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Okay... One Last Time, All Together Now... Shia La Beouf Is In INDY 4!!
On February 18th, I first printed the rumor that Shia La Beouf would be appearing in INDIANA JONES 4. Since then, there have been a steady stream of denials, refutations, and obfuscations. Shia himself has been quoted several times saying that he wasn’t attached to the film, including his interview with Capone a few days ago.
Can we please all please finally agree that he is in the movie?
It’s funny, because I think people misunderstood my initial reaction when I broke the story, saying that I was against his casting in the movie. That’s not the case. I think it’s problematic when new family members pop up in sequels, but that’s an overall thing. Although they haven’t confirmed what his role would be in the film, I’m guessing that my initial sources were right since they got the casting correct in the first place.
I’m sure we’ll hear a lot more about this film in the weeks ahead. It seems like they’re picking up steam, making more and more announcements every day.
Drew McWeeny, Los Angeles
Drew McWeeny, Los Angeles
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i think
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Yea ha,....no I know Im not first....
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Especially, since I WAS FIRST!!!
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damn almost first - this news blows
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At first I was against an Indy 4 but after seeing Rocky Balboa and the trailers for Die Hard 4 (which I am now looking foward too), I am slowly becoming more hopefull. Although I would still prefer to keep it as a triology.
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If he's his kid, hopefully Marion's his mum. Is he too young to have been concieved on that submarine...well, it depends when Indy 4 takes place, I guess. Is Sean Connery still playing Chicken with the big three? Maybe Sean Connery's role should be changed to Indy's brother. They look the same age now anyway. And Mori, I could see your hesitation with adding family members in sequels but it worked in Last Crusade, no?
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or whatever -- I'll base my judgement of what I expect out of him for Indy4, based on what I see in Transformers.
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planet!
I mean, this will go great along with his upcoming SNL appearance, right?
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Just want to get a post in early before this talkback cranks into gear. It looks like another sidekick role I guess. Shia did that in Constantine, but he strangely went missing for most of the film so i'm not sure that counts. Totally superfluous character. Hope it isn't the same here.
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Put Indy 4 back to back with Die Hard 4 and throw in a bunch of fake trailers for ridiculously contrived action action sequels. Get guest directors to film short spoof trailers as homages to the films that inspired them such as "Joe Carnahan's Lethal Weapon 5" or "Michael Bay's Hudson Hawk 2". Release the film on New Year's Eve! Don't market it! It will make millions!
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Somehow I'm currently in my Darabont draft mourning phase...listening to the Chud Podcast, hearing Simon Pegg or whomever praising the script...reading some old stuff on message boards concerning the D-draft about a cynical, disenchanted Indy ...all that makes me sad. I hope that whatever it was Lucas wasn't fond of it wasn't something like a cynical Indy Jones but something else...because I just LOVE that idea. I almost tend to think it's essential for an old indy flick. And I'm with Mori on the family member thing. I can already see the writing about how Indy IV parodies itself (LC) in front of my inner eye. It would be quite odd, especially if it's a boy.
However, I'm glad about the strict secrecy of Indy IV. I understand that it may make certain casting decisions (from the actors POV) pretty hard but it's good for us. I trust in LaBeouf's strengths as an actor and that within May 2008 his name won't be more than just an addition of a ....good film. Uhhh....It all depends on the damned script....
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That is all.
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I've been backwards and forwards about this project for years and I've just decided that I'm now officially excited about it. Casting news has all been great (didn't know much about Shia but he's coming across as a good kind of dude in his interviews), David Koepp is capable of sheer genius writing (do *you* have Spider-Man and Carlito's Way on your resume? *I* fucking don't), Harrison Ford is due a late career revival (Connery style), and Spielberg is god (not metaphorically. The actual one from the bible). I'm going on record as saying that this movie will rock. Hard. Indy 4, baby. I understand it's power now...
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things up too neat. Making it / keeping it "all in the family" is code for "we can't figure out what else to do"Look at 24 - bother and father has made this seasons plot bull shit. Look at the jean Claude van Damme movies "Double Impact"Whenevere there is a bother, sister, ma and pa, or twins, you know the movie has a hand on the flushing knob.And I am looking forward to this movie. I mean, I can't wait. The Indiana series DEFINES what it was for me growing up. hell, I even watched temple of Doom last weekend - very guilty pleasure - and ya know, the 30 minute non stop action scenes from the moment "Indy i love you" and gets burned with the torch to the end when he almost lets the Shankara stone slip after the bridge fight - awsome, corny fun. I have high hopes for this one but the entire family being involved - if he really is the son - sucks. I hate it when the do this. It makes things waaaaay too easy.
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Who says he's related to Indy? Get ready for wacky chopsocky tomfoolery from Short Round's illegitimate son!
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those are the only ones I can think of. I didn't sleep too well last night. But don't get me wrong - I can't friggin wait for this. Hopefully ol Speilbie slaps for across the face a few times to wake him up and this thing really comes thru. I am excited.
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that's gay
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Go back and read the interviews. Anyway, just because he's in it doesn't mean he's Indy's son!
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DAMN YOU DAVID KOEPP!!
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Sounds like Spielberg could have two turds in the oven with this casting news.
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Great... Lucas is raping mu adult hood now too. Hmmm who will play Indy's rebellious, resentful, wise cracking, puppy eyed son who always seems be in some kind of trouble but has the answer to get out of it? Oh Joy stock characters and typcasting! The Next Tom Hanks my ass. Now Lucas needs to wait 50 years and come out with Willow 2 starring Maddox Jolie and officially rape my entire life.
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this SHIA kid keeps on lining up these marquee roles... maybe he is a big star on the rise after all...i have to see some superior acting to believe it....maybe disturbia and transformers will convince me he is worthy enuf to share the screen with harrison ford...lol
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I don't think there's anybody back there.
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...I can't believe there is a famous person named "Shia La Beouf" and it isn't a '70s porn star.
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And say I won't be in the movie, only in flash backs with my son, that is all
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...while Christy Romano is still stuck on Disney Channel? (Okay, Kim Possible is great, but you get what I mean)
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Damn you Michael Bay
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I think they should put him in the movie. Maybe make him a foil to Indy like his role of Lance White in the Rockford Files. Or at the very least give him a cameo.
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make him a student that gets dragged into it not a son and by the end of the movie when Indy is about to die have Indy inspire the kid with some biblical bullshit.
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So I hope it's isn't true. I watched "Temple of Doom" with my daughter again this weekend and boy, that movie has not aged well. Certainly not like "Raiders," which has lost none of the qualities that made it be the classic it is today.
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Not that way. Get your minds out of the gutter. When I saw even stevens I thought it blew but the main kid had some thing about him. I thought he'd go some where. Then I hear about Transformers and I'm like the kids going to make some headlines now. Then I see A guide to recognising your saints and I was blown away. The kid can act, He's got all important charm. it'll take him a long way.
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...that Shia is going to be Indy's son (not that there's anything to suggest that he is, but since it seems to be the cause of all the whining, we'll just assume he is for a minute). So fucking what? Short Round was basically his son from a story point of view and that whole relationship was fantastic (I'm right by the way, so please don't argue). Indy's a total harcore pimp, he's bound to have a son somewhere.
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...and "first" posters are fags.
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Can someone please explain?
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as indy's kid hell no ......
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....we knew all along this was gonna happen. Moriarty has great sources and i trust him. Thanks for the heads up on the bad news. I do hope....hope...HOPE, they(lucas+sirstevie) don't screw this up!
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That guy is great, not one of those OC pretty boys...Derek W is into him
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La-booff?
La-beef?
La-Bof?
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The AICN message boards are a place where people can express their love of film by being totally and unremitingly negative about each and every detail of every project currently in development, thus perpetuating the stereotype of internet fanboys wearing Iron Maiden T-Shirts crying onto their keyboards in their parents basements in between ferocious bouts of Hentai based self abuse. Hope that helps!
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Because Shia is an up and coming actor who is landing some big parts... because he is being very successful at a young age... and because he probably has a large section of female fans, THERE WILL ALWAYS BE A LARGE NUMBER OF TALKBACKERS WHO HATE HIM. It's just jealousy really. And then, in a homoerotic fashion, they will suggest alternative casting, which is almost always more muscly handsome actors. TOM WELLING?! There are still talkbackers that hate DiCaprio for the same fucked up reasons.
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We have a winner!
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Talkbackers on AICN are generally miserable failed "wannabes" and "I'm-gonna-do's" who have an unhealthy amount of free time on their hands to vent paragraphs of poisonous negative excrement in the general direction of anybody who appears to be getting on with the business of successful movie-making. Shia LaBeouf will probably be excellent in the movie, and you'll all go and pay to see it and you'll all know it's true in spite of what you write here. Some of you need to get a fucking life.
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He'll still deny it lol. The movie will be done and he will deny he was ever in the movie. He's an actor in disguise man! Can't give that away!
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Look, we all know that in our hearts, Indy and Marion would have ended up together and probably had a kid. Indy is the guy every single one of us wishes would have been our Dad - even if he might not have been the greatest father. Lets face it - Shia kind of looks like Harrison Ford - more so than River Phoenix did, and if there is going to ba a kid in the fourth. movie, Shia looks like a really good choice to play the part. He is also the perfect age to be playing Indy's son 20 years after the events of ROTLA.
And why is everybody whining about a new Indy movie that people have been asking for ever since the last Indy movie? Just about every interview with Lucas, Spielberg, and Harrison Forn in the last 10 years has included the question... will there be another Indy movie. Maybe the sequels have never quite reached the near perfection that was Raiders, but they have all been great, fun, exciting movies, and the possibility of seeing one of my all time favorite characters have another chance to end up with Marion, and maybe kick some Commie ass - all the better.
Plus, we will hopefully see Harrison Ford back at the top of his game. Do you think he isn't aware that his choice of roles hasn't been what it used to be? Do you think that Lucas doesn't know we were all somewhat disapointed with ep 1-3? They all have something to prove with Indy 4, and if they say this script is the one, I have faith. Mostly, I have faith in the greatest movie director in the world, Steven Spielberg - never has he delivered a movie that did not entertain in some way - some might not be as great as others, but I plan on having fun with the Joneses on opening day - any you know all of y'all will be there too. -
So I'm an idiot without spellcheck... Y'all know who I'm talking about.
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And thus, George the VII Chicken is a fuckface!
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Total crap actor that will ruin the movie. He will be what Hayden Christiansen was to the Prequels. Worse, he will be the Jar Jar of the new Indy film. What a crock of shit!
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At least the addition of the most annoying movie presence in the last decade works as a big warning sign that it's going to suck. Like a George Lucas project has a guaranteed satisfaction sticker on it anymore.
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Spielberg's bad movies are better than most other movies. Apart from The Terminal, obviously. So Indy IV will be good. Here endeth the lesson. The question is: how good? I'd much rather have a dark film like Temple of Doom than the Raiders rip-off Last Crusade. Oh, and Raiders may be the greatest movie ever made. Just had to say that.
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flashbacks, like River Phoenix in Last Crusade. The whole son angle screams of older filmmakers who have stopped making movies for the audience and have started making movies for their children. I'm still cautiously optomistic just because Spielberg is directing.
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Instead...only try to realize the truth.
"What truth?"
There is no movie.
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A small bowl of oatmeal would taste good right about now.
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ive been looking forward to this movie...PRAYING it would happen, but with this casting news, now I'm just kind of apathetic towards it. Not necessarily because of LeBouf *I havent really seen any movies with him in them bar constantine* so I really dont know if this guy is going to ruin this. What I do think is that Indy 4 should have tonally been closer to Raiders, and that Indy should have had the screen pretty much to himself. fingers crossed.
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Listen, I'm one of the people not eagerly awaiting an Indy IV. Harrison Ford's developed into one of the blandest actors on the planet and George Lucas hasn't done anything good since the original Star Wars trilogy wrapped up. Spielberg is in his most interesting phase of his career right now and showing real maturity as an artist, so I'm a bit conflicted on seeing him return to the world of popcorn. I love Raiders and the rest of the series to death and I suppose my hesitation is just from not wanting to see a pretty fantastic series ruined.
However, Shia's casting is not horrible. Giving Indy a son who is a teenager or a young adult is a good move...if, indeed, he IS a son. Personally, I think it may have been a tad more interesting to give him a tomboy daughter to keep him on his toes, but this isn't a bad move by any means. I recently saw Disturbia at a press screening and thought it was a fun little movie and that Shia really has a real onscreen charm that kind of reminds me of a young John Cusack. With his casting and the addition of Cate Blanchett, the film is starting to get a bit more interesting...but I still would love to hear about what Darabont originally wrote. -
Apr 13, 2007 10:18:43 AM CDT
Indy 5 takes place in the 60's and it's about
by the ghost of marcus brody
his son Shia who is a photographer for National Geographic who likes to drink like his mom Marion. That will be $25,000 LucasFilms, thanks.
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plays annoying fucking characters like in I, Robot, Constantine and such. He's role in Transformers is fucking awful based on the script and the only thing he was half decent in was Holes. I just don't like he's wise-cracking performances. They fucking annoy me.
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i hope I'm wrong.
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I like this kid but he's starting to pop up EVERY fucking where. I just don't want to be sick of his face by the time Indy drops.
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..when Indiana Jones 4 is released in theaters. Not when Harrison Ford collapses on set. Although that is highly probable.
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it's probably him...
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Just thank the Lords of Kobol Lucas isn't scripting, which is probably what would have happened if Koepp's script got thrown out. Why didn't he hire him for Episodes II and III? Surely ANY screenplay would have been better than Lucas's for those movies.
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...and I mispelled my name so you don't suspect a thing.
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Can someone help me with this reference (Kurt Russell was laughing)? I know it must be from a recent Grindhouse story, but can someone clarify?
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Meh.
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I know i'm fifth THIS time! My internet connection better not play up last last time and i end up posting "Fifth, bitches!" when actually i'm 145th or some shit. recognize, bitches!
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Do yourselves a favor, go out and rent it. Please refrain from commenting on LeBouf anymore till you do. Thanks.
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Someone had to say it!
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That's right! And deep inside you all know it!
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That's awesome. Almost as cool as the black Alfred telling Batman that his suit is "Slammin!"
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Indiana Jones had a DAUGHTER, as evidenced by the "Old Indy" segments on The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles. Wait, what's that? The Old Indy segments won't be on the upcoming DVDs? HISTORY REVISIONS! IT'S STAR WARS SPECIAL EDITIONS ALL OVER AGAIN!
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lucas and the boys are over looking one of the best things about raiders KAREN ALLEN. She must be a real bitch or hard to work with because she is a great actress and we never see her. maybe she pissed off the wrong person? I real shame I'd love to see hear in the new indy
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thats what people are saying anyway he is talented from what ive seen from him so far
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Giving Indiana a son is probably an awful idea, but if they *have* to cast someone in the role, they could have done a lot worse.
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Why God....why?!?
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And watch...it'll show up somehow in his SNL gig tomorrow. Seriously, I don't care if he's a good actor or not, he sure as hell hasn't done anything to be SNL host-worthy (is that an oxymoron, though?). I'm reminded of an old Dennis Miller line back (before he went all righ-wing...mid 90s, when another star's hype was absurdly outpacing his actual body of work: "Matthew McConaughey is without a doubt the most gifted, talented actor of our generation. I have no idea who he is."
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The villain and Indiana Jones' taint....It is still not known whether or not the role of the taint will go to Shia Labeouf.
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He's made some good movies in the last 20 years.
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Oops.
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now EVERYONE will go see it. Good move, Spielberg.
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and when it's confirmed that it is true that a son plays any sort of significant role in this film I will consider this project officially doomed. I'm trying with all of my might to imagine how a son would work without being annoying and by God I cannot think of one way. I don't fucking care if the son is a ninja bad ass, he will still be painfully annoying. What also gives me pause is the casting of Labeouf as the son, hes still far too "kiddie" to be able to make the son an intellectual equal to Ford or Connery, not to mention he looks absolutely nothing like either of them. MAYBE it would fly if you had an actor like Ryan Gosling, someone with the quiet intensity to match Fords, but otherwise it looks like Indy 4 is already a turkey.....fuck.
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"uh, okay Harrison, thanks, we'll take it from here"
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Apr 13, 2007 11:56:51 AM CDT
And Mori it's nice that you are being diplomatic but...
by industrykiller!
It's pretty obvious how you feel about this. You Aren't stupid and you know that you have reason to be weary of Spielberg and outright negative toward a Lucas so past his prime he probably doesn't remember making American Graffiti. There is no way this film can work with a son tagging along, those involved simply do not have the ability to pull off something that has never been done before. Especially with Labeouf playing the character. He is absolutely not a bad actor, I wish him a bright future, but the only way a son could swing it is if he was older than Labeouf is and has the edge and sort of sarcastic wit that Harrison Ford has. That simply isn't who Labeouf is. I can't imagine any of this is lost on you Mori, so yeah we are a little older and wiser around here and maybe hesitant to condemn something outright but when something so obviously bad comes to light I think it should be outrightly condemned.
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In what universe does Shia look more like a young Indy than River Phoenix? Does Harrison Ford look swarthy and Jewish? Besides the perfect casting, River Phoenix's performance as young Indy was untouchable down to the subtlest imitations of Ford's expressions. Believe me, if River hadn't gone batshit insane and then gotten stupid with the drugs, he would have been the finest actor of our generation. Shia is NO River Phoenix.
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I'm a bit ambivalent about LaBoeuf as yet, but I still haev faith in Ford. I agree with the TBer who said that el Speilbergo is at the top of his game, and if you want my opinion, LUCAS WANTS FANBOY LOVE AGAIN. People will say he doesn't give a shit, but any writer will tell you they all want love. This may be one of Lucas's last films -- he doesn't want it fucked up. He's heard your bitching about Star Wars. I reckon they'll pull this together. Here's my only advice -- only use CGI where absolutely necessary. Too much CGI will kill the magic, dude.
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Here's hoping Shia will NOT be Indy's son. Maybe he'll be one of Indy's students who stows away on the airplane Indy travels on. This stuff writes itself...
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Throw me the whip!!! Awwww yeahhhhhhh, B!!
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market. I'm all for a an old geezer Indiana, plenty of scope to run with the whole premise of an ageing hero there(including a relationship with his estranged progeny). Just as long as Lucas does'nt go 'Jaa Jaa' ;-0
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"but the only way a son could swing it is if he was older than Labeouf is and has the edge and sort of sarcastic wit that Harrison Ford has."
They shoot these things from scripts. Every seen Ford on a talk show? He's almost autistic. Indy, like Han Solo, is a role and Ford played it great. But I don't think there's any REAL Ford in there.
Having kids who watched a shitload of "Even Stevens" in the day, I'm no fan of Shia myself, but he is maturing and can probably pull off whatever they give him. If they write him sharp and sarcastic, so be it. -
Maybe it was when Indy was in the black sleep of the Kali Ma. They were in that caged prison for awhile you know.
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you all knew it
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... today news article???? i'm disappointed.
The crucial point isn't Shia but the role he is set to play. But as jokes about SHIA seem to be easier and more focused than about A ROLE...it all rains down on him. Unfortunately.
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Apr 13, 2007 12:35:01 PM CDT
Shia's role? Contributing to the shittiness of the film
by dorothys taint again
I mean, does any Indy fan really want to see the film that seems to be developing here? VIVA LA TAINT!!
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*crosses fingers*
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This is terrible news if true. He is one of the most annoying actors on screen today. He plays the same character over and over. His acting is also over the top, how dear lord is this guy popular....
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No! No! No! ...he doesn't? You don't even JOKE about something like this.
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I remember in that Disney Channel series he did his mouth looked very odd...moving in weird directions.
How did he become the in-demand guy all of a sudden?
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Guys, do we really need an Indy 4? You know it will never live up to expectations. Can't we just have the nice little compact trilogy we have? Who the fuck wants to see a geriatric Indy anyway? This is the prequels all over again. You must see this.
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I don't mean that in a "all old peopel are useless" way, either. And forget about Shia for a moment, too. I loved the Indy movies growing up. Raiders was and probably always will be my favorite film of all time. I enjoy TOD and LC despite their flaws, warts, moles, etc. because I enjoy the adventure in each film. i enjoy Harrison as the embodiment of the Indy character. I'm just not sure I want to see a movie where Indy has gotten old and isn't like the one in the existing films. The concept of "what if in this story Indy is older, disenchanted, whatever" is intriguing and in a graphic novel format woukd defintiely be something I'd buy. But I just don't feel like this movie is needed anymore. Not since the early 90's. Shia La Birth is not the problem here, fans, it's that this movie is being made at all now. If I didn't have the fondness in my heart for the existing movies and the Indy character, I suppose it'd be a hell of a lot easier to just let this movie come out, show me what it's got and move along. And no doubt there's many people that do feel that way. There sure are about the transformers. I wanted another Indy movie the way things were 15 years ago, not now. I guess, in the end, all this means is I'll have pretty low expectations that GL and SS shouldn't have too much trouble meeting.
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part which causes the stir, much more so than what his role is. The people who rail against him with jokes don't give a shit if he has a 2 second walk-on as an extra, the fact that he's in the film is enough to be disgruntled about. I can't say it stirs any excitement in me, either.
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hell yeah
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Indiana Jones In Name Only!
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Bullshit, there is some of eevry actor in any role he plays. Harrison Ford may come off as a bit of a hard as, but the way he portrays chracters shows that he actually has a sense of humor and isn't afraid to poke fun at himself. Besides Harrison Ford is good, but hes no Daniel Day Lewis character actor completely transforming from role to role. There are some actors that you just wont buy in certain roles. Like Ashton Kutcher for instance, who can't play anything. Labeouf is fine for what he has done so far, but lets not go sucking his dick just yet. I mean c'mon. I know hes like 21 but he has a boyishness that he is just not ready to shake at this time. And if the character was written as being alot like Indy, they wouldn't have hired Labeouf in the first place, they would have hirede someone more naturally like Harrison Ford, believe it or nott hat's how casting works in Hollywood. Nope what we are getting here is less the Sean Connery equal and more the typical sidekick. Which is EXACTLY what this film does not need. And with Spielberg pandering to his audiences more and more in his mainstream films (War of the Worlds and minority Report) and Lucas the reigning overlord of hackdom I have no reason to expect anything else and neither do you.
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that is all
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I've been waiting for this since 89, I don't even care who's in it.
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I mean, if it's not up to snuff? Oh, my office mate says "because it's just a movie. Get over it."
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Or the noisy neighbor kid who always has his radio turned up "so loud"? Perhaps he'll be the volunteer in the home that comes to read to him once a week. Bah, who cares anymore.
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He came out of nowhere and played the Teenie-sidekick in some big F/X movies of the last years and now seems to be Spielbergs best friends, because he stars in two Dreamworks productions (One of them is even one of the biggest films of the year) and Indy 4, while other and even better actors of his generation (Like Joseph Gordon-Levitt)have to work hard for their fame and play only in films with limited release, that go straight to DVD in most of the world.
This, and because we are a bunch of internet-douchebags who are not scared of letting the world know what our opninion is(or what the world should think is our opinion, because most of the time it isn't and we are just playing the cool kids who hate everything), until Jay & Silent Bob knock on our door and beat the shit out of us. -
Just like Copolla included his father in The Godfather saga, Stephen Spielberg will include himself in the movie as someone who the old Indy told his story to thereby inspiring him to make the Indy series, he will be played by Shia.
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I think this movie is a major step backwards for Lucas, Spielberg, and Ford. What's the point for doing it? To make money? They're already loaded. To revive the franchise? No way; it's a one-shot, given Ford's age. To revive Ford's career? See above. To have fun? Hookers and booze will do the trick. To make an artistic statement? It's an Indy film, not an indie film. This is a COMPLETE waste of time for these guys. Lucas and Spielberg should go back to that beach in Hawaii where they thought up "Raiders" and come up with a new idea.
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Yes, I was one of many who doubted (wishfully) that Mori's initial report was wrong. OK, Mori was right, but the casting is still WRONG WRONG WRONG. Then again, the only thing I've seen this clown in is EVEN STEVENS. He's easily the LEAST likable of the teen-aged Disney Channel stars. What, Zak Efron's too busy?!? I'd even take the Sprouse twins - they could play Short Blonde. Can ya tell I've got two kids at THAT age?!?
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Apr 13, 2007 1:32:22 PM CDT
tom_joad, SHUT UP and stop giving them bad ideas
by dorothys taint again
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I know why he had to lie, but what a liar.
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for his "everyman" quality. Does that mean Hanks in the crappy Money Pit-Tall Man With One Shoe Whatever '80s movie phase, or his ultra successful '90s movie phase, cuz a few supporting roles in a few movies...uhhh..I ain't seein' it.
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The bit in "Regarding Henry" where he carries on talking as he doesn't realise he's been shot in the head... that is fantastically done, brilliantly directed, brilliantly acted... Ford can act. PS "whinge moan why can't I get a role like this little Shia dude he's a lucky shit" etc yawn fuck off and go to acting classes, then maybe you whingers will stand a chance of being as successful as this lad. Best of luck to him.
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oisin - Why a personal attack? You can't just disagree, I see. Go check indianajones.com, and look at some of the pics of Shia. He looks like he could be a kid of Indiana Jones. I never said River Phoenix wasn't a great actor, or wasn't great in Last Crusade. I love all the Indiana Jones flicks, and fully support the creative team that has made a lot of fun, entertaining movies. If Shia puts the hat on, he will look a lot like Indy - and since River couldn't keep it together - I guess we'll never see his further Indy adventures.
And why bring "Swarthy and Jewish" into it? I'm surprised by the amount of dislike for a young actor because he has had some success recently and happens to be jewish - so what - is that new in Hollywood?! If you've seen some of his movies, you might realize that the kid can act. While I'd rather see this movie be more solo Indy, than Indy and family - I'll take what I can get, becuase Raiders, Temple, Last Crusade, and the Young Indy series entertained me. That is why I go to movies... Been looking forward to it for 20 years, and still looking forward to it. -
I am not a fan of Shia, but he seems like a perfctly abled young actor. Personally I thought this was a bad idea from the start...but I'll still check it out. Also, BSB....how many nappy head jokes coan you run to the ground? it's lame...really lame.
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I guess he's probably a fine human being in real life but I'm the only person in the world who happens to hate everything he's ever been in, save Bosom Buddies and Saving Private Ryan. I can't take another generation of that. If they make a sequel to Forrest Gump, there will be blood. Oh yes, there will be blood.
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I'm sure Spielberg and Lucas want to promote fellow Jews in Hollywood, and they're pushing this kid on us. Not that every other group of people don't help out their own, too - black actors/directors/producers promoting other black professionals; if there were any Asians in Hollywood they would probably do the same. And the Man makes sure most of what I see is a lighter shade of white, or at the very worst, ecru.
And Spielberg also forced us to endure Kate Crapshaw's performance because he had an affair with her. So we already know his professional judgment takes a backseat to his peronsal feelings.
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...Not that you give a shit. This is more an issue of Shia being in Transformers (the most hated TBer movie for some odd reason), and the sequel possibly containing an Indiana Jones son in the story. Shia's roles in I, Robot, Constantine, and Charlie's Angels are a non factor. Small roles. His performance in Disturbia was awesome (although the move has third act problems galore)... finally a grown up role, and these days he no longer looks like a scrawny 14 year old. So cut the shit. TBers would be pissed by ANYONE taking on the role of Indy's son. With exception to River Phoenix, but that's not going to happen.
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It's really hard for Jews to break through that glass ceiling and make it in Tinsel-Town. You'd have better luck finding a black man in the NBA or a white Christian in the White House.
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This movie will rule.
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It's true.
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IT'S THE UP AND COMING ACTOR THAT GROWS!!!
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... and TBers heard that there will be a prequel sequence with a young Indy as an eagle scout (or whatever he was) who finds a treasure, runs through a moving train where he develops his fear of snakes and gets his chin scar by fighting a lion, and then escapes by jumping into a magic escape box prop, YOU'D ALL BE PISSING AND MOANING JUST LIKE YOU ARE RIGHT NOW.
But the fact is, somehow, that sequence was actually one of the best parts of the trilogy. Yeah, casting had a lot to do with it too in River's case, but come on... let's be honest... you'd be bitching and moaning no matter who was cast.
My point? Sit back and wait for the movie. Have a little faith in A) Spielberg, the director who has made the most loved movies of your childhood and some compelling ones in recent times as well, and B) The combo of Spielberg, Ford, and Lucas... all of whom wouldn't be making this flick unless the script was spot on, honoring the main character that they clearly love, etc. Yeah, Ford and Lucas have been blah as of late. But consider Spielberg the failsafe. He wouldn't take on this flick if there wasn't a great story to tell. If they were all just doing it for the money or whatever, it would have been made YEARS ago. YEARS AGO.
So sit back, pluck your panties out of your asses, and have a little faith. You may not think an Indy IV needs to be made... but it is. At the very least, maybe it will be a fun throughback action adventure ride watching an iconic character on the big screen for one last time. Hey, it can't be any worse than Temple of Doom. -
There's a new Transformers TV spot in which Prime speaks and somehow it doesn't even sound like Cullen.
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A-FUCKING-MEN to that!
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If he goes to Australia and Antarctica in the next film then his continent hopping on film will be complete!!! (This is based on the recognition of 7 continents which I believe not everyone does.)
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it does. temple of doom has not held up but short round was excellent. labeuf sucks and i knew who he was for years, ever since holes. he does not need to be in this film and i hope to the gods mcweeny is still wrong on this one. plus labeuf sucked as the voice over in one of my favorite animation films nausicca, and he sucked in whatever else he was in. now i have 2 indiana jones films that are good and probly 2 that are eh.
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The kid's got some chops and is getting good reviews for his latest stuff.
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Strange-IMDB has him listed as a stunt rigger on the first XMen
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It's amazing that we live in an age where in order to get someone to believe in something, all you have to do is repeat it over and over again. Now Shia Labeouf is not a bad actor, but by whose estimation is he becoming one of the titans of his generation? Hollywood publicists thats who. They pay articles to print story after story of "Actor X has been impressing the industry for some time" and before you know it you have people chiming in about how this kid really has what it takes to be great and how theya ctually believe he could be the next Tom Hanks blah blah blah. The kid has been the sidekick in a bunch of bad genre films, on a Disney TV show, and a decent performance in an indy flick where let's face it, the more interesting parts were the perpheral characters. Now i am not slagging the kid, but lets get ahold of ourselves here. No one thought neither here nor there about his acting until he was cast in Transformers, a role in which he plays, guess what, the kind of dorky everykid who is in over his head. it was the same thing with Colin Farell (the new bad boy!) and Ashton Kutcher (the new...umm..annoying guy!) before him. This overexposure and hype might be making some bucks for rich white men in Hollywood, but it has absolutely no bearing on reality and could ultimately be detrimental to his career.
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That is insanity. It's easily the worst. Indy's not even the same charcater as in the other two. in Raiders and Crusade he's a first and foremost a scientist and a preservationist. Temple's "fortune and glory" Indy makes me want to barf up chilled monkey brains.
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NOT the best out of the 3, but I was catering to TBers hate of Temple. Fact is, Temple and Crusade both had their issues, BUT we still loved watching Indiana Jones do his thing. Will be the same for Indy IV. It'll be nice to see where Indy is and what he's up against.
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Indy IV just went down several notches in terms of anticipation. Why does Spielberg like this guy? He always plays the same whiny character.
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When Sunni LaBeouf finds out about this its gonna be Jihad time!
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NO WAY. You guys are insane.Raiders of the Lost Ark will ALWAYS be the crowing achievement of the series. It's one of the most flawless movies ever made.The End. Case Closed.Do. Not. Debate. Me. On. This.
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Or crowing. You know, whichever you prefer.Case Closed.
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Starring SHIA LaBEOUF as JACOB!!!
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His roles in big budget high concept fare like I,Robot, Constantine and the like are not a non factor.And as many have stated, in their opinion, he brought nothing to those roles. Indiana Jones for all the pedigree, is still a big budget, high concept movie, and based on his past performances, its not a good sign. I haven't seen "Saints", and have heard good things about Disturbia, so the question is not whether he is a good actor or not, its what he can bring to a role that is cast to "type".Because basically thats what the Jones films are, characters that are based on a type (sidekick, ingenue, professor, etc.), its what the actors contribute to those roles.
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Whoever created it here at TBs was a genius. If someone says stop bitching, then they're just as bad as the the people bitching. Love it.
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But in my eyes it wasn't that he didn't bring anything to those roles. It was that the scripts didn't offer that character anywhere to go. They were small parts and meant for a certain plot device. You could have put whatever young actor you love in those roles and they still would have been near pointless besides being a plot device. It was like Natalie Portman in MARS ATTACKS... frackin' talented as hell actress, but it was just a NOTHING role. I agree with your point though.
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You figered me out.
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I can't believe there is even a debate. Raiders is a cinematic masterpiece. Temple is not only a sharp departure from character for Indy but it's also RACIST. The way Indians are portrayed in that movie I have to think is pretty offensive to that community. The movie has some great action and some humorous stuff but the stuff mentioned above and for GOD'S SAKE, Spielberg's future wife running around shrieking like a banshee the whole movie, puts Temple at third best.
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Yeah, it's a no-win argument. That's why I said it was genius. But it doesn't skip the fact that I'm just voicing a viewpoint just like you are. It's a stupid argument, but it works. We just disagree and the best thing people can come up with is that argument rather than saying, "Hey, actually, this is why I'm bitching and..."
I think it's stupid because it dodges the actual topic. It's like if we were on the playground and I said "Tony, you're a poo-poo head"... and then you said "Yeah, well, you're a poo-poo head."
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Harrison Ford is half jewish, Goldie Hawn is half too... put them together what a wrinkly skinned has been jew!
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The young indy train sequence, the speedboat chase in Venice, the motorcycle chase (my GOD the motorcycle chase), the biplane chase, the tank chase..these are all ass-kicking and VERY memorable dude.
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That IS crazy. I think it's more of a Temple vs. Crusade. Crusade wins that one in my eyes.
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Awww....I sure hope there's a scene like in Indy 2 where Harrison walks close right up to his lil sidelike (uncomfortably close) and lifts his poor sad lil droopy chin...only for Shia to eagerly felate his kindly senior!!!! I hear that kid can suck a golfball thro' a straw. Kisses!!!
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When Indy is all cocky and tries to kill the guys with his gun like he did in Raiders but, oops, the gun is gone. Cut to indy running around the corner for his life. JEEN. YUS.
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Cmon now,..We all know Raiders is the one.But ToD vs Last Crusade,?..your crackin pookie.
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eliminate any goodwill he has earned from filmgoers.
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Temple of Doom and Last Crusade are just typical sequels, that upon repeat viewings don't hold up nearly as well as the original. Most sequels are like this, as time passes, the original only get better like Back to the Future, Terminator, Superman, Jurassic Park, and the sequels are just that....sequels. Although Empire Strikes Back is the only sequel that I truly think is a great movie from this genre.
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and Timberlake first guest hosted on SNL and people thought..WTF!!! Then they rocked the joint..Well, just saying Shia better bring his A game Saturday, because all the haters need is a little more fuel..
Oh and Raiders is the better movie of the two, but the increased budget made for better set pieces in Temple.The Obi Wan nightclub scene is masterfully edited. Remember back in 80 Raiders was a fairly low budget film by todays standards, specially after the money that was thrown at Spielberg for 1941. -
In the end, we're all "poo-poo" heads. Okay, I think that marks the first time that phrase has been used in a TB. Suck balls? Fucker? Asshole? Dipshit? All pail in comparison to poo poo head.
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I've met many Indians (Ghandi not Sitting Bull) being in the DC area and some have found it offensive ans others haven't. But for what's it worth I agree with you on the poverty thing. And I hope they wiped their asses on your friend's Samosas. That's pretty assanine.
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..."Raiders" did not waste its time speaking out against child slavery. It was too busy speaking out about how to KICK MAJOR ASS!!!
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God help us all.
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I agree with you 100% on the Raiders scene, but Temple has some amazing stuff. The bridge scene and the mine car scene are pretty amazing, but the truck Raiders was a REAL stunt which wil lalways make it the greatest.
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Yay?
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all of the villagers are poor nameless masses looking to the great white hope and the others are a bunch of crazy Westernized psychos involved in a crazy religious cult.
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The only real memorable moment for me in Temple. That and when Indy sticks his fist out from the booby-trapped chamber and says, "Do it, NOW!".
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the opening one.
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...of the Chronicles? It was a stupid ass story opening, that ended with a bearded Indy/Ford playing a trombone (sp?) or something... BUT, it was cool as hell seeing Ford as Indy again. Granted that was just a few years after Crusade... but still. THAT is why I'm looking for to Indy IV. Just seeing Indy on the bigscreen again.
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not to mention portraying them as bloodthirsty freaks that rip people's heart out of their chests.
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The Bridge Scene and especially the mine cart race (the greatest chase scene ever) top anything in in Raiders.
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Who in the HELL made this kid famous!? Does this Colin Farrell wannabe REALLY have to rape EVERY childhood memory we have?! First Transformers, now Indy!
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.....ANYTHING GOES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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issue if the female character or the Short Round character had been an Indian person who was not insane and/or poor. I mean the Salah character was cool and bridged this sort of thing - see? Problem eliminated.
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Willie Scott was just so dang annoying.
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truck scene in Raiders. Film at 11.
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Marcus's grandson Adrian
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Not really. Salah wasn't even in Temple and he wasn't an Indian.
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I mean come on! I know it's not a race, but ALL NAZI'S ARE EVIL???? What kind of world do we live in today where someone can be judged based merely on the swastika they wear??
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Actually as a person of German heritage, I do have a bit of a problem with Germans in movies and television always being portrayed as Nazis or Neo-Nazis.
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the whole white water rapid scene was bad blue screen, and spielbergs wife sucked in that scene, other than that the movie was good. the opening was good. and spielbergs wifes tits were nice during the bridge sequence. but that blue screen killed it for me the last time i watched it, i bet i'll aprreciate it next time but i have to watchit first and then raiders, like its time sequence, cause i watched it after raiders and it just couldn't compare.
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That likes Temple of Doom? People who Like TOD sound off!
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it's funny how Christopher Lloyd hasn't aged at all in 20 years, yet Harrison Ford aged twice as fast in that same amount of time
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But I rank it third. Still like though.
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Love Temple. Just not as much as the other two.
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and they just un thaw anew ne for every movie. he never ages at all.
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Sorry
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like the no ticket scene and when hitler autographs the book and salah punching the guy in the face, the birds and the plane, the pole in the motorcycle wheel, the hot nazi chick and when indy was gonna chop that knights templar guy up in the motor and and by the way did shias shirt really say 'where's the beuf' or did it say beef? i assumed it said beef. on that snl teaser.
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I can't spell
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KIDDING! I see what you mean, though. You're right. But in my eyes, I don't see it as racist at all, as far as steroetypes in movies using whatever race. They're characters being used in the context of a story that needs a nazi, or a poor Indian village, or a gangsta type african american, or a white racist southerner, etc. Calling it racist is just too much.
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Thats easily the best one out of the series. Why? Let me explain:
They created the series as a throw back to the 40s and 50s adventure films. An adventurer would travel to places nobody has even been to and show the audience an exaggerated and exotic world. THATS why they protrayed indians the way they did, not to be racist but to keep with the series genre. -
Like that Chinese old guy in Lethal Weapon 4 & the old guy in Revenge of the Nerds 2 that mentors Booger....those are like the only two old asian dudes they put in EVERY single movie LOL! Now Shia is in every single movie. Good for him...I dont mind him at all...but I hope he doesnt get the old Chinese guy treatment and becomes the "default young white guy" in every movie, thats not good for him.
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SHIA LABEOUF IS A NAPPY-HEADED HO!
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Harry and AICN's reviewers blow.
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Raiders - a French Archeologist (snore), Crusade - greedy gramps Walter Donovan (snore), or Temple - Satan incarnated who rips peoples hearts from their chests. Temple is the best movie largely because it has one of the best and most underated villains in cinema history
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BR09_Zu-xP4
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1st: age factor for indy
2nd: that kid's getting way too much exposure way too fast
3rd: i'll see transformers but not because of the kid -- GIANT ROBOTS!
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That's just it though. It's perpetuating stereotypes, which by their very nature limit reality.
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He and Connery drank from the Grail in Last Crusade and now they are immortal.
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but shouldnt care about dying cause he knows that jesus and god and crap all exist cause he saw the ark and he met a knight thats 500 years old.
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Just because they are not intending to be racist doesn't make it any less so. 40's and 50's adventure films were themselves racist so of course even an homage is going to be. The original King Kong's unga bunga natives were racist and Peter Jackson, in remaking it, practically demonized them. It's nto that I don't love these films, its just a reality that shouldn't be ignored.
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I doubt that they'll have two sidekicks in this movie. Now that we know Shia's in it, I wonder if Ray Winstone will be a baddie.
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You're correct on the seal but Jewish Spielberg might have a problem with Jesus as messiah actually existing. Stick to the old testament there buddy. ;-)
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That's hilarious.
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Off to the Chinese theater everbody. Who's with me?!......Guys?.......Um, guys?..................(crickets chirping)
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just people who buy tickets and love movies and want to keep them sacred not ruined by quickly made bad descisions so they can make an extra buck, like toning down violence for the kids or adding a younger character for the kids or making things less racial for the kids. in conclusin, masterhaters rule, kids suck.
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Not so short....Even MORE round.
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... as far as crying racism. So if I'm writing a script, and it's set in South L.A., and most of the african american characters are wearing hip-hop loose clothing, etc. then it's being racist? No. It's reality. That's a majoirty of what you see. I know what you're saying, overall. I'm just saying that stereotypes unfortunetly exist for a reason. It is a grand part of the reality of things. Should EVERY character of whatever race be portrayed in said stereotypes... hell no. I agree with you on that. And yeah, it does happen. But it also gets sensationalized quite a bit when people cry racism (ala my above 24 example).
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valid points...though to use your South LA example, I'm pretty sure not all Black people in that area wear loose hip hop clothing but stereotypes have given you that picture in your head. But you're right, that is at least keeping things in context. Now if they are all gangmembers, then you're starting to get into more damaging stereotypes. And let me just add that not all stereotypes are bad. I mean there are worse things for Black men than the stereotype that they all have enormous cocks. Am I right?
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actor William Mapother in talks to play "Ethan", the son of Doom baddie Mola Rom
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Sweet!
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That is one awesome memory! How long ago was that? Also, can we still pull up that BS story, or has it been deleted (all talkbackers must read that)!
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Thats pretty funny. They should totally play it out in the new movie, have Indy go to meet beouf-aroni in some seedy dive bar called the Anna-Kin.
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the Anal Bum Cover for $1000
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that Shia is playing Marcus's grandson as has been suggested above. He is a MUCH closer fit for a relation of Marcus than he is for Indy and could actually fill that hole quite nicely. Let us pray.
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that might make me like the movie again, as long as he DOES NOT go out on the adventure with indy, and at the end he meets up with ms ravenwood again. that would be the best way to go out, i think.
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http://i70.photobucket.com/albums/i112/ratkenrat/indi4a
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Can't get behind this casting. This guys comes off as such an obnoxious jerk in interviews. See the Leno interview when he was promoting his golf movie or most recently, his appearance on KROQ in L.A. this past week. Self inflated ego nerd.
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As much as I love Cate Blanchett, I don't want to see her in an Indy film any more than I want to see this annoying kid. Sean Connery and River Phoenix fit into the franchise well because Ford picked up the torch of the Manly Action Franchise Hero from Connery, and because Phoenix did a dead-on impression of Ford as Indy. They were both no-brainer choices, and outside of them, pretty much every other lead and supporting actor in the franchise brought very little history with them, which made it much, much easier to focus on the main character and the main character's story. Now they're tossing in one of the most highly-regarded Oscar-winning actresses in history, and an annoying kid that every action director seems to think we need to see. All these new "name" cast members will be are distractions in a movie that's supposed to be about Indiana Jones. So, who's it going to be next? Kevin Spacey as the main villain? Sean Penn in a cameo as a riverboat pilot? That's about on par with Lucas's STUPID decision to cast 'names' in the Star Wars prequels. I do not want to go to a Star Wars movie and see fucking Samuel L. Jackson running around with a lightsaber. What happened to the practice of casting little-known theater actors in Lucas/Spielberg films? Do they think an Indy film isn't going to open big if there aren't enough familiar faces in it? FUCK these guys! They kill everything they touch, now.
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and was a great supporting character and one of the good guys balancing the portrayal of Egyptians in the movie.
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cultural stereotypes naturally people from that culture will be offended. Racism implies is has to do with skin color and not culture.
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Too bad it was another case of a British actor in brown face playing an Indian. Colonialism at its best! Not that I don't like JRD. Or the character. Just pointing out the flaw in the argument.
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LOST WORLD has a pretty good cast. And you're right folks, no egocentric jerk should ever be allowed to score a part in a film I care about. The whole cast and crew should consist of nice and friendly people.
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of the waning British Empire. So what? It was not a negative stereotype of Egyptians.
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putting family members in sequels is a BAD idea? ... but what about The Mummy Returns and The Mark of Zorro.. they introduced adventurous, reflective-of-their-father sons and look how they turned out!
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It should be pretty clear at this point.
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I can't wait to see how Lucas and Spielberg integrate all kinds of dumb CGI shit into the movie to make it look nothing like the originals. Here's a list of possibilities:
1. 'Whip time'.
2. The SPR strobe effect that has infected every action film made since.
3. Macro shots of wood fibers cracking inside a branch, a la Fincher, as Indy's extra poundage breaks a branch while swinging.
4. That 360-degree aerial camera shit they use in the Spider-Man movies when Indy swings, or like Wolvie flipping around the Statue of Liberty's crown in X-Men.
5. Totally CGI Indy used in digitally rendered action shots, a la Daredevil, Spider-Man and Superman Returns.
6. Digitally manipulated stock footage of Denholm Elliot inserted into scenes featuring Marcus, a la Gladiator and The Sopranos.
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would never be a goddamn midget! what is he 5'5?
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Because you can never have a non-white person as a villain. Choad.And Last Crusade was just slapstick.
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nice one, krak. I'd be more interested to see Indy IV if that were going to be the case. Perhaps they could use the new "Optimus" voice of Cullen's to voive melted Toht?
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I love all the films, but Raiders puts them all in their place. The Truck Chase is perhaps one of the all-time great action sequences in film history. And, as someone said, Indy is vulnerable, but still unstoppable. Not to mention the credit that must be given to John Williams' score for that scene. A-fuckin-MAZING. The mine car chase in TOD was "fun" but certainly required more suspension of disbelief. Plus it's just more "confined" than the truck chase. You can't cut somebody off in a mine car. It's got it's gritty moments where the thuggee on the tracks gets smashed by the car behind him and they all go sailing off the cliff. But I've had as much fun on the Indiana JOnes ride in DIsneyland as I do watching this scene. Maybe more. I'm just being nit-picky because I still enjoy that scene, but there's just no comparison in any other film to the Raiders Truck Chase. For best song in an Indy flick, okay, I give it to TOD because, well, anything goes. Plus psycho Shanghai mobsters with machine guns is kinda fun. We're not sinking, we're crashing!! I dunno.
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Was like a precurser to Anakin's "Yipeeee!" or "That's wizard!"
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Let's hope Shia repeats this one in Indy IV
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Indy gets greedy.
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Don't come up here!
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Dr. Jones grows frustrated with WIllie's constant demands to play with his willie.
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taught. Marion loves the backhanded compliment
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used to. Nobody tells Marion what to do in her place. Or do they?
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And this accounts for the holes which were dug all....uh...around the....um.
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Abner's dead. Does Indy know how much she learned to hate him in the last ten years.
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or something.
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I am the monarch of the seas! I am the ruler of the-
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Indy get's frustrated with Belloq's forceful sexual demeanor?
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The truck chase in ROTLA knocks your socks off.
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Hahahahaha! you sonufabitch.
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Indy goes first cuz Sallah's a puss.
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Shut Up, Ackroyd!
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Anyone remember that cartoon? ¬
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no? But they might giant have flying wing planes! Chop a bald Nazi up in one today and get your very own MECHANIC'S WRENCH free! (Explosive gasoline truck not included)
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Truck? What truck?
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I think this Indy quote sums it all up quite nicely.
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you guys better not fuck up new Indy the way "new" Star Wars got screwed. Right int he ass, just the way BSB said before that he wanted to do Shia. ;)
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Mostly remember how wide the kid's face got when he morphed into "car mode." Shia reminds me of "Animal" from mupet babies. Speaking of which, maybe Bay will get Howie Mandel to voice one of his giant robots. Starscream hasn't been cast yet, has he!?
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== Jar Jar Binks in Star Wars 4V
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oh, nee hi and say nih Oh neeth an neethan oh, nee hi and say nih Oh move no sand away! Is that seriously the words of Sallah's song. I've always wondered. And yeah, if I were picking best song seriously " as serious as it can be, right?) I'd probably go with Sallah's song outside the Bantu Wind, followed by the one that is interrupted by "Bad Dates."
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one of the best written. And it is! The other two films just aren't as good, the objects of pursuit are not as cool.
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Hahah.
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Not a bad sterotype at all.
BUT, I've been through South LA in the evening and I must say, the sterotypes are spot on. It's a culture thing obviously, the hip-hop generation gangsta shit. But we agree... as long as its in context of a story.
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we're all getting fired up that a second-rate hack from 'holes' and 'xformers' is showing up in a third-rate sequel about 12 years too late. puh-lease. this project has an alarmclock attached to it- when it rings, it'll implode (inside of 6 months- watch) and never get made.
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as Indy, he has not aged well.
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We all know why that would be wrong. Not that there's anything wrong with it. But it would be wrong.
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Apr 13, 2007 10:16:19 PM CDT
Next: Indiana Jones vs. That Guy From National Treasure
by jackpumpkinhead
(Yeah, I don't remember That Guy's name, either.) This dolt's presence will most likely be just the first step on the path of turning Indy into a pile of crap. Oh, and would you look at that pathetic soot stain under his nose in the photo? Jesus.
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Mark my words: Shia will be Young Indiana in some flashback moments that open the movie, ala Last Crusade.
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Since Dreamworks is one of the studios involced with Disturbia, and Shia is in Disturbia, isn't it possible that this whole rumor/not rumor/rumor/oh, he's in Indy IV was just a cheap publicity scam. It kept him in the press adding visibility to Disturbia, and plus the Transformers rub off is obvious as well. Dreamworks played y'all for suckers. He was always going to be in it; they just wanted some freakin buzz about Shia.
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films? He looks like he is having mobility problems, like bad knees or joint pain.
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Class room setting. "But Professor Jones, how do you know anything about adventure?" "Listen, kid, I've got some news for you. Adventure has a new name, and it's Shia Lebeouphfgh."
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Shia is pushing the wheelchair, and Ford is Raymond Burr. "Kid, push me into the tomb. I need to solve this mystery. And kid...thanks." "Sure, Professor Jones." "Hey kid...call me Indy." "Certainly, Prof---er, Indy." They exchange smiles, and Shia shoves the wheelchair into the tomb, and the chair rolls away from him. As Indy careens toward a certain death, he pulls out his whip and tries to raise his arm to crack it...and his rheumatoid arthritis makes that impossible. Adventure has a new name, and that name is...aiyeee.
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but that took place before raiders, so when he realized how good it fealt to save all those ugly kids he had a change of heart and realized he would do all his adventurin for the museum cause thats the right thing to do
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http://tinyurl.com/3bfxmy
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is the inventor of the hip replacement?
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Nothing personal against the guy, but I just don't wanna have to see him in the movies I wanna watch! Damn. Why don't they cast Hillary Duff to play Indy's daughter too, while they're at it?? :P If he's a minor, minor, minor character who appears for about as much screen time as he did in I, Robot... I might be tolerant.
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RAPERS OF MY CHILDHOOD, spielberg and lucas IF YOU FUCKING FUCK UP THIS MOVIE YOU ARE SO OUT OF TOUCH THAT YOU WILL MAKE A GROWN MAN CRY. MOTHERFUCKERS, I DO NOT WANT TO WATCH SHIA LEARN A LESSON OR COME OF AGE IN A MOTHERFUCKING INDY MOVIE. JUST GIVE ME A HALF CRIPPLED FORD (ANYONE SEE FUCKING "FIREWALL"?) AND STEP THE FUCK OFF.
can i say fuck here? -
It's, like, whooosh!
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Shia must be f*ing Spielberg's daughter or something.
Don't believe me, just connect the dots...
Transformers- Producer- Spielberg
Indy 4- Director- Spielberg
Disturbia- Dreamworks- Spielberg
I rest my case!!! -
by making this talkback not as funny and entertaining than those of the previous years.
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They used the same with River Phoenix. Maybe they will use Shia in the same way to set some storyline that has plagued Indy for years. Have it set in the beginning of the movie. Make it short and sweet. Then let the true Indiana Jones take care of the rest.Just hoping for the impossible I know. I have nothing against the actor but he just doesn't seem to that good of an actor and personally don't think he will hold his own against the others.
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and The Retirement Home of Doom! An evil geriatric doctor has stolen all the viagara out of Indy's retirement community. He then dusts off his fedora and must battle an army of evil septegenarians with his wise cracking side kick Short Bus,(played by shia la boof). Action and mayhem ensue and old people jokes abound. Seriously, this isn't better than most Hollywood stories coming out now?
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I mean come on! I know it's not a race, but ALL NAZI'S ARE EVIL???? "What kind of world do we live in today where someone can be judged based merely on the swastika they wear??
LOL LOL LOL"
Don't laugh...read the Entertainment Weekly interview with Verhoven from a week or two ago. He says exactly that.
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Every inteview I've ever seen with a US or UK ww2 veteran, when asked about killing German soldiers, they ALL say that they were soldiers just like [us], doing their jobs - but you kill them or they'll kill you.
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Shia seems like a nice enough guy, and Spielberg can probably get a good performance out of him, I just really really really hope he's not Indy's son.
What would be so wrong with giving Indy a daughter? I think that would be a great story, and just about the only thing wrinkle that could make this movie interesting.
We've already done the Father/Son deal with Short Round and with Sean Connery, so where else can this archetype go that wouldn't be just another cliche?
If you give Indy a daughter, then we can get into how he feels since he DIDN'T have a son. Does it matter to him? Does he try to protect her from adventure? Does he try to push her into it? Does she bring back painful memories of Marion? You could have all of this emotional background--and then she still kicks some ass! She'd be a Jones, after all!
Shia could still be in it, but as her smartass loser boyfriend or smartass fellow student. He could even find his own heroism. He can be the wisecracking tagalong and sell more tickets to the tweens -- just don't make him Indy's son.
And don't start with the "but the boy needs to be the action hero for the international market". Lucas and Spielberg are big enough to transend the traditional marketing concerns. An Indy movie (especially a really good one) sells itself without the gimicks. So why not use the power they have to create smart ass-kicking role models for girls? I mean, they both have daughters, wouldn't that be worth something to them?
Why is it so hard for them to create great parts for women? Princess Leia was a scrapper in A New Hope, and everyone cheered the reinvention of the damsel in distress as being tougher than the boys. Then what? She got totally wimped on. Didn't do much after that and ended up in a gold bikini. She's supposed to be the daughter of the most badass Jedi that ever lived, and except for a small moment at the end of Empire, Lucas couldn't bring her to have any powers.
And I don't care about all the EU books where she does more stuff. The movies are the main thing here. Heck, they couldn't even have her react to the presence of her good ghost father at the end of Jedi when he was 10 feet away! Yeah, maybe she needs training to use a lightsaber and fine-tune her powers, but having Dad, Obi-Wan AND Yoda all standing right there should have been buzzing her brain like she was in the front row of a Metallica concert.
And Natalie Portman's character was also wasted! The moment all of this crushed me was when I saw the Art of ROTS book and the concept artists had proposed a scene where Padme went to Anakin to kill him once she found out about his turn to the darkside. Obviously that was too much drama and too interesting of a story to give to the girls.
Anakin kills a whole village of sandpeople, and she still marries him! From being a queen to a senator, she's SUPPOSED to be a sensitive soul ("My people are dying, Senator"), and she just reacts like her boyfriend keyed a speeder out in the parking lot. Anakin wipes out all of the Jedi children and she just wants to do is talk about it.
Lucas loves Joseph Campbell, and just about the only heroic thing women can do in Campbell's view is give birth. And George even wimped out on that by having the robots deliver the baby while Padme died -- wait for it -- of a broken heart! Heroic!
Argh!
Marion was a pistol in Raiders, then the girls after that got all...girly. Whining singers, and Nazis. And even the Nazi didn't kick ass. She just stood around! If you are going to make her a Nazi bitch, let her kick some ass!
Okay! Rant mode off!
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His casting agent must have some seriously provocative, scandalous photos of Mr Spielberg. There's really no other explanation. Or maybe the old man's completely lost it? Maybe he's asking his aids, "That's the kid from Donnie Darko and Spiderman, right?" "Ummmmmm... that's... right, Mr. Spielberg...?" LOL
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Anyways,I'm more looking forward to the a little art house flick called The Dark Knight. I think the The Dark Knight will be the big event pic of '08 and beat Indy at the box office. Fuck yeah !!
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Sorry, but they STILL should do the obvious. Hire a new Indy, someone you'd believe was throwing a punch or doing the stunts, keep it in the same time frame, and proceed to let Indy do what he does best: look for cool artifacts against the backdrop of WWII, kicking Nazi ass, scoring with a hot babe, all adding up to a very vigorous throwback to old style Cliffhanger serials.Yes, yes -- I know. There will be the Ford lovers who will say ONLY Ford can be Indy. God forbid someone else step into a fictional movie role. But they've done it repeatedly with Bond, and Daniel Craig bitchslapped me upside the head in ways I never predicted and REALLY showed us all in CASINO ROYALE how you CAN reenergize a franchise by casting an all-new lead into a role and that with the right person they CAN make it their own. What, besides Craig, is anyone here really crying tears that Christian Bale took over BATMAN from Clooney?Besides, as others have noted, Ford hasn't exactly aged very gracefully and now he'll even have reduced screen time AND we'll have to endure bullshit like Shia being a son or student or whatever SPECIFICALLY because Ford can't look convincing onscreen doing the stunts we've come to expect from Indy -- hence a younger son/protege will do most of them. Oh joy. An Indy movie where someone OTHER than Indy does the action. Riiiiiiight...that sounds SO good already.Plus given the quality to the Prequels and even Speilberg's latest mainstream outings like WOTW (a piece of crap which was also written by Koepp), and this is really has the makings of a total emotional train wreck. In other words a movie that the geek in us will WANT to see, but once we come out of it we'll be saying "Gee, Ford really IS too old. And that story really wasn't worth doing as a stand alone film after all these years either. So basically I got hosed, now I have the bad taste in my mouth of INDY going out on a low note since this is now offical canon, and George and Steven milked my inner geek and robbed my wallet to line their pockets yet again."Hey, I'll try to stay cautiously optimistic to SOME degree -- who knows, maybe a miracle will take place and this will be okay -- but given all the cooks in this kitchen on this one and given their track record of late, I'm expecting a colossal train wreck that will ultimately create one of the longest Talkbacks EVER...
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About recasting, the key thing to remember is that Bond and Batman are adaptations. Audiences are more forgiving when different actors play those parts because they are interpretations of established literary characters with a long history. Indiana Jones was an original creation for film, so it would be harder for people to accept anyone but Ford in the role. It's the same thing as with Stallone and Rocky.
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...she hasn't aged well. Seriously, folks, have you popped in the DVD Extras disc for the trilogy?
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george and steve, but yea youre right doing another father and son thing would just be really redundant and prove that they have no good ideas left. let alone not just making up a new movie series based on the 30s. like how bout doing a horror series like an old bela lugosi serial. like they dumped the other guys script, darabont, and decided to do this new script, it must ahve had something really good about it, i guess its the mcguffin or something cause the wholeindys son idea is really hack. there's gotta be something going for it for them to use this script... hmm.
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Triumph has been spouting off with "recast and reboot everything" in every single Indiana Jones talkback of the last few months. Your post is exactly why the role can't be recast successfully. Batman was a comic book character before he was a film character and James Bond was a character in literature before he was a film character. Harrison Ford IS Indiana Jones.
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....decide to do a film 100 years from now.
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He's a terrible actor. Why is he inn all these films? Every role he's gotten in a big budget film is totally forced as if mandated by some Hollywood big wig. He kills every film for me. If Transformers does well it's because of the robots, not Shia.
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You're kidding me, right? That HAS to be the WEAKEST argument I've heard yet. "Batman was a comic book character before he was a film character and James Bond was a character in literature before he was a film character. Harrison Ford IS Indiana Jones."Oh PUH-LEEZE. So it's okay to recast a SUPERHERO over and over simply because a "comic book" existed beforehand, its okay to recast a SECRET AGENT over and over because a "book series" existed beforehand...but magically you can't recast a MOVIE role, in hat case Ford is now Highlander and there can be only one, which is truly laughable since the whole POINT to making movies and extending a franchise past its prime would be -- duh! -- RECASTING and REBOOTING IT.Hey, I loved Ford in his prime, but give me a break. It's going to be all but embarrassing to see him grunting and groaning his way through this, trying to convince everyone he can still be an "action hero". And to pull that off, it almost WOULD have to be an Oscar level performance given how truly suck ass Ford last looked in FIREWALL. On the other hand, if Lucas and Spielberg simply committed to bringing back the CHARACTER after a 20 year absence...if like the Prequels they said "Let's make 3 new adventures to bring it all back, relaunch our tribute to old serial cliffhangers"...oh hell YES. Today's audience would IMMEDIATELY accept a "new" actor in the role simply because IT'S BEEN 20 FUCKING YEARS NOW. The truth is, if they just hired a new, vigorous, charasmatic guy and then REALLY put some effort into making it a relaunch, things would be FAR better. And for the record, Speilberg HIMSELF noted years ago that even HE saw the Indiana Jones character as being like Bond -- that is, that the long range charm to the series was that it COULD be recast and reimagined over time, simply because the core premise of "adventuring archeologist in WWII" was so broad and cool. So if even Spielberg felt that way, I'm sure it could be done.
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Shia sandwich.
er, shit sandwich.
No sir, I don't like it. -
I don't know about you guys but I think they made a wise decision picking Shia Labeouf for that part. He obviously has impressed the movie industry by his diverse movie roles and have accomplished succesful outcome. He is a very convincing actor and has a long way to go in the future for a 20 yrs old. He obviously won over several directors & producers by his performances. So I'm not worried one bit about him playing the part of Indy Jones' son. He's going to rock that part. He's too talented not too.
I'm not sure what the big deal is about him getting his recent roles. He deserved them & rocked them all. Go watch "A guide to recognizing your saints." He was superb... I can't wait to see his next projects in the near future. -
I must say Shia that the invite to Yale shocks me. Your words are big but more than not, they still say very little. You seem very arrogant, thus, a future classmate, please.
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all these people that say you suck and insult you are totally messed up!!! you are an amazing actor and dont deserve this shit!! i respect you and believe you are one of the best young actors out there... seriously... im trying to get into acting myself.. and id love more than anyyything to talk with you.. like that would make my whole entire life!!! i think youll be amazing in indy, no matter what part you have!
i heard that your like addicted to myspace.. that would be AMAZING if you can add me!!
www.myspace.com/nci09
add me and we can talk!!
thanks much!!
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