabbitte
Ooh, now I get it. You're an idiot. Sorry I didn't catch on sooner.<p> see I can do that too...
April 28, 2007, 9:14 p.m. CST
"hey, maybe you fans of the show can start a letter writing campaign...that one really worked with star trek and wonderfalls (imo, two shows superior to studio 60 who were killed off before their time)" Now you've resorted to taunting people because their favorite show got canceled? You came just short of shouting "WHERE IS YOUR GOD NOW?"
April 28, 2007, 9:38 p.m. CST
i read your post and it's well-thought out and frankly a good read. however, your arguments are clearly directed at other comments from other talkbackers. but i shall respond nonetheless. (with as few childish words as i can prevent my hands from typing) first, Peets character is one of the most unbelievable in recent memory. SHE runs a network. Amanda Peet runs a NETWORK. i had to say that twice and emphasize two different words. i don't care if it has a liberal or conservative slant as long as each character has a disinctive voice. this show didn't achieve that each scene consisted of a Sorkin essay broken up by having different characters each read a paragraph. i went in with a completely open mind (as open a mind as a sketch writer can have when it comes to this topic) and I have never seen anything Sorkin has ever written prior. i don't watch hourlong dramas, but i gave this a chance specifically because it was about an SNL-type show. in fact, i watched about 5 episodes then i stopped. i stop watching shows i don't like. i understand the gravity of the show to the characters, but even people who work in toilet factories smile once in a while. these people work on a succesful COMEDY show. (even that is debatable. i mean, about 1% of the population is familiar with Gilbert and Sullivan. that one percent being me and Sorkin.) in any event, have a good evening. and i never said "fuck you". i said "fuck hugh" which is a curb your enthusiasm reference that denotes my disagreement with you, while still trying to maintain a sense of fun. now if you'll excuse me, i have to go beat up some "dumb ass" british people for Benny Hill.
April 28, 2007, 9:53 p.m. CST
by slappy jones
That type of arguing is so fucking stupid. I am convinced that sorkin is actually a republican and the whole point of the show was to try and make liberals look bad ...to make them look as smug ans self satisfied as the right want people to think. I don't hate studio 60 because its cool too...I hate it because it is a badly written overly self serious load of prententious twadle that makes almost embarrassed to be a liberal. It is so self rightous and hoKEY. and where are the egos? read any book on saturday night live and backstage its egos ego egos egos but the "stars" of the show in this thing are all the nicest people in the world and they all get along and it's fucking boring
April 29, 2007, 12:03 a.m. CST
I liked the direction S60 was heading. Unfortunately Sarah Paulson was just simply miscast in her role (it'd take a Kristin Chenoweth clone to truly make the role work) so that dragged things down. I'd love to see some of the characters from Sports Night brought in--wouldn't be too much of a stretch. Maybe Sorkin would get back in his groove that way . . .
April 29, 2007, 12:11 a.m. CST
by Bob C. Cock
and what does that have to do with studio 60 being all about a sketch comedy show that doesn't make anyone laugh?
April 29, 2007, 12:14 a.m. CST
by jimmy rabbitte
after you I'm pretty sure I've got the problem narrowed down to a guy named...Eddy.
April 29, 2007, 12:32 a.m. CST
I get to finish out the season of a show I enjoyed...didn't love it but really enjoyed it when it started to hit its groove...AT least we still have the office on NBC! BEARS EAT BEETS!
April 29, 2007, 1:24 a.m. CST
...I laughed my ass off at "fuck Hugh." I've always wanted to make that joke but I never thought anybody would get it, so that's awesome.
April 29, 2007, 1:32 a.m. CST
Just retitle it THE NETWORK (or something like that) and focus it on Steven Webber's character and the NBS network he runs. The stuff with him in S60 was the cream of the crop. He's the only truly non-annoying person on the show, and running-a-network stuff is interesting and probably more relatable than writing sketch comedy.
April 29, 2007, 1:40 a.m. CST
Have Jordan McDeere (aka Nails on a Blackboard) run off with Danny Tripp and get married and go make movies or whatever far away, so she's not in the show. Introduce cool new characters (new NBS execs and people who work at the other NBS shows) and look in on STUDIO 60 only occassionally, because it's boring and nobody cares about it. Thank you for your time and consideration, NBC and Aaron Sorkin.
April 29, 2007, 2:53 a.m. CST
Joshua Malina shows up, and the finale is called "What ind of Day Has It Been?" Janney is apparently going to be in the finale, though.
April 29, 2007, 2:55 a.m. CST
You knew what I meant.
April 29, 2007, 3:07 a.m. CST
how many people do you know try to make you think you just don't "get it" when you say you don't like this show. isn't that awkward?
April 29, 2007, 4:44 a.m. CST
A new, militant fruit of the loom character? That wierd, kinda racist asian girl credit card sketch? They get no cell phone reception on the sunset strip? Holy shit, this show sucks! Wish they'd just make the whole thing that flashback thing they did, that actually had energy to it.
April 29, 2007, 4:48 a.m. CST
Nobody likes Studio 60 this much. I can't believe all these positive comments - what, did all the PAs get together and launch a shadow marketing campaign? Seriously - this show sucks! I can't wait for it to not come back!
April 29, 2007, 5:08 a.m. CST
How delusional do you have to be to enjoy studio 60? Wow, you're telling me one guy writes 10 sketches a week? And he's a bigshot screenwriter with a serious theater background? And he writes sketches called "Pimp My Trike"? C'mon, seriously. Pimp My Trike? "Trike" doesn't even rhyme with "Ride", it's not even a clean parody angle. When MADtv did their pimp my ride parody they did "pimp my bride", which is a parody premise that at least makes sense. And the show's doing amazingly well in the ratings? Oh, fantastic, well now there's no conflict or drama to worry about! Seriously, Sports Night worked because they were in 4th place - who gives a shit about a show that's essentially invincible? So what's the NBS lineup, again? Studio 60 and...I guess a pilot for "Nations"?
April 29, 2007, 5:55 a.m. CST
by Napoleon Park
Jimmy Rabbitte was kind enough to like the idea of merging S60 and 30R. Yeah, it's a daydream, and yeah the time to do it would have been before either show aired. It may be too late to save either show - S60 is dead and without Baldwin 30R is most likely dying. But someone mentioned thinking that Stephen Webber was the best character on the show. So here's an "unofficial" way to merge the shows - Replace Baldwin with Stephen Webber and a similarly named character to the one he placed on S60. That'd get people attention 9and leave open the stunt-casting possibility or bringing in other S60-onthe-sunset-Strip vets to parody their characters and tie up unresloved plot lines. I know that kind of stuff is impossible to negotiate, but I;m a fan boy comics geek who loves cross-overs and parodies and I'd totally get into something like that. *** Meanwhile, i doubted "Raines" would survive all along, but I loved it and enjoyed every episode while I could. Knowing the upcoming six Studio Sixties are most likely going to be the last, and since I did enjoy the show, I will make a point to do the same. (And for us old tech poor folks who don't have DVD burners, six hours fits just nicely on one VHS tape just in case those final episodes are worth watching again in a year ot two. (Thanx for the shout out. Real Ratigan - yeah, I would totally watch any networks line-up on "Big-Titterrific Night". Just bring back "Hot Properties". "Love, Inc" and "Stacked" and I'd tune in. (And what ever happened to Jolene Blalock? Shouldn't she have a show?)
April 29, 2007, 9:42 a.m. CST
by Col. Tigh-Fighter
I thank you
April 29, 2007, 9:43 a.m. CST
by Powers Boothe
Most of the silly people who slate ER, haven't actually watched an entire episode in YEARS. The criticism about there no longer being any of the original cast memebers is idiotic.<br> Studio 60 is also very good. It's a pity it doesn't have much of an audience.
April 29, 2007, 10:48 a.m. CST
<p>Not to me. I generally get hooked on serialized drama via characters, not premise. Lose the ones I care about, and whatever remains, however well done, becomes less interesting. Not that I have an opinion of the current ER one way or another...</p> <p>On topic: S60 was merely good rather than great, but I'll still be sorry to see it go. Glad we'll get to see the rest of the season broadcast, rather than having to wait for the DVD set.</p>
April 29, 2007, 12:09 p.m. CST
....studio 60 on it's way out, yet "the simple life" gets a fifth season. <p> in other news: the sooner "civilization" ends, the better!
April 29, 2007, 12:43 p.m. CST
i watch it because, for all its faded glory, it's still one of the better shows on tv. but it hasn't been terrific for a long while. it's kinda like the West Wing after Sorkin left: good but no longer great.
April 29, 2007, 1:35 p.m. CST
by barnaby jones
Whittaker's role was excellent too, he was creepy but you couldn't help but feel for the guy. If it's going to end, i hope they give it a season to do it properly.
April 29, 2007, 1:57 p.m. CST
If NBC is going to keep bringing back Medium, Las Vegas and Crossing Jordan every year, all shows with comparable ratings to what Studio 60 was getting, then it deserves the same consideration. Maybe not for a full season, but a shortened (10-15 episode) mid-season replacement.
April 29, 2007, 6:59 p.m. CST
even if it's not up to it's hey-day quality, ER has gotten MUCH better the last season. It's almost amazing. They must have gotten some great new writing talent, because they're really stepping it up. Sam, Morris, and Neela have all been tremendously written the last season. It's pretty impressive, since after last year I was basically not watching the show (even though my wife still did). Somehow they sucked me back in. It might not be as "must see" as it was, but it's better than 90% of the stuff out there.
April 29, 2007, 8:21 p.m. CST
Just when I was getting to like 30 Rock. Alec doesn't want to do it any more and the network has no confidence in it. You think someone would have made a stink about not one but TWO TV shows about what happens behind the scenes of an SNL-type show. No wonder I can't get Barbara Mcnamara Casting to call me for work -These people have their heads up their collective asses.
April 29, 2007, 9:58 p.m. CST
...is pretty good actually. I think the cast have the whole SNL thing going for them. Especially the really bad "funny sketches" but the show behind the show is good. <P>Why has it been on the backburner for so long is what I'm pissed about. Right when it started picking up speed, they freaking stop it for a couple of months. Now that was a shitty move.<P>At least they're bringing it back, now that's the good news.<P>As far as ER goes, I think it just developped into a bad soap opera. As soon as they killed off Anthony Edwards' character that's when the show started to plunge, Noah Wyle got off just in time (Althought he hasn't done anything good since). Now, I have to say I haven't seen a single episode since 2 or 3 years ago, but they just lost me with all the shitty storylines.<P>Studio 60, isn't the greatest show on earth, far from it, but I still think it had something and if they keep on this thing, it will become a very good show.
April 30, 2007, 4:09 a.m. CST
ER had slipped the last few years, but this year has seen an increase in ratings... so significant that a planned hiatus in January was cancelled, and the season order on episodes went from 18 to 24. I thought the show would go downhill after Noah Wyle left, but it's gotten really good.
April 30, 2007, 6:48 a.m. CST
y'know, people who like it: list specific plots you enjoyed.
April 30, 2007, 9:38 a.m. CST
i don't know about MUCH better, but it has picked itself up a little this season. ditching the old title sequence, for instance, i get the sense that they're no longer trying to pull viewers with nostalgia. and i like the current cast overall: Neela, Pratt, Luka, Sam and even Ray are good. Plus with Weaver gone, they've finally broken with the last of the season 1 cast. but the basic problems of the show remain: a writing team that seems to confuse frenetic action with dramatic risks. sure, patients continue to turn up to the hospital with interesting and sometimes funny stories, but the main lives of the characters seem oddly inert, despite the fact that they're arrested, or their idiot son burns down the apartment, or Forrest Whittaker puts their hand in a vice. it's all very well-directed and reasonably well-written but there's nothing remotely comparable to such major ER moments like Carter being stabbed by a psycho and finding Lucy on the floor beside him. there's no suprise left in the show and therefore its hard to generate dramatic tension. i'll keep watching because, as i said, i like the cast and the writing isn't bad. but i figure they've got to make the next season the last, so the show can go out with a bang, rather than a dull thud.
April 30, 2007, 3:52 p.m. CST
it's not burning quite as much. still liquid shit, but hey...what are ya gonna do?
April 30, 2007, 11:16 p.m. CST
but I still liked it. I can't figure why people are so black and white about their viewing. If I slammed every show because it had flaws, I wouldn't watch anything! Then again, maybe that would be a good thing. Studio 60 had many flaws - yes, it lacks the energy and optimism of Sports Night, no, it's not believable that one guy would write an entire sketch comedy show on his own (I've often said the Studio 60 of the flashback would be a much more interesting show). But I care about these characters even when they're fuckups. I care about Matt and Danny and Harriet and Jordan and Jack and Tom and Simon. Though the sketches weren't funny, I found many situations on the show to be funny. Some shows win you over. Some don't. This one has for me and I'm eagerly awaiting the rest of the episodes. I really hope NBC actually plays them all, but then I suspect they'll pull it immediately if the first airing has low ratings and replace it with some dumbass reality show. And if this is the last we'll see of the show, I hope the last episodes tie up the story well.
May 1, 2007, 9:44 a.m. CST
If Studio 60 was more concerned about telling a good story than getting up on the soap box and telling people how to think on the social issue of the day, it would've been more successful. I'm a liberal Democrat, but this made me sick. It's the same reason why I stopped watching The West Wing until the last season. There was so much material there that Sorkin ignored because he had to tell people what to think. Good riddance.
May 1, 2007, 12:46 p.m. CST
It's fun to watch. If it goes away I'll watch something else. End of conversation.
May 2, 2007, 8:48 a.m. CST
by jimmy rabbitte
...and it has for the last 7 to 8 years... that should about wrap this up...