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To Drop The Flashbacks!!

I am – Hercules!!
UPDATE!! Another reputable source told us late last night that 3.19 WILL contain flashbacks, and they'll be Locke flashbacks. So I called my original source (the one who said no flashbacks for 3.19), and that source said my latter source was right. The original source got confused because all of Locke's flashbacks are very RECENT flashbacks. All apparently take place on Dharma Island (or thereabouts) subsequent to Ben reintroducing Locke to his daddy (the last time we all saw Locke). So the real, true and now double-confirmed flashback order is: 3.17 Desmond Hume 3.18 Jin & Sun Kwon 3.19 John Locke 3.20 Benjamin Linus 3.21 Charlie Pace 3.22-23 Jack Shephard Apologies for the mix-up!! END OF UPDATE!! ORIGINAL POST: A highly-placed insider has just set my hinder straight on the batting order for the final episodes of “Lost” this season. The bad news? As reported by TV Guide’s Michael Ausiello, the season will indeed not end with a Benjamin Linus flashback two-parter. The good news? We’ll be getting Ben’s flashbacks even sooner! He’ll be the focus of 3.20, the episode previously believed to be DeGroot-centric. (If you’re thinking Dharma masterminds Karen and Gerald DeGroot will still turn up in that episode, I’d guess you’re thinking right.) The shocking news? After years of privately and publicly nagging the producers of “Lost” to cut back on the flashbacks, I can report that 3.19 is slated to be the first-ever flashback-free episode in the series’ history. The absent flashbacks for that episode, says my source, “won't even be missed.” “The episode,” he or she adds, “focuses on one of season one's ‘mysteries’ - if that's the right word.” What I am assured is the true flashback order: 3.17 Desmond Hume 3.18 Jin & Sun Kwon 3.19 no flashbacks! 3.20 Benjamin Linus 3.21 Charlie Pace 3.22-23 Jack Shephard

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  • April 12, 2007, 5:11 p.m. CST


    by jimmy rabbitte

    I'm about to have one.

  • April 12, 2007, 5:11 p.m. CST

    Doesn't change the fact you detest Flash Gordon, Herc!

    by chrth

    Get back in the thread and take your beating like a man!

  • April 12, 2007, 5:12 p.m. CST

    The less flashbacks, the better.

    by Pennsy

    Too many of them in season 2 doomed the show, and hopefully they can keep going in the right direction. <p> And on another note, don't let the door hit you, Don Imus, in your racist, sexist butt on the way out.

  • April 12, 2007, 5:12 p.m. CST




  • April 12, 2007, 5:12 p.m. CST


    by Big Bad Clone

    Hurley gets Gastric bypass and won't talk about waht happened on the island

  • April 12, 2007, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Nice trickery with the headline

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    for a three year old.

  • April 12, 2007, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Interesting, but random.

    by Childe Roland

    Why that episode? Why not save it for the last eppy and cue up a whole season of flashback-free fun?

  • April 12, 2007, 5:14 p.m. CST

    its obviously the long over due.....

    by SamBlackChvrch21

    Monster episode we were promised back in Season 2. It will do a nice job of filling in gaps and 'splainin the underwhelming smoke monster

  • April 12, 2007, 5:15 p.m. CST

    re: Thunderbolt Ross

    by jimmy rabbitte

    Atleast I didn't type in FIRST!!! like all the tools do.

  • April 12, 2007, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Repost: Funny Lost cartoon

    by chrth (remove spaces)

  • April 12, 2007, 5:18 p.m. CST

    jimmy rabbitte: Uh, I think he was criticizing Herc

    by chrth

    because of the '...for one episode' subtitle.

  • April 12, 2007, 5:20 p.m. CST


    by jimmy rabbitte

    could be, chrth. I've just been itching for an excuse to dump on the idiots who always have to yell FIRST all the time... sorry TB Ross.

  • April 12, 2007, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Wait a sec...

    by memento108

    Didn't the season finale for Season 1 not have flashbacks? At least one of the two hours did not have flashbacks, I thought, and they were considered separate episodes....maybe i'm just crazy.

  • April 12, 2007, 5:23 p.m. CST


    by Mogwai Democracy

    My highly placed insider indicates that season 4 will consist solely of "Flashsideways" (a Lost first), along with multiple instances of Deja Vu, Hiccups, Head Scratching, Hiking, & Non-Question-Asking, followed by a Vincent flashback, followed by some more hiking. Then they catch a fish.

  • April 12, 2007, 5:24 p.m. CST


    by roundhoward

    Season 1's finale was a shared flashback I believe... it went back to the hours leading up to Oceanic's takeoff.

  • April 12, 2007, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Yeah, you're right...

    by memento108

    But I somehow remember the flashbacks only occurring in the second hour, with the first hour being flashback-free. That probably doesn't count, though, even though the LOST logo buffer was in between the hours.

  • April 12, 2007, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Unless they're bringing on a HUGE change...

    by Ravetin

    ...then how the fuck can there be anything else of interest in Jack's history? Or At least, anything interesting enough to fill a crucial, double-strength episode? It'd have to be something major. Probably harkening to fan theories concerning details on why Jack woke up so far away from the plane and whatnot. Either way, I'd still say wait until the episode airs. I seem to remember that nobody knew the S2 finale would be a Desmond flashback until almost the last minute.

  • April 12, 2007, 5:28 p.m. CST

    Um, the flashbacks...

    by Frank Black

    Build the story and are needed. Anybody who doesn't appreciate what they contribute to the storytelling process for this show misses the point of the show altogether. It is a puzzle and we are lucky it unfolds slowly and gradually. F*cking ADD generation has the patience of a 80 year old virgin in a Vegas whorehouse. Lost is one of the best and most interesting shows we will ever see! I honestly love it more every week.

  • April 12, 2007, 5:29 p.m. CST

    What mysteries...

    by NeoMyers

    ...from Season One could they be referring to? We know what's in the Hatch. We know why the Others kidnapped Claire. The only thing I'm thinking is, maybe we'll finally get an explanation for what the Others wanted with Walt. Anyone else have any ideas?

  • April 12, 2007, 5:30 p.m. CST


    by SimpleSandwiches

    I was just thinking that yesterday. Gimme more island!!!

  • April 12, 2007, 5:32 p.m. CST

    Episode 22-23 title

    by ElPaw

    is Through The Looking Glass. Jack also had the other Alice-reference episode, White Rabbit. And that was about his dad being on the island. Could this be similarly about Doc Daddy being on the island?

  • April 12, 2007, 5:32 p.m. CST

    A Jack-centric season finale ...

    by Hercules

    ... would dovetail nicely with the theory that Christian Shephard is alive and secretly Ben's boss.

  • April 12, 2007, 5:33 p.m. CST


    by dundundles


  • April 12, 2007, 5:33 p.m. CST

    Maybe it's the

    by Quin the Eskimo


  • April 12, 2007, 5:34 p.m. CST


    by dodgethis

    I am a little saddened by this news I have to admit. Part of my initial love for LOST was for the way the show was structured with the flashbacks, I just thought that was super cool. Now they are getting rid of them. I'm with the other guy that said they should've started fresh with season 4 and not have flashbacks. Man, I think it can be said that LOST is the first show in history to cater THIS MUCH to the demands of fans. I hope it does not end up being to its detriment. I'm trying to think of any loose ends that have not been tied up in the characters' pasts that could only be explained by flashback but I guess there really aren't any.

  • April 12, 2007, 5:34 p.m. CST


    by Kusoyaro

    Although, it would have been hiliarious if they did a smoke monster flashback ep.

  • April 12, 2007, 5:35 p.m. CST


    by leesheri

    So glad we will have our Bencentric episode! They were starting to work those bad Jack vibes again, but it's all good. <BR> As for flashbacks I don't hate 'em. I actually enjoy the character development. Call me crazy, but the characters draw me to a show, book etc.

  • April 12, 2007, 5:35 p.m. CST

    A 1000 Bucks says the mystery is the monstet

    by Mr. N

    The monster has been making a comeback all season long, which is fitting as it was gone for most of season 2. It's about high time they solved that shit anyways. <BR> Think of it, the monster was also the FIRST mystery of the whole show. To move on, that should at least be solved. Hopefully season 4 will feature more innovations (like the Desmond and Flashback-free one we're soon to get).

  • April 12, 2007, 5:36 p.m. CST

    SHIT... I mean MONSTER, not MONSTET

    by Mr. N


  • April 12, 2007, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Jack flashback and S1 finale

    by Leopold Scotch

    Wasn't part of the season 1 finale a Michael flashback? Can't remember.<br><br>As for the Jack flashback, don't be so quick to condemn... it could be something really cool, like way back into his childhood where he wouldn't remember having some kind of run in with one of Dharma's founders. Maybe it would even be before he's born, and they give him special island healing powers, and the same thing happened when Walt was an infant or something... Ok, that's pretty wild speculation, but I'm just saying, just cos Jack's flashbacks have mostly (if not always) been soapy, they might be trying to catch us off-guard. And it's not like we're not getting a Ben flashback: at all. I'm optimistic.

  • April 12, 2007, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Jack-centric season finale

    by DynamixRo

    Either (1)The writers are trying to mislead us OR (2)Jack's father plays a big part in it(his body was gone, remember?). Anyway, I'm not worried about it focusing on Jack. If they decided to go down that road then they probably have something pretty sweet in store for us.

  • April 12, 2007, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Christian Shephard

    by MachThree

    I might buy that he's still alive - I've seen Doc Jensen say something to that effect previously. But that he is Jacob / Him? what evidence is there for that?

  • April 12, 2007, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Hmmm... ideas...

    by Mr. N

    If Jack gets the last episode. Then maybe he dies? I mean, they wanted to kill him in the first episode. He's also become pretty annoying and maybe Juliet will betray him and kill him. I would give the writers serious props for killing off the main character (for all intensive purposes, that's what Jack is). Maybe it'll give the show the jolt it needs and really become an ensemble piece... not Jack and his merry men...

  • April 12, 2007, 5:43 p.m. CST

    ok, nevermind

    by dodgethis

    guess I read it wrong, only one episode will be flashback free. I thought they meant from now on there would be no flashbacks.

  • April 12, 2007, 5:44 p.m. CST

    Another theory ...

    by Hercules

    Can the Island wake the dead? Will the graves of Ana Lucia, Libby Eko, Boone, Shannon, Nikki and Paulo all be discovered empty? When we next see Ben, Tom and The Sheriff, will they all be hanging out with Christian, Goodwin, Ethan and all the former regulars?

  • April 12, 2007, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Christian Shepherd etc

    by PotSmokinAlien

    i for one will be really disappointed if the finale's jack centric, i have never enjoyed a jackback, but he's the hero so i guess i understand. i dunno if Christian's bens boss, but i agree he is at least high up in whatevers going on. LOOK AT HIS FUCKING NAME, PEOPLE. and while i agree that at their best, the flashbacks are a great storytelling device, at their worst they are padding when the writers need to stretch out a reveal for a few eps (see "Flight of the Dharmamobile," aka tricia tanaka), so i wouldnt be heartbroken if they only used them when they were necessary.

  • April 12, 2007, 5:48 p.m. CST

    I'm pretty sure Lindecuse said...

    by Ravetin

    something about how once a person's dead, they stay dead except for flashbacks, dreams, etc.

  • April 12, 2007, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Through the Looking Glass

    by leesheri

    Last time Jack had an episode that had an Alice theme was White Rabbit. He chased his father around the island. His father is the White Rabbit so what does the rabbit have to do with, "Through the Looking Glass"? More appropriate thoughts are what will Jack find there? ;)<BR> Remember the chess game that Locke played that blew up the communication station? I am sensing an overall theme. <BR> I am sensing a showdown between the 815ers and the others. Who will be victorious? Who will reach the other side of the board to be made queen?

  • April 12, 2007, 5:51 p.m. CST

    To re-iterate:

    by Hercules

    I LOVE the flashbacks when they deal with what's going on with Dharma Island (as they did with this latest Juliet episode). When they don't? Not as much.

  • April 12, 2007, 5:52 p.m. CST


    by UltraMeerkat

    Zombie Lost!!! That would rock hard! We could have zombie flashbacks centred around the acquiring and consumption of brains - the natural food of the zombie! On a lighter note, even if the Island can bring people back to life, the end result would be nasty given that all the people you mentioned have been buried rather deeply! So, they'd be bought back to life, suffocate under the soil, come back to life, suffocate, come back to life, suffocate etc. etc.

  • April 12, 2007, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Claire's implant

    by Hercules

    Now that we know that Ben has implants that can fuck with someone's physiology, maybe Jack got an implant that made him think he was hallucinating when he saw he father on the island?

  • April 12, 2007, 5:59 p.m. CST

    the dead

    by leesheri

    I don't think it is waking the dead. I think smokey or something else is inhabiting the dead. Remember, Eko's brother said something like, why are you talking to me as if you know me? I am not your brother.

  • April 12, 2007, 5:59 p.m. CST

    Episode 20

    by Tidmore

    I was told by a member of the Post-Production staff at Lost Weekend 2007 that based on the script alone, Episode 20 was his favorite episode of Lost EVER! He said if done right it would be amazing! Here's hoping!

  • April 12, 2007, 6:04 p.m. CST

    I love jack

    by Mastashake

    But it is time for him to die. Desmond. That is all. Desmond. Seriously how cool would it be if it turned out it was all about desmond instead of jack. They have all but wrapped up jack's story, except for his relationship with his dad. So after that thread is closed I think he should die. I think that these later seasons will more be about the desmond/penny love story. I know it would probably never happen but wouldn't it be awesome if it turned out that most of the things that happened on this show was a result of something desmond did (either messing with time or some such foolery) and he did it all for penny.

  • April 12, 2007, 6:10 p.m. CST

    If jacks dad was alive

    by emeraldboy

    that would be an almight mind fuck. but it makes sense because when jack opens the coffin its empty and it would be the perfect opportunity for jacks father to reveal why he was in austrailia and that he was boning claires mom. But Then Jacks father was found dead in austrailia and jack ok'd the body at the morgue. so idont know. But then locke thought his oldman was dead too and he aint or his he?

  • April 12, 2007, 6:14 p.m. CST

    The only evidence

    by Leopold Scotch

    that Christian is at the centre of everything (ie, that he's Jacob) is that he does the "previously on Lost voiceover". In other words, there's no evidence for it at all: it's all just a bunch of hopeful fans. Still, it's fun to do stff like that.

  • April 12, 2007, 6:15 p.m. CST


    by the__natural74

    I am a huge fan of the "flashbacks" on Lost, and have felt for some time that a major reason this show could go down as one of the greatest in TV history is because of the many congrugent timelines. Because the "flashbacks" can take place over many years or over a few days, I don't believe any other program can compare to this ambitious endeavour, and the amazing layers of stories and characters. I have never grown bored of the "flashback" format, and have found myself loving this show more and more every week! I don't mind if they take a break from the format, as long as it returns. It's like when media sources doubted how long "24" could continue it's format, but the show's producers stuck with it and I believe it continues to help tell the story. Lost is the same way, and without the multiple timelines I would definitely feel like they gave up and didn't see the show through.

  • April 12, 2007, 6:17 p.m. CST

    Okay, get this.

    by Hercules

    What if KATE stuck the implant in Jack when she stitched him up in the pilot?? What if Kate was so wacky about the tiny toy airplane because it contained an implant trigger??

  • April 12, 2007, 6:17 p.m. CST

    In know what the final ever scene of lost

    by emeraldboy

    will and it is soo easy to work. With all the other stories resolved. Juliet kills ben. Winds down Dharma project and the last shot will be Penny and desmond together once more with the sun going down and desmonds rescue team in the sky above. fade to black

  • April 12, 2007, 6:22 p.m. CST

    The final scene of "Lost"...

    by Ellipsian

    ...should mirror the first shot of "Lost" and had better be a pan back into the open, unblinking eye of (a hopefully dead and resolved) Jack.

  • April 12, 2007, 6:23 p.m. CST

    I meant the final SHOT of "Lost".

    by Ellipsian


  • April 12, 2007, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Twin Peaks

    by fatsackowind

    I've been watching the second season, and I'm starting to feel that LOST is topping Twin Peaks now. I thought Buffy (and Firefly, and Angel) was the only rival to Twin Peaks, but LOST is really capturing me in a way totally differnt from these other shows.

  • April 12, 2007, 6:25 p.m. CST

    More of Jack, eh?...

    by DanielKurland

    I get that he's the main character, and he's quite interesting, but if they were going to end with Jack, I really wish they didn't bother with that tattoo episode. He's gotten far too many this year. Did Sawyer just get one? And in the first six episodes.

  • April 12, 2007, 6:26 p.m. CST


    by hatramroany

    I heard that there will be flashbacks, well not flashbacks because they aren't thought by anyone but the episode would deal with the Dharma Initiative and have "flashbacks" that.

  • April 12, 2007, 6:26 p.m. CST

    personally i dont like this jacks dad is him idea

    by aestheticity

    makes things feel small, like how star wars did after the prequels made everybody know each other. i want this 'him, jacob' person/thing to be something major. not a sorry pisshead with male pattern baldness.<p><p>if its jacks dad, and turns out jacks dad can transmogrify into something amazing or hes a fucking supermutant, than that would be ok. i just dread the idea of a reveal; some intense period of action ending abruptly when XXX (probably including jack) stumbles upon/is shown/has appear to them... jacks dad, in his crisp blue suit and shiny head. 'hello jack' LAAAAAAAAAAAAAME.

  • April 12, 2007, 6:30 p.m. CST

    no, the final shot of the show should be...

    by BloodStaind

    Chuck Norris swooping down in a helicopter and slaughtering everyone.

  • April 12, 2007, 6:33 p.m. CST

    RE: bloodstain

    by Mastashake

    Thee most brilliant idea I have ever heard. But he kills ben twice.

  • April 12, 2007, 6:34 p.m. CST

    Wait wait wait!!!

    by TheJake

    What if Juliet and Jack and Claire and evrybody are really experimenting on The Others?! What if they are the new Dharma crew pretending to be stranded to fuck with The Others?! My God... it's so plot-twisty it just might (not) work! Where is M. Night Shamalamadingdong when you need him?! Oh yeah, he's off making shitty boring movies...

  • April 12, 2007, 6:40 p.m. CST


    by Leopold Scotch

    When they first met Mikhail in the Flame, he said that communication with the outside world was impossible. This was only three months after the plane crashed. So how long did Mikhail say comms were out for? Does it mean they could've communicated with the outside world before it blew up? Also, Ben was approaching the Flame in this week's flashback pretty cautiously, as though patchy was guarding the flame very closely. Was he guarding from the smoke monster, or are there others to protect the station from?

  • April 12, 2007, 6:41 p.m. CST

    The last season will deal with Hanso and Linderman

    by modlight

    joining to figure out a way to use their scientific knowledge and superpowers to battle a supposed oncoming threat from space that will be later revealed to be the survivors of Caprica. The 12 colonies, survivors and heroes will come together to fight the Cylons who by that point will be ruled by Gaius Baltar and Vic Mackie. Or at least that's how I see it going down. Am I off base?

  • April 12, 2007, 6:45 p.m. CST


    by BloodStaind

    It will be revealed that Don Imus is actually the head of the Dharma Initiative and hired Ben to create a super race of nappy headed basketball players. All this plane crash bullshit is just a red herring and filler for the truth.

  • April 12, 2007, 6:46 p.m. CST

    or maaaayyyybeeee

    by purplemonkeydw

    they all put on nippled batsuits and climb into a flamed out semi, and drive away to freedom

  • April 12, 2007, 6:47 p.m. CST

    But seriously This would be awesome

    by Mastashake

    Final shot if there is a time thing involved: A. We see some surrealistic thing of the island coming apart. Just melting away, and the only things that aren't fading are desmond and penny walking towards each other. then it fades to white and it is the airport. And we see all of the Losties stand up and walk away, not getting on the plane. Except for John Locke. B. They are all transported in time to the age of their choice. For example: Kate would go back to before she had killed her dad, sawyer to before killing the man, ana lucia to before killing the man, just all of them go back and fix their lives. and then they all get back on 815 knowing that the smoke monster won't kill them now that they atoned. But when the go to buy tickets the stewardess will say " There is no oceanic airlines, and no flight 815." OR... Final shots if there is no time traveling mythical awesome stuff. 1. Locke burning up a file that contained all the answers. 2. A big "ten years later" caption and then shots of the losties living on alcatraz island and the others living in their town. And the losties will just have accepted their fate when another plane falls from the sky... and the last thing we see would be the beeping gps navagation system in the cockpit still working, and displaying the exact location of "Dharma Lost island of freaking mystery." and I would be fine with any of those.

  • April 12, 2007, 6:48 p.m. CST


    by NudeandAroused

    By suggesting that Kate put the inplant into Jack, are you saying Kate is one of them? Or is it unintentional?

  • April 12, 2007, 6:50 p.m. CST

    Unresolved mysteries from S1

    by ElPaw

    Who are "Adam and Eve"?<p> What is "the sickness" spoken of by Rousseau, & what exactly happened to Rousseau's team?<p> Where is the radio tower?<p> How did the Black Rock get to where it is?<p> What sort of power does Walt possess?<p> What is the monster?<p>

  • April 12, 2007, 7:08 p.m. CST


    by PotSmokinAlien

    that is fucking hilarious

  • April 12, 2007, 7:11 p.m. CST

    Herc-- I like the plane idea alot

    by PotSmokinAlien

    always wanted to see more of that little fucker... kate being more than meets the eye is appealing too, it would make a lot more sense than say, hurley.

  • April 12, 2007, 7:19 p.m. CST

    My guess is that the flashback-less episode is..

    by Jonah Echo

    the one where, if my theory stands correct, Sawyer realizes that Locke's father is the man he has been chasing. Last night, during the "requiem" trailer for what I imagine are the remaining episodes, we see what looks like Locke and Sawyer struggling, followed by Sawyer screaming "Finish It", If the order of the flashbacks is as above, then it seems likely these events will take place then. And it was suggested that we wouldnt see Locke or his dad again until five weeks later, which will take us right to that episode I believe. How is it going to go down? I dont know. I wonder if it will incorporate the walkie talkie that Sawyer now has from Paolo. Perhaps Sawyer finds Locke, and or the Others, and it is revealed to him who Locke's father really is. It would be great to see a conflict like that go down, and even better to have it uninterrupted. Not many people have such an unfinished bit of business like the one Sawyer has.(Most everyone else is living with past consequences of events already transpired or they want to get back to loved ones-Desmond and Juliette. And the identity of the real sawyer was in fact, a season one mystery..sort of. Learning more of why Locke's dad is on the island, and how it relates to him, as well as what choice he actually made in regards to the others is probably too much to expect from one episode, but Im very interested to see where it goes. Best possible outcome? After passing the tests of the Island, or the test of the Others, James doesnt kill the man he hates, and perhaps he and Locke set off somewhere else entirely seperate from the Others with Locke revealing where Rousseau has hidden the submarine after he pretended to blow it up. Ok, that last part is kooky, but the rest of it might have plausibility. Also, something else Im curious to hear others' perspectives on is the black pouch in wihich Nikki and Paolo kept the diamonds. Isnt this very similar, if not the same, black pouch that was discovered with Adam and Eve in the cave in season one, complete with one black stone, and one white stone? Stones that at the time seemed awfully similar to Locke's backgammon game? Where was that pouch last seen? Did Sawyer keep the pouch after he threw out the diamonds, or did he keep it? Anyway, though that was slightly interesting. As for more Jack flashbacks? I dont know. Im in agreement that his character is starting to feel used up, and the space he used to fill is being filled by the characters of Desmond, Sawyer and even on occasion Hurley. Jack being killed at the end of season 3 would be HUGE, but perhaps not the end of the show. Can't see it happening though. And finally, did we see a body hanging from a tree in the preview, with black sneakers? Is that Alex's boyfriend? Do any of the survivors have black tennis shoes?

  • April 12, 2007, 7:20 p.m. CST

    Here's the big twist

    by chrth

    The castaways are actually prisoners of the Chinese, and next season they'll arrive in LA after the President makes a deal for their release.

  • April 12, 2007, 7:23 p.m. CST

    Giving In To Whiney Fans!

    by HaveCameraWillTravel

    I see LOST is giving in to the whiney bitches who claim to be fans and think they can write the show so much better than the writers. These "fans" are running the show right into the ground since the writers seem to be listening to them a bit too much recently. I hope that it is just one episode minus the flashbacks because the flashbacks do give some important information...just not all the time. Maybe the writers will make it so the flashbacks are not all the time...just when needed which may appease the fans who both love and the fans who destest them. That is my hope at least.

  • April 12, 2007, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Couple Things

    by Winterchili

    1) The writers have said that Kate's airplane is not very significant and that it was a mistake to make it seem like it. 2) The writers have said that if a character is dead, then that character is dead. The Monster seems to be able to create a vision of dead people, provided it has the bodies (hence why Jacks dads body was missing and Yemis was too, both appeared as visions). 3) I seriously hope this information is wrong. A two hour Jack flashback is a terrible idea, especially considering how awful his last one was. And they won't just have no flash backs for no reason. Every time there have been no flash backs it has been because of a legit narrative reason such as showing the tail section peoples time on the island.

  • April 12, 2007, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Fuck, this Office episode is so good...

    by DanielKurland

    And Ramis is directing again! Why no talkback?

  • April 12, 2007, 7:47 p.m. CST

    Shaping up to be one of the best Office ever...

    by DanielKurland

    The bets are hilarious, as is more Ryan and Kelly, and Michael's fake suicide is fantastic.

  • April 12, 2007, 7:49 p.m. CST

    "Rip a hole in the sun!"

    by Jonah Echo

    Great episode so far. Creed eating the potato. "Un-shun!" The watermelon bounce.

  • April 12, 2007, 7:57 p.m. CST

    I do not approve of changing a shows format

    by INWOsuxRED

    because of some nagging. I am not interested in fairweather fans dictating the direction of the show in any way, and this stinks of it.

  • April 12, 2007, 8:07 p.m. CST


    by J Skell

    Okay a few of those last ones just started going nuts. And when would Jack have gotten this mysterious transplant? He saw his dad before he was dharma-napped. and a jack two parter? probably will have big christian themes. But that kate plane theory makes as much sense as Jack really being a dharma guy who was programmed by christian (him!) to live with the losties on the beach! Which is why he wakes up away from them! and all his memories are supplemented!... Sorry I'm starting to get bitter about lost theories. there was a time where they made sense, but the show has done so much that works against itself by this point I'm just watching lackadazically(sp?) now.

  • April 12, 2007, 8:09 p.m. CST

    It looks like now that 30 Rock has been picked up...

    by DanielKurland

    They're not afraid to go in an arc direction for the show.

  • April 12, 2007, 8:21 p.m. CST

    Who cares if its "Jack-centric"?

    by Triumph poops!

    Frankly, in a general sense, I like the show and like the characters. So I don't care so much "who" the finale will center around, I only care about one thing and one thing alone. Namely AFTER 3 YEARS THAT THEY PONY UP SOME FUCKING ANSWERS!

  • April 12, 2007, 8:27 p.m. CST

    Jaka says...

    by Jaka

    ...this show still makes less sense than American politics.

  • April 12, 2007, 8:28 p.m. CST

    Lloyd Braun

    by Bibo

    Is the suit who greenlit the show then got shafted. I'm pretty sure he was the inspiration for the name of the character on Seinfeld.

  • April 12, 2007, 8:33 p.m. CST


    by Winterchili

    You are either dumb or not watching the show.

  • April 12, 2007, 8:38 p.m. CST

    They're NOT changing the fucking format!

    by performingmonkey

    People are treating this as a big deal - it isn't. They'll just have an important story to tell in the present and flashbacks will be no use. It may involve Cooper, Sawyer and Locke. REMEMBER, Locke was interested in why Sawyer chose the name 'Sawyer', the writers obviously knew then what they're about to spring on us. They don't need Sawyer flashbacks to show us Cooper is the real Sawyer, Ben (or someone else) can just explain it in a creepy way. I have no doubt that he knows the truth about Cooper and his connection with Sawyer. Of course, there's still the chance Cooper is Jacob or even Alvar Hanso (he sure looked like him in the window in 'Orientation'). Christian Shephard is definitely alive and this is why they did the Claire/Jack connection. Shephard will be there right at the end of this season and he'll tell them both they're brother and sister, then BANG 'Lost'. (what if they were just about to fuck too, after all, Claire is going to be upset when Charlie dies in episode 21 (why else would it be Charlie-centric?)). This season is SO good. I'm glad they got away from the neither-here-nor-there season 2 where they just wanted us to spot Widmore Construction signs in the background and bitty shit like that. Now it's full-on excellence.

  • April 12, 2007, 8:39 p.m. CST

    This show is more confusing than...

    by uss cygnus

    Turmoil has engulfed the Galactic Republic. The taxation of trade routes to outlying star systems is in dispute. Hoping to resolve the matter with a blockade of deadly battleships, the greedy Trade Federation has stopped all shipping to the small planet of Naboo. While the Congress of the Republic endlessly debates this alarming chain of events, the Supreme Chancellor has secretly dispatched two Jedi Knights, the guardians of peace and justice in the galaxy, to settle the conflict...

  • April 12, 2007, 8:41 p.m. CST

    The Other 48 Days?

    by Matthew Domville

    Wasn't "The Other 48 Days" a flashback-free episode? Granted it all took place in the past, but I don't think that's technically a flashback.

  • April 12, 2007, 8:53 p.m. CST

    "The Other 48 Days" HAS flashbacks

    by Tocksick

    I had an editing battle with someone at Wikipedia over "the Other 48 Days Later." In their list of season 2 episodes they wrote "No flashback" next to the episode but I can't editing the page to say "The Tailies." Of course the episode had flashbacks...the story FLASH BACKED to their first 48 days on the island! I think the debate is over the fact that it was the only episode that never jumped forward to the present. But because it flashes back from the ongoing present of the season it most definitely is a flashback episode.

  • April 12, 2007, 8:58 p.m. CST

    Thinking Outside the Box

    by Tocksick

    I am really looking forward to Episode 20 now. This is the writer's thinking outside the box and knowing it is OKAY to occassionally break out of their formula. I actually think it would be a good thing if 3-4 episodes of each season had NO flashbacks at all. I also love it when the writer's show a creative take on a flashback like in Claire's episode "Maternity Leave" and Michael episodes "3 Minutes" showing "after the crash" flashbacks. "The Other 48 Days" also did it and is one of the top 5 episodes of the series in my opinion. Desmond's recent flashback episode was excellent and very's hoping his episode next week is CLOSE to being as good.

  • April 12, 2007, 9:02 p.m. CST

    Van Buren

    by NudeandAroused

    The theories aren't that bad. based on this past excellent episode, I think the show has taken a turn towards Sci-Fi. Perhaps kind of Dr Moreauish?

  • April 12, 2007, 9:06 p.m. CST

    3.19 is the first episode where Locke...

    by GregoryHarbin

    ...Damon and Carlton have said that we're going to return to the Locke storyline in 3.19. Really cool that that's the flashbackless episode.

  • April 12, 2007, 9:18 p.m. CST


    by Merlox

    I've been griping about the flashbacks to my friends for that we know how Locke broke his back what other flashbacks do we really want to see?...besides flashbacks that may uncover some of the islands mysteries...ZERO...originally the flashbacks were there to help into characters and mirror events and themes...but the device is tired and played out...and now that we know these characters and their histories why do we need them anymore?...we don't...they are FILLER...and slowing this show down to a snails I say GOOD riddance...let's speed this thing along now...

  • April 12, 2007, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Seas. 1 Mystery in 3.19 is the real Sawyer...

    by Executor

    ...Locke's dad. <p> Based on other info by Carlton Cuse we're going to be getting back to Locke and Daddy...and as most fans suspect Daddy is the con man Sawyer is looking for. Look for the big Sawyer/Locke fight in this ep. along with the finally-acknowledged answer to the mystery.

  • April 12, 2007, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Season 3 finale is...

    by Kenny8

    Captain Nemo shows up and demands to know who blew up the Nautilus. I still think "Occurance At Owl Creek Bridge" will come into play

  • April 12, 2007, 9:58 p.m. CST

    For fuck's sake, people...

    by Zarles's one episode. If they'd said it was for the rest of the series, that would be one thing. It's not, though, and I'm looking forward to seeing how a more straightforward episode will work. We've gotten close to that in recent eps, actually, as the Paolo/Nikki episode was very light in flashback material. The writers are not pandering or giving in in any way. What's more, if they finally did crack and change their writing structure to a more speedy format, do you really think it would be because of all the ADD dipshits who can barely read the back of a ketchup bottle without getting bored? Doubtful.

  • April 12, 2007, 10:02 p.m. CST

    Don Imus!!

    by Heinrich

    Shows up as one of the 'behind the scenes' survivors next season!

  • April 12, 2007, 10:19 p.m. CST

    The writers might advance the storyline for the full 45

    by SpyGuy

    ...instead of the 15-20 minutes per episode we usually get. And no, flashbacks do not advance the story...they're considered backstory to the central plot. For example, waiting three seasons to reveal how Locke lost the use of his legs doesn't tell us a damn thing about Smokezilla or what the true purpose of the Dharma Initiative really is.

  • April 12, 2007, 10:29 p.m. CST

    The "previously on Lost" voice

    by TheSeeker7

    I don't know if this has already been said (haven't read every single one of these things) but I'm almost certain that it's Exec Producer/Writer Carlton Cuse that does that each week.

  • April 12, 2007, 10:40 p.m. CST

    Winterchili, here's WHY Lost can truly SUCK at times...

    by Triumph poops!

    It's the total ILLOGIC behind the show. Hey, I like it overall. I really do. It's cute and fun -- but it's also dumb as a brick. When I said earlier that I don't care "who" the finale centers on, so long as they pony up some answers after 3 long years (which you have to admit really IS a pretty fucking long time relative to the amount of actual air time that we've had to sit through by this point) I meant it in a playful manner. You responded by saying "You are either dumb or not watching the show." Well, I'm NOT dumb and I DO watch the show. I have since the beginning. But frankly, I'm not the only one who gets frustrated by the glaringly STUPID things this show CONTINUALLY does to cop out in the most absolutely cheap and illogical manner.<p>Look, I'll give you 2 prime examples from the last 2 weeks alone...<p>When Kate and Juliet were running from the Monster, what do we (and they) LITERALLY see? We see something that COMPLETELY defies anything that any normal person has ever seen in the history of the planet -- a smoke monster that roars and flies and moves like a charging beast. You know, I've been to a helluva lot of museums... I've seen a helluva lot of DISCOVERY Channel or ANIMAL PLANET shows... and frankly, I can't recall EVER hearing or seeing "Smoke monsters" - which frankly I'm pretty fucking sure would have made the news or at least a copy of National Geographic.<p>So let's see here: they run away, they get behind some sonic barrier cone things, Smokey runs into it, there's a cool SFX moment as it impacts, and then it slinks off, roaring away. Ok...and I ask this HONESTLY to anyone with a FUNCTIONAL BRAIN...regardless of Juliet saving their ass at that point, given how she THEN turned to Kate and said that she and the Others knew about the monster, that they knew the barrier somehow worked against it, what NORMAL person WOULDN'T suddenly turn to Juliet and say "Wait a minute. You KNEW about that thing? You've encountered it BEFORE and DEALT with it? Bitch, I'm not taking one more step till I know WHAT the fuck it is, what the fuck you know, EVERYTHING you can tell me about it, because God knows I'm NOT taking the chance of running into it again because I've seen it KILL PEOPLE."<p>But do we get that? No. Instead we get them walking if nothing odd had EVER happened...and suddenly turning into 13 year old teenagers talking about "You know, you broke Jack's heart." I mean, are you fucking kidding me?! Rather than finding out what just tried to kill her...rather than asking "What the fuck was that thing?...Kate would rather have a discussion about breaking Jack's heart? Kate. You know, the girl who was smart enough to be on the run from the law and outsmart it for so long, after going through THAT experience, she'd rather have some "girl talk."<p>This week was the same ILLOGICAL, yet convenient bullshit. At the start of the show, they're walking along and they CHOOSE to stop and make camp. Jack and Kate go off, Sayid is alone with Juliet. Sayid, in a true FIRST for this show, FINALLY acts like a REAL person and we FINALLY see someone ask questions that any NORMAL person would ask. "I want to know who you are, what you're doing here, why you're kidnapping kids, why you're drawing up lists, why you attacked us. I want you to tell me everything." Juliet replies "If I told you everything, you'd kill me" at which point Sayid -- again liking like a NORMAL person -- perfectly answers "What makes you think I won't if you DON'T tell me?"<p>I swear, I almost fell out of my chair. I literally cheered. AT LAST someone was acting normal. FINALLY some sense of logic had returned to at least ONE character on the show.<p>Only what do I get? I get Jack stepping in and declaring "She'll tell you when she's good and ready."<p>Huh? Excuse me? Who the fuck is Jack in the overall scheme of things? At that point in time BOTH Sayid and Kate should have said "You know what? Fuck you. In the larger scheme of things, you were only another passenger on the plane, but this is serious shit. She's part of a group of people who not only have been living here amongst us, but attacking us. And based on your submarine anecdote, OBVIOUSLY these morons have had contact with the outside world, or at least a way off this fucking island. And I want to know EVERYTHING she knows about THAT."<p>So again, seriously, at that point in time any NORMAL person -- particularly someone like Sayid who was a fucking former Soldier and who is holding a fucking GUN -- would have turned to Jack and said "Fuck you, she's answering my questions right here, right now. She's not wounded or having to talk while she's bleeding or dying or gasping for breath. We're sitting down, we're making camp RIGHT HERE, RIGHT NOW. She's sitting right there, perfectly fine, and YOU say she's trustworthy enough to join US. So her talking around the campfire right now REALLY doesn't seem out of line."<p>In fact, given that Sayid would obviously care about everyone else back at camp, the moment Juliet said "If you knew everything, you'd kill me" THAT should have been the moment he cocked his gun and said "Bitch, if you're ADMITTING that to my face, now I KNOW you're hiding something BAD. So there's NO WAY you're getting near my friends till you pony up some information. So start talking or I'm putting a fucking bullet in your head."<p>But do we get THAT? No. Instead total illogic steps in and we get Jack saying "She'll talk when she's good and ready." Are you KIDDING me?! Again, logic 101. Even JACK should have been saying "Well, we ARE stopping for the day. We ARE making camp. We might as well talk about SOMETHING, so he's right, Juliet. What the fuck is up with this Island and your people?"<p>I mean, seriously, after all the Lostees have been through or seen, Jack stepping in and saying "Juliet doesn't have to talk till she's good and ready" HAS to rank right up there as most RIDICULOUS moments in the entire 3 years of LOST so far.<p>So that's why I put my mocking comment, Winterchili. I can appreciate that it's a TV show and you want to drag things out, but the logic on this show LONG AGO got tossed out the fucking window. So right now the only saving grace for LOST is to tune in and see IF they'll finally reveal some answers. But while I think the overall "pace" on each episode has improved in recent weeks (which is more of a technical writing/ directing/ editing debate), that doesn't mean that the LOGIC to the show has gotten better by one iota.

  • April 12, 2007, 11 p.m. CST

    To Clarify, jimmy rabbitte, chrth

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    is correct! zing!

  • April 12, 2007, 11:05 p.m. CST

    Triumph Poops...Is Right

    by Read and Shut Up

    ...there's suspending disbelief and then there's completely irrational bullshit. Everything he mentioned in his post hit the nail on the head.

  • April 12, 2007, 11:25 p.m. CST


    by Zarles

    If this scenario were happening in the real world, you'd be correct. Guess what, though? It ain't. It's a TV show. TV shows pad stuff out to make themselves last longer. Yes, ALL of them, even Battlestar Galactica. Fact of life, dude. If they did it the way you describe, it would barely be a fucking mini-series. Yes, Lost is illogical and weird, but so what? It's a damn TV show that's based on mystery and science fiction, and more often than not, that kinda shit takes a while to explain, so take your hat off and stay a while. Wanna beer?

  • April 12, 2007, 11:52 p.m. CST

    Yes...It's Carlton's voice

    by Cheif Brody

    every week. If you listen to him on the's clear as day. Wow...I like the no flashback idea...not skeered to shake things up. It probably be an experiment to see the fan reaction...perhaps Season 4 will be ALL flashback free. Personally, I don't mind them...but a few have been really pathetic...Oh...the fans are intigued by Jack's tatts...let do a flaskback just to show that!! Bai Ling or NO Bai Ling...that one was fluff...Charlie's had a few poor ones, too (the diaper commercial? Ugh). I like them when they show a side of a character we've never seen before on the island...Flashing back to Sawyer conning someone is kinda we know he's a con ON the island....althogh I REALLY wanna see what happened between him & Hibbs during "the Tampa Job". But Juliette's FB's last nite were all terrific. I realize we'll have more time for pressing answers to be revealed...and mysteries to be solved...but I think I'll miss the FB's if they do decide to put the kibosh on them.

  • April 13, 2007, midnight CST

    Triumph Poops

    by Strabo

    I love you.

  • April 13, 2007, 12:24 a.m. CST

    I don't think so.

    by Winterchili

    One of the writers told me in person that he thinks it was the guy who plays Jack's dad doing the "previously on lost" but that he "wasn't sure". Seems to me if it was a fellow writer he'd know. It is pretty obvious that Jack is protective of Juliet and doesn't want someone who has a history of torturing people to find information asking her questions right off the bat. It is frustrating that we care more about the mysteries than the character (save Locke) but it makes sense from a writing perspective.

  • April 13, 2007, 1:06 a.m. CST


    by nopix

    First off, Kate and everybody else is very used to the fact that weird shit goes down on this island. Her goal was to get Jack, not stand around doing this: "What the fuck is that?" "We don’t know, it doesn’t like our fences." "What the fuck is that?" "I DON’T KNOW" "No fuck you. What the fuck is that?" "I DON’T FUCKING KNOW. DO YOU WANT TO FIND JACK?" "FUCK YOU! I'M SCARED OF THAT MONSTER!!! YOU EVIL BITCH!!!!" And then they fight some more and someone breaks a bone this time. And you know what? Kate would take the fucking chance of going out into the fucking jungle again. You call them teenagers, I call them badass. They would be teenagers if they acted like you wanted them to Triumph. ---“In fact, given that Sayid would obviously care about everyone else back at camp, the moment Juliet said "If you knew everything, you'd kill me" THAT should have been the moment he cocked his gun and said "Bitch, if you're ADMITTING that to my face, now I KNOW you're hiding something BAD. So there's NO WAY you're getting near my friends till you pony up some information. So start talking or I'm putting a fucking bullet in your head."”--- Oh my fucking Christ Triumph. First, Sayid really doesn’t want more “blood on his hands” as this episode clearly pointed out. And he doesn’t want to get into a fight with Jack and REALLY start to ruin things as far as alliances and group community is concerned. So he is in a dilemma right now. But he's still smart, so we'll see.... BUT JULIET WOULDN’T FUCKING SAY A WORD!!!!! So he would then have to torture her again, which this episode again spelled out for you. In fact, I suggest watching the episode again. All of your lame ass ideas would go nowhere. And you know what, if LOST was a 20 episode run on HBO, things would be different. But as it is, you couldn’t even come close to writing something like this. This is going to go on for at least 5 FUCKING SEASONS. DEAL WITH IT OR FUCKING LEAVE. And yes, Jack is being manipulated and its making for some great drama. He's a flawed person, but one of the best "good" people on the beach. Maybe Juliet is playing both sides. Maybe she's in the middle. Who knows for sure. But its all fucking great and they can't make a lame brained attempt at "realism"---a truly horrible word to use when describing anything on television, let alone criticism in general---like you would want them too. This episode owned my ass.

  • April 13, 2007, 1:12 a.m. CST


    by wackybantha

    I hate when characters don't ask obvious questions that they should be asking. However, I have a feeling that Dr. Jack is not going to let us down. I believe that he likes Juliet but as he said he knows that she will do ANYTHING to get off the island. I think he's playing her in case she's up to something. What better way to show he cares then to defend her from attacks or interrogations. If I'm wrong....I'll owe you a Coke.

  • April 13, 2007, 1:48 a.m. CST

    I don't love the idea of a Jack Centric ep BUT!!!!!

    by Novaman5000

    You guys are forgetting. Jack was with the others for an entire week. There's a very good possibility that he saw some FUCKED UP shit when he was in the others camp for that time. The flashbacks could show us what happened to him while he was off with them. That would almost certainly advance the story.<p> And as for triumphs complaints, they're legitimate, but honestly, would you really expect ben or juliet or anyone who actually KNOWS answers to give them up? No. Ben would lie or evade the question as he always does... Juliet would just lie. Pushing them would get you nowhere. The characters know this, I think. I'm ok with them not asking much of juliet... yet. I think we can look to Sayid to get her alone and demand answers from her soon enough.

  • April 13, 2007, 1:49 a.m. CST


    by wackybantha

    IT'S ALL A DREAM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • April 13, 2007, 1:51 a.m. CST

    Remember SUPER STRENGTH ETHAN in Season ONE?

    by wackybantha

    What's up with dat?

  • April 13, 2007, 1:51 a.m. CST


    by seanny_d

    I don't think there's any need to attack Triumph over his viewpoint. I completely understand where he's coming from and for some people, having people act in ways that seem to be completely counterintuitive to what a "normal" person would do is damn near impossible to do. <p>On the same token, I also see where you're coming from. I honestly think it's all a matter of perspective. I'm willing to accept the "we don't ask questions" rule generally, as everyone seems to be hiding shit from everyone else anyway. Just like Juliet said, "Did you tell everyone what you did, Sayid? Or did you tell everyone about how you killed Terrence Steadman in cold blood the night before you got on that plane?" <p>These people aren't asking too many questions because they don't want questions asked of them. Most of these people on the island don't want to fucking deal with themselves and the things they've done in life. So for the most part, I get it. <p>At the same time, the others still pose an imminent threat to the Losties, therefore making Juliet a prime source of intel. Jack should seriously pressure her just a little bit more instead of just giving her a break. Please.

  • April 13, 2007, 2:21 a.m. CST

    We ever gonna find out the origin of the Dharma Sharks?

    by Doc_Strange

    I still want to know about genetically enhanced animals with the Dharma logo. I also want to know if I can get laser beams on their heads.

  • April 13, 2007, 2:48 a.m. CST

    So how are they going to deal with.

    by kingoflight

    Back story ? Flashbacks are a used for a reason, that means that new people in the show will have to explain what they have done in the past. Tophat : your proberly well off, the only part of that i might belive is that suns baby is that bald guys not jins.

  • April 13, 2007, 2:57 a.m. CST

    Okay, hold on just a second there Herc...

    by L.H.Puttgrass

    Those episodes only go to 23. What happened to the 24th EP? The first 2 seasons had 24 episodes apiece, didn't they? Why the short season? Is there a 24th EP? What gives?

  • April 13, 2007, 3:01 a.m. CST

    Why am I still up at 3 in the morning?

    by L.H.Puttgrass

    Damn you IRS. Damn you.

  • April 13, 2007, 3:04 a.m. CST

    # of episodes

    by ElPaw

    S1 had 25 episodes. S2 had 24 episodes. S3 has 23 episodes.

  • April 13, 2007, 3:35 a.m. CST

    Season 4 is going to rock...

    by smellmycheese

    especially episodes 8, 15, 16 and 23 (the season finale). If they don't, it'll be a missed opportunity. As for the flashback-less episode, as others have stated, it's just for ONE episode FFS - and probably for a very good reason. My thoughts are that the majority of FBs are *intrinsic* to the show and the Island story! Sure, some are fillers but most, especially the ones that open on a shot of someone's eye, are the episodes to watch closely. I seriously don't understand how people can not see the importance of the FBs to the overall story - especially after Desmond's last episode!

  • April 13, 2007, 3:51 a.m. CST


    by wackybantha

    I wish they would chat about current events once in a while. Like they might say "Gee, I wonder who won the World Series." I know Jack knows 'cause he saw footage while incarcerated. I don't think he shared the info with anyone. What the hell is up wit dat? I also wanna know what they did for fun. Talk about movies or TV. And not fake TV shows like Expose or whatever the hell that's called. Also, have they given up completely on finding a way off the island? No more plans? Have they resigned themselves to live the rest of their days there unless they get rescued some day? OK, I'll shut up now and go to bed. Laters...

  • April 13, 2007, 4:23 a.m. CST

    Flashback-less Island/Monster episode

    by smellmycheese

    I really hope this is the case. I seem to remember reading a rumour a long while ago that we would find out more about the Monster this season. And here's what I hope we learn - that the Island is causing the Losties to have the flashbacks. Rather than current island events reminding individuals of the past, the Island itself is intentionally stimulating, provoking and manipulating (p'haps even creating?) memories to make people behave in a certain way NOW (Desmond is now aware of this but mistakes it as time travel). The reason for this I do not know but I'm positive it specifically occurs on those episodes that open on a close-up of someone's eye. The Monster is certainly involved and able to take the physical form of something from these provoked memories (whether it be Jack's dad, Locke's dad / the real Sawyer, Dave, Eko's brother, a black horse, a cat, etc) ..... The writers know what they're doing and while I'm pleased they pay attention to the fans (such as the brilliant and funny, self-referential episode that was Expose') they're unlikely to change the format of the show for them! The odd change to formula (like the other 48 days and this one) are welcome, just as the comedy episodes of The X Files were, but they're highly unlikely to become a permanent fixture! ... and finally, and perhaps the greatest IRONY - the flashback-less episode will be the one episode to explain WHY the Losties are having flashbacks! Everyone will then realise their importance and will FINALLY shut the fuck up about them! Man, here's hoping...(!)

  • April 13, 2007, 4:26 a.m. CST


    by slkboxrman

    still laughing over "ive seen lots of discovery channel and animal planet specials and never seen smoke monsters" is this TRIUMPH guy for real ? hahahahahahah LMAO x infinity hey dipshit , u do realize this is TV ??

  • April 13, 2007, 4:27 a.m. CST


    by ElPaw

    Season 2 episode "SOS" they established they had given up on trying to get off the island or being rescued

  • April 13, 2007, 4:29 a.m. CST

    speaking of "dropping"

    by slkboxrman

    i almost dropped my pants when i saw juliette naked in the bed , ahhhhh, well naked back down to her butt still strokeable

  • April 13, 2007, 4:32 a.m. CST

    If the finale is Jack-centric

    by The Selecter

    "Is Bai Ling in this episode?" Sorry, somebody had to ask.

  • April 13, 2007, 4:35 a.m. CST

    Bai Ling is

    by ElPaw


  • April 13, 2007, 7:17 a.m. CST

    NOOOOOOO! I want my dog flashback

    by c4andmore

    that would be cool, or an entire episode from the dog's point of view

  • April 13, 2007, 7:19 a.m. CST

    El Paw... the mystery of Rousseau's team...


    Was solved. She killed them because she said they had gotten sick. Why is the mystery.

  • April 13, 2007, 7:21 a.m. CST

    Bring back Nikki, Paulo, Rose, Bernard, Eko, Libby!

    by Blarney-Man

    And Ana-Lucia, and Boone and Shannon and Arzt, and all of the Tailies. Let's have a fuckin party!

  • April 13, 2007, 7:33 a.m. CST

    Amen, Triumph Poops!

    by Blarney-Man

    Couldn't have put it better myself.

  • April 13, 2007, 7:52 a.m. CST

    For all intensive purposes

    by Steve_Dooku

    No, it's "for all intents, and purposes" <br><br> The chess game lock played on the computer is what, the third strategy game we see him play, and the second with a black/white theme (backgammon was the first). Hmmmmmmmm....

  • April 13, 2007, 7:55 a.m. CST

    Want to know the mystery of LOST?

    by biggles2_22

    Go and watch 12 Monkeys. Things will start to fall into place for you. You're welcome.

  • April 13, 2007, 8:07 a.m. CST

    The Season 1 Mystery

    by Ryan30

    I can't believe everyone thinks the smoke monster will be solved. The season 1 mystery that will be solved is who is the con man named Sawyer that James is looking for? Answer: The Man's Dad. I figured that out a long time ago though.

  • April 13, 2007, 8:19 a.m. CST

    12 Monkeys, 12 Monkeys, 12 Monkeys...

    by biggles2_22

    ...therein lies the answer.

  • April 13, 2007, 8:23 a.m. CST


    by Steve_Dooku

    Then why do these people who want to save the species beat the snot out of the crash survivors regularly, happily, and with impunity?

  • April 13, 2007, 8:31 a.m. CST


    by biggles2_22

    Because their humans too, and not perfect.

  • April 13, 2007, 8:32 a.m. CST

    when is the polar bear only episode coming out?

    by Drexl Spivey

    And more hot chicks mud wrestling please. Thank you.

  • April 13, 2007, 8:38 a.m. CST

    GOD DAMN IT NO!!!!!

    by PwnedByStallone

    This sucks.

  • April 13, 2007, 8:40 a.m. CST

    Why no-one asks questions

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    I think it's easy, sitting on your couch, to insist that characters have the same overriding curiosity that you have. But lots of the time, they have more pressing concerns, i.e. staying alive, etc. And as others have mentioned, it's pretty obvious in some situations that they wouldn't get those answers anyway. For instance, a captive is not really in a position to interrogate their captors. I think Juliet being captured is the first real chance the good guys have had to effectively ask questions ... and they have.

  • April 13, 2007, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Smoke monster was sent by the Others --

    by jimbojones123

    Why would Ben tell Juliette everything. If the flashes are brain scans he may have been checking her loyalty.

  • April 13, 2007, 8:53 a.m. CST

    I thought the casket was empty

    by Slugworth

    ...because Jack couldn't get the corpse through customs, so he cut a deal to dispose of the corpse in Australia and was knowingly flying back to the US to bury an empty casket. I never got the sense that the corpse was ever in the casket.

  • April 13, 2007, 8:54 a.m. CST

    Rumple Foreskin

    by sapno_krei

    Your theory is so convincing that I kind of wish that I hadn't read it. I remember reading a very cool, very detailed theory about the answers to be revealed THE MATRIX REVOLUTIONS, and when they turned out to be *totally wrong*, I felt so let down by the movie I actually wished I could hypnotize my memories of it away. If you're right, and the cat has been let out of the bag, is there a possibility the producers will change course on their plans?

  • April 13, 2007, 9:30 a.m. CST


    by Steve_Dooku

    -Understanding this is based on Rumple's theory - <br><br> Because they are imperfect humans "too" is a terrible reason to beat up, kill and terrorize airplane crash survivors. <br><br>But I have to admit, there were a lot of criminals, murderers and ner-do-wells on that plane. Plus an AX a book manuscript and a script for a TV show that fit nicely into the story. Next time I fly somewhere, I'm going to keep all that in mind as I look around the cabin. ;-)

  • April 13, 2007, 9:34 a.m. CST


    by biggles2_22

    Yep, Rumples theory is the best so far. Totally reminded me of 12 Monkeys and I think he mentions Millenium (as bad of a movie as it is).

  • April 13, 2007, 9:42 a.m. CST

    I guess...

    by Steve_Dooku

    There would be little time for "niceties".<br><br> Still doesn't really explain the Clockwork Orange room. It also would show some excellent work by the writers casting a kid (Walt) who would be older upon return - or not. They could just leave it be and he'll never been seen again - but in that case it would be utterly stupid since they really made him out to be such a mystery and major player in the first place.

  • April 13, 2007, 9:59 a.m. CST

    I actually enjoy the flashbacks.

    by rbatty024

    I like the fact there's both a story that fits into the whole mythology as well as a quick little three act short story in the background. I don't think the characters would be as interesting, and a lot of their actions would make little sense, without the flashbacks.

  • April 13, 2007, 10:04 a.m. CST


    by biggles2_22

    I'm pretty sure that the island has some future technology that allows people to bend reality with their thoughts. The "Clockwork Orange" room is part of the process of getting their minds right in order to be part of the community and not do damage to those around them. I also think that's why the Losties are kept in dark about so much.

  • April 13, 2007, 10:39 a.m. CST

    Ben is a writer and implated the "flashback memories".

    by StanTheCritic

    You know it's true. All of the "memories" we have seen have all been created by Ben as a test on the 815ers. You heared it here first.

  • April 13, 2007, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Through the Looking Glass

    by StubePT

    Let's take a look at the significance of the title of the Jack-centric finale: Through the Looking Glass is the sequel to Alice in Wonderland in which Alice looks through a mirror a sees an alternate world on the other side. She manages to pass through the mirror and into Wonderland again. During the story, she finds a mirror-house from which she can look back at her family in the real world. She tries desparately to pass back through but cannot.

  • April 13, 2007, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Rumple Foreskin's theory (more)

    by sapno_krei

    <i>FOUR TOED STATUE: Scientists have said that the pinky toe on present day humans is slowly receding and over time we will evolve to only have four toes. The four toed statue signifies the remnants of a FUTURE society. NOT a society of the past.</i><p> Hmm....Have we ever seen Ben's toes?

  • April 13, 2007, 10:47 a.m. CST

    RE: The super strength others...

    by Cameron1

    my guess is that the island beefs up everyone's physicality to a certain extent. So Ethan who'd been on the island along while was much much stonger than the Losties in the first couple of weeks but now the Losties are getting to be just as strong and agile as the Others thanks to the island's properties.

  • April 13, 2007, 10:49 a.m. CST

    And yes, we did see Ben's toes on the operating table

    by Cameron1

    he has the regular issue 5.

  • April 13, 2007, 11:11 a.m. CST

    Jack is already on the other side...

    by cekma

    He was still passed out when Kate found him. I think he is "in on it" with Juliet. Not saying they are either good or bad. Juliet talking to Jack on the walk back to the beach saying all the things the others did to Sayid and KAte and Jack's "they'll come around" answer to me has more meaning. This season is ending on a cliffhanger and that cliffhanger will definitely have something to do with Jack. His dad maybe. But I think it will have something to do with him revealing the side he is on. I also think Locke has good intentions and is not evil at all. I still think he will be a hero.

  • April 13, 2007, 11:23 a.m. CST

    The future society theory

    by Jonah Echo

    Its a very convincing theory for the most part that Rumpole puts forth. My wife and I have been speculating something similar- that the Others are from the future or an alternate reality(Rumpole's future idea fills in more holes) and they were either discovered by Dharma, or helped assemble Dharma and together have been looking for a way to avert a future/or divergent disaster by drawing certain individuals to the island. Some of this who lives and who dies stuff doesnt seem to be making perfect sense in the context of that theory, but it very well might be the case of these people grabbing a group doomed to die and then utilizing them for some purpose. Actually, if Ben and some of the others are indeed from the future or a different timeline of sorts, then it would be the kind of thing that would actually justify the flashbacks. Imagine an episode that centers on Ben, or one of the Others who are actually from a different place and time and when the flashbacks happen we realize it is a future world, with some sort of cataclysm on the rise that they are flashing back to. That would be a very cool thing to do, and if this theory is indeed in the direction of where stuff is going, I imagine thats about how it would be revealed to us. It would happen in an episode that would most likely have the 815ers learning some of this truth, but we the audience would be shown the future society in glimpses, so the WTF? factor would be higher. Again, its a really cool theory and Id imagine at least a chunk of it is going to be revealed as fact.

  • April 13, 2007, 11:55 a.m. CST

    This just in: Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton ...

    by Lamerz

    ... move too close to each other and cause black hole of hypocrisy. Scientists say that the ever expanding hypocrisy event horizon destroys all rational thought as it swallows up more and more media attention. Anything entering the hypocisy black hole will lose all ability to remember the past actions of Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson that directly contradict what they are saying today. Scientists also mention that the entire media has already been enveloped in the black hole, as Sharpton and Jackson have been able to rail on the comment by Imus as if it were comparable to lynchings and segragation in the 60's, while never being questioned on their use of racially insensitive terms, and the parts played in continually escalating rather than racial defusing tensions, and levelling false allegations.<P> Sharpton and Jackson can't forgive Imus, but apparently should be forgiven for Tawana Brawley, hymie-town, and on and on and on. And Donna Brazile should not even be asked to apologize for saying the Republican party is the party of the white boys. And Spike Lee should be allowed to say that he hates interracial marriage and shoots looks of daggers at such couples. These are some real nice, tolerant, and understanding folks. Clearly we should elevate their opinions on racial tensions, because they are only against The Man. </sarcasm>

  • April 13, 2007, 11:56 a.m. CST


    by Lemming There, see how fucking easy that was? Jesus it's the most annoying thing about this site.

  • April 13, 2007, 12:01 p.m. CST


    by Thunderbolt Ross

    Post some more news please.

  • April 13, 2007, 12:04 p.m. CST

    The VO is Lloyd Braun DAMMIT

    by Bibo

    "Previously on LOST" is voiced by Lloyd Braun, the executive who greenlit the show then got fired. They tossed him a bone fragment and kept his VO. Wikipedia it mothafuckas! You owe me an apology.

  • April 13, 2007, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Just to add - Imus IS a loser ...

    by Lamerz

    ... I'm not defending him. I just wanted to point out that Sharpton and Jackson are fucking hypocrites and should not be given the importance and attention that the media loves to shower upon them.

  • April 13, 2007, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Yo DevilCat-Forbidden Planet...

    by Bibo the Tempest. Maybe you knew that. The island is Setebos. Everybody go read it, or be in it, or rent a movie version. I'd like to discuss the parallels.

  • April 13, 2007, 12:53 p.m. CST


    by PwnedByStallone

    So your problem is really the media, not Sharpton and Jesse "Himeytown" Jackson. I wish more people would realize that its the media, particularly the corporate media, that is destroying this country, not so much the people they obsess over.

  • April 13, 2007, 1:05 p.m. CST

    A Possibility...

    by GOB Adama

    Perhaps rather than flashing between a past and present version of a character to drive a thematic point, PERHAPS (and I am making a slew of reasonable assumptions, here) the episode will compare the present of Locke and Sawyer in their encounter with the man who affected their lives so deeply. Perhaps even resulting into Locke's transformation (or rejection of) full 'Otherhood' and Sawyer's 'redemption' and (possible) shedding of his alias (but hopefully not his attitude, fun stuff) as the Sawyer identity is finally laid to rest. So say we all... or just me, I suppose.

  • April 13, 2007, 1:12 p.m. CST

    One interesting thing that's bothered me for a while...

    by Ravetin

    On the S1 DVD they show that the original name of the series was "The Circle." Obviously that can refer to a lot of things, and certainly might mean nothing at all, but what if the sci fi/mystery aspects of the show were originally more uprfont? I think given recent events with Desmond and whatnot, ideas about a 12 Monkeys-type loop are rather apt.

  • April 13, 2007, 1:16 p.m. CST


    by Leopold Scotch

    Only people who conceive on the island die when they give birth. Rousseau didn't conceive on the island so she was fine. Similarly, Claire was fine: the ONLY reason she was sick in this week's episode is because they implanted her with a device which they could control to go off whenever they wanted. Juliet knows this, but as far as the surviors know, EVERYONE who is pregnant on the island dies without Juliet's intervention. The real reason they intervened with Claire is probably due to the fact that it would be damn helpful to have guinea pigs in this isolated situation.<br><br>Juliet explains that the island isn't allowing intrusive growths to form on bodies. This explains why people can't get cancer and why cancer on the island (except Ben, and the fact that this was acknowleged on the show this week suggests that the inconsistency is deliberate and WILL be explained).

  • April 13, 2007, 1:23 p.m. CST


    by Steve_Dooku

    Good catch. <br><br> Locke is sort of an exception somehow (or not) Since his broken back was fixed (it's not a too-mah)<br><br>

  • April 13, 2007, 1:24 p.m. CST


    by Leopold Scotch

    It helps if I finish sentences.

  • April 13, 2007, 1:28 p.m. CST


    by Leopold Scotch

    I really like rumple's theory (I like a few different theories, and posted one of my own in the episode tb). Just off the top of my head, though, we saw direct real time comms with the outside world in this week's episode (unless as some people have suggested, it was faked), and I'm not sure how this would work if Ben hadn't set up an elaborate fake system with pre-recorded footage.

  • April 13, 2007, 1:41 p.m. CST

    I wonder....

    by kdoc13

    I wonder if it is possible to put the flashback scenes of someone like Jack, in actual temporal order, kind of like watching the version of Pulp Fiction that goes straight forward without the flashbacks? There would be a lot of gaps, but that might be interesting.

  • April 13, 2007, 1:48 p.m. CST


    by Bibo

    (Okay, I just wanna call it Pigpen. I have a penchant for that polluted Peanut.) Does it always appear after injuries happen? Juliet's dislocated shoulder for one... Maybe its primary purpose is as a medibot (I know this isn't the first time the idea's been brought up; it hearkens back to all the nanobot theories since season 1.)and it acts like a security system because it's really acting as a macrophagic type thing...the immune system of the island as an organism. On a tangent: it's more and more like ROVER from The Prisoner. Who'd win in a fight betwixt 'em?

  • April 13, 2007, 2 p.m. CST

    Hippocracy Black Hole...

    by GOB Adama

    That's hippocracy AFRICAN AMERICAN hole, thank you very much!

  • April 13, 2007, 2:02 p.m. CST

    About "never asking questions"...

    by GarryDavid

    Some people wonder why the losties "never ask questions." Myself, I wonder why people wonder about that. Haven't the Others made it crystal clear on numerous occasions that they refuse to answer questions? It would get pretty old pretty quick to have a scene in every damn episode with an 815er asking Ben (or whoever), "Who are you people? What are you up to?" and Ben just giving them that bug-eyed stare in return. But I guess that's what you morons want.

  • April 13, 2007, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Can healthy conception occur on ISLAND # 2???

    by wackybantha

    If ya wanna have babies, do it on ISLAND # 2, DAMN IT!!! CASE CLOSED!!!

  • April 13, 2007, 2:06 p.m. CST

    Imus is an Other

    by GarryDavid

    "I'm a good person. I'm not a bad person." -- Quoth Imus last week, very closely paraphrasing Ben when he was held captive near the end of Season 2.

  • April 13, 2007, 2:07 p.m. CST


    by wackybantha

    It will be a crossover episode with the new Indy film. I don't understand how but it should be interesting.

  • April 13, 2007, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Does anyone else think it's weird that...

    by wackybantha

    ....there are 2 LOST talkbacks. One about the episode and the other about losing the flashbacks for one episode. I say merge them, DAMN IT!!! heeheehoohoo!!!

  • April 13, 2007, 2:13 p.m. CST


    by PwnedByStallone

    There's a new Transformers TV spot in which Prime speaks and somehow it doesn't even sound like Cullen.

  • April 13, 2007, 2:13 p.m. CST

    It must human nature then to just be a moron

    by Steve_Dooku

    It's clearly a plot device to keep the viewer interested as the mystery enhances the story conflict (writing 101). It just gets a little nutty when characters in a story such as this are placed into all these crazy situations (in *conjunction* with surviving a horrific plane crash!) and they are content to not really know what the hell is going on since they have been acclimated to being jerked around within about 80 or less days.

  • April 13, 2007, 2:17 p.m. CST

    When Jack and crew came back, they were told about ....

    by wackybantha

    ....the demise of Nikki and Paolo. And he was heard to utter "Who are Nikki and Paolo?"

  • April 13, 2007, 2:20 p.m. CST

    Sawyer knocked up Kate. Now she has a timebomb inside..

    by StanTheCritic

    Yes..Sawyer is now that baby daddy of Kate. The question is? Will the baby kill Kate? Sun is just the decoy as she had sex before she got to the island.

  • April 13, 2007, 2:25 p.m. CST

    I hate the Flashbacks

    by Succatash

    Kill the flashbacks, they are so boring and annoying.

  • April 13, 2007, 2:28 p.m. CST

    PwnedByStallone: Yeah the media does piss me off ...

    by Lamerz

    ... as do the hypocrites Jackson and Sharpton, all of whom are complicit in exploiting race relations for monetary and personal gain. Jackson and Sharpton get the media hype and $$$, the media gets viewers and advertising $$$. What a bunch of whores ... the lot of them!

  • April 13, 2007, 2:33 p.m. CST

    To add: Jackson and Sharpton are screwed if we all ...

    by Lamerz

    ... live in harmony. Their careers are based on sticking their noses in every potentially racial incident across America, whether it is racial or not. Oh yeah, did good ole Jesse every apologize to the Duke lacrosse players for convicting them without a trial?

  • April 13, 2007, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Wouldn't it be funny...

    by GOB Adama

    If the Others have been 'dumbing down' the Losties to be less curious (or whatever). First via Ethan and/or the caves ("Oo! Fresh water! *glug glug*). Later via DHARMA brand sedi-snax. And most recently during direct contact. Jack is the most Other-exposed and he's half a look away from Derek Zoolander, right now ("Male models are conditioned to do as they are told." "No we aren't!" "Yes you are, Derek!" "OK"). Not that I believe that, it would just be funny. So say we all... or just me, I guess.

  • April 13, 2007, 3:11 p.m. CST

    I had no problem with the flashbacks...

    by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies

    In season one when they told stories instead of pointless elaborations. The flashbacks about newer characters are still good like juliets and desmonds ekos etc. But the ones for the orginal losties have more than run their course.

  • April 13, 2007, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Why no-one asks questions

    by Thunderbolt Ross

    I think it's easy, sitting on your couch, to insist that characters have the same overriding curiosity that you have. But lots of the time, they have more pressing concerns, i.e. staying alive, etc. And as others have mentioned, it's pretty obvious in some situations that they wouldn't get those answers anyway. For instance, a captive is not really in a position to interrogate their captors. I think Juliet being captured is the first real chance the good guys have had to effectively ask questions ... and they have.

  • April 13, 2007, 3:17 p.m. CST


    by jimbojones123

    So Prime didn't sound like Venger?

  • April 13, 2007, 3:18 p.m. CST

    The flashbacks are meaningless and boring

    by jrbarker

    more often then not.

  • April 13, 2007, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Who killed Shermdog?

    by jimbojones123

    Did he leave when the Smallville Talkback updates left? Herc really hates the CW huh? Farewell GG Talkbacks nobody used. And VM always sucked.

  • April 13, 2007, 3:23 p.m. CST


    by jimbojones123

    Are the island stories just not that interesting to the writers?

  • April 13, 2007, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Sherm still trolls the 24 talkback.

    by PwnedByStallone

    I think.

  • April 13, 2007, 3:32 p.m. CST

    4-toed future...

    by GOB Adama

    As much as I like Mr. Foreskin's idea, I PERSONALLY would have a hard time believing that humans who have evloved to the point of losing a toe (and built a big statue, let it fall into ruins, etc.) would behave enough like 21st centure humans to be able to pass.

  • April 13, 2007, 3:35 p.m. CST

    4-toed statue ANSWER!!!

    by wackybantha

    The sculptors screwed up and the "leader" decided that they had spent enough money on this damn statue already, and he wasn't about to spend more for it to get fixed, DAMN IT!!! Either that or the statue is of COMIC BOOK GUY.

  • April 13, 2007, 3:55 p.m. CST

    4-Toed Statue explained

    by biggles2_22

    Peter Griffin from Family Guy has 4 toes AND is constantly having flashbacks. Coincidence? I think not!

  • April 13, 2007, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Mikhail (patch man) IS NOT DEAD!!!!

    by StanTheCritic

    He is back and ready to kick some Jin ass. How he faked his "death" I don't know.

  • April 13, 2007, 4:33 p.m. CST

    FUCK YEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by PwnedByStallone

    3.19 is Locke flashback. Woohoo!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • April 13, 2007, 4:35 p.m. CST

    The notion of evolving "out" of the 5th toe...

    by Bibo

    ...troubles me. Seems like there would need to be some environmental circumstance such that only those people with the genes for increasingly tiny (or nonexistent) baby toes would procreate (or survive long enough to). Since I can't think of such a circumstance present in our world today, I wonder how these experts come to that idea. I'm not saying it'll never happen, just that I wonder where they're getting it. Sometimes people think evolution is some set sequence, like since we're evolved from species that had lots more hair, and we have less, our descendants will automatically be less hairy than we are. Who knows, if this GEICO caveman thing catches on, it might become sexy to be hirsute...hairy guys get laid more, more hairy babies are born, and so on until we evolve into wookies again.

  • April 13, 2007, 4:55 p.m. CST


    by J Skell

    in the finale. calling it now. I think they really want to do it (hell they planned on doing it in the pilot) plus he's done so much flashback already and the best way to warrant such a big flashback is to resolve the daddy issues and kill him off

  • April 13, 2007, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Yeah, that's what I'm thinking too, J Skell.

    by Cameron1

    I like Jack, he's actually my favourite character on the show. But it does seem right somehow, although I would have liked a few less but more intense flashbacks for him.

  • April 13, 2007, 5:04 p.m. CST


    by CorpseRide

    Not so true... we lost our tails, remember? Growing tails, or toes, costs energy, and if we save energy by not bothering, that helps us out by meaning we have energy for other stuff, like shagging. Or we don't need to eat as much, which means more time for shagging. Either one is cool!

  • April 13, 2007, 5:50 p.m. CST

    Jack's Death

    by PotSmokinAlien

    remember that he was gonna die back in the pilot, too... when michael keaton was gonna play him and kate was gonna be the main protag. but so does this update indicate that both parts of the finale feature jackbacks? ...i mean i would say yawn but its the fucking finale. we gotta have some major christian shepherd revealage there. are for those that dont believe he is a major higher up in what's going on: think about all the religious shit on this show. his name is CHRISTIAN MOTHERFUCKING SHEPHERD, like a guy who herds christians as if they are sheep. i doubt that is coincidental. plus he's the protag's father, man. they are always up at the top

  • April 13, 2007, 6:06 p.m. CST

    by ElPaw

    by emeraldboy

    To answer some of you questions. The black Rock was a 17th Century ship from portsmouth in the UK and washed up on the island during a storm in the south seas, Rosseau killed her entire crew, when they got sick. Walt posesses the power to make objects come to life.

  • April 13, 2007, 6:07 p.m. CST

    Thanx, guys.

    by Napoleon Park

    Um, by the way... A lot of people were complaining about AICN losing last weeks Lost talk-back and not being able to repost it. But no one seems to have said thanx for making up for it by having two threads this week. I'm a fan of the show and sometimes the chats here are more entertaining, thought provoking and informative than they are vexing. So, uh, you know. Thanx.

  • April 13, 2007, 6:11 p.m. CST


    by ElPaw

    a) How did it wash up miles inland? b) I can accept c) that's just speculation, yet to be confirmed on the show.

  • April 13, 2007, 6:20 p.m. CST

    Jack Flashbacks

    by lordgrimplemort

    Jack is still one of my favorite characters, but I do think it's incredibly stupid of him to trust/protect Juliet like he is. I'm hoping that he's smarter than he's acting and is biding his time for a big kickass moment when the Others attack or whatever and he doesn't really believe her. But as much as I like the character, I worry about another flashback so soon. I hope it's a flashback to his time as in Othersville. If not, I'm scared that the writers are just going to do like they have with so many other characters and show that he's really not that great a guy after all by changing him into a murderer or rapist or something. Enough screwing up the character of my favorite characters, writers!!

  • April 13, 2007, 6:24 p.m. CST

    I hate Jack. He's an asshole.

    by ZeroCorpse

    I don't like Kate, either. Locke and Hurley are OK. Claire's a bitch. Charlie's a flake and a selfish prat. Sawyer may actually have some potential, but when the show started I hated his guts. Sayid is kind of a jerk. I think the best person on the island is probably Russo, and her hottie daughter is a close second. Juliette is too close to call.

  • April 13, 2007, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Jack is a douche

    by Itchy

    And everything about him sucks the life from this show. I was geeked when I thought the finale was Ben Linus flashbacks. Now I just want to barf at the idea of another helping of Jack Sandwich. Give me more goth-Claire and less - FAR LESS - Jack.

  • April 13, 2007, 7:10 p.m. CST

    Elpaw, the question of how the Black Rock

    by Novaman5000

    Made it so far inland is one of the mysteries of the show. The characters know it's strange, Hurley even asks: "Guys, how does -THAT- happen?<p> We haven't been told anything about it yet, but I don't think the writers have forgotten.

  • April 13, 2007, 10:23 p.m. CST

    'all intensive purposes' ???

    by ArcadianDS

    how about all intents and purposes. <p> I agree with Novaman - the only mystery for me so far is how an ancient slave ship winds up stranded in the middle of an island.<p> Oh wait - I guess a simple rogue wave or tsunami could have done that. Oh well, mystery solved and rather underwhelmingly if you ask me - for all intensive purposes and whatnot.

  • April 13, 2007, 11:24 p.m. CST


    by wackybantha


  • April 14, 2007, 12:22 a.m. CST


    by arsonlarsen

    Perhaps Charles Widmore is the man who has stock in Oceanic Air, Driveshaft records(or whatever label), DHARMA phramacuticals and Chicken Shack, Inc. What a connection!

  • April 14, 2007, 12:27 a.m. CST

    Silly goose...

    by keanho_in_nyc

    We HAVE seen Locke since he saw his dad... when he said goodbye to Kate.

  • April 14, 2007, 12:52 a.m. CST

    Well...The fact remains...

    by Cheif Brody

    ONE flashback free episode would actually be pretty cool...especially if it provided extra time on the island for a bunch of answers to long standing mysteries to be revealed. But to get away from FB's altogether would really piss off a lot of Lost traditionalists. But...the show usually detours away from the standard formula a couple times a season (The Other 48 Days, 3 Minutes, etc)...Certainly the last Desmond-centric eppy detoured quite a bit from the norm...when the lil old lady in the jewelry store began breaking the fourth wall in his FB. But...I stand by my belief that I'd rather have an eppy with NO FB's than another Jack/Bai Ling ho-hum outting. do plan on checking with a FEW different sources before buy your original sources "tips" hook-line-and sinker next time, correct?

  • April 14, 2007, 1:19 a.m. CST

    It was a misleading headline anyway...

    by DarthCorleone

    One episode without flashbacks does not imply that they would make a habit of it.

  • April 14, 2007, 1:20 a.m. CST

    How the ship got in the middle of the island...

    by DarthCorleone

    Werner Herzog drove Klaus Kinski insane dragging it there.

  • April 14, 2007, 3:12 a.m. CST


    by wackybantha

    Is the Island they work on ok to live on, conceive babies, and be free of smoke monsters, and other crazinesses??? If YES, then everyone should move there.

  • April 14, 2007, 9:38 a.m. CST

    where are my sharks with freakin lasers on thier heads!

    by Maniaq

    OK that was a marathon read of not very much interesting - except for Rumple - good theory! Somebody called you on the 12 Monkeys reference (lack thereof) still one of my fav movies... <br> <br> Anyway, two things I will just throw together, you know, like a juxtaposition kinda thing? <br> <br> (1) Ben was born on the island<br> (2) Nobody is allowed to be born on the island<br> <br> Assuming Julie's (back)story wasn't bullshit and Claire is proof that it happens at conception, this goes a long way towards the theory about immune systems and foreign objects... hmmm... A thought just occurred to me - does anyone know how many toes AARON has? <br> <br> While I'm yackin... I HOPE THIS SHOW NEVER EVER EVER LOSES THE FLASHBACKS! <br> EVER!<BR> EVER EVER EVER!<BR> This show did for flashbacks what 24 did for splitscreen and if you've watched an ep of that other show lately, you'll know it has completely lost the very devices which made it cool and interesting back in the day. OK maybe not completely, but in any meaningful way anyway - no more split screen, no more superimposed clocks counting up or down - except in a very token way at commercial breaks or the end of an ep... I *SERIOUSLY* hope that LOST does NOT lose (pardon the pun) the flashback because it is such a great device that other shows (Ron Moore you lousy hack!) tried to copy but couldn't make it great like this show does.<br> <br> <br> oh btw... The Transformers movie is finished. I've laid hands on a copy, although we were only allowed to watch a half an hour of it by a *VERY* nervous UIP who made it clear it was not copy protected and would not ever be out of their sight! Sorry- couldn't make a copy...

  • April 14, 2007, 10:32 a.m. CST

    I hate this show/I love this show!

    by Neil Peart

    Why do I keep watching when I know that with each viewing I'll only be strung along further? Am I a fool to think that there will be answers?

  • April 14, 2007, 11:52 a.m. CST

    It's not that they can't give birth to babies

    by ElPaw

    They just die if they conceive on the island. So Benry's mummy and daddy did the icky somewhere off shore on a boat or submarine.<p>Also, the condition could be fairly recent, maybe since "the incident", otherwise why wouldn't they have got some fertility expert in sooner, not waited to 2001

  • April 14, 2007, 12:56 p.m. CST

    We will learn that flight 815 DID LAND.

    by StanTheCritic

    and there are 2 timelines now.

  • April 14, 2007, 3:12 p.m. CST


    by Cheif Brody

    If 815 landed....then that means the flashbacks lie. If the flashbacks lie...Lost fans will revolt worse than Bay directing Tranformers (btw, Maniaq...what's a UIP? An Un-Important Person?)...815 landed CRASH landed. Aleternate timeline? The show is confusing enough without that sci-fi shit clogging up the works. Go back to your basemant and work on some new theories, please.

  • April 14, 2007, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Ben's Birth

    by PotSmokinAlien

    it might have been on the other TB but someone around these parts theorized that ben came out of the magic box (figuratively speaking) and that is how he was "born" there.

  • April 14, 2007, 11:13 p.m. CST

    John Terry does the "previously" voice

    by growltiger

    John Terry, who portrays Dr Christian Shephard (<em>great name</em>), does the "previously" on Lost voice over.

  • April 14, 2007, 11:35 p.m. CST

    No he doesn't.

    by Bibo

    It's Lloyd Braun you fuckin guys! Look it the fuck up! I heard it on NPR and it's in Wikipedia...and before you gimme the Wikipedia is often fulla shite line...I heard it on NPR!!! I'm coming to get the next chump who says it wasn't Lloyd Braun...unless you can convince me I hallucinated. It was Lloyd God damned Braun. Fuck!!!

  • April 14, 2007, 11:39 p.m. CST


    by Bibo

  • April 15, 2007, 1:48 a.m. CST

    Here it is:

    by Cheif Brody

    Over at Lostpedia...they list both Carlton Cuse and Lloyd Braun as the possible VO suspects. I personally think it's Cuse.