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AICN debuts the two new TRANSFORMERS one-sheets!!!

Published at: March 26, 2007, 11:02 p.m. CST by headgeek

Hey folks, Harry here with the two new TRANSFORMERS one-sheets that you'll apparently get to see in tomorrow's USA TODAY, but why wait for USA TOMORROW, when you can see it AICN TONIGHT? Right? Actually - I bet these begin to show up everywhere in a little bit. What do I think - I love love love the Optimus Prime one... That Mouth Shield thing just feels right - and Megatron - Well - he's still alien to me. I suppose it's just a matter of seeing him in context - but right now - he looks like a cool badass robot - just not what my brain thinks of when I think Megatron. However, at this point - I just want to see Giant Fucking Robots blowing each other up. With giant fucking arm cannons and energy weapons and I want the human characters reduced to the ants we all know that they are, in the face of GIANT FUCKING ROBOTS! And I want Life Size Transformer Standees in gigantic theater lobbies - for folks to pose with. Wouldn't that be cool? And they need to have giant Truckasauruses eating cars outside all the screenings. And Optimus Prime cell phone messages. And I want a car company to make transforming cars that I can own. So my car can just walk over traffic jams to get to the frontage road so I can get on my way. I've put too much thought into this. Here's the posters - click for GIANT FUCKING ROBOTS sizes!











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  • March 26, 2007, 10:29 p.m. CST

    First Bitches

    by ShogunMaster

    Prime looks cool; not sure about Megatron...

  • March 26, 2007, 10:30 p.m. CST

    neat

    by gusradio

    yay

  • March 26, 2007, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Damn you.. oh wait...

    by strongbadmonkey

    I'm not the one who's supposed to say that...

  • March 26, 2007, 10:31 p.m. CST

    the tagline should read

    by isildur29

    LAME unless they showed that girls tits from the trailer my god she is hot

  • March 26, 2007, 10:32 p.m. CST

    whatever i'm lying

    by isildur29

    i'm not too excited for this movie but the promo materials are pretty awesome

  • March 26, 2007, 10:32 p.m. CST

    GODS DAMN YOU, MICHAEL BAY

    by Pennsy

    If this were BSG-world, that is.

  • March 26, 2007, 10:34 p.m. CST

    GIANT FUCKING ROBOTS!!!!!!!!!!

    by TouchMyMonkey

    bring it on!

  • March 26, 2007, 10:36 p.m. CST

    This movie is going to be fucking awesome

    by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz

    I can't wait to see robots blowing shit up. :-) <BR> <BR> One sheets look great!

  • March 26, 2007, 10:37 p.m. CST

    Symbols on their faces

    by Hunter-X

    What are those symbols on various parts of their faces? Cybertronian for "made in Japan"? I'm dying to see the robots in action. When's the new trailer coming out? Anyone?

  • March 26, 2007, 10:39 p.m. CST

    WOW

    by redshirt

    I'm not even a geek, but I'm getting kinda jazzed for this. Any idea of the rating?

  • March 26, 2007, 10:39 p.m. CST

    BAWK!!! Megatron looks like a chicken!!! BAWK!!!

    by Negative Man

    That Megatron profile is THE funniest thing I've seen in the past few days! BWAHAHAHAHA!!! Megatron is a ROBOT CHICKEN!!! Optimus Prime looks aces, though.

  • March 26, 2007, 10:43 p.m. CST

    If I knew, I would have submitted to the Optimus line..

    by Negative Man

    ...contest "Megatron! Give up, you pecker!" Sorry...just...I just had to get that out...

  • March 26, 2007, 10:46 p.m. CST

    I guess they've decided...

    by MaxTheSilent

    On whether Optimus should have lips or not.

  • March 26, 2007, 10:51 p.m. CST

    Bring on the Beautiful Hate

    by 12-GAUGE

    These look seriously awesome, but God bless it: bring on that hate. I love the way this movie will fail, no matter what, in certain people's eyes because of some weird attachment to childhood objects. Next thing you know, Brett Ratner will be on board for Chuck E. Cheese: the Movie, and you'll still have people complaining about some rapid abuse of source material. I'm trying to say I love you guys!

  • March 26, 2007, 10:52 p.m. CST

    One of my most anticipated movies for this summer

    by AlwaysThere

    I loved "The Island" and just wish that it had been seen by more people. However, it appears that Mr. Bay took some of the cool stuff and it incorporating it into this movie which will be seen my a wider audience. Hopefully they appreciate his work and find the time to finally check out "The Island."

  • March 26, 2007, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Optimus looks fucking awesome

    by Angry Mean Panda

    Yes, I realize the movie is already hated by all of you who believe Transformers was something deeper than a cartoon about robots that turn into vehicles. Unfortunately for you, it wasn't. I will check my brain at the door and enjoy this shit.

  • March 26, 2007, 10:55 p.m. CST

    Well Frackin' said Harry!

    by moto

    I just don't get why any fanboy would NOT want to see this movie! Even just to see Transformers battling it out. Just for that. Oh well. Who cares. You Grindhouse TBers say I'm no fun! Let go just a little bit guys:) And I don't care anymore! Superninja and Yackbacker... my friends, it's been great dueling it out! Honestly. You guys are awesome and I respect your viewpoints. But I can't fucking wait to see this movie. And I'm going to try my best to stay off the Transformers TBs saying the same shit over and over with ya. We'll talk Transformers AFTER THE MOVIE COMES OUT. Seriously, I'll pay the money to see Transformers. That's it. Autobots fighting Decepticons. Plain and simple. Peter Cullen's voice coming out of that face mask! Explosions. Action. Adventure. Even if the human stories suck, I'll pay to see all of that shit because IT'S ENTERTAINMENT, and because I'm a G1 Transformers fan to the extreme and any true fan with the kid still inside them will go see this movie. If there are shitty elements, hey, it's better than nothing. We can't always get what we want 100%. Live with it. But I respect naysayers' viewpoints 100%. You're just showing the love for the original show. Nothing wrong with that. It's been fun.

  • March 26, 2007, 10:57 p.m. CST

    optimus prime gotta eat

    by Mr_X

    but he can't as he's got no mouth. damm you micheal bay! actuallly looks pretty cool and i for one welcome our new giant robot overloads

  • March 26, 2007, 10:59 p.m. CST

    Nice posters

    by jimmy_009

    Not so excited about this movie, but those posters look good.

  • March 26, 2007, 11 p.m. CST

    Megatron...

    by jimmy_009

    Kind of looks like a tamed down version the Shrike from Hyperion.

  • March 26, 2007, 11:05 p.m. CST

    Meh.

    by TheJake

    Alotta good cool posters do when the movie itself is doomed to be garbage.

  • March 26, 2007, 11:06 p.m. CST

    Damn you Michael Bay

    by THE KNIGHT

    Damn you Michael Bay

  • March 26, 2007, 11:07 p.m. CST

    Looks pretty cool

    by THE KNIGHT

    I'll eat my words...

  • March 26, 2007, 11:09 p.m. CST

    IS NICE!

    by SpencerTrilby

    I can't wait to sneak into a theater nearby to check this out. I mean, with all due respect for Spielby I usually buy tickets to see movies, not 2-hours-long toy commercials. Anyway, I'm sure the SFX will kick ass. And watching a F22 Raptor, or Meagan Fox, will give me a boner for sure.

  • March 26, 2007, 11:09 p.m. CST

    I like the Prime poster

    by INWOsuxRED

    but not the other one. I still think Michael Bay's attack on internet nerds is probably the most telling point of where this film is headed, and that is it will suck.

  • March 26, 2007, 11:10 p.m. CST

    Megatron needs a nosejob.

    by Boondock Devil

    As far as teaser posters they're pretty good. I've got to admit that Prime looks pretty much like Prime.

  • March 26, 2007, 11:18 p.m. CST

    Can't wait to see 80 mph transformations

    by Rindain

    The action should be insane...there will be stuff we have never seen on film before, and for that reason alone I'll be there opening night.

  • March 26, 2007, 11:21 p.m. CST

    I like Optimus except for the eyes. Megatron

    by superninja

    just looks terrible.

  • March 26, 2007, 11:21 p.m. CST

    Megatron? Cluck. Cluck.

    by StupidAndUgly

    I know he cant be a gun. I know that they cant look like the cartoons. Megatron looks HORRIBLE! Like a Chicken. At least they got the eye colors right.

  • March 26, 2007, 11:22 p.m. CST

    Ugh, Megatron is just so ugly, especially

    by superninja

    since I know what his face looks like from the front. The eyes are also extremely off-putting. I am not seeing this film, but I would fix that if I were you, Bay.

  • March 26, 2007, 11:24 p.m. CST

    Hey, moto, are you SHOCKED that I actually said

    by superninja

    something positive? You guys are hilarious - these designs can't save this film from the putrid storyline.

  • March 26, 2007, 11:24 p.m. CST

    Summer 2007 = Bigges t Box Office Ever?

    by Dannychico

    Ok, we've got Pirates 3, Spiderman 3, Shrek 3, Harry Potter 5, Transformers, Die Hard 4, Ratatouille, Bourne 3. How could this not be the biggest box office summer of all time (gross dollars, not ticket sales)?

  • March 26, 2007, 11:25 p.m. CST

    Prime and Moto and not an exclusive

    by Bloo

    first of all, this isn't an exclusive, but I don't know if Harry said that, if he didn't my apologies, but I saw these both tonight when I was screwing around on MySpace you can get them both there--one cool ting on the myspace page is you can choose to be a decepticon's friend or an autobot's friend thought that was pretty clever....I thought then and thought now that the Prime Poster is sweet but the megatron one is...strange, indescribable really<P>moto, gott alove you man, you made this TF talkbacks fun and interesting and enlightening. Not as much fun as say showing a grande in Murphy's ass but still fun...and really that's who i blame for this movie, Don Murphy...Bay is doing what Bay does, I don't damn Micheal Bay, i damn Murphy!!!!!<p>sorry got on a rant there, but still moto, i respect your opinion and your tenacity and your eagerness and your opinons salute

  • March 26, 2007, 11:26 p.m. CST

    By the way, Prime has a mouth, that's just a face

    by superninja

    guard, like a samurai or Darth Vader. The word is Prime looks like a monkey without the guard.

  • March 26, 2007, 11:30 p.m. CST

    These Posters Are Beautiful

    by Ribbons

    You G1 freaks who have and are about to commence bitching about this film are nuts. Flames On Optimus = Raping My Childhood, etc.

  • March 26, 2007, 11:36 p.m. CST

    G1 Stand Proud

    by StupidAndUgly

    If Bay listened to you We'd be speaking about the important stuff....story. But instead we still haven't gotten over what should have been a no brainer... the designs. If they weren't intending to do a G1 based movie why have the classic Prime Truck at the comic con to announce the movie all those years ago?

  • March 26, 2007, 11:42 p.m. CST

    StupidAndUgly (not calling you that, 'cause that's

    by superninja

    your name), you're right. I mean, they've been misleading the audience all along. First, the G1 Prime to get everyone geared up, then the lies about the Mars trailer, then the lies about the designs, then the lies about the script...PATHETIC!! Worse than any whining we could ever do.

  • March 26, 2007, 11:42 p.m. CST

    Looks like the dual posters for Cats & Dogs

    by KnightShift

    "Decepticons rule!"

  • March 26, 2007, 11:46 p.m. CST

    messi, he does look like the robot from the

    by superninja

    Venture Brothers cartoon. It's like putting flames on Superman...ridic.

  • March 26, 2007, 11:47 p.m. CST

    OPTIMUS PRIME HAS FUCKING COSMPIC POWERS

    by Bronx Cheer

    HE WILL CRUSH YOUR GARDEN TOOLS. WHEELBARROWS QUAKE IN FEAR OF THE RIPTIDE THAT IS HIS OBSEQUIOUS WRATH. THE GUARD THAT MASK HIS MONKEY MOUTH PROTECTS ALL WHO CANNOT STAND THE SMELL OF ROTTEN BANANANANAS. FOR IT IS ODIOUS AND PUTRIDIFICATING.

  • March 26, 2007, 11:48 p.m. CST

    It's not Venture Bros., but the toon with

    by superninja

    the white trash guys that put flames on their robot. Which is essentially the same situation, no?

  • March 26, 2007, 11:48 p.m. CST

    Re: Looks like the dual posters for Cats & Dogs

    by SpencerTrilby

    LMAO that's so true. Maybe Tobey Maguire will voice Megatron, and Jeff Goldblum destroy Unicron... Take some notes, Bay!!!

  • March 26, 2007, 11:49 p.m. CST

    Bronx Cheer, I tried to give a shout out to

    by superninja

    KRISSH yesterday, but you missed it.

  • March 26, 2007, 11:51 p.m. CST

    The Hasbro logo at the bottom of the poster looks

    by Bronx Cheer

    completely out-of-place.

  • March 26, 2007, 11:52 p.m. CST

    If you block out Prime's eyes with your fingers

    by superninja

    he looks almost perfect. Those 'tards couldn't even get THAT right.

  • March 26, 2007, 11:53 p.m. CST

    Lame

    by Frank Duckett

    cmon guys, these are very, very lame.

  • March 26, 2007, 11:54 p.m. CST

    superninja, thou art super

    by Bronx Cheer

    Sorry I missed it. I miss DHAMAKA2007. I have dedicated my life to keeping his message of Spider-man hate and KRRISH and Silver Surfer love alive, even when it starts to get really old...sort of like now!

  • March 26, 2007, 11:56 p.m. CST

    Filmmakers can never leave things alone.

    by Bronx Cheer

    I bet they even get one of the Transformers to wink. And there will probably be a grinding/clattering sound that one of them makes that is supposed to make us laugh because, hey, a robot farted! Pull my sprocket!

  • March 26, 2007, 11:57 p.m. CST

    He posted awhile back. You know, I never thought

    by superninja

    his original posts were that funny. The funny part was how funny you thought they were. I have a weird sense of humor.

  • March 26, 2007, 11:58 p.m. CST

    They covered toilet humor by having a dog piss on one

    by superninja

    of the robots.

  • March 27, 2007, 12:08 a.m. CST

    It only could've been worse if they gave Megatron

    by superninja

    tribal tattoos.

  • March 27, 2007, 12:10 a.m. CST

    There's always room for robot fart jokes.

    by Bronx Cheer

    As for Dhamaka, I think what got me was how stupidly over-the-top he is. And anyone who brings Krrish into a superhero argument is all right in my book. But then, I have a weird sense of humor too.

  • March 27, 2007, 12:11 a.m. CST

    He has little itty-bitty tattoos

    by Bronx Cheer

    if you look at the details in the poster. I think they're probably henna.

  • March 27, 2007, 12:12 a.m. CST

    Nice!!!

    by wadi77

    Now can't wait for the final trailer.

  • March 27, 2007, 12:12 a.m. CST

    Crap.

    by Lucasblows

    Crap.

  • March 27, 2007, 12:13 a.m. CST

    Transformers One Sheets = Flames on Optimus

    by AshesOfDonnie

    let the cliches begin! and bless you, micheal bay!

  • March 27, 2007, 12:13 a.m. CST

    I hate your robot, and your robot's ass face!

    by superninja

    Literally.

  • March 27, 2007, 12:16 a.m. CST

    The real question is, will it be only slightly

    by superninja

    better or actually worse than Superman Returns?

  • March 27, 2007, 12:18 a.m. CST

    It'll be much better than Supers Retread.

    by Bronx Cheer

    Scary Movie 4 was better, so this will have to be better.

  • March 27, 2007, 12:20 a.m. CST

    RE: Rating

    by wadi77

    March 19, 2007 'Transformers' dodges R rating from MPAA For a franchise that started out as a line of toys and a Saturday morning cartoon series, "Transformers" looks like it's about to step into a whole new realm of coolness courtesy director Michael Bay. While the original series largely appealed to young boys in the 1980s, the DreamWorks' production would seem to be opening up to a new, older demographic (the prized teen to 30-something markets). This change in timbre is apparent though the film's first theatrical trailer, and through recent word on the film's MPAA rating from "Transformers" star Shia LaBeouf concerning the film's intensity. It turns out that Bay's first cut of the film, while certainly aimed at PG-13 audiences, was deemed too much for the rating by the wise minds that control the rating board. "We went to get our MPAA rating, and this movie is for the masses, and we got an R rating because of the tension," LaBeouf recently spilled to SciFi Wire. "Not because of the curse words or nudity, but for sheer intensity. It's aneurysm-inducing." Considering the intensity was created for summer movie audience seeking the thrills of giant battling robots invading the Earth (not normal R-rated fare, admittedly), "Transformers" producer Steven Spielberg allegedly met with the MPAA to make the case why the film should be granted the lower rating. "Spielberg fought back and got the PG-13," LaBeouf added. "It's just because of the intensity. There are not a lot of breathers. It's like whoosh!"

  • March 27, 2007, 12:22 a.m. CST

    Transformers: It's Like Whoosh!

    by Bronx Cheer

    Oh, hell, that says it all!

  • March 27, 2007, 12:22 a.m. CST

    I'm still laughing at that. It's Like Whoosh!

    by Bronx Cheer

    I gotta call it a night.

  • March 27, 2007, 12:26 a.m. CST

    Don't believe that for a second. That script read

    by superninja

    like a PG-13 script and I guarantee not a whit of that changed. It's for tweens and up. They are trying to make you think the film is more violent than it really is.

  • March 27, 2007, 12:26 a.m. CST

    Pg-13 Transformers was originally an R?

    by Neo Zeed

    Yeah! Now that's cool. Nice to see the Spielberg not backing down to the fuckin ratings board.

  • March 27, 2007, 12:29 a.m. CST

    Or maybe members of the ratings board literally

    by superninja

    had seizures from Bay's editing?

  • March 27, 2007, 12:31 a.m. CST

    "It's like whoosh!"

    by SpencerTrilby

    I think he was refering to Meagan Fox. Rated R for her Rack.

  • March 27, 2007, 12:31 a.m. CST

    The ratings board are all comatose.

    by Bronx Cheer

    The vote by the amount of drool they amass. The more drool, the higher the rating.

  • March 27, 2007, 12:39 a.m. CST

    Megatron one-sheet more like one-shit!!

    by AshesOfDonnie

    Fuck the transformers. I'd rather watch the robot chicken sketch.

  • March 27, 2007, 12:40 a.m. CST

    DOES OPTIMUS GET ROBOT PROSTATE CANCER????

    by AshesOfDonnie

    "we defeated megatron today with only 50 humans killed!"

  • March 27, 2007, 12:49 a.m. CST

    The Decepticon leader can't do any damage unless

    by Fish Tank

    some other Decepticon picks up his Leuger form and fires him? HUNH? What a STUPID idea. I say bring on the jet form - makes him infinitely more effective. At least a jet doesn't sit around waiting for someone to pull its trigger. Nice one-sheets by the way.

  • March 27, 2007, 12:49 a.m. CST

    I cant believe we're getting a

    by SylarTheCylon

    transformers live action movie!!!! So what if Megatron looks like a chicken? So what if they have so many pointy things sticking outta their faces you can't make out the important facial characteristics? So what if the movie centers on human beings and not on the transformers? So what? At least we're getting a movie about GIGANT SPACE ROBOTS KICKING ASS. Bay knows how to handle action, so i'm sure he won't mess this up. I Hope they make so much money, that they make 10 more of these transformers movies.

  • March 27, 2007, 12:50 a.m. CST

    It's a good thing no one is really upset Megatron

    by superninja

    isn't a gun, just at the horrible design and inexplicable change in personality and backstory. That's all.

  • March 27, 2007, 12:52 a.m. CST

    He'll need to so he can continue to pay

    by superninja

    you for your services. I hear the Island 2 is A-M-A-Z-I-N-G!

  • March 27, 2007, 12:53 a.m. CST

    The one thing they DO get right in this film....

    by IndustryKiller!

    Is Optimus Prime. Yes he looks good and he's even written pretty well. Other than that though you guys are in for a disappointment.

  • March 27, 2007, 12:55 a.m. CST

    What of him is actually in the movie.

    by superninja

    I guess if you don't mind him shuffled off to supporting character.

  • March 27, 2007, 1:09 a.m. CST

    Correct Superninja

    by IndustryKiller!

    What there is of him is good, but he takes a back seat to the god awful humans.

  • March 27, 2007, 1:18 a.m. CST

    definition of lame ass

    by slkboxrman

    is someone that posts more than 3 times in the same talkback with nothing new to say....superninja the movie will rock and make lots of money despite u babies that havent had ur diapers changed since the 80s

  • March 27, 2007, 1:21 a.m. CST

    And can we get a moratorium on Harry's color commentary

    by IndustryKiller!

    Even if it's Mori posting the story that's fine. Mori might have no love for the Transformers but at least his comments will come from some place of rationality. Harry is clearly has zero fucking taste when it comes to film. Even when I agree with his point of view he rings false to me. He's on Bay's side of the fence on just about everything, which makes me sick to my stomach. And I don't think it's because he's being payed off or because of some set visit. I think it's because he's a moron.

  • March 27, 2007, 2:12 a.m. CST

    Looks like prime, Doesn't look like Megatron at all.

    by The Founder

    I'm still there on opening weekend. I'm sure it'll be a blast.

  • March 27, 2007, 2:13 a.m. CST

    Robotastic Carnage... Bring it on!

    by bongo123

    How can you possibly not be excited to see this movie? strip out everything else and leave in the 5 or so minutes of Robot's fighting and id still pay money to see this fucker on the big screen. You G1 fans can sit at home in your basement and protest all you fucking want, as for me i cant fucking wait.

  • March 27, 2007, 2:15 a.m. CST

    Superninja

    by Neo Zeed

    I haven't read the script, but Bay always junks the script's action scenes and writes his own. He says it all the time. Plus from the megaserious looking trailer, I can see why those wussies at the MPAA could give this an R. The film style looks gritty, they bots look scary, they carry guns (Post columbine no-no), and they're fucking shit up more than the average PG-13 movie. Kids might go nuts over this shit like the 80's and they were probably scared they'd go smacking each other in the head....even if Bay and co. followed their rules.( No cussing/boobs) So Spielberg called them on their shit, and rightfully so.

  • March 27, 2007, 2:18 a.m. CST

    I hope Megan Fox Transforms...

    by ShogunMaster

    ...into a naked chick.

  • March 27, 2007, 2:18 a.m. CST

    I hope Megan Fox Transforms...

    by ShogunMaster

    ...into a naked chick.

  • March 27, 2007, 2:25 a.m. CST

    Is it just me or did a bunch of dickeads just register

    by Doc_Strange

    so they could plug this shit? Nice one guys but we can sniff out the Plants from a mile away. You can talk all the shit you want but you can't stop one undeniable fact: That this movie SUCKS a big donkey's balls and that you took a big ol' suck as well that you actually have the nerve to try and trick us into believing these are cool? Fuck you. Say goodbye to your movie careers. Assholes.

  • March 27, 2007, 2:42 a.m. CST

    The alien writing...

    by clone-o-mat

    That alien writing reads "military hardware" and "consumer goods". Geek on that!

  • March 27, 2007, 3:05 a.m. CST

    Damn you Michael Bay

    by Damnyou

    Damn you Michael Bay

  • March 27, 2007, 3:46 a.m. CST

    Doc_Strange, it's definitely happened before...

    by where_are_quints_hobbit_set_reports

    especially with mega-stinkers like GHOST RIDER... those TBs were always chock-a-block with never-before-seen names ("CoolDude21", "JonBlazeRulez" etc.) flooding their little e-panties about what fun the movie looked and how super everything about it was.

  • March 27, 2007, 3:49 a.m. CST

    Sell outs?

    by photoboy

    So why does AICN have these posters? Have they been shilling for Bay's shit-fest all along? Seems like it, I bet the money goes a long way towards helping them bite their tongues every time another disastrous Transformer design leaks out.

  • March 27, 2007, 3:52 a.m. CST

    WOW GUYZ!!! THANKS FOR TELLING ME ABOUT THE MYSPACE

    by where_are_quints_hobbit_set_reports

    AND THE SWEET AND AMAZING NEW TRANSFORMER ADVERTISEMENTS THEREIN!!! <p> LET ME HURRY UP AND TEXT MESSAGE ALL MY FRIENDS IN THE WEALTHY 15-TO-21-YR-OLD DEMOGRAPHIC SO THEY CAN ALSO SHARE THIS AWESOME AND UNDERGROUND OPPORTUNITY FOR COOLNESS!!! <p> OH YEAH AND P.S. I HOPE YOU FUCKING SHILLS DIE GAGGING ON PUSY TUMORS WHILE YOUR FAMILIES ARE KNIFE-RAPED IN FRONT OF YOU! <P>

  • March 27, 2007, 3:58 a.m. CST

    But Neo Zeed, Bay's action scenes....

    by IndustryKiller!

    as apparently written by Bay himself, are always incoherent, MTV style, over edited messes. FOr all the flack he takes he STILL doesn't take enough for being just plain old mediocre at directing action, supposedly his ace in the hole, even know he's been shit at it since sfter The Rock.

  • March 27, 2007, 3:59 a.m. CST

    Barbie live action movie

    by everstranger

    When I read your posts, I'm imagining my sister saying "What a barbie live action?!! And Ken has a 3 day beard? They're gonna rape what's left of my childhood!!! Damn you Nora Ephron!!!!!!" Transformers are fucking toys. Grow up. Next week: Andrew Blacke directs "Fleshlight: the movie"

  • March 27, 2007, 4:02 a.m. CST

    Because I live in the deep South

    by where_are_quints_hobbit_set_reports

    this is unlikely to happen, but if I ever met somebody and asked what he did for a living and he said "Oh, I'm a viral marketer! I'm an internet street teamer!" I would put him in the fucking hospital. These subhuman fucks rank below NAMBLA in my "deserve-to-live" book. <p> And in fact, because of their odious presence in this talkback, I am going to pirate Transformers and give away copies to all my friends. I'm going to throw a big "home theater" party on opening weekend and invite the whole neighborhood to watch it at my house. Suck on that, you piss-drinking street-team cunts. Suck on that, and die young.

  • March 27, 2007, 4:18 a.m. CST

    I gave your mom an enema earlier

    by where_are_quints_hobbit_set_reports

    it was like, Whoosh! <p> "TRANSFORMERS: RATED PG-13 for FANTASY VIOLENCE, MILD LANGUAGE, AND ROBOT ACTION THAT IS LIKE WHOOSH"

  • March 27, 2007, 4:20 a.m. CST

    Harry, are you working with Ricky Gervais?

    by Bono Luthor

    I heard him mention Ghost Town on Steve Wright BBC Radio 2 show yesterday. Just watched 2nd series of Extras. F'kink brilliant.

  • March 27, 2007, 4:38 a.m. CST

    Daddylonghead is on to something

    by IndustryKiller!

    We are all good little intergenerational internet savy fellas after all. I'll follow Daddylongheads lead in just downloading Transformers and holding "viewing parties" that I'll be sure to make anyone I know who has a shot at seeing this flick come to.

  • March 27, 2007, 4:40 a.m. CST

    And Superninja to answer your above question

    by IndustryKiller!

    Trick question. it will be neither better or worse than Superman Returns but on a wholly undiscovered plane of awful right alongside X3.

  • March 27, 2007, 5:02 a.m. CST

    Hmmmmmmmm

    by livrule

    Its not possible to be "worse" than SR.

  • March 27, 2007, 5:25 a.m. CST

    They don't look that bad, really

    by Lost Prophet

    pity about the script, actors, and everything else.<p>didn't shithead lepoof mean "FLUSH" when he said whoosh- cos that is where this is heading- right down the pan.<p>It may just be worse than SR. Unbelievable but true

  • March 27, 2007, 5:47 a.m. CST

    What's the fucking problem with you lot?

    by Lemming

    So Megatron doesn't look like that phallic uninspired bunch of arse from the cartoon. Personally, i think he looks BETTER on that one-sheet, but we won't know till we get a full body shot. How can you diss it from that? It's just a cool evil robot head!

  • March 27, 2007, 6:08 a.m. CST

    Oh C'mon

    by IndustryKiller!

    How is X3 not worse than SR? If you melted down DVD's of X3 I'm pretty sure it makes hydrochloric acid. Superman Returns was like watch paint dry but and Singer must have lost his god damned mind when he wrote in that kid but at least there was some competent directing in there. X3 was a rape of the comics from just about every characters perspective while also B-movie cheesy in it's directing and action. My favorite part is when Magneto pulls up that bridge its clearly late afternoon and by the time it gets to the Island its pitch black night. Thats like old school grindhouse bad.....Wow, I just realized I'm more or less arguing that eating shit is worse than drinking piss.

  • March 27, 2007, 6:13 a.m. CST

    X3 was better than SR because...

    by Lost Prophet

    It was shorter. I hate to be all ADD about this, but if it had had the same run-time (what was it? about three weeks?) as SR then it would have been one of the all-time abominations, rather than just very shit.

  • March 27, 2007, 6:14 a.m. CST

    Michael Bay: Protect cocaine. Destroy franchises.

    by Optimus Murphy

    This shit just isn't going to fly.

  • March 27, 2007, 6:16 a.m. CST

    Good point Lost Prophet

    by IndustryKiller!

    Case closed

  • March 27, 2007, 6:24 a.m. CST

    Sniff that dog fart deep Harry.

    by Horseflesh

    This one's gonna smell like roses to you. "I've put too much thought into this." I somehow doubt that.

  • March 27, 2007, 6:44 a.m. CST

    I can't wait for some classic Prime/Megatron dialogue..

    by Negative Man

    <p>Prime: "Give it up, Megatron! You've come to plunder this world of it's resources...to destroy it's people...but you are beaten! And it was these 'weak insects' that defeated you!"</p><p>Megatron: "Bawk...bawk...baBAwk...cluck...BAWK!"

  • March 27, 2007, 6:45 a.m. CST

    This could be Bay's best...

    by Mace Tofu

    Giant Robot Movie Ever! As long as they kill the "My little pony doll" I'll be happy.

  • March 27, 2007, 6:54 a.m. CST

    SPIDER-MAN POSTER RIPOFF!

    by McGsStepson

    Anyone else agree with this? Each poster has huge close-ups with NYC in the background.

  • March 27, 2007, 7:02 a.m. CST

    Remember kids, red eyes are evil and blue eyes are good

    by stlfilmwire

    Thank heavens Hollywood geniuses have come up with red lightsabers, blue lightsabers and crap like that. Otherwise it would be really difficult to figure out who the good guy is.

  • March 27, 2007, 7:08 a.m. CST

    Giant Fucking Robots

    by ATARI

    I don't know, that idea just doesn't turn me on.<br> <br>But Giant Robots Blowing Shit Up!<br>Now bring that on!<br>

  • March 27, 2007, 7:10 a.m. CST

    but still better than last year

    by Lost Prophet

    which was the worst summer ever.

  • March 27, 2007, 7:12 a.m. CST

    Where's Don Murphy?

    by where_are_quints_hobbit_set_reports

    That's what's missing from this talkback. <p> Oh and my biggest problem with Superman Returns was the part where Superman is flying along and then he suddenly flies down into a crowded gay bathhouse and gets multiply super-sodomized in that lengthy rapid-cut montage sequence set to C+C Music Factory. I just felt that section of the film didn't really advance the plot, and definitely should been edited down. 12 minutes is a long time in a superhero movie.

  • March 27, 2007, 7:22 a.m. CST

    Transformers are fucking toys

    by Mr_X

    <p> and if you want i'll rape your childhood. why? because you're a fucking grown up now. from a farking cartoon all i can remember is optimus prime. thats it. if i see giant robots slugging it out, im more then happy. do i care that megatron isnt a farking gun? no. do i care thats its voiced by agent smith? no. i don't fucking care. it's a fracking cartoon, am i upset that my fav cartoons like dungeons and dragons and The Centurions aren't a movie as yet? no. grow the fuck up you comic book guy bitches. seriously. go out, get laid, drink, party, travel whatever. go do something else. you spend far too much time then is healthy on a website bitching. if you dont like it, dont go see it. simple as. i betcha will though. </p>

  • March 27, 2007, 7:48 a.m. CST

    and again for those in the cheap seats

    by Lost Prophet

    It is irrelevant that this is based on Fucking Toys. It is also a shining example of mediocrity being over-hyped. <p>And I won't be seeing it in the cinema. I may download it, or buy it off a pikey (maybe CEScumbag knows someone), but I will not shell out £10 to support it.

  • March 27, 2007, 7:49 a.m. CST

    Shouldn't there also be a one sheet of Bumblebee...

    by KillDozer

    that reads "Help Spike Get A Date"? Can't wait to see that premise play out on the big screen, especially if it was almost rated R for intensity. Will she say 'yes' to grabbing a burger after school? Will they ever go to prom together? I'm sweating already...

  • March 27, 2007, 7:54 a.m. CST

    Mr_X

    by photoboy

    I haven't seen the cartoon for years yet I can still remember all the characters, their names and what they looked like. If you're so forgetful that you can't remember what they looked like then obviously you're going to be happy with Bay's freshly squeezed turd. Anyone who had genuine affection for it from their childhood (which you clearly don't) is right to be pissed at the complete shit-fest that Bay has created.

  • March 27, 2007, 7:54 a.m. CST

    TOTAL FUCKING AWESOME!!!

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    o.O

  • March 27, 2007, 8:09 a.m. CST

    photoboy gotta eat

    by Mr_X

    to turd or not to turd that is the question. As i have fucking grown up, i realise that my childhood memories belong in my fucking childhood. if you dont wnat to see it. fine. if you wnat to download it, fine. this is going to be one of the hits of the summer. yet geek bitch fanboys cry over insignificant details. yes, they are fucking insignificant. its a big movie adpatation of a cartoon fucking series of some fucking toys. It's going to be different. take that tampon out of your mangina and put it back into your handbag. if you can only get a nerdgasam over the original material, shell out for the orginal comic books and buy the orginal series on dvd, the rest of us who can distinguish real life from fantasy will take it from here.

  • March 27, 2007, 8:15 a.m. CST

    Wow, Mr_X, you're super tough!

    by where_are_quints_hobbit_set_reports

    I bet you have the most pubic hair of anyone, that's how tough you are! You're right, everyone should be tough like you and toughly enjoy the flawless filmic miracles Hollywood generously allows us to purchase with our tough money! Anyone who finds fault with anything is WHINING and that's not tough! The status quo rules!

  • March 27, 2007, 8:19 a.m. CST

    damm you BringingSexyBack

    by Mr_X

    tis true, and i can accept that.i can accept that spidey doesnt get his blacksuit from the beyonder in secret wars, and i can accept that the shire is not destroyed in the return of the king. thats exactly my point, because ITS AN ADAPTATION. if you dont like it, you still have that orginal material to look at. but those of us who don't mind certain liberties being taken to have an ADAPTATION on the big screen. I just cant stand those who biatch and moan about something they havent seen as yet, merely clips or posters gets them upset for the "rape of their childhood!"

  • March 27, 2007, 8:20 a.m. CST

    Mr_X

    by Lost Prophet

    I am going to try to spell this out. There has been very little bitching over insignificant changes. The vast majority of the complaints have been about the lack of quality of the whole package, and the fact that the film bears little or no resemblance to Transformers. I would agree with you that the majority of nitpicking is pathetic (organic webshooters leaps to mind), but what people are complaining about is the fact that this is the Transformers equivalent of 1998 Godzilla. That is not insignificant. <p>Fine, go and enjoy your Bay movie, and feel free to paint all those complaining as basement dwelling, comic collecting cocksuckers that would have a massive aneurism if they ever got to see a pussy (in the flesh- rather than on porn, or in some sordid Hentai). It's your opinion, but for those of us that hate overinflated mediocrity, and see this as the thin end of a shitty stick, please allow any scorn.

  • March 27, 2007, 8:22 a.m. CST

    Daddylonghead... my pubic hairs are...

    by Mr_X

    made of adamantium, so yes they are super tough, allthough i do become a bloody mess when they retract into my groin. remember to man up

  • March 27, 2007, 8:25 a.m. CST

    forgot to say-

    by Lost Prophet

    A lot of the moaning is based on a script that we have read- this may explain much of the ire as it was fucking atrocious

  • March 27, 2007, 8:29 a.m. CST

    BSB

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    No love for Bourne?

  • March 27, 2007, 8:31 a.m. CST

    Weird...

    by Childe Roland

    ...that, although I've been a fan of the Optimus design (flames and all) since it was first unveiled, this poster of him instantly drew my eye to things I didn't like (such as all the extra crags and negative space detail under his visor and around his eyes).<p>Weirder still, I've been baffled by their design for Megatron from day one, but in this image his profile bears a striking resemblance to the Megatron head/helmet that I've never noticed before.<p>Maybe I'm just seeing things.<p>Either way, I'm all set for my opening day alcoholic matinee. If it truly is as bad as some of those early script reviewers believe it will be, my brother's already agreed to stand up in the middle of the theater and sing "You've got the touch!" So there will be that to look forward to, at least.<p>And if it doesn't suck? Well, so much the better.

  • March 27, 2007, 8:37 a.m. CST

    Childe, you must report the reactions to

    by just pillow talk

    your brother singing in the middle of the theater. Will there be laughter, applause, popcorn thrown? Oh, and remember to "Man up".

  • March 27, 2007, 8:37 a.m. CST

    lost prophet

    by Mr_X

    i stated to read the wiki page of optimus prime and i just gave up half way, too much history, i can't be bothered with all of in a 2 hour movie. i differ to your judgement in regards to teh script, because i havent read it and actually i probably wouldn't want to. i want to see this on the big screen and take my nephews to watch robots fight on screen. it doenst have to be the holy grail of geek transformer mythology for me, and to be honest the studio is pitching it out to those that dont pitch fits about the fact that megatron isnt a gun but can sit down and watch a good popcorn movie, those that are in the majority. c'mon folks, do you even remember what that was like? enjoying a movie for the skae of it just being a movie? anywyas... i'm not going to hype this up too much as i alwyas end up being disapointed. its gonna be a good year for comic book / cartoon fans, and if you dont make it to the cienma.. enjoy your dvds.

  • March 27, 2007, 8:42 a.m. CST

    you wnat optimus prime to look like he does orginally?

    by Mr_X

    http://tinyurl.com/2bmlsg - yeah you're right, the movies not a patch on the orignal material

  • March 27, 2007, 8:43 a.m. CST

    Children of FUCKING Men indeed

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    In-FUCKING-deed. Clive Owen and Julianne Moore. Incredible.

  • March 27, 2007, 8:45 a.m. CST

    Mr-X

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Don Figuroa is the Optimus Prime master of vision. Many, many versions have been shate from his pencil. All of them ridiculously fucking AWESOME. Hasbro phailed.

  • March 27, 2007, 8:46 a.m. CST

    couldn't give a fuck

    by Lost Prophet

    As someone said in a TB ages ago- I don't care if they paint him pink and cover him with electric green graffiti that spells out "I AM INTO COCK". But if they are going to do that then change the title to BAY's BIG ROBOTS BLOW SHIT UP. <p>Instead, we get TINO. <p>dude, read the script- ask messi or someone for it, it is absolutely dreadful. A lot of the problems with it are that the focus of the film isn't on the robots- it is on shia lebeouf (An actor I despise) and his quest for a girlfriend. <p>finally, there isn't actually that much action. So your nephews may experience their first cinematic disappointment

  • March 27, 2007, 8:47 a.m. CST

    BAD ASS!

    by godzillasushi

    Holy crap I totally love those!

  • March 27, 2007, 8:55 a.m. CST

    The Return of Moondoggy2u (que "You Got The Touch")

    by moondoggy2u

    I thought I would drop by since I've noticed a lot of unfamiliar names that, seemingly by magic, have appeared on a TF thread. Weird how that always happens as we approach a film's release, no? <p> Child Rolande--that has to be the best idea and I can assure you that I will either (a) do the same thing, or (b)get one of my friends to sing. I'm pretty sure it will be me, however. <p> I'm not quite sure who said Megatron looked like a chicken in that poster, but they were spot on. Hell, both MINO and Optimus look like they're sporting those helmets that Sam and Frodo wore in ROTK!! You all know the scene: naked frodo is rescued by sam, "You can't go to mordor dressed in naught but your skin," and then ENTER THE BIRD PEOPLE. <p> By the way, hi, Rolande, BSB, and Superninja, my favorite webchick. How are you three doing? Is Yack here yet?

  • March 27, 2007, 9:02 a.m. CST

    Now if Bourne jumped in a MECHSUIT and tossed some cars

    by Mace Tofu

    them maybe I could get worked up for #3... In another talkback people were talking about "Classic" end credits music moments and just think how cool if Bay's TRANSFORMERS ended with "THE TOUCH" over the credits. The spoo would be flying so leave early or bring an umbrella. Cheesy yes? Save it for the make-out scene Childe!

  • March 27, 2007, 9:32 a.m. CST

    Hi TFD.

    by moondoggy2u

    What is this? A get together at the old folk's home for TF posters?

  • March 27, 2007, 9:36 a.m. CST

    I was raped long ago

    by tromeo kid

    when i watched Masters of the Universe for the first time as a child. Im just glad they didnt try to make this movie back then... im ready to put my money down on this no matter what anyone says. it's maybe two hours of my life, I think i can handle that.

  • March 27, 2007, 9:36 a.m. CST

    nope, moondoggy

    by Lost Prophet

    It's rearranging deck chairs on the titanic. Or the lawn. Wheres Yackbacker with the punch 'n pie?

  • March 27, 2007, 9:43 a.m. CST

    I brought the beers.

    by moondoggy2u

    What did you bring?

  • March 27, 2007, 9:48 a.m. CST

    the sedatives, and a doctor

    by Lost Prophet

    to try to resucitate anyone that did actually have an "episode" during this. <p>I tried to get my hands on a pirated copy to bring but Yack kept going on about needing to see it arseholed in the cinema.

  • March 27, 2007, 9:51 a.m. CST

    I brought a plucky attitude and some acerbic wit...

    by Childe Roland

    ...moondoggy. Good to read you.<p>No Yack, yet. Hope he didn't succumb to that nasty cold (or the Ny Quil he was taking for it) last TF talkback.<p>Good call on the Mordor helmets. Hadn't seen that before, but now that you mention it, it's there.<p>I was serious about Megatron's profile in this poster looking oddly similar to the classic helmet look he had in his original gun mode (which would make no sense on a jet). Do you think they further manipulated the image for that effect? His nose is just crazy, though.<p>BSB, you should check out the second Bourne. I found it superior to the first (which I was pretty lukewarm on). Seems like Damon has grown into the role a bit.<p>I will issue a full report on crowd reaction to the Dirk Diggler sing along, Pillow Talk. At the hour we plan to see the film, I'm concerned that it may just be us and theater staff, but maybe there will be a few kids in the house (and some MILFs for my brother...he's had a bad run of luck with the ladies, recently). Nothing impresses a single mom like drunken emulation of a fictional porn star singing out loud during a movie based on a kid's toy line.

  • March 27, 2007, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Childe

    by moondoggy2u

    I'm not sure if MINO's helmet looks like Megatron of Yore--I think you are just seeing Megatron with the obvious eyesore of his predator mouth being covered by a faceplate. You may be right, though, because I dont recall seeing his helmet look the way it does now, so it could be a last minute change. Judging by the initial reactions MINO recived on the net, I'd say that would be a smart move on their part. <p>On a side note, for those of you who feel that a jet was a better choice for MINO then gun, I have one question: would a jet have been better than a tank? That would have preserved Meg's M.O. while still making it serious and believable for film.

  • March 27, 2007, 10:12 a.m. CST

    oops. THAN a gun, not "THEN."

    by moondoggy2u

    I cry pardon.

  • March 27, 2007, 10:12 a.m. CST

    M. Bay Quote: (source, Comingsoon.net)

    by future help

    Almost a 100 days left. I guess I should start posting every week? I've been working my ass off - the cut is really coming along -the shots ---awesome. Some of the most difficult renders in ILM history. Sometimes up to 38 hours per frame. The Show West thing was fun to see the scenes play in a 1000 person house. But they just saw 25 minutes so it is hard to feel engaged because they are not seeing the full run of a movie. Harry called me to tell me how he loved it. I see all the d**kwad talk back people who claim they have read a finished script. Impossible - I kept the only draft for the last two months before shooting. That's where did major retooling to the script - yes the scene beats are similar but a very different script. We are still writing the robot voices. They talk about just 20 minutes of action at the end - yeah right. This is by far the most action I have ever put into a movie - I have 12 huge set pieces. Boy I get tired of these lame cry babies on the net.

  • March 27, 2007, 10:12 a.m. CST

    damnnnn you damn you'ers!

    by Basehead

    what the hell is this blasting this movie about? please someone explain it to me. is it because you love the transformers so much and dont want to see them re-invented? or is it just because you dont like mr Bay? for both examples do what everyone did whit his last movie: dont go see it!

  • March 27, 2007, 10:18 a.m. CST

    if you look closely in Megatron's eye

    by isildur29

    you can see Megan Fox's tits which is why I will be there everyday opening weekend

  • March 27, 2007, 10:24 a.m. CST

    Basehead

    by Lost Prophet

    as you are late I will keep this simple. There are several reasons why this is being blasted: <p>The Script. Dreadful- especially considering the trite human relationship shite in it <p>Bay's insistance that this is a story of one boy and his car. <p>The Designs- not only looking fairly shitty, but also not resembling Transformers. Hence TINO<p>Bay's track record- no way around it really. <p>Shia Lebeouf's utter inability to act. <p>The attitude of Bay and Murphy. <p>The "comedy"- dog pees on Transformer! how funny is that!<p>i've probably missed a few, but this should be enough to start with

  • March 27, 2007, 10:24 a.m. CST

    whew! all is well in the world now

    by just pillow talk

    You stay strong Mikey Bay! Stupid net! <p>Looks like your brother will not be getting any MILF action now Childe, since the movie will ROCK!

  • March 27, 2007, 10:31 a.m. CST

    messi you illiterate ball-sac

    by Lemming

    CLEARLY things have changed this then given that in those full body shots Megatrons face looks NOTHING like the above. Put your fucking e-penis away.

  • March 27, 2007, 10:33 a.m. CST

    whats funny about that Bay quote

    by moondoggy2u

    is that it sets up a straw man. Us "damn dickwad TB'ers" have NOT been complaining about a lack of action in the climax, but rather a complete lack of CHARACTERIZATION and poor plotting that is replete with cliches, too many coincidences, and relegates the Transformers to the BACKGROUND. Bay has never denied those allegations, telling us,"Don't worry, I've AMPED UP THE ACTION!" Again, that quote says it all, really, about why Bay was the wrong director from day one.

  • March 27, 2007, 10:41 a.m. CST

    I would've been all for a tank, moondoggy.

    by Childe Roland

    In fact, I've always rather preferred that alt. mode for Megs. If only they could've acheived that (in actual transformable toy form, since in a movie, that could do whatever they want) while making his robot mode look as cool as the G1 version did, I'd have been a much happier camper as a kid.

  • March 27, 2007, 10:42 a.m. CST

    MICHAEL BAY FUCKING LOST.

    by JusticeSabre

    Maybe I'll see a proper TF flick made when I'm 50 and taking the grandkids out for a day. Until then, 28 YO me is pissing all over this crap.

  • March 27, 2007, 10:55 a.m. CST

    Ok seriously Ganymede....

    by Ricky Henderson

    I've been watching you post on Transformers TBs for a long time now and have concluded that you're a worthless human being. We get it already: you're a freaking shill. A shill with no sense of shame. I haven't posted on AICN in several months, but what happens when I come back? Here you are on a Transformers talkback, doing the plant dance, and telling us all how you think this movie is going to rule. God you're awful.

  • March 27, 2007, 10:57 a.m. CST

    "ROBOTS IN DISGUISE," MUST BE A B PLOT

    by Pound Sand

    Get some visine, stat!

  • March 27, 2007, 11:02 a.m. CST

    hey Ricky

    by just pillow talk

    How you feeling about Pelphrey as #5?

  • March 27, 2007, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Nice try, Bay. But it's too late to fool me now

    by finky089

    We know there's still flames on that Optimus. And we know MINO still has a vagina mouth under there. And we know Shia LaBurp is still in this film.

  • March 27, 2007, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Why not a close up of Megan Fox's cleavage like this?

    by finky089

    At least that would have been a one-sheet to get excited for...

  • March 27, 2007, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Nice One-Sheets.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    I think Prime looks money. In fact, I don't mind the choice in eye design as much as I previously thought. I guess I can see the "iris concept" they're going for. The shading and texture is a nice touch.<P>I'm still not thrilled with the Megatron design. And we're really not getting a good idea of what this new/finalized version looks like with this particular profile shot. Like Childe, I can see more of a resemblance to the ol' G1 Megs. It's too early to tell without seeing the whole "battlemode crest" thing he's gonna be sporting.<P>Protect & Destroy. Perfect.

  • March 27, 2007, 11:25 a.m. CST

    Now that's a big sheet.

    by JackPumpkinhead

    Will Michael Bay's sheets stink?

  • March 27, 2007, 11:29 a.m. CST

    What this film is not: GIANT SPACE ROBOTS KICKING ASS.

    by finky089

    Everyone who keeps coming back to this point as to why "people should be happy just to get this and shut up" doesn't know what the fuck they're talking about. <p> It'd be great if they were right, but the fact is - based on everything we know up to now - this movie has much more human interaction and dialogue than it does GIANT ROBOTS KICKING ASS. And that human interaction ain't well written either. <p> Great that Bay says they're still working on the robot dialogue. Besides the fact that the robots had comparatively little to do in the leaked script, a MAJOR problem was the human dialogue. Shitty. <p> So all you people who keep thinking you're going to shuck out $12 bucks for alot of ROBOT on ROBOT action, prepare to be fucked over just as badly as those of us who hoped to have a decently made TF flick. <p> TINO!

  • March 27, 2007, 11:34 a.m. CST

    BSB, you saucy wanker

    by finky089

    nice link. Does that tattoo of hers say "Prime"? <p> come to think of it, I MIGHT have considered seeing this movie if Megan Fox was the main human character instead of Shia. "Spike? Spike who?" <p> It would have at least made it easier to watch.

  • March 27, 2007, 11:58 a.m. CST

    I'll wait for Transformers II: The Search for Jazz

    by Hyperion Consul

    Maybe Shittleberg will give it to another director. Damn you Michael Bay.

  • March 27, 2007, 12:02 p.m. CST

    that tatoo is only there

    by Lost Prophet

    because you sedated her and did it when she was unconscious. She actually requested one that says MCM says: DAMN YOU MICHAEL BAY

  • March 27, 2007, 12:06 p.m. CST

    looks sweet to me

    by lofe101

    i rewatched the TF movie not to long ago, and realized that it was pretty lame. so there for i dont really give a shit what the fuck these TF's look like. when i see this im just going to put in my retard brain where flashing lights and big explosions are as great as warm pussy and kind buds are to the normal brain.

  • March 27, 2007, 12:12 p.m. CST

    your retard brain is already in

    by chiahead

    for fuck's sake, "not to long ago" is actually "not too long ago". And "there for" is actually "therefore" I'm all for abbreviating text on the internet but can we have a civilization here? Don't substitute words with words that already mean something else. Context please. <br><br> oh and also, Megs totally looks like a chicken.

  • March 27, 2007, 12:24 p.m. CST

    I'm with you, messi

    by moondoggy2u

    Don't you just love the new poster shills that set up such wonderful straw men as,"You dumbasses keep complaining so much! For the last goddamn time, Megs CAN't be a gun!" or "ITs just mindless action, stop bitching about our robots doing nothing!" Again, all we're complaining about is poor scripting, characters designed for those influcted with ADD, and a complete lack of characterization. Oh yeah, and too much concentration on Shithead LaPoof. <p>Has anyone else noticed that Lapoof bears a striking resemblance to Clay Aiken?? I wonder where is WWJD braclet is at?

  • March 27, 2007, 12:25 p.m. CST

    influcted? what the hell is that? Afflicted.

    by moondoggy2u

    Correction brought to you by GRAMMAR POLICE. Withought grammar police, we'd still be flinging poop at each other. TM

  • March 27, 2007, 12:27 p.m. CST

    chiahead

    by lofe101

    thanks for correcting me ya fucking douchebag. grammer is definitely the first thing on my mind when typing a quick post. now go cry about michael bay rapping your child hood or what ever you have to bitch about this movie.

  • March 27, 2007, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Neo Zeed, in this case, the set pieces we have

    by superninja

    seen so far match the draft script exactly, so your example in this case just does not seem accurate.

  • March 27, 2007, 12:39 p.m. CST

    BSB, good point about stories and imagination.

    by superninja

    You lose that as you get older - where's the fun? Transformers is for all ages, it's a classic good vs. evil story.

  • March 27, 2007, 12:40 p.m. CST

    DAMN YOU ENOLA GAY!!!

    by Johnno

    For dropping that HUGE BOMB!

  • March 27, 2007, 12:42 p.m. CST

    moondogy, yeah, I notice no one really

    by superninja

    seems to have a real response to that except that to say it's based on a cartoon as if that's some kind of trump card. As if cartoons are anything more than a medium to tell stories in just like comic books. The characters and the quality of the stories are what matters in ANY MEDIUM.

  • March 27, 2007, 12:42 p.m. CST

    messi you self important AIDS child

    by Lemming

    "do your research" *please*, motherfucker. Don't try inflict your delusional importance onto me. You do not 'research', you are browsing the web during the twilight hours of you meaningless fucking existence. But since you are so confident: http://cuckoo.jesseglen.com/wp-content/uploads/2006/08/megatronhead2.jpg That is the last artwork we saw of Megatron (thats a zoomed in head shot from the full-body pic you are reffering to) and you can tell even from the eyes, he's gone through changes. That means that the last body you saw isn't even certain. Especially as it's only concept art. Now STFU.

  • March 27, 2007, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Childe, you are right about the eyes and the

    by superninja

    bad negative space. They should fix the eyes immediately, they are not appealing and this is not a major fix. There needs to be something to connect to, just give them the eyes that glow when they have emotion.

  • March 27, 2007, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Kurzinski, I am with you. If it ain't broke, why fix

    by superninja

    it? The original designs were extremely iconic. Again, trying to reverse engineer TFs only makes them seem like they are engineered by human beings and not aliens. Their logic is stupdenous, isn't it?

  • March 27, 2007, 1:04 p.m. CST

    The transformers TB is getting like the supergirl

    by emeraldboy

    Boards on IMDB. Vicous, nasty petty, punctuated some common sense comments(its a toy or its only a film...), Mud slinging, name calling and bashing lots and lots and lots of bashing. Bay bashing. And there is an interesting parallel to the supergirl board, the need of or not of a remake. Even to the point of laying into the script.

  • March 27, 2007, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Actually, it's like every talkback on AICN

    by superninja

    or around the internet related to developing an existing property for film.

  • March 27, 2007, 1:20 p.m. CST

    Where is MCMLXXVl?

    by BGDAWES

    Does anyone know what Bay does with these posters at home? He rolls them up and uses them to snort lines of crushed up fanboy dreams off a hooker's ass, that's what he does.

  • March 27, 2007, 1:22 p.m. CST

    damm you talkbackers

    by Mr_X

    brothers, brothers, lets not fight amongst ourselves. let's wait to actually see the movie, if it is really shite, i'll man up and tell you you were right. as for negative space and glowing eyes and whatnot, until there's a huge mechical cock attached to his forehead, i don't give a shit.

  • March 27, 2007, 1:28 p.m. CST

    From Bay's news blog on the writer's approach:

    by superninja

    "In contrast, his nemesis Megatron — a fascist politician on his home world whose motto was "Peace through tyranny" — has a jagged, colorless metal face with a covering that suggests the exposed jaw of a skull or insectlike pincers." <p> So basically, Megs is Skeletor and Prime is He-Man, and they're going after the Cosmic Key. This is too funny. </p> <p> And who actually makes their motto "Peace through tyranny?" The interesting thing is that Megatron would never say he's a tyrant. No one ever thinks they're a tyrant. This is the infantile level the material is being approached at. Again, the cartoon was more sophisticated! </p>

  • March 27, 2007, 1:29 p.m. CST

    They are remaking Masters of the Universe with

    by superninja

    giant robots. Seriously, that's what they've done here.

  • March 27, 2007, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Damn

    by kilik777

    I cant wait till this movie comes out and all this talkback space wasted goes away. Im tired of even reading about the new headlines every week. http://tinyurl.com/pv8do

  • March 27, 2007, 1:44 p.m. CST

    "Protect", "Destroy"...and "Pee"

    by Doctor_Sin

    Where's a poster for the dog peeing on a TF?

  • March 27, 2007, 1:45 p.m. CST

    "Unite through Urination!" that can be the dog's

    by superninja

    tag line, Doc.

  • March 27, 2007, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Bless yuo Micheal Bay

    by Mr_X

    "I have 12 huge set pieces. Boy I get tired of these lame cry babies on the net." THere are two types of people for this movie, those who wnat to see it, those who don't, those who are willing to let some irrelvant things slide and those who aren't. Its simple really, it's autobots vs the decipticons, we autobots wish to protect and watch the film, you eveil decpticons wish to destroy the film.. ergo i am an autobot! that's right, i said it.

  • March 27, 2007, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Nighthawk looks great!

    by rev_skarekroe

    Wait - you mean that ISN'T a poster for the Supreme Power movie?

  • March 27, 2007, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Amen brother

    by Mr_X

    Freedom is the right of all sentient beings

  • March 27, 2007, 2:01 p.m. CST

    What's wrong with TINO?

    by Vadakin

    1. Shia...plays the same character in every movie. <p> 2. Bumblebee...doesn't talk but communicates by playing sounds on the radio. <p> 3. The "human" plot. Which is essentially typical teen-chick-flick material...unpopular kid falls for the popular girl from school, who it turns out isn't so self-centred and has her own problems yaddy yaddy yadda blah blah blah <p> 4. Megatron...the main villain, who's hardly in the film apart from the last 20 minutes. <p> 5. Human weapons can impact Decepticons? Eh...no. THe whole idea of Transformers is that they're advanced alien machines, way beyond our level of technology...this is like the "lets give the aliens a virus" from ID4. <p> 6. Cheesy jokes that belong in a Disney Channel movie (like dog takes a piss on a TF) <p> 7. The "Transformers plot" which is all about finding a pair of glasses (a rip off from National Treasure???) that will help the Autobots to find the Energon cube which gives machines life. <p> 8. Dancing XBox...enough said <p> 9. Transformers are the supporting cast, when they should be the stars. They have little dialogue (Bumblebee has none and Megatron has a couple of lines) and are reduced to props for joke set ups for a lot of the film. <p> 10. A Michael Bay Film...enough said. <p> What's Right With TINO? <p> 1. Megan Fox...for eye candy purposes only. <p> 2. The final shot...Optimus Prime standing on top of Mount Everest...the movie might end up sucking but that single shot could be cool.

  • March 27, 2007, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Autobots stand for individuality, freedom, creativity

    by superninja

    Decepticons are for supporting the existing low standards with an iron fist. Therefore, you are a Con. ;)

  • March 27, 2007, 2:15 p.m. CST

    And now, a message from Megatron...

    by Negative Man

    <p>Bawk...babawk...bawkityBAwk...bawk. Cluck!!! (Translation: People of Earth, you may have noticed I have a profile of a chicken. Please, I know some think this tame little bird is harmless, and it seems...well, wrong for one as mighty as the suprEME LORD MEGATRON...sorry, I sometimes yell my title and name. Causes fear and respect in my troops, you see. Anywho, oneasmightyasthesupremelordmegatron...ah, yes. *URHRM* Why do I have a profile like a chicken? Because the chicken is both deceiving and dangerous! Sure, it looks stupid and is as noisy as Bumblebee greasing himself while watching NASCAR, but that is where the deception lies... This fierce beast may...er...claw and rake at you with its mighty claws! Or maybe break your skin with his razor-sharp beak! The body can even run around without its head like the Decepticon Headmasters! But the worst thing? A chicken can kill you even after it's dead! If you're not careful, an undercooked chicken can give you Campylobacter! Or maybe a Salmonella infection whose symptoms may include diarrhea, abdominal cramps, fever, nausea, and/or vomiting. Just think about that for a moment, huh? So fear the mighty chicken, but fear Megachicken...er...Tron...Megatron even more!!!)</p><p>COCK-A-DOODLE-DOOM!</p>

  • March 27, 2007, 2:18 p.m. CST

    messi - we know her character certainly is still

    by superninja

    in the movie, and I like how she's an incredible one of kind genius but yet that is never actually demonstrated by her character. Kind of like "nuclear physicist" Dr. Christmas Jones played by Denise Richards.

  • March 27, 2007, 2:23 p.m. CST

    Wasn't I the one

    by Fecal Debris

    ...singing the joys of "giant fucking robots" back in December (under my previous name, Abom)? It was either that or "giant robots fighting," and screw the humans

  • March 27, 2007, 2:27 p.m. CST

    i worry only about what the will look like when talking

    by wcoop893

    i hope there will be no mouths moving or anything, we dont want them looking like humans. i fear only that they will look dumb and cheesey when speaking. other than that, great and im good to go.

  • March 27, 2007, 2:30 p.m. CST

    PROTECT. DESTROY. PEE...

    by PwnedByStallone

    SNORT. BUY. SELL. SHOOT. BOMB. EXPLODE. KILL. DRIVE. FLY. PENETRATE. FUCK.

  • March 27, 2007, 2:32 p.m. CST

    "Yeah yeah stupid TB'er,bet you couldn't do better"

    by Vadakin

    Somebody is bound to say that to me, so I might as well say it myself. Could I do any better? I dunno...I did come up with my own outline for a TF film a few years ago. I never really saw the cartoon when I was a kid, so my knowledge of the subject isn't stellar. <p> "So why are you here badmouthing a film when you don't even know the source material?" <p> Because, it could be Transformers, Bionicle or Godzilla...but whatever the source material and however true the film stays to it, at the very least, I expect a good movie, regardless of whether Spidey has organic webbing or Supes has a kid or not (I enjoyed SR by the way though I'll admit it had quite a few flaws...I also loved the SW prequels and could easily compare flaws to flaws in the originals but that's for another thread.) <p> "Ok then smartass...what would your TF movie be?" <p> Pretty basic stuff...my very vague TF outline from 2 years ago: <p> Cybertron. A world ruled by machines. Their creators, if they even existed, were unknown, disappearing into the depths of space eons ago. Their evolution was impossible...yet it happened anyway. The machines thrived, creating an advanced society...but within every civilisation there are those who wish to destroy freedom and seize control for themselves. <p> Cybertron is at war. The Decepticons, led by the villainous Megatron have waged a terrible campaign to seize control of the planet. But even in the darkest times, there is hope. A group of warriors, known as the Autobots have sworn to protect the planet with their very lives. Lead by the heroic, Optimus Prime, they struck back at Megatron, foiling his plans for world domination. <p> But the war has taken it's toll on Cybertron. Energon reserves, the lifeblood of the planet, that powers everything on the mechanical world, have been depleted. Without energon, the planet Cybertron would fall apart. However, there was one world in the galaxy that had an abundance of Energon, as yet undiscovered by that worlds inhabitants. <p> Megatron and his Decepticons departed Cybertron, bound for this world followed by the Autobots. Whoever discovered and gained control of the Energon first would decide the fate of Cybertron. <p> If the Autobots can find and process the Energon first, they can save Cybertron, but if the Decepticons do it first, they will have the means to plunge Cybertron into chaos and hold the entire planet to ransom. <p> The final battle in the war of the Transformers will take place on a primitive, organic world...called Earth. <p> Pretty basic stuff...the whole film is basically about finding energon and battles between the Decepticons and the Autobots...there are humans, but they're kept to a minimum (running in fear of giant robots :P ) the military have one battle...and they're beaten badly by the Decepticons. <p> There's no energon cubes of sparks of life, the energon in the film exists within the planet itself, just one of many raw elements that can be mined. <p> Yes, the story is pretty basic...but that's what we, or at least I, want from a TF movie...a film that's about the Transformers...no human subplots, no cheesy scenes, just some exposition and a whole lot of robots kicking the crap out of each other. Is that too much to ask?

  • March 27, 2007, 2:37 p.m. CST

    IT"S ME BITCHES!!!!!

    by knowledge1027

    Sorry just had to say it..........damn mike bay to hell

  • March 27, 2007, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Lemming

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    You are fucking stupid.

  • March 27, 2007, 2:41 p.m. CST

    MICHAEL BAY SUCKS BALLS!!

    by wolvenom

    this will blow goats

  • March 27, 2007, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Vadakin

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Your script proposal is superlative to what moviegoers shall bewitness.

  • March 27, 2007, 2:59 p.m. CST

    Carbman32

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I sincerely see your point. I just expected more from a property so rich with possibilities. Many a naysayer posts due to his/her passion about the property. This could have been so much better in someone else's hands. I would rather have no movie than this. Too many liberties have been taken and complete departures from the Transformers concept have been made. TINO. Hope you get what you pay for. Let us know.

  • March 27, 2007, 3 p.m. CST

    this has too much potential to kick ass to be so negati

    by wcoop893

    ve. i mean, seriously, get over your little cartoon and older toys. this is 2007, you are older now, and so is your cartoon. it is now a live action badass movie that looks to kick all kinds of ass. i can understand skepticism about any movie, but nt this much hatred. you are all pathetic.

  • March 27, 2007, 3:02 p.m. CST

    and dont kid yourselves, you will all see it.

    by wcoop893

    i mean seriously, i can call your bluff just by reading your posts on the computer. dont be dumbasses, you will definitly check it out. oh and i dont doubt for a second that you will try as hard as you can to hate it, but you will all see it at least for the action, because apparently this is going to be like nothing we've ever seen before

  • March 27, 2007, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Big Giant Robots

    by sevenrivera

    Who doesn't love big giant robots blowing shit up? Everybody loves it. Will this movie provide it? Maybe, maybe not. Will it provide it right? Not even close. It will be lame cliche'd human melodrama interspersed with cartoonish over-edited stupid violence awash in a horribly overpowering soundtrack and all of it will be centered around an infantile (good word for it Superninja) simplistic and derivative excuse for a plot ("Peace through Tyranny" - how stupid is that line?). I'm so sick of the plants and apologists saying, "It's a popcorn movie" or "Big Giant Robots are cool!" "It's based upon a cartoon" or "Bay knows action." NOOO! That is not enough. Not nearly enough. Raiders is a popcorn movie. Jaws is a popcorn movie. Batman Begins is a popcorn movie. This movie and everything Bay has ever done is garbage. There is no excuse for this putrid tripe. Why do people hold him to such a low standard? Why does he still have a job?! I'm with the guy who said he prays that this flops miserably and Bay never works again. I'll go one better, I hope it flops miserably and Bay gets beaten with a sack of hammers for all the damage he's wrought on the American summer movie experience. This is much bigger than just sticking to G1 source or flames on Prime or whatever other fanboy issues people have, this is a dog peeing on a robot. This is Michael Bay. It's like wooosh!

  • March 27, 2007, 3:21 p.m. CST

    "Peace through tyranny"...

    by GiggityGoo

    Wasn't that the Megatron toy's original "slogan" as printed on the box's tech specs?<p>Megatron is arrogant enough to be fine with admitting he desires being a tyrant. That was one of the great things about Megatron... he was completely enamored with having total and complete power. And he made no secret of that.

  • March 27, 2007, 3:21 p.m. CST

    wcoop893

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I am over my toys and cartoon. I read the comics Simon Furman writes. He crafts a fine story with great dialogue, depth and tension along with giant robots blowing shit up. Why can't this movie have these elements? Rhetorical question.

  • March 27, 2007, 3:21 p.m. CST

    action: "Will this movie provide it? Maybe, maybe not.

    by wcoop893

    sevenrivera, thats basically what you just said. do you know who is making this movie? do you know what this movie is based on? i think you can rest assured that there will be plenty of robot fighting in this movie. oh, and obviously it will be done better than anyone else in the world could do it. are you retarted? this is michel bay, and he said theres more acton in this movie than he put into any other movie. that means robots and explosions, and boy does them right. and you also said cartoonish violence? it apparently almost got an R rating. you my friend, just said typed one of the dumbest things ive ever read on this site.

  • March 27, 2007, 3:23 p.m. CST

    wcoop893

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Nope. Not going to see it. Hasbro already gets enough of my cash via their licensor approved G.I. Joe and Transformer comics. Enjoy the film.

  • March 27, 2007, 3:23 p.m. CST

    Harry

    by sevenrivera

    I hate to say it because he seems like a good guy, but Harry is also responsible for the lowering standard of expectations for today's movies. He's always so quick to love almost every movie made nowadays that he overlooks fatal flaws and forgives horrible insults to our collective intelligence and sensibilities. He's happy to say, "Giant Robots! Woo-hoo!" and he'll go to the movie and squeel with delight even thought it's a turd sandwich on the screen. Why? Because he's a happy guy. His site has become an international phenomenon and he's attained a level of celebrity he never could have thought possible growing up. I'm very happy for him and respect all that he has accomplished and will continue to accomplish, he's done an amazing thing here, but let's face it, he's lost that critical edge necessary to bring objectivity. Simply put, he's too happy to be taken seriously when it comes to critical analysis. Intellectually, he will know that this movie sucks but he's in such a good place in his life right now that he'll be all too eager to simply say, "Fuck it, it had one or two good parts. That's good enough for me, I can ignore the rest." Good on you man, but you've got a responsibility and a degree of influence now. Use your powers for good, I implore you. Be critical. Hold filmmakers and studios to the highest possible standards. Force them to reach higher instead of race to the bottom. Don't let them continue catering to the lowest common denominator. Vilify idiots like Michael Bay. Run him out on a rail. Bring back good movies. Bring back intelligence, subtlety, sharp writing, character development, story, acting ability, etc. You can have all that and still have good action and big giant robots. I promise you, it is possible if the studios give a shit. In short, bring back integrity to the process. And it starts by beating the shit out of Michael Bay with a sack of hammers. Damn you Michael Bay, damn you straight to hell.

  • March 27, 2007, 3:23 p.m. CST

    HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    by wcoop893

    i havent and dont plan on reading the script, but i havent heard very many specific or serious complaints, except megatron doesnt speak enough. Joblo of joblo.com read the script and really liked it. so im not so convinced this will be terrible

  • March 27, 2007, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Carbman32

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    The Thing and EFNY should be left alone. Alas we are powerless save only for ticket sales. They won't get my cash. Hollywood, please stop this remake-a-go-go business and formulate an original thought. The Transformers cartoon/commercial is far superior to this TINO dreck. Why risk writing an intelligent movie. I mean, The Matrix movies bombed. Pretensious? Perhaps. The Matrix > TINO. My opinion.

  • March 27, 2007, 3:33 p.m. CST

    THANK YOU Sevenriva, you just nailed Harry.

    by IndustryKiller!

    You just summed up the problem with Harry Knowles with that excellent post. I've been coming to this site since I was a teenager and I used to think Harry had done one of the coolest things I had ever seen with htis site. It used to be a site where true film geeks came to argue and discuss while also controlling the dreaded internet hype machine. The past few years I have noticed a growing trend with not only accepting, but extoling the virtues of absolute garbage. The hcarge has been led by none other than Harry himself. And you are right, I dont think its that he doesnt know its crap, but he is so god damned positive about everything that his wonton praise fires every which way but loose. You might say "Well thats good the guy loves movies". Well yes he loves movies, but he also professes the love the very institution that is cinema, and if you love that institution, especially when you have a certain amount of influence, you have a responsibility to not let it degrade to a place where Michael bay is acceptable viewing. Let's face it, the insititution of film is a tough place right now, Harry should be ashamed for using what influence he has for the worse.

  • March 27, 2007, 3:36 p.m. CST

    Sevenriva questioned the amount and quality of action

    by wcoop893

    we will get from this movie. i dont think anything else needs to be said about him.

  • March 27, 2007, 3:36 p.m. CST

    wcoop893

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    How new are you to these boards? Seriously. If you have been here for over a month and have yet to come across specific or serious complaints, except megatron doesnt speak enough" then I submit you are either a.) not reading the TF boards or b.) have a selective and/or short term memory. Laundry list styly complaint rants have been typed on these boards. As for Joblo, beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Joblo really liked it, I found it really insulting. Not trying to start a fight with you, I just find it appauling that you have yet to read "very many specific or serious complaints" if you have been visiting the boards for the past month or two. Hope the action meets your expectations.

  • March 27, 2007, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Sevenriva 03:23:54

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Fucking brilliant. Thank you. Here here.

  • March 27, 2007, 3:41 p.m. CST

    wcoop893

    by sevenrivera

    Listen man, I don't know you and I never will so I'm going to assume you mean well. Maybe you're just young. But if you think that this movie is going to be anything more than infantile claptrap with a blistering score, then you're setting yourself up for a big disappointment. Will there be some decent scenes? Probably. Maybe a good fight scene or some cool chase or something. Maybe even more than one. But overall, this movie is going to be replete with insults to your intelligence. Whether it's cheesy dialogue, poorly plotted storylines that don't withstand any rational scrutiny, piss poor editing, half-assed acting or completely over-the-top cartoonish violence that completely takes you out of the movie. This is Michael Bay here my friend, his work speaks for itself. The way I see it, you are either (i) a generally good kid, a cock-eyed optimist who hopes for the best because you'd really love to see a good movie here because you are a big transformer fan, (ii) a plant paid to do your best to help the buzz, or (iii) the very lowest common denominator of which I wrote about - just not bright enough to notice or care when movies are just plain stupid when they are capable of being so much more. If you fall into either (ii) or (iii), then I've got nothing further to say to you. If you're in the first category though, then let me say that I am sorry because I wanted a great transformer movie too. I really did. But we lost that dream the second Michael Bay signed on. You may not believe me now, but after you've seen it (and it may take more than one screening - you may be in denial at first and just will yourself to think it's ok), you will know in your heart of hearts that I was right. Trust me.

  • March 27, 2007, 3:48 p.m. CST

    WCOOP893

    by IndustryKiller!

    Haven't heard any serious compaints?? Have you been reading the TF talkbacks? IF not then allow me to enlighten you. First and foremost the script falls HEAVILY on the side of the human characters. Which are all written as god awful cliches. And when I say all of them I mean every single god damn one of them is hair pulling out annoying. Then there is the characterization of the robots. Bumblebee, for instance, doesn't speak. The rest of the Autobots, save Prime, have a few lines that go knowhere to show off their personalitites. They aren't really given time to because those pesky humans seem to steal the spotlight. The Deceptacons have it even worse. They arent even given the most base traits of characterization. They are mindless drones who attack shit in order to gather information to "wake up" Megatron, who has been frozen for the past 200 years or something. Even Starscream doesn't do a god damn thing. Megatron shows up for maybe the last 15 minutes of the film or so and is then dispatched in the proper anti climactic way. Also Frank Welker isn't voicing him and as much as I love Hugo Weaving, his low drawl simply doesn't fit the character. Also this could be one of the most heavily product placed films of all time. The script alone makes Josie and the Pussycats look like a Lars Von Trier film in that respect. At one point and Xbox 360 actually grows arms and legs and runs away. Oh yeah btw the great Deceptacon plot is that with the power of the energon cube they can make machines grow arms and legs and start running around destroying things. Seriously. I also don't think it needs to be said that Michael bay is directing this film and he is a god awful director. He can't even direct action, despite popular opinion and the road he has led this film down thus far is in direct opposition to everything that makes Transformers unique. He quite simply doesn't get it, and if you think he does neither do you.

  • March 27, 2007, 3:48 p.m. CST

    The look

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Simple shit like this excites me more than this film.<P>http://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=BRpQmmMj<P>http://www.3dblasphemy.com/ OPTIMUS/OPTIMUS.html

  • March 27, 2007, 3:54 p.m. CST

    The look

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Shit like this get me more excited than this film<P>http://www.3dblasphemy.com/ OPTIMUS/OPTIMUS.html<P>http://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=BRpQmmMjDP0

  • March 27, 2007, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Whoops.

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Sorry gentlemen/ladies. Patience is a virtue I have yet to attain apparently.....

  • March 27, 2007, 3:56 p.m. CST

    Latinoreview.com reviewed it favorably as well.

    by superninja

    I could tell from the review the script was likely a piece of crap. So then just to be fair I read it myself. And sure enough - crap tracks DO lead to a piece of crap!

  • March 27, 2007, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Optimus Prime

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I'll admit, the poster is cool. Too bad about MINO. Love this one. I know you have all seen it.<P>http://www.youtube.com/ watch?v=T5175Y06_Lk

  • March 27, 2007, 4 p.m. CST

    Superninja

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Fogot if I asked you this or not. Do you or have you read any of the comics? Off topic since TINO sucks no matter what your frame of reference is concerning the subject material. Just curious and possibly forgetful. Michael Bay is a waste of amino acids.

  • March 27, 2007, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Good Question HWCBN

    by sevenrivera

    I'm interested in that too. Since I'm clearly not going to get my Transformers fix from this puss-infested canker sore of a movie, what are the good Transformer comics out there nowadays? Anything worth reading?

  • March 27, 2007, 4:15 p.m. CST

    IndustryKiller!

    by PwnedByStallone

    You are my hero.

  • March 27, 2007, 4:15 p.m. CST

    This looks so fucking cool you lot can go fuck off

    by bongo123

    and play with your g1 robots while i munch popcorn and be entertained

  • March 27, 2007, 4:15 p.m. CST

    SevenRivera

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Gotta preface this by stating a simple fact. I love Transformers (and G.I. Joe). I have a Deceptacon insignia tattoo on my shoulder and an Cobra insignia on my other shoulder. HUGE LOSER FANBOY. Whatever. I am clearly biased, however I submit that most of what Simon Furman writes is very enjoyable. Dreamwave had a good thing going there when the jumped on the 80's nostalgia bandwagon and then they went bankrupt. IDW is putting out new material and releasing the Dreamwave stuff again via collections. Furman, Sarracini and Mick craft some good stories. I read Transformers: Stormbringer last night and thought it was The Shit. The Generation One stories by Sarracini were fun. Infiltration is cool. Escalation is just beginning. The War Within minis were very enjoyable. There is lots of shit out there all superior to this crap. Even the Marvel and Marvel UK stuff. Target 2006. To each his own though. What I find cool you may just yawn at. Don't get me started on G.I. Joe. America's Elite is tightness personified. Hope Hollywood never makes a G.I. Joe film, though I can see it happening. Murphy wanted to make that first, but the Iraq war started so he opted for this. Ugh.

  • March 27, 2007, 4:15 p.m. CST

    One more day...

    by PwnedByStallone

    till the Lost talkback. Thank Christ.

  • March 27, 2007, 4:17 p.m. CST

    And when I said "superior to this crap"

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I meant Bay's TINO

  • March 27, 2007, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Bet the chicks dig those tattoos...

    by bongo123

    no seriously i bet they do...

  • March 27, 2007, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Bongo123

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    What chicks? I'm the first to admit it's loose but my wife loves them. That's all that matters to me. I'd have to wear a tank top/wife beater out in public for anyone to even see them. Got them for me and no one else. <P>Enjoy TINO. Let us know how cool it is.

  • March 27, 2007, 4:23 p.m. CST

    "Merge into Criplatron!"

    by kinanswer

    The poster looks like a spidey/kong rip off.

  • March 27, 2007, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Thanks HWCBN

    by sevenrivera

    Appreciate it dude, I've seen enough of your posts to respect your opinion. I'll give some of that a try. As for Bongo123, you're part of the problem. Stop being the problem. Don't excuse crap by saying, "I'll be munching popcorn." Why are you giving them an excuse to make schlock? You can munch popcorn and be entertained by a good movie. People live up to the standards given. Force them to make a good movie. Don't just accept crap and call it entertainment. You can still have fun summer action movies, but it's not crazy talk to expect them to be at least reasonably intelligent. Be better than that man.

  • March 27, 2007, 4:25 p.m. CST

    sevenrivera and others

    by wcoop893

    am i wrong to say that the majority of complaints are about designs and michael bay? and sure you are complaining about too many humans, but they are necessary like it or not for this movie to be successful because we need that human point of view, and in order for it to go main stream it has to be kind of like an alien invasian movie. you all dont like that, fine. but im sure the script isnt that bad, but you really really cant tell until the movie comes out. also, someone said they lost all hope of a real transformers movie the second michael bay signed on. wow, you are realy giving it a chance. and please stop with the coments about the cartoonish violence and action, and the possibility of one or two ok action scenes. this is the perfect michael bay movie for action. action, no one has to worry about. i am, however, worried about the way these things are going to look like when they speak and if that will be corny, them speaking english and all. how the hell are you going to have any dialogue coming from these robots and it not be cheesey? i dont see that. and yes im younger than you, but no i am not a transformer fan, but ive really gotten into this movie because it looks like a good visual feast for the eyes, i would never expect anything more. this is a michael bay summer movie, why the fuck are we all so concerned about the plot? youre being like ants at a picnic (family guy anyone?)

  • March 27, 2007, 4:26 p.m. CST

    also, MEGAN FOX

    by wcoop893

    bay delivers the hot chicks, following up scarlett johanson with the normal long hair in the island we get this megan fox. excellent

  • March 27, 2007, 4:28 p.m. CST

    KEITH DAVID IS BARRACADE

    by wcoop893

    another great casting move, bitches

  • March 27, 2007, 4:37 p.m. CST

    BLLLLESSSSS YOOOOOU MIIIICHAAAAELLL BAYYYYYYYYYY!!!!

    by JDanielP

    I was never a fan. But THIS I gotta see!

  • March 27, 2007, 4:38 p.m. CST

    GIANT FUCKING ROBOTS GOTTA EAT!!!

    by J-Dizzle

    yeah, you fucking read that right.

  • March 27, 2007, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Coop

    by sevenrivera

    I'm not here to complain about designs or scripts or even plot specifics. I haven't read the script, I haven't even paid much attention to the designs. I'm here to complain about exactly what you just wrote, "this is a michael bay summer movie, why the fuck are we all so concerned about plot?" My friend, you just encapsulated the entire problem. Why do our summer movies have to suck? Just because they are big budget action movies released in the summer doesn't mean we disregard everything that makes a movie great. Why do we have to do that? We didn't always. Empire Strikes Back, Jaws, Raiders - even recently, Batman Begins, the first Spiderman, the first Pirates of the Caribbean, etc. Movies can be big blockbuster events with awesome action, but they can (and should) still have all the other elements that make a good movie. This is Michael Bay, even you admit it will have none of those elements. I guess people either get it or they don't and I'm just going to give myself an ulcer trumpeting the same themes. I've tilted against this windmill long enough. You guys go see the movie, make excuses for it, make it a hit, continue the cycle, keep Michael Bay employed for years to come so that we can see how many other great ideas/source material he can completely crap on, so we can all really appreciate for eternity the damage he's done to everything that is good and holy in this world. I can't do it though. I like movies too much. So enjoy Bongo and Coop, and damn you Michael Bay, damn you.

  • March 27, 2007, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Firstly, just havin a harmless pop at the tats mate..

    by bongo123

    ive been tempted myself several times to get a cool alien one but ended up going down the original tribal route.. As for being part of the problem, i dont see how being adult enough (yeah right) to not expect someone to work miracles with a film based on giants robots killing each other.. the total premise of the movie is ridiculous and its not like James Cameron wanted to do it so we got Bay instead whom i think is a master of set pieces, behind spielberg, matrix bros and Jack Sydners 300, the dude can cut an action scene together like nobodys buisness, heck i've liked his movies, they entertain me and thats all he's set out to do with this movie is entertain, hes not looking an oscar or for it to become the be all and end all of sci-fi comic movies, he's delivering what i think will be an absolute riot of a movie and you guys with your damn you this and G1 that are the ones acting like spoilt little kids cause someone has came along and wrecked ur wittle 80's cartoon and you know what the major thing that pisses me off about all these winging pissheads is... YOU HAVENT EVEN SEE THE FUCKING MOVIE YET!!!! for the love of god how the fuck can you possibly call it crap when not one of you have seen a final cut. You keep harking on about the shite script but we all know these things getting re-writtin on a daily fucking basis so that script you lot cried your hearts over probably resembles about 45mins of the actual fucking movie. When DOTD was getting remade, probably the same lot thats making such a bitch fest about this went apeshit to the point of fucking hilarity about how romero was a god and how dare they touch this and how shite the new movie was gonna be.. and you know what, the fucking movie rocked, it shut every fucking one of you up and highlighted the fact that you all know jack shit about movies that you HAVENT WATCHED YET!!! i think this looks cool, i think it'll make a shit load, i hope you all hate and i hope the fuck he makes a sequal just to piss you all off

  • March 27, 2007, 4:50 p.m. CST

    New Talkback term

    by Phategod2

    Can we come up with a use for the term "It's like whoosh" or some variation.

  • March 27, 2007, 4:51 p.m. CST

    sevenrivera

    by wcoop893

    michael bay doesnt write his movies. holy hell. if you havent read the script, what are you complainging about? you dont even know. the island and M:I:III i think were written by the writers of the tranformers, and they were both good movies, and at the same time had a ton of specticle. i expect the same. the island, bays last movie, was even a little bit thought provoking, and some of the imagery was very strong. why cant this happen again? i dont know why not, and neither do you if you havent read the script or payed much attention to the designs. so im glad that you are giving this a chance and waiting for the first real full length trailer - oh wait, you arent, and youve already decided to hate this 4 months in advance. good work

  • March 27, 2007, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Ok WCOOP893

    by IndustryKiller!

    Dude, I see more clearly where youa re coming from now and I understand. It must be tough for you to see where alot of us are coming from never having a childhood Transformers experience like the rest of us. Trust me dude, and I'm using all the objectivity I can muster right now, the script IS THAT BAD. It's a bad script. period. Let me give you some background on Transformers. What made them cool was that you didn't NEED alot of human character(although there were a few) because the robots already had all the personality you could ask for. They were all so distinct and cool and had all the emotion attached to them that a human element could offer. Now in the film I understand the need for more humans, but teh script takes it to ridiculous levels, relegating the Transformers themselves to novelties. WHat disturbs me about your post is the complete excusing of what Michael Bay does. I frightens me that the generation right below me (I'm in my twenties) is growing up with a completely differnt frame of reference film wise. A mindframe in which genre films are supposed to be poorly written, acted, and directed and thats ok. Michael Bay CANT direct, he even sucks at action. His MTV quick cutting proves this beyond a shadow of a doubt. The guy is clown shoes. Yous hould never demand less for a product you are paying for, especially when its made by Hollywood, which I assure you has nothing but spite and plays off your perceived stupidity.

  • March 27, 2007, 4:55 p.m. CST

    sevenrivera your 03:23:54 PM

    by Phategod2

    Was Fucking brilliant

  • March 27, 2007, 5:01 p.m. CST

    I hope there's more action than in most Bay's movies.

    by JackPumpkinhead

    So that it's not like whoosh!, but like, like, WHOOOSH! Maybe even WHOOSH-WHOOSH-WHOOSH! (Who said "plot"? What's that and who needs it when there's 20 reels of action, and it's like WHOOSH?)

  • March 27, 2007, 5:02 p.m. CST

    industrykiller

    by wcoop893

    first:michael bay can direct action like no one else besides probably cameron(but he makes a movie every 10 years) Second: how unrealistic and expensive would it be to have no or minimal or little humans in this movie? completely impossible. and it would be weird for the main population because theres no human point of view. to make money and attract the crowds, there has to be and will be an alien invasion type of feel, which i think is fine. third: i know michael bay doesnt make the best movies. its cool, we see eye to eye there - well just about- but i enjoy armageddon for what it is, and i enjoy the rock and his other movies - minus pearl harbor. but holy hell the attack scene in that was entertaining. anyways, i think it would be weird and out of place to have a complex and really smart script for a transformers movie. REMEMBER, this was based on a toy line and a cartoon - FOR KIDS - so why are we expecting oscar gold from this movie? you see, it makes no sense. i dont have low standards, i am just realistic.

  • March 27, 2007, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Bongo you, my friend, are beyond hope

    by IndustryKiller!

    Especially if you think Bay can direct action. You are wrong. Plain and simple. COld and hard. Wrong. He hasn't directed a decent action scene since The Rock. If that epileptic crap that he does is considered good to you, go to your local community college and take a film class, even the teachers there know better than Micahel bay. And as for the "You havent seen the movie yet" bullshit, no I havent, but I;ve read the script and I am intimately familiar with Bays work. What fucking more do I need? Is there something Hollywood has done in the last ten years to make me think that magically studio executives and shills like Bay alike will, somewhere in the production of the film, wake up and do something right, something radically different? The Dawn of the Dead comparison doesn't stand cause no one at that point knew what Zack Snyder was about, where as Micahel Bay has made it crystal fucking clear what he is about. In fact he insists on beating our fucking heads in with it. And considering EVERYTHING released so far from the film has been right in line from the script, I think it's fair to expect those rewrites to be minor. Bongo, I want you to give me a good reason why I should expect this film to turn out any differently than I am expecting it to given the script, designs, and director. Seriously think of some. And also, how does it feel to be the lowest common denominator that people speak about?

  • March 27, 2007, 5:03 p.m. CST

    It is correct that Megatron's toy packaging had "Peace

    by superninja

    through tyranny!" as his motto. The cartoon was a little more nuianced than the packaging, though. ;)

  • March 27, 2007, 5:05 p.m. CST

    ay ya yai

    by PotSmokinAlien

    i didn't give a rats ass about transformers even though i was a bulls eye in terms of their original markey. yet i still have a gigantic problem with this movie and it is not because they fucked with details or mythology. it is because it is a brainless, cocaine fueled shitfest that pumps insulting ideas of what fun is and what men are into the segment of our culture who is not used to thinking for themselves. ram your "ideas" down our throats 1 1/2 years before you have shot one second of film, spray a lot of money up onto the screen with your giant cocks via computer effects and explosions, and sit back and wait for the money to turn into cocaine again, so your next movie can be as disjointed and chaotic as us unthinking sacks of pure testosterone can handle. man this has gotten me even more mad than i thought it would. fuck you, harry-- a big old Fuck You for pimping this movie so hard and saying you love movies at the same time. anyone who loves movies would not be excited for this insult to the art form to see the light of day.

  • March 27, 2007, 5:06 p.m. CST

    wcoop, the designs are just a sign of a deeper

    by superninja

    problem with the movie and it's that they deviated from the origin story for absolutely no reason whatsoever. They've added nothing to the story through the choices they've made, they've actually made it more convoluted.

  • March 27, 2007, 5:06 p.m. CST

    But superninja...

    by Childe Roland

    ...the toy packaging is really the only truly undisputed canon out there for Transformers.<p>This was the personality the creators of the character had in mind when he was originated. The sunbow toon was an adaptation of those characters, faithful in some regards, not so faithful in others. The comics were another interpretation and varied from the toon in several regards.<p>You have to see the irony in your criticism of canon for the G1 toys, right?<p>;)

  • March 27, 2007, 5:06 p.m. CST

    The face plate on Optimus

    by Neil McCauleys Crew

    won't stay on for the movie, moving mouth parts on a robot? OMGWTF

  • March 27, 2007, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Not really Rowland. I'm making the same

    by superninja

    point I've been making all along - it's not just about the toys at this point.

  • March 27, 2007, 5:10 p.m. CST

    Great Point IndustryKiller

    by sevenrivera

    I'm afraid you are right dude - on every point in your last few posts actually - but specifically, to your last point, I think we are losing an entire generation. I remember one of my little sister's friends seeing Raiders of the Lost Ark for the first time and saying it was derivative of The Mummy. I couldn't decide if I should weep or beat the shit out of the kid (I think I chose both, I weeped while I wailed on his candy ass). Are you kidding me? Are you going to compare the two? The Mummy may as well have been directed by Michael Bay with its nonsensical plotlines, horrible CGI, terrible acting and total lack of intelligence or subtlety. Not to mention it completely stole entire scenes from Raiders. But was it that kid's fault he was born into the modern era of shitty blockbusters? When movies like Batman Begins is the exception and not the rule? Fantastic Four gets a sequel while Serenity barely made its money back. What kind of world are we living in? Maybe I've already turned into that grumpy old man complaining about "these damned kids nowadays", but I seriously feel bad about our future. Coop is going to keep Michael Bay employed and he's going to inspire new, even more diabolical, Michael Bays. I'm afraid we are going to wake up one day to a world filled with Michael Bays. It will be a dystopic nightmare and men like us will have no choice but to eat a gun in a vain attempt to save our souls.

  • March 27, 2007, 5:10 p.m. CST

    remember:this is a toyline/cartoon. why do we want a

    by wcoop893

    brilliant script for this movie? it wouldnt work. it was originally for kids, and kids are still going to love it now, but what else do you want. you ask for way too much from your childhood toys and cartoon. its not even about the script that is written or bay, its about your expectations being weird and impossible to reach from the beginning

  • March 27, 2007, 5:13 p.m. CST

    We arent expecting Oscar gold WCOOP

    by IndustryKiller!

    I'm not sure why when people ask for more, others resort to "You want brilliance!" Not brilliance, just a fair amount of what fundamentally makes something what it is. No one is asking for Oscar gold buddy. Just that when a film is called Transformers, it actually merits the name. Transformers is more than just big robots. Is it shakespeare? Certainly not. But it had characters, good ones that people hung on to after 20 years. That says something. ANd apparently you didn't read my last post very carefully. I acknowledged the film needed more humans, but not to the point that the Transformers themselves are novelties, which is what they are int his script. In fact you know what WCOOP, stop being a pussy and go read the fucking script, you can find it anywhere. Cause until then you are simply less informed than the rest of us. And once again if what Bay does passes as good action you need to wake the hell up. MTV style quick cuts are automatically bad action. automatically. You do not pass Go or collect 200 dollars if thats how you direct action. Just because you enjoy his films does not mean the craftsmenship of them is good. Gain some perspective. Its called a guilty pleasure and we all have them, yours is Michael bay. But liking something and having that thing be quality are two different things. ANd when you say we "just about" see eye to eye on the fact that Michael bay doesn't make the best movies, does that mean you "just about" think he does? If so you need some schoolin' my friend.

  • March 27, 2007, 5:14 p.m. CST

    i value a smart movie like the rest of you and i know

    by wcoop893

    damn well that bay doesnt make them, but im just being realistic unlike the rest of you who want the transformers movie to be an oscar contender. the only reason i see michael bay movies is for the action. i get my good smart movies elsewere. but when i saw the island, it was really not bad. plus the action was good as expected. so dont tie me into these people you know who dont value a good movie, and think the "mtv style" directors are going to take over. i wouldnt like that, but i do beleive i will enjoy a movie about thte transformers directed by michael bay. that is all

  • March 27, 2007, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Industry i dont see you making movies?

    by bongo123

    I see bay making movies, and guess what his movies may appeal to the lowest common denominator because you can sure as hell bet if he pandered to the so called "elite" the movie would be a fucking waste of space enjoyed only by a few dults who cant let go off the past or get over there childhood memories of an 80's cartoon. As for unable to direct action? fuck mate i thought the chase scene in badboys 2 and the island were pretty darn fucking faultless when it comes to cutting together a chase scene... id sure as hell love to see your lame ass attempt at it or better yet your thoughts on how to improve it, they were perfect in my book and the books of all the people that dont go into watching a movie with a poker up there ass hating it. Why dont you vote with yor wallet and you that other 20 or so losers can all sit at home and play with your boxey G1 transformers while the rest of the world enjoy a popcorn movie but you know what... you and the other 20 whackos will be first in the fucking queue and you can sit there and bitch and moan all you want but i bet if you turned around and checked out the audience they'll all be smiling and having a blast.. which by the way is what hes setting out to do, your just to up your own arse to see it

  • March 27, 2007, 5:21 p.m. CST

    It's not that weird or unreasonable. Sorry. You're

    by superninja

    just making excuses for bad filmmaking. So we can't have a meaningful and well-made Iron-Man movie because the medium it was originally created in was a comic book? That's just poor reasoning. They're no different than mythology, they should be treated the same way. Mythology needs certain elements to function properly, they are classic themes. Transformers had all of that, Bay just made something juvenile because he did not understand it. There was nothing juvenile about the Transformer cartoons, they were just accessible to kids.

  • March 27, 2007, 5:22 p.m. CST

    sorry that came across a bit more angry than i thought

    by bongo123

    oops, my apologies.

  • March 27, 2007, 5:24 p.m. CST

    Its the same people who confuse realism with

    by superninja

    being more mature when often it is not. In fact more often than not fantasy films more purely represent ideas an archtypes, but unfortunately, the filmmakers are too juvenile to get this, or they simply hone in on the most juvenile aspects.

  • March 27, 2007, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Coop

    by sevenrivera

    Still missing the point buddy. You're right, it's unfair to ask him to win the Oscar for Best Picture. But it's not unfair to ask for more than Pearl Harbor. It's not unfair for me to ask for a cohesive and reasonably intelligent storyline. It's not unfair to expect a little bit more than empty space between overwrought set pieces and heavy handed melodrama. It's not unfair to ask for actors that care more about acting than they do about their hair. In short, it's not unfair to ask for a good movie. Is that too much to ask? You say you get your "smart movies" elsewhere, but I ask why do we have to have "dumb movies" at all? Especially with source material with such potential and resonance as the Transformers? It's not unfair to expect better than what we've been getting and I'm disappointed that you're so willing to accept so much less.

  • March 27, 2007, 5:30 p.m. CST

    They should change Megatron's motto to

    by superninja

    "Peace through Tranny!" Because he looks like Trannyformer.

  • March 27, 2007, 5:34 p.m. CST

    Surrender the Field

    by sevenrivera

    I think I'm gonna go back to the obscurity from which I recently came (I was drawn to action from lurkerhood by my hatred for Michael Bay) -- IndustryKiller, SuperNinja and PotSmokin'Alien, you guys are saying what I'm thinking and better than I can say it. You guys give me a small glimmer of hope that maybe we're not doomed to a lifetime of Pearl Harbors, Armageddons, X-Men 3, Mummies, etc. Maybe a small rebel force can overcome the tide of putridity spewing out of Hollywood studios. As someone who truly takes his movies seriously (all of his movies, summer blockbusters to late season "smart movies" - to paraphrase my friend coop), it's good to hear from like minded people.

  • March 27, 2007, 5:40 p.m. CST

    HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    by superninja

    I read the comics when they first came out and followed the G1 guys (around the time of Hama's GI Joe and Marvel's Thundercats). Then later I picked up some of the stuff by the British writers and didn't like it nearly as much.

  • March 27, 2007, 5:41 p.m. CST

    im so sorry you are all unable to enjoy a pure action m

    by wcoop893

    ovie in the summertime. and yes im going back to that. your expectations are too high. a kids cartoon is now an adults and kids movie. how did they get there? by making it more real and exciting with action. not by changing the characters - good for all of you. michael bays movies are not made to win awards, they are not even made to impress critics. they are made to make people laugh and go "oo and awe" at the screen. and people - not any of you obviously - are able to accept that and enjoy it. its a hollywood movie, and we are allowed to have some no brains fun. plain and simple. sorry you guys no nothing about that. sorry you guys dont like alien invasion movies like independence day. sorry you guys cant enjoy to watch cars blow up beautifully on the highway in bad boys 2 and the island. and im sorry you guys are pretending to skip the transformers because 40 foot real looking cars turning into robots fighting each other on our planet is not good enough coming from a director who can be trusted with huge set pieces, all because of a stupid, simple cartoon that was made to sell you toys when you were 10. goodbye.

  • March 27, 2007, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Also, to be fair, I think Bay directs dynamic action

    by superninja

    scenes. The problem is, they almost never make up for lack of characterization and hokey plots. He often coasts by on the charm of his actors who play themselves.

  • March 27, 2007, 5:49 p.m. CST

    The cartoon guys put a lot of work into the characters

    by superninja

    and their backstory. So did the comic book writers. Regardless if they were meant to sell toys, they crafted something that went well beyond that. For it to survive this long and the love for the G1 characters and their story to still be what drives it should tell you something. People don't go to movies just to see things blow up. Action movies without interesting characters and stories don't make as much money as good action movies. You support medicocrity, pure and simple.

  • March 27, 2007, 5:52 p.m. CST

    good call SUPERNINJA

    by wcoop893

    theres no denying his action sequences. but keep in mind, bay doesnt write his movies. so the plots and the characters are certainly not completely his fault. oh and im only defending him because some of you were saying he couldnt shoot action, and because everyone else is apparently not going to give this movie a shot just because of him. how lame

  • March 27, 2007, 5:56 p.m. CST

    And the straight up fact is, if someone made

    by superninja

    a Superman movie, but said the main character was going to be Jimmy Olson and other people from Metropolis, and Superman was just a supporting character and that his brother was Lex Luthor, everyone and their mom would know that's not Superman.

  • March 27, 2007, 5:56 p.m. CST

    BAY IS FUCKING GARBAGE!!!

    by wolvenom

    when he leaves this world his obituary will say MICHAEL BAY WAS A PIECE OF GARBAGE...........and his TOMBSTONE WILL SAY RIP MICHAEL BAY THE WORLD'S BIGGEST PIECE OF GARBAGE!

  • March 27, 2007, 5:58 p.m. CST

    on adapting childhood icons

    by drave117

    If the reviews I have seen are anything to judge by, I am going to get slammed for this, but Michael Bay really needs to pay attention to what Kevin Munroe did with TMNT. I would guess that the majority of us here are in our twenties or older. To these people, I say, think back to any cartoon that you absolutely loved as a child. Think of what you remember that show as being. Have you watched it as an adult? It wasn't really what you remembered, was it? What Munroe did absolutely perfectly was make a movie that is exactly like what we REMEMBER the cartoon being like, rather than what it actually was like. In doing so, he created a movie that every adult TMNT geek I know loves, and that every wide-eyed kid coming out of the showings I've been to also loves. No, it's not a perfect movie, but it is an adaptation that has somehow managed to please a lot of fans of the comics, the cartoons, AND the movies, as well as winning over new fans. That's a damned impressive accomplishment, if you ask me. In my opinion, that is the perfect approach for something like the Transformers. No, the G1 cartoon wasn't the thundering masterpiece of compelling storytelling and high drama that some of us remember it as. It was an entertaining cartoon that a lot of us liked when we were kids, which made us hopeful that this movie would give us back some of those feelings of childhood joy and wonder. A truly savvy director (like Munroe) would be able to tap into this and make a movie that functions as popcorn entertainment for a new generation, while still honoring the rose-tinted memories us adult geeks have of the G1 cartoon. And I don't think I am pathetic for feeling this way. No, I'm not saying Munroe is a directorial genius or anything, but he totally gets something very fundamental about human nature, childhood, and storytelling that Michael Bay doesn't seem to understand. Will this new Transformers movie entertain a lot of people? Probably. Will it be good? Maybe, maybe not. Will it leave a HUGE number of people feeling let down? Absolutely. Especially because of the biggest mistake Michael Bay has made regarding the Transformers. His mistake was going out of the way to seek out geeks at comic conventions and TELL THEM that he was going to make the G1 movie they all wanted to see, and then giving us his re-imagining of it where the only similarity is that Optimus Prime looks pretty similar to how he used to look, and that he has the same voice actor. Frankly, I think that was kind of a dick move on his part, and it is the underlying cause of a lot of the hate. Just my two cents.

  • March 27, 2007, 6:01 p.m. CST

    transformers cartoon was originally to sell the toys.

    by wcoop893

    its in no way in the same class as superheros and other comic book legends. dont even try that. i dont care how popular you think transformers are, if bay wasnt making the movie he is making now, it wouldnt appeal to anyone but a few million internet people like yourselves.

  • March 27, 2007, 6:03 p.m. CST

    YOU FUCKING LOSERS DONT GET IT DO YOU??

    by wolvenom

    BAY FUCKED YOU!!! HE GAVE YOU ONE FUCKING TRANSFORMER THAT LOOKS ANYTHING LIKE THE ORIGINAL! ONE MOTHER FUCKING TRANSFORMER!!! ONE!!! COUNT IT PEOPLE! COUNT IT ON ONE FUCKING HAND .... NOW COUNT IT AGAIN!!! ONE!!! ONE! ONE!!!! ONE!!!!!! ONE!!!!!!!!!!!! ONE!!!!!!!!!!! one mother fucking transformer which thank god happens to be optimus....... BUT ONE?!?!?!?! THAT IS WHY I HATE MICHAEL BAY!! FUCK HIS EXPLOSIONS AND HIS HACKERY..... if he gave us atleast TWO FUCKING TRANSFORMERS THAT LOOKED ANYTHING LIKE THE ORIGINALS THEN MAYBE THEN I COULD FORGIVE HIM!! BUT COUNT IT AGAIN!! ONE !!! ONE!!!!!!!! ONE!!!!!!!!!!!! ONE!!!!!!!!!!!! ONE!!!!!!!!!!! WTF!!!!

  • March 27, 2007, 6:04 p.m. CST

    drave, that is an excellent point. That is exactly

    by superninja

    what they should be doing, if they were smart. First of all, no one thinks the old cartoons were perfect, but they are certainly hands-down smarter than cartoons today. It is the potential: all of the pieces are in place in terms of archtypes, characterization, motivations and clashing philosophical ideas, to make a really compelling story. It's classic mythology. It was the same thing when they came out with NEW Transformer, GI Joe, He-Man and Thundercats comics. They made the mistake of not building on the foundation but trying to either adult it up (sex, violence, etc.) or merely duplicate the original cartoon. All of those shows had great bones and you could really focus the characterization and create really compelling stories with them - they're timeless.

  • March 27, 2007, 6:07 p.m. CST

    DAMN YOU TYCHO BRAHE!!!

    by Johnno

    That geocentric model doesn't seem to be adding up!

  • March 27, 2007, 6:09 p.m. CST

    Final Thought

    by sevenrivera

    You know what? A really good Transformers movie would have been pretty freakin' sweet . . . it's just a crying shame that we'll never see one. Damn you Michael Bay, damn you straight to hell.

  • March 27, 2007, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Hey Bongo

    by IndustryKiller!

    You're right Bongo you don't see me making movies. You don't SEE me doing anything. You don't know who I am or what i do asshole. You don't know if I have or haven't made movies and I would stop assuming if I were you. I made the moved to Los Angeles and at least I'm putting my money where my fucking mouth is. How about you Bongo? WHere the fuck do you live? What kind of attempts have you made to improve this medium in the least? maybe you have I don't know considering I DONT KNOW YOU. But at least i know I'm fighting the good fight. And I'm sorry that I get offended when assholes like you try to cheapen it .

  • March 27, 2007, 6:21 p.m. CST

    reminds me of "Brotherhood of the Wolf" DVD cover

    by oscarmike

    the Megatron pic. I mean

  • March 27, 2007, 6:27 p.m. CST

    DAMN YOU MARVIN GAYE!!!

    by Johnno

    There indeed are mountains high enough, you dig?

  • March 27, 2007, 6:29 p.m. CST

    APOLIGITONS, UNITE TO FORM EXCUSEANATOR!!!!

    by Optimus Murphy

    Defend TINO and Michael Bay!!!!

  • March 27, 2007, 6:29 p.m. CST

    BSB & Olivia Munn

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I second that. WW=Olivia Munn. Hotness. Intenseness. Sexity.

  • March 27, 2007, 6:35 p.m. CST

    MICHAEL BAY

    by johnnykool

    Come suck my big fat cock. I'll even put mustard on it for ya, but then you might have to fight Harry for it.

  • March 27, 2007, 6:40 p.m. CST

    Not all non blockbusters are great

    by emeraldboy

    Take Hard Candy, one of the most over hyped movies I have ever seen. Great opening, then, I was amazed by how quickly the whole film spiralled into mediocraty. Ellen Page was very good, I will admit. that but once she is revealed as nut case, the movie had nowhere to go. What Sandra Oh was doing in that movie I have no idea and the end of the movie was terrible. Brick was similarly Over hyped. pretenious arty film school nonsense. Or Bullshit as my old man would say. Again that movie started off interesting but quickly became mediocre then repitive and then just annoying. Chumscrubber i havent see but all accounts its a bit like desperate housewives, a murder happens and then for next two hours we meet the subarbanites who all have dark secrets. I passed idiocracy on the shelf of the Extravision. I have heard nothing about that. dont know nowt about it or right at your door or eleven fourteen.

  • March 27, 2007, 6:42 p.m. CST

    drave117

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    TINO had so much potential. Your points are wonderful.<P>To the simpletons who enjoy Bay films. Yes, as a consumer I demand more. Fuck the fact that I am a TF fanboy. Fuck it all to hell. The script is ass. The designs are ass. The director is ass. He hasn't grown any. His last six films have been shameful and shit. That's enough for me to make an educated decision on where and how I spend my money. Sad thing is this will make a shitload of money due to the mindless automaton sheep that want to see an obnxiously loud movie. The audacity of having a plot that is entertaining.... I don't want ID4. I want an intelligent TF film filled with giant fighting robots AND allegory.

  • March 27, 2007, 6:46 p.m. CST

    The posters are cool-looking, but I'm not too enthused.

    by Orbots Commander

    TRANSFORMERS is basically a little kids' movie produced to sell toys, just like the animated series during the '80's. I guess I'd have more anticipation if I were 10. I'm not begrudging kids their entertainment, but adults getting all worked up over this movie is a bit silly. Then again, you can make the same argument about Raimi's Spider-Man movies, but never mind...

  • March 27, 2007, 6:50 p.m. CST

    Superninja

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Re: the comic series. Cool. I agree that the UK stuff is a tough read, but Furman is much better now. Since Dreamwave breathed proverbial life back into TF during the 80's nostalgia explosion I have enjoyed all the new shit. Updated and yet not insulting. What the fuck to I know? Evidently I am an elitest, movie snob who still plays with toys. I own zero TF toys. I just like entertaining Sci-Fi. The Transformers cartoon was merely the foundation for what has become a wonderfully complex lexicon of mythology. Too bad only hardcore geeks like me are the only ones who can see this. Don Murphy is a money hungry puppet/toolbox.

  • March 27, 2007, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Then I must be a pretentious moron

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I though Brick was awesome. But I like Vachss, Mosley and Chandler books.

  • March 27, 2007, 7 p.m. CST

    Blah

    by landocolt45

    They should say "Suck" and "Blow". I am losing faith in this movie. Ever since my high expectations for FF(and we know how disappointing that was) I don't get excited about comic/toy movies anymore until I see them. Especially since Michael Bay is doing it. He really needs to make this rated R. If 300 has taught anyone anything it is that R rated movies WILL make money. And I know it's Transformers and all, but look at who was watching the original Transformers back in the day. We who are now 30. So an R will rake in the cash. But you gotta get those 7 year olds in their seats. But can Bay make a movie without using fuck in it anywhere? Because if I was a soldier and I saw a giant robot I would be screaming FUCK!

  • March 27, 2007, 7:09 p.m. CST

    Landocolt45, TF and 300 don't share an audience.

    by Orbots Commander

    300 is as big a hit as it is due to pulling in repeat adult audiences, including date crowds. It's getting the GLADIATOR audience. I'm not sure Transformers will pull in many over, say, 15 years old. Don't believe that article about the movie dodging an R from the MPAA; that's studio sales spin, trying to sell adults on the movie. At its core, TF is a big budget Saturday morning cartoon. Now, there's nothing at all wrong with that. There's a huge market for those type of flicks. Just don't believe that this could ever have been a hard R-rated movie. There was a better shot of me marrying Rachel McAdams than TF winding up a Verhoeven type science fiction movie.

  • March 27, 2007, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Transformers was never given a "R" rating.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    This has been repeatedly pointed out and corrected on the official TF sites. The film has not yet been submitted to the MPAA. The movie Shia was referring to was "Disturbia".

  • March 27, 2007, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Ganymede WHOOSHED

    by Phategod2

    I think when ever a star or fan gives unearned lip service to a project it should hence forth be known as WHOOSHING

  • March 27, 2007, 7:23 p.m. CST

    So is it official...

    by ImperialMarchFace

    Transformers is the most bitched about movie of the summer, so far?

  • March 27, 2007, 7:28 p.m. CST

    ImperialMarchFace

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Without a doubt. I'm sure it's only going to get more ferocious as opening day looms ever closer.

  • March 27, 2007, 7:33 p.m. CST

    BSB, Transformers IS rated R

    by Bronx Cheer

    R for Robots! Seriously, there is no way on this earth that a movie with the potential to sell as many toys as this one has will be slapped with an R rating. I think this is all hype to convince people it's hardcore, when in fact, it's looking to be a pansy of movie, a veritable cinematic nancy boy.

  • March 27, 2007, 7:42 p.m. CST

    this arguement is going around in fucking circles

    by Mr_X

    watch it or dont watch it, i really don't care. Just remember the autobots want the movie, the decepticons are the haters. bless you michael bay and for fracks sake make a good fucking movie.

  • March 27, 2007, 7:42 p.m. CST

    Somebody has a green thumb

    by INWOsuxRED

    because this talkback is stuffed full of plants.</br></br>What would have been so hard about getting Megatron's head correct? Its just his fucking head. Just put the gun head onto the pointy scientology spaceplane thing, so you can at least get something right.

  • March 27, 2007, 7:43 p.m. CST

    Autobot want the movie done right

    by Phategod2

    Human Germs dont care If its a steaming pile they just want to see sh*t blow up

  • March 27, 2007, 7:46 p.m. CST

    autobots want to see it on the big screen

    by Mr_X

    decepticons masturbate to comics

  • March 27, 2007, 7:49 p.m. CST

    I will see robots blowing shit up July 4th

    by Doc_Strange

    Downloaded and on Xvid that is. Or as I like to call it, a big FUCK YOU to the execs, the producers, and yes most of all to the director. FUCK YOU!!!

  • March 27, 2007, 8:13 p.m. CST

    Well, this TB is done.

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Name calling. Nice. Well, apparently I'm off to masturbate to my comics. Be well Superninja, BSB, IndustryKiller, SevenRivera and those I forgot to mention i.e. those capable of independent thought.

  • March 27, 2007, 8:25 p.m. CST

    decepticon losses were too great the autobots have won

    by Mr_X

    good triumphs over evil. good job people, good job.

  • March 27, 2007, 8:50 p.m. CST

    count me in I have friend that speaks Aluepic

    by Phategod2

  • March 27, 2007, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Wow, their profiles look the same!

    by ProziumJunkie

    I wonder if that's because they're fucking brothers in this movie...meh!

  • March 27, 2007, 8:56 p.m. CST

    Well, welll well.................... Bay approved eyes

    by jegoing74

    They look beady with a metal iris. BFD......... They finally admit these mother fucking ROBOT designs are based on insects and animals. Fuck You and your shitty giant limp robot movie michael bay.

  • March 27, 2007, 9 p.m. CST

    Visionaries: Knights of the Magical Light

    by jegoing74

    "The writers of the new Transformers movie thought of the shape-shifting robot characters as giant, mechanical knights." I'm calling BULLSHIT AND wrong movie Kurtzman and Orci. You weren't making Transformers, you obviously had fantasies of your real dream project, visionaries another product of the 80s from hasbro. Optimus Prime wasn't a knight. Hollywood hacks.

  • March 27, 2007, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Wow, they ALMOST look like faces...

    by Bones

    If you had no idea what the movie was about, you'd think these were abstract art pieces that had dog commands at the bottom.<p> Has this come out and failed at the box office yet?

  • March 27, 2007, 9:15 p.m. CST

    My outline part 2

    by Vadakin

    Just to address a few things. It was very early in the writing process when I moved on to something else but I did have some ideas down. <p> There were humans in the story. I fully appreciate that the audience would need a human to relate to when dealing with giant robots, so there was a main human guy who was the audience's gateway to that world. The army was there too, but they got their ass handed to them pretty early on and pretty much put their faith in the Autobots to stop the Decepticons. <p> I did play around with the idea that Megatron and Optimus were friends before the "Energon Wars" began, but I scrapped it pretty early on. I much preferred the idea that Optimus wanted to stop Megatron for the sake of Cybertron, not because he had some ancient grudge with Megatron. However, Megatron, in the course of the war, would have grown to despise Optimus, simply because the Autobots kept defeating him. <p> Regarding the action, well it would have started with a prologue and then a big battle on Cybertron. Then a Decepticon battle with the military before the Autobots showed up to save the day, a few smaller scenes just a couple of minutes long, a big chase scene and the climax would have been a battle royale essentially, with the Autobots fighting the Decepticons and a final battle between Optimus and Megatron. Put it this way, a 2 hour film...at least 90 minutes of it would have been action. <p> The plot...well what I wrote above was essentially a backtory and the intro to the film. The "Earth" sequences were something that I never completed writing. But the basic idea was that the military knew that there were strange beings coming to Earth having picked up signals from deep space tracking satellites (or something :P ), these of course being the Decepticons. After a huge battle, the Autobots show up and the Decepticons get away, wanting to fulfill their mission. <p> Basically, they were going to use Earth's satellites to search the planet for Energon deposits that they could then mine. However there was no stealth involved...if they wanted to get into NASA or where ever to get access to a satellite, they'd just break in, all guns blazing...after all, nothing on Earth is capable of stopping them so why bother trying to sneak in? <p> There was also a subplot involving StarScream and Megatron, with the latter thinking that Starscream was going to betray him and take control of the Decepticons, but Starscream had his own agenda. <p> The main human character ("Seth" in the initial outline) was pretty much an average guy who just got caught up in the events and had no real idea what was going on...I kept going back and forth with him, considering whether or not to make him a military officer. The reason I was thinking of making Seth a military officer was because I'd planned on having the humans (probably the UN or something similar) make him the liason between Earth and Cybertron at the end of the film. <p> Speaking of the ending, the climax involved the Decepticons digging into the earth to extract energon, of course the Autobots show up. There would have been a massive fight between the two groups and of course the showdown between Optimus and Megatron (having already had a couple of encounters earlier in the film). Megatron is defeated falls to the ground and orders Starscream to help him, but Starscream just tuns his back on Megatron and walks away, followed by the other surviving Decepticons. <p> The Autobots, with the help of the humans, would then extract the energon they needed and they would return home to Cybertron as heroes, the war would be over. Sequel...hadn't really thought much about this, but one idea was that Megatron returns as Galvatron, and after regaining control of the decepticons (following a big fight with Starscream) he would then set his sights on destroying humanity and ruling Earth, prompting Optimus and his Autobots to return to defend the human race. The third film may have dealt with Unicron, not sure. <p> Anyways, sorry if I bored you guys, but just thought I'd share what my idea for a TF film was.

  • March 27, 2007, 9:39 p.m. CST

    They've ripped KING KONG

    by BendersShinyAss

    they have!! I can't believe it. seriosuly, Agree with me someone

  • March 27, 2007, 9:48 p.m. CST

    sevenrivera: Stick around!

    by Mogwai Democracy

    You have valid & important points in your posts. I enjoyed reading them & agreed with all you had to say. There's no reason for a movie to be given a free pass because it's just a 'dumb action film' or whatever. It's our lowered expectations that allow the studios to get away with this crap. As soon as we stop paying money for this stuff, it'll stop being made: simple as that. There's no reason why a movie can't have explosions and chases and a lot of big fx pieces and all that jazz and STILL be intelligent and have some artistry & creativity to it.<br><br>There's no reason why Twinkies can't be made with all natural & organic ingredients & be really healthy for you, except that it so much CHEAPER and EASIER to make them with all that synthetic crap. The majority of people don't know or they don't care and so they eat them anyway & so we ALL have to deal with poisonous Twinkies... or something like that. <br><br>When people vote with their dollars & stand up for their Twinkie rights then we will all have healthy Twinkies & Michael Bay will be begging for spare change down on Hollywood Blvd.

  • March 27, 2007, 9:50 p.m. CST

    Comingsoon.net was faster

    by sleepytones

    always is

  • March 27, 2007, 10:05 p.m. CST

    I heard about purity balls

    by Phategod2

    on Bill Maher the other night. Those funny christians I figured they'd rise up and join the catholics to try and destroy James Cameron.

  • March 27, 2007, 10:16 p.m. CST

    Purity Balls, you gotta be freakin kiddin me!

    by ProziumJunkie

    Nice story, sounds like daddy's been putting his "purity balls" on his little girls chin, nasty fucker!<p>Bet Bay has coke purity balls every weekend.

  • March 27, 2007, 10:32 p.m. CST

    Who remembers EXOsquad

    by Phategod2

    that was a damn fine cartoon. I don't know what made me bring that up just thought I'd share.

  • March 27, 2007, 10:53 p.m. CST

    NWOsuxRED

    by chiahead

    God I hope you read this. I'm not sure who you are, but something about your last post made me very sad. I thought I was over bitching about how cruelly overproduced and under-written this movie was going to be. I thought I was just complaining for the fun of it. But you said it right there. How hard would it have been? Not just to duplicate the blocky heroes of our childhood, but how hard would it have been to not have started from square one. To homage what made these characters so iconic without having to sacrifice creativity or inventiveness? I remember when the first X-Men movie stills came out and fanboys the world over got riled up over their leatheryness- even then- if you look at Wolverine's costume it harkens back to its comic origins. Cyclops and Storm et al as well. Taking something purely fantastical and synthesizing it in a "real world" environment is hardly alien to film adaptation. Anyway, I appreciate your sentiment and its inherent lack of bitchiness. At least, as I read it. So thank you.

  • March 27, 2007, 11:32 p.m. CST

    chiahead

    by INWOsuxRED

    if Bay made X1, Wolverine would have had a buzz cut, he would have been evil, and his name would have been Badger...but it would still be true to the original X-men you love! Wolverine was certainly toned down in the movies, but Jackman still had some funky hair, and you could tell the very second he appeared on screen that he was Wolverine. The cartoon/comic book head of Megatron had the personality of Megatron in it(I could also argue that the gun shape perfectly embodies his character as well, as the only function for his transformer form was for destruction, but apparently I'm totaly wrong and movies designed to sell toys shouldn't attempt to have any type of meaning). This head just makes me stare at it to try and figure out where things that resemble a face might be located. This Megatron will no doubt be like an SNL impersonation, where either Megatron himself, or some other character will constantly be saying "MEGATRON" so as to convince you that he is actually portaying Megatron.

  • March 27, 2007, 11:48 p.m. CST

    Did I even comment on the pics

    by Phategod2

    Prime looks pretty good. If they removed that stupid bar from over his eyes he'd be perfect Megatron is still a F'n mess. sad.

  • March 28, 2007, 12:28 a.m. CST

    i wish

    by slkboxrman

    all u with "so-called" writing ability, supposedly in the middle of writing their own nostalgic transformers movies would stop thinking unicron is a neccesity...its not and i hope the movies never touch that subject...its sad how unicron has been rehashed the last few cartoon incarnations also....unicron was stupid, that is all

  • March 28, 2007, 12:46 a.m. CST

    DAMN YOU AUNT MAY!!!!

    by Johnno

    Stop making Peter feel bad about Uncle Ben!!!

  • March 28, 2007, 12:47 a.m. CST

    slkboxrman

    by Vadakin

    I assume that was aimed at me, since I'm the only one who actually posted an outline for a TF movie. <p> Regarding Unicron...to be honest, I don't know much about him. I didn't grow up with Transformers, I've never seen Optimus die. I started writing a TF treatment a few years ago after seeing an episode of the show on tv. I did a little bit of research and wrote out a basic story to work from, but I never really looked at Unicron. <P> The only reason I mentioned him for a possible third film, was because having Mega/Galvatron in two films, I thought it would be interesting to show a different villain. I don't know enough about Unicron to say whether he would be good for the franchise or not. <p> But I'd be more than willing to do something else...hell, kill of Megatron and have Starscream take his place as the main villain for the third film. That would work for me. Or create an entirely new villain.

  • March 28, 2007, 12:56 a.m. CST

    This of course is all fantasy...

    by Vadakin

    I never finished my TF treatment, therefore I never tried writing a full script and submitting anything...and Michael Bay is making the film, not me. <p> Would my TF film have been better than Bays? Well that's a matter of opinion. I'm kind of in the same situation as Bay in that I wasn't a TF fan, I just like the idea of giant robots kicking the crap out of each other...but that doesn't mean the film can't follow what came before though.

  • March 28, 2007, 1:12 a.m. CST

    No "Destroy Transformers" Jokes?

    by SilentP

    Really? I'm disappointed, people. That's prime joke material. Pun... what the heck, intended.

  • March 28, 2007, 1:30 a.m. CST

    "DESTROY TRANSFORMERS"

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    Truth in advertising?

  • March 28, 2007, 1:52 a.m. CST

    megatron has reese witherspoon's chin

    by vicious_bastard

    Lame - and I still don't understand why they didn't hire the original voice guy. Prime does look awesome though, I must admit.

  • March 28, 2007, 2:02 a.m. CST

    GibsonUSA

    by SilentP

    Nice.

  • March 28, 2007, 2:31 a.m. CST

    27 usages of the word "fuck" in the TB titles alone

    by TallBoy66

    I ain't counting how many fucks there are in the actual talkback.

  • March 28, 2007, 4:31 a.m. CST

    why are we being asked to drop standards?

    by Lost Prophet

    Someone said that we shouldn't expect brilliance. They are bang on. We shouldn't expect it, but, we should want it anyway. We certainly shouldn't wish for mediocrity and then be satisfied with utter rubbish.

  • March 28, 2007, 6:34 a.m. CST

    BSB's link

    by just pillow talk

    Dude, the thing that jumped out at me was that the dad they talked to, his kids were home schooled. Did you see Jesus Camp? Do they get pledge pins?

  • March 28, 2007, 7:33 a.m. CST

    DOWNLOADING MOVIES IS A SIN!!!

    by wolvenom

    don't download this movie when it comes out!!! I REPEAT!!! DO NOT DOWNLOAD THIS MOVIE WHEN IT COMES OUT!!! THAT IS PIRACYYYYYYY

  • March 28, 2007, 7:38 a.m. CST

    Jumping the Sharkicon

    by jefflebowski

    As a child of the 80s and now just cracking 30, I don't know how I missed it, but I just finally saw the original Transformers movie and let me say I wish I had waited another 30 yrs or so. Horrible. Now I know why I skipped it. Why would there be gender-specific robots, or robots with facial hair? How can a planet eating robot get his butt kicked by a few dinobots? My head spins the more I think about it all, best to not. I know they were trying to introduce a new generation of Transformers with the film, but what a huge mistake to kill off the characters that we were growing up with. In the same vein, I think it's pretty lame to mess with the look of the robots in the new movie. You should dance with who brung ya. It's been said before but therein lies the problem of revisiting your youth. Disappointment more often than not awaits. I will most likely go see the movie, but the whole time I will be thinking why is bumblebee a mustang?

  • March 28, 2007, 8:14 a.m. CST

    Meh. I'm excited.

    by mordiceius

    I've been reading these talkbacks since the Transformers movie was announced and it seems like the same 10 people on every single one crying about the same things. I read the script, sure there were parts that I didn't like, but overall, I thought it sounded exciting. The people who are getting all pissy would never be satisfied. Everyone has this image of how the movie should be in their mind that is a vision only shared with few other people. Others, like myself, are just happy that Transformers are big again and that we'll get to see them on the big screen. One of my favorite arguements I've read about a thousand times is that the movie's writing is very cliche. I can understand this since the original show and movie WAS WRITTEN BY SHAKESPEARE HIMSELF. I rewatched the original movie a couple weeks back and couldn't help but laugh at some of the shit in there. Most of the naysayers are what I like to call nostaligsts. It sort of reminds me of when you were a kid and you used to climb that HUGE hill down the street. You remember it taking forever to climb it because the thing was gigantic. When you go back 20 years later, you realize the thing was tiny and it was just the wild imagination of youth. It is sort of the same thing for these nostalgists. No Transformer movie could ever please these people unless they made it themselves and then, all the other people would still bitch about it. As for me, I'm excited for this flick. Everyone I know is excited for it even after we talk about what many of you see as pitfalls. I'll be there opening night.

  • March 28, 2007, 8:19 a.m. CST

    enough of this negative shit lets get posi

    by PotSmokinAlien

    remember back when peyton reed was gonna direct FF and it was gonna be set in the 60s? that almost makes me feel the same i way i do when think about the US before sept 11 peyton reed would be the perfect guy to direct a thundercats movie come to think of it, and you know that fucker is on the way if TF makes its expected millions. mario van peebles as panthro----- i say no more

  • March 28, 2007, 9:54 a.m. CST

    I like that Prime one...

    by nonsensical

    Honestly there's no trace of his body being blue, you don't actually see his body, and if they had done this G1 with updated looks he might have still looked like that from the side. So, I can live with that image. However, I know that from the neck down he looks like ASS! Flames on blue, toes, and a gut. <p> I won't even go into the Megatron... all I know is that's not him. This is. <p> http://tinyurl.com/32f4cx

  • March 28, 2007, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Vadakin

    by INWOsuxRED

    I don't think you can get away with killing Megatron and replacing him with an underling without a new threat. It makes the villian less threatening. In the comics, Shockwave replaced Megatron for a while I think, although why would a decepticon be a weapon of destruction? So I guess you could have shockwave the highly effective, logical, extra cool space plane replace Megatron, the old and ineffective and boring space plane. What the toys/comics/cartoons always did was progressively get bigger, so you'd probably have something like the constructicons or any number of combiners that followed be the focus of a sensible sequel. The dinobots are another favorite, with their own origin story.

  • March 28, 2007, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Some of you people are completely insane!

    by Ryan30

    I have been reading these talkbacks for a long time and they are commonly negative. Apparently, everybody likes to bitch on here and they can always do things better. Michael Bay is constantly getting ripped for various reasons. I guess you people only want to watch boring Robert Altman or Oliver Stone dramas. Every movie needs to have a complex plot and four hours of character development or else you start whining. Unless you read last year's Superman Returns talkbacks where you complain about lack of action. It makes perfect sense! Now I'm reading a couple of lunatics actually write that Michael Bay cannot direct action. How is anyone supposed to take you seriously when you say something that incompetent? When you watch a Bay movie, you can see the time and energy he puts into creating beautiful shots. The end of The Island where the camera swoops around the hill while the clones in white shirts escape, and the incredible Steve Jablonski music plays in the background is a breathtaking shot. Likewise, the scene where the fluid is released from the clone bag, the Japanese planes flying over the baseball field in Pearl Harbour, etc. Michael Bay is one of the few directors with the skill and financial backing to actually use real props in his action scenes. Do you want to see fake CGI cars flying all over the place, or do you want to see Bay split a bus in half in Transformers, or flip an armored truck in the Island? Horrible action movies are XXX, Stealth, Sky Captain, XXX2, Bad Company, any of the Pierce Brosnan Bond films, and many more that I have tried to forget. These movies have crap stunts and they insult your intelligence with their ludicrous plotholes. The Rock is one of the greatest action movies ever made. If you can't see that, then I suggest you move on to talkbacks for horror movies, comedies, and dramas. I'm sure they will appreciate your constant complaining.

  • March 28, 2007, 10:50 a.m. CST

    um, Ryan30

    by just pillow talk

    While the action scenes have always been done topnotch by Bay, the rest of his movies suck. Oh, and his movies don't insult your intelligence? At least those movies you mentioned didn't have an animal cracker scene!

  • March 28, 2007, 10:51 a.m. CST

    ^ is a douche

    by wolvenom

    hahahaha

  • March 28, 2007, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Pillow Talk

    by Ryan30

    You don't think guys do lame things to score with a hot chick? The scene in Armageddon might be corny, but it doesn't insult your intelligence. Vin Diesel hanging off a motorcyle in midair with one hand and then pulling himself back on insults your intellgence. The animal cracker scene is also approx. 4 minutes long and a necessary evil to market to some of the females in the audience. It doesn't make the movie suck. I know I'm in the minority with Pearl Harbor, but everyone hates that movie because of the love triangle of doom in the first hour. They seem to forget about how incredible the next hour is. Especially if you watch the restricted director's cut. There is major destruction in that version. I like Armageddon, but it is my least favourite of Bay's movies. Although once again he made a brilliant scene where they show a montage of the different countries waiting to be eradicated by the meteor. Of course it was a repeat of an even better montage in the Rock of the people in San Francisco going about their business while the rocket was in the air. But if it isn't broke, don't fix it.

  • March 28, 2007, 11:50 a.m. CST

    Ryan30 - yes, XXX sucked balls

    by just pillow talk

    but Pearl Harbor should have focused on just the events/consequences of that day. There should not have been a stupid love triangle. It was not needed in that case. The events of December 7, 1941 should have been front and center. I know, I know, the chick angle, but in fact it really hurts that flick.<p>I will say one thing gany, you sure stick to your guns! But there is no way, no way he'll be as big as Cameron.

  • March 28, 2007, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Pearl Harbor

    by Ryan30

    I agree that Pearl Harbor would have been a better movie if it was an hour shorter and the romance angle was not so prominent. Call it Titanic syndrome. They were trying to please everyone and it backfired, but I still love it based on the Michael Bay patented camera shots, music, and awesome action. I really like James Cameron as well. Terminator 2 and Aliens are two of my favourite films, but so are The Rock and The Island. The only thing remotely negative I have to say about Cameron is that he does not really have a style where you can tell it is a Cameron film, except for maybe his consistent use of blue lighting. I have always thought of Michael Bay's movies as moving paintings. The shots are so perfectly detailed. Most people want to bitch about that for some reason, but at least he is doing something that involves a hell of a lot more work and style than just making a standard movie. Look at the scene in Bad Boys 2 where the camera goes through the dance club. There is nobody that can shoot a scene like that. Many people try and fail, including Fincher's CGI camera shots in Panic Room, that mess called Smokin' Aces, and whatever the hell McG was doing in Charlie's Angels.

  • March 28, 2007, 12:07 p.m. CST

    "even Rocky had a montage"

    by Vadakin

    Team America...underrated. <p> The designs aren't the problem. Yes, some of them look like crap (Megatron = vagina with teeth...uh Megatron = vagina :P ) but while people may not like them, we can learn to live with them. <p> The action isn't the problem. Bay may direct action like an MTV promo video, but at least ou know you're going to get something that will look good on the big screen. The action scenes will no doubt bethe best thing about the film (apart from Megan Fox see-thru nipple shots obviously). <p> The problem with Transformers is the script, where the Transformers are reduced to supporting characters as part of a subplot, rather than being the stars of the main story. <p> I'm not a Bay-hater. I enjoyed Bad Boys, I even liked Armaggeddon when it came out and the Island was ok. What I don't like is bay's attitude towards the project. He freely admits that he had no interest in doing a "fucking toy movie" and did so because Spielberg asked him to. <p> When the script leaked and people began to complain about it, Bay's response was to say "don't worry, I'm upping the action" which essentially means that instead of trying to deal with the fundamental problems within the script, he's just adding some explosions. <p> If I was Bay, I would have thrown out the script and started again...maybe he couldn't do that, maybe the studio forced him to work with that script...but at the very least, the script needed a major rewrite, which it doesn't seem to have gotten. <p> Bay's response to fans was to call them crybabies and then you have Don Murphy picking fights with anyone who doesn't give Bay a rimjob. To top it off, everytime someone on the AICN staff mentions Transformers, it almost seems like they're on the Paramount payrole....remember the AICN campaign of hate towards X-3 after the terrible script review? Why isn't TF getting the same treatment? <p> You didn't see Harry Knowles say "oh the script sucks but there will be some cool mutant fight scenes so that's good enough for me." But then, AICN didn't have any exclusive visits to the X-Men set... <p> The point is, we don't expect an Oscar-worthy film...just a good film. A lot of people like Transformers and they have as much right to want a film that stayed true to the source material as a comic book fan. <p> I'm not a nostalgic TF fan...if the film was simply "Michael bay's big robot movie" and had nothing to do with TF, I'd still be here saying the script sucks...because it does. If bay wants to put flames on Optimus, change the nature of energon and turn Megatron into a health hazard, then i don't give a fuck...what I do want is a good movie, whether it's called Transformers or not.

  • March 28, 2007, 12:16 p.m. CST

    coming next summer

    by Kloipy

    Micheal Bay Presents: Jem; She's Fuckin' Outrageous

  • March 28, 2007, 12:17 p.m. CST

    Hey pillow

    by Ricky Henderson

    To answer your question from yesterday, Rickey is very concerned about the Mets bullpen. Losing Dirty Sanchez sucks big time.

  • March 28, 2007, 12:21 p.m. CST

    TRANSFORMERS IS RATED AO

    by J-Dizzle

    Yep, robot porn.

  • March 28, 2007, 12:27 p.m. CST

    PROTECT.......YORTSED

    by Kloipy

    they do look as if they are going to soul-kiss

  • March 28, 2007, 12:31 p.m. CST

    si Ricky

    by just pillow talk

    Not good news. And the news can be far worse if the starting pitching doesn't step up a bit. 5 innings ain't gonna cut it. Let's hope the young kids live up to their potential.<p>And to follow-up on Vadakin's comments, I'm not a big Transformer guy either. I do expect the robots to sort of resemble what I remember as a kid, but apparently they've been changed a zillion times, so I guess that's out the window. If Bay did up the action (the original draft had bits of action), it doesn't change the boy and his car crap and boy and his first girl crap. And I fully expect the 'Maggie' character to be very, very annoying. I think the comparisons to Godzilla that many people have made will be right on. <p>Ryan - See, I want more than just a "movie painting". While they may be pretty to look at, they are disposable movies and viewed once and never watched again. There are plenty of those movies made all the time. I want more than that.

  • March 28, 2007, 12:40 p.m. CST

    TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO!

    by finky089

    Another day another post...<p> TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO! TINO!

  • March 28, 2007, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Pillow Talk

    by Ryan30

    One thing I will compliment you on is your constructive criticism, unlike much of the drivel you read on this site. People who want dramas should go look at the top five movies up for an Oscar every year. There is nothing wrong with a movie that is completely based on visuals and music to be entertaining as long as it is expertly made. Michael Bay makes the best action movies I have ever seen, and I will watch his movies any day over these so called thought provoking yet coma inducing movies like Babel and Lost in Translation. It takes a lot of talent to film the spectacle thay Bay creates. However, some of these people on here find swooping camera shots of a mass of white clothed clones running up an orange hill to be the work of a hack. Meanwhile, one of Babel's many incompetent scenes of some child who suddenly leaves his goats and starts masturbating against a hill is Oscar worthy directing.

  • March 28, 2007, 1 p.m. CST

    shit...so that's how that happens...

    by just pillow talk

    first time the system logged me off while i was posting, hence no TB name. Freaky.

  • March 28, 2007, 1:04 p.m. CST

    The summer is crowded

    by emeraldboy

    but if you look carefully you will find films of the non-blockbusters variety. Last summer gave us Potc and Children of Men. The world of cinema is a fascinating one. There will be one film which will upset things. Like Bean's holiday. JOhnny English made 100 million worldwide. Could be the darkhorse of the summer. Slapstick is universal. Rown Atkinson is a genius. I will try to see as many films as possible. Guess how old bean is. Dont know? bean was created by atkinson and Richard Cutis in 1979!!!!!!!!

  • March 28, 2007, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Ganymede2010

    by nonsensical

    I hope you aren't referring to people like YackBacker, SuperNinja, and Myself who hate the decisions being made in regards to this movie. <p> See many of us have a strong affinity for the Transformers and wanted to see this film providing that it did justice to and respected the Transformers as they have been portrayed in the last 25 years. Unfortunately that isn't happening and it is that which many of us "hate" about this "Transformers" since every choice other than casting Peter Cullen as Optimus Prime has been done with clear disregard and disrespect of the fans and the source material. <p> To that end all of us will continue to discuss each and every falter that Bay and his company continue to make while they fumble the production of this film.

  • March 28, 2007, 1:43 p.m. CST

    emeraldboy

    by just pillow talk

    Where did you get to see COM during the summer????

  • March 28, 2007, 1:56 p.m. CST

    the TINO! movie is like watching a train wreck

    by finky089

    At this point, I'm more enthralled by marvelling over the stupidity in which the production heinously fucks up the concept of TF and and continuously glad I'm not going to be a part of it in the theaters. <P> Everything new that we see or hear about this production is lame or laughably bad. How can people see a train wreck and not comment?

  • March 28, 2007, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Gany you Ignorant slut

    by Phategod1

    Micheal Bay Is Paul W.S. Anderson with a bigger budget and better friends. thats all your tastes are Juvenile and pathetic. I feel sorry for anyone who has to watch a movie with you.

  • March 28, 2007, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Design Changes

    by Ryan30

    The first time I heard about the design changes was an article about Bumblebee being a camaro. My first reaction was that there are enough people out here who like to bitch about Michael Bay for some reason and that it was encouraging even more hatred. Of course that turned out to be true. I can't really comment on the whole my childhood has been raped controversy as I am not a fan. I used to have many Transformers toys as a kid, and I remember enjoying the Transformers movie. I watched it recently and although it isn't horrible, it certainly is not that great anymore. In comparison to the big 80s toys like Star Wars, G.I. Joe, and He-Man, the Transformers toys are pretty junky, except for maybe the first few which were actually made with metal like Shockwave. I also recently read the entire Marvel series and it was terrible, especially that Headmasters garbage. So my point is that the changes won't bother me and I will probably like them better, but I don't see why other people get so upset either. Just because the movie is different, you still have your toys, cartoon, and comics. It's not like the movie is replacing them, it's just an added bonus. At least there is a movie about giant robots beating the hell out of each other. Would you prefer that it was never made? Much like Spider-Man's organic web shooters, and the Phoenix that did not come from space, the comics that everyone loved are still able to be read. Look at the shot in the trailer of the helicopter gliding over the horizon and the heat coming off the sun. That's the classic Michael Bay stunning moving painting shot. That Transformers trailer was the best trailer for the summer until the recent Pirates 3 trailer. It will have to regain the lead with its next trailer.

  • March 28, 2007, 2:20 p.m. CST

    What else should we expect?

    by Thegipperlives

    It's Michael "Fuckin'" Bay! I won't say I hated his movies, but I really, really didn't like them. Other than watching his movies with friends for a decent big budget action movie his movies are absolutely pointless. Someone said it right earlier that Bay is just a talentless hack (Paul W.S. Anderson) with a bigger budget and better friends. We expect more character and more respect for what we all love and hold dear...so what does Bay do? He loads it with more ROBOTS BLOWING SHIT UP. Oh sweet. Less Transformers and more robots.

  • March 28, 2007, 2:42 p.m. CST

    DAMN YOU HAND OF FATE!!!!

    by Johnno

    Nothing seems to be going well for me!

  • March 28, 2007, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Giant Robots Fucking?!

    by keanho_in_nyc

    ...oh.

  • March 28, 2007, 3:14 p.m. CST

    If the 1986 TF raped,why is there is 20th Anivsy. DVD?

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    That movie was f'n awesome. The only reason people bag on it is because they watched it during the TF era when they were 12, and now they are like 30 years old trying to watch it in the context of their current favorite movies.<BR><BR> In the context of 1986, there was nothing animated like TF. That was the year of cuddly animal Disney movies and cuddly animal Disney copycats. TF came out and ripped animated movies a new asshole. Yes, you had to be a TF fan at the time to appreciate it....you had to have followed the TV show....and I did. But even my dad who was watching with me in 1986 was like "oh SHIT!" when Prowl got owned because it was so unexpected. This movie is almost like the new TMNT movie, in the context of its CG competitors.<BR><BR> I'm not saying being unconventional automatically means good....but there was something about taking these beloved characters and putting them in a more "realistic" wartime setting (shots actually hit) that made it kick so much ass when I was watching it as a kid.<BR><BR> I have no connection to these Bay characters. Neither do today's kids, cause they are new. Bay must establish our affection for new Optimus and new Bumblebee at the beginning of the movie. And I'll be looking at flames and peeing on federal agents in scenes to get us to.

  • March 28, 2007, 3:33 p.m. CST

    people also bag on it because they where

    by Phategod2

    whiny babies who could not handle Death. For some it made you realize that life comes to a end and it made you MAN UP other locked thereselves in there rooms and cried themselves to sleep. even at 10 years old it was devestating but I manned Up especially because I knew it was a cartoon.

  • March 28, 2007, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Ganymede2010

    by nonsensical

    Jesus I think I just had some sort of stroke. You honestly think this pile will set a record? <p> Wow, you are delusional.

  • March 28, 2007, 3:48 p.m. CST

    I was shocked when Prowl got shot.

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    But I wasn't tramatized by the movie or anything. My dad was showing me kung fu flicks and taking me to see Terminator and stuff when I was a little kid so I was used to it. He taught me it was all fake and just for fun, so I enjoyed it. Parents who complained about the TF movie need to be owned by Megatron themselves.

  • March 28, 2007, 4:05 p.m. CST

    Lots of Bay fluffers around here...

    by S-Mart shopper

    don't forget to cup the balls:)

  • March 28, 2007, 4:12 p.m. CST

    GANY wont be as happy when

    by Phategod2

    Paul W.S. ander son Directs Robotech.

  • March 28, 2007, 4:21 p.m. CST

    ZombieSolutions

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Did you seriously not like 08th Team? If not, I would love to hear why. I am not challenging you, just curious.

  • March 28, 2007, 4:24 p.m. CST

    I dont know if the TF will spawn Anime movies

    by Phategod2

    I think we can expect a influx of 80's american Cartoons I heard GI Joe has already been greenlit. I'm Eagerly anticipating how they'll (Hollywood) bastardize Thundercats.

  • March 28, 2007, 4:30 p.m. CST

    mordiceius and ryan30, if you are still reading

    by drave117

    Did you see my comments at 5:58:05? I think they pretty clearly explain why a lot of us are feeling the Michael Bay hate. Basically, what I did was translate "Michael Bay raped my childhood!" from Talkbacker to English.

  • March 28, 2007, 5:04 p.m. CST

    I'm not messi

    by Phategod2

    I have two profile and they Have the same name. Most of Transformer faithful TB'ers know me as do you from Siebertron. I'm the same guy. I may be a prick but that does not change the popular belief that Bay is a terrible Director.

  • March 28, 2007, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Messi

    by Ryan30

    What was so good about the last shot in Babel? The crazy, naked teenager hugs her dad on a balcony while the camera pulls back and reveals the rest of the city. So they are two lost souls in the overflowing sea of society? Yeah, big deal! Aren't we all? I'll bet the end sequence of the Island took a lot more time to create than that shot.

  • March 28, 2007, 5:05 p.m. CST

    you know it's me cause who else will

    by Phategod2

    get on you about your beloved Macross movie.

  • March 28, 2007, 5:14 p.m. CST

    Drave 117

    by Ryan30

    I read your post and your main comlaint is that you feel that you were given false information. Well that would be a legitimate complaint. But just because the movie does not have the 1984 designs does not mean that it will not have some of the most potentially awesome action scenes ever made. My main problem with most of these Bay haters is their ridculous comments about him being a hack or not knowing how to direct action. If you want to complain about character development, or lack of a complex plot then go ahead, but you should probably be watching dramas, not action movies. Nobody can create the kind of stunning visuals that Michael Bay can, and anyone who calls him a hack loses all credibility. It's fine to not like a particular type of movie, but it is a sign of complete ignorance to completley ignore Bay's obvious mastery with a camera.

  • March 28, 2007, 5:34 p.m. CST

    "mastery with a camera"

    by Phategod2

    Are you kidding have you ever seen Terminator 1 or 2, Gladiator, Aliens, and a laundry list of action film that make Armageddon look like the POS it truly is Bay can do action sequences that does not make him a good director that makes him a good stunt coordinator. The best acting performaces in any Micheal Bay movie comes from Will Smith, Martin Lawrence and Bruce Willis acting like thereselves. anyone who truly believe Micheal Bay is even a good director is either cashing a check to do so, Too young to know any better, or has really bad (geter done) taste

  • March 28, 2007, 5:40 p.m. CST

    Piracy is wrong...

    by pjdon

    ...You all complain about movies being crap and that Hollywood can't take risks. Well maybe if you didn't suck billions out of the industry by buying pirate movies then Hollywood's profit margins might let them take more risks. I've never understood why someone who likes movies and respects the people who make them can't put forward a few quid to pay for the privilage of watching them. Ok if it is a movie that you would never pay to see then they wouldn't be getting your money either way. But if you don't care enough to pay then just don't watch it at all. But saying you respect a director and then thinking you shouldn't have to pay to see the piece of work they spent a lot of time and effort making is pathetic. When I see a good film I am happy to pay for the privilage, I want the film to make money. Also, if you don't care about how much money Hollywood makes then maybe you should think of the thousandas of people who lose jobs as video shops and cinemas close down. When you buy a pirate movie your hurting your local cinema/video shop and surely that must prick your concience.

  • March 28, 2007, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Phategod2 that's a typical stupid comment

    by Ryan30

    You're last sentence is the typical kind of comment that drives me nuts on this site. Yeah, everyone in the world must agree with you that Michael Bay sucks because you know everything about cinematography, music, stunt coordinating, making hundreds of millions of dollars per movie, etc. I have already said that Terminator 2 and Aliens are two of my favourite movies, but they don't stand out for incredible camera work. I also own Gladiator, but it is actually pretty weak for camera work. I think that movie started the whole in-close camera work during fight scenes that have been a detriment to the action genre. Batman Begins was a great movie, but the camera work made the fights scenes nearly incomprehensible. Pieces of crap like Resident Evil 2 and the Bourne Supremacy had fight scenes that were impossible to watch. Michael Bay has his own style with camera work and you can tell it is one of his movies within a minute. It takes a lot more talent to pull off the type of shots he does than to just point and shoot. His movies do not have outstanding acting, but they don't have terrible acting either. Sin City was a movie that I should have enjoyed, but that was a movie that had bad acting except for Willis, Rourke, and Owen. There is no performance in a Michael Bay movie that is as bad as Michael Madsen and Jamie King in Sin City. Bay makes action movies and he excels in his genre. Look at Uwe Boll. Now that is a hack.

  • March 28, 2007, 6:36 p.m. CST

    ZombieSolutions

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Cool. And I second that i.e. the original series' story was tightness. I'd love to see the original done movie style as well - just done right with respect. Did you like Zeta and DoubleZeta?

  • March 28, 2007, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Bay makes action movies that have poor

    by superninja

    story and characterization. On the whole, the action does not make up for these things - Bay is known for this. For some of us, that is not acceptable in a Transformers movie where characterization and backstory were important elements of the cartoon.

  • March 28, 2007, 6:44 p.m. CST

    I don't pirate movies ever.

    by superninja

    It is possible to just NOT see a movie, you know.

  • March 28, 2007, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Bumblebee being a Bug was a reflection of

    by superninja

    his personality, a play on his name, etc. What does a Camero say? Nothing about the character of Bumblebee from Transformers.

  • March 28, 2007, 7:02 p.m. CST

    The only thing I really care about

    by pjdon

    Is if there is a few laughs, some likable characters, pretty orange stuff and intense action. Bay delivered on all these accounts with the Island so he sould now. I completely understand Bay hate but I have always kind of loved bein able to laugh at his movies... the slow motion american flags, big flashy montages for someone doing something simple like going the toilet etc. I feel there are plenty of actually good films out there so I would miss this kind of over the top crap if it went away. I've never not had a good time in a Bay film.

  • March 28, 2007, 7:09 p.m. CST

    Yeah i a bit late with this post but...

    by knifeandfork

    Megatron looks fucking horrible.

  • March 28, 2007, 7:12 p.m. CST

    gany, I have said repeatedly that I liked The Island

    by superninja

    and I thought it signaled Bay maturing as a filmmaker. Then along came Transformers. It was a fluke.

  • March 28, 2007, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Ryan30

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Are you on the Bay/Transformers street team? Phategod2's statement stands. Bay is a glossy Hollywood whore. And morons flock to his tripe to validate my opinion. Paintings? What? Beauty is clearly in the eye of the beholder. Fool. Yep. I'm a hypocrite. It's come to juvinile name calling. Since I am responding to a child.

  • March 28, 2007, 7:16 p.m. CST

    Megatrons vehicle form...

    by Veni Vidi Vici

    might be a stealh bomber. nevertheless, he still looks like garbage.

  • March 28, 2007, 7:18 p.m. CST

    I thought the Island...

    by pjdon

    Was just as silly as all his films. Just because the plot had a bit more meaning. Don't change Bay, I love ya.

  • March 28, 2007, 7:19 p.m. CST

    Ewan was a major draw for me in The Island.

    by superninja

    So was Djimon and Scarlett. And I thought the pro-life premise interesting. It made the least money of Bay's movies. Goes ta show ya...

  • March 28, 2007, 7:21 p.m. CST

    By the way Ryan30...

    by pjdon

    The acting was not bad in Sin City, it was stylised for the purpose of the material. Thats like saying the acting in a Shakespere play is bad just because people don't really talk like that.

  • March 28, 2007, 7:21 p.m. CST

    Actually, only the last 1/2 of Island was like

    by superninja

    typical Bay films. It started out much quieter and then turned into a Bay film. Even the cinematography was very different in the first 1/2.

  • March 28, 2007, 7:23 p.m. CST

    Not so, pjdon. Anyone can tell when

    by superninja

    a good actor is reciting shakespeare or when a bad one is. Someone can tell when a good actor is reciting bad dialogue, too, or a bad actor and bad dialogue.

  • March 28, 2007, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Superninja

    by pjdon

    That was only because he couldn't find anything orange to film. I actually thought the 1st part was more cheesy than i thought it was going to be. All the clones seemed a bit too free thinking and normal for them to accept the world

  • March 28, 2007, 7:26 p.m. CST

    I don't think Rodriguez gets good performances

    by superninja

    out of his actors. He gets hokey ones. But then you could say the same of Leone, except Leone is more iconic and cooler. Rodriguez is just a wannabe.

  • March 28, 2007, 7:28 p.m. CST

    Well, I'm not saying The Island was, ahem,

    by superninja

    intellectually rigorous, but it certainly was for Mr. Bay. And TF isn't even coming close - have you read the draft script? Embarassing, even by Bay's standards. Armageddon was less offensive.

  • March 28, 2007, 7:29 p.m. CST

    Dunno, i resect most of the actors in Sin City...

    by pjdon

    Don't think much of the dialouge was able to be delivered any less cheesy. I'm sure we'll get something similar with Planet Terror

  • March 28, 2007, 7:38 p.m. CST

    I'd willing to pay if the movies weren't such crap

    by Phategod2

    Piracy is the consumers way at striking back at a market geared towards marketing to the lowest common denominator. as HeWhoCannotBeNamed has so eloquently put it movies with no intellgance are being excepted as the norm and piracy is best way to award these excersises in stupidity. After all Hollywood is pirating your money away from you with a substandard product.

  • March 28, 2007, 7:41 p.m. CST

    pjdon, I wasn't speaking specifically about

    by superninja

    Sin City (haven't seen it), but rather that you cannot just explain it as stylization when there are plenty of cases of good actors delivering bad dialogue or bad actors doing the same. Just being your friendly neighborhood contrarian!

  • March 28, 2007, 7:43 p.m. CST

    Phate, you are still contributing to the hype

    by superninja

    machine by seeing it at all. I say ban the movie, ban it Corleone style!

  • March 28, 2007, 7:44 p.m. CST

    TRANSFORMERS SLEEPS WITH THE FISHES

    by superninja

    See? Now THAT'S what I'm talkin' 'bout.

  • March 28, 2007, 7:55 p.m. CST

    Bay is a good director...

    by Thegipperlives

    ...my ass. Are you kidding me? Have you actually watched what he calls a movie? Everyone of his movies should be called "Joke, joke, laugh, blow-up, joke." People on youtube can film good action, it doesn't take an artist to do so. Shaky camera work is not art!

  • March 28, 2007, 8:09 p.m. CST

    Please watch Sin City Superninja, it rocks!

    by pjdon

    And Phategod2, don't watch them at all then. If you think they are so bad why even watch a pirate copy.

  • March 28, 2007, 8:12 p.m. CST

    Truth Be told I dont even think I'll waste the HD space

    by Phategod2

    This movie isn't worth the time. Theres been movies that I thought deserved my money and I've gone to the theater just to pay them back but this movie is not worth Stealing, Sneaking, definatly not paying. And save for the these fine TB's not even talking about.

  • March 28, 2007, 8:14 p.m. CST

    who of your wrote that poem?

    by AllieJamison

    almost as cool as the little Lilly Tomlin vs David O. Russel clip: http://defamer.com/hollywood/ transformers/how-michael-bay-screwed -up-transformers-a-poem-247951.php <br> <br> The film is a wrap?<br> Wow, how about that!<br> It's still loads of crap.<br> And the Stooges swallow this pap?<br> <br> Who was it?

  • March 28, 2007, 8:19 p.m. CST

    when did Panning around a star

    by Phategod2

    after a action sequence become new, inventive, and GOOD camera work. and like I said before action sequences don't make you a good director as they don't make your movie good. It's one ingredient in a recipe of what makes a good movie if you have a few good action sequences but your movie is incomprehensible guess what? your movie sucks. You want proof? Look at the genreal consensus regarding Matrix Revolutions.

  • March 28, 2007, 8:22 p.m. CST

    Well phartegod2...

    by pjdon

    One, you haven't seen the film (and if anyoone says "oh i've read the script" shut up, it was an early draft and i don't know if you have read many action film scripts but they usually don't come across too well, it's a mostly visual medium) And secondly, I bet any money after all the months of talking about it you will be sat in the cinema on the opening weekend while Bay spends your money on gold lined coke.

  • March 28, 2007, 8:24 p.m. CST

    Finally getting some constructive comments

    by Ryan30

    except for that genius, He who cannot be named, who calls me a child for giving legitimate points on why I like Michael Bay. You would make an incredible lawyer with your brilliant defense tactics. To the person who said Sin City had bad acting as a stylistic choice. I believe that as well, which makes it even worse. Why act bad on purpose? Now that is poor directing. I cringe everytime someone says shaky cam as well when complaining about Bay. He almost never uses shaky cam except for one scene in Bad Boys 2 during a shootout and The Island during a shootout with the armored car. He has some hand held camera shots during foot chases but the camera is not shaking, i.e. the Blair Witch Seizure Inducing Project. Ironically, both of these scenes are before the insane car chase set pieces in each movie that blow most action moview away. Paul Greengrass is Mr. Shaky Cam and his main talent is to induce vomiting from the dizzy audience. Michael Bay is the king of beautiful steady cam shots like the Rock where the angle changes every 5 seconds, the entire approach of the Japanese planes in Pearl Harbor, several scenes in Bad Boys 2, the dance club, the camera spin around a wall during a shootout, the camera swoop around the building and van near the beginning, and of course the amazing last five minutes of The Island. Those scenes are the patented camera skills that make me praise him so much. You do not see that kind of style from any other director. I can understand people who do not look for style in a movie, but when you start bitching about his skills then you make yourself look either ignorant or too much of a self involved egomaniac to admit that he does have talent that others can admire. The problem with most haters, although it is getting better today is that you don't make any sense at all. You bitch at Michael Bay for bad character and too much action. You bitch at Superman Returns for not having enough action. You bitch at Blade 2 which was complete carnage throughout the entire movie. You probably bitched during the BlackHawk Down talkback as well, although I didn't read that one years ago. Don't even get me started on the Star Wars and Lost talkbacks. I have never seen a talkback on this site that had at least 60% positive comments. Why don't some of you people just stop wacthing movies and read books?

  • March 28, 2007, 8:25 p.m. CST

    I'll bet you a Masterpiece Megatron

    by Phategod2

    And raise you a Masterpiece Prime w/ Trailer.

  • March 28, 2007, 8:33 p.m. CST

    And again for the 1,000th time I didn't

    by Phategod2

    need to see Batamn & Robin to know it was a complete POS.

  • March 28, 2007, 8:51 p.m. CST

    Ryan30

    by pjdon

    Regarding the acting in SIn City. If you read the Sin City books the dialouge is just like it is in the movie. You can't say that stuff without it coming out like it does. It's not suposed to be naturalistic dialouge, it's a fantasy world where people talk tough and cheesy.

  • March 28, 2007, 8:53 p.m. CST

    Ryan30

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I already admitted I stooped low by slinging childlike insults. I have backed my opinion up several times on several TBs. I read more than I watch films. I love film and hence my passion. Since I read a lot, I see what Hollywood cannot convey via film. I primarily watch foreign films now. Snob? Sure. Pretentious? It's been said before. I simply demand more for my money. I am a consumer, not a filmmaker. I know what films are attractive to me. Bay's are loud, banal, obnoxious and lack all substance. Personal preference. I am a minority. Without doubt. I shall quote another TBer "this movie will be shitting money on opening day". Sad but true. Bay is still churning out films due to this simple fact. Yes Speilberg chose him. Bay makes money by preying on morons and thus a wise investment/choice/business practice. Morons make up majority of our nation. Look at the illiteracy rate in this country. But I digress. I clearly do not comprehend film making, beauty or substance. Bay has proven he is the master of such. He'll make tons of money. My money will not be part of it. Ignorance is bliss.

  • March 28, 2007, 8:57 p.m. CST

    HeWhoCannotBeNamed Just look at our

    by Phategod2

    president.

  • March 28, 2007, 9:01 p.m. CST

    Sin City

    by Ryan30

    I'm not complaining about the dialogue. Bruse Willis was fine in that movie like he usually is. I hate narrative in a movie and that movie was full of it just like 300, but that's my personal feelings so I won't complain about that. Unlike some people who hate camera style, but refuse to admit their personal preference does not make Bay a hack. My problem with Sin City was the acting. Madsen is normally a good actor, but he was terrible in Sin City and pathetic in Bloodrayne. His acting with Bruce Willis at the beginning of the movie seemed almost like he was goofing off in rehearsal. Jamie King was painful in Sin City, but she was hired for her ass, same as Alba. I'm the guy who owns almost every single comic book movie made, and I watched Sin City twice to try to like it. I ended up hating it even more the second time. I found it to be boring and silly. The Marv sequence was confusing to me the first time since I never read the comic. The hobbit and the heads on his wall was retarded, as was the majority of the Clive Owen section. I could only get into that movie during the Bruce Willis storyline.

  • March 28, 2007, 9:03 p.m. CST

    Phategod2

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Indeed sir, indeed. And yet people voted for him in two elections. Fuck all if they were rigged. They were close. Close. Party faithfuls? Blind morons? Check and check. Bitching aside, I would still rather live here than anywhere else in the world. At least I presume think so... I am sure GW will be there on opening day. TINO/Bay films seem to speak to his intellect.....Be well Phategod2, be well...

  • March 28, 2007, 9:20 p.m. CST

    Ryan30

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    If Sin City was confusing to you then you represent Bay's target audience. The movie was beyond simple, as is Miller's writing style. Kind of like Heinlein. You can enjoy the ride for simplicity's sake or see the allegory laden message(s). Do you realize you are blatantly advertising your inabiltiy to remain focused on film. A Hollywood film at that. Flash and noise does not a good film make (see any Bay film). Debate Bay's style all you like. He chooses bad projects/scripts. He is a toolbox. Sin City is not a masterpiece by any means. It was a love letter to Miller as Miller's stories were love letters to Pulp. Simple revenge tales. Broaden your hoizons. Read a little. You sound like an idiot. I know you are not. You type/speak well. Why the love for Bay? Pretty pictures? Bay is the Puppet Master.

  • March 28, 2007, 9:22 p.m. CST

    Pardon me

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    for I am slightly inebriated and hence the poor grammar and sentence structure.

  • March 28, 2007, 9:25 p.m. CST

    He who can not be named.

    by Ryan30

    There, now you sound like an intelligent person. I agree with you that the world has more stupid people than smart people. I'm from Canada by the way and it is just as bad here. Just go for a drive and count the people who should be kicked off the planet. I also agree with you that Michael Bay has no intention of targeting the intellectual crowd. However, he is my favourite director, and I have nearly completed my fourth accounting degree. I'm as far from a moron as you can get. I read all the time as well, mostly Stephen King, but I'm not going to start an argument on why he is a great writer right now. My entire reason for putting my opinion on here to defend Bay, is to say that he is amazing at what he does. He is not trying to make an Oscar worthy movie and failing. He actually made Bad Boys 2 as offensive as possible just to piss off the critics, and still make an awesome action movie. I watch almost every hollywood movie that is made and dramas are my least favourite genre. Except for Shawshank and The Green Mile of course. What I do not do is go to a Babel, Short Cuts, The English Patient, or Howard's End talkback and whine about how boring those movies are and judge everyone that likes them as a child, or without taste. I judge evey movie that I see on the genre it is in. My favourite genres are Sci Fi and action so those are the movies I become most excited about. I'm saying that Michael Bay is a genius with the camera because when I watch his movies, I can see how much detail was put into each and every shot to make it as stylistic and beautiful as possible. I also love movies with orchestra scores, especially chorus scores. I'm not a big fan of movies about people's lives because you can see that on the news. I want spectacle and Bay is the best at that. Obviously there are many people like myself who like that because of the money his movies make, and obviously there are many people who hate it, based on the people running their mouths on this site. Michael Bay is not a hack for knowing what he is good at and uses it to make great action movies. The people throwing that word around don't even have a clue what a hack is. Look at Uwe Boll. He can't even create five minutes of coherent film. Paul Anderson, and Eli Roth never fail to fill their movies with incompetence either.

  • March 28, 2007, 9:32 p.m. CST

    Sin City

    by Ryan30

    I said that the Marv storyline was confusing to me the first time I saw it. I figured it out at the end, but there were many times where I shook my head at the way it was presented. The rest of the movie was easily understandable. That sequence did not explain what was happening very well. Marv does a hooker, cops suddenly chase Marv, Marv is indestructible against bullets and a car, Rutger Hauer and the Hobbit are poorly introduced.

  • March 28, 2007, 9:42 p.m. CST

    Really did find Sin City

    by pjdon

    to be quite simply perfect

  • March 28, 2007, 9:42 p.m. CST

    Ryan30

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Then we shall agree to disagree. I see your point, while I don't agree with it, I see it nonetheless. I don't like spectacle, but I shall not slight you for that. Entertainment is different for everyone. Personal preference dictates such. Bay's style just isn't my preference for entertainment. I see that you see beauty in his work. I am not a master debater but I enjoyed reading your diatribes. I resorted to name calling and you didn't. I commend that. Thus we end this mutually. Agreeing to disagree. I understand defending what you like. Take care.

  • March 28, 2007, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Pjdon

    by Ryan30

    That's fine that you liked Sin City. I can see that it was well made, but I thought it was boring. However, I'm not going to go off on how bad RR sucks, because I know it was a good movie that didn't appeal to me. Once Upon a Time in Mexico on the other hand is a whole other topic of debate on whether RR temporarily lost all of his abiltiy to direct a movie. You are one of the people who had valid comments about Bay to begin with, so I have no problem with you. It's some of the incoherent, brain dead comments by people like wolvenom and Industrykiller that make me sick. Even Moriarty went off on that guy a week ago for wasting everyone's time with his nonsense.

  • March 28, 2007, 10:20 p.m. CST

    Eh, I don't want to see Sin City. I happen to think

    by superninja

    Frank Miller writes ugly very well, but it's still ugly.

  • March 28, 2007, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Look, Michael Bay can direct dynamic action.

    by superninja

    There is no doubt about it. But action does not a movie make. His characters are usually thinly-drawn stereotypes and the plots paper thin. They usually aren't about anything other than explosions and getting laid with forced emotional manipulation. But I thought he was going to bring something to the table after The Island. Because while The Island is a Michael Bay movie, it is actually about something to a degree. I though he would be a good balance between the action you would expect from Transformers and the story (more important than the action) which is at its heart about the relevant questions we are asking ourselves today about what kind of society we want to live in. And then I started seeing the approach, the deconstruction, the reimagining, and that ridiculously horrible script which is up there with Pearl Harbor. And now it makes sense, because The Island was not a success compared with Bay's other films. You know, the stupid entertaining ones.

  • March 28, 2007, 10:36 p.m. CST

    George Lucas

    by Vadakin

    That's who I would have picked to direct the film. Now bear with me for a second...I know there's a lot of Lucas hate around here but think about it for a second... <p> Lucas has two real flaws...he has trouble writing dialogue and he's not great at directing actors. But there's no denying he has a real flair for storytelling and visual setpieces. <p> He knows how to work with cgi characters...perfect for Transformers. He's one of the best at setting up action setpieces...perfect for Transformers. He's one of the best in the business working with the camera and he's comfortable in a digital environment. <p> All he really needs is help with the script and to keep the human characters to a minimum. I know a lot of people are rolling their eyes thinking, "George FUCKING Lucas??" but if you really stop and think about it, there is nobody better for this type of film. <p> But, it's a Michael Bay film. Can Bay direct action? Yes...but I don't think he's comfortable with a pure action film which is why his movies are filled with unneeded subplots and are full of cliches. <p> On the one hand, Bay loves directing action...but on the other, he seems to have a need to prove to everyone that he can do more than just direct action, so you end up with animal crackers in Armaggeddon, and a pointless love triangle in Pearl Harbor. <p> The problem is, in a movie like Transformers, there's no place for romance subplots and cheesy cliches. Transformers is all about giant robots beating the crap out of each other, but Bay's predictable need to augment that with unneeded filler material could prove to be the films downfall.

  • March 28, 2007, 10:39 p.m. CST

    The Old George Lucas would've been great

    by superninja

    for TF. So would've the Old Steven Speilberg. But not now.

  • March 28, 2007, 10:41 p.m. CST

    Well shit Ryan30...

    by Neo Zeed

    I gotta give you props dude. I don't have the patience to debate Bay haters all day, but you obviously do. I enjoy Bay's films on the same level as Harry (thought the Island was kinda weak and Pearl Harbor outright sucked.) The Transformers trailer certainly looked more enjoyable than Die Hard 4's (which looks seriously tired IMO.)

  • March 28, 2007, 10:46 p.m. CST

    I'd take Speilberg

    by Phategod2

    Speilberg admitted to being a G1 fan I don't know if this was a pre-emptive strike at fanboys but that means even though he old enough to be my father he probably has the most basic knowledge of the canon and characters. He has the ability to make chracters out of nothing as well as big action sequenceses. With that said the following could also do a good job: Ridley Scott, Sam Raimi, The Washowski's,Fat Peter Jackson, Tim Story, Joss Whedon, and James Cameron.

  • March 28, 2007, 10:50 p.m. CST

    Whose the Old George Lucas

    by Phategod2

    To his credit the Old George Lucas has only maybe 2 good directing credits American Grafitti and the First Star Wars, oh yeah THX1138.

  • March 28, 2007, 11 p.m. CST

    Phategod2

    by Neo Zeed

    The Wachowski's are kinda weird nowadays. They might have Optimus talking more about fate versus choice and derail the plot. We'll see what they do with Speed Racer. And after the 3 hour bloatfest that was King Kong, Peter Jackson should go back to Beautiful Creatures territory. Directing smaller films with a tight story. The rest are cool though. Tim Story?! Where did that one come from. Do you really hate Bay that much?

  • March 28, 2007, 11 p.m. CST

    Neo Zeed & Vadakin

    by Ryan30

    I have been reading this site for years and getting annoyed at many comments, so I finally decided to speak up. Even though The Island is my second favourite Bay movie, I think they should have made it restricted. In a summer full of PG-13 movies like Sith, Batman, and War of the Worlds, a restricted Michael Bay directed action movie may have hit gold. It did make it's money back in foreign box office though with different advertising. I got through the first hour of Pearl Harbor by enjoying the camera angles, but then that movie went nuts, especially the restricted director's cut. I don't know why it is so hated. Vadakin, you had the most intelligently presented complaints against Bay I have read on here. Your comments on Lucas directing the movie are valid, but he writes his own scripts and Bay does not. So this Transformers movie would be the same. As for your comments about Bay wanting to direct more than action; I think that is more of his desire to make as much money as possible by throwing in a quick scene to draw in women. Armageddon is his movie that made the most money, and there lies your animal cracker scene. I blame Titanic dammit! The one thing nobody seems to appreciate on here is Michael Bay's desire to blow up real props. You have to respect a man who orders his stunt coordinators to crash up real cars, when he could easily spend his time over the shoulder of a CGI technician at ILM. Transformers will have the most CGI ever in a Bay film, but he still wants to use the real thing as much as possible, like splitting the bus in half. Another bonus to add to my Michael Bay fan boy love is his use of Steve Jablonski for the score. The Island had a magnificent soundtrack, especially the last track on the hill where the clones escape. The trailer for Transformers was made by Bay and scored by Jablonski and it has some crazy sound in it. Jablonski's scores for both Chainsaw movies are also completely insane. It sounds like music that Satan composed while he was preparing to kill everyone. Brilliant stuff.

  • March 28, 2007, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Oops I meant Heavenly Creatures

    by Neo Zeed

    my bad

  • March 28, 2007, 11:10 p.m. CST

    thats why I said Fat Peter Jackson

    by Phategod2

    I said Tim Story the one thing I liked about the FF the Characters with the exception of Doom He got all the characters spot on. he didn't do anything with them but they where there I think FF2 might be a surprise.

  • March 28, 2007, 11:12 p.m. CST

    I may be in a minority here...

    by Vadakin

    But I think the "New" George Lucas is just as good as the "old " George Lucas...I never really got why people hated the prequels so much. Apart from some dodgy dialogue (which the originals had) some wooden acting (which the originals had) and some moments of annoyance (which the originals had, albeit without Jar Jar) the prequels were right up there with the Originals in many areas...in fact I would argue that the overall story of the prequels was not only much deeper and had more layers that the originals, but in places it was much more epic as well. <p> But what I'm talking about in terms of transformers, is Lucas' visual approach to films. Look at Revenge of the Sith: <p> Anakin and Padme staring across Coruscant at each other, Vader walking up the steps of the Jedi temple, the montage of the Jedi purge, the back and forth scenes during the declaration of the Empire...whatever flaws Lucas has, he's lost none of that visual flair and mastery of the camera. <p> That's the type of director that Transformers needs, if not Lucas, then someone who has a visual and creative mind. The problem with Bay is...well how many movies has Bay down where there's the Bay moneyshot of the protagonist turing in slow motion towards the camera which is rising from a low to high angle? You know the shot I mean. <p> The problem with Spielberg is that I could see him usingthe same script as Bay is using. Spielberg is always looking for that "human" side of a story, and I think the idea of "a boy and his car" would appeal to him. <p> Jackson...well again, I could see him adding subplot after subplot and dragging out the story and Raimi would make it about how Optimus suffers in his daily routine :P <p> I could see Cameron doing it though. He can certainly handle sci-fi, though again, he might feel the need to stretch the film out and fill it with unneeded material.

  • March 28, 2007, 11:15 p.m. CST

    Grr

    by Vadakin

    Note to self...don't post things at 5 in the morning without checking for spelling errors, especially with no edit button.

  • March 28, 2007, 11:17 p.m. CST

    Who would be the best Director

    by Phategod2

    Honestly its hard to say because I want someone who cares as much about the source as I and Superninja do. That means the person would have to be in there late 20's to mid 30's and there are not alot of talented Directors that young If there are please tell me. the only anme that springs to my mind is Seth Green. Thats why I really think it's too soon for this franchise, and Too soon for this trend.

  • March 28, 2007, 11:19 p.m. CST

    You are so in love with The Island that you

    by superninja

    are giving Bay too much leeway, Ryan. Just my opinion. Most of his films are simply not that good, they are like Corman films but PG-13 version with good effects.

  • March 28, 2007, 11:22 p.m. CST

    Someone hit the nail on the head, Bay movies are cliche

    by S-Mart shopper

    action flicks. And his camera work is nothing more than a hodgepodge of gimmicks. Now I know these days most people, like Ryan30(possible a Bay plant, employee, relative or coke mule), don't like to have their higher brain functions stimulated when viewing movies, and that is all well and good but, for fucks sake Bay is not a great director. It's painfully obvious that his movies are made for those with A.D.D. What pisses me and probably others off is that some of these "stylized" turds make lots of money and that sets a bad example to other studios and filmakers who in turn put out sensless insulting crap.<p>I would've like to see Alex Proyas or even the Hughes brothers take a shot at TF, TINO!

  • March 28, 2007, 11:30 p.m. CST

    Being totally self-absorbed for a moment...

    by Vadakin

    I would love to take a shot at it...not directing, but writing the script (my general ideas are in the talkback somewhere for those who want to check it out) but as for directing...someone with the visual flair and technical knowledge of Lucas and the sci-fi chops of Cameron with a little Spielberg sprinkled on top for good measure. <p> I'd love to see TaranTINO's (hehe TINO :P )take on it...sure he's totally wrong for Transformers but it would be an interesting experience...I can just imagine Ironhide and Optimus talking about what they call a quarter pounder with cheese on Cybertron :D

  • March 28, 2007, 11:30 p.m. CST

    All it needs is someone who loves mythology.

    by superninja

    Who respects mythology and knows how it works and can be willing to learn the myth and then adapt it and improve it. Not make their own crap up that has nothing to do with the myth. Same with superhero films. <p>Transformers is very Western in its themes and concerned with Modern ideas of power. <p>Most filmmakers, though, keep trying to make post-modern versions of the characters.</p> You can't really divorce them successfully from the time in which they were created, even though you do not have to be specific to the art and culture of that period, you DO the ideas. Because they revolve around those ideas. </p>

  • March 28, 2007, 11:32 p.m. CST

    It's why PoMo Superman sucked so badly.

    by superninja

    Everyone knows Superman represents ideals from another time, whether he is located in this time or in a period film. Transformers was set in the Cold War.

  • March 28, 2007, 11:32 p.m. CST

    Superninja

    by Ryan30

    I became a Bay fan when I first saw Bad Boys and five minutes in I said to myself "who is this director?" The Rock is my favourite Bay movie, I was a huge fan long before The Island. Mr. Shopper, you are a jackass! Somebody who likes Michael Bay, must be his relative nevermind all the points I made in defense of my beliefs. Do you even think before you write something so stupid? I will not waste my time on you any longer. Messi, you say the last Babel shot was Oscar worthy because it looked cool, and yet that is the very reason I get crap for being such a huge fan of Bay. Is that not incredibly hypocritical?

  • March 28, 2007, 11:38 p.m. CST

    So anyway, it would need to be a director with

    by superninja

    a distinctly Western sensibility. Someone like McTiernan, Speilberg back in the day. I don't know IF there is a guy like that anymore. (I think also the LOTR movies failed in that regard, although I am in the minority. There was something "off" about them.)

  • March 28, 2007, 11:40 p.m. CST

    Great, you're doing me a favor. Because

    by superninja

    all you're saying is that The Island is great and Michael Bay can shoot action, and I'm like, one of two people who actually agrees with you! LOL.

  • March 28, 2007, 11:43 p.m. CST

    Ryan30

    by Vadakin

    As I've mentioned before, Bay tends to fill his movies with unneccessary subplots and filler material but in terms of his directing style, to me at least, one of the biggest problems is his use of the "slo-mo money shot". <p> Bay is always looking for a stylised look, that has ultimately become predictable and a cliche unto itself. I enjoy Bay's movies...I liked the first Bad Boys (thought the second was rubbish though) I liked Armaggeddon (more for Buschemi than anything) and I even thought The Island was ok (up until the freeway chase scene anyway). yes, he likes to use real props and shoot stunts for real, rather than relying on cgi and I commend him for that, but it's all too stylised and predictable. <p> Sometimes, I just want to have a camera in a fixed position for a wide shot for a scene, without all the cuts and slo-mo's.

  • March 28, 2007, 11:43 p.m. CST

    John Woo back in his Hard Boiled and The Killer days

    by S-Mart shopper

    could've been interesting but I don't think he has the eye for TF sfx.

  • March 28, 2007, 11:44 p.m. CST

    Phate, there are no guys like this. They are all

    by superninja

    PoMo whiney guys that want to deconstruct everything. I take it back, that Zack Snyder is crazy, but I'm not convinced he gets what the story is really about. Or at least the story OVER the visuals. I also like Curaon probably the best, but he is too lyrical.

  • March 28, 2007, 11:52 p.m. CST

    As for Transformers...

    by Vadakin

    I don't even think Bay's directing style is the biggest problem with Transformers...I could sit through it. <p> For me, it's all about the script. I don't know how much input Bay had, but there are major problems with the script. All the action in the world won't make up for poor dialogue, terrible subplots and characters and a reduction of the stars (the TFs) to supporting roles. <p> Makes me wish I'd finished my treatment and submitted a script...and I'm not a big TF fan, but even I could see that the focus should be on the Autobots and Decepticons...they are the reason people will go to see the film (followed by Megan Fox obviously). The film should be about them, not "a boy's first car".

  • March 28, 2007, 11:55 p.m. CST

    Roland Emmerich?

    by Vadakin

    Yeah, I probably murdered the spelling, but inany case you know who I mean...I could see him directing this type of film. Would he do a good job? I don't know but it's definitely his type of thing.

  • March 28, 2007, 11:58 p.m. CST

    Good ole Frank Miller say's

    by Phategod2

    That the Director, has all the Power. He said that the Director destoyed his Robocop II script.

  • March 28, 2007, 11:59 p.m. CST

    Hayao Miyazaki, there's a director for ya

    by S-Mart shopper

    although he does animation it would be an interesting choice.

  • March 28, 2007, 11:59 p.m. CST

    It's definitely the script for me as well, Vadakin.

    by superninja

    Most of us were not really upset about the film until we read the draft script and then weigh that with the redesigns and the set reports, etc. At one point in fact I think most of us were cautiously optimistic about Bay being the director.

  • March 29, 2007, 12:02 a.m. CST

    No, haha.. If it was Miyazaki it would be about

    by superninja

    environmental issues and the Spark Spirit and not about war and western governance.

  • March 29, 2007, 12:06 a.m. CST

    I doubt that, Phate. Frank Miller is good at

    by superninja

    writing one thing, and that is ugly.

  • March 29, 2007, 12:10 a.m. CST

    ryan30: my actual opinion of Bay, if you were curious

    by drave117

    I'm not a Bay-hater by any means. I have seen The Rock, The Island, and Armageddon, and I enjoyed those to a certain degree. My feeling about Bay is that he does one thing really well; loud, stupid, action movies. He is by no means the best at even that, but he does do it well. Unfortunately, I would like something more than that one thing from a Transformers movie. My earlier posts were more about why it's okay for us Transformers geeks to desire more than loud, stupid, and action. A lot of people point to The Island as proof that Bay is more than a one trick pony. I feel the way about The Island the way a mom feels about the breakfast that her pre-teen kids cooked for her on Mother's Day. A cute effort, much more interesting and enjoyable when compared with their standard fighting and breaking stuff, but nowhere near a satisfying meal. I guess whether or not Bay is the right man to direct Transformers depends purely on what you demand out of a Transformers movie. It sounds like you are going to get exactly what you are looking for. (Rip-roaring mayhem, meticulously filmed. Not much else.) I, and a lot of people reading this, are not going to get what we are looking for. (A story with emotional resonance, possibly even with some allegory thrown in, featuring the archetypal characters we know and love.) As for my dream director for Transformers? That's a tough one. Honestly, I think I would choose J.J. Abrams. Second choice? Brad Bird. Third choice? Sam Raimi, but only if he is already a fan of the Transformers. If he isn't, then George Lucas from someone else's script, and with somebody else ghost-directing all the human characters.

  • March 29, 2007, 12:12 a.m. CST

    I remember reading it...

    by Vadakin

    ...and thinking "damn, my version was much better", and I don't mean to seem arrogant, cause I'm not. I hate my own writing. But I just remember reading the draft and thinking it was going in totally the wrong direction. <p> I cringed at Bumblebees "dialogue" which if you've read the draft, you'll know is a ridiculous gimmick that's just trying to force some humour into it. <p> I rolled my eyes at the romance plot that was something out of a teen romantic comedy. <p> When I first started writing my outline, I had to do some research because I didn't know much about Transformers and while I was more than willing to make a few minor changes, overall the story was already there. There was no real need to deviate from it too much. The characters were there. It was obvious to me that Optimus and Megatron should be the main characters...the Transformers are what the story should focus on. <p> I wrote humans into the story because I understand the need to have people the audience can relate to, but they were strictly supporting characters. <p> But when I read the draft, I was utterly amazed at how...well wrong it was. Transformers seemed harder to get wrong than to get right, but that script anaged to achieve the impossible. It turned what could have been a fantasy/sci-fi epic into a chick flick with robots.

  • March 29, 2007, 12:13 a.m. CST

    Ryan30

    by Neo Zeed

    Yeah I see your points and I'm glad you used actual debate when making them. Real classy. I thought the Rock was excellent, and I enjoy Bad Boys as a throwback to the violent action shit of the 80's, and even thought Armaggeddon was entertaining (yeah i said it). However, I thought the Island should have been rated R (at least for the violence to be more effective), but the jokes didn't seem to jibe with serious subject matter. And the two main characters with the childlike stuff was kinda annoying and hard to relate/root for..It was merely OK. All that said Bay is the right guy for this job. I like the fact that he goes for a photorealistic look with his EFX. Everyone these days goes nuts for WETA or POTC when all I see is CGI sticking out like a sore thumb. At least Bay will shade it up, use a non fakey angles, or use expensive props. For the other posters...I understand Tim Story was relatively faithful to FF, but that movie was really mediocre overall (from story, to EFX, to action.) And I'm tired of mediocre action stuff (From the guy who directed TAXI? Yikes). And those SW prequels were really horrific. From the acting, to the meandering storyline, and to the all CGI all the time approach. Wanna talk about animal crackers? That 3rd rate Dawson's Creek stuff with Anakin and Portman gave me diabetes. I fear George Lucas's input on Indy 4. Seriously.

  • March 29, 2007, 12:18 a.m. CST

    Yeah, there was no excuse for the prequels.

    by superninja

    So bad you almost have to wonder if Lucas just hates SW and hates its fans. Like he was going to kill his own monster he created.

  • March 29, 2007, 12:20 a.m. CST

    Stop complaining about inaccuracies...

    by pelos_locos

    I am Transformers fan. I still collect toys whenever I can (and yes, I am married and have sex and I am a dad and SLAYER kicks any new metal band in the nuts). Anyways, I am just really excited about a transformers movie. I mind that they change many of the designs and I still don't like megatron, but FUCK it, I am getting a transformers movie.<p> Now, all those TBs that can't stop complaining about how inaccurate the movie is, remember that the original transformers were not even an original idea. Many of the designs were taken from different series of toys from different companies. Just take a look at jetfire (or skyfire, if you don't remember him, can't call yourself a fan). A total rip off of robotech/macross.<p> 300, excellent movie. Pure fun, but full of inaccuracies. I did not read a lot of complains about that.<p> Superman, iconic. Do you want original? He did not fly, he jumped really high.<p> Spider-man? Organic web shooters and power rangers. Enough said.<p> Should I go on or do you get my point?<p> Some movies are meant to be fun and not necessarily accurate.

  • March 29, 2007, 12:21 a.m. CST

    Neo Zeed

    by Vadakin

    I'm tempted to go all Sith Lord and attack you with hate and anger for your prequel comments...luckily for you, I'm in Jedi mode today :P I will normally defend those movies until I draw my last breath but it's 6:20 in the morning here, so I just couldn't be bothered haha. Seriously though, I liked them, you didn't...doesn't bother me...so lets focus on finding and destroying the guy who wrote the Transformers script instead :D

  • March 29, 2007, 12:26 a.m. CST

    pelos

    by Vadakin

    I thought 300 was really disappointing actually. Terrible dialogue, cartoon violence, mediocre visuals (more 2D than 3D), not to mention the historical inaccuracies. <p> But I understand what you mean...I'm not one of those guys who complains about every little detail being different from the source material...at the end of the day, all I want is a good movie. Unfortunately, the script for Transformers needs a complete rewrite and a new approach, which can't happen now so I don't expect to see a good movie.

  • March 29, 2007, 12:28 a.m. CST

    superninja

    by Vadakin

    You're just trying to pick a fight now aren't you :P

  • March 29, 2007, 12:32 a.m. CST

    Sorry, but I hated the prequels with a passion.

    by superninja

    I don't think the Emperor went near far enough. However, Ewan as Obi-Wan was so great, what a waste.

  • March 29, 2007, 12:33 a.m. CST

    Yay! Another complainer about complainers!

    by superninja

    We always welcome more constructive criticism of our criticism.

  • March 29, 2007, 12:34 a.m. CST

    The writers said rewrites were taking place

    by S-Mart shopper

    up to the very last minute. So, I'm sure the end product will be much better than the scripts people have gotten their hands on...right:(

  • March 29, 2007, 12:36 a.m. CST

    Yeah, like this winner:

    by superninja

    "My bad."

  • March 29, 2007, 12:39 a.m. CST

    Clive Barker's Transformers...that would be tits!

    by S-Mart shopper

  • March 29, 2007, 12:41 a.m. CST

    One good thing

    by Ryan30

    that came out of my posting is that we are having some actual conversations that make sense, unlike 50% of the comments that were posted here yesterday. It's funny that drave chose Abrams as his director. Like I said earlier, I became a Bay fan within 5 minutes of watching Bad Boys, and I can spot the Michael Bay style right away. Mission Impossible 3 is the closest movie I have seen that looks like a Bay film. I would swear that action scene on the bridge was directed by Bay if I didn't know better. Not surprisingly, MI3 was my favourite movie of 2006. Why, because it had the emotional music and crazy spectacle action scenes that I enjoy so much. Maybe, my problem is that I have to be smart all the time at work and have completed so much school, but I love spectacle movies as long as they don't insult me. I felt like someone actually slapped me in the face while watching Sky Captain. I can enjoy thought provoking movies and drama as well, loved The Prestige, Shawshank, Green Mile, Unbreakable, and several more. I just think people that don't appreciate the loud, sylized Bay movies, should stay away instead of bitching about his lack of talent. There are hundreds of movies that are complete pieces of crap that deserve hate like Lady In The Water, that Bond movie with Halle Berry, any Rob Cohen, Uwe Boll, Eli Roth movie. It also seems like Bay can't win. He gets crap for romance scenes and then he gets crap for Bad Boys 2, which is nothing more than a total guy movie. I'm also confused when people say the Transformers was born on character development. I don't remember the cartoon, but the comics were garbage, and I like most comics. Every issue introduced at least three new characters. How many of those toys did they make? And as bad ass as Prime is supposed to be, he seeme to get destroyed every 20 issues in the Marvel book, not to mention the movie. If this movie has Prime kick everybody's ass and avoids him geting blown up, I think it is already an improvement on the cherished 1984 Transformers cannon.

  • March 29, 2007, 12:42 a.m. CST

    Far enough?

    by Vadakin

    Not sure what you mean about the Emperor, I thought is evolution throughout the trilogy was one of the best things about the prequels, though if you mean "Sith" specifically, perhaps he could have been a little more menacing and a little less "slimey". But the way he orchestrated everything was pure genius. <p> Anyways back on topic...Bay admitted that the script beats were the same as in the draft, he was just giving more dialogue to the Transformers and extending the action a bit. The fundamental problems of the draft script are still there.

  • March 29, 2007, 12:48 a.m. CST

    Abrams?

    by Vadakin

    Maybe I'm alone here, but I think he's severely overrated. M:I-3 was just an episode of Alias with the names changed...oh and if Sydney had a sex change and shrunk a couple of feet. <p> I'm not too enthusiastic about him doing Trek either...you just know it's going to be one giant flashback...see Abrams is the king of the flashback. From Mission Impossible to Lost to his Superman script...he just can't seem to tell a story without flashbacks. <p> Personally I think he should stick to TV, go back to Lost and start answering some questions before people start watching something else.

  • March 29, 2007, 1:03 a.m. CST

    They already have

    by Phategod1

    See Heroes. I keep watching Lost I think a show that was so great hopefully it can jump back over the shark. I liked MI:III but I Watched the last season Of alias The show was lost on me and I dont see a reason for a star trek Prequel.

  • March 29, 2007, 1:07 a.m. CST

    Abrams vs Bay

    by drave117

    It's funny that you mention that, Ryan30, because almost the first thing I thought while watching MI3 was "Wow, this is like a grown-up Michael Bay movie!" The thing that made MI3 one of my favorite action flicks of the decade to date is that it actually HAD all of the things that I always complain are missing from Hollywood action summer blockbuster events. It had fully fleshed out characters, a script that was both snappy and intelligent (as opposed to just snappy), and just as much attention was paid to what was going on during the quiet moments as during the loud. No, an action movie doesn't HAVE to make you think, but there is no reason it can't! And given the choice between the director who can blow my mind visually and the director who can blow my mind mentally, I will always go with the latter. Anyway, I don't mean to sound like I am personally attacking your favorite director. Like I said, he is good at what he does, but what he does is not what I look for in a summer blockbuster. I will sometimes see his movies, and I will usually be entertained, but I will not get excited about what he does.

  • March 29, 2007, 1:14 a.m. CST

    Vadakin

    by Neo Zeed

    I haven't read the script, because I wanna go in fresh. I'll take it on the studio's word that there were rewrites....for now. Although I am suspicious of these screenwriters. These guys use to work on Alias, a show which I found totallly incomphrehensible. Every moment on that show was somebody's betrayed by an agent, who's an evil twin, brother, insert dense spy jargon....All without a moments rest or interesting characters. In MI:3 the characterizations were VERY minimal as well as in The Island. I didn't see Zorro 2 but I haven't heard great things. Bay's other movies run into cliche' but within cliche' you do feel a sense of character, development and completion (even in a superfcial way). You get to know their personalities, their quirks before and during the action. (through what people would call "forced romatic situations" or "backstory" or just plain ol conversation) With these guys I get the sense that they prefer minimal characterization and complicated plot machinations(Alias)or exhausting action (MI:3) as a substitute. And when I say minimal I mean minimal as in "Hi I'm Tom Cruise and I'm having a party with my cute fiance' and here comes the ACTION!" I dunno. I still need to know my characters, see thier quirks, maybe a emotional issue that gets resvolved. I dunno. I'm an old fart like that. Hope that was enough bashing for you Vadakin :) Take care.

  • March 29, 2007, 1:17 a.m. CST

    Starwars, the final word

    by pjdon

    The problem with the two trilogies is that they are two different types of film. The originals where adventure movies, they where like a western or Sinbad. A hero we could relate to (Luke) who we all wanted to be and a wisecrackin hero (Han) who we all wanted to be when we where older. You could have taken them movies and placed them in any setting or period because they where about a group of friends on an adventure. <p> The prequels however where of a diferent genre and structure. They span decades and have no real central group of characters. Not a single character is relateable to and there is no tension because they are all Jedi masters. <p> People say they failed because of too many effects or bad acting but the originals had these factors. What was missing from the prequels was adventure and a group of characters who where never meant to be heros overcoming all odds. <p> The best example is the romance. In the original Han and Leia bickered and faught and eventually fell in love, and we all believed it. In the prequels Anakin and wots her face just fell in love in a two minute scene, and then got married 5 mins later. I never felt any chemistry, they never felt like real characters. <p> I still want to be Han Solo. There is no one I want to be in the prequels.

  • March 29, 2007, 1:24 a.m. CST

    As for MI:III

    by pjdon

    What really matters in an action film is whether the action has tension. You can have a film like the Matrix Reloaded with the biggest best looking car chase ever but not a bit of tension. Your just watching, going "oh that looked cool". <p> In MI:III I found myself on the edge of my seat, I was involved in the action, knowing what Tom was running to/from in every moment. That is how action films should be, tense. <p> The whole of Speilbergs Duel was set in a car with no effects what so ever but the tension was incredible. <p> I personally can't wait for the new Trek film and I hate Star Trek.

  • March 29, 2007, 1:42 a.m. CST

    Vadakin, movies can have a crappy script but be fun

    by pelos_locos

    at the same time. Smart, fun movies can go together and I always appreciate them. However, some movies that have claimed to be smart and fun, I haven't found them so. For instance, the 40 year old virgin was well received as a smart and very funny comedy. When I watched it, I was falling asleep. Like ryan30 mentions, is not because I am or not smart enough (I can find the square root of 4 without a calculator) it just was not fun for me. On the other hand, x3 was not that well written or smart, but I had so much fun watching it.<p> At the end, though, it just seems to be a matter of taste. Do I enjoy smart and fun? Of course. If I had to choose, I'd go with fun, which is the only thing I hope this movie is. Besides, every other "summer blockbuster" this summer is a sequel. Transformers is the only new thing of the bunch.<p> On another note, have you people noticed that Transformer message boards are some of the longest in this site? You nerds.

  • March 29, 2007, 1:47 a.m. CST

    Neo Zeed

    by drave117

    Wow, I couldn't disagree more with you about the character development in MI3. I think it was economical, but superb. Each time a character appeared, I felt like I had a good handle on who that character was by the end of that first scene, and I felt like I understood every character even better by the end of the movie. In my mind, Michael Bay's style of character development is like reading someone's profile on a dating site, and J.J. Abrams' is like reading their blog. Oh, and a big fat WORD to pjdon for comments on tension. MI3 was the movie that reminded me that the phrase "edge of your seat thrills" actually used to MEAN something. And yes, MI3 did have me on the edge of my seat.

  • March 29, 2007, 2:02 a.m. CST

    drave117

    by Neo Zeed

    Well I guess the economical is the most I should expect from a sequel in which the first two movies did even less. In hindsight it was the most character based MI to date.

  • March 29, 2007, 2:57 a.m. CST

    Transformers will "open" to $100m.

    by The Advance Guard

    Mark my words.

  • March 29, 2007, 3:05 a.m. CST

    Setting the record straight.

    by The Advance Guard

    Let it be known: I have always backed Transformers to be THE film of this year. It will own 2007. But make no mistake: (until "Transformers") Michael Bay makes shit films. I hate his particular "MTV" filmic style: it makes the celluloid image look so contrived and superficial - above all cheesey. I only think Transformers will be good because he is in desperate need of a hit; and he is being carefully scrutinized by Spielberg and co. If Transformers flops (it won't!) Bay's career is over. A lot is riding on this film. So from this outset; it is prudent to judge Transformers as a safe bet is that respect.

  • March 29, 2007, 3:24 a.m. CST

    optimistic of you

    by drave117

    Personally, I say PotC3 or Spidey 3 is going to take the box office gross title this summer, but we'll see. HP:OotP is the dark horse, I suppose.

  • March 29, 2007, 3:37 a.m. CST

    Transformers as a safe bet in that respect.

    by The Advance Guard

    I think people keep attributing Transformers to Michael Bay. GET-OUT OF THIS REASONING. Bay is small change in a bank of talent. Take into account ILM: THE best FX house going (anyone who says WETA is better is just a LOTR geek with no insight). Spielberg: need I say more. The production talent involved. Futhermore: MI:III was shit. The first was the best. J.J.A should stick to T.V.:Mirroring Bay's filmic (crap)style is a recipe for disaster in anyones portfolio. Let me postulate about the previous comments of Transformers being "distinctly western in it's themes...set in the coldwar" (Superninja 2007). What a load of pseuso-intellectual misguidedness. Transformers is NOT embodied by this intrinsic framework. It is about ROBOTS IN DISGUISE. War and Peace disguised in a science-fiction narrative. "When evil sets to upsurb all that is good, all that is decent, then through the need for survival, strength disguises goodness and changes forms" (Tolstoy 1890). But that is me going overboard.

  • March 29, 2007, 3:43 a.m. CST

    POTC3 will have the highest gross...but

    by The Advance Guard

    I agree POTC3 will have the number 1 boxoffice draw but Transformers will be the most kick-ass: so in that respect it will own this year. Spidey 3 looks rubbish, the effects don't convince: they are in the league of The Mummy Returns. It will underperform: mark my words. Transformers will be the surprise hit of the year: after POTC3 and Shrek 3.

  • March 29, 2007, 3:48 a.m. CST

    I dunno, man

    by drave117

    I have seen the trailer for Transformers a good eight to ten times in theaters in just the past month, and the reaction has NOT been positive. The most positive reaction was when the crowd was utterly silent. Most of the time, I hear laughter. A couple of times, I heard actual booing. If my experiences at the movies are anything to judge by, the general public is just not excited by this movie. But we shall see.

  • March 29, 2007, 7:32 a.m. CST

    You are wrong.

    by The Advance Guard

    Believe me: there is a buzz. It will be huge.

  • March 29, 2007, 7:46 a.m. CST

    messi

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Isis = brilliance

  • March 29, 2007, 8:13 a.m. CST

    Superninja

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Love everything you type but I must correct you. Phate was right about the Robocop II debacle. Miller's script (which has since been faithfully adapted via Avatar) was ridiculously different. Night and day. I know you don't like Miller (he's not for everyone), but Phate was right. I would love to see the reverse with TINO i.e. a crappy script that becomes palateable. Too late for that no matter how they scramble to place band aids on a gaping wound. And I will never know since I refuse to watch this on mere principle alone. My loss I suppose. I am too biased I suppose, but I still demand a good story. These TF TBs are so long due mainly to the fact that there are a lot of people who are passionate about the source material and the wrong direction this movie is going. Forget Bay and the designs for a moment and look at what the storyline is. Just as shitty as the Marvel series crap from the eighties only worse since it is not TF centric. Furman or Sarracini could have crapped/crafted a better script. Ryan30, I acknowledge your points and you present them well. I guess I am a hypocrite since I enjoyed MI:III and have no desire to see TINO. I am clearly not cut out for TB debate. end

  • March 29, 2007, 8:54 a.m. CST

    Reason for posting

    by Ryan30

    I finally decided to defend Bay, because I was sick of the negativity. The three things I indisputably love in the entertainment world, is Star Wars, Michael Bay movies, and Lost. Stephen King novels are a close fourth, but he has disappointed me on a few rare occasions. Anyways, the three things I like the most are the three things that seem to be bitched about the most on this site. But then again, every single talkback on here is filled with bitching. 24, used to be my second favourite show behind Lost before it went straight off the cliff this year. However, I don't go to a 24 talkback and call all the fans idiots. If someone can present a logical argument for liking something, than it's all good. The one thing I know is movies, and I enjoy talking about any movie I have seen. I just don't see the point of wasting precious time to seek out a place to complain about a movie. If you want to get into debates of anger than we should talk about the downfall of etiquette in theatres. I used to go to the theatre ever week, but now I go maybe once a month because I have to yell at someone for talking at least 7 out of 10 times. Now that is a real reason to bitch. Also, with Stallone, Samuel Jackson, the writers of Lost and Michael Bay's comments, it has become obvious that these people actually read these comments. How can some of these people expect to be taken seriously with some of the brain dead things they write?

  • March 29, 2007, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Should be a huge summer no matter what.

    by ExcaliburFfolkes

    Four films - Transformers, POTC3, Shrek 3, and Spiderman 3 all have legitimate shots at breaking the $400 million domestic/$900 million worldwide level; plus Harry Potter 5 which whether it is good, bad, or ugly is a mortal lock for $275-300 million domestic and $850-$900 million worldwide. The numbers are mind-boggling. Those five films alone could end up doing $4.5 billion at the box office. 25 years from now when Harry's nephew is running AICN they will probably be running a retrospective celebrating 2007 as the best movie year of the millenium generation's lives.

  • March 29, 2007, 10:44 a.m. CST

    yeah baby 2007 great year for cool movies

    by flipster

    let's hope

  • March 29, 2007, 10:58 a.m. CST

    effects arguing is ridiculous

    by Lost Prophet

    as we all know that the flaws are in the writing not in the WETA/ILM/KFC/WTF produced effects. <p> maybe it is because i'm not technical, but I really struggle to give a shit when the argument gets to this stage

  • March 29, 2007, 11:20 a.m. CST

    not always

    by Lost Prophet

    sometimes stinking effects can really ruin a film.<p>In this case the effects are merely the Icing on a cake made of poo. The decorations are pretty, but the whole thing tastes nasty.

  • March 29, 2007, 11:22 a.m. CST

    Ha!

    by Lost Prophet

    well in that case- if there was any justice then he should have been handed a shelf load for every year he was robbed.

  • March 29, 2007, 11:48 a.m. CST

    Looks good...like a shotgun full of handjobs...

    by Lost Skeleton

    espeically Prime!

  • March 29, 2007, 12:45 p.m. CST

    This is what Tranformers should have looked like!!!:

    by JusticeSabre

    http://www.you tube.com/watch?v=ooma9dvfZwk (If you think I'm serious, kill yourself now.)

  • March 29, 2007, 1:10 p.m. CST

    Effects teams always deliver...

    by Vadakin

    Have you not seen Superman Returns? Now I liked the film, but some of the effects work on it, especially with cgi Supes shots, was horrible. As for WETA, I think they're still behind ILM, but that doesn't mean they are a bad effects house. If I had $200 Million to make my sci-fi epic, I'd go with ILM, but if they were unavailable for some reason, I'd have no problems going with WETA. <p> Sony Imageworks did Superman (and Spider-Man) and to be honest, I'd rather make a film out of clay than go to them for effects. <p> Regarding the script vs fun debate. If X3 proved one thing it's that you can't draw blood from a stone. In other words, making a good movie out of a terrible script is nigh on impossible..and if it is possible, I don't think Bay is capable of making it happen. <p> Let's just say the film is 2 hours and an hour of that is action...we'd still be left with an hour of terrible dialogue, cheesy subplots and eye-rolling cliches. <p> I can live with the designs. Megatron looks like a vagina with teeth as I've said before, and why Optimus has flames is beyond me. Isn't the whole idea of transforming into a truck supposed to be that he won't stand out? But anyways, the designs, while flawed, are something that I can get over. I'm even looking forward to the action scenes...but it's everything else that worries me.

  • March 29, 2007, 1:12 p.m. CST

    As I already said:

    by Lost Prophet

    The effects will probably be fine, regardless of who is producing them- they usually are in Bay films. It's the script that blows.

  • March 29, 2007, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Still think MI:III is a throwaway film. It looks

    by superninja

    pretty but in the end - who really cares about this guy?

  • March 29, 2007, 1:36 p.m. CST

    HeWhoCannotBeNamed, I think everyone who

    by superninja

    is defending the negativity is in agreement that the real issue is with the script. If the story was good, we'd be forgiving on the designs. But in fact, the designs reflect the approach to story so it's safe to heartily condemn both. Transformers sleeps with the fishes!

  • March 29, 2007, 1:38 p.m. CST

    There are parts of King Kong I really like. And

    by superninja

    there is no doubt that the animation is stellar - one of the reasons to watch the movie in that case because it's a perfect enhancement. I just think Jackson geeked out too much and failed the story. Watts was perfect but the rest of the cast was out of place.

  • March 29, 2007, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Oh I know...

    by Vadakin

    The script is utterly horrible. Why Latino Review gave it an A+ is beyond me. <p> I do find it interesting though that after AICN reviewed the X-Men script, they basically launched a campaign of hate towards it, yet with Transformers, which is available to read all over the web, they just seem to be ignoring the script and almost bending over backwards to try to convince us that the action will make up for the numerous flaws. <p> Guess it goes to show that AICN can be bought just as much as a corrupt politician. <p> How hard could it possibly be to focus on the the Transformers? I mean it is the name of the film...and while the cartoons may have been terribe at times, there was still a basic story and characterisations there to work from. I'm tempted to go back and finish my TF treatment and turn it into a full script, just to post it on every TF message board on the web and say "that's how you do a fucking Transformers" movie. <p> How have they managed to screw this up so badly? I really don't know because it seemed harder to fail than to succeed.

  • March 29, 2007, 1:43 p.m. CST

    You could do that, but pointless now

    by Lost Prophet

    too little too late, mate.<p>I think the reason that this is getting a pass from Harry as opposed to the slaughter X3 got is that purely and simply Harry doesn't give a red fuck about the subject matter- he just wants to see GIANT ROBOTS in live action. However, the Dark Phoenix storyline is something he cares deeply about and X3 did rape it. <p>I prefer X3 to SR (not saying a lor as they still rate as 2 of the worst films I have ever seen) as I don't give a fuck about Phoenix or any of the other characters. However, what I am extremely curious about is why Harry gave SR such a big pass considering that did far more damage to Superman than X3 did to Phoenix. If anyone can answer that I would be grateful.

  • March 29, 2007, 1:52 p.m. CST

    OK that was hyperbole.

    by Lost Prophet

    It was nowhere near as bad as SR. <p>I refused to watch Epic Movie. <p>I remember the whole Rothman saga, but even taking this into account- do you think that there would have been the same level of vitriol if they had just produced Harry's vision of The phoenix saga- I bet not. <p>Also, it still doesn't explain the get out of jail free card that SR got in comparison.

  • March 29, 2007, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Well I disagree about SR...

    by Vadakin

    I don't see how it damaged Superman. If anything it added another dimension to the character that you just won't see in the comics. The film could have used a bit more action but other than that, I don't have a problem with SR. <p> The ironic thing is, after all the talk about the budget being $300 million and $400 million etc, the reason SR didn't have more action was because Singer didn't have the money to do a huge setpiece he wanted to do during the earthquake scene. <p> SR was a transition movie from the Reeve films to the new direction Singer is going to take. But X3 was utterly pointless...I mean the cure doesn't work...so Rogue will get her powers back, Professor X's mind went into a body who is actually supposed to be his twin brother, so Patrick Stewart could still play him in X4 (confirmed by Ratner), we never actually saw Cyclops die so he can come back and Jean is the Phoenix...rising from the ashes so she can come back.

  • March 29, 2007, 1:54 p.m. CST

    The Dark Phoenix Storyline is a cosmic story.

    by superninja

    As an Earth-bound adaptation, I actually thought X3 was fairly successful. Knowing full well I'm in the minority here I liked X3 because it perfectly resolves Logan's story arc - he grows up - and the overall arc between Xavier/Magneto. Magneto gets what he deserves in the end. Xavier stays true to his ideals even unto death. Scott in the comic books was really a shell of a man once Jean was gone, it was tragic, but meaningful to me. Jean was also haunted and destroyed after Dark Phoenix, she was never really herself again. I thought it was very tragic and truthful and uplifting all at the same time - I actually love the movie for those reasons. Now, everything else in the story could've been much better. I hate Berry's Storm and Angel was stupid as were the Mutant Underground. But the core of the story I think is still fantastic. And Grammar's Beast was extremely likeable.

  • March 29, 2007, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Vadakin - is that true??

    by just pillow talk

    Latino review gave it an A+???!!??<p>Regardless of how you feel the look of the transformers, raping childhood, love Bay, etc...that script is not good.<p>Lost Prophet, I'm surprised you feel that way with X3. While definitely not a good movie, there are plenty of other movies that were much worse than that one. To each their own I guess...

  • March 29, 2007, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Because SR destroyed Superman. By making

    by superninja

    him about something he's never about. That is not fleshing out the character, that is deconstructing him and ruining him. My, how I hate that film. Mostly for what it does to the character, but doubly so for the offense of being unforgiveably BORING. The only good moment in that film is the plane rescue and it's all into the terlet from there.

  • March 29, 2007, 1:56 p.m. CST

    never mind Prophet...

    by just pillow talk

    it's all about the timing of posts..

  • March 29, 2007, 1:57 p.m. CST

    don't give me that

    by Lost Prophet

    SR violently defiled the character- seriously. The whole premise of Superman buggering off to the outer reaches of the universe was an utter anathema to the character. And don't get me on the lame stalking. <p>Also, in no sense was it a transition movie. Half the problem with it was that it was a lame rehash of the Donner films- if anything it is more disposable than X3.<p>Singer blamed budgetary constraints for the lack of action. BOLLOCKS, I call. Considering the fool squandered some obscene amount of money on a special effect (What was it- I forget $20m?)that is fucking rich.

  • March 29, 2007, 2:02 p.m. CST

    What does it do to the character?

    by Vadakin

    Is it because Superman isn't happy all the time that you don't like it? Really I don't get it. What did Singer do that was so terrible? The Superman from SR is pretty much the same guy from the Reeve films, so if anything, you could say that Donner ruined Superman. <p> Thee's a scene on the seaplane where Superman decides to go back to New Krypton even though he knows it could kill him...isn't that Superman? Perhaps the film focussed too much on his so-called "divinity" as Superman, but it also showed his humanity, something that tends to get overlooked a lot.

  • March 29, 2007, 2:02 p.m. CST

    POTC 3 will under perform, spidey 3 will own and so wil

    by wcoop893

    l shrek 3. transformers, i really think wll be a surprise hit maybe along the lines of 300. people didnt expect 300 to be as big as it was, i did, but not most people. really though, only time will tell with the transformers because the marketing hasnt started at all yet, but i really do think that it is getting great feedback from the general public. but POTC 3 will do much worse than 2 i beleive. people didnt like the 2nd nearly as much

  • March 29, 2007, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Superninja explains it in a far more coherent

    by Lost Prophet

    way than I can (am still at work and losing will to type). <p>However, I just would like a superhero film without tortured angst in it. It seems like they all have it at the moment. <p>coop- for the last time, box-office and hype do not a good film make- the tastes of the generally stupid public are miles removed from any criteria. Unfortunately, you are probably right and there are enough people out there to support this piece of shit regardless to any slagging given on-line or by professional critics. (Empire will still give it 5* though)

  • March 29, 2007, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Singer broke the myth by making Superman

    by superninja

    self-centered. Leaving Earth and a pregnant Lois whom he'd had a sexual relationship with (unless there are supercondoms, not cool). (First of all, it's even debatable if Superman would've had premarital sex with Lois given the period in which he was created and those values, but I won't harp on that.) There is no reason for Superman to believe the reminants of Krypton were worth leaving Earth for given his relationship with Lois. That is simply not the character. It was just a silly device to make him go away for awhile to set up their boring premise. When he returns, he attempts to reinsert himself selfishly (again) into Lois's life although she has clearly moved on. He refuses to admit paternity for the child (another selfish move). Richard is actually more like Superman than Superman in that movie. I mean, I could just go on. The focus with Jor-El instead of his Earthly parents which makes sense only if Superman is a selfish twit. The Messiah comparisons which are absurd. Superman was never so Me-centered.

  • March 29, 2007, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Lost Prophet, I am ready for that kind of movie

    by superninja

    as well. I believe that is what the audience wanted from a Superman movie - to be uplifted.

  • March 29, 2007, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Ok then, let me deal with that...

    by Vadakin

    1. Superman leaves for Krypton...Superman doesn't belong to the world. He has as much right to stop doing what he does as a doctor or policeman when they retire. If you were Superman, are you really saying that if there was a chance that your home, your family still existed...even if it was just a slim chance, you wouldn't want to find out for sure? How many adopted children go in search of their birth parents? I'm sorry, but Superman had every right to leave. <p> 2. The stalking...yeah, one scene where he goes to Lois' house to see what her life is like...when she says she didn't love him, what does Superman do? He flies off and gets on with his job. <p> 3. The Donner film...well the film is set in the same universe as the Donner film. Perhaps the film went a little overboard with the homages, but it also established that there was a new direction for Superman. <p> 4. The action...I do think there should have been more and I do think the Return to Krypton sequence should have been in the film. But scenes get cut all the time. It was audience reaction that made Singer cut it, when he shot it, he had every intention of using it (Extened Edition next year). SR had about as much action as S:TM and Spider-Man and I agree it needed more. In fact Singer was planning on building a scale model of Metropolis for the earthquake sequence. There would have been toppling buildings, giant tsunamis...WB wouldn't give him the exta money to do it though.

  • March 29, 2007, 2:19 p.m. CST

    I don't blame warner for not stumping up

    by Lost Prophet

    given the amount he had pissed away. <p> The question about the return to Krypton- well you are bang on. I would go. However, Superman is not human and is motivated by altruism. I, on the other hand would undoubtedly use my powers to steal stuff. <p>Stalking: Once was enough. Pitching up at the end to give the son he wanted fuck all to do with a kryptonian pep talk was the height of twatty selfish behaviour as well.<p>I honestly fail to see this as a new direction, seriously- I don't get how you can say that. <p>Messi, I thought it was memorable, but that is because I viscerally hated it- I remember the bad as well as, if not better than, the good.

  • March 29, 2007, 2:24 p.m. CST

    supes also used his x-ray vision and super hearing

    by just pillow talk

    to 'spy' on Lois and cyclops.

  • March 29, 2007, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Superninja...

    by Vadakin

    Refusing to admit that he was Jason's father? Did you not see the last part of the film? And before that, as far as he knew, Jason was Richards son. I've alrady talked about Superman leaving for Krypton, the problem with Lois though is that we really don't know what the relationship was. <p> I could go on and on but I just can't be bothered...however, if I had a choice, I would have preferred to have done my own version of Superman which went right back to the origin. <p> In terms of action...it started out with a huge battle on Krypton between Zod's forces and the Science Council, the first Superman sequence would have been about 15-20 minutes long, with him stopping bank robberies, catching planes, stopping trains, etc. Then there would be a police chase scene, a fight with Metallo in the Fortress of Solitude and finally a huge (and I mean huge) fight between Supes and Zod in Metropolis and ultimately across the world. <p> I actually worked it out to be around 3 hours long with a budget of $300 Million at the very least...and yes there is a story to go with the action. <p> But back to SR...I liked it, I think it was a good film but I'll admit, it did have quite a few flaws.

  • March 29, 2007, 2:33 p.m. CST

    I think it was dreadful

    by Lost Prophet

    It did however, fit right into the piss poor outings we got last year. <p>On the plus point- The fuckers I have been waiting for have finally called so I can leave the office (8:30!). Thank fuck. See you tomorrow

  • March 29, 2007, 2:33 p.m. CST

    Superman isn't human...

    by Vadakin

    But he was raised as one. Just thought I'd point that out.

  • March 29, 2007, 2:41 p.m. CST

    I think Abrams version was worse.

    by Vadakin

    At least Singer stuck to the basic story of Superman. <p> The way I see it, regardless of whether you liked the film or not, Singer will be back for Man of Steel and I think it could be a great film...but if Singer screws it up, then I suspect that the Justice League film will be used to reboot the character. I think Routh is a good Superman though. <p> Singer has always maintained that he needed to transition from the Donner films while setting up his own world. With the sequel, it will be all Singer, so if he fails, there will be no one to blame but himself. I'm more than ready to give him a chance and see what he comes up with now that he's dealing fully with his own ideas...but if the film sucks...bye bye Singer. <p> Anyways, back on topic...show of hands...how many people here are looking forward to Transformers?

  • March 29, 2007, 3:23 p.m. CST

    Show of hands

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    *defiantly shoves hands in pockets and grumbles*

  • March 29, 2007, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Well, I'm in

    by subgeniuszero

    Just to see if the action rocks as much as I know Bay is capable of making it rock, and also (out of a weird blend of optimism and morbid curiosity) to see if the script sucks like everyone says it does.

  • March 29, 2007, 3:36 p.m. CST

    my hands are up

    by wcoop893

    seriously just dont kid yourselves. you are all being so lame and bitchy about all of this. i hear you all saying how action is not the most important thing in a transformers movie. i just laugh out loud at shit like that. i just cant wait for the next trailer so maybe, just maybe some of you will be forced to shut the hell up. eh, probably not gonna happen. youve all convinced yourselves you wont like it the second bay signed on. but i also know, that means you will all see it. you all saw his other "horrible" movies. so of course you will see this one.

  • March 29, 2007, 3:38 p.m. CST

    from what we've seen, the potential for this to kickass

    by wcoop893

    is just too great for you all to be hating so much. youve all grown up, now let your old toys and cartoon grow up too. damn.

  • March 29, 2007, 3:39 p.m. CST

    Count me in the affirmative.

    by ExcaliburFfolkes

    I love big event movies.

  • March 29, 2007, 3:56 p.m. CST

    I am damned sure not looking forward to TF...

    by nonsensical

    and Vadakin, Singer din't stick to the basic story of Superman that was the biggest thing he got wrong. Horribly wrong. <p> This film was wrong from the first five minutes in all the way to the end with a single exception. The plane sequence. <p> Here is what was wrong and what Singer screwed up in Superman Returns. <p> 1. Krypton destroyed in a supernova of the red sun. This would mean that there was NO Kryptonite as everything in that system would have been obliterated. So right off he (Donner too) ignored part of the origin that created the kryptonite key to the plot of the film. Krypton was destroyed from within, torn apart when it's uranium core became unstable and exploded. That reaction created the radioactive pieces of his home. If the sun had gone nova, there would not be any Kryptonite. So right there... WRONG! <p> 2. Superman leaves earth. Superman is smart enough to know that even if scientists had discovered Krypton in the night sky, unless it's less than 20 lightyears away the light from that planet would still be in the night sky for thousands of years. Jor-El told him the planet was destroyed, and he was placed in stasis to make the trip to Earth. In a ship large enough for a CHILD! There is no way he could fit into it nor would anyone on Earth be alive when he got back. Five years my ass. Superman would not leave earth unless he was forced to or a danger to the planet. He was raised human and the earth is his home. He didn't even remember Krypton so the argument that he left to see if his family was still there is crap, he has no attachment to them. <p> 3. The kid... and as a result Superman is now a Deadbeat Dad/Stalker. That's just great. I'm not sure where that fits in the "basic story" of Superman, but last I checked it didn't. Sure, they added a kid this past year in the comics, but he was not even remotely related to Kal-El. <p> 4. All Superman Returns was Singer giving Donner a "happy ending" if you know what I mean. There was nothing new in that film. No new direction, and even the actors weren't really allowed to play the parts themselves. They were playing the parts of the other actors playing the parts from the other films, and that sucks. <p> Essentially, Singer missed the ball on this. It wasn't a Superman film by any stretch of the imagination and if Warners really wanted to make a great new film that would have had audiences enjoying it as much as they did Batman Begins, then they should have made Superman: Birthright. That's an awesome story and a fantastic way to reintroduce the character. If you haven't read it... read it. It's very well done and it's what Superman needed to be a good film. Too bad no one saw that.

  • March 29, 2007, 4 p.m. CST

    So now we're down to polling the schoolyard?

    by superninja

    I thought we were supposed to be discussing the merits (or lack of) of the film? See, you guys are Decepticons after all, of the Starscream variety.

  • March 29, 2007, 4:01 p.m. CST

    show of hands

    by drave117

    I'm looking forward to waiting until several weeks after the release date, then catching a matinee of it. I'm looking forward to it in the same way that people look forward to whatever they are going to see when they slow down to look at a car accident.

  • March 29, 2007, 4:02 p.m. CST

    Seriously, don't kid yourself. This movie is

    by superninja

    going to be terrible. See how that works?

  • March 29, 2007, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Superman is not selfish. Bottom line, the end.

    by superninja

    So what if Superman is Kryptonian? He does not have a Kryptonian worldview, he has one based on his upbringing in rural Kansas. If you want a whole movie focusing on Kryptonian biology, I'm sure that's a REAL WINNER waiting to happen!

  • March 29, 2007, 4:12 p.m. CST

    Superman Returns is like if Superman was

    by superninja

    Tom Cruise and not Superman.

  • March 29, 2007, 4:30 p.m. CST

    In a way it was the fact that SR was avarage...

    by pjdon

    ...that pissed me off. At least if it was monumentally bad I could dissmiss it outright. Instead if was dull but with moments like the opening credits and plane sequence which fitted what I had been dreaming about sinse the film got announced over 10 years ago.<p> I waited over decade thinking about what Superman would bring for my generation and instead I got a basic remake of the first film. <p> I just wanted something new.<p> When my kids grow up and watch SR they are not going to say oh thats how Superman was represented in our era because it takes all its stylistic cues from the 70's version. <p> Also the original felt like an epic movie. In my mind it fits in well beside Spartacus and other epics. SR just felt like a normal action film just a bit longer. <p> Superman should be timeless. The original still tugs my heart strings and gets me excited.

  • March 29, 2007, 4:42 p.m. CST

    I think the Superman I want to see is...

    by pjdon

    Directed by Spielberg, staring Jim Cavizel as Supes, Jennifer Anniston as Lois (think about it, she can act, she looks the right age, she is pretty but has character and is one of the few female actresses that makes me laugh, I want banter between my Lois and Clark), Lex is up in the air but I always liked the idea of Johny Depp, Tom Cruise or Eric Bana, imagine any of them with a shaved head n being all dark and ruthless.<p>Go on hate me now

  • March 29, 2007, 4:53 p.m. CST

    I liked supes too

    by Phategod2

    I know I gave it a pass On lot of things But in all Honesty I enjoyed it alot more then The 1st Spiderman. The one thing I think People are buying into is that His Ideals are perfect and that he is perfect I think (and maybe I'm reading too heavily between the lines)is he wanted some aid some help the man has to police the entire planet by hisself. My only Problem with his character was the drinking of Budwieser. But I think we can all agree that SR was better then Batman & Robin.

  • March 29, 2007, 4:55 p.m. CST

    I just hope singer gives a

    by Phategod2

    Super battle, we've done Zod to death its time for a Darsied Trilogy. or Braniac But I really want to see Darksied.

  • March 29, 2007, 4:55 p.m. CST

    Superman

    by Thegipperlives

    I want an older, wiser Superman. That when you see him flying through the air or when he rears back for a punch you think 'HOLY SHIT!! THAT MAN CAN'T BE BEAT!!' Instead we got a throwback to the Reeve Superman.

  • March 29, 2007, 4:56 p.m. CST

    I'd love to see the Boy be turned into Kalibak

    by Phategod2

    and have supes have to destroy his own son. then go after Darksied.

  • March 29, 2007, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Superman For All Seasons.

    by superninja

    Except for the last 1/4 of that story, that is the Superman I want to see onscreen. It has folksy charm of Smallville but the futurism of Metropolis. Even the last 1/4 is not that bad, they just need a better supervillain lackey. I'd like to see Superman directed by the Coen Bros. with an unknown as Superman but he needs to be huge, like a farmboy.

  • March 29, 2007, 5:42 p.m. CST

    Dont get rid of Routh

    by Phategod2

    His clark I'm in the air about But I love his superman. I thought His lack of Buffness would bother me. but it didn't.

  • March 29, 2007, 5:42 p.m. CST

    These posters could be greatly improved by having...

    by thelivingdoll

    Michael Bay sitting on the floor playing with Transformers toys. The tagline could be changed to: "Aaarg, come here, you take that! Pow Pow, KA-BLAMO! ohhh, ya got me."

  • March 29, 2007, 5:46 p.m. CST

    I do like the idea of Lex Luthor turning Superman's

    by superninja

    own morals against him when he realizes that his enemy is actually a victim (Superman For All Seasons). Superman is not perfect - on one is. Superman is capable of selfish impulses, he just doesn't give in to them or is wracked with guilt when he does because he values morals more than his persona. In fact he tries to do too much which is hard to know when to call it quits and let people do for themselves. That's kind of Batman's arguement with him.

  • March 29, 2007, 5:50 p.m. CST

    I meant he values morals more than his

    by superninja

    personal happiness.

  • March 29, 2007, 5:50 p.m. CST

    DAMN YOU HUDSON'S BAY!!!

    by Johnno

    You charged me twice for those Twizzlers!

  • March 29, 2007, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Superman doesn't need a kid, he's not a legacy

    by superninja

    character. There is only one Superman!

  • March 29, 2007, 6:01 p.m. CST

    Get rid of Routh. He looks like a kid. Superman

    by superninja

    is supposed to look like a man.

  • March 29, 2007, 6:22 p.m. CST

    Routh

    by Thegipperlives

    I agree. Get rid of him. I said earlier that I wanted an older, wiser Superman. A big guy - like a farm boy look - would be amazing. I saw Routh and saw Reeve, not Superman.

  • March 29, 2007, 6:25 p.m. CST

    Sorry, but Routh was like a golem of Chris Reeve.

    by superninja

    Creepy and yet too immature to convincingly channel him! Left me with the icks. Singer did cast Hugh Jackman though, which propelled him to stardom, and for that I am in his debt!

  • March 29, 2007, 6:31 p.m. CST

    And he offset that with casting Halle Berry as Storm.

    by superninja

    Seriously, that really paid off, but in poo-poo. And no one likes to get paid in poo-poo!

  • March 29, 2007, 6:33 p.m. CST

    This

    by superninja

    http://www.cartoondepot.com/pages/img/wb/le/WB1153%20Classic%20Superman.jpg <p> Not this:</p> http://us.movies1.yimg.com/movies.yahoo.com/images/hv/photo/movie_pix/warner_brothers/superman_returns/brandon_routh/supes6.jpg

  • March 29, 2007, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Prime's eyes would look better if they overlaid

    by superninja

    a blue lens on them like the whites of the eyes.

  • March 29, 2007, 8:12 p.m. CST

    I don't think there is a good way

    by pjdon

    to do a transformers face. People complain about Megatron but he always had what is essentially a human face made out of metal. <p> The eyes and mouth changed shape with his expression. This works when drawn by hand but in reality they had no choice but to make them look less human. People have already complained that Primes mouth looked stupid when he talked. <p> How are you really supposed to show the same level of emotion as we got with the cartoons?

  • March 29, 2007, 8:13 p.m. CST

    With the Exception of Prime

    by Phategod2

    Every single TF is unrecognizable.

  • March 29, 2007, 8:17 p.m. CST

    My problem with Megatron

    by Phategod2

    Is that he looks Like a H Gieger Rip-off. If he looked more Human and had ILM fudge a few things I wouldn't care. but there are so many things wrong with the design its not funny, did any one remember the "jazz hands" pic.

  • March 29, 2007, 8:18 p.m. CST

    Here is the worst movie ever: the fog (remake)

    by pelos_locos

    Coincidentially, the star is smalville's superman, Tom Willjkjdlsdkflljksomething. My brother and I wanted to watch a movie and that was the only choice at the time. BIG MISTAKE. I wanted to live after 5 minutes, but we didn't have anywhere else to go so we stayed. Do you know that series on Discovery channel "A Haunting"? Well, any of these episodes is 100 times better than that stupid movie. Bad script, bad acting, no fun parts at all. This is the only movie that I regret paying for. I would not watch this movie even if it was the only thing playing on TV on the only channel on the only TV on a deserted island.<p>This movie is so bad that none of you have mentioned it so far. I believe most of you have opted to erase the memory of this piece of crap for ever. I apologize for bringing those memories bad.<p> What is this TB about?? I'm confused.

  • March 29, 2007, 8:22 p.m. CST

    It's like how people complain about any humor...

    by pjdon

    ...about how the voices sound stupid...<p>...the dog peeing on Optimus...etc<p> does anyone remember the romance sub plot between RC and Hot Rod in the animated moive? The musical moment on the trash plannet with all the robots dancing? Hot Rod fishing? <p> Ask yourself what it would look like if any of these elements where done in this movie... you would all laugh and say it was 'gay'. <p> You say you want more robots and less humans but that would mean having the robots supply all the humour and emotion. This was passible in a cartoon because while they where robots they where animated like humans, they didn't move like giant robots really would move. And like I said before most of them had human faces, can you really imagine what that would look like onscreen? <p> You all say you want it to be just like the cartoon but I bet you would laugh your asses of at it if it was.

  • March 29, 2007, 8:25 p.m. CST

    The reason Optimus

    by pjdon

    Is the only one who looks like the cartoon is because he was the only one in the cartoon with a robots face! <p> All the others had human faces!

  • March 29, 2007, 8:27 p.m. CST

    The romantic subplot lasted all of 2 1/2 lines

    by Phategod2

    After Seeing all my favorite Autobots die and Megatron getting a new body I needed a light moment.

  • March 29, 2007, 8:36 p.m. CST

    Phategod2, didn't you always get...

    by pjdon

    ...that funny feeling down in your stomache when they were close? RC was one of my favorite fantasys when i was young. Go robot love go!

  • March 29, 2007, 8:42 p.m. CST

    I always thought there was more tension between her and

    by Phategod2

    Springer My first reaction to Springer and AreCee was "who the hell are these guys" Kup, Hot rod and Blurr had already been released as toys but Springer and Arecee hadn't been released yet but She spent a aweful lot of time around Springer.

  • March 29, 2007, 8:45 p.m. CST

    What the fuck

    by pjdon

    did she even transform into? I dildo? She was the right shape. Why would a robot even need lady lumps? Just doesn't hold up. I always remember being dissapointed there was no RC toy.

  • March 29, 2007, 8:54 p.m. CST

    There was a statue

    by Phategod2

    And I don't if they've recently released a figure or not.

  • March 29, 2007, 8:54 p.m. CST

    I kinda wish

    by pjdon

    I could go on the Lost talkback but I still haven't seen a single episode of season 3. I'm waiting till it's out on DVD so i can watch it at my own liesure. They normally release the 1st half of the series after the middle episode (12?) has been shown.

  • March 29, 2007, 9:02 p.m. CST

    I think the show just jumped back over the

    by Phategod2

    Shark. They had there 1st real classic episode last night. Definate Twilight Zone Vibe. that had nothing to do with the Island.

  • March 29, 2007, 9:23 p.m. CST

    of course they look a lot different because they had

    by wcoop893

    mostly human like faces in the cartoon i beleive. how dumb would that be in real life, and why the hell would anyone buy into a alien robot with a human face? well the way you make them buy into them at all is slim them down, make them look cooler, more realistic, and more futuristic. with bad ass action. and alien looking. thats why the decepticons are so weird looking, because they need to sell the alien part of it

  • March 29, 2007, 9:44 p.m. CST

    human faces...

    by pelos_locos

    I had never thought about that. Optimus and soundwave and a few constructicons if I remember well.But if we start questioning the fantasy, then there is no reason why they should look humanoid even. Or transforms at all for that matter. If you are a super-giant metal being being immune to earth's weapons, why transform to hide at all?<p> Science fiction anybody?

  • March 29, 2007, 9:44 p.m. CST

    So baboon faces make a suitable replacement?

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    You got me there.

  • March 29, 2007, 9:54 p.m. CST

    you have to think about getting new fans and what that

    by wcoop893

    takes the filmakers to do. like me, im a new fan now. i would laugh at it if they looked anything like they did in the cartoons because that would be retarted. plain and simple. now they look pretty beleivable as far as cars into robots go. i do not like the idea of them speaking english, but if they look cool, i will overlook it. this movie isnt just for you guys, that would make it no money and therefore it would never get made. its too expensive.

  • March 29, 2007, 9:55 p.m. CST

    all other websites are 100% less bitchy then you guys

    by wcoop893

    i love this website and i love reading people crying about dumb shit, so thats not a problem for me. im just saying, no one else on the web is as bad as you guys. sure people are pissed, but not to the sad level that most talkbackers on this site take it to

  • March 29, 2007, 9:56 p.m. CST

    also, im expecting someone to call me a "plant" anytime

    by wcoop893

    now. its been awhile. haha makes me llaugh so hard.

  • March 29, 2007, 10:40 p.m. CST

    all othe websites

    by Phategod2

    are 64% less bitchy

  • March 29, 2007, 10:57 p.m. CST

    whoever wins.....we lose

    by slappy jones

    looks like alien vs predator.... and bender yes I see how it looks a bit like some of the king kong posters...i do not think this film stands a chance to make 900 million....sorry but this really does have limited appeal...it will be big and there will more than likely be a sequel but i do not see it being a worldbeater...and people keep bringing up speilberg as if the fact he is an EXECUTIVE PRODUCER means a fucking thing to the quality of the film..bay is directing that is enough badness to counter any speilberg influence...as for the effects debate....i don;t think any of them are better then the other..Ilm are good...weta are good....they are all good at what they do..weta have produced some ropey shit and so has ILM...some people love ILM and act as if they have never produced a bad effect.....

  • March 29, 2007, 11:29 p.m. CST

    pjdon, they're alien life forms. If they had malleable

    by superninja

    metal (like the Silver Surfer - eh?) it would be fine because they're not supposed to be realistic. Reverse engineering them just makes them look like humans made them.

  • March 29, 2007, 11:44 p.m. CST

    Hey, I liked the flirtation between Arcee and Hot Rod

    by superninja

    in the movie. Transformers need love, too. As a girl it always bugged me they had no female TFs and then suddenly a whole bunch were hanging out in their own feminist enclave in Cybertron. That was a cool episode when I was a kid. Of course they never get around to explaining this necessity when they don't reproduce, but robot chix are kewl!

  • March 29, 2007, 11:49 p.m. CST

    Superninja, your a girl!

    by pjdon

    Ewwwwwwwwwwww! Cooties!

  • March 29, 2007, 11:51 p.m. CST

    "thinking about thew new fans"?

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    So they want baboon faces, flames, crumpled up aluminum Megatron, and chickengorilla Starscream????<BR> I would be very interested to see the research study that led to these conclusions.

  • March 29, 2007, 11:52 p.m. CST

    Do you think

    by pjdon

    it would have looked good using malleable metal for their faces? I'm not sure. I just don't think robots with a lot of character, expression and humour would ever work that well so I'm fairly happy with what Bay has done with the look and putting the robots as secondary characters. <p> That way we get the humans giving us the emotion and the robots doing the action.

  • March 29, 2007, 11:52 p.m. CST

    And no one has ever said they want it to be just like

    by superninja

    the cartoon. We want it to be better than the cartoon, not worse than the cartoon (which based on the script and story it is!).

  • March 29, 2007, 11:56 p.m. CST

    I've said it before...

    by pjdon

    The script was an early draft.<p>I have read many scripts for action films which where final drafts and they never come across well. There is too much single lines of dialouge and no tension. <p>Like someone said before the whole staircase scene in Fellowship just said "The Fellowship run down the stairs" in the script.

  • March 29, 2007, 11:57 p.m. CST

    It takes

    by pjdon

    a lot of experiance to be able to read a script and visualise what it will come out like on screen. <p> People seem to think it works like reading a book

  • March 29, 2007, 11:58 p.m. CST

    I was not saying that I prefer it, rather that it

    by superninja

    is an option. Megatron's face, although human looking, has a geometric structure to it, I would've been fine with refining that, it could've provided a wide range of motion - after all that is how CGI is built.

  • March 30, 2007, 12:01 a.m. CST

    I think the fans would

    by pjdon

    have excepted that but not the general public. I'm sure Bay and co experimented with it and went with whatever looked best.

  • March 30, 2007, 12:03 a.m. CST

    CGI expressing emotions doesn't work?

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    Sucks to be Pixar...<BR><BR> So it's an early draft huh? SO there WON'T be Autobots sneaking around suburban neighborhoods or dogs peeing on them?? Whew, thats a relief!!

  • March 30, 2007, 12:03 a.m. CST

    My main problem is

    by pjdon

    with the hands. It may sound wierd but they always had iconic hands which could have been replicated perfectly, most of them seem to have claws now.

  • March 30, 2007, 12:03 a.m. CST

    Doubt it. They were determined to reinvent

    by superninja

    the wheel from the outset. They wanted to completely redo them and talked about reverse engineering them. The fans complained and they started adding familiar stuff back in.

  • March 30, 2007, 12:09 a.m. CST

    Well Gibson, Pixar have never done a robots face in a

    by pjdon

    live action film. I wasn't trying to say it couldn't be done but would it look any good. Just imagine a giant robot with a face made of some kind of liquid metal material. <p> As for the suburbs, what is wrong with the robots interacting with humans? You complain about the humour but the animated movie had them dancing, wize cracking and a bit of slapstick. Imagine all that in a live action film. <p> Bays films have always had a lot of humour and it always hits the right notes and compliments the action well.

  • March 30, 2007, 12:11 a.m. CST

    Because giant robots sneaking around in robot

    by superninja

    mode in suburbia is not as cute as ET hiding in the closet? Come on, just the scale and the idea is slightly retarded.

  • March 30, 2007, 12:14 a.m. CST

    But if they removed all humor...

    by pjdon

    And had the robots not talk at all and just fight then it would be nothing like the original series.

  • March 30, 2007, 12:23 a.m. CST

    A lot of things in a lot of

    by pjdon

    movies would seem retarded if you read them in a script or viewed them out of context. <p> By the way has anyone seen Shia LaBeouf in A Guide to Recognizing Your Saints? He is a brilliant actor, just because he gets hired for more than one film at a time everyone dissmisses him as kid of the month.

  • March 30, 2007, 12:27 a.m. CST

    Yeah a liquid-metal face would be retarded looking.

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    But I say that if the storyline is good enough, even a fixed Optimus face (WITH mask) is capable of expressing emotion and connecting with the audience. Look at C3PO. Yeah, kind of a lame example, but the bots should be the focus of the storyline, and with a compelling storyline even the most "still" of faces will reach the viewers.

  • March 30, 2007, 12:33 a.m. CST

    The cartoons are pretty funny. Because all of the

    by superninja

    personalities have their own quirks. Not because of toilet humor.

  • March 30, 2007, 12:43 a.m. CST

    But there was plenty of slapstick style humour

    by pjdon

    with stuff like the dino bots and starscream. I can imagine many moments from the series would come across even more retarded in live action. <p> There is bound to be a certain amount of humour regarding the robots fitting into our society. And I don't think the dog peeing is really 'toilet humour' just because the dog is peeing. If the dog simply rubbed up against Primes foot he would probably try to step on it and it would be the same joke which is that he has never seen a dog. <p> The thing is that none of us know if we will connect with the robots, like you said Gibson, we did connect with 3CP0 but if someone showed you a picture of him we would say he was the definition of retarded.

  • March 30, 2007, 12:45 a.m. CST

    Just try and imagine Ironhide...

    by pjdon

    moaning on about his wars and wot not in his oldtimer fashion in a live action film and tell me it wouldn't seem a bit off at first.

  • March 30, 2007, 12:48 a.m. CST

    Are you kidding? I'd love that. It's what endeared

    by superninja

    the characters to me. I still find their personality quirks one of the most charming things about the cartoons.

  • March 30, 2007, 12:58 a.m. CST

    So did I

    by pjdon

    But in a live action film where they look a lot more robotic how would it work? People are already complaining about how Bumblebee pokes his head round the corner of the house and tells the others to hush. If we saw that in the cartoon we wouldn't blink an eye, if we saw a human doing it in a film it would seem normal. But if you have a giant robot doing it in a live action film it is harder to swallow.

  • March 30, 2007, 1:03 a.m. CST

    It's because of the scale and that they are

    by superninja

    too obvious in a suburban setting sneaking around like the Scooby Gang when they are 3 stories tall. It's ridiculous. Personality quirks are not the same thing. The TF are essentially humans, they just look like giant robots. It's fun. The story is not so much about them being aliens, there is really not very much emphasis on their culture or "otherness" in the cartoon you immediately identify with them because they are familiar. They just start fighting on Earth and the humans get sick of them and they try to get back to Cybertron. They're about Modern ideas about power - liberty vs. totalitarianism.

  • March 30, 2007, 1:08 a.m. CST

    The Autobots are kind of like Sgt. Rock and his

    by superninja

    Easy Company or some John Wayne WII movie outfit, and the 'Cons are Nazis, Reds, take your pick.

  • March 30, 2007, 3:33 a.m. CST

    liberty vs. Totalitarianism

    by Phategod1

    statements like that make you the single greatest woman on the net.

  • March 30, 2007, 6:55 a.m. CST

    Reasons why Shia is not a brilliant actor:

    by Lost Prophet

    1) I, Robot- goddamn he was awful<p> 2) Constantine- see above<p> 3) The quint interview where he talked some frightful bollocks about method and suchlike. <p>One good performance does not a good actor make.

  • March 30, 2007, 7 a.m. CST

    This better be Rated R...

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    ...even though it's a frakkin toy commercial movie.

  • March 30, 2007, 7:13 a.m. CST

    It won't be

    by Lost Prophet

    -

  • March 30, 2007, 8:03 a.m. CST

    I love how megatron looks like a lumber garbage heap

    by Dokkalvar

    Like the designers couldn't give him a proper form spending hours upon hours on wasted ideas. While sitting amongst crumpled up sketches, over the sound of an angry impatient bay constantly calling, vigorously calling, jumping and screaming into a phone that will never answer, they took one inspirational look at their SWEET NEW TRIBAL TATTOO!! and said, "Yeah, just like that man." With the cloud of doubt passing they took that call, but the Bay like an epilepsy victim sputtered and dodged the phone in quick jerky movements. Silence on the other end - Maybe he became excited and jumped out the window because it's super cool or, possibly, he just got a nosebleed and passed out. Whatever. Someone had to OK this and since the Bay couldn't handle the subtlety of a simple phone exchange and all his emails were complete gibberish anyway they turned to the next creative body in charge. They text-messaged Spielberg the wonderful news.. but he was simply too busy to care what they were doing. "Fine, what do you need? More money? Fine." And with no proper oversight the worst re-imagining I've ever seen in my life was born! I just can't wait to accidentally impale my foot on it in the middle of the night long after this whole kidney stone becomes just another plastic case collecting dust in blockbuster's discount DVD bin.

  • March 30, 2007, 8:06 a.m. CST

    lumbering too

    by Dokkalvar

    You know what I mean damnit!

  • March 30, 2007, 8:41 a.m. CST

    pah. Slow news day.

    by Lost Prophet

    Where is everybody. <p>Superninja are you really female, or is that a vcious rumour?

  • March 30, 2007, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Fair Enough then

    by Lost Prophet

    I'd better watch my filthy fucking mouth. <p>Also, Gany, I thought the G1 megs looked like shit as well, but I despise this sub-geiger knock off they have now.

  • March 30, 2007, 11:09 a.m. CST

    TOO SOON!!

    by Pageiv

    They look better up close that's for sure.

  • March 30, 2007, 11:09 a.m. CST

    TOO SOON!!

    by Pageiv

    They look better up close that's for sure.

  • March 30, 2007, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Avengers and transformers

    by pelos_locos

    In case that, for some reason, someone out there is still reading this longer than long MB check this out:<p> http://tinyurl.com/33cm6m

  • March 30, 2007, 12:47 p.m. CST

    I think the posters are pretty cool.

    by Lamerz

    I looked over and Kurt Russell was laughing, so I guess they are okay.

  • March 30, 2007, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Yes, I am female, 'tis true.

    by superninja

    Phate, that is nice of you but I don't think that a great observation, all of those cartoons made during the Cold War were about that.

  • March 30, 2007, 1:17 p.m. CST

    Whatever, there was nothing wrong with G1 Megatron's

    by superninja

    appearance. You're just making excuses for the chandelier tragedy.

  • March 30, 2007, 1:25 p.m. CST

    G1 Megs if fly. There was nothing wrong with

    by superninja

    his design: http://seibertron.com/images/comic/dw_megatron.jpg

  • March 30, 2007, 1:30 p.m. CST

    "Is" fly. For a bad guy.

    by superninja

    The original designs are so killer compared to these. If anyone is doubting go pick up some of that stuff from Dreamwave.

  • March 30, 2007, 2:07 p.m. CST

    G1 Megs looked cool,&later Megs were based off of him

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    G1 Megs looked kick ass, and later Meg designs (Beast Wars) were based off that classic look. You can't just say it sucks now and change it. It's like Sam Raimi deciding the Venom design sucks and casually changing him into a blue raccoon. WTF.<BR><BR> And even IF the Megs design did suck, hypothetically, is a design comprised of crumpled up aluminum with a chickenbeak any better??

  • March 30, 2007, 3:42 p.m. CST

    Avengers and Transformers

    by Immortal_Fish

    Why is Marvel using such outdated models? And how can they possibly think they're going to make money on a 25 year old property? I guess they didn't get the memo. Hell, I don't care anyhow. It's just another comic based on a toy commercial, kinda like Star Wars.

  • March 30, 2007, 3:51 p.m. CST

    G1 groupies

    by Immortal_Fish

    I'd buy into the new look if Megs at least looked like a chandelier with an arm cannon. Instead, he just looks like a chandelier.<P>Do we really need a Metrosexualtron?<P>Since it bears repeating -- NEW!! Make your own movie Megatron toy! Feed your dog tinsel off the tree and wait a few hours...

  • March 30, 2007, 4:31 p.m. CST

    new trailer

    by drave117

    I just threw up a little bit in my mouth.

  • March 30, 2007, 5:01 p.m. CST

    seriously, man

    by drave117

    How does this get you excited? Every single robot shown there just looks like a mass of gyrating shards of metal. I get a headache just watching them transform. And that one that shoots the missile in front of the liquor store at the end? I had to download the trailer and go through it frame by frame just to even process what the hell I was looking at. There is only ONE single moment in that trailer that gives me any kind of joy, and that is the police robot chasing the kid. You know why? Because that robot actually has a couple of pieces that I can RECOGNIZE AS BEING PART OF A CAR!

  • March 30, 2007, 5:22 p.m. CST

    SCREW YOU GUYS THIS WILL OWN YOU ALL

    by wcoop893

    30 seconds has never done so much for me as far as wanting to see a movie. very very good stuff. cant freaking wait. and that megan fox

  • March 30, 2007, 5:28 p.m. CST

    I agree with one thing drave117 said

    by decypher44

    The shot of the TF shooting the missile while diving away from a missle coming at him. Had to do frame-by-frame to see what the hell was going on. The trailer is way too short, and way too fast. Actually, that's what I hate about Bay's films. Having said all of that, I'll be there!

  • March 30, 2007, 6:04 p.m. CST

    That trailer sucked ass!

    by ProziumJunkie

    WTF was going on? Bay needs to go back to doing commercials and music videos.

  • March 30, 2007, 6:29 p.m. CST

    QFT

    by Phategod1

    that trailer was lamer then the 1st

  • March 30, 2007, 6:30 p.m. CST

    waht does gany have in common with a anchor?

    by Phategod1

    There both tools used on bays.

  • March 30, 2007, 6:37 p.m. CST

    The new trailer moves too fast

    by Neo Zeed

    I couldn't make out anything.

  • March 30, 2007, 6:45 p.m. CST

    Sounds like something Megatron would say.

    by superninja

    "Thank you my Friend! The more of you we can rid of the better."

  • March 30, 2007, 6:51 p.m. CST

    DeSanto claimed he loved TFs also and his name

    by superninja

    is all over this travesty.

  • March 30, 2007, 6:54 p.m. CST

    There is a better trailer here

    by Phategod1

    http://www.sectorseven.org/ use password: FWIFFO

  • March 30, 2007, 6:59 p.m. CST

    Gany If you hate G1 so much why are you even

    by Phategod1

    a fan? I know you want macross movie but other then that why do you care about this move oh yeah at IGN.com when polled on what the people are more anticipating more Spiderman3 or TF Spiderman was winning by over 60%

  • March 30, 2007, 7:46 p.m. CST

    Phategod1

    by Immortal_Fish

    Thanks much, I can't stand that too-cool-for-school "insider" techie-wanna-be crap. Can you give me a clue where to click for the trailer? Thanks!

  • March 30, 2007, 7:59 p.m. CST

    BSB

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Funny but true. Every time my wife sees Olivia Munn on TV, and I shit you not, she says "fucking christ that bitch is hot - how does she do it? She could wear a burlap sack and induce a boner. Hawt!" Love my wife.<P>Saw the new trailers. Hate the alien invasion shit. God this could have been so fucking cool. ILM doesn't make up for the brainless story. Too bad too. The transforming and shit looks fucking cool as hell save for the shitty robot designs. What's with all the spikes and shit? Realisitc? What? I am definately happy I refuse to pay to see this debacle. But, oh how it will own the summer. Box office revenue matters to film fan like me. Fuck story and execution. They had something so potentially brilliant and all they churned out is a SFX bonanza of tripe. whine, whine, whine, pout, pout, pout

  • March 30, 2007, 8:14 p.m. CST

    SuperNinja

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Thank you. I defy anyone to explain how the Dreamwave stuff doesn't work or how it couldn't be easily conveyed vie film.

  • March 30, 2007, 8:14 p.m. CST

    This movie might open big but will die quickly

    by ProziumJunkie

    much like Bay's cocaine highs and hookers.

  • March 30, 2007, 8:20 p.m. CST

    theres a Icon that looks like a harddrive

    by Phategod1

    in the upper left corner there are three on the other side but you can't click on them.

  • March 30, 2007, 8:49 p.m. CST

    Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha...

    by nonsensical

    I love how they got another voice actor from the original series and he's showcased in the new "Hidden" TV Spot. G1 fans should totally recognize the Narrator from the G1 series as the trailer's "announcer". <p> I knew we would get another original voice actor. That makes me totally want to see this movie now... <p> right after I poke out my eyes. LAME!

  • March 30, 2007, 9:04 p.m. CST

    Work in progress

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/ vbimghost.php?do=displayimg&imgid=2855<P>I find it hard to believe that this is cool to people. I know mecha and I love mecha. This is not mecha.

  • March 30, 2007, 9:13 p.m. CST

    GanyMeade2010

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Bold prognostication. Sadly, you are probably right. I wouldn't put it past the public. The flash, the loudness, the action and the SFX will put butts in seats. Maybe if the writers read the DreamWave and IDW shit they would have been more inspired to write a good story. G1 did not die with TF the movie. It did if that was your only TF experience. That doesn't excuse the abortion of a story. SuperNinja made the point back at 03/30/07 01:03:48 a.m. which you lovers fail to acknowledge. Embrace your medicore overcompensating bonanza of shit.

  • March 30, 2007, 9:25 p.m. CST

    ganymede2010

    by Ryan30

    Thank you, how did you find that? The Destiny commercial was not that great besides the Starscream shot, but the Hidden commercial was awesome. Those tiny little things under the chair were cool, and I almost fell off the bed when that helicopter wasted everything with the pulse wave and the crazy ass Steve Jablonski drum music hit when everything went nuts in the last ten seconds.

  • March 30, 2007, 10:02 p.m. CST

    Jesus, Starscream even swings like a monkey!

    by Horseflesh

    Way to fuck up a sure thing.

  • March 30, 2007, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Gany you twat...

    by nonsensical

    I think the J.J. Abrams relaunch of STAR TREK will probably be the... how did you put it... "the primere SCI-FI saga since the Original SW films". <p> Nevermind that the word you are looking for is premiere but look at the fact that the relaunch of Star Trek is being helmed by one of the better story directors out there and it's got STAR TREK in the title which means a sort of built in audience and on top of that it's dealing with the classic Kirk and Spock characters. <p> Of course this film won't be out until Christmas '08, but when it does well you will probably see a few more films, likely around the summer months. Afterall, it's STAR TREK and right behind Star Wars it has more rabid fans than anything out there. <p> In the mean time, please pull your head out of Bay's ass, oh and I have to agree Starscream is sick... as in sick and wrong.

  • March 30, 2007, 10:29 p.m. CST

    Horseflesh

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    You actually made me chuckle. Too true, too true. This movie will make so much money and own the summer. Isn't that what really matters?

  • March 30, 2007, 11:21 p.m. CST

    I could not hate the designs of the robots more.

    by superninja

    It looks like really good CGI. It looks NOTHING like Transformers.

  • March 30, 2007, 11:23 p.m. CST

    They're horrid. They'd better show Prime as much

    by superninja

    as they can before they release this - he's the only thing that actually LOOKS like part of the property with the huge fanbase they adapted. It's ugly, off putting, it will make it difficult for the audience to even care about them. And it still follows that stupid script.

  • March 30, 2007, 11:28 p.m. CST

    The designs just show that the TF are an

    by superninja

    afterthought as characters. So much for the eyes making you be able to relate to them - you can't even tell what the heck is going on with all the business. The iconic designs would have been much better - yes, even a more cartoonish direct adaptation would be preferrable!

  • March 30, 2007, 11:30 p.m. CST

    And the script just looks worse with the more

    by superninja

    material they release. Shallow, shallow stuff they are selling this with. Far from the high concept, the idiots.

  • March 31, 2007, 12:24 a.m. CST

    No sense of wonder at all, messi.

    by superninja

    For cryin' out loud they totally botched it!

  • March 31, 2007, 1:13 a.m. CST

    everyone but this site is loving this. people are going

    by wcoop893

    to eat this shit up and love it. lets be honest, no matter how "bad" or "mtv" bays movies are, they are mostly crowd pleasers. and people are going to freaking love this. hell, i love it already. just sucks you guys all hate it. sorry you will miss out

  • March 31, 2007, 1:27 a.m. CST

    Wow the transformations are horrible.

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    Don't get me wrong. I HOPE this movie is good. Best case scenario is for me to watch an awesome TF movie, be proved wrong, and come here to apologize to mr. Bay for doubting him at all. I WANT THAT. But wow, those transformations are horrible. It's almost like morphing and not transforming at all.

  • March 31, 2007, 1:38 a.m. CST

    you know what really sucks?

    by drave117

    That one shot of (I assume) Starscream flying under that bridge, and then transforming and vaulting up onto the bridge looks pretty freaking amazing... until he lands and you see his actual robot shape, which looks even stupider in motion than it did in photos. This furthers my belief that Bay could have actually made a bad-ass TF movie if he had a decent script to work with, and a capable designer for the robots...

  • March 31, 2007, 5:20 a.m. CST

    Final rating?

    by valdes

    So what is going to be the final rating?Will it be PG-13 because i'm 14 and i really want to watch it.

  • March 31, 2007, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Rated F

    by Phategod2

    For failure.

  • March 31, 2007, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Lets continue to give harry his

    by Phategod2

    precious ban width and check out the other topic

  • April 1, 2007, 12:39 a.m. CST

    THE BAY LOVERS SOUND LIKE THEY KNOW NOTHING ABOUT TF!!

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    1. They trash the G1 cartoon, and any other TV cartoon when applicable.<BR> 2. They call the franchise as "giant transforming robots fighting" in summary, claiming it has no depth<BR> 3. Then, in a contradictory twist, they claim this may be the top movie of the year. (Above Spiderman?)<BR><BR> Dudes, if you're guerilla salespeople here to generate buzz and promote the movie, you're doing a LOUSY job. I could do a better job fake defending this movie. Listen, don't defend the Transformers movie by trashing the Transformers. That makes no sense. It's like defending the Ghost Rider movie by trashing the comics. It makes no sense to trash the source material of something you claim will be the movie of the year. You sound retarded.<BR><BR> IF I WERE TO DEFEND THIS MOVIE, here's how I would go about it off the top of my head. I would respect the source material, and respect everything TF from G1 forward, then try to get the haters to consider this as an alternate universe take where everything is fixable. Flames on Optimus? Who says it has to stay in the future? Same goes for Sam and the human characters. I would explain that this is simply the launching pad for a possible new franchise, which will have flaws and tedious moments, but for which the possibilities are endless in the future. Without Star Trek 1, there would be no Wrath of Kahn. And without this first entry into TF, there would be no possibilities upcoming. I would ask the haters to please forgive any missteps on this first try, and stick with us because the stuido is truly trying their best.<BR><BR> G1 fans and other TF are upset, and it's understandable. As the studio and Bay supporters, it is best though to take the high road and try to establish relationships while acknowledging flaws and shortcoming.<BR> "HANG IN THERE STICK WITH US PLEASE" should be the message....not "G1 was crap you all suck!!".......if you're plants saying that, you suck at your job. Period.

  • April 1, 2007, 3:59 a.m. CST

    rating?

    by valdes

    Come on,i talk serious.What is going to be the final rating-PG-13 or R?

  • April 2, 2007, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Ohhh

    by SuperKungFuHero

    First impressions....VERYYYYY NICEEEE. Love the Optimus look...a lot! Total baddass look. As for Megatron, well I dunno. He looks badass but nothing like the original Megatron...which I dont think will be too much of a bad thing really. Gotta see him in action to have a good opinion I think.

  • April 2, 2007, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Optimus Prime has a big vagina

    by INWOsuxRED

    at least thats what it looks like in the new yahoo pictures. Either a vagina or a massive dickhole, I can't make up my mind.</br>http://movies.yahoo.com/slideshows/generic/transformersexclusives.html

  • April 7, 2007, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Mr_X

    by photoboy

    Lol, "mangina", is that the best you can come up with to defend Bay's shoddy designs and direction? It's funny how many TINO supports have appeared around here lately, most of which don't post anywhere else on the site. Plenty of Planty McPlants in operation methinks.