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A New ORDER OF THE PHOENIX Trailer Soars Our Way On Magical Wings Of QuickTime!!
Merrick here...
There’s a new trailer for HARRY POTTER AND THE ORDER OF THE PHOENIX posted at Yahoo.
This one’s rather similar in nature to the international trailer that showed up a few days back. At the moment, I’m not nearly nerdy enough to run these side by side to find the exact differences, but this may change after coffee and breakfast. Of course, this one has the distinct advantage of being presented in…you guessed it…all forms of Glorious QuickTime!
Things that caught my attention in this trailer: love the funky, enhanced color scheme of the whole film. The distinctive color palette in sequences like the wizard battle evoke a sense of Disney, and even some Roger Corman-esque fare (the turquoise lighting in the bridge of BATTLE BEYOND THE STARS' enemy warship comes to mind). This isn’t an insult – in fact I find such stylistic choices unique and cool. By the way, this is probably the only time you’ll ever see Disney and Roger Corman cross-associated – only on AICN.
And, do my ears deceive me, or is this our first sense of composer Nicholas Hooper’s work? Perhaps a cue composed especially for the trailer?
CLICK THE PIC OF THE ELECTRIC WIZARD, then discuss in the Talkbacks below!
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oh yes
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How come that tie-in never happened??
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This one is just EPIC.
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They've certainly sold me. this might be fun.
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I was looking at some of the cast pictures on the site and it doesn't seem that Harry has the lightning bolt scar. What's with that?
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This is gonna rock!
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What happened to my title? Stupid thing
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Balls to the walls Awesome!
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If this movie is as amazing as the trailers, we are in for some ride. I am really looking forward to this one.
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Gonna be sweet!
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"Journalists" mixing up words like "fair" and "fare" in pretentious and misguided attempts to sound literate.
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It's amazing how far this series has come from its pedestrian first film.
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I like a good grammar/spelling gaffe more than most, but if you think anytime someone mixes up homonyms they're automatically being pretentious, perhaps you're the one that's misguided...
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How did he get this Directing gig?
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It is indeed brilliant. Mind you, I saw the Spider-Man 3 trailer - Trailer 1 - having seen and been a bit disappointed by the movie itself. Yet that trailer is so good, it makes me want to see the film again! A bit like those amazing Phantom Menace trailers, which made you think you were going to watch some kind of space version of 'The Good, The Bad and The Ugly', mixed in with an intergalactic 'The Longest Day'.
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...is how you cut a fucking trailer. That looked absolutely amazing. Most people think the fifth book was the most boring of the series thus far, but you'd never be able to tell from that trailer. Awesome.
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Just saying.
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Eps 1&2 were so-so kids' films. Eps 3&4 were brilliant kids' films. PLEASE may 5/6/7 be a proper trilogy that raises the bar on the others and takes its place next to other classic trilogies.
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wowzers
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What is it about this stuff which leaves me so cold? It's like fantasy that 'muggles' can enjoy - entry level crap. *can't beleive I used that phrase*
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But that actually looked pretty good. I am not a fan of these movies. Great CGI work. Might even catch it in the theatre this time around.
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Editing is fun.
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Who got asked to direct Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix
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...to the HD versions? Yahoo's links never work for me anymore for some reason. And it's pretty annoying now that they seem to get all the exclusives, instead of Apple.com like before (which always worked fine for me... grrarrgh).
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still liked the intl one a little bit better. Anyone amazed at how cool the ministry of magic/dept. of mysteries looks?
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I loved it. I haven't seen the international trailer yet, but this one wowed me. The music is lovely and all the quick shots we got at the end. Damn!
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They just keep getting better and better. Gilliam for HBP!
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That's a fair point. I don't think that mixing homonyms is automatically pretentious, though. Only when someone does it in an attempt to sound like a journalist. It's endearing when Harry does it. Aw, no it's not. Never mind.
Love the trailer, by the way. My favorite of the books, and I've been waiting for the film for quite a while. The Ministry scenes look awesome.
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Damn you Chris Nolan!
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Can't wait.
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I did this in Photoshop last night. Heh.
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The only genuinely genius drama the BBC has made for the past 5 years. If you can get a hold of it on DVD do so. It's stars John Simm, Bill Nighy (in a scene stealing role) and David Morrisey it's an incredibly fast paced political thriller with a killer ending. The man can shoot lots of expositiony type dialogue in a way that makes it enthralling I'd say that makes him pretty perfect for this adaptation.
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David Yates is the Dad who's wife drowned all their kids right?
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That chickstasche totally ruined the last movie for me.
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(stretches, resumes snoring)
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Because I'd like to fight them.
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Just copy the link location right into Quicktime, it'll work then. This is my favorite book so far (haven't read 6 yet), and it looks like it might be the best movie. Still wish they'd gone with a better Harry Potter actor... Oh well.
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"This ministry of magic battle is going to be fucking amazing on film."
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It takes 250 pages to GET TO SCHOOL. The stories don't even start til they get to school. That was a train wreck.
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Where book four was too much beef for just one movie and suffered for it.
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My god... It's just so... so... so... SO FUCKING COOL!!!
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Apr 24, 2007 12:53:21 PM CDT
5th book wasn't boring, but it needed heavy editing.
by excaliburffolkes
There was a wonderful 300 page novel hidden in there between the excess. It could have been worse, several times JK Rowling has mentioned that she intended The Chamber of Secrets and Prizoner of Azkaban to be much longer novels but that her editors prevailed upon her to make substantial cuts.
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This movie is going to be so, so good...if for nothing else than the CG work.
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...I could have edited that book with a meat cleaver. The movie will benefit from that because out of all the books this was the easiest to edit into a 2 hour movie.
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better than the international one. The format helps but overall it's more coherent and really gets you pumped for the film. I really hope they nailed it.
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The Girl in the Cafe was also directed by Yates, no?
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now that lil' H is 15 i rally wanna fuck her....in the vagina. J/K...oh and p.s. to the book five was awful crowd: you are a dumb dumb and you will not get pleasure from this great fantastic tale.
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Honestly, I'm so checked out of giving a shit about Harry Potter movies. I'm more excited about Rush Hour 3 than another one of these wizard effects-fests. Okay, Daniel, yell and point your finger. Thanks, that was marvelous, luv.
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Earl Dittman - Wireless Magazine
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and Bill Nighy does need to be in this, you're right Barry. Maybe as Scrimgour (sp?)...or some dude on the street, he's brilliant...
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C'Mon Mori, sure you are! And that's one of the many reasons we love ya!
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Honestly, who gets excited about Harry Potter movies other than 13 year old girls and/or Herc? Call it what it is: yet another boring sequel with the same friggin' formula. Wave the wand, ride the broom, spiffy CGI effects, Dollarhyde with no nose, Quidditch tourney, old bitty in a witch hat, a bunch a guys dressed like Trent Reznor circa 1991, dragons, and an awkwad love story featuring boys and girls that AICN perverts spend weeks posting about (see posts above and below for examples). HARRY POTTER MOVIES ARE GODDAMNED BORING !
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We're going to get to watch him get his ass handed to him by Snape in the next one.
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You should know this one by now. All I need is the two minutes of screentime and Im multiple orgasming.
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I've been putting it off for God knows what reason, but it's high time I read it and got ready to go see this movie, cuz it looks fantastic. I just love how this series is maturing - so rare to see that kind of growth in a series of books. Cool. We might have a rated R movie by the time the 7th comes out, at least if they keep progressing the way they are. The studio would obviously never allow that, though. Go Harry!
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*SPOILER*
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Apr 24, 2007 1:34:18 PM CDT
Pound Sand - not if you get off on underage girls
by dorothys taint again
Oh Hermione, flap those big old catepillar brows over in my direction, baby! Come on, how can that be boring? She handles your wand!
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...uh, I forget. But Snape does or says something that gives him a fairly obvious loophole when he does the ahem to ahembledore, and there's some dialogue about how heh-humming isn't really heh-humanent, so it's obvious that whatchamadore didn't really ey-day but just got sent to the Phantom Zone or something so he can help kick the ass of Darth Volder at the end of the next book.
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ahembledore...
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there isn't a Harry Potter film that hasn't put me to sleep.
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Apr 24, 2007 1:44:40 PM CDT
Pound Sand, any 2007 movies get you pounding your sand?
by dorothys taint again
How about that incredibly shitastic Transformers movie? FF2: Rise of the Giant Clound Guy From Space? Shrek the Turd?
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I wasn't a fan until I bought the years 1-4 boxset, they're not too bad.
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I'd like to go over the rainbow with her.
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Uh Fox denied the Seattle preview screening and the whole cloud/Galactus thing.
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Not a fan of the series (films, like the books) but damn, gave me goosebumps.
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Even if Galactus appeared as a giant Hermione taint. Well, maybe then.
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Somebody at Warner's sure knows how to cut a trailer. Now, will the movie itself live up to it???
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"Honestly, I'm so checked out of giving a shit about Harry Potter movies."
...and yet you have clicked the link, presumably watched the trailer and have now posted TWICE to this talkback.
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This was my least favorite of the books, but judging from the trailer, might be the best of the movies so far.
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While I loved Richard Harris as Dumbledore, I always was worried he wouldn't be able to pull off the more intense moments in the later books, if only because he seemed so old and frail. I think Gambon will win over a lot of fans with this flick. I especially think he will be the shit come the potion drinking scene in HBP.
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look away kiddies - *spoilers* having half of the V man's followers break into your school (which is supposed to have some kind of spell by DD to protect it, that pesky Room of Requirement)make a mess of the place while you're away, come back, get a killing curse to the chest and sent tumbling off a 40-50 story tower getting your ass handed to you.
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This is going to beat Goblet Of Fire into the ground. OK so it doesn't have action with a dragon and an underwater task but so fucking what, this is where the meat of the Harry Potter story lies. Emma Watson still seems like the weak link with her lines though. She always sounds like she's whining or crying. God I bet she'd be annoying in bed.
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...is dead. I hope that is not a surprise to anyone on this Talkback. He WAS in his portrait and he was snoozing, so we will still enjoy his wit and wisdom. Why he HAS to be dead: The same reason Harry's parents, Cedric Diggory and Sirius will remain dead... Cheating death is portrayed as bad (only Voldemort, Pettigrew and Crouch Jr. have done it) and it 'cheapens' the heroics. I'd be very disappointed if after all the moralizing about death 'not being so bad, really' if it turns into 'cheating death is bad, unless the person is popular and likeable'. It just does not fit.
Now, on to a half-assed prediction: Bill Weasley will be the new DAtDA Teacher. He's a trained magic item finder and curse breaker *cough* horcrux *cough* AND he's got a touch of werewolf now so he can mirror Remus from the 3rd book (this book is rumored to mirror PoA).
And a question? What kind of self-important lackwit uses the wonders of the internet to (poorly) state their opinion as a fact that everyone else should fall in line with. I mean, I can accept "I think the HP movies are boring." or "I really don't see the appeal." However, logging into a topic you don't like to INFORM those that do that they are wrong (with little back up, I might add, and typing in all caps and using 'fuck' is not a well constructed argument), just seems a tad insane. I am genuinely growing curious about this. -
Just seem to be getting bigger and better each time.Of coarse Azkaban i liked more then Goblet but Goblet was really great and opened it up where Azkaban was more personal.Never the less this seems to be way bigger then Goblet and I cant wait to see it.
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I actually like the books, though I'd like the last few a lot better if they were shorter (this is the one that really drags, as many have said). Anyway, my last comment was book-related, not movie-related, since I stopped going to the movies after #3 proved to not be nearly as much of an improvement over the first two as claimed. I'd even forgotten that they'd already made #4 until I flipped on cable the other night and there it was.
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I am not convinced he is alive... and I'm also not convinced he is dead. What happens to him is in no way consistent with the descriptions of what happens to others when whammied with the Avada Kadavra curse. Plus there is SO much talk in the book of 1) casting spells without speaking the "incantation" (or whatever you want to call it) and having to truly want to kill the person that you are cursing for Avada Kadavra to work. With that in mind, I'm convinced that even if Dumbledore IS dead... that Snape did NOT cast the Avada Kadavra spell on him. He SAID "Avada Kadavra" but actually cast a different spell non-verbally.
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I can't believe it!
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I guess what I am saying is that THEMATICALLY he needs to be dead or Rowling will have undermined one of her main moral lessons. His portrait will stand in for him, no doubt. As far as the effects of the AK, well, I think what we read was a little extra drama as seen thru Harry's eyes.
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I do love talking about it though... so I love it when there is HP news here. Cuz the loons on the HP imdb boards and at Mugglenet are just... well... loony.
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Even if it is just in the painting or in some weird (behind the curtain from the MoM) ghostly way. There are too many phoenix connections to his character. He created the Order of the..., his patronus is a phoenix, his pet/companion is a phoenix. Dumbledore gave Harry the strength phoenix song gave him when he walked into the courtroom.
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I hope he turns out to be Jesus in the end.
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I'd love to see him as Scrimgeour. He's actually who I pictured while I was reading the sixth book.
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...I like balls.
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I use those with irony. Sorry for the disturbance.
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Albus is, as I'm sure I don't need to say, a symbolic phoenix, not a literal on (and yet I say it anyway). I suspect his 'resurrection' will be in the inspiration given his students (Harry in particular, of course).
Moreso than being about children, school and coming of age (which is enough there). These are stories of generations. Literally, in the case of the many families that are featured and more abstractly in the Hogwarts Houses and their connections to past alumni. Mark my words, Albus will be resurrected via his LEGACY. -
Voldemort has scars, gray skin, and looks like the Crow....
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You know, we never really got a definitive explanation what the Veil really was. All we know is it is very very bad to cross it and most likely permanent. Who ever said distinctly that if you cross it you die? That's really just assumption. Sirius crossed it and everyone reacted but no one actually said "dead". Dumbledore dead- sure I can buy that (or not depending) but I really think Sirius will be back for book 7.
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...Is a big cloud... played by Shia LaBouf... with scars... looks like the crow... and, um, photoshopped... maybe green or possibly gray... with, uh, flames and rubber nipples on a batsuit... and he's gotta eat... Oh, and he damns Michael Bay. Bases covered?
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he's a sexy tomboy beanpole...they should get Hulk Hogan to play him as the baddie (Hermy, Brother!)...and he's been Cookin the Books...
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I don't understand why so many adults are into Harry Potter. It is for little boys and girls. No one over 14 should bother with this series.
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How could I forget?
Unfortunately, most arguments for Sirius are really "I want him back so {insert loophole here}." I don't mean to sound like a dick, but... he's gone. Lupin said it and I am pretty sure he knows his stuff.
Undoing these deaths would back-track on Harry's emotional development. As I said, Rowling really seems to be saying that when you live your life well and face your end nobly and heroicly that death is not to be feared. It comes for everyone in time. Even Mr and Mrs Flammell (sp?). -
See? Someone else stating opion as fact? What is that?
strosmer, have you read them or are you assuming? If you are assuming, I understand, I made that mistake about 5 years back.
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Though he might have just been thinking about a Hermione/Ginny threesome. Perv.
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(Ironic name much?) I agree. My post was sarcastic. The trailer looks great, by the way.
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Was was the proverbial mutts nuts, that was.
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yes. boring. repetitive. CGI jerk-offs.
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Legacy works for me. I also think his death will inspire something really big in Harry. Anyone else wondering if Aberforth Dumbledore is Albus' twin brother? Wouldn't it be cool if he dressed up as Albus and scared the bejesus out of Voldemort? BTW I am so glad some of you here believe the whole murder of D by S was a setup by D. Everyone I know thinks I am nuts
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I've rethought my position on this series thanks to your insight.
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And this better be rated NC-17.
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and Nick Frost as Slughorn but he is too young actually, bah bring Simon Pegg then!! The trailer it's awesome but wait to see the film. And not all of the talkbackers are old people BringingsexyBack!!!
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Seriously. And Robert Carlyle, too. He needs some redemption to wash the stink of ERAGON off of him.
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She's so cute.
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I want Nighy in Harry Potter but I want him to appear as Billy Mack from Love, Actually.
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is he dancing in the middle of the battle? just check it after the quick scene of Helena Bonham Carter with her wand move, by the way she still looks atractive even with a crazy expresion. I love her.
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The kid who wrote the book was 17. He got it published because his parents own a publishing company. The story was like a combination of Star Wars + LOTR. Even some names were similar. The film's only saving grace Jeremy Irons was *SPOILER* killed off.
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To clear up what I meant...Jeremy Irons was saving grace of Eragon. His death in the movie completely made the film suck worse for me.
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...reading all these comments like KATIE LEUNG is GORGEOUS and the one that takes the cake, "I wanna see Emma Watson's tits". What nice group of pedophiles we got here on the TBs.
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...but you aint Saint Taint!
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it makes me sick, there are some young people here in the talkbacks too (hellooo), that have to bare this garbagetalk. A shame really.
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Or will they be using practical effects to pull it off..
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Legal girls rock. Sirius is dead, dammit.Aberforth has been in the Order all along and will fill Harry in on Dumbledore's Sandman-level suicide. Kids and threesomes mix like cunnilingus and razorwire-it doesn't. BSB is into GMILFs which I don't concur with but hey- at least she's legal-you go boy. Acid freaks watch Boobah, most of the people over 21 here know the story of Spidey's black suit and even possibly could tell me what the M-Cron Crystal and what it has to do with Jean Grey,and how many of us has actually enjoyed Lego Star Wars games? Kids stuff is relative so go fuck yourself with the dildo knife from Se7en if you think you're higher and mighter than anyone else for enjoying what you percieve as childrens entertainment. Strosmer you KNOW you're a hypocrite, don't pomp and flair for our benefit- someone who didn't CARE about kids stuff like Harry Potter wouldn't even click the link to take you here.Two minutes of Natalia Tena as Tonks is better than entire movie with Jessica Simpson.....SEX
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With Shia Labeouf as the wacky taint's sidekick.
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The was a fire on the set of The Dark Knight in Chicago earlier today. Onlookers thought it was part of the movie but it wasn't!
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Cheech and Chong are in the new Batman movie?? The Dark Knight Up In Smoke?
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You were fucking Shia Labouf in the ass.
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I'm BringingDumbledoreBack, you sons of whores! Is Shia mentioned in EVERY TB. If not it should be law. He should be mentioned, as should FAKE JOKER FACE, cooked books, the villain as a fucking cloud, flames on Batsuit nipples that got drunk and cheated on their wives with Hulk Hogan. Movies are dead.
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... is any indication, it's actually a very big turnout. Like erm...a horse, actually.
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And Hulk Hogan should play Harry Potter's long lost uncle in the inevitable Harry Potter 8 1/2: The Smell of Taint!
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12' 5'' erect. Does that make her a......?????
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and love the "all great wizards" part
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..but that that trailer just fucked me over into the middle of next week!!! Damn, that looked cooler than a snow-mans cold bits!!!!
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kids and ladies... but I have gotten used to the graphic and disgusting posts here. It is to be expected. They sort of make the intelligent guys seem more gentlemanly.
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Anyone?
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If that were so, I'm sure he'd be singing "Killed By Death", or maybe "Killed by Death Eaters". "If you squeeze my lemon I'll put my snake on you!....But it don't make no difference cause I ain't gonna be easy-easy-the olny time I'm gonna be easy is when I'm KILLED BY DEATH (eaters) KILLED BY DEATH (eaters) KILLED BY DEATH (eaters) HAHAHAHAHA!!!!!" Imagine Gary Oldman riding out of a freshly dug grave on a big assed motorcycle with those bad-assed apehanger handlebars. That would fucking rule! Somebody call Air Traffic Control...Hermy and her avionic eyebrows are ready for takeoff!
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aka Ginny Weasley is going to be a real P.O.A...and I don't mean Azkaban, either!
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I thought that WAS the very first moral introduced in the HP series. Cheating is bad (Slytherin), unless you are popular and likable (Gryffindor). Didn't they even put that in the movies? Dumbledore rewarding the Gryffindor kids for breaking all the rules and completely shafting Slytherin out of the House Cup? -
Is probably the coolest part of the Harry Potter world. Unfortunately the books don't really have much of it, but for those that don't know, this book has the most dueling in it than any of the others. The final climax is exciting and it's all dueling.
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Sadly, I am much older and it looks only marginally entertaining and very contrived.
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Are you really that emotionally stunted, or are you just afraid to admit you like something that's so popular with people who actually spend time in daylight?
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Bet he won't see his magic wand in quite the same light after that...
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Gambon's Dumbledore is superior to Harris's, sorry but it's true
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The hilarious thing is I see you in almost every single Harry Potter TalkBack. You're almost as much of a staple of my moviegoing experience as the films themselves. You think a man of breeding and taste like yourself would've realized they're wasting their time fretting over such sophomoric entertainment and given up by now. Or maybe you're just another impotent nerd who fumbles for some sort of status by insulting the films other people like/don't like online.
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some of the best fantasy films to come out in a long time.
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i can never get the goddamn yahoo trailers to work, fuckers
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I much prefer Gambon to Richard Harris. Yes Harris is a legend, but his health was so poor he seemed way to frail to me to really be Dumbledore.
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kept all of the young actors. Have to say though part of me is sad to see the tone get so dark, but, inevitable I guess.
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less cartoonish than Harris. His Dumbledore is a major improvement in my book as well.
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jesus! i may have just had a petit mal seizure! slow it down a bit. my fave HP trailer is still the one for azkaban, which was so foreboding.
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I have to agree with hatramroany. I can understand the reservations about Gambon, but I don't agree that Harris was a perfect Dumbledore. He played the straight-up kindly grandfatherly wizard perfectly but Dumbledore is (was) more than that. Gambon plays up the more spritely side of Dumbledore that Harris never came close to tapping into. Gambon's scenes at the end of POA are probably the closest anyone has come to getting the character--his "Did what?" response followed by him humming as he walks away is Dumbledore to a tee.
As for Goblet, I see why people would think the more frustrated/angry side of Dumbledore does not fit the character, but I think that was a decision made by the filmmakers--not Gambon's. Newell et al clearly wanted to convey a sense of danger and uncertainty, and I think that's why Hermione and Dumbledore are both portrayed as high-strung and stressed throughout the film. It makes sense: if Dumbledore is all-knowing, then he screws up big time by being dumb enough to allow the Tri-Wizard Tournament to go on as the Death-Eaters are regrouping. But if he's more uncertain about what's going on (and, as Snape says, makes the decision to "let events unfold") then its more understandable why he does what he does, and the film is more tense. So, I wouldn't fault Gambon for scenes like DBD running at Harry after the Goblet drawing.
Having said that, I think GOF is the only film to really capture the centrality of Dumbledore to Hogwarts. We see more of him and more sides of him than in any other film, and I think it works. The worried/caring look that Gambon conveys as Harry walks into the maze is pure Dumbledore. -
we need to mention him ALL THE TIME FOR NO REASON. he was just quoted as saying the reviews on this site are the ONLY ones he cares about, so let's give the guy what he wants. ps michael gambon is a magical actor. richard harris was a dear old guy but gambon's dumbledore is, indeed, vital and complex in a way i'm not sure harris' ever would have been over many years.
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He seemed decrepid and tired in Chamber of Secrets. And yeah, he was dying, but the heart was just not there like in the first film. He had the perfect look, voice.
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New trailer for Order of the Phoenix announced on AINC is proven to be a fake. Check it out and much more at SuperHeroHype.com.
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It's been hours and hours...is it really THAT slow of a day??? (and herc's list of amazon links don't count)
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it was god awful. maybe the worst movie of all time. well eragon was really bad too but somewhat funny.
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A tad over the top in the ick department to me with Fiennes.
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My God, how did you come up with such an amazing revelation? I don't think anyone could ever imagine RAB could be Regulus Black. I mean, it makes no sense!
(go back to the chapter in OOTP when they are cleaning up Grimmauld Place for what I think is pretty irresponsibly transparent confirmation of that theory...just sayin'. and that said, this probably means damn JK is referring to someone completely different ;))
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Bank on it.
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Can't wait to see this movie. Anybody know how I can download the file? I've tried, but I can't...
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Anyone who refers to Quicktime as "glorious" is a freakin' nerd. Sex is glorious. A beautiful tropical isle is glorious. Quicktime does not compare to those two items. Therefore, anyone who refers to Quicktime as "glorious" is not only nerdy but highly unoriginal. Just try this little exercise: next time you want to refer to Quicktime as "glorious" grab a hammer and smack yourself in the skull. (And that goes for you too, Harry.)
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its amazing that there are still morons on these boards that say "harry potter is for kids" "no one over 14 should care" all that proves is that u never read the books or seen any of the movies.... theyre very dark and very adult for a so-called kids thing...that is the appeal to adults....and if one more person says theyre looking foward to RUSH HOUR 3 please shoot me...those movies are the biggest pieces of crap to come out of hollywood...id sooner want to see bad boys .....and i do agree that miss watson gets hotter by the year, cant wait for the first topless scene in a future movie or a hot playboy spread...
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Worst part of the book. Lame lame lame.
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missed in the movies, that's for sure.
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and I am so glad the S.P.E.W was cut in GOF.
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Just announced! OMFG!!!
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I don't like Grawp or Dobby, either.
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I'm disappointed that they put pretty much the entirity of Sirius' death in the trailer. Other than that it looks pretty badass.
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I'm always trumpeting Yates' Girl in a Cafe with Bill Nighy and Kelly MacDonald. Amazing film, great direction, great acting, great music. Kinda makes me wish Bill Nighy was Dumbledore. He'd be perfect. Though he did do the old man with the beard thing in the Hitchhiker's movie, one of the few great things about that disappointing film. And oh yeah, this movie looks awesome, set to blow that boring Goblet of Fire movie out of the water.
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I much prefer Gambon's performance to the one Harris gave. Don't get me wrong, I liked Harris in the role, but I agree with those that pointed out that in CS he looked an inch from death. Harris had the protective grandfather type down perfectly, but Gambon manages the sly, quirky, mischievous aspect of the character much better than Harris did. I've always said that a merger of Harris and Gambon would have been the absolute perfect Dumbledore.
I think another part of me doesn't like Harris as much in the part because I read how much he detested being in the films. I don't know why I should care about this, as it's really rather unimportant, but for some reason this fact just detracts from his performance every time I watch it. I also feel the same way now when I watch Alec Guiness in Star Wars, knowing how much he hated being associated with the franchise. -
Although I felt that the last movie took a slight dip qualitywise compared to POA, it more than made up for it in scope, visuals and the setting up of this chapter. Like someone previously said, this book needed the most editing so it may have a chance of being an amazing movie if the right things have been omitted. If the course is held until the end of the series, these films will make a fantastic viewing experience watched in order.
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Excellent point, which is why I think there is a possibility that this one may get back-tracked as well... But I still doubt it, highly. She seems genuinely serious about this one (whatever that means, I suppose). But you ARE correct that school shenanigans (sp?) seem to be punished on a sliding scale, much of the time, even beyond the infamous 'Harry Filter'.
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are punished more than enough in OOTP. Makes up for years of getting off light. Also, since Rowling had no idea when she finished the first book if she'd be able to write another, she felt the need to be overly generous to Harry and friends in the ending. One of the reasons it remains the weakest one.
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Yet you say, "the turquoise lighting in the bridge of BATTLE BEYOND THE STARS' enemy warship comes to mind". Anyone who remembers oh film of the BOOB (or Great Rack!) ship is surely nerdy enough.
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You are on fucking crack. Not just "crack", but "fucking crack". As in, you smoke crack and get fucked up and then post on AICN. It's the only logical explanation. Okay, okay I'll make a real, albeit brief, rebuttal, re: Gambon vs Harris. You simply cannot say Harris made/would have made a better Dumbledore based on PREVIOUS films of his. All I care about is his performances in the two Harry Potter films he was in. In those, he was a tired, frail, old old man. Yes he was classy and decent, but could you believe Voldemort would be scared of the Dumbledore from the first 2 flicks? I could have sneezed near him and he would have died. The spark of mischief and the slightly "off" manner have been with Dumbledore since book 1 and Gambon plays it perfect.
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If we are talking about playing it in the manner in which Dumbledore was written. Harris' gentler, subtler yet mischievious style is closer to that than Gambon's boisterous, audacious and somewhat beligerent portrayal. It's a miscasting and you can like it all you want but you can't sensibly argue it's anything like what Rowling wrote.
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Apr 25, 2007 11:39:24 AM CDT
I don't believe Voldemort would be afraid of Gambon's
by excaliburffolkes
Dumbledore. Not one bit. I don't believe first year students would be afraid of him, either, except of that maybe he'd physically assualt them or something. Harris' Dumbledore, though somewhat flawed, at least hinted at great power and intelligence lying beneath the grandfatherly exterior. Gambon's Dumbedore, on the other hand, just looks thoruoughly weak and befuddled. Gambon is a fine actor, but he was miscast. Then again, he makes a perfect bizzaro Dumbledore for the bizzaro Harry Potter the movie series has become, so maybe he was perfectly cast after all.
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goddamn guys, they both have old taints! Just be glad they didn't cast Tim Curry- ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN ON HALLOWEEN! fuckers
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Even though I hated him in the GOF movie he does have a stylin' suit in the OOTP preview. What the hell is that anyway? That wasn't in the book.
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"Then again, he makes a perfect bizzaro Dumbledore for the bizzaro Harry Potter the movie series has become, so maybe he was perfectly cast after all." That tells me all I need to know about your opinions. But Cameron1 and anch, tho you are on crack, good points.
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I tend to think that Gambon would be fine as Dumbledore under the right direction. He was perfect in the mischievous role that Cuaron set out for him in PoA. In that film, he was more of a human McGuffin than anything else. Gambon made an otherwise thankless role work. In GoF, I argue that he was poorly directed. Again, he didn't have much to do but react, and it just seemed like he had nothing to work with and didn't quite know what to do with the character except bluster. Now Dumbledore's character in OotP and the next book is crucial - especially the scene where Harry trashes his office. We'll see how he does there. If you've ever seen The Cook, The Thief, his Wife and her Lover (when Helen Mirren was at the peak of her hotness), you know Gambon can be menacing and freakin' scary - someone who would have Voldemort crapping in his robes. So I tend to think with the right director caring about character and story more than just making a video game movie (like GoF), Gambon can pull it off. I'd like to think Yates is that director.
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Apr 25, 2007 2:49:18 PM CDT
Yes precisely, that I have great incite which you...
by excaliburffolkes
...should heed, Shigeru.
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where Dumbledore is described as acting not quite himself and out of sorts and I believe it's Hagrid that even says something to the effect of "I've never seen him this upset". That being the case, I think it is less an issue of Gambon playing it wrong in the movie... and more that the scenes of the book where he's all wonky-acting ALL made it into the movie... while many of him as more docile and grandfatherly... didn't. And I still don't think he shakes Harry or "slams him against a wall" as some have claimed. He grabs Harry by the shoulders and Harry starts to trip backwards and Dumbledore pulls him back up straight.
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For the fact that Dumbledore isn't supposed to be overly emotional, as portrayed in the books. When he does emote -- cry, start acting like a child (Book 6) -- it's supposed to freak you out. The gravity of those moments has already sort of been punctured by Gambon's roid rage* in the last film. He was the perfect Dumbledore in 'Azkaban,' and there were glimmers of it in 'Goblet,' but for the most part his portrayal has deviated from the way the character was depicted in the books, at least in my opinion (which I am fairly okay with, just saying). I imagine Dumbledore as being benign and mischievious, occasionally troubled, but mostly an ocean of serenity. It's hard to tell how much of that Harris was doing intentionally; calling him "humorous" would probably be a little bit on the generous side. So it's not like Harris was spot-on or anything. But I do think the most important aspect of Dumbledore's character is his calm, or his reliability, as it were -- evidenced by the fact that he was the ultimate "father figure" of Harry's that Rowling subverted in the series (unless you count Snape). And again, climactic moments in both "Order of the Phoenix" and "Half-Blood Prince" involve Harry actually seeing Dumbledore emote strongly, which makes me think it's something that's not supposed to happen often. The problem lies with Newell, to an extent -- I'm sure, as some people have said, that he wanted to prove Harry was in danger by having Dumbledore be all aggravated and tense over the Tri-Wizard-Jiggee. He didn't necessarily have to go so over-the-top with it, but fine. I get that. I also think some blame lies with Gambon due to the simple fact that he hasn't read the books, and refuses to on top of that. He (apparently) thinks that the script should be the only thing that informs an actor's performance -- which is all well and good, but as the world of Harry Potter has a huge ensemble cast, a lot of characters don't get as much attention as they arguably require. So for people who have read the books beforehand, his performance seems off. That's just my take on it. But keep in mind that I just smoked crack.
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Agreed and I might add your description of Dumbledore's alleged assult on Harry fits what I thought I saw as well (tho, we seem to be in a minority there).
As I have said (in a previous talkback, I think), Gambon is not exactly the Dumbledore I read, but I find his version to be entertaining and certainly a valid variation. Harris was so spot on that I honestly found it a bit uninteresting as he gave me nothing that the books hadn't already (Coletrane's Hagrid can do the same... had similar problems with Patrick Stewart as Prof. X). Gambon, at least, keeps me on my toes. -
as a little mercurial. A good guy, but mercurial in the same way as Gandalf is, there is more going on there than is obvious. Gambon portrays this better than Harris - STRAIGHT UP!
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about not reading the books. You have to act what's on the page, not what you imagine the character might be from another source. It's not the actor's job to read the books. It's the job of the writer and the director to get the character 'right' in the script. The actor works from what the script and the director tell him. If he tried to be at odds with those things, then that would be a very tense set indeed.
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I agree with you, to an extent. But that's where I think the disparity between what the fans expect and what they actually get on-screen comes from.
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I didn't know about that, it strikes me as lazy. It's based on a literary character - it's an adaptation, not an original work.
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Apr 26, 2007 8:35:30 AM CDT
Beyond being a jerk, it's arrogant idiocy on Gambon's..
by excaliburffolkes
...part. Even if your intention is to heavily alter a character you need to have a working familiarity with the source material to form a basis of judgement as to which things you're going to change. Otherwise, you are no longer adapting but rather randomly making things up from scratch as you go along (something of which the latter Harry Potter movies have suffered far too much of).
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Apr 26, 2007 8:43:26 AM CDT
If I were in charge of making an adaptation the first
by excaliburffolkes
...question I'd ask everyone who wanted to be invovled in the project from the director to the actors to the set decorators to the make up people to the costume designers etc. etc. is are you familiar with the source material and can you prove it to me by answering a few questions. Anyone who wasn't familiar with the source material (and particularly anyone who was against the enitre concept of being familiar with it) would be immediately asked ot leave and would in no way be involved in the production. Period.
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...Is an older man and a professional actor. While it may do him some good, he may simply not feel his life has room to read children's books (however good they are) when the actual script he'll need to do his job off of is readily available. Again, let me say that I think he SHOULD, but I can understand why he has not.
Such a move seemed to benefit Ian McKellen who had not read LotR prior to landing the role of Gandalf. HOWEVER, LotR has a rep as an English Classic, where as HP is regarded as (merely) highly popular kid's stuff (rightly or wrongly). -
...regarding actors not wanting to be bothered to read the source material. Your getting paid millions (or at least hundreds of thousands) of dollars for your services yet you're too freaking lazy to read a book?!
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Well, there are definitely two schools of thought about acting here. There are some people, especially when it comes to Shakespeare, who believe that 'it's all on the page.' Did Shakespeare's actors research the myth of Pyramus and Thisbe? Or the Hollinshed Chronicles? I think not. Some people believe that method acting is bullshit, that the actor's experience and imagination are all that is necessary, while others believe in research, research, research. It's Laurence Olivier vs. Dustin Hoffman in Marathon Man. Behind the scenes, in reaction to Hoffman's 'research', Olivier says something like "Have you ever tried just acting, son?"
I stick to my guns that you might not like Gambon for his choice, but it's still a valid choice to trust your director and screenwriter and be faithful to THEIR vision. That's what he's getting paid to do. Rowling isn't his boss. The fans aren't his boss. The director and Warner Bros. are. -
...you can pretty much get away with anything you want. For everyone else, not so much. (And Gambon isn't in Olivier's league. Don't make me laugh.) Since you brought it up, most major play productions use expert researchers called dramaturgists to provide background material for the actors so that they know the background facts, obscure references, hidden meanings, etc. written in by the playwright pertinent to their performance. Stage acting isn't nearly as wide open and from the hip as you argue. Furthermore, no one is denying that the director and studio are the bosses or that Gambon shouldn't listen to them, only that he (and others like him) make a bad choice in not becoming at least marginally familiar with the material their characters are derived from. As they teach young artists in college, you have to know the rules before you can set out to break them.
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I am not saying I agree with Gambon's choice not to read the books, I'm saying his mistake is an understandable one for a man his age.
And has been stated... Reading the original books is NOT his job. When you consider the disparity between book and script (ranging from subtle to WTF), one can see that there are limits. What IS his job is the SCRIPT.
Still, it might do him some good.
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