April 8, 2007, 1:31 a.m. CST
April 8, 2007, 1:39 a.m. CST
by Mr Bonefish
I wasn't very impressed with either film. It is a shame that The Devil's Rejects takes a backseat to this stuff. Don't get me wrong, it had its moments...but they were simply too few to make up for the filler. With massive cuts? Oh yeah, it would have been vastly superior.
April 8, 2007, 1:52 a.m. CST
I love QT. There has not been one film of his I did not like. But I disagree 100% with ya on this one. QT seems to be very out of touch with Death Proof. While I enjoyed the car chase scenes, the kills he made, etc. It still does not make up for weak dialogue and characters I could give two shits about with the exception of Stunt Man Mike who should have had WAY more screen time and dialogue. <BR> <BR> Had QT cut down about 30 mins from the start and just introduced the characters like he did in Resovior Dogs then maybe I would feel differnt. The amount of time though given to Jungle Julia and her gang was just too much and point less. <BR> <BR> I too know real Grindhouse Harry as my father used to take me to those types of movies as a child to the Hippodrome in Baltimore. I have to say QT wasn't even close. Sorry. It felt like a cliche of his own work. <BR> <BR> Everything else you wrote about the movie with the exception of Death Proof though I agree with 100%. I even enjoyed Eli Roth's piece and that is another place I disagree with you on but I will save that rant for another conversation.
April 8, 2007, 1:53 a.m. CST
by Darth Melkor
Loved every last second of Planet Terror. Death Proof is taking some getting used to. I likes the parts that everyone likes, the chase, the Kurt crying like a puss, the revenge at the end. It's the incredibly long drawn out conversations that go on for 15 minutes I have a problem with.
April 8, 2007, 2:09 a.m. CST
by Bob C. Cock
but austin does NOT have the best mexican food. do you think mexicans only run across the border to Texas? helloooooo california!
April 8, 2007, 2:11 a.m. CST
If you had a miserable time - that's your loss. I absolutely love it. Seen it twice now, and Yoko is demanding I take her as soon as she's back from SC. <BR><BR>I found the dialogue to be highly realistic and entertaining. Feel free to disagree though, it is your loss, not mine
April 8, 2007, 2:11 a.m. CST
...and I'd like to give each one a smack. The last 40 minutes was the best payoff ever and Zoe Bell fucking rocks! Must go back soon.
April 8, 2007, 2:14 a.m. CST
id love to live in austin one day...but for now, ill have to make a pilgrimage to that chilli place.
April 8, 2007, 2:22 a.m. CST
that Tarantino doesn't give a shit about his audiences anymore. I watched that garbage and couldn't believe this was the same man who made Pulp Fiction and Resevoir Dogs. This movie was so bad it was like watching QT undergo some sort of "George Lucas-like" transformation from genius to hack.
April 8, 2007, 2:30 a.m. CST
by Some Dude
Best feminist movie in a long time.
April 8, 2007, 2:34 a.m. CST
Doesn't look like people are into grindhouse film anymore really. I have to ask this question, was grindhouse film even that great to begin with? Just seems like a bunch of B-movies that had little direction, sloppy projection, bad story, and crappy production values this side of porn. Why would anyone want to revisit that?
April 8, 2007, 2:34 a.m. CST
Fuck, man. What a blow. He's not very well known but when I realized the same guy had directed ROLLING THUNDER and OUT FOR JUSTICE it all clicked. Then it turns out he even did THE OUTFIT. Most of his other stuff doesn't seem to be available but alot of it sounds interesting. Everybody will laugh at me for bringing up Seagal at a time like this, but I have long felt that OUT FOR JUSTICE is the best directed and most badass of Seagal's movies, by far. Flynn brought a much classier look and feel to Seagal's style of action, and that movie also has alot in common stylistically with all the gritty cop shows that became popular years later.<p> And how the hell is it that we STILL don't have ROLLING THUNDER on DVD? Even HOLY MOUNTAIN is coming out next month. If Jodorowsky and Alan Klein can make up, if Iran can free the hostages, then for fuck's sake somebody straighten out whatever the rights issue is with ROLLING THUNDER.<p> Sorry to hear about that one. RIP Bob Clark and John Flynn.
April 8, 2007, 2:36 a.m. CST
If people that love this movie should move to Austin, I am packing my car now! That town seems so damn cool.
April 8, 2007, 2:37 a.m. CST
I really enjoyed the Thanksgiving trailer. That had to be some of the funniest shit I'd seen, with the heads getting cut off, the killer fucking the head wound, priceless. If they went ahead and made that film, I'd watch it.
April 8, 2007, 2:37 a.m. CST
by Triumph poops!
I have to say I was disappointed overall. Short and sweet, the two films were just too well made -- and the irony is that the opening trailer MACHETE and the middle trailers only rammed that point home.<p>Look, I'm actually old enough to remember these types of films, to remember the theaters and going to them, not to mention having caught these films later along the way in all sorts of ways, film dweeb that I am. Essentially, here's the big problem: while the trailers were comical in tone, they LOOKED and FELT right, at least as far as Grindhouse went. But the minute you see in the opening of PLANET TERROR a credit for Rodriquez's Digital FX studio, my brain instantly thought "For crying out loud, a TRUE Grindhouse filmmaker couldn't have even DREAMED of having the money -- let alone the access -- to digital FX to help his film along. And once you got into the actual movie, sure enough, that was the problem. PLANET TERROR looked far too slick for what a film of that era would have been able to actually ACHIEVE, if they had to make that exact same script given "what" they could afford or had access to at that time.<p>That was REALLY apparent in Tarantino's half. Give me a break! It doesn't feel like an ultra low budget Grindhouse car film. For crying out loud, by the time you get to the climactic chase, it's fast and sleek and exciting BUT looks like any normal low budget Dimension teen film, where ultimate care and filming tricks and some bucks were pulled out for that portion of the film. The overall production values just "looked" too good.<p>In the end did I LIKE the movie at all? In parts it was fun. I definitely liked PLANET more than DEATH PROOF (their order really should have been switched so you left the theater on a larger "up" note, just my opinion). And most of all, Tarantino needs to SERIOUSLY stop his personal jerk fest of thinking his psuedo dialoque style of people bantering endlessly on, all the while being OBVIOUSLY "hip" and "witty" by dropping pop culture references, will carry a scene. Sorry, but that diner scene with the second set of women was literally PAINFUL and GROAN INDUCING to sit through since it just... literally... dragged... on... forever. THAT should have been cut drastically and there should have been more Stuntman Mike instead. Frankly, Harry's whole notion that Tarantino's film seques perfectly into an old style female revenge flick is why I think the Tarantino section also fails. It's like he went for two Grindhouse movies in one -- an action car flick AND a female revenge one. The final moment (which I won't spoil) only generated spotted light chuckles at my screening, and by that point most were just happy the thing was over. It was obvious in my screening that people just lost interest in DEATH PROOF about halfway through.<p>So nice try, nice experiment, but I would only give it 2 1/2 stars at best. Overall, I agree with the major critics. Given the people and talent involved, given the fun of showing some love towards a particular style of filmmaking and the types of films that came out of the Grindhouses, it was a disappointment.
April 8, 2007, 2:46 a.m. CST
I really loved everything about grindhouse what a awesome film both the movies and the trailers(especially that thanksgiving trailer, and the tex mex resturaunt ad) Last nights 8pm showing at work was awesome cause not only did i get to see two awesome movies after,i got off work. but tarantino, rodriguez, eli roth, and quite few of the cast were there at the chinese theatre during that 8pm show. ive seen quite a few parts of this movie in between giving tours at chinese theatre today and yesterday and the more i see of it over and over the more i love it what a great set of films
April 8, 2007, 2:49 a.m. CST
The comparison I would make between the two films is- Rodriguez had to emulate the Grindhouse experience, while it comes naturally to Tarantino. Planet Terror had memorable character archetypes, Deathproof had characters we give a damn about. Planet Terror (which I dug), made sure to hit every grindhouse cliche', and wasn't really supposed to be taken too seriously. It was fun emulated nostalgia. Deathproof, however, was straight up a damn good movie. You can already see how Tarantino wanted this to be something larger, as he is now putting together a full length cut. This is also part of the reason for Deathproof's odd structure, but honestly, the people bitching about it being "slow", or too dialogue-laden are completely missing the point. The first half of the movie (the first set of girls) was made to introduce and develop the Stuntman Mike character. The second group are, obviously, our characters, and the fun begins when these two halves collide. Yes the long dialogue starts again, but everything the second group of girls talks about has a point, and comes back around in the last half of the film. And that last half... as tense and exhilarating as anything you've ever seen. Machete was fun. Hobo With a Shotgun had it's moments. I don't think Rob Zombie got the whole grindhouse idea, and Werewolf Women of the SS was the least of the trailers. Lucky for him the Nic Cage cameo brings the house down. I think Eli Roth is a talentless hack, but he did knock Thanksgiving out of the park. That being said, the trailer (more so than Planet Terror) is complete emulation. I know the gore hounds are screaming for this to be made into a full length, but honestly all you would end up getting is a "wink wink", paint by numbers grindhouse slasher, not something original like Death Proof. The Don't trailer was great. Edgar Wright and Co. obviously get it, and gave it their trademark humor. Overall Grindhouse is some of the most worthy time you could spend at the movies.
April 8, 2007, 2:51 a.m. CST
The Stuntman ... or the Stuntwoman, especially in this case. Look at it: In the first half we get the Action Scene. The money shot. Then we cut to the stunt people - and Rosario Dawson. What are they doing? Sitting around talking. What else do stunt people do? They sit around and wait. Then they get their scene, i.e. the car. So they set it up and discuss what they're going to do. Again, more talking. Expect several yawns during all this talking, but know that it's what the stunt people do. Then they get their scene, and Rosario Dawson, the actress, gets, what else, the back seat. The stunt people take over. It's their movie. It's all their movie. It's Tarantino's ode to the stunt people, and it just happens to star one kick-ass stuntwoman. Damn. Her riding on the hood of that car really was one of the more impressive things I've seen at the movies in a Long time. Of course, after the Stunt Scene is over, so is the movie. Fitting and perfect.
April 8, 2007, 2:52 a.m. CST
What a great movie experience overall! However, I hated how Doc Block and her pops showed up in 'Death Proof'. That just seemed needlessly tacked on and when you're viewing a film that is pretty much all wink-wink/tongue in cheek from the get go, that was a little too much. I loved how Tarantino twisted 'Death Proof' as he did, but overall it felt too much like a "Tarantino Movie" what with all the looong and (honestly) pointless 20 minute conversations that stacked up one on top of the other. Too much cutesy trademark Tarantino dialogue that took away far too much screen time from Kurt Russell. I know that the world really wanted to hear my opinion, so there it is Earthlings!
April 8, 2007, 2:54 a.m. CST
i caught the flick last night and my first impression was that Quentin had created a masterpiece with a "talky flaw." Now roughly 22 hours later, i am feeling that Death Proof was indeed my favorite of the 2. You were right. the girls were real. The "reservoir dogs-esque" diner scene showed clear evidence of this. and Russel. wow what a performance. amazing work. anyway Harry, i loved the review, jealous of your roots in exploitation heaven, and glad that we were both extremely pleased with quentin and robert's efforts.
April 8, 2007, 2:59 a.m. CST
Having a car get into a head on collision at 80 miles per hour and having it’s trained, strapped-in stuntman survive is not all that impressive when you consider that Hogarth, a small child, simply cup in THE IRON GAINTS hand, survived a direct missile hit from a jet fighter and a 4,700 foot free fall into the earth. Furthermore, after the impact, Hogarth was up and running around within minutes of his crash – Stuntman Mike on the other hand, was catatonic in a hospital bed after his crash. And also, in the future before applying the phrase like “100% Death Proof” to a car, please consider that THE IRON GIANT also took a direct hit from a nuke in space and still managed to smile about it afterwards.
April 8, 2007, 3 a.m. CST
I enjoyed them both , but Death Proof was insane, made to cap off the night. Zoe Bell is the shit! The ending was perfect. I can only speak in quick sentences because I'm still shaking with excitment. Kurt gave a steller performance and it reminded me of the Kurt from Big Trouble in Little China...pure stud baby.
April 8, 2007, 3:02 a.m. CST
Just picked up Shogun Assassin + Lightning Swords of Death (retitled Shogun Assassin 2: Lightning Swords of Death) on DVD at Best Buy the other day. Didn't think those would ever hit DVD or any other format ever again (I still have an old Beta, yes Beta, copy of Shogun Assassin and never have seen LSoD).
April 8, 2007, 3:04 a.m. CST
...as I've been cluttering up the board under Mori's review for a while; but here I go again. I truly enjoyed the ride Grindhouse took me on; I want the DVD to contain both grungy-looking AND cleaned-up versions; I want those "missing reels" restored; and hell--I'll probably go see it in the theater again. (A shame but not overly surprising that Ice Cube's travesty of a family shit flick apparently did better box office than something genuinely creative and outside the mainstream.) Having said all that: QT's major mistake with Death Proof, as I see it, is not giving enough screen time to the character we're supposed to hate; and at the same time giving WAY too much time to the characters we're supposed to like. The end result is that we don't hate Stuntman Mike to the degree that we should, and we find ourselves disliking (and more than a little bit) the girls we should be rooting for. Consider: the most likeable character of all the girls is Zoe, who comes off as a bubbly nutcase (what the fuck do you THINK is gonna happen when you climb onto the hood of a car barreling down the road?!?); and the second most likeable is Abernathy, the one "mother" in the group, who comes up with the brilliant idea of leaving the youngest and most vulnerable member of their posse back with the borderline-drooling potential rapist at the cabin...as fucking COLLATERAL for the car! We're supposed to root for this?!? How are these characters sympathetic? Now, does this mean that they derserve to die? No...but they certainly deserved to be fucked with; and as a result, the climactic beatdown doesn't have the cathartic impact that it should. The only reason the scene still works is 'cuz, let's face it: some guys get off on watching chicks beat the shit out of other guys. Goes back to those old Wonder Woman comics where she'd swing her fist and knock out like a dozen Nazis in one shot, all the while showing enough skin to qualify as a cartoon centerfold. So yeah...the scene works in THAT sense, but you're not going YEAH! each time Mike gets bounced around like a pinball because as vile a character as he's supposed to be...we DISLIKE him less than we LIKE the girls. Ya follow?
April 8, 2007, 3:08 a.m. CST
The degree of DISLIKE for Stuntman Mike is less than the degree of LIKE for Abernathy, Zoe, Kim, and whatever-the-hell the cheerleader's name was...no, I guess I said it right after all. What the hell: it's after one in the a.m.
April 8, 2007, 3:15 a.m. CST
I read your comments in Mori's talkback and I feel much the same way. I think part of it comes down to the fact that Kurt is so damn charismatic and that movie geeks like us just love the man (he's Snake!!!), but you have a valid point too. I really didn't like many of the characters in Death Proof and I really felt bad for the poor "cheerleader" left alone with the hillbilly. Her whole "Ooo, I love Pretty in Pink!" was just too cute for words. The thing is, part of me was thinking, "Three girls would never do that to their friend!!" And then I was like, wait, is that sexist of me to think that only guys could be as cold/stupid to do something like that? So perhaps that was another way Tarantino was trying to construct a 'feminist' film. I don't know. I didn't really care for these gals but I still enjoyed the flick nonetheless.
April 8, 2007, 3:25 a.m. CST
how QT was driving past all the great spots but in no real order. And Guero's is the fucking shit, and so's Texas Chili. Goddamn I wish I was there now.
April 8, 2007, 3:29 a.m. CST
by Chadimus Prime
I don't want to hate on anything Tarantino. I think the man can be brilliant. But in DEATHPROOF, any first year editor could have cut out 30 minutes of relentless dialogue and made this piece tighter. People were squirming where I saw this film, and it wasn't because they were stupid or impatient. They just disliked all the yammering, all the arguing over points that we knew would eventually happen. It's a shame, too. Because the good stuff in Deathproof is fantastic.
April 8, 2007, 3:30 a.m. CST
Because that's what everybody here is talking about.
April 8, 2007, 3:38 a.m. CST
by Triumph poops!
That was my problem as well. Because the Tarantino film is literally split in half with the two sets of girls, by the time you get to the climactic car chase you've actually come to either dislike the girls for being such unlikeable bitches and oddly enough you find that you are almost rooting FOR Mike now.<p>In terms of all that, a big problem for me was that contrary to Harry's assertion that Tarantino's dialogue was sharp, I just thought the whole structure of establishing Set of Girls #2 simply dragged. At my screening, you could look around and literally SEE and HEAR the audience squirming about and whispering -- people clearly lost interest during that whole secondary "establishing" section. For crying out loud, you had to sit through (1) the overly long scene of them babbling in the car about who's doing what, who's fucking who, etc... but then you have to sit through (2) the overly long scene in the diner, where Tarantino once again does too much of his usual self-conscious "Hey, I'll drop witty pop culture references" type of monoloques... which then turns into (3) yet even MORE overly long monologuing at the farm about why they're there, how they'll get the car, who gets to go, etc... followed by (4) MORE overly long monoloques in the car to finally set up the stunt piece. That entire section of the movie just dragged. It just seemed to me that the notion of establishing the plot point that Zoe simply wants to drive a muscle car could have been trimmed a HELLUVA lot. And as I said before, since it DID take so long to establish everything...and were bored by it...by the time the action kicks in, you've sort of mentally back burnered what Mike did earlier in the film. So, yeah, I agree. When the chase is finally on you find yourself actually thinking "What the hell? Kurt was fucking with them... he even stopped and tauntingly thanked them... but he didn't kill anyone. So now Rosario and the other 2 want his blood? Fuck that - die, bitches, die!<p>And you're right, that created an odd problem. By the end of DEATH PROOF what I WAS hoping for was that we'd get some kind of shock "jump cut" or something, where a car on the road just comes along and kill the girls, just BECAUSE they had become so unsympathetic to me. Not to mention they were unlikeable pretty much all along and just a bunch of shrilly egotistical snots. Seriously, who would want to hang with them? As characters they were unappealing all the way through.<p>Well, not the cute one left behind. SHE would be worth hitting on!
April 8, 2007, 3:46 a.m. CST
Grindhouse up into it's two components. Talk about not getting the concept at all. They don't want a set of movies with 3 hour runtime. Or whatever.
April 8, 2007, 3:52 a.m. CST
...who just had a great, fun night out at the movies. I loved every frame of both films, and the only soft spot I could point to was Rob Zombie's trailer...it was just lacking what everything else had. The references and homages were so spot on, I just giggled my ass through the whole thing. This is two very creative filmmakers having a really f$%king good time making movies. And that joy is all on the screen. Can't wait to see it again.
April 8, 2007, 3:53 a.m. CST
"giggled my ass OFF", that should have read. The other way sounds kinda dirty.
April 8, 2007, 3:59 a.m. CST
of the 2nd half of Death Proof being Stuntman Mike's origin. I kinda wish that was the case. It'd be cool to see how Mike got his scar and developed into even more of a nutcase. Oh, and I know Mori and Harry are really cracking down on us for being misogynists and stuff, but did anyone else just get this huge thrill when Kurt was all, "You wanna get hot?! You wanna got hot?! SUCK ON THIS FOR AWHILE!" Perfect delivery.
April 8, 2007, 4:09 a.m. CST
is they can make you pay twice for hat Grindhouse-experience, these bastards! Man, in a perfect world, Kurt Russel, Zoe Bell and machine-gun-leg-wielding Rose Mc Gohan would go "Death Proof" on their collective asses!
April 8, 2007, 4:21 a.m. CST
The drawn-out boring-ass dialouge between all the chicks made me want to fall asleep!
April 8, 2007, 4:32 a.m. CST
probably the woman waving her bare feet in front of Stuntman Mike's face. Seriously...we all know Quentin has a foot fetish by now, but its getting a little carried away (and some of us are disgusted by it, another reason why I wanted Mike to annihilate the females).
April 8, 2007, 4:51 a.m. CST
How so? Because he voiced his opinion on what he thought was a shitty script? What would you have done? Asked for a cameo? I swear I can't for the day this site is left in the Alamo dust. Anyway, you liking Grindhouse is about as shocking as reading that Keith Richards might just have traces of drugs in his system.
April 8, 2007, 4:52 a.m. CST
and I have to agree. It could have definitely been first on the Grindhouse bill. Fantastic homage to cop movies that manages to make fun, but not in a stupid way. The visuals were fantastic and are almost on par with Rodriguez's and Tarantino's. I still have to say that Grindhouse was superior in almost every way though. And that Edgar Wright HAS to make "Don't."
April 8, 2007, 5:05 a.m. CST
Hearing it used so much recently has managed to really make it the crappy term of 2007.
April 8, 2007, 5:08 a.m. CST
what happened to the swedish cowgirls trailer we heard about for the last 2 years?
April 8, 2007, 5:16 a.m. CST
I am glad this movie bombed!
April 8, 2007, 5:19 a.m. CST
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April 8, 2007, 5:43 a.m. CST
That was a sweet tempered read, Harry that went well with Mori's exciting review. Between you fellows and Quint and Cap and Wrym, I can't wait to this this movie. On DVD. Ya see, I like to rewind parts and watch them over again. And over. And over. <p> I just re-read that and it could sound like sarcasm but I am not kidding: I have a serious fixation with the rewind button. Followed by the Slo-mo button. It takes me four hours to watch a two hour movie.˙
April 8, 2007, 6 a.m. CST
Loved the review, loved the movie. There's a scene with, and a speech from, Bruce Willis in "Planet Terror" that makes me feel better about life. <br><br> The three hours flew by, which I was not expecting; "Grindhouse" moves FAST. "Planet Terror" by itself felt like the best parts of six George Romero films spliced together - not just the "Dead" stuff, but also "Martin" and "Creepshow" and "Knightriders." It's action-packed, yes, but it's not empty-headed action; it's packed silly with characters and ideas. <br><br> And "Death Proof" in and of itself feels like a double feature. The first half is kind of like "American Grafitti" if Bob Falfa came to manifest Laurie Henderson's worst-case scenario. There's even a popular radio deejay at the center of it. And the second half is a much better idea for "More American Grafitti." There's a scene near the end with a bottle of glove-compartment booze which may be my favorite Kurt Russell scene ever. Which is saying something. <br><br> 4 a.m. Me sleep now.
April 8, 2007, 6:25 a.m. CST
by Sledge Hammer
...neither Rodriguez nor Tarantino (especially Tarantino) have any fucking idea what Grindhouse cinema really is, or was. No, this is a post-modern reinvention of Grindhouse, a self aware self congratulatory way for these two to pat themselves on the back as to just how cool and different and 'film savy' they are, while selling that particular piece of branding identity to film geeks everywhere, most of whom seem to be swallowing it up whole heartedly and taking it on faith that "these guys know their stuff" just because they know how to talk up a good game. But sweep away the boasting and bullshit a bit and you start to see just how thin some of the stuff they throw out there really is. Just because you can namecheck something doesn't mean you can re-create it, and these two haven't recreated this at all, no matter how much digital artifacting they do to their prints, or how retro-chic they make the poster art. <p>All that said, and as much as I disagree that any of this is very Grindhouse at all, Planet Terror is still a really fun time out, and an enjoyable piece of schlock, while Death Proof is, unfortunately, yet more proof that Tarantino's talent these days is far outweighed by his ego, and he no longer knows how to edit things down to distill the best out of himself, but is instead suffering from the delusion that everything he does, and however he does it, is clearly golden. I wanted to love Death Proof, but in the end I didn't even like it. In fact I'd say the film was so unsuccessful, so bloated and smug, that it washed over me with so little effect that I felt almost nothing towards it whatsoever.
April 8, 2007, 6:54 a.m. CST
I've seen GRINDHOUSE twice now and the audience reaction at the end of DEATH PROOF has been the same both times: uproarious applause coupled with "holy fuck I can't believe that just happened" vocal disbelief. It was one of the best things I've ever witnessed from a movie-going audience because everyone was on the same page. Nobody saw that fucking ending coming and that's what's so goddamn amazing about it. Oh, and the missing reel bit from DEATH PROOF sent the audience into fits of "awwwww." Total fucking tease (but amazing, none the less). I can't wait for the DVD.
April 8, 2007, 7:36 a.m. CST
I posted this on Quints review but after a three days of it being up...Harry this kind of review is why I read at Ain't it Cool. I have seen these movies twice and will see them several more times. There is no better movie-going experience than one where talented knowledgeable directors do what they love and know best and clearly have fun with a project. Even if you don't like a certain kind of movie, when it is all about tlc, fun and sharing what a director loves about about their art, the feeling for the audience in the movie theater is electric and very different than when a movie is made for all the wrong reasons (to make money, to fill space during holiday seasons, to further someone's career or inflate their egos). The Rodriguez/Tarantino GH experience is food for the movie-lover's soul. (A few other examples of this for me are Shaun of the Dead, Hot Fuzz, Dead Alive (Brain Dead), King Kong (2005) and Land of the Dead, Cabin Fever, Severance, The Departed...I'm still waiting to see Black Sheep). Will see it several more times. Don't listen to TBers about Death Proof. I understand where people can think it is boring or chatty...especially because it is in the same movie with the action-packed, super-fueled Planet Terror. But don't listen to the Naysayer TBers, first of all they don't know how to enjoy or understand what the laid-back elements do for the action elements. I'll be the first to tell you that the first part of Death Proof is slow-moving, but that doesn't make it bad. It is important, because without it, the second part wouldn't be so kick-ass. It is important to know what kind of stalker insane person Stuntman Mike is and that is what the first part of the movie establishes. If you are a true movie geek, the best thing to do is to see the movie yourself and come to your own conclusions. NEXT, The GH soundtracks are incredible. Supports the action and genre in both movies (the tender, cheesy-romantic piano during an exchange using technology in Death Proof was a really great touch). The soundtracks are an incredible audio experience on their own...I highly recommend buying them. If you live in Austin, put the soundtrack on, pump up the volume, and cruise down Congress Ave. (and hope a cop doesn't stop you). It's pretty cool. One last note: Zoe Bell is so badass and totally warm and fuzzy/down to earth at the same time...what a cool character. Hope to see more of her as herself and not just a stunt double.
April 8, 2007, 7:45 a.m. CST
by Rex Manning
..is there no grind in Grindhouse?
April 8, 2007, 7:46 a.m. CST
by I Dunno
I just got off the phone, AIM, ICQ, telegraph, carrier pigeon and subspace radio with everyone in Grindhouse and they want Harry to stop dropping their names.
April 8, 2007, 8:21 a.m. CST
All of the nudity is in the trailers. That said, the movies get along fine without it. "Death Proof" takes a little while to get into, but once I realized, "Oh shit, Zoe Bell is actually fucking doing that," then I was done for. Best cinematic experience I've had in a while. Now we just need a double bill of "Thanksgiving" and "Don't!"
April 8, 2007, 8:29 a.m. CST
That's the one line review. My in depth is a little more nuanced. Please read onwards <br><br> First of all, I never had the Grindhouse Experience, but I can imagine how it must have felt to frequent these film places, and how nice it would be to sit through some piece of cheap schlock, only to find a previously unheard of gem following it in a double feature. In a sense, it seems like this is what GRINDHOUSE seems to do, using Rodriguezes flick as the cheapo piece of crap that makes Tarantino's rather better film more welcome, a diamond in a coal, so to speak.<br><br> I really did not enjoy PLANET TERROR as a film. I was prepared for the scratched up film stock, and the IDEA of watching a bad movie, and all the time I was watching PLANET TERROR I had a little voice reminding me "this is all ARTFUL badness", but in the end, I had still seen a rather badly made movie. Artfully recreated badness? Perhaps. Perhaps a huge amount of effort was made to recreate the feeling I was watching a super cheapo piece of crap movie, but in the end, there's this deep lingering suspicion that the same effect could have been achieved by just being sloppy and careless and shooting it fast and cheap, and I'm betting that that's exactly what happened. A chef might masterfully recreate the taste of shit in his chocolate mousse, and you might be amazed at his skill in creating the taste of shit in his chocolate mousse, but in the end... don't you think he might have, you know, taken a short cut, and you're actually eating shit? So let me review it as if it actually were a bad movie, as opposed to a Art Concept, even allowing that all the elements I'm about to describe are deliberately crafted. 1. The acting is uniformly flat and unengaging. The actors speak their lines as if they had just had them read to them minutes ago, with unconvincing emotion. Rose McGowan, who I think is absolutely beautiful, is unconvincing as a sad Go Go Dancer, and every line she speaks is a waste of her normal charismatic self. Freddy Rodriguez, the supposed hero, delivers everything in a one note tough guy spiel. The only person who stood out for me was Marley Shelton, the doctor's wife, who actually made you feel her fear in the scenes she was in, and Quentin Tarantino chewed up the scenery in a fun way that probably has to do with the fact that he was directing himself, as opposed to taking direction (or lack thereof) from Rodriguez. The stuff I was looking forward to (Rose McGowan with a machinegun leg) I found curiousl uninvolving when it appeared, mainly because no effort had been made to make the character appealing, so her having a machinegun leg just didn't cut it by itself. They might as well have given an anonymous zombie a machinegun leg. However, when McGowan isn't speaking, the camera does love her often (the opening go go dance was nice, and made me anticipate a better movie) and the "missing reel" gag is less frustrating than a metaphor for her HOTNESS, and that hot scene was actually quite watchable. Ultimately, though, if you have the option of skipping one of these movies, I'd skip PLANET TERROR, unless you want to experience it as the unappetizing prelude that makes the second film's Diamond shine brighter, which it accomplishes in Spades.<br><br> DEATH PROOF seems to me, as has been observed by many others, it's own little Grindhouse Double Feature all in itself. There are two stories. The first one is a slow building, character loving, dialogue heavy little gem, which has an incredibly shocking ending. All the girls seem like real people on who we are simply eavesdropping, and Rose McGowan proves that with a caring director she can be her charming self, and actually ACT when needed, not simply drip applied tears, as was done in the Rodriguez film. Kurt Russel is fantastic. I'll remember the scene where he charms his way into a reluctant character's trust for a long time. The atmosphere at the bar, the music, the little character touches, make this a wonderful little piece. Now the second half ... I liked it, but it wasn't quite a perfect as the first was. The second group of girls are not as natural in their acting as the first group. Their banter about their love lives seems relatively artificial compared to the girls in the first half of the film. Plus, I as an audience member had to deal with the fact that I'd invested a lot of time getting to know the people in the first half, and had to now start over again. However, it's to Tarantino's credit that he does manage to pull this off a second time, though not quite as successfully, and we do manage to care for all these characters once again, and that's no mean feat. But it does drag a bit, and the dialogue seems forced, probably because it's all in aid of a contrived Revenge scenario, wherease the conclusion to the first half seemed natural, though it was unexpected. But Kurt Russel totally shines in his role, even though he seems to be playing a slightly different Stuntman Mike than in the previous half, a stuntman Mike who blithely swoops down in broad daylight, not on innocent normal girls, but wacky stunt women doing wacky things with their car, the (initially) careful character we were set up with in the first half. There is a long car chase that's just not inventive enough to hold one's interest, and it goes on far too long. However, Kurt Russel's performance is FANTASTIC in this section, so fantastic that he steals the limelight from the characters we are supposed to be sympathizing with, and makes us feel for him as a human being in fear and pain, and this kinda fights with the audience's need to root for the girls getting their revenge. Even though we, the audience, know how nasty Mike is, and how much of a stomping he deserves, THESE CHARACTERS DON'T. Mike may TRY to do what he did in the first half, but he doesn't succeed (mainly because his modus operandi is so different, without any explanation why), thus the girls complete absence of interest in simply calling the frigging cops sort of sits there during the long car chase and starts to nag at a viewer, especially when daylight highway chasing begins, and the inevitability of Cops starts to intrude on the viewers consciousness and suggest a less happy ending than the final shot implies, an ending where all these girls go to jail for manslaughter. So, all in all, there's a neat Tarantino horror gem in the first half, and an entertaining but a bit clumsy second half, and both halves are made immensely welcome by the extremely (deliberately?) crappy setup given by Rodriguez's movie. My general impression of the reviewers complaining about the first half being "too talky" is, SHUT THE FUCK UP, you ADD BABIES, but complaints about the second half have a point.<br><br> The "previews" were a mixed bag. I liked MACHETE (it was an entire movie told in a minute) and I loved "DON'T", and Harry Knowles is the first reviewer or talkbacker that I've notice mentioning it, though Moriarty might have as well. Everyone else seems to be spooging over the "Werewomen of the SS" and Eli Roth's "Thanksgiving". The Werwomen trailer seemed totally cheap and unfunny, and "Thanksgiving" seemed unfunny too, as if an adolescent had got hold of a video camera, and was stupidly proud of himself for his retarded and repetetive beheading jokes. The voice over even sounded like it was an adolescent trying to disguise their voice, and so full of his cleverness you can hear the silly self-satisfaction in it. That dopey trailer ensures I will never ever even consider sampling an Eli Roth film. But "DON'T" has ensured that I'll check out HOT FUZZ and SHAUN OF THE DEAD, because that guy actually has a sense of humor that goes beyond cheap gore and blow job jokes. That's it. Thanks for Reading.
April 8, 2007, 8:35 a.m. CST
...then there's a good chance you haven't graduated high school yet. It required you to sit still and pay attention for longer than 40 seconds, so I'm not surprised the kiddies weren't impressed with it.
April 8, 2007, 8:56 a.m. CST
No, seriously, you sound like a moron. "The First half of Death Proof was meaningless, useless, a waste of time and money". ? Were you dropped on your head as a baby? Is that why you can't pay attention for more than five minutes? Oh, and Jungle was frigging BEAUTIFUL, and a delivered a more natural performance than any of the girls (except maybe the cheerleader) in the second half.
April 8, 2007, 9:04 a.m. CST
Rent the documentary Double Dare. It's about her efforts to break into Hollywood with the help of a veteran stuntwoman. And it's damn good.
April 8, 2007, 9:04 a.m. CST
I don't think a "grindhouse" movie would drop "pop culture references" like "Vanishing point". Grindhouse movies should exist in a world of their own. The heavy dialogue and pop culture references dropping is a staple of Tarantino, not grindhouse cinema. I think Tarantino was doing an homage to himself.
April 8, 2007, 9:08 a.m. CST
but i think DONT is tied with HOBO WITH A SHOTGUN for best trailer
April 8, 2007, 9:11 a.m. CST
(some spoilers) did you think that maybe, just maybe, people who didn't enjoy Deathproof have a point? You're so enamored of Austin, Zoe and Quentin you've got rose-colored glasses going threefold. But you respond to criticism of it with a smirky "It's your loss" as if any opinion beyond yours is wrong. The movie dragged on mercilessly. There was twice as much dialogue as there ever should have been, and it was half as clever as it thought was. Which is a shame, because when it kicks in, it's great fun, and the second group of women are an entertaining group. The first group of women, meh... it took too long establishing them but not in very interesting ways and then killed them off, making the first half of the movie damned near pointless. what took 45 minutes or so should have taken 15. But i will disagree with one of the haters above: In my theater, that neck-crunching final shot with the gals getting revenge was met with huge cheers. And I want that Machete movie NOW!
April 8, 2007, 9:12 a.m. CST
you cant tell me you were sitting there lapping up every second of that diner convo. i almost left during that scene, but i am very glad i stayed.
April 8, 2007, 9:13 a.m. CST
by Lenny Nero
...I believe, is just a paraphrasing of something Ebert once said about the same film in one of his film glossaries.
April 8, 2007, 9:14 a.m. CST
He no longer works with Roger Avary. No doubt, QT can still come up with a killer screenplay. But the so-called Tarantino dialogue, well, that was never his to begin with. At least, that's what people who know tell me.
April 8, 2007, 9:19 a.m. CST
When it comes to death proof, I think this is the kind of film you should see at least twice before passing judgments. Planet Terror you either love or hate, it's like a series of money shots. Death Proof, which I didn't enjoy that much first time through, is a harder film to access. QT doesn't establish anything with traditional means (IE. No act Structure, most of film is character building and not plot, pieces of the film are obviously missing.) I think though that the better film on its own is Death Proof, which is why I cannot wait for the DVD. But enough of that, Robert & QT this was some kick ass fun cinema and I would love to see another in a few years. That being said, QT, get back to Inglorious Bastards. I have been waiting for that one for a while.
April 8, 2007, 9:33 a.m. CST
About Zoe Bell.I saw her at Comic con last year and for some reason me and a friend of mine were slobbering over her,shes fucken beautiful and I loved the 2nd part of DP more than anything in GH just because of her.
April 8, 2007, 9:33 a.m. CST
Deathproof was a great idea killed by over the top dialogue that goes on and on. Now, I can appreciate that that whole scene was one looong take, but, like the guy above said, it was too long. Stuntman Mike is a cool idea for a serial killer. I mean think about it, the guy couldn't be prosecuted for first degree murder unless it was proven that he did it with intent. And that can't be proven if all the victims are dead. Basically, it's quite the racket ... for a serial killer. Just too bad we didn't see enough of that character.
April 8, 2007, 9:37 a.m. CST
I thought these were supposed to be era-appropriate Grindhouse stories. Guess I should've known they took place "now" with that marquee in Death Proof that read "Scary Movie 4" and "Wolf Creek"...
April 8, 2007, 9:37 a.m. CST
In movies, there's a shorthand to establish the characters, but QT dragged the girl intros on WAYYYY too long. I wanted to shout at the screen, "We get it, director! These girls are REAL PEOPLE with REAL EMOTIONS, and when they get off'ed, it will be REAL MEANINGFUL! Enough already, cut to the chase! (Literally)
April 8, 2007, 9:40 a.m. CST
by Mr. Nice Gaius
We have a Ringwearer9 sighting! I repeat, Ringwearer9 has been sighted!!!
April 8, 2007, 9:42 a.m. CST
"Annoying women" "she was the most annoying bitch" "I was happy when her flabby leg flew out the window" "Like Babel without the asian showing cooch" "annoying people". You hate women, you hate seeing a movie which actually likes them as people, as opposed to merely "showing cooch". You are fucktard piece of slime. Go shoot yourself, so we don't have to live in the same world as you.
April 8, 2007, 9:52 a.m. CST
i didnt grow breasts and fawning for my lay-dee da
April 8, 2007, 10 a.m. CST
Sorry Harry..while I liked Death Proof and was entertained, I really feel that it's the least of all Quentin's works. My least favorite thing he's ever done...really....<br> <br> After the fun and insanity of Planet Terror, it was just a let-down, and not really exciting... very well written (sort of), but disjointed and a slow burner. I think pretty much everyone really agrees it was the lesser of the two, especially for a true 'Grindhouse' experience...which is sad, considering how much fun Planet Terror was.<br> <br> that said, I enjoyed both... but felt Tarantino's was all over the place. I'm tired of hearing quotes about obscure films, I'm tired of characters talking in that type of narrative, and I'm tired of hearing the same old dialoge over and over. I love Quentin and wish for something better...but again Death Proof just wasn't what it 'should have been'... and if Harry's reading this, it's not about what Quentin's "trying to do" or "attempting to do"...it's about what he HAS done...and hasn't done that well. Sorry.
April 8, 2007, 10:02 a.m. CST
I really enjoyed the whole experience of both movies and the trailers. Very good stuff. I found myself laughing and even saying "Oh, shit" sometimes. The crowd at the time I went enjoyed the hell out of it. Laughing, gasps, clapping all the way around. As before I wished that there was more Russell. He was fantastic. Also, the only problem I had with Death Proof was my lack of focus. I couldn't keep my eyes off Zoe's beautiful tits and daydreaming about them. I went for a good time and I got it. Some of you people need to relax. If you think you can do better than the directors then make your own movie.
April 8, 2007, 10:02 a.m. CST
Should work with someone who knows sharp and tight dialoug again. I heard a rumour and I dont know if this is true or not but after Pulp fiction came out. He bought a very large house and moved in with his then girlfirend Patricia Arquette. his father died and he reacted very badly, then he and Patricia broke up and this is rumour bit....he locked the door, disconnected the phone and didnt leave the house for five years, there was silence, people thought QT was Dead and left the industry(which we all know that niether thing happened). Apart from being friends with RR, he seems to have lost friends with everyone else except UMA. His problem is source material. His trilogy dogs pulp fiction and true romance are all from the new wave french cinema which had cool dialouge, cool cars and sauve but ruthless crims. Jackie brown is ellmore leonard and again that has cool characters, cool dialouge. I remember seeing Resevoir Dogs and I was blown away by it as I was with Pulp fiction and Jackie brown which tarantinos finest film and as I have stated before I Loved RR early work excluding the faculty which was awful(i thought Spykids franchise was invented fun except the one in 3d) But Salma in a nurses uniform....mmmmmm...........
April 8, 2007, 10:14 a.m. CST
...Ted Bundy reviewing Henry Portrait of a Serial Killer. I mean, the movie couldn't have been more tailor made for him unless RR and QT were also licking his balls and feeding him oreos as the movie played.
April 8, 2007, 10:19 a.m. CST
Don't know when, but it will happen someday...the place just seems too cool for words.<p> Thanks for the great review harry, I loved every second of this film, and listening to one of my best friends bitching about Death Proof on the way out of the theater just made me think, "man, this ain't the place for me".<p> I'll be seeing Grindhouse at least two more times in theaters...its more than a movie, its an event. And its the kind of event I wish we got every other month. With a little luck, maybe we will someday...
April 8, 2007, 10:20 a.m. CST
I was looking forward to seeing that hot Vanessa Ferlito giving that lap dance, part of it was in the trailer....and they dropped it for effect? Fuck!!!
April 8, 2007, 10:21 a.m. CST
allowed into Ireland and Stuff which was not irish was taken off you and binned. We didnt have grind house cinemas they were deemed video nasties and were confiscated by the state and get the message home, they had clips on the news of trucks crushing tapes somewhere. Even though in the sixties the censorship ban was lifted, in the seventies things were draconian, it took thirty years to lift the ban the Original TCM movie. Oliver stones NBK is only available on DVD and TV. Anything that was deemed to be foreign or England was restricted and if you bought some brighton rock candy it was treaty as contraband or Curly wurlys! seriously. Things were that bad. Damn you dev!
April 8, 2007, 10:26 a.m. CST
The films as you (and many others) describe them sound great and I'm looking forward to catching them myself. BUT... the implication that one has to have seen old grindhouse movies to be qualified to judge (or possibly even enjoy) these movies is a problem. Movies are a self-contained experience and should stand on their own. If we have to do homework before seeing a movie in order to enjoy it, I'd say that's indicative of a problem with the movie itself, not the viewer. That's just my view. That's coming from someone who had a hard time enjoying Kill Bill because I could see so much of it was ripped from other movies - that's not a good thing and not something to be encouraged.
April 8, 2007, 10:26 a.m. CST
I watch it every Halloween on AMC. I always love the dream sequence in the church when the crazy werewolf bitch is playing the organ!
April 8, 2007, 10:27 a.m. CST
Okay, I don't really mean that. But I don't get it. I can understand some people have nostalgia for Shogun Assassin and Lightning Swords of Death, but isn't it time to let those movies go? Those are the BASTARDIZED AMERICAN VERSIONS of 3 much better movies. If Tarantino had to cut 30 seconds out of this to get an R-rating everybody would've been pissed. In fact, when the Weinsteins did something similar (but actually less drastic) in Tarantino's name with TOM YUM GOONG we all got pissed. But then you'd actually PREFER to watch the cobbled together and dubbed into English bloody parts of two really good samurai movies, than watch the real deal? Oh good, finally they have the widescreen anamorphic DVD of a dubbed, cut to hell lowest common denominator bastardization of a Japanese film... at last the American distributor's true vision can be seen. It makes no sense. Lone Wolf and Cub is the way to go, man.
April 8, 2007, 10:28 a.m. CST
Apart from the question of whether anyone agrees with what Harry says here, or whether one likes the movie or not, there are two things about this that I like a lot. One is just the unabashed love that permeates Harry's review. Cinema, family, fiance, home town, friends, fellow geeks--you can just hear the cumulative joy in his writing (as you also could in his recent TRON reminiscence), and you really don't see enough of that on the jaded, cynical, sling-mud-behind-the-cover-of-your-screen-name net these days. Secondly, whether this movie is genius or a dud, it's great to have such an interesting film that sparks so much conversation and draws in so many related topics. Even if you think it's junk, everything about it is more interesting and passionate than 90% of the junk that the big studios release. If only the mainstream movie marketplace was more a battle of the best, most creative ideas instead of a dreary game of "who can make the most money by taking the fewest chances". That we have an ongoing strain of this "going for it" work amidst the soul-shriveling dreck like "Are We Done Yet?" that opens every week--cheap plastic product that is basically the film industry writing itself checks each week--is, to me, reassuring. It's probably the single most uncool thing to say on this site, but good job, Harry.
April 8, 2007, 10:35 a.m. CST
Pictures of this project when it was filming in Austin. I love his love for the town. Never been to Austin but I feel tempted to take off, drive there, and eat chili. Love the passion for the town. Harry should be the ambassador to the town.
April 8, 2007, 10:37 a.m. CST
That was the thing that had me floored and reveling in excitement in the first half of "Death Proof." I have never been to Austin, TX but it sounds like my kinda place. The moment I noticed the Texas Chili Parlor, I was like kickass the bar/eatery fequented by the TXRD gals. Which I know from the A & E show "Rollergirls." It also excited me to see the cameos of some of the Putas Del Fuego and other girls of TXRD. I was the only one in my theater laughing and cheering that wink in my area of Ohio. I even cheered when Quintin thanked those places in the credits. This was a great spot on review man. I loved everything about this film, trailers and all. I might be the oddman out, and say "Don't" irritated me at first. In hindsight, it is pretty funny, but felt to me something that should be in "Kentucky Fried Movie" more or less.
April 8, 2007, 10:47 a.m. CST
Of all the reviews and posts, by far the most insightful comments.
April 8, 2007, 10:55 a.m. CST
The missing reel in TP was perfectly timed and got a big laugh, getting the film right to the final act. Since Tarantino's film didn't have the scratchy look of an old film, the missing reel gimmick felt tacked on and added nothing to the film. <p> Like so many others here, I have to question when long, self-indulgent dialogue became synonymous with quality filmmaking. How long do they have to talk about the freaking ditch Zoe fell into? As for pacing, starting the movie over again with a new batch of girls was a huge mistake, as evidenced by the audience shifting in their seats and checking their phones for messages. They could have had 3 groups of girls including an origin story for Mike if they had condensed their yammering into about 10 minutes, which still would have been twice as long as needed to establish these very 2-dimensional characters. <p> Finally, I found the nostrils on the girl in the first half (Vanessa Ferlito) very distracting. Not her fault of course, but not mine either. And if you're going to have a lingering butt shot of someone, maybe make it of someone with a cute butt. I wasn't even sure it was a girl until they panned up.
April 8, 2007, 10:56 a.m. CST
by Pound Sand
New wave homages, blacksploitation reboots, grindhouse rehash, chinese crime cinema ripoff, chopsocky do-overs, foot fetish thematic, rapid fire coke induced Avary dialogue..., just start making movies and quit the film school exercises.
April 8, 2007, 11 a.m. CST
I just did not care for Death Proof. The rest of Grindhouse was a slam dunk in every way. As I said I even enjoyed the car chase at the end with the 2nd set of women. It's that first 30 mins of Death Proof that drags everything down. There is a difference between an introduction of characters so you know who they are and a difference between being self indulgent and not knowing what an edit button is. I understand your point that made it more real for you. Still seems that this is going to one of those debates that is endless as people either love or hate Death Proof. And look I love QT as a director. This is the first time I've been disappointed by his work. Everything else that guy has been involved with you can call me a hardcore fan. Still does not mean I have to like it because it's QT. Every great director has a dud in the can from time to time. <BR> <BR> So the run down once more just to clarify, I LOVED Planet Terror and all the trailers. I am not even an Eli Roth fan by any means but he did a great fucking job with Thanksgiving. But I just cannot say I loved QT's piece and the only loss I feel is the time I had to sit there waiting for his story to finally kick in and give a pay off, which was a good pay off but does not make up for the shitty over bearing dialogue I had to suffer through to get there.
April 8, 2007, 11:07 a.m. CST
by andrew coleman
Are all you guys really pissed off film students? You guys talk about movies like they are personal attacks on you. Bitching about people's nostrils and butts are you for real? If dialogue somehow destroys your ability to watch movies maybe you should take a break for a while because this shit is getting too real for you. If movies mean that much to you guys and when they actually have parts where people talk and you have a mental break down maybe you should take a break from movies.
April 8, 2007, 11:10 a.m. CST
Thank ya very much. And I just thought of somethin: you know how QT coulda deflected all these not terribly-favorable comments? PUT SOME FUCKING NUDITY IN THE DAMN FILM! Or at least a scene with Vanessa Fellatio giving Sydnee P. a foot massage...we got so many shots of Jungle J's feet I almost expected them to appear in the credits as a separate character! Not that I'm complaining...
April 8, 2007, 11:13 a.m. CST
...just that it's quite funny that a lot of the negative reviews of Death Proof are stemming from the fact that there was a lot of talking in it. Personally I thought this fact of the movie reflected the genre QT was going after perfectly, as a lot of those old shitty movies from the '70s didn't have the budget to DO anything BUT sit around and talk. Same thing with the car chases - the money they did have went directly into establishing them as the centerpiece of the film. It's ironic that at the beginning of DP, there was a quick cut of some other title, because you could cut any of the footage in DP into a Burt Reynolds movie of the time and it would fit perfectly. That said, couple all of that with two sets of really attractive young women, and personally, I'm sold. I didn't have a problem with any of it. Not sure about any of you, but the theater I was in was FULL of laughing, cheering, and clapping the WHOLE way through both movies. The highlight of DP was obviously the car chase, but for me, it was Zoe Bell. I have a raging geekcrush on her now, and I can't wait to see Double Dare. Now THAT, boys and girls, is a real woman.
April 8, 2007, 11:18 a.m. CST
There is nothing wrong with dialogue as long as that dialogue is poignant and contains substance. QT does have a certain style for scenes that contain a lot of dialogue. It's one of his trademarks. One of things I love about his movies. Still dialogue for the sake of dialogue a great scene does not one make. In the case of Death Proof the fact is more that the characters, Jungle Julia and her cohorts were just not interesting. They had nothing of real substance to say that made you care about them. Where as when you look back at movies like Pulp Fiction and Reservoir Dogs the dialogue was rich and interesting both because of who was saying it and what was being said. It kept one's interest and worked each and every time. So to say that "dialogue somehow destroys your ability to watch movies" is just wrong. It does not destroy movies for me, it only drags down the experience when the dialogue sucks like it did in Death Poop. And there is no defense about it. Can you recall what stories were told in Death Proof from the ladies in the first 30 mins? Lets see Jungle Julia setting up her friend to give a lap dance if a poem is recited? How she was able to get her face on every billboard? I mean come on QT even throws homage to himself bringing up bits from Pulp Fiction. That's just lazy and self indulgent, not even funny and BORING. And when QT busted on those references no one laughed when that happened. It was sort of uncomfortable and pathetic to be honest.
April 8, 2007, 11:51 a.m. CST
Was the plot-line in 'Death Proof' with the Lee character (Mary Elizabeth Winstead) purposefully left unresolved? Is her fate to be revealed on a lost scene on DVD or something? I just found it strange that we never found out if she came out intact after being abandoned behind while the other three went off to test-drive the car. And 'Death Proof' also seemed to end rather abruptly. But I guess that that might be a tribute to grindhouse movies as well.
April 8, 2007, 11:58 a.m. CST
Tarantino's true influence for DEATH PROOF. TV Movie circa 1979. Van stalks and kills women on the L.A. freeways. You know Tarantino saw this thing. Even had a feminist revenge sub-plot. Saw it back then and never forgot it. Google it, you'll see what I mean.
April 8, 2007, 12:19 p.m. CST
I wanted to grab a bat a give her the business. If this was a female empowerment move why does Rosario Dawson and all those other chics allow that cunt to talk to her like that? That's my main complaint.I couldn't fucking stand her sista with a 'tude bullshit.She had zero charm or appeal and therefore should been road kill....
April 8, 2007, 12:26 p.m. CST
But I wasn't bored at all. And by a quick glimpse into my pants right now, I do have balls. Only the biggest pair you'll ever see, dingleberry!
April 8, 2007, 12:43 p.m. CST
by Neo Zeed
Am I reading this right?! It opened at number #4? I'd better watch Grindhouse soon before it leaves theaters. http://tinyurl.com/2bp473
April 8, 2007, 12:47 p.m. CST
by The Atomic Worm
Now that's advertising!
April 8, 2007, 12:49 p.m. CST
Loved it. Recommended.
April 8, 2007, 12:52 p.m. CST
by The Founder
I loved the concept of grindhouse. Loved the trailers, just loved everything about it except for Death Proof. Planet Terror was awesome, no complaints. Death proof was boring, but the car sequences were worth waiting thru all that PHUCKING POINTLESS TALKING.
April 8, 2007, 12:55 p.m. CST
End of story.
April 8, 2007, 1:08 p.m. CST
by The Founder
I don't know why someone mentioned that GH was beat out by Ice Cube's movie. The first one did pretty well and it was geared to kids. GH had an R rating. GH was excellant, but I knew it wasn't going to be huge, because one a lot of people I know said they had no interest and that it looks stupid or cheesy. I treid explaining the concept to them, but they didn't get. Even my 20 year old nephew who loves that type of gore and stuff said it looked dumb. I tried to get people to go, they didn't. i ended up taking my nephew, which i had to bribe him by paying his was, and after he saw it he loved. He like so many others, especially in his age group I think doesn't get the concept. The 2nd sign was that I was late to theater cause I got there early to catch the 12:30 midnight showing and the theater had pulled it. So I had to go to the 11:50 pm showing which I was there at 12:05, and missed the Machette trailer. The 3rd sign was that the theater wasn't even full. If anyone lives is South Broward county FL and know about the Muvico Paradise 24 theater that is always insanly busy then they know it doesn't bode well if the theater isn't even half full on a Saturday night. The complex itself was busy as usual but GH wasn't. I hope word of mouth saves this film, cuase more of these films should be made.
April 8, 2007, 1:08 p.m. CST
Lets not forget, in the past year he recommends: SUPERMAN RETURNS SNAKES ON A PLANE TENACIOUS D TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE PREQUEL I'm sure the Headgeek's only complaint on DEATH PROOF was that QT should have included footage of GDT beer-bonging Shiner Bock with Ron Perlman at the Chili Parlor while Peter Jackson hung Mexican movie posters while telling stories about the filming of THE FRIGHTENERS.
April 8, 2007, 1:10 p.m. CST
Why do the glowing AICN reviews/the posts defending Death Proof come off as some sort of emergency damage control campaign? The huge drop off from Friday to Sunday says it all: Grindhouse is not Death Proof proof.
April 8, 2007, 1:18 p.m. CST
Everytime I went to see this flick it was a packed house.
April 8, 2007, 1:21 p.m. CST
Planet Terror is the coolest movie made in twenty years, and even though Death Proof was a talky slow boiler, once the cars got moving it was badass as well. Basically if you didn't like this movie experience, you are a fuckface.
April 8, 2007, 1:25 p.m. CST
been there a few time sto eat my weight in food. One of the best munchies is one of the simplest - the jelapeno salso ya get as a free munchie! I got nothing 'bout the movie - seeing this coming weekend.
April 8, 2007, 1:27 p.m. CST
It came in 4th behind Are We Done Yet? this weekend. I guess people don't want to spend money on something they perceive as being intentionally bad.
April 8, 2007, 1:33 p.m. CST
by Mace Tofu
could count for the low BO $$. For a 3 hour movie having a 20 minute slow part that you could go out to the lobby and take a crap or piss, have a smoke and reload on popcorn and soda and still get back in time to see them killed and still hear the 20 minutes you missed repeated with a better group of women. Sounds good to me and why miss all the trailers just to take a piss after PT. Thanks for those potty breaks QT!
April 8, 2007, 1:37 p.m. CST
This movie ruled.....but.....stop the Halloween trailer sucked...and you know it did.
April 8, 2007, 1:44 p.m. CST
It'll make its numbers with the box office run. mark my words.
April 8, 2007, 1:55 p.m. CST
the second half of deathproof, is the first half. he seeks revenge on the first group of girls because of what the second group did to him.
April 8, 2007, 2:02 p.m. CST
Sick of hearing about Torritono (and his stupid interviews) and Rodregez, same shit everytime, if i watched kill bill again i'd rather kill myself, FUCK EM
April 8, 2007, 2:04 p.m. CST
by Neo Zeed
Americans love watching people get hit in the balls. It's time I grow up and come to terms with the rest of reality. Plus it's Easter, and it's time to babysit the kids with the movies. This probably will hurt R-rated action tho'. Another solid hit after 300 would've sealed the deal (for the Hollywood suits) that hardcore action is back.
April 8, 2007, 2:13 p.m. CST
I never thought about that possibility. Does Stuntman Mike have that scar in the second half of Death Proof? I can't remember.
April 8, 2007, 2:35 p.m. CST
4th place! That's bad.
April 8, 2007, 2:38 p.m. CST
DID he have his scar in the 2nd half of death proof?! I wonder if that really was the first half (the second half of the movie). I've gone cross eyed.
April 8, 2007, 2:40 p.m. CST
and it STILL got a fucking sequel. so take that to the bank!
April 8, 2007, 2:50 p.m. CST
I'm surpised no one, including Harry, has made any comparisons of Death Proof to Duel. The fabulosity of the last chase scene is pure Duel...madman chasing innocent people who have no clue why they're being attacked...Amazing!
April 8, 2007, 2:52 p.m. CST
by stuntman mikey
second half of the movie is 14 months later..and the final kick to SM is written by QT as a death blow... sorry to debunk all the theories..go see the flick again, his scar is there...
April 8, 2007, 2:57 p.m. CST
...but I'm going to have to throw down a correction -- "This is a thoroughly modern film for Quentin." Given the pastiche, the homage, the narrative structure, and the self-referrential nature of the film, Death Proof is thoroughly postmodern, not modern. That being said, I think I loved this movie even more than you did, Harry. I fellated the projectionist just because he touched the film.
April 8, 2007, 2:58 p.m. CST
i totally agree about the talkiness adding to the authenticity-- "well we've got 75 minutes to fill, how the fuck are we gonna do that? "just have them talk to each other for an hour" my real problem is, if quentin tarantino has such a big crush on zoe bell he should just tell her in real life and not make us suffer through what is equivalent to having to read embarassing love notes to her (or text messages, if thats apparently how it's done these days). dudicand used to make convos about nothing at all funny and riveting, not agonizing. during the rest there were totally people cheering, me, a lot of the time-- but not during that fucking diner scene, thats for sure.
April 8, 2007, 3:11 p.m. CST
by Kevin Bosch
...if you live in Broward, why in heavens were you not watching this movie at the Swap Shop Drive-In? You know how many of these AICN fuckers would kill to see this at a drive-in. Here we have a 14 screen drive-in in our county, and you don't take advantage of it. It's like living in Austin and not seeing Grindhouse at an Alamo Drafthouse. But, more to your point, I thought the Grindhouse screenings at the Swap Shop drive-in would be super packed, but I got there Saturday night around 11:30 for the 11:50 screening, and was able to find two prime spots for the 11:30 anyway. And I got the feeling that the majority of people there were the regular, cheap skate drive-in crowd, rather then those going specifically to see Grindhouse at a drive-in. Kinda sad. Hey, I'm gonna try to hit the drive-in again this week with some other friends, if you want to catch the movie again at a proper place. [PS Did you know that in the EW article that named the Alamo Drafthouse the #1 movie theater in the country, they also named the Muvico Paradise as #10. You should also try and check out the arthouse i work at, Cinema Paradiso, in downtown Fort lauderdale.]
April 8, 2007, 3:14 p.m. CST
... you wouldn't believe the inane shit i had to wade through just to make sure SOMEone (wizardofoz, zombiesolutions) brought up my major beef w DP, namely that i nearly sepuku'ed after multiple shitty big kahuna burger self-references. also - - why no love yet for the omelettrey? unlike guero's and texas chili parlor it goes unnamed, but nonetheless it is badass. - GH did not have room for 2 missing reel gags. RR wins that one. - can we just imagine for a second how fucking MORE badass DP COULD have been if some of the dialogue was just a little tighter? - to angrykirby.tk, no way dude. that last rosario drop-kick seriously fucked up snake's neck. dead. - the best part is after such a bad ass ending and that bad ass "chick habit" song comes on, you realize the cheerleader got raped and murdered.
April 8, 2007, 3:22 p.m. CST
I thought Death Proof, on its own, was a great movie. It had that feel of the Gone In 60 Seconds/The Junkman type of films I loved watching growing up. I would love to see a feature-length version of it, but for the Grindhouse 'experience,' it was -- A) way too polished (did not come off as a true B-movie at all, unlike Planet Terror - Digital FX notwithstanding), and B) way too much dialogue at the beginning with the action coming way too late. I know at the showing I saw Saturday (which was less than half full) the audience was into Planet Terror and the trailers had them rolling on the floor. They were at a high, but Death Proof came on and just sucked the energy right out of the audience. We kept waiting and waiting for something to happen and by the time it finally did I could see several people checking their watches to see how much time was left in the movie. They were wanting more action and all they got was slow methodical dialogue. As a movie on its own I don't think all that dialogue at the beginning of Death Proof was TOO bad, but to have it, for all intents and purposes in the middle of a three-hour movie event, it hurt the experience.
April 8, 2007, 3:23 p.m. CST
And the dialog is excellent. I didn't mind the dialog at all, and the chase scene was just pure adrenaline genius filmmaking. The problem with you people is that you were misled with the Grindhouse description (violence and sex exploitation with little to no story) or, you are just too impatient. Remember Jaws people!! Or perhaps you are angry that you didn't get to see the lap dance. Anyway, I loved any minute of both movies, but Death Proof was better for me because it didn't felt like a spoof, it felt like a solid movie, and also because it gave me the most exhilarating time I've had in the theaters ever!!! Definitely a thrill ride.
April 8, 2007, 3:25 p.m. CST
which Oscars did you watch this year?
April 8, 2007, 3:41 p.m. CST
the movie is called GRINDHOUSE. its a fucking exploitation movie. and this is an homage to those types of films: fun cheap time, gore, T&A, low budget, shitty plot, horrible actors acting horribly, made for an independent studio or financier. JAWS WAS PRETTY MUCH THE OPPOSITE OF THAT. Too bad DEATH PROOF also was, actually it had the latter four characteristics (shitty plot, forgettable dialogue, horrible actors acting horribly, made for an independent studio or financier) . Oops maybe the joke is on all of us and Tarantino IS making an intentionally awful film with no sense of irony.
April 8, 2007, 3:53 p.m. CST
Grindhouse films pushed the envelope and showed things mainstream films wouldn't. Such as rape, explicit sex, excessive blood, extreme language etc. In our time grindhouse would be blatant homophobia, child predators, bigamy,misuse of the handicapped, animal sex, blatant racism (like the 300. now that was some grindhouse racism), suicide etc. Car chases and zombies aint that extreme (for our time anyway) The movie still satisfied but it aint grindhouse until there is an X rating for sex and violence. Then we will have a revolution on our hands.
April 8, 2007, 4:02 p.m. CST
Listen. How many other people heard QT say "I want to make a slasher movie but with a car instead of a knife?" That's not what this film is. It's some genre-deconstruction that smells incredibly pretentious. If Death Proof played in an actual Grindhouse, people would not dig it. This is not Jackie Brown, this is Grindhouse and it's set-up as an event picture. QT decided to cop out on this one and smooch to the critics. Grindhouse, he said, would finally deliver on all of the promises that old Grindhouse posters advertised so brashly. Look at the poster for Death Proof. Does it live up to its promise? No. Does it pander to "professionals" who linger over script structure? Yes. The dialogue in Death Proof is crap. Another thing: Has Robert Rodriquez with the exception of Sin City and Spy Kids, ever made a movie that was not Grindhouse-esque? I think that began to throw people off when they thought about it. Another thing: From Dusk Til Dawn was basically these guys doing the same Grindhouse thing in one movie - Fred Williamson starring, etc. Another thing: Four Rooms. They've already "teamed" up for two movies, so the novelty of that has worn off. So add to the fact that QT doesn't deliver here and that RR just does more of his same overblown action and it's no wonder that Grindhouse will end up making $20M total - what it was supposed to open with had it delivered on its "coolest of the cool" promotions. Also, Harry, could you ever NOT LIKE a QT movie? To me, I think most geeks are growing a little bored with QT/RR's schtick. You call yourselves the coolest of the cool, but most people don't feel that way. It's a dumb title to label yourselves anyway, but by not living up to it, you're hurting your future endeavors. It's time to movie away from schlock like this, especially if you're not going to go all out, and deliver something more, yes, age-appropriate. I'd hate to see Eli Roth be knighted where QT/RR used to sit. But after viewing Thanksgiving (and God do I hate Hostel), it seems the case. The '90s heyday is over with Grindhouse. QT leaving the Weinsteins should signal that.
April 8, 2007, 4:04 p.m. CST
from watching the Grindhouse movie marathon at the Alamo Drafthouse downtown. The first two movies that were shown "The Boss" and "Revenge of the Cheerleaders" were great fun but the second set of movies "The Losers" and the other exploitation racist one I cant think of the name of were a great opportunity to get some needed sleep before the big event. Planet Terror was good fun but it is nowhere near as good as Death Proof. It probably helped that I live in Austin and recognized most of the places and we were actually in the theater it showed watching the movie. I was expecting a dialogue heavy snooze fest but I thoroughly enjoyed all the dialogue and thought it had a great ending. Death Proof should stand the test of time more than Planet Terror. http://tinyurl.com/pv8do
April 8, 2007, 4:06 p.m. CST
by Triumph poops!
Mike D, here's why HOUSE OF 1,000 CORPSES got a sequel and GRINDHOUSE won't. The basic rule of Hollywood: Money talks, bullshit walks.<p>HOUSE OF 1,000 CORPSES was made on the cheap for only $7 million, but it made $3.5 million -- half its money back -- on opening weekend alone. It went on to make $17 million, so in the end it made a cool $10 million PROFIT. That's some nice pocket change and a good return on the investment. Hollywood likey.<p>Meanwhile GRINDHOUSE cost $53 million to make, and despite having more "critic acceptable talent" involved such as Tarantino and Rodriquez it still got bad reviews, and for its opening weekend it came in 4th behind a friggin' Ice Cube movie AND it committed the most cardinal sin of all: it only made $11 million or a measly 1/5 of its money back. Hollywood NOT likey.<p>Going by traditional box office drop off, that means next weekend GRINDHOUSE will probably only make about 5-6 million, still not even bringing it to 20, which is pretty sad. So for now, the movie's clearly perceived as in the LOSS column. Yes, ultimately GRINDHOUSE will likely break even once you take into account DVD sales and such, but its already looking like this thing is going to limp along badly versus scoring big as a surprise hit like 300 turned out to be.<p>Just as bad, I sincerely doubt that GRINDHOUSE is going to pull a TITANIC where its box office starts going up based on good word of mouth. For crying out loud, just looking at the talkbacks here on AICN. We're all so-called geeks and should be loving this thing...we're the very audience this thing was made FOR...but even here a helluva lot of people DIDN'T like the movie, or at the very least thought the Tarantino half sucked royal ass. So if even the geeks are clearly split on it being good versus being a shitfest, clearly the studio isn't going to get the positive word of mouth that it wanted, no matter how many columns Harry or Moriarity blather on with makeshift excuses how its "our loss" if we didn't love it or how we must be "sick in the end" or outright "anti-woman" for supporting or liking DEATH PROOF. Truth is, this thing bombed and even Harry and Mori can't spin doctor and polish a box office turd at this point.
April 8, 2007, 4:11 p.m. CST
c'mon, you cant tell me you dont wanna see "thanksgiving" double featured with "don't"!
April 8, 2007, 4:25 p.m. CST
MrFacety's point about Death Proof being true "grindhouse is pretty spot on. There's nothing in it signifies its roots, besides the scratches and car-fetishizing. This isn't a shock film and I get that, but it is false advertising from Death Proof's standpoint. Like Nikke Finke says here, it would have been much better if they'd scaled this baby down in budget and made something truly fucked up and entertaining for the screen (as they so proudly boasted on every talk show in the world these last weeks - do NOT say they didn't). http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/grindhouse-couldnt-get-grindhouse/ Besides it not living up to its "title" (and Harry, I see your argument, but QT argued that it'd live up to a grindhouse movie's FULL potential and it did not.), this is just a bad QT movie. He's still my favorite director, but I'm not going to dress this film up and champion it when it's clearly a misguided affair. I consider all of QT's prior films about near-perfect to absolutely untoppable. This is **1/2.
April 8, 2007, 4:30 p.m. CST
Grindhouse didn't receive bad reviews. In fact, it's one of the best reviewed movies so far this year.
April 8, 2007, 4:44 p.m. CST
With inflation, that's what From Dusk Til Dawn did way back when. Fuck box office, I know, but when two of the biggest directors of our age team up for an event picture, get ready for some serious analyizing elsewhere. This is a time when most of the critics got it ass backwards. That's where trying to be overly hip will get you. Man, somebody put some inner-offer drama at the Weinstein company up. Hope QT doesn't take it too hard, but I'm sure even his favorite directors fucked up on occasion. But hey, everything Grindhouse is gravy here at AICN, right. Totally flawless. Little patriotic Grindhouse flags attached to the attennas of Harry and Moriarty's automobiles. Can we at least get a discussion of these films' flaws up? This should be a day of mourning.
April 8, 2007, 4:44 p.m. CST
by Leafy McPlantsalot
It's all subjective but WOW, Planet Terror really bored me, didn't care about anyone or anything, After the first hour just really wanted it to end. I found myself wishing they hadn't killed off michael biehn's character in Alien 3. really got my expectations lowered for Death proof then WOW, could not believe how engrossing the entire thing was. I really liked kill Bill v2 but loved Death proof. the guy can make conversations about nothing just completely engrossing. Could go on forever about everything I liked about it. just great great stuff.
April 8, 2007, 4:48 p.m. CST
by Triumph poops!
I forgot a NOT in there, which makes all the difference. In my previous post, the latter half should have read "...or how we must be "sick in the end" or outright "anti-woman" for NOT supporting or liking DEATH PROOF."<p>Which by the way, much as I usually like Mori's reviews and whatnot, is the most half-assed defense for DEATH PROOF that I've heard in ages. I mean, seriously, give me a fucking break. The idea that just because some people went to a Grindhouse film and expected to see more blood and mayhem and cheap theatrics -- right down to seeing more of the women getting it (which would be the WHOLE POINT of it being a Grindhouse film) -- but THEN turning right around and saying that those who didn't like it because it DIDN'T deliver on that Grindhouse promise are "anti woman" or some other ludicrous charges is just whacked in the head and utter bullshit excuse making. Mori's simply pulling the ol' "Let's turn the mirror on the critics" trick to divert attention from the REAL issue at hand, namely the simple fact that DEATH PROOF was weak and a less than stellar outing -- a point that CLEARLY a lot of geeks around here...as well as major entertainment and film critics...agreed on.
April 8, 2007, 4:49 p.m. CST
by I Dunno
And no I don't have ADD and no, I didn't care about the lap dance. I can watch Tarantino's dialogue from a decade ago all day. If the dialogue wasn't so mundane or if any of the characters were likeable or at least interesting it would have been fine. Between this and the dialogue in Kill Bill vol2, with the think about the little girl and her fish and the pointless and wholly inaccurate Superman rant, I think Tarantino's lost the flair for dialogue. Anyway, the rest was great.
April 8, 2007, 4:53 p.m. CST
by Triumph poops!
Riiiiiiiiiight. Tell that to the people and investors who shelled out $53 million to make it. If you think they did it for purely philanthropic purposes, you need to look up "psychiatrist" in the Yellow Pages RIGHT NOW...
April 8, 2007, 5:06 p.m. CST
When Grindhouse drops 80% next weekend from bad word of mouth and becomes one of the biggest flops in history akin to SOAP but even more embarrassing, geeks will still be coming here to say that Death Proof has "Oscar caliber" dialogue. Haha. I'm not a box office arm-rest critic, but I'm just saying: 90% of the people who saw this didn't like it. You gotta think half of the people are fans of these directors. That means something is a miss. If you want to crouch behind some insecure "We get it you don't" mantra that is so common on AICN, fine. But that's like choosing all religion and no science. A helluva lot of geeks aren't liking this as a whole. And no, we might not have lived in "the golden age" of Grindhouse cinema, but damn if we don't know good movies. I live for QT cinema. That's why I have to keep posting. I'm healthily obsessed with it. But Death Proof is not worthy of his filmography no matter how you shake it. Dive behind this AICN wall if you want.
April 8, 2007, 5:10 p.m. CST
a character (Stuntman Mike) go from tough-talkin' bad-ass to crybaby so quickly.
April 8, 2007, 5:15 p.m. CST
by Triumph poops!
You said "Grindhouse (a typo, you clearly meant HOUSE OF 1,000 CORPSES) may have made $17 million vs. it's 7.5 million budget, but thats is not a profit of 9.5 million. That is a profit of ~1 million after theater profit sharing. In fact it's a loss of probably 1-3 million since there are market costs."<p>Sorry, but now you've slit GRINDHOUSE's throat even MORE with that argument. Yes, you WOULD have to take into account other things like marketing, and in Hollywood the traditional economic model to account for that is to DOUBLE the budget and THAT'S the amount you need to make to recoup all costs -- such as making the film, striking the prints, distributing it, advertising it, etc.<p>In which case, fine, HOUSE OF 1,000 CORPSES cost $7 million to make...so it needed to make $14 million to break even. So since it made SEVENTEEN in the end (and that's theatrically, not factoring in later DVD sales) you'd still be talking a $3 million PROFIT.<p>Now let's compare that to GRINDHOUSE. Since YOU brought up the whole "ancillary costs" argument, you're actually making the financial outlook for GH even WORSE.<p>Using the same model, if GH cost $53 million to make, then doubling that figure to likewise account for production, striking the prints, distribution, advertising...in essence all the same things that we factored against HOUSE...now GH would have to make a whopping $106 million to break even.<p>And again, keep in mind we only counted the THEATRICAL residuals in the HOUSE equation, so to be completely fair we should only do that here for GH as well. Which means it would need to make $106 million in its theatrical run. That's not good news at all for GH since its opening weekend was only 11 or 12...putting it a staggering $94 million IN THE HOLE at this point in time.<p>Oh, and by the way, speaking as someone who had a very direct firsthand professional connection to WB back in the day when BATMAN was first released, let me assure you of one fact: they made SERIOUS coin off that movie in its INITIAL release and BEFORE home video, and any claims to the contrary that WB put out -- namely tta it was actually taking a loss on the film during its theatrical release -- was nothing more than WB playing the ol' Hollywood shell game with the ledger books to try and hide the money so it didn't have to pay out to its participants or even the stockholders. Hell, I even remember back in '89-90...that is, as WB was claiming it had "lost money" on BATMAN...the NY TIMES financial section doing an investigative article on just how much the movie REALLY pocketed for the corporation and how WB's claims were utter bunk and just more of Hollywood playing the ol' accounting shell game.
April 8, 2007, 5:18 p.m. CST
I'm watching as we speak. Happy Easter mate. RIP John Flynn & Bob Clark & son. Go and see This Is England.
April 8, 2007, 5:30 p.m. CST
I dont know why you people are comparing the two. Like a poster said above, "From Dusk 'Till Dawn" raked in the same amount as this. Plus its Easter weekend, who the hell wants to take they're family to see this? Wait until its done with the theatre run, it'll make some dough.
April 8, 2007, 5:32 p.m. CST
by Triumph poops!
You said: "So what if they were annoying? They got their just desserts for being fucking annoying." Sorry, but you seem to be missing the point that a lot of us are bitching about. Yes, the first set of girls were annoying and, yes, Kurt gave them their "just desserts" for being so annoying.<p>But the "annoying women" that people are really bitching about the loudest was the SECOND set of women -- TO WHOM NOTHING BAD HAPPENED AT ALL. The gripe most of us have is that the second group (Zoe and friends) were utterly annoying and they spent waaaaaaaaay too much screen time talking as part of a QT dialoque jerk fest, which seriously brought DEATH PROOF to a grinding halt and turned the larger portion of it into a true borefest.
April 8, 2007, 5:36 p.m. CST
...It was a great movie actually. It,s just that Death Proof seemed so real and gritty while Planet Terror, while gory and graphic, still had a a much more comical view on everything which, for me, makes me care less about the characters. If something serious happenes where everyone should be shocked and saddened, there shouldnt be some wise-crack that lightens the mood, ruining whatever reality you just tried to pull the audience down to. I think the dialouge in Death Proof was very well done, it was some of the characters that were cliche, and it had lots of laughs, but when it was time to get serious there wasnt any funny one liners that let that pressure up off your chest. The whole car chase with Zoe Bell on the hood had me on the edge of my seat, I was really worried for this chicks character, was she going to die or not? Everytime he rammed their car and she almost fell off, Id cringe, thinking she was done for, but she somehow hung on. She was scared, she wasnt being some macho bitch taunting him with funny shit, she was scared out of her mind and that was what scared the audience.
April 8, 2007, 5:37 p.m. CST
by I Dunno
they did have to give Nicholson their dick and balls for that movie.
April 8, 2007, 5:41 p.m. CST
by Quake II
You fuckers sat through 9 HOURS of Lord Of The Rings movies with about 2 of those hours being action and 7 dialogue and they are worshipped on this site. Death proof was 90 minutes long with some (fun) character-developing dialogue and 2 amazing action scenes and it was "boring"? Tony Scott & Michael Bay called....they want to thank you for having A.D.D. and giving them a career.
April 8, 2007, 5:46 p.m. CST
Since some of you know the movie business so much.Easy to complain but how many will actually do something about it. Whiny talkbackers. I especially like the ones who claim to know all about the movies business with all their background experience.
April 8, 2007, 5:50 p.m. CST
Now I'm not so sure that I'll enjoy it. After all his reviewing track record is well...less than good.
April 8, 2007, 5:57 p.m. CST
It's intresting: the majority of critics prefer Death Proof to Planet Terror, and fanboys the exact opposite. Why the disparity?
April 8, 2007, 6:04 p.m. CST
Let me say that again. Harry, how in the poo-perfect hell can you say this, 'and the films like HENRY: PORTRAIT OF A SERIAL KILLER' is Austin? Capone, back me up here! That film is about my town. Chicago! I love you big guy but Death Proof is a massive disappointment. I was ready to put Grindhouse in my top ten favorite films of all time, but it's not getting in there. Planet Terror was good, Machete was good, and (I can't believe I'm fucking saying this) Eli Roth's Thanksgiving trailer was the money shot of Grindhouse. But seriously, with Death Proof QT stopped making movies for film geeks that are also average everyday slaves out there that live in cubicles each day of the week to making movies for film geeks that also make movies or are in the industry like you Harold (and you Drew). Please point out to me now why I am wrong (including all of you TB'er's) that I was 'underwhelmed' by Death Proof. Before I sign off let me add a 'disclaimer': as much as I was disappointed and saddened that this film just didn't do it for me (as much as I desperately wanted it to) Death Proof is still better than 90% of the films that will get released this year. That said, bottom line; QT could have done better, but he just has set the bar so damn high for hisself (sic) and if Death Proof was a truly good film Harold, those of us that don't have the benefit of living in Austin (and I have no doubt your city kicks ass) we should not be subjected to your condescending wrath that it's 'our loss' that we didn't like it but rather that 'it doesn't appeal to all tastes'. I feel that would have been a more appropriate way to respond to your loyal community of TB'ers.
April 8, 2007, 6:06 p.m. CST
Wasn't Harry supposed to avoid reviewing any Robert Rodriguez films because of their close "relationship"
April 8, 2007, 6:06 p.m. CST
Been reading about this movie for almost 2 years it seems, only to have it come out and probably leave theatres in about 2 more weeks! what a shame!
April 8, 2007, 6:08 p.m. CST
by I Dunno
I thought I already headed that off. Like I said, there could have been twice as much dialog if any of it was interesting, delivered by interesting characters.
April 8, 2007, 6:14 p.m. CST
by mr. brownstone
to blow the barriers of modern mainstream cinema clean off and usher in a new era of experimentation, imagination and boundary pushing. This could have been the movie to legitimize NC-17 and open the flood gates of free cinema. instead they made a couple of half decent (literally) nostalgia pieces (I really got off on seeing all the old 'Coming Soon' and 'restricted' banners from my youth).. they are watchable and enjoyable but we expect watchable and enjoyable from two skilled, populist movie makers. they blew it. the modern multiplex mainstream is more grindhouse than their quaint homage. And to those who think that car chase at the end is one of the "best ever"... maybe for an episode of the A-Team. Seriously... I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. That being said... Machete and Don't were immaculate perfection.
April 8, 2007, 6:22 p.m. CST
This was just posted on CNN.com and imdb.com news: "Grindhouse" actually came in FOURTH at the box office over the weekend, behind (get this!) "Blade of Glory," "Meet the Robinsons" and "Are We Done Yet?" Just to be clear: I've actually yet to see ANY of these, so I can't fairly say if any of them did or didn't deserve to do as well as they did (ironically, I wouldn't have gone to "Grindhouse" this weekend anyway because I anticipated that the theaters would be packed! Actually, in my case they may have been - supposedly the film's doing very well on "the coasts," one of which I live on. It's Middle America which apparently wasn't interested). Well, like most people, I predicted that "Grindhouse" would not just EASILY take #1 this weekend but also do considerably well - glad I didn't invest any actual money in this thing or place a wager on the outcome. THEORIES, PLEASE, PEOPLE. Well, one which was suggested - and this is quite plausable - is that since "Grindhouse" is a total of three hours long, that does automatically cut into the money it has the potential to make. Since the two family films which beat it are only roughly twice as long, they theorectially have the potential to seat twice as many people and make twice the money. So, no, this was definitely not a level playing field. Also - from the get-go I had questioned whether EASTER WEEKEND was truly the best time for a movie like this - not because it's a time of religious celebration necessarily (although there MAY be something to that... uh, the "Middle America" thing... ?) but only because this is a time that people tend to dedicate to being with their families. Why didn't they save "Grindhouse" for the SUMMER? I mean, sure, there's more competition, but this is a movie that's not just both escapist AND "different" at the same time but isn't a sequel or (direct) remake of any kind, and in the past ten-or-fifteen years of course name-recognition properties have come to dominate summer movies (this is not by any means to suggest that ALL such movies are not good - I'm counting the seconds to "Spider-Man 3" myself). I suppose the thinking was that "Grindhouse" wouldn't be dealing with as much, or applicable, competition now. Little did they know, apparently. I guess you shouldn't underestimate Will Farell! Could "Grindhouse" have also suffered from just plain ol' over-hype?? So... I plan to see the movie this week, and I always try to just enjoy a movie without regards to who else did or didn't see it. Still... as I think this comes as a really big shock... So DOES anyone out there - who did OR didn't see the movie - have any other theories why this transpired? (No spoilers without warnings, please - as I said, I'm going to see it probably this week)
April 8, 2007, 6:24 p.m. CST
by Quake II
was the closest thing to actual "Grindhouse" cinema in years. Shocking, mean and everyone dies. I do wish that Death Proof had taken place in the 70's though. The modern cars during the chase scenes looked awkward.....But I still dug it and cannot wait for the dvd. A LOT of footage was cut out.
April 8, 2007, 6:26 p.m. CST
Seriously, that's a great point. I've had GH on my calendar for years now, just like any QT movie and to a lesser extent RR movie. And in the end, I feel pretty ripped off. Not only b/c I didn't like Death Proof, but b/c I feel QT deliberately told the audience - the same audience he's been jerking off on TV and in mags and what not for months - to fuck off and that he's doing a genre-deconstruction. His is not the definitive grindhouse movie he set it up to be. So when people are saying WTF was that? like in my theatre, it's not the same as when people said "there's too much talking in Kill Bill vol. 2". I understand their frustration. I don't understand why QT would choose to sideswipe his audience with a half-baked film. It's not the girls (it's the actresses and characters). It's not the lack of blood (it's the lack of purpose). It's not too much chit-chat (it's that the chit-chat is cliche, badly written, badly executed, pointless, and been done way better in Reservoir Dogs). QT did not deliver what he said he so typically enthusiastically would. That is the final point.
April 8, 2007, 6:30 p.m. CST
by Quake II
I cannot wait until the weekend after Spider-Man 3 comes out when everyone starts complaining about what a letdown is was and bad the f/x looked and how Venom wasn't in it enough etc....People love to complain. It's human nature. I actually think FF 4 part II is going to be more fun than Spider-Man 3. I know, it's a crazy call but just wait and see. I've seen what Raimi can do with Spider-Man and it's "ok" at best. Bring on the Silver Surfer!!!!!
April 8, 2007, 6:33 p.m. CST
by I Dunno
I think that sums it up.
April 8, 2007, 6:33 p.m. CST
by georges garvaren
Grindhouse is supposed to be loved by few, unappreciated by many. I hope this is the case for this 'Grindhouse'. Its not like it wont make its money back, so don't nobody start any of that shit. Or do. It might be fun.
April 8, 2007, 6:34 p.m. CST
Whatever. Fellowship of the Ring had lots of slow-paced character development, so did JFK, so did a lot of other movies that I like. The difference is, in those movies, the dialogue tells you something about the characters, sets up the story...something. My friend I just looked at one another and guffawed about halfway through. We couldn't believe it was happening. You don't have to have ADD to be bored by two average actions sequences stitched together by an endless stream of predictable "tough gal" talk. Yeah, Zoe Bell is cute an unique. I'll give you that. She is about the only thing good about Death Proof. And for every thing Zoe Bell said that was cute or funny, Tracie Thoms had to say "fuck" at least nine times in her embarrassingly hackneyed, stale, trite "sassy black woman" cliche. I kept waiting for her to screech, "You go, girl" and snap her fingers in the shape of a Z. Death Proof sucked, period. For Pete's sake of you don't believe me go pop Reservoir Dogs into the DVD player.
April 8, 2007, 6:39 p.m. CST
I've written a slasher about a car three years ago called ONEWAY. You got some front money, then post your email and I'll send it to you. It was displayed on Triggerstreet and dot great reviews. If not please apply penis to thy throat.
April 8, 2007, 6:40 p.m. CST
The first one ABSOLUTELY ROCKED. It was amazing (no pun intented) how Raimi not only made a great film but so truly captured the real, honest-to-goodness Spider-Man from the comics that we had been waiting to see on the big screen forever. I liked the second one a BIT less - the pacing got a bit uneven toward the middle, plus Doc Ock, though a good villian, wasn't as good as Green Goblin - but it STILL ROCKED. Raimi hasn't put a bad foot forward in the series yet, so I have no reason to believe that this coming film will break the streak. However, I DO grant you this: 1) I'm also looking forward to "FF: Rise of the Silver Surfer" (and I liked the first one in THAT series as well, regardless of how many other Talkbackers have insisted on tearing it to pieces since it first came out; and 2) on that VERY subject... yes, people, indeed, do LOVE to complain, it seems.
April 8, 2007, 6:54 p.m. CST
The apologists here are in a frenzy, with personal insults flying against anyone who didn't bow down before the chatfest that is DP. As many have said already, if the dialogue was interesting and the characters and/or story developed through it, there would be no complaints. It was endless, pointless, boring and most people recognized it for the filler that it was. If it was his intention to recreate the kind of ultra-low budget crapfest that couldn't afford more than a couple of minutes of action and was otherwise packed with bad dialogue and boring characters, then mission accomplished. Other movies have had lots of talking and managed not to be deathly dull. <p> So to all those who will defend this no matter what, defend it on its merits and not by personal attacks on those who are criticizing it on its demerits. I didn't hate DP because of the people who liked it, that would be stupid and childish.
April 8, 2007, 7:12 p.m. CST
Writing a script is hard work. I tried to locate it. Just wanted to read it. Any other place it might be?
April 8, 2007, 7:20 p.m. CST
by mr. brownstone
people who are judging this film based on it's box office performance are pathetic.... as usual. Especially a film like this that is rife with things to snipe at and you're ragging on the take? really?
April 8, 2007, 7:32 p.m. CST
by Triumph poops!
In terms of "why" GH had such a poor showing and asking for theories, you tossed out the old fallback defense that it was a 3 hour movie compared to something like BLADES OF GLORY (which did win the weekend) that's only 90 minutes, thus it could get more showings in and make more money.<p>The problem with that argument is the PER SCREEN box office. Will Farrell pulled in $23 million on 3,400 screens for an average theater take of $6,800...meanwhile GH was in 2,600 theaters and only managed $4,400 a theater. That's a sizable difference. The bottom line is that despite GH being a 3 hour movie, it still comes down to those who would want to see it so bad that they'd fill those 2,600 theaters and max out the per screen box office. But that didn't happen.<p>Speaking for myself, my theater on Saturday evening was only about ONE THIRD full at best, which made me and the friend that I was with look at each other and say "Hmm, not looking good here."<p>Also, you mentioned that maybe the fact that it was Easter weekend hurt it. Well, that can be argued either way. On the one hand, there will be those who'll say the movie DIDN'T perform well BECAUSE it was Easter weekend. But on the flip side, you could just as easily argue that it SHOULD have done well because it WAS Easter weekend, when kids and familys and geekoids were home, and that aside from sitting down for Easter dinner, they'd want to get out and "do something" like see a movie.<p>And let's be honest: clearly that's why the studio booked the release date for this weekend. They thought the holiday would work in their favor and that teens who were home from school or whatnot would flood out to see this thing. I mean, let's be honest -- it's not like the studio said "Hey, what the best weekend we can choose for KILLING this thing? I know! Let's go with Easter!"
April 8, 2007, 7:37 p.m. CST
Is going to bookend Grindhouse when I buy it on DVD - or VHS if I can. I doubt they will ever re-release the Nail-Gun Massacre on DVD. What a shame.
April 8, 2007, 7:38 p.m. CST
by Quake II
My issues with the Spidey films are mostly the casting (and a few very poor f/x shots). I just don't like Tobey McCrier and Kisten Dunst. Mary Jane is supposed to be a 6' tall HOT redhead with sexuality oozing from her pores! Dunst? Ugh. And McGuire is so whiny and angst-ridden that I want the villians to just kill him and relieve him of his pain. Peter Parker is conflicted in the comics, but he's not a social retard like he is in the films. And to the above poster...Lord Of The Rings had HOURS of dialogue and not all of it was necessary. Death proof had MINUTES of dialogue and most of it was necessary to get you to care about the characters. I think the issue here is that the Grindhouse films were mismatched as a double feature, but both fun as individual movies.
April 8, 2007, 7:52 p.m. CST
Mr. Brownstone, nobody on here is talking shit about the movie directly b/c it flopped. We're saying that this is the type of film that should open big due to how long geeks have waited for it and expressed their desire to see it. The huge drop-off from the already troubled Friday opening this weekend signifies that word of mouth on this movie is horrible. This isn't a case where people don't get it. It's a case of not getting what we were originally told it was and that sentiment traveling fast as lightning. For all of the people saying that 11MIL Opening and 20M Total is not a flop or was expected, you're fucking nuts. EVEN HARVEY WEINSTEIN IS SAYING IT'S A FLOP and those guys will SPIN ANYTHING. Read here: http://www.cnn.com/2007/SHOWBIZ/Movies/04/08/boxoffice.ap/index.html
April 8, 2007, 7:59 p.m. CST
Where the casting is concerned, we'll have to agree to disagree, as I've always felt is was quite solid. I've always thought that Maguire as Peter Parker, for the most part, just "works," both in terms of his looks and how he played the role. As for Dunst, let's go over the checklist: 6'1? No. Redhead? Negative. "Sex oozing from her pores?" Here's where you and I differ because I do think she IS pretty hot. Also, bear in mind: in the films they altered the character slightly... in the comics she's first a model THAN an actress, whereas in the films she's mainly an actress. That's something else purists might take issue with, but that hasn't bothered me thus far. But my point is she really didn't have to be the exactly "kind" of hot that she is in the comics. Although to be fair, I always believed that only a NATURAL redhead would have been able to do the part justice, at least as far as physical type goes. So... if Dunst does NOT choose to return for the forth Spider-Man movie (yes, it's already tentatively being planned) I assess that the role of Mary Jane Watson should be taken over by... LINDSAY LOHAN. Now, I know with THAT one, I've just opened another Pardora's Box - fire away people! (although wasn't this supposed to be a Talkback for "Grindhouse?" :) ) Finally, Quake II, I need to correct you on something which I feel is not as much purely a matter of opinion. You posted: "Peter Parker is conflicted in the comics, but he's not a social retard like he is in the films." Well, you definitely got the "conflicted" part right; however, read the very early issues of the Spider-Man comics (on which much of the first film was loosely based) and you'll find that the Peter Parker character was indeed, very much, a "social retard" as you put it (btw as you probably know, the entire run of "Amazing Spider-Man" up to last year is available on DVD-Rom; so you can see for yourself what I mean)
April 8, 2007, 8:04 p.m. CST
Clearly the concensus so far is that PLANET TERROR is the more "GRINDHOUSE" of the two features. Quentin Tarantino messed up his half of the double-feature with something called "holding back"... and this is strange indeed. No I am not talking about gore, I am talking about intensity. Where was the intensity in the 35 plus minutes of self-aware dialogue between the two sets of women? Where was the suspense? And where the hell was the nudity? While PLANET TERROR is a GRINDHOUSE flick, something like INSEMENOID, mixed with ALIEN CONTAMINATION and DAWN OF THE DEAD, DEATH PROOF only comes alive when Kurt Russell is onscreen or driving his car stalking women. Kurt does a good job with his character, especially the big twist towards the end -- but the screenplay should have really let him loose. Furthermore, I think Quentin is killing his career slowly (ala M. Night Shyamalan) by consistently sabotaging his own directiorial efforts with his own screenplays. Specifically his own dialogue. It's not funny, it's not hip and it's not genuine. I don't give two shits about the "fuck buddies" of these women. What does that have to do with plot? Character development? Show it pal - show it in what they do, not what they say. Even worse, his random cameos are really bad. His scene in PLANET TERROR is ridiculous. You just know he was asking Rodriguez for some screen time so his "thespian" self could emerge and it is so pointless, so shallow and idiotic, it not only solidifies the idea that this is a man who was a deviant-type and couldn't get laid before he started making movies, but part of him still wants to go back to being that deviant-type and have his revenge on the women he tried to lay as an onscreen fantasy. Either Quentin knows this and it is intentional (which really makes him a weirdo) or he is even more geek-retarded than I thought and has no idea of how God-awful his screen presence is. That said PLANET TERROR was great stuff and should have been positioned as the climax feature not the first one. While Kurt, the car chases and Zoe Bell's stuntwork were high points of DEATH PROOF, Quentin's editing and dialogue, along with not enough intensity hurt the feature. Just think if the whole 90 minutes of DEATH PROOF were as intense as PLANET TERROR was action-packed? Movie would have been killer. In short, have someone else write your movies, Quentin, and for the love of God, stay behind the camera at all times!!!
April 8, 2007, 8:11 p.m. CST
<p>Would he care to try and explain this opening?</p>
April 8, 2007, 8:11 p.m. CST
by Triumph poops!
I mean, come on, let's get real. I was certainly not the biggest fan of the LOTR films like some who went completely overboard for them (frankly, I DID post at the time that I thought FOTR was terminally slow -- Hell, I actually fell asleep TWICE during it -- while on the flip side I thought ROTK kicked ass and completely captivated me). That said, even I can appreciate that LOTR was (1) PURPOSEFULLY long because Peter Jackson was adapting not one, but THREE huge ass literary works, which fans wanted to see brought to life almost page for page, not to mention (2) LOTR -- as both literary works and as movies -- was specifically structured TO BE a sweeping epic. So an integral part of its construction WAS taking time to slowly ee characters to develop from simple Hobbit farmers into battle hardened warriors.<p>On the flip side, give me a fucking break when it comes to DEATH PROOF. After 90 minutes, here's the character arc for Kurt Russell: I try to kill people on the road...and then I try to kill people on the road. And likewise after 90 minutes, here's the character arc for Set of Girls #1: We're annoying, whining, self-centered, egotistical bitches...and after long, boring, heavy dialogue scenes we're STILL annoying, whining, self-centered, egotistical bitches. Who are only topped by that amazing plot driven character arc for Set of Girls #2 which was: We're ALSO a bunch of annoying, whining, self-centered, egotistical bitches...and after a bunch of overly long, boring, heavy handed dialogue scenes we'll STILL be a bunch of annoying, whining, self-centered, egotistical bitches. Boy, what dramatic development! Such reach! Such screenriting genius and insight into the human psyche and characterization! Boy, THOSE arcs were worth 90 minutes of onscreen blathering that went NOWHERE.<p>Look, were the action scenes in DP done well? Sure. In fact, I'd say the first half of DP -- up to where Kurt is in the hospital -- was basically fine. I would have accepted the annyoing women gabfest up to THAT point if it then turned out that one of them survived and THEN it turned into a true Grindhouse era revenge film with her gathering together some friends to stalk and pay back Kurt. But what I...and clearly many, many others around here are arguing...is that the whole introduction of Set of Girls #2 and being forced to listen to THEIR continual whining, having to go through the blathering all over AGAIN... all of which went NOWHERE and essentially added NOTHING except to waste screen time... was a BIG miscalcuation on QT's part, not to mention the dialoque was fucking flat as hell and overly self-indulgent on QT's part. Those saying it was "real" must live in a parallel universe from those of us that DO live in the real world. I mean, give me a break -- just because you have (1) a strong black woman and (2) she says "Fuck" every other word does NOT make her a "real" character. Hell, my ex-girlfriend WAS black, and let me tell you had I taken her to this movie I KNOW she'd have had a shit fit over the stereotypical Hollywood concept that a "strong black woman" is someone who shakes her hips and who raises and points her index finger to punctuate every other sentence with "Fuck" and "Bitch." To be honest, if I was a modern Black woman, I'd have found the character almost downright insulting. What, we're supposed to buy that she's a professional Hollywood person herself BUT she can't be literate and composed and well-spoken like the other women in the car? Instead she's gotta talk like she just came off a bad episode of THE JEFFERSONS? Talk about a cheap characterization cop out.<p>In the end, here's the bottom line: when LOTR came out, each of the movies received critical praise at 4 star levels AND were nominated for Oscars, with ROTK actually winning...what, like 12? Do you ACTUALLY think GH or DP was at the level of filmmaking that LOTR was? They're not even in the same league, regardless of the respective genres they're paying homage to.<p>Oh, and lastly, the whole "You guys who didn't like it must have ADD" argument is so ridiculous, so ass-kissingly apologetic towards Tarantino in an effort to try and excuse simply piss poor screenwriting that's its lame and no one's buying it. In fact, it's why everyone's being so vocal and standing their ground over it. We don't have ADD, but one thing is for sure -- DEATH PROOF was the cure for insomnia.
April 8, 2007, 8:12 p.m. CST
Yeah Snake711, but can you imagine how many people would have walked out if Death Proof was first? I felt embarrassed for QT when I was watching DP up there. Other TBers have mentioned the "squirming and groaning" of the audience during DP and that's totally what happened during the diner scene in DP. Also, good point: QT needs to stay behind the cameras. Being in both of these movies was fucking ridiculous. It's like a dog with a new toy, except the toy is really old and the dog is pushing 50. I don't know, I hope QT doesn't self destruct over this but I can't see him taking it well. The comparison to M.Knight might be a little more relevant than we want to admit. I think most people are sick of seeing him in his movies. I'm so glad he didn't play Pai Mei.
April 8, 2007, 8:19 p.m. CST
How appropriate it was to have the Alamo Drafthouse put on celluloid for those in Austin to remember the best location years from now. It's too bad the girls couldn't have stopped inside for further images to put into the Grindhouse time capsule.
April 8, 2007, 8:22 p.m. CST
Well said TRIUMPH ... the black character (Terrie Thomas?) who drives the car is another one of Quentin's ever-racist black folk he continually populates the screen with. Every other word out of her mouth is "bitch", fuck" or "nigger". I am not saying people don't talk like this - but if I was black I'd be pretty offended at the lack of anything besides bullshit her character provides to the story.
April 8, 2007, 8:31 p.m. CST
shut the hell up you fucking cuntsumers. if you don't appreciate the dialogue scenes in Deathproof, then you are not an idiot, you are just not a creative person. this movie was made for creative people to appreciate. and... telling us what some dumbshit 1st year editor would do to QTs movie... wow... i just don't know what to say to that. it's like hearing a beauty pagent contestant say she wants to work for world peace. it's almost pointless to talk about. except that it's also insulting. QT has made a piece of amazing art and leave it to dumbshits to complain that it's too talky. saying the dialogue is boring doesn't say anything about the movie, but it says a fuck a lot about you.
April 8, 2007, 8:31 p.m. CST
I can't believe all the morons opining that DEATH PROOF is what is killing Grindhouse, when it's PLANET TERROR that most of them encounter first. PLANET TERROR gave them shitty editing, performances read off cue cards, cheap slime gross outs, and mutilation of a beautiful woman (and yes, that's a turn off to most). But you all are jumping up and down, not able to imagine why the general public might not dig a movie that perfectly replicates SHITTINESS. What dungeon dwelling, mold infested, light deprived basements do you live in, that you can't see it for what it is, a bad bad movie? I don't say DEATH PROOF is perfect, but at least it doesn't set a tone of pure shit right out of the starting gate.
April 8, 2007, 8:34 p.m. CST
by I Dunno
April 8, 2007, 8:36 p.m. CST
Hey, dumbshits! did you forget there were two black girls in the second half of Deathproof?! or, are you really the racists, since you don't count the non-fuckyoueveryotherword black girl as black? fucking excuse to fucking piss on a movie. shut the fuck up. IF you were a black woman you'd be insulted! Shut the fuck up already. 2 black girls beat the shit out of the impotent bully white guy... did you even watch this movie?!
April 8, 2007, 8:42 p.m. CST
PLANET TERROR is a GRINDHOUSE movie -- it's supposed to look, sound and appear bad, that's the point. It's completely over-the-top every moment of the movie for a reason. Not only is this amusing to those of us who understand both satire and parody it is also nostalgic. As you say..." shitty editing, performances read off cue cards, cheap slime gross outs, and mutilation of a beautiful woman" -- this is a GRINDHOUSE movie and what's your point?! Rose McGowan loses her leg in PLANET TERROR, but the mutilation aspect is not lingered on and it becomes a form of self-empowerment for her character later on in the story as ridiculous as it is. 5 women get brutally mutilated and murdered in DEATH PROOF. None of them live. Look closer to what your comments really mean rather than blather on about what you think they should.
April 8, 2007, 8:46 p.m. CST
Look at what you wrote...this shows your anger at not being able to articulate yourself well. Pretty childish. QT writes racist characters, black, white, asian -- he's into that stuff and who knows why.
April 8, 2007, 8:50 p.m. CST
I don't think Death Proof should become a racial issue. This is something QT has chosen to do with his black characters in the past, so I didn't expect it to change (though, that would be fine by me) here in an ode to EXPLOITATION movies. Admittedly, the Jungle character is simply grating, but it's not the black stereotype that is the reason. It's that the second batch of female character are VAPID. And Zoe Bell can't act for shite, seriously, the gal was so self conscious it was like picking someone out of the crowd to be in the movie (except that person can do stunts). Don't make this a racial issue people. Save that for arguments over QT's character preferences in general. Argue that the characters in DP are 100% vapid and barely-sketched creations. Definitely QT's worst and most thin characters ever.
April 8, 2007, 8:50 p.m. CST
If your opinion differs from mine then.......that's completely normal. Oh yeah, the trailers, collectively, were good. However, if you plan on seeing any of these films alone........DON'T!!!
April 8, 2007, 8:54 p.m. CST
From IMDB: Rosairo Dawson is of Puerto Rican, Cuban, African American, Irish and Native American descent. Moreover, does anyone ever notice that this chick plays the same character in every fucking movie? She's mellowed after her debut in kids. And she's a terrible actress, her best roles being Kids and Clerks 2.
April 8, 2007, 8:55 p.m. CST
Literally, for me. The dialogue was so FAKE and TEDIOUS that I could not stand it. I walked out, preferring to leave on the high note that was PLANET TERROR and the trailers. <p> After reading some of the positive reviews on here, I tried again yesterday, theater-hopping in at the halfway mark (when DP starts), and again, I just couldn't stand it. Listen, I work in fucking strip clubs, and I KNOW how women talk, alright? I don't have ADD, and I'm not out of touch. Hearing quentin's empty, pointless and painfully inauthentic dialogue coming out of those actresses' mouths for ten, fifteen minutes at a time? That's unwatchable. <p> Anyone who says otherwise is merely attempting damage control.
April 8, 2007, 9:07 p.m. CST
by Triumph poops!
You said: "People who are judging this film based on it's box office performance are pathetic as usual. Especially a film like this that is rife with things to snipe at and you're ragging on the take?"<p>The reason the box office talk is somewhat interesting is because of a solid point that someone mentioned along the way here. A lot of geeks and action movie fans really wanted GRINDHOUSE to do a helluva lot better simply to ram home the point to all the studios that hardcore, R rated action flicks could become a renewed staple of moviemaking again. As someone noted, IF this had knocked it out of the park and scored big, coming on the heels of the success of "300", that argument would have held some water.<p>The wacky thing now is "what" studio heads are left thinking. On the one hand, a hard R action film that was a period piece and which centered on ancient history (which you might have thought would ensure its death at the box office) succeeded... meanwhile a hard R action movie that centered on zombies and car stunts bombed. Similarly, the action film directed by essentially the no-name guy did great... meanwhile the movie directed by two established action directors, one of whom was a geek/media darling (Tarantino) bombed.<p>So right about now the suits in Hollywood are sitting at their desks nursing a drink and thinking "Fuck me. William Goldman was right yet again. No one knows anything."
April 8, 2007, 9:08 p.m. CST
About your first year editor remarks...I am almost a 20 year editor now, having started editing movies on VHS in 1989 and wrote and directed/edited over 6 features since then, with a 7th in HD-production now.
April 8, 2007, 9:10 p.m. CST
by mr. brownstone
I really dug the first half of it. a lot. it looks great. the music was sweet. there was a lot going on within the dialogue and the slow methodical introduction of Stuntman Mike intertwining in a deceptively casual way with the girls he intends to kill is nicely done and strings you along slowly but really effectively. I coulda done without the movie posters on the wall in the bar and that a girl wearing a t-shirt that says "bad ass cinema" on it. that is not bad ass or cool, it's self congratulatory and lame. but I really loved the build and the idea of really getting to know these girls and their killer before they all merge in a twisted heap of steaming wreckage. after the hospital I tried very hard to get on board but it was an uphill climb. by the time the self obsessed black chick and zoe bell were arguing about strapping her to the hood of the car it had lost me, and judging by the audible sighing and sarcastic cat calls, most of the rest of the audience. I think the audience was more or less with it to that point, but he stratched the rubber band too thin and it snapped. after all that endless going in circless stalling we get a half baked car chase no more daring or exciting than a run of the mill TJ Hooker episode. And suddenly stunt man Mike is actually a pretty nice guy who just wants to give the girls a good scare. Despite this and that nobody was actually hurt by his lovable antics they shoot him, hunt him down and then cheerfully beat him to death. hmmm. thats odd considering all they had to do to get rid of him in the first place was slow down and pull over, something they mysteriously refused to do. i did like Mike in his car with the bottle of wild turkey, that was good stuff. And I did enjoy watching Stuntman Mike get his, just would have been more enjoyable and effective if there had been some kind of context for why the girls did it, other than that they suddenly turn into violent sociopaths. the whole thing as a whole was just ill conceived and half baked. And since it seems necessary to specify on this particular talkback I do not have ADD. STALKER, for example, is one of my favorites and one of the slowest, longest films ever made.
April 8, 2007, 9:13 p.m. CST
I'm ignorant because I called Rosario Dawson black? Um... she's pretty obviously black. She's other races too. That doesn't make her not black. That makes her alot of other races too.
April 8, 2007, 9:16 p.m. CST
Did you make the 1st year editor remark above?
April 8, 2007, 9:17 p.m. CST
by mr. brownstone
it was a preemptive strike.
April 8, 2007, 9:18 p.m. CST
Seriously, unless you have it out for one of those QT films due to personal reasons, Death Proof comes in last. If you are honest, it comes in last with quite a lot distance between this and his "least successful" work. This is QT's Rocky 5. It just didn't work.
April 8, 2007, 9:19 p.m. CST
anthonphd you made the remark and I rectified it. "...telling us what some dumbshit 1st year editor would do to QTs movie... wow... i just don't know what to say to that. it's like hearing a beauty pagent contestant say she wants to work for world peace. it's almost pointless to talk about."
April 8, 2007, 9:20 p.m. CST
by mr. brownstone
Planet Terror, Death Proof and then Death Proof 2 the inferior, watered down sequel.
April 8, 2007, 9:25 p.m. CST
The dialogue in Deathproof was probably the best dialogue I've heard in a QT movie and some of the best I've heard in any movie. I'm stunned that it's found in Deathproof, because I expected 1 dimensional everything considering the plot is 1 dimensional. Instead, I found the entire film an amazing piece of work on everysingle front. I wish I could say I am bewildered hearing people call it boring or pointless. I am offended by it. Deathproof is amazing and hearing talk like this is like being at a comedy club listening to Richard Pryer while enduring hecklers. It's like Harry said above, it's too bad for people who can't appreciate this movie. I am not offended by someone who can't appreciate it. But I am offended hearing people shit on it. It is NOT shit. Not even close to shit. It doesn't deserve to be talked about like that. There's plenty of reasons I can think of that someone would talk shit about this movie and all of them point to the person being an asshole. There, was that clear enough for you.
April 8, 2007, 9:27 p.m. CST
by Mr. Nice Gaius
"Listen, I work in fucking strip clubs, and I KNOW how women talk, alright?"<P>Somebody else please make fun of that statement. I'm laughing too hard.
April 8, 2007, 9:30 p.m. CST
by mr. brownstone
listen buddy. I appreciate it. I just don't like some of it. there's a difference. you know, shades of gray and all that. it's funny even the photography in the second half of Death looks flatter and less interesting. Could it be that is actually what he was going for. I know he's crazy enough to try it. nah.
April 8, 2007, 9:31 p.m. CST
I don't have a phd, but I do have ADHD. The phd is just a funny joke from years ago when anton was taken for a user name. I do have ADHD. It's a pain in the ass some times. But I like the benifit of never having been able to let myself turn into a drone. Only being able to keep focused on creative and passionate work has led me to having had an amazing and fulfilling life. Yes, talkback conversations would seem to indicate that my life must not be that amazing, but I am a bit exhausted with this game programming work I'm doing on this Elvira game and talkbacks are a great way to turn off my brain for a bit.
April 8, 2007, 9:31 p.m. CST
Hey Harry, be sure to endorse Obama in '08.
April 8, 2007, 9:32 p.m. CST
Aside from the point that you must be using a thesaurus and a really good dictionary there to write your last post -- who said I called "DEATH PROOF" shit? I said it wasn't a good example of a GRINDHOUSE movie that it could have been a lot more intense and exciting and that he wasted too much time on dialogue. When you put it next to PLANET TERROR it becomes obvious that one director made a movie that was true to form and QT went off and did his own thing. Do I like it? Not really. Is it total shit. No, flawed and excessive in the wrong places. But in the end why would a million opinions sway your own? That's a real intersting question for yourself.
April 8, 2007, 9:32 p.m. CST
seriously thanks for invalidating my opinion on your own "experience around women." you must hang around with a lot of annoying women who talk about uninteresting things in the least captivating way and give off the vibe of really bad acting. i don't care if these women seemed "real" to you or not, that was hardly my statement. what is relevant is that second set of women were bad actors and guess what... they acted poorly. i couldn't believe a second of that freaking jules impersonator that drove the car around. i was truly hoping that she was going to pull out a wallet that said "bad ass muthafucka" just to really put the cherry on top. just bad and unbelievable shit. moreover though, my point WAS a speculation on Tarantino's subvervsive point: that Tarantino realized that this was a "grindhouse" movie and cast it with appropriately bad actors.
April 8, 2007, 9:33 p.m. CST
by mr. brownstone
have you caught your breath yet? are you ready to take him down?
April 8, 2007, 9:41 p.m. CST
by Orbots Commander
It's like taking the family to go see SAW on Christmas Eve. It just isn't done. The quality of the movie aside, this year all the Christians including Catholics and all Eastern Orthodox (Russian, Greek, etc.) celebrated Easter at the same time. For those not in the know, this happens, due to variances of religious calendars, once every four years. As a result, many, many people were busy with mass on both Friday and Saturday evenings and family members visiting, big family dinners, etc. I think the release was bad timing on the Weinstein's part.
April 8, 2007, 9:41 p.m. CST
by Mr. Nice Gaius
***gasp*** Well...uh...you know... ***gasp*** HA, HA, HA, HA, HA !!!!!!!!!!
April 8, 2007, 9:43 p.m. CST
by Triumph poops!
Comic, you have to cut that shit out. I was taking a drink when I read your DON'T post and it caught me at just the right moment to make me laugh and spit a bit onto my screen. Good job on that one.<p>SnakePlissken, thanks for agreeing with me on the racial stereotyping of the girl. It just really bugged me, and combined with her piss poor delivery it basically pulled me out of the movie to be honest. However, I can ALMOST buy the DohDoh's argument that since this IS supposed to be a mock exploitation flick, the characters SHOULD be played at their most exploitive level.<p>On the other hand, DohDoh, where that falls apart is the whole argument that DEATH PROOF supporters are likewise putting forth, namely that QT was "deconstructing" the Exploitation film and all that other psycho-babble to try and cover what was simply a bad script job. Because if QT really WAS trying to deconstruct the genre and Grindhouse films, gee, I guess he shouldn't have made the Black character the typical finger wagging, "Fuck" and "Bitch" swearing street girl we've all grown tired of seeing. Yes, I am white and male, but I really do have to believe that Blacks are tired of perpetually seeing themselves portrayed the same way over and over again -- and I would have to believe (as I said earlier) that would particularly hold true for REAL intelligent Black women out there. You know, like the kind who REALLY DO exist in today's 21st century world. As I noted before as well, the character is SUPPOSED to be a fellow Hollywood professional, so why can't she talk and act as literate as any of the others? Why does the Black woman HAVE to be the overly standard ghetto girl?<p>In fact, here's another problem I would have with your argument, DohDoh. Its not like QT was setting the film BACK in the Sixties to capitalize on how she acted or spoke. Bottom line, I just felt that she was portrayed as such the stereotype that it was lame. Then again, part of that could be attributed to the fact that -- Kurt Russell aside, who was great -- I thought EVERYONE sucked ass in the acting department for DP. I mean, don't even get me started on how totally bad Zoe was. As others have noted, if QT is in love with her stunt work, that's one thing. Yes, she clung to a hood really, really good. But in terms of acting that woman needs an acting coach and she needs one yesterday...
April 8, 2007, 9:49 p.m. CST
by mr. brownstone
is right up there with Lori Petty in Point Break and Lorraine Bracco in Medecine Man for most annoying female movie character of all time. Joel Silver actually named this the "Lorraine Bracco effect" and fired Lori Petty from Demolition Manbecause of it.
April 8, 2007, 9:51 p.m. CST
I think Vivica A. Fox should be awarded for this also.
April 8, 2007, 9:53 p.m. CST
by mr. brownstone
the blonde one in temple of doom.
April 8, 2007, 9:54 p.m. CST
Did you call Deathproof shit? I don't know. I didn't read this whole talkback. I wrote what I wrote about what was said at the begining and what was said by my talkback here. I'm talking about all the shitting on this movie that happened up above. Then you called me inarticulate and childish and guessed I have ADHD. I don't know what else you are talking about in this talkback.
April 8, 2007, 9:55 p.m. CST
by mr. brownstone
I drew a blank there.
April 8, 2007, 9:55 p.m. CST
by Orbots Commander
Now that the holiday and family obligations are done and things get back to normal, I may be in the mood to check this out. What's the consensus? Is it worth the $30 (2 tickets w/ a date plus concessions) or is it a rental?
April 8, 2007, 9:57 p.m. CST
I'm sick of hearing you use the expression 'drunk in love' in what seems like every post you write. Please find another expression, I'm over hearing it!
April 8, 2007, 9:57 p.m. CST
I'm going to write this every day until you give me an answer. CAPONE - Where are you?
April 8, 2007, 9:58 p.m. CST
Just saw the trailer again before my DVD copy of BLACK X-MAS and there is clearly a shot of Russel getting a lap dance from Vanessa Ferlito. And he's shaking like crazy. Could be some missing but necessary info. on his character. Again, like the bad actors, maybe this was Tarantino's point.
April 8, 2007, 10 p.m. CST
by Triumph poops!
Like others here, I posted a similiar observation earlier and basically agree with what you're saying. A huge problem for me regarding DP was the fact that by the time we finally get around to the Dodge car chase scene and the second set of girls, you've been utterly bored out of your skull by all the whining and crappy dialogue that you've had to sit through -- so much so that you've all but forgotten what Mike actually did to the first set of girls. So you're right, it's like its a whole other film now. In this "sequel", he's only teasing them, at which point THEY become psychopaths and even MORE unsympathetic as they hunt him down and kill him. I said this before and I'll say it again, and Mori can call me a misogynist or whatever the fuck accusations he's throwing at DP detractors: frankly, as a final moment, I wanted a shock cut moment of a car coming along and nailing Rosario and friends just BECAUSE they were so annoying by film's end...
April 8, 2007, 10:03 p.m. CST
Hi Triumph. No, I actually agree with you here. The black actress has a totally tired character who can be seen as stereotypical. This hasn't bothered me in the past with Sam Jackson's QT characters and such, but, while I'm not offended, I really am tired of QT's rehashing of the 'smartass black character.' A lot of things struck me as tired by QT in Death Proof: 1.) the whole diner scene is a lesser version of the beginning of R.Dogs. 2.) QT being in the movie looking out of place 3.) the smartass black character (who just sucked - the actress and the lame character) 4.) casting Eli Roth at the beginning 5.) too little Kurt Russell 6.) the whole job seemed rush and not calculated (in a good way) in QT's prime fashion. Not sure what happened, but anyone who says this is better or that the dialogue alone is better than Pulp Fiction is out of their skull.
April 8, 2007, 10:04 p.m. CST
QT wasn't doing anything but having a great time writing and directing and shooting a movie. This is what is so great about this movie for me. It isn't boxed into anything. It's very much about an artist making art. It was wonderful. This movie doesn't fit into a ruleset. It's just a great writer and filmmaker going at it. Same with Robert and Planet Terror. These guys just went from the gut here. It was wonderful to experience. The ratio of audience ass kissing was clearly low on these flicks. I loved that. People can argue that entertainment needs to be consumable by an audience all they want... but at the end of your career, when you are sitting in your pool by the ocean, you aren't thinking about how accessible your art was to a general audience, you are thinking about whether or not your heart was in your work. That's what these 2 films are about. Do they hope they make a lot of money? Sure. But these are clearly not for everyone and that focus allows these movies to have a rare depth.
April 8, 2007, 10:05 p.m. CST
I could name a dozen chases with more prowess, ingenuity, plot related pieces and the like: THE ROAD WARRIOR (end tanker chase) -- INDY JONES AND THE LAST CRUSADE (tank chase) -- TO LIVE AND DIE IN L.A. (wrong way freeway) -- mainly any car chase in all 4 LETHAL WEAPON films.
April 8, 2007, 10:05 p.m. CST
by Neo Zeed
I'm sure the Hollywood suits are thinking 300 was a fluke (and continue to greenlight more PG-13 comedies). I just think it was a wrong idea to open on Easter weekend.
April 8, 2007, 10:06 p.m. CST
it surprises me how many folks say they saw the picture. Some on here said they've seen it twice! I guess the aintitcool crowd were just about the only ones that did see the damn thing. as ever GQtaste
April 8, 2007, 10:07 p.m. CST
Try to comment without insulting the people who disagree with you. Almost none of the pro-DP comments have been able to refrain from slamming people on the other side. <p> If they go ahead and release the two features separately in Europe as I've heard, it will be interesting to see how each is received on its own. A large part of the dissatisfaction with DP may come from following such a high-energy visual feast as TP. /No ADHD
April 8, 2007, 10:10 p.m. CST
I guess I insulted the pro-DP people by calling them apologists. Ah well.
April 8, 2007, 10:12 p.m. CST
By the way. Rose McWhatever her name is deserves a fucking oscar nomination for her work in Planet Terro. Where the FUCK did that come from?! One minute she's in some shitty TV show doing her soap opera rythm acting and the next she's blowing the shit apart in Planet Terror?! She just leapt up the ladder of actors I like to see in movies. Wow. Beyond low expectations... she was amazing. I guess she really wanted to show what she could do with this movie. I haven't been this suprised since Denzel in Training Day.
April 8, 2007, 10:14 p.m. CST
Horrible placement for the holiday weekend. People that went to the movies this weekend looked for something they could watch w/ their families.
April 8, 2007, 10:15 p.m. CST
by Jon E Cin
See you in austin...
April 8, 2007, 10:15 p.m. CST
"Because if QT really WAS trying to deconstruct the genre and Grindhouse films, gee, I guess he shouldn't have made the Black character the typical finger wagging, "Fuck" and "Bitch" swearing street girl we've all grown tired of seeing. Yes, I am white and male, but I really do have to believe that Blacks are tired of perpetually seeing themselves portrayed the same way over and over again -- and I would have to believe (as I said earlier) that would particularly hold true for REAL intelligent Black women out there. You know, like the kind who REALLY DO exist in today's 21st century world. As I noted before as well, the character is SUPPOSED to be a fellow Hollywood professional, so why can't she talk and act as literate as any of the others? Why does the Black woman HAVE to be the overly standard ghetto girl?" this is an excellent example of bad rhetoric...namely, begging the question... that aside... How come none of you mention that Zoe was the Typical New Zeelander? That the white girl they leave behind with the typical Yokel with the sweet car was That typical dumb white girl cheerleader who loves John Hughes... in DP...there are two character switches... Abernathy goes from wannabe to killer and Stuntman mike goes from killer to wuss... everyone else is, er, well, "exploited".... There is deconstruction here, it's just not in terms of person...it's more formal...and the talk back isn't the venue...
April 8, 2007, 10:15 p.m. CST
by Triumph poops!
Nice post and I agree with you totally. As I said before, the pacing just sucked ass, at least to me. In meeting the second set of girls, FIRST we have to sit through the long drawn out car conversation about who does what for a job in Hollywood and who's fucking who in Hollywood (which frankly seemed rather pretentious on QT's part) at which point we THEN have to sit through a SECOND overly long talk in the diner where we get more "hip pop culture" chat (in short, QT doing his usual jerk fest) which only gives us ONE plot point -- namely that Zoe has found an ad that will allow her to drive a muscle car -- at which point we have to deal with a THIRD long gabfest at the farm meeting over getting the car and who gets to go, etc...which seques into a FOURTH long and drawn out gabfest in the car as they hint at what they want to do, but try to have so-called witty banter arguing about it...so of course they then get out of the car and we get a FIFTH drawn out scene of them bantering and talking on the road.<p>Seriously, note to QT: those 5 scenes are what killed DEATH PROOF, again at least in my opinion. They... just... went... on... forever... with... seemingly... no... point. All the plot points you needed could have been covered in 2 shorter scenes, not 5, at which point we could have had MORE Kurt exposition or MORE Kurt ominous stalking moments or even MORE car chase stuff -- any of which would have helped to make DP a far better "Grindhouse" film, which is what it was SUPPOSED to be rather than a boring, gabby episode of the "Young Golden Girls."
April 8, 2007, 10:17 p.m. CST
Right on, you don't see Sicilians and other Mediterranean races (clearly who have had Black blood in their own bloodlines) calling themselves black. I am betting Rosario would call herself multi-racial.
April 8, 2007, 10:17 p.m. CST
if a movie is found boring, no amount of analysis can save it... no one will care... i was drunk when i saw it...i talked while they talked on screen... i was talking about how cool they all looked and how cool they all were while they thought they were cool and everything they said was coool... i thought the whole damn experience was cool...and it didn't hurt that the theater i saw it at...we had fifths of whiskey, love in the air, and dates...
April 8, 2007, 10:18 p.m. CST
but did it lick your pussy? That's what REAL fans want to know... Cheers.
April 8, 2007, 10:24 p.m. CST
by Triumph poops!
I'll agree with you on this, Antonphd. She surprised me in this too and she was much better than I expected her to be.<p>In terms of acting ability, I won't go so far as to compare her to Denzel Washington's skills, but I will say the opening scene of her pole dancing was one of the HOTTEST things I've seen on film in ages, particularly since she didn't even remove anything. So that was great "acting" and it gave me a nice, warm feeling that didn't go down -- oops! I meant didn't go away -- for quite a bit into the film. Ahem!
April 8, 2007, 10:24 p.m. CST
does anyone know why the caged bird sings? i've got a paper due tomorrow.
April 8, 2007, 10:32 p.m. CST
What I am wondering myself is, once I get time to see it more on home video if there are those cool QT lines in there, ya know those lines that grow in coolness over time. I was so exhausted from Planet Terror I was like a jellyfish watching DP. I am looking forward to watching DP as a standalone. Also, QT is excited about a DVD version which is supposed to plug in a lot of extra scenes. Well, I look forward to seeing how that changes things. I had a blast after it was all over. Took a lot out of me. Those trailers were so geeky damn cool. So mondo cult trashy. Lots of good points and views in this talkback (yeh I read it all).
April 8, 2007, 10:35 p.m. CST
Dude... quit quoting Racism 101 to me. Fuck man. Nothing is more offensive than someone exploiting racism while making fallacious arguments. There's no fucking racism in fucking Deathproof! And to try to pin it on the movie or QT as a way to complain about a movie that you didn't have a good time watching is just plain wrong. And please, shut the fuck up with the "if i were a black woman I'd be offended" shit! My parents are racist. My father said to me only 2 pieces of advice in my whole life. One was "all i'm saying is that i'd feel sorry for any son of mine who married a black woman". I don't speak to him anymore. THAT is racist. This is a movie about a pussy male bully getting put in his place by women... black and white and Puerto Rican/Cuban/African American/Irish/Native American.
April 8, 2007, 10:40 p.m. CST
"thats odd considering all they had to do to get rid of him in the first place was slow down and pull over, "...You do know basic physics, right? Tossing on the brakes wouldn't have worked, because Zoe would have gone flying off the car and died. And if they slowed down slowly, he could have easily done likewise and still caused them grief.
April 8, 2007, 10:40 p.m. CST
Same hype. Same failure. Justice has prevailed. QT, I know you read the TBs. You're talented as hell! RD and Pulp changed film in our generation. Get back to some original storytelling, PLEASE. We want it. We need it. And we'll show up for it 100%. Nothing wrong with some homages in your work. But do it like you did with the dialogue and visuals in RD and Pulp. Subtle, yet stylistic without being in your face.
April 8, 2007, 10:46 p.m. CST
I gotta say... beyond the quality of the movie... the subject matter was enough to make it a great experience. And, honestly, I can't understand why anyone who is understanding of women's rise above oppression and abuse at the hand of men over the last 6 thousand years isn't effected by this movie. I think it's interesting that people say that you don't find out why Stuntman Mike kills women. You do. He tells you plainly. He's the poster child for abusive men. Even how he kills them a the ultimate metaphor for how these jerk offs abuse women. Think about the movie from this point of view and it turns into a completely different movie. I'm calling it art for a reason. It's not just entertainment. It is probably the greatest warcry of women against abusive men ever made. It all there. If you are just waiting around for the chase scenes. It's called art kids. It requires pattern recognition.
April 8, 2007, 10:53 p.m. CST
...it's in a FRIGGIN' CAGE AND WANTS OUT!!!! BUT IF YOU'RE EVEN THINKING OF LETTING IT OUT....DON'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 8, 2007, 10:54 p.m. CST
'if you are just waiting' is supposed to be 'if you aren't just waiting'. This IS a female empowerment film. It is not a male orgasm. Yes, that is the opposite of an exploitation film. Well, that's what happens when an artist makes a Grindhouse movie. In my opinion, Deathproof will be talking about and analysed by in filmschool in future generations. It is a massive achievement as a piece of art. You have to have the mind and the heart to see if for what it is though. And this isn't an excuse. It's the truth. This movie is like poetry... you can't take it for just face value. It's depth is what is subtly expressed. You really are missing an amazing film here if you don't see this. This isn't an apology about the film. This is coming from some part of me that hopes that such an amazing piece of art gets thru to more people who may dismiss it because they don't understand it. Hey, I'm a foolish optimist, what can I say.
April 8, 2007, 10:54 p.m. CST
I know AICN wanted this flick to succeed, and there's nothing wrong with loving it. Different tastes for different people. But let's not blame it's failure to generate INTEREST on it debuting on Easter Weekend. I know you'd like a scapegoat factor, but c'mon. The fans of QT, Grindhouse movies, etc. were going to go opening weekend whether their family liked it or not. Let's be honest here. Let it be noted that "ticket sales dipped by about 18% Saturday, suggesting that the pic connected with its core young male demographic, but was unable to draw wider auds." - Variety <p> Easter wasn't a factor. And chances are Grindhouse will drop even moreso in the coming weekend, where there are SEVEN new releases to enjoy. <p> Even Weinstein said it was a disappointment. And the fact that he said said they will tweak "the movie's marketing materials to reinforce to auds that "Grindhouse" will only be a theatrical experience and won't be rolled out on homevideo as one film," is basically saying, hey, we're desperate to get SOME box office business so we're going to play it up like this is a one time experience... don't wait for DVD. <p>
April 8, 2007, 10:57 p.m. CST
Waaaay too much diarrhea of the mouth. I usually don't mind dialog-heavy movies, for the most part, and have liked just about every other flick QT has made, but these bitches were unbelievably tedious. The final chase was great though.
April 8, 2007, 11 p.m. CST
I enjoyed GRINDHOUSE. I really like QT's films. Death Proof is at the bottom of the list, but I still like it. Although, I do not believe that QT himself thought that it would be better than his previous work. Just different. A GRINDHOUSE film. BUT NOW ON TO MY POINT. No matter what you thought of GRINDHOUSE, can we all agree that QT should cease acting in films. It's kinda distracting and a bit annoying. Sorry QT. Your films rock but stay behind the camera please. And when other directors ask you to be in their film........DON'T!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
April 8, 2007, 11:07 p.m. CST
As a fan, I admire what Quentin did - made the film slow as hell, so when Stuntman Mike is revealed as a killer, and not just as a sad, Icy Hot sponsored ex-cool guy - well, that hit me like a ton of bricks. It reminded me of a similar approach that Tasheki Miike took in Audition - draw out that second act so that when the big reveal happens - blammo! However, as a moviegoer, I wish I could've been more entertained at that section and give me more sweet revenge stunt sequences. Perhaps he could've introduced the charecters at the same time and save us a crapload of boredom in the first half hour of the film.
April 8, 2007, 11:08 p.m. CST
The conversations were there to show you the hopes and dreams and joys and fears of these women who are real people who's lives can be ruined by the wrong asshole. Of course... I'm not suprised by people who don't give a shit about what other people think finding this part of the movie pointless and boring. The chick on Ebert and Roeper was bored as shit by the chicks talking, but she loved the splosions and car chases. While Roeper found the dialogue scenes incredibly interesting. And every single word and look and action in the dialogue scenes were essential. I didn't find one single moment that didn't drive the story and purpose of the film. I really... I don't know where to begin to explain how this movie is anything but boring. I don't know why most of the film is not being 'seen' by some people.
April 8, 2007, 11:08 p.m. CST
by Orbots Commander
You can't compare this flick with 300. They're apples and oranges. 300 is a big a success as it is, not because it's an entertaining, albeit goofy, action movie. It's because it contained elements that appealed to many demographics: young males for the action and CGI, and date crowds and older audiences for the 'large canvas historical epic' elements. For crying out loud, my parents who barely EVER go to the movies when to see 300 even if it's only because we're ethnic Greek. I can tell you they will NOT be going to see GRINDHOUSE. It's appeal never went past young males and Tarantino fans, and there's a lot overlap in that group.
April 8, 2007, 11:11 p.m. CST
Thank you for reminding me of this guys undying lust to be a film actor too. These guys like M. Night, but esp. Quentin can't help themselves. You know, to say that the dude has a face for radio would be charitble. QT has a face only a mother would love. Jesus that protruding chin of his? The rug that doesn't fool anybody. But the worst is his goddamn personality that gets on people's nerves.
April 8, 2007, 11:14 p.m. CST
" Hey Rodge what have you been up to" " Oh not much " said Roger " I've got a new movie coming out, can I have a hand " said Q.T. " A hand, after the crap you've put me through " said Roger. " Dude does Lennon need McCartney " said Q.T. and so on.
April 8, 2007, 11:17 p.m. CST
April 8, 2007, 11:20 p.m. CST
....and his bag 'o' balls? He scooped them up like they were gold near the end of the flick. Was there an important plot point I missed?
April 8, 2007, 11:24 p.m. CST
by Triumph poops!
You noted how Weinstein has already gone public and said they will tweak the movie's marketing materials to reinforce to audiences that GRINDHOUSE will only be a theatrical experience and won't be rolled out on home video as one film." Quoting you, you took that as meaning "He's basically saying, hey, we're desperate to get SOME box office business so we're going to play it up like this is a one time experience."<p>In truth, here's what he's REALLY saying...<p>"We lost our shirts on this thing, so there's no way in Hell it will be released as one film on DVD. THAT'S why it's a one time theatrical experience. Fuck this shit! I intend to split it up and make you buy TWO DVDs and make TWICE the money off home video sales. Hell, even in terms of people who didn't like DEATH PROOF, there will still be a carry over percentage of "completists" who will pick up the $15 DVD on sale at Best Buy the day it comes out just for the hell of adding it to their collection. So I'll STILL make more money by splitting it up."<p>Of course, they might keep it together -- that way they can milk it by making you buy the "theatrical version" (the two films together) VERSUS the split apart and "expanded versions" for each film...followed of course by the inevitable "Unrated Grindhouse Directors Cut versions."<p>Dear Weinsteins: given the piss poor ticket sales on this film, don't think for a second that we don't already see where you're going to go with this once it comes to home video!
April 8, 2007, 11:26 p.m. CST
Ohhhh, so THAT explains it. Thanks.
April 8, 2007, 11:27 p.m. CST
Really? So, i'm not Italian since I'm also Indian and French and Irish and Jewish? Hmmm... not sure where your rules for what race a person is comes from. If you aren't black if you are 1/4 black then you aren't any of the other races that you are only part... so that means you aren't any race. That doesn't add up at all. Look... she looks like she's black. What the fuck is wrong with saying that? I don't think she'd be offended by people thinking she's all black! What the fuck?! What the fuck is your big offense at saying someone is black?! I'm not offended by being called Italian or French or any race I am. Why should anyone be? I think it's only the people who are racist who have a problem with what race a person is.
April 8, 2007, 11:29 p.m. CST
April 8, 2007, 11:31 p.m. CST
.....fire/pull the trigger on her leg/firearm?
April 8, 2007, 11:32 p.m. CST
by Triumph poops!
Hmm, not sure if it really works combining AICN catch phrases, but at least for the heavier geeks out there it will be sound diet advice!
April 8, 2007, 11:32 p.m. CST
hehe... i just read that... that was pretty funny. but i'd use diver instead of diving.
April 8, 2007, 11:34 p.m. CST
Death Proof was crap. If I wanted to hear girls talking I would just put a mic on my sister, not watch this shit. Loved the rest of the movie.
April 8, 2007, 11:38 p.m. CST
...Death Proof was boring. When this many people say it's boring it really is boring. And if you don't tone down the hysteria (we get it, you're the champion of oppressed women everywhere) and pull the covers back up over your 'issues' you're eventually going to alarm the internet police, who will reverse IP your ass, break down your door, and forever separate you from your precious collection of female empowerment films.
April 8, 2007, 11:40 p.m. CST
by Orbots Commander
that Italian, Irish and French are ethnicities, not race. Being Jewish is a religious affiliation. Race= Black-African descent; Asian/East Asian; White/Western European/Slavic; North and South American Indian; and finally Arabic and Persian.
April 8, 2007, 11:41 p.m. CST
Some people think his work is sooooo awesome. Some people find it dreadfully boring. I guess he was the TARANTINO of his day. Or maybe TARANTINO is the SHAKESPEARE of today. Hmmmmm???
April 8, 2007, 11:48 p.m. CST
....will be made into full-length feature films? Perhaps if we scream loud enough we will buying a ticket for DON'T at this time next year. Or THANKSGIVING.
April 8, 2007, 11:56 p.m. CST
by drew mcweeny
... basically, when you watch a lot of the really crazy exploitation films, they give each character one thing that defines them, no matter how ludicrous. Apparently, Naveen's character really, really likes balls. <P>The sight of him scrambling to pick them all up and pocket them after the tank spilled makes me laugh just because it makes no sense at all.
April 8, 2007, 11:57 p.m. CST
by drew mcweeny
... if you're actually trying to figure out how that gun leg would work in the real world, you may have missed the point.
April 9, 2007, midnight CST
by Buzz Maverik
First and only time I ever found Susan St. James attractive. I remember Peter Fonda's story about making it with a girl with powder blue panties. Saw it at the former Jerry Lewis Twin Cinemas, that became Movie Twins, which was a real grindhouse.
April 9, 2007, 12:02 a.m. CST
OH YEAH!!!!! Actually, I like the silliness and did not miss the point but my logical side enjoys trying to find answers no matter how futile the effort. Call me crazy. Actually....DON'T!!!!!!!!!!!
April 9, 2007, 12:04 a.m. CST
by Buzz Maverik
Or STRANGER & THE GUNFIGHTER. If RR and QT ask me to team up with them and direct a third segment for a sequel (we'd be RR, QT and BM), I'd do a grindhouse western. I hated westerns as a kid but the kind they showed in grindhouses were so gonzo that I didn't even realize I was watching westerns.
April 9, 2007, 12:04 a.m. CST
by Triumph poops!
In responding to Moto, I mentioned that given the lackluster box office for GRINDHOUSE, the REAL reason Harvey Weinstein was already saying this would be a "one time theatrical experience" is because he'll ultimately want to break the film apart to make everyone buy 2 DVDs instead of one -- and thus make twice the money, twice as fast, to recoup his losses on GH. So with that thought in mind...<p>...As much as I bitched about it, I would actually support that idea IF they sprung a few million to actually make THANKSGIVING or DON'T or MACHETE or WEREWOLF WOMEN OF THE SS on the cheap and fast and then you actually got one of them when you did buy PLANET TERROR or DEATH PROOF separately. So, yes, they'd be splitting the movie up, but for home video you'd now be getting a "new" double feature.<p>I mean, come on, the REAL fun to making THANKSGIVING or DON'T or any of the other trailers should be in making them fast, furious, in under 2 weeks and for only a million bucks or something paltry like that (well, paltry relative to usual Hollywood films. I mean, come on, for any of us working Joes, a million bucks is still nothing to sneeze at!). And they should be shot on 16mm or something, all effects have to be old style rubber molds and whatnot, to TRULY recreate Grindhouse filmmaking.<p>Now THAT would be cool and I would buy it for the sheer fun of it...
April 9, 2007, 12:08 a.m. CST
CAN BE CONSIDERED AN "AUSTIN" FILM!!! That shit is Chicago Harry!!!!!!!
April 9, 2007, 12:45 a.m. CST
by Rainbow Cotton
Planet Terror was awesome. For some reason, all the blood flying everywhere and the army base setting at the end reminded me of Metal Slug. Plus Rose McGowan's rocket jump put me into a video game state of mind I guess. Bruce Willis' Osama speech was the most perfect distillation of retarded comic book/video game/B-movie plots ever. And the theme song is great! I even got the soundtrack to listen to it. The opening with Rose McGowan trying to fuck Rodriguez through the camera while the theme plays in the background is worth the price by itself, haha.
April 9, 2007, 12:53 a.m. CST
I think this makes a lot of sense, promote Grindhouse by recounting Planet Terror's many highlights. Don't even try to defend Death Proof.
April 9, 2007, 1 a.m. CST
by Rainbow Cotton
Some drunk guys kept cat-calling the screen and calling the girls names, and everyone else kept yelling at them to shut the fuck up and the projector broke in the middle of it (so like 10 minutes out). I know these are elements of the grindhouse experience, but as Death Proof (at least as I viewed it) was almost an anti-exploitation film, I feel I need to see it again on its own terms before I can honestly comment.<br><br>And I've had this account for awhile, I just don't post very much.
April 9, 2007, 1:05 a.m. CST
I walked into this showing without having paid the fucking ticket or anything, with the fucking thing having started about 20 minutes into it (the showing was at 9:10 and I snuck in at 9:30), so I had already missed the opening titles and the infamous Machete trailer, but I still feel like I can type in here a bit of a review. Let me tell you that I fucking loved seeing Jeff Fahey back in ANY roll,because ever since he left Hollywood (after having made such brilliant movies as Lawnmower Man and Body Parts)Hollywood seems to have missed out on many Fahey moments that have just disappeared into the ether. Also, Michael Bien was great as the grizzled Sheriff, and I also fucking love Freddy Rodgriguez (6ft under fans will understand why), so there were some great performances in the first have of this chop socky flick. Yet, I still feel that some of Planet Terror was just lacking in suspense and/or inspiration and tended to feel like a parody of real gritty zombie flicks (that also felt like a tacked on genre that really didn't need to be there, the zombies were only set pieces)...to be continued!
April 9, 2007, 1:14 a.m. CST
by Rainbow Cotton
Now I remember why I avoid the talkbacks...
April 9, 2007, 1:39 a.m. CST
by Bob C. Cock
not that i didn't like deathproof, it was pretty good. the loooooong diatribes were a little testing; i could think of nothing during the first 40 minutes of DP but how comfy my bed is and how i wanted to go lay down. it was worth it in the end to see how it all played out, but all in all, Planet Terror was fun and held people's interest (in the showing i was at), while Death Proof was too much beating around the bush. More Kurt Russel would have helped, or more Mary Elizabeth Winstead (cheerleader), whose outcome i wanted to see. Grindhouse was really fun and an interesting homage to classic trashy cinema, but i can also understand where people got pulled out of the experience with Deathproof and wanted some action. or titties. whichever.
April 9, 2007, 1:39 a.m. CST
by slappy jones
too many words in death proof. less words...more pretty pictures for my feeble fucking brain.....300 was heaps better duurrrrrr...DEATH PROOF - BEST FILM OF THE YEAR. planet terror was great too but i cannot believe in the same year that a film as fucking stupid as 300 is percieved as the savior of cinema that death proof is being abused like this....fuck that.
April 9, 2007, 2:02 a.m. CST
by hank quinlan
Wow. What a post mortem. Funny thing. I read both these scripts during filming. Planet Terror was the more entertaining. Death Proof honestly was barely readable. Pages and pages of boring conversation with some seriously smug and uninteresting girls. And I am far from a RR man so I expected so much more from QT. That being said...I got to go to the Austin premiere and I have to say...I was won over. The stuff that didn't work on the page (the gun leg, the interminable conversations, the luridness) didn't work on the screen. But whatever...RR's take on crappy 80's genre flicks and QT's kickass car chase plus the trailers (the best part as far as I was concerned) were awesome. A great full blast time at the theatre. Do I want to see it again? Not really. But I'm surprised people who like Sin City didn't come out to see this. I was not a Sin City fan. But why was that a hit and this wasnt? I can see Harvey and Bob making people double dip on the DVD since these will be released as longer seperate versions on the international market. There's a million different reasons this didnt open big. I dont feel that bad. The movie was good. And Im pretty sure everyone who worked on it, isn't going to starve and will work again. By the way for those who want to know if Austin is all that...uhhh yeah. Been here 12 years. And yes it is. Not sure why everyone digs Gueros. Pretty mediocre. Some fucking puny fajitas and lame atmosphere. During SXSW, had dinner there with a bunch of bigwig L.A. types who just HAD to eat there. I'm like Chuys and Trudys are sooo much better. And yes, our chicks are hot. Sadly our bar scene (where I work) is over saturated with hipster bullshit and our skyline is about to be overrun with LAME million dollar condos. Things to do: Alamo Drafthouse (any one of them is fun), Sixth street (dont care if you dont like the college bars. on Thursday night its still a blast), Zilker Park, Spider House coffee shop, Austin Books (one of the best comic book stores in the country), and the Yellow Rose on a Sunday night. Oh and go by Whole Foods. Filled with sexy ladies. By the way, the aforementioned bigwig L.A. types execs had really NO idea what was up with Harry and AICN. Thought that was so funny. I had to explain it to them. But here's why movies suck. Know what execs HATE talking about? Movies. Picture that sorta cute but super anal girl you knew in college who just HAD to move to New York and lived with her loser boyfriend for 3 years. Thats who becomes a movie exec. Yeah...Did you EVER listen to her lame opinions about movies which consisted of basically Wes Anderson was great and genre movies were SOOO stupid. Thats who develops movies. And sooo you get a movies like Fracture etc. Say what you want about Grindhouse. Its made by people who love movies for people who love movies. Is it a jerk off? Is it flawed? Is it the greatest movie ever? You know the answers. But fuck it...Post mortem and tangential rant over.
April 9, 2007, 2:07 a.m. CST
That I work in clubs, or that strippers talk an enormous, endless amount of shit? <p> Yes, I spend a good chunk of time listening to aggravated females, women with motormouths and "tough" mentalities, holding forth on the exact subjects of weed, text messages and relationships.<p> Thus I feel qualified to judge: Uncle Quentin claiming his cardboard mouthpieces in DP are "how real women talk" (as he has in some interviews) is ludicrous. You know what had great dialogue? Jackie Brown. You know what had contrived, rehashed nattering? Death Proof. <p> If that makes you want to "take me down" on a TB, as you so awesomely say, then gosh, do ahead and do your worst...
April 9, 2007, 2:21 a.m. CST
April 9, 2007, 2:26 a.m. CST
My film collection is pretty small. I had to sell my collection when I quit programming business applications a few years ago to take time off to learn game programming. It was sad. Now, all I have is Constantine, Sahara and Batman Begins. But, I live in Seattle, the home of Scarecrow video, so, I mostly rent now days. Sad. I did used to own Legally Blond. I bought if for my wife. Does that count as a Women Empowerment film? I don't know. But anyone who has a problem with women empowerment is fucktard, so, I don't really car.
April 9, 2007, 2:33 a.m. CST
If Deathproof was being shit on by AICN reviewers, I'd be pissed, but they love it. Talkbackers? Who really expects most talkbackers to like Deathproof. They can't appreciate a movie that makes dickheads look like pussies... cause that's what they are. That's really the line between who likes the movie(well, for adults, it is probably a little to subtle for little kids) and who is bored by it. I walked out of Blood Diamond to hear a couple college guys in nice cloths talking about what a piece of shit Babel was because it was... and I quote 'a movie to show you people who are suffering so you feel sorry for them' and how that's not what they want when they go to the movies. I literally just stood mouth open staring at them as they walked out the theater door. I couldn't believe that anyone could actually be that much of an asshole and that open about being an asshole. It's the same with this movie. Decent people might not enjoy Deathproof, but only an asshole will be pissed at it.
April 9, 2007, 2:37 a.m. CST
...and I've never read the phrase "grindhouse" in a single talkback, ever, until this movie was brought up. Uh huh. I saw Crazy Mary at a young age and it created an unhealthy desire for dangerous hot women, and that ending was a slap in the face. I recently got Vanishing Point on DVD, and man does this hold up--see it. Two-Lane is one of the few movies I fell asleep during.
April 9, 2007, 2:40 a.m. CST
is the cleverest defense of this 90% lifeless gabfest that you can come up with? If you're really claiming that Quentin's filmic fetishes somehow equate to "female empowerment," then I can only laugh.
April 9, 2007, 2:42 a.m. CST
I completely agree with the attitude of those two guys, though for other reasons. You have to remember, this isn't about poor PEOPLE, it's about a movie director lecturing you for two hours. I don't know too many people who go to the movies to have their ethical punchcard punched--I know it's not popular to say so, but how would you feel if you paid to see Babel and in the end was a scene with the Pope telling you you should go to church and pray, because that's why there's suffering in the world? It's a MOVIE these kind of folks are complaining about, not poor people. They paid the ticket price, they have a right to complain about a movie lecturing them, if that's how they saw it.
April 9, 2007, 2:44 a.m. CST
And here I thought I was the only one who liked this movie. It's like if Richard Donner and John Waters had collaborated on The French Connection.
April 9, 2007, 3:23 a.m. CST
http://www.libertyfilmfestival.com/libertas/ <p> Seriously, the article at the top of the page proudly proclaims "Grindhouse tanks at the B.O. Right underneath it, in the first comment, is this statement: <p> "What stands out is the function of the internet and places like Aint It Cool News, CHUD, etc as a megaphone for a very small group: film/video geeks who are upper class and bored, amped up in publicity/awareness beyond their true numbers." <p> UPPER CLASS AND BORED. They're calling US the bourgeoisie! Not enough to make you mad? How about THIS: <p> "The internet echo chamber of film geeks, critics totally removed from the tastes of the actual filmgoing public, and pay-me first Hollywood create this bubble that has nothing to do with what Joe Sixpack and his family are going to see or rent this weekend. Look at how shocked the media was when “Wild Hogs” and “300″ opened big. I have to put up all of the time with AICN geeks who predict some pet project will make a gazillion dollars and will be the Biggest Thing Ever only to see it open at oh, $8 million in fifth place opening weekend." <p> These people hate any movie thats creative and personal. They also claim that AICN tried to KILL 300, which harry, Mori, and everyone else here should be HOPPING mad about. <p> The jerks the run this site won't even let me post anymore, everytime I try to post I get a message telling me its a duplicate message...and it never went up the first time! <p> So if you care about Grindhouse, AICN, or just great movies in general, please go to this site and tell these people they're wrong. They clearly hate movies, and its our job to fight back! <p> Just Copy and Paste the name into your browser, register (it takes 2 minutes tops), and defend this movie against these nitwits who fault RR and QT for trying to provide audiences with "an experience", which the poster says is "always doomed to failure". He then says the only thing that matters is "story" and praises 300 for its "maturity" compared to Grindhouse. <p> Seriously, this site defends WILD HOGS because its "what the average American wants to see". Can anyone else see the problem with that? <p> Now is your chance to show these people that AICNers won't take this crap lying down. FIGHT BACK!
April 9, 2007, 4:07 a.m. CST
... it costs $6.50 and two hours of their afternoon... and they couldn't handle having a film be about something important rather than just entertainment... for two fucking hours and $6.50?? Really?? I think that they are a couple of spoiled rich kids who would spending 2 minutes thinking about anyone but themselves a painful experience. And... talking about what sucks in the world and preaching religion are 2 VERY different things. The world does suck for most people and 2 spoiled rich kids felt offended that they had to spend 2 hours being told about it. That's not cool. That's far from cool.
April 9, 2007, 4:13 a.m. CST
Do you ever actually read AICN? This place definitely is one giant geek echo chamber where every 30 year old living in his parents' basement talks about how much movies suck and how if he were making the movie it would be 100 times better. <p>The whole problem with Grindhouse is that they're trying to create an "experience" that was terrible when the real thing existed. Sorry, but making a bad 70s exploitation movie in the year 2007 doesn't make you hip, it just means you have no original ideas left and you're just trading on your reputation. <p>The fact is that the people who post here are a tiny tiny minority of the viewing public. Once you realize that, you won't stress over the fact that Grindhouse won't make back it's $70 mil production costs until DVD sales start flowing in.
April 9, 2007, 4:44 a.m. CST
I'm bummed out for QT and RR that it pretty much bombed over the weekend. Easter weekend may not have been the best time to bring out a hard R exploitation flick. I LOVED the film and plan on seeing it a few more times before it's run is over. The funny thing is that almost all of the things I've heard from other people that have seen the movie were very positive, so hopefully the word of mouth will take off and they'll at least have a good follow up week. And for the Death Proff haters...kiss my grits bitches...
April 9, 2007, 5:32 a.m. CST
...far more interesting then QT´s dialogue in "Death Proof" (as far as you´re telling). Guess, Quentin sits somewhere in front of his screen an pushing "copy" and "paste", trying desperately to figure out, how real people are talking.
April 9, 2007, 6:44 a.m. CST
Audiences want the perception of seeing something new. They don't want to see something they perceive as being "old", and Grindhouse is an elaborate and in-your-face homage to old things. Ironically people will flock to remakes of old horror and sci-fi movies because they're being sold to them as "new" experiences and look new, while Grindhouse had two original movies that are deliberately made to appear like old pieces of crap. That's America I guess, they'd rather eat crap that looks good then eat something good for you that looks like crap.
April 9, 2007, 7:29 a.m. CST
Grindhouse is an economic failure because people don't want to spend three hours of their lives watching garbage. Don't make the same mistake I did, kids.
April 9, 2007, 7:47 a.m. CST
1+1+1x2-1+7-8=4 so does 2+2. Enough. I hate to be one of these guys that need to preface all negative comments, but I did like Death Proof. I just didn't love it. I didn't love it for all the reasons everyone else didn't.
April 9, 2007, 8:14 a.m. CST
Harry's manlove for Tarrentino aside, GRINDHOUSE is one hell of a flick. PLANET TERROR is one of the very best things I've seen in theatres since, well SHAUN OF THE DEAD. The trailers are awesome. Specifically DON'T and THANKSGIVING and MACHETE. However, DEATHTRAP is, as one reviewer wrote, about 20 to 30 minutes too long. Quentin's a good filmmaker. He writes some of the best dialogue in the business. He loves to take chances and experiment with the medium. All of these things are good things. He's certainly someone who can add some spice to anything he's a part of. He contributes like no one elses business to a largely humdrum film industry. That said, he's fully aware of all this and goes perhaps a little too long with the witty dialogue and the "I love me some me" personally appearances sometimes. DEATHTRAP is one of those times. I'm all for character development. But here we are introduced to a set of characters and then introduced to a second set of characters. Each set is of characters have the same amount of dialogue and development...and well, at the end, only one of the set of characters matter at the end. And it turns out, the amound of time he put into the set that doesn't amount to anything is actually way more development that's offered for the set that does. Hopefully, that's not too confusing. There's too much talk for the sake of talk. Most of it doesn't amount to anything. Kurt Russell is awesome as usual, but I would have liked to have seen and heard more from him truthfully. By the time he is reintroduced in the story, I had almost forgotten about him. And as a whole I thought his character was underdeveloped. But, hey, maybe that's my manlove for Kurt. In any event, GRINDHOUSE is definitely worth the looksee. If not for the first Two and a half hours. After that take a pee-break and come back for the very end. You won't miss much.
April 9, 2007, 8:17 a.m. CST
<p>McNaughton shot an exterior around Austin, the only other locale than Chicago. I think it's actually the last scene with the luggage drop, IIRC.</p><p>You're right, though. Henry's a Chicago film and it was Ebert's review that got it screened across the country which led to it's eventual release.</p>
April 9, 2007, 8:18 a.m. CST
by Ryalto 3.0
...I've had some more thoughts on why Death Proof sucked so much. 1) The big stunt, the entire reason for the movie's existence, just isn't that impressive. So what if it's all real and no cgi, that just isn't that impressive these days either. So you actually put zoe bell on top of a car. whoop-di-doo. Anyone who knows anything about film knows that they film those stunts at 30 mph under extremely controlled conditions. There are insurance and liability issues. No one in hollywood ever does a "daredevil" stunt where the person might die if it comes out wrong. This is just the way things are done now. For quentin to pretend he's being "old school" when anyone who knows about it knows damn well it's pointless is just shady and disingenuous. Only stupid clueless film geeks are impressed by shit like that. It's so obvious that she's wearing a harness, so really, who cares? If they really wanted to impress us, they'd have had her jump to the other car, which would be ludicrous without green screen or cgi. the point is, when Luke jumps onto the scout-trooper's speeder bike in Return of the Jedi, everyone thought it was cool and nobody gave a shit how "real" the STUNT was. If it looks good, the audience just does not care. are you telling a story or doing an effing camera test? 2) the other reason the stunt fails to impress is that it's Zoe Fucking Bell doing the stunt. Who? that's right, it's Uma thurman's stunt double from Kill Bill. QT obviously has a retard crush on her since he wrote the whole part, nay, the whole script, just for her. So you KNOW she's not going to die. It's obvious. There's no way he'll kill her off. She's his cute little stuntgirl muse, and, she's from New Zealand. And as we all know, in this 21st century of shitty "geek cinema," all geeks must turn towards Wellington when they jerk off because of hacktastic Peter fucking Jackson. No chance of death = no sense of danger = no tension. I'm so glad this movie bombed. Fans and critics have been feeding tarantino tons of slack for years while he continues to suck. they stomached one crappy "but it's an homage" movie in Kill Bill, but hopefully this is the end of that. If his next movie isn't insanely good, he's going to go down as a cheesy genre hack who got lucky to have Roger Avery help write his one hit film.
April 9, 2007, 8:23 a.m. CST
robert rodriguez' films?
April 9, 2007, 8:44 a.m. CST
by I Dunno
I'm just so sick of hearing the 30 year old in his parents' basement cliche. Maybe some people just like movies and talking about them during work hours. No one talks shit about the same type of people on sports sites all day, one of whom is in the office next to mine.
April 9, 2007, 8:56 a.m. CST
and no im not talking about Next. his cameo was priceless, really great stuff. man i love that guy, but he insists on doing shitty movies over and over again
April 9, 2007, 9 a.m. CST
by bingo the clown
There was a disturbing lack of nudity in the movie. And "Machette" needs to get made NOW!
April 9, 2007, 9:16 a.m. CST
by Right Bastard
First off, "Planet Terror" was perfect. Anyone who hasn't picked up the "Something Weird" sampler DVD, go do so now. As most of you know, many of those movies from the 60's and 70's were never as good as the Trailers. Rodriguez managed to make a film that lives up to it's potential. It was perfectly cheesy, and had everything it needed (except boobs. Sin City, and now this. What is it with Rodriguez and clothed strippers?). DEATHPROOF, on the other hand, lost me a little. I think understand why it lost me. The problem wasn't the lengthy dialog. All QT films have lengthy dialog. That's part of the reason we like them so much. It's that I don't know if we've ever heard him write dialog like this for women before. A group of girls don't talk about Madonna singing about big dicks, a royal with cheese, or comic book metaphors. He wrote very realistic dialog for these female characters. Unfortunately, the average geek movie goer (including me) won't find that very interesting. Still, he made up for it with the balls out car chase at the end. DEATHPROOF was not his greatest, but it still gets a pass from me.
April 9, 2007, 9:22 a.m. CST
Took my friends to see it and usually they would fall asleep and grab their dicks, but "Grindhouse" blew their brains out of their own asses. They fucking loved it and for people who said "Grindhouse" sucked, can actually suck my dick until i shit in their mouths.
April 9, 2007, 9:48 a.m. CST
I got sidetracked by my disappointment with DP, but yeah, Planet Terror was one fucking hell of a good time. I grinned like an idiot all through it, and laughed at all the great cheezy stuff. Rodriguez deserves an award for making such a fun flick; reminscent of (for me anyway) a thousand bad early-80s films, but a completely entertaining movie in its own right. <p> For a while, I had lost faith in Rodriguez. Pretty much everything he did since El Mariachi I considered fundamentally unsuccessful (I didn't see the spy kid movies), but then came SIN CITY, which was tremendous, and now Planet Terror. I'm back to being a Rodriguez fanboy!
April 9, 2007, 9:54 a.m. CST
I suspected that one or two scenes were probably filmed in Austin, but thanks for agreeing that Henry is all about Chicago.
April 9, 2007, 10 a.m. CST
Neither Planet Terror nor Death Proof delivered what they promised. 2 horror movies for the price of one. Planet Terror was more like a comedy, and after a while, all the exploding head shots became repetitive, while Death Proof was a slasher film, minus any actual slashing. The thing about real Grindhouse movies like, I Spit On Your Grave, is that they were never boring. They entertained you by any means necessary. Whether it be through having the main character appear completely nude in half the movie, or having her cut one of her attacker's dick off. Death Proof was Quentin Tarantino's homage to himself. People for years have been raving about his dialogue, so he was like, let me give em 45 minutes of my precious dialogue, and maybe they'll forget that I'm not delivering on what I promised. Grindhouse movies were never bad on purpose. The acting was horrible, because they couldn't get any real actors to do those movies. The dialogue was awful, because they were written very quickly by hacks. The stories were so over the top, because that's the only thing they had going for them. If you can't get any good actors, and you don't have any money to make a good movie, you need a draw, and for most of these movies the draw was full frontal nudity, or over the top violence. The frustrating thing about Grindhouse was that they had the money, they had the talent both in front of and behind the camera, and it STILL sucked!! Robert Rodriguez and Quentin Tarantino pussied out, and went the safe route, so once the word got out during the Thursday night sneaks, it was over for them.
April 9, 2007, 10:15 a.m. CST
I saw Death Proof at a 4pm showing on Saturday with your standard older/yuppie crowd (ie. silent). As soon as Stuntman Mike started crying the audience began laughing. Then when the girls started to smack the crap out of him and then just ended with a roundhouse kick the audience jumped out of their seats and began clapping and cheering. I thought it was great!
April 9, 2007, 10:18 a.m. CST
These are hallmarks of grindhouse cinema. WHERE WAS THE hand-held FISHEYE!? Talking is fine, but at least have them talking with their shirts off. "Films that pushed the envelope." Uh, I think there's some postage due on Death Proof.
April 9, 2007, 10:18 a.m. CST
by John Nadas Glasses
Live in the Florida Keys, me and my wife both in our early 20's saw the 1st 4:30 PM showing which was made up of the usual mix of mutants and stoners that frequent 1st showings of movies as to avoid annoying kids. It seemed that most people were stoned, so maybe our view was 'enhanced' but I think both movies were awesome and to be truthful, the biggest reaction was the ending of Death Proof. It was such a rewarding ending. The dialogue was classic QT and the switch in the movie I did not see coming at all. Grindhouse was one of the best movie experiences's I've ever had. I grew up watching movies at the Swap Shop drive-in out in Sunrise and this made me remember what the movie experience used to be like. Watching 3 distinctly different movies in a night with my family and take out pizza in the comfort of a station wagon. Grindhouse was a masterpiece and I don't give a shit if anybody disagrees.
April 9, 2007, 10:19 a.m. CST
FINALLY...someone gets it. All this praise for a lame-ass ride on the hood. There was one section where it was obvious they were only doing 20-25 mph. It just wasn't that daring or remarkable.
April 9, 2007, 10:22 a.m. CST
I saw you way up there on the first posts. I've been around longer than you have. I apologize, but I don't think I've ever actually read one of your posts in its entirety. They make my head hurt. Not unlike when the IRON GIANT got his head hurt. Good to see you TODD!
April 9, 2007, 10:24 a.m. CST
by Ultimate Champion
Death Proof did not work for me. The film is built on tension and to make things as tense as possible you must have an emotional investment in the characters. One of the biggest problems for me was Kurt Russell. We are supposed to hate Stuntman Mike and want to see him get his comeuppance however he really seems like a sympathetic character when we first meet him. The initial group of girls seem somewhat realistic and I think Harry hit it on the head when he said we see that they have no idea that their death is coming up around the corner so it is rather shocking. At this point the audience has shifted from sympathy for Stuntman Mike to loathing for what he has done. SM is not just a relic looking for revenge in a world that has passed him by. He is a truly depraved person who likes the thrill of the kill and no longer a tragic character. At this point the film seems to be clicking and the audience waits to see what will happen to SM. Then we are introduced to perhaps the most annoying, self centered group of people, two of which just happen to be stunt people. Oh the irony. At this point it is made crystal clear that these women will not die. They can not. They are not normal women, they are super women. These are the ladies that were invented to destroy Michael and Freddy. And how unfortunate for Mr. Stuntman Mike that he has set his sights on them. Just his bad luck that he would somehow end up in rural Tennessee with not just his equals, but his superiors. Now, a lot of people say that those who did not like these characters were sexist, anti-female, etc. However I do point out that had they been Males instead everyone here would universally hate them. As the movie trudges on we the suspense has been sucked right out and all we are left with is a chase scene that is equal parts anti climactic and illogical. They way these women run over everyone in their sights with aplomb in the hope they can avenge the actions of a "stupid redneck" who crossed their path. Who knows how many people were hurt in their quest for vengeance. And equally as important we are now once again sympathizing with SM. Yes, he is evil. He did kill those girls who did nothing to him in a most gruesome fashion. However, this is where it would have made more sense to flesh out the character. I daresay that it may have worked more with Mickey Rourke as he just comes off as a much more unsympathetic anything. It is hard to dislike Kurt. The man was friggin Snake Plissken! His crying and whining just seemed so last second. Like, hey, what if he does feel sorry for what he has done and then he is offed just like he did to others. Isn't that his just desserts? Instead we get this ludicrous dance off beat down that is so silly that you just wonder why? At this point you are just happy it's over and hope those people go to jail for what they did. Hopefully they will get their desserts as well. In summation, Death proof is not a bad movie. It just didn't work for me. I do not have ADHD and thought I would share my opinions as a sort of counter point. Thanks for reading!
April 9, 2007, 10:25 a.m. CST
Planet Terror was a riot and a lot more fun than Death Proof. A great time. Death Proof seemed to leave more of an impact though. The impending car collision with that bubblegum 60s Brit music was classic QT. The final car chase was as good as it gets. But let's be real about the dialogue. Come the second set of girls I was over it. He completely aped the beginning of Resoirvoir Dogs and his topics have become stagnent. Enough pop culture references!!
April 9, 2007, 10:37 a.m. CST
Grindhouse wasn't even able to get many people in theaters because of the way it was perceived. That was my point.
April 9, 2007, 10:46 a.m. CST
by Mr. Neutron
I saw her on some entertainment show and she said she had a wire running around her waist so there was never a chance she would fly off the car. <p> Would I do it? Of course not, nor am I suggesting she's a fraud or anything less than an excellent stuntwoman. But anyone who thinks she's hanging on by her fingernails or risking certain death is fooling themselves. It's a movie stunt. Not real. <p> Since it was telegraphed that none of these women would die, especially not the girl who didn't fall into the ditch, there was little to no tension when she was on the hood. Since the driving scene wasn't that impressive to begin with, the long wait for the payoff was that much more of a disappointment. <p> The end, from Kurt's wailing to the boot heel, was great but hardly worth the journey. Did I say journey? I meant odyssey.
April 9, 2007, 10:49 a.m. CST
Whats up? My name is Dirty. Shoot me an email at firstname.lastname@example.org P.S. Harry - I think you are such a fat piece of shit.
April 9, 2007, 10:50 a.m. CST
That e-mail doesn't work anymore.
April 9, 2007, 11:02 a.m. CST
Now we're talkin' old school.
April 9, 2007, 11:14 a.m. CST
Sure, PLANET TERROR has more immediate payoff - ridiculously over the top (and intended to be such), maximum gore, never taking itself too seriously - all great fun. But DEATH PROOF sticks with me longer, and it's the film that would would wear better on repeated viewings. RR faithfully adheres to the exploitation conventions but QT transcends them, even flips them around once or twice. But it wasn't what fans expected, so...there you go. <p> And RR absolutely MUST make MACHETE into a full length flick.
April 9, 2007, 11:29 a.m. CST
I think having this open on Easter Weekend was tasteless, to be sure, but let's be real: Those who would be most offended or put off by this nexus weren't the ones likely to go see GRINDHOUSE anyway. Whatever the reason it had a disappointing weekend, this wasn't it. Timing was probably part of it, but not in relation to being Easter weekend.
April 9, 2007, 11:50 a.m. CST
That is all...
April 9, 2007, 12:08 p.m. CST
Ever since Q.T. did pulp fiction. I would say somebody tells him once a day he's a genius and that may be a conservative figure. So the problem with that is noone has the balls to tell him if his stuff may need a little tweaking. For example Jackie Brown needed some editing. There's some really boring bits in there. Kill Bill would have been one awesome, one movie. Yet they made it two. Beware of the Midas Touch boys.
April 9, 2007, 12:09 p.m. CST
Wasn't Kill Bill supposed to be QT's grindhouse movie? He's obviously obsessed with the Pussycat movie and his women characters have turned into superheroes that can kick any guy's ass. I'm quite confident that QT gets off by paying women to beat the shit out of him.
April 9, 2007, 12:14 p.m. CST
by Turkish Star Wars
Wont say how i saw it ahem! But i loved them both, after the reviews i was dreading Quentins, but christ, his rocked big time - where was the boredom????? Anyway, the whole 3hrs was cool and i am not asking for a minute back! so fucking there :)
April 9, 2007, 12:14 p.m. CST
In the early nineties those guys were signing the hottest talent in hollywood. Maybe everyone is scared off after Down and Dirty Pictures came out.
April 9, 2007, 12:25 p.m. CST
I got dragged to many a "grindhouse" type flick in the 70's. I was way way too little to see some of the stuff my family made me watch. It got so bad that even seeing the 70's era American International Pictures logo and the words "Samuel Z. Arkoff Presents" induced a spasm of fear in my 4 year old body that still exists (somewhat to this day). But, as wild and freaky and insane as those flicks were, they were never, Never, NEVER BORING. Not only is Death Proof boring as hell till the end, it's the prime definition of the phrase COCK TEASE! All those girls, all those closeups of tight shorts, toes and feet, no getting busy, no shower scenes, NO T&A! WTF!?!? How could anyone sit through Death Proof without developing a nasty case of blueballs is beyond me! Nobody ever went to see "Cheerleaders" double features or "White Line Fever" for witty dialogue and nonstop banter about who's screwing who tonight! We went for the goods! GUNS! BLOOD! GUTS! BOOBS! ASS! EXPLOSIONS! There was none of that in Death Proof - even the first car kill was kinda wack! When QT meets Samuel Z. Arkoff in the afterlife, I hope Sam slaps the shit out of him for "Death Proof".
April 9, 2007, 12:28 p.m. CST
by Turkish Star Wars
I think some of these talkbakers know shite. I grew up on 70's exploitation, and i recognise alot in both films, homage or whatever. My wife know even more, and loved them both. Some of these so called experts should look back on the films that Grindhouse reflect upon and realise what they have achieved. I found both a laugh riot! It will miss alot of UK people, if they were not around in the 80's video scare, or the 70's double bills then it wont be a hit or recognised. The whole experience resonated to me, something really missed in filmaking. It would be a shame if this is a lost opportunity to bring back collective cinema fandom.
April 9, 2007, 12:32 p.m. CST
Your post is the dumbest shit I've ever read, and being that this is a AICN talkback, that's saying alot. Death Proof will be analyzed in film school in a class called "Shitty Dialogue 101" or "What to make when you've run out of ideas 200"
April 9, 2007, 12:32 p.m. CST
by Turkish Star Wars
April 9, 2007, 12:47 p.m. CST
Just wondering if all the peeps hating on Death Proof can at least acknowledge how awesome he is in the film.
April 9, 2007, 12:53 p.m. CST
Totally awesome. Not a question. A terrific performance in a POS self-indulgent POS boring waste of time. And the cars were cool, too. <br><br> I gather from all the Zoe rocks posts that a lot of morons thought she was actually doing something difficult. Wow. She was wired, idiots, and the car was barely moving at times. Ahhhh, forget it. Death Proof is such a wate of time.
April 9, 2007, 12:57 p.m. CST
and all, but totally aside from Grindhouse, can someone explain the new corner animation?
April 9, 2007, 1:02 p.m. CST
I think...Night Of The Hunter?? Best part of all of Grindhouse, which has got me so geeked for Hot Fuzz is "Don't". The last scenes reminded so much of the musical number from Team America..AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS AIDS .... AIDS!!
April 9, 2007, 1:15 p.m. CST
by Right Bastard
Just to reiterate something mentioned by others, that I touched upon in my previous post. Where were the boobs? The ta-tas? Not only does Rodriguez cast a Nancy for Sin City who won't take her top off; but he fills Grindhouse with hot babes, and there is not one tit to be jiggling. QT, rather than embrace Grindhouse, had girls ramble on about getting laid and scoring weed (what? was this a linklater movie?); but once again, not one released boob to be found. Rob Zombie had more in his preview. It felt a little too stylized, the breasts were covered with hair, and we had to suffer through his wife's acting; but at least they were there. Oh yeah...I would pay money to see "Don't".
April 9, 2007, 1:20 p.m. CST
by TORTURE PWN
2)John Q. Public doesn't know or care what "grindhouse"(the adjective)means,& to many of those that do it means cheap & stupid.3)Yes,Easter weekend definitely factors in.John Q. Public is in "family" mode during holidays.Fact.4)Post word-of-mouth is not living up to pre-release hype.These things combined have contributed to it's poor B.O.This is a movie for filmgeeks by filmgeeks and whether or not we like the film(s)we should at least count ourselves lucky that SOMEONE is trying to do something a little different to entertain us "geeks" in this day and age where John Q. wants their typical,safe,spoonfed,lowest common denominator,remake,bullshit.Like the individual films or not RR/QT deserve at a LITTLE respect for TRYING to cater to the geeks for once.Not everything they do is golden but these guys ARE using their clout to break boundaries.We should be greatful for that at the very least.
April 9, 2007, 1:25 p.m. CST
All you fucks are just jumping on the grindhouse hate bandwagon since success has 100 fathers and failure is an orphan. Death Proof kicked ass and all you dumbasses who said it was too talky probably think 12 Angry Men and Reservoir Dogs are the worst films of all time..
April 9, 2007, 1:43 p.m. CST
All of these defenders of Death Proof should go look at the posters for the film. "A white hot juggernaut at 200 miles per hour" and "Terror so fierce it will rip you in two." Death Proof doesn't come close to delivering either of those boasts. Now, from Fangoria and EW QT said, "THE WHOLE POINT OF MAKING DEATH PROOF WAS THAT "I WANTED TO MAKE A GRINDHOUSE MOVIE THAT ACTUALLY DELIVERED ON WHAT THE POSTERS PROMISED." Now TBers who defend Death Proof, YOU CANNOT LIE AND SAY THAT DEATH PROOF DELIVERED WHAT'S ON THE POSTER. 60 Mins of bad actresses chatting and 10 mins of car crashes/death and zero "ta-tas" DO NOT A DEFINITIVE GRINDHOUSE MOVIE MAKE!! Re: Polyhy3dron, I love 12 Angry Men and Reservoir Dogs. Two Points: 1) Death Proof was supposed to be a Grindhouse movie, not a talk-fest. That's why most people are let down-to-fucking furious with it. 2) The dialogue in Death Proof is exponentially poorer in execution and writing than either of those films. AND IT'S NOT ON FUCKING PURPOSE. GOD. DO WE REALLY LIVE IN A TIME WHERE WE GO TO THE THEATRE TO HEAR "BAD DIALOGUE" THAT'S NOT EVEN FUNNY OR WINKINGLY OBVIOUS IN ITS BADNESS? We did not get what we were promised, and thus, we're going to burn this fucker to the ground. We expected more from QT, but he threw a bone to the film snobs when he's supposed to be making a POPULIST THRILL RIDE. That doesn't mean it has to be dumb. It should mean that Joe Gear-Head and Moriarty can both enjoy it. It's fucking Grindhouse. Also, the lack of tits in these movies (and no I don't want tits in ALL movies, asses) is lame as well. Modern audiences don't dig directors who claim to be making badass cinema that pays homage to movies that made their bread off showing tits and blood and then COP OUT.
April 9, 2007, 1:47 p.m. CST
by Turkish Star Wars
"comicgeekoid know fuck all" I know how to write complete sentences. I know that. As Above! Happy now?
April 9, 2007, 1:59 p.m. CST
I was at the premiere of Grind house in Austin. I Saw it opening weekend at the Lamar Alamo and just bought tickets to see it again. Grindhouse is far and away the most original and entertaining movie I have watched in my life (I am 50 yo). I normally rag on movies that run much over 90 minutes (after all Mel Brooks told the "History of the World" in 92 minutes) but the 3 hour runtime of Grindhouse seemed to fly by. I thought Planet Terror was great. I Thought the trailers (especially Thanksgiving) were great. I thought Deathproof was great. I loved the fact that not everything was congruent. Like Harry said, "who cares why Dakota has a hypo-flinging gun" it was simply cool and fun. I found out today that I can get my car "deathproofed" for about 10 grand. Finally I can return to the road without fear of those goddamnned SUVs. If you've only got three hours and five minutes to live, I would suggest spending your last minutes on Earth watching Grindhouse . . . it Fucking Rocks like no other movie!!
April 9, 2007, 2:08 p.m. CST
Good point, and I think the most accurate critique on Death Proof comes from the Detroit Free Press: "The problem with "Death Trap" is that it's not about how much Tarantino loves grindhouse. It's about Tarantino loving the way Tarantino loves "Grindhouse," and it's such a self-absorbed ego trip that it disappears up its own endless conversations, in which every woman rattles on in the director's voice, about his favorite old music and movies, and of course, sex."
April 9, 2007, 2:14 p.m. CST
...that felt genuine grindhouse. He may have succeeded, but that doesn't make a it a good movie. The first set of girls, that felt pointless.<p>Also, did he forget that he was making a grindhouse movie halfway through? The first 20 minutes are laden with poor edits, lost reels, etc. Then we get to the car crash and its all glitz, glamour, computer effects - it didn't fit at all with the overall film. <p>From that point on, Tarintino loses (or forgets) the poor cuts, the film scratches, everything. It becomes another Dimension movie. Thank God he had a car chase in there (that starts off original, then becomes predictable, then cliche'd with the hwy stuff) otherwise I imagine people would be asking for half-their money back.<p>Planet Terror? That's cash well spent.
April 9, 2007, 2:25 p.m. CST
Kurt Russell was the bomb. I admit it.
April 9, 2007, 2:33 p.m. CST
by You Dad I Learned it from YOU
when it was called From Dusk Til Dawn
April 9, 2007, 3 p.m. CST
From: http://www.deadlinehollywooddaily.com/what...ith-grindhouse/ Harvey Weinstein told me this morning that he's "incredibly disappointed" with the half-than-expected $12 mil box office for Grindhouse. So much so, that he's considering abandoning the double feature as a single feature concept and re-releasing the movie around the U.S. "in a couple of weeks" as two separate feature-length movies with additional footage put in. That's what Harvey says The Weinstein Co. is already intending to do with the film's release in Europe: split it into two separate pics, Quentin Tarantino's Death Proof and Robert Rodriguez's Planet Terror. "Quentin's movie goes out first in competition at Cannes. He'll do an extensive 4 to 5 month tour. And the trailer will be all Quentin's," Weinstein told me about his European plans. "Then we'll release Robert's a couple of months later. By splitting it up, we're going to do a hell of a lot better internationally than we did here." Weinstein noted that, even in Grindhouse's TV deal with Starz Entertainment Group, it's been sold as two separate movies. "Our deal with Encore is that they can play it any way they want." So this is why The Weinstein Co. is now deciding to suck it up and do in this country what it probably should have done all along. "First of all, I'm incredibly disappointed. We tried to do something new and obviously we didn't do it that well," Harvey told me today. "It's just a question of how is it going to hang in there. But we could split the movies in a couple of weeks. Make Tarantino's a full-length film, and Rodrqiguez's too. We'll be adding those 'two missing reels' that's talked about in the movie." (At one point in Grindhouse, a sex scene is interrupted because of "two missing reels".) Weinstein pointed to several reasons why Grindhouse did so poorly in theaters over Easter weekend. "Our research showed the length kept people away. It was 3 hours and 12 minutes long. We originally intended to get it all in in 2 hours, 30 minutes. That would have been a better time. But the movies ran longer, the [fake] trailers ran longer, everything ran longer," Harvey told me. Weinstein also criticized his own marketing plan. "We didn't educate the South or Midwest. In the West and the East, the movie played well. It played well in strong urban settings. But we missed the boat on the Midwest and the South."
April 9, 2007, 3 p.m. CST
I dunno what the deal with arguing over the gross GH made this weekend, it really was a bad weekend for a movie to come out. I originally intended to see it opening weekend on Sunday, but then realized that it was Easter and I'd have to wait a week. I was going to go that Saturday, but there weren't many showtimes at the local multiplexes (really) for it to be convenient to go see it. One theatre by me was running it on only one screen, so how many showings could it have gotten? Ifigured it would be on at least two screens in any given theatre in my area, but that just wasn't the case. So to all you blowhards that are trying to say no one went because no one was interested, that's just not the case here. It was only on about two-thirds of the screens as the Wil Ferrell flick. Everyone is a damn know-it-all here, BUT I REALLY KNOW IT ALL. ;)
April 9, 2007, 3:06 p.m. CST
by Bob C. Cock
Robert Butler from KansasCity.com had this to say about Deathproof: 'The problem is that while Tarantino was supposed to be paying tribute to grindhouse fare — in this case the car movie and the slasher movie — he couldn’t resist paying tribute to himself. Which is to say that way too much of “Death Proof” is devoted to actresses sitting around spewing “hip” dialogue that advances the story not at all. Instead of roaring into action, vast stretches of the film find the potential victims (among them Rosario Dawson, Vanessa Ferlito, Tracie Thoms, Mary Elizabeth Winstead and veteran stuntwoman Zoe Bell) lolling in cars or barrooms and exchanging meaningless blather. Perhaps Tarantino hoped conversation would make us identify with these young women, thus making their deaths more shocking. But in doing so he violated a prime rule of exploitation movies: They satisfy only if we don’t care about the characters. Besides, all this gabbing means that Russell’s killer, a charming maniac who becomes a sniveling wreck when the tables are turned on him, is absent for long stretches. And he’s the best thing about the segment.'
April 9, 2007, 3:11 p.m. CST
by Right Bastard
"Modern audiences don't dig directors who claim to be making badass cinema that pays homage to movies that made their bread off showing tits and blood and then COP OUT." You are correct, sir. RE:The Weinstein decision. I like the double feature aspect of it, since that's how I experienced it, but if all the "missing reals" that we want to see were taken out, WTF are they waiting for? The fifth DVD release?
April 9, 2007, 3:34 p.m. CST
Did anyone else get confused by the "Death Proof" plot? I got very confused because the general feel of the scenes before the head-on wreck was schlocky...then we go to Zoe Bell and her friends, and it seems to become "real-life". Almost as if we stepped outside of the film, into the real-life actors. It was such a different feel that when Kurt Russell's character reappeared, I wondered, was it the *character* or the *actor who played the character*. I never thought for a second that the Rose McGowan side of the film existed in the same world as the Zoe Bell part. Add to that that the scratchiness and "worn print" look suddenly seemed to become 2007 digital video. Anyone else get confused?
April 9, 2007, 3:51 p.m. CST
Obviously a lot of you don't get it. Supposedly in the old GH era, a lot of the T&A scenes were excised from movies because people would steal these reels for their own use. I knew well in advance that it would go over the heads of people who could never comprehend that there actually was a time when VHS players had not yet existed and are polluted with too much reality TV. Oh, and where they now show infomercials late at night used to be low budget horror movies. What age bracket are we talking about here? Sorry kids, you missed the boat.
April 9, 2007, 3:55 p.m. CST
by You Dad I Learned it from YOU
Not by the plot of DP, but by the utter lack of nudity. I paid full price for an exploitation movie, and I was the one that got exploited, playing the role of duped movie goer #7962. I was also confused by the weak dialogue. I see Tarantino movies more for the dialogue than for the action. And he wasn't doing a Grindhouse movie, he was doing a Tarantino movie, so I expected the goods. I could watch 8 hours of women sitting around a table chatting if Tarantino is delivering the goods with the writing. Alas, it was not to be. He failed us. It's okay. I've acknowledged this and moved on. Can the rest of you?
April 9, 2007, 4:13 p.m. CST
I found it easier to believe in all the exploding-zombie-machine-gun-leg action than I could believe that a bunch of twentysomething girls would sit around debating the merits of Dave Dee, Dozy, Beaky, Mick & Tich (who mostly suck, by the way... heard the song Zabadak? I'll keep Towsend in The Who) and Dirty Mary, Crazy Larry. And they kept saying "MITCH AND TICH" - it's MICK. MICK!
April 9, 2007, 4:43 p.m. CST
by Ultimate Champion
Seek out Garth Marenghi's Darkplace. Best Bad Dialogue ever! Plus a much better chase scene with bicycles.
April 9, 2007, 4:48 p.m. CST
by Ryalto 3.0
where's L'autuer and "Porter." ah, such halcyon days those were, when this site actually had news, and spy reports about things other than Harry's director fun buddies
April 9, 2007, 5:22 p.m. CST
Yeah, right, I'm going to waste even more of my money on Grindhouse. There's no way releasing Gtindhouse in two parts is going to do anything but sink Weinstein even deeper in the red. The word is out and Grindhouse is box office poison. Sure, a few morons will show up so they can smuggly proclaim they saw all the missing bits (you know, the ones that turn Death Proof into a cultural phenom). But, hey, clueless, I don't want to see the ugly chick do a lapdance, and the VAST majority of the miniscule number of boyfans that got swept up by the hype (and got ripped off) will avoid this bisected turd like the POS it is.
April 9, 2007, 5:24 p.m. CST
showed that this movie would suck and flop, and so it did. It sucked and flopped like a sucking flopping thing. The cow entrails never lie.
April 9, 2007, 6:40 p.m. CST
When Stuntman Mike gets axe kicked in the face by Abernathy at the end that made me laugh so damn hard I almost shit my pants! The whole place was up clapping and laughing, it was freaking awesome!
April 9, 2007, 8:02 p.m. CST
Harry, I realize it's, like, so very way 'cool' to bash the Christians on their holiday and all, but can ya spread the love around a little bit? Don't see much "Righteous sticky Mohammad shitting sausage links!' posts from you during Ramadan.
April 9, 2007, 9:05 p.m. CST
it pains me to write this. I had a spot reserved in my top 10 favorite films of all time for Grindhouse; sight unseen. I was convinced that QT and RR somehow knew my specific tastes for shitty 70's exploitation flicks and decided to make a movie just for me; and that movie would be Grindhouse. So I gladly left my parent's house on Easter Sunday as early as possible to catch a show on the opening weekend. And my heart sank as I sat for 3 hours and 11 minutes then left the theatre underFUCKINGwhelmed. What's worse is that the guy that ruined this movie for me is the man I had thought was the savior of contemporary film, Quentin Tarantino. He definitely lost me on this one. QT needs to realize that some of the ideas he thinks are 'totally fucking awesome' while he's on a coke binge are not in fact 'awesome' or even good at all. I honestly think that QT stopped making movies for average everyday film geeks that work regular 9 to 5's and went to making movies for film geeks that work in the film industry 'only' with Death Proof. I will say that Planet Terror was decent. Machete, Don't, and even Werewolf Women of the SS were good. However, the part of Grindhouse that was the best part of the entire film was (and holy shit I can't believe I'm saying THIS) was Eli Roth's 'Thanksgiving'. He nailed it with that one. But holy shit Quentin, what the fuck? I wish I could tell him that I'm happy life is so damn great for him and that I'm sure it's fun to get drunk with your fellow film buddies in Austin, Texas but don't write and film an entire movie that is basically a blow job for that inner circle of your friends. I feel like he betrayed the entire geek community! To be fair, the title sequence was cool; and Kurt's first kill was cool but that was IT. Fuck.
April 9, 2007, 9:24 p.m. CST
by Bronx Cheer
<p>I saw Grindhouse last night, and I was disappointed. The chase sequence and stunts by Zoe Bell were awesome, but it until then it was uninspired and boring. And for my money, if I want to hear "realistic" dialogue, I'll have a fucking conversation? I don't go to movies to see someone attempt to show me real life. Movies aren't real, so don't act like they are capable of delivering authentic real life. Movies can deliver amazing stories and truths, but even documentaries struggle to depict "reality." When I go to see a movie called "Grindhouse," for the love of all things holy, I don't want an ABC Afterschool special.</p> <p>These words by Harry deserve another look: If you had a miserable time - that's your loss. I absolutely love it. Seen it twice now, and Yoko is demanding I take her as soon as she's back from SC. I found the dialogue to be highly realistic and entertaining. Feel free to disagree though, it is your loss, not mine."</p> <p>Why is it our loss? Because you're right and we're wrong? Harry, opinions aren't right or wrong, they're just different. There is no way on this Earth that you could have reviewed "Grindhouse" any differently than you did. From the moment the Alamo Drafthouse appears on screen, this movie was guaranteed to give you a great time, and that is great. It's a wonderful thing to see our love on screen, be it a city or a sport. But if we disagree with you, be a grown-up about it.</p> <p>And Immortal_Fish was dead-on. Harry, you should be ashamed of yourself for your disrespectful treatment of Christians. I don't recall ever reading you slam Jews like you do Christians. That's because you now you'd get your ass destroyed on this site, and rightfully so. I'm an atheist, and I cringe when I read your narrow-minded words. (I also cringe at your butchering of the English language, but you can't help it if you're illiterate.) Why do you think it's acceptable to tear down Christians? That doesn't make you liberal, it makes you a bigot. A rotten little small-minded bigot. In other words, a typical Texan. Go fuck a cow, you lousy excuse for redhead. And pass the sauce.</p> <p>And before any of you douchebags jump on me for being bigoted toward Texans, I'm employing the tools bigotry to make a point. It's called rhetoric. Now, go back to loving on each other, you sexy beasts.</p>
April 9, 2007, 9:26 p.m. CST
by Bronx Cheer
You see, Harry does stuff like that and he makes it impossible for me to hate him.
April 9, 2007, 9:30 p.m. CST
by Quake II
I am not comparing Death Proof to Lord Of The Rings. Let's be realistic. The LOTR movies are epic motion pictures....Classics (to some). Death Proof is a tribute to exploitation cinema. I like LOTRings movies. I also like Grindhouse. I would watch Grindhouse a lot on dvd (or at least parts). I own all 3 extended LOTR videos and never watch them, but admit they are better made and classics....Just very sloooow classics.
April 9, 2007, 9:48 p.m. CST
by Quake II
if you want to watch them more than once, you're a pretty sick individual. The stuff I've seen (Naked Massacre, Ilsa,She Wolf Of The SS,Gore Gore Girls,Blood For Dracula,Bloodsucking Freaks,I Drink Your Blood,I Spit On Your Grave etc) is pretty disturbing and is a good 1 time watch only (except Naked Massacre. I wish I had NEVER seen that one). I agree that the title Grindhouse is misleading and I still think an NC-17 rating was a must for this film. Death Proof needed to be 25 minutes longer with some more Stuntman Mike killing scenes. Then it would have been perfect exploitation. But I did like it and thought it flew by...Dialogue and all.
April 9, 2007, 9:50 p.m. CST
Not that I care that much for box-office grosses, but the fact that people stayed away in droves from this film does say something. First off, I'm a big QT fan (Rodriguez has my total respect, but I'm not a "fan"). But this film seems to be a clear sign that QT is utterly devoid of original ideas and overly enamored with his own dialogue. Death Proof is soooooo fat. The scenes between both sets of girls are just brutally tedious and ridiculously long. Sure, in real life or on a movie set, I too would love to hang with these hotties, but I don't want to spend an hour of "movie time" listening to their banal crap! Planet Terror is better. At least it stays true to the shlocky side of "grind house" cinema. And it's got some descent action and some genuinely good performances (Michael Biehn and Jeff Fahey as brothers: brilliant!) Look, it's no masterpiece, but it's the better of the two films. Overall, I found myself bored with the whole concept and facing a stark realization that "post-modernist cinema" is very played out. It was fun 10 years ago, but it's so prevelent everywhere now, that a film like Grindhouse just seems like a big waste of time. And at 3 hours, it's a lot of time to waste on homages to superficial old genres that failed to hit a nerve the first time around.
April 9, 2007, 10:33 p.m. CST
by Mace Tofu
All those HOT women and we are only teased. I thought the rule was Titties every 10 minutes in a "reel" grindhouse film. Plus the only full-on titties from the film you could see for free online in the THANKSGIVING trailer they posted? Where is Mr. Corman when you need him. Where is Crown International? There is really no reason GRINDHOUSE didn't have 12 hot shower scenes in it ( or 4 shower scenes if the women in DP showered in 2 groups but hey I didn't write DP but if I did there would be less talk and more soap) I still think some of the GH BO went to the PG movies as kids snuck into GRINDHOUSE because it would of been a hard sell on Easter weekend to get their parent to drop them off to see GRINDHOUSE VS BLADES or ROBINSONS.
April 9, 2007, 10:39 p.m. CST
by Bronx Cheer
just ask Harry to lift up his shirt.
April 9, 2007, 10:42 p.m. CST
I know you've been busy, but you promised a review, and I want to hear what a non-Canadian thinks - we tend to overpraise our good movies sometimes.....
April 9, 2007, 11:04 p.m. CST
I Reposted the script you asked me for. Its on Triggerstreet. Go to where it says browse screenplays. Its called ONEWAY. I wrote it three years ago. Unlike some flicks about cars, I deliver the goods. Other aintitcoolers can just ignore this post. This is not shameless promotion. I was called out by MrFan.
April 9, 2007, 11:11 p.m. CST
WTF? "Rolling Thunder?"
April 9, 2007, 11:34 p.m. CST
If you're going to bitch about this movie being shit when knowing it was trying to be shit... DON'T!!! If you saw this film based on Harry's review considering your opinion that he likes shit films and then thinking it's genuine shit, but fun shit, but it wasn't and you're about to complain... DON'T!!! If you're even thinking about making something like this a new AICN cathphrase... DON'T!!!
April 10, 2007, 3:19 a.m. CST
by Triumph poops!
And by the way, sorry if I seemed raggy in my LOTR post. I've been sick as a dog the last few days, so something you inadvertantly post while in a sickly, grumpy mood. Anyway, I agree that the LOTR films are classics and, yes, they are pretty slow moving (least the first two were to me)...<p>...But I REALLY agree on the idea that GRINDHOUSE should have been a balls out, full fledged NC-17 film to get back to true grindhouse cinema roots. If they had they gone all out in that way, I think the controversial rating coupled with the media buzz it would have generated would have drastically spiked interested in the thing and certainly helped the box office (if not opening weekend given that it was Easter, then certainly in the weeks thereafter). Not to mention, if Tarantino had gone NC-17 and done MORE car, MORE gore, MORE Kurt in an over the top grindhouse way, half the bitching here about the overly long dialoque scenes and dragging pace would be moot.<p>So, yeah, I think they blew it there. They should have made the films for less, but likewise gone more balls out in terms of the actual onscreen envelopes of "taste" that they were pushing.
April 10, 2007, 5:01 a.m. CST
I didn't call you out. In the first post I stated that if any of the whiners here think they can do better at making their movies then by all means make one. You popped up saying you had a script. A great script. You told me where to even look at this script. Well, I did. I went to the site.It wasn't there. Probably been up too long and it was now gone. No problem. In my second post, directed at you, I told you that. Now you come back here and exclaim that I called you out and that your script is there for showing. Well, good for you. I will look at it. I enjoy reading scripts whether they have been made into movies or not. I love to see how the writer envisioned his/her own vision before it hits the screen to be made. I am sorry that you cannot get it made. Not my problem. But please don't even suggest I was calling you out. You are a funny person MrFacety thinking that.
April 10, 2007, 6:39 a.m. CST
It sounds like you're making excuses for the film. Stop it, man. GRINDHOUSE stands on its own. If people don't get it, they don't get it. You shouldn't have to talk them into it. If you do--end up talking them into it--they'll never ever truly enjoy the film, much less get the film. They'll only ever see what you told them to see. I'm a firm believer that a film needs to stand on its own. You shouldn't need an explaination before or after...unless you're watching a David Lynch film, and you just want to see what the flying F's other people got out of it. To give you a point of reference, I also grew up in the 70's watching double features in the back part of town. I watched a lot that sort of stuff you described. And I frequented the drive-ins whenever I could find someone to take me. I loved a good many of these films, and I hated a good many of them. I too have fond memories of the whole experience. But, now, just like then, some of those movies did it for me, some didn't. Because of that, I don't think you have to relate to a moment in time to get it. Certain people find certain things entertaining while others find something else entirely entertaining. Nothing wrong with that. I, personally, found PLANET TERROR much more entertaining than DEATHPROOF. I, personally, found the concept for 3 out of the 4 trailers much more entertaining than DEATHPROOF. I liked DEATHPROOF, but it was the least of the entire package in my opinion. And it's nothing to do with the "Grindhouse era" that led me to this belief. If folks want to see a more successful attempt at DEATHPROOF, again in my opinion, I'd recommend DUEL. DEATHPROOF kinda reminds me of DUEL meets that recent Paul Walker picture where that trucker harrasses that bunch of kids in the hotel room. That and maybe a little of William Shatner from IMPULSE. Again, none of this is bad, but if you see where I'm coming from (I don't live in Austin), you can see I've got no ties to the local. This is my out and out reaction to the film as I saw it...a film...no matter the day of its release.
April 10, 2007, 7:48 a.m. CST
I thought the missing reel thing totally worked in PLANET TERROR, but I thought it was overkill in DEATH PROOF. Here's why. PLANET TERROR was totally tongue-and-cheek. The missing reel was part of the gag, and fit perfectly without feeling forced or gimmicky. DEATH PROOF for me was a much more serious film. The missing reel here was out of place and interrupted the flow of the moment. PLANET TERROR was much more grainy and poppy. There were various scenes where you thought the film was about to burn through or jump the reel. DEATH PROOF didn't have any of that. The missing reel thing just kind of came out of nowhere and seemed more like it was there more to skip ahead in the film than to cheat the audience out of anything they really wanted to see, which is what it was aimed at. Why not show the lap dance there and trim the text messaging thing which, I'm sorry Harry, led to absolutely nowhere. Besides, I thought the first half of the film was more about the friend from out of town than Jungle Julia. I didn't really care one stink for her. She seems more of a prop to advance the story than anything else. Oh. And I too thought the first and second half of the DEATH PROOF film was like watching two separate films. Kurt's character was John Wayne in the first half, he was punk-ass in the second half. He seemed like two different characters. That he's willing to go through injury after injury with each kill seems totally inconsistent with his behavior at the end of the film. I'm a Tarentino fan, but I'm not a Tarentino apologist. The man's not perfect. I think he slightly missed the mark here. Like I said, it was a good film, DEATH PROOF. It just wasn't a great film. It wasn't JACKIE BROWN great or KILL BILL great or RESERVOIR DOGS great. Sorry. Every director has an off day at least once in his career. If this is his off day, that's pretty freakin good. And it promises plenty for things to come.
April 10, 2007, 10:25 a.m. CST
I totally agree about Death Proof. My real problem with it, was it was neither what QT promised a throwback to the Grindhouse B movie features of yore, nor compelling as a modern piece. If this wasn't the great Tarantino directing, I bet no one would give a shit about that movie. The same can apply to Planet Terror but, at least that made good on the schlock.
April 10, 2007, 10:55 a.m. CST
by im nar
i find it very ironic that people use long dragged out dialog to complain about the long dragged out dialog in "deathproof". i loved both the movies...obviously alot of you don't realize this is how alot of women really talk and as far as them willing to leave the youngest one with the hillbilly. women throw their friends under the truck selfishly ALL the time. you're assuming she is defenseless against him. why can't you assume she knows 7 different martial art techinques? none of the villians in the drive-in grindhouse movies were fleshed out or got to dominate the screen. the movie was about the women not kurt russell. both movies were about the empowerment of kick ass women. i loved them.
April 10, 2007, 11:19 a.m. CST
a fantastically fun movie, then see planet terror. if you like watching a man verbally jerk off on celluloid for 1hr 20 minutes, then see death proof. tarantino must have been sitting in the passenger seat of the vehicle that he made the movie out of, cuz he si dead to me. self involved bullshit is death proof. ugh.
April 10, 2007, 11:33 a.m. CST
First I want to say that the first time I watched Grind House I felt that Planet Terror was the strongest movie. But after watching it again I've actually come to appreciate not only Death Proof but the movie as a whole. After reading a talk backers theory about how he thought the ending was shown first in Death Proof I was curious enough to watch it again to see if it was true and I've come to the conclusion that indeed the ending was shown first. I'll explain. 1. In Planet Terror while Fergie's character is driving we hear the radio DJ mention the death of Jungle Julia (or what ever her name was). This tells me that even though they are two different stories they are both in the same world. Not only that but that the two stories are happening within the same time period. 2. You see the two annoying baby sitters from Planet Terror in the first half of Death Proof. They are walking into a bar I believe. This means that the events in Planet Terror haven't happened yet. You also see the female blonde doctor as well as her dad (the sheriff) in the beginning of Death Proof. The sheriff is asking the doctor what the condition of Stuntman Mike is. It's obvious to me from the observations above that the first half of Death Proof happens right before the events of Planet Terror. If that is so, then there is no way that the second half of Death Proof could happen without a single zombie walking around or at least a mention of the facking outbreak. I also noticed that the car is different in the first half of Death Proof than in the second. In the first half he had thick glass between that passenger and driver. In the second half you don't see that and it doesn't seem like the car is "Death Proof" yet. Especially since when he's side swiped by the 3 chicks at the end he's halfway out of the car crying like a little bitch. Why would his MO change after the first killings after it worked so well? Also, you'll notice that his demeanor is totally different in the second half of the movie. besides being a little bitch, he doesn't seem interested in actually killing the three girls as much as just fucking with them. Maybe he saw Zoe on the hood of the car and thought, "Hey, they're stunt people too, let me join the fun" While he is clearly out to kill the three girls in the first half. What threw me off was the fact that Rosario Dawson's character kicks his face in at the end of the movie therefore making it impossible for the events of the first half to happen. But maybe he is a ghost in the first half of the movie and that's why practically nothing happens to him when he collides with the first 3 chicks at over 100 miles an hour. Or maybe they didn't kill him and just left him for dead.
April 10, 2007, 11:59 a.m. CST
Youre with this hot girl at prom and you know youre gonna get some pussy at the end of it all but you have to suffer through all the boring bullshit that comes before the actual moment! I liked the last half of death proof but I had to walk out of the theater for a minute because the asinine dialogue Taratino wrote for this movie was making me wanna gouge my eyeballs out. It wasnt witty or engaging like the banter of Pulp Fiction or Resevoir Dogs, it was like eavesdropping on your sisters conversations with her hot stupid friends who can babble about nothing for hours. I do agree that Stuntman Mike was awesome and a few minutes more of him and about 15 minutes less of girl chatter would of made Death Proof leaps and bounds more enjoyable.
April 10, 2007, 12:39 p.m. CST
Yeah...I am seeing this shit again and again. I am pirating this shit from bootlegs and forcing people to watch both these fucking things. Because I can't explain why movies like Road Games and fucking The Boogey Man have haunted me since fucking childhood...Or Night of the Comet...which Rodriguez' flick fucking owns like ranch land in southwest Texas. I want more fucking Earl McGraw. I want Earl McGraw, the Sherriff, in every fucking movie ever made. Holy shit on toast. Michael Beihn is fucking GOD. Kurt Russell is fucking GOD'S RIGHT NUT...and while I don't like Jeff Fahey because of Lawnmower Man, he won me over...he truly is the fucking Best in Texas. The dialogue in Death Proof was good...because it gave me time to take a fucking piss, and I knew I wasn't going to miss anything. Thanks QT for giving me license to piss during this thing. Shit...Eli Roth is someone that you either love or hate I guess...and I happened to like Cabin Fever. I never did catch hostel, but I guess that's for the best, as the reviews have been pretty mixed. But fuck, "Thanksgiving" is one that I would go see...three times. And I want Grindhouse on fucking VHS. I want it in the shittiest cardboard box, with a fucking Vestron Video logo on it...or better yet one of those big - ass brown clamshell plastic cases with the fucking shitty paper inserts....Grindhouse is like my fucking childhood came back to life and SHOT ITSELF IN THE FUCKING FRONT SEAT!!! Man, I just wish there had been a stinger of that cheerleader blowing that dude from Little Nicky...fucking HILARIOUS. Oh yeah, spoiler alert. Sorry, I fucking loved this movie...and fucking DON'T...OH SHIT. If they don't get around to doing that movie...it would be a fucking shame....what they should have done with this is put a fucking budget cap on the flicks, and try to get the damned things made with only a shoestring...fucking force both these guys to do what they did to get into the position they're in in the first fucking place...but again...great fucking flicks both of them...And in conclusion...I want to see the fucking movie where Tom Savini (who's the nicest fucking guy in all of geekdom next to Neil Gaiman that I have ever had the fucking chance to hang with) gets to fucking live...."Shame you had to die...Sex Machine fucking ruled, dude.." "Yeah, but I got to be a fucking vampire, man." Death Proof is fucking great and so is Planet Terror. I'm going to go towel off now. But shit, man. This was the most fun I've had in a theater in a while.
April 10, 2007, 1:26 p.m. CST
Fucking Nick Frost as a giant shit-covered man-baby....Oh fucking Pink Flamingos Christ is that fucking spot-on Grindhouse.... About the DP being shot back to front, or the end of the movie shown first...it would make sense that some projectionist that didn't give a shit would splice the reels backwards after stealing the lapdance scene, and then catch his fuck up and replace the opening title sequence and title card and ending titles and ending card with his own fucking stuff...I mean that makes sense in the 'theme park' aspect of this experience...But I don't know if it's true...I'll have to watch it again...Though McGraw's explanation of his pathology a la 'Psycho' might be an indicator that this was the end or even the middle of the flick...What we saw was the chopped-up shreds of a tale passed around the campfire...the celluloid version of the telephone game...Either you get that aspect of it, and you accept that this was a worthy attempt or you don't...QT still is gonna get my money this weekend when I see it again.
April 10, 2007, 1:34 p.m. CST
"Then Quentin asked me how it stacked up as an Austin film." Um...who the phuck cares?
April 10, 2007, 1:35 p.m. CST
Sorry MrFan, Its just that Terantino WAS one of my favorites and I expected more from him. The script is up on Triggerstreet. Go to screenplay section to "browse scripts". Its called ONEWAY. Its not polished. Its the only version I could find on my hard drive. I no longer write. I can't compete with playstation 3 and Spiderman. Nobody can. Have a good one.
April 10, 2007, 1:35 p.m. CST
Whats worse than sitting through one crappy film? Sitting through two strung together!
April 10, 2007, 1:35 p.m. CST
Can I have a few of your effing adderall? Haha. Nice post, even if I'm at the opposite end of the sinking boat of crap that is Grindhouse.
April 10, 2007, 1:36 p.m. CST
..... and a box office fiasco. People are not that stupid.
April 10, 2007, 1:39 p.m. CST
Yeah, I gagged all right!
April 10, 2007, 1:41 p.m. CST
April 10, 2007, 1:44 p.m. CST
From now all, it doesn't matter who produced a film, their name WILL NOT appear on the credits. All Hollywood movies will now read Produced by Crack, Rock, or Coke! It's more honest that way!
April 10, 2007, 1:48 p.m. CST
Before I begin my review, I’d like to apologize for the lateness of this review… I’ve been trying to justify liking this wretched piece of junk. We all know it's shit, but I have to save face as I rant on and on about QT and RR. Now, I haveto be honest... Oh wait, whats this? (opens envelope) Aw, shit it's a check from QT. Ok, Lets start over.... Before I begin my review, I’d like to apologize for the lateness of this review… I’ve been moving, and for the past 9 days I’ve been netless… with the exception of a bouncy wifi signal that I literally have to bounce off a metal door at my carport – at a 65 degree angle to get two bars of wifi glory.
April 10, 2007, 2:26 p.m. CST
Watching GRINDHOUSE was probably the best cinematic experience I've ever had. It tested my bladder, for sure, but I can't wait to see it again. Much thanks to the filmmakers.
April 10, 2007, 4:17 p.m. CST
As for Nordling, I always had a soft spot for him - knowing his dad died from cancer.
April 10, 2007, 4:22 p.m. CST
Elipses....fucking....RULE....EVERY....THING...Man. Hey, Doh Doh, I don't need no stinking medications. :) I just am amped about this flick, is all. But I can see why people will either hate it outright or just shit all over it. It's either something you appreciate for its own shittiness, and go, "Okay...I just saw a shit covered man-baby...and that was the fucking HIGHLIGHT of this flick." Or...its something just shitty enough to make you go..."..did I just sit through an hour of ladies bitching about the difference between Shanna and Shauna?" So I understand if your ass sat there and got fed the fuck up. But I'm not the fucking guy who sat there and watched it...I went and took a leak, and cut a wicked fart, then came back into the theater just as they arrived at that restaurant where Stuntman Mike waited for them, smelling vaguely of Shit Covered Man-Baby myself. So, maybe by going and taking a whizz, I broke the "Matrix" and did exactly as someone is supposed to do when confronted with boring non-plot important shit...or maybe I just wanted this movie to kick ass so bad that my brain broke and now I've gone insane. Selling Points: Where are you going to see a goddamned topless Nazi werewolf, Sybill Danning, and Nicholas Cage as motherfucking Fu Man Chu outside of this movie?? Heaven, maybe...but really? Nowhere. So yeah, this is two fucking guys spending their indie cred like a celebutarded Hilton sister by making ego-stroke films like this, but for me, this shitty pile of explosions and (--hey dudes, plenty o' titties in this movie. The trailers are soaked in titties...and, uh, machetes.) blood soaked gore, and loooong winded ladies sitting around yip-yapping about nothing in particular until the natural course of things brings them a white-hot juggernaut of a Stuntman Mike Nova tire right into their yippity yappity "oh so cool" mouths. But, hell...I don't protect the things I love like a fierce mother tiger. I don't think I need to. I love them on their own merits, and if you don't I can respect that. I can even respect if you take a long and loving shit on them, because you hate them for being what they are. This is coming from a guy who owns, likes, and watches consistently Men in Black II...Why? Because I think that putting fucking Biz Markie in the movie as a beat-boxing alien is fucking genius. For me, this movie struck the exact right note. Also, I think this movie is like half of one of those conversations where you talk with someone, and they just like the same shit you do...but it's just their half of the conversation...If you don't like the same shit, and in the same way, then you think what they're saying is either stupid shit or nonsense. I guess you're either someone who likes Michael Biehn in Terminator or Michael Biehn in Tombstone. Or, you're like me, and believe that Michael Biehn should be delivering the Beat-ass-itudes at my church this Sunday, and that Canon, Golan Globus, and Orion should still be film studios. Fucking Deadly Friend...The dude in that flick turned the robot from Riptide into a hottie robot killer...GENIUS. Fucking genius that didn't give a shit about anything other than putting that shit on screen and selling it for a few bucks on tape. Long live dudes who will sell out their fans to make me happy. And hey, sorry you folks who didn't like it, but I'm sure you won't go see it again, and RR and QT won't ever make another movie....Or, it could be that they view the lot of us on the internet carping about this shit as shit covered man-babies....Love and kisses, Micturating Benjamin.
April 10, 2007, 6:31 p.m. CST
by Buzz Maverik
There have been many FUN slasher films but only a severed handful of good ones. Pretty much TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE and HALLOWEEN. I'm talking the originals, which are the only ones that exist, right. They've never been remade or sequelized and they never will be, DO YOU HEAR ME? We had to know the potential victims. In HALLOWEEN, I call them Jamie Leigh, PJ, and that other Chick. In TCM, we had Sally, Franklin and the Future Head Cheese Players. It's the same with DEATH PROOF.<p>Tarantino was never going to make a straight up exploitation movie, and if he did, he came closer with KILL BILL VOL. 1. We had to know the girls, like and dislike them a little and see them interact with Stuntman Burt. In a traditional slasher flick, they would have been picked off one by one. Instead, we get a set up. I liked how the Hollywood girls were very different than the Austin girls, although I generally don't like movies about "movie" people because it always seems like the filmmaker is losing touch. Still, we needed a set up for Zoe Bell.<p>I think the difference between DEATH PROOF and PLANET TERROR is in the slight difference between QT's and RR's ages. Like someone said, PLANET TERROR seemed like a really good Cannon Film, while DEATH PROOF was a more like a '70s film. Movies were paced differently before STAR WARS, RAIDERS, and THE ROAD WARRIOR. I liked both movies, but I'm favoring DEATH PROOF a little.
April 10, 2007, 8:40 p.m. CST
by Lev Myshkin
In Planet Terror, did anybody catch the homage to QT when Marley Shelton's, character had Kill Bill written on her notepad? Her husband was named Bill.
April 11, 2007, 12:11 a.m. CST
its obvious the reaction to any DP defenders is : "well you obviously are in high school if you didnt like DP" or "youre mysoginic bc you thought the bitches shouldve died" admit it, the dialogue was god awful. if anyone can give a reasoned argument for the scene in the diner which was 30 minutes too long, then have at it bc it seems that you love DP bc Qt's name is attached to it and people talk alot (so it has to be good right?). the characters were so damn cliched. kurt rusell fucking saved DP from being a complete bomb. and another thing if some1 like PT its bc they are shallow and dont appreciate good dialogue or what not. die talkbackers. while im at it, harry your reviews suck, any1 you know you love their movies and any1 you dont know you love their movies. i will never trust you after your van helsing review although i would like to see you do another blade 2 style review. how about do it for pans labrynth since we never got a full review for that
April 11, 2007, 1:46 a.m. CST
If you think Deathproof was shallow, there's something to consider: what if the second half took place before the first half? why is no one talking about this?!?!?!?! IT MAKES SENSE!!! His car doesn't have the death logo yet. he's a pussy because : he really was just fucking with them! he really was apologizing like a pussy because: he'd never done this before! The cops ask what made a guy this way, and someone (resplicing reels from a more linear movie?) edits to the earlier part of the real movie where we reveal what made stuntman mike a killer. that first time he tried to play with some stuntgirls and they nearly killed him. note the bottle of booze in his glovebox, which he learned was a bad move (in the 1st-half/later-part he notes being a teetotaller). Note the similarity of the girls in the first half, almost as if he's stalking them because they resemble the stuntgirls, and how mike comments on the black girls hair (so similar to the stunt girls hair curly tricked out hair). i'll have to see it again to really confirm that I'm not missing a definitive problem with this approach to the movie. but if it holds up under scrutiny, then this movie WAS NOT ultimately a girl power flic. It just let you enjoy it that way. It slipped past everybody due to the chaos of the double bill, and you were all distracted by the oddly long dialogue, and the desire to see blood. I'd like to think tarantino put all those records in the first half to welcome us into the second viewing and make it more comfortable to endure the dialogue distraction. But you say: Didn't StuntMan Mike die in those final frames before the credits? welllll it is called DEATH PROOF (...for the luvva mike)(?). just a thought i have to write out before hitting the hay.
April 11, 2007, 1:51 a.m. CST
Someone did mention that, in Mori's review. I thought it sounded cool too, but it ain't so. If for nothing else, the actual script says "14 Months Later" before the Rosario Dawson part begins.
April 11, 2007, 2:05 a.m. CST
by JERRY HORROR
me finally decide to get off my ass and move to Austin. How do you think a guy from Queens will fare down there?
April 11, 2007, 2:13 a.m. CST
But in the 20 minute table conversation scene, I caught my friend snoring! The whole theater heard him snoring! People nowadays just want a quick thrill. I don't care how well or how bad this movie does in theaters or what people think of it. It was one of the best times I had in the movies in a really long time. That's all that matters. Screw the haters. Damn pessimists.
April 11, 2007, 6:25 a.m. CST
For those who don't have all day to get to Harry's opinion, start with "If I have a single complaint about GRINDHOUSE..."
April 11, 2007, 6:42 a.m. CST
See what I did there? That brilliant play on words? <p>Here's a half hour interview with Q where he addresses much of the complaints I seem to be seeing here RE: length, dialogue, pacing, what Grindhouse was meant to be and what it wasn't, what Death Proof was meant to be and what it wasn't... <p>But fair warning: this is a 30 minute "interview" and there are lots of pesky little things called "words" so if you're not a big fan of paying attention, you may want to steer clear. <p>From 3/28 in L.A.: http://www.kcrw.com/etc/programs/tt/tt070328quentin_tarantino
April 11, 2007, 10:08 a.m. CST
Just fucking brilliant. I'd heard "Planet Terror" was unwatchable. Who the fuck are these movie reviewers? I cannot wait to own it! And "Death Proof." That's a movie where the ending had better pay off big to make you sit through that horrendous dialog. QT delivered. I laughed through tears the last 10 minutes of the flick. I think "Death Proof" is flawed in that QT wrote it in the style of QT. I think it would have been more obvious that he's making fun of/paying homage to that specific piece of the grindhouse milieu that is all about, "Okay, we can afford a big, explosive finish but how do we get there? I know! Hot women saying really bad, boring dialog for an hour!" The problem is it's dialog QT style so people generally either love it because they love his style or think it's boring and overwritten in a self-absorbed way, not on purpose. In both cases, they miss the point. But whatever. It's worth the 10 bucks just to see DON'T.
April 11, 2007, 11:46 a.m. CST
I too thought Death Proof started with the second half of the story, that's how I read it.
April 11, 2007, 12:54 p.m. CST
Actually, they should have gone all Amazon Women on The Moon and interuppted throughout Planet Terror with an hour and half of these trailers. Cut Deathproof from it completely or edit it to around 45 minutes and shown before Planet Terror. The only good thing about Deathproof is Kurt and instead we get some of the most tedious moments in movie history. I would have rather spent my time watching the man they call MACHETE!
April 11, 2007, 5:53 p.m. CST
that shit was hilarious gold! We had it shown in Van BC as the next to last "real" trailer before the film - did Harry or anyone else see it? The wideshot on the boat with the dude running near the end of the trailer was awesome! Sold! Fucking great knowledge there. Priceless - what a great setup for the rest of the night though I would differ with Harry on Deathproof - it felt slow and maybe too much character development at first, which QT obviously loves/is obsessed with, to the detriment of pacing when you get the RR film first. Could have been 20 -30 minutes less and be a much better paced film for the what preceded it. It leaves one yawning until the action with the second set of girls start happening. Harry was maybe covering for QT on this score when he waxed eloquently of texting, trying to divert and pervert attention away from this flaw. Still a great and at times hilarious picture though for those of us familiar with film. Yeah I went houses in Montreal where'd they show the weirdest triple, double and quadruple features.
April 11, 2007, 6:41 p.m. CST
Those New World films-JACKSON COUNTY JAIL, DEATH RACE 200 and others-Oh Yeah!
April 11, 2007, 8:28 p.m. CST
C'mon, somebody had to say it...
April 11, 2007, 9:54 p.m. CST
...as can be reasonably expected. I simply love this movie--each and every frame of it. It reminds me why I love films so much. Planet Terror is an insanely fun ride, and everything about Death Proof is brilliant (if I weren't so selfish, I'd be embarrassed for those who were discouraged by the dialogue). I cannot wait to get Grindhouse on DVD so I can keep it running in the background nonstop for at least a month. And on the subject of the DVD, my anticipation for what QT and RR will cook up in terms of both extended cuts and bonus content is nothing less than feverish. So... no complaints here. Only appreciation for what I consider to be truly great cinema. If my tastes are esoteric, so be it.
April 11, 2007, 10:06 p.m. CST
by Bronx Cheer
You have to be kidding!
April 12, 2007, 1:01 a.m. CST
Deathproof does drag a little during some of the ladies dialogue, with a little tightening it would be excellent instead of just good. I too am of the mind that the movie starts with the second half. Kurts character switch is just too drastic, plus the fact that both films are set in the same timeframe. With Kurt showing up in the hospital, and no zombies/mention of the outbreak by the extremely chatty ladies, it leads me to believe that his run-in with the stunt ladies came first, forcing him to change tactics. No longer attacking during the day, reinforcing his car, staying in the car, no longer drinking etc... The script may have said 14 months later, but that may have been changed to allow QT to tinker with the idea a little and include little nods to PT. Anyway, would definitely recommend this to anyone looking for a good, fun movie - though expect to roll your eyes at some of QT's dialogue.
April 12, 2007, 3:31 a.m. CST
by Supervillain Outcast
Stuntman Mike wasn't just 'playfully' fucking with these girls as some suggest. You may have forgotten that he was watching them with his binoculars from the distance before he sped off after them, so you know full-well that it was planned.
April 12, 2007, 3:32 a.m. CST
is one of the best controlled films I've ever seen. I've always liked Tarantino as a director, but until now I've never been outright amazed. But holy shit. There isn't one frame wasted. Listening to the complaints about the dialogue make me feel like I was at a different movie. I genuinely think it's his most accomplished film yet. It's got Hitchcock bones.<br><br>And the killer is, I don't think Planet Terror is any less of a film by comparison. It's a completely different language. Planet Terror didn't let me catch my breath, and Death Proof had me holding it.<br><br>Best time I've had at the talkies in a damn long while. Thanks guys.
April 12, 2007, 12:53 p.m. CST
Was cool, but I got a little tired of being told how great Vanishing Point was. Did QT really think people watching Grindhouse wouldn't be familiar with its inspirations? What happened to paying tribute by letting the film do the talking instead of the characters repeatedly spelling it out? I was also a little disappointed by Zoe's fate, even though the lengthy table conversation had already removed any doubt as to what it would be.
April 12, 2007, 2:59 p.m. CST
...while Death Proof was wonderous. I say just cut Planet Terror out of Grindhouse, replace Eli Roth's juvenile Thanksgiving trailer with Hobo With A Shotgun, and re-release it. Now we're talking.
April 12, 2007, 6:38 p.m. CST
Check it out: http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/TheGrindHouse/
April 13, 2007, 4:36 p.m. CST
I don't get all the hate for PT - the movie was hilarious - a love letter to every 70's/80's action horror movie. Actors were top notch, effects were incredible and the film was hilarious. I haven't laughed so hard in a film in a long time. Can't wait to see Rodriguez's next!!
April 14, 2007, 4:27 a.m. CST
by Wonder Man
...an across-the-board hit, but can somebody tell the Weinsteins that?!? People in high places need to persuade them to stop their ridiculous plan to release PLANET TERROR and DEATH PROOF as seperate films. I WANT MY GRINDHOUSE DOUBLE FEATURE EXPERIENCE!!!!! I don't want to suffer for living in Australia and middle America's lack of taste!! ARE WE DONE YET beat it out?!?! BLADES OF GLORY?!?!? What the hell???!?!
April 14, 2007, 6:56 a.m. CST
Harry loves Grindhouse....shocking....NOT! We all knew forever that he would. And it's a shame we never got Harry's thought/review of 300. And why's that? Because Zach Snyder didn't kiss Harry's obese pimply ass. You've sold out Harry and that's truly sad.
April 14, 2007, 6:18 p.m. CST
by Jack Burton
Not as good as I hoped but still worth checking out for genre fans. I thought Death Proof, while dragging in spots, was the better picture. Planet Terror had all the elements, it just came off as cheesy and didn't really take the idea seriously. It's gory as hell and has some fun bits but it makes little sense and tries way too hard to be "bad". And that missing reel better be back in the DVD. It was funny but come on man, I gotta see how Hicks gets taken down. But Death Proof was the shit. I just wish Russel had kicked more ass before he got stomped on. That being said, Eli Roth need never be shown on screen again. Is it necessary for everything out of his mouth (or pen) to be mysogynistic? Don't tell me he was playing a character, every fucking movie he's made has the same vibe. I was hoping that Stuntman Mike would demonstrate his car for Eli but it was not to be.
April 15, 2007, 2:51 a.m. CST
by Jon E Cin
I dont get it "bombing". I saw it opening night to a sold out fun crowd. One of my best theater experiences ever! Tonight I just got back from watching it and again it was sold out and people were cheering and going crazy. The only people that walked out were 3 daughters and there mom...but cmon why are they there in the first place?
April 15, 2007, 2:15 p.m. CST
Its just that they are clearly not mainstream flics, thats all.
April 15, 2007, 2:48 p.m. CST
I thought DP was painfully boring... I'm all for good dialogue and getting to know the characters... but there was way more than was necessary. Someone in the theater where I saw it actually shouted "GET THE FUCK ON WITH IT" at one point and I checked and we went like 15 more minutes before "something" happened. Just seemed like with the all the promos and trailers that DP should have rocked from start to finish and instead it was about an hour and 15 minutes of film with 10-20 minutes of stuff most people actually enjoyed. Just way too talky (IMHO) for the films it was trying to pay homage to and for the action it promised.
April 15, 2007, 6:03 p.m. CST
by Mr Bonefish
You dreamt the whole deal. You would never have worn Spiderman underroos to a movie and no mother would have taken her three daughters, let alone one, to see this flick. Time to wake up.
April 15, 2007, 6:04 p.m. CST
I was so tempted to just scream "Shut the fuck up!" during several of "witty" conversations in the second half of Death Proof. Why is it that the "missing reel" had to be the lap dance? It would have been so much better if it were one of the god awful boring conversations during the latter part of the film...either that or every single scene where the angry "jive talking" curly haired woman appeared. I was rooting for Stuntman Mike to kill her!!
April 15, 2007, 11:29 p.m. CST
by Jon E Cin
and I speak the truth. The underoos, the weird asian mom and her three daughters all at Vista theater Saturday night.
April 16, 2007, 1:42 a.m. CST
...Or "Lucas/Jackson Syndrome", a debilitating cinematic disease usually typified by the decreased ability to edit properly, indifference to audience fidgeting, and (oddly enough) the relentless need to cameo in one's own movies. There is no known cure, as even complete box-office/critical failure only convinces the afflicted of their own unique genius. Seriously though, I was hoping Machete would fly in and rescue Stuntman Mike with a gatling hosedown...
April 16, 2007, 1:45 p.m. CST
They are two movies that are made like movies that nobody liked or saw in the first place. I would rent this when it is out on DVD but I am not paying money to see a "grindhouse" movie. The best part of movies like Toxic Avenger and Surf Nazis Must Die is that they were funny and sucky at the same time. They were gore done ghetto cheap. Entertaining but not worth going to the movies over. Toxic Avenger is not a good movie, as great as it is. Were people really expecting this Grindhouse to make hundreds of millions of dollars? Poor management decision.
April 17, 2007, 1:03 a.m. CST
by Jon E Cin
You obviously need to see this in the theater. You will love it. A friend of mine has the same argument you have but I made him see it and he loved planet terror and the trailers. He thought deathproof was ok. I thought they both are amazing...
April 19, 2007, 4:43 p.m. CST
April 20, 2007, 9:38 a.m. CST
ah.. it must be Ms. Dawson..heh.
April 21, 2007, 12:08 a.m. CST
I teach film at Cal State San Bernardino, and I heard about Grindhouse two years ago. I was hyped because I love grindhouse stuff, and I actually feared getting my hopes up too much. Well, I saw the film opening weekend, and I was blown away. Prior to Grindhouse, Ikiru and Cocteau's Beauty and the Beast were my favorite films of all time. I saw Grindhouse and it was a revelation. It was glorious and more than I could ever imagine. It was the whole experience. The people I saw it with and have talked to (such as students) all said the same thing. So how can it do poorly? Critics loved it; it was promoted heavily; it was QT. I don't understand it, but crappy mediocre movies have dominated the cinema recently--this was worth every penny, and now it is gone by a fickle public. I am depressed that it is out of the cinema houses now, and apparently it will not be in the form it was on DVD. The trailers will be gone, and they will be separate films. This was a holy experience, but the public was not willing to partake. I guess I will have just memories. Almost everyone I have talked to personally was hit emotionally by the film, so why didn't word of mouth push it forward?
April 22, 2007, 12:48 p.m. CST
Grindhouse was just plain stupid filmmaking. While films like Wild Hogs and Blades of Glory may seem dumb, at least they aren't pretensious. The people behind Grindhouse actually thought was 'smart' and that's dumbest pretension ever. <br><br> BTW, 2nd week and Grindhouse is #14, behind even Pathfinder. Contrary to your claim everyone loved it, in fact word of mouth was awful.
April 22, 2007, 3:03 p.m. CST
some people will like it, some love it, some downright hate it...it appears to me, the majority of america just doesnt wanna see it. hopefully they make some coin when it comes to dvd...ya never know...but will probably never break even! so sad!
April 23, 2007, 8:40 p.m. CST
it was way too contemporary and all the female banter went nowhere and was about as excruciating as an episode of the Gilmore Girls Planet Terror grabbed the feel of a 70's exploitation flick perfectly
April 24, 2007, 11 a.m. CST
by council estate scumbag
You used to be good and groundbreaking.
April 24, 2007, 2:42 p.m. CST
by Stuntcock Mike
as far as Death Proof goes, I'd like to think they didn't kill Kurt at the end, and that the second part was 18 months EARLIER rather than later. He was just honing his skills. It has something to do with the fact that he was the only character that didn't annoy the shit outta me. Looking at it from that point of view made it %100 better.
April 24, 2007, 2:48 p.m. CST
by Stuntcock Mike
it's a good thing they mention Vanishing Point and Dirty Mary Crazy Larry, %90 of the car shots were lifted from those 2 movies. Who cares though, at least he didn't copy Bad Boys 2.
May 6, 2007, 3:48 p.m. CST
It's a shame that a movie like Grindhouse has made so little money and that Blades of Glory / Spiderman 3 shit are breaking records. people truly have no taste. I have a feeling that Grindhouse will be the best film I see until November.
May 8, 2007, 11:34 a.m. CST
'Nuff said. Iritating, annoying, etc., etc. I was praying that Stuntman Mike would end the torment. /sigh.
May 8, 2007, 1:13 p.m. CST
these movies look great!!! and FINALLY Kurt Russell back in ass kicking mode!!!!
May 11, 2007, 4:48 p.m. CST
300's been out for almost 10 weeks and it's STILL outselling that POS Grindhouse more than 2 - 1. After hearing how bad SP3 is, and reading Shrek = Drek, I think 300 will turn out to be the best movie of '07. It's been the only film in years to live up to the hype.
May 19, 2007, 12:29 p.m. CST
by Mr Chuff
You know QT... I get it - but Death Proof was fuckin shit. Edit the fuck outta that and you might have a decent movie. I dont pay to watch people talking shit for ages...
May 30, 2007, 7:22 p.m. CST
all you little punks that have the audacity to bitch about this movie - you supposed geeks ... whatever kind of numbskull it takes to find fault with this film you'll be eating your words not long from now like all fools who don't understand when something great has happened. I went and saw vanishing point after hearing it mentioned a couple times and I immediately saw the inspiration for both mad max and the dukes of hazzard. we need more grindhouse
May 31, 2007, 1:43 a.m. CST
Tarantino is the biggest con of the nineties, he hijacked a total pan of our geeky culture, to make "cool" mainstream movies that actually make fun of it at the same time as making profits. At least, Rodriguez love of the geek is true. Tarantino is just one clever guy with big memory RAM, that drowns you in movies reference to make you understand that you are nothing and know nothing compared to him. All he cares about his being a star, and that is his greatest achievement. He doesn't give two rats about Grindhouse movies, he just sits in front of his 217" royalties paid screen, snipping whiskey coke and laughing at what he thinks is their stupidity. He should team up with John Landis making shitburger movies.
May 31, 2007, 6:54 a.m. CST
even if that is the case, he is amongst very few bringing us this kind of quality entertainment. all great artists rip off their inspirers to some degree. what other filmmaker would have the balls or the clout to bring us a double feature drive-in gorefest with authentic scratched film, 'hotel hell' inspired dialogue and get away with it? In light of all the shitty, pansy-ass new movies we have to suffer thru, all the while searching for more gems from the past, why complain? and i dont think death proofs essential message is anything to do with feminism - the movie is an excuse to show an authentic cgi-less car chase with real stunts...
May 31, 2007, 9:15 a.m. CST
I'm just saying people who think he loves geeky movies, the genuine kind of love, are mistaken : he actually loves to laugh at them, because he thinks they are plain bad and thus are cool because bad becomes cool so bad it is. Tarantino real talent his being a movie star from the other side of the camera, and ransacking decades of B movies that he loves to watch to MOCK. But if he comes here and answers me back, seriously, I may change my mind and make apologies. But from watching Grindhouse, I cannot help feeling betrayed, these movies play as if they were badly done on purpose.
May 31, 2007, 10:47 a.m. CST
yeah,...I definitely dont get a sense that he is mocking. In what way do you think grindhouse was badly done? It was a very brave film to make I think, and you would have to love those movies to try and recreate the whole experience so flawlessly for a modern audience used to modern movies with super-slick production and over-thought committe-decided storylines. Like the end of death-proof where the girls knock him unconscious - its like a storyline ending from a super 8 movie i made with my brother when i was 13... and that i think if friggin superb and an homage to true film lovers from the days of 'original ideas' and friggin quirky, unpredictable storylines
June 19, 2007, 4:54 p.m. CST
The so-called pay off to Death Proof - two cars bumping into each for fifteen minutes on a deserted road - was unbearably lame and hardly worth it after having to watch a bunch of girls sit around a bar and spew inane dialogue for an hour-and-a-half. Kurt Russell, however, was amazing (like usual) and Tarantino blew a colossal chance to turn Stuntman Mike into an unforgettable on-screen psychopath. Thankfully Planet Terror kicked ass - so at least I got my money's worth. The others at my theatre apparently thought the same thing, because most of them cheered and yelled during Planet Terror, then walked out halfway through Death Proof.
Aug. 17, 2007, 7:03 a.m. CST
Sorry if this has already been covered, but this has been a looong talkback. Where I live in Asia, it's unlikely we'll get Grindhouse, so I forked out for a bootleg DVD. I'm sorry - I'm not proud of it, but it was my only option of seeing this unique feature. Anyway, I got what I deserved - a shitty ciema copy that looked like it was filmed on someone's phone. Pure poetic justice. As luck would have it, I caught the seperate features on a trip to Bangkok. So what are the differences? Well, you lose out on the trailers - Machete opens Planet Terror, but that's it. Thank God for YouTube so I could catch the others. Both features weigh in at around the 100 minute mark, with Planet Terror being better paced, consistently lively and funnier, though less memorable. There is the Missing Reel gag that covers up El Wray's background and the lead up to the siege at the BBQ place, and the film burns up during the sex scene, though you still get quite a lot in that Desperado-edited 'did I see what I thought I just saw?' sort of way. No such missing reels in Death Proof, though. That lap dance is in there - a typical QT set piece that livens that very long lead-up to the auto massacre. Oddly, the bits I thought had been brought back in to stretch the film to feature length sound like they were in the original - the lengthy establishing dialogue scenes, the text message relationship. IMHO, I thought both features were fun, the Tarantino certainly staying with me longer, though very little of the dialogue was up to his early stuff. Rosario coasts on the natural charisma she displayed in Clerks II, but with nowhere near as much cool dialogue. Zoe Bell is no actress, though she has real unaffected charm, but she's not there to act. She has a job to do and, by fuck, she does it. Mary cheerleader was better served in Die Hard 4 and only Tracie Thoms - a young, sexy Wanda Sykes, anyone? - has the only memorable QT hip speak, outlining her reasons for packing a pistol. As for the man himself, I've never personally had a problem with his acting - his most Grindhouse-worthy quality, if anything - though it must be said that his current physique means he makes a more convincing bartender than a soldier. Regardless, this is one feature that screams out for a DVD special edition box set.
March 10, 2008, 4:28 p.m. CST
by Sick Fixx
more than any other fake in GH.
March 16, 2008, 8:21 p.m. CST
I just saw Grindhouse recently, and I just thought I'd come back here and give Harry a retroactive FUCK YOU! You wanted that thing to be longer? They could have cut out over half of Death Proof and it still would have been mostly filler. I'm glad I didn't pay to see this shit in the theater. It always pays to listen to Harry, and then do the opposite of what he tells you to do, know what I'm saying HD-DVD owners???