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Hulk smash! Hulk get new duds! Hulk get redesign? Will Hulk look pretty? Smash!!!

Published at: April 5, 2007, 8:33 a.m. CST

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. Looks like Marvel's going with a new effects house to bring the Hulk to life in their new... what is it? A reboot/semi-sequel/remake? Marvel's going forward with it, whatever it, and calling it THE INCREDIBLE HULK. I love it when they use comic book titles as film names. I still would have loved Spider-Man 2 to be Amazing Spider-Man and Spectacular Spider-Man to be coming out next month. Anyway, Rhythm & Hues (they did Aslan in NARNIA) got the job to bring the Hulk to life, after many months of creating a brand new CG Hulk to show to Marvel. A redesign was inevitable if they weren't bringing Eric Bana back (or he wouldn't come back) since ILM's Hulk shared many of Bana's features. Production starts in June... Zak Penn (X2) wrote the script, Stan Lee is exec. producing and Louis Leterrier (UNLEASHED, TRANSPORTERs 1 & 2) is directing.


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  • April 5, 2007, 8:35 a.m. CST

    First again!!!

    by Jakes Nel

    !!!!!!!!!

  • April 5, 2007, 8:37 a.m. CST

    if bana aint banner.....

    by adamthelegend

    ...then i aint gonna bother. Hes the best guy for the part - period.

  • April 5, 2007, 8:41 a.m. CST

    Stan Lee exec producing?

    by stones_throw

    Uh oh.

  • April 5, 2007, 8:41 a.m. CST

    Now that I've actually read the article...

    by Jakes Nel

    Super! The director of Unleashes and The Transporter.... Should be high art, then.

  • April 5, 2007, 8:42 a.m. CST

    I think alot of people agree..

    by Redfive!

    If Bana isnt coming back then theres NO need for another HULK.

  • April 5, 2007, 8:43 a.m. CST

    I don't hate Lee's Hulk...

    by Boba Fat

    in fcat I quite like it in a perverse way but Lee's Hulk was too soft looking and smooth. let's hope we get the mega ripped Hulk out of this reboot.

  • April 5, 2007, 8:45 a.m. CST

    What!?!?

    by indyjonez100

    The Hulk in a car driving around trying to deliver the package, The Incredible Hulk in Transporter 3 - Hulk is back and ready to Smash

  • April 5, 2007, 8:48 a.m. CST

    Ang Lees Hulk was great

    by BRUTICUS

    Bana was awesome. That damn Nick Nolte part was stupid though. Hulks daddy turns into an all powerful energy BEING?!? Just too eye rolling, we were already too busy trying to accept a character such as the Hulk.<p><p>Now if you're going to redo Hulk, keep a lot of Bana's anger, he did that perfect. And, yeah make Hulk more mean looking. He was a bit of a baby face in the last one.... But personally Id like to see him do something really stupid when he's Hulk, like hurt a girl. Something that makes him more torn inside... And make him ugly.. look at King Kong, you actually felt for that big disgusting beast....

  • April 5, 2007, 8:49 a.m. CST

    It's clearly a sesqueboot

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Sesqueboots are what modern film making is all about. Casino Royale, for instance, exmplifies the sesqueboot principle.<p>Partial credit for this new word should go to Spandau Belly, who invented the 'premaquel', which has inspired me to make shit up when I am bored and fucked off at work.

  • April 5, 2007, 8:51 a.m. CST

    Rhythm & Hues is a really good choice...

    by genro

    I've always found ILM work predictable. If Modine ends up as Banner, a much better choice than Bana, than the only weak link will be Penn.

  • April 5, 2007, 8:52 a.m. CST

    Bana was miscast

    by BobParr

    I like Eric Bana but Bruce Banner is supposed to be the ultimate wimp. Bana is just too big of a guy. He was both Chopper and Hector for Christsakes! The problem with The Hulk was how serious it took itself. They needed to inject some humor into a story of a green giant.

  • April 5, 2007, 8:53 a.m. CST

    If the Hulk is going to be doing stupid things

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    I would rather it was more along the lines of, let's say, he has sex with a co-worker and 'accidentally' tells his boss all about it the next day.<p>D'oh! Hulk stupid!

  • April 5, 2007, 8:54 a.m. CST

    Transporter meets Hulk

    by jimbojones123

    Sounds better than Hulk sits in corner and pouts then breaks stuff, then pouts somemore. Ang Lee, you raped my childhood.

  • April 5, 2007, 8:57 a.m. CST

    Aren't you allowed to have sex with a co-worker?

    by Lost Prophet

    unless you are both paperboys. That shit is wrong.

  • April 5, 2007, 9:01 a.m. CST

    You know what would be really cool?

    by Jakes Nel

    SHE-HULK!

  • April 5, 2007, 9:01 a.m. CST

    I liked the old model

    by INWOsuxRED

    I thought Narnia's effects work was sub-par. You'd think ILM could re-use the old model or even modify it for cheaper than this silly lion company, but maybe not. This also makes me wonder how much this Hulk will interact with environment. I don't get the feeling Rythm and Blues will be able to make this look like it cost money.

  • April 5, 2007, 9:02 a.m. CST

    Sheesh, I thought it was someone who "wrote" XXX2.

    by JackPumpkinhead

    Whew! Although the mention of the Transporters of garbage does not bode well for the green guy whose pants grow in size.

  • April 5, 2007, 9:03 a.m. CST

    no, it's ok if it's paperboys

    by just pillow talk

    Janitor and mailroom boy is a no-no. I don't think not having Bana makes or breaks this movie, because I don't think he's identified as the Hulk. It's not like Jackman being replaced by someone to play wolvie, ya know? <p>I think it would be stupid to show up to work in those purple pants. Talk about getting snobby looks.

  • April 5, 2007, 9:04 a.m. CST

    The Hulk's Boss?

    by Boba Fat

    Hulk answer to no one! Hulk screw anyone he like! Hulk Screw!!!!!

  • April 5, 2007, 9:04 a.m. CST

    Anyway, Stan Lee isn't returning.

    by JackPumpkinhead

    Stan Lee never left.

  • April 5, 2007, 9:08 a.m. CST

    Hulk want Freddy Prinze Jr!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by Jakes Nel

    ...

  • April 5, 2007, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Aslan looked amazing, but Letterier is the weak link

    by triplefive

    this will probably suck. hard.

  • April 5, 2007, 9:12 a.m. CST

    I don't think you understood what I meant by paperboy

    by Lost Prophet

    I meant the barely teenage kids that deliver papers. WRONG! I TELLS YA! WRONG!

  • April 5, 2007, 9:13 a.m. CST

    I know I'm in a minority but I found the 1st one great.

    by raw_bean

    Everything I hear about this makes me sad. :(

  • April 5, 2007, 9:14 a.m. CST

    banner is not the ultimate nerd

    by repligin

    maybe in the golden age comics, but nothing since the eighties has shown him as this archytypal 'nerd'. his nerdishness, was actually more self-consiousness through self-loathing. bana nailed that in the first film, and it'll be sorely missed if he's gone from the sequel.

  • April 5, 2007, 9:14 a.m. CST

    Letterier could rock it

    by kilik777

    It could be a good pace of change to the original. The transporters are fun schlock. http://tinyurl.com/pv8do

  • April 5, 2007, 9:15 a.m. CST

    Gotta bring back Stan and Lou . . .

    by Nice Marmot

    . . . so they can continue that in-depth conversation. As for the FX, man I think it would be bold to have an actor in makeup play the Hulk and use whatever FX they used when Gandalf was walking around w/ Bilbo in Bilbo's house.

  • April 5, 2007, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Related facts, you might find interesting.

    by Spartacus Hughs

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozhDQBKjG8s

  • April 5, 2007, 9:18 a.m. CST

    Er, the article says Stan Lee co-wrote the script?!?!

    by Primus

    "Louis Leterrier will direct from a script by Stan Lee, Jack Kirby and Zak Penn. Lee also will serve as an executive producer." Is that even possible

  • April 5, 2007, 9:18 a.m. CST

    NIce Marmot

    by Boba Fat

    The deaf security guard and his coffin dodging sidekick had that building locked down tight!

  • April 5, 2007, 9:20 a.m. CST

    I agree with

    by Purgatori

    whomever said Hugh Laurie should be Banner. That's inspired.

  • April 5, 2007, 9:27 a.m. CST

    TOO GREEN!

    by uss cygnus

    ...You gotta be careful about that. xD

  • April 5, 2007, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Jack Kirby co-wrote the script?!

    by Neo Zeed

    From beyond the grave no doubt.

  • April 5, 2007, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Just don't touch the origin...

    by Childe Roland

    ...and don't directly contradict anything that happened in Lee's Hulk and you can do whatever the fuck you like with this one. I'll even rent it.<p>Lee's Hulk works for what it is, despite Nolte's ridiculous performance (love when he actually chews the scenery, though).

  • April 5, 2007, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Ummm..

    by Mechakong!

    I think that should have read "a script by Zak Penn based on characters created by Stan Lee and Jack Kirby". Right? Any word on the villan? Hulk really needs something other than tanks or crazy old Nolte to smash.

  • April 5, 2007, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Another vote for she-hulk

    by leesheri

    That Xena chick could play her. You know she would be perfect. Where is the Lost tb? I can't find it.

  • April 5, 2007, 9:47 a.m. CST

    what good would a lost TB be...

    by just pillow talk

    if you couldn't find it? ha-ha!

  • April 5, 2007, 9:54 a.m. CST

    She-Hulk

    by Jakes Nel

    You know who should play her? That chick who played Kirsten's sister in The O.C. But bigger and Greener. Hot...

  • April 5, 2007, 9:55 a.m. CST

    Zhang Ziyi for Asian

    by sillypig

    Aslan looked like ass in the crapfest Narnia. So that should say a lot about this new Hulk.

  • April 5, 2007, 9:56 a.m. CST

    It should be a body-builder. Not CGI.

    by riskebiz

    A body-builder with a page out of Peter Jackson's tech on filming Hobbits to get the scale right is the key. Another all-CGI Hulk is a bit of let down. I'm not sold on the Narnia digital people at all. If ILM couldn't get it done to peoples satisfaction, what makes them think that the people who did the dodgy Narnia CGI would be better. If anything, they should have tried WETA, but I guess these other people were cheaper, huh?

  • April 5, 2007, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Get Lou Ferigno in that case then, get him all fit

    by sillypig

    again. But I think real a person would look strange.

  • April 5, 2007, 10:15 a.m. CST

    Stan Lee exec producing

    by Rupee88

    That is just a job in title alone. He won't do anything but maybe watch the final movie a day before it is released.

  • April 5, 2007, 10:16 a.m. CST

    I didn't have a problem with Lee's CGI Hulk

    by Fecal Debris

    But the script was a little heavy and overlong, too much focus on Bruce's dad, and I wasn't so sure about Eric Bana. The monster poodle sucked, and the full-body transformation from Hulk back to Bruce at the end just didn't look right. It should take longer, and it wouldn't have looked so silly.

  • April 5, 2007, 10:18 a.m. CST

    HULK SMASH TRANSFORMERS...BUT LOOSE TO...

    by JDanielP

    http://www.buyersmls.com/comics/hulkpics/hulkbatman.jpg

  • April 5, 2007, 10:24 a.m. CST

    Childe Roland Origin

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    Are you kidding? Lee's origin sucked. I wanna see Banner save Rick Jones from the Gamma Bomb then Hulk out. And forget The Absorbing Dad, I wanna see Hulk Vs. Maestro in the battle of the bad mo-fos. Plus you can use the props from the X-Men 3 garage sale for all the dead heroes of the future.

  • April 5, 2007, 10:26 a.m. CST

    Lou Ferrigno IS in Hulk 2!

    by Geekscape

    You obviously don't watch Geekscape. Get with it. They interviewed the guy: http://tinyurl.com/22exdl

  • April 5, 2007, 10:27 a.m. CST

    I hated Ang Lee's version

    by Lost Prophet

    bored me to tears. And I thought the whole genetic starfish origin thing was ridiculous.

  • April 5, 2007, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Whats taking so Bloody long!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by boyblue

    Iron man is going full steam ahead we know who all the players are we have seen what direction there going in and all is looking cool! But with this new Hulk film we dont even know who the hell is playing Banner and is it going to be a remake, restart whatever? If it doesnt follow on from the first film and if the cast is completley different I think I will pass on this one!!!

  • April 5, 2007, 10:33 a.m. CST

    HULK obviously should be GGI (with some animatronic)

    by JDanielP

    If HULK is only a bodybuilder painted green or a man-in-suit (like the THING from FANTASTIC FOUR), then the Hulk property will reach a new low. In addition, ...I know it won't happen, ...but imagine if the studio split the cost 50/50 and we got something we thought we would never see (at the cinema), ..."SUPERMAN VS. THE INCREDIBLE HULK". Now just imagine how THAT would set the box office on fire!

  • April 5, 2007, 10:33 a.m. CST

    See Childe Roland

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    Lost Prophet knows the deal. Hey, you have your opinion and all that, but I don't see how the Lee origin beats out the comic. I mean didn't little toddler Banner start to Hulk out a little? That was lame. In FF4 at least they were in space, if not in Richards' own ship. Even that sucked because Doom went through it with them. I actually liked FF, but the Doom origin blew.

  • April 5, 2007, 10:40 a.m. CST

    maybe he meant to keep it for continuity sake

    by Lost Prophet

    For example, the reason that they were able to reboot Batman and Bond without slaughtering continuity was because the origin had never been elaborated on, whereas Lee had given Hulk quite a lengthy and detailed origin. <p>Still- genetic starfish thing was daft.

  • April 5, 2007, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Continuity for continuity sake

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    doesn't really matter though if you're continuing something that sucks. The suck part 2, I think not.

  • April 5, 2007, 10:49 a.m. CST

    The problem with Ang Lee's film

    by trombone

    was not the effects or the story or the ridiculous poodle. The problem was that he did not take the Hulk seriously. Before X1 came out, I read an article where Brian Singer said that he hadn't liked X-Men growing up, but if someone were to make his childhood hero into a movie, he would want that person to take it seriously. And Ang Lee seemed more interested in the camera angles than in the Hulk itself (or the producers messed it up, I don't know). The best part of Ang Lee's Hulk was the first trailer with Bana looking in the mirror: "what really scares me is that when I get really angry... I like it". What the writing credit for Lee and Kirby is probably that Zack Penn is using one of their storylines. I thought the choice of Adrian Brody for Banner was AWESOME. And why is NO-ONE talking about all of the fantastic stories from the TV show? Which nailed the Hulk character--they just got it right (until Thor and Daredevil--who's miserable idea was that?) So what do I want from a Hulk movie? For them to take it seriously. A great script. Great acting and a director with a vision who can get the best out of the actors. The Hulk green, grey, orange, blue doesn't matter as much. Am I the only one who felt that Ang Lee's CG Hulk was the Incredible Shrek?

  • April 5, 2007, 10:50 a.m. CST

    BULLSHIT!!!

    by PwnedByStallone

    Ang Lee's Hulk was a damn masterpiece. Fuck you in the goat ass Marvel!

  • April 5, 2007, 10:50 a.m. CST

    I generally agree with Roland

    by Lost Prophet

    his posts tend to be thought out, so I am sure there will be an underlying reason for wanting to keep self-experimentation producing genetically mutated sprog origin. The actual radiation exposure bit was good though.

  • April 5, 2007, 10:56 a.m. CST

    League Of Gentlemen's Mr. Hyde?

    by Boba Fat

    Ricky Ritardo, you made me laugh so hard I burst my colostomy bag. <p> I will be sending you the cleaning bill though.

  • April 5, 2007, 11:02 a.m. CST

    What was wrong with Nolte's part??

    by PwnedByStallone

    Everybody thought it was stupid but I thought it was great. He was able to form into stuff he came into contact with. That's not any less believable than a guy turning green, growing 4 times his size, and keeping his pants on. The part where Nolte crushed that dude with the cart by merging it into his hand kicked ass. And the climax rocked. He didn't turn into an "all-powerful energy being.". He came into contact with the powerlines by biting it and turned into electricity that was able to escape his shackles. Then he merged with the cliff to turn into a giant rockman to fight Hulk in an ass-kicking battle, and when they ended up in the lake he basically turned into the entire lake by forming with the water molecules, then he got nuked. It was really well done I thought.

  • April 5, 2007, 11:04 a.m. CST

    pillow talk

    by leesheri

    LMFAO! It was here yesterday. Guess they haven't put it back up since "the incident"

  • April 5, 2007, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Amen to that ZombieSolutions

    by PwnedByStallone

    Seriously.

  • April 5, 2007, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Not Hating

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    Lee's Hulk, I'm just saying there's a big part I didn't like, that being the origin. Sam Elliott was great as Ross, and Josh Lucas made a great Talbot, except he needed a cheesy little moustache. Which part of the movie was it where Hulk was on the run, I think it was after escaping from the desert base the first time, and Lee had the comic style panels intersperced (sp?) on the screen? I though that was cool. I respect Childe Roland's opions, I just disagree with some of them. I'm not going to rant and whine like a three year old because we have a difference of opionion.

  • April 5, 2007, 11:07 a.m. CST

    sisterwives! brilliant.

    by Lost Prophet

    no- although Ang Lee's version did overestimate intelligence, that is not what is wrong with it, in fact, that is the best bit of the film. Sadly, you do seem to be right about the stupidity factor. How Ghost Rider made that much money is a mystery to me.

  • April 5, 2007, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Lee's Hulk gets better every time I see it.

    by rbatty024

    I disagree Trombone, I think Lee took the material and the ideas very seriously but he also respected the character's pulp origins. For most people he took it too seriously. Before the movie was made people were crying for superhero films to be treated as more than just fluff. Ang Lee did exactly that, and everyone scratched their heads and wondered why Lee had to introduce themes like nature vs. nurture and ruminations on fathers. They said it should have had more action and treated as more of a fluff film. The producers are making a film with more "Hulk smash" because that's what everyone has been asking for since the first movie was made.

  • April 5, 2007, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Industrial Light & Magic

    by Sigmar25

    Is it me or does it seem like ILM puts 10 times more effort into George's projects than any outside work they do... remember those werewolves in Van Helsing... blah!

  • April 5, 2007, 11:13 a.m. CST

    I personally thought the casting and acting were good

    by Lost Prophet

    with the exception of Nolte. I didn't mind the introduction of the themes either. I do, however, blame Hulk along with X-men for this horrible existential dull phase we have in Comic book films, where every hero has to be a tortured one that finally culminated in the utter tedium of SR. I don't think hulk was the right place to introduce the Ruminations on fatherhood thing as it overburdened the film beyond belief. nature v Nurture is fine, becuase of the fact that banner only changes when he is pissed, but the rest of them were too heavy. <p>And the mutant poodle/ starfish origin bits were bloody stupid, which contradicted horribly with the intelligent stuff, and actually made the smarter aspects of the film seem all the more laboured.

  • April 5, 2007, 11:15 a.m. CST

    Now I can disagree with

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    Lost Prophet because I loved Ghost Rider. Maybe it's because I used to collect the comics, but whatever, I loved it. Sometimes I want filet mignon, and sometimes I want a Krusty Burger. Ghost Rider was burgerlicious.

  • April 5, 2007, 11:15 a.m. CST

    That is not very clear (end of day)

    by Lost Prophet

    but I hope you can see the point.

  • April 5, 2007, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Ang Lee did not believe in the myth

    by trombone

    thanks Rbatty, but there's a difference between being "arty" and taking the stuff seriously. Ang Lee wasn't INTO the Hulk. He didn't "get it". On some basic, fundamental level, Ang Lee didn't know what was the heart of the Hulk or of a superhero movie, for that matter (again, it could just be that the producers at Universal messed it up) And I disagree with Zombiesolutions and the statement that people want "Hulk Smash". Most of the public doesn't know what it wants until it sees it. And they complain, but they don't know what the real problem is so they say "I want more Hulk Smash". Remember all of the people bithcing and moaning that Wolverine wasn't in yellow spandex? And they LOVE the X-Men movies now. What they love and respond too is someone that takes the character, the super-hero genre seriously.

  • April 5, 2007, 11:21 a.m. CST

    Ghost Rider only did well

    by trombone

    because had a media blitz and because it opened on so many screens. It was in the theaters, what, 2 weeks? No staying power. Same with X3

  • April 5, 2007, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Zak Penn still making a living as a screenwriter?

    by We

    Amazing.

  • April 5, 2007, 11:35 a.m. CST

    Better be good..

    by Philvis

    I'm sorry but the cartoon hulk just didn't do anything for me. Put that on top of a story that tried too hard to be deep and it is a perfect formula for failure. I know some of the more "intellectuals" in here will claim that stupid Americans as being the reason such a deep and complex movie failed. I'm sorry, but Ang Lee just tried too hard. How can I take a long boring movie with a cartoon character as the lead. I would rather sit through Who Framed Roger Rabbit. That was more realistic to me. I would rather see Lou Ferrigno than another digital Hulk. I hope the producers learn from the mistakes of the previous Hulk and Superman Returns...slow moving storylines will be the downfall of a comic book movie.

  • April 5, 2007, 11:36 a.m. CST

    Where is the Bob Clark post?

    by Mister Man

    Did I miss something????

  • April 5, 2007, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Who's playing Nova?

    by teethgnasher

    Just curious.

  • April 5, 2007, 11:40 a.m. CST

    jfp

    by trombone

    the point is not how much money it made: ZombieSolutions was using the box-office success of GR to say how stupid the American public is. I disagree on two counts: 1) the success of GR is not due to a loving public, but to the number of screens on opening weekend, when people didn't really know much about the film. The fact that it didn't last meant that no-one saw it and told their friends, so you can't argue that it prooves the poor taste of movie-goers. And 2) I really don't think most movie-goers are stupid. They recognize a good movie when they see it. And people didn't like Ang Lee's Hulk, not because it didn't have big explosions, but because it really wasn't a good movie. Yes it was "artsy" and "deep", but that doesn't make it good.

  • April 5, 2007, 11:43 a.m. CST

    FYI Zombie

    by trombone

    Hulk didn't make back it's money at the BO, but on DVD sales...

  • April 5, 2007, 11:43 a.m. CST

    The hulk tv Show

    by emeraldboy

    is really about an man wrestling with his demons. About a man who pushed himself too far after the death of wife in accident and didnt care about the consequences. Hence the jekyll and Hyde. which was reall about robert Louis Stevensons alcohol problem and the thugs, petty crims he met in scotland. The drink turned Hyde into Jekyll becuase that is what alcohol does to some people. Turns normal people into monsters. Ghost rider was cool. I loved it. Sam elliot is a god.

  • April 5, 2007, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Where's the damn Lost talkback???

    by PwnedByStallone

    Really.

  • April 5, 2007, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Ghost Rider Was Bland

    by kevinwillis.net

    Ang Lee's Hulk was artsy bland. Not bad, just bland. And incongruous--Hulk's bright green-ness and the comic book transitions/split screens did not go well with Ang Lee's brokeback "story" telling. Some of the fx, like Nolte merging with the molecular structure of other things, was great. But not enough to sustain the movie. I liked the finale, of Banner hulking out in Central America, and frankly the sequel that hinted at sounded a lot more promising to me than Ang Lee's actual movie. <br><br>But I'm all for a reboot. As long as Hulk saves Rick Jones, turns to the Hulk automatically at night, and is gray with a big square head. <br><br> Given that Wolverine originally debuted in The Incredible Hulk comic book, a cross-over there might be cool, too.

  • April 5, 2007, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Lost Prophet and Trombone...

    by rbatty024

    While I liked Hulk the first time I watched it, it did take me a while to get used to some of the crazier aspects. The "poodle/starfish" stuff as well as the split screen was, in my opinion, Lee's attempt at paying homage to Hulk's pulp origins (just like some of the corny one liners in the Spider-Man movies), and while it was jarring to have these next to the film's more philosophical moments, I accepted them pretty easily after I saw the movie a second time. I think everyone can agree that Hulk was not the movie they expected to see going into the theatre. Anyway, the fact that people are having a well reasoned and thought out discussion of Hulk is really weirding me out, so I better get out of here before it de-evolves into chaos.

  • April 5, 2007, 11:46 a.m. CST

    comic book Screenwriters

    by emeraldboy

    Screenwriters are only tapping into the atmosphere around them. That is nothing new. look back at the history of films and you will see what i am talking about or better yet go out and by the Scorcese's DVD a journey through cinema. Really great.

  • April 5, 2007, 11:48 a.m. CST

    First off, thanks LP...

    by Childe Roland

    ...I'm glad to know not all my posts are dismissed as the ramblings of a pantsless madman.<p>On the origin thing, it's not so much that I think Lee's origin was superior (I do, but that's not why I don't want them to redo the origin in this film) it's that a redone origin will just confuse people at this point and eat up time better spent covering new ground in this movie. They could even flash back to scenes from the original origin where Banner is actually exposed to the radiation if they have to. But I don't see a need to rewrite and re-execute the movie origin. Done is done.<p>Similarly, there's no need to address Banner's dad or accompanying issues at all. Betty and her dad are still alive. Her dad's still hunting Banner. Banner's still pining for Betty. So why make a point of undermining any of what those characters did or said (personally, I think all three performances were among the best parts of that film...aside from the desert chase sequence)? The interrelationships and complexities have been established. Let's just have a good Hulk story that builds on all of that.<p>As for the Maestro...not gonna happen. It'd be cool, but if they do something like that (time travel being an added layer of unreality for the super hero genre at this stage), it'll only be after (and, more importantly, IF) this one is a commercial success. For that to happen, it needs to appeal to a much wider audience than comic fans who know who the Maestro is or who any of those dead heroes would be. Ironically, the last thing this movie needs to concern itself with is being a good movie by critical standards (because Lee's version covered that base and it got nowhere with either fans or the public at large).<p>I never thought I'd say this, but this movie pretty much needs to put the inherent tragedy of the character aside and focus on the Hulk smashing things in a loud and spectacular way.

  • April 5, 2007, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Hulk tv show was awesome

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    Friday nights were made for Hulk/Dukes of Hazard, and before that Wonder Woman/Hulk. The best was when we got to see Lou's acting chops when the creature was stulk halfway between Hulk and Banner after starfish injection, er I mean meteror exposure.

  • April 5, 2007, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Hulk's villain is

    by trombone

    Hulk. That's why the TV show was successful. He was always trying to fight himself and the most dramatic scenes were the moment right before the transformation (which Bill Bixby did MUCH better that Bana)

  • April 5, 2007, 11:57 a.m. CST

    It's simple really....

    by Boba Fat

    He has to change into a cool looking Hulk and go on a kick ass rampage. I'm serious. The Hulk is probably the simplest Marvel property to realise. Lee's Hulk was an intelluctual take on a basic and successful formula but the Hulk doesn't have to hate his dad to exist. All he has to do is smash things, fight the army and be saved by the love of a good woman. 75% smash and 25% yack and I'm there.

  • April 5, 2007, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Madman maybe, pointless, no

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    I agree that we won't see Maestro, it just a geek's pipe dream. And I rather enjoyed the sequel debate we had a few weeks ago. Although I guess I'm in the minority who preferred the original Godfather.

  • April 5, 2007, 11:58 a.m. CST

    Villain

    by Philvis

    I thought it was said a few months back that Abomination would be the villain for the next Hulk movie.

  • April 5, 2007, 12:14 p.m. CST

    A person in makeup...

    by cornponious

    COULD play the Hulk. Look at how good Ron Perleman looked as Hellboy.

  • April 5, 2007, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Bana is great, Lee's Hulk only falls apart @ the end

    by TallBoy66

    That is my summation of that film. Liked Bana, liked the more psyhological take, loved the editing, music, performances, and more, but the throwdown between Hulk and Abosrbing Daddy at the very end kind of ruins it for me. Still, keep Bana for crissakes!!!

  • April 5, 2007, 12:27 p.m. CST

    The person in makeup should be

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    Gerard Butler. All he needs is a can of green spray paint. I mean not only are we talking about the 300 phsyique, but did anyone catch the Men's Health article on the workout he went through? If we can't do Maestro, then add Steve Buscemi as The Leader. I'm not talking skinny pointy head leader, I'm talking crown of broccolli for a head leader.

  • April 5, 2007, 12:29 p.m. CST

    no Bana

    by trombone

    Muldoon good. Brody=work of genius. What about Ed Norton? AKA Fight Club? (Have we already had this talk-back?)

  • April 5, 2007, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Tv in the 70's had its limits that

    by emeraldboy

    Program makers today do not have. That is a budget. Production values have increased ten fold. In the film world you have bigger budgets but smaller schedulers. Everyone on a film set is under huge pressure. When Mcgee looks at Banner and Banner warns Mcgee not to make him angry. You believe him and banners eye twitchs. Apart from the Jekyll and hyde. the hulk tv show had moral core at its heart. Lee took that and turned it into a story about a man who had a bad dad who created an unwitting monster. Spiderman is doing this.

  • April 5, 2007, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Just make sure

    by sHapesHiftinLizard

    we get some sense of the man on the run looking for a cure. It will be miraculous i fthey fit in the Abomination without it seeming forced and silly. Mind you , the Hulk comicslike i liked best were crazy , the onew with Beret and Rick and the expanding Paper aeroplane etc.(you know what ima talking about).

  • April 5, 2007, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Here's an idea

    by Kloipy

    Why don't they make a movie about Jubilee? I'm mean who really gives a damn anymore. As long as the studios know we shell out hard earned money, they'll keep making all our favorite superheros look like shit. So what's the point? Just to play into our childhood love to earn money on a sub par movie. Fuck the hulk

  • April 5, 2007, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Johnny Depp or Christian Bale

    by nexxus7

    Johnny Depp would make a great Banner, but doubt he would take over a franchise reboot. Bale would also be good if he weren't on Batman, especially if he lost a bunch of weight like he did for another flick a while back. New Hulk should definitely be 8 feet tall and insanely ripped (think the guys on the covers of Muscular Development on even more steroids) and savage this time, not looking like a Goober. It should also show the folks at FF why they needed a CG Thing. Plotwise, it would be cool to see him going up against a couple of his comic book villians (haven't read in 20 years) like the green brainy dude with the long head and Abomination. Then a couple of quick cameos by the likes of Rhino. Too bad Brian Cox was in X2, he'd have been great as General Ross. They could also She-Hulk and Grey Hulk could show up in the sequel.

  • April 5, 2007, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Lame experiment

    by magnetoelectric

    The haters will get everything they felt was lacking in the original.Rythm n Hues tho?I thought they were stuck on "man-in-suit"from the get go.Also,all Ive ever heard is Banasay "yes" when asked by folks if hed be interested in a reprise.To me,it all sounds like "hulk on the cheap" Im Penned out too-NONE of you all will last five minutes listening to this guy on the X3 commentary.Im convinced hes mentally challenged

  • April 5, 2007, 1:37 p.m. CST

    More Hulk Dogs!!!

    by Calculon

    Just kidding. When are they going to make a movie for Gypsy Moth? C'mon Marvel, you were actually going to put out Man-Thing, so you might as well drag out the most obscure characters. At least for IFC.

  • April 5, 2007, 1:50 p.m. CST

    The problem with Hulk...

    by Vadakin

    Audiences went into the film, expecting an action film...anyone who remembers the trailer and tv spots knows what I mean. They expected a no-brainer, popcorn "Hulk Smash" movie...what they ended up seeing was a drama, with a little action thrown in. <p> I thought Bana was great as Banner, I even liked ILM's Hulk. The last 10 minutes were a little weird, but it has to be said...the desert San Francisco sequence is one of the best comic book movie action sequences ever. <p> would I have preferred the gamma bomb origin, maybe but at this point it's a non-issue. The fact is, Hulk came out it did ok moneywise...and now Marvel are effectively discarding it. Bad idea. <p> Hulk established an origin, it set up the characters very well and opened the door up for more stories. I want to see Bana, Elliot and Connolly (by the way, isn't Betty supposed to be blonde?) back for the new film. <p> I want to see more drama, more exploration of the conflict within Banner. I'm all for "Hulk Smash", by all means, have an hour long sequence with Hulk taking on the military and then Abomination or something, but don't throw out the framework that Ang Lee laid down. <p> One of my favourite scenes in Hulk was when "the big green" was the dream sequence as Hulk was falling from the fighter jet and we see Banner shaving, Hulk smashes through the mirror and says "Puny Human". <p> That kinda sums up Banner/Hulk for me. Banner's internal demons are what interests me most about the character. <p> I want to see a continuation of Ang Lee's Hulk, not just because I liked the film, but because there's no reason to go backwards. We don't need to see the Hulks origin again...just carry on from there, with Banner in hiding, being pursued by Ross, while looking for a cure.

  • April 5, 2007, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Ricky Ritardo, you wrote:

    by one9deuce

    "King Kong asked the audience to sympathize with the Beast and it worked beautifully. Not the PJ version, mind you, but the original from 1933." <p> Have you seen the original King Kong? What exactly in the original film makes the audience sympathize with Kong? I think you have seen the two remakes too many times. <p> As far as the Hulk is concerned, it's obvious that Ang Lee didn't understand the character. The man is a brilliant filmmaker, but he was the wrong choice for the Hulk. This new guy is an even worse choice though. The Transporter 1 and 2 and Unleashed?! We are going from too much of an artfilm to an empty action spectacle.

  • April 5, 2007, 2:29 p.m. CST

    Just a thought

    by indyjonez100

    What about a talkback for the director of "A Christmas Story" dying in a car crash yesterday. How sad http://tinyurl.com/2dqftv

  • April 5, 2007, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Nothing to do with smarts

    by hallmitchell

    Hulk sucked because it tried to be too clever. Hulk should never be an intellectual movie - looking for motivation and things like that. I'm not saying I want so see formula. Yet there is a balance. Great casting so far. I would prefer no CGI Hulk. Also on transporter. Jason Statham would make a great Daredevil. Man without Fear.

  • April 5, 2007, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Get HULK HOGAN in the role...

    by football

    That's the only way this is gonna be any good. Gggrrrrrrbrothers!!

  • April 5, 2007, 2:56 p.m. CST

    On the sad subject of Bob Clark's death...

    by football

    I totally agree with you, indyjonez100. But let's not forget he also directed the superior original Black Christmas which kick-started all those seasonal slasher movies. Harry, why haven't you written a memorable eulogy to the great man?

  • April 5, 2007, 3 p.m. CST

    indy jonez.... the Bob Clark talkback was up way

    by Seph_J

    before the TV even reported it... but earlier Harry spilt some chilly sauce on the computer and it dripped between the keys on the keyboard and a load of talkbacks dissappeared.

  • April 5, 2007, 3:06 p.m. CST

    9 out of 10 dentists agree.

    by BillyPilgrim

    Bana should be Banner.

  • April 5, 2007, 3:06 p.m. CST

    On the set of the new Hulk film...

    by Seph_J

    after people realise the briliance of the first film. Louis Letterier says: "Stop telling me how to make this movie! I wanna make MY Hulk movie... not another Ang Lee film! You're making me Ang Lee! You wouldn't like me when I'm Ang Lee!!"

  • April 5, 2007, 3:39 p.m. CST

    David Duchovny

    by JERRY HORROR

    Was rumored to play Dr.Banner in this here sequel. I think he is a fine, if not perfect choice for the role. He seems more believable than Eric Bana. I have been reading the Hulk since I was a child. I loved Bill Bixby as Dr.Banner and I feel Mr.Duchovny has that same vibe and could carry the role as a franchise.

  • April 5, 2007, 3:52 p.m. CST

    WILL THE HULK HAVE FLAMES?

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    It won't be rad and 21st century unless he has flames!

  • April 5, 2007, 4:02 p.m. CST

    Its his RAGE not his size!!!!!!!!!!

    by Norm3

    I hated Ang Lee's King Kong. The guy totally missed with this crap movie. Maybe it would help if they would hire a director that grew up reading the damn comic book. Why hire people who have no clue!

  • April 5, 2007, 4:15 p.m. CST

    "You wouldn't like me when I'm Ang Lee"

    by feckdrinkarse

    Racist. Please ban him.

  • April 5, 2007, 4:21 p.m. CST

    the reason why Hulk will be crap

    by misnomer

    is because Hulk is crap period.

  • April 5, 2007, 4:22 p.m. CST

    HULK VS THE JOLLY GREEN GIANT

    by misnomer

    whoever wins...we won't be able to tell.

  • April 5, 2007, 4:23 p.m. CST

    I actually did see that notice

    by Mister Man

    Just didn't read it - d'oh. Was attending UM film school when "Christmas" came out - Clark had a special screening for us - very nice guy. "Porky's" filmed there, of course.

  • April 5, 2007, 4:30 p.m. CST

    Awesome!

    by stvnhthr

    Hulk was okay. It had its moments, but Ang Lee was so so wrong to direct. What the heck were they thinking? I'm pretty excited about this new one.

  • April 5, 2007, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Probably the minority here

    by MrJJonz

    But I really like Ang Lee's Hulk. Desert scene, Puny human scene, the cast, the acting, the cutaways between scene to scene. I even liked the way it plodded along quite gently, especially early on before we got into some Hulk action. Do I want to see 2 hours of pure Hulk smash from the guy who gave us Transporter . . .really no. Transporter sucked big style - actually sucked with no style.<P>Ang Lee brought some quality into the original. Transporter guy will lose all that

  • April 5, 2007, 5:15 p.m. CST

    Tombodet

    by MrJJonz

    The guy directing is the guy responsible for the Transporter films . . .so you know what you'll get on this film. Not sure who is starring in this . .I lost interest when the director was announced

  • April 5, 2007, 5:53 p.m. CST

    When Hulk was in the design stages...

    by emeraldboy

    Ange Lee and James Scahmus, had made a number of Highly successful art house movies. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon, The ice Storm, Sense and Sensibility and ride with the devil. So when they were looking for two of the most creative people in hollywood Universal hooked Lee and schamus straightaway. Hulk did well in its opening weekend but the its not arnie factor kicked. Arnie movies were full of guns, bombs and explosives and quick one liner. people that like arnie/sly movies didnt like Hulk becuase they dont like philosophical films with father/son issues at their core. So unviersal learnt thier lesson and have given the Arnie/sly brigade and in 2008. The Hulk sequel, will be your bog standard, generic dumb and brainless smashathon action movie.

  • April 5, 2007, 5:55 p.m. CST

    There was nothing wrong with the original

    by superninja

    design it was one of the things they got right. Too funny. They'll probably screw it up now.

  • April 5, 2007, 5:57 p.m. CST

    And shouldn't we all be thankful emeraldboy

    by MrJJonz

    I actually now think the rumour of direct to dvd sequel would have been better - at least it could have been swept under the carpet

  • April 5, 2007, 5:58 p.m. CST

    Have to admit although I like me some Eric Bana

    by superninja

    I preferred the action film part of the Hulk movie. The psychological stuff dragged. I know there is a basis for it in the comics, but I felt it was overcomplicated and had too much focus in terms of the plot. You wanted it in the background, not as the focus. Also, it should've been a period film.

  • April 5, 2007, 6 p.m. CST

    I wanted the movie to start at the part with

    by superninja

    Bana's Banner in the jungle.

  • April 5, 2007, 6:02 p.m. CST

    NWOsuxRED, I am with you on Narnia.

    by superninja

    With the exception of Aslan...boring.

  • April 5, 2007, 6:04 p.m. CST

    I felt the first movie was a great starting point

    by MrJJonz

    and if Ang Lee and the cast had continued to a second one there probably have been a better balance between action and pschology . . .alas we will never know

  • April 5, 2007, 6:06 p.m. CST

    I think you're bang on in that assessment...

    by Childe Roland

    ...emeraldboy.<p>But I amintain that, as long as they don't go out of their way to contradict any of what happened in the first movie, it could work as a sequel.<p>Then they need to get someone else to split the difference for a third and final installment. Give Banner some personal resolution...maybe even make a semi-comedic Smart Hulk movie.<p>I'd just hate to see Ang Lee's Hulk completely flushed because a lot of younger cartoon fans and older comic purists didn't dig it.

  • April 5, 2007, 6:07 p.m. CST

    And I loved the CGI Hulk

    by MrJJonz

    I thought the facial expressions on it looked immense. Any other company taking on the CGI from here have their work cut out

  • April 5, 2007, 6:07 p.m. CST

    Well, they could make the films reflect Banner's

    by superninja

    different psychological states instead of trying to redo Ang's film just make the next film about the Gray Hulk.

  • April 5, 2007, 6:08 p.m. CST

    Those of you bashing Ang as "not getting the Hulk"

    by Immortal_Fish

    Did you know he played him? Motion capture, of course. There are subtle nuances aplenty that he brought to playing the Hulk (the rest of the movie aside). The imbalance after crashing through a wall. The flailing arms when he was in a downward descent after leaping. The way he moved his shoulders while hefting the large gamma batteries. If "he didn't get the Hulk," then she sure did get how he moved. This man is a director, not Andy Serkis, and he did a fucking phenomenal job.

  • April 5, 2007, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Sequel to a flop...I'll never figure out movie studios.

    by minderbinder

    Idiots. And don't try and tell me that turkey was a good movie.

  • April 5, 2007, 6:12 p.m. CST

    Those of you claiming "Hulk was too dramatic"

    by Immortal_Fish

    Do you realize how many Tales to Astonish covers proudly proclaimed that what was inside was a soap opera?

  • April 5, 2007, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Never Gets Old

    by Roboteer

    Don't make me Ang Lee. You wouldn't like me Ang Lee.... Okay, maybe finally Too Much, Too Soon.

  • April 5, 2007, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Here is my question: how much better would the

    by superninja

    film have been with the flashbacks and the father issues, but without actually having to have Nolte as Banner's father (and his Hulk dogs) in the film much less be the scientist responsible? This seems to be more of not trusting the intelligence of the audience to be able to connect the theme to the overall story without paint-by-numbers. I hate that kind of stuff.

  • April 5, 2007, 6:14 p.m. CST

    The how about "not the right kind of drama" as in

    by superninja

    largely unsuccessful in what it was attempting?

  • April 5, 2007, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Those of you claiming "Hulk too heavy on psych angle"

    by Immortal_Fish

    Don't you realize how many times the psyche came up in the source material? The multiple personality disorder of the character? How they've merged, unmerged, etc. with new psyches developing over time?<P>Do you know who the Devil Hulk is?<P>Do you know that Doc Samson, a recurring character is... a psychologist?

  • April 5, 2007, 6:21 p.m. CST

    Those of you complaining about Hulk dogs

    by Immortal_Fish

    http://tinyurl.com/2euyqb<P>Or, if you prefer...<P>http://tinyurl.com/2dqj6z

  • April 5, 2007, 6:21 p.m. CST

    Paint by numbers

    by MrJJonz

    Give the average audience paint by numbers and all they want is heavier action. Don't try them with more subtle stuff. It makes their heads ache in ways they have never felt before

  • April 5, 2007, 6:21 p.m. CST

    I'm confused...

    by wadi77

    Why? Why? Why? Why reboot? Why remake? Why not sequel? Why not let Michael Bay do it? Huh? **running away**

  • April 5, 2007, 6:23 p.m. CST

    2nd Hulk dog picture

    by MrJJonz

    LOL

  • April 5, 2007, 6:30 p.m. CST

    superninja

    by Immortal_Fish

    <P>"largely unsuccessful in what it was attempting?"<P>We're dealing with the subjective here. You didn't dig it. That's perfectly fine. But the movie was grounded well enough in the source material, given both comic and TV. By now, surely you identify me as a mostly purist. Every character was spot-on, save Talbot. He never would have worked against Ross and genuinely loved Betty.<P>Ang did a fantastic job. I've seen the movie well over 10 times and I find something new in it each and every time I watch. That whole Asian film making style of letting the film do the talking for itself.

  • April 5, 2007, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Was I the only one that thought Eric Bana looked like

    by corvette63

    Corey Feldman and the hulk looked gotarted?

  • April 5, 2007, 6:33 p.m. CST

    MrJJonz and Immortal Fish

    by superninja

    This movie was trying to be smart, but if it was it would've successfully layered the intelligence beneath the action movie. Instead, it sort of comes across as two separate movies fighting for attention. I mean you can say that makes it more artistic and maybe, but I don't think it makes it more watchable - it's disjointed.

  • April 5, 2007, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Hulk's facial animation was better than Gollum's

    by Calico Pete

    The Hulk's "acting" was lot better than Gollum's. Gollum spent the last 2 movies mugging away with hugely exaggerated facial expressions. Hulk was more nuanced and subtle. In the scene where he sees his father for the first time, right before he busts out of the lab, he is much more effective than anything ILM did with Yoda, or Weta did with Gollum. <br><br> As for the film itself, it's got its flaws, but it also has quiet, meditative, poetic moments that make it extraordinary. The contemplative isolation of the desert. Hulk closing his eyes as he flies through air, letting himself relax and take in the wind. An energy jellyfish hovering over a moonlit desert basin. Hulk's electricity-fueled dad lightning-bolting across a storm in almost comic-booky static panels. Brilliant. Where else will you see such dynamic visual poetry in a comic book adaptation?

  • April 5, 2007, 6:34 p.m. CST

    You know I really don't want to slam it because

    by superninja

    at least it had real ambition and was willing to take a risk. I also liked the split screen stuff and the artistry. I just felt that it was not cohesive.

  • April 5, 2007, 6:36 p.m. CST

    Missed opportunity for Ang's Hulk

    by Immortal_Fish

    When McFarlane (yeah, yeah, I know) was on board, he reintroduced the Leader in compelling fashion that also made a boatload of sense. This template was virtually aped in Ang's film, down to David Banner's job as a janitor at a research facility along with his penchant for Harry Reems inspired 70s porn mustachios.<P>Nolte should have been Sterns. This the biggest out of the few regrets I have with Ang's Hulk.

  • April 5, 2007, 6:39 p.m. CST

    I agree, that would've made much more sense.

    by superninja

    There is a lot of 6 degrees of seperation in film in general, but it gets abused in comic book movies in particular it seems. I fail to see why everyone has to have a personal connection except for in the PoMo view doing what is right or wrong is only relative so they have to make it personal.

  • April 5, 2007, 6:40 p.m. CST

    Superninja

    by MrJJonz

    I see where you are coming from with the 2 films battling each other. But, personally, it just works for me. Hulk is the superhero film I can watch over and over. None of the others have done that for me. Hell, some films strike a cord for some people and not for others. I didn't like Batman Begins . . .which really makes me a minority

  • April 5, 2007, 6:40 p.m. CST

    superninja, re: Two separate movies

    by Immortal_Fish

    Jackson's King Kong is two separate movies. Kill Bill viewed back to back are two separate movies. Hulk? If it's not your style, then it's more of a "snore, WOW, snore, snore, WOW, snore, WOW, ...uhm, what?" kinda event.<P>Hey, it's about time you and I disagreed on something!

  • April 5, 2007, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Plus, Ang Lee could've had fun with the Leader's

    by superninja

    design and characterization. There was no need to bring the Absorbing Man angle into it, either. However, I still laugh out loud every time at the Nolte scene - right out of a bad acting class monologue.

  • April 5, 2007, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Yeah, and Jackson's King Kong mostly is a snorefest.

    by superninja

    The only part of Kong that's any good is the stuff on the Island with the girl. Kill Bill 2 sucks compared to 1.

  • April 5, 2007, 6:42 p.m. CST

    Calico

    by MrJJonz

    Great call on the facial expressions. Loads of emotion in it. I just love the giant hiding under the tree shot (how the fuck does he hide so well) and the look on his face when Betty spots him

  • April 5, 2007, 6:43 p.m. CST

    please, god, or wheover else is out there...

    by darth sars

    DON'T put giant mutant poodles in this movie. Ang's Hulk sucked because it missed out on the action... there just wasn't enough of it, considering the source material. i braved watching this movie a 2nd time a few years ago, and wish i had learned my lesson in the theatre. it just plain sucked.

  • April 5, 2007, 6:44 p.m. CST

    Batman Begins is saved for me by the characterization

    by superninja

    of Batman himself. Interesting character, the rest of it is not as good as it pretends to be.

  • April 5, 2007, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Lack of action??

    by MrJJonz

    Keeps getting levelled at Hulk (best action scene in superhero film is the desert scene) while this is never really mentioned in Batman . . lack of action and when it did happen they were badly shot

  • April 5, 2007, 6:47 p.m. CST

    The Hulk himself is the best part of The Hulk.

    by superninja

    The animation is impressive. I'm not sure as much of a fully realized character as Gollum, though. I still think Serkis should've won an award for that scene where he is arguing with himself, I loved that!

  • April 5, 2007, 6:48 p.m. CST

    I feel Batman Begins gets such good ratings

    by MrJJonz

    because of how bad Schumachers efforts were. Anything more adult themed would have been greatly received.<P>Big problem for me though is I'm sure Batman kills in it. After the jedi style training in not beheading the thief he blows up everyone in that building and only saves Neeson

  • April 5, 2007, 6:48 p.m. CST

    MrJJonz that is largely based on the fact that

    by superninja

    most people percieve the Hulk as "Hulk smash!".

  • April 5, 2007, 6:50 p.m. CST

    Oh now we'll get plenty of "hulk smash"

    by MrJJonz

    in the next film but I fear very little else. I hope and pray that this sequel will be enjoyable . . .over more than 1 watching would be nice . . .but I'll take enjoyable for 1 watching at this moment

  • April 5, 2007, 6:54 p.m. CST

    He didn't blow up everyone in the building.

    by superninja

    They were terrorists storing explosive chemicals to kill thousands of people. They were all highly trained and had an equal chance of making it out as Bruce did. He didn't save Ducard in the end when he could have - that is much more questionable.

  • April 5, 2007, 6:58 p.m. CST

    I'm not sure of the equal chance

    by MrJJonz

    afterall he is The Bat no matter how early on in his creation he is . . also plenty of them got thrown about like ragdolls during the explosions but I do take your point

  • April 5, 2007, 7:08 p.m. CST

    Begins and the killing

    by Immortal_Fish

    Get a pass while Affleck's DareDevil is criticized by fanboys for being a killer. "Do you know that sound? It's the A-TRAIN!" At least DD went for the Starchamber approach.<P>My biggest disappointment in BB was that Bale in the cowl spoke like a Baldwin. And I despise me those Baldwins.

  • April 5, 2007, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Kill Bill 1 vs Kill Bill 2

    by Immortal_Fish

    Wow, supes! You're two for two tonight! KB2 was a return to form for Tarantino IMO, given the cartoon that was KB1.<P>Things I learned from KB...<P>You can fly overseas coach with a carry-on sword.<P>The streets in Japan are mild, both those rooftops are mighty chilly.<P>It only takes about 40-minutes to recover from a coma.<P>Bite a man's lower lip off and he dies.

  • April 5, 2007, 7:13 p.m. CST

    I think I'm too close to the Miller and Loeb

    by MrJJonz

    Batman. I think I watched BB thinking it was going to be closer to Year One. It would have been nice to see someone unsure of themselves in the cape and cowl and utter the line "Lucky amateur". Also feel that Gordon is just as important to the Batman scene as Batman is and Gordon always gets sold short int he films . . .and with BB they had the perfect casting for him

  • April 5, 2007, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Immortal Fish significant in Daredevil because

    by superninja

    he is a lawyer and only apprehends criminals to turn them over the justice system, much like Batman.

  • April 5, 2007, 7:20 p.m. CST

    MrJJonz, re: Gordon

    by Immortal_Fish

    Easy Reader stole the show from Dr. Smith. I agree he should have had a beefier part. What really irked me is that he drove the friggin Batmobile. Granted, it was a display of trust between the two, which you could arguably claim was earned during the course of the film. I still think it was way too much trust way too soon.

  • April 5, 2007, 7:21 p.m. CST

    You don't start a Daredevil movie with the premise

    by superninja

    that the lawyer doesn't believe in the justice system - that's like movie #2. Daredevil had personal demons, but he was not the Punisher.

  • April 5, 2007, 7:26 p.m. CST

    Driving the Batmobile

    by MrJJonz

    Fuck me that part sucked . . as well as Gordon making funny quips about it. <P>Bizarrely, I'm real interested in Heath Ledger doing Joker. I'm not that keen on Ledger but he can't do any worse than Nicholson. I would have loved to have seen Hamill lose a load of weight and play him with That Voice. He was almost there when he played Cock-knocker

  • April 5, 2007, 7:29 p.m. CST

    I Liked Daredevil

    by MrJJonz

    when he pulled out the tooth and popped the pain killers. Apart from that all a wee bit dodgy . . .although I have read some DD since . . .ahh bollocks just Miller and Loebs version . . .I know, I'm shallow at best

  • April 5, 2007, 7:36 p.m. CST

    Supes

    by Immortal_Fish

    "he is a lawyer and only apprehends criminals to turn them over the justice system, much like Batman."<P>I agree. Wayne shouldn't have allowed Rah's goons to cook.

  • April 5, 2007, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Agreed on Gordon, but what little of him there

    by superninja

    is darned if you don't immediately connect with the character. I think Oldman captured him perfectly. He has that slight sense of downtrodden about him, that sensitivity that makes him a good cop.

  • April 5, 2007, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Did Batman kill in Batman returns

    by MrJJonz

    or Schumachers shitfest or was it really just the 60's show that held true to such an important part of Bats.<P>And I do keep expecting Messi to log on and call me a cunt for bad mouthing BB - to messi it seems to be holy ground

  • April 5, 2007, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Did any cooking actually take place, or just explosions

    by superninja

    Because in movies explosions does not automatically = death. I am looking more for a deliberate act like Daredevil or the end of the film when he lets Ducard get it.

  • April 5, 2007, 7:40 p.m. CST

    The deaths are more suggested

    by MrJJonz

    but I think are definitely there . . .just probably more audience friendly way of doing it

  • April 5, 2007, 7:43 p.m. CST

    MrJJonz, re: tooth popping

    by Immortal_Fish

    Isn't it a shame that the playground scene ruined the flick for so many? I can look past it, but, well.<P>The showdown with King Pin should have been saved for later, and I reluctantly agree with superninja about Murdock losing faith in the justice system also best being save for a sequel (even though the character had already resorted to being a vigilante for some reason).<P>Ultimately, what spoiled the experience for me was Colin Farrel. I fucking hate the guy, thus rarely watch anything he is in. And the whole bit about someone in a church asking forgiveness from a man in a devil costume while his palms bleed was a bit much for me. And I'm agnostic!

  • April 5, 2007, 7:46 p.m. CST

    The tug of war with Murdoch is that he thought

    by superninja

    the system could be rehabed, he didn't want to toss it out entirely, so he walked a line. The DD film was never that smart or subtle, it's dumb as a rock, like a baseball bat to the head. Casting for Kingpin was all wrong and the playground scene was unbelievably stupid. Elektra was the best character in the film by far.

  • April 5, 2007, 7:48 p.m. CST

    And I'm agnostic

    by MrJJonz

    Way to make me spew beer from my nose in laughter.<P>I did actually turn a blind eye to the playground scene for ages . . but it now kind of sums the film up for me. Shit they are so contrasting the tooth popping and the playground. Stick to the tooth popping and there could be one hell of a film

  • April 5, 2007, 7:50 p.m. CST

    Kevin Smith latched onto the Catholic symbolism

    by superninja

    a little too hard and so did Johnson. Johnson seems preoocupied with this kind of stuff if you ask me - look at Ghost Rider. Comparing a guy in a gimp suit who just tossed someone under the A train with Christ is missing the point to say the least.

  • April 5, 2007, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Buddy Christ always makes me laugh though

    by MrJJonz

    <em>

  • April 5, 2007, 7:53 p.m. CST

    I appreciate both sides of this argument

    by INWOsuxRED

    I am very conflicted on Ang Lee's Hulk. I was drawn into the early drama of the film on first viewing, but I don't have much desire to see it again. I loved the cgi Hulk and lots of that big Hulk vs tanks and helicoptors stuff exceeded my expectations. The characters were all mostly acceptable. The end with his dad becoming super-absorbing man was just such a terrible letdown. I lean more towards calling it an admirable failure. I like what they tried to do, and I would like to see that team come back and do more work, even though I didn't think the first one was a success.

  • April 5, 2007, 7:54 p.m. CST

    I thought that Daredevil came across as very

    by superninja

    self-absorbed. There is really no purely heroic moment in the film, he's just all about himself.

  • April 5, 2007, 7:56 p.m. CST

    But INWOsuxRED

    by MrJJonz

    would you prefer to see one closer to the original or one where "Hulk smash" and that is all he does which is what I fear Transporter guy will bring us

  • April 5, 2007, 7:59 p.m. CST

    The rain scene was clever, though.

    by superninja

    It did something that the comics could not fully realize.

  • April 5, 2007, 8:01 p.m. CST

    The rain scene I liked

    by MrJJonz

    though I did reminisce of Pitch Balck during it but I did think well suited to DD's abilities

  • April 5, 2007, 8:02 p.m. CST

    And yes

    by MrJJonz

    I did much prefer Pitch Balck to Pitch Black. I am a proof reading chump

  • April 5, 2007, 8:04 p.m. CST

    I will be intrigued to see some pics

    by MrJJonz

    of the redesigned Hulk though. It'll be ineteresting to see which direction they take the look of him in considering the amount of designs there are in the comics

  • April 5, 2007, 9:02 p.m. CST

    I love the Hulk

    by cerebulon

    I thought it was a good, solid movie. I bought it as soon as it came out. I watch it every time it plays on TV. Next to Spiderman 2, it's my favorite Superhero movie. Re-invention my fat green ass.

  • April 5, 2007, 9:12 p.m. CST

    History tells us...

    by LoungeLizard

    The French can't work within the Hollywood studio system: Kassovitz went from La Haine to Gothika. The brilliant Jeunet went from Delicatessen & The City Of Lost Children to Alien 4. Christopher Gans from Le Pacte des Loupes to the disappointing Silent Hill. Poiré made the hilarious Les Visiteurs and went to Hollywood to remake it into the inferior, Just Visiting. Pitof went from the impressive debut Vidocq to direct the Razzie favourite, Catwoman. Should I have much hope for Leterrier...? Unlike the above, Leterrier has yet to make a film of any substance. His past three movies have been action-oriented Besson drivel. Oh, and on the casting side, I hope they go for someone like Steve Buscemi if they're going for an older Banner, or a scruffed-up Sam Rockwell if they're going for the younger type...

  • April 5, 2007, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Damn shame Ang Lee isn't directing...

    by Octaveaeon

    I really thought he set up the story well. Definately one of the better 'superhero' movies; even better than Spider Man 1 or X-Men 1, simply because it took more risks, despite these being what what alienated so many. Good soundtrack, interesting editing techniques, good effects. The Desert action sequence was better than anything in Spider Man 1 (the special effects were more intense and convincing), and even better than anything shown in the X-Men (the last one is not even worth mentioning- amazing how many are willing to defend that piece of shit, particularly since it destroyed what was developing beautifully). Let's face it, deviations from the original comics aside, the movie pushed the bar. It's not perfect, but its craftmanship is undeniable. The Talbot character annoyed me quite a bit, and I don't think Nolte did justice to the younger dad and his character arc. And I would have preferred a less 'supervillainy' showdown, at least in the first movie. Otherwise I enjoyed all the other characters, the acting, and the themes it touched upon. The gradual set up was also well done. Where they seem to want to go from here doesn't bode well. I guess we have the success of X-Men 3 to thank for that. Praise the thumbless mouth-breathers.

  • April 5, 2007, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Bloody Hell - -it's a Hulk love-in

    by MrJJonz

    Never thought I would see it. Now I'm feeling less of a minority.

  • April 5, 2007, 9:37 p.m. CST

    Well, I want to see Hulk smash

    by INWOsuxRED

    but not JUST Hulk smash. I can't think of a major Hulk story that appeals to me. The only time I was ever a regular reader was Peter David's time with gray Hulk, so I don't have enough attatchment to the character and original continuity to tell you what I want to see, other than the vague "good story" and "good effects" and "good action". I couldn't give you a formula for what will or won't work, and I have never seen the Transporter. I guess I'm open to seeing what happens, but not invested enough to care if it is bad.

  • April 5, 2007, 10:21 p.m. CST

    Speaking of good Hulk stories...

    by Calico Pete

    ...anyone know when we're going to get the next issue of Ultimate Hulk vs Wolverine? What is it now, like, 18 months late? <br><br> Anyway, Avi Arad said to an audience at the Cinequest film festival last year that he would love it if Ang Lee came back for The Incredible Hulk. I guess that idea went out the window at Marvel when Arad left. <br><br> BTW, Hulk would've been a more even film if the studio hadn't tried shoehorning the concept of a super villain into it for the 3rd act. It could've been all Army vs Hulk, saving Absorbo for some other time. (but then they would've lost some very interesting imagery) <br><br> As an aside, I have a theory (developed via experiments conducted on myself, by myself) that folks who dug the Hulk and its more arty visual touches (idiosyncrasies really, when compared to other summer fare) also liked the scene in The Punisher when the guitarist assassin walks into the diner, pulls out the guitar, and sings Castle a tune. It was such a non-formulaic moment, so *bizarre* in a way, that it made the movie unique among similar guy-getting-revenge movies. I love stuff like that, that tells you the world is just a bit stranger and weirder than you believed when you got out of bed that morning, and Hulk was full of unconventional touches like this too. So who's with me on this? Here's to more superhero flix showing that spark of personality rather than adhering to the safe template. Iron Man is our next best hope for unconventionality.

  • April 5, 2007, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Sascha Baron Cohen as Banner...

    by DoctorWho?

    He can wrestle nude Hulk in hotel room. THAT shit was just wrong.

  • April 5, 2007, 10:52 p.m. CST

    they have no choice but to redesign the hulk because

    by dr.bulber

    jose canseco wants more money.

  • April 5, 2007, 10:55 p.m. CST

    That's because the French have bad taste in

    by superninja

    everything. Unless it is about food and sex, they have no idea what they are talking about.

  • April 5, 2007, 11:10 p.m. CST

    Still have reservations on Iron Man.

    by superninja

    Especially after Marvel's recent straight-to-video snoozefest where they retooled his origin. One would presume to match more closely with what is being filmed.

  • April 5, 2007, 11:26 p.m. CST

    In better news,....

    by magnetoelectric

    Northern News(Northern Illinois University's Magazine)Is reporting that Kurt Sutter ( writer for The Shield)is working on Punisher2

  • April 6, 2007, 1:50 a.m. CST

    KIRBY LIVES!!!

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    and he's writing scripts!!!! <P> i hant put my finger on what went wrong with hulk...visually its a beautiful film and the action (when there WAS action) was pretty cool, like the tank fight. but heres the deal...ive never walked out of a movie...ive never slept in a movie....however...Hulk made me fall the fuck asleep...even my undying love for cinema couldnt keep me awake. thats where we have a problem. a movie about a big giant monster smashing shit makes people fall asleep. i blame the score. it was a pretty forgetable one.

  • April 6, 2007, 2:16 a.m. CST

    Lee's Hulk

    by Napoleon Park

    About casting, I read at some website (this one) that Adrien Brody would be Robert David Bruce Banner, and I think he looks perfect for the part. *** I've discussed this movie so often with friends who avidly hated it that's I've nearly forgotten how much I liked it. I mean, not all comic book movies should follow the exact same formula and plug in a different secret identity and different color cape. and Hulk tried tobe different. *** but to explain my topic line, I found it very distracting when a handful of folks refered to the movie as "Lee's Hulk". The person named Lee associated with the Hulk is Stan lee, who co-created the character with Jack Kirby. "Lee's Hulk" is the Stan Lee/Jack Kirby version. and I can see Lee/Kirby getting writing credit if they actually do a direct adaptation of some of the stories, use the original plots, and quote actual dialog from the comics. (Even as the artist of the team, Kirby often scrawled suggested dialog in the borders and gutters of the pencil art and you know Stan found it easy to just go ahead and use it.) *** I was also surprised by the vanishing "Lost" talkback, so I;m glad that was explained. I meant to read the red headlined "site repair" notice, but I came here first. *** And to end with a quote from my friend who didn't like Ang's movie, "If a picture with Jennifer Connolly advertises brief nudity, THIS (refering to Bana's nude scene) is NOT what I had in mind." Amen to that, brother.

  • April 6, 2007, 4:34 a.m. CST

    Franco-Belgian comics

    by LoungeLizard

    I wish European directors would focus their energy on the plethora of Franco-Belgian comics available to them. Perhaps the issue of rights is the stumbling block but certain comics are ripe for adaptation: Tintin, Pharaoh, Blake and Mortimer (e.g. The Yellow "M"). Yoko Tsuno, Red Knight, XIII.

  • April 6, 2007, 9:23 a.m. CST

    About Ang Lee's HULK...

    by Chishu_Ryu

    Although it didn't please everyone, I'm glad he made it, and I'm glad it's out there. Sure, they're making a re-boot to (try to) please the masses and fan base, but we'll always have Ang Lee's "HULK". Possibly the first (and only) super-hero comic book art movie ever. Most other super-hero movies have never gone beyond the level of mass entertainment, and while there's nothing wrong with that, for a high-minded individual like myself who appreciates truly great cinematic art, Asian and European cinema, and American independent films, I(and others like me) truly appreciate what Ang Lee accomplished. Tim Burton's "BATMAN" movies were great, and Voerhoeven's "ROBOCOP" was good, but I feel they didn't reach the level of complexity of Lee's "HULK"(no, not Stan Lee's Hulk, because The Gargoyle or The Ringmaster would've made a truly great Hulk movie villain!). From the first frame to the last, every cinematic element of the film contributed to Ang Lee's/James Schamus's philosophical idea of the character. The editing: Edits "morph" into the next edit, expressing the idea of Hulk's own transformation and change. The multi-frame sequences express the idea of alternate existences and selves, not only Banner's alter-id/ego, but the film's other characters, as well. The cinematography: We see the Hulk's traditional purple and green colors themed throughout the film. The dream-like shots of the desert which don't let us or Banner forget the Hulk's dark origins. The imagery of nuclear mushroom clouds and mushroom shaped jelly-fish, again expressing the growing transformative idea of Hulk, as well as the idea of Hulk as a force of nature, of both the atom and the gene. I could go on. The music: Danny Elfman's brilliant score is layered with East Asian and African elements, expressing Hulk's zen-like and primal nature. The film's themes: Great directors, in essence, make the same film. Ang Lee, with "HULK", continued his cinematic exploration of the idea of repressed selves being freed from a cocoon, then growing and changing through this freedom. We initially see Hulk as an idea, a dream. Then we see Hulk finally free of the Banner shell, like a baby. Throughout the film, the Hulk changes, grows, gets larger, much like a baby becoing a man. Each of Hulk's adversaries or alternate/bizarro versions grow with him. We first see a Hulk rat, then the Hulk dogs, then Banner's father himself becomes a version of the Hulk, each to test Hulk's transforming levels. Only, Banner's father becomes an out-of-control Hulk, an extreme and dangerous idea of the atom and the gene, a mushroom cloud and jellyfish in one (that giant mushroom thing he becomes over the desert lake), an ultimate embodiment of knowledge, freedom, transformation, and growth that kills him in the end. Nick Nolte, as David Banner, delivers the telling line in the film, "To go beyond our God-given boundaries." This is the idea that permeates the film. Every element in the film contributes to it. "HULK" is probably one of the finest super-hero films we'll ever see. Enjoy it. Appreciate it. While we may finally get to see the AMC multiplex version of the Hulk to please the masses, we'll always have the wild weird film that is Ang Lee's "HULK". 'Nuff said.

  • April 6, 2007, 12:27 p.m. CST

    If there are going to be anymore Hulk films

    by emeraldboy

    then at least M night should do one.

  • April 6, 2007, 1:31 p.m. CST

    Nice interprative summary Chishu_Ryu

    by Octaveaeon

    of what made Ang Lee's 'Hulk' a great watch, and far from being boring or pretentious. Unfortunately, it is most fans that don't take the objects of their desire seriously. Hence its etymological association with fanaticism. Unreasoned attachments to things perverts what we desire and marginalizes interesting alternatives. It's okay if Ang Lee doesn't do the second one, even if I would have liked to see him continue what he started, but the talent that is being attached to this 're-boot' seems to be going in the direction of the lowest common denominator just to cash in on the franchise. Where's the respect in that? I also thought that the effects in Narnia sucked donkey balls.

  • April 6, 2007, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Share costs/profits... I want "SUPERMAN VS. THE HULK"

    by JDanielP

    You know, ...this makes the most sense to me, from the perspective of both studios. Why can't "SUPERMAN VS. THE HULK" happen? Think about it. Think about how such a flick would drop the risk for BOTH studios, ...dropping the risk for BOTH sequels... while raising the return. Can you imagine just how HUGE a flick like this could be?! I mean, ...how could this loose??? ...And it could even be a two-parter, being sequels for both flicks! Give Superman his far more popular colors and enlarge that "S" chest-emblem... and don't allow the HULK to grow taller than 8 feet (and no shorter than 7 feet). Damn it! I'd pay three times the price of admission to see "SUPERMAN VS. THE HULK"!!!

  • April 6, 2007, 3:34 p.m. CST

    Yes the Ang Lee Hulk was a downer

    by Rupee88

    Did anyone smile once in that entire film? I don't remember it happening. And when he fought the dogs and the thing at the end, it was so dark, you couldn't even tell what was going on. The scene with the Hulk in the desert is the only redeeming part of the entire film.

  • April 7, 2007, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Waste Of Budget

    by MarkoOhNo

    Just make a freakin sequel! What the hell?! Why walk all over Ang Lee like that?! His Hulk absolutely rocked theaters! Changing everything and doing it over? Why not go rent a gun and a bullet, walk down to the studio and play Russian Roulette?

  • April 7, 2007, 6 p.m. CST

    On The Bright Side

    by MarkoOhNo

    At least this film doesn't have Michael Bay or Don Murphey anywhere behind the wheel.... :P