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Wayne Kramer And Harrison Ford Are Planning To Stir The Sh*t With CROSSING OVER!
Hey, everyone. ”Moriarty” here.
When we posted the obit for director Bob Clark last week, the talkback quickly degenerated into a racist cesspool because of the illegal status of the drunk driver who killed Clark and his son. Never mind that their immigration status had nothing to do with the accident... just mentioning the issue seems to bring out the lynch-mob-with-a-shotgun mentality in some people.
So I’m sure there will be a good deal of heated discussion regarding the new project by Wayne (THE COOLER, RUNNING SCARED) Kramer. Do me a personal favor, though, okay? Don’t turn the talkback into another repulsive display. At least pretend you know how to talk about the issue like human beings.
Personally, I’m just amazed he managed to pin Harrison Ford down and get him to star in something so politically charged. This is the guy, after all, who famously squirmed out of both TRAFFIC and SYRIANA. Those films took complicated looks at tricky subject matter, so I wonder what it is that finally got Ford to commit to this one.
There’s not a lot of information out there yet on this project, but check this out:
I found this over at variety and harrisonfordweb.com respectively, notice it hasn’t been posted here yet, I can’t wait to see the message boards reaction to this.
Is It Wrong To Hope This Is More COOLER And Less RUNNING SCARED?
jrdavis82
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I would really like to see H. Ford do something that isn't the same old lame-ass thriller. I keep rooting for him, and he keeps letting me down. Here's hoping.
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there I took care of it all for you folks on both sides of the issue
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I'm all for this, i think it is a smart move for harrison to try something a little less mainstream, i also read an article about this over at latimes.com about how this thing is nearly devoid of personal politics, but we'll see, i would like to see an unbiased view of immigration if possible.....
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Ford really needs to do something exciting again... and I am not talk about Indiana Jones..
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Yep. Just to get that out of the way. Because the rest of the talk back will involve oneside trying to state this in a more subtle manner and the other side trying to refute it, in a not so subtle manner.
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Clooney? One of the lawyers? Christopher Plummer? Chris Cooper?
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he turned down clooney's role
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wasnt he just famously in a verbal fistfight with geraldo a few nights ago! YOUTUBE ftw.
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...the guitarist from the MC5 makes movies.
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This flick sounds like a traditional drama though. I thought for a sec that Harrison was going to star in some awesome crazy shit (ala Running Scared). But it sounds like Wayne's in "The Cooler" mode (a movie I enjoyed so it's all good.)
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Why? Cuz I said so.
What does this have to do with the movie? About as much as Moriarty's apologism for illegal aliens. He should have tried to make the argument that the fact that dude was drunk had nothing to do with the accident either. "And I don't want to hear any of your bigoted crap about people knocking back a dozen beers and then hitting the road! His drunken status has nothing to do with anything!"
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Seriously, he's starred in THREE MOVIES since the beginning of the decade, THREE. This is one of the biggest film starts of the 1980's, and yet most filmgoers under the age of 17 probably have no fucking idea who he is. That's sad as hell. Having Ford eschew his customary $20 million paycheck (why does he need another one? He's richer than God) and take a role in a "small" movie is a good sign.
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the dude from WWE.
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So I anxiously await his next endeavor. If he made Paul Walker cool he can definitely reinvigorate Harrison Ford.
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The man is box office poision. Six Days Seven Nights (1998), Random Hearts (1999), K-19: The Widowmaker (2002), Hollywood Homicide (2003) and Firewall (2006).
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As a lifetime Harrison Ford fan, I've got to say that this is the most exciting news I've heard in ages. He's an incredible actor, but has not had a realy good role in years. Here's hoping this movie brings back the Harrison Ford of old.
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... did Ford turn down the Syriana role?!! He either needs to recalibrate his quality control or fire his agent or start taking chances again or something. Come back to us, Ford! Please come back!
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Damn. When I interviewed Johnny Messner the way he described it made it sound so cool too. Also, I just watched Running Scared with some friends. It kicked all of their asses and then they complained that they never even knew it existed in theaters and wished they could have seen it there.
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... I guess the first Scumbag of the Evening award goes to Kevin Willis.
You think it makes me an apologist to be disgusted by racial hatred? When have I ever written anything on this site... or anywhere... about illegal immigration that gives you the right to say what my opinion on it is?
Drunk drivers are criminals. Period. They should be punished to the full extent of any applicable laws.
But go ahead, you troll. Put more words in my mouth. -
The Variety article begins by calling it an "immigration" drama, but in fact it's about ILLEGAL immigration, which it mentions in the next paragraph.
This seems minor, but it's like saying a movie is about doing coke vs. saying a movie is about doing Flintstone's chewables.
I wasn't here for the racist talkback, so let me get my digs in... (Just kidding.)
I will say that one's illegal status is very much pertinent to such a discussion; if the person who killed Clark not breaking our laws, he never would have been here to kill Clark. I'm sorry, but this really is pertinent to the discussion.
Drinking while intoxicated is against the law, yet that was freely and properly mentioned in all the articles I've read about it. So why shouldn't his being in the country illegally out of bounds? Because it's not "nice" to say so?
Having said all that, I see no point in getting racist about such things. It's not like all foreigners to America cause crime here; the issue isn't their ethnicity, one's skin color didn't lead them to crash a car into innocent people. The issue is their committing a second crime only because they had to commit a crime to be in that position. Sorry if bringing that up bugs people, but it IS part of the story, and not an unimportant one.
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but when it comes to this issue I think we really need to rememdy this issue. Coming from Oklahoma I run across them sometimes. But when I visited some friends in Houston, well, we might just have been across the border. I couldn't believe the % of illegals that inundated where I was.
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fuck your transparent two party system crap. You guys arguing blue vs red is like debating the virtues of shit over vomit. they both stink.
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Thank god.
I so waited for something like that to happen!!!!! Last week, though, when Scott Frank spilled the beans about the reason why Ford infamously left A WALK AMONG THE TOMBSTONES I almost gave up all hope. Obviously Ford thought that the role of alcoholic PI Matthew Scudder wouldn't appeal to "his customers". Now my faith is restored. This la times piece covers the film quite extensively and gives some insights into Kramer's concept, it may be a bit spoilerish, though: http://www.latimes.com/ entertainment/news/la-et-crossing 9apr09,0,1610028.story?coll=la-home -entertainment I hope for a fulminant return of his wonderful presence. I just love that man... -
Your comment makes no sense. It's not the same thing at all. Try fixing it like this - make the Irish molester an illegal Irish immigrant first, then take out the part about rallying against illegal Irish immigrants and replace it with just illegal immigrants. Then realize it isn't racist to be against illegal immigrants, as I know Hispanics who are citizens or here legally who don't like illegal immigration, either.
I liken the whole situation to using a gun while robbing a bank. The punishment is jacked up due to the use of a firearm while committing a felony. They are committing crimes to be here, any crimes they commit after that are directly related to the first crime. -
I had Images of Harrison Ford singing "Kick Out The Jams, Motherfucker!" while Wayne Kramer tears his guitar a new one. somehow, I knew this couldn't be true.
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I have to disagree, Mori. There were some very inappropriate things said in the original Bob Clark thread, but it is wrong to say that the guy's immigration status had nothing to do with it. I'm surprised that you would even say it. He shouldn't have been in the country, but his being here was tolerated, even supported, by people who have some pie in the sky idea about illegal immigration or by assholes who enjoy exploiting illegals' to pay them less. There's the basic lack of respect shown by this guy to come into the country illegally, drive illegally and not only that - be drunk by doing so. The amazing thing is that some peoples solution to this isn't to deal with the problem of illegal immigration, but to give them licences. There is a citizenship process in this country for a reason - to teach the basic values, laws, and norms for American society. The idea is that if you respect the country enough to go through the process, you will respect the country when you are a citizen of it. Anyone who comes into this country and plays by the rules deserves a fair shake and deserves everything we can do to make it so. I have friends from other countries that would love to come here and work, but can't because of these quota systems we have for immigration. I have other friends stuck in the process for years, but bearing with it because that's what they have to do. They are all disgusted because they are watching the Federal and state systems bend over backwards to accomodate people who lack the willingness to play by the rules. They are right to be disgusted. Both Bob Clark and Adrienne Shelly died in part because segments of our society and government find it advantageous or ennobling to tolerate illegal immigration. Something like this, Mori, frustrates a lot of people. When someone dies like this, it is not enough to simply mourn but to ask why and keep asking to see where the answers take you. Anyways, I just had to put in my two cents - hopefully in a respectful enough manner. Like I said, people who troll out the racist comments or the "racist" chants, drag down the discussion into an unmanageable state.
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all politicians can burn in hell in my book all they want to do is abolish the middle class like me its time we take America back We need a V to light this mofo up.
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Take any statistical group of people, say illigal immigrants; then some off them will do good things abd some will do bad. To latch onto the illigal immigrant part is ignorant and naive. Could have happened anywhere and anytime. To try and second guess fate through the actions of humans is a recipe for a frustrated life. And to think that your entire country is based on immigration, illegal or otherwise, is amazing. Your Attorney General (dickhead though he may be) is the son of immigrants. Stop beefing about fate and be thankful it wasnt you. When it is you, you wont be worried about the immigration status of the person who has just crasshed into you.
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Generally, I am with you. "You cannot legislate stupidity" is one of my favorite sayings, yet politicians the world over seem to want to do just that. And you are right - if he was a tourist - passport in hands, checked in at customs, that would have made a difference. You can't do anything about that. However, the fact that the guy was here illegally, had a previous record, and was still around - that falls under the category of "things the government can and should do something about".
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A moderator on a site call a visitor to that site a "scum bag" before. NIIIIIIICE.
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My two favorite actors going into the 1990s were Arnold Schwarzenegger and Harrison Ford. Talk about being in for a rude awakening post-1993. I have no faith in Harrison Ford anymore, but I will keep my fingers crossed. I also happened to like The Cooler and Running Scared quite a bit, so we will see what happens. Also, I am heartbroken that they insist on going forward with an Indiana Jones IV. Does anyone here truly think that that project is going to be any good?
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Sheesh. The way this was introduced, I thought it would be about Ford playing an ex-Muslim who becomes a prophet for a new religion in ancient Rome, calls himself Jesus, and then, angered after his political opponents try to crucify him, he goes into a Tibetan monastery... Now that would be, by the standards of today's Hollywood, mildly controversial.
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Seriously I'm not trying to be funny here, but I cant remember anything in recent memory.
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For those who haven't heard about it, there's a similar case in Virginia Beach where an illegal alien (and don't give me that touchy feely "undocumented worker" P.C.B.S.) who was arrested numerous times for DUI and went out once again DUI and killed two teenage girls. Yet the presiding judge and city mayor did nothing about it. No deportation, no jail time. Let the guy off with a pass because they didn't want to piss off the open-border people. So, ask yourself if an American citizen would have gotten the same treatment. THAT, dear friends, is what immigration status has to do with it.
Now, as for Harrison Ford, generally I like his work but I'd like to see more natural emotions. He's a bit too static. Seems like Lucas was the only director to draw this out in SW:NH. "Get off my plane" doesn't cut it for me. -
Apr 09, 2007 10:20:04 AM CDT
H Ford + memorable flick? Firewall - I rememebr it was
by kinghenryviii
shit! And i like the dude but he's picked some real zingers so far. I hope this is a reboot for him. he embodied the term "hero" while I was growing up and now .... laughable. C'mon Harrison - pull out a great flick, we (you) need it!
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I for one am looking forward to an intelligent movie dealing with this topic. One that doesnt degenerate into the pathetic display that has been occuring on these boards. Props to you Mori for trying to instill some sense of decorum. Obviously, its probably a futile effort, but i'm with you.
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because Running Scared was one of last year's best films.
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Damn you Short Round!
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...debating illegal immigration on AICN or knowing that it could easily turn into a Trek vs. Galactica debate just as easily.
Settle down fanboys, there's a time and place for everything. This is neither. -
It's about time he made something with some balls again!
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As long as this "Crossing Over" has nothing to do with that asshole snake-oil salesman John Edwards, a scurrilous fraud if there ever was one, I'll check it out. Harrison Ford ain't what he used to be, though. Maybe he'll pull out a great performance here, but if this is another "Firewall" or "Hollywood Homicide," I'll be disappointed.
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Cause there was no info given. We know nothing of the movie to make any kind of informed decision. It could be Syriana or it could be a stupid piece of shit. What I would prefer to see is reform in the Mexican government. The estimated population of Mexico in 2006 was 107,449,525. Half of that live in poverty with 5% living in extreme poverty. Many areas have no access to basic sanitation, water or electricity. Unemployment sits around 40% and Mexico has an international debt of approx 191 billion dollars (in 2001). Yet Forbes magazine ranks Mexico 4th in total number of billionaires. Governmental corruption runs rampant. Police can make folks disappear or put in jail under any kind of charges (check Amnesty International). Where gangs regularly kidnap folks for ransom. Where drug cartels possibly run the country more than the "real" government. Perhaps if Mexico improved itself its own population would not have to flee.
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Just as long as it doesn't delay or push back the June start date for Indy 4.
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i for one would rather see these two men team up to make a movie about that guy who said he could talk to dead people, wasn't his show also called CROSSING OVER? that would be about a hundred times cooler than this. we need a movie about illegal immigration but this men aint the ones to bring it to us
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... WHERE DID I SAY THAT ILLEGAL ALIENS SHOULD NOT BE PUNISHED OR DEPORTED?!?
Jesus, people. Did you read the Bob Clark obit thread? It degenated into people talking about why "wetback" isn't a negative term and worse. If you aren't a racist douchebag, then chances are I WAS NOT REFERRING TO YOU WHEN I SAID DO NOT BE A RACIST DOUCHEBAG IN THIS THREAD.
And I do think they are different issues. I didn't say one is completely unimportant overall. I just said that he didn't hit and kill Bob Clark because he was an illegal alien. "Oh, man, suddenly I'm having trouble handing the wheel of this car. I'm woozy and my judgment is impaired... because of my immigration status." He hit and killed Bob Clark and his son because he was drunk.
I'm just in favor of actually connecting cause and effect in a conversation. And somehow that's turned into me being a coyote in my free time. Talk about stretching to make a fucking point. -
Sorry I missed the Bob Clark obit thread. Sounds like a battle of intellectual giants or gnats maybe. A couple tips for your part time work. Make sure you fill up your van. You get bigger $$ that way. Plus if you drop them off at Immigration you can move them again a few days later for a double dip. Pimping might bring in more cash for ya. Just stay out of Farmington.
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Maybe the Weinsteins would like to try their luck with another double feature (since Grindhouse tanked). How about this film shown with "Machete"?
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He should not be allowed to make films. The Cooler and Running Scared are both garbage.
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Does that make Harry a roadrunner?
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the fingernail could have never been pulled from the Finger of Doom.
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How dare you bad mouth our right as Americans to voice our mistrust and hatred of brown people. Don't you realize that in 1776, when God deemed us the greatest nation ever and rulers of earth, he entrusted us with not only the right but the duty to exploit and degrade darkies? If this weren't true why would he (and c'mon only someone with a cock could be omnipotent)have put so many purists(i refuse to use the degrading term racist)into public office? And furthermore if you did any actual research, you would know that when an immigrant comes to this country through legal means, he is planted with a micro-chip that prevents from making any kind of mistake(REAl americans don't need this de-browning chip because god didn't program us to be able to make mistakes)!! Had he been legal, he would have been physically unable to get behind the wheel while intoxicated. Shit-man read a freakin' history book.
But seriously, what country do you think we live in? This is the same country that has recently made the N-word (no, not Ni! you nerds)acceptable on national television AND as a people we encouraged it by making these racist television shows some of the highest grossing cable shows ever, then rewarded it by starting a second show to provide a forum for using ALL the other degrading racist words that the first guy didn't use.
Don't let these ass-stains bring you down, man. If any of us on these talkbacks had anything worth saying, we'd have our own columns to write!
R.I.P Bob and Ariel Clark, no matter how it happened!!!
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