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Content In honor of Juliet's tramp stamp!!

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Content Don't we bloody all!

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Content Damn if you think she is hot on this show you need to watch the Roswell dvd's...she looks wayyyy hawt in that show and with no dick shrinking accent either.

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Content Don't trust her at all. Or Jack for that matter, really. Sawyer in charge? Screw that! It's loooong past time for Sayid to start calling the shots! Lost has been picking up momentum lately and seems back on track. Trim the fat, writers. Get your endgame together. Wrap this thing up in one more season & don't fall prey to Twin Peaks syndrome.

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Content ...could have gone over that fence wtf ?..but whatever...its definately time for an underwear scene of kate..just like in S1. I wonder when they finally bring aliens into the storyline ..its so obvious. Superman:The rise of Kumar

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Content why they were taking the children since it features Ethan, Claire and the statement "Because I did it to her", which is probably Juliette's response to how she knows so much about Claire's medical condition. Man, I'm hoping Claire isn't being set up to be killed off. Not only is she a little hottie but has one of the more interesting backstories. She's barely featured this season (1 FB ep, compared with dull Jack's 3!) and I'm sure Charlie's death is just a ruse so that Claire's death is an even greater shock. It will also mean that Aaron is raised by anOther, something the psychic warned her against. I'm hoping I'm wrong. We shall see...

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Content God, she's a kinky bitch. Must go spank monkey.

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Content masturbation? Now that we are finding out some of the big shit I really hope whatever answers we get are as good as the mysteries they provided.

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Content The Season Finale will be Jack-centric, not Ben. Confirmed by Ausiello over on TVGuide.

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Content do you a) leave her be, accept bygones will be bygones b) send her back to the others c) ask he what the fark is going on... no wait, you mean we're finally gonna get some answers? OMFG, this is have to see, i just hope when some crucial question is going to be asked, ther's not like a massive emergency like claire being ill or something like that. see that would really annoy the fuck out of me. thank god for sayid. he seems the only intelligent one out of that bunch.

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Content I am now now Season 2 Dvd Volume 3 or 4. This does contain spoilers so anyone who has not seen the show or has not bought the DVD's should look away now...... In the 1960's america was split really and divided really badly. 2 college students called the degroots decided to set up a multi phase experimental program(One part psychological one part pyschiatriactal one part spiruatual and one part pavolian experiment)and called it the Dhamra Initiative. In order to get backing and sponsership for thier program they went to the Multi-millionaire Dr. Albert Hanzo, who gave them the money. The idea was to create a utopian paradise where all races could live together. This project would be life long but there was an incident of some kind so replacements were needed so along comes Rousseau and her team and she kills them all(we know this maybe bull and that she maybe part of ben's barmy army) and hid in the jungle after Ben's barmy army took her daughter. The only guy who thought he was alone on the island was the army guy played clancy browne, then along came desmond, who thought he was the only guy on the island untill he meets clancy brown drags our desmond into the hatch and orders him to press the button. desmond was on the island for three years on his own(but he wasnt of course) and managed to bring down flight 815 by accidently not pushing the button. When it did come down, ben's barmy army used this to their advantage and infiltrated the survivors an like with Rosseau and the tailies they took the children and vanished into the jungle. It happened again last week too, where for some reason the others left juliet, jack and kate behind. We will soon discover why locke sided with ben's barmy army, they have lockes dad so that means his story his nearing resolution, jack has no idea that claire is his sister and ben's barmy army know this and it could revealed becuase juliet knows everything about jack and I do mean everything. The makers make clear this is a show about redemption and spituality but unlike muck like seventh, it does not shovell it down your throat. The people on the island killed people, took drugs, were adulterous, alcoholic, greedy, claire didnt want her baby and so she was all about to give it up. the island gives people the chance of starting over all again. all the people on the island have a connection or they have met before like the time in the bar when sawyer met jacks dad. or when kate meets her step father the amry sargent on the tv its sayid, who is being brought into us custody. or there is the scene with boone who wants to bring charges against Shannons boyfriend and who do we see but sawyer. Oh and one more thing the producers do know where they are going, on dvd commentary for the 23rd psalm, Carlton Cuse says that even though it even though it does appear that they appear to be flailing around in the dark. They do set-up stories to be used later on and that nonsense with abc and the end is just that nonsense. on the pilot JJ abrams says that they always envisioned 5-6 to six year show. This year abc spun the whole thing about the meeting and the end and the lost haters lapped it up.

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Content ...will never be as good as the ones we have in our heads. With Lost, I suspect, the final destination of this journey will be something of a let down.

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Content ..aliens...youll see.

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Content http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=No_Lfsr4jbg

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Content It's nice to see they're recognizing talent and rewarding it, in spite of it being his first full year on the show.

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Content Dear God, if I could reach out with my mind I would stop your heart! I hate you.

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Content http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciG-Xs7mBwU

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Content Dear God, if I could reach out with my mind I would stop your heart! I hate you.

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Content The "virus/sickness" thing Rousseau keeps going on about (incidentally, she might have followed Locke and Ben etc when they left the suburb area).<br><br>The proper reason for the child-snatching.<br><br>Why Juliet didn't know about the monster.<br><br>Whether or not Juliet and Ben were together (sounds like maybe it was Juliet and Ethan and that Ben was responsible for their seperation, but that's just speculation - I don't really care about most of the romance crap anyway).<br><br>Whether Sayid has the testicular fortitude to go ahead and torture another woman after what happened last time.

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Content I love you too, dearie.

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Content COME ON -- why not post a new talkback after everything was back? I was at work at 8am Eastern -- and NOTHING. Put a place holder in. You guys are really not looking cool at all after that. Could have been handled MUCH better. Take notes for next time. Lost talkbacks average well over 500 posts a week. I'm not sure of the overall % but the posts usually start Tuesday and continue into Thursday/Friday. That's about 1/2 week of people just checking that one post. Pay more attention to your site's fans. We would appreciate it. I'm sure this won't be the end of these kind of posts, but it may be the nicest!

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Content ...links to this article http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MGE4Zjc5ODU2ZmUyODFlMjE1MGFmNjUzNDc1ZTExMDI= now that is gravitas!

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Content I'd be packing up my shit and moving into the others village. A bunch of empty houses with running water, electricity and a big fence that keeps the smoke monster out are just a few miles away. It's not like they're insulated from the Others where they are now, so they wouldn't be giving anything away by moving, and there's a chance they might find ways in the village to better defend themselves should the Others return. Julliette would be able to show them hidden weapons caches and other secrets of the village. Screw sleeping on the beach under tarps and palm branches! Oh, and Leopold - Julliette admited to Kate that the Others were aware of the smoke monster, but said they didn't know anything about it, except that it "doesn't like our fence."

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Content ...what Stephen King book it was? I'm pretty sure it was confirmed, ad nauseum, to be "Carrie".

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Content WHERE'S LAST WEEKS TALKBACK?

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Content Was waitin' for you!

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Content Leave Herc the fuck alone. He gives you this nice site to basically shit on, as most of you do, and this is your thanks. Jesus, we should have one talkback alone about how great this site is, but NOOOOO. We are Americans so lets bitch about every free thing that is given to us like we have a right. Why dont you go read a fuckin book or something you mouth-breathing trogladytes. Actually, no, you bitchers should all go live in a vacuum where you can be perfectly happy with NOTHING TO BITCH ABOUT. Then again, that would negate your very essence of being. Pussies.

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Content Sorry, if my favorite character keeps torturing without impunity, Smokey will be forced to give him a smack-down ala Ecko.

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Content Chill -- a courtesy re-post is all we are asking for. So out of the question????

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Content I've forgotten everything I was excited about last week... But I am super excited about this week!<BR> I do remember someone bringing up that Sayid won't really torture Juliet, and would like to point out that she knows what he was. She doesn't know that the he has changed. He just tortured Ben a few weeks ago. I am willing to bet he shared that info. No, if I were her I wouldn't mess with Sayid.

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Content "...we should have one talkback alone about how great this site is, but NOOOOO." You are a tremendous douchebag if you are serious. This is possibly the dumbest thing posted in the 8 years I've been visiting this site.

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Content I don't mean to harp on this but it was shitty not to repost the TB last week. Every other TB was restored except for that one. Are we supposed to NOT complain about that? This is one of the more popular TB posts on this site and they left us with our thumbs up our asses.

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Content The Dharma founders are getting a flashback? Cool, maybe we'll see them get tattoos or something. <p>And "DeGroot" has to be an anagram (or part of one) for something. Spelled sideways, it could be "Get Door" or "God Tore" or I could just be completely grasping at nothing. Wouldn't be the first time...</p>

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Content For acknowledging that Hurley as Sawyer's foil has been a "WTF?" situation. Now that Jack is back, hopefully he will return Sawyer's balls to him. I hope he took care of them and we will not find them lacking.˜

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Content I love Juliet, and I'm hoping this episode will help shed more light on her and her motivations. If she is not truly a spy for the Others, she needs to come completely clean and tell them everything, emphasizing that she was a held here as a prisoner for 3 years. <p> Captain Tripps, I thought the same thing about moving into the Others' old digs, but then again, how can you ever be sure it isn't a trap? At least you know where you stand if you stay in the same place. I'll be shocked if someone doesn't at least suggest it, though. <P> Smokey being stuck on the other side of the fence doesn't seem that surprising to me. We haven't seen any suggestions that it can climb trees and have we ever seen it be completely airborne (i.e. perhaps it has a connection to the ground or simply can't fly). <P> I agree with biggles2_22, if Sayid does torture Juliet (and I'm hoping he's all talk), he might not be around for too long. You've got to change your ways or die on penance island.

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Content My brother and I were talking about that nice, empty village that was sitting and thought, "Boy, it sure would be easier to film on a nice set rather than deal with the logistic and sound issues that a beach offers." I think that they will head out sometime this season to check out the village and then move in. I hope that dog can sniff out C-4 since the others seem so fond of decorating their homes with it.

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Content ...this week's Lost might not either. I know this makes no sense but it was nice to finally get an episode of 24 last week that reminded you why you started watching the show in the first place. Lost desperately needs an episode like that to partially redeem what has been a truly horrible season.

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Content Shannon and season 2 double's whammy killing of ana-lucia cause she got what she deserved for killing shannon and libby who was killed accidently by micheal. This season Ecko died and the death of Charlie has been hinted at. Here is how I think things pan. Claire dies of the virus and this quick, short and shocking death sends charlie over the edge. Cause despite the religion he is very fragile.

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Content ... or hover over the fence: My guess is Smokey's very sensitive to the certain electromagnetic or sonic frequencies that power or are utilized by the fence. Regular humans can climb over the pylons, avoiding the full brunt of these frequencies, but Smokey can't even go near the things as he's sensitive to even the "spill-over" frequencies generated by the thing. It's not so much that he's vulnerable to them, it's just that he 's more sensitive to them than humans and doesn't like to even go near them. That's my guess, anyway. Maybe one day we'll see what happens if Smokey tries to go through the fence... my guess is "KA-BOOM!"... another implosion.

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Content Look, that's not really that big of a surprise. Sawyer knows that everyone hates him or at the least that people hate the way he treats them. All Hurley did was tell him that people were going to do something about it. Sawyer believed it, more than likely because the truth about Sun's kidnapping just came out, and he's a little worried. Hurley used this to make Sawyer realize that he could act differently and be received differently. To Sawyer, having to act nice was the lesser evil when compared to having to leave. The con worked because what Hurley told him was not much of a stretch.

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Content Twice now. It's foolish to harp on on Sawyer got conned by Hurley. Seriously, why is it so hard for some to believe that a con man (and not a very good one, let's be honest) can get conned himself?

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Content You beat me to it.

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Content ...you had other options. You don't always have to go right to thumbing yourself when you aren't sure what to do with your free time.<p>As for Sayid, I think he's safe for the time being. Smokey won't attack you if you stay with a group, and Sayid always seems to have one or two potential redshirts in close proximity. He's cagey like Captain Kirk, that Iraqi is.

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Content On this Very Special episode of Lost, they're going to answer _more_ questions. Like, does Jack wear boxers, or briefs? Kate: shaved or trimmed? (I actually wouldn't mind if they demonstrated that one for us). Sayid: does he really smell like curry? (I'm so very sorry.) Yeah, the "questions" Lost seems to be answering this season are questions no one gives a shit about. Wake me when they tell us what the fuck the Island is, and why Dharma is there.

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Content ...is the phrase used to describe someone who look's like they smell, and I assign that title to Locke, Hurley, Sawyer, Sayid and Jack.

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Content I'm glad I fast-forwarded through Kate's stuff last weak. It made for 30 minutes of actual useful information.

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Content Yeah, I can see it now. The flashback is to Jack during his college days running track. He finds that he's getting a nasty case of heat rash around his groin from all the running and sweating. So...in the last minutes of the episode, he changes to boxers! Featuring additional flashbacks to his stadium run with Desmond where he demonstrates his complete lack of heat rash.<BR><BR>Seriously though...tonight's episode is going to be filled with twenty minutes or so of Sayid verbally sparring with Juliet. In the closing seconds of the episode the two of them will come to an understanding where she's finally ready to start talking. Then *boom* LOST. The end. Next week will pick up with some pressing emergency wherein Desmond has to save Charlie from cutting himself while shaving, thus interrupting the continuation of the conversation, upon which the conversation will be completely forgotten.

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Content Maybe it's cos I don't feel so obsessed with it these days, but now it's just boiling down to good fun for me. I like the fact they're on a revealing tip all the time.

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Content Dude, you've been putting your thumb up your ass? Ew.

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Content People -- Lost DOES sometimes have episodes that manage to be excellent character studies, intensely dramatic, and answer questions. This'll be one of them - cause Sayid WON'T accept no for an answer.

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Content ...something a thumbs up, he means it.

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Content she's 100% natural breast, has tender white thighs and is partial to a bit of cock. I'd say she's already half way there.

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Content "Thumbs up our asses, thumbs up our asses." Anyone remember what it's from?

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Content Calista Flockheart + meat - Ford.

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Content Michael Bolton was saying it about the position Intertech (SP?) would be in if he used his Superman III virus to steal their half pennies.<p>I believe Mrs. Wermer (SP?) from Animal House also made a thumb-in-ass reference at the end of that film, but hers was more literal.<p>There is a long tradition of ass thumbing in comedic cinema.

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Content No, but it kinda reminds me of "I eat pieces of shit like you for breakfast!"

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Content Its "Thumbs up THEIR asses, thumbs up their asses" you toolbox. Jesus, get the quote right you spierman underoo huging, thumb up your own ass, anal affixated, whining d-bag. If my comment was the stupidst you had read in the 8 years you must never read your own! OUCH! BURN. Did everyone see that. He got burned. MEDIC, MEDIC, we have third degree burns over here. Your an idiot and if I was even as partially as stupid as you I would break my hands then cut my fingers off so I could never infect the world by typing the sort of idiotic, nonsensical banter you pride yourself on. Pussies.

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Content I'd really like to see them if not. Is that a season finale thing?

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Content Dude, welcome to the world of Not Knowing What's Going On. It's pretty much the theme of the show.

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Content perhaps someone has mentioned this already, but perhaps lostzilla is earthbound in some way (like when it was pulling Locke into the hole or ripping up trees through its passage) and as such might be able to reach over the fence (or not), but couldn't pass it. Thoughts?

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Content That's it. Thanks. And askholia is right on the line. I stand corrected. You're still a fucking immature dweeb though askholia.

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Content Herc does this every week. Enough already.

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Content Don't you want to call us motherfuckers like Capone earlier this week. As if that's an insult.

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Content That was irritating. So my theory on the nanocloud (dammit, that's what it is - they lied) is that it couldn't go over the fence because whatever it is that it doesn't like goes all the way up, but whatever that is doesn't affect humans. It is a bit annoyign though. Hopefully they can explain it.

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Content So are we ever going to get back to that stuff with Desmond's girlfriend and maybe some "off the island" stories? With that in mind, I'll throw out a possible season finale idea...they get off the island.

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Content Desmond has another flashback next week and we just had an off the island story last week.

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Content About "One of Us": Quote:Tonight, you will learn how Juliet came to the Island, and why the Others so desperately needed her miracle-grow baby-making science. You will learn more about Ethan's infiltration of the castaway encampment in season 1. You will learn how the Others know so much about the castaways. And the ending... well, it's killer. From the very end, after the speculative portion of the program: Quote:Yes, folks: I have seen more than just tonight's episode. And they're good. REALLY good. And if you want a hint of what's to come, how about this: Remember Charlie's question in the pilot — ''Guys... where are we?'' Well, having seen the next couple episodes, I think a better question would be this: ''Guys... WHO are we?'' Source: Doc Jensen

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Content Harold Perrineau was supposedly in talks for coming back for the finale but turned it down, still talks are in the works for next season. Who knows. I thikn it'd be a fucking travesty if that storyline wasn't wrapped up.

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Content Well, so far I think Season 3 has been a better, and far more interesting season than 2. Season 2 seemed to chase its own tail once the tailies joined the survivors on the beach. Characters like Charlie and Sawyer seemed to turn on the whim of the writers. I feel like theres been more consistency this season, though not much actual information or answers have been revealed. Now something I have noticed, and may be off-base on, regards Locke's father. Ben makes mention of the way the island may be able to give you what you desire. For Locke it seems clear that the miraculous healing of his paralysis was his answered "prayer" if you will. So why is Locke's dad on the island, unless its been done by the Others, or just a wierd random coincidence? If Locke's father was "summoned" to the island, who was responsible? I have always thought that Locke's father and the man who conned James' family(the real Sawyer) were the same person. When Locke recognized that James wasnt giving his real name, how did he know that? Im assuming that even after the paralysis Locke doesnt give up that obsession with his father's criminal activity. Did he learn of the alias at some point? If thats the case, then the arrival of Locke's dad on the island is possibly of even more importance (or interest) to Sawyer, than for Locke. Ive felt that recent events that have caused Sawyer to face his humanity are helping to develop him for this eventual confrontation, which Im hoping occurs this season. *Possible spoilers* It has been mentioned that Sawyer will take a journey of sorts with Locke, and that "something Sawyer never thought would happen is about to happen". Will this be the confrontation with the man who so deeply affected his life? The only potential problem here is that now you have two survivors whose lives have been majorly damaged by this guy, and both with potential axes to grind. If this story point does come to fruition, will it provide a context for Sawyer and Locke to interact more? Both are the most "outcast" of the current group on the beach. Barring Juliette now of course.

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Content There's not much more than what was in the teaser at the end of last week, but it makes me wish it were already 10 o'clock! http://urltea.com/4r5

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Content Damn you and your tantalizations!

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Content I was definitely bitchin' in the earlier half of this season, but thing have definitely picked up. Mostly the all-others 6 episode run stunk and then they had to get out of it, but it's been back on track since then.

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Content JACK-CENTRIC. I hope that this is either a foiler or an extreme departure from Jack's other eps. I swear to god, we do not need another Jack backstory ep this season, and the writers HAVE to know this. The only way I'd be happy about this is if it shed some light on his time with the others and we get some crazy new information. Ben-Centric makes SO much more sense.

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Content ...is on to something.<p>After all, Locke was the man who had everythign he'd ever wanted since coming to the island (he was able to walk, hunt, advise and commanded respect).<p>Ben admitted to Sawyer that he was a con man back when they faked his chest implant and showed him the island. He put so much emphasis on that line, in fact, that I thought it had to mean something more. If Locke's dad is, in fact, responsible for Sawyer's life path, the Others would surely know this. And there's no way Ben wouldn't use something like that to his advantage.

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Content Glad you liked it! It was fun performing live as well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EW7odCDPUmk

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Content Not only did I beat you to it, I almost made myslef late to a meeting doing so. Stupid work interfering with my Lost Talkback time.

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Content so we still dont find out about his dad getting to the island. a poster was right huh, it wont be for 5 episodes. o well this episode looks pretty damn good. LETS GO SABRES!!!!!! the Islanders are gonna get spanked.

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Content I mean myself. Stupid fat fingers not doing what I tell them to.

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Content im with you as for lockes dad being the actual sawyer who screwed sawyer over when he was a kid. but how would they get together since locke is now with the others. will he come back to get him in the middle of the night or something.

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Content I believe the words Ausiello used where "I'm _hearing_ (emphasis mine) that the finale will be Jack-centric." This doesn't mean that it is. He often hears things that turn out not to be correct, and he tries to be clear about the speculative stuff versus the confirmed things. I think this is in the speculative column for now.

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Content She knows more about it than she is letting on. First she said she had no idea what it is. Then she said she only knew how to defend against it. Why would she lie at all? The fact that she lied about it to begin with means she is holding back information.

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Content She said she lied about it so she would fit in with Kate. since both of them were druged and left in the woods, she wanted Kate to feel that they were in the same boat.

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Content on this site. Its anyone who has nothing else to do but naysay a show that they apparently hate and yet continue to watch, or (even more retarded) don't watch at all and yet still have an opinion. HUH?!

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Content She said that. But I do not believe her.

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Content Maybe it won't be about him back on mainland. Tt could be about him with the others between surgery and playing football. I know it probably won't be, but I can hope.

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Content My inclination at this point is that both Jack and Juliet are still being played by Ben. It doesnt make sense that Juliet had both a knife and a key to the handcuffs. If the Others did gas them both why would they let her have a knife in such an obvious place and a frikkin key? Now based on what we found out last week, the only possibility as I see it is that she knew they were leaving and engineered everything that happened with Kate, just like she said, or the entire thing was a setup, and she and Jack are up to something. Im leaning toward the second option.

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Content ...about Juliet being a lying bitch.<p>I'm pretty certain she's been playing Jack from the first grilled cheese, and it kind of pisses me off because I like Jack and I get upset when he turns into such an easy mark toward the end of every season (like when he led the group into the Others' trap last season). Makes it tough to keep respect for the character, who is really one of the only purely likeable ones on the show.<p>Which brings up an interesting point (for me): The smoke monster is obviously punishing the naughty. And it went after Juliet as hard as it did Kate (like a fat guy at a Sizzler buffet). So I think that kind of answers the question about whether she's really one of the good guys or one of the bad guys.<p>Kate's an unrepentant murderess. Straight-up, plain and simple. So what did Julie do that was so bad?<p>I know she pretended to plan to kill Ben but, even if her intent had been serious, Smoky doesn't seem to punish based on intent. Smoky seems to take the hardline Christian approach that you can do whatever horrible evil shit you want to as long as you say you're sorry.<p>So what's hiding in Juliet's closet?

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Content 1. Who the hell is Ausiello? 2. Juliette IS a lyign bitch. 3. GO RED WINGS!

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Content Rousseau defined smokey as a "security system" designed to protect the island. When it came upon Kate and Juliet, it stopped and focused a light on Juliet (not Kate, just Juliet). Perhaps this was the same light Locke saw. Then it suddenly retreated. The next day, it was after both of them. Think about it.

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Content go google Ausiello and lost spoilers... She dishes em out like no tomorrow.

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Content I think that dapper is right... But maybe more people were killed by smokey earlier on because he hadn't accepted them yet. Maybe smokey just needs some time to get used to them like a dog. maybe he isn't as smart as we think

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Content I imagine that if Locke knew that his father was the man responsible for Sawyer's issues, he very well might go and get Sawyer. He did help Charlie back in season 1. Also, theres those tell tale signs of a fight(complete with bandaged hand) that Locke had when he talked to Kate. Im guessing Locke already had "family time" with Daddy by the point he talks to Kate and decides to leave. Did he kill him? Its unlikely I think. But at two different points in the series Ben seemingly tried to warm up to both Sawyer and Locke, and if he knew they both had a common ground, who knows?

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Content SMOKEY AND VINCENT ARE COUSINS!

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Content What a dildo. His column is like a needle being driven into my head. Anyway if the last episode is Jack centric that would be a serious mistake on this hows part. It has to be Ben.

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Content ...crimes or sins that they are being judged by?<p>I've been keeping kind of a running tally:<p>Jack, Locke and Claire seem to be without sin prior to landing on the Island. Yet Locke, who doesn't seem sorry for anything he's done in his life, has already gotten his reward while Jack, who's sorry for shit he didn't even do, still seems to be going through the ringer. Claire's test was her pregnancy and childbirth, which I thnk we can all agree she passed and received a reward for in her healthy son.<p>Sawyer was a con man who preyed on people's hopes and emotions (although it could be argued he was testing people's resolve against their greed and lust, making him a tempter and instrument of the Island more than a sinner to be tested) and doesn't seem the least bit remorseful. Clearly he's greedy. I'd have thought the smoke monster would've come for him by now. But it's looking more and more like the island's actually going to give him what he wants most (a chance at revenge on Locke's dad, the man who conned his mom).<p>Sayid tortured people, but seems to have already come to terms with that and has apologized to the people he felt he needed to. Even if he did it again, I don't think Smoky would kill him for hurting folks. Only if he failed to feel and express remorse for it (like Eko).<p>Then there's Jin, who seems to be sorry for his entire pre-Island life (as an angry criminal and would-be hit man for his pops in law). Aside from lapsing into ocassional fits of wrath in season one (for which he's apologized), he seems to be doing just fine on the Island. And his wife, a lustful adulteress who, it seems, is very sorry for that transgression, has been given the baby she thought she couldn't have.<p>Which brings us to the Wonder Twins of self pity: Hurley and Charlie. Hurley's sin is clearly gluttony, which he was tested with earlier in the series (being put in charge of the food). He seems to have eventually passed that test (although he's still inexplicably fat) and was rewarded with his VW bus ride. Charlie, who's failure to act (be it due to apathy or sloth) to save himself or anyone he cared about in his previous life seems to be his sin, is being tested right now with the knowledge that acting to save another will almost certainly kill him.<p>I'm not including any of the characters who were killed by the free will of other characters or whose tests were orchestrated by the Others (who are, I believe, being tested themselves). So Shannon, Boone, Ana and Libby really were kind of "pointless" deaths in the grand scheme of the Island's purpose. What that purpose is (other than to test), I have yet to come up with a decent theory for. I still think it's a man-made purgatory.

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Content the season finale should be a desmond flashback. Except he flashes... DUM DUM DUM... Forward. Could be kinda cool, seeing where all our losties are a couple years down the line. Some of them would have adopted the others. Some would have probably stormed alcatraz or othersville and started a new society. That would be cool, we would still probably get as many answers as a flashback to the far past cause by then everybody would know a lot more.

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Content About a week ago folks thought there was a "DeGroot-centric" ep coming up. Now they are of the opinion that whilst it will feature the DeGroots, it will not be DeGroot-centric per se. This site always seems to be a week or so out of touch with its Lost spoilers. If people want better quality spoilers, there are various sites out there. It's a matter of taste, but my personal favorite is this page: </p> http://www.lostpedia.com/wiki/Season_3/prespoilers </p> I'd trust the folks over at Lostpedia before anyone else.

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Content for the dream that Sayid is having about the whole show. That's how it will end people

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Content My theory is that Juliet was NOT being pursued by Smokey. Kate was the one with the X on her back. If you'll remember, when the gals were cowering in some trees, Smokey eyeballed Juliet, did some sort of scan (with a flash) and backed off. This leads me to believe that Juliet was never in harms way from Smokey. Oh, and regarding how Claire and Sun got preggers and the Others have not, I've got two words: Doggie-style. Yum!

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Content As I said in the last tb before it got squashed, I get that they are trying to redeem Sawyer and in the last ep, they were using Sun and her censuring looks as his yardstick. The only thing is that her yardstick is not much taller than Sawyer's, what with her keeping things from Jin. And I get that that Ben, who's character has been defined as a master malnipulator, could best Sawyer into believing something that wasn't true. But Hurley? Really? Table tennis? Reverse psychology? Sawyer might not have been the best con man but he has certainly been portrayed as a decent player of the game. If it is your feeling to be okay with that, I'm not going to begrudge you that fact, but it falls flat for me. When Jack was Sawyer's foil, it never seemed silly. Sexy - god, yes, but silly?

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Content Matt -- that's his name. Monster musta been really mad at him -- he didn't even brain scan him like Eko and Juliette.

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Content Jensen seems quite psyched about tonight, as well as the next few up. There's some words worth reading -- http://www.ew.com/ew/article/0,,20034304,00.html --

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Content That's a good point re: Jack, Locke, and Claire. There might be something to Jack's guilt it was his fault his dad died. In season 1 his mom seemed to place some blame on him, I believe. Claire's could be a pregnancy out of wedlock, but that might place emphasis on a cultural/religious imposition. Locke -- damn, I can't narrow that down. Anyone?

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Content Vanity is a sin. Or, rather, pride. He does seem very proud of himself. But doesn't the monster consider him "good"? Why look for his "sin", I think he'd been categorised as a "good guy", by Jacob/Cerebus.

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Content Remember when he was convinced the hatch had been yet another con he fell for? He was very down on himself for a long while after that. Only recently has he climbed out of the self-pity hole and sort of surpassed the quiet-yet-humble confidence he exuded early in the show. I think he's starting to believe his own hype (and the smoke monster Ben's blowing up his ass), which would definitely make him ripe for the pride sin.<p>It'll be interesting to see at what moment the Island or Old Smoky pick up on that change in his character and how he's treated after that. Will his legs give out again?<p>Interestingly, I think Ben's crossed over into serious envy territory since meeting Locke.<p>Have we covered off on all seven yet?

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Content ...seven stranded castaways on Gilligan's Island. Coincidence? I think not.

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Content ..." in the post above ('cause you can't tell me Ben Linus doesn't have a copy of John Doe's manifesto in his bungalow somewhere).

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Content I don't think the smoke monster is judging people for their "sins". This show is called "Lost". Whenever the question is asked, what is this show about? The producers respond, this show is about people who are lost on an island and are lost in their lives. Those are the bad people, the characters who are "lost" in their lives. Locke wasn't lost on the island, he wanted to be on the island. Because of their past lives, they are (as Mikhail put it) angry, etc. In other words, they lack focus. And this keeps them from communicating with the island. And this makes the island protect itself by unleashing smoke monster as a self-defensive measure. Although, I'm not saying the monster isn't man-made. It could easily have been made to weed out people who aren't supposed to be there.

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Content spoilerfix had the season finale as bencentric (they changed it today). Now that is a foiler that is going to piss people off. <BR>Bencentric vs. Jackcentric. Hello! of course the fans want Ben over Jack. Leaking false information is uncool, because the false info is so much better than the true info. Now, saying it's a Jack episode when it will actually be a Ben episode... that is cool.

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Content I conceed that there is one MAJOR thing that bugs me about this show. If Capn Jack is right (and damn you for spilling spoilers without warning us first! I couldnt resist!) and Jack saves Juliet before she spills the beans, then tonights Ep might leave me a bit pissed. I have to say, last week when Juliet seemed like she hadn't ever seen the smoke monster I got excited. The mystery of season 1 was so much fun, and I miss that but dont despise the direction of the show either. But faced once again with the prospect that the island wasnt completely discovered even by the Others i felt the show was coming back to first season glory. My problem is that the writers seem to be taking too many storytelling short cuts. Its seems like every time the characters are put in a position to find out some real information either some convenient interruption happens or they dont ask pertinent questions. For example, not once last week did Kate deem it important to press the issue of the smoke monster. The same thing happened with Jack and Cindy. And Jack and Juliet. And Jack and Ben. And Locke and Ben. Thus far Lost has been such an engaging show. I really enjoy a lot of the plot points that have been introduced (ie. Desmond Quantam Man blew me away, creepy white haired Other chick is a great addition, John falling to the ground, the real Sawyer strapped to a chair) but i think it was lazy to have Jack Sawyer and Kate all in the Others camp for the first quarter of the season and not reveal at least some secrets. On top of that, they seemed to indicate that one-eyed man would be relevant in some way, but after leading him around the jungle neither Locke, Sayid, Kate, or Danielle thought to ask him anything pertinent, then they just killed him off. So far this show has been a great ride, and i hope the ends justifies the means, but it seems to me that they have been taking these characters that we have come to care so much about, and deconstructing them to the point that they just dont seem all that believable anymore. Its not over till its over, but they need to hand the Losties back their balls, and quick. I was thrilled at the end of season 2 when Jack looks at Kate on the pier and nods to her. I thought that he had some sort of plan. Did anyone else think the same?

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Content Yeah, he was down for a while... but then again I consider self-pity a form of vanity, so it's all the same to me....

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Content Good versus Bad - Ben often refers to people as being good or bad. The children are good; the kidnapped are good; the survivors are mostly bad. Those who are deemed "bad" have sinned prior to coming to the island. Except Locke. Locke - When Ben was being held in the bunker, he told Locke that the Others wanted to take him because he was good. They just never could. Smokie the Monster - Smokie has the ability to look into the souls of the people it runs across. The first encounter, Smokie will "take a picture". For the bad ones, they will see horrific images of their past in the black smoke (like Eko). The good will see beautiful white flashes of light (as Locke and now Juliet witnessed). The bad will then be killed by Smokey upon their second encounter. If you remember in Season 1 when Locke, Jack and Kate were walking back with the dynamite, Smokey grabbed Locke. Locke told Jack to let him go. He was not afraid of Smokey because Smokey saw Locke as good. The Island - It's magic. It grants wishes like a genie. Whatever you most desire, it will provide. Locke wanted to walk again. Rose wanted to be cancer-free. Charlie wanted his guitar. Sawyer wants to come face-to-face with the Real Sawyer (Locke's dad?). Walt - Walt was unique because he possessed the same power as the island but outside of the island. If you remember in his flashbacks, he seemed to have the uncanny ability to make things randomly appear. That's why the Others were so very interested in him. Sins - Jack is still unknown. Kate is a killer. Sawyer is a killer/con-man. Sayid is a torturer. Charlie is a drug-abuser. Claire put her mother in a coma. Sun is an adulterer. Jin is still unknown. Hurley's curse has caused much death and destruction. Locke has none. Juliet has none. Eko was a murderer and drug trafficer.

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Content <b>Ben has her rehearsing the plan.Everything from dragging Kate out to the jungle handcuffing themselves together and coming back to the camp. - Even the implant they put into Claire to make her sick in the next 48 hours where he will leave the meds so she can save the day. He then gives her a gas mask and tells her he will see her in a week.</b><br><br> I hope there is a good reason for all this crap because that is pretty whacked. <br><br> Jack bails her out before she can answer any questions. Great.

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Content ...have or, until recently, had some degree of "poor me" syndrome going on. But I see Locke's climb from self pity and doubt to supreme confidence to outright arrogance as the kind of Hubris Greek tragedies are built on.<p>He could become a very bad baddie and remain sympathetic by virtue of what we've seen him go through. That would be a helluva direction for the character arc and would really force Jack to man up.

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Content Breathe. Now take a moment to collect your thoughts. OK, now you can type. Don't worry, no one is going to scoop you on these Earth-shattering revelations. There's no need for run-on sentences to capture that stream of consciousness. And wait...before you submit, please spell check. Thank you.

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Content ...Locke is Gilligan, constantly thwarting any development that might lead to answers about or a way off the island. Which, by implication, suggests that Gilligan didn't really want the castaways to get off that island, either. Hmmm...

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Content I think the argument is kind of pointless. Obviously all the characters fall into some kind of gray area, which is how people actually are in real life unless your in Bushworld, so arguing who's good and who's bad and that Smokey is deciding this is kind of ridiculous and childish. I believe the smoke monster is nothing more than an emotionless machine that has either malfunctioned or is being controlled by some yet unknown person for some unknown purpose. It's actions have been randomn since day one.

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Content ...(which I shared until recently, but Smokey's behavior really doesn't support that interpretation...especially post Eko), but your assertions that theories which differ from your own (and happen to be based on evidence the show is providing) are somehow foolish or childish really just reveals you as the sort of pompous asshole the rest of us would feed to the smoke monster at first opportunity (after torturing you a bit with no specific questions for you to answer). So how about stuffing your groundless smugness down your hatch and pressing the button to keep it from getting out again?

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Content And hopefully it can continue the trip back over the shark.

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Content I think Sayiid is the mole.

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Content Jack and Ben are the same person and both "jack centric" and "ben centric" are right.

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Content And why don't you fucking take a pill? I think you read a lot more into my post than was intended. Must be a Republican to get that kind of violent, knee jerk reaction. Go write another two page long post nobody gives a fuck enough to read.

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Content I agree. While the first half of this season was iffy, it has picked up. I miss the more focused story of season 1 where we constantly saw every character every week. It has become a different show, and all the characters are very distant to each other right now, but i do think (or hope) that at some point they will come back to Jacks "live together or die alone". Hopefully by the end of Losts run we will all llook back on our frustration and say "OOOHHHHH!!!!! Now I see what they were doing!" Or we'll say "What a waste of a Wednesday that was."

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Content I think we all know how Sun got pregnant. I mean, do I have to post a picture? [Illogical Lesbian Implication™ brought to you by Calculon, who encourages you all to envision a Lost spinoff including Juliet, Sun, Kate, an undead Nikki, and Bai Ling]

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Content Is because when they do give you answers, after teasing and teasing for months or years - the answers are so satisfying that you can see it really was planned all along and everthing comes together and makes sense.

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Content What a lame attempt at humor..... and yet it brought up an interesting point, one I'm sure someone must have pointed out. What if Juliet is somehow directly or indirectly responsible for Sun's pregnancy? Has anyone pointed this out yet?

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Content If all this monster judgement crap is as straightforward as everyone here is saying, I'll be disappointed. The fact is that it's just speculation.<br><br>For all we know, the monster is like the Wizard of Oz, and it assumes different appearances depending on who it confronts. As such, all this boring "sin" bullshit might be just that, because you're all basing your judgement theories on Eko's experience with the monster, and we all know that Eko himself (being a religious man) was largely concerned with sin. Who's to say that it's the same with eveyone?<br><br>And Ben and Mikhail's comments about Locke being "good": I don't think it's as simple as morality. All those theories about Karma etc are carelessly stretched out and they ignore about a hundred inconsistencies. I for one am confident that the monster's actions will be explained better than "Eko had it coming from a moral standpoint, John didn't, and neither did Jack, Claire, Jin, Hurley (blah blah blah) because they are all pure and innocent." Cos that's just lame.

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Content <p>1) As jimbojones mentioned, the pilot didn't seem to be "judged" by Smokey at all when he was killed. Plus, he seemed like a rather nice fellow in the Claire flashback.</p> <p>2) People seem to be forgetting that Smokey attacked Locke. He tried to drag him into the ground and only let go when Jack threw dynamite down the hole.</p> <p>3) Rousseau doesn't seem to fear Smokey. But I don't think it's because Smokey has scanned her and found her to be "good", thereby allowing her to live.</p>

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Content Everyone I know thinks he's a douche but I keep telling them he's the best of the lot, committed, honourable, proactive and damn smart. I agree that Juliet is definitely playing him and that's a shame but hopefully he'll pull it back in the finale.

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Content Their definitions of "good" and "bad" aren't the same as ours.

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Content It isn't judging people by morality, but rather who is meant to be on the island - which has something to do with personalities but not necessarily morality as you guys are suggesting.

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Content I totally agree. They obviously know where they are going with this. My feeling (and I could be wrong) is that they have new writers on staff. It just seems silly that they keep putting the characters in prime positions to get answers then not giving up anything. I don't mind drawing things out, but lazy story-telling makes me nervous. It pisses people off and Im worried it will piss of the actors and then we will get abrupt departures leaving certain character stories hanging. It was tough enough having Eko leave unexpectedly, I would hate to see one of the other major characters leave. Already we have had a number of characters depart rather prematurely. Some of them I could do without (I CANT STAND Michelle Rodriguez), some of them had sad but poignant departures (ie Boone), and some were abrupt and unnecessary (mainly Shannon in my mind, a character who had so much room to grow and was never given a chance, and who's death seems to have, at least so far, neutered Sayid's character).

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Content Judging the main 815 passengers.<P> <P>Someone brought this idea up earlier, and I thought it would be good to try to capture it.<P> Locke: Did he kill the cop at the weed farm? Apparently not. He's been judged as good.<P> Jack: Betrayed his father. (Could consider this the right thing to do, but the idea of what is good/evil seems a bit murky) Also neglected his wife that he had married only because he felt the need to fix her.<p> Sayid: Tortured people.<p> Eko: Drug lord.<p> Sawyer: Con man. Murderer.<p> Jin: Perhaps not murderer, but awfully close to it.<p> Sun: Betrayed husband. Possibly carrying another guy's kid.<p> Charlie: Drug addict who blames his brother for his addiction and resents his brother's new clean life.<p> Hurley: Gluttony? Greed? I'm not so sure on this one. <P> Kate: Sociopath in hottie's clothing. <P> Rose/Bernard: ? Unless the island judge has an issue with interracial marriage, I've got nothing.<P> Ana Lucia: Revenge killer and liar who betrayed her responsibilities as a police officer. <P> Libby: We never got to know enough.<P> Michael: I really can't remember. Was there anything? Maybe that's why he got to leave. He had to come to the island to learn to be evil.<p> Boone: Lust for sister.<p> Shannon: Self-centered, manipulative and a con artist. <P> Pikki: Thieves and murderers. <p> Claire: Maybe smokey or whoever judges on craphole island doesn't like unwed mothers. Alternatively, maybe she's good and that's why she's alive and still has Aaron. I'm not sure on this one either. <P> Did I forget any main people?

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Content You're more sensitive than I'd have imagined, especially given the complete lack of braoder understanding you've demonstrated concerning perceptions that differ from your own in this and virtually every other Lost talkback I've seen you post in.<p>You imagine yourself quite the Internet authority on the topic of this show and you attack anyone who disagrees with your interpretations.<p>Bully for you, tough guy.<p>But you also presume way too much.<p>I have no idea how you got to politics from my telling you you were coming off like an asshole, but you would need to actually leave the planet to be further off base in your presumption about my politics. WHat that says about your presumptions concerning the show, I'll let the rest of the talkback sort out for themselves.<p>In the meantime, do keep blustering about not reading posts you then respond to, though. It's almost as amusing as your pretending to have the first idea what you're typing about.

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Content See, I think the way the deaths have gone down is as follows - Boone was Locke's fault, not the island's. We don't know anything about Steve (or scott), the guy that Ethan killed so for all we know he could have been a kiddy fiddling cannibal. Charlie was a definite bastard in his old life, Ethan killing him can be argued as moral (plus I think that the island gave him a second chance after the hanging and he fucked it all up with hurting Sun and now he's living on borrowed time like Desmond says. Arzt's death was hiw own fault not the islands, Shannon was again not the islands doing.The guy Goodwin killed could also have a been a psycho-necrophiliac-killer. The others pushed Michael to kill Ana the murderer and Libby was an accident, all the kids they took are definitely in a safe place in my opinion. So it's very very possible to make a case for the others and the island to be saving and protecting the good or innocent people.

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Content I don't think deaths on the island (or deaths by the monster) can be attributed to justice and morality. Rather, I'd say it's more to do with the determination aspect. It's about fate, not justice. Who cares if someone was a heroin addict, or someone else had a kid but wasn't married? I mean I'm glad found of useless info went to all the effort of making that big list, but only because it shows how much that particular theory has to be stretched to make it valid.<br><br>Speculation is the best part of theses talkbacks, so don't be offended if all the morality stuff is something you adhere to, but I just hope there's more to it than "he/she deserved to die from a moral standpoint".

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Content ...the more I watch the more I think it's just a security system that determines a safety factor of the people that it encounters. That "safety factor" is whether or not they are in control of their thoughts and emotions. If you're still a hatchet weilding psycho, guess what? Smokey will bounce you like a new Spaulding.

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Content I think that aspect of determination is something very important in fact I hope there is a least some pseudo mathematical/scientific reasoning for how they all ended up on the plane etc etc but I do think that there is also an aspect of morality at play there, especially with the Others setting themselves up as good guys and with how the characters lives on the island correspond to their morraly attribuatable action off the island. But yeh I agree that hopefully it's going to be much more than a "learn to be good or die!!!" type of thing. And hell knowing this show I'm probably all types of wrong about all of this.

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Content I just want to fuckin slap that shit right off her face when she does that. Let's see, I agree that Sayid should just be like, "spill you guts." However, Pussy-whipped jack won't allow that to happen, because well, he didn't allow it to happen to Ben....(but later admitted it should have continued) Claire's sickness/baby story will hopefully fit with Juilet being on the beach now. If I were Sawyer, I'd never allow her to stay one night on the beach. The chick's still lying, and even tho she turned on Jack dring the surgery, Jack's still cool with her. Fuck spiting Kate, he's bringing and OTHER to the beach to live. FUCK THAT NOISE. I'm with Sayid.

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Content I think that people on the island are meant to have some kind of profound responsibility if they're to live there. It relates to my "throne of the gods" theory, which is just as speculative as the theories I've targetted above. Maybe the monster judges whether or not they're worthy to stay on the island (but I still think this goes further than whether or not they're sinners in the conventional sense).

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Content Hmm I dont really know where I stand on all this good\bad stuff, but Im not sure i agree with all your conclusions. I don't think it would be definate to say Boone was Lockes fault, after all Locke didnt push the plane over. Charlie is iffy - no commment. Arzt was an accident, but like Boone you could say the island was responsible (although again that is uncertain). In the end I dont think it is valid anymore due to what we now know about the Others and Dharma to assume what we did before about the nature of the Island. My guess is that it is not an issue of morality, at least not completely, like we considered back when theories of the island being purgatory were popular. I'm not discounting the purgatory ideas completely, but based on what we know I think the answers in the end will be more scientific then mystical (which may turn out to be dissapointing, like learning that the magic trick you found so mind-blowing had a simple unimpressive explanation). Whatever the case may be, the fact remains that it is still too early to say for sure about anything. Now if we could just get solid some answers...

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Content If smokey is just a security system that kills those that aren't stable... why didn't it kill Ethen or Nathan. Both men killed people. <BR> Why isn't it killing people before they kill? <BR> I am still convinced it is finding people worthy or not. Whether that is by a set of programed rules or what it sees in their head I don't know.

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Content And that Juliet is lying and the Others have control over it. Remember how it went right up to Juliet and Kate, it made flashing lights at Juliet. Probably "scanning her mind" the same way it did Eko (and presumably Locke during his "beautiful light" experience). By scanning her, smokie realized she was an Other, and then promptly retreated. By the next day, Smokie learned that Juliet is no longer with the Others and therefore is trespassing on the island. This all fits in with what Rousseau originally said about Smokie being a security system that protects the island.<p> I'm not saying I even agree with my own theory here, but the pieces do seem to fit together.

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Content ...theory I was kicking around as some reflection of whether or not I think the characters deserve to be judged for perceived sins. That just seems to be what Smokey and the Island are doing to these Losties (at least the ones that don't die by accident or kill each other): Making them confront things in their past that fit a predefined criteria for "good" or "bad" and, if the latter, offering an opportunity to repent.<p>I sincerely hope that there's more to the Island than that (which is why I'm still entertaining the notion that it's some bizarre purgatory experiment concocted by someone with a rather frighteningly hard-line view of morality), but the more we see of Smokey's interactions with the Losties, the more I buy into the argument that it's somehow become sentient and is judging people based on what it sees (and, actually, a computer trying to wrestle with complex issues of morality would kind of explain the seemingly black-and-white/simplistic approach it's taking to the determination of who gets punished and who gets rewarded).<p>As always, just thoughts based on what we've seen so far.

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Content When Juliet and Kate were in that tree, hiding, smokey passed Juliet by, temporarily, stopping and it appeared to look her in the eye. So I think The Smoke monster is some kind of Scanning device, juliet said that they had cameras all over the island. The same thing happened to Locke in season one. When He was asked about it in season one he said that he saw into the soul of the Island and what he saw was beautiful. I am just getting a little suspicous of John Locke. Why did he leave kate on her own and then go with her when kate, sayid and jack and juliet were going into the forrest. his behaviour is odd, really odd. almost as if he is an other himself or something. Kate gave up all the info after being tortured one presumes. One presumes there is a connection between locke and Ben Linus, otherwise why bring lockes dad to the Island.

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Content that is afraid of water? Why doesn't it just go to the beach and whack everybody it deems "dangerous"?<br> <br> The closest it ever got was the tree line.

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Content The Others talk about who's good and who's bad, that's evidence enough to say there is an element of morality to it all. Not that that is the only thing or even main thing, but I have to say it's something you can't really ignore, morality and mortality being so closely correlated on the island.

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Content Could support my overall grand theory of the show (which, although flawed, is going on what we know so far off the top of my head). I'll post my theory in a few minutes, but skip it if you don't like long posts.

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Content The writers are slowly but surely resolving this series to the point where next will be the last. Or season 5. Because the writers will have to explain the whole antartica thing(season 2 finale": mrs. widmore: we have found it..."

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Content It is basically the same as mine (and therefore correct!) and NetProphecy, and a few other people. But I'm interested in how you will fit Smoke Monster into it because I can't make heads or tails of that thing.

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Content ...at least for those of us with an open mind and an attention span longer than a gnat's pecker.<p>;)

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Content Although it's been mentioned, yeah, smoky can lift Eko up 20-some feet in the air to crush him against trees, but shits it pants at a sonic barrier, chasing island "hostiles?" It was chasing for a reason? So, it just gave up. Hosed. So many scattered deals with this thing makes me upset at myself for specualting further. When it is explained sometime, I think I might be intrested, but I just don't find the smoke monster an appealing storyline anymore. But sadly, I'll keep watching.

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Content I just thought of something and this is just speculation on my part. If Juliet is part of the plan in manipulating Claire to get at her baby, what will happen when she finds out Sun is pregnant? Will the Others try to kidnap her too? And dare I say, that perhaps Charlie will spill the beans again but this time to Jin? Sawyer could be in serious trouble if everyone starts believing Sawyer participated in Sun's abduction(s) - mole for the Others - and Jin starts gunning for him - it's a hitman pun!

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Content I’ve posted this a couple of times before, but a few new things occurred to me. It probably won’t be news to lots of fans who’ve already entertained the thought and I’m aware that the whole post is a structural mess.<br><br>But still...<br><br>What if the island isn’t purgatory, but a site from which the world/universe is ordered? The Dharma initiative didn’t create all the supernatural occurrences, but they found the island and knew from the numbers (the Valenzetti equation, which is connected to the island) that unless they did something, the world would end. Very few people so far have asked what the fuck all this end of the world/numbers stuff has to do with the island, and I would suggest, based on what we know so far, that people on the island control and even determine events in the outside world. And I mean ALL the outside world. That’s why everyone seems to be connected, that’s why everything seems predetermined (see Des and his plight, plus Hugo and his curse etc). It’s like a boardroom for the gods.<br><br>It also explains how Juliet’s ex gets hit by a bus, why Jack fell out of the sky (among many other things I’m sure you can come up with yourself). But try as these people might, the world is still going to end, because despite their power to change events, the numbers still prevail. The Dharma initiative’s futile attempts to change the numbers connected to the island (and therefore avoid the end of the world) has resorted in the island (or its inhabitants) to attract more people who might be able to do something about it.<br><br>It also helps explain the appearance of people and things on and off the island. The island’s inhabitants have the power to control what’s going to happen all over the world. We see that Hurley is able to “break” his curse simply by wanting to, because now he’s on the island, he’s granted that power over the universe (incidentally, it was only through the numbers that he got exactly what he wanted when he wasn’t even on the island - he won the lotto).<br><br>Ben suggested it was fate that Jack fell out of the sky when he needed a spinal surgeon (not just a spinal surgeon but perhaps the best one on the planet), and yet he later claims that Locke ran out of the trees and blew up the sub because Ben himself WANTED it. So which is it, fate or desire? I’d say it was Ben’s desires which shaped, or "determined" the events.<br><br>It follows that it wasn’t just Des who crashed the plane: maybe it was Ben’s need for a spinal surgeon which caused the island to make a tear in Kelvin’s protective suit, which caused Des to leave the hatch, which caused the incident, which caused the plane with the surgeon on it to crash. Of course, there were other people on the plane who were just as important to the island as Jack, but we don’t know how all the complexities work.<br><br>But we have to ask ourselves, if some of the islands inhabitants (the gods occupying the throne, as it were) are determining world events, are they exempt from determination themselves? The fact that Ben got a tumour would suggest that they’re just vehicles for things to play out as well.<br><br>As or John, maybe his hitherto unmatched affinity with the island means that he was the most important man on the plane. Maybe he has been convinced that he’s going to be some kind of god, the first person (for however long) to get the island (and the world) to do exactly what he wants (once he understands everything) at any time through the complex webs of pre-determined relationships and events that we’ve seen in almost every flashback so far.<br><br>As for the monster, all I can think of at the moment is that it is (as others have said) trying to evaluate whether or not people are worthy of the responsibility of occupying the throne (or whether or not they have the kind of affinity/power that Locke and Ben have – and there are many characters who apparently don’t). Maybe the monster is concerned with moral judgement, maybe it’s something more.<br><br>Something else just occurred to me: if this theory holds any water, then it would follow that the island obviously can’t be overpopulated due to a conflict of interests between many inhabitants resulting in some kind of disaster (not everyone can get what they want if there’s a conflict of interests – maybe overpopulation on the island is how the world is meant to be destroyed). The best solution is to make sexual reproduction impossible on the island, so that the only way to replace these world controllers is to draw in worthy replacements from the outside world. But whatever force organises the world can’t just kill off everyone who doesn’t matter or isn’t worthy (or perhaps doesn’t have that power on the island), because this force knows that some of these people will be able to influence the actions, values and opinions of those who do matter/who do have the power.

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Content On the way back to the beach: Kate: You're right about not wanting her to come along. She lied about being gassed and left behind. She and I were cuffed together. We were chased by the monster. At first, Juliet said she didn't know what it was. When we were chased again, we came to the sonic fence. Juliet uncuffed me, with a key she was holding and said she knew the monster did not like the fence and that we would be safe. If we've learned anythign from Ben, oh, I forgot, he's called Ben, the man from the hatch who we thought was named Henry Gale. We still can never trust ANY of The Others. After everything, it all boils down to them consistantly lying to us and only helping themselves. Sayid: Fuck yes. I so want to stab that bitch.

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Content Last week, what I didn't understand is why it just rammed itself into the sonic wall, and then backed away like an animal that just couldn't figure it out. But clearly there's dead space or a "gap" OVER the sonic wall, or at least directly over the columns that generate it, since we saw Kate climb over such a spot (using the fallen tree) while the barrier was still on. And as someone noted, we've seen how much Smokey's tendrils can curl about and extend and whatnot...

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Content Well then I have fucking had it with this show. If they introduce characters only to kill them off when we give a shit I am seriously fucking sick of this crap.

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Content I just figured Smokey making contact with the barrier did something to freak it out, not that it couldn't get over the wall, but touching the sonic-y repellant, well, repelled it. and, yes, daniel kurland, i'm so thankful to have Drew working for LOST. not to mention Brian K. Vaughan, who i'm keeping a close eye on the credits for. i saw a credit for this episode for him as co-writer, but maybe that changed in the final hour?

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Content I was applying the good/bad thing to deaths because it had been mentioned, but I think the idea still applies since the Others talk about "good people" and "we're the good guys" and how people aren't worthy. They know about the 815 folks and they have judged them...but on what scale and for what purpose?

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Content AS i was was watching the DVD, one of the producers Did mention during the episode 23rd psalm, illumanati. These are a secretive group of people whom it is alleged runs the world.

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Content Getting back into the swing of things. Heroes was eating Lost's lunch for a while, but it's coming back to speed.

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Content Pass to Smash, block by Riggins. Calling it now

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Content I definitely thought I was on the Friday Night Lights talkback...my bad.

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Content Juliet gets the same face, only a female version, that Ben does when he is flat out laying and manipulating people. That reptilian, "you are so stupid so I am playing you" look. Sayid had it right when he said he didn't want to take her back to the beach. Jack is a crap leader to buy her bs. The bitch is lying...I am sure we will find out a lot more of what those Others are up to tonight and I pray they don't try to make us all sympathic to her because the bitch is wacked!

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Content You win the thread! Awesome, you also owe me a key

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Content It's a pretty good episode with a good ending, but I didn't think it was as amazing as Herc did. A lot of dots, even as far back as season one are connected, and it shows how regimented and planned out this show can be when it wants to. My favorite moment however was this very non-moment happening in the beginning between Sawyer and Jack that is purely due to the characterization and development they've gone through for 3 seasons.

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Content I enjoyed it a lot.

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Content When the whole Lost Dharma internet clues thing was happening, there was a document that talked about experiments in dimensional physics, or something, saying that an island could be made to exist in another dimension? The document stated that anyone standing on the island (should it disappear) would experience a "whooshing" sensation and then just plop into the sea along with anything else foreign to the island. Can't find it now, but it would be an interesting route to take. Although unless shit starts happening really quickly, I think the "secret" will be a lot more pedestrian/ predictable. By the way, I'm a lover, not a hater!

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Content If your comment is serious dogapeandman2, I am so looking forward to see that.

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Content I agree with you, DanielK. Jack and Sawyer on the beach was great : The nod, the handshake, the hug! And then, true to form, they are back snarking at each other again. That's what I'm talking about! Jack did indeed have Sawyer's balls all along. heh. <p> Anyway, I sort of got the impression - although it wasn't stated - from tonight's ep that the island had cured Ben's back cancer, and he was surprised (scared? asked Juliet) that it came back. Did it come back because the sky turned purple? I'd have to watch it again for the time line. <p> I'm also wondering if Ben is a leader of a doomsday cult. Say scientists discovered when the end of the world was going to take place (the numbers). But they also found this anomly of an island that cures disease. They decide to use this island as a "bomb shelter" but they don't know everything about the island yet, so they set up shop to gather as much information as possible. Maybe the smokey monster was an invention of these scientists and its whole supernatural aspect that has been projected to us so far is just a decoy for a surveilence drone to gather subjects and information? Perhaps that is why it didn't go through the electromagnetic barrier in the last ep because it would fucked up the technology that's guiding it. <p> And finally, the King book, CARRIE. It could be another decoy, to throw more theories out there to muddy the waters regarding telekenisis and the supernatural. After all, the best King book that could mirror LOST would be the STAND, considering supernatural and religous aspects. But now I'm wondering if something in the scientific community didn't happen in the year CARRIE was published, that relates to the island and the threat to the entire world.

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Content Your post went wherever mine went. Must have been another hiccup in the system

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Content that i was hoping for a huge "Welcome to Jurassic Park" sign when she peered up at the island?

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Content Hah! Thats gotta be one of the all time top 5 "Sawyerisms"

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Content i'll admit, it made me laugh. agreed that it's top five, possibly top two imo

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Content Why else would they show us scenes from earlier episodes while Jack and Juliet went over Ethan's kidnapping? On a show full of mysteries and twists and subtle evidence they think they need to show us clips from earlier shows because we can't remember what they are talking about without them? How insulting.

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Content Charlie must die in this ep... we've been sitting around all season to see if he dies, then he gets a flaskback ep? i learned how to connect the dots back in preschool.

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Content Ok, someone has probably mentioned this before, but is ABC just fucking with us for fun now or is there a limited supply of Dr names? What's next, McSmokezilla?

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Content is there a reason why the syringe that Juliet used had a huge air bubble in it or has the prop person just never seen a medical show before?<br><br>and they are just going stay on the beach and let the houses with electricity and running water sit empty?

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Content is jack playing mind games? did he talk her into becoming one of 'us'? tune in next week, same Lost time, same Lost channel!

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Content That must mean next week will kick ass! And that's the second time it was used for favorite Hobbit Dominique....whatever! <p>duh da duh da duh duh...duh da duh da duh duh...FUCK YEAH!</P><p>They got nuthin. </p>

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Content That was some fine television. What an ending!

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Content And I love him for it. But I hope Juliet doesn't F up the plan. Here I'm cheering for the devious others haha

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Content So Juliet is a really interesting character. Unfortunately, the fact that she chose "Carrie" for her book club bodes poorly for her. It bodes poorly for The Others, too. I'm guessing that in retrospect, Jack's comment about Juliet's eyes when the sub exploded will be akin to Carrie's initial reaction when the pig blood was poured on her. Too bad. She and Jack seemed like a nice fit. She's certainly a more sympathetic and tolerable character than the narcissistic Kate.

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Content damn yeah the first 6 episodes this season were snoozers but they have been great since. Here's hoping for a final great 5 this season and that Locke kicks someone's ass in the process.

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Content Very quick summary of scenes before Juliet (who is looking alot like Ann Coulter) stepped off the sub?

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Content Sorry, man, but I'm pretty sure I'm right about the Carrie/Juliet thing, meaning that Ben's plan is about to be as fucked as Walter Sobchek's. Possibly even with dirty undies involvement.

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Content Now I'm trying to figure out if Juliet is really going along with Ben's plan, or if she is going to betray them and stay with the Losties. Her flashbacks seem to indicate that she'd be willing to do pretty much anything to get off the island, and I'll bet that she's got a better chance of getting off by working with Ben than with Jack, so we'll see.

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Content Juliet... I hope what I saw at the end there isn't true. You're so likeable on the show... and you have great tatas... Don't be evil...

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Content Everytime some douchebag in advertising says, "Hey, we need some real dramatic music, something like that Lord of the Rings music or something" and then the music director says "we don't have to even write something new, that dude doesn't own his music his company sells it to anyone who asks" Jesus christ if I wouldn't be surprised if I heard the Requiem music in a pop tart commercial tomorrow.

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Content Made famous to the masses by "The Two Towers" trailers. However, for others it will always be associated with the term "ass to ass!"

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Content ... others! They will make it look like she's in on the sting, but in the end she'll jump over to the good guys.

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Content I hope so too man. I was really starting to like Juliet. I also agree about her tatas. Jesus. I still think she's good deep down, and in the end she will side with Jack and all them. She was just going along with Ben's plan because it was partly true. That was probably the only way to get some of the losties to at least somewhat trust her, and I believe that she really does want that. Not just to turn on them. We'll see in a "week" or so I guess.

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Content has been a big FU to all you lost haters earlier in the season, seriously after a few eps you called in the end of LOST, friggin people need to learn patience.

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Content a week means five episodes to these people

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Content ...and Ben is the man behind the curtain. A few clues in this episode point to that being the case. It makes perfect sense for Ben to create a persona that the others would admire and trust in order to control them though this figure. Also Ben first tells Juliet that Jacob will cure her sister. Then three years later when Juliet has probably discovered Jacob doesn't exist, Ben tells her HE cured her sister's cancer. It would be pretty cool if I'm right.

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Content I think you need to look beyond The Stand and think Dark Tower, since the Stand is part of the Dark Tower universe, the island would be more in tune with the Dark Tower series. Man what a mind fuck that would be to have Roland come along. Holy shit smoke monster is one of the beam protectors!

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Content My guess had been that the Others were sterile...I guess being on the island makes you sterile? Anyway, my only problem is this: I believe that Mikhail and his reconaissance can gather most of the information about the 815ers, BUT how would he get information like "Sawyer shoots a man the night before he gets on the plane." That wouldn't be on the news or anything.

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Content hmm she bealives ben doesnt lie so if he said her, juliet, locke didnt really blow up the sub..(he was wet and u dont think they got camera on that thing??) and if he do what i say and lie jack and all them in one week ill get u off the island.... and there just using locke like they used jack to get what they want and then they will screw him like they did jack... and is helicopter desmonds women coming to save the day??

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Content 3.21. Lets talk about this Degroot flashback. This announcement is loco neo.

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Content were they reading? Thanks.

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Content Damn, I almost splooged on Juliet's bare backside. I don't know what it is about her (maybe its her lesbo history in Gia) but I freaking ache over that woman. YEEEEOWCH!

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Content Another very good episode. Wow, this show is on a roll and judging by the previous two seasons, the last few episodes will only keep getting much better. I was wondering if they would pull a 180 on us and have Juliet be devious but I REALLY didn't think they would. I don't know how much of a villain Juliet is but I SO want her to be good. She just seems too sweet. I don't think I could ever hate her unless she murdered one of my five favorite characters on the show. So we got some nice little tidbits about Juliet's research and about Claire's involvement with the Others. I really want to find out who this big BOSS guy Jacob is. I think he is going to be the big supervillain that this show is just BEGGING for. While the writers are good at creating characters we like and love, the mark of a truly great writer is being able to create a characters we also HATE with a deep vengeance. Can't wait for the next episode!

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Content So what do you all think Ben's plan will involve? It appears to be some sort of gas attack given that Juliet was given a mask. I just hope it's not something stupid where one of the 815ers stumbles upon her gas mask at the beach and busts her.

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Content gas mask was for the gas attack last week...either that or ben had taco bell and the wheelchair doesn't make things easier for his guests.

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Content SO maybe no one knows who Jacob is. I don't know how, and I don't know why, but it would be mind-blowing for Locke to be revealed as Jacob...

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Content doh, yeah you're right. Ok strike my query from the record

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Content Sorry it's off-topic. I'll have some Scotch on Ice-9 for him tonight...

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Content I was actually thinking that the first time we heard it and it sounded broken. Clickity, clickity. That would be awesome<BR> I also think that Ben is the leader, and have thought so since we laid eyes on him last season. Those spooky eyes of his... he is looking at me through my TV and he doesn't just see me naked, he sees me without skin. creepy

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Content Or I can wait until morning when it hits the worldwide tivo. *cough*

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Content Juliet always said there was a group of people in the Others who wanted change...what the hell happened to the Browncoat Others?

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Content I missed it to. The little guy refused to go to bed. Actually, just thought about it, but someone posted the entire episode up there somewhere. Going to look for it

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Content During the final Ben/Juliet scene. Argh! I don't want Juliet to be evil! And yet I do! Crazy!

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Content control f Cap'n Jack, he posted it. Thanks Cap'n!

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Content This may have been mentioned before, but why are Kate and Sawyer so reluctant to accept Juliette's "banishment" by the Others?...Didn't Juliette gun down one of the Others (Danny?) right in front of them?...thus allowing their escape? Maybe I'm remembering it wrong, but it seems like poor writing to create conflict in the story by just having the characters ignore something as important as that.

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Content A big thank you to the writers - tonight was pure gold. You guys rock.

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Content But who knows WHAT those fucking others are capable of? I mean, honestly, yeah, she did gun him down. But that doesn't exactly make her trustworthy. She's still one of THEM. <p>On the other hand, man, i was totally trusting her until that last Ben scene. Things aren't all they appear to be, I'm sure. <p>What i'm most concerned about is the way the Lost finale is said to change things in a dramatic way, likening it to the Alias superbowl episode in which SD-6 was brought down and the entire dynamic of the show changed. Could be VERY interesting to see.

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Content Me likey. Super good.

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Content and putting them on lists. Another great episode in a string of great ones. I really wonder if Juliet's playing both sides. When Jack said: "They're good people. They'll give you the benefit of the doubt. But sooner or later they'll need answers" (paraphrase), I could have sworn he was talking about the fans. Also, funny that my 14 year old recognized the Requiem music. My first reaction was "how the hell do you know that?!" thinking he better NOT have seen that movie. But he assured me it's from video games. Ha!

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Content A big fuck you to the writers - tonight was pure shit. You guys suck.

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Content or is juliet going to save her by using her awesome mammary powers! she is pregnant lets not forget... awesome episode. did anyone notice sayid checking out jacks crotch tonight? that dude really loves him some balls!

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Content was the commercial for local news live down the street from me talking about the president of my university being arrested for DUI ha good ole UMW

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Content Not that great, after the stellar Locke episode from 2 weeks ago this show is stumbling downward again. Juliet's flashback was redundant. I can't believe no one from 815 even MENTIONS the possibility that Juliet is a plant. Especially after they've already PROVEN that's their M.O.! (With Ethan). Silly, sloppy, sucky.

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Content Gunning down one psycho guy does not necessarily make up for capturing and fucking with you for a period of time. I always love when someone jumps to the 'poor writing' conclusion just because characters don't act the way you want them to. On a related topic, I actually kinda felt Sawyer and Kate's reunion. Like he really wuvs her. Awwww. <p> So, who wants to place bets on Juliet's mission? Does it have something to with Sun's pregnancy? <p> Someone also mentioned this, but I do wonder how Mikhail was able to find out things like Sawyer's murder.

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Content I love the DARK TOWER as much as the next King fan, but for me the STAND has more in common with LOST. To name a few: a doomsday scenario (based on the old lady in the Desmond flashback), two seperating camps - one considered "good" & the other "bad" - throwing people together that appeared randomly but inventually very specifically (also turns out that the "bad" camp got most of the techies and the intellectuals), and finally having the "bad" camp infiltrating the "good" camp (Desmond & Ben = Nadine & Harold). All that's left is for the "good" camp to infiltrate the "bad" camp a la Tom Cullen. I wonder if that is what Locke is doing? M_O_O_N spells Locke!ˇ

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Content Just because they showed some scenes we've seen before? Now we know their context. Seeing Juliet play 'Downtown' and look at the mirror now means something. We also see how Ethan's plan fit in with everything. There wasn't a single bit of her flashback that was extra. And obviously people think she might be a plant, which is why Sawyer and Sayid confronted her. <p> I really think she's playing both sides. I think Jack is right that she will do anything to get off the island. Including betray Jack and everyone else. However, with the sub gone, what does Ben have to offer her so she'll go along with things?

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Content It's still God-damned-fucking-beautiful.

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Content Juliet... Plant or NOT ?? I think so... but one that's turning... faulked Ben's plans and now is where she wants to be.... 4now. I say she faulks the others by seasons end... Giez

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Content I wasn't "jumping" to poor writing at all. It's been 2 episodes and no mention of it. Helping someone escape is one thing...Whacking a guy in the act is something else entirely. It just feels like the 2 lovebirds didn't even consider what she had done and went right to "What the hell is she doing here?" territory right off the bat. I understand why they did it. They needed to create the conflict, and have her overcome said conflict, so the last scene would have more impact.

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Content I called it last week! I knew that lying bitch couldn't be trusted. She may turn out to be lying to Ben too, but I knew she was lying to Jack, Kate and co. I just hope Jack is only playing dumb--I hate to think he actually is that stupid to believe her. By the way, was that symbol on the tree the same as the brand on Juliet's back? I think it was. Also, my dvr cut off after Ben said he'd see Juliet later. Did anything else happen, and what about next week's preview?

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Content The pregnant bitches are Cylons.

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Content Plus, you'd think Juliette at some point would have said something like "Will you two get off my back already? I've killed for you, what more do you want?" Anyway, it's a minor thing...moving on.

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Content so it goes... http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/12/books/12vonnegut.html?hp

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Content why did he try to kill Charlie? And why did he kill Steve or whatever his name was? Why did Goodwin kill that one guy from Ed? Is this stuff Juliet never knew about? Does anyone remember the flashback with Claire when she was being held by Ethan? And Tom came to the nursery door? I can't remember what was said in that conversation but I'm guessing it could lend credence to what Juliet said, or prove she's lying.

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Content according to the Lostpedia episode guide "Ethan excuses himself to speak to another Other -- the man from the raft, now clean-shaven and dressed in clean clothes. He verbally scolds Ethan for not following his orders in 'making a list' then kidnapping Claire, and the two argue as Ethan defends himself by pointing out that the survivors had a flight manifest. Before noticing that Claire is listening and closing the door, the man speaks about 'Him' and worryingly muses about what might happen when 'he finds out.'" So either Juliet is lying, or she didn't know what really happened.

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Content ...is seriously grasping for straws. Fuck off haters. I was on the edge of my seat during then entire Juliet/Ben scene and the writers completely sucker punched us tonight with Juliet's flashbacks making us think she has a lot of reason to hate Ben and become one of the Losties. I may have thought last week she was conning them, but after the flashbacks I thought for sure she was good, until that final sequence. Jack has to kill her. He brought her in. He vouched for her and it's going to be his burden, in my eyes. I don't think she's going to screw over Ben since Ben is the only possible ticket off the rock. Amazing amazing episode. One of the best of all time.

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Content Since the flashbacks proved that Juliet is a liar does that mean the whole story about Ethan was a lie, or did she tell the truth for once? And we still don't know if she ever actually wanted Jack to kill Ben or if that was all part of Ben's plan. After these flashbacks with her wanting to go home so bad, I think she really did want Ben dead but if so, why would she still be plotting with Ben after the sub was blown up? Maybe the "Locke didn't really blow up the sub" people are onto something.

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Content But like most lies, the truth is peppered in there a little bit. Juliet's Ethan explanation leaves alot out. There more to the story obviously.... Yeah, cus Ethan tried to kill Charlie. It's the show's M.O. It's selective, like the flashbacks - a moment every so often and we try to put it into context. BUT What did "they" DO to Juliet? that last scene was a different Juliet than the sweet human one in most of the ep. That strange smug look on her face. Freaky Other Face. She got Othered. What happened!!!! How do they do it? Maybe Locke is gettin Othered right now?!!!!!

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Content Doesn't your description of Ethan's conversation with Tom lend credence to Juliet's story? She said that Ethan kidnapped Claire on his own, panicking because they found out he wasn't on the plane. If Ethan is defending himself to Tom, than that fits with Juliet's story. So I don't think she lied about that. But she obviously lied about the failsafe that they implanted in Claire and set off so Juliet could fix it. I think we can take on faith that pregnant women do die on the island, but her story about Claire going through withdrawal from no longer taking Ethan's injections was bullshit. But the failsafe implies that perhaps they let Claire escape, or that they were planning on returning her after they were done with her. Anyway, Juliet's the worst kind of (very, very hot) devil - mixing truth with lies. Did I mention the hotness? That scene on the bed where we saw the whole shape of her back? Wow.

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Content Juliet has a superhot naked back. And looks pretty good crawling on all fours on top of a submarine as well.

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Content Kids, I point you back to the infamous Paolo/Nikki episode "Expose" (one I LOVED) for a clue to the identity of Jacob: The first scene, of course, is the "Charlie's Angels" satire, the fictional show "Expose" itself in which Nikki's undercover FBI agent is killed (if memory serves me correctly) by Mr. LaShade, who was the nominal equivalent of the Angel's Charlie. Later, when Hurley finds the script for "Expose" that Nikki was carrying, he reads it and is shocked to find that the character of "Mr. LaShade" was actually the show's main villain "The Cobra," whose idenity had been a mystery for the previous 4 seasons. (Of course, to Hurley who had not seen the episode in question, this would qualify as a spoiler.) To us, the audience, it was a clue. Flashback to the previous epsiode of "Lost," the masterful "The Man from Tallahassee." What tv show was Locke watching when he was eating dinner just before Peter Talbot arrived? "Expose." So, if this is true there are in my opinion 4 people who could be the mysterious Jacob. Ben: the ultimate wizard behind the curtain: Christian Shepard: whose body was not in his casket and who seemed to intersect with an awful lot of people; Locke, who seems to be terribly important to Ben; and Hurley, who I've always thought could be a lot more deranged than we give him credit for.

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Content When Ben noticed that Juliet was daydreaming when going over the plan, I think that she was thinking of Jack, and I think in the end, she's going to fuck Ben over because of how Jack has treated her. She knows Ben's not letting her off this island.

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Content I really hope this isn't the case, but when Desmond first met him, he did ask, "Are you HIM?" In fact I hope Jacob turns out to be Patrick McGoohan. THAT would rock.

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Content I went back and paused the scene in the ep. where Juliet shows Jack her brand and it is the same as the symbol on the tree where she finds the medicine. At the end Ben says they'll leave supplies at Ethan's old drop. Since Ethan's old drop was marked by that symbol, did he have that brand too? So instead of the Others branding Juliet as a judgement to mark her as an outsider, maybe they decided back then that she would take Ethan's place as the new spy and that mark is used to identify their infiltrator. If so, to who? I kind of suspected that they didn't really care that she killed one of them. I think it was all part of the plan to make Jack trust and sympathize with her.

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Content because they wanted to show that Claire wasn't dreaming, and that Ethan was coming after her at night to take her blood. Up until now we just thought she was paranoid.

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Content 1)Ben said: "See you in a week". WHAT happens in a week!? What are the others planning?!<p> 2) Fucking awesome episode, IMO. <p> 3) Juliet's plan with ben absolutely has something to do with what he whispered in her ear that day in the operating room. You can bet it wasn't what she told Jack it was..<p> 4) Perhaps you can't get cancer if you stay on the Island... Maybe Ben left the island for a time without anyone knowing... Question is: Why would he go to the mainland? Is this even possible, seeing as how he said he's never left the island? Or were his words just that he was born on the island, not that he's never been to the mainland? Anyone know for sure?<p> 5) Implant?! What kind of implant have they stuck in my sexy Claire? Bed for now... I'm both thrilled and kind of sad that Juliet is playing the Losties. I wanted her to be evil so badly, but i kind of like her now and am conflicted about it. The Lost showrunners are good at doing that. I do think, however, that we'll see she's playing both sides, she's probably not completely good, but I doubt she's completely evil...

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Content supernatural qualities:<p> "Time flies when you're there."<p> "You're going to want to be tranquilized for the trip"<p> "The last leg is a little bumpy"... <p>I think to get to the island is a pretty crazy journey that I hope to god we see one day.

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Content As a diabetic...I give myself shots in the stomach several times a day...Sometimes I get all the bubbles out...sometimes I don't...it matters not. A bubble in a syringe is only dangerous if it is injected interveiniously...not subcutaneously as was demonstrated on tonite's eppy. Kudos to Elizabeth Mitchell for her performance in One of Us...hope they remember this eppy come Emmy time. How many emotions did she have to convey in this episode? Leaving her pregnant/cancer prone sister at the airport...finding out her sis's cancer had returned...slapping that glass of water out of Ben's hand...seeing her 3 years later healthy and playing with her son...that stand off where she completely owned Sayid and Sawyer with the medical kit...and finally that delicious twist at the end with her & Ben going over her "story". Just a wide range of stuff to cover in one eppy...and she did it so effortlessly. Besides being completely gorgeous...her crawling out of that sub was delicious to watch!! Goodwin was a lucky bastard afterall!! And yes...I completely think the ONLY reason Ben would risk having Juliette walk right into the lion's den is their interest in Sun's baby. And with her trusty medical kit convienently handy after "saving" Claire...she is free to begin Sun's "treatments". Juliette's the new Ethan!! I really enjoyed this episode...Seeing those monitors in the Flame...with the desperate search for 815 by the outside world media...Seeing Hurley's experiment at making Sawyer a "decent" person (offering to get Claire some aspirin? Unthinkable!!)...Sayid's opening salvo of questions (the exact ones I would have asked...in the exact order.)...Ben nervously walking up to Mikhail's shack ("Don't shoot us!!" As if he's actually shot people before!!)...The Petula Clark "Downtown" montage to take us right back to the season premiere's events. My faith in Lost is getting restored, folks. I'm actually salivating over next week's installment...and it's been a while since that happened.

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Content If there is an entire recently abandoned little city full of houses with sofas and pianos and coleman grills, why are they STAYING ON THE STUPID BEACH?<p> If Claire is the first mother to give birth to a child and not die, then WHY IS ROUSSEAU NOT DEAD?<p> If Ethan was the Other's only surgeon, WHY WAS HE SENT AWAY IN THE FIRST PLACE TO DO A JOB ANYONE COULD DO?<p>

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Content Actually it was.

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Content 1 why would they go to the houses when they already have a home and the others might return 2 if u watched the episode juliet said the problem was at Consumption, not at delivery 3 ethan was clearly one of their higher ups and was sent to do a very important job

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Content Or... maybe Juliet lied. Like she's lying about everything else.

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Content pretty much sums of the once-mysterious and once-menacing Others, does it not? I'm hoping there's more to it than that, but ultimately, it will be a disappointment if there isn't.<br><br>If that leaves the Island and the other metaphysical, supernatural, or faithful elements as the overriding mysteries, then then show has lost much of its appeal to me.

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Content juliet was upset when the girl in labor died, the scene after that she said the problem was at conseption, this was when she was still a couple months new to the island and she said she wanted to take someone to miami to do tests and ben said no

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Content Whatever the opposite of jumping the shark is, this show just did it.

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Content So clarie is fine, it was a set up but i take it that they still have the problem of getting people preggers on this island that leave me to belive that julliet is gonna snatch sun in a weeks time. If anyone is going to give you a body count its going to be jin ! You know that its goning to happen, either that or desmondo's time is up on the beach life. What gets my goat is that we had all that built up story from the end of act two with walt and micheal, where did they take you what did they do, why was you soking wet water coming out your mouth scaring shannon and the dog ? NOTHING, too many loose ends to tie up. Rosseau was off the island when she was up the duff same as claire so thats why they had there kids. They implanted claire with something to fake thoese sysmtoms.

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Content Ben needs a vision.

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Content This episode was straight up continuity porn. 10/10. 5 stars. Best episode this season and right up there with the Pilot, Exodus, Walkabout, Orientation, and Live Together Die Alone. And we still have like 7 episodes to go.<p><p> 24 was awesome this week too, and Heroes comes back in 2 weeks. TV is REALLY good this year.

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Content I thought the same thing. If there's anyone on the beach Ben might have an interest in, it seems like it would be the psychic ... or maybe she's there to see who was affected/changed. Either way, great episode.

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Content Someone more clever than I will need to decipher 'Herarat' (as in 'Herarat Aviation', in the scene where Juliet pounded down her Big Gulp OJ n' Tranqs). I think it's clearly a combination of 'Hera' (Queen of the Gods)and 'Ararat' (The mountain that biblical literalists say is where the remains of Noah's Ark lies). Is Hera linked to fertility? The Ark thing I would think refers to the gathering of creatures/beings/peoples to fend off extinction during an apocalyptic event. Meh. I'm relying on the more clever of you lot to straighten this one out.

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Content Of course, 'Herarat' is an anagram for 'Earhart' (Amelia). You know, the pilot who disappeared while flying... Crikes!

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Content All this conjecture about Smokey is moot after last nights episode. Obviously, the Others have some control over Smokey. Juliet is on a mission. The first leg of her mission has been to establish trust. "Run from Smokey!" "I don't know what Smokey is, oh wait, I know enough to know that he can't get over the Invisible Fence", "Hey, I had a key all the time, because I wanted to establish tru-oops, I mean because I didn't want to get left behind again." THAT is why Smokey backed off once it had Kate and SexyBack(tm) (Just got off the phone with the producers and that is now Juliets official nick-name.)cornered.

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Content ... is 'stroking the dolphin'. My bet is that Ben is a creation of the Island's magical box, if it's true what he said when Locke's father magically appeared. Remember, he was 'born' on the Island, so either he was there before the DeGroots or he was 'born' when Dharma was there in the hippy years. The Hanso Foundation was experimenting with mathematical prediction, which could explain all these weird coincidences and connections between people, and could suggest that Ben is the result of this and can see all the possible outcomes of situations and that's why he's master manipulator. Somehow Desmond has tapped into the predictive ability via the hatch/island and that may come into play, thwarting Ben's plans. Who's to say what's right or wrong, good or bad? I don't think it's a moral thing, but more what's bad or good for Ben's purposes. If he is a part of the Island, then he may be linked with HappyNanoCloudMonster and it was controlled when chasing Kate & Juliet, and maybe it can go over the fence. Did we see ol' Smokey following the plane as it was crashing, or was that real smoke? What's the connections between Desmond and Ben's manipulations if Ben wanted a Doctor and the Plane Crashed because Dsmond didn't push the button in time?

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Content Good work on decoding Herarat. Props. Biggles2_22 out.

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Content I love that phrase. It's the catch-all to describe anybody who disagrees. Nice. <br><br> It's a little hard to believe anybody was really surprised by the twist/reveal at the end with Juliette and Ben. They (the characters on the show AND the writers) have been pulling this stunt for the run of the show. <br><br>At least its getting back to trying to entertain rather than just begin the "beatin' of the week" show.

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Content If they pull a Locke = Jacob (a la Kaiser Sose) it would indeed be a game changer, eh?

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Content ...but part of me hopes it's nothing that mystical. To me, a final explanation of the island as, essentially, magical, would feel like a cheap out by the writers. They've gone to great lengths so far to imbed a scientific undertone in this saga, and I'd like to think there will be some kind of scientific explanation for everything.<p>That said, perhaps the island is some sort of nexus for global influence and the original scientists who discovered that somehow disrupted or perverted the dynamic. And maybe the island did reach out to bring someone there who it thought could restore its balance. I think I could swallow that. I don't need everything explained completely.<p>Last night's episode was pretty good. I knew Julie was lying. I don't htink she's done anything but (in the present...she seems like a nice gal in her flashbacks).<p>I just really hope Jack ends up being aware of her deception and is just giving her rope to see if she tries to hang them with it...you know...because he's a scientist and would want it proven before he acts on it and kills her lying ass.

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Content I was really pissed last night when Sayid and Sawyer let Juliet slide because she threw their fucked-up morality back in their faces. At this point getting answers from Juliet is not about morality - it's about survival! She was a member of a group of people that have no problem kidnapping, experimenting on and even killing the people in Sayid and Sawyer's group on a whim. Getting answers from her may be the only way to keep their people safe and they're gonna take 'well, you guys are bad too, so leave me alone' for an answer? Bullshit! I wouldn't care if I'd killed a hundred people before I got to that island, I'd be getting some answers ASAP. If they thought that she really needed to help Claire, fine, but I wouldn't be so quick to just forgive and forget. Hopefully Sayid isn't through talking to her yet.

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Content that Ethan wasn't supposed to kidnap Juliet and that when he did he improvised because they discovered who he was from the manifest. According to the conversation with Tom, his orders were to make a list and then kidnap Claire...so doesn't that mean Juliet lied?

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Content Hera = The queen of the Olympian deities. She is a daughter of Cronus and Rhea, and wife and sister of Zeus. Hera was mainly worshipped as a goddess of marriage and birth. It is said that each year Hera's virginity returns by bathing in the well Canathus. The children of Hera and Zeus are the smith-god Hephaestus, the goddess of youth Hebe, and the god of war Ares. According to some sources, however, her children were conceived without the help of a man, either by slapping her hand on the ground or by eating lettuce: thus they were born, not out of love but out of lust and hatred. ARARAT = It is claimed by a number of Biblical literalists that an anomaly on this mountain in Turkey is the remains of Noah's Ark. Earhart = good catch. Is this now a 3-way clue?

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Content Doctoring some medical charts is probably a lot easier, right? Ben was never gonna let Juliet go anyway.

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Content I think her morality argument wouldn't have stopped them had she not had the "save Claire" angle going as well.<p>I was wondering if there was any connection between Jacob and Yacub, an evil scientist-type who according to the beliefs of the Nation of Islam created a race of devils. Course those devils are what we now call white people, but he DID live on an island ...

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Content Dr'ing charts is not enough when you're able to show her alive with what's supposed to be her child. Ben's word is true...except, he somehow makes statements that the meaning can be misconscrewed or cons others to do deeds that make his wods impossible. He wasn't lying when he said he didn't lie. I think the alternate universe theory is possible here. I also think we should consider that Jacob is not human. Maybe the box you open after make a wish is JACOB...an acronym of somthing.

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Content If lost was a bitch, i'd have slapped her a long time ago for being such a prick tease. that juilet is pretty damm fine though.

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Content timeslot. I can barely stay awake until 11 anymore. Anyway, it was a good - not great episode ... until the last 5 minutes. Which were awesome. Basically, anything about the island featuring Ben Linus, John Locke or Goth Claire is awesome. Anything centering on Jack, Charlie or Hurley sucks. That's my take on Lost.

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Content So Ben was born on the island while every other woman on the island apparently can't get pregnant? Loop hole? Is Ben a test tube baby? Or could that be the reason why Ben eventually has a tumor? Are "Adam and Eve" Ben's parents?

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Content Are you saying that you don't think Ben lied or that he must not have been lying b/c we saw Juliet's sis and her daughter? If you're saying the latter, even if we take what we saw at face value, Ben could have been lying when he said that the sister's cancer came back.

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Content If you're looking for a non-supernatural explanation of Ben being born on the island, it would be that, as with Claire, his mom got pregnant off of the island, then came to the island and had him.

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Content Aramel's "Dolphin Stroking" is cute and it would be poetic if there was an actual antonym like "Burrowing Under the Tiger" or something, but if you want the truth,, it's simply called a "Reverse Shark Jump". That's when a show that has Jumped The Shark gets itself back on track and improves again. A Reverse Shark Jump. - Napoleon Park, moderator, the Jump The Shark Yahoo! Group. *** Oh, I'm diabetic two and while I was hospitalized a nurse confided "I'm not supposed to tell you this but it's okay if you inject a little air." Subcutaneously, as with insulin, of course, not intraveneously, where it would be fatal. Still, by "a little" air we're talking maybe a unit or so, maybe an eight of a BB in volume. And that will cause a small swelling and possible bruise. Certainly not the half shotglass full of air Juliet rammed into Claire's belly. That was just unrealisticallly sloppy doctorin'. And this does raise the questions that have been brought up here already: If the island kills pregnant women, did Rousseau have Alex before they came to the island? Is Juliet infiltrating the Losties/815ers/whatever nickname you call 'em, to save Sun? ***** This is a minor point I expect will be ignored by the PTB, but since it's possible to post a black post, could you do that each week at 9:00 pm for the benefit of the latecomers who are more interested in reading the commments about the specific episode by people who saw it than the assorted theorizing, hater-baiter flaming, discussions of the previous episode or the entire series, unfounded guesses and so on. I realize it's not neded since each post has a time signature, but a nice clear black or colored line between discussions of the show in general and about the specific episode would be nice. *** Speaking of being nice, count my polite vote on the side of the"What happened to last weeks lost talk-back, why wasn;t it reposted?" contingent. Or at least a polite response here explaining that it was... (sound effect)... Lost...

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Content Obviously this (women being unable to give birth) hasn't always been the case on the island--as someone mentioned before, Rousseau seems to have given birth to Alex there (literally fathered by Ben?!? I still don't trust that she's not an Other!), and Ben himself claims to have been born there. So something must have happened to cause women to be unable to give birth. Presumably, it happened around the same time that they recruited Juliet. So what was it? A (if not THE) incident? That was three years ago -- could it have something to do with the anomoly that the button was controlling?

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Content ...is a combination of trying to not make the mistakes of their past and being afraid that the island/smoke monster will kill you if you don't show you've changed the errors of your past. Sayid in the episode with the cat was clearly afraid of the implications of killing another human being...and Sawyer was also shocked to shit that Juliet knew about him murdering someone. She threw up in both of their faces it might not be wise to kill anymore people as a threat. Sawyer and Sayid are fighting to not repeat the mistakes of their past, so killing Juliet in the middle of the jungle or torturing her is against where their characters currently are. However, when the others attack, I think Sayid and Sawyer will be like Wolverine going beserk . I'm interested in seeing who is going to kick Locke's ass. Too bad Eko's not around.

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Content So, let's see. What did we learn last night? The fertility doctor (information we've known since the beginning of the season when they introduced her character) had something to do with the plot to kidnap the pregnant girl. I'm so glad they spelled that out for us as that was definitely a crucial piece missing from the puzzle.<BR><BR>Juliet is really an _evil Other!_ OH NOES!! Anyone who was actually surprised by that ending is a moron. I mean, who could have guessed that?<BR><BR>All that weird personal information that the Others have on the Losties was gained through the Communications station? And they got it the old fashioned way...by...investigation? Like, just hiring a Private Investigator? NO! That's unpossible!<BR><BR>And....ummm...oh! Jacob can cure cancer, but for some reason he let Ben's grow anyway. I know if Ben was working for me, I'd wish he had cancer too. Maybe Jacob isn't such a bad guy.<BR><BR>The Selector is right 26'ish posts up. Those superhuman Others from the second season have turned out to be a bunch of eggheads. How disappointing. The only thing this show has going for it is its character drama, and honestly, there are many other places where we can get equally good character drama without a several years long plot cocktease. This show is such a disappointment.

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Content The no-baby thing could be a recent development, or Ben and Alex could have both been conceived off of the island.

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Content ..Who has been on the island for 16 years, was traveling on ship to Mystery Island as part of a scientific team while she was well into a pregnancy? <br><br> Man I hope they can make this more interesting than infertility and baby-stealing.

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Content ...doesn't mean they aren't formidable physically. I would never have expected Juliet to be able to hold her own against Kate (a scrapper) in a fight, but Kate had to go all out to exploit an old injury of Juliet's just to get the upper hand.<p>I know a lot of doctor types, and remarkably few are also ass kicking machines like Ethan was.<p>So I suspect we're going to find out that the Others have some special conditioning or training that makes them all just ever-so-slightly superior, physically.

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Content You must be a glutton for disappointment then. See you next week.<p> Oh, and as for something we learned last night? Are you just ignoring information in order to make your pont seem valid or what?<p> We learned that the others can't get pregnant ONLY on the island and that the body turns on the fetus, and that's why they need a fertility doctor. <p>We learned that Ethan was sneaking into camp and taking blood samples of Claire and others every night, and that Claire wasn't just having paranoid dreams.<p> We also learned what they were injecting into Claire (not exact chemical name, mind you, but it's purpose) when they took her.<p> You can keep looking for things to complain about, though, don't mind us.

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Content It's extremely likely that Danielle got pregnant, probably accidentally, in the middle of the expedition. She was very close to term at that point, perhaps past the danger zone.<p> And Mr. Ahole, We know the characters are discussing what's going on. My guess is that by the end of the series, a bunch of characters will be privy to the big reveal and they will fill the rest in.

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Content Juliet needs to get bitch-slapped...badly. Whoever mentioned her knowing little non-smirk above was dead on. Everytime she does that I want to bring her forehead down on my knee. I was so PUMPED when she turned out to be in collusion with Ben. Love the symbolism of the last shot with Juliet "pulling the strings" to tie the knot. This episode reminded me of last season's penultimate Michael episode where we see where the hell he's been and everything is put into context before the final ass kicker. I think it's the same here only there is 5 left. And man are these last 5 going to fucking OWN our asses. 6 days, 11 hours to go. Kill me.

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Content Yeah, but Ethan? "Carry two people over your shoulders while running from trained trackers with only a few minutes headstart" Ethan? What the hell? What, did we miss the part of the arrival orientation where they say "Monday, Wednesday, and Friday are lab days. Tuesdays and Thursdays you'll be learning how to kick ass and take names"?<BR><BR>Also, Kate already had the upper hand...she'd already pinned Juliet and was using the arm lock as a way to compell her to speak...she accidentally dislocated her shoulder.

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Content It's also hinted that he's not born of Members of the Dharma Initiative, more likely the hostile Others. We've never seen his feet... Might he have only 4 toes? I agree that this "no one can get pregnant" thing could have been a recent development. Maybe ever since "the incident".<p> Oh yeah, we also have a pretty good speculative answer as to why the others are so obsessed with newborns... Perhaps they want to study them to see what makes them different.<p> ALSO, Juliet said that the problem was at conception... Something about conception on the island ended up in the mother dying before the child could be born... Danielle, and Claire both concieved OFF-ISLAND, Perhaps Ben's mother did as well? Also, this may not bode well for Sun.

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Content what makes them able to be born, as opposed to Others' fetuses.

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Content She will clearly be turning on Ben at some point in the series. It will be funny when it does. I love it when Ben's eyes bug out, even more than usual. Strabo? I'll see you at 10pm on 4/18, buddy. Pot-stirrer.

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Content ...was that it's entirely possible that, on one of their lab days, someone said: "Hey, look! I developed a serum that enhances physical strength, endurance and reaction time. Who wants some?" And Ethan was all like: "Me!"<p>As for the Kate/Juliet thing, I know that the injury was accidental, but before it occurred it looked as though Kate had only momentarily gotten the better of Julie (who didn't look concerned at all). Not saying JUlie is all Captain America, like Ethan appeared to be, but she certainly had been trained in hand to hand combat based on the first go round with Kate.

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Content I posted late last night about Juliet's brand being the same as the mark on the tree. Did anyone else find that interesting? They obviouly lingered on it to make sure we saw what it was.

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Content There is an explanation of what the symbol means on the tailsection if you haven't seen it.

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Content There was nothing in last nights episode that you couldn't have garnered from previous episodes. What we did not get though was any explanation as to why the Others behave the way they do to the Losties, never mind what they want. Jacks reason for not getting Juliet to answer any questions was risible. I was prepared to think that, as per usual with people on this Island, he was privvy to some info that he wasn't telling anyone else but when he explained to Juliet why he trusted her my head almost exploded with frustration. And yes he can trust her but that doesn't mean she can't answer some fucking straight forward questions like "What do you Want?" and "Why are you doing this". Anyway now the others have some other weird infiltration scam going on with Juliet who may or may not carry it through. I don't care unless I know these peoples motivation and as of now that is still as big a mystery as ever. Oh and the prize for top wankdom last night goes to ......Sayid, for using a machete to clear a path you could walk an elephant through.

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Content They could have found out about Sawyer killing that guy well after the plane crashed. They had contact with the outside world for how long after the crash? plenty of time to do some digging, which they seem quite good at.

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Content I almost choked on my tongue laughing when he told Sayid that Juliet was under his protection. As if Sayid couldn't kill everyone on the Island before they even knew what happened.

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Content You homos keep asking what Jack's motivation is for hovering over Juliet! Simple really, when she showed him her new scar, he, like Goodwin, was enthralled by the power of her SexyBack(tm). Yes, I said it again, SexyBack(tm). The newest super hero power. Claire (from Heroes) has the same power but we haven't seen it yet. I mean we've seen SexyFront(tm) on her, but her chest was flayed open and it was kinda gross. Just one more week until....!Awesome!(tm)

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Content Echoing The Selector's comments...infertility? That's the reason behind the Others' nefarious plan? Who gives a shit?<BR><BR>Also, Novaman5000, as you say, "We learned that Ethan was sneaking into camp and taking blood samples of Claire and others every night, and that Claire wasn't just having paranoid dreams." The problem is that we actually learned that _three years ago_ back in the first season. That is absolutely nothing new.<BR><BR>Finally, yeah, the whole pregnancy thing might be a problem for Sun, but it's doubtful. The dead woman on the table was definitely very far along in her pregnancy, judging by her size. With as slow as this show moves, it's doubtful that Sun will get that far along during the show. We're three quarters of the way through the third season, and the Losties have only been on the island for 83 days. The end of the first season was day 44, which means that seasons two and three have grown remarkably slower. Assuming the fourth and fifth season run at the same rate as the second and third, Sun will only be half way into her second trimester, and that's assuming she got pregnant prior to the crash. My inference was that she got pregnant ON the island because of the island's powers, likely after Jin returned with the Tailies, in which case you can cut 48 days off her progress. If so, that would put her at 11 weeks...still in the first trimester. Sun being pregnant will _NEVER_ be an issue, unless the writers grow a fucking pair and decide to actually move the plot, and the calendar, along a bit faster.<BR><BR>Finally, yeah, I still watch the show...is that the best insult you can come up with? In fact...is that _all_ you can do? Resort to ad hominem by implying that I am somehow a loser for continuing to watch the show? Good job.

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Content ...I thought the exact thing when Jack put SexyBack(tm) under his "protection". I would have loved to see Sayid knock Jack on his arse, rip down his pants, bend him over, and whisper in his thick Arabic accent, "Perhaps I should have brought some "protection" myself, Jack."