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Hey, everyone. ”Moriarty” here.

So I assume you’ve seen this already.

I’m not sure how that’s any different than what we’ve been hearing since even before SPIDER-MAN 2 came out, but some people in talkback seem to think it’s “breaking news,” so there you go.

What I’m fascinated by right now is the huge range of reactions we’re hearing as reviews for SPIDER-MAN 3 come in right now. The trades went head-to-head today, with The Hollywood Reporter pretty much gushing, while Variety could barely restrain their (pardon me) venom.

Even among our readership, presumably the exact audience that this film is supposed to reach, there seems to be a divide already springing up. One friend of mine IM’d me last night to compare it to BATMAN FOREVER, while another friend could barely catch his breath as he described everything he loved about it.

Check out these two reviews for a sense of what I’m talking about:

Hi, Harry. I lucked into a L.A. press screening of Spidey 3 and figured I'd pass my thoughts along. In short, it's a worthy entry in the series...although I think most will agree that it's also the most flawed.

The first half of this film is pitch-perfect...better than Spider-man 2. All the characters are in top form and all the action/drama/comedy works beautifully. But major problems surface in the last half when it all comes together. Eddie Brock/Venom is completely shoe-horned into the film as fan service (I heard Avi Arad forced it on Raimi). The film has way too much on its plate, so many subplots and characters come up short in the end. It's still the first good comic book franchise to get to #3 (sorry fanboys, X3 was soulless crap). Here's a rundown:

What works:

The action: Pretty obvious. Raimi knows how to stage chaos.

Peter-Harry relationship - Perfect. It's the real soul of the movie. Gives us everything we ever wanted after the end of Spidey 2.

Peter-MJ relationship - I never fully bought it in the first two films. We got a lot from Peter, but not much from MJ. Here it's believable on both sides. Good stuff.

The Sandman - A great villain! Thomas Haden Church gives him a real emotional edge. Sandman's birth scene is actually quite beautiful. Even the whole "Uncle Ben killing" angle (which I hated from the previews) worked pretty well in the final product.

The "Oddball Apartment Girl": Screw Dunst, I had a serious thing for the cute manager's daughter in Spidey 2. Personal preference. Glad she's back.

What doesn't work:

The pacing: Everything moves perfectly until the third act of the film, then its a mad-dash to wrap it all up.

Eddie/Venom - Short-changed beyond belief. This was a subplot that needed its own movie, pure and simple.

Gwen Stacy - Why the hell is she here? To make MJ jealous, I guess. They set her up like she's an important character and she just disappears from the movie.

Emo Peter - For the most part, Peter's dark side was well handled, but there are moments when Raimi goes way too over-the-top with it. Especially when it comes to the jokes.

Overall, I enjoyed it. There are serious problems, sure, but we also get some of the best moments in the franchise. Fans should be happy.

Call me Sirand.

The “Dark Peter” stuff is what I’m hearing the most complaints about. But this next guy... he doesn’t hold back at all. Check this out:

Hey Aintitcool…Dojo here. I attended a press screening of Spiderman 3 tonight at the Grove in LA Thursday night and all I can say is…

…I need to be consoled… I need to be held… I feel so alone… so cold… so betrayed… so misled…

…by the creators of Spiderman 3.

He danced? Venom died? Harry’s Butler saved the day? What film did I just watch? What monstrosity did I just witness?

I am a film geek and a comic geek- but above all- I am a Spiderman geek. I started drawing comics myself because of Spidey, I met Stan Lee when I was 9 at a bookstore in DC and had him sign my Marvel Universe book “Excelsior!”. I was Spiderman 3 years in a row for Halloween and consider him to be my favorite hero of all time.

Spidey means the world to me- and my world crumbled tonight. The film had some wonderful moments don’t get me wrong. I agree with a lot of the positives listed in some of the reviews above. Franco was awesome, Dunst even brought it, Bryce was beautiful- and Topher as Brock was great…but as Venom, was far from convincing. They didn't even have him refer to himself as plural...and his voice wasn't alien or snakelike- it was just Topher Grace's voice. So it was like "Hey, you wanna kill Spiderman? I'm just a dude!"

They took what should've been a GIANT inner conflict within Peter Parker and watered it down to a Saturday Night Fever throwback of Pete walking down the street snapping his fingers and oh yeah, the aforementioned dance number.

I've always had a problem with the cheese level Raimi has brought to certain scenes- and people always say "But Spiderman always had a sense of humor!". I'm talking about a sense of humor...I'm talking about a DANCE NUMBER in the MIDDLE OF SPIDERMAN 3.

That's how they chose to portray his cockiness? His newfound arrogance?

The symbiote was taking over and turning his heart cold in the comics...it was rendering him ruthless, it was convincing him that his darkest desires were right and just- and in the film...HE DANCES!!! Oh yeah, and accidentally hits MJ. He also takes out Sandman (or sort of almost takes out Sandman...but not really cuz he's Sand...man...

AND...AND! Ben was killed by Sandman, right on- toss that in last minute for good measure. Take back the engine we've been running on, PETE'S been running on for years now- just to make us care a little more about this villain even being in the film. I call BS on that claim, Sandman killed Ben by accident...BS! This is Spiderman people, not Days of our Lives.

Oh but Venom dies, yes Sandman stays alive to be forgiven by Peter (great message however severely out of place when tacked on to the end of a poorly constructed mess of a film). Venom however goes out...and goes out like a B! When will filmmakers learn? This is an entire universe you are
messing with. Just because you are the current team in charge of the franchise- doesn't mean you can muck about and re-arrange just to make your version of what millions know to be true. Don't kill the biggest arch-nemesis a character has. Put him away, lock him in Arkham (Batman
style) but don't incinerate a villain who was only onscreen for ten minutes anyway.

VENOM. Dear VENOM. I'm sorry you weren't scary, I'm sorry you weren't even imposing. I'm sorry they reduced all that you are to virtually nothing. I'm sorry you went out in a non-descript construction site. I'm sorry they didn't give Eddie enough depth and back story to really create a true
enemy. I'm so sorry. I can only hope that in ten years there can be a re-boot of the franchise under the guidance of someone who believes that what the comics have done needs to be watched and read closely.

This movie had all the makings of a bad Soap Opera, memory loss, love triangles, supposed deaths- cheesy jazz clubs with bad extras filling out the background.

Who the F was Bernard? Could the writer not think of ANY OTHER WAY to exonerate Pete in Harry's eyes? Seriously, expositional character number 103

Bernard : You know Harry, I don't talk much...but when I do...it's because I need to tell you that Peter didn't kill your Father...I know this- you didn't know this?

Harry : Sweet- I'll go help Spidey now, thanks random dude!

Done and Done. Screenwriting 101.

I liked the way Harry and Peter were going at each other early on in the film, the rivalry- the lies, the relationship sabotage- that had great depth and momentum to it. They just didn't go anywhere with it, they just let it fizzle and sputter to nothing.

The audience I saw it with was let down. No claps, no whistles when Venom came on the screen- well a few claps, that quickly died out in dismay.

When the film ended, there was an air of "that's it?" filling the auditorium. People shuffled out heads hung low, no one's mind blown- no one's faith restored, no one's excitement level beyond the excitement they had to tell their friends they saw Spiderman 3 way early.

I love Sam Raimi, I really do. I wanted to love this film, I really did. But I cannot deny how many wrong decisions this team made from a technical perspective, a story perspective, and a creative perspective in how they tried to illustrate this story arc.

I hope that people see through the fanfare- and can be honest with themselves as comic fans and as Spidey fans- that while Peter may have forgiven Ben's murderer for what he did...we should NOT forgive what these filmmakers have done to these wonderful characters.

-Sincerely, Dojo

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First
by zohar18
Apr 20th, 2007
09:54:39 PM
S3
by SoonerSean
Apr 20th, 2007
10:21:00 PM
It's just a movie dude...
by Tarl_Cabot
Apr 20th, 2007
10:22:18 PM
Third
by darthbinks1220
Apr 20th, 2007
10:24:06 PM
Third
by darthbinks1220
Apr 20th, 2007
10:24:24 PM
Not too late yet to save it with a marvellous scene
by JackPumpkinhead
Apr 20th, 2007
10:26:04 PM
Eddie Brock
by fluffybunnywhiskers
Apr 20th, 2007
10:27:46 PM
Nice
by Holden MaGroin
Apr 20th, 2007
10:32:09 PM
Sounds about right.
by superninja
Apr 20th, 2007
11:04:15 PM
All part threes suck...
by Cory849
Apr 20th, 2007
11:32:48 PM
Spidey 4-6
by Style_92
Apr 21st, 2007
12:16:29 AM
Return of the Jedi
by SithMenace
Apr 21st, 2007
12:19:34 AM
I LIKED BACK TO THE FUTURE PART III
by wackybantha
Apr 21st, 2007
12:22:27 AM
Nosferatu Jones...
by Style_92
Apr 21st, 2007
12:24:20 AM
And please
by SithMenace
Apr 21st, 2007
12:36:43 AM
Um... the alien suit did not cause Spidey to be naughty
by W3bzpinn3r
Apr 21st, 2007
12:37:43 AM
Gwen Stacy
by ebrown2112
Apr 21st, 2007
12:42:32 AM
Shit... and Raimi is about to confirm 4, 5 and 6...
by Freefinger
Apr 21st, 2007
12:51:33 AM
HAHA
by T 1000 xp professional
Apr 21st, 2007
01:01:36 AM
Plan 9 from Outer Space
by SithMenace
Apr 21st, 2007
01:12:24 AM
Still can't Wait
by dark4666
Apr 21st, 2007
01:14:34 AM
pretty sad
by lionbiu
Apr 21st, 2007
01:34:40 AM
three, then wait
by Mr Gorilla
Apr 21st, 2007
01:38:04 AM
fuck Variety
by oisin5199
Apr 21st, 2007
01:41:41 AM
spidey sense in my pants
by jingle_balls
Apr 21st, 2007
01:46:18 AM
Enough about the action...what about Mary Jane?
by BurnHollywood
Apr 21st, 2007
02:12:31 AM
New Goblin
by Style_92
Apr 21st, 2007
02:24:14 AM
Die Hard With a Vengence was a third...
by Poisonouskid
Apr 21st, 2007
03:44:46 AM
Target Audience is general public, not comic experts
by Vansmack13
Apr 21st, 2007
04:03:53 AM
Second review is harsh but 100% fair
by Fuck The Napkin
Apr 21st, 2007
04:18:46 AM
What's wrong with a dance number?
by Brendon
Apr 21st, 2007
04:52:37 AM
Saw it on Wed..The 2nd review is totally right on
by opa-opa
Apr 21st, 2007
04:58:29 AM
Dojo nailed it
by Sheeld
Apr 21st, 2007
05:20:04 AM
Yes!!
by John Cornell
Apr 21st, 2007
06:30:57 AM
fuck the fanboy
by misnomer
Apr 21st, 2007
06:32:37 AM
Cool.
by livrule
Apr 21st, 2007
06:47:18 AM
But it can't flop: Kirsten Dunst is in it.
by Pound Sand
Apr 21st, 2007
07:19:03 AM
Yeah, a lot of it sounds like bitter fanboys...
by Logo Lou
Apr 21st, 2007
08:34:26 AM
"I am a Spiderman Geek" ... uhhh, no.
by Thunderbolt Ross
Apr 21st, 2007
09:58:06 AM
Um,
by SithMenace
Apr 21st, 2007
10:01:44 AM
Isn't it odd...
by IceMonkey
Apr 21st, 2007
10:10:22 AM
Interesting parallels w/Raimi & Schumacher
by OneManHairBand ATX
Apr 21st, 2007
10:16:58 AM
Not surprised
by SithScorp
Apr 21st, 2007
10:18:06 AM
Dark Peter = Dancing?
by Style_92
Apr 21st, 2007
10:31:55 AM
You can't screw this series up...
by 18to88
Apr 21st, 2007
10:32:02 AM
so they screwed venom "bane" style....
by silverdog
Apr 21st, 2007
11:05:59 AM
I FUCKING KNEW IT!!
by 1st and only
Apr 21st, 2007
11:44:44 AM
gotta take a stand
by 1st and only
Apr 21st, 2007
11:58:09 AM
Can't wait
by JacksParasites
Apr 21st, 2007
12:49:40 PM
Spoiler warnings would have been nice, Dojo.
by Warcraft
Apr 21st, 2007
01:05:19 PM
Batman Forever reeks.
by superninja
Apr 21st, 2007
01:06:24 PM
The Dancing Scene reminds me of the quirky
by superninja
Apr 21st, 2007
01:07:47 PM
VENOM WILL RETURN
by gride9000
Apr 21st, 2007
01:40:37 PM
JacksParasites is right
by gride9000
Apr 21st, 2007
01:46:00 PM
the second review is how I felt about the first one
by INWOsuxRED
Apr 21st, 2007
02:20:24 PM
Kirsten Dunst
by holidill
Apr 21st, 2007
03:02:28 PM
Thoughts
by Boromir187
Apr 21st, 2007
03:41:10 PM
gride9000
by Boromir187
Apr 21st, 2007
03:47:04 PM
So Venom dies
by hesh monster
Apr 21st, 2007
03:59:35 PM
FUCK SONY FUCK AVI
by christpunchers2007
Apr 21st, 2007
04:04:49 PM
I'm really confused to what people were expecting....
by seanny_d
Apr 21st, 2007
04:17:10 PM
Raimi ... Could he not just take one for the team?
by livrule
Apr 21st, 2007
05:17:41 PM
Please dont....
by avs28785
Apr 21st, 2007
05:42:24 PM
Venom may suck in this but....
by alienindisguise
Apr 21st, 2007
05:51:58 PM
Venom should have been saved for 4
by performingmonkey
Apr 21st, 2007
06:21:34 PM
Spiderman the Musical...
by idahomer
Apr 21st, 2007
06:21:59 PM
With a Geek Chorus
by idahomer
Apr 21st, 2007
06:28:10 PM
I'm still pulling for Tarantula in a SM4.
by Doctor_Sin
Apr 21st, 2007
06:56:49 PM
Joseph Gordon Levitt for Peter Parker
by Napoleon Park
Apr 21st, 2007
08:23:21 PM
"...and my world crumbled tonight."
by Sir Loin
Apr 21st, 2007
09:02:50 PM
This Movie Sounds Like It Will Be a Lot of Fun
by kevinwillis.net
Apr 21st, 2007
09:06:11 PM
None of the formatting stuff I saw Is Showing Up...
by kevinwillis.net
Apr 21st, 2007
09:07:52 PM
If I was making Spider-Man movies
by INWOsuxRED
Apr 21st, 2007
09:08:51 PM
I'm waiting for Angry Golfer, Frijole & kevinwillis.net
by Double-Oh
Apr 21st, 2007
09:10:55 PM
I wish comic fanboys would STFU!!!!
by pdennett316
Apr 21st, 2007
09:22:00 PM
Put Spidey on hold for awhile and do a Venom spin-off.
by KongMonkey
Apr 21st, 2007
09:54:03 PM
Fuck Raimi and Tobey! Prinze Jr should have been SPIDEY
by MerryHulkster
Apr 21st, 2007
10:02:44 PM
SONY Never wanted tobey to begin with they want Prinze
by MerryHulkster
Apr 21st, 2007
10:08:09 PM
Shia Lebeouf as Kraven
by canvasseamonkey
Apr 21st, 2007
10:11:36 PM
u know many females say Spidey sux cause Tobey's Ugly?
by MerryHulkster
Apr 21st, 2007
10:18:08 PM
yeah sexy back FPJ is Puertorican
by MerryHulkster
Apr 21st, 2007
10:55:30 PM
No sexyback it would have been great prinze is a Comic
by MerryHulkster
Apr 21st, 2007
11:00:21 PM
Dance Number = Raindrops Keep Falling...
by Christopher3
Apr 21st, 2007
11:03:37 PM
Raimi i think is a closet racist
by MerryHulkster
Apr 21st, 2007
11:05:05 PM
Spiderman has shot his load
by tygrus2000
Apr 21st, 2007
11:05:12 PM
uhhh
by Mr Bonefish
Apr 21st, 2007
11:09:30 PM
My god, you people are idiots.
by MonteCristo
Apr 21st, 2007
11:13:51 PM
Please Tygrus what Crak r u on? tobey needs2leave!!
by MerryHulkster
Apr 21st, 2007
11:15:56 PM
Tobey/Venom
by tygrus2000
Apr 21st, 2007
11:27:05 PM
I concur with you on that tygrus
by MerryHulkster
Apr 21st, 2007
11:38:10 PM
i agree style 92 Priorty 1 for spidey4!RECAST SPIDEY!
by MerryHulkster
Apr 21st, 2007
11:53:07 PM
Venom shot first and Sandman cheated on his wife ...
by W3bzpinn3r
Apr 21st, 2007
11:55:25 PM
who cares!...
by idahomer
Apr 22nd, 2007
02:13:11 AM
Stop going on about Batman Begins people.
by John Cornell
Apr 22nd, 2007
02:55:53 AM
John Cornell, you are an idiot
by bender7
Apr 22nd, 2007
03:12:56 AM
Sandman's 2nd defeat didn't make any sense
by opa-opa
Apr 22nd, 2007
03:18:13 AM
IT'S "SPIDER-MAN"!!!!!!!!!! NOT SPIDERMAN
by Sovikos
Apr 22nd, 2007
05:45:22 AM
Make it "300" style!
by couchtrip105
Apr 22nd, 2007
07:33:16 AM
It will be good...
by Blackkryptonite
Apr 22nd, 2007
08:00:56 AM
Well if these reviews are to be believed
by mukhtabi
Apr 22nd, 2007
08:45:13 AM
Jesus....
by JumpinJehosaphat
Apr 22nd, 2007
09:33:46 AM
Damn. Did you not hear me?
by MonteCristo
Apr 22nd, 2007
01:11:18 PM
Shia Labeouf as Kraven the Hunter's taint!
by Forestal
Apr 22nd, 2007
01:15:26 PM
I'm with MerryHulkster...
by Red Ned Lynch
Apr 22nd, 2007
04:55:07 PM
IMO Transformers WILL SUCK more than Sam Raimi
by Dorothys Taint Again
Apr 22nd, 2007
06:38:27 PM
Anyone read the interviews at SHH?
by Bass Ackwards
Apr 22nd, 2007
07:28:56 PM
Batman begins did take it self way too fucking serious!
by MerryHulkster
Apr 22nd, 2007
07:49:34 PM
The reasons Spiderman 3 SUCKED from the get-go...
by DallasGoodbar
Apr 22nd, 2007
08:37:11 PM
I still don't get how Raimi has no pull at all
by INWOsuxRED
Apr 22nd, 2007
08:58:22 PM
Spidey 3 is pretty fucking awesome
by slone13
Apr 22nd, 2007
09:19:23 PM
They're showing Spider-Man on TBD.
by superninja
Apr 22nd, 2007
09:28:34 PM
TBS, I mean.
by superninja
Apr 22nd, 2007
09:30:42 PM
Venom could not carry a whole movie. He is not
by superninja
Apr 22nd, 2007
09:35:29 PM
Harry and daddy Goblin are the two most
by superninja
Apr 22nd, 2007
09:36:23 PM
-"it all comes down to money".
by DoctorWho?
Apr 22nd, 2007
09:41:46 PM
nah, I liked the choice of Tobey
by BizarroJerry
Apr 22nd, 2007
09:55:46 PM
oh, and Batman Forever
by BizarroJerry
Apr 22nd, 2007
10:07:58 PM
Still say that Franco would've made a perfect Peter
by superninja
Apr 22nd, 2007
10:31:58 PM
Power Ranger Goblin was a damn shame.
by superninja
Apr 22nd, 2007
10:34:57 PM
Unity Festival and Macy Gray.
by superninja
Apr 22nd, 2007
10:54:14 PM
There is a some real vintage Raimi camera
by superninja
Apr 22nd, 2007
10:58:55 PM
And another thing, that "hot kiss" in the alley
by superninja
Apr 22nd, 2007
11:14:51 PM
"BITCH, PREDATOR WANTS YO PUSSY"
by Daddylonghead
Apr 22nd, 2007
11:25:40 PM
And the Aunt May hysteria scene when she's
by superninja
Apr 22nd, 2007
11:31:22 PM
MJ attempted to get raped
by INWOsuxRED
Apr 23rd, 2007
12:31:02 AM
I just won 2 tickets to the London premiere tonight
by Smashing
Apr 23rd, 2007
06:46:18 AM
We knew it--damn you Avi Arad
by Fecal Debris
Apr 23rd, 2007
07:41:59 AM
What's RIGHT with Batman Forever?
by Kid Z
Apr 23rd, 2007
07:43:33 AM
I love it when Fanboys become jaded...
by skycrapper
Apr 23rd, 2007
10:17:12 AM
easy- it is because people are basically sheep
by Lost Prophet
Apr 23rd, 2007
12:51:45 PM
Batman Begins was... "fine".
by Novaman5000
Apr 23rd, 2007
04:08:06 PM
I love how everyone is surprised that venom
by Novaman5000
Apr 23rd, 2007
04:11:26 PM
Grace and Franco were in london promoting the movie and
by emeraldboy
Apr 23rd, 2007
04:13:46 PM
DO NOT KILL VENOM!!!
by Drath
Apr 23rd, 2007
04:34:14 PM
venom cant die
by iwontwin
Apr 23rd, 2007
05:00:01 PM
I thought it was fucking brilliant.
by Smashing
Apr 23rd, 2007
06:27:19 PM
joblo.com has their review up:
by Forestal
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:18:04 PM
Venom had his own voice
by Smashing
Apr 23rd, 2007
08:35:33 PM
They are doing a 4-6
by allyousay
Apr 26th, 2007
01:01:15 AM
A fan-boy screening
by brassai2003
Apr 26th, 2007
01:22:46 PM

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