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  • April 18, 2007, 6:48 a.m. CST

    Lost might have it back

    by canadianlou

    Yeah, there's been a lot of bitching about the way that the producers have handled Lost, but I think ever since Paolo took a dirt nap, the show has seemed to regain the momentum that it has sorely lacked. They just might make it after all.

  • April 18, 2007, 6:53 a.m. CST

    Playing first is dumb.

    by amaysingstories

    Second! It's even more challenging!

  • April 18, 2007, 6:53 a.m. CST

    Terry O' Quinn IS Lex Luthor!!!....and LOST

    by IG76

    I will petition each LOST Talkback till those Warner suckers do the right thing.

  • April 18, 2007, 6:58 a.m. CST

    ...How about Mark Pillow Guest Starring too

    by IG76

    Nuclear Man gotta eat!

  • April 18, 2007, 7:09 a.m. CST

    Wacky isn't the word

    by Leopold Scotch

    Don't be offended but this whole theory seems to be based on the fact that Kate found a little toy plane to be of importance. Well, maybe it is, and maybe it isn't, but have there been any clues/evidence that any of that is connected to Claire's implant, and that Claire's implant even suggests that Jack has one? The suggestion that Jack might have an implant is the most logical part of Herc's theory (why would Ben put all his faith in Juliet having the power - or will - to control Jack?), but everything we've learned about Kate so far suggests that she isn't hiding much (eg. only 2 weeks ago she had a big fight with Juliet and dislocated her shoulder: maybe Juliet didn't know about this supposed union existed. And Kate was definitely on the plane, and in custody for murder, so the plan would have to have been inconcievably elaborate).<br><br>Also, the fact that Jack spent almost his entire time in Australia with his dad's dead body would suggest that his dad, like Eko's brother, is dead.<br><br>I love speculating, and reading the speculation of others, but I think the evidence on the show and the clues should be a bit more compatible with each other.

  • April 18, 2007, 7:09 a.m. CST

    Hey Herc!

    by Jimmie Dimmick

    Can you pass what ever that is you're smoking over this way :)

  • April 18, 2007, 7:11 a.m. CST

    Can someone briefly explain those implants?

    by Lance Rock

    Did I miss something? Is that related to Juliet's sister w/ cancer?

  • April 18, 2007, 7:16 a.m. CST

    "Is it salvation, or is it annihilation?"

    by ElPaw

    I swear he's saying "Is it South Asian...."

  • April 18, 2007, 7:24 a.m. CST

    LOST finale

    by Trazadone

    Fron syfyportal, "Producers have planned some major surprises in the upcoming final episodes of "Lost," but unfortunately, none of those surprises will be a new time slot for the show that has struggled in the ratings, but still remains one of television's top 25 programs. TV Guide's amazing scoopmaster Michael Ausiello released some very interesting details in his Wednesday "Ask Ausiello" columm. "Get ready to clutch your pearls: I'm told there will be at least five -- count 'em, five -- deaths on 'Lost' during the month of May," Ausiello said, without going into detail on who they might be. To make things better, "Lost" executive producer Carlton Cuse told Ausiello that the season finale will finally feature the matchup that viewers have been screaming at their television sets for all along. It seems that Jack (Matthew Fox) and Locke (Terry O'Quinn) will finally meet at sun-up in front of the ol' saloon. "Let's just say the end of the season features a showdown between Jack and Locke -- a showdown long anticipated anda showdown with an extremely significant outcome for the future of the castaways," Cuse said."

  • April 18, 2007, 7:26 a.m. CST

    So is Juliet playing both sides?

    by Maniaq

    Or does she just *THINK* she is because Ben is so good at making you think what he wants you to do is what you actually wanted to do yourself? <br> <br> ...and who else has been implanted? Sorry Herc, but I don't think Kate is working for anyone and I seriously doubt the little plane is anything more than it has already been made out to be...

  • April 18, 2007, 7:26 a.m. CST

    Lance

    by Leopold Scotch

    Last week Claire got sick, and Juliet claimed that it's because people who get pregnant or give birth on the island get sick and die. The twist at the end was that Juliet and Ben were making Claire sick to gain the trust of the survivors. They achieved this by putting an implant into Claire when they kidnapped her during season 1. we only found out about this last week. <br><br>Incidentally, people have been getting confused and assuming that Claire was sick because of the island, but (as Juliet said in her flashback) only people who concieve on the island die, so Claire, Rousseau and (depending on who the dad is) Sun should not be ill (implants permitting).

  • April 18, 2007, 7:26 a.m. CST

    Brian K. Vaughan

    by indyjonez100

    I like Y the last man so I hope he's able to bring some of that to Lost.

  • April 18, 2007, 7:39 a.m. CST

    The Desmond-Penny romance is the only one that works

    by SantiagoAtez

    Maybe because I don't think Kate is very convincing. Anyway, I'm a big fan of Desmond, one of the better actors on the show I think. And Penny is one of the best guest starts I think, and their relationship is the only interesting one.

  • April 18, 2007, 7:39 a.m. CST

    yeah, Herc, your theory really fits:

    by newc0253

    for a start, Christian is Ben's boss? then why does Ben go to such incredibly elaborate lengths to manipulate Jack to operate on his spine? why doesn't he just ... ask his boss who is also a spinal surgeon?

  • April 18, 2007, 7:40 a.m. CST

    Wait! You mean Claire has implants?

    by GOB Adama

    I could have SWORN that those puppies were real.

  • April 18, 2007, 7:42 a.m. CST

    If Kate turns out to be a spy...

    by SantiagoAtez

    ...then it's obvious that Lost has gone the way of 24, a series makes it's main plot twists as it goes along. 2 words: Nina Meyers. Mole in CTU? How about idea taken from writers' ass.

  • April 18, 2007, 7:44 a.m. CST

    p.s. Brian K. Vaughan is The Man:

    by newc0253

    that four-toed statue on the island? Gibborim.

  • April 18, 2007, 7:48 a.m. CST

    Good point, newc0253

    by SantiagoAtez

    I think Jack's dad will turn up, but NOT as a boss of anyone. He'll be one of the several characters that will come back from the dead...island healing properties and all that. Probably something that will happen next season, as I think we would have heard of Shannon and Boone doing another ep.

  • April 18, 2007, 7:52 a.m. CST

    Herc

    by SithMenace

    You seem like a good dude and everything, but lay off of the Lost theories. It's almost as bad as when you asked if Bai Ling was in each episode for two months.

  • April 18, 2007, 8:02 a.m. CST

    Herc's Theory

    by PotSmokinAlien

    i like it even more now that you've fleshed it out herc... to those who think it's too elaborate, i dont think herc is saying it would be the lynch pin of the whole show, just a twist.. you're really telling me you would be surprised if there was some left-field reveal like this? "holy fuck, hurley??.. this whole time..." etc

  • April 18, 2007, 8:04 a.m. CST

    sithmenace

    by PotSmokinAlien

    you'd rather he just regurgitate what tv guide says? give the guy a break, he is a fan just like us

  • April 18, 2007, 8:07 a.m. CST

    Jack Dies In Finale?

    by mordiceius

    Taking your bets now. My money is on Jack dying.

  • April 18, 2007, 8:08 a.m. CST

    It's as if thousands of English majors cried out in ter

    by Randall Flagg

    in terror, and were suddenly silenced. Herc! Wherefore means WHY. Not WHERE. In the play, she's saying WHY is he Romeo, not WHERE is he!!

  • April 18, 2007, 8:12 a.m. CST

    Kate isn't a spy...

    by Zarles

    ...and her airplane is just that - an airplane. The writers have gone on record that it might have been a mistake to hype up the airplane as being more than it actually was. I agree that the Desmond/Penny relationship being the only one that really works, though, and I think that might be kind of intentional. Personally, I think the WHOLE shebang is about Desmond. Why? He's the only one that has a legitimate reason to want to get the hell off the island, and that reason is Penny. Think about it - who else has anything but a crappy life to go back to once they get off the island?

  • April 18, 2007, 8:20 a.m. CST

    PotSmokinAlien

    by SithMenace

    Compared to the tone of half the posts on this site, I thought I was giving Herc a break.

  • April 18, 2007, 8:20 a.m. CST

    Herc's Theory

    by jimbojones123

    I was thinking something along the same lines of Kate being some kind of plant. She seems to pretend everything around her bothers her. She even throws herself in the line of fire when not necessary. Remember the kidnapping/others intro -- was she getting new orders. I don't know about the implant or the plane. The plane especially -- it's just a plane. But I think Kate could easily be a plant. Oh, and she is EVIL.

  • April 18, 2007, 8:31 a.m. CST

    mr ahole ramirez

    by jimbojones123

    Wouldn't Hurly and Jack be 5 deaths?

  • April 18, 2007, 8:32 a.m. CST

    re: SantiagoAtez

    by Steve_Dooku

    Welcome to the party pal! The overall story arc *may* already be fleshed out, but they are making up the path to get us there, hands down.

  • April 18, 2007, 8:37 a.m. CST

    Is Smoky

    by jimbojones123

    Really the offspring of Galactus

  • April 18, 2007, 8:58 a.m. CST

    re: Steve_Dooku

    by SantiagoAtez

    Having it revealed that one of the most important characters has been a "CTU mole" on the island WOULD BE part of the overall story arc. We're not talking about killing off Shanon here....Kate being a mole would be something that people would constantly dissect through every scene in the past 3 seasons. EVERY one of her actions would be scrutinized. All those close-up shots of Kate's expressions would now be suddenly said to be "an act all this long!!". Even the actress would freak out, knowing that it would be no different than a "POOF, it was all a dream!" "Jumping the shark" would be renamed "Kate's Shaggy Dog Story"

  • April 18, 2007, 9:01 a.m. CST

    Something else to chew on. Beware spoiler.

    by Hercules

    ABC on 3.19: "A newly focused Locke breaks away from "The Others" in an attempt to persuade Sawyer to help rid them of a great nemesis that has caused nothing but pain in both of their lives. Meanwhile, a new island inhabitant discloses some shocking information about Oceanic Flight 815." <br><br> shocking. information.

  • April 18, 2007, 9:06 a.m. CST

    That confirms it Herc (spoiler)

    by ElPaw

    Real Sawyer = Tony Cooper.

  • April 18, 2007, 9:08 a.m. CST

    come on

    by ZO

    any lost watcher with 2 brain cells figured out that lockes poppa was the real sawyer years ago

  • April 18, 2007, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Jacob

    by kbaker13

    I think at this point we are leading up to the big Jacob reveal at the end of the season. Jacob has been mentioned more and more in the past couple weeks. I think that Jacob has to be someone we have already met or the Big Jacob reveal wouldn't really matter. If he is a new character then it wouldn't be that big of a surprise. My bets are on Christian Shepard (but why would they need another spinal surgeon (aka Jack) if they already had Christian?), Anthony Cooper, or Jack (that would be awesome) or Locke(also awesome). Ben could also be Jacob and is using the persona of Jacob to control the Others.

  • April 18, 2007, 9:11 a.m. CST

    re: SantiagoAtez

    by Steve_Dooku

    I think we are agreeing (?)<br><br> The disturbing trend for the past couple of episodes have been the way the writers seem to have given up answers by going back and changing the story to suit the purpose. Making Kate "the Mole" (moly moly moly MOLE!) would be more shocking. information. ;)

  • April 18, 2007, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Jacob is

    by ElPaw

    Danielle. Pre-op.

  • April 18, 2007, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Jack dying in Finale?

    by WerePlatypus

    This showdown between Locke and Jack could lead to a death. . . but I think it won't be Jack that dies. I think it'll be Locke. I don't buy that everyone comes back to life on the island. But if Locke DOES have a special connection, than how badass would it be for Jack to kill him in the last episode. Then, in Season 4, Locke can come back from the dead, Jesus-style. Plus, since he's not actually dead, no need for a flashback episode of his own. . . That would rule, as his coming back from the dead would cement a leadership position among the Losties and the Others (no matter who he's supposidely betrayed).

  • April 18, 2007, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Theories

    by arcade fireman

    Herc's Kate theory is as laughable as those of Doc Jensen at Entertainment Weekly. Cooper is the Real Sawyer obviously. The only question there is how does Sawyer discover this and what will he do? Juliet is up to no good according to the podcast so I hope we don't have to wait too long to know her objectives. Tonight should be interesting based on the preview clips I've seen.

  • April 18, 2007, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Jacob

    by Banky the Hack

    Allow me to reiterate my dream casting for Jacob. If it was Patrick McGoohan, I'd probably crap my pants.

  • April 18, 2007, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Jacob

    by WerePlatypus

    Does anyone else think "Jacob" might be an AI supercomputer?

  • April 18, 2007, 9:21 a.m. CST

    WerePlatypus

    by Banky the Hack

    No, you're thinking of Moses. He likes gifts of macaroni pictures, and paper plate bean shakers.

  • April 18, 2007, 9:25 a.m. CST

    Jacob?

    by biggles2_22

    Why does everyone keep mentioning Jacob. I've been watching (but dozing off at times, damn you 10pm start time!) Can someone backfill me on this character? Thanks in advance.

  • April 18, 2007, 9:33 a.m. CST

    where the fuck...

    by Strabo

    ...did all this talk about Kate's toy airplane being the trigger for Claire's implant come from? We probably haven't even seen the thing on the show (outside of opening flashbacks) since the first season. Whoever came up with that is grasping at straws as desperately as the writers of this shitty show.

  • April 18, 2007, 9:34 a.m. CST

    Jacob is...

    by arcade fireman

    Linderman!

  • April 18, 2007, 9:36 a.m. CST

    biggles2_22 - Reguarding Jacob

    by mordiceius

    Jacob is the leader of the Others. We don't know who he is but he is often refered to. Ben has said things like "What would HE do if HE found out?" (refering to Jacob) or saying "Sheppard wasn't even on Jacob's list." And in the Dharma video it said something like "God loves you like he loved Jacob."

  • April 18, 2007, 9:36 a.m. CST

    biggles2_22

    by ElPaw

    http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Jacob

  • April 18, 2007, 9:37 a.m. CST

    also, if Kate was a plant...

    by newc0253

    why would Juliet handcuff herself to *Kate* in order to convince everyone that she was left behind? why wouldn't the Others just take Kate aside and order her to take Juliet back? this thing isn't Herc's theory, it's Herc's being a troll on his own Coax section.

  • April 18, 2007, 9:41 a.m. CST

    Herc is sniffing smoke monster fumes

    by Randy Sims

    I dont think Herc's theory on Kate will pan out for 2 reasons: 1) IF the whole general arc was pre-planned from the get go, how could they have pinned such a major setup on Jack, when that character wasnt initially supposed to live through the pilot. 2) If the toy airplane is the trigger, why would it have figured into Kate's flashback all they way back to shortly after offing her dad? If the Others/Jacob are really only into taking people who are "good", they wouldn't have tolerated their operative Kate going all vigilante on daddy... LOST is not back--it never left.

  • April 18, 2007, 9:42 a.m. CST

    yeah, Patrick McGoohan would make a good Jacob:

    by newc0253

    i was thinking Donald Sutherland myself but McGoohan makes more sense.

  • April 18, 2007, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Herc is pulling our legs

    by newc0253

    it's not a real theory, it's a joke.

  • April 18, 2007, 10:07 a.m. CST

    "Wherefore" = "why"

    by Noetic Skein

    I'm not sure why Moriarty has "Wherefore art Juliet" as the title to this story, but if he means "where is Juliet," he's making the same mistake that tons of people make with that line from Shakespeare. When Juliet says, "Wherefore art thou Romeo," she doesn't mean "where are you" but "WHY are you Romeo?" Like, "Why'd you have to be ROMEO, a Montague? Why couldn't you be from any other family, huh?" Sorry, just a pet peeve.

  • April 18, 2007, 10:21 a.m. CST

    WerePlatypus

    by PwnedByStallone

    That actually would be interesting if Locke died and somehow became one with the island and the nreturned somehow. It'll never happen but it's interesting.

  • April 18, 2007, 10:22 a.m. CST

    Noetic Skein

    by amychaser5

    Sorry, but who gives a shit?

  • April 18, 2007, 10:24 a.m. CST

    If Kate is a plant and Locke dies...

    by trafficguy2000

    Then TASG and EG will no longer be the dumbest thing to ever happen to this show!

  • April 18, 2007, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Latest Podcast

    by PwnedByStallone

    Anyone else catch it this week. hilarious interview with MC Gainy (alias Tom). But they attempted to answer the "Why didn't smokie go over the fence?" question. the ydanced around it but proposed a theory that it can't leave the ground or that it didn't go under it because ther was no tunnel for it. Although it seems to be able to make it's own tunnels so I don't buy that one. They really made it sound like an episode coming up might explain the nature of smokie though. Then again they're teasing bastards so take it with a truckload of salt.

  • April 18, 2007, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Kate is not a plant

    by Jor-El23

    If the plane was the trigger for an implant what the hell was it doing in a time capsule and then in a safety deposit box in New Mexico? Why was the marshal chasing her?

  • April 18, 2007, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Noetic Skein

    by PwnedByStallone

    Interesting. I did not know that. Thanks for the English lesson. Seriously. Now all I have to do is discreetly bring up Romeo and Juliet or Shakespeare in a conversation so I can prove how knowledgable I am. This may even get me laid.

  • April 18, 2007, 10:41 a.m. CST

    Kate

    by dodgethis

    Kate is not a plant, that would be highly improbable. If somehow it turned out that she was a plant, though, I would take that as the writers being out of ideas and coming up with a "twist" just for the sake of a twist. This show has really lost its way since season one and I hate that. The last five eps have been good so I'm hoping they only get better from here. Stuff like Kate being a plant though would really kill the whole thing for me.

  • April 18, 2007, 10:46 a.m. CST

    If anyone has an implant...

    by PwnedByStallone

    it's Sawyer. They actually faked surgery on the dude to trick him into not rasing his heart beat and thus running and escaping. Btu what if he really did have an implant and they just chose not to use it until they really needed too. Hmmmmmm....

  • April 18, 2007, 10:49 a.m. CST

    kate isn't a plant

    by isildur29

    Jack won't die. Locke won't die. Charlie, Ben, Juliet, "The Real Sawyer", and Tom will die. There are 5 characters for you.

  • April 18, 2007, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Herc's theory

    by Shigeru

    seriously one of the dumbest fucking things I've ever read. <br><br> and I agree with above, in that the deaths probably will be: Charlie, Ben, Juliet, "The Real Sawyer", and Tom will die. Oh, and Penny will show up on the beach in the last ep.

  • April 18, 2007, 10:53 a.m. CST

    I dunno, Wereplatypus...

    by Childe Roland

    ...just because Locke comes back from the dead doesn't automatically make him the unquestioned leader of both tribes.<p>In fact, I can only think of one zombie type who folks readily jumped in and followed (the Man Jesus, if you believe the stories).<p>Most others have been more concerned with eating brains than any kind of organized form of leadership.<p>Oh, and Kate's not an agent or whatever. She's just a fickle little girl who can't decide between the good boy who loves her and the bad boy who makes her wet.<p>I predict that the more human and sociable Sawyer becomes, the less he'll appeal to her.

  • April 18, 2007, 10:55 a.m. CST

    Stallone

    by dodgethis

    Thats a good call and very well could be. One of the most frustrating things about LOST to me are the potential plot threads that end up going nowhere. I could come up with a whoel laundry list of them just from this season. Chief among them, Jack playing football with the others and appearing to be brainwashed then we learn that he was just hanging out having a good ol time until he could leave. Wow, what a letdown. The thing about Sawyer having an implant and the not really having one was another frustrating thing. If it turned out that he did actually have an implant it might make his time spent with the others a little more meaningful to the overall plot.

  • April 18, 2007, 10:56 a.m. CST

    Sawyer's Implant

    by ElPaw

    They've already activated it. Look how he's been pussified.

  • April 18, 2007, 10:57 a.m. CST

    Ben is Jacob's creation...

    by Professor_Snarf

    as another way to keep control. I RECKON!

  • April 18, 2007, 10:58 a.m. CST

    Kate as a mole

    by smellmycheese

    As much as I like the theory it's pretty implausible. The plane was nothing more than a toy that was a treasured/symbolic possession from Kate's past. It was a filler episode, nothing more. Should it EVER be revealed to be something more then it'll be like TASG in the Pearl toilet - made up on the fly NOT pre-planned! As for Kate being a mole prior to boarding 815, well it's possible. Her FBs to date do not indicate that she is, but it's possible some intervention took place... esp when you consider that she's the only one who claims to have been awake when the plane went down and saw "the whole thing". However, if she's possibly an Other then i'm seriously going to be scrutinizing the start of season 3 - especially her conversation with Ben and some of the other Others once "captured". It also doesn't explain her shock upon discovering the fake beard and theatrical make up. Something tells me it's a bullshit theory but i'll humour it... for now... (largely because any episode that revisits the pilot is awesome IMHO)

  • April 18, 2007, 11:02 a.m. CST

    5 deaths

    by PwnedByStallone

    I have a feeling Tom will be one. In his podcast interview this week they talked for about 5 minutes about all the various deaths he's had in his performances over the years. Sounds like a forshadowing to me. The others I suspect would be the real Sawyer, Charlie, Ben, and Rosseau.

  • April 18, 2007, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Kate first captured

    by Shigeru

    remember her breakfast on the Beach and we all thought that Ben raped her or something? what happened with that?

  • April 18, 2007, 11:07 a.m. CST

    I hope tom dies...

    by ElPaw

    having mad passionate scissor sex with Jack.

  • April 18, 2007, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Clip from tonight's episode

    by Losteroo

    That Kate = mole stuff is pure garbage. Please come up with a realistic theory if you're gonna throw something up to get people talking! <br> Looks like what we're getting from Kate tonight is more love triangle BS. <br> http://tinyurl.com/2ylt3k

  • April 18, 2007, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Oscar Wilde 4 Prez

    by PwnedByStallone

    Yeah, I can't wait to weed through 200 posts of people bitching and moaning over which is better, Lost or Heroes. I've really been enjoying not having to do that. The argument is pointless but Heroes doesn't even come close in my mind. I find it mildly entertaining though. And Hayden Panaterrie's predictably turning out to be a dumb little slut that think's she's hot shit already and she's not even legal yet as far as I know. I got news for her. She isn't that hot or talented.

  • April 18, 2007, 11:19 a.m. CST

    On-the-fly

    by Noetic Skein

    "Should it EVER be revealed to be something more then it'll be like TASG in the Pearl toilet - made up on the fly NOT pre-planned!" Why is this constantly seen as a bad thing? Writers of fiction will tell you that they don't have the book completely mapped out when they begin, and all sorts of initially insignificant details push the narrative in new, rewarding directions. It is really frustrating to me that so many Lost and BSG fans have some bizarre conception of writing as a perfectly mapped-out, mathematical process, like some bloody lab experiment. Stories often largely write themselves...

  • April 18, 2007, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Just Read This Guys, You Too Herc...

    by Hyphin

    Uhh...this is cool...<p>Jacob, of the bible of course, was the first person to refer to God as The Shepherd. I love that.<p>Other interesting facts about Jacob of the bible, which, arguably, may be a place to start when thinking about who the Jacob of Lost may be. Recall, there are quite a few instances in the show where biblical references and religious references become quite apparent. Anyone remember that Charlie episode where he was going kinda insane because of withdrawal? It was packed with biblical LITERAL imagery:<p>-Jacob loved Rachel<p>This one I love: Rachel was apparently barren, but later amazingly gave birth to Joseph and Benjamin after failing to become pregnant for years.<p>-the tribe of Benjamin's women and children were all killed, and the remaining members of the tribe could not longer proliferate. The historical solution they came up with was to kill the men from another sub-tribe and take their women and children.<p>Lost is fun, eh? Seriously though, I'm Muslim.<p>:P

  • April 18, 2007, 11:26 a.m. CST

    Jacob.... (SPOILER)

    by CorpseRide

    is Jack. But Jack hasn't become Jacob yet. Frikkin time travel, man. Woah.

  • April 18, 2007, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Remember that thing I said that was high above the

    by Novaman5000

    island?<p> Enter Naomi. <p> Also, I think that having Christian Shepard alive might piss me off, I'm not sure yet. There's NO indication that he'd be the big bad guy in ANY of the flashbacks. That would just be a poor twist. The man's dead, we saw his freakin body!! I'm thinking the Jack flashback might shed light on what happened to that body... Maybe Jack left it in Sydney to avoid dealing with customs further?

  • April 18, 2007, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Uhh, just to clarify..

    by Hyphin

    Those last few points are additional points of information regarding Jacob, from the Bible.

  • April 18, 2007, 11:31 a.m. CST

    I'm guessing Jack will die because...

    by smellmycheese

    1) He's pulling a Clooney following movie offers ... 2) There is bugger all left to tell of his boring ass life ... 3) He was going to die in the pilot anyway so he's done well to last this long ... 4) They're making Sawyer more of a people person, grooming him to be Jack's replacement as leader (unless it'll go the other way and HE will die for reason 1) ... 5) He's got a two-part FB episode season finale to himself, indicating they're going to wrap up his story for good. As a character and actor, I quite like Jack... I just wish the writers had made him as interesting as his father, placing more emphasis on his healing abilities than his shitty marriage. Like we care.

  • April 18, 2007, 11:35 a.m. CST

    5 Deaths...

    by Losteroo

    Okay maybe Rose and 4 Dharma Redshirts in a flashback. With a possible chance that Claire dies instead of Rose, since I think that the "Charlie dies" precog stuff is a red herring.

  • April 18, 2007, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Ok, since Cooper as the real Sawyer

    by Jonah Echo

    looks like it will happen,looks like the first part of my theory panned out. Now, perhaps once Cooper is dealt with(and I really dont think this will mean being killed by Sawyer or Locke- most likely, they will both choose not to kill him but my guess is Smokey or something else will take him out anyway)then Locke may start to reveal to Sawyer what it is he learned while with the Others. Also, we havent seen Rousseau, but shes supposed to be in at least four of the remaining episodes. Sooo, Im starting to wonder more about a theory that places her in cahoots with Locke, and possibly the submarine isnt destroyed, and that she has taken it elsewhere. Perhaps an agreed upon location. Im sure that Locke is the one to have learned the "shocking information" regarding 815 and Sawyer is the one he confides in,(perhaps this based off the theory of Sawyer being able to overcome his past without resorting to killing Cooper). This information, in Locke's mind might facilitate a change in the way the 815ers are living and how they need to approach the Others. A rumor that is being thrown out there with the Jack/Locke showdown is the fact that those on the beach will be facing a rift, with one faction behind Jack and another behind sawyer, but the rift will be at the prompting of a third party. Locke? Juliette? Now, if the rift is between Jack and Sawyer, where does that place Locke? On the Others team, or more likely with Sawyer, and most likely Kate. Its long be supposed that Locke would be the one to join the Others, but his obsession is the Island, and if the Others arent following the laws of the Island(or are directly opposed to it) then Locke will obviously be pitted against them. Jack on the other hand is now linked with Juliette, and unless we see a major change in her character, it seems most likely that if Jack survives the end of season 3(hey, it seems possible he might not) then he will probably end up on the side of the Others. Ive been speculating this would all lead to a Jack/Locke showdown, but Im not convinced that the show can afford to get rid of either one. It seems to me the mystery of the island will end up requiring both "the man of science" and "the man of faith". I actually really like the idea that was suggested of having Locke be killed, and then his return at the start of season 4. Perhaps, if this a mysterious quality of the island, then maybe Locke would have learned it prior to any showdown. I suppose we will see.

  • April 18, 2007, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Whadda ya' mean "we"?

    by GOB Adama

    "remember her breakfast on the Beach and we all thought that Ben raped her or something?" Was that theory REALLY all that popular? Do that many people REALLy see 'Lost' as that dark? Genuinely curious.

  • April 18, 2007, 11:44 a.m. CST

    TASG guy's toilet was pre-planned.

    by Novaman5000

    The writers even said it in the beginning that when they introduced the characters they had a plan for them that we hadnt totally seen yet. <p> For the record, oftentimes, stories form organically... writers see that certain characters are playing better off of eachother than others, new avenues present themselves, etc. Lost is no different. The writers have said that the big mysteries they have the answers to, but the the little parts of the journey are something they come up with only a season or so in advance.

  • April 18, 2007, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Also, theres Mikhail

    by Jonah Echo

    Im not convinced, and wasnt when it happened, that hes really dead(blood spewing and seizuring considered). They lingered on shots of his body far too long after the incident. He also said he actually knew John Locke. Not in the way the others have learned about everyone, but actually met him in John's "past life" off the island, when he was in the wheelchair. Is there a connection there we arent aware of. If Mikhail isnt dead, and the fence a way for the search party to think him dead, did Locke know about it before it happened?

  • April 18, 2007, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Noetic Skein, On-the-fly != "bad"

    by smellmycheese

    Don't get me wrong, while I admit I hope that Lost has a pre-determined beginning, middle and end, I appreciate that the journey may take several paths with the destination being the same. So as for writing on the fly goes, it's no bad thing (Libby's early departure is clearly a work around considering her story is now going to be told in other people's FBs). I also think Expose is one of Lost's best episodes - self-reflective, self-aware, very funny and TASG's toilet activities were brilliantly woven into his story (a testament to the writers' abilities as well as a wink and a cheeky FO to the fans). I'm just disputing *Herc's* theory that the toy plane was some kind of pre-planned implant trigger. If they decide one day that they want it to be then i'm cool with that but it will NOT be pre-planned (as Herc seems to think) and I seriously hope it doesn't create contradictions elsewhere that can't be, at some point, explained.

  • April 18, 2007, 11:49 a.m. CST

    WerePlatypus,

    by Novaman5000

    If Jacob was a computer I'd shit myself. I would fucking LOVE that. Reminds me of that Twilight Zone ep. Still, Jacob has been referred to as "he" before, which leads me to believe that it's a person. STILL, It just doesn't fit that it'd be christian shepard (for those who keep screaming that). <p> PLUS: We've already had one cliffhanger this season where someone's reunited with their long lost father. That big reveal in the finale would be fairly underwhelming. I don't know, we'll see I guess.

  • April 18, 2007, 11:50 a.m. CST

    correction about the shocking info

    by Jonah Echo

    Now that I see what Abc posted, I realize the shocking info is coming from the parachutist. My mistake. Still its likely Locke will have gained some neccesary perspective when he went with the Others. Or at least I hope so.

  • April 18, 2007, 11:55 a.m. CST

    The shocking info Naomi has for the losties?

    by Novaman5000

    Oceanic Flight 815 landed safely in Los Angeles 16 hours after take-off.<p> Ok, I have no evidence to back that up, but it'd be pretty crazy, no?

  • April 18, 2007, 12:01 p.m. CST

    novaman

    by Jonah Echo

    Im thinking its probably something VERY CLOSE to that kind of thing. Or something along the lines of "it dissapeared twenty years ago." your idea would be much cooler though.

  • April 18, 2007, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Jonah

    by oisin5199

    I think we can now interpret Mikhail's comments about "the John Lock he knew" referring to the fact that the John Locke he researched through the satellite shack was in a wheelchair. I don't think it's anything more than that.

  • April 18, 2007, 12:09 p.m. CST

    Tania Raymonde

    by decypher44

    http://tinyurl.com/3xmzlc [p] You all probably know this, but I just realized the girl that plays Alex is the same one who played the girl on Malcom in the Middle. I was watching "Malcom" last night and thought, "Hey, that's Alex!"

  • April 18, 2007, 12:09 p.m. CST

    plane landing.

    by PwnedByStallone

    that would be STUPID. what happened then? they were cloned? multiple dimensions? screw that noise. they needs to keep this shit somewhat grounded in reality.

  • April 18, 2007, 12:12 p.m. CST

    Couple of things

    by Leopold Scotch

    Hyphin, it's good when people come up with name origins and history etc. Even so, I think the writers just do it for intertextual reasons, and not for overall significance of character traits or plots etc. Look at Locke for example: in many cases, he seems to be the antithesis of the real John Locke. Same goes for Bakhunin, Rousseau, Kelvin etc. And as far as I know, David Hume couldn't travel through time, though, obviously, he was from Scotland :D<br><br>Regarding the Charlie flashback, I suggest that we might find out that it wasn't Ethan who hanged him from the tree.

  • April 18, 2007, 12:14 p.m. CST

    I've been saying it for ages and Hercs post...

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    Pretty much confirms it. Lockes dad is the con man that Sawyer thought he was killing before he got on the plane.

  • April 18, 2007, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Charlie flashback

    by Shigeru

    "I suggest that we might find out that it wasn't Ethan who hanged him from the tree." Brilliant! I need to stop reading for fear of spoilers...

  • April 18, 2007, 12:19 p.m. CST

    plane

    by PwnedByStallone

    i could live with it turning out it disappeared years ago like the above poster suggested. That's in keeping with the Desmond stuff. But finding out it landed would almost ruin the show for me. I can't think of a plausible scenario for that.

  • April 18, 2007, 12:20 p.m. CST

    please, stop with the stupid fucking submarine theories

    by Strabo

    Locke had, what, a couple pounds of explosives? There's no way he had enough to completely obliterate a submarine of that size. The best he could hope for was to blow a hole in the side of it so that it would sink. THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN WRECKAGE. IF IT HADN'T BEEN THERE, THEY WOULD HAVE NOTICED. END OF FUCKING STORY.

  • April 18, 2007, 12:21 p.m. CST

    Also

    by Leopold Scotch

    The Jacob idea is something I found intriguing when I first heard it: that it isn't a guy, but something else. Maybe he's even the "box" that Ben talks about. The fact that he can personally cure cancer (as was suggested last week) seems to me that he/it is responsible for the deterministic events, like everyone being connected in the past. That said, that would go against a few things like "He's a great man" etc.

  • April 18, 2007, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Strabo

    by PwnedByStallone

    Who's to say they haven't noticed there wasn't wreckage. We haven't seen or heard from them since the sub episode. Hell, they probably used it to leave.

  • April 18, 2007, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Leopold

    by PwnedByStallone

    Interesting, but 'great' doesn't necessarily mean 'good' which is how you seem to be interpreting it.

  • April 18, 2007, 12:27 p.m. CST

    i like the theory

    by isildur29

    of Jack dying only if it adds the plot of Sayid and some Losties splitting from the rest. Perhaps the others, Locke, and Sawyer/kate. V. Sayid, Jin, Sun etc. and Hurley and the rest on the beach. Not necessarily a versus situation just split camps after their leader is killed. But personally I'd rather see Sawyer die before Jack. I think Tom and Juliet will be killed because they become expendable once Locke is on Ben's side. I also think Claire dies trying to save Charlie you know like a weird thing Desmond couldn't get there to stop. Another theory that would interest me is if Locke thinks he is one with the island and can't die but someone kills him and he bleeds slowly and says something to Ben about a big secret.

  • April 18, 2007, 12:29 p.m. CST

    The sub's destroyed...

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    The whole point of that episode was to enforce the fact that Ben can pretty much get anyone to do what he wants them to do and make them think it's their idea.<br><br>Destroying the Sub is probably the linchpin of the story when Penny turns up on the island with her friends from the arctic looking for Desmond. Which in turn begs the question about her father being part of the Dharma initiative.

  • April 18, 2007, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Jack

    by Leopold Scotch

    Something that's been bothering me is the fact that Jack hasn't questioned why the others (who were so intent on keeping Jack, Sawyer and Kate, then later Jack, Kate, Sayid and John) just up and left the prisoners plus Juliet to do what they want. I hope Jack has picked up on this and is just playing along to see how it pans out.

  • April 18, 2007, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Pwned

    by Leopold Scotch

    I meant to corredt my post but couldn't be bothered: what I meant by saying "he's a great man" was to potentially discount that Jacob is a machine/box, which is one of the theories, not about whether he had good intentions or not.

  • April 18, 2007, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Haha, way to get all defensive stallone

    by Novaman5000

    I didn't say it'd be the best idea ever, just that it'd be crazy.<p> Still, if this whole island is one big mindfuck, the plane having landed safely would be evidence to that. But we've seen images of the "hunt for flight 815" in news, provided those are real.<p> Come to think of it, I think I know what Naomi is going to say...<p> Officials have called off the search for Oceanic flight 815. No one is coming for them.

  • April 18, 2007, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Jacob is...

    by hatman

    Charles Widmore, Widmore corporation contributed to Dharma, was on the Ben's hot air balloon...Penelope knows of the island that is why she's looking for Desmond

  • April 18, 2007, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Leopold

    by isildur29

    I can see it going either way. One I could see Jack getting tricked which would lead to his people having no faith in him as a leader anymore (power struggle) but I can also see Jack trying to play along and it going to far and people die...or I can see him playing along and we finally see a dark angry side of Jack as he gets revenge on Juliet and the others...I'm going to go along with option 2 since it would involve the audience more if we knew what he was trying to do and we see it going wrong and say OH NO...MAYHEM CARNAGE DEATH!!!!

  • April 18, 2007, 12:45 p.m. CST

    TheAllSeeingEye

    by Strabo

    Yes, that's pretty much correct...too bad the writers forgot about Desmond's sail boat. The existence of the sail boat means either Ben was lying about the reason he wanted the sub destroyed, or the writers are morons. Obviously, I'm picking the later of the two choices.<BR><BR>What's that you say? Maybe only the submarine can escape whatever it is keeping people near the island? Nope, sorry. What about the little dingy Michael and Walt left on? Obviously surface ships can leave the island too...provided you leave via the right heading, of course. Two weeks have passed since Michael and Walt left on that little boat...there were no obvious supplies stockpiled on that thing. If they hadn't escaped the island within a day or two, we'd know about it. Of course, the writers have completely forgotten about that plot line too.

  • April 18, 2007, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Dammit! I hate typos...

    by Strabo

    Dinghy!

  • April 18, 2007, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Leopold

    by PwnedByStallone

    It's possible they were probably keeping Sawyer and Kate as labor for their "big" project build and it may now be on hold. Locke seemingly joined them. and Kate and Sayid were let go as part of the deal Jack made with Ben, who we were told awys keeps his promises. But you're right. Jack should be suspicious of why Juliet was left behind. He's either in on her plan or probably feels he can trust her since she was maimed and then abandoned by her own people.

  • April 18, 2007, 12:52 p.m. CST

    You're right, Strabo, They've completely

    by Novaman5000

    Forgotten the Michael/Walt plotline.<p> That's why Harold Perrineau is in talks to return to Lost next season as I write this.

  • April 18, 2007, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Sorry Novaman

    by PwnedByStallone

    It wasn't directed at you personally. I just don't care for that scenario playing out because it seems unexplainable in a semi-realistic way. I like the supernatural/sci-fi elements of the show but not too much of it. I think tthe plane landing would be a line they shouln't cross.

  • April 18, 2007, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Jacob is Dr. MANHATTAN!

    by captainalphabet

    or someone of similar ability. i think it'll be a new character (least a new actor). Christian's body? The smokemonster took it! right before Eco was smashed up, he conforonted his 'brother' - turned out to be smokey. Remy's body was missing too. Jack actually saw the montser way back in season 1, but it was shaped like his dad. Monster was probably Hurley's friend Dave too. maybe monster is Jacob!

  • April 18, 2007, 12:56 p.m. CST

    well i agree that the idea that the island is one big

    by Novaman5000

    mindfuck is not how i want this to go, either. Like I said above, it's going to be more of a "they're not coming for you" revelation, which I think will lead to the losties standing up to fight the others. <p><p>Afterall, If no one is coming for them, waiting won't do any good anymore. It's time to take a stand.<p><p><p>Spoiler alert<p><p> <p> And apparently, take a stand they do. Can you say Losties vs Others battle? I can, and apparently it's way too intense for an earlier timeslot. Multiple character deaths? Maybe. Alot of violence? Definitely. I'm so stoked.

  • April 18, 2007, 12:58 p.m. CST

    whoa, definitely meant to space that spoiler out a bit

    by Novaman5000

    more. didn't realize multiple P's do no good without text in between. Oh well, it's more of a teaser than a spoiler, in my opinion, anyway.

  • April 18, 2007, 1:03 p.m. CST

    Dr. Manhattan is Ben's Dad!

    by captainalphabet

    Jacob has been on the Island for a long time. might be Ben's dad. if so, would Ben have a brother Joe? would Joe be dead, or on the mainland, or running another bunch of Others somewhere? on the island? ANOTHER ISLAND?! if THAT's the case... maybe Jacob is somewhere else (but kinda everywhere, y'know?!). Michael and Walt will come back in the finale! They'll get a flashback in one of first 2 episodes next year!

  • April 18, 2007, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Charlie hate?

    by imageburn13

    I dunno, I just keep hoping Charlie doesn't die. I like his character and want him and Claire to be ok, especially since he's been playing such a good father to the baby. Why is there so much animosity toward charlie?

  • April 18, 2007, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Damnit, does that mean I didn't impress you, Cap'n?

    by Novaman5000

    Well shit, I better reevaluate where my life is going. Thank you so much.

  • April 18, 2007, 1:09 p.m. CST

    The Prisoner

    by wolfboy74

    THANK YOU for whomever keeps mentioning Patrick McGoohan as Jacob! How come more of you don't mention the similarities between LOST and The Prisoner?? Black and White thematic motif...a bunch of scientist and important folks trapped on an island (though much debate about WHERE exactly Number 6 was stuck--OH! yeah, and NUMBERS!!!

  • April 18, 2007, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Locke vs Jack. 3. 2. 1. FIGHT!

    by mordiceius

    I'd love to see a little Lord of th Flies action here. If I were to write this, I'd have Locke learning about James Ford's connection to Cooper through the Others. He then goes and finds James, convicing him to come see Cooper. They both start to beat the shit out of him when Ford realises he can't do it, he's a changed man now. Smokey takes out Cooper. Locke returns to the beach and starts a preachy thing to the castaways and Jack confronts him, backed my Sayid. Jack dies in the fight and the castaways are split, half following Locke and Sawyer and the other half following Sayid. A guy can dream, right?

  • April 18, 2007, 1:25 p.m. CST

    I DID hear...(SPOILER)

    by wolfboy74

    --we're leading up to a showdown; then subsequent cohabitation/cooperation for survival (yeah, I'm being cryptic). And anyone thinking Jack dying would be a GOOD thing should think about what his absence would mean for the show/ratings. Though his backstory can be teadious, he is the backbone of the show. I really appreciated hearing the producers describe the show as an overall character(s) study. And as lame as a lot of the flashback are, give us (perhaps useless) info into these character's lives BEFORE the island...showing they were lost, before they were "Lost".

  • April 18, 2007, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Boat vs submarine

    by Leopold Scotch

    I don't think the inconsistency is by accident. It's a bit like Ben getting cancer. Everyone whined when that came up, because Rose got cured and he didn't. But the writers have acknowledged that it is an inconsistency that even Ben doesn't understand, and that it'll probably be dealt with in the future.<br><br>Off the top of my head, concerning the boat, Ben told Michael that he would indeed be able to get away, but that he'd never be able to return, try as he might. The sub, on the other hand, is able to return. It probably has the proper sensory equipment or something. Why should Ben let Juliet and Jack leave on a boat that he's not likely to get back if they went to so much trouble trying to get it in the first place (remember one of their team was killed in the process)?

  • April 18, 2007, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Jack dying pretty much squashes the idea that Christian

    by Novaman5000

    Is Jacob. Could you imagine all the wasted angst if Jack were to die only to have his father revealed as the big bad?? The writers would never do that, they LOVE their daddy issues.<P> AND WHAT THE HELL HAPPENED TO HANSO?!<p> And also, I do think that Sawyer will turn down the chance to kill Locke's Dad, but I think Locke will kill him. Locke gave that man so many chances, and he fucked him every. single. time. Locke can only take so much. Either that or they're both hesitate and let something else take care of him. Needless to say, Anthony Cooper is not long for that Island.

  • April 18, 2007, 1:27 p.m. CST

    imageburn

    by PotSmokinAlien

    im with you man. not only do i like charlie but it would be a little disappointing to be told "hes gonna die" and then just have him go and die. if he's gotta die, at least make it some sort of mindfuck

  • April 18, 2007, 1:28 p.m. CST

    End-of-Season battle.

    by CorpseRide

    It was indicated several months ago that the season would end in a battle.<p> Other spoilers: it will get dark tonight, and President Bush will be constitutionally forced from office in early 2009. These facts have been brought to you from the "no shit, Sherlock" file.

  • April 18, 2007, 1:30 p.m. CST

    This Animosity Towards Herc

    by PotSmokinAlien

    seriously, when did posting a theory come with the stipulation that by posting it you avowed your undying commitment to its truth? dudicand is just trying to peek around the corner before he knows what's there, we've all been guilty of that at one time or another with this show

  • April 18, 2007, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Why, did you find a lump or something?

    by Novaman5000

    Well, ok, but you do know that I'm not a doctor, right? <p>ANYWAY, I always thought that Jack would die in the series finale. I don't know how I feel about the idea of him dying only halfway through the shows run.

  • April 18, 2007, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Corpse, I have no idea what other people know

    by Novaman5000

    And you know how fucking sensitive some people are on this site about spoilers and shit. Better safe than annoyed by idiots.

  • April 18, 2007, 1:33 p.m. CST

    The sub could return until

    by ElPaw

    "The Sky Turned Purple" caused the sonar beacon to shut down. The sub was the only transport unit to be able to be guided to the island.

  • April 18, 2007, 1:35 p.m. CST

    And last week's Mikhail stuff

    by Leopold Scotch

    isn't satisfactory when considering what the others know. They know stuff about people that nobody else would, like Sawyer killing a guy three months earlier. Unless Sawyer was somehow identified as the killer after he got on the plane, how would Mikhail's contact with the outside provide that knowledge? It also comes into play that the others know how to break people, and this probably isn't through reports by Ethan when he was under cover.

  • April 18, 2007, 1:36 p.m. CST

    McGoohan as Jacob

    by Fount of Useless Info

    Everytime I saw this idea, I kept thinking that people were nuts because I was sure that he's been dead for a few years. Finally I went to look it up and nope, he's not dead. You learn something every day.

  • April 18, 2007, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Wow

    by wolfboy74

    I got shit-talked in the talk back forum: I feel like "one of you"! Like my cherry has been popped! Thanks Corpsey!! At least everyone is talking about the same show.

  • April 18, 2007, 1:40 p.m. CST

    And yes, I was being sensitive

    by wolfboy74

    --to peoples concerns regarding spoilers. Thanks for the defense, Novaman! And we haven't seen the last of eyepatch guy--on Lost OR Days of Our Lives! haHAHA

  • April 18, 2007, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Fair enough.

    by CorpseRide

    I don't think there's much point posting spoilers on a talkback like this... you might as well just point people to a fairly comprehensive page like this...</p> http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Season_3/prespoilers </P> ...and let them be done with it. Also, people who post 'theories' should read all of that. If your 'theory' consists of stuff that's already a spoiler, it just looks like you're posting stuff you already know is true to look smart. Tip: doesn't work. Alternatively, if your 'theory' conflicts with known spoilers, you just look dumb.</P> Either way, if you wanna play the spoilers/theories game, you probably need to read the above link, or something like it.

  • April 18, 2007, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Jack is going to die. Yeah. And Locke...and Sawyer...

    by Executor

    You realize this is a television show, right? And that the writers don't just write "cool things"...or kill people off just to show "they have balls"? They have to answer to studio execs who are actually funding the show. And those studio execs have to answer to advertisers, who want ratings. And killing off the main character of your show (and, yes, Jack is the main character) doesn't usually bode well for ratings. And studio execs don't go for that. (Killing off supporting people...or ugly hobbits...yes, that works)<p> The end. <p> p.s. just because they were going to kill the character in the premiere, when it would have been a guest star one ep. appearance, doesn't mean that it's the same thing to kill him off three seasons later when he's an established main character. <p> p.p.s. The end again.

  • April 18, 2007, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Agreed, Corpsey!

    by wolfboy74

    --with your statement.

  • April 18, 2007, 1:52 p.m. CST

    'Tis true, Executor...

    by smellmycheese

    and I agree the show would not purposefully kill off the main character (which Jack is) for the sake of shock tactics (and as far as I know Fox hasn't been charged with drink driving either) but if the guy wants to leave the show because of movie offers... and his contract allows it ...they can't really stop him... so I'm just suggesting the *possibility* that Sawyer is being prepped to take over as lead character/hunk while Jack's storyline could be wrapped up with this two-parter. Personally, I hope he stays with the show til the end, likewise for Kate, Sawyer and Locke but who knows...

  • April 18, 2007, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Speculative, NOT spoiler

    by wolfboy74

    I was wondering if Juliette had anything to do with knocking up Sun?? We know Jin doesn't have the, er, balls for it. I'd hate to think that it's as easy as the OTHER guy Sun was with...and really, don't you find the one HAPPY couple more interesting than the all the other triangles and drama? I mean, it's nice to have ONE, in contrast at the least. I guess that's why Desmond's story is so compelling, to me at least. There is something so pure and simple (you know, besides the time travel/flashes, etc)

  • April 18, 2007, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Don't know if anyone has posted this SPOILER!!!!!!

    by Jor-El23

    SPOILER!!!!!!!!! according to Lostpedia and TV.com, Andrew Divioff/Mikhail appears in next week's Sun/Jin-centric episode.

  • April 18, 2007, 1:54 p.m. CST

    They're not going to kill Jack... or are they?

    by frazzle dazzle

    No, probably not. I don't think I'd want them to for that matter. But if the rumored confrontation is between Locke and Jack I do think the writers are just ballsy enough to kill Jack and have Sawyer take his place. Remember how Hurley was grooming Sawyer to become the leader in Jack's absence only to have Jack return in the next episode? I thought that was pretty strange at the time, but what if it was part of their larger plan? Cue LOST scary/suspenseful music...

  • April 18, 2007, 1:57 p.m. CST

    On-the-fly

    by Steve_Dooku

    Well yeah, writing is not mathematical, but good writing IS mapped out. No, not every single word. The problem comes in when a writer tries to present an explanation by changing the meaning of something else that has already happened. It cheapens everything it touches and it insults the reader/viewer.<br><br> I don't believe for one second that the show had NIkki and Paolo in mind when they wrote season one and we the viewers were on the edge of our seats, watching the mysteries of the island unfold, only to cheapen those events and the emotions by having Nikki and Paolo "been there, done that".

  • April 18, 2007, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Mikhail is not dead.

    by mordiceius

    Mikhail is still alive, and will reappear in D.O.C. The trailor shows him in a brutal confrontation with Jin in the jungle.

  • April 18, 2007, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Great

    by CorpseRide

    I posted the link to lostpedia to stop people duplicating spoilers as if they were their own. Now they're just cutting and pasting them straight from the site. Dude, you even copied the misspelling of "trailor" :-P

  • April 18, 2007, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Another thought...

    by smellmycheese

    Could Rousseau be the one who hanged Charlie from the tree? She may have mistook him for an Other (as she did with Sayid) or did it intentionally (having found an unconscious Charlie who'd been knocked out by Ethan) to create hostile relations between the survivors and the Others (as she did with the black smoke and Aaron's attempted abduction)? If something along these lines is revealed then maybe both sides have been manipulated by Rousseau all along, leading to a possible truce at some point? As I say, just a thought...

  • April 18, 2007, 2:05 p.m. CST

    CorpseRide

    by mordiceius

    I never claimed the spoiler was my own. So I copied and pasted, I'm lazy. This thread IS marked as spoilers so theres no reason not to post them here.

  • April 18, 2007, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Jack being killed in the Pilot

    by jimbojones123

    Come on. Jack has been the start ever since. He was the only guy not working for scale right??? He was being paid like 300K per epi while the rest were being paid like 20K or something. He is the star of the show. He isn't going anywhere.

  • April 18, 2007, 2:10 p.m. CST

    http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Season_3/prespoilers

    by mordiceius

    Just finished reading all that. Wow. These next five episodes are going to kick epic amounts of ass.

  • April 18, 2007, 2:10 p.m. CST

    The ? I most want answered

    by jimbojones123

    WHO CUTS THE POWER CABLE? Will it happen early enough for us to see the others running around in circles crapping their pants and eating it? It will finally put everybody on an equal playing field. We saw the cable in the last preview -- it is going to happen. Will it be Syied, Jack, Kate, LOCKE???

  • April 18, 2007, 2:12 p.m. CST

    About Micheal and Walt being gone for 2 weeks

    by jimbojones123

    Wasn't Deasmond gone for only like 2/3 weeks too. There is about 1 week left in Ben/Juliette's plan. The big clash is happening at the end of the season. Me thinks the Premeire next year will be Walt/Michael coming back. Poor them.

  • April 18, 2007, 2:14 p.m. CST

    I'm so down with the idea that 815 landed safely in LA

    by Cameron1

    There's something huge I think everyone is missing. I heard one of the producers mention in a podcast that there's even something big from the first episode that people haven't noticed yet..although that was some time ago so maybe it's been figured out by now... anyway I'm thinking there is going to be an identity crisis amongst the Losties or something about there being the people who landed in LA and what's on the island are psychic echos of some kind, ok yeh kinda ridiculous I know but I'll put money on there being something to do with alternate or transferred conscious' and that 815 has either been recovered crashed in the ocean with no survivors or that it landed safely.

  • April 18, 2007, 2:17 p.m. CST

    To clarify...

    by Cameron1

    I wasn't saying my theory is what everyone has been missing. I should have made that a little clearer.

  • April 18, 2007, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Cameron1

    by mordiceius

    I think you're wrong, if you saw in the most recent Juliet episode, they go talk to Mikhail after the plain had crashed and you can see a bunch of streaming news on the TVs with ticker tapes saying about how the plane was lost over the Pacific and it never landed. As for the "thing everyone missed in season one" they talked about that in the most recent podcast and said there's nothing from season one that hasn't been covered or expanded on.

  • April 18, 2007, 2:23 p.m. CST

    I have re-evaluated Cap'n Jack's balls...

    by Childe Roland

    ...and I find them lacking.<p> Haven't you usually posted a big old beat-by-beat spoiler of the episode in this thread by now? I thought that was your thing.

  • April 18, 2007, 2:26 p.m. CST

    I think that if a main character is really

    by Novaman5000

    set to die in the finale, I think it will be Locke. But it won't be the last we've seen of him. No freakin way.<p> Jack pisses me off as a character much of the time. But I feel like killing him off now would be a misstep. It's too "in the middle of things". It really all depends on the how and why, I suppose. I'm approaching this with an open mind.

  • April 18, 2007, 2:26 p.m. CST

    The answer

    by wolfboy74

    --about the cable I believe is in an interview or some info somewhere (maybe that prespoiler site)...or maybe I just saw it in a "vision". As for the flight landing safely: didn't we see that news image of "Flight 815 dissappeared"--which I thought felt real and super cool!! This has been such a great string of eps. and sounds like they will continue. BTW: Brian K. Vaugn did a kick-ass Dr, Strange limited series recently...at least I THINK it was him.

  • April 18, 2007, 2:27 p.m. CST

    I'm no ball handler

    by Guy Gaduois

    like Childe Roland, but here, here - where is Cap'n Jack's beat by beat? It usually saves me the trouble of actually watching the show, or indicates whether I should watch the show and see how it's pulled off. Last week was 'watch - worthy'. PS: Childe Roland may not need tactile opportunity to complete 'ball evaluation'. I meant no disrespect, I hold Childe Roland in the highest regard.

  • April 18, 2007, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Childe...

    by -guyinthebackrow

    How closely, exactly, did you re-evaluate another man's balls? And did you really have to RE-evaluate? Thus insinuating that you've, at least, once before done some serious "ball research".

  • April 18, 2007, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Where is the Jericho talkback???

    by StanTheCritic

    Please add a Jericho talkback..you can stick lots of Amazon links in it if you have to.

  • April 18, 2007, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Cap'n Jack

    by Guy Gaduois

    You're a plot - tease. Pants around the ankles, ready to rumble, and now you tell us you're not THAT kind of prom date. Not cool, man. Not cool.

  • April 18, 2007, 2:38 p.m. CST

    interesting

    by Guy Gaduois

    Cap'n Jack has no beat by beat; insiderscoop is down due to illness and we need a pallet jack to evaluate the Cap'n Jack's balls. Elephantitis of the nuts, just like in 'The Breakfast Club'. I thought it a myth . . .

  • April 18, 2007, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Cap'n Jack means

    by Fount of Useless Info

    He does not have it because "Insiderscoop" who gives the in depth spoilers that are found on other sites didn't post anything this week.

  • April 18, 2007, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Cap'n Jack

    by Fount of Useless Info

    I didn't figure it was. That's the same way I get my spoilers. <p> I had intended for it to be a bit more obvious that my post was in jest, but this text only thing makes that difficult at times.

  • April 18, 2007, 3:09 p.m. CST

    To and From the Island....

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    Didn't one of the movies found by locke tell Dharma employees to make their way to the dock to get on the Pala ferry?<br><br>Unless the Pala ferry is the submarine, which i highly doubt, then other vessels could come to the island just as easily provided they could find the sonar and since it's audible by anyone and everyone with the right kit, i highly doubt the Sub had anything special on it.

  • April 18, 2007, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Charlie

    by PwnedByStallone

    I don't why there is doubt that Ethan hung Charlie but if it wasn't than maybe he was hung in the tree by Smokie? He put the pilot in pilot up there kind of, and he threw Eko around in the trees a bit. I hope "Chawlee" doesn't die too. He's one of my favs. I thin khe will though because i think his flashback is going to be him finally finishing a song. And knowing his past and knowing his love for Claire, and knowing the brilliance of Michael Giacchino we're in for a possible tearjerker.

  • April 18, 2007, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Good interview with the genuis here by the way.

    by PwnedByStallone

    http://tinyurl.com/24x65r

  • April 18, 2007, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Y: The Lost Man

    by Calculon

    We find out tonight that Yorick is behind it all!

  • April 18, 2007, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Charlie's death better be really significant.

    by Novaman5000

    Like he better sacrifice himself to save someone else. That's the only way to close his "you'll never be able to take care of anyone!" backstory. An accident just won't fucking do.

  • April 18, 2007, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Charlie - possible minor spoiler

    by PwnedByStallone

    I've heard rumblings that he might be tortured in some way coming soon. That doesn't bode well.

  • April 18, 2007, 3:29 p.m. CST

    Bernard Rose

    by pemdasi

    Last night I rewatched a movie that I discovered as a child sitting in a dusty corner of the local video shop, Paperhouse. If you've never seen it, it is about an english girl who comes down with glandular fever and is bedridden for a few weeks. During this time she discovers that she can draw things and then visit them in her delerious dreams. For example, a house that she draws with a crippled boy inside (who later regains the use of his legs). The part that relates to Lost is, the writer was... "Bernard Rose". Bernard and Rose? People who are crippled getting their ability to walk restored? Wishing for something and having it manifest itself? Interesting.

  • April 18, 2007, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Oh christ...

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    I hope that's not going to be the big ending for the show.<br><br>It's be like the Bobby Ewing death dream all over again. Man, i can just see it being the active mind of John Locke who's in a coma and everyone around him are the main cast. Fuck..now you got me worried pemdasi.

  • April 18, 2007, 3:34 p.m. CST

    What I Gathered...

    by mordiceius

    From reading all the spoilers is: Desmond and the rest find a beacon underwater that may be the way to safety but it got disconnected somehow or something. Charlie will volunteer to go down and fix it and will do so, but die in the process. Just my guess. Thus, he saves everyone.

  • April 18, 2007, 3:41 p.m. CST

    The premiere could easily be about Michael/Walt...

    by DanielKurland

    Because they spoke to Perrineau coming back for the finale, so maybe they wanted that to be the cliffhanger. It's nice to see so much discussion and theories being voiced here though. That's what this show is all about.

  • April 18, 2007, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Michael & Walt

    by arcade fireman

    I can see Harold coming back next season but what to do about Walt? I mean he was 10 years old when he left the island, he can't return 2 weeks later looking like a 13-14 year old kid! But he is a "very special boy".

  • April 18, 2007, 3:46 p.m. CST

    the beacon

    by Steve_Dooku

    Heh heh, just like in Back to the Future when Doc tugs at the cable after the tree falls on it and it unplugs; the beacon got unplugged when Sayid picked it up on the beach.

  • April 18, 2007, 3:48 p.m. CST

    supposedly the rumor was that

    by Novaman5000

    talks fell through for him returning to lost for the finale, but then he goes on to say while on the red carpet for 28 days that he was in talks to come back next season. Had talks fallen through, why would they be entertaining talks for S4? I would be ecstatic if the season cliffhanger somehow involved michael and walt. I really want that storyline to be resolved.

  • April 18, 2007, 3:48 p.m. CST

    "Lost": How It Ends.

    by Napoleon Park

    Wait, it's not De Groots, it's Dig Roots! In the special six-hour season four premiere (two three hour episodes on two consecutive nights), No Flashbacks! Juliet and... let's say Sun... discover all the... um, male virgins... are going blind, from a combination of sexual frustration and a vitamin deficiency that can be cured by massive doses of natural beta carotene eaten in the form of boiled root mash. The entire group of 815 survivors, including the thirty-some others we've never known by name - UNTIL TONIGHT - will dig for carrots, turnips, parsnips and other edible roots. Actually there are flashbacks, but they all occur ON THE ISLAND and after the plane crash: In fact, the entire episode is shown in reverse order so that each scene is a flashback showing what happened immediately before the one preceding it, so by the end of the six hours they have buried all the roots they finished eating in the opening scene. Also, this will be the first all pantomime episode, with no dialog at all - all the new characters introduced by name will be wearing name tags with their official Sawyer Nicknames [tm] printed in (parentheses). And the "Previously On..." teaser will be "Later On..." for this one episode only: and show scenes from upcoming episodes. ***** The show will then go on a nine week hiatus during which the individual hours of the six hour premiere will be shown weekly in random order, except for the all important Hour Five, which will never be rerun and will also be included on the DVD set in a severely truncated form. ***** When the show returns in January the first episode ends with the scenes teased in the season debut's "Later On..." opener. That scene: the discovery of The Dharma Resort and Casino. Although they discover a fully equipped hotel with private rooms, clean beds and private showers, none of the islanders move in, preferring to remain in their tents and huts on the beach for fear that "someone might show up". The next episode, titled "The Game-Changer", picks up from the previous episodes discovery of dozens of unopened packs of playing cards marked with... (wait for it)... the Dharma Initiative Emblem on the back! The games changed: Locke gives up backgammon and computer chess and Hurley turns his beloved ping-pong table into a poker table. ***** Also, global warming causes herds of Giant Squid to migrate north, eating all the fish and urchins and... Charlie and Aaron. The lack of fishing frees up Jin's time and allows him to spend more time studying English, resulting in a variety of highly comedic misnomers. ***** Oh, and Jack, Kate and Steve die, Sawyer really IS banished when Hugo mentions the idea to the group and they all decide it's a good idea and Locke is The Cobra. Vincent digs up Nikki and Paulo and carries their bones around, but they really are dead, not zombies. However his practice of uninterring the dead proves crucial when it turns out the secret map to getting off the island is concealed in Jack's ornate ass tattoo - although no one on the island knows it, only the viewers and four people from Jack's flashback that we've never seen before and won't see again. And the smoke monster IS a Genie; everyone he's killed has been because of someone wishing they were dead. And the VW micro-bus turns out to be really important... until it runs out of gas. Late in the season a five-episode story arc completely ignores the Losties, the Tailies, The Others, the Villagers, The Dharma-bums and the previously unseen Aborigines, and focus on 1.) The Antarctic Listening Station, attentively waiting for another Magnetic Anomaly to triangulate on, which never comes, 2.) Adam and Eve, 3.) Nigerian Drug Smugglers, 4.) The Pirates and 5.) an all flashback but only to events occurring on the Island episode explaining what Rose and Bernard have been doing cooped up in that lean-to all season (and it's not what you think, but it ain't pretty, folks) ***** The season four ender, "A Dream Within a Russian Nesting Doll, Wrapped In An Enigma and Covered With Tangy Cheese", reveals that a an emotionally disturbed Walt, wearing a fallse beard and trapped on a boat eternally looking for land, has been imagining the entire series while staring at an aquarium containing hand painted porcelain versions of various island icons (hatch, 4-toed foot, tattooed shark, Kate's toy airplane, the emergency key, blocks engraved with The Numbers, The Virgin Mary statue, ranch dressing, a gun, etc.). This, however, is a daydream of the psychotic, superstitious Hurley, still in the mental institution with Libby and his imaginary friends. This, however, turns out to be a dream in the mind of the alcoholic Jack Shepherd, despondent over his divorce and the death of his father and the STD he got after picking Ana Lucia up at the airport lounge and missing his flight while having angry bad-cop sex. But it's all just elements of a fan fiction written by Penny while her lover Desmond is away in a boating contest: the future-Desmond must travel back in time and imagine a world in which he never entered that contest and Penny never wrote that story. To be continued in Season Five...(ba-dunnn)... LOST. ***** [DVD bonus material on the Season Four set will include a "making of" doc of the unused and destroyed, never seen Jolene Blalock flashback from season two and the second and third Bai Ling episodes from season three, plus storyboards of unshot scenes of what was supposed to happen with Michael, Walt, Ana Lucia, Libby and Mr. Eko if the actors in those roles hadn't all left the series.] ***** Season Five will debut with an episode called "Counting Down From 100: Ten..." (After 24 episodes in season one, 23 in season two and 22 in season three, season four will be 21 episodes long. The eighteen episode fifth season continues to count down, with the numbers nine, eight, seven and so on incorporated into each episode title. The one-hundred-and-first episode, "Zero Hour", will be a behind the scenes episode in which ABC tells JJ Abrams to explain to Lindelhof and Cuse that sometimes even if a story has come to a natural conclusion it is necessary to pad out a series in order to produce the minimum one hundred episodes required for a really lucrative syndication deal. The entire series is revealed to be... (wait for it)... A WORK OF FICTION created by television writers mining internet chats and fan sites for ideas. Also, in an unresolved cliff-hanger, episode 108, the series finale, ends with Claire possessed by a demon named Bob, Ben Linus turns out to be Number One and when Locke is warned that IF he pushes a button it will destroy the world, he pushes the button... (ba-dunnn) ...LOST. ***** Obsessed fans hold out hopes for years for an oft-rumored theatrical reunion movie which never gets made, although several scripts including one by Kevin Smith are leaked to the Internet for fan feedback. Unfortunately they all pretty much suck and none of them actually resolve any of the series major dangling plot threads.

  • April 18, 2007, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Dude

    by arcade fireman

    How much time did you waste to write all that crap? And how bored am I to read it all?

  • April 18, 2007, 4:01 p.m. CST

    I figured Charles Widmore would end up being

    by TVguy4566

    Jacob or the big boss. Jack's father would be another good guess, but as someone said before, why would Ben need to trick Jack into doing the surgery if the head of the island was a neurosurgeon. As for the five deaths, you gotta expect that at least three of the deaths are relatively minor characters. They can only kill off so many major characters.

  • April 18, 2007, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Widmore...could be?

    by arcade fireman

    Very good theory. Of all the people we've seen he is the most likely. I still think it is someone we have not seen but Charles Widmore would be cool. He just didn't seem the type. More greedy industrialist than island hippie cult leader.

  • April 18, 2007, 4:07 p.m. CST

    Napoleon Park

    by biggles2_22

    What was that middle-thing about the thing in the middle of what you wrote? Just curious.

  • April 18, 2007, 4:08 p.m. CST

    Jacob

    by pemdasi

    Is Charlie Brown.

  • April 18, 2007, 4:09 p.m. CST

    I'd be ok with it being someone we haven't seen yet.

    by Novaman5000

    I'd like this guy to be crazy evil.

  • April 18, 2007, 4:27 p.m. CST

    Cameron

    by leesheri

    I think maybe they haven't landed yet or there is no flight 815. Jack will have had 2 flashbacks that deal with Alice in Wonderland and Through the Looking Glass. <BR> The very first scene is a close up of Jack's eye and pan out. <BR> I honestly think Jack is Alice, and the island is a way of dealing with his fathers death or none of that exist at all. He isn't a dr. He is in some mental facility living in his own world.<BR> Well if Herc can have a crazy theory so can I.

  • April 18, 2007, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Michael might come back...

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    I always thought that Michael, despite murdering someone, would try and tell people about the island and the survivors.<br><br>Of course no one believes him until he peaks the interest of one Penny Widmore...Sorta like him redeeming himself.

  • April 18, 2007, 4:43 p.m. CST

    The dead stay dead on the island

    by leesheri

    or at least that is what the writers say. If anyone that is dead comes back on the show it is because they are in a flashback.<BR> We saw Eko's brothers corpse talking to him, but it said, "Why do you act like you know me. I am not your brother.", and then folks it killed his ass.<BR> So where is everyone getting this idea that the island heals dead people? <BR> Christian Shephard was dead. Jack identified the body in the morgue. <BR> The vision he saw of his father was either the smoke monster causing a vision or the smoke monster inside his father body(which happened to be missing).

  • April 18, 2007, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Napoleon Park is right

    by Strabo

    In five years, everyone will look back at this show with Prequel Trilogy-esque hindsight.

  • April 18, 2007, 4:45 p.m. CST

    lessheri, you wish!

    by Strabo

    Except for Mikhail. He's apparently coming back in a couple episodes, according to the spoilers I've read on SpoilerFix and Lostpedia. So much for the staying-dead policy.

  • April 18, 2007, 4:51 p.m. CST

    Thanx for reading.

    by Napoleon Park

    Arcade Fire (cool name): sorry if you got bored, I was trying to be funny. Actually I wrote that last week and posted it at my Yahoo! group (napoleon_park@yahoo.com) and meant to use it here but somehow both Lost talk-backs vanished before I could add it. Sorry if it came off as outdated or non-sequitor-ish here. Biggles: that middle part was a comment on the decision of the 815ers to not use the resources of the abandoned village. Too subtle?

  • April 18, 2007, 5:13 p.m. CST

    Thanks, Guy...

    by Childe Roland

    ...and you're right. I need not handle the balls to guess their precise diameter and total mass.<p> You see, I was one of the Heroes who didn't make the cut for that show. Apparently my mutant power to determine the exact size and heft of another man's testiles simply by reading something he has typed is, alas, quite useless when it comes to saving cheerleaders.<p>Fun on teh Internets, though.

  • April 18, 2007, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Time to set the record straight.

    by Dapper Swindler

    1) Christian Shepherd is dead. He is not Jacob.<p> 2) So is Yemi<p> 3) Neither Kate, Jack, nor any of the other Losties are secretly working for the others.<p> 4) Jacob is not secretly anyone who we have already seen. He is a person we do not yet know, like how Linderman turned out on Heroes. You will first see him in Ben's flashback episode<p> 5) Desmond cannot "time travel" and neither can anyone else in that sense.

  • April 18, 2007, 5:44 p.m. CST

    Well if BaiLing said she's doing 3 eps this season

    by Novaman5000

    it does make sense that Jack's is the finale (a 2 ep special) and she's probably in both. How that works, who knows.

  • April 18, 2007, 5:46 p.m. CST

    D T J

    by ToughGuyRizzo

    Don't Trust Juilet. I said it last week and I'll say it again. I want to stab that bitch. And smack theat "Non-Smirk" off her fuckin face.

  • April 18, 2007, 5:46 p.m. CST

    Desmond cannot time travel, BUT

    by Novaman5000

    He did go back in time in that failsafe moment. The creators have confirmed that.<p> Also, why all this jacob spec suddenly. Do we have any solid info saying we'll discover his identity before the finale?

  • April 18, 2007, 5:48 p.m. CST

    tvguy/ arcade fireman

    by PotSmokinAlien

    i am encouraged to see that you agree that charles widmore is up to no good, acrade fireman. this loose end has escaped your firehose.. which can mean only one thing... ha. but for serious, here is a question for ya. back during the LOST experience real life game or whatever.... i have this vague recollection of talk about how the widmore corp. "built the island?" am i making this up or does that ring a bell for anyone else?

  • April 18, 2007, 5:49 p.m. CST

    The one thing I like about NP's mind-dump is

    by Novaman5000

    the idea that the series should end at 108 episodes. That'd be sweet.

  • April 18, 2007, 5:51 p.m. CST

    I think that alot of people are assuming that Penny

    by Novaman5000

    is looking for desmond. What if she's ACTUALLY looking for the island and doesn't even know he's there. Either way, her involvement is VERY strong evidence that her father is involved with the island in a large way. How else would she know of its existance?

  • April 18, 2007, 5:55 p.m. CST

    And that Snake Ben

    by ToughGuyRizzo

    I'd like to predict he has a plan for everything. Juilet's got just as much motive to whack Ben as McCauley had to whack Van Zant. Jack can't be that stupid either. Having him turn on her would be great and side with the Losties who risked alot to go after him. But either way it seems Ben's all knowing. A real suprise would be for him to be upstaged. Either way someone's gotta turn. Let's hope the writer's dont fuck it up!

  • April 18, 2007, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Michael / Finale [SPOILERS]

    by CorpseRide

    Reading between the lines of some of the spoilers... the producers wanted him back for the finale because he met up with Penny off the island, and came back with her.<br> I think Penny shows up in the finale, and Michael is with her. The question is whether we actually see him in the finale. If not, assume he is on her boat or whatever, but 'below decks', and will show himself in Season 4 Episode 1.

  • April 18, 2007, 6:10 p.m. CST

    Will Jacob's identity be revealed in season 4...

    by smellmycheese

    as foreshadowed in 'Expose'... "HURLEY: No way. Mr. LaShade was the Cobra? ... CHARLIE: Is that supposed to mean something? ... HURLEY: Dude the Cobra's this big bad guy. His identity's been shrouded in mystery for four seasons." ... and since the Cobra's character was supposed to be a good guy and Jack's tattoo says "He walks among us but is not one of us" I'm open to the possibility that there is more to Jack than his one-off surgical miracle and shitty marriage... so perhaps the finale will provide a bit more (much needed) development. Who knows. Then again, it could all just be a red herring. Gah, who am I kidding. I ain't got a fkn clue what's going on. It's a shame Nikki has gone, though. She had nice boobs.

  • April 18, 2007, 6:10 p.m. CST

    We shall see, but I heard that

    by Novaman5000

    Walt's growth will be worked into the storyline somehow, which makes you wonder if time isn't passing differently on the island these days.

  • April 18, 2007, 6:28 p.m. CST

    Widmore Industries

    by arcade fireman

    The Lost Experience didn't mention Widmore I don't think. It was more about The Hanso Foundation and their deveopment of the DHARMA project on the island to study and change the Valenzetti Equation (4,8,15,16,23,42). A Widmore, Arthur Widmore was mentioned in that crap novel Bad Twin. But through that we did learn that there is a connection between Widmore and Hanso, but what that is isn't clear. I too believe that the myterious Jacob will be someone we haven't met but this person will play a major role in Season 4 I'll bet. But Charles Widmore is involved in someway with the Island and I do not believe it was a mistake that Desmond crashed his boat there nor do I believe it was a chance encounter with Libby that gave him the boat. There are dozens of lingering mysteries but the backstories of Libby and Charles Widmore rank near the top of the "need to know more" list.

  • April 18, 2007, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Well either way she knows about the island

    by Novaman5000

    And the only way is cuz of her daddy.

  • April 18, 2007, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Walt

    by arcade fireman

    That would make sense if we learn that time on the island and time in the real world is different. But I've always felt that the Island is in the real world. There are birds and fish in the Ocean. The sun rises and sets everyday. The weather changes, etc..so I believe the island is a real place in our reality but the Elctromagnetic properties of the island may have hidden it somehow. There will most likely be a logical explanation.

  • April 18, 2007, 6:32 p.m. CST

    More thoughts...

    by smellmycheese

    1) 108 episodes in total to complete the series would be pretty cool ... 2) If Charlie isn't in season 4 (as rumours would have it) would Evangeline Lilly decide to quit soon after (somehow I doubt it) ... 3) May be time on the island does work normally, only Walt has been injected with a growth hormone for some reason and Michael brings him back to the island for treatment (I seriously don't think Michael would return to the island out of choice considering the reception he'd receive... it would also explain why the Others were happy to let Walt go considering his perceived importance, knowing he'd be back) ... 4) Jack suspects that Juliette is not genuine and lulling her into a false sense of security (keep your friends close and your enemies closer and all that) ... 5) Juliette actually wants to join the Losties and will double-cross the Others, not the survivors

  • April 18, 2007, 6:37 p.m. CST

    Jack?

    by arcade fireman

    I don't buy that Jack is oblivious to Juliet and what she is doing. He knows something. No way did he keep his head down and not ask questions. He either is working with them or he is playing it cool so as to fuck up the plan later on. There is a reason he gets the finale flashback!

  • April 18, 2007, 6:38 p.m. CST

    Novaman

    by fatsackowind

    I, too, believe Penny is just looking for the island, not Desmond. She, and Mr. Hume, will be in for a surprise. What fun would it be if she actually expected to see him?

  • April 18, 2007, 6:38 p.m. CST

    i think that for a long time the island WAS in the

    by Novaman5000

    real world. But when that sky turned purple, things changed. The failsafe going off obviously had to have SOMETHING to do with the timestream, as it tossed poor desmond back in time for a bit.

  • April 18, 2007, 6:39 p.m. CST

    Walt

    by CorpseRide

    All they said was that the actor's growth would be 'addressed'. That could simply mean that they address it by writing him out of the show, not by making it a plot feature.<br> As for 'time dilation', I thought this was a possibility until last week's ep. All the time they showed the 'real world' on monitors (including the Sox game) I thought it was misdirection... possibly it was old news they were presenting as current, that kind of thing. But the '3 years' thing with Juliet blows the theory away. She arrives in 2001. The Losties arrive in 2004. She remarks, just before they arrive, that "tomorrow I will have been here three years". There's no way there's a time dilation effect. Now it IS still possible that they island is in the future, and that they took Juliet into the future, and that the Losties plane got sucked into the future too. But then the island is in the future by a set amount, and time passes at the usual rate. Oh, and somehow Penny is able to detect them and travel there. So that theory is pretty bloody unlikely as well.

  • April 18, 2007, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Walt aging

    by leesheri

    could be explained away with him wanting himself older/bigger so he could rescue his friends. He has that weird think it and it happens thing going on. Lame I know, but it could happen.

  • April 18, 2007, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Failsafe

    by arcade fireman

    Good point Novaman, the turning of the failsafe key has consequesnces. What they are I don't know but considering what it has done to Desmond I can totally buy it fucking space & time on the island. DAMN I LOVE THIS SHOW!!!

  • April 18, 2007, 6:45 p.m. CST

    novaman

    by leesheri

    that is possible because during the Artz episode he pointed out how it would be monsoon season, because of the tide and time of year etc. How long, island time, has it been? <BR> Oh, and did you you ever watch that movie that has Sayid in it? Was it any good?

  • April 18, 2007, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Purple Sky

    by fatsackowind

    I'm wondering if the sky had turned purple before Desmond turned the failsafe key. Also, ****POTENTIAL SPOILER IN MY NEXT POST****

  • April 18, 2007, 6:47 p.m. CST

    NEXT SPOLERIEISH POSTISH

    by fatsackowind

    SPOILER!!! Oceanic flight 815 is found to have crashed somewhere in the "real" world, and everyone is presumed dead. Naomi provides this tidbit of info.

  • April 18, 2007, 6:49 p.m. CST

    RE:Purple Sky

    by arcade fireman

    The sky was not purple when Desond brought down Flight 815 during the System Failure. Only when the failsafe was turned and the "Dam was blown" did the sky go purple. Although it is possible it happened before back during the Dharma days and that is the what Marvin Candle referred to as the "incident: that started the button pushing to begin with.

  • April 18, 2007, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Room 23

    by arcade fireman

    Totally off topic, but I rewatched Season 2 over the weekend and during "three Minutes" Ms. Klough threatens Walt that she'll put him back in "the room". I forgot about that and didn't think of it when Kate & Sawyer rescued Karl. So maybe Room 23 is not for brainwashing as I first thought but used as a psycological torture/punishment? Small detail but I found it cool that even during Season 2 the writers had already mapped out Room 23. Anyone who says these guys are making it up as they go along is crazy.

  • April 18, 2007, 6:54 p.m. CST

    People need to lay off of Rousseau

    by leesheri

    She is just a crazy rifle wielding mother who lost her child. So she killed a few people, but they had the sickness. Sheesh!

  • April 18, 2007, 6:57 p.m. CST

    RE: RE: Purple Sky

    by fatsackowind

    BUT, what if it happened at a point we haven't seen before the plane crashed on the island due to a completely different circumstance. Tom says, "ever since the sky turned purple" He may not be referring, to his own people, the latest time the sky turned purple. This would help to explain why a surgeon on island would be needed. Although, now I'm thinking, we saw footage of the news coverage of the crash of 815 sooo, they still had communications. Nevermind, too much red wine.

  • April 18, 2007, 7:01 p.m. CST

    Ben's Surgery

    by arcade fireman

    As we saw last week, Ben only learned of the cancer the day before the crash. Mikhael probably found out pretty quick hat one of the passengers was a spinal surgeon. And Ben probably doesn't want to leave the island under any circumstances (probably has never left) so it made sense that Jack was option 1. Why they did it the violet, creppy manner that they did is still a mystery but these fuckers are CRAAAAAZY!!!

  • April 18, 2007, 7:04 p.m. CST

    ender smites foes

    by PotSmokinAlien

    they are called 'loose end killers' around these parts

  • April 18, 2007, 7:11 p.m. CST

    Ben's Reluctance to Leave

    by PotSmokinAlien

    i agree about the widmores being right up near the top of that need to know list (im gonna take that as a clue that we will find out more tonight), but something that i am really also itching to know is WHY the hell ben is so reluctant to leave the island. i cant believe it's just because he is some crazy megalomaniac. given what was revealed last week about the lack of baby making power island inhabitants have i feel like i gotta join the school of thought that says ben really was "born" out of the "magic box?" (figuratively speaking)

  • April 18, 2007, 7:11 p.m. CST

    That's me!

    by arcade fireman

    A Loose End Killer....that's why Damon & Carlton pay me the big bucks! I WISH!!!

  • April 18, 2007, 7:14 p.m. CST

    I was...

    by arcade fireman

    born from my Mom's "Magic Box"

  • April 18, 2007, 7:14 p.m. CST

    leesheri

    by PotSmokinAlien

    you think we're ever gonna hear about this sickness again? last week i was like, shit, they remembered about the sickness, claires got it. but nope. now im not on the 'rousseau is an other' wagon yet but she's gotta still be around for some reason. i will say this, i think she's one of the few elements of the show that they knew exactly what was doing there from day 1, so heres hoping when her big moment comes it does not come in the form of a big smokey fist.

  • April 18, 2007, 7:15 p.m. CST

    ArcadeFire

    by fatsackowind

    Duuhhh, I didn't even let it sink in the timeline in which Ben found his beloved tumor. It all makes sense now. Thank you. (mm, wine) BTW, just to let you know what I'm going through right now, I've just watched a young girl be attacked by what I assumed are her classmates. She was kissing one of them and the other boys started grabbing her, it was disturbing and it's not over. What the f*** do I do? This is right out my window on the sidewalk and people are walking by like nothing's happening.

  • April 18, 2007, 7:17 p.m. CST

    OT:Break That Shit Up

    by arcade fireman

    Dude, due the right thing and give those kids a beat down and show them what happens when they disrespect the young lady.

  • April 18, 2007, 7:18 p.m. CST

    This episode has such a good opening...

    by DanielKurland

    Pretty good so far.

  • April 18, 2007, 7:19 p.m. CST

    DanielKurland

    by arcade fireman

    It's on already? I guess time & space aren't the same in Charlotte, NC and wherever you are.

  • April 18, 2007, 7:22 p.m. CST

    OT: Disturbed

    by fatsackowind

    This has just been the weirdest hour. They seem to be gone, but I heard yelling just a few minutes ago. Also, this broken umbrella they were carrying is out on the lawn like a ghostly reminder. I feel like it was a presentation for me like Jeffrey in the closet in that infamous Blue Velvet scene. I shouldn't be privy to such wacked out scenarios. I'm a sensitive lad, yo. This is just maddening, I wanted to open the window and yell something but I thought someone on the street would do something.

  • April 18, 2007, 7:22 p.m. CST

    arcade fireman

    by ElPaw

    SK is in Canadia.

  • April 18, 2007, 7:22 p.m. CST

    arcade fireman

    by ElPaw

    DK is in Canadia.

  • April 18, 2007, 7:23 p.m. CST

    first names??? AHA the proof i finally needed

    by PotSmokinAlien

    i kill me. arc, your silence on the topic of magic boxes speaks volumes. now its time to get off this thing, live up to my name and then get ready for that sawyer-to-locke pistol whip! the rest of this episode could be hurley jumpstarting 10,000 dharmamobiles for all i care, as long as they nail that moment i will be a happy PSA

  • April 18, 2007, 7:24 p.m. CST

    OT: Ok, weirder.

    by fatsackowind

    A guy is using the umbrella to pick up his dog's pooh.

  • April 18, 2007, 7:25 p.m. CST

    eh?

    by arcade fireman

    Take off you lucky Canadian hoser! You get the show 2 hours earlier and don't have to stay up until 11pm. Don't spoil the fun between now and then though. Ok, eh!

  • April 18, 2007, 7:26 p.m. CST

    alien

    by leesheri

    I read about her on lostpedia.com (someone posted the link above somewhere), and they point out a ton of discrepancies with her story. I still stand by the fact that she is crazy. Crazy people can't tell accurate stories. <BR> They also mention what she was saying in French on the radio: The message left at the radio tower is not totally consistent with her story. The radio tower message suggests that another person (Brennan) was alive and had taken some keys. She also says that "it [or he] killed them all" and that "it [or he] was outside her location when she was recording her message."

  • April 18, 2007, 7:26 p.m. CST

    Dharmamobile

    by fatsackowind

    Has anyone seen any of the pretty pictures? The pooh umbrella is gone, btw.

  • April 18, 2007, 7:29 p.m. CST

    fatsack

    by leesheri

    What are you doing on the fucking computer? Stop them, call the cops first in case they decide to attack you too.

  • April 18, 2007, 7:32 p.m. CST

    Sweet zombie Jesus

    by fatsackowind

    They're gone. No matter now. All I have is my surreal memories which I can word vomit to someone at a future point. I'm buzzed on red wine and in no shape to confront some young hoodlums (did i just say "hoodlums"?) ANYWAYS, the VW is back and it's swinging!!!!!!!!!!!

  • April 18, 2007, 7:33 p.m. CST

    Dude

    by arcade fireman

    I'll elt you know if I find a poop smeared umbrella. That way you can stick up the lil bastards asses should they return.

  • April 18, 2007, 7:34 p.m. CST

    and NOW, i've received my first

    by fatsackowind

    mispronounced telemarketer call and I'm officially traumatized. my name's Gavin not Gayyvin. Idiot child.

  • April 18, 2007, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Charlie hung....Himself?

    by Cheif Brody

    Is it possible we'll get a Charlie flashback that will show him increasingly immersed in his smack habit...and realizing Drive Shaft is falling apart...and possibly a chick or family member breaks his tiny Hobbit heart...and we see him attempting/contemplating suicide...only to get pulled back from the brink at the last second by Liam? I mean...he was headed back to LA after Liam put the final nail in the Drive Shaft coffin...he's crashed on Craphole Island...he allowed his best girl Claire to be abducted by Ethan, whom he swore to protect...perhaps when Jack & Kate found him swinging there...it was by his OWN doing? Perhaps he was suppose to DIE then, except J & K found him first...all well before Des's pre-cog powers kicked in. Who knows?...it's Lost, for crap sakes! As for Christian "returning" from the dead...well, it wouldn't be "returning" if he never died in the first place. Perhaps there's a reason his coffin was found empty...that said...I seriously doubt "he's" Jacob...but having a connection to Widmore/Hanso/Piak/ Dharma etc cannot be ruled out...he's got a direct connections with so many of the Losties...Coinky-dink? I think not. And as for the "pussified" Sawyer...I for one think it's all to set him up to get "hurt" down the road...Hurley's "be nice" experiment caused Sawyer to open up to his fellow castaways and abandon his loner ways...I think he will ultimately be betrayed for allowing himself to get in this new "vulnerable" position...and he'll be right back to his "fuck everyone" self. It's classic storytelling....make the meany "friendly"...then stomp on him for his troubles. It's the only way to "punish" that type of character. I don't think it has ANYTHING to do with the writer's "grooming" Sawyer to become the new leader of the Losties. As far as TPTB "makin it up as they go"...I had the biggest problem with them showing the picture Desmond looked at of himself and Penny at the beginning of Season 2...with a completely DIFFERENT actress...wearing a WHITE shirt...only to have the pic show up again after Sonya Walger was cast to play Penny...with her Photoshop'd in...wearing a BLACK shirt in later eppy's. C'mon now...if they KNEW the Des/Pen arc was gonna be so crucial to the Season 2 finale...(where we got our very first "OFF ISLAND/NON-FLASHBACK" moment)...why the hell would they not have the CORRECT actress posing with Desmond in the original picture? Des could have just has easily been staring at a letter signed 'Love Always, Penny' and gotten the same message across...he misses her. Instead, we get the old 'switch-a-roo' of the pics...which they later went back and FIXED for the Season 2 DVD release. Sure, Sonya Walger may not have been able to pose for the original pic...scheduling...etc...But I have a feeling that TPTB of Lost had NO IDEA at the beginning of Season 2 that it would end with Penelope receiving that cryptic phone call from the arctic Portuguese dudes saying they'd "found" the island. If they knew all THAT at the beginning of Season 2...why would they have bothered to give us this long lingering close up of the original Des/Pen photo with a different actress standing in? I'd have felt better if they just say..."yeah...the whole phone call thing from the artic tracking station...Um...yeah...we made that up about mid-season...after Sonya became available to play Penny...and the fans found her to be such a strong character...Our bad". It's possible TPTB always knew that the "challah" scene, as they called it, in the Season 2 finale was always gonna happen at some point...but I have a hard time believing that it was suppose to be Penny (Sonya) on the other side of that phone call...especially when getting around showing a picture of an "uncasted" part that ended up having such a huge impact on the finale would have been so easy. I'd also just like them to come out and say..."it's about 50/50...50% is pre-planned...and 50% is made up during the season, partly based on fan reaction to the events as they unfold". I'm sure they have an overall story arc for Lost...a beginning, a middle, and an end...but, little mistakes like that photo gaffe, always make me feel a little weary. But, as TPTB have said, there's no grand "ending" to the show that is going to please everyone...I say...just enjoy the great TV show they put on the screen every week...and keep your nervous fingers crossed TPTB are not gonna let us down.

  • April 18, 2007, 7:35 p.m. CST

    The Work Man Van

    by arcade fireman

    Will return during Ben's flashback next month. I hope we get to see Roger and find out where he got all the Dharma beer. Why haven't ABC/Touchstome developed more DHARMA swag? I'd love a Swan Station sticker for my car window.

  • April 18, 2007, 7:42 p.m. CST

    Spoilers below!

    by leesheri

    I found these on lostspoilersblogspot or something They actually address some things we discussed here. Here they are: <BR><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>Juliet is up to no good. - There's going to be a Goodwin story in the future, although it's hard to determine if they are joking - Something "fairly momentous" is going to happen in Catch-22 - D.O.C will take us back to the death-of-pregnant-women storyline - The question arose of the now famous "did we miss something in the pilot" question. They called it a false rumour and that no hidden clue from the pilot has been un-addressed. The last remaining one is: "Guys, where are we?" - We will see Dharma before the purge and we might see how they repelled the smoke monster with the sonic fence. - Mentioned Smokie was "Taking Pictures Of Juliet" and "Similar To Reading Eko" - M.C. Gainey and Carlton Have Worked Together Before - Rachel may not have had the cancer come back... Ben's folder may have been a lie, MAY. - Smoke monsters cant jump - It can go vertical but they raise this question... "Can it detach from the ground?" - Lost Video Game - XBOX360 PS3 and PC and Damon and Carlton are Working with Ubisoft to make it.

  • April 18, 2007, 7:45 p.m. CST

    Arcade...

    by Cheif Brody

    I actually MADE a Swan station sticker...It's on my car window right now!! Glad I'm not the only idiot!!

  • April 18, 2007, 7:52 p.m. CST

    The second wave action figures.

    by Napoleon Park

    The Jin action figure showing him with his wrists bound behind his back, running from the Others, seems a little impractical, but that Sun sunning herself on the beach figure is sweet. though how it stands up with that blanket billowing out behind her in the wind like a cape is quizzical: it must have a very sturdy and heavily counterbalanced base. *** Was anyone actually hoping for a Mr. Eko with Jesus Stick action figure? *** and why aren't these figures in scale to either Barbie or GI Joe so I can take them to Plane Wreck Debris Strewn Beach Playset for cool cross license fun?

  • April 18, 2007, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Brody

    by arcade fireman

    You should sell them on ebay! I'd buy one! I'm Out!

  • April 18, 2007, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Action Figures

    by arcade fireman

    SOunds cool...I've got the whole Hatch scene from McFarlane Toys with Jack, Locke, Kate and Hurley on my desk at the office. It's quite the conversation piece.

  • April 18, 2007, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Another mildly above average episode; no spoilers...

    by DanielKurland

    Started out strong, and had an interesting episode, but I failed to be wowed. These last episodes haven't been bad, but they've failed to have a special touch to them in my opinion. I'm sure they're saving all the really great stuff for the final ones, which I'm fine with. A lot of good stuff with Sawyer and Kate, and Sawyer and Jack. And Jin even has a great moment. I didn't find the flashback to be terribly interesting, but it certainly wasn't bad either. Just hope these last five not only have great character moments, but really further and twist what we've come to known with this show. I know they're capable of it, so let's see it happen.

  • April 18, 2007, 7:59 p.m. CST

    Another mildly above average episode; no spoilers...

    by DanielKurland

    Started out strong, and had an interesting episode, but I failed to be wowed. These last episodes haven't been bad, but they've failed to have a special touch to them in my opinion. I'm sure they're saving all the really great stuff for the final ones, which I'm fine with. A lot of good stuff with Sawyer and Kate, and Sawyer and Jack. And Jin even has a great moment. I didn't find the flashback to be terribly interesting, but it certainly wasn't bad either. Just hope these last five not only have great character moments, but really further and twist what we've come to known with this show. I know they're capable of it, so let's see it happen.

  • April 18, 2007, 8:09 p.m. CST

    OMG MC Gainey is my World Lit teachers friend Mike

    by leesheri

    I didn't realize it. She told us that her old school friend, Mike, was in the movie Sideways playing the naked guy running down the street. Didn't know he was Mr. Smiley from Lost. Wow, small world.

  • April 18, 2007, 8:15 p.m. CST

    sorry

    by leesheri

    Mr. Friendly not Smiley

  • April 18, 2007, 8:26 p.m. CST

    Anyone remember Mr. Friendly from ABC's...

    by DanielKurland

    other show, Miracles? Now that show was something.

  • April 18, 2007, 8:43 p.m. CST

    I really hope the finale doesn't end with...

    by DanielKurland

    Penny showing up. I'm fine if this happens in the finale, but I hope it's not their "oh shit" moment. I don't know if it was ever stated that it was going to happen, but the fact that everyone is assuming, myself included, that it will be happening in the finale removes any element of surprise regarding it.

  • April 18, 2007, 8:55 p.m. CST

    Requiem for a Dream music!!

    by I Dunno

    You know whenever you hear that, there's some dramatic shit coming up!<p>Dah da DAH da da dah. Dah da DAH da da dah. Dah da DAH da da dah....</p>

  • April 18, 2007, 8:57 p.m. CST

    up one octave!

    by I Dunno

    Dah da DAH da da dah. Dah da DAH da da dah. Dah da DAH da da dah....

  • April 18, 2007, 9:12 p.m. CST

    boner!

    by naked_mandy

    that is all.

  • April 18, 2007, 9:18 p.m. CST

    this has the makings

    by MeshGearFoxx

    of a great ending

  • April 18, 2007, 9:20 p.m. CST

    MeshGearFox...

    by DanielKurland

    You're not wrong.

  • April 18, 2007, 9:24 p.m. CST

    It's always better when they're crying

    by I Dunno

    Freckles is a slut. Bong!

  • April 18, 2007, 9:33 p.m. CST

    DanielKurland

    by MeshGearFoxx

    That's great to hear. The buildup during this episode is so well done. Outside of Locke, I've always thought Desmond has had the best episodes and this one seems to be another.

  • April 18, 2007, 9:35 p.m. CST

    Rousseau is from Dharma

    by wolfboy74

    That's what I've been thinking: her and her husband were scientists...though they were answering a distress call to the island--okay, maybe not the best theory. But I DEFINATELY think Jack is on to Juliette and will fuck her shit up...after actually f*cking her!

  • April 18, 2007, 9:35 p.m. CST

    Rousseau is from Dharma

    by wolfboy74

    That's what I've been thinking: her and her husband were scientists...though they were answering a distress call to the island--okay, maybe not the best theory. But I DEFINATELY think Jack is on to Juliette and will fuck her shit up...after actually f*cking her!

  • April 18, 2007, 9:44 p.m. CST

    "How 'bout some afternoon delight?"

    by amychaser5

    I love it.

  • April 18, 2007, 9:51 p.m. CST

    damn, he done did it.

    by MeshGearFoxx

    guess it had to be

  • April 18, 2007, 9:57 p.m. CST

    Did you all catch that?

    by Spacejockey426

    The picture on the abbot's desk - it had the white haired lady who refused to sell Desmond the ring . . ..

  • April 18, 2007, 9:59 p.m. CST

    Penny is like

    by ElPaw

    black!<p>And what the hell is one Britisher saying to another Britisher "grape jelly"?

  • April 18, 2007, 10 p.m. CST

    Who the F was that????

    by MeshGearFoxx

    Man watching Desmond cutting down the chut was heartbreaking until that happened!

  • April 18, 2007, 10:05 p.m. CST

    Yeah spacejockey

    by memento108

    I was wondering if I was the only one....good eye. And now who the hell is this girl?

  • April 18, 2007, 10:07 p.m. CST

    space jockey

    by gwarwilleatyou

    I was trying to figure out who that was, because the picture looked way to photoshopped to not be of importance. Cool.

  • April 18, 2007, 10:08 p.m. CST

    Did anyone REALLY expect it...

    by Cheif Brody

    to be Penny under that pilot's helmet? That would NOT have been Lost!! It's Niaomi!! I have a feeling her helicopter hit the same invisible "snowglobe" wall around Craphole Island that broke apart 815.

  • April 18, 2007, 10:10 p.m. CST

    That "108" bottles of wine

    by ElPaw

    felt like the most forced usage of the numbers ever.

  • April 18, 2007, 10:10 p.m. CST

    The Picture

    by savagexp

    Doc Jensen said in his article today that there was a major Easter Egg that would throw viewers for a "Loop" and he indicated the word "loop" was a clue.<br /><br />I figured we'd see the old woman because of the rather large broach she wore that appeared to be like a dragon chasing it's own tail or something (thus making a loop).<br /><br />I am a bit disappointed that they couldn't do a better photoshopping job on that image. I'm guessing she's supposed to be head-monk dude's mom.

  • April 18, 2007, 10:11 p.m. CST

    Wow there may have been a few tears

    by leesheri

    When they said she was alive I was jumped, but then it wasn't her. She, whoever she is, said, "Desmond" So is she a P.I. hired by Penny to find her man?<BR>I knew Desmond wouldn't let Charlie die. <BR>wolf - that sounds more probable than the "evil Rousseau" theories tossed around here. <BR> spacejockey - no way! I hope people put up pictures asap. My TV sucks. All I saw was the picture frame and a blurry white rectangle inside it.<BR> If that was her what does that mean? Are they angels guiding him in the right direction? Or just people gifted like he is? <BR>

  • April 18, 2007, 10:21 p.m. CST

    Shocker

    by ElPaw

    The satellite phone was broken. Charlie summed it up perfectly.

  • April 18, 2007, 10:26 p.m. CST

    Does the island seem more and more Garden of Eden like?

    by leesheri

    The healing affect it has on people<BR> Women can't have children<BR> Smokey(ies) could be cherubin (taken from wikipedia ->)described as having an indefinite shape, appearing variously as men, women, spirits, or angelic beings

  • April 18, 2007, 10:27 p.m. CST

    sorry typo

    by leesheri

    cherubim not cherubin -- too much wine

  • April 18, 2007, 10:32 p.m. CST

    Elpaw

    by oisin5199

    the bigger question is, what is a Scotsman doing supporting Celtic? Must not be from Glasgow.

  • April 18, 2007, 10:33 p.m. CST

    I'll give $100 bucks to anyone....

    by torpor_haze

    that translates Jin's ghost story.

  • April 18, 2007, 10:38 p.m. CST

    torpor

    by leesheri

    Not a wise thing to say. There is a guy on here that can translate his Korean. I think he even went so far as to say that Jin has a bad accent. Did he mention it was a Texas accent?

  • April 18, 2007, 10:38 p.m. CST

    'you and jin. I'll stick with Desmond'

    by MeshGearFoxx

    great line. Does anyone know if there will be one or two more seasons? I know everyone is like 'answers, answers' but I hope it's 2. This show is too damn good.

  • April 18, 2007, 10:50 p.m. CST

    Old Boy

    by chavee

    Know i's off topic but some news sites like drudge are running a story comparing the VT shooter to Park's Old Boy. That was a great movie and those comparisons are an insult to Old Boy. Lame bastards.

  • April 18, 2007, 10:59 p.m. CST

    Re: Jin's ghost story

    by Osmosis Jones

    I thought he was doing the classic "And there, on the door handle, was a hook!" story...

  • April 18, 2007, 11 p.m. CST

    Picture on Desk **Spoiler

    by da-giez

    I thought it was that woman too... my wife said..."huh, who"? Women......

  • April 18, 2007, 11 p.m. CST

    Charlie wasn't going to die all along...

    by rodvegas78

    I went back and checked out Desmond's flashbacks at the beginning of the show frame by frame.. though, Desmond didn't pick up on it.. Charlie was right there holding the parachute when they cut the lady down.. The only question I have about Desmond's flashbacks, though.. Penny appears.. I'm not sure if it's a shot of Penny talking to Desmond when they first meet.. or if Penny is going to eventually BE on the island.. or if showing Penny basically means that she's searching for him.. Penny being in Desmond's "vision" is the only part that was part of the flashback, though.. Overall, a friggin' great episode, brotha! Desmond's got stones twice da size of Jack's, brotha!! Speaking of Jack, anyone catch Matthew Fox's bit role in that crappy Smokin' Aces flick??

  • April 18, 2007, 11 p.m. CST

    oisin5199, you need to learn your scottish football

    by zacdilone

    Plenty of Celtic fans in Glasgow, because Celtic is FROM Glasgow. The question isn't where you're from, it's what's your background. Rule of thumb: Protestant=Rangers supporter, Catholic=Celtic supporter.

  • April 18, 2007, 11 p.m. CST

    Did they find Captain Nemo yet?

    by kabong

    Or is the autistic kid's fantasy?

  • April 18, 2007, 11:03 p.m. CST

    Desmond's vision

    by lordgrimplemort

    I can't tell why Desmond wanted to let Charlie die. He said that if he changed anything, it would change the end result. Well, from what I saw, his vision originally ended in finding what he thought was Penny hanging dead from a tree, so why would he want that not to change? And come to think of it, didn't the vision show Charlie, Hurley and Jin holding the parachute to catch the falling person? How did Desmond figure that would happen if Charlie died before they found her? I think they made a big mistake throwing time travel/visions of the future into a show with so many different inexplicable things happening. I hope I'm wrong, though. And is Desmond's monk evil or what? Why the picture of him with that mean old lady from the jewelry store?

  • April 18, 2007, 11:04 p.m. CST

    Chief Brody

    by The Alienist

    As for the picture of Pen, they had obviously not cast her yet. You can't cast someone that far in advance and expect them to be able to be free to trek to Hawaii when they finally need her, half a year later. As for Charlie, I've thought that Jack saving him after Ethan "killed" him might have been part of his predestined death, but I'm convinced whatever is happening to him has to do with his proximity to the Hatch when it imploded/exploded and how odd he was acting when he rejoined Claire on the beach right after...

  • April 18, 2007, 11:05 p.m. CST

    Jacob's Ladder

    by NetProphet

    JACOB + MORIAH = Stairway to Heaven? "there is a story of Jacob’s dream of a ladder reaching heaven in the Book of Genesis,... During a journey, Jacob realizes that he has traveled too far and has forgotten to pray at the site where his father and grandfather had prayed. This site of prayer is also where Abraham’s loyalty was tested (known as the Akeidah trial) as God requests Abraham kill his only son, Isaac. At the last moment, Abraham is stopped by God from killing Isaac, and a ram caught in the thicket is killed in Isaac’s place. The site of the Akeidah is the same site where the First and Second Temples were built on Mount Moriah. Before Jacob has a chance to return, to pray at this site, God brings Mount Moriah to Jacob. That night Jacob has a dream of a ladder of angels where he meets God. In Genesis 28:13, we read “And behold God was standing over him.” When Jacob awakens next morning, he exclaims in Genesis 28:17, “And this is none other than the abode of God and this is the Gate of Heavens.” It is the gate through which prayers ascend to heaven and the Divine meets earth." This site has also been claimed to be the "navel of the world". At the summit of Mount Moriah, traditionally, is the "Foundation Stone," the symbolic fundament of the world's creation." Has Mount Moriah come to Jacob in the Pacific Ocean? Are prayers/wishes granted on the Island because it is the portal to Divine Power?

  • April 18, 2007, 11:06 p.m. CST

    Hmm.....

    by exie

    I think Herc's onto something. I think Ben forced Kate to sleep with Sawyer in order to manipulate Jack. Kate's reaction tonight seemed a little odd and I think that's part of a big upcoming reveal. I don't think Kate put an implant in Jack or anything, but I do think she was told to do Sawyer. Her crying was her realizing she's lost Jack because of what she did and wouldn't it be more tragic if she did it to save Jack? I also think Jack knows Juliet's up to some shit.

  • April 18, 2007, 11:08 p.m. CST

    rodvegas

    by lordgrimplemort

    I guess I was posting at the same time as you. So I'm not the only one to notice the fact that the vision had inconsistencies concerning Charlie. I wonder if that's a writer's screwup or if Desmond just can't remember everything from the visions.

  • April 18, 2007, 11:14 p.m. CST

    LGMORT

    by rodvegas78

    Honestly, I'm guessing that he only remembers the "important" things.. and really.. him saving Charlie is a "test" from whoever.. but I'm guessing that whatever devine intervention that's going on with him knows he's good and won't let Charlie die as long as he has these visions and can actually save him.. another thing.. .remember when Desmond asked for Jack's First Aid kit?? Obviously Naomi is gonna need it.. Boo Ya... great writing.. H8ers need to take a seat, man.. Lost is off da chain.. I actually missed the old lady picture on the Monk's desk.. some people got better eyes then me..

  • April 18, 2007, 11:17 p.m. CST

    Kate is NOT** a Cylon

    by da-giez

    no way...none are sleeper agents. they are just part of this weird mixed up story, that will get weirder before we understand more I bet.

  • April 18, 2007, 11:20 p.m. CST

    1 last thing..

    by rodvegas78

    So.. basically.. I'm guessing that everything is mapped out.. Naomi needs the First Aid kit, Charlie doesn't die.. etc.. Desmond worries about all this bad crap happening.. when in fact, I think he sees the bad stuff so he can change it because it MUST BE CHANGED by whoever is willing it.. My guess is that Charlie bites it at the end of the season.. but Desmond won't see it coming.. or he will and just can't stop it.. If Desmond can save Charlie, he will.. he's proven that tonight.. because he's too good of a guy.. Now Locke would probably kill Peggy Bundy if he got to dance with Smokey again..

  • April 18, 2007, 11:57 p.m. CST

    Kate in a thong = great episode

    by DynamixRo

    But are those the same panties that she wore way back in the pilot? :o

  • April 19, 2007, 1:22 a.m. CST

    I'm sick of the love triangle bullshit.

    by GQtaste

    How long are they going to go w/ this? Earlier in the season she was all about Sawyer and now she's going back to save him and da da da da bullshit.

  • April 19, 2007, 1:29 a.m. CST

    are helicoptors supposed to sound like that?

    by Napoleon Park

    Good episode. Not as great as some of the recent great episodes, but good. The secret origin of why Desmond calls everyone "brother" turns out to be that he used to be a monk? Okay, weird unexpected answer to a question nobody asked. *** My biggest scare was when Desmond saved Charlie from the arrow booby trap and I was afraid Charlie fell on the guitar strapped to his back and broke the neck. You know there's no way he would have forgiven Des for that. *** The fact that Penny would pick up an ex-monk at a monastery on the day he's kicked out is odd. So is her weird smile. She should play the Joker. *** Remember when in season one they wrote in a minor 815 survivor character specificaly in response to the fact that no one on the show wore glasses. Then, once Sawyer started needing reading glasses, they sort of wrote him out and forgot about him. In terms of overall series importance, that guy was less than Scott (Steve's friend, killed by Ethan) but slightly more than Joanna (the drowned swimmer). *** I know the island isn;t actually "a thousand miles off course" (the plane was, but an hour before it crashed). Still, how much fuel does a helicoptor carry to wind up somewhere in the middle of the Pacific? (But then we're talking about a show with a pirate ship in a tree, so why pick nits?)

  • April 19, 2007, 1:45 a.m. CST

    very tense

    by imageburn13

    good episode. I liked the lens flash when hurley said "flash"

  • April 19, 2007, 1:59 a.m. CST

    Nappy

    by ENAN

    Well proportioned post Nappy Park; Humor, wordplay, insight. This eprisode worked because it seemed as focused as the best. Everything gelled. Desmond's vastly contridictory nature is what is so wonderful when considering his abilities. He understands the predestiny vs. will debate better than anyone. Thats why future Locke, Desi, and Jack interplay is gonna be gold. Jack and Locke introduced the philosophically infused bout and Desmond is an unlikely tell-all testament. Read the Tempest fools. There in will you get the Desmond-like puzzle pieces to put together the future of the Lost series. Jack's dad, for serious, Prospero stylin'.

  • April 19, 2007, 2:03 a.m. CST

    Is Tom Kate's real dad?

    by DirkD13"

    Just that he always looks at her in a fatherly way. And always seems pleased to see her. Maybe I'm just tired, who knows?

  • April 19, 2007, 2:25 a.m. CST

    desmond's guides

    by d-bob8

    Using the picture easter egg/clue from tonights episode, would it make sense that the silver haired lady and Desmond's brotha bud are perhaps guides for his own self actuallization. they both seem to push Des to a greater destiny. maybe they are original desendents from the island that have transcended and are now appearing in the real world. Or perhaps tied in with Dharma somehow. I keep thinking the island is like a lost atlantis or something.

  • April 19, 2007, 3:34 a.m. CST

    hmmm

    by slkboxrman

    who is in charge of transcripting last weeks promo, they fucked up the line that sun says..its not "maybe hes not what you want" its "maybe hes working with them" or something along those lines...geez

  • April 19, 2007, 5:26 a.m. CST

    how did that pilot have a picture of desmond and penny

    by Mr_X

    des and penny took that picture from a guy on the street and immediately spilt up after that, so how did she have a copy?

  • April 19, 2007, 6:12 a.m. CST

    agreed, Desmond is my favorite, too

    by SantiagoAtez

    I really like his flashbacks, too.

  • April 19, 2007, 6:17 a.m. CST

    Jack is one of them

    by ElPaw

    Did you see his smarmy look on his face and his tone of voice when he said "I'm sure something will go wrong soon enough"

  • April 19, 2007, 6:19 a.m. CST

    I actually hope you're right, RumpleF

    by SantiagoAtez

    Because I'm starting to think that it's just going to be about an organization called Darhma, and their scientific studies on the island. And the Others. Because if it's just going to be revolving around these 2 groups, then the whole island mysteries really don't have any exciting payoff.

  • April 19, 2007, 7:10 a.m. CST

    I loved Sawyer's mix tape line

    by durhay

    Did Penny pronounce "Celtic" properly? Is it the same pronounciation as "Boston Celtics"?

  • April 19, 2007, 7:41 a.m. CST

    After Jin's ghost story in Korean...

    by maxwell's hammer

    ...Hurley says, "I like the part about the bird." Ha.

  • April 19, 2007, 7:47 a.m. CST

    Possible island location reveal in the Flash reference?

    by SpyGuy

    I don't know if anyone's mentioned this yet, but Hurley and Charlie's "Flash vs. Superman" debate (which I loved) brought up the use of the Flash's vibration powers. As hardcore comic geeks know, Barry Allen used a device called a Cosmic Treadmill to travel to Earth-2, a parallel Earth, by vibrating into the alternate reality. <p>So, this may be completely nothing or a total red herring, but what if the Lostaways' island exists on a parallel Earth, which is why no one on "our" Earth has seemingly gone looking for them? This theory could explain why Juliet's trip to the island was so bumpy and difficult as well.</p>

  • April 19, 2007, 8:04 a.m. CST

    No love for Bernard?

    by CaptainTripps

    I think the best part of last night's episode was the reveal that Bernard and Rose are still around! Nice to see the writers throw a bone to everybody asking where they've been and that they didn't get replaced on the plane by Nikki and TASG

  • April 19, 2007, 8:07 a.m. CST

    So now we know the whole reason behind season 2

    by Steve_Dooku

    And that was to lower the bar a little and dial the show back to a more reasonable pace and easier expectations. ;)<br><br> I really liked this episode, and I agree that Desmond is *the* character on the show. The pace is building towards what could be a great finale.

  • April 19, 2007, 8:15 a.m. CST

    (Glasgow) Celtic

    by ElPaw

    is pronounced Sell-tick.<p> What they didn't pronounce correctly was "jam" which is pronounced "jam" not "jelly".

  • April 19, 2007, 8:16 a.m. CST

    re:Spy guy

    by Steve_Dooku

    Could be...but the guy who wrote the episode is also a comic book writer, so it could just be a nod to himself too.

  • April 19, 2007, 8:18 a.m. CST

    who's Naomi...who's Ruth ???

    by serpico04

    You guys do me a favor and answer this... please!!!

  • April 19, 2007, 8:24 a.m. CST

    Naomi is

    by ElPaw

    the girl in the parachute. Biblically, Ruth is Naomi's mother. There is no Ruth on the show.

  • April 19, 2007, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Ruth

    by Steve_Dooku

    Was the woman Desmond was to marry, but left and joined the monks. (She was in the flashback)

  • April 19, 2007, 8:31 a.m. CST

    I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY KILLED HEATHER LIKE THAT

    by jimbojones123

    ON JERICO... Maybe it's a red herring. That kinda made me mad last night. Oh, that show is really bad too "authorized personel only" sign *yeesh*. I can't stop though. And to think, I REALLY hated Hawkins just 2 weeks ago....

  • April 19, 2007, 8:33 a.m. CST

    A thought, foreskin

    by rbrog77

    I tend to agree with your future earth theory, bt I think it's more. In this future earth I think they are able to see past infinite possibilities. Juliet's sister has cancer or doesn't. She does and recovers or does not. Therefore, nothing Ben says is a lie. Every possiblity is covered. So when we see juliet looking at today's paper and the camera pans up and sees her sister, that really happened on that day, just maybe not in the reality Juliet came from. That would also explain why she cannot go back. Because it's possible the reality she was picked from her sister did not make it. In other realities Juliet would still be there, and we all know you cannot exist in a reality where you are already present.

  • April 19, 2007, 8:36 a.m. CST

    OH, and Mr. Sulu was AWESOME last night too.

    by jimbojones123

    Don't know if I like "Thank God You're Here" or not yet. Mostly not. The only "great skits" have been Sulu last night and Wayne Knight from the first epi. Okay it mostly sucks, and the DAG/Foley filler for 50% of the hour is TERRIBLE. Sulu gets 2 thumbs up though.

  • April 19, 2007, 8:38 a.m. CST

    This show better not pull an "Evil Jack"....

    by Mr. Profit

    <p>Because then JJ would be ripping himself off again (After Locke's Daddy episode which was just like the big Alias season 1 "Mom?" reveal). Still a good ep, but you can't deny that the reveal was very similar.</P> <P>I love Lost again. They got their shit together.</P> <P>And I think instead of 22 or 24 episodes, this show would be better with a reduced episode, non stop season. Doing so would have eliminated the season 2 frustration of waiting for new episodes and having them be ridiculously over hyped by online news reporters only for them to be "just good".</P> <P>I think last night was another solid outing. I think the only weak link this season was Jack's tattoo episode. Other than that it's back to Season 1 good.</P> <P>But I'm telling you, while the "Evil Francie" reveal was great on Alias, and the big fight at the end of the season was the shit, I don't want to see it repeated on "Lost".</P> <p>But I do have a feeling that Jack will "Die" in the final battle with Locke at the end of the season, and the real Jack is still eating grilled cheese sandwhiches somewhere locked up in a basement.</P>

  • April 19, 2007, 8:41 a.m. CST

    YES!! Spyguy!!

    by rbrog77

    There you go. Parrallel universe or infinite realities. I think we've seen the real clue given last night. It's not what people previously thought about pre-destiny. It's about everything happens to everyone.

  • April 19, 2007, 8:45 a.m. CST

    And I used to think they were all on some Marty Mcfly..

    by Mr. Profit

    <p>Shit and they were either in the future or the past, but now the alternate reality stuff makes a lot more sense. Either way, the show has regained my interest, so I'm anxious to see where this season goes.</P> <P>I'm also still waiting for the "Game Changer".</P><P>Does anyone know when exactly that will happen?</P>

  • April 19, 2007, 8:49 a.m. CST

    SpyGuy: Flash

    by jimbojones123

    Flash was in the Comic that Walt was reading w/the polar bear in it from season 1. Even w/o the treadmill, if Flash accellerates to an ultra fast velocity, doesn't he enter "speed force" or "speed time" or something crazy like that. They had a shout out to it in JLU when he stopped Brainiac and disappeared. "Force time" maybe??? Don't remember what it's called. But it's just another red herring. Starting way back in season one, when Hurly and Sayed were listening to the radio, Sayed asked where the music was coming from and Hurly asked "or when?". Rumple, I don't like your theory. I'm not saying any theories are wrong anymore, just if I like them or not. Oh, and what happened to the LONELY COMIC BOOK KID THAT TURNED INTO THE SMOKE MONSTER theory?

  • April 19, 2007, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Bernard

    by arsonlarsen

    Now that they acknowledged that Bernard and Rose are still around, they better show them doing something. I had a feeling they'd be back this episode, because on the promo they would flash Bernard's "SOS" sign. But that was just to tease at a rescue, perhaps? I'm just glad they didn't go the "alternate timeline" route that I was expecting.

  • April 19, 2007, 8:54 a.m. CST

    This isn't Futurama

    by jimbojones123

    No Alternate Realities. Seems like a Pergatory-like chicken out. They wouldn't do that. Oh, and Smokie isn't Nanobots. That first of all has been OVERDONE, and isn't mainstream enough. And the vibrowalls would have done more than scared it away.

  • April 19, 2007, 8:58 a.m. CST

    YAY (some highlights)

    by Leopold Scotch

    Yes! Des is a Celtic fan.<br><br>"For it's a grand old team to play for. And it's a grand old team to see!"<br><br>I loved the bit where they were walking along the beach whistling.<br><br>The visual clue on the desk with the Fate lady and the monk.<br><br>Sawyer: "You two arguing over who's your favourite Other?".<br><br>Jin's ghost story.<br><br>The more convincing (though surprising) origin of Desmond's "brother", which nobody from Glasgow ever says (ever), so it's not localised dialect.<br><br>Another thing I wonder about is how Des got chucked out of the army and (unless I'm mistaken) put in jail.

  • April 19, 2007, 9:01 a.m. CST

    Sawyer: We have to play ping pong of the island will

    by warp11

    explode! Hillarious.

  • April 19, 2007, 9:03 a.m. CST

    I bet they are saving the four toed thing for next

    by warp11

    season. Anyone hear the crazy rumor that the island is atlantis? errr.

  • April 19, 2007, 9:19 a.m. CST

    jimbojones123: The Speed Force is a little different...

    by SpyGuy

    ...than vibrating to Earth-2 with the help of the Cosmic Treadmill. You're right that when the Flash accelerates to an uber-fast velocity, he breaks through some sort of dimensional plane and enters the Speed Force, which has been compared to a Heaven/Nirvana-like state of existence that you're not supposed to come back from. <p>But when Barry Allen used the Cosmic Treadmill, it helped him attune his body to a specific vibrational frequency that allowed him to travel in time or across parallel Earths. As soon as Barry (and Wally as Kid Flash) relaxed the internal vibrations, they returned home to their normal time or Earth. So yeah, I think the Lostaways' island may be on a different vibrational frequency than "our" Earth. And if so, then all the electromagnetism and wormhole/A BRIEF HISTORY OF TIME references probably tie in somehow.

  • April 19, 2007, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Loved. This. Episode.

    by PwnedByStallone

    Mostly because it explained why Des says 'brother" so damn much. Of course! He's a monk. A drunken monk! Love. It. Seriously though I loved that they showed how he and Penny met. If she does show up at the end it's only going to add to the emotion of the reunion. The two actors have great chemistry. I also loved seeing Kate in her panties. Man she is fraking hot. Mostly I just loved the fact that Desmond was pretty much going to let Charlie take that arrow to the throat for his own personal reasons but then just couldn't do it and it changed history just enough that it wasn't Penny. Even when they found that backpack it was still Penny and then Charlie living altered the future just enough that it ended up just being someone Penny sent for her most likely. Brilliantly done.

  • April 19, 2007, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Namoi is Rose's daughter? Whaa?

    by CorpseRide

    You mean, the Brazilian-looking, Portugese-reading woman is the daughter of the English-speaking African American woman? I think not.

  • April 19, 2007, 9:31 a.m. CST

    SpyGuy

    by jimbojones123

    Thanks, JLU perked my DC interest, and it's SOOOOO hard to catch up. I want to get into Infinate Crisis and 52, but I have lots more homework to do first. Aren't they doing "countdown" or something next as a reverse 52. Man, I'll be in my 50s before I know what's going on. Do they have the DVDROMS like Marvel has? Uh-oh, I'm wannabe nerding out.

  • April 19, 2007, 9:34 a.m. CST

    That woman was never Penny.

    by CorpseRide

    First off, there's no logical way that Charlie surviving would make that woman Penny. Themeatically it would make sense, but not logically. Perhaps you could argue against that via "course correction", but the second reason is more direct: the book in the backpack was in Portugese, like they speak in Brazil. Penny's Antarctic (?) guys from the Season 2 finale spoke in Brazilian Portugese too. And when they pulled the helmet off, the girl looked pretty Brazilian to me. So unless Penny speaks Portugese, that book shows that it was always a Brazilian chick in the parachute, not Penny.

  • April 19, 2007, 9:34 a.m. CST

    It's the Island from Contact.

    by PwnedByStallone

    How could I been so blind. David Morse will show up to lead the Losties into a new age of self-discovery! Somebody check his foot! Actually having David Morse on this show would kick ass. Jacob?

  • April 19, 2007, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Average episode, treading water.

    by Pound Sand

    Kate and Jack both seem to be undergoing a reboot in their character arc, while Sawyer seems unchanged and steady. Sayid and Locke missing in action, and that's not good.

  • April 19, 2007, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Good point CorpseRide.

    by PwnedByStallone

    I didn't think of that. But is is also in keeping with the catch-22 paradox that it was Penny at some point.

  • April 19, 2007, 9:45 a.m. CST

    CorpseRide, you're right

    by slone13

    And the picture of Des and Penny found inside the Portuguese copy of Catch 22 was most likely given to "Naomi" (aka Nessa from Las Vegas) by Penny so she would know what Desmond looked like once she got there.

  • April 19, 2007, 9:46 a.m. CST

    Naomi is played by

    by ElPaw

    a Jamaican English woman.

  • April 19, 2007, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Naomi is

    by ElPaw

    Marsha Thomason: http://tinyurl.com/yujlv6

  • April 19, 2007, 9:50 a.m. CST

    So if it was never Penny...

    by PwnedByStallone

    than what changed when Charlie lived? It seemed to me that Des, through his flashes, believed that it was Penny coming to find him and that Charlie needed to die in order for that to happen. When Des decided to save Charlie we're supposed to assume it changed history in some way. So what changed if the pilot was always the Brazilian chick?

  • April 19, 2007, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Maybe

    by Leopold Scotch

    Maybe nothing immediately apparent has changed and Des was mistaken to assume that by allowing Charlie to die, that it would be Penny. The long term effect would be tha Des, realising how wrong he was to consider letting Charlie die, woudld continue doing all he could to change every vision he has (which he has done so far) and Charlie's prolongued existence is bound to have relevance at some point.

  • April 19, 2007, 10:04 a.m. CST

    PwnedByStallone

    by slone13

    We don't know yet what may have been changed by Desmond's decision to save Charlie. We have no idea what was changed when Desmond decided to save Charlie the first three times, either. I couldn't help but think it was somewhat foolish on Desmond's part to assume it would be Penny arriving herself. I mean, he didn't see Penny in the flightsuit in his "flashback" he just saw SOMEONE and assumed it was her. Let's be honest, we have no reason to believe that Penny knew how to fly a helicopter in the first place. And besides, when you're the daughter of a multi-billionaire you don't need to operate your own research station or fly your own helicopters. You employ Portuguese people to do it for you.

  • April 19, 2007, 10:19 a.m. CST

    I'm sold.

    by PwnedByStallone

    Ok. You guys convinced me I'm wrong. It was never Penny. Thanks. And thanks for providing calm and reasoned rebuttles to my post and not flaming me like immature assholes.

  • April 19, 2007, 10:20 a.m. CST

    jimbojones123: If you want to get caught up on the DCU

    by SpyGuy

    ...DCComics.com and Wikipedia are probably your best friends for the basic info. If you want to check out the actual stories, trade paperback and hardcover collections are the way to go. <p>To get up to speed on the recent big events, I'd start with IDENTITY CRISIS, then the PRELUDE TO INFINITE CRISIS trade paperback, then the four INFINITE CRISIS lead-in mini-series THE OMAC PROJECT, VILLAINS UNITED, DAY OF JUDGMENT & THE RANN/THANAGAR WAR, and then the INFINITE CRISIS hardcover (the trade paperback's not out yet), and the four upcoming 52 trade paperback volumes (the first is out at the end of May).</p> <p>COUNTDOWN starts in a few weeks, which is supposed to "count down" (clever, hunh?) every week for the next year to the next mega-event, reportedly the last in the IDENTITY/INFINITE CRISIS revamping of the DCU.</p> <p>PHEW! Where's my frakking royalty check from Dan DiDio for all that?</p>

  • April 19, 2007, 10:21 a.m. CST

    That helicopter...

    by Tom Reagan

    ...wasn't it like miles of the coast when it went down? And wasn't the pilot in the tree miles inland--and dressed like a fighter pilot? How'd that happen? As for Charlie, I also think that the ramifications of Desmond saving him are going to come to light in the upcoming Charlie episode. I have a feeling he's going to do something disastorous and cause the lives of some of the 815ers. That also might tie in with the rumor of multiple deaths in the last several episodes.

  • April 19, 2007, 10:21 a.m. CST

    The writers "forgot" about the Michael/Walt storyline

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    riiiiiiiight

  • April 19, 2007, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Michael/Walt

    by Tom Reagan

    I heard an interview with the creators where they said they plan on bringing Michael and Walt back but they had to get them of the island for practical reasons: the survivors have only been on the island for months and they wouldn't be able to explain the growth of the actor who played Walt. They also said that when he returns, his unexplained aging will play into the story. Interesting.

  • April 19, 2007, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Penaoimi

    by Steve_Dooku

    I think it was just Desmond's desire for it to be Penny. They kind of alluded to that when he said that he had hoped she'd be looking for him. He knew he made a mistake leaving her too (Ruth the other one)and reflected on that for the past three years.

  • April 19, 2007, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Naomi?

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Where was her name revealed? I missed it.

  • April 19, 2007, 10:53 a.m. CST

    Tom Reagan

    by PwnedByStallone

    She was dressed like a fighter pilot in that she was wearing a flight suit, yes. If she was sent by the Widmore's then they can probably afford a paramilitary force or maybe if you're flying into the middle of Pacific Ocean that's what you wear instead of shorts and a hawaiian shirt. As for her being inland, she might have ejected and been blown inland or she parachuted in before a separate pilot crashed in the ocean. hard to say.

  • April 19, 2007, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Spoilers?

    by Mr. Profit

    Didn't they interview the actor who plays Charlie and they say he was doing some underwater scenes involving him and the cable that Sayid found in season 1? Also Eonline's Kristen reported that the actor who plays Michael is pulling a Lena Olin and wants more money to return to Lost. He was supposed to make his re-appearance in the season finale, but they are still working on a deal. He needs to stop acting like he has work lined up and get back on the island.

  • April 19, 2007, 10:55 a.m. CST

    Thunder

    by PwnedByStallone

    It wasn't in the episode. It's been on spoiler sites for a couple weeks.

  • April 19, 2007, 10:56 a.m. CST

    I forgot...

    by Mr. Profit

    With regards to my Charlie/Underwater Cable post above, could this be where he bites the big one and really does die? This sequence I think was for either his upcoming flashback eppy or the season finale. I'm unsure.

  • April 19, 2007, 11 a.m. CST

    the cable

    by dodgethis

    What was the point of the cable in this episode?

  • April 19, 2007, 11:04 a.m. CST

    PwnedByStallone

    by Tom Reagan

    I really wasn't implying that she was actually in a fighter jet only that she didn't seem dressed as a helicopter pilot. If she was in a helicopter she obviously didn't eject but I could possibly buy that she blew inland. I kinda hope they address that. I'm not sure who said it above but I like the snowglobe idea--a force field covering the island. That would explain entrance by submarine. It would also imply that Michael and Walt have never actually left the island(s) being as they were in a boat (used only to get between islands). This reminds me. One thing that has always bugged me on the show--if they haven't ever walked the perimeter of the island, how do they know they're on an island?

  • April 19, 2007, 11:05 a.m. CST

    I heart Bryan K. Vaughan

    by Evil Hobbit

    He should write more episodes :)

  • April 19, 2007, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Is Tom Kate's real dad? by DirkD13"

    by GOB Adama

    Dude, you just blew my mind... When the notion of him ogling Kate came up he responded "You're not my type" (or maybe he and Ben are a couple, that would be cute). Not that I am throwing in 100% behind it, as there is just not enough evidence for it. HOWEVER, if that proved to be the case, I would not feel it was tacked on AND I would tell my children tales of your insight.

  • April 19, 2007, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Is Tom Kate's real dad? by DirkD13"

    by GOB Adama

    AND there would be more foreshadowing, I would think, given that Locke could not get her "on the list" or whatever.

  • April 19, 2007, 11:09 a.m. CST

    are you sure those guy in Antartica were Brazilian?

    by SantiagoAtez

    I thought they were Portuguese. They had a Portuguese accent.

  • April 19, 2007, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Fighter Pilot

    by Steve_Dooku

    While I know that flight helmets and suits are standard on military flights, dark visors at night aren't.<br><br> I think they just used the helmet and visor to build suspense so we wouldn't know who it was. Desmond expected Penny, he got Naomi.

  • April 19, 2007, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Thanks

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Hey thanks pwned ... I was just gonna post "Thanks" in the subject line and that's it but i went to this weird page with ... a preview comment feature? formatting options listed? lines and paragraphs break automatically??? What, did I just travel to the future? Is tube technology finally real?

  • April 19, 2007, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Testing

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Paragraph break did not happen. Hmm

  • April 19, 2007, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Hey

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    If anyone's interested in going through the wormhole I just went through, just post with only the subject filled in. I'm here again, it's crazy, man, crazy! <p>Or am I just late to the party?

  • April 19, 2007, 11:19 a.m. CST

    One Giant Step for Mankind.

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    I feel like Neil Armstrong here, people.

  • April 19, 2007, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Umm...Kate's real Dad is dead.

    by PwnedByStallone

    She blew him up in that house.

  • April 19, 2007, 11:24 a.m. CST

    Celtic = Keltic

    by Blarney-Man

    Not Selltic.

  • April 19, 2007, 11:26 a.m. CST

    test

    by PwnedByStallone

    test break <br> test

  • April 19, 2007, 11:30 a.m. CST

    However, if it's the football team it's Selltic.

    by Blarney-Man

    But Keltic is the culture/heritage/lineage.

  • April 19, 2007, 11:31 a.m. CST

    people can travel great distances while

    by Novaman5000

    coming back to earth on a parachute. Especially if it's windy. It's not that crazy that she landed in the jungle.<p> Desmond (foolishly) thought it was penny because of his story - That penny would never stop looking for him - and he couldn't help but hope it was her. He was so afraid of changing anything in the vision for fear that it could affect the mystery woman (who he believed to be penny) in any way. It wasn't rational, but it made sense to Desmond.

  • April 19, 2007, 11:31 a.m. CST

    BTW. where the fuck are Rose and Bernard?

    by Blarney-Man

    I wish they'd come back in a big way.

  • April 19, 2007, 11:31 a.m. CST

    SantiagoAtez...

    by GOB Adama

    They speak Portugese in Brazil. Don't feel bad, a lot of people don't know that and assume Spanish is spoken.

  • April 19, 2007, 11:34 a.m. CST

    you'd think a guy named SantiagoAte...

    by PwnedByStallone

    would know that though.

  • April 19, 2007, 11:37 a.m. CST

    My thoughts...

    by Howard the Duck

    ONE: Penny knows all about Dharma Island from Desmond's professor friend who Des pretty much told everything to, due to his apparent "Quantum Leap"-ing. As soon as Desmond goes missing, Penny and the Prof get together and compare notes. Penny uses her/her father's sizeable fortune to search for the island. That's why there's two Portuguese listening for electromagnetic and/or EMP anomalies. I betcha that Penny shows up on the island on the last episode of this season. TWO: I now believe that the Island is out of sync with space-time. Not in the future, at least, not by years, but maybe by days. It would possibly explain all of the Flash references. Speaking of Flash, the Speed Force(located on the other side of light) calls to all Speedsters in the DCU to pretty much run so fast as to become a permanent part of it, and is the source of the DCU's Speedster's powers. Anyway, THREE: Ben knows the safest, most proven way to travel to and from the Island is by way of the coordinates he gave Michael and Walt. Which, I'd wager, are the same ones used by the sub. FOUR: Penny had copies made of the picture of her and Des by going back to the photographer and buying the negatives(or the whole camera) from him. Simple, really. And, I think that anyone who actually goes looking for Des and the Island(as per Penny's instuctions) is given a copy of the picture. FIVE: The lady in the picture on the abbot's desk(the pawn shop lady in the Desmond flashback episode) is also out of sync with the rest of normal space-time, but she has greater insight into the complexities of it. Don't know her connection to the abbott. SIX: Charlie's wrong about the Flash/Superman race. Flash would win. Hurley's right, and Charlie's wrong.

  • April 19, 2007, 11:39 a.m. CST

    SantiagoAtez

    by ElPaw

    said that they spoke it with a Portuguese accent, not a Brazilian accent, not that they don't speak Purtuguese in Brazil.

  • April 19, 2007, 11:40 a.m. CST

    2 Things...

    by GOB Adama

    1.) "Umm...Kate's real Dad is dead. by PwnedByStallone She blew him up in that house." Wasn't that her STEP-dad? Or am I wrong? 2.) People forget how close (globally speaking, of course) The southern tip of South America is to Antarctica (the SOUTH pole, as I am sure MOST of you know, but some still forget).

  • April 19, 2007, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Not that smallville is definitive or anything

    by Novaman5000

    But didn't flash beat Clark in that ep? Man, i wish we got her "shocking info" this ep and didn't have to wait a freakin week!

  • April 19, 2007, 11:42 a.m. CST

    GOB

    by ElPaw

    Kate's real dad was the guy she blew up. Kate's step dad was the military guy.

  • April 19, 2007, 11:43 a.m. CST

    portugues

    by maluquiro

    acho que eles eram portugueses nao brasileiros. mas, o paolo era brasileiro, ne?

  • April 19, 2007, 11:46 a.m. CST

    ElPaw

    by GOB Adama

    ABSOLUTELY correct! I reread the post and I messed up royally and semi-publically. MANY apologies to Atez. I am appropriately humbled.

  • April 19, 2007, 11:47 a.m. CST

    there's a difference

    by maluquiro

    between the brazilian portuguese and the continental portuguese. different accents, and they use different words. they speak portuguese in africa too, in cabo verde and mocambique.

  • April 19, 2007, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Ok so, Desmond "blacked out" while he was drinking, and

    by Novaman5000

    when he woke up, the priest was standing over him.<p> Does anyone else think this means that we're due for another time traveling episode for desmond? Maybe he blacked out because he pops back into those moments from the future, like last time.

  • April 19, 2007, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Oh! And regarding Kate...

    by GOB Adama

    RIGHT! Right, right, right right, right. I still like the notion of Tom as her Dad, but it just don't add up. I used to be so good at this stuff. Old age is not being kind to my mind.

  • April 19, 2007, 11:49 a.m. CST

    maluquiro

    by ElPaw

    sim, Paolo era brasiliero

  • April 19, 2007, 11:51 a.m. CST

    pena

    by maluquiro

    que nunca falou portugues...

  • April 19, 2007, 11:53 a.m. CST

    the Brazillian thing

    by Steve_Dooku

    ..and did we see last night that Kate had a brazillian wax job?

  • April 19, 2007, 11:54 a.m. CST

    WHO DIES

    by bythehairofsanjaya

    Just look at which of the actors are making a lot of movies. My guess it will be Syed that dies. He's been in a couple of high pro-file movies recently.

  • April 19, 2007, 11:56 a.m. CST

    Does Charlie's death yesterday

    by ElPaw

    count as one of the 5 deaths we will see?

  • April 19, 2007, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Is this portuguese?

    by PwnedByStallone

    baja la palanca mientras descarge por favor.

  • April 19, 2007, 11:57 a.m. CST

    The accents...

    by CorpseRide

    I *think* what I heard was that they hired two "Portugese speakers" for the 'Antarctic' (or wherever) scene for the Season 2 finale.<br> After they filmed it, they found out that the guys they hired had been speaking in Brazilian Portugese accents, which was not really what they had intended, but it was unimportant enough to roll with it, or work it into the plot somehow.<br> I may have got that the wrong way round though. Ah well.

  • April 19, 2007, 12:05 p.m. CST

    ElPaw

    by PwnedByStallone

    No. Aussielo said it would be 5 deaths during the month of MAY only.

  • April 19, 2007, 12:07 p.m. CST

    What the hell does that hula doll mean?

    by PwnedByStallone

    Anyone?

  • April 19, 2007, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Tom Reagan

    by tbransonlives

    Good theory about Charlie casuing deaths. I bet Desmond is one of them and it will be right before Penny comes to the island.

  • April 19, 2007, 12:15 p.m. CST

    nao

    by maluquiro

    e espanhol, mas vc ja sabia, ne?

  • April 19, 2007, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Jin's Ghost Story...

    by AdrianVeidt

    Is probably the funniest thing that has happened on Lost since season one when Jack got Sawyer to confess all of his STDs (sorry, STIs) and then just told him he needs glasses.

  • April 19, 2007, 12:24 p.m. CST

    The fater of Sun's baby is.......

    by Chest_Rockwell

    Larry Birkhead.

  • April 19, 2007, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Wrong about Kate's dad.....

    by Mr. Profit

    Her parents divorced and her mom married Wayne, the man she killed. Her step father. Kate's dad hasn't been shown yet. But didn't they say he was a soldier or something?

  • April 19, 2007, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Wait? Can someone clear it up please?

    by Mr. Profit

    Who the fuck did Kate kill cause now I don't remember.

  • April 19, 2007, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Kate's dad was

    by rbrog77

    the military officer she went to at the recruiting office. The episode was the one where she blew her stepfather up.

  • April 19, 2007, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Kate killed her stepdad

    by rbrog77

    She took his drunk ass in the house, he asked what's that I smell, she left, got on a motorcycle and as she drove off the house exploded. She also visited her real dad in that episode. He was a military recruiter. if you remember, Sayid was in the background on the TV screen when she went to visit her dad.

  • April 19, 2007, 12:35 p.m. CST

    And you guys are right about....

    by Mr. Profit

    The final destination shit that will go down because of Charlie. I can totally see it coming. He'll probably die sacrificing himself doing something heroic. After all didn't one of thos gossipy tabloid mags say he wasnt returning next year?

  • April 19, 2007, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Testing

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    <em>Testing testing</em>

  • April 19, 2007, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Kate killed her mother's boyfriend...

    by UltraMeerkat

    ..because he kept beating up Kate's mother. Kate did this by severing a gas line and blowing up him up, making it look like an accident with the intention of claiming on the insurance and giving the money to her mother. However, the mother was less than pleased and called the cops, and Kate fled.

  • April 19, 2007, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Thanks "rbrog77"

    by Mr. Profit

    I remember the episode now a little bit more. I mainly remember that the episode was kind of a let down. I was hyped into thinking she did something worse. And it was all just an elaborate insurance scam killing a cliched abusive step father, and leaving Kate with an ungrateful mother who reported her ass to the cops because she was dickmatized.

  • April 19, 2007, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Kate

    by PwnedByStallone

    Kate's mom was married to the military guy after she split from Kate's real father Wayne. But then her mom got back together with Wayne later on again. Kate grew up thinking that the military guy was her real father but then learned later on it wasn't. So she learned that the guy with her mother who was making sexual advances towards herself and beating her mother was actually her real father. So she blew up the house with him in it to kill him and so her mom could collect the insurance on it. Only her mother was pissed and turned her in. We actually did meet her stepfather the miltary guy twice. Once when she visited him at the recruitment place and we also saw him in Iraq in one of Sayid's flashbacks.

  • April 19, 2007, 12:42 p.m. CST

    Lost, like 24, is completely dead in the water...

    by Pdorwick

    ...instead, watch Heroes, watch Friday Night Lights, watch any of the Law & Orders, watch ER for god's sake, watch Ugly Betty... and that's just network TV. We could start listing all the Dexters and Huff's but I'm already starting to bore myself.

  • April 19, 2007, 12:45 p.m. CST

    The Sub Isn't a Way Off the Island?

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    I don't think it is. Juliette seemed not to have come by submarine. They didn't show it, the bumpy ride requiring sedation makes little sense for an underwater journey. Plus where was she when she drank the OJ? Florida? That's a hell of a submarine ride to get to the island, unless it's actually in the Caribbbean. Plus that submarine is old-looking. <p>And didn't Ben allude to the submarine just giving people on the island the comfort of THINKING they could leave any time?

  • April 19, 2007, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Kate's dads

    by wolfboy74

    Military dude was her REAL dad; blown-up hick her STEP dad... P.S. How do you do LINE BREAKS??

  • April 19, 2007, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Pdorwick....

    by CorpseRide

    It would be quicker just to say, "Hello, I'm a girl." Saves wear on the keyboard, too.

  • April 19, 2007, 12:48 p.m. CST

    Pwned

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    I notice you were testing. Isn't it magical? <p>Seriously though, I tried the "emphasis" code but it didn't work. Well, it didn't display, but the code itself didn't display either. <p>I don't know why this is so interesting to me.

  • April 19, 2007, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Clearing up Kate's dad

    by Leopold Scotch

    OK, when we were first introduced to Kate's 2 dads we were led to believe that the soldier was his real dad and that she'd killed her stepdad (the abusive alcoholic): this is also what Kate believed until after she killed the guy. In the same episode, her flashback showed her soldier dad revealing to Kate that the dick she killed was her real dad, and that the soldier (having been seperarted from her mum) was not her dad in any way. To summarise, the guy she killed was indeed her real dad.

  • April 19, 2007, 12:49 p.m. CST

    KATE KILLED HER REAL DAD!!!

    by PwnedByStallone

    Her STEPFATHER is the miltary guy! Jesus. Go to Lostpedia for Christ's sake.

  • April 19, 2007, 12:51 p.m. CST

    I like Heroes but....

    by Mr. Profit

    Let's not kid ourselves. The production values on "Lost" alone blow "Heroes" out of the water. "Heroes" is entertaining, and the plot seems to be coming together nicely, but check back with that show in season 3 to see if there will be a backlash. No matter what we all say about "Lost". You can never say the acting sucks. "Heroes" on the other hand has a lot of wooden performances. And the score for "Lost" is also great.

  • April 19, 2007, 12:53 p.m. CST

    wolfboy

    by PwnedByStallone

    <br>

  • April 19, 2007, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Line Breaks....

    by Mr. Profit

    <P>Do the following without spaces</P> < p >Write text here< /P > <P>That's how I do it, if there is an easier way please let me know!</P>

  • April 19, 2007, 12:54 p.m. CST

    It's amazing that only

    by Leopold Scotch

    about 2 people here actually knew who Kate's real dad was.

  • April 19, 2007, 12:55 p.m. CST

    crap

    by PwnedByStallone

    type "<br>" and then "enter"

  • April 19, 2007, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Jack=Jacob

    by wolfboy74

    Loving this theory, BTW--and it kinda fits: was jack ever really, REALLY in danger? Maybe by appearances, but looking back, anything he couldn't control? Is he walking among the various groups, testing, judging? Just a thought.

  • April 19, 2007, 12:57 p.m. CST

    ElPaw

    by jimbojones123

    Didn't Charlie die 5 times in just that episode? It's like Chloe and Lana deaths on Smallville... they happen all the time...

  • April 19, 2007, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Ummmm.... Nachos?

    by jimbojones123

    Spagetti???

  • April 19, 2007, 12:59 p.m. CST

    thanks guys!

    by wolfboy74

    --for the schoolin' and schoolin'!

  • April 19, 2007, 1 p.m. CST

    oh fuck it.

    by PwnedByStallone

    i tried wolfboy

  • April 19, 2007, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Making a kid believe Santa is real is like mind-rape

    by performingmonkey

    Seriously, you are damaging your kid if you let them believe in Santa Claus over the age of say five.

  • April 19, 2007, 1:13 p.m. CST

    DO ANY OF YOU WATCH THE SHOW???

    by jimbojones123

    I'm with Leopold Scotch -- Kate killed her own dad. That was the big "twist" of the episode. Pay attention *smack*.

  • April 19, 2007, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Line breaks

    by Steve_Dooku

    < br > < br > (no spaces) will give a return and blank line between paragraphs.

  • April 19, 2007, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Santa --

    by jimbojones123

    I kinda feel weird about Tooth Fairy. We had the first one this week and there were many more questions than I ever had. Oh, and the 5 yr old would have no part in falling for Easter Bunny.

  • April 19, 2007, 1:17 p.m. CST

    I'd make my kid believe Osama bin Laden...

    by PwnedByStallone

    lived in their bedroom closet if it made them shut the fuck up and behave. I love kids. I can't wait to fuck one up with my excellent parenting skills.

  • April 19, 2007, 1:19 p.m. CST

    I'm a br br man myself

    by Leopold Scotch

    Don't know why. I suppose I'm just twisted

  • April 19, 2007, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Scottish accents were terrible...

    by gobofraggleuk

    Would it really have been beyond their budget to find some Scottish actors in Hollywood? Those accents (the head monk guy, Desmond's jilted ex-fiancee) were terrible - all sounded clearly American and about as accurate is Dick Van Dyke doing Cockney in Mary Poppins...

  • April 19, 2007, 1:28 p.m. CST

    <P> is better for the environment than <BR><BR>

    by ElPaw

    saving 5 bytes per instance, allowing web pages to be stored in a smaller size and transmitted quicker, saving carbon dioxide emissions by 0.00000001% per annum, and all in all making Al Gore and the hippies happy.

  • April 19, 2007, 1:29 p.m. CST

    That should have been

    by ElPaw

    < p > is better for the environment than < br >< br >

  • April 19, 2007, 1:31 p.m. CST

    CorpseRide...

    by Pdorwick

    A sense of humour is a terrible thing to waste...

  • April 19, 2007, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Speaking from experience?

    by CorpseRide

    :-D

  • April 19, 2007, 1:37 p.m. CST

    sat phone

    by d-bob8

    Didn't that sat phone look a lot like the new apple iphone? Or at least a bigger, bulkier version. Could it be a nudge nudge wink wink to Steve Jobs by the props dept, since he is now mixing it with the Disney folks (who own ABC) Either Hurley or Charlie seemed to pick up on it right away being a sat phone versus a radio.

  • April 19, 2007, 1:41 p.m. CST

    If you think you like 'Lost' you are wrong...

    by GOB Adama

    ...and should instead like what Pdorwick likes.

  • April 19, 2007, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Every show has jumped the shark

    by CorpseRide

    except the Tyra Banks show. Do not debate me on this.

  • April 19, 2007, 1:47 p.m. CST

    GOB Adama...

    by Pdorwick

    ...oh, I forgot to mention "Battlestar Galactica" as well, thanks GOB.

  • April 19, 2007, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Desmond Waking Up

    by _Maltheus_

    <p>I had assumed right when he said we woke up somewhere, without knowing how he got there, that he must have had a time travel moment. Is it true, as someone had mentioned, that there was a picture of that monk with the jewelery store lady? It would make sense I guess. But then why would he be so surprised that Desmond made it through the month of silence?</p> <p>Once Desmond saw the helicopter, he shouldn't have needed Charlie at all at that point. What difference could his death had made once "she" is on the island?</p> <p>Saving the Penny appearance for the last scene of the season would be horrible. Lost producers, do you remember how pissed everyone was that you spent most of the first season trying to get into a hatch, only to show it blown open and nothing more at the end? That was because it's not a reveal that it gets blown open, everyone knows that was gonna happen. I still believe strongly that they should have shown Desmond getting his gun and setting up the mirror system before finishing that season up, as that would have introduced a new element for us to salivate over all summer, and then people wouldn't have complained about that finale. They'd be too busy speculating about this new Desmond guy. The same is true here of Penny. Just showing her and ending WILL have a lot of pissed people here complaining about how stupid the show is and you don't need to be pissing off anyone else. We already know she's gonna show up, you better be prepared to give us something else in that moment.</p>

  • April 19, 2007, 1:55 p.m. CST

    I'll admit it freely...

    by GOB Adama

    Kate is like that pretty gal I would spend hours talking to in a bar only to have someone ask me what her name is and the best I can recall is "I think she said she was a 34C." <p> </p> Seriously, I love 'Lost'. I made a really out-of-character choice to rid myself of passive entertainment and 'get out more'. I can afford cable and chose to cut it off (this is not an 'I hate TV' thing, btw). Yet, I still crack out the old rabbit ears for 'Lost' (and 'Lost' only). ANYHOO, I love 'Lost', but the Kate episodes go in one ear and out the other (with the occasional detour for masturbation, depending).

  • April 19, 2007, 1:59 p.m. CST

    d-bob8

    by Tom Reagan

    Or perhaps it's a sat phone from the future (as I'm pretty sure we don't have sat phones currently that take on the aesthetics of the new iPhone). That could be a small hint that time is moving differently in the outside world.

  • April 19, 2007, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Pdorwick

    by GOB Adama

    Then I retract 33% of my attitude because 'Battlestar' IS pretty frakking cool... You still get the other 67%, however.

  • April 19, 2007, 2:04 p.m. CST

    The actress who plays Penny

    by Jor-El23

    Sonya Walger is on a new HBO show called "Tell Me You Love Me" Not sure when it debuts but it's some time in 2007. I wonder if that will effect her availability to be on Lost.

  • April 19, 2007, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Seriously, you people who don't know who kate killed

    by Novaman5000

    better not be the ones bitching about no answers, because it's very clear you're not paying attention.<p> Kate killed her real father. The military guy was just the man she grew up with. She thought he was her real father until some time before she killed him.<p> Yes, that's right- KATE KNEW WAYNE WAS HER BIOLOGICAL FATHER WHEN SHE BLEW HIM UP. She says as much when speaking to Major dad. She says that she hated that he was a part of her, or something to that effect, and she knew damn well that he was her real father. Major dad says that he didn't tell her the truth because he was hoping she'd do something like kill Wayne, as well (I believe). For the love of christ guys, it's really not THAT hard to pay attention is it?

  • April 19, 2007, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Seriously, you people who don't know who kate killed

    by Novaman5000

    better not be the ones bitching about no answers, because it's very clear you're not paying attention.<p> Kate killed her real father. The military guy was just the man she grew up with. She thought he was her real father until some time before she killed him.<p> Yes, that's right- KATE KNEW WAYNE WAS HER BIOLOGICAL FATHER WHEN SHE BLEW HIM UP. She says as much when speaking to Major dad. She says that she hated that he was a part of her, or something to that effect, and she knew damn well that he was her real father. Major dad says that he didn't tell her the truth because he was hoping she'd do something like kill Wayne, as well (I believe). For the love of christ guys, it's really not THAT hard to pay attention is it?

  • April 19, 2007, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Sat Phone

    by arcade fireman

    I work in the wireless industry and I've never seen a "touchscreen" phone like the one Naomi carried. No way was that available in 2004. But I suppose it's a minor detail that has no bearing but who knows with this show? It could be the key to the whole damn story!

  • April 19, 2007, 2:08 p.m. CST

    WHAT IF: Naomi's shocking information was that

    by Novaman5000

    Flight 815 disappeared YEARS ago?<p> I'm just tossin out ideas here. I wonder if the "gamechanger" will have to do with naomi's info?

  • April 19, 2007, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Maltheus,

    by Novaman5000

    The monk situation happened WAY before the old woman in the ring store happened. The monk, even if he knew the woman well, probably had no idea she knew desmond, mostly because the two hadn't met yet.

  • April 19, 2007, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Sat phone

    by ElPaw

    Maybe it was a prototype model manufactured by the Widmore Corporation. It doesn't matter that it's not a currently available retail version. Maybe they weren't put into full scale production because of their tendency to break in mysterious island locations.

  • April 19, 2007, 2:23 p.m. CST

    I'm just forgetful...

    by GOB Adama

    As I mentioned, especially where Kate is concerned. When reminded it all came flooding back (only to be forgotten again later, no doubt).

  • April 19, 2007, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Sawyer killed? PREDICTION!!

    by AdrianVeidt

    MAYBE, Ramirez, maybe... but I think it will be at the hands of Locke. Locke kills Sawyer or vice-versa. This season. Calling it now. One will die at the hands of the other.

  • April 19, 2007, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Answers

    by PwnedByStallone

    Maltheus: She could have died landing instead of surviving unless charlie went. and for Desmond knew he still needed Charlie for that. And I diagree about the Penny coming at the end would be bad. That hasn't been a storyline built up over 3/4 of the season like the hatch. It's just been a minor subplot to the overall Other storyline. Penny comign would just be a minor cliffhanger in my opinion. <br> Tom Reagan: The Widmore's are RICH. they could have developed their own sat phone technology. Besides the iphone is hardly groundbreaking technology or aesthetics. That touch screen shit's been around forever.

  • April 19, 2007, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Ashok0

    by PwnedByStallone

    Throw House in there and I'm with you. Do you guys even watch that show because there is no denyign that it fucking OWNS Tuesday nights. My favorite after Lost and 24.

  • April 19, 2007, 2:43 p.m. CST

    re: Novaman5000

    by _Maltheus_

    Someone said earlier that they saw a picture, in this episode, of the monk with the old lady. I wasn't too surprised by that, since I had the sense they were connected anyway. The monk was standing over Desmond after one of his blackouts and I presume that blackout was time travel related. The monk also seems to have a clue about Desmond's destiny and maybe even set him up with Penny (by firing him at just the right moment). I think that regardless of how long between his appearance in Desmond's life and the old lady's, that they both work together as some sort of guides for Desmond. And if they are some sort of time travelers as well, then it doesn't matter how much apparent time passed between the two events. In fact, I wouldn't be too surprised if they are the same person/entity.

  • April 19, 2007, 2:59 p.m. CST

    speaking of next week

    by Steve_Dooku

    How the heck will Juliet be able to tell who the father of Sun's baby is? They make it seem like a pretty instant thing. And if Juliet is the one responsible for it, how did she make THAT happen and when?

  • April 19, 2007, 3:07 p.m. CST

    BilboFatwa - SPOILER

    by PwnedByStallone

    <br> I believe it was Kate's stepfather wit hher picture i nthat episode. clancy was in another sayid flashback. And, you've been warned, it's Patchy choking Jin. <br>

  • April 19, 2007, 3:08 p.m. CST

    Sun's baby's daddy

    by wolfboy74

    I speculate Juliette and The Others actually have someting to do w/Sun's pregnancy. <br> Just a hunch (as stated above)

  • April 19, 2007, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Just trying the--

    by wolfboy74

    break <br> <br> thing

  • April 19, 2007, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Thanks Al Paw and Steve Dooku!

    by wolfboy74

    For teaching me the line breaks!

  • April 19, 2007, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Maybe Sun's baby has no father...

    by exie

    If Sun got injected with the stuff that Juliet put into her sister, doesn't the shot itself make her pregnant? Or is that the shot makes someone who can't have babies get pregnant, meaning Jin is the father and the shot just makes her conceive? What it does answer, I think, is that Sun's baby isn't the bald Asian dude's. But who knows...And 5 deaths in May? This show can't stand to lose 5 people in May. Seriously. All I know is Ben better not die. He's the best thing on the show.

  • April 19, 2007, 3:25 p.m. CST

    re: PwnedByStallone

    by _Maltheus_

    They may have not built it up for all season explicitly, but that's because they don't typically cover non-island events, unless they are in flashback. Penny showing up was set in motion with the season 2 finale. To repeat that moment (well, now she's here) in the season 3 finale would almost seem like a parody of the show at this point. You may be cool with it, but I guarantee it'll piss most of the viewers off to have her finally show up, after expecting her all season, only to cut to commercial for the rest of the summer. It's not a big moment in and of itself and it shouldn't be treated as such. Just like opening the hatch wasn't a big moment, finding out what was in the hatch was the big moment. And to the lovers, when we found out what was in the hatch, it didn't ruin the show, did it? It took it to a new level. The same will be true of most of the other reveals the haters have been asking for. There's always more to chew on. Ending on a non-event, will only repeat the conditions prior to the mid-season break where people have a lot of time to bitch about what we didn't get. It would be a monumental mistake!

  • April 19, 2007, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Sun's pregnancy

    by Laslo Hollyfeld

    Sun may very well have been impregnated by the others; however, in the episode where it's revealed that she's pregnant, she finds out via a pregnancy test that she took with her. Kate asks what type of person takes a pregnancy test with her on a place, and Sun is awkwardly silent. Clearly, this implies that Sun suspected that she was pregnant before taking the flight. Now, she could have been wrong, and it could have been the others, but it seems more likely that she was already pregnant.

  • April 19, 2007, 3:36 p.m. CST

    If Juliette has 'Immaculate Conception' shots...

    by GOB Adama

    ...Calling her a genius fertility doctor does not even BEGIN to cover it.

  • April 19, 2007, 3:37 p.m. CST

    Maltheus.

    by PwnedByStallone

    I here you, but if anyone has been expecting Penny to show up all season they don't have a clue how this show works. And judging by the ratings drop the novices have bailed. This entire season has taken place over what, two weeks maybe? To me that's about the time it would probably take for Penny to assemble a team and find the Island with the resources she has. This has been pretty much signified by Naomi arriving. So I think anyone who watches this show and knows how it works shouldn't be shocked or disappointed if the season cliffhanger is her arriving. That would set up next season nicely and give a nice little cliffhanger for people to look forward to.

  • April 19, 2007, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Laslo

    by PwnedByStallone

    Sun got the test from Sawyer. she didn't have it on the plane. She was probably awkwardly silent because Kate was pissed at Sawyer at the time. Incidentally that was a WIDMORE pregnancy test.

  • April 19, 2007, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Oh, okay PwnedByStallone

    by Laslo Hollyfeld

    I vaguely recall that. Maybe it was the Others.

  • April 19, 2007, 3:52 p.m. CST

    Finale

    by CorpseRide

    I bet Penny does turn up right near the end of the season finale. Maybe even the final shot. But then again, I'll bet a whole lot of things happen in those 90 mins (thanks BitTorrent), so anyone who bitches about how it's all about Penny showing up will have to ignore a whole lot of other developments to maintain that line. Amoungst other things it looks like they're gonna reorganise the basic Others vs Losties setup of the show. With a bang.

  • April 19, 2007, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Clancy Brown and Kate's father were BOTH in the truck

    by Novaman5000

    It was the same Sayid flashback ep.<p> As for penny coming. It's not anti-climactic, it's just expected, so it lacks that certain "Oh SHIT!" moment that Lost episodes so often end with (x10 for the season finales).<p> Still, supposedly the twist revolves around jack, so I wouldn't go assuming it's gonna be penny just yet. It's too obvious to be as secret as these guys are treating it. They say it's bigger than any of the other twists... We'll see.<p> Also, a side note: GOB Adama, I've made this same mistake myself- The immaculate conception I believe refers to the fact that Mary was born without sin, not that Jesus was to a virgin woman.<p> The lost writers made the same mistake, or at the very least, Locke's crazy mother did.

  • April 19, 2007, 3:58 p.m. CST

    re: Penny's Arrival

    by _Maltheus_

    <p>BilboFatwa, I wasn't saying her arrival was unimportant, I'm just saying that we know it's coming, so I don't want that to be the final scene. It can wait till the final episode, I'm just saying it would be very cheesy if it's the final scene cause it's redundant. I want the final scene to be unexpected. Not something that's be telegraphed since the last season finale.</p> <p>PwnedByStallone, I agree that it would take her time to mount an expedition. I find myself explaining that all the time to people who are asking "what ever happened to that story line." It should take some time. I just want them to spend a little time with her character before they play that episode close sound. Add something to the plot and not just show the scene that we're all expecting, "oh who's that walking down the beach, it's Penny," roll credits.</p>

  • April 19, 2007, 3:58 p.m. CST

    This fucking website is weird today....

    by Mr. Profit

    <P>I logged in and then I was take to a page that said this.</P> <p>Mr. Profit</P> <p>Member for:</P> <p>37 years 16 weeks</P> <P>But I'm only 26....</P>

  • April 19, 2007, 3:59 p.m. CST

    *was BORN

    by Novaman5000

    Whoops!<p> Anyway, Penny may show up, but I doubt that will be the finale's biggest surprise.

  • April 19, 2007, 4:01 p.m. CST

    And Penny's Arrival is better than the Asian Tsunami...

    by Mr. Profit

    People kept saying at one point that the Asian Tsunami would hit Lost Island since their timeline is the same timeline that the Tsunami hit. Whatever, I'd take Penny arriving over that mess any day. And the ratings may be "Down" but didn't they just find out that 4 million people watch Lost recorded on their DVR after it airs? So did the show really lose that many viewers when you add the DVR ratings?

  • April 19, 2007, 4:06 p.m. CST

    ITS PURGATORY!!!

    by wolvenom

    im telling you!! PURGATORY!!

  • April 19, 2007, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Of course they lost a lot of viewers

    by _Maltheus_

    <p>Season 3 quality aside (which I know has driven people away in itself), moving the show to a later slot will guarantee a smaller audience. I'm sure most people still don't have a DVR and I know a number of die-hard fans who have been missing episodes left an right cause they're falling asleep. And I'm in mountain time, where it comes on at 9, I can only imagine what it's like for the coasters who have to catch it at 10.</p> <p>CorpseRide, you mentioned bittorrent, is the finale out on the net already? And all the ones leading up to it? I find that hard to believe and I kind of hope it isn't true. I'm not sure I can resist the temptation.</p>

  • April 19, 2007, 4:26 p.m. CST

    Personally I think this season is on par with

    by Novaman5000

    the rest of the series. It's had its ups and downs, sure, but it's still fucking engaging as hell and so well-done. Quality hasn't driven people away IMO... Impatience has, that or plain ol' "just not getting it".

  • April 19, 2007, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Tidal Wave?

    by AdrianVeidt

    In all honesty, I can see a tidal wave hitting the island... but I have no idea how that would tie into their plot.

  • April 19, 2007, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Jurassic Park 3 - Redone?

    by jimbojones123

    Okay, now that they have the sat phone -- if the girlfriend brings in the army to storm the beach and save them from the monster I'm out. Somebody better wrap up that chute for when they have to get away from the Pteradactals (yeah, I don't care how it's spelled, this will be the first/last time I ever type it...unless they do show up on the island. If they do, I called it). Fertility Dr. doing gentetic experiments on the island, do they have a Velociraptor compound where they have learned their own language?

  • April 19, 2007, 4:45 p.m. CST

    PwnedByStallone I think you are right about penny!

    by Talkbacker with no name

    because it all depends when they see the pic in the book of penny and desmond. Was it before or after Charlie got saved? If it's after then you are on to something. <p>Go with your first instinct, bruv. I'm with ya all the way!

  • April 19, 2007, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Some points (Penny and Desmond)

    by Leopold Scotch

    I think Maltheus's concerns are justified. There have been cliffhangers before which have been to the same effect: Sun pointing out to the boat during Libby and Ana Lucia's funeral, for example (even though this wasn't end of season), and if it happened at the last minute of the season, it would be crap (for some reason, people talking about Penny's arrival makes me think about the image of Des's boat half a mile offshore, and the effects of that, or something similar, would be a shit thing to go out on). If it happened half-way through the last episode, then I'm sure nobody would complain.<br><br>Regarding why Des insisted on bringing Charlie, it seems pretty clear to me that Des is totally anxious about the effects of changing any little bit of the vision (sort of butterfly effect stuff), and even if Charlie surviving the trap wouldn't be an obvious factor in changing the helicopter/parachute outcome, he just had to make sure that everything was exactly as he had seen it. In the end, he decided to risk such a butterfly effect, and it was a justified gamble.<br><br>Incidentally, this is the first time Charlie's death wouldn't have been anything to do with Claire, so I suppose those theories were wrong.<br><br>Finally, when I first heard the Scottish accents, I cringed a little, but I think they were actually geniuine, localised accents. Ruth is clearly a more rural accent (from the north, or from the borders) while the monk just did what most Scottish actors have to do, and that's make his accent universally understandable among English speakers (by dropping some more locally specific properties of the dialect). For another example, see Billy Boyd as Pippin, and Robbie Coltrane's Hagrid, who - despite clrealy having a broad Scottish accent in the HP books (as doesn Coltrane himself, obviously) - he adopts a northern English accent). Refreshingly, Des doesn't do this so much, so he's less concerned about whether or not everyone understands him ("Ye don't wannae know what happened to me... Ye don't wannae know... Awright, there pal?" etc).

  • April 19, 2007, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Some thoughts (sorry if this double-posts)

    by Leopold Scotch

    I think Maltheus's concerns are justified. There have been cliffhangers before which have been to the same effect: Sun pointing out to the boat during Libby and Ana Lucia's funeral, for example (even though this wasn't end of season), and if it happened at the last minute of the season, it would be crap (for some reason, people talking about Penny's arrival makes me think about the image of Des's boat half a mile offshore, and the effects of that, or something similar, would be a shit thing to go out on). If it happened half-way through the last episode, then I'm sure nobody would complain.<br><br>Regarding why Des insisted on bringing Charlie, it seems pretty clear to me that Des is totally anxious about the effects of changing any little bit of the vision (sort of butterfly effect stuff), and even if Charlie surviving the trap wouldn't be an obvious factor in changing the helicopter/parachute outcome, he just had to make sure that everything was exactly as he had seen it. In the end, he decided to risk such a butterfly effect, and it was a justified gamble.<br><br>Incidentally, this is the first time Charlie's death wouldn't have been anything to do with Claire, so I suppose those theories were wrong.<br><br>Finally, when I first heard the Scottish accents, I cringed a little, but I think they were actually geniuine, localised accents. Ruth is clearly a more rural accent (from the north, or from the borders) while the monk just did what most Scottish actors have to do, and that's make his accent universally understandable among English speakers (by dropping some more locally specific properties of the dialect). For another example, see Billy Boyd as Pippin, and Robbie Coltrane's Hagrid, who - despite clrealy having a broad Scottish accent in the HP books (as doesn Coltrane himself, obviously) - he adopts a northern English accent). Refreshingly, Des doesn't do this so much, so he's less concerned about whether or not everyone understands him ("Ye don't wannae know what happened to me... Ye don't wannae know... Awright, there pal?" etc).

  • April 19, 2007, 4:50 p.m. CST

    Dammit

    by Leopold Scotch

    I thought that might happen. It took five minutes for that first fucker to show up.

  • April 19, 2007, 4:55 p.m. CST

    Tom Reagan-I thought the same thing about the sat phone

    by samsquanch

    That would be a simple trick, since to the Losties they've been on the island what, like three months? but in "reality", the show has been going for three years, almost four. Maybe in the "outside world" it's spring 2007, but on the Island its still 2003 or whatever.

  • April 19, 2007, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Who the heck is Jacob???

    by SPECTRE Agent

    Honestly, with all the multiple storylines being told in disjointed order, the casual fan needs a chart to figure out whats going on.

  • April 19, 2007, 4:59 p.m. CST

    Then you wait, Leopold

    by Talkbacker with no name

    then you wait. :)

  • April 19, 2007, 4:59 p.m. CST

    No it's not on the net.

    by CorpseRide

    I mentioned BitTorrent in connection to the finale being 90 minutes - i.e. not 2 hours, as if you d/l via BitTorrent you don't have to wade through the commercials. That's how I like my Lost - in a pure unadulterated hit.

  • April 19, 2007, 5:06 p.m. CST

    Bilbo

    by Leopold Scotch

    I don't think that's an island pic: I think it's from Des's last episode, the scene where he breaks up with Penny. The background seems greenish, but it's too blurred to figure out: still, I think you can just make out the Des's London scarf at the edge of the picture, plus, obviously she's crying.

  • April 19, 2007, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Yeah, what about Jacob?

    by _Maltheus_

    I remember someone here, Pwned or Novaman maybe, telling me months ago that we'd get Jacob's story in a week or two. We never really did. Not a huge deal to me, since the show has picked up some, but at the time it sounded like someone knew something. I suppose he's hanging with Locke somewhere. Unless Locke's father is Jacob. Last season, I though his Dad might turn out to be the other's leader. I can see Ben keeping him as a captive figurehead for the others.

  • April 19, 2007, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Here's a pic

    by Leopold Scotch

    It's not the exact scene, but he's wearing the same stuff, plus his hair is pretty long.<br>http://tinyurl.com/374k28

  • April 19, 2007, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Accents

    by kuryakin

    The monk had a genuine Scottish accent, although modified. Actually I thought it had been overdubbed by Henry Ian Cusick at first. The girl and her brother - dreadful. Hers was one of the fucking fakiest I've ever heard. I was cringing till she revealed good old Desmond to be a Jungle Jim. And where exactly was this monastery that was producing wine?? Two words- Buckfast Abbey.

  • April 19, 2007, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Well, Buckfast is obviously big in Glasgow

    by Leopold Scotch

    But the abbey is down in Devon. I got the impression that the abbey in Lost was further north, though it doesn't quite say that.<br><br>As for Ruth, I know people who actually speak like that and, (cringeworthy though it may be, even for most Scots), I maintain that she's just a rural burd. Maybe the acting doesn't help either.

  • April 19, 2007, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Bilbo

    by Leopold Scotch

    It ain't me who's to do the convincing ;)<br><br>I meant that in good taste...

  • April 19, 2007, 5:59 p.m. CST

    I didn't have a problem with Ruth's accent.

    by CorpseRide

    Then again, I'm from Berkshire, so what the hell do I know?

  • April 19, 2007, 6:12 p.m. CST

    BilboFatwa Thanks you rock

    by leesheri

    I would say Penny does look older, but that could be the harsh lighting. It also looks like some serious foliage behind them.<BR> On a separate note: Desmond's guides... one seems to be telling him he is meant for greater things, the monk and the other, the old lady, seems to be telling him there is nothing he can do. The mixed messages are confusing. I agree Desmond is a good person, but he accidentally killed that man from the hatch. So he isn't perfect.

  • April 19, 2007, 6:14 p.m. CST

    ashoko

    by leesheri

    actually someone above posted it... if Tom Cruise is on Lost I will stop watching. He is such a whack job! I might get Scientology cooties just watching it.

  • April 19, 2007, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Ruth

    by kuryakin

    No way was she Scottish, 'rural' or otherwise. That was one of the worst accents I've seen on TV - she chased it all around western Europe, the wife thought she was supposed to be Irish. And I am aware Buckie is made in Devon, it was more of an observation about this mysterious 'quality' vineyard in Britain. <br> See that's the thing about Lost that annoys me. At the time I go - great episode. Then afterwards I think, hang on, where was this monastery producing expensive wine? A whisky I could believe maybe. <br> And how old is Desmond? Presumably this was before the army, or are we supposed to think that the events of the previous flashback sent him to a monastery rather than the army? But it couldn't be cos he didn't go back to before he knew Penny. So what was that all about? Come on Penny - first the Church, then the army? This guy likes the company of men, you're wasting your time and daddy's money trying to find him. And speaking of which, whoever mentioned Tom and Ben being lovers is bang on the money. I mean come on - the whole "You're not my type" comment, the way Tom was freaking out when Jack was threatening Ben, the little looks they exchange - it's all there. <br> So basically what I'm saying is Jacob is Vincent

  • April 19, 2007, 6:53 p.m. CST

    re:sat phone

    by imageburn13

    something funny I noticed on a screencap of the satphone, this is pure speculation and not to be taken seriously at all; i seem to see an "antenna" icon at the top-middle of the screen, and it seems to have a few "bars" of connectivity... again, just an observation,,

  • April 19, 2007, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Ahh, MeshGearFoxx

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Pull out another bag of tricks from your scientific box.

  • April 19, 2007, 7:02 p.m. CST

    Locke

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    What I'm talking about is this:<p> Go to Quick Talkback Form. Type something in the subject line. Leave everything else blank. <p>Click "Post Comment" and voila! You are transported to the magical - yes I said it - "Post comment" page where it says<p> Formatting guidelines: Allowed HTML tags: <a> <em> <strong> <cite> <code> <ul> <ol> <li> <dl> <dt> <dd><p> Lines and paragraphs break automatically.<p> More information about formatting options <p>(which is a link)<p>Now do see? Finally?

  • April 19, 2007, 7:05 p.m. CST

    LINE BREAKS ETC - The Real Story!!

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    <p>Please forgive the double post, the subject was wrong above.)<p>What I'm talking about is this:<p> Go to Quick Talkback Form. Type something in the subject line. Leave everything else blank. <p>Click "Post Comment" and voila! You are transported to the magical - yes I said it - "Post comment" page where it says<p> Formatting guidelines: Allowed HTML tags: <a> <em> <strong> <cite> <code> <ul> <ol> <li> <dl> <dt> <dd><p> Lines and paragraphs break automatically.<p> More information about formatting options <p>(which is a link)<p>Now do see? Finally?

  • April 19, 2007, 7:13 p.m. CST

    let's see

    by kuryakin

    Oh yes <strong>It does work</strong> How weird

  • April 19, 2007, 7:13 p.m. CST

    damn

    by kuryakin

    but it doesn't post the way it previews

  • April 19, 2007, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Yeah that's what I've been trying to say

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    I tried the emphasis code which is - sans spaces < em > < /em> but no dice. I've been saying the redcoats are coming all damn day!

  • April 19, 2007, 7:30 p.m. CST

    I tried the < strong>

    by kuryakin

    Dammit teasing us like this is even worse than when Herc advised us to watch the Sarah Silverman show. Or that thing with Angel and Zooey Whatsername's sister.

  • April 19, 2007, 7:42 p.m. CST

    It is so close ... and yet so far

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Though I doubt it was on purpose. Probably a mistake on someone's part that it even is accessible ... I only stumbled across it by chance.

  • April 19, 2007, 7:48 p.m. CST

    I bet somewhere here

    by kuryakin

    There's a version of this site that actually has been updated since 1997

  • April 19, 2007, 7:58 p.m. CST

    The reason Penny's arrival...

    by DarthCorleone

    ...would make an anticlimactic finale: like Locke, the viewers are no longer interested in rescue, and that's primarily what Penny signifies. We're interested in the Island and its mysteries. Most of the characters on the show would leave in a heartbeat and never give a second thought to the mysteries - and that's certainly not untrue to them.

  • April 19, 2007, 8:12 p.m. CST

    I agree Darth

    by leesheri

    <em> but </em> it would still be awesome to have her come. Maybe she would be stuck too, and daddy would have to rescue them.

  • April 19, 2007, 8:14 p.m. CST

    Hey Bilbo

    by leesheri

    You seem to have the know how and the technology, could you get a still of the picture on the monk that fired Desmond's desk?

  • April 19, 2007, 8:18 p.m. CST

    leesheri

    by DarthCorleone

    Given whatever happened to that helicopter, it would seem that even if you know where the island is, rescue isn't assured, so that's certainly a possibility.

  • April 19, 2007, 8:20 p.m. CST

    Bernard & Rose...

    by DarthCorleone

    Nice to see acknowledgment that they're still around. And to some extent it makes sense that they wouldn't be in on the action as much, as all they want to do is live out the rest of their lives on the island in peace. On the other hand, you'd think that would give them even more of an active interest in learning about their new neighbors/environment.

  • April 19, 2007, 8:35 p.m. CST

    Question for Corpsey

    by Chest_Rockwell

    So, I went to that lostpedia/spoiler site you posted way up in this TB. And I was reading the spoilers for the rest of season 3. My question is, where do those people get their spoilers? Have they already seen the eps, or do they get the "spoilers" via spies and such? Like "Watch with Kristin" or whatever it's called. Has that person actually seen the ep, or is it coming from her "sources" and what he/she can piece together..

  • April 19, 2007, 8:38 p.m. CST

    leesheri...

    by CorpseRide

    here is it, in all it's badly photoshopped glory:<br> http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Image:3x17_Ms_Hawking_Picture.jpg <br> Remove spaces in that link, as ever.

  • April 19, 2007, 8:45 p.m. CST

    Rockwell

    by CorpseRide

    Those sources are a mixture of: TV columnists who have relatively direct access to the show's producers & PR people, spoiler blogs, local Hawaiian newspapers, press releases, reports from extras, leaked photos, etc etc. Sometimes people like Kristin have seen an ep, but usually they've just phone up the show's PR folks and wheedled some facts out of them.<br> Sometimes it's just a matter of looking at the call sheet for the episode. For example, this last ep had a listing for a "parachutist" character, then that was changed in a later call sheet to "Naomi". Once you have enough info, you can usually connect the dots and work out what's going on with an ep.

  • April 19, 2007, 8:53 p.m. CST

    I missed the bernard and rose shout out...

    by Novaman5000

    Anyone care to fill me in on what was actually said? I realize it's trivial but I'm curious nonetheless.

  • April 19, 2007, 8:59 p.m. CST

    oh wait was it the mix tape thing?

    by Novaman5000

    I remember "don't tell bernard"...

  • April 19, 2007, 8:59 p.m. CST

    you people are stupid

    by sakkatta

    it is embarrasing to see every moron post a half-baked theory about lost. you people are ALWAYS wrong and you think there are mysteries where there aren't any. Why can't you just watch the damn show and shut up?

  • April 19, 2007, 9:10 p.m. CST

    sakkatta

    by rockness

    sorry not everyone is quite as miserable as you. some people enjoy trading theories even if they are ALWAYS wrong. thats part of the fun dude.

  • April 19, 2007, 9:58 p.m. CST

    Half-naked Kate!!! MY DEAR LORD!!!!

    by wackybantha

    It is hard to believe anyone can look that cute and sexy just standing there......and, of course, changing clothes.

  • April 19, 2007, 9:59 p.m. CST

    HERE'S MY HALF-BAKED THEORY ABOUT LOST!!!

    by wackybantha

    IT'S ALL A DREAM!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAH!!!!! OH MAN, I KILL ME!!!

  • April 19, 2007, 10:08 p.m. CST

    Y'know what I wanna see?

    by Monkey Butler

    Penny arrives near teh end of the finale with a couple of planes. She loads up a bunch of the survivors and Others, but stops the main characters from leaving because they've still got "something left to do". And then she leaves without giving more explanation. So season four would be The Others and the 815ers working together to find out why they were left behind, and what they have to do to leave (if they all do, that is). I doubt it'll happen, but it'd be cool IMO. Save on extras casting as well.

  • April 20, 2007, 12:25 a.m. CST

    Season finale *MILD SPOILER*

    by zacdilone

    Given that the season finale is a Jack flashback, I don't think Penny will play into it much. I think it's far more likely that the big cliffhanger, "wow" moment will come when Jack's dad is revealed to be "Jacob." Just my theory.

  • April 20, 2007, 12:48 a.m. CST

    obvioulsy

    by slkboxrman

    no one reads the lost wiki....jacob is jacob vanderman, on the hanso foundation board of directors... it cant just be a coincidence.... as for the writers fogetting about a plot thread, its the same retarded argument as "filler" episodes or "making it up as they go" ...listen carefully...just because the mysteries or plot threads u want resolved arent resolved does not mean that they were forgotten....it means ur an impatient imbecile, enjoy a good show while it lasts

  • April 20, 2007, 3:23 a.m. CST

    What happened to the DeGroots flashback?

    by Regis Travolta

    Why aren't they in the batting order anymore for the last five ep's? Do we have to wait until next year to see Gerald and Karen in the 70's?

  • April 20, 2007, 4:53 a.m. CST

    according to tv.com

    by kuryakin

    Now I dunno how accurate these are, but describing episode 3.20, the Ben one, says "This episode will show us the life of Horace and Olivia, who are teachers. We will see them back in the 70's and how they are connected to the Dharma initiative." I don't believe I have seen mention of them before on here. Also the Charlie ep afterwards says "Charlie's fate will be decided. We will also find out more about Charlie's father." <br> <br> Man what is it with this show and fathers?

  • April 20, 2007, 7:06 a.m. CST

    Walt

    by Steve_Dooku

    You know, *if* Michael was return to Mystery Island - why the hell would he bring Walt back after what the Others did? He would be insane. This protective father who KILLED two people for his son would never dream of bringing Walt back. But I'm sure they'll figure out a reason....

  • April 20, 2007, 7:23 a.m. CST

    Regis Travolta

    by ElPaw

    We'll apparently see the DeGroots in Ben's flashback episode.

  • April 20, 2007, 7:34 a.m. CST

    BilboFatwa

    by jimbojones123

    Star Wars EU is SOOOOO much better than the movies Canon. Anybody who disagrees needs to bother to read a book.

  • April 20, 2007, 7:36 a.m. CST

    Walt being older

    by jimbojones123

    Chill folks, last year he didn't look any older???

  • April 20, 2007, 7:56 a.m. CST

    Accents

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    I'm no expert so I wan't bothered, but it seems as if the guy who played the monk is Irish. http://www.peeledzero.com/us.html

  • April 20, 2007, 8:08 a.m. CST

    Scrap the Jack finale

    by Itchy

    and just insert two straight episodes of Goth Claire bathing herself in the ocean in sheer lingeries. Theres still time to film it !

  • April 20, 2007, 8:33 a.m. CST

    Novaman5000

    by GOB Adama

    Yeah, I know about the common misuse of "Immaculate Conception" (I appreciate the polite correction, none the less) which I so willingly perpetrated (bad thing for an educator to do, I admit). Not being an overly creative sort, I could think of no better why to invoke the notion of the western world's most famous miracle birth. <p> </p> Point still stands... If Juliette is getting a gal knocked up w/o a father of any sort (which she is not) it would be an AMAZING leap of the show's sci-fi elements. I mean, what would that be? Causing a woman to conceive and incubate her own clone? But that's not what's happening. OR IS IT??? Dun dun DUN!!! Why am I even wasting time with this? Oh, that's right. To add an extra grain of sand to Sakkatta's vagina. <p> </p> So say we all... Or just me, I guess.

  • April 20, 2007, 9:30 a.m. CST

    re jimbojones

    by Steve_Dooku

    Walt will look more than a couple weeks older since the actor has aged 3 years. A kid's appearance changes WAY more in a couple years than an adults.

  • April 20, 2007, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Anybody seen Richie?

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    I keep coming back until someone REMEMBERS seeing Richie!

  • April 20, 2007, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Concerning Walt...

    by GOB Adama

    I have heard numerous mentions of Michael returning, but do we actually know if Walt will be as well or are we just assuming?

  • April 20, 2007, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Walt

    by Steve_Dooku

    They could easily keep him out of the story. If Michael returns (not really sure why HE would want to either) the conversation:<br><br> Jack: "Hey Michael, how's Walt doing?"<br><br> Michael: "Great. He is home safe. I didn't want to come back to this place and I sure as hell wasn't going to bring him back after what those people did to him"<br><br> And then they'll never talk about him again and the mystic quality of Walt will be gone too.

  • April 20, 2007, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Big Spoiler

    by Epictetus

    Just saw this on a reputable web site so I'd say it's canonical: Sometime late in season 3, Juliette will approach Aaron with a strange looking medical instrument. She won't be looking to inject him with an implant, but rather take his lostichlorian count. After doing this, she will radio Ben Linus and tell him "His Lostichlorian count is off the charts, over 20,000...even more than Master Jacob. He is the chosen one." Then, over the next few seasons Aaron will gain in intelligence quickly. He will construct his own canteen and learn the ways of the Island Force from Locke. Locke will give him a super canteen that never goes dry and tell him, "Your father wanted me to give you this canteen." Flash forward to the end of season 7 and at the ripe age of 3 Aaron will build an airplane from coconuts and plant material. The last line of season 7 will be Aaron screaming with excitement: "It's working! It's WORKING!!!"

  • April 20, 2007, 10:10 a.m. CST

    Somebody...

    by GOB Adama

    ...Please crate up Epictetus and lose them in a warehouse like at the end of "Raiders of the Lost Ark" <p></p> That was bad... FUNNY, but bad.

  • April 20, 2007, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Fake, "Funny" Spoilers

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Getting kind of tired. Can't you people make bad jokes without marking it "spoilers"?

  • April 20, 2007, 10:36 a.m. CST

    bilbo

    by leesheri

    Thanks you rock and its sista' I guess lol

  • April 20, 2007, 10:39 a.m. CST

    Corpse

    by leesheri

    Thank you too. See that is why I dig this place. People are super friendly when they want to be.

  • April 20, 2007, 10:42 a.m. CST

    Nova - Bernard

    by leesheri

    It was really not much. I can't recall exactly what was said. It was like he had done something for someone. Something small, a chore he had done or he lent someone something.

  • April 20, 2007, 10:51 a.m. CST

    Bernard = Phil Collins fan

    by Epictetus

    The "mixed tape" that Sawyer gave Kate was "Phil Collins' Greatest Hits" that belonged to Bernard. <p> So he said not to tell Bernard that he had stolen it. <p> This could be a huge plot point, what if "Jacob" turned out to be Phil Collins!?!? <p> Then we would finally know what Phil meant by "I can feel it comin' in the air tonight, oh lord." He was referring to the plane crash! <p> The Lost writers are geniuses. This is all so meta.

  • April 20, 2007, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Steve_Dooku

    by jimbojones123

    That still assumes that Walt and Michael left. Why would they if Deasmond couldn't? Would Ben really let them go if he wouldn't let Juliette EVER go or Jack? HECK NO! At the beginning of season 3 Actor that plays Walt will only be 2 years older than the end of season 1. WHO KNOWS? They can pull a Hobbit on him and make him look small maybe?

  • April 20, 2007, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Concerning Walt...

    by GOB Adama

    Any number of things could be done, to be sure. I was just wondering if anyone actually heard anything that we can hang our speculations on.

  • April 20, 2007, 11:18 a.m. CST

    I agree jimbo

    by Steve_Dooku

    It's really been what a couple weeks since Michael left? That boat wouldn't have the fuel to get back to mainland let alone time.(assuming they are *really* far away)<br><br> They can really do anything with that storyline at this point. You're right.

  • April 20, 2007, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Regarding Walt and Michael leaving

    by Fount of Useless Info

    Ben told them to stay on heading 325 and they would reach help. He never said anything whatsoever about reaching the mainland. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't, but I'd never trust that Ben means the same thing you do if he doesn't use the same words. Of course, that's (part of) what makes him such an excellent character.

  • April 20, 2007, 11:49 a.m. CST

    I just don't get the Walt hangup

    by jimbojones123

    Forced perspective can do wonders to make him smaller, but why has EVERYBODY been dwelling on the Walt age thing since day one? Whatever, continue hating the show over it.

  • April 20, 2007, 11:51 a.m. CST

    GOB Adama

    by Fount of Useless Info

    Would that grain of sand eventually turn into a pearl? Just curious.

  • April 20, 2007, 11:55 a.m. CST

    Jimbojones

    by Fount of Useless Info

    Forced Perspective can make people look smaller, but change happens fast at that age and impacts more than height. I have faith that they will deal with it when it comes up, and I'm not going to waste time worrying about it until then.

  • April 20, 2007, 12:29 p.m. CST

    Well Aint It Cool News...

    by Double-Oh

    that Raimi just confirmed that there will be a Spidey 4,5 and 6?

  • April 20, 2007, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Would that grain of sand eventually turn into a pearl?

    by GOB Adama

    Close; it will turn into 'The Pearl' station. That is one crazy island!

  • April 20, 2007, 1:47 p.m. CST

    that Raimi just confirmed that there will be a Spidey 4

    by GOB Adama

    'Cause Spidey 6 would, logically, be SIX TIMES BETTER than Spidey 1. It's simple MATH, people. <p> </p> Sorry, just being a smart ass. Loving the Spider-Man series, thus far, but that has my Spidey-senses tingling. <p> </p> Crap! What talkback is this? 'Lost'!? DAMN IT! Off-Topic! Off-Topic! ABORT! ABORT! <p> </p> Aw, screw it. *POST*

  • April 20, 2007, 3:43 p.m. CST

    Walt's age

    by lordgrimplemort

    I don't see why Walt's growth would be such a huge deal. If he comes back, I hope they just ignore it and trust people to realize that the ACTOR has grown in real life rather than create some convoluted explanation for it and change the plot. It works for the Harry Potter kids- they don't come back each year and say "hey we've only been gone for a summer--why do you look 2 1/2 years older?"

  • April 20, 2007, 4:23 p.m. CST

    walt's size

    by maxwell's hammer

    The age that Malcolm David Kelly is at is unfortunate, because he's not just going to be taller, he will literally go from being a little boy to being a Young Man, which is a bit much to hang your suspension of belief on. I too have faith that the creators have a solution, and I really hope they don't just assume we won't notice how different he looks.

  • April 20, 2007, 4:27 p.m. CST

    Walt

    by Steve_Dooku

    I was just bringing some "what if" and speculating. Hardly earth shattering or "hate" material. The reason it matters (or not) is that the show will be 3.5 years older when/if Walt comes back, yet only months of time have passed on the island. Kids grow fast in real life <br><br> It's easier to buy into the Harry Potter actors aging because actual years have passed since they were first years. If they quit filming the first Harry Potter at Christmas break in the film, then resumed 3 years later, it would be hard to take seeing all the actors 3 years older, yet their characters are supposed to be the same age.

  • April 20, 2007, 4:42 p.m. CST

    The creators have said that they are planning on

    by Novaman5000

    "dealing with" Malcolm David Kelly's growth. I hope they do, because that story is completely unfinished. I trust that we'll get an explanation about walt, but as for flashbacks, unless they shot them last year, we'll never see what the others did, only hear about it... As long as its explained...

  • April 20, 2007, 4:44 p.m. CST

    the harry potter kids pretty much look their age

    by Novaman5000

    That's why i'm glad they're keeping them. They've never been THAT much older than they're supposed to be. For the final film they'll be 20 year olds playing 17 year olds, and that's pretty close considering that American TV and movies often have late twenty-somethings playing high school kids...

  • April 20, 2007, 9:24 p.m. CST

    Right off the bat

    by thefilmfreak

    The Flash vs. Superman in a foot race? Right off the bat you can tell Brian K. Vaughn's ep from the others. I love it.

  • April 20, 2007, 11:02 p.m. CST

    Possible Walt solution

    by PwnedByStallone

    Here's an easy one that I don't think is out of the realm of possibilty. If they want to bring Walt back and he's aged too obviously why not start the 4th or 5th season ahead 3 or 4 years.

  • April 21, 2007, 3:03 a.m. CST

    Or perhaps....

    by wackybantha

    ....Walt and pop were in the REAL WORLD and they aged normally as time passed BUT when they go back to the island they return to a time when just a couple of months after the crash. TIME TRAVEL CRAZINESS!!! SPACE-TIME CONTINUUM GOING KOOKOO!!! FREAKY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • April 21, 2007, 3:47 a.m. CST

    Again, no time dilation between island and real world

    by ElPaw

    Proof: external clocks (the date Juliet came to the island, and the date of the plane crash) are synchronised with internal clocks (how many days Juliet has counted on the island).

  • April 21, 2007, 3:25 p.m. CST

    Erm Excuse me Jack....

    by 2LeggedFreak

    Whats happened to the kids ? ( You mentioned a couple of days ago they were safe) but nobody seems keen on asking you whats happened to them so I thought I would. <br> <br> Of course if this is too minor a question you just go back to your ping pong. <br> <br> Honestly, another episode where nobody asks the burning questions.

  • April 21, 2007, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Catch-22

    by Boffin

    Did Des saving Charlie actually changed the present? Switching out Penny for Naomi. I am inclined to agree with those that say it was always Naomi. Partly because of the copy of Ardil-22 found in the pack, but also the reference itself. In the novel, Heller's Catch-22 didn't actually exist. That is where all it's power was derived from. You can't dispute nothing. So, in a way, it doesn't matter what "bad visions" Des has. Whatever actions he takes based upon them will lead to the predetirmined outcome. That's the Catch-22. (Think of his time traveling in "FBYE") He cannot change what is meant to pass. If he hadn't been out with the guys looking for Penny, Naomi would certainly have perished in that tree. The hopes of the Losties rescue vanishing with her. That group of people had to be right where they were to hear the copter crash and see the beacon in order to save her. Saving her can potentially save them. So, Des' vision is leading him to Pen... just in a roundabout fashion. Or, you know, I am totally wrong. Also, I believe Cuse and MC Gainey worked together on the Adventures of Brisco County, Jr.

  • April 21, 2007, 8:42 p.m. CST

    Just to clarify about the Flash/Superman debate

    by GimpInMyPants

    The story about the Flash and Superman racing is taken from an actual comic book story where both superheroes race for charity. Hurley was familar with this story and that's why says they run for charity. An episode for Superman Animated Series on WB also featured this race. The Flash wins because that's his most notable power. Superman may not be the fastest but he still has a shitload of powers. It wouldn't make sense to make the Flash's only power, running really fast, not be the best in the DCU or else why have the Flash around in the first place.

  • April 22, 2007, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Superman the flash and the old ring lady

    by kingoflight

    Yup The Flash is fastest thus him being the flash he would be a redundant hero if someone was faster than him. Also its referenced a couple of times in smallville where the flash is faster than clarke much faster. Anyway back to lost, i was watching it again just now and i noted that the monk had a picture on his desk. This is the part where desmondo brings back his robs to the monks office, the picture is of the monk and a grey hair lady...... the ring lady who tell desmond about his path ect and then promtly shows that guy in the red shoes getting killed. Just thought that would throw a curve ball your way :P

  • April 23, 2007, 10:56 a.m. CST

    kingoflight, regarding the elderly "ring" lady

    by GOB Adama

    Sorry, dude. Old news.

  • April 23, 2007, 11:29 p.m. CST

    patchy's gaff

    by Lone_Gunman

    anyone notice in last esp 3.16 that when ben & juliet approached the comm centre, ben was tryna tell patchy not to shoot. Why? That cuz mean theres another hostile group on the island! after all it cant be the losties as they crashed the same day. Had anyone picked up on this?

  • May 12, 2007, 1:43 p.m. CST

    Speaking of future crap

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    <br>........................<br> bold will be important in the future.