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Raimi Comments on THE HOBBIT rumors - ramifications for SPIDER-MAN 4 - EW has the story!

Hey folks, Harry here - there isn't a lot of info here - but Entertainment Weekly sat down with Sam Raimi, Kirsten Dunst and Sony's Matt Tolmach - and got the beginning comments of what is sure to be an oft inquired about story. That of Raimi leaving the SPIDER-MAN franchise to do THE HOBBIT. As far as I know this is the first time that Raimi has commented upon the rumors - and Kirsten comments on what she'd do if he left SPIDER-MAN. Check out the house of dominos...

From EW.COM On the eve of what is expected to be the biggest Spider-Man yet, Entertainment Weekly learns that director Sam Raimi is seriously considering directing The Hobbit—a choice that could potentially leave Spidey 4 without a director and, says Kirsten Dunst, a leading lady. Raimi’s name has been floated in connection with The Hobbit ever since a very public dustup between Peter Jackson and New Line chairman Bob Shaye left the Lord of the Rings prequel without a director. Raimi went on the record for the first time about his potential involvement in the project during an exclusive interview with EW’s Steve Daly for the magazine’s Summer Preview issue, on stands Friday: “Peter Jackson might be the best filmmaker on the planet right now. But, um, I don’t know what’s going to happen next for me right now. First and foremost, those are Peter Jackson and Bob Shaye’s films. If Peter didn’t want to do it, and Bob wanted me to do it—and they were both ok with me picking up the reigns—that would be great. I love the book. It’s maybe a more kid-friendly story than the others.” Dunst says she hadn’t heard any rumors about Raimi and The Hobbit until EW raised the subject in an interview. She says she can’t imagine returning for Part 4 without both her director and her costar: “It’s disrespectful to the whole team, I think, to do that. And audiences aren’t stupid. It’d be a big flop without me, Tobey, or Sam. That would really not be the smartest move. But they know that already. [Sony chief] Amy Pascal would never do that.” Maguire has already expressed his ambivalence about returning for another sequel. Sony’s President of Production Matt Tolmach tells EW that the studio is cautiously optimistic about retaining the team that launched the Spidey franchise so spectacularly: “Listen, we’re making Spider-Man 4. Our hope, dream and intention is to do it with Sam. But I don’t have a crystal ball.”
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  • April 16, 2007, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Oh hell no

    by magnetoelectric

    Get the fuck outa here.No way

  • April 16, 2007, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Hmmmmmm.

    by PMcGoohan

    very diplomatic of Raimi

  • April 16, 2007, 4:34 p.m. CST

    both these movies will be made

    by roccotheripper

    regardless of who will make them or be in them

  • April 16, 2007, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Not that I don't think Raimi's a great director...

    by ldm882

    ...but when I read this story I looked over at Kurt Russell, and he definitely wasn't laughing.

  • April 16, 2007, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Kirsten Dunst

    by dancinggopher01

    If she isnt in the next movie, I will do a jig. And maybe the robot for giggles.

  • April 16, 2007, 4:38 p.m. CST

    "It’d be a big flop without me," - come on Kiki !

    by Pound Sand

    You don't bring that much to the table. Swap out Tobey for Jakey G and Raimi for, oh, I don't know, McG and voila! Spidey 4.

  • April 16, 2007, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Bruce Campbell as Gandalf!?

    by Style_92

    And will Smaug be a friend/father figure to Bilbo until a horrible accident arbitrarily turns him evil?

  • April 16, 2007, 4:39 p.m. CST

    Agreed

    by Ravengrey26

    Well, maybe not about the McG part, but I definitely think Dunst could be swapped for someone else - a Tobey switch might be harder to swallow, but not impossible

  • April 16, 2007, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Compromise by filming a Hobbit-Spidey crossover

    by Mullah Omar

    Put Gandalf in spandex and have him shoot webs at an army of Green Goblins. Replace Smaug with The Lizard. Everybody wins.

  • April 16, 2007, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Melissa Crider could play Mary Jane....

    by Monkey_King

    but I think Bob Shaye is an money-grubbing prick and owes both money and THE HOBBIT to Peter Jackson, NOT Sam Raimi.

  • April 16, 2007, 4:44 p.m. CST

    Spidey 4 Casting Snafu

    by chiahead

    Ok first off, Dunst's leaving would hardly forbode less boxoffice. Not sure who her enablers are, but she hasn't made a decent film since, well, her first. Although I did like Bring it On.. whatever- What I think would be uber cool is if Maggie Gyllenhall replaced HER ass on Spidey 4 (she's good at that.) And then, while we were at it, we got JAKE to play Spidey. How fucking hilarious would that be? I mean, he's already kissed a dude on screen, he might as well go whole hog and kiss his sister. I hear Lucas is looking at them for a digital remastering of the original trilogy...

  • April 16, 2007, 4:45 p.m. CST

    I think Kirsten's Dunst teeth could star in The Hobbit

    by Pound Sand

    As Babette-from-the-Shire-with-no-fluoride.

  • April 16, 2007, 4:46 p.m. CST

    What SONY will do....

    by Jobacca

    I fully expect Spiderman 4 to be an "Ultimate Spidey" type of thing-they will get an up and coming director,younger actors to play Peter and MJ,and sign them all to a 5 picture deal for peanuts. SONY has made a fortune off this franchise,but no way will they shell out the bucks to get Raimi,Maguire,and Dunst back for part 4.

  • April 16, 2007, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Alicia Witt would have been a better Mary Jane

    by BrowncoatJedi

    Screw you, Dunst!

  • April 16, 2007, 4:48 p.m. CST

    George Burns

    by Frank Black

    It is indeed a shame George Burns isn't alive to take the Spiderman role, but one could only imagine how glorious that could have been. (SIGH) The Spiderman movies are a roller coaster because I get really excited during the build-up towards a new one and then feel a little bored while they are happening. Sam Raimi made some fun Evil Dead movies and I enjoyed The Gift and A Simple Plan a hell of a lot more than the Spiderman movies but him on The Hobbit, um no thanks! (I'd much rather see Peter Jackson do it and I feel pretty lukewarm about him anyway. More family fun, over-produced studio films based on comic books sound pretty uninspiring. These days I think I would rather see a mess of a film by a coked up director than an over-polished commercial disguised as a movie. Am I alone or are people really that excited about Spider-Man and The Hobbit?

  • April 16, 2007, 4:48 p.m. CST

    If Sam had just killed off MJ in Spidey 3...

    by Childe Roland

    ...like I told him too, this wouldn't even be an issue.<p>Kidding.<p>Frankly, I've always hoped Spidey would be a three-and-out franchise. And everything I've heard about this third film indicates that it would be a helluva note to go out on.<p>I think Sam is an infinitely better director for The Hobbit than Jackson (and I love Jacksons Rings movies, so don't call me a hater). I just think he has an understanding of what that book is that Jackson has not demonstrated at all in his discussions of how he'd handle it.<p>As for Dunst, wow...she thinks an awful lot of herself, huh?<p>Look at what they (Marvel) are doing with the Hulk franchise. Flushing everything and (apparently) starting over. I'd hate to see that happen to Spidey, but it's not like the suits haven't demonstrated the willingness and the capacity.

  • April 16, 2007, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Mary Jane could easily be written out of future sequel

    by Alonzo Mosely

    Without anyone caring... Scarlett Johansson as the Black Cat and the audience will eat it up...

  • April 16, 2007, 4:50 p.m. CST

    KIRSTEN DUNST

    by WISEBLOOD

    Is a fuckin ugly snaggle tooth ho, worst fucking thing about the spidey films. Tobey was a good peter parker, but he aint the ONLY good peter parker. The only thing that would be a bummer would be losing Raimi, and even he could be replaced with another ballsy director, and voila...a great Spider Man 4.

  • April 16, 2007, 4:53 p.m. CST

    if anybody reads perezhilton...

    by occula

    he's always putting up pics of dunst (or drunkst as he calls her) with gollum and doing a 'separated at birth' thing. i do like her somehow but her hubris here is pretty funny. get over yourself - she could probably be replaced with frakking bryce dallas howard as MJ and people would still dig it.

  • April 16, 2007, 4:56 p.m. CST

    I think Dunst...

    by Mosquito March

    ...overvalues her importance to the franchise, as well as Tobey's. Personally, I haven't been wowed by either of them in their roles. I don't even really think Raimi has knocked these out of the park. Some of the action sequences are really fun, but overall, the movies have focused on the back-and-forth relationship between Peter and MJ, and I'm really fucking BORED with it. That stuff is important, but it seems like the action takes a back seat to two very stiff and uninteresting actors. And, somehow, Raimi managed to leech the humor out of the character. His interpretation of Peter Parker is a dour sad sack who's constantly getting pissed on by the world and a fairly ugly redhead. Tobey plays a dour sad sack really well - that's his specialty - but that's never really felt like Peter Parker to me. The thing that kept me reading the comics were the wisecracks that Spidey made to cover up the fact that he's scared. I've always envied those who can deliver a stinging oneliner when some jerk is fucking with them, either to cover the fear or to make the badguy so mad that he drops his guard. Spidey's sense of humor is a major component missing from these films. Spider-Man movies should be fucking hilarious, you know? So, I'd personally be thrilled if they found another team who had a better handle on that.

  • April 16, 2007, 4:59 p.m. CST

    I'm gonna go out on a limb here and...

    by rbatty024

    state that no one goes to a Spiderman movie because Kirsten Dunst is in it. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe she's really the star and Spiderboy, or whatever his name is, is just a distraction. I'm sure she thinks so.

  • April 16, 2007, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Mosquito March...

    by Jobacca

    totally agree with you about the humor. After seeing Spiderman 1,I commented to lots of folks that it was a better Batman movie than a Spiderman movie. Peter Parkers life IS a living hell and he IS a sad sack,but when he puts that mask on he should be a whole different person. I think Raimi and company did a great job with the Peter Parker side of the character but totally dropped the ball on the characterization of Spiderman.

  • April 16, 2007, 5:04 p.m. CST

    DAMN YOU BOB SHAYE!!!!!

    by dundundles

    DAMN YOU BOB SHAYE!!!!!

  • April 16, 2007, 5:05 p.m. CST

    It’d be a big flop without me

    by Merlox

    Kirsten go fuck yourself...you are the weakest part of both movies...and YOU not being there...would be the best thing...

  • April 16, 2007, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Thats the pot talkin

    by magnetoelectric

    Nevermind Dunst..I think we all know a Spidey4 wasnt going to happen with all the parties involved in the first three.However, Im sure they COULD make a Hobbit without Jackson,Holm or Mckellan,..but do you WANT that?

  • April 16, 2007, 5:08 p.m. CST

    spidey four

    by maluquiro

    get edgar wright to direct! a good girl for m.j. would be amy adams from the office and junebug.

  • April 16, 2007, 5:09 p.m. CST

    edgar wright

    by maluquiro

    there was an interview once where they asked him where he saw himself in ten years, and he said "directing spiderman four"...

  • April 16, 2007, 5:16 p.m. CST

    Sir Ian ....

    by livrule

    Will NEVER do it without Jackson .... think on.

  • April 16, 2007, 5:18 p.m. CST

    399.5 Post Predicition!

    by THE KNIGHT

    Lets go people!

  • April 16, 2007, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Why not just WAIT a few years and then do Spidey 4?

    by Johnno

    I can wait... it'll give Sam more time to come up with something great while working on the Hobbit. Tobey can do some other shit and by then maybe he'll miss the role and wouldn't mind coming back. And Kristen will be back if they both are. And they'll be much odler and maybe we'll get some more mature spidey storylines. Or hell! If they're already onto Venom in the 3rd film, why not just go ahead and do the clone saga? Have another actor who looks close to Tobey be his clone and be the scarlet spider, and then take on Spidey's role for the nexr films. They don't have to look the same. If Spidey can now shoot webs organically then we can have an unidentical Ben Rielly or whatever his name was... Hell we can even do that cool Spider hunt saga with the whole city going after spidey, throw the punisher in, maybe even go the Maximum carnage route and hell the possibilities are endless... We can have a much more mature spidey if we hold out on spidey 4 for awhile to distance itself from the original trilogy. You don't even have to number it 4. It'll be like batman begins except not a reboot but a whole more mature continuation from where spidey 3 left off years ago... different cast and all, just say they're older and years have passed and Spidey is a more experienced hero! You can even just start out with a sinister 6 using villians spidey fought for all those years we didn't see... this can be a good thing!

  • April 16, 2007, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Mosquito March

    by liljuniorbrown

    God thats true. I've hated KD since the MTV movie awards the year Spiderman on. She showed her true bitch colors. I would rather see Laura Prepon in that role.

  • April 16, 2007, 5:21 p.m. CST

    "It’d be a big flop without me"

    by BitterMan23

    Is she really that fucking stupid? Christ almighty, they could replace her halfway thru a scene and I can't imagine anyone would care.

  • April 16, 2007, 5:21 p.m. CST

    "It’d be a big flop without me"

    by jrbarker

    Please. She's one of the worst things about those movies.

  • April 16, 2007, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Kirsten....those aren't Spirit Fingers.....

    by EddieWOODgo

    THESE are Spirit fingers!!! I didn't even know she was in Spiderman.....no shit. Originaly Heath Ledger was offered the Spidy role....he turned it down for Monsters Ball. Just a little tidbit.

  • April 16, 2007, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Willem DaFoe as Gollum.

    by MonteCristo

    Now, THAT would be something to see.

  • April 16, 2007, 5:30 p.m. CST

    haha, "It'd be a big flop without me"- kirstin dust

    by Mike_D

    thats the new "kurt russell laughed so i guess it was okay to laugh too".

  • April 16, 2007, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Spidey could go on WITHOUT all those people!

    by Red43jes

    Look- I know all of ya have loved the trilogy. Me too. But in terms of keeping the character going, we've had different James Bonds, so why not move on to different actors and creators? Look, another way of looking at it...all of us that read comics have seen creative teams come and go. Why does a book remain successful if one creative team has gone and another comes onboard? They STILL keep us entertained. Furthermore, if Rami doesn't do Spiderman 4, maybe it wouldn't be the worst thing to happen to it. And if Dunst doesn't come back, well, the artists for the comics didn't always draw Mary Jane the same! Lets not take this so freakin' serious! Its a movie based on a fun comic book. -Red43jes

  • April 16, 2007, 5:35 p.m. CST

    so thats why grindhouse flopped!!

    by slappy jones

    finally a logical answer - no dunst!!

  • April 16, 2007, 5:38 p.m. CST

    Spidey & MJ

    by Wormie

    I would totally be fine with another cast for these movies. Raimi seems obsessed with presenting Peter as the nerd from the early Lee/Ditko issues. Any comics fan knows that Peter became less geeky after leaving high school (which he did halfway through the first movie). He always has a hard time and bad luck, but the comics' Parker is not the geek Maguire plays. Plus, of course, comic book Spidey constantly comes out with wisecracks, but movie Spidey doesn't. I'm always surprised that so many fans say Raimi and Maguire totally get the character, when their version doesn't seem to match with the character I've been about reading about for 25 years. Also, the comics' MJ is a sexy party girl with hidden depths, not the whiner Kirsten plays.

  • April 16, 2007, 5:39 p.m. CST

    can someone direct me to this "kurt russell laughed"

    by slappy jones

    thing..what is it origin because it is fucking funny and i don;t even know where it comes from....

  • April 16, 2007, 5:42 p.m. CST

    I think what everybody here is really saying

    by emeraldboy

    fire Magire and Hire Jake Gyllenhall. It nearly happened at the start of spidey 2. could it be possoible that something happens to parker that they are not letting on. Ie maybe he he goes to curt connors and asks for an anti-dote, to kill of his arachnid dna. He goes back to being peter parker. but there is a twist, MJ is pregnant with a girl.......thus giving us a potential spidey spin off somewhere down the road.

  • April 16, 2007, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Bring on Cameron! Do it right! I like the Spidey films

    by kinghenryVIII

    and all, mainly due to the fact that Rami did the Evil Dead movies and those, in my book, are just plain fun. The effects are horrid (in some cases) and exactly what was written above - the action takes 2nd seat (though #2 had a killer clock tower / subway car scene). Dunst should shut her trap, alluding to tha fact that she in particular binds the movie together. She CAN be replaced with just about anyone .... just during tryouts make sure the new MJ does the nipple busting rain kiss. I love me some fem dots!

  • April 16, 2007, 5:43 p.m. CST

    What does Kurt have to say about Kirstin's comment?!?!

    by Mike_D

    http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n28/MikeD202/amused .jpg <br> Even Kurt Russell is laughing!

  • April 16, 2007, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Peter Jackson should direct Spiderman 4

    by NinjaChampion

    Elijah as peter parker. Liv Tyler as MJ

  • April 16, 2007, 5:47 p.m. CST

    They should do one of two things...

    by pjdon

    One. Wait 4 or 5 years or more then have Rami and co come back and do another one. Letting all the characters grow up and the world change then have a fresh feeling sequel. As much as i love the 1st 2 films and can't wait for the 3rd i don't really want to see it go on and on and get stale.<p>Two. Wait a few years and start again, make a new version with different sensibilities, a different angle. New actors, new look etc. Thats what they do in comics, have several versions of each franchise running, trying different ways of doing the same thing. I love Rami's vision but that doesn't mean another director couldn't create something compleatly different and equal. <p>It's the same as the way i feel about re-makes, i welcome different artists creating works on the same idea, each one defined by the time in which it is made. We never complain that people still put on new productions of Shakespear's work or that a lot of artists paint similar things. The basic story line or concept of a film is simply a skeleton on which a thousand different ideas can be built.

  • April 16, 2007, 5:47 p.m. CST

    The Hobbit and Spidey....

    by Seany-Wan

    Let's face it, Sam is an awesome director and even he agrees that Peter Jackson should do the Hobbit. I think New Line should make peace with Peter Jackson and get him to make the the Hobbit. If he is not on board, then ( we can assume) Ian McKellan and Andy Serkis will jump ship too. Their absence would hurt more than Kirsten's. And Kirsten, sorry darlin, but as long as Toby is in the game, the fans will still come out in droves.

  • April 16, 2007, 5:50 p.m. CST

    Just keep Ratner away from it

    by Chief Redcock

    I'll pass on Spidey 4: The Last Stand, thanks.

  • April 16, 2007, 5:53 p.m. CST

    COOKIN THE BOOKS!!!

    by DOGSOUP

    Sorry had to revisit. You guys can say what you want about Kirsten Dunst but we all know if she asked you to eat her snatch right here and right now 30 seconds later you'd have MJ's girljuice all over your face. Disagree and you're a liar or totally gay.

  • April 16, 2007, 5:55 p.m. CST

    Scarlet Johanssen as Black Cat

    by Chief Redcock

    Best idea ever

  • April 16, 2007, 5:59 p.m. CST

    SHIA LABEOUF IS CONFIRMED TO BE MARY JANE IN SPIDEY 4!

    by Err

    YES!

  • April 16, 2007, 6 p.m. CST

    Stephen Sommers directing Spidey would be....

    by Chief Redcock

    ...possibly worse than Ratner. Cuaron would rule though, and would possibly be better than Raimi. Maybe James Cameron should finally film his script with Jake Gyllenhal, eh?

  • April 16, 2007, 6 p.m. CST

    Spidey 4 should have a new crew

    by kafka07

    It's just time to move on, accept it. Raimi, Macquire, Dunst & the crew made a great trilogy. And by the sound of it, the story lines wrap up in '3'. It's time for everyone involved to cover some new territory. Raimi is one of the best directors out there. He would be just fine in directing The Hobbit.

  • April 16, 2007, 6 p.m. CST

    Kirsten is full of herself

    by Exterminans

    She could easily be replaced. She has always been the weak link in the series. I love how she put herself first in that comment. She isn't hot enough to be that full of herself. She really isn't hot at all. Arrogant bitch.

  • April 16, 2007, 6:01 p.m. CST

    I love it when people say

    by SithMenace

    Raimi doesn't get this franchise or the movies don't have enough action, it just shows how some people can never be pleased. Or they're still tweeners and don't know what makes a good movie.

  • April 16, 2007, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Joseph Gordon-Levitt has actually been

    by pjdon

    in talks or something about taking up the role of Parker. I think he is a brilliant actor (Brick!) and he is perfect for the character.<p>But not this run, he should be the start of a new Spidey franchise, he's too different from Maguire.<P>Levitt should be a cooler Parker, one who is a bit reckless and likes to have fun.

  • April 16, 2007, 6:03 p.m. CST

    Jake Gyllenhal sucks and shouldn't be in Spidey 4.

    by Err

    Damn you, Gyllenhal.

  • April 16, 2007, 6:03 p.m. CST

    "It’d be a big flop without me, Tobey, or Sam."

    by ebolamonkey

    But The Hobbit will be great without Peter Jackson! Maybe she needs to rethink her logic a little bit there, seems to be working against Raimi a bit.

  • April 16, 2007, 6:04 p.m. CST

    dogsoup

    by maluquiro

    she's a very attractive girl.

  • April 16, 2007, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Joseph Gordon-Levitt

    by maluquiro

    i could see him as spidey. he looks kinda like the ultimate version. but older. cuaron would direct a rad spiderman, but i think edgar wright would rock.

  • April 16, 2007, 6:07 p.m. CST

    SithMenace, i know what you mean...

    by pjdon

    I'm a film fan first and foremost and even people who don't like comics say Spidey 2 is pretty much a perfect movie. I get the idea some of these geeks would just like loads of cool action, no characterization and no girls.

  • April 16, 2007, 6:07 p.m. CST

    didn't james cameron want

    by maluquiro

    the two from titanic to be peter and mj? i forget their names.

  • April 16, 2007, 6:08 p.m. CST

    Spider-Man 4? Who The Hell Even Wants To See #3?

    by Buzz Maverik

    One knocks you out. Two is: an okay sequel. And three is...e-fucking-nuff. It's a television series at this point, as rapidly as they show up. I'd much rather see Raimi on THE HOBBIT simply because he hasn't done that. And it'll be a long time before a SPIDER-MAN movie is interesting again. Everybody is seizing on what Kirsten Dunst said, which was a dumb thing to say. Sorry, Kirstie but every drama department at every major university has at least 5-10 girls at least as attractive as you who could handle the part of Spider-Man's girlfriend. And Tobey Maguire has done well in the role, despite being too old for it to begin with. Gyllenhall could do it, or they could retro-fit it and go younger with Joseph Gordon Levitt or Shia LeBeouff.

  • April 16, 2007, 6:09 p.m. CST

    And Dogsoup is right

    by SithMenace

    You farscape watching retards would cream your shorts if she even looked in the general direction of your penis. Stop trying to be such elitists.

  • April 16, 2007, 6:11 p.m. CST

    Holy shit, Raimi on The Hobbit...!?

    by MechaTruffautMk2

    Oh who am I kidding, it'll be lame. Anyway, Dunst is hilarious...the Spider-Man franchise could go on without any of them and still make three times the fortune over per movie, and she would certainly be the first to go. Mediocre actress, medicore looks, the MJ character has become tired and obnoxious, and will be even moreso after this new one. Another TBer had the right idea when he said do Scarlett Johannson as Black Cat. Ditch the old busted for the new hotness.

  • April 16, 2007, 6:12 p.m. CST

    Jerry O'Connell as Spiderman

    by darquelyte

    When Sliders was on, I always thought he would make a great Parker/Spiderman. Obviously, he isn't as good an actor as Maguire, but I still think he could pull it off. Also, if Raimi does do the Hobbit, Tobey might be a good Bilbo. He's not the tallest guy around.

  • April 16, 2007, 6:13 p.m. CST

    I'd rather Sam didn't make

    by Kizeesh

    I'd rather Sam didn't make it. To date I can't think of a single film he's ever made that has stirred me t tears. <p> LOTR did and it needed that, and seeing as The Hobbit is essentially a story about the loss of innocence , it needs that weightiness. I just don't see that Raimi has that in him.

  • April 16, 2007, 6:15 p.m. CST

    i say it should be george michael

    by occula

    how rad would michael cera be as peter parker? talk about rebooting the franchise!

  • April 16, 2007, 6:15 p.m. CST

    My original choice for Spidey.....

    by Seany-Wan

    John Cusack. 'nuff said.

  • April 16, 2007, 6:16 p.m. CST

    There's only one director...

    by FatSeagal

    capable of filling Peter Jacksons shoes. Give The Hoobit gig to Tim Stroy - if he makes it half as good as Taxi then colour me excited. Jimmy Fallon would make a great Gollum, and you save a fortune on the make-up. The campaign starts here!

  • April 16, 2007, 6:17 p.m. CST

    Joe Gordon Levitt

    by darquelyte

    Would be perfect if they went with him being younger. O'Connell is too old (he's a year older than Tobey,) but I still think J O'C would have made a good choice over Tobey originally, but that ship has passed. J G L would be a great recast. Shia is too overexposed, and J G L is a better actor.

  • April 16, 2007, 6:19 p.m. CST

    JGL has DiCaprio syndrome.

    by Err

    He's always squinting. OPEN YOUR DAMN EYES!!!!

  • April 16, 2007, 6:19 p.m. CST

    Mosquito March, Jobacca

    by oisin5199

    I'm right with you guys. The humor element has been sadly missing from these films. When it's there it's usually humor at Peter's expense. Maybe because Spidey's wisecracks are lengthy and usually during fights they wouldn't work on screen. Most superhero films have lacked decent humor. When they try, it's cheesy one-liners. What they usually miss is the fact that the hero's humor covers up something else, lack of self-confidence, feelings of inadequacy, etc. Humor should come out of characterization. Same way they missed the boat by making Iceman a broody boy in X-Men instead of what he is in the comics. In my opinion, the only one to come close isn't even from a comic book (well, he is now!): Xander from Buffy. His character used humor in just the way our favorite wise-ass comic characters do, clever and funny but as a defense mechanism. If only Spidey or Iceman were more like that. Maybe they'll get it right if they ever do Deadpool.

  • April 16, 2007, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Dunst, "It'd be a big flop without me, Tobey, or Sam."

    by Immortal_Fish

    Way to reverse prioritize, you nappy-headed ho.

  • April 16, 2007, 6:25 p.m. CST

    i think Joe Gordon Levitt

    by pjdon

    actually has a better figure for spidey. As much as i love Toby he wasn't spindly enough. I want a spidey who looks like a spider when he moves. He doesn't need really big muscles he has super powers. He should always be crouching and crawling as apposed to standing up straight. Jerry O'Connel would have been far too bulky for the role.

  • April 16, 2007, 6:26 p.m. CST

    Tom Everett Scott = The mature Spider-Man

    by Immortal_Fish

    Try and convince me you couldn't see him teaching 10th grade science

  • April 16, 2007, 6:28 p.m. CST

    Levitt for Spiderman.

    by Cameron1

    That's a great idea. He would definitely bring the qualities needed for a more humourous/badass Spiderman. Edgar Wright will never ever get it but it I can dream, realistically I'd go for David Fincher. Fincher and Levitt is a match made in heaven.

  • April 16, 2007, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Sam Raimi Is Not a "Great Director" and Neither Is PJ.

    by heywood jablomie

    To think that film culture would get so shitty that the directors of EVIL DEAD and MEET THE FEEBLES would be bowed down to like they're fucking Spielberg and Lucas.

  • April 16, 2007, 6:31 p.m. CST

    P.S. Anybody who's seen Woody Allen's Scoop knows...

    by heywood jablomie

    ...ScarJo should've had Kiki D's role.

  • April 16, 2007, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Oh and, I don't Jackson to do The Hobbit either.

    by Cameron1

    Raimi had it right with it being more of a children's story. I doubt Raimi would try and add the whole White Council thing or try and make it a two parter, that would really suck when you have the potential for a thrilling fantastical quest style movie.

  • April 16, 2007, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Holmes, Duntz, Berry

    by wash

    Is there some sort of club for actresses that almost ruin super-hero movies?

  • April 16, 2007, 6:41 p.m. CST

    They should make a series of stand alone

    by pjdon

    Superhero flicks. The Amazing Spiderman staring Joe G Levitt, The Incredible Hulk staring Edward Norton, The Dark Knight returns directed by Frank Miller on green screen with someone like Kurt Russel as Batman. <p>If they started doing this then maybe hollywood would realise they could have succesful movies without trying to drain every last drop out of the same talent until they ruin it. <p>I'd love to see a new actor try Spidey every few years.

  • April 16, 2007, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Spidey 4 would suck without the Big 3.

    by spaceworlder

    Sorry, but it's a fact.<br /><br /> There's no way Sony would find a couple with the kind of onscreen chemistry Tobey and Kirsten have, much less a director with the kind of genuine enthusiasm for the material that Raimi has. If Sony proceeded to make a part four without these key players, it'll probably end up like X3 or every other franchise-killing sequel in the history of comic book movies.<br /><br /> Kirsten is right, and y'all whiny nerds know it. That's why you be doing all this dissin' in these talkbacks.

  • April 16, 2007, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Who cares? you could replace all 3+ not miss a beat

    by DARTH VOODOO

    Don't get me wrong I like their work, but Spiderman is like any other assembly line franchise at this point. Just put a couple of young good looking people in the film with the suit + nobody will even notice.

  • April 16, 2007, 6:45 p.m. CST

    And once every Marvel character has been

    by pjdon

    allowed to develop they could start on an epic Civil War trilogy. Imagine how many great actors they could get in one superhero movie.

  • April 16, 2007, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Dunst = the tampon of the Spidey franchise...

    by genro

    disposable and cheap to replace. This girl is a fucking idiot.

  • April 16, 2007, 6:46 p.m. CST

    Evil Dead 4

    by JD Lux

    Heres an idea.....scrap both pics and get to work on your Evil Dead sequel...

  • April 16, 2007, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Let's think of the last time a comic book franchise...

    by spaceworlder

    ...recast the lead role so quickly: Batman.<br /><br /> Remember what a cinematic classic Batman Forever was? Oh, and then there was Batman & Robin. It was so great the franchise had to take a seven year hiatus to recover from the awesomeness.<br /><br /> Recasting the leads and changing the creative team always spells success in comic book movies!

  • April 16, 2007, 6:49 p.m. CST

    BWA-HA-HA! (rolling on the floor kicking about)

    by Triumph poops!

    Ohhhh...(wiping tears from my eyes)...what can I say except "Thank you, Kirsten" for giving me the BEST LAUGH of the day.<p>"It would be a flop without me"? I got news for you, sweetheart, there's a whole shitload of fans out here who NEVER thought you should have been cast in the first place and who think YOU are one of the few bad things in the films to date, since MJ was always supposed to be an uber HOT looking girl...which, frankly, you are not. So going on without you and recasting MJ would actually be a cause for celebration!

  • April 16, 2007, 6:50 p.m. CST

    Spiderman 4 would do better with a hotter chick

    by DARTH VOODOO

    After taking a second look at Dunst's comments I think the film would do better with a hotter chick. I suggest another young bimbo who thinks she's an actress. How about Scarlet Johansson?

  • April 16, 2007, 6:50 p.m. CST

    Spiderman 4 would do better with a hotter chick

    by DARTH VOODOO

    After taking a second look at Dunst's comments I think the film would do better with a hotter chick. I suggest another young bimbo who thinks she's an actress. How about Scarlet Johansson?

  • April 16, 2007, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Love the Spidey movies but...no Kirsten, no...

    by BRUTICUS

    I agree, I want Raimi back. But MJ whines too much and seems to have no balls as a character. Also, she's just not hot enough. MJ is like a goody goody in this. Their chemistry is barely believable as well. And with Peter Peter-.Spiderman is not only a transformation in outfit but a transformation in personality. As Spidey he is witty but as Peter arker hes a fuckin dork that you really wanna punch in the face. I can dig that for a few but I hate his face. You should want to be the superhero...I don't want to be peter parker, I want to beat him even with his powers. .... Even my girlfriend when watching Spidey 2 kept asking,.. "Is Peter Parker supposed to be such a nerd??"

  • April 16, 2007, 6:55 p.m. CST

    Kristen Dunce ....GOTTA EAT

    by BRUTICUS

    just had to do it

  • April 16, 2007, 6:55 p.m. CST

    DARTH VOODOO how can you say

    by pjdon

    these are production line movies. How is having a life long spidey fan and brilliant director working with serious actors like Topher Grace, Thomas Hayden Church and Bryce Dalas Howard (not to mention the exsisting cast) producing pitch perfect movies like Spiderman 2 be considered production line.<p>If this was a studio controlled picture we'd have Fantastic 4 instead the studio took a risk, let Rami include depth, characterization and real heart at the risk of turning off younger viewers who can't sit for more than 5 mins woithout an explosion.

  • April 16, 2007, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Why cant he do both???? I mean seriously..

    by jojo-pimp

    So what if it takes a year or two of filming The Hobbit...no one is saying Spiday 4 has to come out in 2 or 3 years even...what..just becaue he may do the hobbit means he cant do another movie when its done? he isnt doing a whole trilogy of hobbit movies is he?

  • April 16, 2007, 6:58 p.m. CST

    i really love seeing basement-dwelling troglodytes...

    by omarthesnake

    claiming Kirsten dunst is ugly. Really. Yeah. She's a troll. you'd turn her away. You pasty losers. Chivalry demands that I slap you upside your rude little heads. Fwap Fwap. That said, she is full of shit here. The franchise might suffer with the loss of Spidey, Aunt May or the Director, but her? Hell, I'll cast a vote for that Scarlett Johanssen idea (though I say she plays Silver Sable; let's face it, Black Cat is too damned similar to Catwoman for the general public) and whoever suggested Laura Prepon for MJ is a fucking genius.

  • April 16, 2007, 7 p.m. CST

    spaceworlder, you are high.

    by darwinmayflower

    whatever. the only way to make Dunst a good actress is if they use CGI to splice in her performance from interview with a vampire, and somehow write it into the script.

  • April 16, 2007, 7 p.m. CST

    Powers Boothe to star in Spiderman: Web of Crust

    by Darth_Inedible

    This will be the first in a series of gritty, more mature Spiderman pictures dealing with mature issues like failing organic webshooters and dulled spider senses.

  • April 16, 2007, 7:01 p.m. CST

    Spiderman is bigger than Raimi, Dunst, Toby

    by NHRonin

    Forty-five years of comics and she thinks it will fail without her or Raimi? There are plenty of great directors who could take over the series. Potter has had three or four directors now and they've barely missed a beat. Dunst was miscast anyway from the start...no way she is even remotely supermodel material.

  • April 16, 2007, 7:04 p.m. CST

    BRUTICUS tell yourself and your girlfriend

    by pjdon

    that Parker is suposed to be a geek, especially in Rami's version. Did you think Rami set out to make him like Leodinas and he accidently turned out geeky.<p>If your girlfriend asks such obvious questions I hate to think what she'd be like watching The Terminator or something... "Is Arnie supposed to be a robot?'<P>The reason why it is good to have Parker as a bit of a geek is that it makes him more relatable to. Most of us are cooler than him and it allows us to see things from his level and makes his alter ego more of a juxtaposition.

  • April 16, 2007, 7:07 p.m. CST

    if they have to recast...

    by ahdvd

    if Maguire's not returning for another one, i can only see one person who would be close enough to carry it on - Jake Gylenhal

  • April 16, 2007, 7:09 p.m. CST

    Why would we want to see a similar actor play the role?

    by pjdon

    If they change actors/director they should do something different. I do think the Ultimate Spiderman style would suit film very well.

  • April 16, 2007, 7:13 p.m. CST

    and if Raimi doesnt want to take the reigns...

    by ahdvd

    for a 4th time, fair enough, after the success of 300, maybe Sony should give them to Zack Snyder. Also, for recasting Dunst, hear me out, what about someone from TV? Hell, even if you dyed her hair to match, Kristen Bell couldnt be any worse?

  • April 16, 2007, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Dunst hate

    by starscream1

    While I certainly think Ms Dunst might be just little full of herself, I have to give her credit for saying it. Yes, of the three, she'd be missed the least but, like it or not, she'd still be missed. As bad as anyone might think she is, who really wants to see a new actor in the MJ role for the 4th film? Who's to say they'd be better? We all know the Hollywood machine. The chances of them casting someone truly good are slim at best. We'd probably end up with someone just as annoying... only there'd be the added distraction of thinking "that's not MJ" or "Oh yeah, that's MJ now" the entire time. If it's possible and it doesn't severly impact the integrity of the film (X-men 3 - Halle Berry's expanded role)keep the original team together.

  • April 16, 2007, 7:18 p.m. CST

    " a big flop without me"...LMFAO

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    ok Dunst, you're the worst thing in these films and pretty much the only thing i would change. MJ isnt supposed to be a frumpy snaggle-toothed bobble head. BRING ON A NEW MARY JANE!!!!

  • April 16, 2007, 7:21 p.m. CST

    Forty-Five years of continuity...

    by NHRonin

    ...and you hacks don't think they could make another half dozen good Spidey films? There are plenty of great classic villains left, Lizard, Kraven (those two should be in the same film...Kraven hunting the Lizard, Spidey trying to save Doc Connors), Vulture, Rhino, Mysterio, Scorpion, Paste Pot Pete....er...maybe not. Who wouldn't want to see them put the Torch into a Spidey film? Marvel team anyone?

  • April 16, 2007, 7:29 p.m. CST

    dunst is a stupid bitch

    by El Borak

    who thinks too much of herself. that is all.

  • April 16, 2007, 7:30 p.m. CST

    Brick man JGL

    by sHapesHiftinLizard

    for Spiderman if they go on, new MJ too please, KD is annoying and too full of herself for doing nothing much but act a little and get hoisted up on wires. The closest we got to Spidey quipping well was in the wrestling ring:"did your husband make that for you", i thought that was just the beginning but it was the beg and end, apart from the witticism of "Heres your chaaange!" I understand how it would be hard to co ordinate during fast action, but they could fit it in somewhere, taking the piss out of Jameson (we get that once, 'let mom and dad talk' thats all right?). Mind you id rather Spidey said nowt than hit out with some real clangers.

  • April 16, 2007, 7:30 p.m. CST

    Dump Dunst

    by CarmillaVonDoom

    Why was she cast as MJ again???

  • April 16, 2007, 7:32 p.m. CST

    LOTS of Spidey left...

    by ZeroCorpse

    Seriously-- Doc Ock, Goblin, Sandman, and Venom? They're just scratching the surface of Spidey's rogue's gallery. If we don't get Bruce Campbell as Mysterio- even if it's just for a 15-minute segment in the beginning of a movie- I'll be mad. If we don't get the Lizard after all the Doc Conners stuff, I'll be mad. Grab some old, menacing actor for the Vulture. Get some big, dumb hunk to play Rhino. I don't care about Dunst- Hell, she was my LEAST favorite casting choice! Tobey could go, too. Spider-Man is bigger than the both of them. This series could go on for years, like Bond films. Different Peter Parkers wouldn't matter.

  • April 16, 2007, 7:33 p.m. CST

    Sheeeitt

    by naked_mandy

    I thought the Peter Jackson announcement was just studio politics bullshit and that they'd finally quit this stupid shit. We need a Jackson-directed Hobbit! I want to see HIS Hobbiton, and Ian McKellan is Gandalf, and a 45-minute-long, bloody Battle of the Five Armies...

  • April 16, 2007, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Jar-Jar could play MJ...

    by Bigus Dickus

    ...and I'd still go. "Spidey, meesa tinking dat Sandman is a baaaad, baaaad man! Ooooh, but yousa lookin' mighty fine in dat black suit, boyo!"

  • April 16, 2007, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Someone already said it

    by IJUSTLIKEMOVIES

    but Raimi needs to cut this bullshit out, and get Rotten Apple Head out of the attic for Evil Dead 4.

  • April 16, 2007, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Elijah Wood should play Peter Parker in Spider-Man 4

    by Drath

    He looks like Maguire, only he's younger and I think a better actor (From Frodo to Sin City? Yes, he can do it). And I like Kirsten Dunst, but if she's going to play the loyalty card when Maguire doesn't seem interested, I say let her move on. I'm not sure MJ even has to be in the next sequel--can't Kate Hudson play the Black Cat?

  • April 16, 2007, 7:40 p.m. CST

    at this point

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    they could cast Bea Arthur as MJ and it'd be an improvement. <P> i admit i would be kinda sad to see Raimi go for a couple of reasons. 1. he has proven he knows his shit and makes these films a lot of fun. 2. i personally have always loved his style and that hospital scene in SM2 just reminded me of why i was happy he got the gig in the first place. 3. whp the fuck knows what could happen with a new director. i mean, we could have another joel schumacher step in or a McG. lord help us if Singe gets it...spidey will keep the black costume and it will inexplicibley have a ballgag in the mouth.

  • April 16, 2007, 7:45 p.m. CST

    singe= Singer

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    sorry...might confuse some. also if her made SM4 he would have peter swinging around new york with whips instead of webs and he would secretly long for Harry and would stalk him at night by hanging upside down outside of his house windows.

  • April 16, 2007, 7:45 p.m. CST

    Some thoughts

    by Jabba the Slut

    Some casting I would choose for future sequels- Laura Prepon-MJ-genius casting Spidey-Jake or JGLevitt Vulture-Patrick Stewart or Ben Kingsley Kraven-Ian Mcshane or Powers Boothe Rhino-Maybe Vin? Oh, and I would love to bang Kristen and Bryce in a three way-yummers!

  • April 16, 2007, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Easily 5 actresses I'd rather watch than MoonFace

    by zekmoe

    She's really not that watchable. More annoying than entertaining. More curious than interesting. I'd go with many others. I'm sure we all have good alternatives.

  • April 16, 2007, 7:49 p.m. CST

    Scarlett as Black Cat

    by Jabba the Slut

    the very thought makes me hard

  • April 16, 2007, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Alicia Witt = Mary Jane!!

    by Boneyard

    Can we Spidey-fans expect to get the Mary Jane we should had in the first place? As great as the Raimi's Spideys have been, it will be cool to get some new blood. Robert Roderiguez? Zack Synder? Corey Yuen?

  • April 16, 2007, 7:51 p.m. CST

    AMY SMART FOR MJ

    by Jabba the Slut

    YUMMY

  • April 16, 2007, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Dunst is showing the fans some props.

    by Doctor_Sin

    All she's saying is that there is a magic in the SM films and the audiences and fans have plugged into that. F Spiderman without Tobey, Dunst and Raimi.

  • April 16, 2007, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Extra, Extra...Read all about it...

    by PRAWNBALL11

    Dunst OD's on Self-importance pills…Doctors recommend four weeks rehab in the new Betty Ford - Up Your Own Arse clinic.

  • April 16, 2007, 7:56 p.m. CST

    If there is a Spider-Man 4 then just...

    by mrfan

    forget about the love intrest. Make it pure action sprinkled with some kind of plot for Peter Parker. Have the villians be Electro and the Lizard. Have Peter show off his bod once in awhile to make the ladies swoon.

  • April 16, 2007, 7:57 p.m. CST

    Alicia Witt

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    a delicious choice for MJ<P>or<P>Christina Hendricks<P>or<P>Jewel Straite

  • April 16, 2007, 7:58 p.m. CST

    You guys are some cold MOFO's

    by Mr Bonefish

    but I must admit that Dunst lost all that sexual magic after the credits rolled on Interview with a Vampire. Those Jeweled teeth of hers are just begging to get pulled...I would gladly supply the pliers.

  • April 16, 2007, 8:05 p.m. CST

    electro?

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    please...of all of the villains left, you'd pick electro? why? so we can see some CG electricity beams? im sorry bit to me that seems BOOOORRRRIIINNNGGG! hell if they dont fuck up Venom, give us Carnage...fuck id take the Rhino over fucking Electro, and i dont even like him. i like the idea of Kraven and the Lizard in the same movie. how about one of the classic combos and bring on a Spidey/Daredevil/Punisher crossover? reboot the other failed franchises in one slick move.

  • April 16, 2007, 8:11 p.m. CST

    i can't really see jewel straite as mj...

    by maluquiro

    amy adams? no? the girl from that seventies show would be good too.

  • April 16, 2007, 8:12 p.m. CST

    This is fucking hilarious

    by DildoBaggins

    Talkbackers: Dunst is such a stupid bitch! Who does she think she is? She... <Dunst enters the room> Talkbackers: Guh guh guh guh... Ms. Dunst, will you sign my MJ lunchbox?

  • April 16, 2007, 8:14 p.m. CST

    That didn't work

    by DildoBaggins

    the bit about Dunst entering the room disappeared from the middle of that. Go figure. Edit feature?

  • April 16, 2007, 8:14 p.m. CST

    stop the dunst hate

    by maluquiro

    you guys all jerked off to that scene from spiderman one where she kisses spiderman upside down in the rain...

  • April 16, 2007, 8:18 p.m. CST

    Spidey 4 = flames on the Black Pearl

    by performingmonkey

    What would be the point in Raimi returning for the fourth? It ain't happening. He's spent enough of his life on the series. Sure, let others continue and rape the series, the fourth will bomb then there'll be direct-to-the-shitter or a series or something whilst Raimi gets on with something worthwhile. It's interesting that he comes out and says he WOULD like to do The Hobbit. However, he won't do it if Peter Jackson still hopes to direct, which he probably does but not under New Line. Once the rights leave New Line Peter will be able to get stuck into the two movies he's gonna do. If New Line handed it to anybody else now, even Raimi, it wouldn't work out right.

  • April 16, 2007, 8:19 p.m. CST

    the_shogun_gunslinger

    by maluquiro

    electro would be good as a henchman, but not the main baddie. just don't use his original costume, go with the ultimate version.

  • April 16, 2007, 8:21 p.m. CST

    no mj, no money

    by jingle_balls

    well thats exactly why i was so super psyched to see spiderman on screen. to watch the will- they/wont-they aspect of peter parker and mary-jane *yawns*. i would be interested to see which villain would be next in spiderman 4. lets go electro! i wonder how gandalf will respond if raimi comes on board for the hobbit. i know he was a big fan of peter jacksons' work on LOTR. although, he did have to listen to ratner. so chances are he will be coolio.

  • April 16, 2007, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Vulture and Silver Sable

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Ben Kingsley and Scarlett Johanson<P>(sp?)<P>Whatever. Brilliant casting guys. I always loved Silver Sable. Badass chick.

  • April 16, 2007, 8:26 p.m. CST

    sam raimi would make a great the hobbit

    by SylarTheCylon

    but i'd prefer him to stay on the spiderman franchise. We can complain all we want about casting, choice of villains, dull spidey, mary smeagol jane, crap cgi etc. But i'm sure we can all agree on that things could have turned out much, much worse than what we have seen until now. At least we didn't get a Tim Burton's gothic spidey angst crapfest, or schumacher's latex disco spidey with neon up his ass. I'm actually surprised we have got these wonderful two movies to begin with! Dunst, is seriously wrong with that statement, though. She is ,above all, replaceable.

  • April 16, 2007, 8:27 p.m. CST

    Jewel Strate

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Yeah, she wouldn't work. I just think she's hot. <P>I would love to see Lizard and Kraven in the next one. I actually really thought they were going to do more with Conners in 2 leading up to Lizard in 3. Oh well.<P>I too love the team up idea. Crossover or whatever. It could work well and could be done right.

  • April 16, 2007, 8:28 p.m. CST

    Wanted new Mary Jane

    by gthmbt

    Dunst feel free to leave anytime you want, you are so useless.....

  • April 16, 2007, 8:28 p.m. CST

    End it at 3 for the love of......

    by Logan_1973

    ...SPIDEY ! Haven't they learned their lesson from the original Batman franchise ? Try to suck it out sequel after sequel with a different actor every time playing the hero...and you get absolute crap. If Tobey, Sam and Dunst want out, then end it all right there and let the franchise RIP with some dignity.

  • April 16, 2007, 8:30 p.m. CST

    IAN MCSHANE FOR KRAVEN

    by Jabba the Slut

    that is all

  • April 16, 2007, 8:31 p.m. CST

    hobbit and spidey

    by lotusblade

    First the best villain would be Doctor Doom, and they could do Doom right as a big fuck you to FOX. AS for the Hobbit, Sam is the only choice. Peter Jackson should be kept as far away as possible. Well maybe Guermo Del Toro... someone that would be faithful to the book vs a White Council scene, etc.

  • April 16, 2007, 8:31 p.m. CST

    KIRSTEN DUNST IS A FUCKING IDIOT if she thinks that

    by wolvenom

    To quote her, "And audiences aren’t stupid. It’d be a big flop without me, Tobey, or Sam. That would really not be the smartest move."... TO THINK THAT IF SHE LEFT THAT NO ONE WOULD GO SEE SPIDER-MAN 4 HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA YOU FUCKING DUMB BITCH! IF YOU LEFT A BILLION MORE PEOPLE WOULD GO SEE SPIDER-MAN 4. As for Toby and Raimi... As long as the director isn't bay, anderson, or boll I'm pretty sure we'll all still go see fucking spider-man 4. Its like directing wiping your ass. There's not a whole lot of process involved with directing what is a surefire fucking success and money maker. You take the toilet paper, wipe your ass, and flush. As for not having Tobey who gives a shit. We need a younger more smart talking spiderman anyway.... not to say i dont like tobey as spiderman but im not adverse to a new one. SO SHUT YOUR FUCKING TRAP KIRSTEN DOUCHEBAG UNLESS YOU KNOW WHAT YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT YOU SNAGGLE TOOTHED SHE WITCH.

  • April 16, 2007, 8:32 p.m. CST

    Me did drawing of Spider-Man

    by Mr Squirrel

    And also Thing and a bunch of half or completely naked chicks. I am currently exhibiting my art in Kentish Town if any London TBers want to visit. www.danavenell.com if you feel like it. Fuck The Hobbit

  • April 16, 2007, 8:39 p.m. CST

    maluquiro

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    i just have no interest in seeing the character, period. he always felt like a throw-away to me. think theyd approve a crossover flick if we did an online petition...i mean, those work....right?

  • April 16, 2007, 8:41 p.m. CST

    and to those who keep saying

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    that the chick from That 70's Show would make a good MJ...have yopu not noticed that she is a amazonian warrior and not a supermodel? she would crush poor peter's pelvic bone to dust.

  • April 16, 2007, 8:41 p.m. CST

    Clear house.

    by proper

    For me,the only actor they should keep is JJ Jameson http://tinyurl.com/2s3kbc ,the rest can go.Looking forward to Part 3,cheer up this time Spidey.

  • April 16, 2007, 8:41 p.m. CST

    NEWSFLASH! AICN TALKBACKERS BASH WOMAN!

    by Prespez

    AND yes...it's because they're scared of them. Was the quote a little goofy? yes. is she the backbone to the success of the series? nope. Is that what she meant? of course not. Are you virgins ever going to let it go? not likely. Will you be there on may 4th to see it? yeah. will you be here that night bitching about it? yep.

  • April 16, 2007, 8:42 p.m. CST

    RAIMI FOR THE HOBBIT!! I DIG IT!!!

    by wolvenom

    After I heard some of Jackson's original ideas on directing the hobbit I had fantasies about fucking shooting him with a nailgun. He wants big massive cgi armies and 3 hour fight scenes with the battle of five armies and he wants to go into a whole prequal sauron and sauruman shit even more. THIS IS A KID'S BOOK YOU FUCKING RETARD JACKSON. ITS MEANT FOR KIDS! YOU WANT TO FUCKING ADULT IT UP LIKE LOTR THEN YOUR MAKING A BIG FUCKING MISTAKE! YOU TAKE AWAY THE FUCKING MAGIC AND APPEAL OF THE HOBBIT WHEN YOU TRY TO MAKE IT LIKE LORD OF THE RINGS YOU BIG FUCKING DOUCHE! I HOPE TO GOD RAIMI DIRECTS THE HOBBIT! ATLEAST WE CAN GET A FUN KIDS MOVIE THAT RESPECTS THE MATERIAL BUT DOESN'T TREAT IT OVERLY SERIOUS AND DARK NOR TREATS IT OVERLY CHILIDISH EITHER. JACKSON WANTS TO MAKE THE HOBBIT LIKE THE LORD OF THE RINGS AND THATS JUST FUCKING RIDICULOUS.

  • April 16, 2007, 8:44 p.m. CST

    Snaggletooth Dunst for Gollum

    by NHRonin

    This picture says it all. Cast her now Sam! http://justjared.buzznet.com/2007/04/16/kirsten-dunst-snaggletooth/

  • April 16, 2007, 8:44 p.m. CST

    INCASE EVERYONE FORGOT JRR WROTE LOTR AND HOBBIT

    by wolvenom

    NOT FUCKING PETER JACKSON! SO STOP SAYING EITHER IT GOES TO PETER JACKSON OR NOBODY! PETER JACKSON TOOK SOMEONE ELSES IDEA GOT LUCKY AND PUT IT ON SCREEN. WHY CANT RAIMI DO THAT? He's just as talented a director.

  • April 16, 2007, 8:47 p.m. CST

    When given a choice to do two different films

    by INWOsuxRED

    a director may only do one, ever. If Sam does The Hobit, he could never ever do another Spider-Man film again. Its in the fucking constitution! Or maybe he could do one, and then the other.</br></br>Spider-Man is bigger than any human working on it. In 150 years, they will probably be making Spidey movies or live action downloads, or whatever, and all the people in the current version will be dead. They won't stop making Spider-Man because Topher Maguire dies. Nobody is "needed", least of all ONE OF Peter Parker's many love options. Lets see, Dunst, just in this continuity there is Betty Brant who is cooler than you, the skinny girl that lives in Peter's appartment complex who is much nicer and easier to sypmathiZe with than you, and GWEN STACEY(who wasn't killed by the Green Goblin!) Obviously the Black Cat is another route they could take. Or they could recast M.J., with an actress who actually gets the character right. Or they could just do an action movie where the movie is driven by action oriented conflict rather than driven by Peter trying to date Mary Jane. Maybe Spidey says "I should get back home to M.J" at some point, but the action is so intense that he can't get home to see her. Or she could be away for the week trying to be an actress in Hollywood. Dunst, they could write out your character and nobody would notice, and everybody knows it except for you.

  • April 16, 2007, 8:47 p.m. CST

    NHRonin

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! oh man that pic gave me such a hard on

  • April 16, 2007, 8:47 p.m. CST

    not kirsten dunst for gollum! SHE IS GOLLUM!

    by wolvenom

    We need to corner, capture, safely house for filming, then release back into the wild.

  • April 16, 2007, 8:48 p.m. CST

    She-Ra's first season needed to be split into 2 volumes

    by INWOsuxRED

    Seriously, WTF.

  • April 16, 2007, 8:52 p.m. CST

    petition

    by maluquiro

    yes, it's worked so well in the past. get on it! aren't we misinterpreting dunst here? i mean, it's bad grammer but she has a point that it would be hard for the franchise to continue without the two leads and the director. i don't think she meant that she was the most important thing in the movie. and yeah, i think they could still make a good spiderman movie with a new team.

  • April 16, 2007, 8:53 p.m. CST

    is it a coincidence

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    that as we are talking about this, theyre avertising a bust of Mary Jane in the right hand corner? whos gonna buy that? maybe the 4 girls that read comics. other than that, i suspect the rest will join old E.T. cartiges and Virtual-Boys in the desert landfill

  • April 16, 2007, 8:54 p.m. CST

    How seriously...

    by jimmy rabbitte

    ...can you actually consider comments in a talkback where people who've only ever dated their own left hand are lining up to slag off K.D.; while at the same time they can't even remember who "those two from Titanic" were... so what if the movie was a total bore, they are fairly well known actors.

  • April 16, 2007, 8:54 p.m. CST

    Gordon-Leavitt as Spidey isn't a bad idea.

    by Orbots Commander

    A few years ago, Jake Gylenhall would have been good, but he may be getting a bit long for the tooth for the role ---that is, if the studio wants to keep Parker and MJ as young high school or college students. You could tell stories of an older Spider-Man where then Gylenhall or Maguire would be appropriate. Honestly, I don't see Raimi sticking around for a fourth film. I'm assuming a guy of his talents is chomping at the bit to do other things. Let's just hope that Sony is smart enough to hire on some other talented director who has a rising stature that isn't Ratner or McG.

  • April 16, 2007, 8:56 p.m. CST

    all the dudes who say that kirsten dunst is ugly

    by maluquiro

    should put up pictures of themselves and of their last girlfriend, if applicable.

  • April 16, 2007, 8:58 p.m. CST

    What a cunt...

    by pdennett316

    What a dopey cunt, just use a cardboard cut out of her with the wet shirt/nipple combo and no-one would give a shit. For the record, without the big 2 Spidey 4 would still do well, but Spidey 5 would be in deep shit.

  • April 16, 2007, 8:58 p.m. CST

    no maluquiro

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    there is no misunderstanding. she specificly said "ME" as in "I, Kirstin Dunst...Queen of the Universe". how important is Sam Raimi to the general filmgoing public? not very...Tobey, maybe cuz he is the character to most people. Dunst however is widely regarded as a weak link and almost everyone i know absolutely despises her in the role, my wife included and she isnt even familiar with the comics past what ive explained to her.

  • April 16, 2007, 9:02 p.m. CST

    jimmy rabbitte

    by maluquiro

    i was joking when i couldn't remember who the couple from titanic. well, i forgot the girls name, but she's a good actress, i liked her in eternal sunshine. the dude is leonardo dicaprio, a great actor. kate winslet! that's her name. um, also, please don't group me with the guys that are 'slagging' kirsten. i'm actually defending her, if you read my posts. and maybe i have dated my right hand on occasion, but not exclusively...

  • April 16, 2007, 9:03 p.m. CST

    Prezpes is right

    by Jabba the Slut

    Even if he is a little douche-y about it

  • April 16, 2007, 9:04 p.m. CST

    Sorry Prespez

    by Jabba the Slut

    Fucked your name up a little...

  • April 16, 2007, 9:06 p.m. CST

    the_shogun_gunslinger

    by maluquiro

    the complete quote is “It’s disrespectful to the whole team, I think, to do that. And audiences aren’t stupid. It’d be a big flop without me, Tobey, or Sam." isn't this just bad grammer? i mean, i don't think she was the best choice for mj, the way she portrays the character is a lot different from the character in the comic. however, she doesn't deserve all the hatin.

  • April 16, 2007, 9:06 p.m. CST

    For all the dudes who say kirsten dunst is hot

    by wolvenom

    You need to fucking get out of your basement and meet some real women. A sad misconception about some people that post here is that they think that everyone else posting here is some kind of pasty pimply infested porn addicted troll living in their parents' dilapidated dark dank basement and that they've never dated a woman let alone given one a good boning. I bet the majority of people who post here are family people, have great jobs, and just go to this site for geek movie news. After all its become a lot more mainstream to be geeky and like things like star wars and lord of the rings. Its not just relegated to the dark corner of the universe where many dorkified milhouses conglomerate and discuss who could beat who in a fight, snake plissken or he-man? Thus, I THINK KIRSTEN DUNST IS A SNAGGLE TOOTH BITCH AND THE DUMBEST ACTRESS ALIVE. I've gotten better pussy on the street corner four blocks from my house.

  • April 16, 2007, 9:11 p.m. CST

    maluquiro

    by jimmy rabbitte

    Damn. That was you? Sorry guy. Apart from the name slip you're the only one in this TB I agree with. <p> As far as the dating of one's digits, all these guys putting her down couldn't get a woman who looks half as good as K.D. does. Sometimes the anonynimity these TB's provide bring the bullsh*t in people.

  • April 16, 2007, 9:12 p.m. CST

    Even if all of the fanboy casting choices were filled..

    by Jabba the Slut

    The talkback trolls would STILL bitch and moan that it would STILL fall short of their pea-brain expectations. Let's see any of you make a goddamn movie that makes over 100 million in its first weekend of release. Poor, pathetic assholes on here think that by bitching about and breaking down every fucking miniscule detail of every fucking project, person, etc. makes them movie gods or, worse yet, a fucking expert on the matter. These eletist pricks used to be the fat kids in school that stole everyone's lunches and stared longingly through the chain link fences while the cool kids chased pussy and played dodgeball...

  • April 16, 2007, 9:13 p.m. CST

    wolvenom

    by maluquiro

    so, why do you need to call her a snaggle tooth bitch? he-man would totally win.

  • April 16, 2007, 9:14 p.m. CST

    The only thing that was good about her...

    by RobMota

    was the nipple shot in the first movie. Other than that if you get a good director like Bryan Singer and some good actors it will do just fine.

  • April 16, 2007, 9:14 p.m. CST

    re: wolvenom

    by jimmy rabbitte

    I vote for Plissken. He'd kick He-Man's ass. <p> I gotta go ahead and disagree though, I think K.D. has a certain appeal. She may not be supermodel hot but she's alright.

  • April 16, 2007, 9:19 p.m. CST

    jimmy rabbitte

    by maluquiro

    it's cool dude. sometimes it gets ridiculous. reading some is these posts is funny at first, but it gets kinda sad after a while. "i've boned bitches way hotter than this bitch, etc." c'mon dude, if there's 'better pussy' down the street, what are you doing here whining about movies?

  • April 16, 2007, 9:19 p.m. CST

    ok im watching SM2 right now

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    and MJ just appeared onscreen...she looks like she slept under a bridge. THIS IS NOT THE MARY JANE WE GREW UP WITH! that is the problem. look Dunst can act to a nominal degree but she just isnt right for the part and never has been. MJ is SUPPOSED to be the geeks wet dream and thats why we rootede for Peter to get her. he was living the dream for all of us...he isnt supposed to chase after a chick who would give a handjob in an alley for 5 bucks

  • April 16, 2007, 9:20 p.m. CST

    jimmy rabbitte

    by maluquiro

    i thought you had my back on the whole he-man vs. snake thing. it's he-man, doesn't he have powers or something?

  • April 16, 2007, 9:22 p.m. CST

    maluquiro

    by jimmy rabbitte

    What are they doing here? They're spending an intimate evening with their left and/or right hands, whilst dreaming of the one (read: several) that got away.

  • April 16, 2007, 9:24 p.m. CST

    i think her appeal is that she's kinda sweet and goofy

    by maluquiro

    but still attractive. the girl next door type thing. the mj of the comics was often drawn sort of unrealistically. jrjr draws her well, and of course, his dad did also, but the todd mcfarlane mj was just too much. i think that the movie mj fits in with the universe that raimi created. not that i wouldn't mind the more feisty personality from the comics.

  • April 16, 2007, 9:26 p.m. CST

    to get away that means that there had to be some

    by maluquiro

    sort of pursuit to begin with, and we know that never happened.

  • April 16, 2007, 9:28 p.m. CST

    SAM RAIMI AND PETER JACKSON TO SHOOT GRINDHOUSE PT. 2

    by Pound Sand

    AICN to break both knees promoting it.

  • April 16, 2007, 9:33 p.m. CST

    Who fucking cares?

    by Jabba the Slut

    Honestly, each and every one of you would fuck Dunst six ways from Sunday, provided the opportunity. So, quit bashing her looks. Hell, you would prolly eat the dog shit off of her shoe if asked. Then again, if it doesn't have an air nozzle, a fanboy monkeyfucker wouldn't know what to do with it....

  • April 16, 2007, 9:34 p.m. CST

    re: feisty

    by IJUSTLIKEMOVIES

    I agree that a more assertive MJ would have been a better choice. Damsel in distress MJ isn't much of a character, and fuels the troll talkbackers' misogynistic tendencies.

  • April 16, 2007, 9:35 p.m. CST

    The Matt Tolmach quote

    by magnetoelectric

    is much funnier than what Dunst said.Translation"Were making four and I know full well itl be without Raimi,and we dont give a shit.Gotta milk this cow!"Poor Kirsten,someones not being honest with you."We would never hunny,that would be disrespectful to you all and the fans!"Its really stunning,saying-"Were making four"before three even comes out,or you know the people responsible for the previous success are even onboard

  • April 16, 2007, 9:38 p.m. CST

    Let it die already!!!

    by RobMota

    We all agree: 1. she is cute but not all that 2. Good actor but can be replaced 3. He Man would win 4. Geeks wack off to a snaggle tooth ho 5. Spiderman 4 can still be good.

  • April 16, 2007, 9:40 p.m. CST

    DIE MOTHERFUCKER DIE

    by Jabba the Slut

    that is all

  • April 16, 2007, 9:41 p.m. CST

    RobMota

    by maluquiro

    amen, hermano. but don't let it die, this talkback is awesome. i need to go outside... sunlight...

  • April 16, 2007, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Jabba the Slut

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    what makes u think that everyone here would fuck her? i think she looks like a troll. thats my opinion. why are you so upset that some of the guys here dont find her attractive? do you think she's going to read ur posts, send a limo to pick u up and wisk you away to hollywood just so she can give you a thank you fuck for defending her?

  • April 16, 2007, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Kirsten Dunst is a fuggo

    by wolvenom

    If you think otherwise then you've obviously had your dick in some pretty shallow waters. And yes I and everyone else here would fuck her given the chance but for different reasons. I'd fuck the queen of england if given the chance just for the notoriety I would get having fucked the queen of england. Same goes for Kirsten fuggo, I'd fuck her just to say i fucked the nastiest snaggly toothed fuggo in hollywood. I could brag to my friends that it was like sticking my dick in hollywood's ickiest moldy grilled cheese sandwich. And I could brag about caressing her pasty freckly skin and getting blowjobs that feel like someone rubbing a cheese grater over my member.

  • April 16, 2007, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Shit i wished did

    by RobMota

    then i could fuck her and say sat "who's your daddy you snaggle tooth bitch!!!!" LOL

  • April 16, 2007, 9:45 p.m. CST

    the_shogun_gunslinger

    by maluquiro

    yes, that's exactly why we're calling out the misogyny. for a thank you fuck. the problem isn't that some people don't find her attractive, i think it's the whole 'dumb snaggle tooth bitch' thing.

  • April 16, 2007, 9:49 p.m. CST

    Nothing wrong with a snaggle tooth ho

    by RobMota

    The world needs them. Its part of the circle of life.

  • April 16, 2007, 9:49 p.m. CST

    Kirsten's right...Skinny, spaced-out actresses are rare

    by SpyGuy

    Out of the three, Sam Raimi is the most irreplaceable. Then Tobey Maguire (Wait...There's Jake Gyllenhall, right?) and then there's Kirsten Dunst. It sounds like we were going to lose Tobey anyway, so if Sam ends up on THE HOBBIT, I'm afraid we'll just have to settle for one of the 1,347,945 other actresses currently working in Hollywood that could fill the role of MJ. Thanks for the memories, Kirsty.

  • April 16, 2007, 9:53 p.m. CST

    Kirsten Dunst, dumb as a rock

    by Sledge Hammer

    Seriously, every damn interview or comment I read from her makes her seem only a short step up from 'special'. Add to that, she's not a very good actress either when it comes right down to it, she's just had the benefit of being well cast in a couple of things that suit her very limited range and tied in to her own personality. I really was hoping they'd kill heroff in Spidey 3...damn it.

  • April 16, 2007, 9:53 p.m. CST

    I think...

    by RobMota

    A red headed Katherine Heigl would be great as MJ. She way hotter than Snaggle tooth and seems to be much more of a spunkier actress.

  • April 16, 2007, 9:53 p.m. CST

    NOBODY BUT JACKSON CAN MAKE THIS

    by hatespeech

    NOBODY ELSE. EVAR!

  • April 16, 2007, 9:57 p.m. CST

    re: misogyny

    by IJUSTLIKEMOVIES

    The fact that Dunst is being judged on whether or not the trolls in here would fuck her is the fucking point.

  • April 16, 2007, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Katherine Heigl

    by maluquiro

    would make a good black cat also. i'm all about bringing in a new female character to add that much needed dose of spunk. maybe that's what gwen stacy will do. i still don't get the dunst hate though, honestly.

  • April 16, 2007, 10:04 p.m. CST

    Katherine Heigl

    by RobMota

    would make a good anything. She is fucking hot and has the tits to back it up. Thats just what i think. I could be wrong.

  • April 16, 2007, 10:04 p.m. CST

    also

    by maluquiro

    i'm officially taking back the 'amen, hermano' that i gave to RobMota... unless he's being sarcastic or something. i'm sure he's really bummed about that.

  • April 16, 2007, 10:06 p.m. CST

    yes, tits are essential...

    by maluquiro

    no deal without the tits. they have to be really big and stuff. i'm not gay.

  • April 16, 2007, 10:11 p.m. CST

    Dont take back the amen dude!!

    by RobMota

    I am just saying that they help!!!

  • April 16, 2007, 10:13 p.m. CST

    where's the snaggle

    by THE KNIGHT

    pass the rum!

  • April 16, 2007, 10:14 p.m. CST

    enough with the misreading things, dummies

    by BizarroJerry

    I've heard Dunst talk about basically the same thing before. Her point was not that she was essential, but that that mixing up the current team wouldn't work. In other words, replacing one actor and not the other would be strange. Maguire working with another MJ or her working with another Peter, etc. Stop jumping on the Dunst-hating bandwagon. And stop perpetuating that changed, inaccurate "a flop without me" quote. How about we just consider it a nice thing to have someone in Hollywood talk about who they're working with as a "team"? I'm getting so sick of the geek need to hate everything. Just keep playing into the Simpsons' comic book guy stereotype, dumbasses.

  • April 16, 2007, 10:19 p.m. CST

    BizarroJerry

    by maluquiro

    yeah that's what i was saying. you said it better.

  • April 16, 2007, 10:19 p.m. CST

    sigh

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    anytime TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION makes an appearance, i smile :)

  • April 16, 2007, 10:21 p.m. CST

    RobMota

    by maluquiro

    unless you apologize to ms. dunst you do not deserve the 'amen'. just kidding dude. i'm more of a butt guy myself.

  • April 16, 2007, 10:23 p.m. CST

    this is just too funny

    by RobMota

    I just think that with the right director and the right people it can still turn out to be a great film. Or it can be a disaster like X-Men 3. either way it would be fun to see what happens.

  • April 16, 2007, 10:26 p.m. CST

    Hahah. The audience wants MJ to bite it.

    by superninja

    Dunst is funny. Raimi stay away from The Hobbit! Charming and subtle you are not.

  • April 16, 2007, 10:26 p.m. CST

    I like em both

    by RobMota

    but when they are on top they are nice to look at and play with. And from behind they are nice to hold on to. lol

  • April 16, 2007, 10:30 p.m. CST

    "...It’d be a big flop without me, Tobey, or Sam...."

    by Freefinger

    Ok.. First, Dunst needs to figure out that the one bad choice in casting for the roles in the Spiderman Franchises is her. <P>Tobey was one of the good fits for Parker and Spidey, I'll give 'em that, then Franco for Osborne, I don't think they could of chose a better actor, Same for Molina as Doc Oc, and Dafoe for Goblin (should've kicked the Goblin suit right off the set but the actor choice was good). Heck Harris is great has aunt May, and Haden Church and Topher Grace will need to pull their respective roles in the next chapter, but I can see why they were cast.<P>Dunst is the one choice I’m looking at and saying to myself “This ain’t no girl that will turn heads walking down the streets… That ain’t no Mary Jane!”<P>If anyone one of the cast members needs to sit the next couple of films out, it’s her.<P>Sony can replace anyone anyways and make a profit of the next movie. Like a lot of people said, Jake G could be a good choice, or I’m even thinking that if they go for a little more bulk and an older 30ish look to Peter, Jamie Bamber from Battlestar Galactica has that look that could make Peter a little older than the College years. They could move forward a couple of years on the character with this guy. But that’s just a personal thought on the Peter Parker Subjects.<P>Dunst, hell about any 6 out of 10 stars redhead actress could fill in and make the character more attractive that those weird teeth and that crocked eye of hers that just screams out when your sitting there trying to watch the damn movie.<P>Raimi did thing to the characters that a lot of people didn’t like, the organic web just to mention one. But he still did a decent job in some of the character’s traits. Yet he too could easily be replaced by another director, Sony has a bunch of them on stand-by for a franchise like this. Who would’nt want to go for a billion dollar franchise that can’t go wrong, unless you change the color of the costume, take away the spidey emblems on his back, make him disappear for 7 years and then make him a voyeur spying on his ex-girlfriend that had a kid with him that she just loves to put in the middle of dangerous situations and a bunch of shitty things like that. No, they’ll leave that for other franchises. I think Stan Lee’s approval of the Raimi changes was a good choice. They didn’t go way off, so anyone coming in this project doesn’t need to re-invent the wheel to make the franchise good. They just need to continue what is already in play.<P>Hulk is getting a facelift so they don’t need to continue the dramatically incorrect portrayals of the character by making the Hulk a gene defect in Bruce, or his father being the same way or all those little things that just didn’t make it a great movie. They know that it need to be done from the start all over again and I’m guessing they didn’t like that.<P>WB are basically sleeping at the wheel. For a movie that should’ve beaten Spidey’s opening record they barely got their money back, and they still approve of Singer for the next one.. One that I won’t be making the same mistake, I won’t be buying the 10$ ticket this time around.<P>Spidey only needs to move forward. Whether Tobey will be asking way too much money, or that my wishes of Dunst being unable to continue with the series or Raimi jumping aboard the biggest walking franchise in history and not coming to do one more, I’ll be there buying the next 10$ ticket. I’m betting Sony or Marvel will not give this to a Director that could potentially kill it like Joel Schumacher did for the Batman franchise, which was still sorta working even after the whole Penguin story. Schumi just blew it apart, and I’m betting Marvel isn’t about to that to Spidey.

  • April 16, 2007, 10:30 p.m. CST

    wolvenom....

    by slappy jones

    if you think that is all it took to make the LOTR ... if you think it was just "luck" then you are a complete and utter knob who doesn't have much going on in the brain department.

  • April 16, 2007, 10:31 p.m. CST

    I like Dunst in certain pictures like Marie Antoinette.

    by superninja

    She is all wrong for MJ. MJ is tall and gorgeous and acts confident. Dunst never seems confident she seems gamine and insecure, kind of a toughness to her, that is part of her charm as an actor. But that's not MJ, with MJ that is all interior, not readily viewable on the outside.

  • April 16, 2007, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Dunst is very defensive because she keeps getting

    by superninja

    roles where it calls for someone more beautiful. Dunst is average looking, but she is a good actor. She was supposedly cast as Debbie Harry in a Blondie biopic and when the fans went through the roof, she said that Harry approved her for the role so complain to her. Dunst is nowhere near pretty enough to play Debbie Harry in her prime.

  • April 16, 2007, 10:38 p.m. CST

    I think Tobey is boring as Spider-Man, but he kind

    by superninja

    of allows you to plug into him because he's like an avatar or something. Like he reflects the audience's feelings. Except for mine, I kept hoping he would drop MJ in 1 and I was really made a Doc Ock in 2 when he didn't drop her, either.

  • April 16, 2007, 10:41 p.m. CST

    maluquiro

    by jimmy rabbitte

    Re: He-Man vs. Snake, I figure the "real" guy beats the cartoon guy.

  • April 16, 2007, 10:45 p.m. CST

    I'd rather see Raimi take on something new

    by NoHubris

    He should throw his weight behind some genre transforming, great idea or script which would not see the light of day if he did not back it.

  • April 16, 2007, 10:45 p.m. CST

    jimmy rabbitte

    by maluquiro

    haha i guess we'll agree to disagree on this one...

  • April 16, 2007, 10:46 p.m. CST

    I'm ready for Jackson to leave Tolkien alone.

    by superninja

    LOTR is adequate. There are some miscasting issues, and he went too far with the effects when it should've been more personal in the way it was shot. The Hobbit is even MORE personal, intimate and needs atmosphere (which LOTR lacked in my opinion). Give The Hobbit to Cuaron already!

  • April 16, 2007, 10:49 p.m. CST

    Raimi would've been dead-perfect for Transformers,

    by superninja

    though. That is right where he works best.

  • April 16, 2007, 10:50 p.m. CST

    maluquiro

    by jimmy rabbitte

    Yeah, just think of all the hot chicks down our respective streets we're missing out on while going through the He-Man vs. Plissken debate... and they're all *way* hotter than Kirsten Dunst.

  • April 16, 2007, 10:51 p.m. CST

    cuaron would do a good hobbit

    by maluquiro

    little princesses. i liked the lotr movies, but i never read the books. the hobbit, however, was a childhood favorite of mine.

  • April 16, 2007, 10:54 p.m. CST

    The Hobbit is my favorite.

    by superninja

    I really don't care for LOTR. :)

  • April 16, 2007, 10:58 p.m. CST

    seriously dude

    by maluquiro

    i can't walk down the street without big tittied pussy throwing itself at me, and none of them have snaggle teeth either. but i'd rather complain about how ugly some actress is.

  • April 16, 2007, 10:58 p.m. CST

    Agreed. Raimi would been great for Transformers

    by NoHubris

    That's what I'm talking about. If not an original project, he should take on something like that.

  • April 16, 2007, 10:59 p.m. CST

    meant to say "...would have been great..."

    by NoHubris

  • April 16, 2007, 11:08 p.m. CST

    Rami is the worst...don't kill Hobbit!

    by userrating

    Not only is he the absolute worst choice for "The Hobbit," the guy can't even make a decent movie anymore. I mean really; Spider-Man? The first film is a shining example of Hollywood B.S. filmmaking... Seriously, filmmaking at it's worst. Horrible predictable story, abhorrent effects, terrible acting...it's all there. Don't give me that stupid "comic book" angle; that's an excuse for campy, shitty work. I can't believe the popularity of this...has the whole world gone insane? And now "The Hobbit?" In a word: boycott.

  • April 16, 2007, 11:10 p.m. CST

    Easily replaced

    by CreatureCantina

    Just about anybody could come in and replace Dunst. I never felt she was right for the role. But how many would look as good in a sopping wet, clingy, see-through top? Think Rami will play that trick one more time in Spidey 3? Toby can't be replaced. But he's really the only one. Scarlett Johansson as Black Cat. I don't think I'm going to sleep a wink tonight...

  • April 16, 2007, 11:11 p.m. CST

    There are spiders in the Hobbit.

    by Hardboiled Wonderland

    There are spiders in The Hobbit. Big spiders. In Mirkwood. Raimi could seriously film a cross-over. Kirsten Dunst would make a great Gollum, or the film will flop without her.

  • April 16, 2007, 11:17 p.m. CST

    Someone is looking to get banned by

    by superninja

    multiple postings.

  • April 16, 2007, 11:19 p.m. CST

    Hey to those masterbating to Kirsten Dunst's snagglness

    by wolvenom

    Sideshow's selling a 12 inch Princess Leia collectible top right corner.. buy that and go make out with it if your so desperate for some creepy sweaty pawing action.

  • April 16, 2007, 11:20 p.m. CST

    There and Bruce Again

    by ArcadianDS

    If you put it on, he knows it. If you want it, you cant have it. If you need it, you'll stop at nothing to take it. If you destroy it, you only want it more. And if it only fits your index finger, you'll probably lose it.

  • April 16, 2007, 11:20 p.m. CST

    vtboyarc

    by magnetoelectric

    Your father should have pulled out

  • April 16, 2007, 11:21 p.m. CST

    I'm sure kirsten dunst has a sideshow bust for you

    by wolvenom

    desperate kirsten snaggle lovers too.

  • April 16, 2007, 11:24 p.m. CST

    Raimi would be a massive dickhead to take The Hobbit

    by IndustryKiller!

    Considering that its common knowledge that in like a year the right revert from New Line to a company that has said publicly it would hire Peter Jackson. jackson made this franchise through blood sweat and tears and Raimi taking it would be equivalent to stealing someone elses art. I could see a nobody director that wants to make a name for himself taking the project but not someone clearly well established with enough clout and good will to make just about anything they want like Raimi. C'mon Sam, do the right thing and let the right go back to Jackson, who deserves to make this film on his own terms.

  • April 16, 2007, 11:27 p.m. CST

    I may have been a bit "douche-y..."

    by Prespez

    But i get sick of the fuckers on these TBs that act like being woman hating losers is acceptable. The internet has given socially-retarded-geeks too much bravery since they don't have to answer for their stupid misogynistic remarks.

  • April 16, 2007, 11:32 p.m. CST

    okay

    by maluquiro

    enough jokes about kirsten dunst being gollum, okay? we get it.

  • April 16, 2007, 11:35 p.m. CST

    I might not be the first to say this but . . .

    by CBWolf

    Kirsten Dunst is the worst thing about the Spider-Man movies. I was desperately hoping the rumors about Mary Jane being written out in favor of Gwen Stacey were true. While we're at it, Tobey McGuire doesn't bring that much to the table. The franchise would definitely be hurt if they lost him (unlike if the lost *gasp* Kirsten Dunst!), but I personally wouldn't care much.

  • April 16, 2007, 11:35 p.m. CST

    You want to hear something funny? I think Adriana Lima

    by superninja

    is pretty, but she also kinda looks like if Clint Howard was a hot chick.

  • April 16, 2007, 11:41 p.m. CST

    Spidey 4 will work just fine...

    by ckone

    I would imagine that they won't be bringing everyone back...In fact I would think the only one to come back would be Harry.. all the rest would be recast...As long as they get the casting right, and move on with a new direction, nothing needs to be retroed, they just continue on, with a new cast, there's plenty of water in this well as long as they stay away from clones. And it may just be me, but Kirsten Dunst has always looked like Billy Corigan(spelling?) the lead singer from smashing pumpkins...not doin' it for me...I've always been dissapointed with her as MJ...and I think that giant lapses of time in a feature, with two characters just staring at each other does not mean it's chemistry..."just friends peter parker?" ughh..But I can't wait to see 3...

  • April 16, 2007, 11:48 p.m. CST

    It’d be a big flop without me, Tobey, or Sam.

    by i kick tits

    I know other people have mentioned this, I just wanted to highlight the absurity of this statement by quoting it again.

  • April 16, 2007, 11:53 p.m. CST

    Anyone else pissed off that...

    by wolvenom

    we haven't seen spidey fight on the statue of liberty yet? I mean come on how fun would that be? Too bad that still hasn't been explored as an option with him. maybe in spidey 4

  • April 16, 2007, 11:55 p.m. CST

    the 'greatness' of the spiderman movies

    by soup74

    I'm a big comic book fan, and i mildly enjoyed the first two spiderman movies, but i still think they have a way to go. I agree with the comments WAY up on the talk backs about the lack of humor. and is everyone forgetting the horrible 'youse mess with spiderman, youse mess wit all us new yoikers!' line from spiderman 1..ouch was that cringe worthy. then two was an improvement, but the middle of it with emo peter was really unecessary and drawn out. plus the biggest problem i had with the first two (which hopefully it looks like is fixed in the new movie) is that there were no 'bad' guys. just misunderstood people that were driven insane by their inventions.. i mean, what a lame way for doc oct to be defeated. he momentarily 'wakes up' from his insanity and lets himself get beat. venom and new goblin are the same way.. but hopefully sandman with just be a 'bad' bad guy. anyway the point im trying to make is that while i dont think the spiderman movies were horrible, i wouldnt mind seeing someone else take a crack at them. spiderman is a great character.

  • April 17, 2007, midnight CST

    Nope, Sandman's daughter has some fatal disease.

    by superninja

    It's like an addiction Raimi has or something.

  • April 17, 2007, 12:02 a.m. CST

    Spider-Man is supposed to be funny, not morose.

    by superninja

    And in this movie, everything goes great and instead of letting it go great and then bring him down hard, it probably really only goes great for about 20 minutes of the film, which is equivalent to 20 minutes of film in the whole series.

  • April 17, 2007, 12:04 a.m. CST

    Krusty really thinks highly of herself

    by CherryValance

    I'd loved to see a Spider-man movie with a completely different cast. I didn't like the idea of Tobey or Krusty from day one and they've sucked as far as I'm concerned. I'd prefer another director as well. Let him make the Hobbit for New Line. And then when it fails miserably we'll get rid of an idiot company and a fresh start for Spider-man. Then PJ can make a definitive version of the Hobbit later on. It'll be great.

  • April 17, 2007, 12:04 a.m. CST

    Anyone else kind of ready for a lighthearted superhero

    by superninja

    film? Instead of faux "realism" and teen angst 24/7? Like some good 'ol fashioned heroism and nobility with a bad guy that is evil just because and a little witty banter and romance thrown in?

  • April 17, 2007, 12:05 a.m. CST

    wolvenom, how's Spidey getting to the Statue?

    by Bronx Cheer

    He'd have to take a boat or ride on a chopper to get to the lady in the harbor. Are we supposed to watch him take the trip out there? Besides, Remo Williams already did the fight on the Statue, and it was pretty good. I'd rather see him wrap any one of Trump's hideous buildings with webs.

  • April 17, 2007, 12:05 a.m. CST

    superninja

    by soup74

    REALLY? seriously i didnt know.. i mean, damn..just damn, i want to enjoy the spiderman movies, but damn..damn.. i mean hell, bring in carnage, maybe sam raimi can find a way to motivate his serial killing as 'misunderstood' <br> back to what i originally said.. the first spidey movies were decent, but i wouldnt mind a new view of them.

  • April 17, 2007, 12:08 a.m. CST

    my above post..

    by soup74

    my post above was refering to the fact that sandman isnt truely evil..pssh.

  • April 17, 2007, 12:09 a.m. CST

    You could have a Villain kidnap him and bring him there

    by wolvenom

    Its that simple. Which gives an added cool challenge for spiderman to defeat a villain on the island without any buildings to swing to and fro. BRING ON THE STATUE OF LIBERTY!!! Then maybe in spidey 5 he can go to the north pole and save the polar bears from extinction.

  • April 17, 2007, 12:11 a.m. CST

    wolvenom

    by soup74

    thats an awesome idea.. have a supervillian capture a superhero and bring them to the statue of liberty.. man, i hope they use that in a superhero movie sometime!

  • April 17, 2007, 12:11 a.m. CST

    soup74, I figured after I posted already I was

    by superninja

    spoiling it for you, sorry.

  • April 17, 2007, 12:11 a.m. CST

    superninja, it'd be great if they lightened things up

    by Bronx Cheer

    then the movies would be like whooosh! Seriously, I remember two or three wisecracks in both movies. Spidey is supposed to crack wise often. He's got to stop crying so much and get sarcastic. Granted, that might get a little annoying in a film, but then this gives him a character flaw, which should make everyone happy. Ooo, look, Spider-Man is human...oh, he's like Louie DePalma on Taxi...I love to hate him...ohhh! Hell, Singer makes Superman and turns him into a freakin' stalker. That character is the last bastion of rah-rah and instead he's depressed and aloof.

  • April 17, 2007, 12:12 a.m. CST

    its okay superninja

    by soup74

    you didnt spoil it for me.. sam raimi did.

  • April 17, 2007, 12:13 a.m. CST

    Statue of Liberty...

    by jimmy rabbitte

    ...fight was done in X-Men 1. Staging another fight there now woulde be "too soon".

  • April 17, 2007, 12:13 a.m. CST

    Yeah, it's sad you can't go to a Spidey movie

    by superninja

    without needing a pick-me-up afterwards. Downers, and this one is going to be the worst of all.

  • April 17, 2007, 12:14 a.m. CST

    Save the Statue of Liberty for my Human Torch/Spidey

    by superninja

    crossover movie. Where Spidey will be funny and they will both play pranks on the rest of the Marvel U. almost resulting in the destruction of the universe.

  • April 17, 2007, 12:15 a.m. CST

    jimmyrabbitte

    by soup74

    that was the joke.

  • April 17, 2007, 12:16 a.m. CST

    I am going to be pissed if Aunt may doesn't get

    by Bronx Cheer

    an ass-kicking in this film. I mean, she suffers a home invasion by the Gobbler in 1, she gets dragged up a building in 2 by Eight-Legged Man, and in this one...oh, maybe Sandman will spread himself all over her bed and she'll get sand in her crack. That bastard! (And yes, I am ashamed of myself.)

  • April 17, 2007, 12:17 a.m. CST

    It will be titled Human Torch v Spider-Man: Escalation

    by superninja

    Galactus gets a web wedgie and destroys a major US city. Torch has no choice but to dare the Living Tribunal to pull his finger.

  • April 17, 2007, 12:19 a.m. CST

    Spider-Man 4 scene

    by superninja

    "Oh, that's so nice that you and MJ are expecting. But remember when your best friend Harry died to save your life?" Joykiller.

  • April 17, 2007, 12:22 a.m. CST

    in the end when galactus explodes

    by maluquiro

    his burning remnants will fall from the sky and spidey will look at mj and say, 'didn't i promise you fireworks?' then there'll be a big american flag in the background.

  • April 17, 2007, 12:26 a.m. CST

    IMy big dream is that Spider-Man

    by Bronx Cheer

    takes the Staten Island Ferry (because he's broke, and it's a free ride!), and looks at the Statue as the boat goes by. While on the ferry, he discovers a dastardly plot to destroy Lady Liberty. That guy from Kids in the Hall is trying to crush her head! Yes, he will crush it! Spidey shoots a big glob of spider goo that engulfs the fellow's head-crushing fingers, and then you hear cheers from the ferry passengers, and there's one voice that yells out to Spider-Man, "Yo, dats not how we does it here in New York! Lemme show youse how its done." He picks up Head Crusher and throws him a mile and a half through the air directly at the Statue. Head Crusher's body slams into the torch, the arm breaks off, and the impact and instability bring the entire structure down. That's when Alberto Gonzalez shows up to say, "There were mistakes made here." Spidey is sad and falls into the harbor, and the last we see of him, he is enveloped by the murky depths. An American flag flaps in the wind. The End.

  • April 17, 2007, 12:30 a.m. CST

    soup74

    by jimmy rabbitte

    damn, see that what's happens when you've got other stuff to do and you have to go in and out, so... deal me out... Spidey 6, throw in a Death Star trench battle... see I get there eventually.

  • April 17, 2007, 12:30 a.m. CST

    But I like Escalation better.

    by Bronx Cheer

    But can you have Torch Boy turn against Spidey because he stole his dirt bike or something, because I bet The Human Blue Blazer would kick Spider-Man's ass.

  • April 17, 2007, 12:32 a.m. CST

    When Spider-Man has kids, are they Spider babies?

    by Bronx Cheer

    Please refer to Father Dougal McGuire from "Father Ted."

  • April 17, 2007, 12:37 a.m. CST

    Dream cast for Spidey 4

    by Bronx Cheer

    Danny DeVito IS Spider-Man, Amy Sedaris is Mary Jane, James Cromwell is Harry, and Jennifer Jason Leigh is Aunt May. There will no villian, only angst.

  • April 17, 2007, 12:38 a.m. CST

    I don't know if you read comics but there is a very

    by superninja

    funny miniseries written by Dan Slott (last of the fun comic book writers) called "I'm With Stupid". It's a comedy because they are both very cynical smartasses, but Spidey thinks Torch has it all and Torch thinks he has it all, too, but he doesn't. And look right there on the cover! Lady Liberty. <p> http://www.amazon.com/Spider-Man-Human-Torch-Im-Stupid/dp/0785117237/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/002-5667876-5849601?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1176788244&sr=8-1

  • April 17, 2007, 12:44 a.m. CST

    Superninja, that was sweet. I might have to start

    by Bronx Cheer

    reading comics again. I have to crash. Goodnight all. But before I go...can you imagine with me...Danny DeVito in the costume, swinging along, wisecracks flying a mile a minute...it's beautiful.

  • April 17, 2007, 12:53 a.m. CST

    jimmyrabbitte

    by soup74

    it's okay, but next talkback i want your full attention! heh.

  • April 17, 2007, 12:55 a.m. CST

    man im a post whore tonight

    by soup74

    and whats with raimi's fear of putting a 'bad' guy in his movies.. i mean other then obvious demons in evil dead hes shown he can make a bad character in quick and the dead. gene hackmans character is a bad, bad fella.

  • April 17, 2007, 1:10 a.m. CST

    What a bunch of sad twats

    by NachoNegro

    She is saying that it shouldn't be made without the same team. She's not saying she's the star of the franchise. Don't be a tool. And as for her being a 'snaggle toothed ho', are you serious? You would all pay a years salary just to lick Dunst's buttcrack and you know it.

  • April 17, 2007, 1:23 a.m. CST

    In defence

    by BenBraddock

    When she said "...It’d be a big flop without me, Tobey, or Sam...." she meant "us", the ensemble. Not that hard to understand. And let let's face it, none of you fanboys would say no to some KD, not *really*..

  • April 17, 2007, 1:24 a.m. CST

    Spiderman 4: The Rocket Racer Cometh!

    by Green Arrow

    .

  • April 17, 2007, 1:55 a.m. CST

    Hire Jake and Maggie Gyllenhall as Peter and MJ

    by My Ass Smells

    BRING ON THE MAKE OUT SCENES!!!!!

  • April 17, 2007, 2:26 a.m. CST

    Fuck Spider-Man 4 and fuck The Hobbit!

    by My Ass Smells

    What Sam Raimi really needs to give us is EVIL DEAD 4!!!!

  • April 17, 2007, 3:16 a.m. CST

    Leave it to PJ

    by Steve Rogers

    Simple as that really. And leave Spidey to Raimi. Not that I expect him or the cast to come back unless Sony shell out major moolah.

  • April 17, 2007, 3:19 a.m. CST

    imho a great choice

    by Jesusquatch

    to play a more experienced, older Spiderman would be Ben Browder.

  • April 17, 2007, 3:42 a.m. CST

    Evil Dead 4....yeah!

    by Jugs

    bring it on

  • April 17, 2007, 4:18 a.m. CST

    "Spidezman woold bee flopp witoot mez, tooby and sum!"

    by bender7

    Retard

  • April 17, 2007, 4:19 a.m. CST

    Ladies like KD

    by Reelheed

    I asked them (all) and they said she was cute without being threatening. Replace her with some albalike and your demographics will go to shit. Spidey might be getting a little tired now theres no secondary arc (harry) left. Whats left to do other than intro a new villain each time then kill em off?

  • April 17, 2007, 4:29 a.m. CST

    Dam Saimi

    by Reelheed

    heh

  • April 17, 2007, 5:25 a.m. CST

    I'd still prefer Jackson...

    by morGoth

    ...but I'd also be excited over Raimi to direct 'The Hobbit'. Hell, just get it done!

  • April 17, 2007, 5:29 a.m. CST

    sanjaya for spiderman

    by Mr_X

    or hugo from lost, it could be like a ultimates version. think about it kids

  • April 17, 2007, 5:35 a.m. CST

    archana? who the farks that

    by Mr_X

    c'mon, sinister six, you have a wealth of villians. not a huge fan of the black cat...

  • April 17, 2007, 5:44 a.m. CST

    You know, if we're going to have an AMERICAN Gandalf

    by Sepulchrave

    I think James Cromwell would be spectacular; that long face, tall thin frame, close-set piercing eyes and narrow crooked nose. Imagine him in a beard with a pipe.

  • April 17, 2007, 5:44 a.m. CST

    raimi would make a better hobbit than jackson

    by misnomer

    you can already tell by the "kid-friendly" comment that he understands the appeal of that particular book more than jackson whose decision to do an extended version tonally closer to LOTR doesnt quite fit with me. Then again, I'd prefer a Raimi SM4....

  • April 17, 2007, 5:55 a.m. CST

    darquelyte

    by misnomer

    I thought EXACTLY the same thing when I was watching sliders. Maybe its because Quinn is basically Peter Parker anyhow....

  • April 17, 2007, 6:01 a.m. CST

    Conceited twat much?

    by DocPazuzu

    Dunst hasn't provided even a remotely watchable performance since Interview With The Vampire in 1994. As soon as she shows up onscreen in the Spidey movies (which I love, by the way) I feel myself dying a little bit inside as her charm and talent vacuum gnaw away at my soul. Seriously, there isn't a more anemic actress I can think of for Mary Jane. And eating her out if offered has nothing to do with her being a talentless bimbo.

  • April 17, 2007, 6:03 a.m. CST

    What a successful HOBBIT needs.

    by Sepulchrave

    An intensely likable Bilbo, much warmer than Wood's Frodo. A scaled down production that is nevertheless based on the immense visual achievement of Weta's LOTR, especially if they can get either John Howe or Alan Lee back to do designs with the understanding that this is a smaller, more intimate film. Gandalf narration; a child's story needs a storyteller with a strong voice. A magnificent Smaug with strongly human characteristics; NOT a beast; a crafty, jealous, vain and murderous person who happens to be a dragon. Good DWARF music and an attitude to dwarf culture that goes beyond the comic Gimli towards something far more dignified and secret. Scary but not horrifying goblins, spiders and a proto-Gollum (maybe just half-seen; two eyes and a voice in the darkness).

  • April 17, 2007, 6:06 a.m. CST

    Actually, BenBraddock...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...if she had said "Me, Tobey AND Sam" you would have had a point. However, she quite clearly said "Me, Tobey OR Sam" which means she considers herself as indispensible as the other two.

  • April 17, 2007, 6:06 a.m. CST

    Oh and yes

    by Sepulchrave

    Kirstin Dunst has the dead eyes and waxy, fixed smile of a mannequin. That's why she made such a good Claudia; she looks like a psychopathic dolly.

  • April 17, 2007, 6:57 a.m. CST

    They've had a good run

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Early reviews are suggesting Sam Raimi and co have hit the trifecta of solidly entertaining blockbuster shenanigans. Time to let it go and concentrate on running this franchise into the ground. It's the Hollywood way, you know.<p>Ashton Kutcher as Spider-Man!<p>Hilary Duff as Mary Jane!!<p>Adam Sandler as Rhino!!!<p>All, of course, directed by those ADD-addled buffoons who made Crank.<p>This is the future of the Spider-Man series. Bring on the Spider-Bike!

  • April 17, 2007, 6:59 a.m. CST

    yeah, that is a pretty outrageous comment by

    by just pillow talk

    Miss Dunst. No one cares if you leave. In fact, I'm sure most fans here would rather have you killed off and replaced by Gwen.<p>I would be curious as to how Sam would do the Hobbit, though I would prefer a Spidey 4 by him instead.

  • April 17, 2007, 7:26 a.m. CST

    It's not the movie stars

    by Darth Fart

    A goood film is a good film no matter who stars in it. If they marketed a good film without a star, I'd be interested if it made money. I fancy Dunst, I'd like to have sex with her, but Spider-man is bigger than the actors.

  • April 17, 2007, 7:50 a.m. CST

    Dunst was supposed to be Gwen Stacey...

    by genro

    But Sony didn't want to do the Death of Gwen. This is why she's so blah as Mary Jane.

  • April 17, 2007, 7:51 a.m. CST

    And Raimi's original Parker....

    by genro

    Was the kid from American Beauty, (Wes Bentley?). He would have been perfect. Probably too old now.

  • April 17, 2007, 8:11 a.m. CST

    Peter Jackson for JLA!

    by UltimaRex

    Sam Raimi for Hobbit (if it ever happens) and James Cameron for SM4. That is all.

  • April 17, 2007, 8:16 a.m. CST

    Can't stand dunst as MJ

    by Lost Prophet

    just wrong. I also hated the domestically abused neighbour to peter thread in the first film. It has been a long time since i have read a comic, but wasn't MJ an uber-hot supermodel type- not a battered woman living next door to Peter in Queens?<p>Superninja is right, can we please have an end to existential angst and sympathetic, conflicted villains who are only evil because of some other force?

  • April 17, 2007, 8:17 a.m. CST

    Dunst

    by Atomic.Lobster

    was badly miscast anyway. Wait a few years, do a new trilogy with a different cast. It'd keep it feeling fresh. Peter would be older, Spidey would have swung round the block a few more times. There are stories left to tell.

  • April 17, 2007, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Interesting Information

    by BilboRing

    If Tobey does not want to do a Spidey 4.....just ink Jake Gyllenhall. He'd be perfect too. Then change MJ for sure. That chick with the red hair from That 70s Show would be great. But finding the right director is the problem. Raimi nailed these movies. I am sure SM3 will be as amazing as 1 and 2. But there are so many more Spidey stories to tell. So many. I could see Raimi doing the Hobbit though. And doing it well. But that is a movie that you need original cast members for. Nobody else can play Gandalf or Gollumn. Nobody. Still, Peter Jackson should be doing the Hobbit and that is that. No questions.

  • April 17, 2007, 8:32 a.m. CST

    Kirsten Dunst is as attractive and has the same acting

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    skill as a stinky flapper. So, FUCK YOU BITCH and your nobody-wont-see-no-spidey-4-without-me-nice snaggle-teeth!!!

  • April 17, 2007, 8:44 a.m. CST

    SO .... Everyone's accepted Jackson is Gone ...

    by Ringwearer9

    .... from the Hobbit ? Excellent.

  • April 17, 2007, 8:49 a.m. CST

    hmm, surprised at the "Toby McGuire" hate

    by misnomer

    maguire IS spider-man in the way that Harrison Ford IS Indy. I really dont think a recast sequel would go down well with the casual audience. Leave it at 3, let Raimi do the Hobbit, then come back with a new trilogy featuring a more seasoned maguire.

  • April 17, 2007, 8:56 a.m. CST

    you Kirsten-denying hounds!

    by DukeDeMondo

    what kind of fuckery is this, as Amy Winehouse might say 'pon hearing tell of this carousel of slander and paganry. Kirsten IS the spider-man flicks. the rest is pleasant subtext. nice to uncover after the third or sixth viewing, but by God it's only after the awe has subsided enough to take it in that a fella has any notion anyone ever slung a solitary web at any point in those pictures. as to the banter about Kirsten having made no decent flicks since the first, I point you towards - Eternal Sunshine, The Virgin Suicides, Bring It On, Drop Dead Gorgeous, Marie Antoinette, Dick! and Kiki's Delivery Service, to which she offered her voice, and asked for nowt in return but a nickname and also some cash. heathens! www.mondoirlando.com

  • April 17, 2007, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Bruce Campbell as Beorn

    by rev_skarekroe

    It could work, I'm telling you.

  • April 17, 2007, 9:10 a.m. CST

    If this overblown ballsucker does not have......

    by IG76

    ....A Cgi'd Roy Schneider as Legolas third cousin then I'm spending the ticket money on the next Hunter tv movie.

  • April 17, 2007, 9:54 a.m. CST

    It's "hand the reins over", not "hand the reigns over"

    by Barron34

    I'm available as a proofreader, if EW is hiring. Also, I don't see a problem giving the Spiderman franchise a bit of a rest and then recasting. I would really love to see Laura Prepon as Mary Jane Watson. She's the spitting image of the bodacious comic book character, and she's got the same upbeat, spicy attitude that the movie version lacks and the comic book version is famous for. Kirsten Dunst would have been better cast as Gwen Stacey, who was the sweet, blond-girl-next-door type. Dunst could have played that character, then they could have done the tragic Death of Gwen Stacey storyline, and Dunst could have left the franchise organically when they killed her character off. I hope they don't kill off the Mary Jane character because Dunst wants to leave, because she is pretty integral to the Peter Parker character. They should keep the character but simply recast if Dunst leaves. I hope they continue to keep the movies as close to the spirit of the comics as they can.

  • April 17, 2007, 9:56 a.m. CST

    Typo

    by Barron34

    "picking up the reins", not "picking up the reigns", as opposed to "handing the reins over"

  • April 17, 2007, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Jesus, Ringbearer....

    by DocPazuzu

    ...Could you get any creepier? On an average, how many non-Jackson/Tolkien talkbacks do you post in? One out of ten? Twenty? A hundred? You hover silently over the talkbacks like some insidious, malevolent, ever-watchful zeppelin helt aloft by your own noxious gases and singleminded obsession until -- there! -- you spy the word "Tolkien" or "Jackson" or "Anduril", at which point you descend upon the talkback whilst emitting a cacophony of loosely strung-together wet farts in the form of typed words, the accumulated meaning of which is inevitably derided and dismissed by virtually everyone who has the misfortune of being subjected to it. Please kill yourself. Everybody hates you.

  • April 17, 2007, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Lost Prophet....

    by Merlox

    actually MJ was a verbally abusedkid in Queens...but she did become the uber hot model...the movies have done a good job of mirroring that...even though Kirsten Drunkst has been a terrible choice for the upbeat and positive MJ...if I see her in her Hippie clothes and looking all solemn in this one I think I may scream

  • April 17, 2007, 10:21 a.m. CST

    The Hobbit

    by Barron34

    Whoever suggested James Cromwell for Gandalf: genius casting. Look, Raimi is just a very talented guy. I am certain he could make an excellent Hobbit movie. It is just a bit sad that Jackson and his great company of filmmakers will not be revisiting Middle-Earth, at least for the foreseeable future. That said, Raimi might bring a fresh perspective to the Tolkien Mythos on film. Sepulchrave is dead on with his list of what a successful Hobbit movie needs. Jackson and Company did a stupendous job and achieved what many believed impossible: the successful live-action filming of the Lord of the Rings. That is not to say that there weren't things about the films that couldn't have been improved upon. Frodo's heroic inner struggle and his journey were not as well dramatized and externalized as they could have been. Gimli and the Dwarven race were not treated as seriously as they perhaps could have been, and instead were sometimes relegated to comic relief. If the Hobbit is to be done well and proper, the Dwarves need to be treated well and proper, as Sepulchrave points out. And Bilbo Baggins needs to be a warm and accessible hero-protagonist. I think that Raimi could make a very good Hobbit film, given the chance. Maybe Peter Jackson and Company could one day have the opportunity to return to the Tolkien Mythos via a film version of some of the elements of the Silmarillion.

  • April 17, 2007, 10:30 a.m. CST

    The problem is...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...BSB, when it comes to Ringy, you don't know what you're talking about.

  • April 17, 2007, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Hey Pazuzu...

    by Sepulchrave

    This: "...like some insidious, malevolent, ever-watchful zeppelin held aloft by your own noxious gases..." ..was a masterful and bitterly offensive metaphor. I like. I am going to steal it and use in my own conversation.

  • April 17, 2007, 10:43 a.m. CST

    Oh come on.

    by Sepulchrave

    Something lamentable happens and everyone starts wallowing in the warm, stinking jacuzzi of emotional involvement. So there was another horrible school shooting? WTF? Do you know how many innocent people died last weekend? No. So don't start this Princess Diana crap about 'Boo hoo, it's the worst thing ever and none of us will ever be the same.' It's just another horrible senseless tragedy. They're right there in the news EVERY. SINGLE. DAY.

  • April 17, 2007, 10:45 a.m. CST

    No PJ = No Hobbit

    by Rikrik the White

    I want a look of consistency and feel in The Hobbit. If Peter Jackson doesn't do it, most of the fans I've spoken with won't see it.

  • April 17, 2007, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Kirsten, you're one of the reasons I won't pay to see

    by ComputerGuy68

    any Spider-Man films. If that team you deem so important is not around for #4 I will gladly pay to see that flick...

  • April 17, 2007, 10:48 a.m. CST

    Wow, brokedick...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...and here I was, thinking that Sean Penn's lecturing of Chris Rock on the subject of Jude Law was the most disgusting and sanctimonious example of self-aggrandizement I'd ever seen.

  • April 17, 2007, 10:51 a.m. CST

    What???

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    BSB - you're so far from the mark on that one, it's not even funny. How is that even remotely applicable? How dare you?!

  • April 17, 2007, 11 a.m. CST

    Another mass-murder another faceless loner

    by Sepulchrave

    Let's all line up to depoliticise this tragedy and impose the tired old 'he had no friends' template on yet another super-alienated kid. Who are these kids? Why are they all reduced to the same cartoon UNAbomber isolated freak, the trenchcoat mafia, the crazed goth, the miserable closeted homo. I'm sorry that these people are dead but as long as you allow yourselves to be led about by the nose by media propagandists, led to the trough of rabble-emotion and told to lap up tears by CBS and FOX and all the rest of the Kleenex brigade, the more often this shit will happen. I say 'I'm going to kill you' about 150 times a year, and I'm not going to stop because some blue-nosed 'appropriateness' policeman tells me not to.

  • April 17, 2007, 11:18 a.m. CST

    Raimi and Jackson have had identical careers

    by King Sweyn Forkbeard

    Both started out in home made horror/comedy, both then moved onto low budget studio stuff that was critically liked if not successful at the Box Office, then both were surprisingly handed the reins to big studio trilogies and knocked them out of the park. <P> IF Jackson is going to be replaced then I can think of few people better suited than Raimi, save perhaps Cuaron or Del Toro. <P> However, best all round result is that New Line fuck it up and the rights revert to someone who will let Jackson build on his original trilogy, and give us a Hobbit for grownups, no a twee kids story. Tolkien himself wanted to go back and rewrite it in a style more suited to LOTR, so I see no problem in Jackson doing it that way either.

  • April 17, 2007, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Just Who the Fuck the Dunst Think She Is?

    by jdesmondi

    Sure, I'd love to nail her, but does she actually think the Spidey franchise would wither and die without HER contribution in a Spidey 4. Hey Kirsten, call Katie Holmes and ask her about your chances.

  • April 17, 2007, 11:45 a.m. CST

    superninja:

    by morGoth

    What "miscasting" are you talking about in LoTR? That would put you as the only person I've ever heard/seen say that. I'm just curious...<p> And Ringbearer, not everyone has accepted that Jackson won't helm the Hobbit. I'll believe otherwise when I see it.

  • April 17, 2007, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Yeah, Tommy's chilicheese burgers (and dogs)!!

    by Dorothys Taint Again

    Oh, and Dunst needs to get over herself.

  • April 17, 2007, 12:08 p.m. CST

    In empire magazine it makes it clear that

    by emeraldboy

    Dunst was read the riot act by studio exec after she "spilled" some secrets.

  • April 17, 2007, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Whining over-emotional fuckheads GOTTA EAT!!!

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    You get me? THIS IS A MOVIE SITE forfuckssake!!! So, cut the crap and get back to bitch-slapping that Crusty Dunst snapper-lookalike.

  • April 17, 2007, 12:27 p.m. CST

    DocP...love that post about Ringy

    by just pillow talk

    And I love both Spidey movies, but I don't think it would bother me one bit if the casting was changed. I think the bigger impact would be changing the director. But that could work too, as long as the approach to the material is the same. I think the spirit of Spidey is there, especially with the second one (yeah, yeah, I know Spidey doesn't joke enough), but it 'feels' like Spidey. My spidey sense is tingling in anticipation of the third movie! Aw crap, spidey webbing all over my keyboard! (it's organic too!)

  • April 17, 2007, 12:49 p.m. CST

    that could be said for almost every movie...

    by just pillow talk

    that there's room for improvement. I'll put it do you this way anchorite: I couldn't have imagined these movies turning out as good as they were prior to the first one coming out. I think because they are of good quality that we expect all superhero movies to be of at least the same quality. That doesn't happen, we get more crappy ones than good ones. <p>If done right, this franchise can have long legs, with completely different cast/director like you said.

  • April 17, 2007, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Do you know, brokedick...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...what I like best about you? It’s that you, during the weeks or months following a particularly gruesome session of being at the receiving end of a TB assraping, frequent many talkbacks, shooting the shit, buddying up with folks, trying to launch particularly lame AICN cathphrases, typing what you doubtlessly think are humorous posts in loud, shouty, upper-case letters and generally waiting for the shockwaves of the latest flame war to subside. Then you start to feel comfortable. You think “Hey, I got my buds, and they got my back.” Your confidence begins to return and you start entertaining the notion of jabbing one of the adversaries responsible for your earlier humiliation in an appropriate TB. The trouble is – or rather, the fun part is – that you become overly eager and overestimate your capabilities, which results in a TB like this, where your jab blows up in your face like an ACME cigar laced with dogshit, and suddenly you find yourself once again at the receiving end of humiliation and pain. Maybe I’m wrong, who knows? Maybe it’s just your well-documented love of -- and obsession with -- violent anal penetration which drives you to these lengths.

  • April 17, 2007, 1:06 p.m. CST

    anchorite

    by DocPazuzu

    Why don't you just come clean? You're simply trying to preempt any discussion regarding increased gun control in the wake of the shootings. You're about as conservative and unapologetically Republican as they come. There aren't too many people in these boards who aren't already familiar with your politics so why don't you just say what's on your mind? Don't pretend to be bipartisan about this whole thing. The fact is that talk of increased gun control probably "sickens" you a lot more than some of the other things being said in regard to this mass murder.

  • April 17, 2007, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Peter Jackson for JLA!

    by UltimaRex

    Peter Jackson for JLA!

  • April 17, 2007, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Peter Jackson for JLA!

    by UltimaRex

    Peter Jackson for JLA!

  • April 17, 2007, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Peter Jackson for JLA!

    by UltimaRex

    What?

  • April 17, 2007, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Peter Jackson for JLA!

    by UltimaRex

    Does it bother you that I'm talking about a MOVIE...

  • April 17, 2007, 1:28 p.m. CST

    "a sensitive nerve with you"

    by DocPazuzu

    No, brokedick, it's simply that you mistimed your jab and callously used the Virginia shootings in a mindbogglingly hamfisted attempt to make yourself look like the bigger man. Apart from the hilarious resulting non-sequitur, it was also crude and cold, but most of all, embarrassing.

  • April 17, 2007, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Peter Jackson for JLA!

    by UltimaRex

    ...or that I don't bring my ego into this? Lesson of the day: do not jump onto off the cuff remarks. This is a movie site.

  • April 17, 2007, 1:33 p.m. CST

    UltimaRex - you son of a bitch!

    by just pillow talk

    Playing dirty...talking about movies. I spit in your general direction!

  • April 17, 2007, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Lee & Ditko

    by Ender's Jeesh

    I could deal with a 60's-era reboot of the franchise, cast relative unknowns to save budget, set it in 1964, have him meet the FF, Green Goblin in Purple sarong and night cap... could fucking rule! THEN follow THAT trilogy with an Ultimate or Spidey 2099 trilogy. At 37 I'd be long-dead before they all came out, but my kids would have something to look forward too.

  • April 17, 2007, 1:54 p.m. CST

    I've also seen Dunst and she is cute in a

    by superninja

    non-threatening sort of way. Nice legs. Women of course like non-threatening women, but again, that is exactly not what MJ is, MJ is the kind of chick other girls hate! LOL!

  • April 17, 2007, 1:56 p.m. CST

    If the guards had guns maybe the kid would've

    by superninja

    been taken down sooner. Even better the teachers and some of the students. I am for more guns, not less. Do you think the government is going to protect you from crazies when they get guns illegally?

  • April 17, 2007, 1:57 p.m. CST

    What kind of logic is it to lock down a campus

    by superninja

    when the only person armed is the murderer? Think about it.

  • April 17, 2007, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Ender's Jeesh - also have the Enforcers...

    by just pillow talk

    Chameleon...Betty Brant with her hairdo...our children will need that!

  • April 17, 2007, 3:17 p.m. CST

    Yes, Jessical Biel should be MJ.

    by superninja

    She looks like MJ, but she would need to lay off the weights a bit.

  • April 17, 2007, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Rest In Peace Victims of Virginia Tech

    by Roboteer

    'Nuff said.

  • April 17, 2007, 3:46 p.m. CST

    Geeeeezzzzzz...

    by MarkoOhNo

    Why is it that, just as a film franchise is at its peak, the cast & crew always jump ship & leave it to flounder & die?!

  • April 17, 2007, 4:11 p.m. CST

    It's official...

    by FilmNerdJamie

    ...Dunst is a fucking idiot and a big mouth to boot (i.e. blabbing about SPIDER-MAN 3s villains early last year!) I guess someone forgot to tell her about the decades of recasting James Bond(s) with little-to-no failures. Give it a week, and she'll deny ever making that statement and/or claim she was "mis-quoted!"

  • April 17, 2007, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Anchorite, seriously, what the fuck?

    by Childe Roland

    Everytime I start to think you've come around to a less black-and-white (or, probably and unfortunately more appropriately, red and blue) way of thinking, you come out with some ass headed post like your "blame the media for distorting the Virginia shootings" rant in this talkback.<p>You know what, a mass murder like the one that happened yesterday hits people hard. People want to make sense of it even if there's none to be made. And the media choosing to put human names and faces on the numerically ordered dead is hardly something to blast them for.<p>What the politicians and pundits do with something like this is their business, but don't you fucking dare trivialize the loss of these or any lives in an effort to promote your own terminally jaded and skewed view of reality.<p>If a Muslim had walked onto a Jewish Community Center campus and started killing kids and teachers, you can bet you'd use that to make political hay for your own cause (just like the Bush administration used 9-11 to make hay for theirs, which you happened to ensdorse strongly at the time). So don't come crying -- all holier than thou and disgusted and above it all -- just because something like this is very likely to break badly for the conservative agenda from a PR standpoint.<p>The sword you've been weilding -- specifically pontificating about what U.S. policy should be based on the crazy fucking actions of a few -- cuts both ways and, as you rightfully observed, that sword has gotten rather dull over the last few years, especially. But dull blades are often the most dangerous. So if I were you I'd just steer the fuck clear of this topic entirely.

  • April 17, 2007, 6:21 p.m. CST

    The person who we should be attacking is Jack Thompson

    by pjdon

    He really has gone to far leaching of this horrible event for his own gain. He even made statements about the shooter playing video games before anyone even had revealed who the shooter was!<p>Apparently the police are now treating him as a possible acomplice because he seemed to have inside information. I hope that anti-christ gets locked up.

  • April 17, 2007, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Too Bad They're Wasting Gwen Stacy In This One.

    by Buzz Maverik

    All you have to do is bring in another girl. Could be another actress to play MJ, could be another character. First of all, Dunst is not playing Mary Jane, she's playing Gwen, even though they are calling her Mary Jane. Dunst even thought she was going to play Gwen when they first gave her some old comics. I agree that someone like Biel playing someone like Mary Jane from the comics would be more threatening, which guys like. Felicia Hardy would be even more threatening still. I think they should wait several years for another Spidey movie and recast the whole thing.

  • April 17, 2007, 6:31 p.m. CST

    Just let Peter David write the next one

    by trafficguy2000

    His Peter Parker run was one of the funniest and well written runs in the late 80-early 90 Spidey mythos. Go Death Eater with it, both sad and plenty of one liners. Never happen since there are no toys to sell with EXTRA SLIME GOO!!! Always thought the movies were too overwrought.

  • April 17, 2007, 6:33 p.m. CST

    ringwearer lays dormant

    by slappy jones

    like some fucking mythological creature only brought to life by stories regarding jackson.....it is actually quite fucking disturbing

  • April 17, 2007, 6:37 p.m. CST

    not just wasting gwen

    by trafficguy2000

    but wasting the kid from "70s show" as Venom. He shoulda been Peter in the 1st place, damnit!! Time for a Hulk style reboot...

  • April 17, 2007, 6:39 p.m. CST

    They could NEVER replace Toby

    by BannedOnTheRun

    or Michael Keaton or Val Kilmer or George Clooney or Christian Bale. P.S. I wanna see wisecracking Spidey vs. Punisher.

  • April 17, 2007, 7:17 p.m. CST

    I doubt many agree but...

    by rbatty024

    I don't think it work terribly well to have Spiderman wisecracking during a major battle. It works fine on a comic page, but in a movie it distracts from the visuals. Think about that awful Rush Hour 3 clip and the quips in the new TMNT movie. Mayve they could bring out this side of Spider-Man's personality some other way, but I for one don't want to see him wisecracking in the middle of a fight.

  • April 17, 2007, 7:39 p.m. CST

    It would be HILARIOUS! Spidey doing flips over

    by superninja

    Rhino as he runs into walls, smashes pavement, bats with a lampost, but strikes out! He can't touch the guy, and all the while Spidey is mocking him as he finally gets him to knock his own self out. I want to see that on screen. Or Spidey mocking Mysterio's outfit - it's begging to be mocked. The directors take all of the fun out of superheroes. It should feel like real place, it should have its B-listers.

  • April 17, 2007, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Can I ask a serious question for a moment?

    by superninja

    I know there is a bit of history here with you guys, but all I can see, honestly, is that anchorite is stating his perspective just like the rest of you. You just don't like his views, which is fine. <p> Yet for some reason, every time he posts, people go off on diatribes and tell him that he's better off not commenting. I've got to say, people say crazy things on this site all the time, I just don't get it. I imagine it would not be well recieved if it was done to you in return.

  • April 17, 2007, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Not All Fanboys live in their parent's basement

    by NHRonin

    Just the ones who think Dunst is hot.

  • April 17, 2007, 9:12 p.m. CST

    DocPazuzu, what poetry!

    by Ringwearer9

    Insired by half a line from me. Now that's Power!

  • April 17, 2007, 10:44 p.m. CST

    Let Raimi do spidey, lete peter do hobbit and...

    by Johnno

    let this guy do the Halo movie: http://tinyurl.com/39yyr3

  • April 17, 2007, 11:23 p.m. CST

    Look, it's the real MJ.

    by superninja

    http://popsugar.com/gallery/54740?page=0,0,3

  • April 17, 2007, 11:27 p.m. CST

    Actually BSB...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...your post attacking DocPaz was in rather poor taste. It was totally off the mark and broached a subject in this relatively benign TB that didn't need to be mentioned. (Certainly not in that manner.) It was crass and transparent.<P>Seriously. If that's how you really feel, then why aren't you condemning all the Bay Haters who say that "Transformers" is going to BOMB out of respect for the victims lost in various Iraq bombings every day?<P>Earlier, you implied that I was somehow defending DocPaz. Well, as one can clearly see, he needs no such assistance. I just happen to think you took an utterly ricockulous and miscalculated jab at someone and it needed to be addressed.

  • April 18, 2007, 12:04 a.m. CST

    PjDon

    by Phategod2

    are they really treat Thompson as a accomplice I would love that.

  • April 18, 2007, 12:25 a.m. CST

    BSB

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Quote: "...Paz's last 2 sentences in that post are totally inappropriate given the tragedy at VA and the loner involved. I don't even want to say more than that."<P>A jab or a "friendly nudge"? Take your pick, BSB. Either way, it's crass and uncalled for. How dare you inject that into the conversation in that manner?<P>Quite trying to be the self-righteous TB hero all the time. It's fucking lame and transparent.<P>But you know all about that don't you, Le POSEUR?

  • April 18, 2007, 12:37 a.m. CST

    VENOM DIES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by ekocher

    so says the bones of topher grace...thanks to sound

  • April 18, 2007, 2:48 a.m. CST

    That's right, Ringy...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...you got the Touch, you got the Powah.

  • April 18, 2007, 4:04 a.m. CST

    how did this degenerate into a political argument?

    by Lost Prophet

    strange. <p>Also, Emeraldboy, will you please stop citing that despicable piece of gutter fluff (Empire) in almost every thread like it's fucking gospel. I'm fucking sick of their wank excuse for critical analysis, inbred journalism and general utter uselessness.

  • April 18, 2007, 7 a.m. CST

    Sorry, anchorite...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...but Roland is completely on target when it comes to you. I have no doubt that there's a small part of you that's secretly disappointed that the shooter didn't turn out to be an illegal immigrant. You rode that particular pony right into the ground in the Bob Clark TB. At the very least you'd be using the sob stories of this tragedy to fuel the odious argument that if he'd been stopped at the border this never would have happened. As for your comments about the high death toll being a result of the pussification of America, I don't know where to begin. What you said is tantamount to blaming the victims themselves for getting shot since they all didn't rush him at once, like you and all true red-blooded conservatives would have -- or so you imply. Suffice it to say, in a long list of assholish comments you've made over the years, that ranks as one of the most offensive. Congratulations on fucking yourself over once again just by opening your mouth.

  • April 18, 2007, 7:17 a.m. CST

    I never believed that argument

    by Lost Prophet

    that the media inspire people to kill, especially not when related to serious journalism. (Or even human interest)- I certainly think that the fact that several of these instances happened in the years since columbine has fuck all to do with the media, and more to do with the lack of gun control in America. (Before anyone jumps on me about this, I don't think that control would mean this would never happen, I just mean that it would make it far harder for the intended killer to get his mits on a gun, and therefore less likely to happen)<p>I do however, despise the mass hand wringing and gnashing of teeth that invariably happens after a tragedy. A case to note was the princess diana death- the whole public mourning shit made me vomit- I didn't particularly care, and was not alone in this. I certainly developed compassion fatigue very quickly. <p>This was a bit of a ham disted attempt to sit on the middle ground, sorry all. <p>Cheers for the MJ clarification BTW.

  • April 18, 2007, 8:30 a.m. CST

    The Hobbit needs new blood and snaggle-tooth is hot

    by LightninBolt

    http://www.solaceincinema.com/2006/12/01/why-i-dont-give-a-fuck-if-peter-jackson-directs-the-hobbit/ Dunst is amazing in the flesh and she has an awesome mellow vibe about her generally. I expect that quote was not meant in that way.

  • April 18, 2007, 8:32 a.m. CST

    Extreme gun control in Canada, but...

    by ComputerGuy68

    that did not stop some nut from shooting up his school last year. <p> http://tinyurl.com/z6lvr

  • April 18, 2007, 8:54 a.m. CST

    Does that even matter, BSB?

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Just stop.

  • April 18, 2007, 9:01 a.m. CST

    computer guy

    by Lost Prophet

    I know that, but it mskes it less likely to happen- surely if there is a way to lessen the chances of an atrocity like this then that is a good thing?

  • April 18, 2007, 9:39 a.m. CST

    Getting back to the actual talkback

    by TimBenzedrine

    They could easily sidestep the whole MJ problem for Spidey4 by sticking the character on a plane and sending her to London for some acting gig. They wouldn't even hve to show her leave. While she's gone,Spider Man can get involved with the Black Cat. Spider Man5 comes along, MJ's back, either an attitude adjusted Dunst, or a brand new actress in the role. Works for me.

  • April 18, 2007, 9:42 a.m. CST

    could definitley work...

    by just pillow talk

    or they could just write a story where Spidey has to travel somewhere..perhaps run into Wolverine in Germany...

  • April 18, 2007, 10:34 a.m. CST

    I comprehended your intent just fine, anchorite.

    by Childe Roland

    You showed a lot of balls (and characteristically few brains) when you made the initial post that I rightfully blasted you for (seriously, you criticized the news for pointing out that one of the victims was a Holocaust survivor, what the fuck kind of Jew are you?!?!?). You should show the same testicular fortitude in owning up to your ass-headed statements and the (lack of) reason behind them instead of trying to backpedal into some safely neutral territory.<p>As for telling you to steer clear of the topic, I did no such thing. I offered you advice based on what I, as a sensitive and intelligent person, would do in your tenuous and downright indefensible position. You were right to thank me for that (even if you were trying to be smug about it). You should've stopped there. Then maybe Doc P. wouldn't have had to pull down your pants again in front of all these people.<p>I'll stop condescending you when you stop being such a willfully ignorant, hypocritical asshole. Until then, I'm going to call you on it every time I see it. Cheers.

  • April 18, 2007, 12:17 p.m. CST

    No Raimi for Hobit

    by darthbandon99

    It's a mortal sin :(

  • April 18, 2007, 1:08 p.m. CST

    You're new, huh, Oscar?

    by Childe Roland

    Otherwise you'd know that my rookie status expireed several years ago.<p>As for being an asshole, you bet I am. Being right often places one in that position. Speaking of which, I notice you forgot to put yourself on the list. If you're going to be comprehensive, don't half ass it, son.

  • April 18, 2007, 1:13 p.m. CST

    oh no

    by BeatsMe

    i hate her now. I kinda liked her before this comment.

  • April 18, 2007, 1:16 p.m. CST

    AWESOME! Christmas just came early this year.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Childe, unless my eyes deceive me, we've just been given a gift formerly known as Jar Jar 4 Prez. This is gonna be fun.

  • April 18, 2007, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Comprehensive List of Oscar Wilde 4 Prez's Former Names

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Jar Jar 4 Prez = Banned<P>Mr Nice Gaius = Banned<P>Vog From Dimension X = Banned<P>Mr. Mean Gaius = Banned by Moriarty for all to see.<P>by by = Banned in one of the finest displays of self-ownage ever seen.<P>Considering how you vanished into utter oblivion after that last trouncing OW4P, I pretty much figured they banned your IP address, too. But here you are...trolling again. Obsession? You personify it. I gave you advice before but you failed to heed it. So, I'll give it to you again free of charge. Are you ready?<P>STAY BANNED.

  • April 18, 2007, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Nikki Cox is MARY JANE!

    by Pie_Man_Returns

    That is all.

  • April 18, 2007, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Sounds like an invite to the dance to me, Oscar...

    by Childe Roland

    ...and just to show you what a sporting chap I can be, I'll go ahead and let you lead.<p>You have one ten-line post in which to floor me with your smarts.<p>Extra points if you use fewer than ten lines.<p>Extra extra points if you structure your intended witticism or insult in Haiku form.<p>But be warned: you're already going to need to show me something a little extra to make up for using any variation of "pwn" in a sentence.<p>Annnd go!

  • April 18, 2007, 2:32 p.m. CST

    What's the matter, Oscar?

    by Childe Roland

    Did you not understand the challenge?<p>Here. Let me demonstrate:<p> An Ode to Oscar Wilde 4 Prez<p>Internet asshat<p>masturbates furiously<p>achieving nothing

  • April 18, 2007, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Laugh all you want BSB...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...but BSG has little to do with this cretin. He just knew where he had to post if he wanted to play with the big boys. Remember Stooopider? Well, take away his F5 key and his token capacity to reason and you've got Oscar Wilde 4 Prick. I wouldn't wish him even upon you, BSB. Although, you guys would probably make a sweet couple - http://tinyurl.com/299rr2

  • April 19, 2007, 7:27 a.m. CST

    moving on

    by SpikeTBB

    I'd like to see the older, more mature and confident Spider Man and Peter Parker. I never disliked Tobey, and he had some good scenes but I never thought he did much with it. He got sort of one note very quickly, and seemed so sedated.<p> Dunst had the same effect. I never really got the sense I was seeing Peter and MJ, just Tobey and Dunst I hadn't given it much thought but when I watch the DVD's of the movies I know often fast forward through the scenes with just those two.<p> Spider-Man tends to have an air of informal authority about him in the comics. Yes, he makes wisecracks, and I am not sure he always does it because he is scared. I honestly think he sees the absurdity of a lot of the situations and makes jokes. But when things get intense he can and does get serious. NOT depressed or scared or soul searching but serious and takes on the demeanor of a seasoned professional, which is what he is. In a recent Ultimate Spider-Man, Doc Ock made the comment that when Spider-Mans tops joking , that is how Ock knows he is scared. Spider-Girl answered "No that how you know he is serious" and the both knock Ock on his ass. And that version IS a kid but still acts more adult than the movie version.<p> I'm ready tosee that version in the movies. he jokes cause he is confident in himself, not because he is insecure. He knows what he is doing and knows he is fighting the good fight. THAT"S Spider-Man

  • April 19, 2007, 8:49 a.m. CST

    Anchorite, you ignorant slut...

    by Childe Roland

    ...I've never had to make up a single thing about you in order to reveal you for the ignorant and blustering asshat you are.<p>I don't like you because I see in your posts, on very rare occasions, the capacity for reason and even a glimmer of sensitivity (usually when you're discussing the plight of Israel) which you choose to put in a bag and light on fire most of the time you post. In other words, you should fucking well know better.<p>The media is definitely a mad dog off the chain 95% of the time, but when it reveals details about the lives of the victims in an undeniable tragey, that is not a symptom of the problem. And that's exactly what you were harping on.<p>I provided examples of your hypocrisy already (as if anyone needed them (it's okay to scream about man's inhumanity to man when it justifies an invasion of a foreign nation, but not when it might lead to a re-evaluation of our nation's gun laws? And apparently it's okay to wallow in the tragic deaths of airplane passengers, World Trade Center tenants and New York Police and Firemen, but not in the senseless slaughter of more than 30 kids?). Get a grip.<p> As for the quote of mine you threw in my face in a desperate attempt to be right about something (anything), read it again. Particularly the words: "If I were you." Those are pretty important to the meaning of the statement, because it puts the entire thing in the context of my advice to you as someone who seems to be able to differentiate between topics he should and shouldn't be commenting on. Take it for what you will.<p>And if you think my having fun with a new asshat is somehow symptomatic of my having an off week, you need to learn when it's okay to lighten up and be silly. Insulting someone in Haiku for claiming he's smarter than a bunch of folks on the board is an indulgence, sure, but hardly constitutes sinking anywhere. Trying to divert attention from your own idiocy by implying that some degree of levity on my part undermines my very valid criticisms of you as a human being is just, well, desperate. Do better. Or don't try at all.

  • April 19, 2007, 9:23 a.m. CST

    What was this talkback about again???

    by ComputerGuy68

    =0

  • April 19, 2007, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Nikki Cox is MARY JANE!by Pie_Man_Returns

    by SpikeTBB

    Oh HELL yes, man. I can't imagine why that never occurred to me before you said it. Nikki can be both bright and party girl fun and yet can play the hidden depth the character needs. I've always thought she deserved better roles than she has gotten. Yes, I do think she is sexy as hell on top of that, but looking great does not mean one can act. I think she can do both and her characterization of MJ would be close to the comic book version.<p> Of course they would have to move out of the teen angst or even collage age years for Peter and MJ to cast her, but I am all for that as well.

  • April 20, 2007, 1:01 p.m. CST

    RE: "what it's like to have a life"

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    That just might be the biggest lie you've ever told, OW4P. I'm not the one whose on his sixth screenname returning (yet again) to troll someone on AICN's boards. Seriously, how PATHETIC are you anyway?<P>But I suppose the reason why it's AWESOME you've returned is that it at least gives everyone another chance to see you get worked over in TB. How embarrassing it must be for you to come slinking back with hollow promises of "pwnage" only to get "pwned" over and over again. You're like the most self-"pwning" troll of ALL TIME! Simply put, you should STAY BANNED because it's in your best interest. That is unless you actually enjoy getting banned...<P>...there is certainly nothing wrong with that.

  • April 20, 2007, 1:03 p.m. CST

    RE: "your list isn't comprehensive."

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Wha? You mean you've got more aliases?!<P>BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

  • July 11, 2007, 2 p.m. CST

    How about THIS, kids:

    by tgibfo

    Shia LeBeouf as Peter Parker, Kirsten Dunst gets killed (in the first five minutes) instead of Gwen Stacy, and give us the Lizard and Kraven. Have Michael Bay direct. (Okay, I was kidding about that last part....)