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AICN BOOKS! Moriarty Learns A Lot About THE MAKING OF STAR WARS!!

I can’t believe how much work I have to do right now. It’s sort of amazing. I’m not stressed anymore; I’ve passed into a state of constant bemusement by now. There is not an hour of my day right now that’s not accounted for. And even so, there are certain things that leapfrog right past everything else in terms of priority. Such was the case with THE MAKING OF STAR WARS for me over the last few days. The book actually showed up here at the house about two weeks ago, and I started flipping through it right away. It’s a great cover:




And honestly, when I got it, I thought it would be one of those STAR WARS books you can flip through and dip in and out of and just keep as occasional reference/fanboy porn. For example, I was given a gift recently that was sort of amazing, a giant 20 pound red box with inlaid pieces of the Millennium Falcon on the cover. It’s some super-deluxe version of a package called SCULPTING A GALAXY: INSIDE THE STAR WARS MODEL SHOP, and it’s filled with some pretty cool photos for the hardcore FX geek side of me. It’s a good book. Not a great book. But the package overall sort of makes up for it. That’s more than a coffee-table book; that’s full-blown nerd furniture.




But this book by J.W. Rinzler... wow. This is a book I’ve always wanted, but I never realized I was missing it until I started reading. This was supposed to be published in connection to the release of the first STAR WARS back in 1977. It was a project spearheaded by Charles Lippincott, a v.p. of merchandising and publicity for 20th Century Fox. He conducted exhaustive interviews, many of them before the film ever opened. If you’re a life-long STAR WARS fan, you know that the story of how that first film was made is almost a myth unto itself now, and there are all sorts of legends that have been embellished, many of which were no doubt encouraged by Lucas himself. Here... finally... is an impeccably written and researched look at the way it really happened, removed of all myth-making, step by arduous step. This is a book that George Lucas lovers and haters alike will offer as proof of everything they feel about him, and that’s the way it should be. This is an unbiased picture, or as much of one as is possible. Rinzler obviously loves the STAR WARS films, but he doesn’t write as a gushing fan. He writes with a clear eye, and he knows how to tell the story. It’s engaging, detailed, very entertaining. This is, aside from its value to me as a piece of STAR WARS history, a really well-written book, and that is almost unheard of in the behind-the-scenes publishing world. Most making-of books are interesting primarily if you’re a film geek and you want to know more. Sometimes, they are something greater, and I’ve noticed that most of the ones that eventually win acclaim are for disastrous productions. It’s rare that you get a picture of the controlled chaos that goes into also creating a classic, a movie that connects with people on a chemical level. When you look at the chain of events and decisions that it took for STAR WARS to become STAR WARS, it is a potent lesson of the one thing I know to be absolutely, unquestionably true about Hollywood: it is a goddamn miracle that anyone ever makes any films that are worth watching at all. There are a million ways for a film to not work, but it seems like for the great movies, here is only one way it could possibly have worked. This book would make a great companion piece to Laurent Bouzereau’s THE ANNOTATED SCREENPLAY, which is an awesome reference source, but not as much of a great read on its own. Bouzereau is preaching to the converted; Rinzler’s book traces the process by which the film managed to convert anyone in the first place. The book starts with an introduction by Peter Jackson that speaks directly to a generation that was driven movie-crazy by their first exposure to STAR WARS. Then there’s a brief description by Rinzler of just how he came across the Lippincott interviews while he was working on the making-of book for REVENGE OF THE SITH. Among those who were interviewed by Lippincott were Gary Kurtz, George Lucas, Alan Dean Foster, John Dykstra, Gilbert Taylor, Robert Watts, Stuart Freeborn, John Stears, John Barry, Carrie Fisher, Mark Hamill, Harrison Ford, Anthony Daniels, John Williams, Paul Hirsch, Joe Johnston, Ben Burtt, Ralph McQuarrie, Marcia Lucas, Alan Ladd Jr., Richard Edlund, Harrison Ellenshaw, Dennis Muren, and more. The book starts tracing the development of the idea in 1968, and chapter one goes all the way through 1973. The really heavy lifting, where Lucas first cracked the piece, takes place in chapter two, from August 1973 to January 1975. In a sense, this is the most creative Lucas has ever been regarding the series. During that time, he was just writing and writing and writing, trying to figure out what story he was telling and what characters he wanted to use. That vision starts to come into focus in chapter three, between January and August of 1975, when Lucas meets Ralph McQuarrie, whose paintings are such a major part of the look and feel of the STAR WARS universe. He was actually doing some concept art for Hal Barwood and Matthew Robbins for a SF film they never ended up making, and Lucas saw the art and hired him. What I love in these early chapters is watching how the creative team fell together. Each of these people had to contribute some part to the picture that was starting to come together, and with each person who understood what Lucas was talking about, STAR WARS inched its way towards reality. Chapter Five, “Purgatory,” traces the period from September to December 1975, when Fox put the entire project on hold because they had yet to finish contract negotiations and they were no longer willing to spend any money until they could vote on whether or not they were going to make the film. LUCKY LADY, an expensive bomb by Stanley Donen, almost hobbled the film because Fox lost money on that, and the production model for STAR WARS was much the same, with an independently-minded director and a potentially-expensive movie that seemed to get more expensive every day. The book details the way money was spent on the film, and the numbers seem scrupulously honest. It’s amazing to read how (relatively) little they spent on this film when you consider how ground-breaking it was. It may have seemed like a huge gamble at the time, but even adjusting for inflation, it seems to me like it was a fairly responsible budget for a film of this kind of ambition. There have been so many stories told about the casting of the film that I assumed I’d heard them all. But again... this is all information that was fresh when Lippincott did these interviews, so there are things here that I assume have just been forgotten or ignored in the years since. I’m fascinated by the various ways Lucas considered putting his cast together. At one point, he wanted Toshiro Mifune to play Obi-Wan in Japanese, with subtitles, and he was going to cast the Princess as Japanese, too. If he did that, though, he wanted a black Han Solo, and at one point, Laurence Hilton-Jacobs (Freddie “Boom Boom” Washington from WELCOME BACK KOTTER) was the front-runner.
Finally, with Chapter Seven, principal photography begins in Tunisia. The film walks through the production day by day from that point forward, and here’s where Rinzler really turns this into a compelling narrative. Even though we know what happened to the film once it was released, he manages to paint the entire production as barely-controlled chaos, and he goes a great job of allowing you to understand just how much compromise went into getting the story onscreen. One thing that really surprised me was learning that the decision to “kill” Obi-Wan wasn’t made until they were already shooting. Near the end of the Tunisia shoot, Lucas takes Alec Guinness aside to tell him about his new plan, and when they all return to England, Guinness briefly considers dropping out of the film, disappointed and feeling like his role had been reduced for no reason. After a lunch meeting with Lucas, though, Guinness realized that the early exit from the film actually gave Kenobi a mythic status that couldn’t be matched by just standing around while other people were involved in heroics. The self-sacrifice convinced him, and I can’t imagine the film without it.
Every sequence in the movie is broken down so you can see what days something was shot, what shots were accomplished each day. It’s amazing how fast Lucas shot considering the near-constant challenge of the robots not working or costumes not being ready or aliens not being fully designed. It’s little wonder Lucas didn’t direct again for sixteen years after this film. It must have felt like dying from a million papercuts, each delivered someplace extra-painful. All the stuff about the way English crews would schedule a day thanks to union rules echo the frustration I’ve heard James Cameron faced when he shot ALIENS. It didn’t help that you had all sorts of costumed characters who took time to make up before each shot, each one complicated in a totally different way.
What comes through clearly in much of the book is just how crucial chemistry was between the key cast members, and just how lucky Lucas got. Harrison Ford may have been given the role of Han Solo reluctantly by Lucas, who was determined not to use anyone from AMERICAN GRAFITTI in the film, but Ford proved to be an invaluable presence on-set, helping keep things light and also showing Carrie Fisher and Mark Hamill just how to handle Lucas’s tricky dialogue.
Chapter Ten, once principal photography is complete, is fascinating in a whole new way as Lucas turns his full attention to post-production. The birth of ILM is covered here in every excruciating detail, and once again, Rinzler’s work is impeccably researched and compellingly presented. Each problem that comes up has to be solved, and it’s the process that I’m so impressed by. Even though I read everything I could get my hands on about the making of STAR WARS at the time, there’s still so much new information here that I feel like I’ll have to read it again just to absorb it all. I never knew that the film could have had a G rating if Lucas had wanted it. The MPAA was split when they voted, and they offered the choice to the studio: G or PG. It was Fox that decided to take the stricter rating because they were worried about reactions if they didn’t. Looking at reprints from VARIETY about the weekend box-office for that first legendary Memorial Day, I see that STAR WARS was up against THE GREATEST, ANNIE HALL, ROCKY, AUDREY ROSE, THE CAR, DAY OF THE ANIMALS, SMOKEY & THE BANDIT, CROSS OF IRON, and more, and the book does a great job of evoking what it was like to see the movie with that first wave of crowds, what it was like to be part of that instant phenomenon. If you buy the softcover edition of the book, you’ll get 307 great pages, but if you spring for the hardcover deluxe edition, you’ll also get “The Complete Alex Tavoularis Storyboards,” which are beautiful, “The Complete Ivor Beddoes Storyboards,” also invaluable, “Selected Joe Johnston Storyboards,” and “George Lucas Expands His Universe,” which may be the single most interesting chapter in the entire book. When the film started to make money, the demand for more STAR WARS was instantaneous. Alan Dean Foster, who ghost-wrote the novelization for the film, was contracted to write a sequel. Marvel was gearing up a comic book series. More merchandising deals were being set up every day. Lucas realized he needed to get all of his ideas for the rest of his universe down on paper, and to do so, he worked with Carol Titelman, his secretary, role-playing as different characters to establish back-story, much of which I’ve never heard anywhere. Keep in mind, all of this stuff was created in mid-to-late 1977, so these are his earliest thoughts. It is amazing what he held onto when eventually telling more stories himself and what he discarded. All told, you’re looking at fifty extra pages of material, all of which seems to me to be worth it. This is, simply put, the best way a STAR WARS fan can hope to celebrate the 30th anniversary of this film this May. Imagine... there’s still more to learn about this production. When I hear the moronic fanboy mantra, “George Lucas raped my childhood,” the reason it strikes me as such a ridiculous pose to strike is because it’s simply not true. George Lucas set out to make a film that would give children a chance to dream about something besides police dramas and sports figures. He looked around at the landscape of films being made at the time and realized that no one was creating the sort of escapist fare he’d grown up on, and he set out to do exactly that. George Lucas gave me my childhood, and no modern films can ever take that away from me or ruin those memories. Digging through this fantastic book, I found myself transported back to that summer, excited once again by the dream that these amazing artists and craftsmen all shared.


Drew McWeeny, Los Angeles

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  • April 25, 2007, 12:53 a.m. CST

    Nice book

    by jimmy_009

    I just may get it, even though I can't imagine the material hasn't been covered elsewhere.

  • April 25, 2007, 12:56 a.m. CST

    Jimmy...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... you'd be shocked how much of this has never been read anywhere. There's a reason these are called "the lost interviews."

  • April 25, 2007, 1:05 a.m. CST

    Hey, Drew!

    by Participle Snake

    I really liked Pro-Life! And holy crap, I just read on Imdb that you're writing the next Mortal Kombat movie. That's awesome. It's about damn this thing came out.

  • April 25, 2007, 1:07 a.m. CST

    Does actually sound like an amazing book.

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    But I'm so sick of the movie aspect of the franchise (video games are still good and I'm crossing my fingers on the tv shows since the clone wars eps were what Episode II should've been) that I don't know if I could ever buy anything related to it again... Even though it does really sound like a fascinating read.

  • April 25, 2007, 1:12 a.m. CST

    HOLY CRAP YOU'RE WRITING THE NEW MK MOVIE???

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    Good luck with that man. I actually really enjoyed the first movie and have that sucker on DVD. It's corny but has a lot of kick ass stuff in it. As for MK2, what a horrible clusterfuck. That was just god awful. Hope you look at the source material a little bit, as it actually has a good story, and I also hope you are able to find a super hot Sonya Blade, even though you don't have control of that.

  • April 25, 2007, 1:12 a.m. CST

    I'd like to find those "lost" interviews with lucas

    by TheNorthlander

    where he talks about Jar-Jar and Count Duckula in the 70's that he always claims are around. "Just read the old interviews with me from that era", right...

  • April 25, 2007, 1:14 a.m. CST

    IAmNicks and Participle Snake...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... any work I had to do on MK3 was finished in 2001/2002, and I haven't been involved since. I'm sure many hands have been on it in the intervening years. <P>Thanks for the kind words about PRO-LIFE, PS. I appreciate it.

  • April 25, 2007, 1:20 a.m. CST

    Mori!

    by dirtygoku

    C'mon Mori, give us a little taste of what you had in mind when you had your hands on MK3!!!

  • April 25, 2007, 1:23 a.m. CST

    Thanks for the insight moriarty

    by LeviDTinker

    after reading your great write up on it, i really want to go out and find the Deluxe issue. thanks again

  • April 25, 2007, 1:24 a.m. CST

    Thanks for posting something about this, Drew!

    by JackLucas

    I got my copy from Amazon this afternoon and it seems to be just what starwars.com promised that it would be. (For once.) The photographs alone are worth the price of the book. I had thought that at this point I must have seen every photo that LFL could have released but this thing has so many pics in it that I had never seen anywhere. So many great behinds the scenes shots. I am going to dig into it this weekend and I really can't wait. I agree that this is the perfect way to celebrate the 30th anniversary. A lot better than shelling out a couple grand to attend that hucksterfest known as Celebration IV. Anyway, thanks again for making a post on it as I think this book is a must own for any fan of the original trilogy.

  • April 25, 2007, 1:30 a.m. CST

    DirtyGoku...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... basically, take a look at DEADLY ALLIANCE. We wrote our script before that game happened, but there are a loooooot of similiarities in terms of which characters are used, how they're used, and who it focuses on. <P>Beyond that, I'm still under an NDA, so until the film's out and finished, I can't really say anything about our script.

  • April 25, 2007, 1:41 a.m. CST

    Going to buy it today

    by wadi77

    Thanks Mori for the review.

  • April 25, 2007, 1:49 a.m. CST

    You summed up my feelings exactly.

    by Cotton McKnight

    I have said this many, many times in talkbacks, but I was the absolute perfect age in 1977- 3 years old. I barely have any memories of that age but what I DO remember is the absolute excitement leading up to Star Wars. I remember seeing news reports of people lined up around the block, and while I didn't understand my first viewing, I was absolutely awestruck by what I saw. I am just so grateful to have had that experience, and it literally has affected my entire life. I think if I was older, I would have "understood" it.. it would have been more than shapes, colors, fantastic looking robots, spaceships, and fight scenes, etc. That's not necessarily a bad thing, but it's not quite the same as being exposed to something like that while you are just beginning to form memories.

  • April 25, 2007, 1:58 a.m. CST

    Once in a lifetime.....

    by mike over joel

    I have been a Star Wars fan since I was born, my birth a few days before the release, but I wonder how much the film has contributed. I just hear a lot of other people talk about their experiences and their lives since first viewing it but I cant imagine another film really speaking to a generation like that and because of that there will only be imitators and wanna-bes trying to match the original. I am an animator myself and am satisified with the fact that nothing I do or make will ever be held in the same regard.

  • April 25, 2007, 2:06 a.m. CST

    This is how awesome "Star Wars" was...

    by Captain Mal

    I was 3 years old in 1977. Too young to experience "Star Wars" in the theatre. Before TESB, however, I had all the action figures, and--having never seen the film, mind you--I remember spending hours on my bedroom floor, playing what I *thought* Star Wars must be. I remember driving past the drive-in theatre several times a week, seeing snippets of TESB up there on that massive screen, and I *begged* my parents to take me to it. <p> Eventually they relented, and they took me to TESB. Having never seen Darth Vader anywhere except in my sweaty little palm, I was terrified of his appearance onscreen, but it was the wampa that freaked me out. I screamed and literally ran from the theatre. My parents found me in the lobby, terrified beyond belief, and they had to take me home. I remember my mom was pissed as hell--she'd waited 3 years to see this film, and she had to leave early because her scared-ass son couldn't take it.<p> The first SW film I saw in the theatre (in its entirety) was ROTJ. By the that time I'd seen the first and second film on tv, and the action figures finally had voices for me. I saw it at the Indian Hills, a magnficent theatre that was turned into a parking lot (several documentaries were made about the demise of the Indian Hills--fucking fuckers at Methodist Hospital will fucking rot in fucking hell). I remember my dad telling me about the wonder of "surround sound" before we went to ROTJ, and I have a vivid memory of hearing Luke's lightsaber in my *right ear* as he tossed it aside in the final battle.<p> Anyway, thanks, Mori, for evoking all these memories. As atrocious as the prequels were, there is no denying that the OT was a historic series of films that fundamentally fucking affected the children of my generation. As much as I love LOTR (and I *do*), I am disappointed that my children wiil never experience such a life-changing series of films. The impact that SW had has not yet been duplicated, and I doubt it ever will.

  • April 25, 2007, 2:14 a.m. CST

    Thanks!

    by dirtygoku

    I understand what you mean. Btw, great insight on this Star Wars book. I'm going to go and buy it now.

  • April 25, 2007, 2:44 a.m. CST

    Captain Panaka

    by BNITT

    So I really want to know the think tank behind the epic character of Captain Panaka. Lucas, please do tell...

  • April 25, 2007, 3:08 a.m. CST

    Finally, something to spend those book tokens on

    by Lone Fox

    If we're reminiscing... I was 4 in '77, Star Wars was the first movie I ever saw on the big screen. Flipping through old British SW annuals, you can find some rare interviews, but they're never enough. Well, I'm off to the bookstore

  • April 25, 2007, 3:13 a.m. CST

    Man...

    by kwisatzhaderach

    I love Star Wars.

  • April 25, 2007, 3:20 a.m. CST

    The Movies didn't get old.....I did

    by ilander66

    The whole 'George Lucas raped my childhood' thing is a valid point in my opinion. sure by the sounds of it this book evokes many great memories of the period and the authenticity of interviews etc done 'in the moment' before star wars became star wars makes it unique, incredible and downright amazing that this film came out of the Hollywood system the way that it did. I loved star wars I grew up with it, it was a massive part of my childhood. But look at what it has become, in the same way any pivotal part of our culture has been dissected re-imagined and re-marketed it has lost so much (and yes I do mean the prequel trilogy) and gained so little. I teach films studies to college students and the cannot stand star wars and the bland money machine it has become and unfortunatly at the moment its in danger of that becoming its legacy.

  • April 25, 2007, 3:26 a.m. CST

    Great review

    by alfiemoon

    Great review Mori, you're putting this site to shame with some very well-written and enjoyable features lately! Like many, I've found that the shine has come off Star Wars over the last decade or so, but this book seems like it has a lot of interesting new material for the Star Wars hardcore, and would be worth a look even for casual fans. It sounds like this book has a lot to offer way beyond most "making of" tie-in books.

  • April 25, 2007, 3:28 a.m. CST

    I was born few weeks after Star Wars

    by wadi77

    So yes, when Lucasfilm celebrates the 30th anniversary with this book, so will I.

  • April 25, 2007, 3:41 a.m. CST

    My God, thirty years! Man was 1977 magical.

    by Lezbo Milk

    I get goose pimples just thinking about it. My buddy and I were going to the movies for my ninth birthday, and Hooper was sold out, so we had to see this movie we had never heard of...Star Wars. Well...need I say more? In a way I'm kinda sad, I don't see anything like Star Wars ever happening again. Don't get me wrong, there will be great films (better films), blockbusters, big summer event movies, but I just don't think there will be another Star Wars. We live in a different era, a more jaded era where movie goers are much harder to impress. A time when SFX is no big deal, and even though something may be original, I can't imagine anything having quite the same effect on the movie going public as Star Wars did. I don't want to sound like a snob by saying "you had to be there" to understand, but I think you really did have to be there, and experience first hand, the wonder and grandure of it all. That whole summer was really quite something. Then when word hit that there would be another movie...pandemonium! I clearly recall frequenting the Tom Thumb by my house until they finally got the Starlog magazine with the first production picture I saw from TESB...wow! It was a great time to be alive and a great time to be a kid and a great time to be a fan of movies. It makes me kind of sad to think that todays kids probably won't ever feel like that about a film, or experience the birth of a phenomina like Star Wars. I'm glad I was around for it...nothing thats happened since then (a few bad prequels and some Ewoks) can change that wonderful time.

  • April 25, 2007, 3:42 a.m. CST

    Ilander...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... then I'd argue that he raped your adulthood. Of course, I think that's silly, too, since no one forced you to watch anything. I think the worst anyone can say without resorting to fanboy hyperbole is "George Lucas disappointed me based on the expectations I had." When people say that he raped their childhood, it just seems to me that they're allowing the cynical eyes of an adult to ruin their own memories. And Lucas has nothing to do with that.

  • April 25, 2007, 3:55 a.m. CST

    Great book

    by George Peppard

    for a great movie. Please just give it the Criterion type treatment, George. Please. It won't hurt, baby I promise. Have a drink of this wine cooler, it'll loosen you up. Let me see those Interpositives, come on. Don't be so stuck up.

  • April 25, 2007, 3:57 a.m. CST

    Hear hear Mori.

    by raw_bean

    Personally I find great pleasure in interpreting the prequels through the innocent eyes of my childhood (conversely to what you suggest ilander does), and that way I enjoy them mightily, flawed as they are. If on the other hand I actually engage my critical faculties, none of them (including the other original trilogy episodes) match up to the awesomeness of Empire, to my mind.<p>Book sounds awesome, I guess I'll have to pick it up. :^)

  • April 25, 2007, 4:02 a.m. CST

    Drew, geat review!

    by Charlie & Tex

    We were four years old when we first saw Star Wars - it took quite a while for it to make it over to the UK. Star Wars the the film that began our life-long love affair with movies. In the intervening time, we have poured our love of cinema into writing, and garnered paudits for our movie reviews, and we have been fortunate enough to have made it into movies, too, Shaun of The Dead & Hot Fuzz being the main ones. Though the prequels are the prequels (we're trying to be diplomatic here, but Ep III was pretty good, actually!), certainly Star Wars & Empire Strikes Back will always have a special place in our hearts. We'll certainly be picking up this mighty tome. Cheers!

  • April 25, 2007, 4:12 a.m. CST

    Lezbo Milk

    by Horace Cox

    I hope you eventually went back to see HOOPER too. "This looks like a job for golden helmet!" Ahhh, the gold old days when Burt Reynolds was a real man and not a Liza Minelli burn victim lookalike.

  • April 25, 2007, 4:14 a.m. CST

    George Lucas disappointed me based on the expectations

    by ilander66

    Yes I agree, i think thats much more of a fair comment. The one thing that makes me visit this site everyday is the opinions of the people that write for it. Yeah sometimes Harry goes a bit over the top with a review but he and the rest of you have SO much passion for what you do that you can 'switch off' the film critic side and be a young kid again, when needed. like I said the movies didn't get old I did and I regret that sometimes. Its very hard to watch any Star Wars without thinking about what has come since (I remember sitting in a Cinema thinking 'why has Han Solo got a whip and a hat'). Having said that I still see a lighsaber and want one, I still see the Falcon and its a spaceship not a model somethings never change....

  • April 25, 2007, 4:18 a.m. CST

    Indeed, Lucas lucked out with those three...

    by WONKABAR

    the chemistry between Hamill, Fisher, and Ford was amazing. It's what really holds it all together. They're all totally sincere yet still having fun with the material. That was the main thing that was somewhat lacking in the prequels imo. Btw I can understand SW being 30 (it almost seems older) what I can't believe is Dirty Dancing being 20...htf did that happen?

  • April 25, 2007, 4:24 a.m. CST

    Jeezus Mori!

    by half vader

    You got the Sculpting thing for FREE? Faark! Have you seen how much that sucker costs? Lucky boy, yes I'm just jealous as I forked out. Worth it though. I've been waiting for the making of book for ages, and when my Amazon package arrives in a coupla days I'll be a happy man from the looks of things. <p> If I can weigh in on the "raped my childhood" thing (I was 7), I always thought it was because of Lucas' whole revisionist history thing where through removing the original versions from the public and substituting them with the special eds (and their inferior storytelling changes and digital work obscuring the achievement of the original ILM guys) he bastardised not only the films but 'altered' our memories, as we only had these altered versions to refer to (until the half-arsed 'bonus' last year). If your old vhs copies were unplayable anyway. Is the 'rape' thing hilariously over the top? Sure, but I know what they're getting at. <p> I reckon the only thing to touch the jaw-dropping effect of SW since 77 was when Jurassic Park came out in 93 (even though it was the first movie to have its ending bastardised because of CG). It didn't change popular culture, but people did freak about how amazing those dinos were.

  • April 25, 2007, 4:48 a.m. CST

    Someone get my keys and hand me some cash...

    by LordEnigma

    IM GOIN TO BORDERS! WOO TO THE HOO! Thanks for the review, Drew.

  • April 25, 2007, 4:50 a.m. CST

    That cover...

    by MaxTheSilent

    It represent the first and last time George Lucas ever spoke to an actor. Bung!!

  • April 25, 2007, 5:12 a.m. CST

    Yeah...

    by Redfive!

    Star Wars Revolutionized Movies and audiences today take for granted the 4-7 Big blockbusters each summer.Summers in the 70s must of sucked for movies and even looking back at 80s summers there were only 1 or 2 blockbusters back then also.

  • April 25, 2007, 5:30 a.m. CST

    George Lucas raped my postal service

    by BannedOnTheRun

    So now there are Ewan MacGregor and Yoda posters up all over the post office. "Be a Jedi Shipping Mailing Master?" Fuuuuuuuuuuck.

  • April 25, 2007, 5:44 a.m. CST

    Can't wait

    by Shawn F.

    This is arriving in the mail today from Amazon.com. This sounds awesome. Great review, Mori.

  • April 25, 2007, 7:26 a.m. CST

    Greatest movie theater experience ever

    by ATARI

    for me at least.<br> June of 1977 -- 9 year old farm boy -- watching this epic space drama unfold on the big screen for the first (of several times that summer).<br> That was the greatest, bestest movie going experience of my life, and I am glad I had it. Thank you Uncle George.<br>

  • April 25, 2007, 7:38 a.m. CST

    I was graduating from college in a few days...

    by Moonwatcher

    and went on opening night with a girl who was even more of a fanatic than I was. We sat thru it twice and went back several times after that. That experience will never be equaled again, hands down. By the way, anyone know what ever happened to Marcia Lucas since the big split in '83?

  • April 25, 2007, 8 a.m. CST

    The OT generation still lives on

    by colivo

    As much as I feel there is a niche fanbase of PT fans, it amazes me how much the OT fanbase who grew up with those movies still are pure diehards, and I feel when the PT generation grows up, they will probably move on to something else, cause they enjoy them, but don't love them like nothing else. The Original SW is my favorite movie of all-time, and the first day I saw it as a 5 year old in 1977, that has never changed. The movie has pure magic that just never gets old, the characters, the story, the music, the mythology, and the great ending of Luke blowing up the deathstar. What else can a kid ask for in a movie? Every movie I have liked in my life has gotten old to me at some point, and the replay value slowed down, but the OT movies just keep chugging along for me as I watch them countless times a year, and that is the difference between the PT movies, they are fun and still are quality movies, the PT are neither.

  • April 25, 2007, 8:02 a.m. CST

    Episodes I-III: How I Raped America's Children

    by uss cygnus

    That's going to be one hell of a read, won't it? Meesa suren think so!

  • April 25, 2007, 8:16 a.m. CST

    Nasty rumor

    by 5thBusiness

    Speaking of Marcia Lucas, I heard a rumor once that tries to make sense of why Lucas tried to bury the original versions for so long. Lucas and Marcia divorced in '83 and by all accounts it was very acrimonious. Aside from being editor, Marcia was intimately involved in the production of the first trilogy. Between that and the terms of the divorce, if he did any sort of major re-release of those versions, she would be entitled to a chunk of any future profits. But if they were altered, they were considered something new, and Marcia was entitled to nothing. My source claims that Lucas's refusal to re-release the original, non-special edition versions was simply a fuck you to his ex. Might not be true, but I like the story nonetheless.

  • April 25, 2007, 8:21 a.m. CST

    Awesome! Just ordered it from Amazon

    by Trazadone

    Terrific review.

  • April 25, 2007, 8:21 a.m. CST

    FREDDIE "BOOM BOOM" WASHINGTON SHOOTS FIRST !

    by Pound Sand

    Ah, what could've been.

  • April 25, 2007, 8:25 a.m. CST

    Sounds great!

    by Talkbacker with no name

    I'll be getting this. <p>But what say you, Emerald Boy, on the subject of Star Wars?

  • April 25, 2007, 8:33 a.m. CST

    My God, thirty years! Man was 1977 magical.

    by Stuntcock Mike

    Ah yes, Hooper. Burt at his best.

  • April 25, 2007, 8:36 a.m. CST

    Another good name for Gen-X: the OT generation

    by durhay

    nm

  • April 25, 2007, 8:38 a.m. CST

    I remember

    by Stuntcock Mike

    being 9 years old with my parents at the drive-in and seeing a strange trailer for some movie called Star Wars. A year later me and my Sister had seen it over 50 times. The ultimate babysitter, Mom would just give us dough and drop us off at the theater for 4 hours(we'd watch it twice). It's all been downhill since.

  • April 25, 2007, 8:40 a.m. CST

    I saw it at a drive in in 77 at age 3

    by MJAYACE

    First tangible memory of anything really. Probably why it still remains such a great part of our generation's lives. However, I am not a PT hater, I just recognize that I saw the originals through the eyes of a child, something that can never be replicated. Hell, the BEST movies of the last 15 years haven't impacted the overall course of my life near as much--even though many had better/plots/dialogue and acting. Even looking back, Empire is a far better constructed film, but even then I was a little older. All we can hope is that our children have things like SW that they remember and say 25 years from now, "I remember seeing _______ with my Dad and Mom....". Will have to check out this book.

  • April 25, 2007, 9:12 a.m. CST

    Lucas should have never changed the OT movies

    by colivo

    I still contend there wouldn't be as widespread hate for the PT, if Lucas would have left the OT alone. By changing the OT movies with stupid shit like Greedo shoots first, and Stalker Hayden in ROTJ Ghost Scene now, Lucas has given many OT fans a reason not to even consider the PT as canon, cause they can say they are an OOT fan, not a SE saga fan. The more and more Lucas tried to tie the saga by changing the OT to fit the PT, the more fans he alienated. He should have listened when she told Tarkin, "The more you tighten your grip, the more fans will slip through your fingers!"

  • April 25, 2007, 9:13 a.m. CST

    5thBusiness

    by Boromir187

    I don't think the divorce deal was that specific. I had always been under the impression that she was awarded a chunk of his income for a 15 year span after the divorce. They divorced in 1983, which means the money train would have stopped for her in 1998. The Phantom Menace came out in 1999. Coincidence? I THINK NOT! Way to go, George!

  • April 25, 2007, 9:34 a.m. CST

    George Lucas Saved my Childhood

    by JacksParasites

    No other work of art in any medium has had as much of an impact on my values, my beliefs, and my identity as Star Wars. So you'll never hear a negative word from me about Lucas. And I think after some were disappointed by TPM, I think people went into the last two films already determined to hate them. It's the only way I can understand the hatred of AOTC & ROTS. I know that was the case the friend I first saw Sith with. I could tell before we got to the theater that he was determined to hate the film. And like Yoda's cave, he brought what he took with him and hated it, while I brought my positive expectations to it and have considered Sith to possibly be the best in the entire saga.

  • April 25, 2007, 9:37 a.m. CST

    Raped your childhood?

    by Evil_Imp

    ...You can't rape the willing. stop standing in line for the stuff then. Don't buy the book cause Lucas may sneak up behind you and rape you again! lol We all have choices. George can't take that from you.

  • April 25, 2007, 9:41 a.m. CST

    Jar Jar in Cabonite

    by ilander66

    for all those who hate Jar Jar take a look at the slide show on the BBC website, picture 7 shows our favorite horse faced wing eared accident prone 'character' getting a taste of the old carbonite. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_pictures/6588883.stm

  • April 25, 2007, 10:10 a.m. CST

    No, really. Get this book.

    by Scorpio

    To echo what Mori said, you will be really stunned within the first few pages how much of this "Making of.." story is new and previously untold. I got the HB version yesterday and thought I'd just casually page through it and put it on the shelf, but found myself instead reading every word. I really went into this thinking I'd probably read or heard pretty much everything about the process, but I was *wrong*! And it's a VERY compelling "Making of.." story that just happens to be about Star Wars. Most of the material is based on interviews that took place prior to the May 1977 release of the film, and you can tell that these guys had no idea what was to come (but, boy, you'll find yourself really impressed by Lucas, his agent and his lawyers who set the deal up so well to ensure we got the film we got). Another great part of the book is a detailed look at the initial treatments and drafts (REALLY foreign versions of the story and universe!!), and Rinzler does a great job emphasizing and listing the elements that remained or influenced the final version. Artwork and photos throughout are wonderful... again, I thought I'd seen it all by now, but someone's been holding back! Best of all, the book and Jackson's forward did a wonderful job of taking this 41 year old back to '76 and early '77, when I was 11 years old, hearing the rumblings of this oncoming storm, and dying with anticipation to see if it was all I'd hoped it would be. Great review, Mori. To be honest, the base is so jaded these days (right or wrong) that I thought this gem of a book was going to be overlooked by most. There is no better way to spend the next few weeks leading up to "30" than to relive the time and learn so much more than we thought we knew. THANK YOU J.W. RINZLER!!! Signed, Ima Plant (haha, j/k)

  • April 25, 2007, 10:44 a.m. CST

    george lucas MADE my childhood!

    by LegoKenobi

    seriously. i was 10 when the first movie came out, and it totally changed my world. i've never been the same since, and i couldn't be happier about that. i can't imagine my childhood without star wars, empire, and (yes) jedi. thanks uncle george. you've made some grievous mistakes since then, but i'll always have the memories of the first time i saw a lightsaber, saw kenobi go down, and heard vader tell luke he was his father.

  • April 25, 2007, 11:06 a.m. CST

    This book IS Star Wars --

    by VaderSabre

    For a 30th anniversary surprise, open the book and it'll evoke the summer of '77. Thanks for the awesome review, Mori. I received mine the other day before I saw the 30th screening on Wilshire -- and hearing the panelists afterwards before coming home to dip into the book -- talk about euphoria. And ilander...you sound like a curmudgeon of a teacher -- the cultural ramifications aren't the piece of work itself.

  • April 25, 2007, 11:27 a.m. CST

    It's the Falcon...

    by Billyeveryteen

    Yes Ford, Fisher, and Hammel are awesome, but it's the Falcon that holds it all together. Can't blow up the DS without it. The asteroid chase, is the second greatest moment, in the greatest Star Wars. Escaping the DS2, is the biggest thrill of that turd sandwich<p>The PT sadly, lacks any of that fun.

  • April 25, 2007, 11:39 a.m. CST

    I saw Star Wars in a drive in w/ My Bodyguard

    by kinghenryVIII

    when I was 7. Butcha know what?!?!?! Even then, 2 years later when Raiders came out, I knew Star Wars was fair - at best. Now Empire .... that's a movie. Though once I had the VHS I would stop the movie after han was frozen. I never did like Luke much - friggin pussy. Raiders. Now that defined my childhood.

  • April 25, 2007, 11:42 a.m. CST

    The PT should have been made to be watched after the OT

    by colivo

    I still think Lucas's biggest mistake was trying to make the PT now be watched before the OT, instead of vice versa. It shouldn't be one saga, it should be two trilogies that are different in everyway, yet tie together in the end. 'The Tragedy of Darth Vader', as Lucas calls it now, when watched 1-6 ruins so many great plot point in the OT. The PT should have been one big flashback with Luke Skywalker narrating it to his kid 20 years after ROTJ, so the different visuals could be taken as that, rather then this jarring change from Episode III to IV as it stands now.

  • April 25, 2007, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Snaggletooh had a hump!

    by Boba Fat

    Who knew?

  • April 25, 2007, 12:21 p.m. CST

    kinghenryVIII

    by stabbim

    Wow, you had a bodyguard at the age of seven? Z!

  • April 25, 2007, 12:37 p.m. CST

    ATTN: MY STAR WARS FAN FILM

    by bubcus

    I agree, Star Wars made my childhood. My parents took me to the drive-in when I was four years old and I remember being completely awestruck, blown away by the opening shot, the stormtroopers, the x-wing battle, and sang the theme song all the way home. AS SUCH, decades later, I listened to the radio dramas and was inspired to put together this quickly animated short film. (Those of you from mania.com would know me as Browbeat). This is a rough draft, please keep that in mind. ENJOY... <BR><BR> http://www.bennettanimation.com/robert/TESB_002.html

  • April 25, 2007, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Childhood Rapers!

    by Dr Dischord

    I think there's a certain degree to which no filmmaker can control his work, and that degree has to do with the economic/cultural context in which its produced. Compare Star Wars, an 'indie' movie with a visionary writer/director in the age of visionary writer/directors, with the prequels, inflated, dumbed down, rushed out eyeball candy in an age of inflated, dumbed down, rushed out eyeball candy. The contemporary context of studio filmmaking lowered the expectations of Lucas and Co., plus the expectations of fanboys worldwide were unrealistically high, and the movies were doomed from the start.

  • April 25, 2007, 1:02 p.m. CST

    "never seen Darth Vader anywhere...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...except in my sweaty little palm".... Captain Mal, that was just way too much information.

  • April 25, 2007, 1:11 p.m. CST

    I Went In Hopeful to AOTC & Apathetic to ROTS...

    by uss cygnus

    TPM was such a bizarre disaster, I thought Luca$ may have just choked under the pressure like ST:TMP did. So, I looked at AOTC and thought they would have learned from the mistakes of TPM, and instead, it was actually just as bad or WORSE, which was pretty much the last straw. ROTS lost me in the first half hour with the "Fun with R2D2 and the elevator" skit. The fact of the matter is that Anakin turned to the dark side and cast the Force into darkness over a woman. A WOMAN. Luca$ couldn't write a reason for Anakin's fall that would have had depth and meaning, like the Jedi Order becoming afraid of Anakin, seeing his powers growing beyond their control, and ordering him either controlled, and if unable to be controlled, and also for finding out he was spying for Palpatine. The Jedi attempt to kill him, he is given the scene where he kills those Jedi sent to arrest him, and Palpatine takes out Windu one on one, they band together, Anakin is knighted as Vader and Order 66 is carried out. But Luca$ doesn't have that type of courage or conviction any more. Perhaps he never did. But in the end "I HATE YOU!!" and "Noooooooooooooo!!" were the final nails in the coffin.

  • April 25, 2007, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Held on to my

    by skimn

    double issue of Cinefantastique "Making Of Star Wars" for too long..Sounds like this will have to replace it.

  • April 25, 2007, 1:21 p.m. CST

    I'd rather just watch the movie again

    by Rupee88

    The Wizard is more impressive without spending so much time behind the curatain.

  • April 25, 2007, 1:22 p.m. CST

    And Lucas got lucky with Star Wars

    by Rupee88

    Ok, I give him some credit, but he made six Star Wars movies and the last five sucked, so that says a lot about his talent.

  • April 25, 2007, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Very Messy Messi

    by ilander66

    The ahem 'point' you make about my students being 'fucking idiots' totally proves and backs up my arguement. many kids HATE star wars. why? because they are 16+ and grew up with the prequel trilogy, star wars to most of them is total 'MEH' they don't bother looking any further back at original trilogy as for them star wars is badly acted badly filmed over cgi'd rubbish. some of the better students (who actually have an interest in film) know that there is good stuff out there in the world of star wars and other places. but where as for most of us it was a cultural touchstone that permeated every facet of our lives they would rather take pictures of themselves looking petulant and stick them on myspace.

  • April 25, 2007, 1:24 p.m. CST

    I love Star Wars!!!

    by GravyAkira

    Im not afraid to admit it. Hell, I really didnt even feel like posting anything, but my pure admoration for this series compelled me to. My favorites in the series in order: Empire, A New Hope, Revenge of the Sith, Phantom Menace, Jedi, and that piece of shit Clones movie. Here's some Star Wars geek advice to help enjoy the series better: Watch the films in this order: Episodes 4,5,1,2,3,6. It works. Im telling you it works! Thanks Robogeek!

  • April 25, 2007, 1:24 p.m. CST

    JacksP: The animus for ROTS floors me

    by deathbird

    I won't defend AOTC, as it exhibits all the flaws ascribed to its unfairly maligned antecedent, but the fact that ROTS hasn't supplanted ROTJ in the "Holy Trilogy" model is proof that talkbackers were going to eviscerate this film regardless of its quality. Interesting that a good many critics fancied SITH the best SW film since EMPIRE--its second half perhaps Lucas's finest hour as a filmmaker--yet supposed genre fans are still crying rape.

  • April 25, 2007, 1:41 p.m. CST

    ROTS IS OVERRATED!!!!!!!

    by colivo

    ROTJ is not a great film, only SW & ESB are the true classics of the series, but please don't tell me ROTS is a great film, cause it isn't. ROTS is a series of images that everyone wanted to see since 1983. The turn is ridiculous, Padme losing the will to live is laughable, the duel is boring, and Vader saying 'NOOOO!" shows that Lucas can't even make Darth Vader cool in the PT! The movie is a series of cuts & edits, and no scene is fully developed, as Lucas ran out of time in this movie and did his greatest hits checklist: The turn, check, order 66, check, the duel, check, Luke/Leia born, check, Vader being built, check, Force ghost issue with one line, check, Yoda & Kenobi in exile, check, Leia being brought to Alderran, check, Luke being brought to Tatooine, check. The End. Come on now, this isn't a movie this is a greatest hits album you buy of a rock band after 20 years so you don't have can listen to all the songs in your car without changing CD's.

  • April 25, 2007, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Amazon's got the hardcover cheap

    by rev_skarekroe

    Well, cheaper. About $45 as opposed to $75. Add the $25 coupon thing I've got, and I'm getting this bad boy for a hell of a bargain!

  • April 25, 2007, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Hear, Hear, Colivo...

    by uss cygnus

    You're spot on. The turn, Order 66, Padme losing the will to live, "Nooooooo!!", Force ghosts explained in one line...all mortal and completely unforgivable sins. As I said before, one of my big pet peeves is that Jedi have demonstrated a "Spidey Sense" of anticipating attacks as Yoda shows, yet Windu and THREE other Sitting Jedi Council Members, and all the experienced Jedi in the field can't see Palpatine's or the order 66 clone attacks coming? It's absolutely laughable and a bit insulting.

  • April 25, 2007, 2:53 p.m. CST

    Colivo

    by deathbird

    1. The turn wasn't at all ridiculous, considering the confluence of catalysts: the cult of personality; the moral failings of the Jedi Order; Anakin's utopianism; the Freudian underpinnings. Hell, I would have turned too. (And as ROTJ suggests, there's a point of no return once you succumb to the Dark Side, which explains why he could waste the kiddies.) 2. Padme didn't lose the will to live; she died with her husband. (Hence the emphasis on symbiosis.) Take space opera for what it is. 3. The Duel left something to be desired, but the battle in the Senate is among the five god-damned greatest scenes in the saga. Apocalyptical. 4. Seeing as how Vader was intended to be pitiable, I've no problem with it. 5. I thought the second act was considerably textured for a SW flick, likened by one critic to "office politics on a Wagnerian scale."

  • April 25, 2007, 4:11 p.m. CST

    I'm totally getting this book.

    by Flim Springfield

    <b>

  • April 25, 2007, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Obi Wan is still...

    by Childe Roland

    ...the most Evil Motherfucker in the History of Film. I will stand by that analysis until my dying day, at which point I've no doubt the ghosts of Guinness and MacGregor will materialize at the foot of my death bed with a spectral ball gag and gimp mask to punish me for revealing the character's true nature.<p>And Mori, just because someone gave you something wonderful once doesn't mean they can't irrevocably fuck it up later. Witness the myriad children abused by the very parents who gave them life.

  • April 25, 2007, 5 p.m. CST

    Show us CHEWBACCA'S HAIRY TAINT!

    by Dorothys Taint Again

    *COUGH* hairball

  • April 25, 2007, 5:02 p.m. CST

    LUCAS HAS A BEER AND CHEETS ON SW FRANCHISE

    by Dorothys Taint Again

    Witness the conception of the prequel trilogy!

  • April 25, 2007, 5:25 p.m. CST

    Childe...

    by drew mcweeny

    ... I still think it's patently absurd to compare the production of a less-than-satisfying trilogy of children's fantasy films to actual molestation. That's where the hyperbole really doesn't work for me. <P>Besides, I'm perfectly capable of just watching the movies from the saga I like and ignoring the rest. Problem solved. Childhood's hymen intact.

  • April 25, 2007, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Robot Chicken SW Spoof?

    by finky089

    http://tinyurl.com/24je8t seriously.

  • April 25, 2007, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Mori, will you ever have your childhood cherry popped?

    by finky089

    Or will you be able to remain forever celibate? Perhaps you're just "saving yourself" for that one special film experience? <p> "Childhood raping" = overdramtic disappointment for the emotionall immature ...although coming from a guy who refers to the transformers movie as "TINO", maybe that doesn't hold alot of water...

  • April 25, 2007, 5:53 p.m. CST

    this isn't hyperbole, George Lucas actually molested me

    by newc0253

    nah, i'm kidding. like a lot of people, there were things about the prequels i found disappointing. but they were still star wars movies. and, for all the faults of the prequels, ROTS deserves to be ranked higher than ROTJ. because nothing in ROTS is as bad as those fucking ewoks.

  • April 25, 2007, 6 p.m. CST

    I still love SW.

    by Rakafraker

    I think that the prequels were great for the nostalgia factor, but failed in reinvigorating the same feeling that the OT (yes, incl. Jedi) gave us. Whether it was from being an adult now or just being jaded (or a bit from each catagory). <p>I truly believe that Lucas has learned his lesson and the new batch of SW stuff coming out is going to kick serious butt (esp. the Live-Action TV series) and everyone will forgive (not forget, albeit) the folly of the PT.

  • April 25, 2007, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Star Wars remains the best proof

    by The Decider

    That we are all very, very stupid.

  • April 25, 2007, 8:02 p.m. CST

    wow, The Decider..

    by Cotton McKnight

    it must really, really, REALLY suck to be you.

  • April 25, 2007, 8:40 p.m. CST

    SK229 nice post

    by finky089

    "When Jedi doesn't work, it doesn't work, but when it does, bullshit doesn't pop up in the middle of a great scene and ruin it." <p> so dead on, as well as many of your other points.

  • April 25, 2007, 8:41 p.m. CST

    Re: The 'Sculpting SW' book...

    by NNNOOO!!!

    Mori, check out your old copy of the "Star Wars Sketchbook". Those aren't pieces of the Millennium Falcon-- they're Death Star surface panels.<p>And there's a thirty-year-old part of my brain that knew that without looking it up. So sad...

  • April 25, 2007, 9:31 p.m. CST

    One way to make ROTJ better!

    by Phillyflopper

    Add some fuckin' B-Wing Fighters to the final Death Star II attack. I mean, where the hell did they go? I remembered hearing some bits about B-Wings being able to take out large ships. So come on Mr. Lucas, add some more of this. But no Gungan pilots.

  • April 25, 2007, 9:38 p.m. CST

    HARRISON FORD SMASH!!!

    by THEE Miracleman

    Yikes! He must be playing the grey HULK!

  • April 25, 2007, 9:39 p.m. CST

    JACK KIRBY.....Jack Kirby...Jack Kirby....JACK KIRBY

    by CarmillaVonDoom

    ...Death Star? APOKOLYPS...The 'Force'?...THE SOURCE...Luke/Vader?...ORION/DARKSEID... ......NUFF SAID...!

  • April 25, 2007, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Oh Yeah...Star Wars 1977...NEW GODS February 1971

    by CarmillaVonDoom

    ;^)

  • April 25, 2007, 10:08 p.m. CST

    DIEHARD FAN

    by TiNSeLToWN TeRRoR

    Hi, my name is Steve and i'm a STARWARS-AHOLIC.haha! Starwars has created the movie fantic in me to this day and for the rest of my life. I love all types of film. Now i was 9 years old when "E-IV" came out! Lost count after 30 times seeing a new hope in 1977/78. I was in AWE every step of the way on 4-5-6! And i remember seeing in the opening crawl....."episode IV" and think 4? were is 1,2,3? Then "V" , then "VI" and hearing about it being a 9 movie EPIC! And i would dream, hope and pray that the other movies would come to be. And so far so good! Granted the "I-II-III" had some bad moments but over all I WAS IN AWE...AGAIN! I love them as much as 4,5 and 6! And i hope for VII-VIII-IX to be made! I love all the stuff that goes with it, comics, cartoon, books, games, toys, tv.....EVERYTHING! THANKS AGAIN GEORGE LUCAS. Oh yeah love that book and it is on the way. CAN'T WAIT!!!

  • April 25, 2007, 10:17 p.m. CST

    I wonder when geekboys are going to stop using rape

    by Bronx Cheer

    as a joke line in their tirades against George Lucas. That's really terrific stuff.

  • April 25, 2007, 10:24 p.m. CST

    I was almost 16 when I saw it at the drive-in

    by Bronx Cheer

    and I could not believe it. It was so absolutely different from EVERYTHING. And I remember buying a Super 8 reel of highlights from the movie, from where I don't remember, and I watched that sucker about 400 times. Dissecting Dykstra's work, Williams' score washing over me, enveloping me with pure romance and heroics, and then there were the Laurel and Hardy of Space. C3PO was Chaplin, Stan Laurel, and my fourth grade teacher. R2D2 was that little imp that resides in us all. And seeing all of those Japanese touches, from Vader's helmet to the Jedi/Samurai...wow, it all comes back, and it never got old.

  • April 25, 2007, 10:24 p.m. CST

    I was almost 16 when I saw it at the drive-in

    by Bronx Cheer

    and I could not believe it. It was so absolutely different from EVERYTHING. And I remember buying a Super 8 reel of highlights from the movie, from where I don't remember, and I watched that sucker about 400 times. Dissecting Dykstra's work, Williams' score washing over me, enveloping me with pure romance and heroics, and then there were the Laurel and Hardy of Space. C3PO was Chaplin, Stan Laurel, and my fourth grade teacher. R2D2 was that little imp that resides in us all. And seeing all of those Japanese touches, from Vader's helmet to the Jedi/Samurai...wow, it all comes back, and it never got old.

  • April 25, 2007, 11:12 p.m. CST

    Does Lucas finally give credit to Frank Herbert?

    by Gorrister

    Funny how Lucas' account of the 'making' of Star Wars changes every decade or so. Oh well. I'm still waiting for the ORIGINAL "The Making of Star Wars" to make it to DVD. Hell, I'll even take VHS at this point. That film had interviews and footage that I have never seen anywhere else. Of course, some of what Lucas says in that film conflicts with what he claims these days....so it'll probably never see the light of day again.

  • April 25, 2007, 11:20 p.m. CST

    "Sith" was adequate

    by Gorrister

    Sith is only good when compared to TPM and AOTC. But Sith was a very, VERY sloppy piece of writing. Lucas dragged his ass during the first two films and had to cram in a lot of crap in the last movie. And he utterly failed to wrap the lose ends. Like what the hell was the connection with Sifu-Dyas? When, how and why did Qui-Gon manage to acheive immortality? Why did Anakin not care when he learned Palpatine lied about being able to save Padme? And as for Vader turning to the Dark Side because he was passed over for a promotion????? Lucas is a great "Idea Man", but he doesn't know shit about writing a story. LOL

  • April 25, 2007, 11:40 p.m. CST

    Full Armor against a Hot Fudge Sundae

    by Lobanhaki

    That was Kurt Vonnegut's line about the pointlessness of critics getting angry and outraged about a book or a movie. Lucas seems to me, for some of his mediocre choices, to have worked very hard on doing something most filmmakers never do: create a truly unique fantasy or sci-fi vision. His dialogue may not always be splendiferous, and some of the acting might be balsa wood brittle, but then again if you want perfect films, you shouldn't even show up. If you look hard enough, all illusions on screen can be pierced and picked apart. The real question is, do you go to the theater to have an experience, or to get a fix?

  • April 26, 2007, 12:34 a.m. CST

    They'll be back before you can spit!

    by Captain Mal

    Well, not that you... spit....

  • April 26, 2007, 4:03 a.m. CST

    credit to Frank Herbert?

    by newc0253

    for what? the idea of a desert planet? the setting of a galactic empire? the concept of mystical powers? sandpeople? yeah, Herbert really owns those things. While i've no doubt Lucas read Dune and was influenced about it, it's only one in a gazillion influences that folk have been describing since 1977.

  • April 26, 2007, 4:38 a.m. CST

    30th Anniversary?

    by mooli

    Too soon!

  • April 26, 2007, 4:53 a.m. CST

    the star wars..

    by nolan bautista

    ..is a good movie..

  • April 26, 2007, 5:17 a.m. CST

    Treat Williams in Substitute II: School's Out...

    by IG76

    Why as a STAR WARS GEEK (My film was I saw Empire in 1980) can I enjoy the above film more than the three prequels. STAR WARS could have been taken to the next level...instead they dumbed it down with Fart and Shit Jokes and worst of all that C3P0 sequence in Episode II.

  • April 26, 2007, 6 a.m. CST

    A very well written article

    by Razorback

    Maybe someone needs to write for a site not frequented by 7 year olds. They might then appreciate the quality of this write-up.

  • April 26, 2007, 6:20 a.m. CST

    @half vader

    by UltraMeerkat

    Quote: "I reckon the only thing to touch the jaw-dropping effect of SW since 77 was when Jurassic Park came out in 93 (even though it was the first movie to have its ending bastardised because of CG)." What exactly do you mean by that? Do you even know what your talking about?

  • April 26, 2007, 7:56 a.m. CST

    Why is everyone psychoanalyzed for not liking the PT?

    by colivo

    The PT movies are the only set of movies that I keep hearing reasons why OT fans don't like it. Why can't PT fans accept that many of us here feel they are just not great movies. I am not saying they aren't entertaining in more of a popcorn summer blockbuster style, but those movies are all guilty pleasures but forgotten years later. The fact is that quality always stands the test of time, and that is why years later The Original SW, ESB, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Back to the Future, The Terminator, Superman: The Movie have all held up well. I don't see anyone saying to Superman fans, "Superman IV is a great movie, and you were just too old by 1987 to fall in love with it the same way you did in 1978." No, Superman III & IV sucked because..........they are bad movies! Movie are movies, and the PT doesn't get a pass because we are older, I loved the LOTR movies, and I was not a kid in 2001-2003. I don't begrudge anyone for loving the PT, cause to each his own, but this constant 'you don't get it' about what we are missing about the PT is getting old, and the sad fact that TPM has been out now for 8 years and hasn't gotten better shows that quality always rules in the end.

  • April 26, 2007, 8:29 a.m. CST

    At least SUPERMAN IV had a plot.....Kasdan is STAR WARS

    by IG76

    I don't give a shit what you fanboys and geeks say... Chris Reeve was "the man", Routh tried hard but was way too young to be cast in that thing. Don't even get me started on Bosworth!!!!

  • April 26, 2007, 9 a.m. CST

    Moriarty

    by Darth Busey

    Still hoping GL re-visits the SW universe yet again, my friend.

  • April 26, 2007, 9:32 a.m. CST

    I find it hilarious

    by kwisatzhaderach

    that some fans are still banging on about TPM. I was bitterly disappointed when I saw it as everybody was but I quite enjoy it now, it's a fun sci-fi/fantasy adventure film. Nothing was ever going to be as good as Star Wars, the original film came about as much by accident as design. For the record i'd rate them, best to worst: 1. Star Wars 2. The Empire Strikes Back 3. Attack of the Clones 4. Return of the Jedi 5. The Phantom Menace 6. Revenge of the Sith

  • April 26, 2007, 9:37 a.m. CST

    The Red Book (Sculpting A Galaxy)

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    costs breathtaking 400 quid -- and you received it AS A GIFT??? WTF?!?!?!? I guess I know the wrong people...

  • April 26, 2007, 10:14 a.m. CST

    Fuck Star Wars - Raiders! Empire was THE ONLY

    by kinghenryVIII

    good movie in all that shit!

  • April 26, 2007, 11:17 a.m. CST

    TiNSeLToWN TeRRoR

    by one9deuce

    You were nine when Star Wars was released? Your writing style makes you seem like you're nine now. <p> And STAR WARS didn't have EPISODE IV on it when it was released, so you're an idiot AND a liar.

  • April 26, 2007, 11:29 a.m. CST

    30 years ago my father too me to the movies.

    by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz

    And everything changed from that moment. We went to Security Square Mall to see Star Wars in 1977. I had nightmares about Vader for days but still wanted to see the movie again. Can't believe it's been that long. Time does fly.

  • April 26, 2007, 11:35 a.m. CST

    "Took me" --- TB's need an edit button.

    by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz

    please.

  • April 26, 2007, 11:36 a.m. CST

    When Jar-Jar arrived...

    by Billyeveryteen

    All hope was lost.

  • April 26, 2007, 12:10 p.m. CST

    Messi - your ROTJ question

    by Caped Revenger2

    Messi - In all nerdiness, I actually wrote an outline as a "rewrite" for ROTJ. But it's so detailed and long that I really can't post it. But it does involve the following: Luke turning to the Dark Side and "defeating it," proving to himself first that it is possible to convert back; Luke and Leia not being brother and sister; Luke realizing that the Jedi brought on their own defeat with passivity and lack of will (and laying an appropriate guilt trip on Yoda and Obi Wan for their responsibility with the evil their isolation and appeasement allowed); a full-on romance between Han and Leia, as they both consider running away from it all, before Han grows up and realizes he must go and fight, the subsequent death of Han Solo, but not before getting Leia pregnant (tastefully rendered); and some power plays within the Empire, between the Emperor, Darth Vader, and high-ranking and ambitious Imperials such as Piet who are looking to topply Vader. Basically, the idea would capitalize on themes such as Vader wanting to use Luke to help him overthrow the Emperor, and Luke taking Obi Wan to task for lying to him, and fully realizing the romance between Han and Leia - all complex plotlines that were completely forgotten. Of course, I could go into more...

  • April 26, 2007, 12:32 p.m. CST

    You bastard, Drew.

    by Turd Furgusen

    You get all the cool stuff. ;-)<p> Great review as always. I love learning about this sort of stuff. The "what if's" totally geek me out. I can't imaging "Boom,Boom" as Han.<p> "Get off my case, trash-compactor face!"<P> Have Travolta as Vader, "It's like so weird, here!" <p> Being a 30-something too, I totally agree that Lucas gave me my chilhood too.

  • April 26, 2007, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Believe It Or Not, STAR WARS Was Once Cool....

    by Buzz Maverik

    ...Everybody saw it in 1977. The cult had not yet formed but normal people stood in line for it and saw it more than once in the theater, which was almost unheard of then. I was 13, which was the perfect age. Multiplexes were on the rise and hadn't morphed into the fucking megaplex, but there weren't that many theaters and STAR WARS didn't go into wide release like movies do now, because everyone thought it was going to tank. Most of us had to wait for the movie, or have a parent or a friend with a parent willing to drive into a city to see it.<p>I don't think Lucas raped anybody's childhood. But I do think that the movies are far more reflective of whatever is going on around Lucas both personally and in society than he or the weak minded are willing to admit. This stuff is clearly not part of some overall grand scheme. ANH reflects the work of a younger man more in touch with his peers and the films of the era. The space talk was toned down and everybody was a little hipper. Luke, Leia and Han reflected both movie heroes and young people at the time (compare 'em with Anakin, Padme and Obi Wan in the prequels who come across as tight asses being spoofed). EMPIRE was fast and fun with the power of the revelation, showing a mature, master filmmaker behind the process. ROTJ was pure Regan-era cheese, fun and sweet but sort of that faux-waifish rejection of '70s grit.<p>The prequels? They had great moments, but when almost everyone is a knight or a queen, who reflects the modern American kid? Lucas was seriously out of touch. They are films made by a man in his late 50s, early 60s. Slower, more ponderous and burdened by certain events that had to happen. In EMPIRE, Lucas (with Kershner and Kasdan) did an excellent job of showing a youth betrayed by a parent. The prequels lacked that defining moment. When we're young, we're not motivated by politcal strife. Anakin should have had a gut wrenching betrayal by the Jedi that turned him, and Lucas blew it. Maybe in real life, people are destined to become jerks but in drama we gotta see that catalyst.

  • April 26, 2007, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Lucas Really Doesn't Need To Credit His Inspirations...

    by Buzz Maverik

    ...Nothing was plagiarized. Yeah, DUNE and LORD OF THE RINGS were all over STAR WARS, but lots of guys Lucas' age read those. In one of Edgar Rice Burroughs Martian novels I came across the term "sith". "Jawa" was a brand of Japanese motorcycle engine, etc. Even Luke finding out that Vader was his father could be linked to Rafael Sabatini's swashbuckler novel SCARAMOUCHE. These are just elements in popular fiction.

  • April 26, 2007, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Messi

    by Caped Revenger2

    well, in terms if Leia getting pregnant, it would show a bit of maturity to the series, and the idea that life goes on past the series, even though the essential storyline is wrapped up. Not sure that I would want any kind of video game quality with the movies, that is actually what I, personally, didn't like about the newer films. Basically, the improved Return of the Jedi that I see in my head from time to time, is a much more textured, layered version of what we got - like you said, a worthy sequel to Empire. An interesting review in the Washington Post at the time really noted Empire for not only its powerful revelation about Vader being Luke's father, but also it plot twist that Obi Wan has not been truthful, and the hint that Vader wants to overthrow the Emperor - that Vader knows something that Luke and Obi Wan didn't. The Post reviewer said he looked forward to how this would be wrapped up in the third one, and most of the layers of that storyline were eliminated. It's really too bad. Basically, with ROTJ, the universe got smaller in many ways, which is fine for the third act of a single movie, but not the third installment of a series.

  • April 26, 2007, 1:40 p.m. CST

    The Secret History of Star Wars

    by Vadakin

    http://secrethistoryofstarwars.com/ <p> Trust me, if you're interested in the history of Star Wars, from the beginning right up to the release of Episode III, you really need to check this out. Even if you read "The Making of Star Wars" you STILL won't know everything. <p> Oh and I'm assuming that there will be spaces in the URL...so just get rid of the spaces and you're good to go.

  • April 26, 2007, 1:42 p.m. CST

    I Heard Stallone Was Once A Contender For Han Solo...

    by Buzz Maverik

    Seriously. "Yo! Chew-bac-ca! Did dose stormtroopas give us duh best shot?"

  • April 26, 2007, 2:09 p.m. CST

    How I would've done the Prequels

    by Darth Busey

    First of all, I would have had the Clone Wars be more than one actual war. Next, the Wars would actually be about the cloning technology itself. For example, the Sith wanted the cloning technology to clone themselves and conquer the galaxy. The prequel trilogy would have centered around these wars (two distinct wars, one where the Jedi win, one where the Sith win). Also, I would have added a sweeping Dr. Zhivago type romance between Anakin, Luke/Leia's mother (who may or may not have been a Queen), and Obi-Wan. Anakin and Obi-Wan start off the trilogy as friends, but then become estranged as they fight over the girl, and Anakin's jealousy of Obi-Wan eventually turns him to the Dark Side. Please forgive the Pearl Harbor similarities. In any event, Obi-Wan would pretty much be a dick in my version, which would make his recognition of his dickery and redemption in the OT much more poignant.

  • April 26, 2007, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Darth Busey

    by Vadakin

    That is exactly why I'm glad Lucas told the story that he did. No offense meant, but that story contradicts everything the prequels were supposed to be about, even before Lucas changed the original concept around (Obi-Wan was originally the main character...but Return of the Jedi changed the entire story so it became about Darth Vader). <p> If I was to do the prequels, I would have made Anakin a little older and started the romance earlier but other than that, there is nothing I would really change. <p> Palpatine's manipulation of events throughout the trilogy is just...well, brilliant, Lucas at his best (while the romance plot was probably Lucas at his worst...though you have to remember, it was modelled after the serials of the 30's and 40's). <p> The whole idea of how a good kid turns bad is infinitely better than a cliche'd love triangle...remember, Obi-wan and Anakin were friends, not bitter rivals chasing the same girl.

  • April 26, 2007, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Also...

    by Vadakin

    People claim that Lucas' ability to tell the story go worse over the years...that he's no longer the writer he once was. Well if you go back and actually read what Lucas said about the prequels back in the late 70's and early 80's, although there were significant changes from the original concept, the tone of the prequels remained the same. It should be noted however, that most of Lucas' notes concerning the prequels centred around Episode III...Phantom Menace was essentially written from scratch and a lot of "Clones" was the same. <p> Also, Darth Vader being Luke's father wasn't always there...in fact it wasn't until 1978, AFTER the original film was released, that Lucas came up with the idea and he essentially merged Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader into one man which immediately gave Empire Strikes Back a darker tone throughout making it a more personal story. Before that, Empire was going to be more like A New Hope, light-hearted and fun.

  • April 26, 2007, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Messi

    by Vadakin

    Sure, everyone has their own versions of the prequels, I have mine. But Lucas' version has more depth than people give it credit for. <p> I'm not denying that the films have flaws, but the story that Lucas crafted is up their with the best stories of the last 100 years. People just seem to be too hung up on Jar Jar to take any notice.

  • April 26, 2007, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Sith=Shit

    by Stuntcock Mike

    End of Line

  • April 26, 2007, 3:03 p.m. CST

    Original Outline for "The Star Wars"

    by Vadakin

    Another tidbit...the original outline for Star Wars was actually a scene for scene sci fi remake of Hidden Fortress. In fact, after Lucas failed to get the rights to Flash Gordon, he thought about remaking Hidden Fortress. He actually didn't have an outline for Star Wars, or much of an idea of what the story would be so he wrote an outline that copied Hidden Fortress 9to show to the studio..who had no idea that it was essentially Hidden Fortress in space). But when it came time to actually start working out the story, he pretty much started from scratch...he was influenced by Buck Rogers and Flash Gordon, Dune and Hidden Fortress etc but it would take him a couple of years to actually craft his own story.

  • April 26, 2007, 3:04 p.m. CST

    Vadakin

    by Darth Busey

    I have absolutely no problems with the Palpatine character in the prequels; I thought the character was great and his motivations and manipulations were clear enough. But the Trade Federation stuff was just boring and not very Star Wars-y, and Anakin's turn to the Dark Side was way too quick and convenient. Was Padme dying a self-fulfilling prophecy; i.e., Anakin was always destined to cause her death?

  • April 26, 2007, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Ok then Messi...

    by Vadakin

    How is Phantom Menace a discrace? What prequel ideas out there are better than the one Lucas crafted? <p> Seriously, I want to know because so far all I've heard about TPM is how Jar Jar sucks and how Anakin keeps saying "Yippee". Anytime I see someone criticise the prequels, they focus on dialogue and effects and pretty much ignore the story. <p> I have no problem with people criticising the prequels, to each their own, but if someone is going to criticise or praise something, I think there needs to be a valid reason. <p> I'm under no illusions. I know the dialogue sucks, I know that Jar Jar is annoying and that the editing of AOTC wasn't great. But I've yet to hear somebody offer a valid criticism of the overall story told in the prequels. <p> I'm not arguing over the technical flaws...in fact I agree with most of the people who point them out, but I'm talking about the story, which is just as good as the story from the original trilogy and it could be argued that as a trilogy, the PT works better, since the OT was essentially A New Hope...then two sequels that were very different.

  • April 26, 2007, 3:37 p.m. CST

    WTF Ultrameerkat?

    by half vader

    You don't know what I'm talking about but rip on me for (maybe) not knowing what I'M talking about in the very next sentence? Jeezus dude! <p> The original ending with the bulldozer was changed (I was working on the merchandising at the time - bleh - and have the original version) at the last minute when Spielberg decided everyone would be so knocked out by the T-Rex that he really needed to bring it back at the end. Which is all fine and don't get me wrong I love the movie, but with the trademark SS telegraphing at it's height through the rest of the film it's even more blatant the way the Rex is shoehorned in there without any buildup in a Deuz-ex-machina style which is so UN-Spielberg (WOTW doesn't count) just so he could get a little more CG goodness in there. Now you know.

  • April 26, 2007, 3:48 p.m. CST

    Busey

    by Vadakin

    Anakins turn was originally much quicker and much more abrupt. Initially Lucas was setting up the idea that the Dark Side was a drug, and once you had a taste of it you couldn't stop wanting more. THe Tusken slaughter in AOTC was supposed to be the first step. Lucas changed it when writing "Sith" to become a reluctant turn rather than a willing one, making Anakin's story more tragic...he did the wrong thing for the right reason...he wanted to save Padme. <p> When Palpatine reveals himself to Anakin, the turn was suppoed to happen then and there but Lucas realised that it was too quick and so he reshot the scenes, so that Anakin actually sided with the Jedi and it was only after Mace fought Palpatine that he knew he would have to choose...he either had to stay as a Jedi and let Mace kill Palpatine, or save Palpatine to save Padme...he couldn't have both. He chose Padme. <p> The only problem with that though is that the way it was shot, you end up with Anakin still being a good person, a reluctant apprentice to Sidious...and then moments later he willingly kills children, which doesn't really fit with the portrayal of the character up to that point. <p> As for your idea, well there was actually a subplot for ROTS where Palpatine was manipulating Anakin, trying to make him think that Obi-Wan was having an affair with Padme. It wasn't true, but it was enough for Anakin to begin to doubt his friend. The subplot was cut from the final film though some remnants do remain. <p> So while I don't agree with an actual love triangle, making Anakin think that there is something going on, is something that Lucas worked with for a while. <p> Anyways, I have to go, but before I do, I'll address the Padme issue. <p> Basically, Anakin turns to the Dark Side to save his wife...but the irony is, turning to the Dark Side is actually what kills her. Now, I'm sure most of you don't really buy the whole "she died of a broken heart" thing, and neither do I. In the script, Anakin's attack on Padme was much more violent and may have worked better...but PG-13 means you can burn someone alive but not beat up your wife :P

  • April 26, 2007, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Jurassic Park

    by Vadakin

    I don't actually think the T-Rex at the end was even Spielbergs idea.

  • April 26, 2007, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Anakin is not happy about killing children

    by Razorback

    Anakin/Vader doesn't even feel too good about killing the people on Mustafar. That is why you can see tears in his eyes before the youngling slaughter and after the Mustafar slaughter. Many people seem to miss or ignore this fact.

  • April 26, 2007, 4:50 p.m. CST

    The Most Overrated Franchise In Film History?

    by Rebeck2

    I was 14 when I saw "Star Wars" at a 'sneak preview'. The ending was fun, but overall I could have summarized my feelings with a shrug. My theory is I was exactly one year too old to give much of a shit about such a corny children's film. It wasn't until I saw Empire, that I was excited by the series. It is the one and only great Star Wars film. Then ROTJ sucked like an Electrolux... Then, years later, all the prequels sucked like that new vacuum cleaner invented by the British dude. Star Wars has delivered to me two hours of solid entertainment and otherwise been a complete waste of time. Lucas should have given the SEQUELS (not prequels, boring stupid idea with no suspense) to Spielberg, Jackson and Cameron. Now THAT trilogy would have been exciting. But his ego and his denial about his total lack of writing and directing skills ruined that opportunity. In my mind, it's the greatest cinematic disappointment and debacle of all time. And I mean, above even Godfather III.

  • April 26, 2007, 4:53 p.m. CST

    Reveiwing tax code is a shitty way to start...

    by Billyeveryteen

    The PT is a horrible mess.<p>Knights of the Old Republic? The Sith are BAD ASS. The OT? The Empire is BAD ASS(mostly). The PT? Who gives a fuck about the Trade Federation? Turns out, the Sith are a bunch of backstabbing pussies. I am ashamed of myself, for fearing and respecting them for 25 years.

  • April 26, 2007, 5:26 p.m. CST

    The Dr. Zhivago love triangle is a good one

    by Caped Revenger2

    None of the motivations in the prequel trilogy make sense, because they aren't based on human frailty, but on complex plot machinations. Looking through history, or even Shakespeare, reveals basic human needs and foibles, such as jealousy and all-consuming power, as the simple yet strong forces at play behind complex politics or brutal warfare. A love triangle, rendered well, would have been a good starting point behind the trilogy, just as it worked in Dr. Zhivago, or even played a role in movies such as Casablanca or Reds. What didn't work about the latest film was too much of an effort to maintain Anakin as a sympathetic character, doing the wrong thing for the right reasons. That doesn't work, eithe dramatically or thematically. Even the imminently sympathetic characters of Vito or Michael Corleone committed evil acts mostly to protect themselves instead of to selflessly help others, even lovers or family members.

  • April 26, 2007, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Vadakin

    by one9deuce

    Like all great stories the basic plot for the Original Trilogy is both so very simple that a child could get it, but WITH very complex and brilliant story elements layered into it. The basic plot starts with the Rebel Alliance winning their first battle against the Evil Galactic Empire and ends with the Rebel Alliance winning the final battle and war. <p> The Prequel Trilogy is just a mess.

  • April 26, 2007, 5:50 p.m. CST

    half vader

    by one9deuce

    Can you elaborate on the original ending? I knew that they changed it, but I haven't seen a whole lot about it. What did you mean about Steven Speilberg telegraphing the ending? I don't really see anything in the movie that says "bulldozer finale".

  • April 26, 2007, 6:41 p.m. CST

    A long time ago . . . Lucas once said that the prequels

    by Moa Kaka

    would NOT have any of the same characters as the OT - except the two droids (presumably because they don't age). Now THAT would be a story worth telling, as the whole concept of the Jedi v. Sith could be interesting and I would have liked to see new characters. As it turned out, Lucas re-used all the same characters (even minor ones) from the OT. Didn't we already see them in 3 movies? Why the need to see the same characters in 3 more movies, only these movies aren't even as good as the originals? What a complete waste.

  • April 26, 2007, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Carmilla

    by Shaner Jedi

    Darkseid and his minions are given as sources of inspiration in the Rinzler book.

  • April 26, 2007, 7:42 p.m. CST

    Are these movies worth this much effort anymore?

    by WhoDis

    really? People like SK229 (who are writing great cases "against") coulda been playing video games, watching American Idol or even jacking off instead of wasting his time on here.

  • April 26, 2007, 7:51 p.m. CST

    RE: "George Lucas Raped My Childhood"

    by CondomWrapper

    It still cracks me up when people say that. Where did that immortal phrase originate? Was it on AICN when Episode I was released? Or did it start with the special editions in '97? Or perhaps even in '83 with Return of the Jedi, which I think is better than Episode I and II combined and can hold it's own against Episode III. Will someone please write an article or book or make a short film about the "George Lucas Raped My Childhood" saying? I wonder if Lucas knows about it? If so, how does he feel about sodomizing the OT fans in 1997/9/2002 and, for some, 2005? Although I think one has to admit that Lucas at least put lube on before sodomizing the OT fanboys.

  • April 26, 2007, 8:10 p.m. CST

    Messi

    by Vadakin

    I'm 22 and A New Hope is my favourite movie of all time. It doesn't matter to me what people think of the prequels, everyone is entitled to their own points of view, some people look at them and see a mess, I look at them and see a well crafted story that was flawed in it's execution. <p> THe originals weren't a brilliant and complex story, at least not by design...they were an accident, for lack of a better word. <p> In the first draft of Empire, Anakin appears to Luke as a Force Ghost on Dagobah...at the time, he WASN'T Luke's father. When Lucas decided to merge the two seperate characters of Anakin and Vader, it changed everything, but it wasn't originally planned. And by Return of the Jedi, Lucas agreed not to make episodes 7-9 essentially to save his marraige (which fell apart anyway when Marcia began having an affair) and so condensed the story to wrap it up with 6 (Lucas was also burnt out and wanted to raise a family anyway). <p> As for the clone wars, well Boba Fett always had a role to play in them from the very beginning and I agree it would have been good to have seen more of them in the movies. <p> However, you can actually blame the movie everyone loves - The Empire Strikes Back for the way the prequels turned out, and for Return of the Jedi. When Lucas made Vader Lukes father, the entire nature of the saga changed...the original concept of Obi-Wan fighting in the clones wars changed because at that point, the story became about Darth Vader...yep, it's Empires fault that the clone wars went down the way theu did. As soon as the saga became about Vader, then the backstory had to be about him as well, hence the reason we first meet Anakin as a child. Everything that's happeed in the movies that people don't like can be traced back to that moment in 1978 when Lucas merged Vader and Anakin together. <p> One final thing...what does a Star Wars movie feel like? Empire, Clones and Sith are nothing like the original, Menace and Jedi are the closest to ANH that we get...so if anything, it's Empire and co that don't feel like Star Wars films.

  • April 26, 2007, 10:42 p.m. CST

    On page 50 now

    by wadi77

    Wow, it's like reading a novel. Lucas changes a lot with his ideas on the script. What I like most is the part how one by one the crew came into the film,not knowing how phenomenon the film will end up. Haven't even read the casting part, interesting.

  • April 26, 2007, 11:22 p.m. CST

    Were we watching the same films, CapedRevenger?

    by deathbird

    Let me get this straight: you wanted "basic human needs" and "foibles", yet you're disappointed that Anakin's arc was peppered with these very qualities? You'd have actually preferred Anakin as a walking black hole of evil over the feeble tyrant we got (the latter being, coincidentally, the model protagonist in so many of Shakepeare's dramas)? Every one of Anakin's motivations--that's plural--stems from human frailty. 1. Cult of personality: Anakin lost his surrogate father (Qui-Gon) and was saddled with an aloof, mediocre substitute (Obi-Wan). Me? I think it's fairly tragic that the only man he could turn to, who gave him any sort of affection, happened to be the incarnation of evil. What, the yearning for a guiding male influence isn't primal enough for you? 2. Atavistic love: Anakin was considerably stable in TPM and the first thirty minutes of ROTS, and it's because he had a nurturing woman in his life. Isn't it HUMAN to abandon one's reason and ethical standards to protect a beloved? 3. Utopianism: Yes, Anakin did the wrong things for the right reasons. He saw a broken government and a corrupt religious order and wanted to clean house. History is rife with misguided malcontents who wanted to purify the world. Thank Christ Lucas didn't kowtow to the fans; I'm glad Anakin was enamored with Palpatine, that he had Mommy issues, that he was a failed revolutionary. It's a hell of a lot more compelling than Stoic-Knight-Goes-Bonkers.

  • April 27, 2007, 9:08 a.m. CST

    Actually I agree...

    by Vadakin

    I think Anakin should have been a bit older, closer to Padme's age but I would have kept the overall story. As for why Anakin started out so young in the movies, as I said, you can blame Empire for that. Once the story became about Darth Vader, everything changed. <p> Lucas' original concept of the prequels was very vague, but basically it was about two Jedi Knights, Obi-Wan and Anakin, who are essentially best friends and they go off to fight in the clone wars together along with Darth Vader, Obi-Wan's apprentice. At some point near the end of the clone wars, Vader turns to the Dark Side and murders Anakin while hunting down the Jedi. Distraught and angry, Obi-Wan hunts Vader down and almost kills him. But when Lucas merged the two characters of Vader and Anakin, the story of the prequels changed. It became about Anakin's fall from grace, rather than Vader's who was no longer a seperate character. <p> The reason Lucas made Anakin a child in Menace was to drive home the idea that Anakin wasn't some demon spawn destined to betray the Jedi, he wasn't evil incarnate...Anakin was a good person and Lucas wanted to show that, to show his innocence and lack of greed as a kid...the idea being that Anakin didn't start out bad, he was good...but even the innocent can be corrupted. <p> It should be noted though, that despite the changes to the prequel concept after Empire and Jedi, some things did remain...most notably, Order 66 and the lava duel. <p> The interesting thing about Revenge of the Sith is that the first draft covered pretty much everything. All the little subplots and side-stories, things like what happened with Boba Fett were to be covered but Lucas discovered that the whole thing was just too blaoated so he pretty much cut everything out and went at it again, this time focussing solely on Anakin's fall. <p> Also, regarding the clone wars, the original opening for Revenge of the Sith was going to be seven battles on seven planets and Dooku was to die much later on...in fact General Grevious' role was actually Dooku's. Anakin and Obi-Wan would hunt Dooku down and Anakin would kill him and turn to the Dark Side, mirroring Return of the Jedi where if Luke killed his father, he would have turned. <p> Agaimn, Lucas realised that the turn was too abrupt and rather than focussing on Anakin's lust for power, he focussed on Anakin's love for Padme being what drove him reluctantly into darkness. <p> The history of the Star Wars saga is actually a very interesting subject and it's fascinating to discover the changes made over the years. Even Empire and Jedi weren't supposed to happen the way they did. <p> A lot of what Lucas has said ove the last few years actually contradicts what he said back in the 80s and also contradicts the scripts and outlines he had written. He says today that Darth Vader and Anakin Skywalker were always the same person, that the story was always "the tragedy of Darth Vader". This is simply not true. <p> The one thing that bothers me about Lucas is that he seems to feel the need to lie about the origins of Star Wars and the evolution of the story over the years. There was no big master plan, the story evolved and changed, much like how Tolkeins sequel to The Hobbit went from a fairly light-hearted direct sequel to an epic saga called Lord of the Rings.

  • April 27, 2007, 10 a.m. CST

    ROTJ rules

    by Vadakin

    I don't want Jackson anywhere near Star Wars, besides, ROTJ is already a great Star Wars film (people are just hung up on the damn ewoks). Jabba's palace - great. Battle over Endor - spectacular. Confrontation on the Death Star - "freaky cool" :P <p> The only thing I would consider changing about ROTJ would be to add more ewoks...yes I said more...if a bunch of teddy bears are going to defeat the Empire's best troops then they need to have overwhelming numbers...hmm sounds like a reason for another special edition :D <p> As for Anakin's turn...well you have to remember that he thinks Padme is going to die. He'll do anything to save her. I have no problem with that. What bothers me is that Anakin goes from a reluctant traitor in one scene to a child killer in the next, which is a result of inconsistencies between drafts. As someone who analyses every plot point, every line of dialogue (the depth in everything is amazing) I have to say, after watching the saga from I-VI, I really got a sense of satisfaction with Anakin's last line: <p> "You were right...you were right about me...tell your sister you were right..." <p> The interesting thing is, even back in the das of the originals, Lucas said that he wasn't sure that people would like the prequels because they were very different in style and tone to the originals.

  • April 27, 2007, 10:50 a.m. CST

    I've typed this before but...

    by Lost Prophet

    TPM is still without a shadow of a doubt the most disappointing experience of my film-going life. <p>I was sitting there agog with excitement, the lights had dimmed the magical scrolling text comes up and it's.....about a fucking tax dispute in the outer rim. <p>What a complete let down. It was like buying a wank mag and getting home to find some shithead had put a copy of the economist inside the cover. <p>having said that, TPM is not the worst film of the series, that honour goes to AOTC- which is the only film I have ever got my money back for. <p>Whilst Ewoks do indeed blow, ROTJ is far better than all prequels combined.

  • April 27, 2007, 10:51 a.m. CST

    And I forgot to be rude about

    by Lost Prophet

    the "climax" of the film being a vote of no confidence. Fucking hell, if I want to watch TOday in Westminster I won't pay for the privelege. Awful.

  • April 27, 2007, 11:13 a.m. CST

    Why Anakin killing Younglings in ROTS is jarring

    by colivo

    The reason it is so jarring is when Anakin slaughters the Jedi Younglings 2 seconds after he turns to the darkside, was because Lucas shot THAT part of the movie in the context that he was turning for power and the jedi were betraying him, so in that context, it makes sense that he wants to kill every jedi. But when he reshot the turn scene so he solely did it for Padme cause of the dream and the power to save her from Palpatine, Lucas forgot that the scenes he shot before that don't jive up! It is very sloppy directing/writing when you have one half of the movie with one context of the turn for power, then the other half with another context of doing it for Padme. I thought it didn't jive opening night, but couldn't put my finger on why it didn't work, but after listening to Lucas on the ROTS commentary, he even admits to changing the first half of the movie while leaving the second half intact!

  • April 27, 2007, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Hayden Christensen ruined it all

    by Epictetus

    Vadakin, you are right. The slaughtering at the Jedi temple happens too quickly. Anakin "reluctantly" turns and then totally enjoys mass child murder ten minutes later. <p> The single biggest flaw with the PT was Hayden Christensen. His role was the lynchpin to making the whole trilogy work, as it was about his fall. The role needed someone very charismatic, with unlimited potential, almost like a swashbuckler with a projection of fun and adventure yet a twinkle of evil in his eye. It needed "Luke with an edge" not "Luke after shock treatment." It also needed a big guy physically, not a skinny short dude. <p> The great, complex man about whom Obi Wan said, "I fought with your father during the clone wars" needed to be this tragic figure who you felt sorry for, not some high school kid athlete who decided he wanted to quit the football team and act like a goth kid. When he turned, it needed to be about this world-shifting person falling under the spell of the Emperor because of ambition. In the OT, Vader says "you do not know the power of the dark side." He was supposed to be seduced by the power of the dark side, not his love of a woman or feelings of not being promoted. It was supposed to be all about control, the same control as choking a person with the force. <p> Christensen just flat out sucked as an actor and ruined every scene he was in. He made Natalie Portman look bad in romantic scenes (some of the worst kissing and love scenes of all time). He made Ewan McGregor seem like he was acting to blue screen. And he killed any sense of urgency or evil coming from Ian McDiarmid. Those three are usually good in most scenes without him, but Hayden sucked the life out of all of them. He was like an acting black hole. He had no gravitas, or depth, or charisma. He was just a boring kid in real life getting by on his athletic ability and not anyone you pictured when you wanted to see the great Anakin Skywalker fall. I don't know why Lucas picked him.

  • April 27, 2007, 11:28 a.m. CST

    re: Lost Prophet

    by Rendell

    Wohoa! The climax of TPM isn't about a vote of no confidence, it's about the most evil being in the galaxy being handed the keys to the Kingdom! How did you miss that?!?

  • April 27, 2007, 11:31 a.m. CST

    If you are wondering that then

    by Lost Prophet

    why did Lucas cast Jake Lloyd- who was also awful? Why did he waste Brian Blessed as chief of Jar Jar Stinks tribe? Why was Jar Jar in it at all? Fucking awful all of it, and the list of mystifying decisions in the PT is almost endless. <p>However, nothing was as bad as Hayden NEVERWORKAGAINSSEN's delivery of "THEY WERE ANIMALS, SO I KILLED THEM LIKE ANIMALS" in AOTC, delivery so wooden it should be chopped down and made into a table.

  • April 27, 2007, 11:32 a.m. CST

    re Rendell/

    by Lost Prophet

    no it isn't about a vote of no confidence- he is given the keys to the kingdom by a vote. Neither are interesting.

  • April 27, 2007, 11:33 a.m. CST

    mind you I did fall asleep

    by Lost Prophet

    and the girlfriend woke me up, so I was a bit disoriented- I have avoided it like the plague since so I am well prepared to stand corrected.

  • April 27, 2007, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Lost Prophet

    by Rendell

    Which is the whole point. He doesn't take power by force he manipulates EVERYONE, even the Jedi. All the characters in the PT are simply Chess pieces whom Palpatine controls. Brilliant!

  • April 27, 2007, 11:38 a.m. CST

    I know it is the point.

    by Lost Prophet

    It is still dull as ditchwater. <p>I think you are missing my point about what a fucking let down the film was. It's not that a machiavellian main villain isn't a good thing- Iago is one of the most evil bastards ever, but this is Star Wars, and a display of politics is, well, just not star wars. It is dull, dull, dull.<p>see?

  • April 27, 2007, 11:48 a.m. CST

    I don't blame Jake Lloyd

    by Epictetus

    Anakin should never have been a little boy, so Jake was put in a bad position. But yes, it looked like he had some coaching from Michelle Tanner when he said "It's working! It's working!" And I agree with most people that Jar Jar was a big mistake, but I think people should be more upset with the casting of Anakin than any other single choice of the prequels. Whenever I see him as the ghost of Annakin in the reworked Return of the Jedi, I have thoughts of burning every Star Wars item I own. Why would Luke see his father as a younger man than him? So f***ing stupid.

  • April 27, 2007, 11:51 a.m. CST

    I know!

    by Lost Prophet

    especially when every other ghost jedi is old- it makes no sense.<p>maybe to preserve continuity he should CGI Ewan McGregor into every scene of Ghost Obi-Wan. <p>that would work

  • April 27, 2007, 11:53 a.m. CST

    Exactly

    by Vadakin

    The whole point of the politics in TPM was Empires aren't forged by evil dictators who invade and take over. Empires are created from within and usually by popular vote. <p> The idea that Palpatine can take over and create an oppressive regime by manipulation rather than invasion is a scary thought. <p> In an early draft of TPM, there was no vote of no confidence. Palpatine just appeared at the end and said he was the new Chancellor without any mention of a vote or that Valorum was forced to step down, which made no sense. <p> In the finished film, the idea of the vote was put in there, thus eliminating the plot hole. <p> As for the taxation of trade routes, that was nothing more than a plot device to get Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon to Naboo and give a reason for the invasion of the planet. Palpatine is the ultimate puppet master. <p> I know a lot of prequels fans have a tendancy to say "you just don't get them" and to a certain extent that may be true. But I fully understand that there are legitimate reasons for people not liking the films. What bothers me is that rather than looking under the surface or even paying attention, some people just give it a quick glance, decide they don't like it and then start up backlash, and most of them don't even know why they hate the film. <p> I'm not saying you fall into that category Lost Prophet, I'm just commenting that it's something I've noticed. It also seems to be "cool" to hate Star Wars these days so a lot of people just seem to jump on the bandwagon to be part of the "in" crowd. <p> Now I have no problem with somebody not liking a film, though if somebody attacks me for liking the film or attacks my views on the film without valid reasons and arguments, then I will defend the prequels until my dying breath. Other than that it''s all good.

  • April 27, 2007, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Ugh

    by Epictetus

    The whole ghost thing shows you how little Lucas thinks about these things. I heard he cut a scene from ROTS where Qui Gon instructed Yoda on the technique of becoming a ghost. That would have been the best scene in the movie dipshit!

  • April 27, 2007, 11:59 a.m. CST

    There was politics in the original

    by Vadakin

    Just thought I'd point that out. <p> As for the casting of Anakin...personally I would have made him older in TPM and started the romance earlier, but I don't think you can blame Christensen or Lloyd, the fault lies with Lucas. He wanted to write dialogue that was reminiscant of the movie serials from the 30's and 40's and as a result...well all the films, not just the prequels, have suffered from dodgy dialogue, but it's definitely a bit too much in the prequels.

  • April 27, 2007, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Qui Gon instructs Yoda

    by Rendell

    Yeah that scene is in the novelization and yeah it should have been in the movie too. I guess it didn't make it in for time reasons. A bit like those scenes with the "birth of the Alliance"...

  • April 27, 2007, 12:04 p.m. CST

    The Force Ghost

    by Vadakin

    First let me say I don't agree with Lucas here...but here's his explanation. <p> Basically, Anakin "dies" on Mustafar and Vader is born. When Vader dies on the death star, he returns to the good person he once was as a light side Force Ghost, hence the reason he's younger at the end...the good person that was Anakin Skywalker died on Mustafar so only that version of him could become immortal. <p> Now I can understand that except for one thing...in ROTJ the good person that was Anakin returns when he saves Luke...he didn't die as Darth Vader, he died as Anakin Skywalker, therefore, it should be the Sebastian Shaw ghost we see at the end. <p> I love all the Star Wars movies...but sometimes George, you make no fucking sense ;P

  • April 27, 2007, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Again, everyone seems to be missing my point

    by Lost Prophet

    The point I am trying to make is that it was a disappointment. I understand why a vote was necessary, but it was also dull.<p>If you want a machiavellian ending that would have been more interesting, a "heart attack" in suspicious circumstances for the leader, and then Palpatine slithering Iago-esque into fitting the gap. <p>politics can be deathly dull, and the example in TPM is certainly that. <p>The tax dispute, however, even as a plot device was unforgivable and are you honestly trying to tell me that there wasn't a more interesting way for the Jedi to be manipulated out of the way than a matter of government administration? <p>fine- like it if you want, but at least admit that it was absolutely a let down, <p>Although there is much to admire (and arguably the great stand out scene from the PT), I have thought about this, and it is just a boring film- which is the unforgivable sin of Star Wars. If you look at my posts I have said that it was an utter let down of my expectations, and the biggest disappointment of my film going life- but it wasn't even the worst film of the prequels. It was flawed, dull, badly acted, poorly thought out (sorry- but Jar Jar and tribe, oh dear), but it isn't the worst film of all time.

  • April 27, 2007, 12:06 p.m. CST

    Lost Prophet

    by Rendell

    So you think it was "dull as ditchwater" fair enough. Personally I think it was subtle which is a tad different! So the question is: what would you have wanted instead? No smart remarks, give us a plot device or something to use instead of "politics".

  • April 27, 2007, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Liam Neeson...

    by Vadakin

    never recorded his dialogue for the scene. He wasn't going to actually appear, it would just be his voice, like when Ben is trying to convince Yoda to train Luke. <p> The scene would take place just before Bail Organa informs Yoda that Obi-Wan has made contact. The scene was even "shot" and Ben Burtt recorded his voice as a placeholder for Neesons's voice, but the scene was cut and Neeson never recorded his dialogue.

  • April 27, 2007, 12:08 p.m. CST

    BTW, a disclaimer and on politics

    by Lost Prophet

    I am not attacking you, and can back up every argument I have. <p>regarding your second point. The politics in the original is referred to. Not witnessed. This makes a huge difference. Furthermore, the politics in the OT is extremely high-end dramatic dictator type behaviour. It is not concerned with the mundane minutiae of government administration. They are really 2 totally different subjects.

  • April 27, 2007, 12:14 p.m. CST

    rendell-

    by Lost Prophet

    As vadakin says the vote was a plot device to elevate Palpatine to prominence. Therefore, you are asking me to substitute a plot device for a plot device. <p>i would have eliminated matters of admin from the whole thing altogether, and had the Jedi out in the arse end of nowhere for any other reason- a local war they were mediating in(nice chance for some early fireworks) for example. <p>I also would not have had the 2 term senate thing that Lucas had- if you didn't have this then there would be no need for Palpatine to push for the vote. Instead, you can have a decrepit head of senate being manipulated by palpatine until ROTS when after the dark side is revealed he is slaughtered in a despicable act of treachery and violence against someone defenceless. <p>whether or not you agree with me, this would radically change the structure of the films as it would put senatorial politics on the back burner and focus on manipulative relationships in power. To be honest, the structure where they all call each other by title, and the Jedi are referred to as Knights suggests monarchy and not democracyIt would also necessitate Anakin not being a child, as there would be too much background for him to be growing up, and make for a relationship between a cocky outcast kid and the princess.

  • April 27, 2007, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Fair enough

    by Rendell

    But Palpatine isn't going to get away with that kind of behaviour with the Jedi looking over his shoulder. He has to "stealth" his way in till he has them right where he wants them...

  • April 27, 2007, 12:17 p.m. CST

    Lost Prophet

    by Vadakin

    "at least admit that it was absolutely a letdown" <p> I can't do that because I don't think it was. <p> I can also back up every argument I have, so I guess it's a stalemate. Let's face it, I'm not going to change your mind and you're not going to change mine. <p> It's interesting to note that even back in 78/79, Lucas was saying that he wasn't sure that people would like the prequels because they were different in style and in tone to the trilogy he was making at the time, and yes, even back then, he was referring to the story as being machiavellian in nature. <p> And the politics in the PT are hardly mundane...it's not as if half the scenes were about the health service or opening a super casino. Every scene in the senate had a purpose. <p> By the way, I'm with you in saying that "Clones" was the weakest of the six, though for me that's mostly down to bad editing and the awful Threepio adventure in the droid factory.

  • April 27, 2007, 12:23 p.m. CST

    The point remains that you can be machiavellian

    by Lost Prophet

    without being dull. This is what Lucas failed to realise. <p>Also, although you don't agree that tax disputes and votes of no confidence are mundane- there are also more exciting things that can be done, the tax dispute especially was unfogivable. I can at least see the argument for the vote. <p>Rendell, I disagree- I think he actually would have more chance of getting away with it as a trusted advisor. Anyway, as I have said the writing suggests monarchy, or some other authoritarian form of government- not a beaurocracy, which may be why I find it especially galling. <p>there is never any agreement in this, but at least it is a reasonable argument rather than the usual abusive drivel.

  • April 27, 2007, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Hayden as a force ghost is the worst change!

    by colivo

    This is the worst change of all, even worse then Greedo shooting first, IMO. Anakin = Vader, and it is Anakin who is conflicted the whole movie in ROTJ, so if he died in ROTS as Lucas says now, then who the fuck was conflicted all through ROTJ? Lucas couldn't tie the PT/OT together through his new PT movies, so he is going back and changing the OT movies now and using visual gimmicks to tie them together. But it doesn't work, cause the more he changes them, the more I hate the SE.

  • April 27, 2007, 12:35 p.m. CST

    The nature of the Republic:

    by Vadakin

    It's not a monarchy. Basically, the senate run the Republic, with one Senator elected to Supreme Chancellor. <p> The Jedi serve the Senate...they don't run the Republic, and they aren't military either. While the Jedi's affairs aren't overseen by the Senate, they still take orders from them to a certain extent. <p> I suppose it is kind of confusing, but just to be clear, the Jedi have absolutely no authority to decide government policy. They act on behalf of the Senate to protect the Republic, but they don't have a vote or a veto on any decisions made by the Senate. <p> It all goes back to a thousand years before TPM, when the Sith ruled the galaxy. The Jedi came along and defeated the Sith, the Republic was formed and the Jedi were appointed as guardians of the Republic (not strictly the case in EU, but in movie terms, that's what happened).

  • April 27, 2007, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Clones is awful for many reasons

    by Lost Prophet

    not just the 2 you cite (although they are wretched). <p>I think the problem with it is that it is essentially 3 films (bear with me on this)- the more gung ho Obi-wan buggering off to wherever investigating cloning, the wretchedly acted love story (which had the worst moment in any star wars film- riding the space potato), and the sith manipulating. None of them fit together especially well, and the forced amalgamation at the end was just grating. <p>mind you, now I think about it, I have just cracked the problem with the first 2 films. If obi-wan and co are investigating cloning in the outer rim when they discover Anakin...then HEY PRESTO much of the tediousness is eliminated, and you can still have Palps pulling strings back at home with a bigger part for Christopher Lee. It removes Jar Jar, jake Lloyd and the love can be suggested (as lucas cannot write love dialogue) in the interim before the fall film- which you make primarily about his fall through lust for power under the manipulation of palps. PS- you also ace Padme in childbirth betweent the 2 films. It opens with Obi-wan buggering off to the outer reaches of the galaxy to hide the kids (based on a hunch from the force), and gives Anakin another reason to be bitter- not only has his wife died, but some fucker stole his children. <p>Works for me.

  • April 27, 2007, 12:38 p.m. CST

    I prefer my Star Wars to be

    by Stuntcock Mike

    mindless, root for the good guy stuff. Not political, something about taxes and florocarbons or chlorine in his blood count. And yeah, Hayden ruined it. Well, it was bad from Jedi on really.

  • April 27, 2007, 12:40 p.m. CST

    I know that it is not a monarchy

    by Lost Prophet

    but the language is very suggestive of one. I also know that the Jedi have no actual power. The point I am labouring to make is that the minutiae the film insists on focusing on is at best dull, and I found it contradictory with its own language. <p>Star wars episode 0: THE NEW FORM C14 PLEASE FILL IN TRIPLICATE- about one farm- boys quest to receive a subsidy to improve his bantha dropping rake. Seriously, would you want that?

  • April 27, 2007, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Will the book finally reveal

    by BillyPilgrim

    that Lucas kept reading scripts to Kurt Russell till he laughed? Also Abe Vigoda was initially going to be Lando in Empire.

  • April 27, 2007, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Deathbird

    by Caped Revenger2

    I realize my problems with Anakin may seem hypocritical. Like a lot of things with the new Star Wars movies, it comes down to execution, which is where almost all of the problems lie. But I will say that part of the problem comes from a shift in emphasis in these movies toward making Anakin enough of a protagonist that we feel sorry for him, right up until he turns evil. I guess when I say frailty, I mean a common personality flaw, such as ambition or jealousy, and not poor circumstances. Michael Corleone kills his brother-in-law and then his brother, all because of a relentless quest for consolidated power - not because they were having meetings without him. Anakin Skywalker is not someone who should have ever been left out, or left behind by everyone else. He should have gone through the classic arc of a rise to stardom - a rapid accendance in power, coupled by him leaving his friends and family behind. Anakin should be laying every girl in the galaxy, holding down a mistress or two while his wife is home being pregnant. He should go on the normal arc of corruption, which does not try to give excuses or reasons behind such corruption. Absolute power corrupts because it is absolute, not because of a reaction to unfairness or inequality. Anakin is portrayed too sympathetically - you can't feel sorry for someone and be in awe of them at precisely the same time. We were in awe of Michael Corleone' s power and machiavelian (sp) tactics - until we saw him sitting in his chair alone. I'm probably not articulating this well.

  • April 27, 2007, 12:48 p.m. CST

    No, I get you dude

    by Lost Prophet

    - It would have been more interesting if it had been a personal tragedy, falling through corruption rather than the shit-fest it was.

  • April 27, 2007, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Also, I never felt sorry for the little twat

    by Lost Prophet

    but that is done to dickheadssen's inability to turn in a remotely sympathetic performance.

  • April 27, 2007, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Sounds very interesting

    by Vadakin

    The story of a boy and his Bantha...I smell Oscar :p <p> The PT is nothing like that though, at least not to me and it's not like I have a big interest in politics or anything. I admit the first time I heard the term "taxation of trade routes" I was like wtf??? but then again, I was 14 at the time...which brings up a point. <p> If the politics in TPM had a flaw, it's that it wasn't kid-friendly and I can see how some people, especially young kids, would find it dull and boring. But to understand it you have to look at TPM in the context of the trilogy as a whole. <p> Of course back in '99 there was no trilogy, but looking back now, you realise that it wasn't about taxes and debates...it was about a man manipulating the system to gain power. <p> Which I suppose is the problem with the prequels...they work better as a trilogy than as individual movies. As the Architect would say - at the same time the movies prequels greatest strength and their greatest weakness. <p> When Palpatine declares himself Emperor, you can look back at TPM and see where his rise to power began and see the puppet strings, but when you watch TPM on it's own, there seems to be little reason for it.

  • April 27, 2007, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Fighting with the clones?

    by Epictetus

    The whole structure of the clone wars makes no sense. It's obvious from Obi Wan's statement in the original Star Wars that the "Clone Wars" was a fight against clones but in the prequels Lucas decides that the clones are actually on the same side as the Jedi until they receive Order 66. <p> If Palpatine was controlling the robot army and the clone army from behind the scenes, and trying to pit them against each other, it sure seemed easy for Yoda to essentially steal an entire military force and surprise everyone. Why didn't we see Palpatine act suprised when a secret army of clones he prepared was suddenly unleashed by the Jedi?

  • April 27, 2007, 12:58 p.m. CST

    I was 19 when I saw it. So don't give me that.

    by Lost Prophet

    I always get that when I post negatively about TPM. I understood it, and although it wasn't kid friendly, it also wasn't interesting. machiavellian behaviour has been done many, many times- and it can be absolutely brilliant (Whether comedy or drama), in this case they just got it wrong. If they had used Palpatine and Dooku slithering around playing off one head of senate then it could have been fascinating wathcing some doddery old fool gradully instigate fascist measures before being slaughtered in a coup run by his advisors. It would also allowed Anakin to fall through greed and lust for power. <p>I totally agree that the overarching plot is interesting, it is just when it is seperated. You can have far too much.

  • April 27, 2007, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Uh...

    by Vadakin

    So you don't find the idea that he turned to the Dark Side to save his wife, only for the ironic twist to occur that his turn is what caused her to die the least bit tragic? <p> Also, if Anakin went around sleeping with women across the galaxy it would give Lucas an excuse to say that he has more children out there, therefore Lucas can make more Star Wars movies and then AICN's servers would crash with all the talkbackers logging on to complain :P <p> I liked Anakin's story in the prequels overall and I think it ties in well with his arc in Empire and Jedi. Anakin is a slave his whole life, first he's a slave to Watto, then to his emotions and attachments, until ultimately he is enslaved inside the suit as Darth Vader, bowing to the Emperor. It's only when he sacrifices himself for his son that he truly becomes free.

  • April 27, 2007, 1:03 p.m. CST

    or I may have been 20

    by Lost Prophet

    whatever. <p>I also now inderstand how you didn't find it a disappointment. It is that in hindsight (which is wonderful) you can look back and see all the manipulation. may I remind you that this is something that you could not do at the time- hence "disppointment". <p>One point I will give you. It is the only one of the 3 that has actually improved with time. When I first saw it I thought it was an abomination, but looking back knowing the full plot I actually now just think it was very bad. <P> regarding the clone wars- The continuity is all over the place- best thing to do is not think about it.

  • April 27, 2007, 1:07 p.m. CST

    No I didn't. At all.

    by Lost Prophet

    I thought it lacked scope, was a sloppy attempt to supply an emotive reason when a more melodramatic and less soap opera one would have been better, and was too clever for its own good. <p>There will be more Star Wars movies. Lucas hasn't finished milking the cash cow yet.

  • April 27, 2007, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Clone Wars

    by Vadakin

    At no point does Obi-Wan suggest that the Jedi were fighting against the clones. All that's said is that he fought in the clone wars. <p> Behind the scenes, the original concept for the war was actually very vague. Apparently, Boba Fett was supposed to have been part of a group called Imperial Shocktroopers (later renamed Mandalorians for the EU), possibly from another Empire on the other side of the galaxy that invades the Republic. <p> Who the clones are fighting for is unknown, although Lucas did mention that at one point, Boba Fett was going to be the son of a clone, so that would suggest that the clones were the enemy of the Jedi. <p> This is contradicted however by Lucas' early work on the prequels. Order 66 was always there in some form - the Jedi were either fighting the war, or they had won...but there was a mass betrayal and the Jedi were pretty much wiped out overnight. <p> Given the way Order 66 played out, it's probable that the clones were working with the Jedi, even in the early days of Lucas' thoughts about the prequels. <p> So how can both points be linked? Well perhaps in the original concept for the Clone Wars, there were clones on both sides, which would solve the contradiction. <p> It should also be noted that Lando was supposed to have been a clone. <p> In any case, Lucas essentially went with the latter option and had the clones be on the side of the Jedi, while turniong Boba from the son of a clone, into a clone himself. <p> Another hisory lesson on the evolution of Star Wars...next week - the mysterious sequels...what would they have been? Class dismissed :D

  • April 27, 2007, 1:25 p.m. CST

    It wasn't a disappointment at the time either

    by Vadakin

    You may be surprised to know that the first time I saw TPM in the cinema, the audience cheered and applauded and a lot of them went straight back in to see it again. <p> I loved TPM when it came out and I still do. To each his own I suppose. <p> I do think that Lucas couldn't win no matter what he did, there was no way he could meet expectations...nobody could. He made the movies he wanted to make. I think it's sad that Star Wars fans have become divided in their opinions over the prequels (and ROTJ to an extent)but I suppose that can't be helped. I was watching Sith the other day, which is the strongest of the prequels in my opinion and while I do think the dialogue suffered at times, the problem with Sith is that it needed more. <p> What I mean is that there were some cool things in Sith...Anakin going to the Temple with the clones...great, but it needed more. Order 66...sad, but again, it needed more. Anakin's duel with Obi-Wan...again more was needed. The same with the Battle over Coruscant. <p> If any Star Wars movie needed an extended edition, it's Revenge of the Sith...though Attack of the Clones is in real need of a re-edit.

  • April 27, 2007, 1:27 p.m. CST

    All I'm saying is....

    by Stuntcock Mike

    there's plenty of hot gash in the galaxy, why settle for some douche who couldn't even cut it as Jean Reno's young apprentice?

  • April 27, 2007, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Epictetus

    by stabbim

    Yoda didn't "steal" the clones, he acquire them with the full approval of the Senate and the Chancellor. There's no reason for Palpatne to be surprised about it -- the battle at the end of AOTC is exactly what he wanted.

  • April 27, 2007, 1:32 p.m. CST

    It is in need of the fucking bin

    by Lost Prophet

    I gave up on the prequels altogether when I saw the interview where Lucas admitted that TPM only had 10% of the story and AOTC had 20%. Meaning the rest was going to be shoehorned in to sith. And my god did he try. A better way to have done it would have been to make 2 coherent films containing 100% of the saga and one on the clone wars. (Change the mythology, it's not as if he is adverse to doing that).

  • April 27, 2007, 1:44 p.m. CST

    stabbim

    by Epictetus

    When the vote was taken to raise a grand army of the republic, nobody realized that the army had already been raised in secret on Kamino. Yoda found out about the clone army through Obi Wan and it should have been a huge shock to the galaxy when Yoda showed up on Geonosis with a huge army. <p> It is a plot hole that nobody ever asked "hey where did Yoda get this huge army of 20 year olds?" <p> Palpatine didn't intend for the army to be utilized on Geonosis. Yoda forced the issue and stole the army to save his friends, the Jedi.

  • April 27, 2007, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Vadakin

    by Rendell

    Your absolutley right about the level of expectations before TPM, there was no way it could match that. I'm not saying it wasn't flawed - I'm not blind!- but the level of hate generated was way off the mark. "George Lucas raped my childhood!" that's outrageous...

  • April 27, 2007, 1:54 p.m. CST

    ye gods

    by Lost Prophet

    Rendell, even you admit it was flawed. It was a fucking huge disappointment. Agreed there was no way Lucas could have met expectations, but he could have turned in a better effort than that, <p>Also Vadakin, the cinema I walked out of was sullen and silent after TPM- this always happens though, people only remember the people that had the same experience as them.

  • April 27, 2007, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Epictetus

    by stabbim

    <p>The Senate at large did not know that the army already existed when it came time to vote (as evidenced by Palps future-tense remark "I *will* create...") but certainly a few key senators and advisors did. Either way, I don't see leaving out the galaxy-as-a-whole's reaction to it all as a "plot hole." Would have made sense to see it raise the Jedi's suspicions more than it did, though. </p> <p>I'm not saying that Palps intended the army to fight at Geonosis -- you're right, that was Yoda's call -- but they were intended to fight the Separatist army eventually. Can't have a war with only one side. If Geonosis hadn't happened, it would have been some other crisis further down the line.</p> <p>Ah, I love the smell of geek minutea in the early afternoon...</p>

  • April 27, 2007, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Agreed

    by Epictetus

    Why is it I can remember the specifics of the Clone Wars but not any of my friend's birthdays? ;) <p> I agree that Palpatine wanted to pit the armies against each other. The plot hole is that Palpatine says he will raise an army, but it turns out the army is already decades old, and nobody even mentions it. <p>Even a stupid person in the Senate would notice this, but we see the Senate in the next movie doing business as usual. That's because Lucas needed an army for the battle at the end and failed to explain why Yoda would just show up with it out of nowhere. <p> At the very least I would expect someone like Bail Organa to say "hey wait, he already had an army for decades, he isn't reacting, he's planning! And they already have cool helmets with a whole sassy color scheme!"

  • April 27, 2007, 3:20 p.m. CST

    And as for the worst Star Wars plot hole ever...

    by Epictetus

    When Luke leaves Dagobah in ESB, Obi-Wan says "That boy is our last hope." That's interesting since he saw Leia being born.

  • April 27, 2007, 3:24 p.m. CST

    RETURN OF THE JEDI

    by one9deuce

    Having Hayden be the force ghost in the ROTJ special edition is a horrible idea on so many levels. Especially since ANY movie should be self contained and make sense without having to see other movies. Anyone seeing only ROTJ would see Hayden's image and think "What the fuck?".

  • April 27, 2007, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Link to Amazon.com!!

    by DJLetterbox

    You really should add a link for this book.... ....cuz I'm either gonna order it from there or head to the bookstore right now =-D

  • April 27, 2007, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Yeah, the PT was half assed

    by SithMenace

    But I've never understood all of the hatred that ROTJ gets.

  • April 27, 2007, 10:45 p.m. CST

    Lucas raped my pocket book...

    by Mace Tofu

    and now I will let him again lol. I'm a sucker for these making of STAR WARS books and this one looks like it's a good read. I'm working all weekend so I better stay away from any book stores 'till next week or I won't get any work done : ) ..... drooling over this one. PS I was wearing a STORMTROOPER T-Shirt today : ( yeah, sad lol.

  • April 27, 2007, 11:24 p.m. CST

    CapedRevenger

    by deathbird

    Don't sell yourself short--you presented your case fine. The problem is that Michael and Anakin's destinies were poles apart. At the end of GII--or III, for that matter--there's no doubt Corleone will join his father and brothers in Hell. Anakin was spared this, yet in the confines of the OT, his "redemption" seemed a bit hollow (seeing as how he was a monster in IV and V). With the PT, Lucas had to make him pitiable, that he be as much a victim as a sinner (perhaps moreso). If George adopted your approach, the audience would be as eager as Palpatine to see Luke "give into his hate" and slay his father.

  • April 28, 2007, 12:08 a.m. CST

    Moriarty

    by wanna_bannana

    I can actually see a shred of humanity and sensible logic seep through in that bit of writing above....and to think i believed that you were made from leftover lips and assholes. =P<p> for the first time i have nothing but respect for you and your comment about "Lucas not raping peoples childhood" just keep in mind a majority of people in these TB's are not actual film fans. TB's have become a place where nerds can voice their opinions without getting the snot beaten out of them.<p>Sadly alot of them do it by complaining.

  • April 28, 2007, 2:31 a.m. CST

    Don't know if anyone's mentioned this yet...

    by TiVo1138

    But they're making one of these for Raiders of the Lost Ark as well to coincide with Indy IV apparently.

  • April 28, 2007, 6:39 a.m. CST

    Anakins redemption does not sit well with me now

    by colivo

    After watching the saga 1-6, the whole force ghost scene in ROTJ does not sit well with me. Before the PT, Vader/Anakin was not the main character, so it was more a side issue to Luke, but now Anakin has a full arc in the saga, and should be watched through his eyes and story when watching it 1-6. I just have a real problem with him smiling back at Luke as a force ghost after he killed a bunch of kids and choked Lukes mother, yet Luke doesn't know! Redemption means you repent your sins, and Vader never told Luke the whole story, nor did Ben or Yoda about what eventually happened between his mother and father on Mustafar. The redemption angle that plays out now is hollow and a bit creepy to me, cause I really can't take to a guy who did all that crap, but gets to come back as a ghost for one act of saving his son. The last image of Vader should have been him lying there in the fire as Luke burned him by himself on Endor, and that would be the true moral, Vader is redeemed in his son's eyes, but cannot become a force ghost for all the horrors he caused the galaxy. The last image should be Luke looking at Kenobi & Yoda as they were the true catalyst to ending the suffering in the galaxy.

  • April 28, 2007, 10:29 a.m. CST

    (snap..hiss) Holy shit - his lightsaber is green!!

    by Mel Garga

    I was five when Jedi was released and I waited in a line that wrapped around McDonalds for about six hours. I vividly remember my surprise at seeing Luke's green lightsaber spring to life aboard Jabba's floating pleasure craft.

  • April 28, 2007, 12:40 p.m. CST

    Agreed. We shouldn't have seen Anakin's spirit.

    by deathbird

    In my estimation, that second-to-last shot was the biggest storytelling blunder of the saga. It should have been left to interpretation whether Anakin was truly redeemed. It just doesn't sit well as is. (Kinda like seeing the ghost of Richard Nixon partying down in a Vietnamese village.)

  • April 28, 2007, 6:51 p.m. CST

    RE: ROTJ remake

    by deathbird

    Actually, I'm in the middle of a JEDI screenplay treatment, as the narrative has been swimming in my head since the release of ROTS (don't laugh, it's merely a means to dabble in the medium). Though I'm apprehensive about divulging details, I will say that it subverts the father and son dynamic: Vader intensifies his efforts to forge a Skywalker dynasty that would save the galaxy from Palpatine, while Luke, obsessed with slaying his father, engages in a serious flirtation with the Dark Side (harkening back to the Earth/Heaven/Kronos conflict from the Theogony). I had to do it, ROTJ is the only SW film I can't f---ing sit through.

  • April 28, 2007, 9:11 p.m. CST

    Obi-Wan's death

    by MrMojok

    When all this blew up back in 1977, I remember there was a star wars magazine you could buy that had some interesting interviews packaged in with a lot of fluff like fold-out pinups and the like. Anyway, I distinctly remember a Lucas interview from a '78 issue in which he said it was his wife at the time who suggested Obi-Wan's demise. He had hit some kind of writer's block or problem with the story... how to give the last part more meaning or some such. his wife said, "Why don't you kill Ben?" Food for thought. The same magazine is where I first read about Lucas' idea of Darth Vader and Obi-Wan's duel on the lava planet. In 1978-- heh.

  • April 28, 2007, 11:58 p.m. CST

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    by LeeLuDallasMultiPass

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  • April 29, 2007, 11:46 a.m. CST

    AOTC barely edges out JEDI

    by deathbird

    Don't get me wrong, AOTC is in the bottom tier--we might as well be comparing STDs--but at least it had a plot; Marquand's film is nothing but a retread of ANH with four or five redeeming scenes.

  • April 29, 2007, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Conan O'Brien is going to see Lucas' ranch this week.

    by BrokenHeath

    Supposedly he saw Indy's whip and was flailing it about and broke some original old movie model...I guess from Star Wars. Then Lucas falls on the floor wailing and blubbering over the broken pieces. ;) Should be a hoot.

  • April 30, 2007, 6:48 a.m. CST

    Thank You George Lucas!

    by dioxholster

    OT was gret. nuf said

  • April 30, 2007, 7:12 a.m. CST

    Vadakin, the PT story was there

    by colivo

    I agree with you that the PT story was interesting, and it was the overall execution that failed the Prequels. In saying that, Lucas really flubbed by not planning out the trilogy before and writing it on the fly. I still think if he combined the plot points of TPM/AOTC as Episode I, and fleshed out ROTS to Episode II & III, the Prequels would have been a hell of alot more interesting. The problem watching the saga 1-6 now is that you almost feel like you are going through the motions to get to ROTS, and the OT was never like that for replay value. I wanted to watch SW, ESB, and ROTJ just cause they were damn good movies they had great replay value, and now the only PT movie with any replay value is ROTS, cause that is essentially 60% of the PT story as Lucas said a couple of years ago. I just think so many of us here forget about the replay value and that is why so many fans enjoyed the PT movies upon the first few viewings, but they just don't hold up well like the OT movies years later, and many people including me were expecting to watch all 6 movies endlessly the same way we watched the OT movies for 20 years.

  • April 30, 2007, 10:14 a.m. CST

    George Lucas created an EPIC

    by United States

    I was 10 in 1977, and fully remember going to see Star Wars. I even remember the TV commercials, and how cool the Luke and Leia chasm swing seemed to look. I have to say, all this complaining about Star Wars, and the claims that Lucas somehow 'raped your childhood' are absolutely ridiculous. If it were easy to write a coherent, entertaining, 6-part motion picture epic, everybody would do it. George Lucas has spent many years of his life creating the Star Wars movies. It's not his fault if you went to see the prequels with your own idea of how it all came about. He had to tell his story. Instead of complaining about parts of the story you imagined differently, you should applaud Lucas for what he created and accomplished. After all, As this new book seems to illustrate, it is extremely difficult to get one movie finished. George gave us 6. Of course, I would argue that they are all parts of one 12-hour movie, but that's for another talkback.

  • April 30, 2007, 11:04 a.m. CST

    US, it is the treatment of the OOT that bothers fans

    by colivo

    United States, I agree with you that anyone who is mad at Lucas for the PT should get over it. I like to critique them, but they are what they are. I do get mad at Lucas for not releasing the Unaltered OT versions on DVD in high quality the same way he released the SE in 2004. Those versions are beloved, and for Lucas to trash them in that 2006 non-anamorphic grainy laserdisk-like release is an insult to any fan who saw them from 77-83. There is room in the SW universe for the SE & OOT, and it boggles my mind why Lucas won't let the fans who want to see Sebastian Shaw at the end of ROTJ enjoy THOSE versions in high quality.

  • April 30, 2007, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Who first used the phrase, "Raped my childhood"?

    by biggsdarklighter

    It was self-proclaimed "Trekspert" and pro-Trek/anti-Wars prick Mark A. Altman. His direct quote to Matt Drudge following a screening of the Special Edition in 1997: "It's like watching your childhood being raped." http://www.wired.com/culture/lifestyle/news/1996/12/1212 As for why Lucas released the non-anamorphic DVD versions last year, had it not been for the illegal bootlegging of laserdisc rips on eBay, he never would've even released those versions. The version last year was intended to one thing: kill the black market. And it did. You will NEVER see high quality versions of the originals again because Lucas doesn't want fans picking and choosing which versions of HIS story are the "real" ones and for some to pretend that the Special Editions and prequels never happened. He wasn't motivated by a desire to insult OOT fans but rather to screw bootleggers. In the end, he just wants to tell his story the way he thinks is best, which is his right. What's so hard to understand about that?

  • April 30, 2007, 3:17 p.m. CST

    biggsdarklighter

    by one9deuce

    George Lucas can tell his story any way he wants, you are right about that. <p> Acting like the new story IS the original story just makes him an asshole.

  • April 30, 2007, 3:22 p.m. CST

    I said "Gret" didn't I?

    by dioxholster

    well thats probably because i wrote it while my professor was yapping. thats right, I come here even during my important lectures. See that Harry ! and take that Joblo, never even bothered with that mess of a site. ok most importantly I meant Great not Gret, coz I rather have Star Wars PT ruining my expectations than to never have had Star Wars at all. thats why I thank ed George Lucas and I suggest everyone should do the same. I believe the phrase "Raped my childhood" should be blasphemous for any star wars fan to say.

  • April 30, 2007, 5:21 p.m. CST

    one9deuce

    by biggsdarklighter

    Why does an artist revising his work make him an "asshole"? Why do you have to get vulgar toward a stranger (Lucas) just because he's doing what artists from a variety of disciplines do all the time: revisit, update and revise earlier works. Lucas had been working on a multipart, multidecade long project that involved many decisions he made on noisy, crowded and stress-filled sets 30 years ago. Instead of being married forever to those artistic decisions, he's made changes after years and years of thinking about them. He's certainly earned the right to do that. It doesn't make him an "asshole" if he's decided that a few decisions he made in his 20's (and, really, the changes aren't as story altering as some fans make them out to be) aren't the best way to tell his story. If Lucas can tell his story, as you agree he can, then it follows that he's under NO obligation to continually release previous versions just because some fans may not like some of the things he's changed. Either he can tell his story the way he wants or he can't. You, of course, can choose to ignore any new version he puts out. Nobody is an "asshole" here. Can't we just get past the abusive name calling?

  • April 30, 2007, 9:59 p.m. CST

    biggsdarklighter, you wrote:

    by one9deuce

    "multidecade long project that involved many decisions he made on noisy, crowded and stress-filled sets". <p> That is how some of the most fortuitous and brilliant decisions are made. George Lucas was a BRILLIANT filmmaker in his 20's and 30's. He is not that man anymore. I'm not saying it's his fault but he is a "suit" now. Sad, but very, very true. Honestly, name one good decision he has made with the Special Editions.

  • May 1, 2007, 12:21 p.m. CST

    one9duece

    by biggsdarklighter

    The point is not whether you, I or anyone else agrees with or likes his decisions (and to answer your question, I think a lot of the restoration work on the Special Editions was great and needed, as well as some of the new effects shots like erasing the "gel" under the landspeeder). The point is that if Lucas has the right to tell his story as he sees fit, as you agree he does, then exercising that right does not make him a bad person or an "asshole". It just makes him an artist revising his work -- something not at all uncommon. It's just interesting that you call him an "asshole" and a "suit" yet somehow HE's the bad guy. Look, we all have our opinions about Lucas' work and decisions -- that's fine. But you seem to take him exercising his artistic rights as a personal attack. And it's not. Lucas is a guy who has ALWAYS had naysayers and critics telling him what he should and shouldn't do (like studio execs insisting the wookiee should wear pants) and he's succeeded by ignoring most of that and doing what he thinks it best. Sometimes his decisions are brilliant and sometimes they're not -- but that's life. It's not up to fans to micromanage how he tells his story and that's what some fans want. They want high quality transfers of the originals on the latest technology so that they won't be forced to accept Lucas' changes. In other words, they want the story as THEY want it, not how Lucas wants it. So much for the artist being free to tell his story. There's no difference between a studio exec telling Lucas the wookiee should wear pants and a group of strangers called "fans" insisting who should and who shouldn't "shoot first" -- both are about the same thing: demanding an artist do what THEY want rather than what HE wants. So who's really the asshole?

  • May 1, 2007, 1:57 p.m. CST

    biggsdarklighter

    by one9deuce

    You wrote: "Nobody is an 'asshole' here. Can't we just get past the abusive name calling?" at the end of one post, then in the very next post you wrote "demanding an artist do what THEY want rather than what HE wants. So who's really the asshole?" <p> We could debate who and who isn't an asshole all week, but it's 100% clear who the hypocrite is. That is priceless how you did that in consecutive posts by the way. <p> The fact that you can't see that Lucas is now the studio executive asking to put pants on a wookiee is exactly why you don't understand this debate.