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Sweeeeeet New Trailer For THE BOURNE ULTIMATUM!
I never could get the international trailer to work for me a few weeks ago. I forget which site it was on, but the formatting kept fucking me around to the point that I finally just gave up and quit trying.
Someone just sent me a YouTube link to it, though, and it seems like it’s similar to the new trailer that Yahoo! premiered today, but not identical. I think the new trailer’s got a better second half and a kick-ass punchline.
"Listen very carefully to what I’m about to tell you. I remember. I remember everything."
I. Can’t. Wait.
Drew McWeeny, Los Angeles
Drew McWeeny, Los Angeles
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More shaky-cam ass-kickery.
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Greengrass can do no wrong, counting the days to this.
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Bourne looks great and so does The Simpsons. A great summer we have ahead.
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I love Matt Damon, great films, can't wait.
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Can't wait.
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"Now get in that car, and Fook off".
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"God will forgive them. He'll forgive them and allow them into Heaven. I can't live with that."
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just gets better and better
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This movie will kick mine, yours and everyone's ass. All hail Greengrass!
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I love the 'use anything that comes to hand' fighting techniques Bourne uses. I want to see him kill someone using a banana or a piece of cheese. I would go and see that film twice.
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I like this set of movies, its one of thoese movies thats not try super hard to impress or treat its audience like a bunch zombies by giving into mindless 45min action sequences just for the sake of it.
Bond in my opinion hit the ground hard with lack of story and was stupid in a ripping off the bounre series with its action.
I also like to have an ending for my bond films as i know what the characters all about i don't want to have to wait two films to know the fucking ending i'll leave that to lord of the rings and pirates of the long ass wait.
Anyway +1 for matt damon for not turning this into bullshit.
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.....stop ripping into Bond now its hot to do so..losers, there would be no Bourne without Bond, they all take from each other..morphing as they go along.
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There was a TINY hint of the hand to hand stuff getting out of hand for a Bourne film(the Hong Kong gymnastics crept in to one of the fights) but this is looking bloody brilliant. The first trailer should be burned at a stake in comparison to this one.
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I'm sorry but I thought the Paul Greengrass sequel, while not exactly sucking, was far inferior to the Doug Liman original...
Too much shaky cam bullshit and if you've seen the making-of, you know it's on purpose - for it's own sake - and I for one thought it detracted from the whole experience. Sprinkle in a little at the right moment and you have movie gold. Use it too liberally like this Greengrass hack, and you have an continually annoying distraction leaving you wondering does anyone know how to use a fucking camera and can you please hand the Panavision to THAT GUY!
Also the car chase was too long and got a little boring...
Having said all that, I'm glad they're getting another one out and I at least live in hope that Greengrass won't fuck it up. If Liman does more than pick up a big fat pay cheque for his producer credit on this one then we might just have ourselves a kick arse little film here... -
The beginning in goa was so sweet.
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To be sick.
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living up to my expectations, except this one. Whoever is in charge of casting all the supporting roles in the Bourne movies should get an extra large piece of the pie.
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Just so much style and formulaic to the point where it's all pretty much been done now, granted Casino Royale was a step in the right direction but the The Bourne series has far more density and depth of realism, a fresh identity, this crystalised with 'Supremacy', Greengrass knows the whole spy milieu, and...in the words of Carly Simon, 'no one does it better!'
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If you can't watch Greengrass's work and recognise a director in absolute control of his craft then you're better off sticking to Wayan Brothers' comedies and PG-13 remakes.
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Great line. They should use that as the tag-line on the poster. 'I remember everything' That sent chill's down my spine. Can't wait to see this movie. I made the foolish mistake of not seeing the first two on the big screen. I won't be making that mistake again.
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let's hope they don't fuck it up. the reason it works so well is that it is the anti-bay pic. no slo-mo shots of the hero outrunning fireballs here. no sirree! when bourne jumps off a bridge over the seine and into a barge below, he hurts the fuck out of his leg and limps. THAT is what sums up the bourne pics. he is batman to michael bay's superman.
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- Opening shot of snowy street, almost noir-looking (opening of CR)
- Marie gets gunned down in the passenger seat of a car, by bad guys, ala Tracy in On Her Majesty's Secret Service.
- Marie drowning in the water, ala Vesper (an homage to Tracy's attempted suicide in the beginning of the OHMSS novel & movie).
- Car acceleration sound as the action kicks in during the trailer (ripoff of Casino Royale Trailer)
- Bourne seemingly doing some freerunning (!)
- Stairwell Fight
- Fight in hallway near a stairwell
- Female doing her makeup in the mirror as Bourne looks on (ala Vesper)
- CIA lady (Pamela Landy) says "Bourne!", while at her desk on the phone, in an almost identical shot to M in Casino Royale.
And never mind that the whole idea of the series in the first place is a ripoff of the end of Ian Fleming's "You Only Live Twice" novel. -
Dare I say it looks like that may not be the case with this one? I actually saw a medium shot in that fight sequence in the trailer. I mean a medium shot, as opposed to the cameras mounted on the both guys' fists.
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The Bond reboot stole his mojo
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Opening shot of snowy street, almost noir-looking (opening of CR) - ignoring the fact that that scene is from Identity, filmed years before CR
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The whole Bourne ringing Pamela started in the Supremacy films... which is pre' Casino Royale.
To be honest I dont think Casino was anywhere near as good as either of the Bourne films. Bond should stick to wearing a Tux, being suave and saving the world by nobbing the bad-guy's hot wife/girlfriend, (its what he does and we love it). Leave Bourne to what Bourne does well.
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That had an opening shot of a snowy street. And that movie was like eating pussy or so I'm told. Bond movies have always copied the flavor of the month. Remember the blacksploitation Bond movie? Moonraker right after Star Wars? Casino Royale was just jumping on the "darker, grittier, meaner" trend that everything's taking now. Blame it on 9/11.
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great quotes for Dead Man's Shoes. Classic Film, You got to be careful not to mix the glass with the plastic!. Oh, Bourne Trailer looks good :)
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was fucking tight. Bourne is so awesome. Just awesome. I blindly walk into this one expecting the excellence of the first two films. The first two worked for me. Worked well in fact and held up too. I just watched them this weekend again. Yep, still cool flicks. I just can't jump on board with the shaky cam complaints. I see why some do not like it, but I like it. Guess I'm a putz. August 3rd, hurry up and get here already, will ya?
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That's also from an earlier, pre-Casino Royale movie. And as far as movie trailers go, yes, they all very easily fall into unoriginal cliches.
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Absolutely awesome.
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This series has about as much to do with the Bourne character and story as that fucking "Die Hard" 4 shit the other day. This entire film series is crafted on absolutely nothing. The whole, complete, entire plot of the Bourne trilogy [books] ends with the Bourne Ultimatum and a fight between two characters, but they can't even have that plot in the films because the first film used the smallest of sub plots from the first book, completely ignoring the central story and rivalry. This film should be called Bourne goes to Fightclub or some other crap. To paraphrase Tarantino; "THIS IS TOTAL BULLSHIT!" And so this film will be.
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I hope they tone down the shaky cam in this flick. The second was good but that got a bit annoying. And could there be a parkour sequence in this one? Or it could be just a leap from one building to another.
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Boy if Shatner as Kirk fought like Damon in these films who needs photon torpedos?
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Liked DOOM. Seriously. There's rarely a better example of Hollywood raping of source material than with the Bourne series. Man it pisses me off to see people saying they liked the first two films.
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can't wait
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Why is Bourne fighting like Tony Jaa now? The appeal of the first film's fight sets were the distinctive style. No parkour acrobatics. Tony Jaa and Parkour are great for other films, but Bourne Identity was cool because it was different in its own right.
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I agree that trailer was better than the first. The close proximity fighting flip (was it Bourne, or was it the other "superkiller"?), as well as Bourne's "I know everything" stood out for me. Pistolwhipper is right about the series being a travesty compared to the books, but somehow I'm not concerned about this anymore. The screenwriters have developed their own mythology for on-screen purposes, and, to me, Matt Damon carries it off nicely. Franka Potente too. Looking forward to this movie.
By the way, did anyone read Franka Potente is going to be on "The Shield" this season as an upcoming character? God, that show kicks ass. -
And I guess Kurt Russell's laughing.
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with Supremacy. I think the first two Bourne films are very close quality wise, but I think Supremacy is the tighter film, more interesting themes, etc. The first film is great up until Clive Owen gets killed, then it fumbles the ending a little bit. The action is hugely superior in Supremacy though, and it looks to be more of the same in Ultimatum. What a way to end the trailer though "I REMEMBER EVERYTHING!". Damn I'm excited. If I could choose just one film to see this summer, it would be this one. Thankfully, I don't have to choose and I can see them all! And Casino Royale was great, but it's still quite light in tone compared to the Bourne films, so different enough that they can exist side by side and both be enjoyed.
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Robot, Android, Artificial Person, Terminator, Synthetic, Bionic, Cyborg, Replicant, Automaton, Robotoid, Machine Soldier.
Perhaps, in this next installment - we will find out the truth! Then we'll all have to revisit the previous films to examine the "clues" - which have been there from the very beginning. -
Can they work that line in there somwehere? Jason Bourne may be the baddest 5'7" guy ever (well, except for maybe Jack Bauer). But he's definitely the toughest guy named Jason.
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It makes sense that the movies don't follow the books. If you've read them, you would know that the first and third books in the series feature the ultimate bad guy assassin as being Carlos the Jackal who was a real guy. By time these movies started coming out, he was serving life in prison I believe in France. There is a movie that was made in the 80s that is based on the first book and is pretty much spot on (despite a few shortcuts here and there). It's not that great but it is on DVD. If you have netflix you can use it.
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bring it home, Matt.We're all pulling for you!
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I have read the books and it's the point that the first and third are about the Jackal that I'm getting at. How can you have a third when there was no first? This is not the Bourne Ultimatum. It should, as the other films, be called something else. It's bullshit.
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...as soon as The Bourne Identity came out, all the Bond movies immediately looked even sillier than they already were. I think they're unwatchable now. The Bond reboot was inevitable after that -- change or die. I loved all the touches of realism in The Bourne Identity -- automatically snatching the fire escape plan from the wall; asking if she took care of her car as he knows the chase is about to go down, etc. The ruthlessness of killing Clive Owen -- you get this stuff over with as quickly as possible -- it was fantastic. Probably the only thing that doesn't work is that he didn't drown in the very beginning, but if you can buy that part, the rest is easy. Damon's done a great job keeping this thing grounded, let alone what physical training he's gone through to do some of the stuff he does. Kudos. This is the summer movie I'm looking forward to the most.
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Apr 20, 2007 10:41:18 AM CDT
Pistolwhipper - for a start, anyone who likes DOOM...
by scarranhalfbreed
...is a spoon. And, Christ, I love the Bourne films. Please, by all means critisize the films because they're not the same as the books, God knows I have with some movies, but you have to realise that these films are great despite that. If they sucked, that would have been the main complaint, but they don't. They really are great, and, yeah, possibly using the Bourne book titles as a selling technique. But you know what? Boo fucking hoo. They're brilliant films.
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I love the Bourne movies, and if they make it a great trilogy with this one then I'll be very happy. BUT...that's three movies. Bond has been around for 45 years and 21 movies, and is on its way to another 45 years. To say that Bourne made the series "unwatchable" is just fucking idiotic, I'm sorry. I know we're on a talkback and hyperbole reigns supreme, but give me a fucking break. Bond has been hugely entertaining for so long that people take it for granted. And some of us ENJOY the wilder, more outlandish aspects of Bond. That fantasy of the supercool unflappable spy is fucking fun! The Bourne movies are great, but they are a very different tone and style. I wouldn't argue with the fact that the producers took a cue from the success of Bourne (they've always taken new trends into account), but Bond is always going to be a more fantastical world. Not every spy movie has to be this grim and gritty reality-fest. There's room for all types of spy and action films. This comparing of apples and oranges is really a giant waste of time. Does everything have to either "suck" or "rock"? Are we ten years old?
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taint
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squeeeeeeeee!!
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Bond has its own rules and its own hallmarks and is not really comparable to other espionage thrillers. Bond is a unique cartoon joke.Whenever Bond movies try to imitate other movies you get entertaining but forgettable films like License to Kill or this new Casino Royale.
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1) I always arrive late to these AICN expressions.. (sexiest beanpole on the planet, bomb in the ribcage, gotta eat, sitting next to Kurt Russell, etc), but I really think someone should come up with some kind of catchphrase that embodies the stupidity of making Galactus a cloud. Perhaps you could say that a "cloud" would do a better job than Julia Stiles, etc. 2) Who would win in a fight, Jack Bauer or Jason Bourne?
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loved the first two.....
Damon shows some action chops in this one and that he is capable fo pulling off a complex character role.
i have heard these movies stray from the books alot , and that may be true but they still hold my attention enough to make me say that this is def one of the summer movies Im most looking forward too, especially with hearing the thigns ive heard about spiderman 3 being just another retread of the same storylines culled from previous movies.
Who is jason bourne, what happened to treadstone, will he remember everythign and take care of those that took it from him to begin with??
these are all questions im looking forward to being answered this summer.
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But he better make sure Jack is dead.
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Mindless action crap. So far they've taken 2 great Bourne books and completely ripped them apart. If i was the Ludlum estate I would have never let them use the Bourne name.
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I just had a lengthy discussion about this and the general consensus was that Jack's unconventional tactics would best Jason Bourne. Jack has been known to kill a man by biting his jugular, after all.
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Is a boy.
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The first two movies wallowed in espionage cliches ("movie amnesia", hitman who has a change of heart and *doesn't* take out his current target, ect.), and the second was HIDEOUSLY shot and directed. This one is a DVD rental at best.
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Comparing Flight 93 to Greengrass's United 93 is just ridiculous. Go read a film making book. Bourne Supremacy shits all over Casino Royale? The reason? Paul Greengrass is a much better filmmaker than Martin Campbell. You won't catch Greengrass making shit like Zorro and Vertical Limit.
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The Bourne Supremacy was hideously shot and directed? Man, I must have strayed into a parallel universe.
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Apr 20, 2007 12:04:41 PM CDT
Looks pretty bad - but then again it's greengrass again
by the_pissboy1
Why didn't they boot that hack after his last one? He ruined a good franchise with his michael bay-style moneky-cam antics.
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...that's not hyperbole; that's my honest reaction. I went back and tried to watch Goldfinger. Couldn't do it. I lasted about 20 minutes. What already looked silly, dated, sexist, and cartoonish was thrown into even greater relief after I'd seen Bourne Identity. Tried another one (From Russia With Love? -- I can't remember right now), and, again -- I couldn't even get halfway through it.
Yeah -- there's a whole slew of numbers between 1 and 10, I agree. I'm not a reactionary nor an absolutist. I can imagine that there's still some charm the classic Bond films hold for some, and maybe they will for me again someday. But for now, the ones I've tried are now unwatchable. -
Loved the first two, and I'm sure I'll love this one too. kwisatzhaderach - I can't agree with you on Bourne vs. Casino Royale though, I just watched Casino again, and that movie is just awesome.
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...you're embarrassing yourselves with your lack of cinematic taste and knowledge. You're probably embarrassing your families, too.
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that Raimi just confirmed that there will be a Spidey 4,5 and 6?
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and the Bourne trailer was pretty sweet.
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Because he did come out and steal Bond's thunder. And these are some great films, even if 'Supremacy' did get carried away with shaky-cam. But years from now, when people talk about post 9/11 spy films, they won't be pointing to Bond's ice castles or poker games. Bond still owns the 60's, but by trying to copy Bourne so blatantly, they're making him look obsolete. I doubt people (ie. casual moviegoers who hadn't read the book) were surprised by Vesper's fate in CR. But I still remember being surprised by Bourne suddenly losing his girl in Supremacy. Boom! (Ironically, when Bourne was attacked by yet another rumoured Bond candidate!)
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Although there were some good action pieces, the plot and characters weren't particularly compelling.
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to fall down the stairs, would the director toss a camera down a flight of steps? That'd be awesome. My .02 is that I liked the first two movies. Didn't read the books. After law school, reading only makes me sleepy.
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the debate over books and their adaptations breaks down in the effort to adapt them to modern reality. Back then, the Cold War reigned and espionage, while not as exaggerated and perilous as movies made it, was much more critical and prevalent, hence the fascination with it. Ludlum's narrowing down of the industry of espionage to an individual level, and its possible effects on those types of individuals, is what made the books comepelling. It's not as applicable today, with international conflicts more on the skirmish level as opposed to US/USSR-superpowers-nukes-USAEurope/Asia. So the story was adapted to downplay the whole espionage scene even more, reducing him to an assasin. Which might have worked had they introduced the David Webb/Cain backstory sooner. The books, as always, are better, so enjoy them for what they are. Personally, I loved Supremacy (book). the prospect of a half-crazed Bourne ripping through Hong Kong looking for a lethal pretender to save his wife was just cool. "You're a f*cking mechanic."
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I'll reiterate what other people on the board have said. Bond takes popular elements from its time and adapts them to the Bond world. Casino Royale is still more of a Bond movie than a Bourne ripoff. Bond is an expression of the public's fantasy image of an action hero at the time. Brosnan lived in a very 90s world were technology was embraced whole heartedly and the villains were often multinational corporations. Craig's Bond now lives in a world where terrorists are the villains, but theres still masterminds behind them. And even though he's up against "terrorists", he still fights them in fantasy settings, not Tora Bora. Also, while Chris Cooper and Brian Cox played wonderful slimeballs, they had none of the menace of a good Bond villain. Where are the Bourne villains?
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"I remember everything". I'd rather watch 'Moonraker' than any of these wankfests. Bourne better than Bond?!?! Step away from the crack pipe. Damon peaked playing a retard who was good at math. And Julia Stiles is a dirty slut.
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I thought she died in B2? What's the deal with her still being alive?
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shaky and spastic as Supremacy was, count me out. I got a headache in the theatre. It can work sometimes, but all the time? No! In fact they ruined what were cool looking fight and action scenes that way. If you want to make something seem frantic and chaotic, learn to time good cuts instead with some occasional shakiness!
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The appeal of the Bourne movies is that they have no real villians. They're movies that exist entirely in the moral grey zone. The bad guys aren't really that evil. They're just corrupt beureaucrats. And Bourne is no great hero, he's not fighting for any great cause or making anybody's life better. He's actually a legitimate threat to the CIA and they're dealing with him in a way that is actually understandable.I don't want these movies to feature cackling meglocmaniacs with eyepatches and exotic pets. That being said, I hope they work these new Bond movies to have Bond going up against another evil organization like SPECTRE. The end of Casino Royale made it seem like that was the direction they were going. I really liked Mads Mikkelson's portrayal of Le Chiffre, but I hope that these films lead Bond to a more eccentric mastermind.
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I wasn't really looking for Blofeld megalomaniacs in Bourne, but I feel that the antagonists have been partially lacking
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Bourne is all about the grey areas and moral quagmire that is intelligence work. I love the audacity of ending a movie with an apology. How cool was that? But that is a different animal from Bond and what I want from him as a character. That's what I mean by apples and oranges. "Three Days Of The Condor", "Marathon Man", "Mission: Impossible", Matt Helm (!), "The Russia House", "La Femme Nikita" - these are all spy films, and they all take place in different universes. I appreciate each one. And Bond has his own place at the table altogether. Viva la difference!
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is heading with the sequel. After all, they mention "the organization" numerous times. And I think the antagonist, in the case of Bourne, is the spy world in which is was brought up into. These stories are of course not like the Bond ones. Bourne himself is the story, and the CIA's response to his 'change', ie lost of memory/usefulness lost. I enjoyed the new Bond and the first two Bourne movies a lot. If this gives me a third great Bourne movie and the deliver with a Bond sequel, I'll be a happy camper.
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When I said M:I, I meant the first one - which I think is classic - and naturally, the TV series. Not the silly boring MI 2 or the instantly-forgotten craptacular that is MI 3. Not so easy to create a great franchise, is it?
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barf
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who say damon "is just a boy" or that he wasnt a good bourne in these movies, who would you rather have seen in the role????
i think again damon did a great job in these. before this you had really never seen him in much action type roles and he proven IMO that he is capable of doing it and doing it well. Is he in the same league as many other more traditional and popular action stars/ that has yet to be seen, but he def proved he could someday do moer action roles and still draw in the BO numbers the studio wants, while not looking like he phoned it in.
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Spies Like Us. Just kidding. But not really. another good spy flick that might not instantly come to mind is Hunt for Red October. the CIA is stealing a stae-of-the-art sub from the Soviets. though again, the book was better in this regard, played up the espionage aspect more.
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it seemed pretty easy to follow the action as long as I paid a little attention to what was going on it was fine. I was actually really shocked the first time I heard the shaky cam argument. Love that shot in the trailer when it follows over the roof jump, c'est magnifique.
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The WTC attack (and other terrorist acts) had zero impact on Bond in the 90s. And 9/11 only led to him going on his most outlandish mission since the 1970's. In fact, xXx was regarded as Bond's competition in 2002- not Jason Bourne. So it's a little silly to hear people talk about how the Bond of today must live in the gritty world of terrorism. Oh yes, 9/11 happened and- BAM!- five years later, Bond reflected the times. Yes, the Bond producers have always tried to remain up to date. Unfortunately, they usually have to wait until something popular comes along before they borrow from it for their NEXT film. As a result, the Bond sequels generally lag behind by a couple of years. But there was a time when Bond was cutting edge and *the* series everyone tried to copy. I share the hope that the next film seems less Bourne and more Bond.
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Think there'll ever be a Mack Bolan movie? Probably not as we've got plenty of that style flicks already, But, I remember eating those books up when I was a kid.
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I'm assuming you're referring to the shot of the wet-haired woman looking into the bathroom mirror. I THINK that's Julia Stiles. Understandable, as I did a triple-take, too. Franka Potente isn't listed for this film on IMDB, and I doubt they'd want to give away any sort of major-league twist in the trailer. I'm pretty sure she really took that bullet, but stranger things have happened....
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The Ipcress File is an absolute classic, with a superb John Barry score to boot. It's a Shame Ken Russel's Billion Dollar Brain was so trivial.
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In the 90s, Bond fought the fear of that time, corporate greed. The Brosnan movies were against criminal capitalists in Russia, Rupert Murdoch, an oil tycoon, and a Richard Bransonesque character. Die Another Day was written before 9/11 and reflects pre-9/11 sentiments.
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They're great movies with great locales and excellent action. True entertainment but not at the expense of artistic quality.
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reinforce the heightened sense of reality with Bourne. I personally don't think Greengrass uses it that excessively, no more so than any other director, what would the Omaha beach landing been without that jarring hand held? It's cinematic grammer, and part and parcel of Greengrasse's superior directorial chops. As for the car chase in Supremacy, that's a masterclass in razor sharp editing and wholly credible stunt design. Fuck hoary hollywood pyros and implausible OTT pile-ups, I'll watch Reloaded for that.
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Apr 20, 2007 2:25:48 PM CDT
Jason Bourne was trained to cut off an enemy's ear...
by reynard muldrake
...to earn his stripes, I guarantee that's how Joan Allen gets taken care of.
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I can't wait to see this. It will be what it will be: well-done, solid, and worth seeing. Nothing to change the course of history, but nothing to hate on at all.
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My guess is that the CIA/Joan Allen get someone to look like Franka's character in an attempt to trip Bourne up, it's exactly the kind of thing they would do. And I hope to god the reason there's picture of Paddy Considine on the screen in the briefing room is because he's another Treadstone agent they hire to hunt Bourne down. To see Considine kicking ass a badass asassin would be the stuff of legend after Dead Man's Shoes.
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I want the fuzz!
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It's not that corporations stopped being greedy, it's that from a writing point of view, stronger antagonists have developed. And unless Richard Branson is actually a North Korean Colonel in disguise, I have no problem with his appearance.
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Mack Bolan is too cliched for today's audiences. In the 1980s it would have worked but today it's just potboiler stuff that doesn't fly. ***** As for greengrass, his Bourne film was just empty and awful. The action was poorly directed and shot by a rank amateur. Overall, the guy's a major fucking hack. His 9/11 movie was a waste of my life; why would you even make that film? Talk about lacking character/drama/tension or anything remotely interesting. If i had my druthers Greengrass would never work again. He's worthless.
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It seems like Greengrass may have figured out that a fight scene looks better if you have a stationary camera, pulled back to show the action. The fight scene in Idenity was better then the one in Supremacy, and that was because Liman shot it like a movie fight, and let you see what was going on. And, I think it's awesome that they show his opponant flipping(no, it's not Bourne). That means that he fights differently then Bourne. In the other movies, they all fought the same, because that made sense, as they had all been trained, one presumes, together. But this guy is supposed to be younger and different, so hopefully they do a Lethal Weapon 4 with that, and show Bourne struggling while they fight. He always kicked ass too easy in the other films. And that all i've got.
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i love bond AND bourne.im glad their both around pushing their own high standards higher and higher trying to outspy each other.the audience ends up the winner! muhahah roll on august
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Yay @ handchops! Hi-ya!
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SPECTRE is more of a mafia type organization/ criminal conspiracy or terrorist think tank than a corporation along the lines of Carver Media or King Oil. While there are bad people in corporations, to say that they are the greatest villains on the public's psyche in a post-9/11 world is ridiculous. Bond's purpose is to protect society from their biggest fear, right now its terrorism. That is how he keeps evolving, its the constant projection of our wishes for a hero. Its not that Bond copied Bourne, its that they both successfully tap into what we want in a hero today. Batman Begins did it also.
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"Genre" describes a type of story or catagory of story, like romance, action/adventure, sci-fi, fantasy, horror, etc... Stories classified inside a genre share similar themes. If they don't share these themes, then they're not part of the genre. "The Bourne Identity", "The Bourne Supremacy" (books or movies), "Shooter" (AKA Point of Impact), James Bond films, Mitch Rapp stories by Vince Flynn (my personal favorites) and Tom Clancy all belong to the spy thriller genre. Of course they compare, of course they're similar. Duh! So these comparisons are pointless. In this case it *is* like comparing apples to apples. They pretty much look the same, the color is a bit different, but generally it's a 'yes' that apples are apples. **Scratches head** Do the majority of people really not understand genres?
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...owned that guy's ass with a pen? Then in the second one he beat the shit out of a guy with a fucking MAGAZINE. What's in store for this one? Is he gonna take a guy out with the magnetic strip from a CD?
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Anyway, that was suppose to the 'the word "genre"' sheesh. Twitchy finger syndrom. Anyway. Being a big big Ludlum fan coupled with the fact that The Bourne Identity is one of my all favorite books, the movie left me scratching my head. But, I've learned to appreciate them on their own merits and Ultimatum looks like it could actually be better then its predecessors. Ultimatum is my most anticipated summer movie.
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is Harridon any good? I got given it for my Bitrthday but haven't got round to reading it yet, the only other thing I've read by Ludlum was years and years ago and I found it really dry but then these films have piqued by interest so yeh, Harridon, the yay or the nay?
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it would be District B-13.
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Paul "Shaky" Greenhack's direction killed Supremacy and United 93 for me.
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He just doesn't know how to use a steadicam. Hand held work is fine when the movie calls for absolute verite i.e. United 93. But this is a big budget action movie; use tracking shots for gods sake.
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As usual, the Bourne fanboys have it ass-backwards. The Bourne films have their origin in the stories of Ian Fleming and the old Connery classics, not to mention Ronin.
The European locales, the chase sequences, even Bourne's mentality, are all taken from James Bond and Ian Fleming's novels.
Casino Royale was based on a book that was written 30 years before any of the Bourne books, or have you all forgotten that?
What Daniel Craig did in Casino Royale was take Bond BACK to his roots, and he played the part brilliantly, much better than Damon ever could. -
I was pissed they killed off Franka in the 2nd film, but that's definitely Julia Stiles with the short hair. Never read the books, but loved the films. Sorry for those of you who hate the fact that the movie isn't the same as the books, but they are good films! Except for the shaky cam! Doesn't make me sick, just upsets me that I can't see what's going on! If Casino Royale reminds you of District B-13, it's because it featured the other creator of Parkour as the bad guy Bond chases through the construction site. Royale was great, IMO, but it did smack of selling out to see Richard Branson going through the airport!
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It has nothing to do with 'pansiness' but simple irritation because you can't tell what the fuck is going on other than at the end, "Oh Damon won... somehow". And not just at parts that are supposed to give you the impression of franticness and confusion, but EVERY FUCKING TIME there is a fight or some big action scene, even when it's not needed!!! What is this? Blair Witch Project? Fuck that! I paid to SEE a movie and to SEE ass kicking! Not a blurry out-of-focus mess! That said, the movies are pretty entertaining and that's my only gripe.
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If memory serves, Ludlum was a real spook and the Bourne stories have some autobiographical truth to them.
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They are entertaining and they dont have that bond spy feel to it. Its gritty and dark. I am sure the spy world is even worst.
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Damn you Michael Bay
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Before he became a writer he was a TV actor.
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dude, that's because the books are fucking shit. seriously. the Bourne series is an excellent example of the films being way better than the retarded source material.
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is for the # 1 in the new SPECTRE to be played by Roger Moore. If he came back as a Bond villian I would shit myself with glee.
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cant wait.
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Since the late Robert Ludlum wrote only 3 Bourne books (although his publisher comsissioned a 4th book by someone else I think), what could they do )or what would you like seeing them do, for other future Bourne spy action films (if this gets turned into a Bond-ish spy action franchise).
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On top of being smart and hot. Not sure of which order.
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I really like both movies, the first installment more than the second, and the reason being is the "vibro" cam in the second movie. I didn't mind it in the first film, it didn't detract from the action for me. The second film took it up a notch, and I found it distracting. Now some people might think it's the greatest thing in the world, but I like many others, found my enjoyment of the movie tempered by the overly active camera work. My guess is, this film will be shot more like the first one, and the caffinated cameraman will be sipping on a decaf Starbucks instead of the tripple espresso.
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and uh... Bond has been Bond since the 60's, and needs nobody to continue being so.
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That's the only real way to end it. No need for B4, 5, or 6
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The only way this film will fail to float my boat is if some tool forgets to play Moby's 'Extreme Ways' over the end credits once more.
Yay Jason! James who? -
Because his style of filming is awesome! ;)
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I'd love to hear you say that in front of her boyfriend. lol
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funny name by the way. There is something about the Bourne movies that make me like things i normally dislike.. I have never liked a Joan Allen movie, I dont usually care for Julia Stiles, and I absolutely hate Moby. And yet somehow, they are all really great in this.
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Just watch the goddamn movie or don't. Just please, please, please know that if I hear one peep out of your sorry asses, I'm writing a harshly worded letter to the management!
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Jason Bourne kept the torch lit for Bond movies when Pierce Brosnan was busy making him a cartoon-character...
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Here's some names for future Bourne films: Bourne Again and Still Bourne. I'm sure we'll be seeing some of those titling movie reviews this summer.
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