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JOHN RAMBO Set Pics Bulge Across The Internets!!
Merrick here...
These actually showed up Friday, and somehow slipped through the cracks during the weekend updates.
Flynetonline has posted a bunch of set photos from RAMB0 4…now called JOHN RAMBO (a la ROCKY BALBOA).
While I wish Sly all the best with this, I’ve always felt ROCKY was the better of the two characters to revisit…and that an age-compensated Rambo might be a harder sell. These pictures don’t do a lot to convince me that I’m wrong, but I’ll wait to see some footage from this before giving up completely.
Click on the pic to visit the site of origin. Once there, you can click on the images to embiggen them!
For those who haven't heard, Brian Tyler (CHILDREN OF DUNE, CONSTANTINE, and AVP 2) will score this. To the best of my knowledge, there's been there's no word on whether he'll use any of Jerry Goldsmith's music (although presumably he will).
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FIRSTY-YO
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2nd too
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third too???
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looks like Sly could actually pull this one off - he looks pretty good but maybe John should have a 21st century haircut these days?
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Mar 26, 2007 8:35:56 AM CDT
Not too worried about this film...
by film_fanatic_in_the_original_black_and_w
Rocky Balboa was a great rebirth, but I still believe Cinderella Man is the greatest boxing movie ever made, period. That being said, I loved First Blood and I was entertained by the sequels. So you never quite know what Sly & Co. can conjure up.
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and it is First Blood. I'd rather see John McClane again than Rambo...
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Who cares,Rocky turned out pretty damn good,so if this fails then i guess you have 2 good ones {the first 2} then 2 bad ones,the last 2.Better then a remake thats for sure.
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Hasn't the Rambo character, introduced in First Blood, been bent over enough by Hollywood action hero conventions?Seriously, I loved First Blood. It was a fantastically written and truly well realized story. I can even forgive some of the major conceits of the first sequel, in that it was the Hollywood happy ending we were all so lucky we didn't get on the original film (but, if you're being honest with yourself, you know Rambo spent the remainder of his days institutionalized and swinging between bouts of deep depression and manic rages). The third film was a colossal joke and I have no reason to believe this wouldn't be an even larger but decidedly less funny one.Speaking of which, now that the shine's off this site's brief romance with Stallone, is anyone else willing to admit what a horribly written and just generally poorly conceived bit of self-indulgent tripe Rocky Balboa was?
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They look like G.I. Joe dolls.
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or does that picture look like someone's just taken a picture of some toy soldiers they've set up in their backyard?
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This will go straight to DVD. I really like Sly and I think all the good work he did with the Rocky film will be undone by Rambo.
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Not just me then. You beat me by 32 seconds - My old nemesis the cache strikes again!
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If it does, then we may yet get to see the continuing adventures of John Spartan. Which would be sweet.
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Was awesome. It was really something else. And after that talkback with Stallone, I have faith that this guy knows what he is doing. He came across as really intelligent. Guess my dad was right about him.
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Rambo! Rambo! Rambo!
Wake me up before you go go
Rambo! Rambo! Rambo!
I'll be your cash if you'll be my tango
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If this is as good as Rocky Balboa I'll be a very happy man.
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Fuck! he must be in his seventies surely! he's too old to be going around doing that army shit shooting people in the head and all that malarkey. wouldnt he have a fucking stroke or some shit? surely he'd be shouting "oi turn your silencers on, you fuckers. its hurting me hearing and i cant be arsed to turn down my hearing aid! one of you cunts grab me heart pills, i got a bit of a dicky chest! wheres me walking stick, me kness playing up again! some one help me with this AK 47, its getting a bit heavy!" maybe its gonna be a comedy- a parady of the great rambo films of the past. i dont wanna see no sex scenes tho. him cracking into some 70 year granny with flopsies! septogenarian porn. don't recognize.
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It had to be said.
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I know I asked that in the previous talkback, but I'm just incredulous...
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Dang, he looks like a hundred miles of some of the baddest ass bad road.
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Damn you and your worst nightmare, John Rambay.
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Mar 26, 2007 9:08:36 AM CDT
MCMLXXVl, you need a good fucking banning, my son
by talkbacker with no name
you tripe is the most annoying shit i've ever witnessed on the web!
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...absolutely frakking dreadful. This movie may be so bad that it makes children cry, women scream, and give cancer to anyone that sees it.
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...as much as I like you and thoroughly enjoy it when you put the hurtin' to ABKing, I just can't follow you to the place you're going with that comment. I loved Rocky Balboa and will NOT be doing a post mortem on it. It's the equivalent of Wile E. Coyote running off a cliff and being suspended in the air as long as he doesn't look down. I'm not saying there's a yawning chasm below me, but I ain't gonna look and find out. I wish you luck in defending your position once YackBacker and the others hear of your heresy.
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...John Rambo:First Blood In My Stool
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Looks like a cheap Rip-Off Rambo II.
Show some balls Sly, and do it Apocalypse Now Style in Afghanistan.
With Rambo in the Role of Kurtz,
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Funny shit (no pun intended). It certainly makes a refreshing change from all the "Indiana Jones and the..." jokes we've been subjected to lately.
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I hope you were being facetious...that's obviously not the real MCMLXVI...there has been a host of imitators recently, trying to make us believe he is branching out in his "fuck you..." dispersal. but no, he remains true. fuck you michael bay, indeed.you know better taclkbacker w/no name...
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Rambo IV: Toy Story III
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...do we all forget that the Taliban were the good guys in Rambo III? These movies are about as fucked up as America's foreign policy.
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Is that a coldpack on his shoulders or are those blood squids?
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Rambo just looks odd.
I can't imagine it working. I never even managed to stomach all of 3. Then again you never know.
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I still hate that fucking cunt though. Sorry, i have just had enough and have broken 'falling down' sytle.
Even one of my closest friends (Whitey) has had a go at me via email. To quote:
"it's like "YOU CAN TAKE MY KILT BUT YOU CAN NEVER TAKE MY FREEDOM"
it's like "GET YOU FILTHY PAWS OFF ME YOU DAMNED DIRTY APE!"
it's like "DAMN YOU MICHAEL BAY!"
it's like...... THE TRUTH!
you know it bitch"
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Once and for all, mmm'kay? The Afghan fighters who resisted Soviet occupation were not only Taliban. In fact, the Taliban were only one group of many who fought the Soviets. Masood, probably the greatest Afghan hero of the war (who was murdered by Al Qaeda agents just prior to 9/11), and his people hated the Taliban and islamist extremists. There is nothing -- NOTHING -- in Rambo 3 that indicates that the Afghans Rambo is hanging out with are Taliban. In fact, their acceptance of a defected Soviet field medic would suggest that they aren't Taliban at all, but one of the other, more pragmatic groups.
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...the fact that the women aren't all burqa'd up and the men have varying beard lengths.
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That looks like a diorama of Aussies in VietNam when they were part of that little adventure.
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Johm Rambo...ehhh, not so much. this stuff doesn't look too promising. Gonna need some sweet internet trailers, a la Rocky B., to start washing away the HGH-suitcase sized doubt this project comes with.
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the plot would be that they have to find his colostomy bag cos he accidentally drank some funked-up bag of tin-foil-wrapped new breed of herion or crack. the baddies have the colostomy bag and are gonna do deal with the russians or some shit to make loadsa money. so old rambo is wheeled outa retirement (albeit on a new temporary colostomy bag) to get his old bag and the drugs back. along this magical journey he suffers 6 heart attacks, 4 strokes, a broken hip, 2 detached retinas. he's a bit senile at the end of the film but ultimately he wins! what he was doing with the drugs in the first place is nobodies business. i know! one of the doctors at his old peoples home fed it to him accidentally instaed of his usual pureed carrot & big macs. actually it sounds shit, but it'll still be better than the actual film.
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I disagree. I was one of the many who smooched Sly's glutes in December, and I loved "Rocky Balboa." Having seen it four times in the theatre and a couple times already on DVD, my affection for the film is not diminished. Even the outtakes (on the DVD) cement my conviction that it was well written, acted and directed.
But count me among the numbers who feels Rambo needs a haircut. And I'm not down on long hair or mullets--I sported a lengthy mane back in high school and college, but cut it when long hair became too popular (around 1992). I just don't see a 60 year old Rambo with the same old hair. In fact, they should have shaved him bald, or close to it. Man, I hope this cooks like "Rocky." -
Rocky went over well. Time to back off the throttle, Sly. Sit tight for a few years so you can...oh wait you're already doing this. Shit.
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I should be careful what I say: Moriarty likes to censor. He did not like my suggestion of a retitled "John Rambo". (Rambo: Last Blood). He sent me a personal email and told me so! He will no doubt delete this; because he does not understand freedom of speech on a website that advocates- freedom of speech. How ironic!
The title stinks like Moriarty's breath. I actually think, with age being a factor: Rambo can make for a more entertaining film than Rocky.
How many boxers fight when they are sixty?
Does age play a factor when you have to fight for your life? No!
Final word to Sadam... sorry Moriarty: why don't you delete all the "Damn you Michael Bay" shit? (Suddenly you experience a paradiym shift; light dawns upon your limited intellect: it's called democracy!) -
You crybabies probably whined over the fact that Snake Plissken in EFLA not only had the same hair, but the same jacket and tight camo pants he had in EFNY. Then again, you probably bitched when James Hetfield, Martin Riggs and John McClane got haircuts.
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re: the title hating
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"Grumpy Old Adventurers"
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The Rocky movies were always a kind of personal character study; like Dickens Nicholas Nickleby or David etc.
By giving the full name Rocky Balboa; Sly was perhaps suggesting to the world that it is a character piece, we will learn more about him as a person on a pathway to whatever.
Rambo was never about character; it was the action that drove the piece and to give a "character study" would be to short change what people would want and expect.
By calling the film "Rambo: Last Blood" it is in keeping with the other films (First Blood, Rambo: First Blood part II; Rambo III) it it gives it a sense of continuation, exploration of previous themes and ultimately completion.
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Please chris young, Don't try and replicate Danny Elfman. Please don't try and replicate john Williams. Be free. I see it's more army guys shoot em ups. Awesome. I mean, CRAP! Can't he be a drifter like the original character? They gave Data an emotion chip. They should have destroyed it by the end of the film. Be gone John Bon Rambo
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they are both desperate. he has to pay his old folks home fees, just like when an aging musician is wheeled out to do 'one last gig'. both films smacked of desperation. stunk of it in fact. saying 'rocky balboa' is better than 'john rambo' is like saying faeces is better than poo. both one and same, fella. recognize
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Mar 26, 2007 10:12:14 AM CDT
The Advance Guard, why the hell would mori...
by talkbacker with no name
personnal email about your lame title? you are otu of your tree, man!
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I thought it looked ok: in keeping with the character.
Sly should put a twist in the film, where Rambo is captured and his hair is shaved off!
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Talkbacker with no name. Either you are Moriarty trying to deflect comments with an alias OR you are so fucking stupid that you do not have the imagination or creative intelligence to come up with a "Talkbacker" name.
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I need closure for those characters as well.
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At least in concept. The aged soldier makes more sense than an aged boxer. Guns and explosives make a heck of an equalizer whereas a 60 year old dude in a boxing ring requires more suspension of disbelief. There are a lot of "old soldier" stories that work and the premise is more believable than an old Rocky. From John Wayne to Nick Fury to Solid Snake, here's hoping this lives up to the potential.
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I must be so fucking stupid that you I don't have the imagination or creative intelligence to come up with a "Talkbacker" name.
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You could be the one who doesn't see the movie reference i'm referring to.
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i'm all for free speech too, fella. hell, no doubt you lot have witnessed my rants when i get passionate about something or when someone personally attacks me. but youre waving a red flag to a bull on this "moriaty fella". if he has the power to delete you, why insult his breath and his intellect? use your common sense. thats just asking for trouble, fella.
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Ok, I might be 25, call me naive, but were not these movies (Rocky, Rambo, Tango&cash) fun?
All you guys that complain about the returning of these characters don't get it: at least they do return. Maybe they will be shit, but just maybe they might surprise and that is where the fun is.
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What question did you directly ask me?
Council estate scumbag: I am just giving Moriarty an intellectual wake-up call and I think he has the sense to see the imagery in my language. -
the one with the question mark!
Why would he send you an email about a lame title? There is more to this you are not telling us.
25? awwww you are still just a baby, my son. -
The Rambo movies all sucked anyways (yes, even First Blood).
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The truth is: I was posting comments about the lame title of "John Rambo" in talkbacks that were not about Rambo.
I thought it was ok to do this; you see irreverent topics popping up all the while i.e "damn you Michael Bay" etc.
I realise this was wrong. Stick to the topic at hand: advice from Moriarty. He subsequently deleted those emails which were not offensive in ANY WAY!
I have to admit: I did feel censored and chastized. All I wanted was feedback in an area where people were talking.
Is it not good to talk.
So I apologise for being irreverent. (Happy Moriarty?)
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"a 60 year old dude in a boxing ring requires more suspension of disbelief". Eh? where have you been for the past 10 years or so? Mars? you been having a nice vacation picking poppies and cooking space cookies on our closesst red sister planet with your little martian buddies whilst jacking off to teletubbies? look at George Foreman! look at Joe bugner! recognize
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i guess i can see this moriaty fella's point but it seems wierd and uneccasry to me. heck. why dont they delete half my posts? i can sometimes go off on a tangent sometimes without realizing it.
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You are trying to get Mori to responded to you in some way here by calling him out. That would really make your day eh.
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People look at my previous comments and think about it. Think about it intelligently and objectively.
Rambo is about action, the singular name of "John Rambo" for a film title is too reductionist. Either keep in line or expand i.e Rambo: Last Blood or John Rambo and the War of Doom. It makes more sense.
As I said a sixty year old boxer is less believable than a person defending their life at any age.
Got to go: I think that is the F.B.I knocking at my door ("Damn you Moriarty!"
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Nicely done! What's sad / funny is, I kept looking at the links even after the joke was clear. I damn near laughed my bag off. You know, my applebag. My scota-rammalammadingdong.
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It's all the truth. It did seem overboard.
I think it was a case of bad-day at the office for Moriarty. It makes you wonder though: I like feedback in any form: it's good to talk.
Peace to everyone and love to the censors of the world.
Bye for now.
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Mar 26, 2007 10:55:34 AM CDT
The Advance Guard, thinking about it intelligently
by talkbacker with no name
I would have thought that with you having a military talkback name, you would understand that 'First blood' refers to someone making the first attack move - drawing first blood. 'Last Blood' means fuck all!
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Just wanted to clarify. I like long hair. I had long hair. Like Rambo. But, like Rambo, it was 20 years ago. Martin Riggs cut his hair almost 20 years ago (it got shorter for Lethal Weapon 2-3). Hetfield (of Metallica) cut his in 1995 or so, and it's been relatively short for 12 years. My point is, haircuts have moved on for everyone. Not that it must be so for Rambo, but I certainly thought he'd go short by now, and no one knows the character better than I do. I've read all the books, seen all the movies and makings-of, emailed with David Morrell to discuss them (and yeah, he wrote back)and discussed weaponry with Jimmy Lyle, the Arkansas knifesmith and fellas at Hoyt-Easton archery (makers of Rambo's famous knives and bow). I'm something of a Rambo expert, like Rocky. In fact, God didn't make Rambo. I made him. And now he needs a haircut. That's all. I'm not pissing on him or the movie or Sly or the possibility that this could be very good.
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By the time Rocky Balboa actually hit theaters, I was among the many looking forward to a good old fashioned Rocky movie for its own sake and on its own terms. And, based on glowing reviews from a number of folks on thiks site (whose opinions I actually hold in high regard), I was eagerly anticipating my rental of the flick.But when I finally watched it, dear lord, it made my eyes want to bleed.Ghost Adrian was just plain insulting. To the actress and to the character. I do hope Talia got paid for the use and abuse of her visage.Mason Dixon started as an empathetic character and a "heavy" with real potential, but he rapidly devolved into an Apollo Creed wannabe who, honestly, just didn't have the charisma Weathers brought to the original role.Rocky himself -- a character who was borderline brain damaged the last time we saw him on screen, has so many contrived, overwritten and head-scratchingly of place monologues that I thought he was possessed by the spirit of a young Bill Murray.And don't even get me started on the editing/internal inspirational speech during the big fight.I ended that movie very frustrated because, like I think a lot of you saw, there was potential in that premise. I enjoyed Paulie, thoroughly. And I held off on rendering final judgement until I saw the alternate ending.I was hoping against hope that this would be the version where Rocky dies before hearing the split decision and the last scene is his son, standing over his parents' graves, when Dixon comes and lays a championship belt in front of Balboa's tombstone...that wouldn't have fixed everything that was wrong with the movie, but it at least would've gone out on a note that lent more significance to Adrian's presence in the film (Rocky can't think of a reason to live without her except to fight, which ultimately wins him a reunion). But no. Instead the alternate ending shows me how the movie could have been even worse.Really. I haven't felt this betrayed by the recommendations of my fellow talkbackers since Cabin Fever.
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I think it's funny that the naysayery here is identical to early Rocky Balboa naysayery. "He's too old!" "It's a dead franchise!" "It'll tank!" etc... Some people just love the taste of foot.
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...when they were still playing action leads, so I say why the fuck not? Go for it Sly. Fuck this bullshit ageist crap, if the actual movie works, if he works in context of the story being told, and if it all comes together well then that's all that matters as far as I'm concerned. We'll see.
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That picture doesnt show jack shit. I was surprised how good Rocky was so who knows how this will turn out.
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I disagree. I think Rambo is such a dinosaur that the very notion of getting/changing a haircut would never occur to him.
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of the old films. A savage fucker like Rambo would have a scraggy old beard and greasy hair. I'm not sure facial grooming would be high on his priority list in the jungle.
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I'll meet you a bit of the way and agree that there were a few moments of "Mongo only pawn in game of life" that made me wince in Rocky Balboa, but they were few and far between. However, calling the endorsement of the film to be a crime against humanity on the level of recommending Cabin Fever is way below the belt, sir. Harrumph! Harrumph!
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I don't see how an older Rambo could be viewed as a harder sell than Rocky 6. After all, it's not that hard to believe that an old vet could still be a little crazy and killing people. I also hope the title is just a case of online fans taking Stallone's offhand comment (that it would be called John Rambo) far too literally. "Rocky Balboa" was a decent title, because that's how most people refer to the character anyway. But Rambo has always been a one name kind've guy. You don't call the movie John Shaft. You call it Shaft, because that tells you everything you need to know.
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Rocky is a man far more dependent on his physical well-being. Rambo uses not just muscle but guns and knives and bows and arrows, and even when fighting mana a mano (which means hand to hand not man to man) he can rely more on martial arts skills, which allow you to turn your opponents strength against him. No question. Rocky may be more relatable as a guy you could expect to have a beer with, but no question rambo is more believable as a guy who can still rack up the body count depiste his advancing years. -
Rambo meets his match. You know you want to see it.
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I just get good vibes from Sly these days, there's something about seeing your childhood heroes back onscreen. I think the movie goers need to see these characters again. It's probably just nostalgia speaking. If only Arnold could revisit Conan, or Predator before it's too late.
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I just wish Jerry were still here it wont be the same without him scoring. For this film to satisfy me all i need is to see Rambo kill lots of people with big guns, be nice if it is more first blood than rambo 3 though. I hope Sly can direct and action movie like this though.
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I can't wait for the 2009 release of MARION COBRETTI.
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I agree. The more people Rambo can change from "living" to "not living," the better. It will be fun seeing him get Apocalypto on the bad guys' asses.
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he looks grizzled, beaten to shit, but still has great hair. Is it just me or is Sly actually BIGGER than he was for Rocky Balboa? As in, roid rage bigger? I always thought Rambo was supposed to be the smaller and more agile of the two characters.
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and i suffered from childhood slaucoma for the first 14 years of my life and measles meant i was deaf too. i loved the character. i couldnt see or hear it of course but i thought they were great great films, fella. then i could see and hear from 15 onwards. they were overhyped then and they are overhyped now. i do not see things through rose tinted glasses. well i cant....
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...the Cabin Fever thing was a little harsh. But the feeling I had was very similar.For months I'd been reading all these rave reviews of Roth's debut shitfest and I hated that movie so very much that I had to watch it again just to make sure it was as bad as it seemed.Of course, now Cabin Fever is a guilty pleasure in that I enjoy inflicting it upon the unsuspecting just so I can savor their reactions.I don't see Rocky Balboa becoming one of those movies for me, though. Because it really was close to being a good or at least decent movie. It just tried way too hard in all the wrong places, I thought.
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that a couple of the rifles are blue...blue? What up w/that? To be replaced later with CGI?
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it'll be hilarious if in ten years he pulls the same shit to judge dred as he has done to rocky and rambo. i can see it now "Julius Dredd" or some shit where he is 86 and comes out of retirement to fight one last crime.......
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Lettersoftransit: "and even when fighting mana a mano (which means hand to hand not man to man)" Thanks for clearing THAT up. I think you just said "he flows from to a hand." but you could be on to something here.
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I think Rambo is always clean-shaven because he is supposed to be half Native American,(his Mother was Apache or something) therefore he has little or no facial hair ( I guess just enough facial hair for the sheriff deputies to try shaving him in First Blood, thus setting off his berserker rage)
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made my day...
"Sly is the best!!!I have 25 of his movies!!!!He is the man!!!He need to come to Croatia because I am crazy about him!!!I am from Croatia!!!That is right acros the Italy!!!Sly will know!!!My name is Josipa and I am 12!!!!!Sly please come to Croatia!!!" -
Except for the first few scenes.
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Fuck you MCMLXXVI
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It's the wig, it just makes him look like he's a bulked up wino.
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He has entertained us for decades as these iconic characters, and I'm grateful for it. Rewatched Rocky and Rocky 3 this weekend,comparing the character in those films with Rocky Balboa and It looks to me like Stallone knows how to express his maturity in this role. He cares about these roles(Rambo and Rocky),has since day one (if not he clearly wouldn't have rejected the studios money in the 70's when they wanted someone else to play the lead in Rocky) and he cares about the fans that love these characters. If he does the same with the latest Rambo flick I'm there. People like Tobey Maguire could learn from Stallone when it comes to being faithful to the roles that make your career.
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that'll be wicked and suit his age better. proper old man gumbo Rambo playing the banjo! rockin' stuff, fella!
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Is Martika in this movie?
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he's let me down badly with his recent films. so too has arnie. i believed in them and defended them to my mates on the estates, even the crackhead ones, and now they have let me down.
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Gentlemen-This is a serious question. I asked such a question a while ago on a board about why all the hate for Alien3. People were nice and elaborated. I was too biased/blind to see what they saw. Now I understand but still love the movie. Long story short-why all the hate for Cabin Fever. I liked it a lot. I don't want to fight unlike some on these boards. I enjoy other peoples' insights and opinions; hence why I visit these boards so much. I would just like a quick blurb from either or both of you about what you feel is wrong about the movie. I know everyone hates Eli Roth, but I liked the flick. Seriously. Just curious about your reasons. I am missing something glaringly obvious. I enjoy reading what both of you say many of these borads. If you decide to reply then I say thank you in advance.And to keep this post somewhat on topic, I loved Rocky Balboa but could pick it apart to no avail. I grew up on the Rocky films and therefore I am biased. I also grew up on Rambo and The Transformers. I am willing to throw away money on a matinee of Rambo IV/John Rambo, but I absolutely refuse to support Hasbro's/Bay's/Universal's TINO. Clearly I have no problem allowing Hollywood to insult my intellect with some of absolute guilty pleasure crap I enjoy, however there is a limit and TINO way past said limit. I still wish Rambo went back to the wandering loner a'la First Blood. The forgotten Montana Militia storyline could have been cool. Perhaps. Not sure about this one though. Thanks for reading.
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Wow. Sorry about all the bad grammar in the previous post.
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I just hope Rambo doesn't die. He's had a shitty life and to bring him back just to kill him would suck.
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He Who...I agree with you about the Montana militia storyline. I've seen these fucking backwoods hategroup militia folk myself and it would have given me great pleasure to see Rambo blow up a shitload of them.
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after seeing those pix, about Charlie Sheen bulking up for Hot Shots Part Deux. I'll have to check that out again to remember how they parody the Rambo flicks...
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Killed by chicken...not a pretty sight.
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...but I know that a lot of my frustration with Cabin Fever resulted from the way it was touted on these boards and its failure to live up to the expectations that hype created.I actually blame Harry most for that, as he was the one trumpeting Roth as guy who had reinvigorated horror. I knew Harry was prone to hyperbole and had demonstrated, at times, questionable taste, but he had the momentum of a lot of people agreeing with him and I went into Cabin Fever fully expecting something revolutionary and truly scary.Instead, it was as if I were watching a movie made in a single afternoon by a bunch of drunk/stoned frat brothers who had access to a digital camera, someone's cabin and enough beer to bribe the locals to say something(anything, really) for their project.I can't imagine there was an actual script (as that would make it even worse) but the dialogue was banal to the point of mind numbingness and the characters were clearly there for the explicit purpose of being killed off (i.e. no development whatsoever). The acting didn't help to get me to care about any of those kids. And the shots were framed in a way that indicates purely two-dimensional directive thinking (I know movies are a 2d medium, but there are ways to create the illusion of immersiveness and Roth demonstrated no understanding of or facility with these techniques).All of that said, Cabin Fever could have been a fairly entertaining "Student Bodies"-esque spoof of a horror film, were it not for the obvious conceit of the director. Roth thought he was making a darned scary horror film with comedic undertones when, really, the only scary thing about the movie was that he thought the introduction of himself as the wandering guitar dude with the really good weed who all the chicks want to get with was going to come across as anything but wish personal (and uninteresting) wish fulfillment. The premise, while interesting and topical (in this age of bio warfare and epidemic fears) was ultimately wasted on this movie.Oh...and the pancakes thing. Was that supposed to be funny?Anyway, I don't mean to sound flippant or mean, but the movie was so very, very not what I was led to believe it would be.I understand that there are people who celebrate gore for its own sake (no other redeeming features required) and I suppose it might've struck a chord with them. I also understand that getting drunk/high and seeking out the most laughably bad movie experience available can be a very enjoyable thing. But I rarely want to watch one of those movies sober or more than once.
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Maybe the blue rifles you saw are those funky new BluRay rifles. As for killing Rambo off, maybe he'll want to die. War kicks ass, but it gets old fast. Especially when your side isn't right. But please God, I beg you, no more cartoonish Russian generals like Rambo II and III.
And hey, is it just me, but is the guy who played Rocky's lawyer in Rocky V also the head of the Philadelphia Boxing Commission in Rocky Balboa? I could swear it is. -
My research at imdb reveals that James Binns is the actor who plays Rocky's lawyer in Rocky V as well as the boxing commish in Rocky Balboa who wants to deny Rocky's application for a license. I take it they're the same actor, but not the same character, right? I mean, I can't imagine Rocky's former attorney heading up the boxing commission and wanting to deny is most famous former client a license? Man, I'm a geek for even noticing this. Someone send me a prize now. Hey, maybe James Binns will show up in Rambo IV as a travel agent or something. "Just what passport do you THINK you're referring to?"
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...for our country to love us as much as we...love it.
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Peter Jackson for JLA. On topic... Waiting for trailer.
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Thanks for that i.e. taking time to share something off topic. I cannot argue what say nor should anyone. Point taken. I see that. I was oblivious to the build up of this film. I saw it as a comedy so I guess I am retarded. I am a gorehound as some say. It's a funny and mindless film to me. If I were privy to all the build up that you mention then I would have been furious as well. That sounds simply audacious. Simply put, much as I enjoy the film it re-invents and/or invents nothing. It's a stupid and funny flick and I maintain that opinion. No wonder people hate the film and Roth. Thanks again. Take it light and keep it tight.
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then you suck!
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All he wanted wuz somethin' ta eat, but that king-shit cop had to keep pushin'.
In other news, check out the Hasbro action figures for venom and sandman. You might want to get some jerk-off spittle on your palm all ready to go.
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stallone vs schwarzenegger. HAS TO HAPPEN
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although arnie was an american president in that movie...maybe he was corrupt. a clone was in power for a while and.....ah forget it. we'll never get that dream movie-unless inglorious bastards ends up actually starring willis, stallone and schwarzenegger.
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I'm gonna support this one, I think the man has earned it. Rocky Balboa could have been an abortion of epic proportions, but instead he put his whole ass into it and knocked it right out of the park. Rocky is a stronger character and the story resonated better considering Stallone's career path, but because he did such a good job with it, I'll donate my 11 bucks to the cause and let him try to surprise me with Rambo. If he sticks closer to First Blood than Rambo III, we may just get out of this thing in one piece.
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Because when you wake up, and walk outside your house and you are not eatin by dinosaurs or shot by John Rambo you should silently thank Chuck Norris for killing them off.
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...has been extended into his 60s! Did anyone else cringe when they viewed these pictures? ... ... ... ... ... Ewwwww.
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Are some of you seriously going to downplay "John Rambo" just based on a couple of pictures? I think Stallone deserves the benefit of the doubt. He created Rambo (David Morrell's character was very different in the book) just like he created Rocky, and he knows what he is doing. "Rocky Balboa" was a great film, and Stallone seems to be in the right state of mind to make a solid finale. If you can't accept Stallone as Rambo, then why should any of you accept Ford as Indiana Jones again, or Willis as John McClane? If Stallone made most of us eat our words with "Rocky Balboa," then he deserves the benefit of the doubt.
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http://screenrant.com/archives/iron-man-desert-set-photos-626.html
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Mar 26, 2007 2:28:06 PM CDT
Why can't Rambo just rent an apartment in the midwest?
by gibsonusa returns
Live in a small town, do his own thing....whats wrong with that? :)
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Of course he's going to die, it's a natural progression of the character and it's pretty unlikely that Sly will be up for another Rambo.
What better way to go, thrown off a waterfall in his wheelchair and slippers!
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Well, that sort of illustrates my point, namely that when Snake was left to his own devices, he just went with what he liked. Later in the film he gets outfitted by The Man and things take a different turn. Rambo is a dinosaur in the same way.
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In the B.O. jungle, right? And the BODYCOUNT will be... IS IT POSSIBLE TO OVERKILL KILLS? Think! Talk back.John Rambo: The Last RoundI liked Rocky Balboa O.K. Still, feeling that John Rambo delivers more, K.O. or not.
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Absorb a million bullets, give the middle finger, then fall!! (jk)
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Cobra 2: Cobretti's Kin
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Bless you Michael Bay
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Damn you Michael Bay
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I'll get back to you on the issue of Cabin Fever tomorrow, as I have pressing matters in the gray, sordid box called reality to attend to at the moment.
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I can see rambo with a bangkok hooker, thus creating a rambo child and extending the series for the future....Rambo 5:Rebirth...starring...John Cena as rambos kid
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...Son of Rambo film:Ramboy: Me Love You Long Time.
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Rambo 5: The Vanilla Gorilla VS General Tso
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Stop naming yourself after me plisskenman. You fag. I'd eat Rambo's mullett for lunch and Rocky's trunks for dinner. I'll fuck Stallone in his little shriveled up raisin sack til I shoot my spooge out his 'roid- ravaged peckerhole. Then I'm comin' after Chuck Norris.
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Coming after, or on Chucky?
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with your Jack Bauer Power Hour bullshit. Sounds like a damn social activism variety show. Chuck will feel my foreskin against his beard and moustache before this is all over.
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Foreskin, Im so sorry to hear that you still have yours on..I have been plisskenman for 9 years now and damn proud of it. Fag?? 1..its YOU who said "I'll fuck Stallone in his little shriveled up raisin sack til I shoot my spooge out his 'roid- ravaged peckerhole" I on the other hand have 2 steady fine college bitches for girlfriends. So..please keep that shrink wrap on your shrimp and keep wet dreaming junior.
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Chevy Chase in Funny Money??? thats funny man..gee can't wait to get that DVD..haha. my vote for worst movie of 2007, and it hasnt even come out yet. I wonder who chase conned to make that movie. it must have been his steller performance in that law and order episode that sold that shit.
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keep the turtleneck on at all times. Even Sly knows that. So you have 2 girlfriends? Do they know that? I bet you aren't man enough to face their wrath. And you call them bitches. Real men aren't afraid to be respectful toward women, which includes NOT having more than one girlfriend at a time. And real men don't visit the same websites for 9 years, unless it's to check up on their stock portfolio or make reservations for a soothing rub-down from a Thai hooker or to masturbate to pictures of Goldie Hawn. And if you have a problem with me powerfucking Stallone's genitals until he ejaculates MY semen out of his own cock, then you just don't understand what true power is.
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Damn you Michael Bay
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Mar 26, 2007 4:38:48 PM CDT
Re: It will be interesting to see Stallone direct this
by abcdefghijklmnop
According to Kurt Russell, Sly has already directed Rambo. Not only that, but he's directed the franchise's biggest hit, Rambo 2. Sly allegedly hired George P. Cosmatos to do nothing more than simply shoot whatever Sly would tell him. When Kurt needed a director for Tombstone, Sly suggested he use Cosmatos and do the same. Didn't anyone ever wonder why Rambo and Cobra were so similar to Sly's style, or how someone like Cosmatos could've turned out a film as respected as Tombstone? Is the story true? Who knows. But for the full interview, google "kurt russell ghost directed tombstone".
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Atleast I have 2 girls to talk about, unlike you who probabaly has an inflatable anna nicole smith blow up on your mattress to glaze all over. Its great to hear of somebody caring so much about stallone's cock, maybe you should inject him some roids sometime and ass slap him too since thats what its seems you're into.
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Nighthawks 2 coming soon, starring..Stallone..a cane walking Billy Dee.
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Sylvester. Noone has ever been able to fill action star role since you left dude.
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...with Rocky Balboa. Initially, I wasn't expecting much from it at all. It gave me an excuse to give ABking a good ribbing every once in a while and I knew I'd eventually see it (most likely on TNT).But then I hear a bunch of folks whose opinions I usually respect (I won't go casting blame witht he naming of names) talking very enthusiastically about it and some of them were even throwing around words like "artistic." So I allowed myself to get a little pumped about it. Then my wife called me fromt he video store and said she'd heard good things about it, too, so I did my best Stallone and told her: "Go for it."I accepted a lot of the hokem and the repeated rapings of Adrian's corpse (okay, those were figurative rapings) and the ham-fisted writing (seriously, the only good dialogue in that picture was Pauly's) because I was sure the ending would pay it all off. Then the ending was as trite and contrived as humanly possible (why in the world did we need that flash-cut, self narrated monologue at the end of the fight? Did he really think we were going to forget the totally out-of-character speech he gave his son?). And I even put off total condemnation of the thing until after watching the alternate ending (surely, I thought, this was the payoff I'd been looking for...the justification of my years of defending Stallone as an underrated writer).I guess I should count myself fortunate they didn't go with that alternate end. Because if Rocky had actually won the fight, my fucking head would've exploded.Maybe I just demand too much from my movies?
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http://tinyurl.com/2fr8ks He mentions the movie and how they'll try to echo the first one's score. He sounds like a huge Goldsmith fan, so I guess they'll be using his theme at least. But it's probabily up to Sly anyway.
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Anyone who doesn't get the origins of that handle has no opinion worth reading.
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I hope they go all macho on the trailers and dialog. Of course, there is no way they could ever top this exchange from Rambo III. Russian Colonel: "Who do you think this man is? God?" Colonel Troutman: "No. God would have mercy. He won't."
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I just noticed that you already used that title in an above post.
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please, please, please, please, please, please, please make it and call it "Angelo 'Snaps' Provalone"
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This time it's up to geritol, depends & ensure.
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i didnt even know they were this far into production. RB was fuckn awesome so im hopin sly can pull this one off too.
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...when are the movies called Machine Gun Joe Viterbo, Gabe Walker and Raymond Tango gonna be released? You ain't gettin' any younger you know Sly!
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Stop hating until you see an actual trailer fuckers. I'd rather see any Stallone movie than a movie with today's so called tough guys. By the way, it's been known that Sly has been tested before and the other fool got stomped on so I don't think a fucker talking shit by using a computer ain't shit to begin with. U know who you are. Sly would shove you back up your mom's snatch. BEEEEEATCH!
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Mar 26, 2007 8:31:02 PM CDT
Not to mention Judge Ardonis Herbert Jules Dredd esq.
by seppukudkurosawa
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"Do we get to win this time, Senator Clinton?"
"No. We're cutting off your funding because we hate President Bush and the military more than we love our country. It's over, Johnny. It's OVER!"
"NOTHING IS OVER! NOTHING!"
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why of all things would that carry over from the old movies - is the 80s mullet rambos trademark - his hair of choice - he looks silly - especially at his age - and he hasnt gone gray yet - rambo should crop it short - like a real soldier - and stop reaching for the hair dye - i cant take this seriously - and the idea that this is supposed to have some human rights "message" - come on
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bush loves our country so much hes willing to bankrupt it and continually feed its soldiers into a meat grinder - all in order to "liberate" a part of the world that was better off (and safer) under the thumb of a sawed off dictator
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It's unwise of me to tread in this water, however I 100% agree with you brother. Well put and succinctly at that.
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I was referring to your 08:43:00 PM post.
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More people would complain if he had short hair. Also, he's living in a monestary in Thailand....no convenient Hair Cutterys you know. You'd think him working day to day, his hair would get long. Also, Rambo's probably used to it that way. I see old people with out-of-style haircuts all the time LOL. I always see these grey, middle aged men cruising in their Corvettes wearing sleeveless jean jackets and stuff like that. Its what they're used to.
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...why the pass for him on his obvious Steroid abuse and use of HGH. For a man of his age to have that kind of physique is ridiculous and certainly not natural. I dig the guy, but with the amount of shit he's probably pumping into his body, it feels a bit disengenuous to anoint him a saint since a) those drugs are illegal without a prescription and b) it sends a shitty message to youth which is "take shortcuts and disregard the future."
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im not sure - but i think monks in thai monestaries shave their heads - Arnold Shitzembigger, i agree... whats the deal with all that - its not a big news story - i saw this old doctor on 60 minutes who took hgh on regular basis - he gives it to his patients - this guy looked 80 yrs old from the neck up, but his torso was like king kongs and ripped - not normal at all
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Everyone's going to snicker at it for copying the idea for "ROCKY BALBOA". JUst call it Rambo 4.
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"Murdock...I'm comin' ta get prune juice."
"Rambo--What mean 'constipated'?"
"John I told you I'd do what I could to get you out of this place. The Golden Slumbers Home for the Aged and Chronically Bewildered. The special forces don't forget their own. Unless, of course, they can no longer remember to."
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It's a worse problem for me in sports too. I experimented briefly with steroids back in the late 80's (most did) to try and make it to college football. The stuff works for sure. Thankfully, I ran out of points and never took it again and ended up getting to college anyway. I'm glad I didn't become dependent on it for sure because of the health issues of unnaturally taxing your body like that over time. MLB is perhaps the worst of the offenders as the ownership and brass basically said, "go become human experiments and see how far medical enhancement can take you." That is a really F'd up message to send to youth. If there's one thing we Americans are good at it's cheating. But I digress...
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with his own bitch tits.... All that testosterone Sly is taking is making his body kick in extra estrogen so he's got gynoclomastia.....
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I would love to see John Rambo revisit the town from the first movie (even if it's just a pass through), and have old characters re-emerge. The formula worked for Rocky Balboa, and I was hoping Stallone would do a touch of that for Rambo 4. But it looks to be a brand new setting.
The thing I am worried about from these pictures is that....um, to be honest....they look like shots from a Steven Seagal direct-to-DVD movie. Well....DON'T THEY??
They have GOT to bring back the theme music from Rambo II. THEY HAVE TO. It's a differentiating factor. And they have to have a helicopter scene. EVERY RAMBO HAS A HELICOPTER SCENE....PERIOD!! :P -
is that rather than try to recapture what made the first one (first blood) so good, theyre making another "rambo" sequel - or so it appears - i see rambo in a jungle with his mullett and headband - and "asian" looking soldiers for him to fight - it wouldve been cool if the plot and setting for this were to come out of left field - surprise us why dont ya
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But was never a Rambo fan. I'll still give the film a chance though. I can't wait for the next Stallone answer session that'll make us fall in love with the guy all over again..
I would have liked to see Sly do a "Dirty Dozen" style Rambo though, teaming up some of the best/worst old action movie guys next to the young ones. Chuck Norris ( in the Lee Marvin role), Van Damme,Wesley Snipes,Ice T, and The Rock as Rambo's long lost son, Skip!
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Rambo 4: Bitch Titty Milkers....open mouth..col. trautman...squirrt...murdock........squirrt..afghan boy..squirrt....vietnamese whore...squirrt....
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But I still wouldn't mess.
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We all know a Victory II sequel is coming!!and we can bring back Pele and Micheal Caine. this time they are POW's in a Viet cong camp and the only way to victory is a soccer match against the Viet Cong all stars!!!
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and Jerry Goldsmith has passed away...
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will John Rambo wreck the series? Of course not Rambo 3 was terrible, Rambo: First Blood Part 2 was poor. Only the original is a good movie. I thought Rocky Balboa was okay but i won't see this. Stallone was never better than in Copland he took a right step there, he's done little but take wrong steps since. Oh well.
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*Spolier* Rambo gets shot in the shoulder. The Sly Q&A should be fun : )
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It's a shame, I like Sly from what I know from his interviews, talkback session on here etc but unlike Balboa this looks a bit shoddy.
I know we are used to the 'mullet' but come on, it's many years since in the life or Rambo, he's human, he gets grey, he changes his hairstyle etc etc etc.
Holding him in this time void just seems too extreme, I know he's in the Thai jungle and hairdressers are not on every corner but he must have seen some elements of the outside world while working there.
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Aside from our differences regarding Rocky Balboa and ROTS, the esteemed Mr. Roland and I are virtually in complete agreement when it comes to Tarantino and Roth, and as much as 90-95% in agreement over Shyamalan. In other words, there is nothing in CR’s post relating to Cabin Fever which I disagree with. In fact, I endorse every word of it. Still, there are one or two things I would like to add which pertain to Roth’s film. The entire experience of watching it was, needless to say, wretched from start to finish. It was neither funny, scary, exciting, innovative or good/bad enough to make the cut as a guilty pleasure. The continuity and editing felt like they had been overseen by the Memento guy, but that was not nearly as aggravating and infuriating as the script and the “characters”. Cabin Fever is the cinematic equivalent of an obnoxious, punchable, 14-year-old talkbacker desperately and repeatedly trying to coin AICN catchphrases which are so poor that nobody will pick up on them, yet he insists he’s funnier and more clever than everyone else. I don’t feel fucked over by the endorsement of the film since I didn’t pay any attention to it before seeing the movie, so if there’s one thing Cabin Fever did well, it was earning my enduring hatred all on its own.
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Since you once pointed me to Frontline's "The Lost Year in Iraq"...have you read Jeremy Scahill's writeup on private contractors in Iraq providing security? There's an article in The Nation (4/2/07) that is an excerpt from his new book Blackwater. Some very disturbing stuff.
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Err, that wasn't me, although I do think I was part of that particular debate -- and no, I haven't read that writeup, I'm afraid.
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Mar 27, 2007 7:34:24 AM CDT
Did they ever shoot that suicide ending on First Blood?
by thenorthlander
If they did, they could use that footage at the end of this one. Right at the very end, we see that parts 2, 3 and 4 were just hallucinations before his suicide in First Blood. Seriously, that would put an interesting spin to the franchise.
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Jacob's Ladder or The Jacket.
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better than Hostel though. Mind you, almost everything is better than Hostel. Hostel was said 14 year old Talkbacker getting access to a very large STEREO and playing god-awful music loud enough to make the earth fold in on itself.
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You'll get no argument from me on that one.
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Yes, they filmed the suicide ending. It's included as an extra on the "First Blood Ultimate Edition" DVD. Does anyone else think the picture shown above (with the soldiers shooting in the woods) looks like little toy army men? Anyhoo, like Rocky, there's no way around not addressing Rambo's age in this. I think a few wisecracks and humorous mutterings-under-breath about how he's getting too old for this shit are called for. You simply cannot play this straight.
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where's fisky when we need him? this makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.I haven't actually seen Rocky Balboa yet, as the whole premise put me off, and I am going to ignore this as well. Maybe Stallone will retire now he has this whole drug smuggling thing to be dealing with.
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Of course we're in agreement -- after all, you, Roland and I are the same person.
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I think I picked the wrong day to stop sniffing glue...
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I really like that one and it's been ages since I watched it. I thought Rocky Balboa was great, but then I'm a very nostalgic person and having Rocky revisit all the places from Rocky 1 in the beginning is what won me over. Maybe Rambo will do the same?
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or alternatively, Jarv.looks like it is time to change my meds again.
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You just end up mistaking TB'ers for other ones...or perhaps think you are all of them?Oh look, glue..
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class of TB'er called a "mod". These mythical entities have the power over the rest of us (what power? I hear you ask- well, no-one knows- it's that mysterious), and exist solely to torment and oppress those that would speak the truth, forcing us to pointlessly blog on my-space and update pages of drivel blaming DocPaz and the rest (who are all one and the same) for not letting us spout spurios rubbish on AICN. that little insight into the mixed-up crazy world of Zfisk/Homewrecker is bought to you by LITHIUM: HELPINg YOU BE STABLE!
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I came up with a nice addition to the Rambo storyline that might help bring the saga full-circle, as Trautman would say. The key would be to have one of the young soldiers Rambo helps out be the son of Delmore Barry--Rambo's 'nam buddy who died from agent orange (as revealed at the beginning of First Blood). You all know it rocks. Go ahead Sly, use it. I friggin'love you.
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The UE version of "First Blood" also includes a deleted flashback sequence where Rambo's stuck in the mine, and he's remembering some stuff from 'Nam, and there's a love sequence where he tags some asian beauty. You can see why they chopped it. It would have been totally outta place. As for the suicide ending, they did not shoot it as described in David Morrell's book. It's ah, a little different, but I won't spoil it. Also, there's a deleted ending where Rambo and Teasle face off at the police station at the end, but instead of shooting each other they drop their guns and have a Stompkata dancing match.
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are they mythical creatures like a unicorn (they sure are purty!) or more like Galactus, trying to devour the truth?
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it's that damn mysterious.
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After Stallone finishes with Rambo IV, I want him to march into Tehran and rescue the 15 UK soldiers being held hostage by Iran's Revolutionary Guards. It could be Stallone's new reality tv show and we get to see him really opening a can of whoop-ass on Iran. In fact, why not get Hulk Hogan to go with him. I'm sure they could sort out the middle east between them.
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the truth is out there...
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since it's so mysterious, perhaps an X-fle...fucking glue.
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fuck Hulk Hogan. Stallone and Chuck Norris, man. yeah.
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and david hasselhoff.
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...about what might have made Rocky Balboa a better movie (all those points which you feel were in need of development I agree on or feel warranted ejection from the story entirely), but I chalked up more of the film's flaws to out and out bad writing, both of story and dialogue.Rocky didn't speak like any Rocky we've ev er met before. He spoke like a random inspirational speech generator (which is pretty impressive, considering he was borderline brain damaged when last we left him).And while Foreman did, indeed, win a fight in his 50s, Foreman wasn't a.) brain damaged, and b.) effectively blind in one eye as a result of taking repeated, unprotected shots to the face for five previous movies (if you look at old Foreman tapes, he was an incredibly defensive fighter, using his guard arm like a windshield wiper...brilliant, actually).As for the repeated rape of Talia/Adrian's image, if she was going to play such an integral role in the film's story, why not just hire the actress to film some flashback sequences instead of cribbing her image a'la Brando for Superman Returns? And why not craft an ending that resonated more with her inclusion (the theatrical ending shows Rocky essentially saying so-long because he's found meaning for his life again -- I got the distinct impression he wouldn't be hanging around her graveside so often anymore and might've driven right over to the hostess' house for a quick bang after leaving the cemetery).All of that said, I'm perfectly fine with hating the film as opposed to just finding it imperfect. I think that's an appropriate emotion for something with such potential for me to love it (really, there were the makings of a much better film in there had Stallone hired a better writer) but that utterly disappointed me throughout my relationship with it. I'm cool with feeling differently about it than you do.
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...I think it's important that we distinguish between Roth and Tarantino (or Shyamalan) in that I believe Tarnatino has tremendous potential as a writer (and Shyamalan as a director), but is hamstrung by his own conceit. Roth has all that conceit, but none of the potential. And Hostel was truly, truly worthless. Even as torture porn.
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Tarantino writes, Shayalaman directs and Roth fetches lunch. works for me.
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Agreed, and I believe we've discussed as much on at least one occasion. On a side note: if your brother indeed does decide to unleash The Touch, I hope it's the youtube version, complete with a few plaintive "YEAH!"s.
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good director when his excesses are kept under control. For example, I struggle to think of a leaner, tauter film than Reservoir Dogs. However, as his ego has spiralled and he has gained more control he has started to produce lengthier and lower in quality films. It is similar to the way that JK rowling seems to desperately need an editor (or someone to tell her that she is padding her novels out).
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Yeah, the commentary on that was awesome, and another example of just how intelligent and business savvy Sly is (prior to his visit on AICN talkbacks in December). He talks about the stunts, the other cast members, filming in Hope (British Colombia), and the legacy of Rambo. And yeah, the love scene would have worked only if Rambo killed the girl after, or stabbed her and shaved some meat off her thigh to cook it. The best flashback in the movie that was left in was the one that wasn't shown--at the end when Rambo talks about "this bar in Saigon, and there was this shoe shine boy, he said 'shine please, shine'...."
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I found this still-shot from what will apparently be one of the first action sets in the movie. I don't know about you, but this reeks of gratuitous violence.
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...writers and directors are prematurely heralded as the next coming of Scorcese or Kubrik or Hitchcock after their first taste of critical and box office success. It works against them in a number of ways.First, as Lost Prophet points out above, they start to believe they can do no wrong. This happened to Tarantino (and Shyamalan). Reservoir Dogs is a top five film for me. But it's mostly because of the way it's written. I think that script pretty much directs itself (and could be performed on one set as a school play by some talented junior high schoolers without losing a whole lot). Tarantion wrote the hell out of those characters and dialogue (even if he didn't come up with the story idea himself), and that's why he was able to direct it so masterfully. So, suddenly, a great writer believes he is also a great director when the second thing really only happened because of the first.But, even if the film maker's ego doesn't start writing checks his talent can't cash, there is the problem of following up a highly successful film. That's not as easy to do as one might hope. Look at Stallone. He wrote an amazing story in Rocky. He was able to draw that story out for an acceptable sequel. Then he turned in several thinly disguised rewrites of the same story for the next three films. Then he tried to get very creative while revisiting what made the original so successful (I'll go ahead and concede that his last attempt with the character did resonate with a lot of folks, but it still disappoints the hell out me...much like the Star Wars prequels). As it turns out, Stallone really only had the two stories to tell well. Rocky's tale of perservearance and personal triumph and Rambo's tale of maladjustment and a personal quest for peace. He conveyed that second tale beautifully in First Blood. Gave it the obligatory Hollywood action-style "happy ending" in the sequel, and then proceded to destroy the foundations of the character while turning him into something there was no way he'd become in any reality.Sometimes having a brilliant moment only sets one up for repeated future disappointments.Of course, if everyone in Hollywood always played to their strengths and lived up to their potential, these talkbacks would be a lot less fun.
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Baad camerawok!
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...First Blood director filmed "Uncommon Valor" the year after FR. You'll recall Uncommon Valor was friggin' awesome. But then Kotcheff seemed to digress, and he directed a bunch of episodes of "Red Shoe Diary," which was a soft-porn show on cable TV in the 1990s. I'd think more highly of him if it had been torture porn. What's strange is that the plot "Uncommon Valor" is much the same as "Rambo II"
Here's another action still from the new movie, and again I must iterate that this over-the-top kind of violence is just uncalled for
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Mar 27, 2007 11:06:47 AM CDT
Whatever parts of Kill Bill you think should be chopped
by beastmanseventy
Those are the very favorite moments for the fans. I know people who didn't like Tarantino before Kill Bill, but now wouldn't drop a second of that movie. It's style, but like the spaghetti westerns, it's style based in substance. The two don't contradict each other, they NEED each other to exist.
There's only been one Tarantino movie since Jackie Brown, and that was Kill Bill (Grindhouse ain't out yet). That's one movie, not a whole second half of a career.
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and they were on Sky every night. It starred David Duchovney, and was the lamest softest porn ever. Shit you not.
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Because toy soldiers are based on real soldiers, stupid. They didn't just pull those poses out of a hat.
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Have you action geeks heard this shit about MAD fucking MAX 4? The director GEORGE MILLER says he won't have MEL GIBSON, because the man's TOO OLD for the role...
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but Tarantino was under more control. For example, I remember seeing an interview (I think with Travolta) where he talked about how Tarantino had wanted the silent look between Mia and Vincent to last for about 5 mins, but wasn't allowed. However, now he would be allowed to do that. When I said Tight what I meant was that the pacing is more consistent-there are no slow wasted segments. I am sure it is down to the budget. I am not knowledgeable enough to say whether or not it was sloppily directed (although using an untrained eye I don't think it was, I also don't think Pulp was). Feel free to slate me.
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...anchorite. I dig it even more than Dogs (that's two films Tarantino's been involved with that are in my all-time top-five). I think it's a great example of what Tarantino's writing can do in the hands of someone far more focused on directing a movie than pieceing together a bunch of cool moments.Which brings me to Pulp Fiction. Even when it debuted I didn't like it as much as Dogs. Dogs is a purer film. Minimalist and razor sharp. Pulp is extremely self-aware and tries too hard in too many places. Tarantino was obviously testing out his directing skills and wanting to impress, but the characters come across as largely overwritten (almost as if he was distracted from this important part of the process) in comparison to Dogs (and Romance) and the story relies too heavily on the anachronistic structure for a kind of post-modern Robert Altman (a'la Short Cuts) effect that is, ultimately, pretty unfulfilling on subsequent viewings. Still a very cool movie, but not one of my favorites.I know QT's got fans of what has evolved into his "style" (really, he's become a 70s movie DJ, remixing and recombining beats from stuff he's seen into mix tapes), and that's cool. But I believe he'd be much better utilized as a writer for a director with original vision (like Shyamalan, who just happens to be hobbled by a near total lack of creativity and passion as a writer).
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that is all
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What the? Criticisms of Tarantino that are level headed and sincere? I'm too used to just seeing people go "He's a hack and a has been! LOLZ!"
When I saw Dogs and Fiction I thought "This guy's a great writer, but just competent as a director". After I saw Kill Bill, I realized he's also a great director. For all the stuff he swipes, Kill Bill is also full of new, never before seen concepts brought to the action scene. I don't even mind that he swipes techniques, Sergio Leone perfected the closeup, trying to top him would be an exercise in futility. The Shaw Brothers perfected the zoom-in, don't fix what ain't broken. You can't criticise a car for using the pre-existing wheel design that some caveman came up with, and the craftsmanship of movies is the same. There's craftsmanship when it comes to art, and craftsmanship comes down to what works and what doesn't work. The plot of KB may've been based on preexisting works, but it's more emotionally involving than any kung fu revenge movie that came before it. -
Heh, sorry, try this...
http://tinyurl.com/2q8okk
It doesn't bother me that my top secret identity has been revealed. I once used that as a TB name here, until I got kicked off for discussing bah-giners too much or something. Then, as Abom, I got rocked for overhyping the magic that is Cheadle. It's only a matter of time until Fecal Debris falls into my list of "used AICN names, do not use." -
"more emotionally involving than any kung fu revenge movie that came before it" is a bit of a stretch... Fist of Fury (Jing wu men, aka "The Chinese Connection" in the US) is tighter and better crafted for its time than Kill Bill is.
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Ok choice though for JR, Tyler Bates did a solid job of 300, though not much in the way of thematic motifs which Jerry's Rambo scores had in spades. Anyone else spot the near identical lift from the opening of Goldenthal's Titus score in 300? Might be attibutable to the 'temp', certainly fit like a glove. It'd be criminal not to use Rambo's signature theme and that cool driving ostinato hook for JR's last rumble in the jungle.
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...is what I was really looking for in Kill Bill (well, that and some brilliant characterization through dialogue, but I realized after part I that I wasn't going to get that). I just didn't feel anythign for any of those characters/caricatures, and that's a real rarity in a Tarantino-written film, at least for me. I really wanted to like Kill Bill. A lot. I just can't.
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Sly apparently said that there wouldnt be a new score and they would be reusing Goldsmiths music. I guess he changed his mind. Is Tyler Bates the guy that did the get carter remake? That was actually a good score as long as they re-use Jerry's theme I will be happy, but nothing will top the originals. First Blood is a fucking awesome score.
As for the haters, I guess the honeymoon period since Rocky Balboa is over. Rambo is gonna kick ass. And I very much doubt John Rambo is the final title, i think its a rumour that got out of control.
Also regarding the DVDs of Rambo, are the ultimate editions different from the box set Artisan did a few years ago? I already have that and the release of First Blood they did prior to that, please dont tell me I have to buy them again!? -
so I am in no position to comment at all, but I really don't see why Rambo would still have the same hairstyle that he did in the 80s.
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What are you, a commie athiest pinko bastard or something?
As for Rambo's hair, some have argued that it WOULD be the same hairstyle because Rambo was so inward and unheeding to social norms, that yes, he would have left it long. But this overlooks the fact that his hair was never all one length; he had a mullet. Which means at some point, he gave a barber explicit instructions to cut his hair so that it would be all business up front, and a party in the back. And if Rambo did that, then there's no excuse for not knowing that mullets went out of style the day that one pretty guy on Beverly Hills 90210 grew a hockey haircut. -
Its just long and what wrong with that? The guy likes his hair long.
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get that botched sex change operation! Damn Thailand docs!
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To be honest I find Pulp to be more entertaining and "fun" then Reservoir Dogs. But I agree that Reservoir is a better film - perhaps a tad over praised by some - but excelent all the same.
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I think you overestimate the skill required to cut a mullet. I'm convinced the original mullet (mulletus doublewideicus) was created by some toothless, Appalachian stumpjumper whose pickup broke down so he couldn't make it into town to see the barber. A dozen or so bottles of Milwaukee later, he said "fuck it" and broke out his pa's shears and went to work on himself. I think Rambo similarly just cuts enough hair to keep it out of his eyes and shoulder-length in the back just because it's easy.
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Welcome back, panterarocks / BroncoFan / Nintendo / LandoAsskissian / Powermetal1.
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glad to see the stereoids isn't giving you a hard time keeping the agression in check...
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was poeticwarriorI your father? - i shudder to think at what poeticwarriorIII will turn out like - you are one red white and blue phenom - so america is too bullied and steroids are safe? - i bet youre a creationist too - we (usa) are at the very least "just as" corrupt as other (weaker) nations - the problem there is we shouldnt be - we should be the standard by which all others are judged - we tout ourselves as such but never live up to the brag - and the reason some guys have survived steroid use was that they knew when to quit - and as far as we know guys like arnie and ventura might in fact have some problems due to their past juicing - they just keep that shit a secret - didnt arnie get a pig valve put in his heart?
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...Doc P., I think you're right!Wasn't this same assclown "poetwarrior" at one time? Or was it warrior poet? I guess it dooesn't matter as he was clearly neither.
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Mar 27, 2007 4:01:23 PM CDT
Don't you fools comprehend the tactical significance of
by snake foreskin
a mullet? You need your hair cut short around your eyes so you can see your surroundings (the better to PowerFuck™ your enemy in his scrotal sack until your own spooge erupts from his peckerhole©). You keep it long in back to protect your neck from Transvestite Hooker hickeys. And vampires. Amateurs!
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Except for the pussy ones like Steve McQueen and Lee Marvin. Even Arnold had a mullet in Conan the Barbarian. Or was it all one length? Must have been the Barbarian Brothers I was thinking of then. They're better actors anyway. Where was I? Oh yeah. Only pussies die of cancer. Just like Steve McQueen and Lee Marvin. What? Lee Marvin died of a heart attack? That's what they want you to think. He may have died of a heart attack, but it was caused by cancer. Pussy.
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No Gibson, but praise the almighty allah because he will be replaced by the Icon.. Paul Walker....hahahahha
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Will he wave bye-d-bye to them what he birthed?
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someone give me some creatin and some protein shakes and a needle full of steroids!!! i want to be just like my idol
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You should be ashamed of yourselves.
We all were worried about what Rocky Balboa was going to be like when we got to the theater. And most of of us were pleasantly surprised. I don't think any of us thought it was going to be that good. Now fast forward a few months and we've all gone back to doubting? Come on. This is the perfect character to have come back at this time in the world. Think about it. And if you don't think Stallone knows what he's doing at this point, then I have to assume you haven't been paying attention. -
what exactly is the appeal of the Rambo character? it's a guy who lives in the jungle, then he's talked into doing some killing, then he goes back to the jungle. Rocky had tons of appeal; he's an underdog. Rambo is just a killing machine. unless they put him up against the Predator or Jason Vorhees or the shark from Jaws or Dr Evil or something there really is no new ground for him to tread is there? or at least put him back in Afghanistan (didn't he help put the Talibans in power?)
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Let's put everyone on the juice and HGH. Let's see how far we can take the human race. We'll all be 7 foot 350lb muscled monsters. Hell, we'll be the next dinosaurs! Let's get on it!
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It all depends on what who dones the tell. You know, so that we 'membahs.
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...well then - so much for the whole "master race" theory - if im a sheep, youre a squirrell - ? - its not about being ashamed to be american - im not - i wouldnt want to live any where else - im ashamed of what our leaders and representitives do in the name of america - theyre giving america a bad name - misrepresenting what we are (or are supposed to) be all about - on you now - there is absolutely nothing "poetic" about you - and youre the type of "warrior" that would be quickly cut down in battle by his fellow troops - for being a liability - and youre a sequel at that - sequels are notoriously created primarily to profit from the notoriety of their progenitors - in other words - you are a lame ass - my advice to you - paste a picture of (president) bush's head on to a picture of arnie from his "pumping iron" days, lube up, and jack off to it until you fall asleep - god bless america
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but Lord he looks like Shemp Howard in those photos.
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I desire shooting explosive arrows on the Wii.
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needs to attend Jesus Camp. There you can pray and lay hands on a cutout of George W. Bush. It would help if you have a name like Levi too. Do you like to preach in front of large audiences? There's a bit of travel (Missouri, North Dakota to mention a few places), but I think you will be an enlightened sheep, er, sod layer.
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I think he lays more than just his hands on the Bush cutout he has in his gym. "Spot for me, Dubya! Gnnnnggnnhhh!!!"
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or else it would have been on my keyboard right about now.
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And JimmyJoeRedSky, allow me to virtually shake the hand of a man who understands what having pride in being an American should mean.Alas, our leaders have forgotten the faces of our forefathers.
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This song really should be in the opening scene of the upcoming movie! After all these years, Wayne Scott deserves recognition!
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BTW: Dredd, I know you dig your Jezza, I was referring to the AICN scribes :-)
With a score any where near as percussive and ballsy as 300 combined with Goldsmith's Rambo signature motifs it's got plenty of potential. Hoping Sly can bring something new to the action, he should go back the grit of First Blood for his style template, still the best of series IMHO. -
of important tactical significance; truly a reason to fear a pensionable Rambo!
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I can understand why he made Rocky Balboa, but I'm not sure why he is also bringing back Rambo. I hope Sly wrote a great script, or this will get laughed off the screen next summer.
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...it could work
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...left through the back door the moment someone mentioned One-Man Army was comming to the party.
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I wanna go to Jesus Camp.and then Weed Camp...and then Bitch Titty Camp...Hahahahhahaha
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