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Kevin Smith spills on his horror project, titled RED STATE!!
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with some news on the much talked about Kevin Smith horror project. He's been hinting at it for many months and now he's spilled a bit about the project to the good folks at Rotten Tomatoes UK.
The flick is called RED STATE and is inspired in part by extremist Baptist Minister, Fred Phelps, known for staunchly hating homosexuals and picketing Iraq soldier funerals. Here's a little bit from Rotten Tomatoes:
"That dude has always fascinated me and he's really informed the horror movie that I'm working on," Smith told us, "The movie's called 'Red State' and it's very much about that subject matter, that point of view and that position taken to the absolute extreme. It's certainly not Phelps himself but it's very much inspired by a Phelps figure."
But while Smith is convinced that "horror" is the right definition for the film, he's not so sure audiences will agree. "To me there's all kinds of horror, and killing someone's not the absolute worst thing you could do to another human being," he said, "The death in a horror movie has always been the money shot in a very exploitative manner. Stabbing somebody and splashing blood all over them is the equivalent to some dude exploding over some broad's face.
"And to me, too, the notion of using a Phelps-like character as a villain, as horrifying and scary as that guy can be, there's even something more insidious than him that lurks out there in as much as a public or a government that allows it and that's the other thing that I'm trying to examine in a big, big way. It's weird because for a few months I've been saying 'horror movie' and technically it is, but it's also not a very traditional horror movie in the sense that people have been asking me, 'Is it a slasher movie? Is it like the Japanese horror flicks?' It'd be much easier to just show it to them when I'm done and be like, 'This is what I meant.' At which point I'm sure there'll be people saying, 'This ain't a horror movie!' But to me, it is."
Sounds bizarre, but in a really interesting way. For the rest of story and interview, be sure to click on over to Rotten Tomatoes UK!!
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And "some dude exploding over some broads face," sounds more interesting to me.
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Come one it would be better then phantoms yo!
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Ever see Jersey Girl?
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Another poorly directed film with tons of static shots, well written but extremely staged dialogue and lots of jokes aimed at 13 year-olds. Hey look...another shitty Kevin Smith film that the moronic bridge and tunnel wannabees will salivate over because they only have half a brain. Can't wait for that hack to scream at his critics on the internet like the fat nerd he really is. Go eat some more lard and keep running your comic book store, because movies are really out of your grap mister Smith.
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Chronicling the misadventures of Rosie O'Donnell. Directed by Clint Eastwood.
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And the true price of freedom of speach. If anyone can give Phekps the treatment he deserved its Smith. Rencently watched a doc about Phelps called The Most Hated Family In America. Fucking friut-loops the lot of them. Just make the Phelps character a closet Homo and maybe even a jew, Kevin, then send a copy to Phelps. That will be payback enough :) Snoogins!
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Yes, Phelps is a hero to all Red Staters out there! They all hate gays AND the military! Just like Blue Staters hate straights and love communism!
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i remember about 4 or 5 years ago buying #1, and then thinking "if warren ellis can even put out planetary every few years, why not kevin?"
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Which was one of William Shatner's first movies and directed by the great Roger Corman. It featured Shatner as a racist who travelled from town to town fighting against school integration. I could be wron but I believe that movie was termed a horror as well. Check it out:http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0055019/
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Apr 06, 2007 4:29:40 PM CDT
Interesting to see if Smith has a subtle enough touch..
by alonzo mosely
I am no Smith hater, after all he helped my friend Umaga Ombongo out greatly... However, he is jumping into something that is obviously part political satire, the name alone is going to get some people annoyed, and I just hope he has a gentle enough touch to make his point, without beating the audience over the head...
Whatever happens, it is at least good to see Smith trying to do something different. Whatever his limitations as a director, I have always thought his main problem was staying too safe, sticking to what he knows too tightly. The internet is going to slam you whatever Kev, so at least go all out... I personally would love to see Smith handle something like a crime drama with comedic undertones. A heist caper if you will, but with the stress away from the comedy and towards the drama. Something in the vein of the movie my name is lifted from. That I believe he could do a very good job on... -
But yeah, maybe he should finish writing those funnybooks he was supposed to have done 5 years ago.
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And remains one to this day. Its true. Google it.
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I live in a blue state, voted for Bush twice (I felt no vialble alternative)AND I WOULD TAKE A GIANT LIQUID SHIT IN PHELPS MOUTH.
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He is a pinko extremist. Not a fascist.
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I think he's pretty much run his course with his comedies. Let him try something new. As for this Phelps guy? He's a nut job. Neither Dem or Republican. You could argue that he's an overblown example of Social Neo Cons, but thats like people who compare Bush to Hitler. Way off. I'm no fan of conservatives or Bush, but I don't think they come close to the lunacy of people like Phelps. He and his wife and his family are clearly psychologically damaged and akin to Jim Jones and the Peoples Temple.
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"He's a nut job. Neither Dem or Republican."
Yes he is a nutjob. He is also a registered Democrat. Was a delegate for Gore at the 88 convention and his family (not sure if he did personally) attented both Clinton inagurations. Do those fact mean anything at all about the Democratic party? of course not. It does mean that when people like Kevin Smith use this guy as an example of Republican hate they are incorrect. -
Whatever side you're on, red or blue, this Phelps guy's deserving of a swift kick in the nuts. But I don't think Smith's style is up to the subject matter.
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I should've said he represents neither party's values. Although on the gay/religion front he's probably closer to republicans and thats what Smith is getting at. I would rather he make his point by going after someone that all people didn't think was a lunatic. Hit someone like Coulter who is more mainstream. A movie with social commentary about Phelps is like Ralph Nader using Maximum Overdrive as an example of car safety.
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Phelps doesn't need more attention. You know how shit backfires. Ward Churchill gained more support thanks to the ranting of Bill O'Reilly. Just keep writing funny things for Jason Mewes to say.
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Uh...you mean like, the First Amendment? I don't think anyone likes what these people do (except for themselves), but the ACLU has always fought for their rights to be able to say it, regardless of how crazy and sick it may be.
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Oh, I get it. How clever. Is it like Razzles, which is a candy, but not a candy, or is it a gum, but not a gum? Now, I'm back to being confused.
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"And to me, too, the notion of using a Phelps-like character as a villain, as horrifying and scary as that guy can be, there's even something more insidious than him that lurks out there in as much as a public or a government that allows it and that's the other thing that I'm trying to examine in a big, big way."
I'm not sure what this statement means exactly? It reads like Smith is saying that the fact that Fred Phelps has a right to free speech is more insidious then Fred Phelps himself...which is just fucking crazy. -
I will miss this film with a vengeance. Kevin Smith can't make a peanut butter sandwich, much less a watchable film.
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Louis Therouxs's documentary Americas Most Hated family. What a scary bunch that Phelps family are. On the Brilliant Micheal Moore Show the Aful truth. Moore went to meet pastor Phelps. Moore asked Phelps about aids. Phelps said that Aids was god s punishment against gay people. Phelps calls himself a christian as does that other nutter Mel Gibson. These people are not christian. They are bigots. Theres a guy in northern Ireland who owns a BNB and he wont give rooms to gay or lesbian couples, cause he is against that type of thing and it says in the bible. Its amazing how some cant seperate then from now.
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Louis Theroux Searching for Micheal Jackson is one of the greatest documentary I have ever seen. Bashir and Theroux both went through Uri Gellar. Bashir Won but his career lost. Really Superb in every way. The Saville episode was riveting, but Searching for Micheal Jackson was something else. The moment when theroux was interviewing Joseph Jackson and theroux says about micheal having no boyfriends when he was a kid and the look of rage of Jackson' seniors face and spits out" are calling my son gay" to pacify him theroux added the word girlfriends. That was electrifying stuff.
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People who talk about the Bill of Rights like it's still valid make me laugh. Face it, the Military Commissions Act owns all of you, and you need to wake up. Most of the conservatives I knew are now at least left-leaning moderates because of that little law. On an unbiased note, I find the concept of Smith's film remarkably intriguing, and hope the seriousness of Smith's darker works (some scenes in Chasing Amy and Dogma, as well as his work on Marvel's Daredevil series and DC's Green Arrow) inform this film. We know he can create fascinating, complex anti-heroes (Bartleby & Loki) and dissect established paradigms (the Marvel anti-hero, personified by Matt Murdock's Daredevil) and what makes them tick, so it should at the very least be interesting to see what he does with Ultimate Fred Phelps. The regular version is evil enough. Maybe this one invades Poland or something.
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Maybe his eyes should glow, too. I'd love to see Fred Phelps with fangs, sucking the blood out of Lady Liberty like a vampire (sort of like the Alex Ross painting, only with Phelps instead of Bush) before getting staked by Hugh Jackman or Sarah Michelle Gellar. He should also be responsible for "Gigli" and "Lady in the Water".
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....and that is to NOT take my advice 'cause I'm a friggin' MORON!!! Thanks for CLERKS 2!!!
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Because as others have pointed out, he considers himself democrat and really just pisses everybody off.
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Sarcasm, meet Eskimo Quin! I too am a Blue State resident and I know they are many shades of Purple in between. Phelps is a nutjob and an embarassment to Christianity.
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come on now. he stumped for gore in the 80's because gore hadn't supported the gay bill of rights, which a bunch of dems didn't, because he was jsut trying to get attention. he spoke out against the clintons for their pro-gay stance. he's crazy! lumping him in with dems is like saying john wayne gacy being a registered republican means anything.look, the man is either a raving lunatic with a combination of absurd religious dogmatism and mental defects, OR he's an attention and money grubbing liar who will say anything to get more attention or money, OR he's an extremely progressive thinker who is using these extremely insidious stunts to unite people against a common enemy, and promote more progresive thinking about homosexuality among christians and non-christians alike.in any event, "phelps is a Dem, look it up." is ridiculous...
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The dude has run for public office as a democrat. Several times. Never as a republican. I'd say calling it "ridiculous" is being ignorant of the facts.
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His one foray out of his usual style was Jersey Girl, and that was torpedoed by Bennifer and a heavy dose of schmaltz (damn cynical populace). This sounds interesting. As for people going on about his static shots etc... Battlefield Earth was crammed with interesting camera angles (every fucking fram was at an angle) and flashy tricks and it sucked several dicks, (oh no, I mentioned sucking dicks so I must be gay...please!!! Those assholes calling him gay for talking about it all the time are clearly not so secure with themselves as they'd like to think), groovy camera work can't hide a shitty film. And K.S. has a good record as far as I'm concerned.
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I find this man to be an embarresment adn NOT a Christian. You know that word gets tossed out there alot, "oh I'm a Christian" but it's not true, because the bible says that we will be judged by our FRUIT and Phelp's fruit is not god. But any case this dude is a crazy nut. Not a conservative, not even a Neo-Con--you can't lump him there with Bush, the Republican's or the democrats. He makes EVEYRONE look bad, yes he is a registered democrat and has run for I know Gov. of Kansas as a Democrat, He's a public Democrat, but noone ever talks about that, just throws him out there as a conservative. Yes he's a Baptist minister but no mainlane Baptist church recognizes him as a "Baptist" minsiter, they have greatly distanced themselves from him. It's like saying that Jim Jones was an Assembly of God minister (he was but had been kicked out b/c of his extreme views) The mjaority of his church is made up of people from his family and a few other fringe elemnts that have joined up with him. All his kids are lawyers and are crazy sue happy. If you go and confron him, he'll dig up dirt on you and blackmail you or threaten to expose anything you don't want exposed, not just on you but on your family. And he not only protests gay rallies, AIDS and Iraq soilder funerals, I've seen him picket at a THEATRE! Because "some of the actors are gay"...He drives me crazy-crazy cult leader
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i think the idea of this guy as the model for a horror character is brillo. somehow reminds me - character-wise - of a crazed exaggeration of that creepy presidential candidate stephen king wrote about in 'dead zone.' i could totally see how it could be done horrifically. but i think the title 'red state' is just gonna piss people off. i'm a liberal democrat and even i think that making fun of republican states just to make fun (coz no matter how you want to spin it, that's what he's doing) is chickenshit. c'mon, there are people paid hundreds of dollars an hour to think up cool movie titles. give one of them a call, smith!
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it's been done to death because it's always been scary that religious, government and community leaders could be wackos. manchurian candidate, rosemary's baby, davinci code, even silent hill all play up this theme, along with a billion other flicks. if you want to make an effective horror-politics flick for this day and age, create something akin to blood diamond. this has to be something that shows that greed and corruption aren't really buried deep in the shadows of american society, but rather so smoothly intigrated into our day to day routines that we don't even realise it's there. not knowing who we've possibly hurt or killed when we fill up our gas tanks or buy our engagement rings, that could crush someone's psyche horrifically if they came suddenly face to face with the long-reaching consequences of the harvesting of products they take for granted. i'm not saying make a blood for diamonds/oil flick, i'm just saying the red state movie has already been made. a few times over, in fact.
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Because he's like the Tyler Perry of New Jersey.
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"in as much as a public or a government that allows it..."
Isn't it funny how quickly Hollywood types abandon the liberal viewpoint of "all speech should be protected" when it starts to go against their favor. Phelps is an idiot of the highest order; but you can't go around protecting some people's free speech rights while trampling on others', and that's unfortunate. If anybody should be made to shut up it's a moron who goes to American veterans' funerals and disrupts them with what can only be described as hateful rhetoric.
However, we're stuck with laying in the free speech bed we've made for ourselves. Our government has no choice, the first amendment says what it says.
The more valid point is that Americans need to start paying less attention to people who do the things Phelps has done. We should stop lapping up the spoon-fed sound bites the media foists upon us. If we keep going back to the trough for this crap; they're just going to keep serving it up.
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...yep, the haters are right on time. i personally think it could be that years little miss sunshine. truthfully, let the man make his movie; sounds to me like it could be a make-or-break for the man
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as far as the whole homosexual thing. i hear he LUVS the cock. and atm. in that order
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i should like this flick!
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...no doubt; but I for one have no illusions that it will make any headway in shutting down guys like Phelps. Smith could make this movie and ten sequels to it; but the current of society won't be altered in any meaningful way.
The only people who will get on board with Smith's viewpoint are the people who already think the way he does. Essentially he'll be preaching to his own choir and guys like Phelps will use it as motivation to keep doing what they do... only louder.
Crap like this is self perpetuating. I'd rather just ignore Phelps. If more people would just write him off for the jerk that he is, he'd stop getting so much attention.
I'd much rather see a film based on the works of someone like Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. *That* would be a story worth watching.
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Phelps is someone both Conservatives and Liberals can hate. Hell, if there's one thing that can bring us together, it's this country's mutual hatred for this man.
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I'm glad somebody out there got what I was trying to say. Obviously Phelps is mentally and morally delusional; and sadly he is passing on his hatred to the next generation.
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America *is* a great country... even though the things that this guy does can make the system seem dysfunctional. The freedom we have is a very valuable thing indeed; but like with all good things, sometimes there are crooked people who are bent on mistreating it.
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Fred Phelps is a dumbass!!!!!
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I loved the segment on AWFUL TRUTH when Michael Moore pulled up with a Winnebago full of flaming homosexuals to protest Fred Phelps' protest. Good stuff! What a piece of shit Fred Phelps is. I can't believe an ex-sniper hasn't taken his ass out.
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Smith tackling horror AND social/political commentary? Egads. I hope the Phelps analogue goes on a rant about donkey dicks and Star Wars.
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I made a movie where that happened. It was awesome. Go Kev.
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Phelps believes in your magic book, to the letter, even the parts you now find distasteful. Phelps is a Christian. Maybe you are not.
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You should reread "The Bible." Phelps follows it pretty closely. If you don't like that, edit the book or switch religions. Or look up this logical fallacy: No True Scotsman. I'll pass on the bong, though. Thanks.
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...someome who has some ( supposed ) deeper knowledge of scripture. He has set himself up as the final voice of authority amongst his followers. He's not a Christian leader... he's a cult leader; interested not in the truth of the Bible, but only in furthering his own status amongst his followers. True Bible believing Christians wake up each day attempting to apply those lessons to every aspect of their life; in the hope of overcoming their own short falls. Never do they take a man like Phelps and elevate his status by pronouncing him as their authority.
Phelps is most certainly *not* a Christian... he's a deceiver; and I fear for any who have fallen under his sway.
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Great posts...though you said what I was trying to say in an earlier post, you articulated it a lot better. I don't think Smith quite understands the way the First Amendment works...which is ironic as he is such a proponent of free speech. Something tells me someone this shortsighted and ignorant isn't going to be very good at satire...and I say that as a pretty huge fan of his movies.
And "Red State"? Does Smith not realize a lot of his income, hell I'd wager MOST of his income, is thanks to viewers from the red states? If he really is equating people in red states with Phelps, he should get ready to have his ass handed to him by pretty much every pundit from both aisles. I've always had respect for Smith, but is he really that dim? Is he really living in that much of a bubble?
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Please hang it up, Smith. Clerks 2 was the most painful theater experience I've had in years, worse than Ultraviolet.
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No one is more aghast at Phelps' disgusting disruptions of KIA funerals than Red Staters. And only a small minority of the Christian Right agree with his anti-gay hate spewing. To even have a working title of RED STATE is about as ignorant as it gets. Stick to something you know Smith, dick and fart jokes. I'd rather see a horror movie about well-intentioned idiots who want to ban cars and toilets because they think the ice is melting. Now THAT's scary.
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Yeah, that´s sounds like horror. Sorry, Kevin Smith is one of the most overrated Director/Comicbookwriters ever! And I guess he needs to call his flic a "horror-movie" ´cause besides some fanboys nobody cares about his shit.
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Youre a dolt. Of course Phelps being a lifelong registered Dem doesnt say anything about that party. It does mean that when Kevin Smith calls a move based on the guy "Red State" and when others use Phelps as an example of "right wing hate" they are being dishonest. Again youre a dolt.
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I think the guy's got the brains to use this title in an ironic, intellectual way. I AM a Red Stater, even though I hate the fact that some feel the need to separate us by yet another unimportant characteristic, I must admit that I fit the two-question test (voted for Bush and lives in a state that went for Bush). I also live in a state that Phelps calls home and I can't find a single person, lib or dem, who supports Phelps message. Strangely enough, my gay friends will often defend his right to speak, citing that without that freedom then it's very likely that they would still have to hide who they are. Personally, I think Fred should cease existing, slowly and painfully, and I've prayed many times that when Fred is gone that his family no longer feels the need to perpetuate his hatred and start to live normal lives.
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...they have to start characterizing fellow Democrats as eeeBUL Republicans. This guy is a registered Democrat that also ran for political office as a Democrat. There is no shame in that, but now you try to spin at most or distance yourself from him at least? Quite telling.Lott speaks favorably about Thurmond -- BAAD!! Dodd speaks favorably about Byrd -- GOOOD!!The sexless sex scandal of Mark Foley unfolds with a 17 year old page -- BAAD!! The sex scandal that actually included sex of Gerry Studds unfolds with a 16 year old page -- GOOOD!!Cheney profits from the Iraq war -- BAAD!! Dianne Feinstein profits from the Iraq war -- GOOOD!!Libby can't verbally recollect the dates he had written in his notebook -- BAAD!! Clinton can't remember what the definition of the word "is" is -- GOOOD!!There's bad news on both sides of the aisle, gang.
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And a majority of them are family members. Great job with the generalizations, Kevin! *rolleyes X infinity*
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He needs the Red State title so Bob & Harvey will fund it because it's so easy to exploit and stir up controversy. This is just another in a long line of "anti" films coming out for '08. No real meaning other than the an overt political subtext. So when you consider Smith's inability to subtle, this should a cluster. And judging by the way he's hedging on it being a horror movie shows that he's trying to keep the bar low.
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or maybe Mallrats: Mall Harder.
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O.K. Guys look, it is IMPOSSIBLE to follow the bible, word for word. It contadicts itself a number of times (for example if you compare the book of Leviticus to Luke's gospel!)This is because it's written by dozens of people and re-edited and re-translated over thousands of years! Any Christian, be they a moronic psychopath like Phelps or a full on tree hugging hippie, has to pick and choose their bits of the text according to their own particular biases! So please stop this whole he is/isn't christian thing, everyone picks their sect and goes with it. (Although if you're going to pick the old testament books, speak to a Rabbi not a Priest, It was their book first and it reads quite differently!!)
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Having recently watched Louis Theroux's 'The Most Hated Family in America' it's clear that there's only one man than should be cast as this movie's head Phelps-like villain, and that man is Adam West. (given that Jack Palance is no longer with us)
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if you read my post, I know he calls himself a democrat. but as I Said before, and now I'm saying again, the guy is a raving lunatic hatemonger. he's beyond the point where he can be considered indicative of a political party.BUT, he does represent the extreme side of american christianity. that is what the red and blue state bias is more about. the conservatism of the red states is derived from the culture of dogmatic puritanical american christianity. in the blue states, where there are more progressive christians and non-christians, there is accoringly a more progressive viewpoint on social issues and such.so whether phelps pretends to be a democrat, even as he slams most of the democrats in the press, as he slams ALL politicians in the press, he is definitely the extreme of the red state mentality. I'm not saying that I llump all people of faith in with him, I certainly don't. but come on. he's the far end of that side of the spectrum. he's as far to the right in terms of his attitudes towards social issues, as rosie o'donnell is to the left. and they're both wackos.put it another way, according to wikipedia, he got 15% of the democratic vote in a primary for the gubernatorial race in 1998. that means HUGE numbers of people calling themselves democrats voted for him. so there are people out there that agree, more or less, with this nutjob, and they're happy to self identify as democrats. and that's exactly my point. the red state blue state thing might mean dem vs republican in the context of a nationwide presidential election, but the reality is much more subtle. there are EXTREMELY socially conservative religious voters in the red states that still register as a democrat. but they ain't gonna vote for hillary clinton, no matter what party their registered for. religion, and social perspectives derived from conservative christianity, are hugel important. more so than voter registration cards. so if Smith wants to address the real root of the blue state/red state divide, Phelps is a very startling and enigmatic person to begin with. but he better make sure he knows that Phelps thinks of himself as a Democrat, or all of you guys will rip him a new one. and you know how much your talkback voice counts for Kevin Smith...it's, you know...a lot...
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Phelps can be a lifelong registered Democrat, a four time Dem candidate, anti-war and left leaning on most issues and a lefty still has the balls to claim the guy represents "Red State" America. O'Donnell, Phelps and kooks like yourself cannot be reasoned with.
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after i turned like 6 years old i have never found dark movies with maniacal killers scary.
i think i have an idea where he is going with this and i am excited. i also lived in topeka and seen phelps first hand.
i was having some conversations about religion, and realized something, an alarming number of people believe in one religion or another, all kinds of fantastical elements, i think it is all insane. scientologist, catholic, muslim, whatever it is, all seem like cults to me. they scare me.
now imagine, if all religious people actually all united, and weren't all segmented into all these different beliefs, equally ludicrous and equally fantastical,m and then tried to impose those beliefs on the rest of us. we would no longer be free.
i think he might go the route of, phelps type of thinking becomes majority view, and the country could turn into a nazi germany type situation where with death camps and mass imprisonment.
the constitution gives us the right to bear arms, because some founding fathers believed someday it might be up to the common citizen to fight to make the country right again..
i think it called red state because essentially bush and co dont go by popular support. hell they didnt even win the elections with a majority..
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watch Red Dawn, but pretend the badguy's are whacko americans who take power in a state. scary!!!
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Stop giving him a platform to express his lunatic views.
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come on man. I didn't say he represented red states, I said he is the far end of the spectrum for a christian ideology that is the whole reason red states are considered, and consider themselves, so separate from the blue states. (and he's not all that anti war, by the way, since he thinks it's god's retribution for gayness being tolerated in america)you get hung up on labels, and you don't want to think about the underlying issue. that's fine, do what you do, but don't label me a kook because you don't want to dig deeper into this stuff. that's dismissive and childish. phelps can call himself a democrat, a republican, a nazi, a martian, whatever. bottom line, he represents a fanatical extreme of evangelical christianity. conservative christianity is a red state staple much more than a blue state one. that's all I'm saying.if you want to float on the surface of a hugely important issue, fine. but if you do that, you don't get to engage anyone who cares to think about more than stupid political labels. love, the kook
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Apr 07, 2007 3:27:18 PM CDT
Phelps' protested at a close friend's funeral recently.
by jalfredprufrock
His group anyway - not Phelps personally. It would have been worth jail time to do physical harm, but the group cut out very early. I can't think of a more cowardly organization or philosophy.
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Because I totally agree. Why anyone would allow him within 50 miles of a camera is a mystery at this point.
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...is a talentless douche and I will probably never see this movie. But I'm seeing a weird argument here and there on this TB from some of the blue-baiters concerning free speech.
Kevin Smith (or even a competent filmmaker,) is not capable of taking away Phelps free speech by making a movie that criticizes him. Phelps will continue to be able to say anything he likes and will probabl;y love the attention. Similarly, Smith has the same right of "free speech" to critisize or even demonize Phelps and his message. I fail to see how Smith's idea represents "Liberals loving free speech except when it says what they don't like." Last time I checked Smith was not a politician, nor does he have the ability to enforce, write or pass any kind of laws. He is enacting the same right that Phelps is, which is what in other more sane countries is called "public debate". So, by the estimation of those blue-baiting TB'ers, free speech= never criticizing anyone else's speech? (unless it's a liberal...)
I don't even know why I'm bothering to make this point, I'm not a registered demoncrat or rethuglican, I will never see this film with it's retarded title, and I deeply hate all of you because I'm a misanthrope.
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Depending on what rumors you believe, Phelps' health is very poor and one of his daughters is heading up most of the protests these days. She was an Hannity and Colmes once and both of them were all over her. Hannity told her she was a "despicable human being." It's fascinating to watch an alleged "Christian" group of people violate so many teachings of Jesus. What did Jesus say about how we should treat people who are in mourning? Oh yeah, we were supposed to comfort them, not protest at the funerals of their loved ones. Phelps and his daughter and their followers are truly evil people.
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You bitch when the man doesn't branch out and do something new, and you bitch when he does. Sometimes I hate being assosciated with this talkback section. It's mired in hypocricy. :-\
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Even Jersey Girl had a line that made me wince when he basically tells his daughter he wishes she was never born and her mum lived.By the way it's a yacht
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I just hope this staves off the inevitable Clerks 3 a bit longer (anyone seen ongoing Apted documentary 42 Up? Same deal, less interesting people). I'm actually really intruiged by this prospect of a more intelligent and pointed horro film and am just glad Smith may be moving away from 'ass-to-mouth' jokes finally. (Jeez how OLD are you man??) This is a potentially fascinating and thoughtful approach that Smith could effectively channel his own (admitted) shortcomings as a filmmaker. Be nice to see a change of tack completely and Smith stop trying to second guess and please the fan community all of the damn time. Mind you it'd be great also to see a Smith film where everyone doesn't speak as a lecture or in monologue and to see a political slant to a horror piece, something most of this current bunch of horror revisionists seem scared to even contemplate, most of whom lack the balls of Romero, Craven and Carpenter in that respect. Smith is bright enough to do it, lets hope he doesn't just drag Jason Lee and Mewes out the bag and stretches himself a little here.
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As in HorrorBLE!!! Pitiful hack.
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to put Jay and Silent Fucking Bob in it. I doubt he'll be able to resist, though. The day will come when we'll have movies coming out with Jay in a wheelchair and Bob with a walker. Enough already!!!
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I love Kevin Smith and I'll watch anything he writes and directs.
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I mean why is that guy still walking around? It's incredible.
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We know ya got the special nifty account to post in these talkbacks to prove it's you ... we know you read talkbacks, especially ones that are about you ... so where's your response? Not even going to defend your poor choice of "Red State" as a title? I think everyone here has made it clear we can get behind a movie that rips into someone like Phelps, but you just lost half your viewership (and money) by titling it "Red State." I'm one of them. Title it something else and then we'll talk.
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no lie; i love you, man. apparently i'm in the minority on this one, but i enjoy the flicks, and have dutifully purchased them on dvd (including the like 4 billion versions of 'clerks'; seriously, this is like turning into evil dead/living dead territory here). congrats on uniting geek nation here; i think it was xifos that said that we're all united in hatred for our boy phelps (almost bordering on tb-ers hate for you, pal). turning that wave into a watchable flick will be quite a challange- good luck, and i'll be there opening weekend. ps- cast paul reubens; he's criminally underused! :)
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You all overanalyze way too often."Blue State"would be a terrible title,even if it was a Noam Chomsky and Howard Zinn buddy cop vehicle.
Walterego-A bullet would be to good for that snake.Also-Yes ,Phelps has the right to be a douche,lets not turn this into a "Nazzis march in Skokie"TB.Just suck it up as the lumps you have to take to preserve freedom. -
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fucking posters on this site...everything that comes out of their little fingers is vile hate against anything on the right and/or associated with religion. why don't you two pull your heads out of your own asses? shitheads.
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Yes, I think you are both fucking morons.
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will go the way of the "Passion of the Clerks" title. Either way, I look forward to seeing his take on horror. Could be cool.
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I didn't say red states should/would support Phelps at all. I don't believe that. the exact opposite actually. he does for christianity what nambla does for gay people. and it ain't nothin' good. I just used the example of the 15% of votes he got as a democrat to show that his party line isn't indicative of much, but his appeal as an extreme of evangelical christianity (and I would argue, a perversion of it) is a more important point than what political party he's a part of. that's all. I just thought it was silly when people would write, "oh he's a democrat, look it up!" well, Hitler was a vegetarian, and that has about as much relevance to his persona. hopefully kevin smith realizes that. yes, Phelps is a wacko, but he doesn't cease to be a part of our society, as you said. in my opinion, he should make us further examine our society. but I see your point. he's so nuts that he's almost irrelevant as a person, he only exists as a footnote or an example. except to those that he demonizes with his picketing, I suppose.
and Marlowe, take your meds and calm down. sure, I'm a liberal, but I'm also a spiritual person. and I can also make a point, and listen to someone else's point without resorting to the lowest common denominator of human communication: mindless insults.but hey it's a talkback. there always have to be people that can't come up with much else than mindless insults...I accept it, warts and all, because I love me some talkbacks. you and Jackiejokeman re like bumblebees; annoying and bothersome, but necessary to the ecosystem. -
I didn't say Kevin Smith wasn't an idiot, I said he wasn't a lawmaker with the ability to censor anyone.
Typical special-olympics internet arguing... I used the term "blue-baiter" therefore I'm suddenly a raving liberal. Then I tell my uncle that I'm pro-gun and suddenly I'm a sickening republican and my mother should disown me.
My point in both cases is that you're all sexually-frustrated retards with no ability to think outside of the political check-boxes the media provides for you, and therefore have no ability to discuss anything rationally. Smith included. -
Is that most Republicans can't look in the mirror and recognize that the potential for them to become a guy like Phelps is about two steps away from what they're currently advocating and condemning... Nor do they realize that their way of doing things IS scary to those who value personal freedom and compassionate virtues. Just think about the words we all use to slander each other! Personally, I'd much rather be a "bleeding heart, tree-hugging hippie liberal" than a "money-grubbing, bigoted fascist conservative" any day of the week. To me, the former sounds like a bunch of positive things that are merely made to sound negative by bitter, angry people. The latter sounds bad no matter how you slice it. Both are somewhat true. -- Phelps is a loony, but his values are not far from those of conservatives. He doesn't share a single value with liberals- Not one. He's a bigot, he's a radical religious zealot, he's the head of a family of fascist lawyers... There's nothing remotely Democrat in his life, values, or behavior. But... Look at the major American conservative groups like "Focus on the Family" and you'll see a stark resemblance between their behavior and Phelps' actions. This isn't "political check-box" thinking, and if you think there aren't clearly-drawn lines between two VERY different sides in America, then you have your head up your ass and are humming the star-spangled banner to yourself to ignore the obvious. We're in a bad way in America. In some places, you don't DARE refer to yourself as Democrat or liberal unless you want your windows broken or threats from dedicated conservatives. If anybody is picking solid sides in this social conflict, it's the religious freakjobs, and they're doing a fine job of stirring the pot whenever they can.
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His family is all lawyers. They do these OFFENSIVE protests to incite someone into striking them, or otherwise attempting to them harm, at which point they sue the balls off of the attacker(s) and the city for not guaranteeing their First Amendment rights, and make money to support their weirdo church-lawyer family. It's all a deliberate attempt to draw fire so they can litigate, and the bummer is that they're playing the First Amendment for a bitch, using it to both be complete cocks, and to make a quick buck. THAT's why they're disgusting human beings and deserve to be mown down by a group of Hell's Angels.
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David Kuo, Matthew Dowd, and all the others..? I see them more like rats leaving a sinking ship. Why didn't they speak out in the first place? Why only recently do they 'realize' they were helping push a neo-fascist agenda? Maybe they're smart enough to know when it's time to switch sides and "see the writing on the wall"-- It's pretty convenient that these break ranks in time to NOT be on the losing side of things. I'm not saying I won't give them a chance, but there's a big difference between these guys who only recently realized they were wrong, and people like David Brock, who jumped ship in the first couple years of this mess and came clean, and Ariana Huffington who also realized she was dealing with bad people and made a change. These later guys are bailing out when they're no longer on the prevailing side, and that- to me- looks more like late-term cowardice than taking any kind of brave stand.
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We need to steer this TB away from political invective and into a vehicle for Kevin Smith bashing, ASAP! It's funny; I can watch some of Smith's movies (I loved Damon's character in Dogma), but what I love most is a good KS Bashfest on an AICN talkback. Same goes with Star Wars...I enjoy the old Star Wars movies (to an extent), but I come here to read you guys pile on Lucas -- with much glee. I don't know what that says about myself, but I don't care; you "haters" are freakin hilarious.
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That Phelps guy has always struck me as somewhat terrifying, and the idea of a Kevin Smith horror film really piques my interest. I've always been on board with Smith, even when he made Jersey Girl I got the feeling (with his picture on the cover of the dvd box) that Smith was saying "I made this flick for my wife and kid...you probably won't be that crazy about it, but help a brother out and give it a rent. There's a few laughs and the next one will be better". And sure enough, Clerks 2 came next and it WAS better. Smith got back to the vulgarity we love, but he retained the heart that he had grown from making Jersey Girl, and the result was a film that only a truly hard-hearted person could hate. It also made me a Rosario Dawson fan (something that had started from the her involvement in Sin City), and I now think she's one of the coolest geek-chicks in Hollywood. After all, I can't imagine Kate Beckinsale or Nicole Kidman ever creating a comic book series called "Occult Crimes Taskforce". But getting back on topic, this movie looks great, and I'm glad to see Kevin embracing genre filmmaking, even if he IS putting his own "spin" on the horror flick. Especially since I'd love to see him portray the right-wing "red state" mentality in a horrific manner...it definitely has it coming!
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I've always wondered what right-wingers have against Chomsky.
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Besides being a pseudo-anarchist, his selective use of facts in order to prop up his own anti-American theses generally pisses me and other right-wingers off. The man has a pathological hate of his own country (as Paglia has said). I mean, it's hard for me to take seriously a man who attempts to justify his support for Pol Pot, thinks World War II was "probably" a just war, and shakes hands with Nabil Qauq, a Hizbullah leader in Lebanon. But that's just politics as usual on the left: justifying outrageous behavior while seeking to understand it. Nevertheless, he was a brilliant linguistic philosopher...should've just stuck to that field.
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You're still anti-Semitic bigot...Go fuck yourself. Cheers!
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Also, what's wrong with calling people morons and other names on the AICN messageboard? Does anyone actually come here to have a reasonable discussion? I'll go talk to my friends if I want that. I just come here to vent. Jeez.
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I guess criticizing any of the bad parts of America are fool's errand. thanks for the heads up. (Where do I buy a tinfoil hat, anyway?)
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She's liberal but she doesn't spit out the Democratic talking points and actually thinks for herself...What a shock!! You're such a little moonbat BSB...and an anti-Semite to boot! Sweet!!! And actually, I want peace in the Middle East...I think Palestine has a right to self-determination...I just think its leaders need to stop cavorting with terrorists before that happens...Call me a dreamer...whatev
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ha. loser.
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let ditch the politics for now; generate enough steam and ol' kev hisself will pop on by. THEN watch the politic fly once he chimes in! chant with me: kev...kev..kev...kev...kev..
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Hi Kevin. I said don't make Clerks 2 because I wanted you to move on.
I loved Clerks 2 dude. Loved it.
I will support you on this movie. I do feel you should move forward. I don't want to see Jay and Silent Bob for a while. I would love you do make a comic book film.
Yet I doubt that will ever happen.
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And have American liberals and Democrats turning a blind eye as Stalin, the North Vietnamese and Pol Pot, and their beloved Chairman Mao brutally murder, starve, and enslave their own citizens in the name of building a socialist utopia! Oh, no, wait, that's actually what happened.
Seriously, Fred Phelps is less representative of your average red state attitude than Joe Stalin was of your average blue stater. Hollywood only churns out anti-Christian pabulum every other Thursday (and associating mainstream Christianity and being a "red stater" with Fred Phelps is anti-Christian, FYI). So this movie will probably suck.
Bo-rrring. Bring on Clerks 3 and have it be two hours of Rosario Dawson in a tight t-shirt teaching Jay & Silent Bob how to dance. Now that'd be a movie worth seeing. -
Has a great first name, BTW. I'm not so impressed with his last name. I think he needs to work on that. And also make another movie with Rosario Dawson.
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That was so clever. Wow. I was impressed. Dogma was Dog-tired. Or Dullma. Or Dog-shit-ma. But Kevin Smith's apologism for George Lucas's monstrous prequels was the worst. Why couldn't he admit that they sucked? He was just angling for a the Star Wars TV thing that's never going to happen.
On the other hand, Alanis Morisette covering The Black Eyed Peas "My Humps" was actually funny and clever. Unfortunately, I don't think Kevin Smith directed it. -
They can communicate its message...they can talk about the technique they used for this stroke or that, but they really can't get back to that place to explain where it came from. If we get this from Smith, who has always been consistent in quality and entertainment (save perhaps Mallrats, but I don't blame ya!), then I bet this film will be friggin' unbelievable.
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It's like we're collectively using some kind of ancient ritual to bring the Kev out. Kevinwillis, REMcycle, that's just quality work. Whatever we can do to bring the Kev on here to really give us an "intellectual smackdown." (quotes for contempt)
BTW, I think his movies are trash, but I find his pop culture musings to be entertaining enough. Anyone read that Empire article with him and Simon Pegg ranting about the first series? That was effing hilarity. -
this guy peaked 12 yrs ago with a nice little funny film. he doesnt make any money and he doesnt improve as a filmmaker
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Phelps is clearly gay, hence Kev's fascination. They should both get a room with Mewes, etc etc
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You guys actually read his comic books.
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Dude, if a Kevin Smith comic book comes out I have to have it. I can't handle one being out and not having my paws on it.
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Has killed more people outside it's borders than any other country since world war two. We need to take this country back from the good old boys. Foreigners know what the true spirit of America is. Vote Obama.
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Has paid more money and helped loads more people outside of its borders than any other country since ... well, ever. This country was founded by good old boys. Foreigners can't know what the true spirit of America is because, well ... they're foreigners. Vote McCain.
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