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Massawyrm Digs Into GRIND HOUSE!!
Hola all. Massawyrm here.
Grindhouse is not a movie. Don’t think of it that way. And no, this isn’t me saying “It’s two movies.” It isn’t. No, Grindhouse is an experience, something you have to go into at least partially prepared for. And if you go in prepared to see a Robert Rodriguez film followed immediately by a Quentin Tarantino film, then you might not get exactly what you’re hoping for. Grindhouse is a three hour, $8 theme park ride. And while much of it will seem familiar, I assure you, this is a ride you’ve never been on before.
Forget Robert and Quentin’s hype. They’re selling this like it is two, back to back, hell blazing, ass kicking movies that will finally “live up to the poster.” And while that ain’t exactly a lie, it ain’t exactly the truth either. They’ve somehow convinced the press and the world at large that this is two horror films – when really, it is two, very well put together comedies, jokes in the form of movies. Yes, jokes. Here both of these directors intentionally make movies that are riddled with mistakes, film flaws and even missing sections all for the sake of boiling down the Grindhouse experience for laughs. The more you know about Grindhouses, their history and practices and the more old films like these you’ve sat through, the more you’re gonna laugh or nod in appreciation.
But let’s face it. Most folks just aren’t going to get these jokes. Hell, I wouldn’t get most of them had I not attended so many Weird Wednesday’s at the Alamo Drafthouse. I’ve sat through enough missing or out of order reels, red or chewed up prints and movies that are just plain awful to get most of what’s going on. Fortunately, that’s just one layer of Grindhouse. Because beneath the layer of digital grime and scratches and skipped frames, are a pair of movies that really aim to be some good old-fashioned exploitation.
So which film is better? Well, that’s kind of the point. Ask a dozen people, get a dozen answers. There’s a good portion of folks who love the speedy pace and bloody frenzy of Rodriguez’s sci-fi zombie schlockfest. Then there’re those who dig the kitschy cool of Tarantino’s very chatty but high octane vehicular slasher flick. I’ve even run into a handful of folks who think the trailers were the very best part of the film. Although not a one of them can seem to agree on which trailer is tops.
Personally, I love Tarantino’s film best of all. Despite both films constantly riffing on everything that used to go wrong with these Grindhouse prints, there’s a point about two-thirds the way through in which Tarantino says “Okay, enough kidding around” and sets out to make one hell of a bad ass finale – something you’d expect from a real film trying to be as bad ass as humanly possible. Rodriguez’s never does that. And while Rodriguez’s is both funny and cool the whole way through, there’s a section missing that just breaks my heart – as it is my absolute favorite moment in that style of film.
You see, I LOVE movies like Planet Terror. What Rodriguez is making is not a John Carpenter knock off – but a comical knock off of John Carpenter knockoffs. Something not unlike a super badass version of The Eliminators, After the Fall of New York or 1990: Bronx Warriors. With zombies. The thing is, all of these movies (Planet Terror included) were built on the Western model of film. And all of them contain this moment in which all of the characters at odds with one another all find a common ground and put aside their differences in the interest of kicking a hell of a lot of ass. And Rodriguez thought it would be funny to kind of skip all that. And while there’s a good joke in there, ultimately it left me a bit cold because I really wanted to give myself over to the guilty goodness of it – and it just wanted me to laugh. That one moment or sequence could have changed the whole thing for me and delivered an ending that kicked my ass like Tarantino’s.
Does that make Grindhouse any less badass? Hell no. Grindhouse fucking rocks six ways from Sunday and is about as much fun as you can have at the movies. There’s plenty of laughs, gross outs and moments that make you throw a fist in the air and scream out “Hell Yeah!” And it keeps up that intensity for three solid hours. If you’re willing to give yourself over to it, Grindhouse will absolutely deliver.
But it is an experience. This isn’t a movie meant to be seen alone in the middle of the afternoon. It was meant to be seen at Midnight, with as many friends as you can get together. Hell, if you can somehow manage it, see it at a drive in, laying on a blanket across the hood of your car with a cooler full of beer. That’s what Grindhouse embodies. And if that sounds like your particular brand of vodka, then this comes Highly Recommended.
Until next time friends, smoke ‘em if ya got ‘em.
Massawyrm
Yes. Zoe Bell is my new hero.
And yes, I’m fully aware how easily she could kick my ass.
And yes, I’m fully aware how easily she could kick my ass.

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I will be there Thursday night... pants off.
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What a day...
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I hope not. He's fucking obsessed with digital.
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...Jakes Nel. I am now the new king of meaningless things. Go grind yourself.
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You are now the new king of meaningless things....
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I just want to see her in both movies. One with both legs and one without. On with the show!
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Seriously, if that is the case, at least ten of those people are assholes. A or B, buddies. Make a choice.Seriously seriously, the whole 'ass rocking grindhouse experience' angle I'm hearing in the reviews is putting me off a bit. I kind of wanted to see two entertaining films - not two coke-addled in-jokes.Ah well, at least one coke-addled in-joke will have Kurt Russell in it.
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Next, a 1910's era silent film double feature. That would be kickass. First, a train robbery next, a trip to the moon. With trailers for an olde vaudville comedy act. Hey, movies looked like that when I used to roll at the old Penny arcade. Just kidding, I'm looking forward to this but you have to admit these guys got pretty far making intentionally shitty movies and claiming "homage".
What I don't understand is the lack of Rose McGowan nudity. Rose McGowan has been naked in virtually everything she's ever been in. She was as naked as they would allow her to be on Charmed. Here's a movie that's nagging us about how much violence and sex is in it and Rose doesn't make with the goods? I still love her though. Especially now that I know a dumpy Mexican can pick her up if he's a director. That's why I'm in film school.
As for Rodrigues and digital, I hope so. Digital is better. Although you need to use an app to create the distressed film effect, which is kind of lame. -
" Ask a dozen people, get a dozen answers." That will happen with any question you ask.
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Tarantino always digs out some cool shit for his soundtracks, but my interest was really piqued when Rodrigez mentioned he was going for a retro Carpenter/Howarth style synth score. Any TB'ers heard the PT score yet?
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I saw this at a press screening on Tuesday night and Massa's review gets it exactly right. The films themselves are entertaining and I don't think you'll ever get a consensus on which movie is better--action/horror fans will like Planet Terror, while fans partial to car chases and/or Tarantinio's dialogue will love Death Proof. . . fans who just want the over-the-top, wink-at-the-camera stuff will enjoy the trailers.
But the true fun of it comes from the entire experience. Both films are fun, but it's the whole event idea that makes it a riot. Geeks will get a kick simply out of the 70s, 80s-era Dimension logos created for each film (although Dimension didn't exist then, this is EXACTLY what they'd look like) or the animated ratings advisories. It's just a great, fun ride. The more I think about it, it's neck and neck with '300' and 'Zodiac' for my favorite movie of 2007 thus far. The last shot of Tarantino's movie, by the way, is so cheesy and lame that it's actually the ONLY way the film could end. Perfect! -
It's not a question of looking 'better', it's about looking authentic, which digital doesn't when you're trying to homage the grindhouse era. And no, digital doesn't look 'better'.
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wearing a sailor hat.
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there are a million stock applications you can use to create a distressed film look. Ignoring all of those, if you can create a photo-realistic CGI monkey, you can make digital look like damaged film.
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I agree, if you can create a photo-realistic CGI monkey, you can make digital look like damaged film.
But that's never gonna happen...
P.S. Don't even mention Kong. -
I saw it last night and it was soooooo much fun! no complaints this time!
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silent Charlie Chaplin-era film, complete with film scratches, frame skips, jumps, cuts, etc. So I am sure they can make high end DV look like crap 70s era film stock.
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Check out this link. Rodriguez filmed in digital and most likely edited it in FinalCut, maybe Avid, while Tarantino was rubbing his pubes on his film stock. http://tinyurl.com/23kzzn
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Movies ARE experiences. If they aren't putting you into the story, then they're terrible movies.
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All haters all welcome to spend their weekend puffing on their pipe and discussing "the medium of film" with one another. Fuckin' douchebags.
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If I'm not mistaken, Rodriguez used the same digital camera as Singer did with Superman Returns....
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COMEDIES.They're meant to be funny.Thanks Massa,you just helped me "torture pwn" someone who didn't have a clue.
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I'm not that concerned with recreating the scratches, noise, etc. Like you said, there are a million ways to copy the effect. I'm more interested in the look of the stock itself. Grain ratio, contrast, colour interpretation, effect on focus, bleeding, blah blah blah (This is getting old). Yes, the Genesis is probably the closest thing to film right now (I still prefer the F-900), but again, it's not about how 'good' it looks when it comes to this kind of film. If you want it to look like it was shot on 70's stock, shoot it on 70's stock.
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just because you earnt the accolade through the manic "FIRST" posting you did earlier. don't be so anal, what does it matter if it was shot on 70's stock provided it looks correct?
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The best films are experiences because movies can completely surround you with sights and sounds while you're in the theatre. The best movies take you along for a ride. Saying this movie is an experience is just saying it's a good movie, and it doesn't have to be a genre film. I just watched Splendor in the Grass and was completely enthralled. I was drawn into the story by characters who were complex and did both good and awful things, but you could see why. I can honestly say that was an experience. Although, I must admit that I'm looking forward to Grindhouse, I don't think a movie experience should be limited to horror and special effects films because a filmmaker can use so much more to draw you in.
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It's not a question of looking 'better', it's about looking authentic, which digital doesn't when you're trying to homage the grindhouse era. And no, digital doesn't look 'better'.
Digital PROJECTION does. I never want to see another scratch during an opening week in my life.
VIVA DIGITAL! www.hagerdrivein.com
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Massawyrm, I'm sorry dude, but you got it twisted. I always look fwd to your reviews b/c I always agree with them, but man... Death Proof is BORING! Sure the end is great, and the first big kill is one of the best bloodfests ever, but does that really justify the 50 minutes of chit chat in between? It's one thing when the characters are talking about something interesting, but that is not the case in DP (heh). I want your word that when you eventually come around on this, you'll come back online and tell us. After a couple of viewings, you'll never want to see those parts again, I guarantee it. Much respect.
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intentionally make movies that are riddled with mistakes??
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Isn't filmmaking all about the details? Look, this argument is simply a question of taste. Rodriguez shot digital, Tarantino shot on film. Different strokes for different folks. We can compare the two when we watch the movie. I prefer film and I've already said why.
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Apr 05, 2007 10:41:50 AM CDT
How can Robert Rodriguez spoof bad exploitation movies?
by spandau belly
That's all he's made his entire career. His films are all already cheesily written and technically flawed and made with a 1970s level of production quality. Honestly, Walter Hill's The Warriors looks like it was made more recently than Once Upon a Time in Mexico.
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in about 20 tb's. Twat.
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I agree she should've gotten naked. She shared her puppies and did threesomes in the 'Doom Generation' why not do it again? Killjoy. Hell, she showed more skin when she went to the MYV awards that one time she was dating Marilyn Manson.
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Rose McGowan was the bomb in 'Phantoms' yo!
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He can stop crying like a bitch now.
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Naa, not worth watching.
Saying that, there isn't even a proper UK release date yet, according to IMDB. June. That's all it says.
Stupid, stupid "we want films before the UK" bollocks.
Well fuck ye - we got Hot Fuzz MONTHS before you lot! -
Sorry, off topic. But it wasn't listed anywhere else. Mr. Clark will be missed. He gave us some great films.
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Look at Rotten Tomatoes and see how many critics loved "Terror" and didn't care for "Death Proof" and vice versa. Guess it depends what blows your skirt up. I just want to see Mr. Russell in a kick ass role after playing "Dad" or "Coach" for so long, and Rodriguez' movies are always fun and never boring....
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The Curse Of Christina Ricci ...
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The whole point is to watch them together ain't it? So why the fuck will they split them in Europe?!
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he probably figured he didn't need an excuse to see her disrobe on film. Selfish bastard. Not that nudity is a selling point on a film. Anyway, I agree that anorexia is destroying all these atractive actresses. Anywhere else in the country and they would have no shortage of self-esteem about their looks, but in Hollywood they have to starve themselves to have any self worth.
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Planet Terror is the better "grindhouse" movie, while Deathproof is the better film all together, but both could use a trim. If they were going to make movies that were novelty experiments, why the need to make them regular length, especially when they knew there would be another one coming right after. There were points in both of them where I was completely in love with the movie and enthrawled with the action and ready for it to wrap up, and then it just kept going and going. Each movie couldve been 70 minutes long, keeping the whole experience lighter and more accessible. The ultimate version would have been keeping each to an hour and adding Rob Zombie's "Werewolf Women of the SS" as the third 'feature'. All in all, it was great, and I'm sure I'll enjoy it more then at the advance screening at the posh multiplex, when I see it opening night, AT MY LOCAL DRIVE-IN!
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...start to look like trannies after a point, when their cheekbones and jawlines become so pronounced that no amount of makeup in the world can soften them.That look just does nothing for me. Keep your hips and your tits, ladies. They're gifts from God to me. You're just the delivery mechanisms.(Oh, man, my wife would castrate me if she read that).
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Actually, they both did. Here's the skinny:
a) THE TRAILERS: All of them golden, especially MACHETE and DON'T, which made me laugh so hard I peed a little.
b) PLANET TERROR: The better of the two (but then again, I have an allegiance to Rodgriguez' style)...mostly due to the completely over the top story, pacing, gore, action, testicle-removing, penis melting, massive zit popping, butterfly knife slicing, calling a one-legged girl "Peggy", Freddy Rodriguez, Michael Biehn, Jeff Fahey, helicopter tilting, gun flipping, "I never miss", bad-ass latino hero, midget motorcycling, grenade launching, and a stern warning about children and gun safety.
Oh, did I mention the added bonus of getting to see a certain talentless, soul-sucking "singer" get eaten alive? Yep...just like a big bowl of blackeyed peas.
c) DEATH PROOF: The equivalent of having really boring sex for an hour only to get jerked off to a mind-blowing orgasm by a trained hooker that happens to walk by your window, notice, and take pity on you. Tarantino almost lost me on this one with some of the extremely long-winded dialogue sequences (as dialogue was never really a part of the Grindhouse experience...that and the fact that he removed some of the screen blurs and glitches that Rodriguez kept throughout the entirety of his flick) that seemed peppered with a forced "how many 70's film references can we jam into a conversation?" style...but when Kurt Russell (bless his soul) shows up and does his thing it delivers a massively sobering slap to the face. The last 30 minutes or so are guaranteed to put your balls somewhere near your stomach cavity...with the payoff coming (quite literally) like a scissor kick to the skull.
To sum up: This one's my new front-runner for best movie of 2007, having knocked the previously mentioned 300 off the top with more of a shove than a C-4 detonation...but replacing it just the same.
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You've got a good point there about Rodriguez. But I think QT's guilty of the same thing, Res. Dogs aside. He's got himself in a great position b/c he always makes films that are an homage to bad movies. So it's a win/win for him. If it's good, he gets props, if it's bad, it was on purpose. I think that if DP was released on its own, it would flounder. If anyone else made DP exactly as is, no one would stand for it. PT was made to be entertaining, but DP is just mind-bottling.
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The assignment was to make 2 GRINDHOUSE films and he just fell back on his typical shtick. Granted, his film has rad moments....but Rodriguez's is the true exploitation flick...and definitely the most extreme.
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I agree 100%. I was kind bugged by the fact that the scratches etc disappeared halway through DP. My friend has a theory that they both set out to make a perfect homage to a grindhouse flick, which are usually really boring in between boobs and blood. But then Rodriguez turned around and made his entertaining. Then they got together, showed their pics and QT was like, "dude! wtf, man?! We agreed!"
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Agreed - women - EAT! They should all be chained to the stove with enough link to reach the bed. Was hoping to see this this weekend but was just informed the "potential" inlaws will be coming for the weekend .... now it's just DC tourist attractions, cherry blossoms, and no drinking. Damn!
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was "soooo fooockin' awwwsome, dude", get to see Grindhouse and experience what a real movie looks like.
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So now will Hollywood take all the mediocre films coming down, screen them, discover that they're shit and market them as shit but entertaining shit thinking we'll bite? Ha! Then the jokes on all of us! Are all of you retarded? This Grindhouse flic looks utterly stupid! It's almost like they're doing it on purpo... oh... ah ha... HAHAHAHAHAHA I just got it now! Grindhouse is going to be brilliant! And the only thing that will make it better is for me to be a little bastard and sneak in to see it! Now that's living on the edge!
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I can't wait to see this. That is all.
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That's actually kind of a good idea. Grindhouse flicks were shown at drive in's back when cars had HUMONGOUS trunks. People snuck in all the time. I think it'd only be appropriate to sneak in... you know, for the true Grindhouse experience
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Coming from a Zoë Bell fan, this absolutely rocks. It's been a long time coming. Zoë is extraordinary- always has been, always will be!
Come join us at:
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the only site on the net with the most Zoë Bell info out there. -
just bit it in a car accident. bummer.
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Don't get me wrong, I'm want to see this and I think I'll have a good time but I really wish Quentin would get this out of his system and stop making hommages to bad movies and start making original works again.And I'm really surprised to hear that these are full length features. I guess I misconcluded that they were going to be about an hour each.I also don't get why everybody is acting like bad exploitation movies ever really went away. What do you call Snakes on a Plane, the Leprechaun movies, Freddy vs Jason, Jason X, any non-Spy Kids Robert Rodriguez movie, Turistas, Land of the Dead, Escape from LA? These films are all bad, all exploitation works of violence, and all released in last ten years or so. I guess I'm too young to know what this whole "grindhouse" thing is really about beyond bad exploitation movies and something about drive-ins and sticky floors, but it seems like this type of film never died so why all hailing of this as a ressurrection?
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The visuals were awesome, as were the makeup and digital effects, but the dialog was like slogging through drying cement with your shoelaces tied together.
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I expect GRINDHOUSE to be a fun time at the movies. Nothing more, nothing less. If it's not fun, then the film(s) will have failed in my view.
But I really see no way in the world that's going to happen.
BIG opening weekend...fast drop to 4th or 5th. FUN FUN FUN.
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Get ready for your first glimpse of INDIANA JONES 4 this November as George Lucas has confirmed that the film's teaser trailer will hit theaters during the Thanksgiving weekend. As of now the only films in that time frame that make sense are Paramount's BEOWULF and Disney's ENCHANTED. Other teases that Lucas threw in while talking INDY is that one of the top-secret filming locations includes a waterfall, they're still in talks with Sean Connery to return as Henry Jones and they're hoping to keep the title of the film a secret until the trailer premieres. Good luck! I have to say that he did a pretty good job with the STAR WARS prequels keeping the title under wraps so if anyone can do it, George and Spielberg can. Filming on INDIANA JONES 4 begins this June with Cate Blanchett and Ray Winstone confirmed to star alongside Harrison Ford.
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Alright, Im going to get my say in. I've spent long nights at home and in theaters watching the source material for this over-indulgent celluloid based three and a half hour long directorial masturbation sequence.
Planet Terror- Dumb, Dumb, Dumb. Well, that's not completely fair, it did keep my attention at least. But I have two words for you: mini. bike. That honestly just blew the movie apart. It kept a winking demeanor the whole time, but that scene just turned it into nothing more than "Scary Movie 4," a title which fittingly shows up in Deathproof. That's all I have to say about that.
But Deathproof? Only a guy like Tarantino can ruin a car chase movie. It was actually impressive how much he fucked it up. It starts out amazingly strong, in fact it could have ended at Kurt's hostpital scene and I would have thought that was clearly the best of the two films. But no, not ol Quentin, instead he treats us to what seems an eternity of chatty-cathy girl talk. I have to be honest, I fell asleep during this part, and unfortunately woke up to them still talking about absolutely nothing. As far as his dialogue goes, it was even shit. And really could the words "Vanishing" and "Point" shown up any more times to show what Tarantino was failing at redoing.
Plus, that faux-damage on the film, not funny, it was obnoxious and grating. The source material, which they talked so much of redoing, wouldn't have had these flaws. Why not simply use the grindhouse philosophy to make a movie instead of making two shitty inside jokes. -
Maybe it's just the marketing, but I wouldn't put many of the films you mentioned in the category of exploitation genre. I'd like to hear how everyone else weighs in on this, but exploitation films, to me, are films with no real story-telling value, made specifically to make a quick buck without any thought to the logevity of the product. Boobs cost nothing, fake blood costs next to nothing, so all they had to do was find a flimsy reason to throw the two together to make some dough. Since movies have gotten so expensive to make, there's been a push to make them long lasting, which means better story. I think this "ressurection" is about checking your brain at the door, story-be-damned, and let's be titilated for an hour and a half. Gridhouse is actually an exploitation of exploitation films since it isn't truly a low budget run and gun production. And, yes, I've just bored myself.
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I should add, that's not to say the movies you mentionede weren't bad. Because they are.
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You want to see it, I want to see it.
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wern't you, you prick.
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Apr 05, 2007 3:14:06 PM CDT
Link at Dark Horizons has AICN showing Avatar images an
by kinghenryviii
d a 2nd pod cast from the set of The Mist? WHERE IS IT? Did it get lost during the technical difficulty thing last night? Dark Horizons said you guys had images of Avatar but when I clicked on it it came up missing / gone - the entire fucking article. Way to tease .... way to tease. Not cool!
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it claimed to have been a 'collage' from inside the WETA offices, but it was clearly some kids bedroom with some photos stuck on a display board, and a photoshopped picture of Solaris pasted over it. The guys underwear shelf was in the corner of the picture for fucks sake. You didn't miss anything.
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and shit my pants when i couldn't find it. JoBlo does have the / a poster up .... I hope that's real.
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... that is the same shitty poster they had here. Either its a fake or this is the worst poster I've seen for a film in a long time
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It looks boring and fake........2 shit movies for the price of one.
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That's the word on the street.
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Two great GRINDHOUSE books by QT and RR are available now...one is a "making-of" with phenomenal pictures, cast & crew interviews, and a history of grindhouse theaters by QT and RR. The second is QT's original shooting script for DEATH PROOF. Check em out...
http://tinyurl.com/2hsu9u
http://tinyurl.com/yorwhf
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GRINDHOUSE is an "experience"? Really, wow. Because I was it was an experience too, JUST LIKE EVERY OTHER FUCKING MOVIE!
Harry, time to take a break from the nepotism, or at least wait till Sister Satan's kid hits puberty. I've never seen a writer who took so much pride in pointing out the obvious -- over and over and over and over again.
If you don't cut him off now, how many times is this little asshole going to use the word "badass" in his next review? -
thing shifts light and is in somewhat 3D. Cameron, however, can do better.
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You need to see it to really believe it....check out our review @ http://www.moviepulse.net/Pages/Theatrical/page_grindhouse1.htm
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Is it really being split up in Europe? Split up as in an intermission between films or split up as in shown on two seperate screens as two seperate movies?
If so then what the fuck??? The whole point is that we get a 2-for-1 deal...2 films, 1 ticket....one fucking screen. -
You didn't say anything about Bush or those evil "X"ians. We're all worried about you. It's not like you NOT be annoying. Please, you're scaring us. PLEASE, say something! Look what you're doing to your mother. You made her cry.
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If so, I know one of your wrestlers! Small world, man.
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Yes, that would be me. Who do ya know? ;-)
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..basically sucked when Kurt Russell wasn't on screen, and even some of his stuff wasn't great. All of the other scenes made me feel like I was watching an episode of the Gilmore Girls.
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Edit Deathproof to just the relevant parts. It would not only pick up the pace, but shave a half hour out of the running time. To be fair, the, "Chatty chicks" thing in DP (that nearly killed it for me) seemed to be more entertaining to the female populace. Otherwise, perfect cheese. Especially with a large audience!
I hope the double feature concept catches on. I'd like to see the spy theme next. All-action, and a cliff-hanger ending, perhaps?
Or, maybe a couple of comics put together, like Jonah Hex, and Unknown Soldier... The possibilities are endless, no?
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