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Is Childs going to be the voice of Barricade in TRANSFORMERS?

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. Megatron being voiced by Hugo Weaving was not a rumor... I was able to get that confirmed through Dreamworks/Paramount. This being the weekend, I have not been able to run this rumor by anybody at either studio, but from the rumblings I've heard, this fits... and, it's just fuckin' cool... and the source would know what he/she/it's talking about. The word is that Keith David, of THE THING and THEY LIVE fame, has been cast to voice decepticon Barricade, the police cruiser. Which, I think, is fantastic casting. Keith David has a great voice and a lot of practice voicing cartoons and video games, so he knows how to bring real emotion into the recording booth. Plus he's just cool as shit. I hope this pans out. I'll put my feelers out and see if I can get this confirmed over the week. Keep it as a rumor, but a very interesting one, until then. If it does pan out, what are the odds of getting Barricade into a 7 minute long street fight with a Roddy Piper voiced autobot? "Put on the tinted windows!" "No!" And an under the belt shot... "Dirty muthafucka..."

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  • March 26, 2007, 1:59 a.m. CST

    Childs, Spawn, Gargoyles, They Live

    by Rearden

    My youth is painted in a heavy coat of Keith David. Awesome

  • March 26, 2007, 2:01 a.m. CST

    You mean it's not Julia Childs? Whew.

    by Boondock Devil

    Can't badmouth that casting at all. Keith David does that that badass voice to work with.

  • March 26, 2007, 2:04 a.m. CST

    Keith David - "She don't read too good no how"

    by SnakesOnABicycle

    (im paraphrasing) but should we really intrust such and "important" role to someone so stupid. And with that first quotation mark I meant un and with the second I meant meaningless... should anybody as stupid as Keith David try reading it none how.

  • March 26, 2007, 2:24 a.m. CST

    It's not out for the air

    by taintyourwagon

    bring on the double-dong

  • March 26, 2007, 2:28 a.m. CST

    You mean it's not Childe Roland!?!

    by glodene

    Damn! Just when i thought we could all rejoice in the fact that a local aicns' tb'er made good and escaped the cyber-ghetto called the internet.

  • March 26, 2007, 2:29 a.m. CST

    "You'd do it to your own kind..."

    by Charlie & Tex

    A very cool choice for the job. He's been a quiet, potent force in movies for donkey's ears, and it will be nice to be given a stretch with something other than military officers.

  • March 26, 2007, 2:29 a.m. CST

    Keith David is the MAN, man.

    by Tubbs Tattsyrup

    Platoon and The Thing nail it for me. When he was in Crash, it brought me some excitement in an otherwise dull film.

  • March 26, 2007, 2:31 a.m. CST

    Keith and Roddy Piper!

    by 12-GAUGE

    He was awesome in Carpenter's flicks, but let's not forget him kicking ass as the wise Muslim man in the Riddick movies! He's been in a lot, though, way past the 80s.

  • March 26, 2007, 2:39 a.m. CST

    Damn you Michael Bay


    Damn you Michael Bay

  • March 26, 2007, 2:39 a.m. CST

    Damn you Michael Bay


    Damn you Michael Bay

  • March 26, 2007, 2:43 a.m. CST

    there's something about keith

    by TheBort

    he was also v cool and damn funny in "there's something about mary". "is it the frank or the beans?"

  • March 26, 2007, 2:43 a.m. CST

    Transformers hate

    by T 1000 xp professional

    dying....dyingg....dyingg.... when everybody starts loving this movie, MCMLXXVII better stay.Gosh Darnit, I just can't quit you, roman numeral MCMLXXVII.

  • March 26, 2007, 2:45 a.m. CST


    by Cadillac Jones

    This, combined with Hugo Weaving = happiness. Definately makes up for the loss of Frank Welker.

  • March 26, 2007, 2:50 a.m. CST


    by Shermdawg

    JOSH HOLLOWAY FOR SOLID SNAKE!!!<br><br>*Logging off.*

  • March 26, 2007, 2:59 a.m. CST

    Y'know its gonna' happen...

    by Cadillac Jones

    So here's my dream cast for a GI Joe flick that could never-ever possibly happen: Duke - Edward Burns Flint - Hugh Jackman Scarlett - Nikki Cox Lady Jay - Ashley Judd Snake-Eyes - Ray Park Gung-Ho - Steve Austin Quickkick - Jason Scott Lee Cobra Commander - Gary Oldman Destro - Daniel Craig Baroness - Monica Belluci OR Catherine Zeta Jones Zartan - Cliff Curtis Ripper - Ewan Bremner Buzzer - Jason Flemyng Torch - Gerard Butler

  • March 26, 2007, 3 a.m. CST


    by darshn22

    Great voice! This would be awesome!

  • March 26, 2007, 3:04 a.m. CST

    Malibu Stacy with a new hat....

    by IndustryKiller!

    Remember that Simpsons episode where Lisa tries to take on the corporate makers of "Malibu Stacy" and all the company has to do to win back the idiot public back is sell the same shitty product with a new hat? That's what some of the above posts remind me of. What the hell is wrong with you people? Do you get off on being suckered? Is being gullible a fetish? Have you decided to love all studio bullshit or is your taste really that unfathomably bad? Keith David uttering a line or two and all of the sudden things are looking up? What the fuck? Are you really that easily pleased? When you actually have a leg to fucking stand on story or directing wise for this film let me know.

  • March 26, 2007, 3:05 a.m. CST

    Who the hell is Barricade?

    by ScarranHalfBreed

    Still, can't wait to see this.

  • March 26, 2007, 3:06 a.m. CST

    Andy Serkis for Starscream

    by Boondock Devil

    Can't take credit for that one though. Someone posted it during the Weaving talkback and I think it's a pretty damn good choice for Starscream.

  • March 26, 2007, 3:08 a.m. CST

    It's not the old Transformers, sure...

    by ScarranHalfBreed

    ...but if you want the old Transformers modernised, read the new Furman IDW comics - Infiltration, et al. I think we've all given up on the nostalgia kick this film won't be giving us, and will just be viewing it as a film with big robots in it. And that's fine with me.

  • March 26, 2007, 3:11 a.m. CST

    IndustryKiller - the movie can still suck horribly

    by Boondock Devil

    All I'm reading is mostly love for Keith David right now. This movie can still be horrible but it helps if you have David's pipes coming out of a giant killer robot.

  • March 26, 2007, 3:24 a.m. CST

    the thing

    by 1st and only

    weird.i always thought 't.k Carter' as nauls from the thing should have voiced a transformer.maybe that idiot bay got confused.....

  • March 26, 2007, 3:33 a.m. CST

    Keith was the voice of SPAWN if you can't remember..

    by Monkey_King

    He'd be great as Barricade. I'm hoping for Bernie Mac as the voice of Jazz.

  • March 26, 2007, 3:35 a.m. CST


    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    Keith is fantastic and delivers the greatest line ever in cinema history <P> "I know it pretty, baby...but I didnt bring it out for air"

  • March 26, 2007, 3:35 a.m. CST


    by wadi77

    First post as registered!!!

  • March 26, 2007, 3:36 a.m. CST

    Gilbert Gottfreid for Starscream. Perfect!!!

    by Monkey_King

    Digitally tweak his voice and He can sound like the late voice actor who played the Starscream/Cobra Commander of old.

  • March 26, 2007, 3:38 a.m. CST

    urkel for ratchet!

    by jingle_balls

    not that im whinging about keith david, he has a great voice, see halo 2. but i still reckon michael wincott would own barricade. has that necessary evil in his voice. he doesnt have that cowardness to be a starscream. he could still voice blackout perhaps. i think sam elliot would make a cool ironhide. why not have the rock as jazz? starscream maybe jeremy irons?

  • March 26, 2007, 3:39 a.m. CST

    Where's a live action Gargoyles movie?!!!

    by KiwiMetal

    Damn it! That is a classic cartoon , and I'm surprised Disney has sat on this franchise as long as they have.

  • March 26, 2007, 3:40 a.m. CST

    "Blair, Blair...

    by KnightShift

    " believe this voodoo bullshit Blair?"

  • March 26, 2007, 3:40 a.m. CST

    Damn You Rachael Ray, Damn You Brian May, Damn You.....

    by Darth Fabulous

    By The Bay...Damn You In The Hay...Damn You Bill Pay...Damn You You Don't Say...Damn You Billy Ray...Damn You Doris Day...Damn You Mary Kay...Damn You Fay Wray...Damn You Marvin Gay...Damn You Ricky Jay...

  • March 26, 2007, 3:47 a.m. CST

    Gilbert Gottfreid is Mum-Ra, not Starscream.

    by Shermdawg

    *Logging out.*

  • March 26, 2007, 4:18 a.m. CST

    Julia Child is the voice of...oh...oh, sorry...<NM>

    by Negative Man

  • March 26, 2007, 4:23 a.m. CST

    MCMLXXVI sucks cocks

    by bongo123

    nuff said really..

  • March 26, 2007, 4:35 a.m. CST

    Kieth David as Prime....

    by Bones

    had they not been able to get Cullen as Optimus Prime, Keith David was my number one choice to be Optimus. But, then they could just call him "Goliath, the Giant Truck Robot" and I'd be happy.<p> Although--outside of voice casting, I am not happy about anything else about this production...

  • March 26, 2007, 4:43 a.m. CST

    Jack in the Box for the voice of Perceptor!!!

    by Negative Man

    "Yeah, guys transform and roll out. Great. I'll just transform into my microscope form and...sit here. Waiting for whoever needs to look at something really tiny to slide cold slivers of glass onto my stage and adjust my iris diaphragm. How am I an Autobot again? Feel more like an Inanimateobjectobot. God I hate Bumblebee..."

  • March 26, 2007, 4:53 a.m. CST

    Robin Williams as ALL the characters

    by BannedOnTheRun

    I'm not gonna see it anyway, so why not? Besides, his gay/Latino schtick is hi-LAR-ious...funnier every time I hear it.

  • March 26, 2007, 5:11 a.m. CST

    this "movie"

    by datachasm

    will be all about cheap thrills and tears... just like Pearl Harbor and Armageddon. it will be like giving garlic to a vampire if you are a big fan. i imagine the only redemtion will be a cool robot flick... i have not seen cool robots since Sky Commander... which is about the only thing cool in that turd.

  • March 26, 2007, 5:13 a.m. CST

    oh yea...

    by datachasm

    but if Childs is in it i may go see it to see what he is up to... one of my favorites. he is great in just about everything he does, really liked The Thing and Platoon.

  • March 26, 2007, 5:28 a.m. CST

    I was going to say

    by Fried Gold

    they need more black voices for the evil robots. It's just missing some British evil-guy voiceovers now.

  • March 26, 2007, 5:42 a.m. CST

    Am I late?


    Where's the rum?

  • March 26, 2007, 6:12 a.m. CST

    Eminem for Iron Hide, David Hasselhoff for Grimlock

    by Optimus Murphy

    Ludacris for Ratchet, Robin Williams for Starscream.....

  • March 26, 2007, 6:17 a.m. CST

    Phil LaMarr for Jazz..

    by Spyhunter

    I hope so anyways. Such a great voice actor.

  • March 26, 2007, 6:23 a.m. CST

    I'm going to beat all the Transformers 'purists' with..

    by ApneicMonkey

    My own anal retention! The movie character designs should be based on the original toys - they came before the cartoon as any real fan should know. The Autobots should also be called the 'Cybertrons' and the Decepticons should be known as the 'Destrons' - those were their original names! Geez, while we're at it, Optimus Prime's name should also be changed to 'Convoy' as was his original Japanese incarnation name. I must be gullible and love having shit served to me because every bit of Transformers movie news that comes out sounds freakin' awesome! David Keith rocks!!!

  • March 26, 2007, 6:43 a.m. CST

    Frank Welker?

    by Dazzler69

    Can't he do any voice? Sheesh what a mistake.

  • March 26, 2007, 6:56 a.m. CST

    I too always thought that Keith David would have made..

    by Sledge Hammer

    ...a really great Prime, but they decided to go with the fanboy favourite with Cullen, and I'm okay with that too, but nonetheless it's still great to see that Kickass Keith David still scored a voice role in this one. He will own, as he always does, regardless of the film around him. I mean the man, sorry, I meant THE MAN, is definitely one of the most under appreciated character actors out there, has been for years and years now, and he's a guy that can effortlessly go from drama to hardass action to comedy with complete ease. Yes, Keith David is indeed THE MAN, and he definitely has a perfect voice for something like this.<p>As for other actors I'd like to see in this, I like the idea of Willem Dafoe for Starscream, Kiefer Sutherland for Ironhide, Peter Weller has a great voice for one of the new Decepticons, likewise Ian McShane. No idea who could play Jazz and embody that particular 'tude of his voice wise (that the late, great Scatman Crothers did so well), nor who would really be able to sell the empathy of Ratchet for that matter.

  • March 26, 2007, 7:03 a.m. CST

    Welker will supposedly voice somebody

    by TheSecondQuest

    Darkhorizons mentioned that Welker and Weaving were in "rumored competition for the Megatron role, but now tht Weaving is in as Megs, Welker will be voicing somebody else.

  • March 26, 2007, 7:39 a.m. CST

    MY CASTING CHOICE: Amanda Plummer = Starscream

    by stlfilmwire

    The original voice is no longer with us. How cool would it be to hear Honey Bunny as a Decepticon? Yes, I still rule... or at least my momma tells me I do.

  • March 26, 2007, 8:24 a.m. CST

    Michael Buffer

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    As RUMBLE. Get it? Ha, I kill me.

  • March 26, 2007, 8:47 a.m. CST

    Thanks, glodene. But, while you can take...

    by Childe Roland

    ...the talkbacker out of AICN, you can never take the AICN out of the talkbacker.<p>That's why, when I do get out of this place and make it to the big time, I'm bringing all of you with me. Yeah...even anchorite.

  • March 26, 2007, 8:48 a.m. CST

    Phil LaMarr

    by nemesisdarkside definately my favourite voice actor. He is awesome.<P>Keith David IS *THE MAN*! Loved the guy since THE THING and I've loved his voice-over work throughout the years. I'm liking the voice cast in this film, however I'm not sold. Not a G1 fanboy or anything, just the trailer did nothing for me and I can't imagine how this film is going to work in its present form. Will probably see it when it comes out as I fun braindead thrillride, but I'm not expecting much.<P>Also, if the film ends up being really successful I can just imagine the mass raping of 80's cartoons.<P>Hollywood: Please stay away from anime/manga! Please!!

  • March 26, 2007, 8:55 a.m. CST

    Damn You Macy Gray!!

    by nemesisdarkside

    Keith David gotta DRINK a beer and cheet on his electric bugaloo taint brother FIRST!!! = Flaming nipples on a Venomy PLANT that just got off the phone with TOO SOON torture porn!!<P>I think I've covered everything ;)

  • March 26, 2007, 9:12 a.m. CST

    Damn you, Michael Clarke Duncan.

    by MCMLXXVl

    Why didn't you volunteer to be the voice of Shia la Boeuf, Michael Clarke Duncan? Damn you!

  • March 26, 2007, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Keith David rocks...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...and this is a great casting choice for just about any Decepticon character.<P>But where's the King from Platoon love, yo????<P>"There is a way out of everything, man. Just keep your pecker hard and your powder dry and the world will turn."

  • March 26, 2007, 9:29 a.m. CST

    And I've been calling for Michael Ironside...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius Ironhide since they announced this movie. Good call, messi.

  • March 26, 2007, 9:30 a.m. CST

    How many MCMLXXVI imposters are there now?

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    I saw that some got the axe. Are there more bannings in store?

  • March 26, 2007, 9:32 a.m. CST

    An actor in two totally different movies

    by INWOsuxRED

    always has the same lines for the two completely different characters they portray, and the two totally different characters often act out entire scenes from other movies for no apparent reason.

  • March 26, 2007, 9:39 a.m. CST

    Favourite Keith David line ever...

    by TheAllSeeingEye

    From 'There's something about Mary' as her step-father<br><br>"Now exactly what the hell is the situation here? Did you shit yourself or something? "<br><br>I cannot listen to Keith David without thinking about that, totally ruined Halo 2 :D<br><br>As for Ironhide, i'd have thought they'd have used Cullen for him too since he voiced the cartoon Ironhide aswell.

  • March 26, 2007, 10:12 a.m. CST

    oh my God, Quint

    by BendersShinyAss

    I'm looking forward to this movie, but if they did what you just suggested I'd have to boycot on general principal that everyone was right and Bay really doesn't know transformers. But then again, transformers was a cheesy fucking cartoon. it was terrible. I loved it as did you, but there was only a couple memerable scenes. the rest was shyte. The movie looks great! So do the updated designs

  • March 26, 2007, 10:15 a.m. CST


    by Pound Sand

    Damn you Flavor Flav.

  • March 26, 2007, 10:39 a.m. CST

    Negative Man

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Thank you for that Perceptor inner monologue piece. You made me laugh during this oh so dreary day. Very witty.

  • March 26, 2007, 11:04 a.m. CST

    men @ work LOLZ

    by whatyoufear

    the commie bastard gets no food!!

  • March 26, 2007, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Mr. Ahole Ramierz

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Just for you brother. Love that movie except for the ending.<P> "Yeah, cop, I know you, man. I know what you're thinking. You're thinking, we've got us another crazy nigger here with a gun. Well, let me tell you something. Human life means very little to me at this point in time. You see, I thrive on misery. In the jungle, misery's all you got. But things are different back here in the world, or so they seem. Nobody wants to talk about pain and suffering. Everybody wants everything to be nice and civil. Well, OK then. Let's be nice; let's be civil. And let's drop those guns before I pull this trigger and change the way you feel about me. "<P>Oh, and Mr. Nice Gaius - King was brilliant. Loved that character.

  • March 26, 2007, 11:08 a.m. CST


    by reckni

    Loved him in Requiem for a Dream. Ass to ass.

  • March 26, 2007, 11:10 a.m. CST


    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I am pleased to see you kept your word and adopted FuckSpoon as an insult to sling at knuckleheads. Nice.

  • March 26, 2007, 11:37 a.m. CST


    by PwnedByStallone

    Never give up. Don't ever give up.

  • March 26, 2007, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Damn you Frito Lay!

    by PwnedByStallone

    Doritos makes us fat.

  • March 26, 2007, 12:13 p.m. CST


    by finky089


  • March 26, 2007, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Keith David shines in every role he plays.

    by ExcaliburFfolkes

    He's had a nifty reoccuring character on 7th Heaven this season, too.

  • March 26, 2007, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Keith David is my effing HERO

    by chiahead

    Okay. The Cullen news was great. I left the jury out on the Weaving news. But after THIS- I officially stop my bitching and will wholly embrace whatever fucktastic film Bay produces from this franchise with a name that should be something else because it's not really the franchise. Keith David is off the hook insane. I actually did theatre with him a few years ago and he was such a sweet, gentle person. It's kind of amazing watching him tap into that other place and access the kind of ferocity he can so easily muster up. Top notch pro, this guy, and all heart. He even ate my christmas cookies. Which were, like his cartoon voices can sometimes be, tough as nails.

  • March 26, 2007, 12:27 p.m. CST

    cool voices coming out of unrecognizable robots

    by Staldo

    This movie is starting to evoke the first animated one-awesome voice actors and a bunch of characters we've never heard of before(Cullen Prime is the exception). Seriously, is Stan Bush signed up yet to make this the ultimate retro clusterfuck? The only difference is the director's drug of choice is coke, whereas for the '86 movie it was apparently acid.

  • March 26, 2007, 12:28 p.m. CST


    by rdsxfan8

    i remember liking his voice as spawn and on disney's gargoyles. and I totally agree with whoever said that a voice over castign shouldnt effect your opinion since the voice will prolly be used for like 3 sentences and a total of maybe 5 mins if your lucky. its not the VO's that do it for me. the actors in this are pretty bad. Shia, josh D, and tyrese. I hope to god they kill tyrese and shia.

  • March 26, 2007, 12:36 p.m. CST

    Barricade? WTF. Why not just use Prowl.

    by jrbarker

    Why change shit up for no reason? I don't remember Barricade. Prowl was the police cruiser.

  • March 26, 2007, 12:54 p.m. CST

    why not Prowl

    by Staldo

    Because this Police Cruiser is a Decepticon I guess they could have had "Evil Prowl"

  • March 26, 2007, 1:02 p.m. CST

    Why not call it "Evil Prowl"? Nothing else is like G1

    by finky089

    I mean, Megatron transforms from a mess of metallic clothespins into a half-breed guyver. "Evil Prowl" would almost be a welcome addition.

  • March 26, 2007, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Doesn't Matter

    by sevenrivera

    I'm actually a big fan of this casting, but it's just putting a good pickle on a shit sandwich. Thanks to Michael Bay, it's still a shit sandwich with or without the pickle. You could have James Earl Jones, Patrick Stewart and Samuel L. Jackson doing the voices and this genital wart of a movie would still ooze and bleed all over your shorts.

  • March 26, 2007, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Bless you Michael Bay


    Bless you Michael Bay

  • March 26, 2007, 1:43 p.m. CST

    MCMLXXVI is my hero

    by polyh3dron

    Never stop what you are doing. You must keep it up until Michael Bay cries and decides to stop making films, then we will be victorious.

  • March 26, 2007, 1:45 p.m. CST

    Keith David kicked ass in Saint's Row

    by polyh3dron

    He did some really good voice work on that game.

  • March 26, 2007, 1:53 p.m. CST


    by sevenrivera

    We must not stop until Michael Bay is forced to eat his own parents at a chili con carnival and while he's crying like a little pussy, Radiohead needs to walk by and tell him how uncool he is. We all need to taste his tears of sadness and despair. Then, and only then, will the campaign be finished. Never stop fighting until the fighting is done. Damn you Michael Bay, damn you straight to hell!

  • March 26, 2007, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah, TINO!

    by polyh3dron


  • March 26, 2007, 2:18 p.m. CST

    My vote for Megatron? CLANCY BROWN

    by GiggityGoo

    His modulated voice coming out of Bay's Megatron vagina mouth would make the hairs stand up on the back of my neck. Love his voice.<p>Having said that, Keith David rocks. Can't wait to hear him snarling at the humans.

  • March 26, 2007, 2:35 p.m. CST

    why do robots need to talk?

    by I87D

    keith was great on Grey's Anatomy.

  • March 26, 2007, 3:48 p.m. CST


    by garcicr

    "I wouldnt trust these guys witha POTATOE GUN!!!"

  • March 26, 2007, 4:17 p.m. CST

    Did you guys see this quote from Bay?

    by johnnykool

    "Harry called me to tell me how he loved it. I see all the d**kwad talk back people who claim they have read a finished script. Impossible - I kept the only draft for the last two months before shooting. That's where did major retooling to the script - yes the scene beats are similar but a very different script. We are still writing the robot voices. They talk about just 20 minutes of action at the end - yeah right. This is by far the most action I have ever put into a movie - I have 12 huge set pieces. Boy I get tired of these lame cry babies on the net." <p>1. So, harry *IS* apparently blowing Michael Bay. <p>2. Hey Bay, if you actually gave a majority of the fans what they want, then fewer would bitch. How about a nice cup of fuck you ya jackass bitch? I'd love to bitchslap the taste out of your mouth. We asked you to not fuck too much with some of the characters, but you put flames on Prime and have him saying "My bad." Fuck you ya punk-ass bitch.

  • March 26, 2007, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Hell yes Clancy Brown

    by Staldo

    Kurgan was the best part of the Highlander movie. I've gotta agree with you, ganymede, the flames on Luke's helmet were totally out of character for him. He's not some redneck young bush pilot from the asshole of nowhere. Oh, wait.

  • March 26, 2007, 4:43 p.m. CST

    When I read this, I didn't recognize him...

    by hadez

    But at the first Requiem for a Dream line, I totally remembered him! <p>He's a great actor AND voice actor. Him and Weaving, are great news for this (apparently) doomed movie

  • March 26, 2007, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Keith David does have a great voice.

    by superninja

    Goliath in Disney's Gargoyles.

  • March 26, 2007, 4:51 p.m. CST

    No, it doesn't make up for Welker. Because

    by superninja

    that's not Megatron, that's a Chandelier-BABY!

  • March 26, 2007, 4:52 p.m. CST

    messi, I would never have think I could've love

    by superninja

    Mr. M so much in Superman anything, but that episode made me want to see a live-action version.

  • March 26, 2007, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Yeah, I'd really love a live action Gargoyles, too.

    by superninja

    But knowing Hollywood it would actually be nothing like the fine cartoon because it's too well made so they'd have to screw it up somehow. Probably put nipples on everything.

  • March 26, 2007, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Whoah, were are the grammar police on my 4:52

    by superninja

    post. ET: OUCH.

  • March 26, 2007, 5:03 p.m. CST

    I hated Wheelie, but if Wheelie climbed up Michael

    by superninja

    Bay and shot him in the nose with his slingshot, that would rock.

  • March 26, 2007, 5:16 p.m. CST


    by nemesisdarkside

    "GOTTA EAT" *WAS* in there, but I modified it to "GOTTA DRINK" so I could follow on the the alcoholism and adultury line!! I really should of just put it as "...Gotta Eat and Drink a beer...", then it would have been clearer. No Edit!!

  • March 26, 2007, 5:24 p.m. CST


    by nemesisdarkside

    I know. There's even the Weta Evangelion and a Ghost in the Shell movie in the works!! I just hope it stops there but I know it won't. The raping has commenced!<P>I can just imagine some dull actress playing the new white-washed version of Matoko set in LA or New York. Yawn! I bet Cowboy Bebop's next. It'll probably be like Serenity (Bebop inspired in areas), but total crap. *sheds tears* No human can fill Faye's shoes...or bra.

  • March 26, 2007, 5:28 p.m. CST

    "I didn't take it out for air..."

    by Gozu

    Well, time to scream into the bathwater again!

  • March 26, 2007, 5:34 p.m. CST

    I Love Serenity/Firefly. //Superninja\\

    by nemesisdarkside

    If that last post reads like I dislike Serenity/Firely that is not the intention as I love that gorram 'verse!<P>Superninja: shhh, someone might hear you. Gargoyles live action in Hollywood = Nipples on Goliath. It would be such a bad raping, people would be filing sexual assault charges after leaving the cinema.

  • March 26, 2007, 5:47 p.m. CST

    I Wheelie shot im the nose with something

    by Phategod2

    It would be "Rock". Cocaine that is.

  • March 26, 2007, 5:48 p.m. CST


    by Phategod2

    If wheelie Shot him in the nose with something?

  • March 26, 2007, 5:54 p.m. CST

    Hey Gany

    by Phategod2

    I hear Paul W.S. Anderson is looking to make a Robotech movie Good luck Bro. I hope you Like Mila Jovavich.

  • March 26, 2007, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Real robots are intelligent and can talk

    by Immortal_Fish

    A blast from ye olde cliche past.<P>Last I heard, Megs was the only Decepticon capable of speech, unless you count Starscream speaking a single line in Cybertronian subtitle. All this recent voicecasting reeks of retooling and damage control. Too little too late.

  • March 26, 2007, 6 p.m. CST

    "You DON'T KNOW until you see the movie!!"

    by Immortal_Fish

    What a tired argument. I'll not part with my hard earned doll hairs to earn the privilege of calling something shit that I can already tell is shit.<P>The job of the trailer is to sell me on the product. I've yet to be sold. And then top it off with a vicious dose of horrid leaks from the set.<P>Not gonna pay. Nope. Not even a decent try at getting me to contribute to the box office receipts. The only way this flick will see any patronage from me is via whatever cash they receive from airing it on pay channels I already subscribe to anyhow and would have regardless.

  • March 26, 2007, 6:38 p.m. CST

    "Timmy...I said...put on your HAT!!"

    by uss cygnus

    And it has to be either Gary Oldman, Tim Roth or Andrew (Garak) Robinson for Starscream.

  • March 26, 2007, 6:42 p.m. CST

    I'm gonna make a prediction...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Welker will be the voice of Starscream.

  • March 26, 2007, 7:28 p.m. CST

    I hope he makes Bumble bee and Ratchet strip

    by Phategod2

    Tie them together In a doggystyle pose to a carosel That would look pretty damn sweet to me.

  • March 26, 2007, 7:42 p.m. CST

    agghhh and nemesisdarkside

    by Bloo

    well I'll be seeing this movie. Turterro playing a crazy Gov't offical plus Keith David well now I have to see this...<P> and nemesisdarkside you forget sexy tomboy beanpole

  • March 26, 2007, 7:43 p.m. CST

    Damn, Phate, I know that movie...

    by finky089

    Men at Work with Sheen and Estevez?

  • March 26, 2007, 7:44 p.m. CST

    I heard that's how Bay and Don Murphy developed TF

    by finky089

  • March 26, 2007, 8:03 p.m. CST

    KD Would've Been Better For Megatron...

    by DrTobiasFunke

    KD should = Megatron. He's one of my favorite actors/voice actors. He was great in Halo 2. He was the only redeeming thing about playing the Arbiter.

  • March 26, 2007, 8:10 p.m. CST

    He was the only redeeming thing about the

    by Phategod2

    whole Campaign side of the game.

  • March 26, 2007, 8:22 p.m. CST


    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I shall always love you. I am such your little bitch. My wife and I talk about you whilst not on the net. Sad but true. You make us laugh. Be well brother.<P>"There are several sacred things in this world that you don't *ever* mess with. One of them happens to be another man's fries. Now, you remember that, and you will live a long and healthy life. "<P>Fucking brilliant line! Men at Work is a better film than this insult to cinema. No money from me and that's why I refrain from discussing it. I enjoy most of what most of you have observed/surmised. However, I am a comic freak and therefore impossible to please. It's all robots all the time in the books I read. Think Simon Furman was brought in to write the dialogue? Does it really matter? Hope you guys get what you pay for. I passed on Superman Returns, X3, FF, GR and others due to what I knew before hand. Look how those turned out. Certainly not highly revered films........

  • March 26, 2007, 8:23 p.m. CST

    They got a comic book guy to punch up some

    by superninja

    of the robot dialogue. He's also a comedian, but his name escapes me.

  • March 26, 2007, 8:25 p.m. CST

    His name is John Rogers. I can't really

    by superninja

    recall him writing anything in comic books but his blog says he's been writing since 2005.

  • March 26, 2007, 8:28 p.m. CST

    He also admits to being named as one of the

    by superninja

    writers of Catwoman, although he is rather honest about it. Interesting. Oh well, he seems to be too smart to be working on this movie.

  • March 26, 2007, 8:36 p.m. CST

    So they Hired a guy

    by Phategod2

    To "Joss Whedon" the script it's funny the original Writers were not able to that themselves. Just shows how apeshit this production is. I think there is more order in Brett Ratner production. question. can movie look, rushed and Imcomplete?

  • March 26, 2007, 8:45 p.m. CST

    How can you people love 300?

    by T 1000 xp professional

    and think this movie is going to suck....The Transformers previews already have more character and story depth than all of 300. Don't get me wrong I enjoyed 300, but so far this is looking kick hiney. Agent Smith and Childs. Two more points for the good guys.

  • March 26, 2007, 8:48 p.m. CST

    300= 97% faithful to source....

    by Phategod2

    Micheal Bays Transformers = -5% faithful to source. any questions.

  • March 26, 2007, 8:52 p.m. CST


    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Well I assumed it wasn't Brad Mick or Simon Furman when you mentioned a comedian. <P>Gotta say, I have not posted regarding the TINO movie. I really don't have the ability to debate like you guys do. SuperNinja - I have enjoyed yours and most of the other TBers musings/summations/observations about this appauling and ultimately insulting movie. So many, many, many possibilities and this is what they consider to be palatable to a mass/broad audience? Maybe I should start submitting scripts to Hollywood. Clearly it takes little ability and vision.<P> Before I am "jumped" heres why I refuse to see this. I have read the draft script, watched the Don Murphy interviews/symposiums, retched at the horrible Hasbro designs that Bay approved and viewed the trailer. That's enough for me to make an educated decision. But Michael Bay is directing it. That in and of itself is enough reason to pass. I still marvel at all the mindless automatons that flock to see his supposed pretty explosions and great action pieces. Clearly I am missing something. Clearly I am a minority or flim snob or whatever I am to be labeled. I refuse to pay to watch this tripe. But that's the great thing about film. There is something out there for everyone. Good luck guys. Hope you enjoy it.<P>Oh, and on topic, Keith David is a MackDaddySuperPimp. Great actor. Great voice. Glad to see he is getting lots of work.

  • March 26, 2007, 8:54 p.m. CST


    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Re: your 8:48:45 post.<P>Fucking Thank You.

  • March 26, 2007, 9:05 p.m. CST

    It's always a good sign when last min. changes are

    by S-Mart shopper

    being made to a movie, right? They're adding more stars to do voice work and making script changes with 3 months before the big screen debut, that equals quality and a clear sense of DIRECTION from the very beginning, right?<p>TINO, BITCHES!<p>Oh, and I bet MCMLXXVII will crack before MCMLXXVI, FUCKIN POSER!

  • March 26, 2007, 9:17 p.m. CST

    Cullen For Ironhide

    by Phategod2

    Cullen when reading for the Optimus PARt was reading with some intern who was doing IronHides lines He told her "can Id o both seeing as how I used to do that voice too" she agreed of course. and the rest is history as far as the Prime role goes.

  • March 26, 2007, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Hook up!

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I am curious as to why they chose not to include the Constructicons/Devastator. That seems like a no brainer to me. Oh wait, that's because they know nothing about the source material and only what Hasbro pushes. What an unbeatable challenge to have the Autobots face at the end of the film. Perhaps they are in the "new" script that we are evidently not privy to or are they saving it for the second or third bowel movements...erm films? Weak sauce.

  • March 26, 2007, 9:24 p.m. CST

    You guys have got the John Rogers thing wrong.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    He wrote the first draft of "Transformers". Orci and Kurtzman have written every draft since.

  • March 26, 2007, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Mission Impossible III

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I know many didn't like it, but I loved it. I guess I am just a knucklehead. I actually liked it better than the first two combined. That being said I stupidly expected Orci and Kurtzman to knock this one (TINO) out of the proverbial park. Perhaps my username should be Toolbox....

  • March 26, 2007, 9:39 p.m. CST

    I liekd MI III 2

    by Phategod2

    But I lost faith when Bay was attached then I lost a hell of alot more when I read That interview with Orci and Kurtzman where they said they wrote script drafts where the Transformers didn't even speak.

  • March 26, 2007, 9:39 p.m. CST


    by Phategod2

    Sorry bout that

  • March 26, 2007, 9:50 p.m. CST

    Seems to me...

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    ...and many others that all those involved in this film only know of the toys. Not the source material in the cartoon/commercial, comics, et. al. Glaringly obvious. Too bad too. This could have been so much more. So cool. I look at PotC and think "an amusement park ride turned into a franchise and made accessable to a vast and broad audience. Butts in seats and tons of merch. to boot. Why not do the same for Transformers?" Clearly I am not meant to understand.

  • March 26, 2007, 10:12 p.m. CST

    PotC is a little simpler

    by Phategod2

    It has no real canon to follow, no fans to piss off. Nothing really to mess up. incorporated with the performance of Depp, the special effects and over all charm or the movie it was geared for sucess. Transformers has a more rabid fan base then even I expected. You gather 20 million Latch key kids from the 80's and you tell us you want to put our father in pants with flames on them and we'll kick your ass. I enjoy the Idea of making a film about Transformers but instead of Respecting the source material there using the it as for nothing more then make a buck and start a new hollywood trend. "Obscure and famous 70's-80's Cartoons" So people if your between the ages of 25 and 40. and your not a TF fan just wait Hollywood will find something dear to your childhood then get ready to feel like a 8 year old spending a saturday night at MJ's after a few cups of Jesus juice.

  • March 26, 2007, 10:19 p.m. CST


    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I concur. I don't think before I speak/type. Just saying there is more potential with TF than the studio sees.....coulda, woulda, shoulda

  • March 26, 2007, 11:26 p.m. CST

    Would've liked...

    by DarthStallion

    to see Keith David as Jazz or some other Autobot, but him being in the movie either way is pretty cool. Interesting how he went from a lowly latrine-digging private in "Platoon" to a general in "Armageddon" but that's another story altogether. And what about Bruce Campbell as Rumble? "Okay you primitive screwheads, these are my BOOMSTICKS!" and transforms his arms to those massive piledrivers. Add Bruce Campbell and this thing breaks $100 mill. on the opening weekend.

  • March 26, 2007, 11:30 p.m. CST

    HeWhoCannotBeNamed, thanks for the

    by superninja

    support, I've been trying to tell these hosers that it's easy to make an educated decision on this film given the amount of material that has been released (pretty common these days anyway). Was that script scraping bottom, or what? This guy may be good to punch up the script - who knows how many people have touched it at this point? But since the story is still the same according to Bay, the bells doth toll for Transformers.

  • March 26, 2007, 11:36 p.m. CST

    Keith David is cool and so is Agent Smith.

    by superninja

    The problem is, no one is going to get chills hearing their voices come out of those robots which look nothing like Transformers. There is no attachement. It will just sound like Keith David and Agent Smith (he always sounds like Agent Smith, even when he's an elf). Welker could've given the fans chills if done right - I'm sure Optimus will have this effect.

  • March 26, 2007, 11:38 p.m. CST

    In that case Gaius, then it's gotten worse.

    by superninja

    Thanks for the correction. :) Those two idiots don't know their Transformers, eh?

  • March 27, 2007, 6:11 a.m. CST

    my original position on this has not changed

    by Lost Prophet

    I am not emotionally attached to TF in any way. It just makes me sad that there are people who clearly give a shit, and are watching as their dreams of a live action TF movie are being viciousally anally raped. Without lube. <p>I am, however, militantly pissed off about the amount of sub-standard crap that is being produced every summer, and as TF seems to have the most vocal and (frankly) furious fans, this is the film to bitch about. <p>I also pathologically hate Michael Bay, not only for the films he directs, but for the fact that (could be wrong) he is behind the current trend of destroying classic horror/ films. <p> And as for shia leprick... well, words fail me.

  • March 27, 2007, 6:17 a.m. CST

    Oh man! How'd you get the beans above the frank?

    by jiggertool

    I love that line from something about mary.

  • March 27, 2007, 7:25 a.m. CST


    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Indeed. However, the script sucks. Period. No substance. I have no doubt the robots will look and perform wonderfully. That does not a good movie make. Special effects, CGI, et. al. should not be the placating factor for a big budget film. But, then again, I'm a minority. I feel strongly that while I do not desire to see a live action NGE movie, I KNOW it will be far better than this. Screw the fact that the source material in and of itself surpasses any and all TF mythos above and beyond reproach. The simple fact that WETA's Eva designs are instantly recognizable and the story will no doubt follow some semblance of faithful adaptation. It's not just about big robots fighting and TF isn't either. It's too bad many refuse to see that. Or perhaps they are incapable. Yeah I'm passionate and attached to this shit. It's good shit and could have been on the big screen. One of my many problems with this debacle is that people keep blaming Bay whereas I continually blame Hasbro. They have final say on a lot of this shit. Look at the glorious Baroness cover they wouldn't even allow to be a pin-up in the back of the issue let alone a primary or alternate/incentive cover.<P> solicitations/2006/images/americaselite17.shtml <P>Dicks. Look at the shit Hasbro shoved down Larry Hama's throat during the origina G.I. Joe run. All shit, but he still crafted some cool stories. Hasbro should have demanded more of their product concerning the Transformers line. Out of my control save for the simple fact that I will not pay to see GIANT FUCKING ROBOTS which is clearly what everyone wants. Sci-Fi is capable of much more. Now excuse me while I pout whilst taking care of my daughter.<P>Keith David is still a wonderful choice to voice anything.

  • March 27, 2007, 7:30 a.m. CST


    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Just a piece of paper, a band of metal and a tax break. I made the commitment three years prior to the act. Thirteen glorious years and my daughter is the crowning jewel. I shouldn't be so lucky. Yeah, I can laugh, but my marriage doesn't suck like most suckers. I love my wife just as passionately today as when we first hooked up. Two geeks in love. Brilliant!

  • March 27, 2007, 7:30 a.m. CST

    Keith David should voice me

    by T 1000 xp professional

    God i would be so much cooler..... :( ....Guys i understand your pain about being faithful, but we haven't seen anything. The next preview will hopefully win everybody over.

  • March 27, 2007, 7:38 a.m. CST

    T 1000 xp professional

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Everyone on this board would LOVE to be won over. Otherwise, we wouldn't be asking for whine with our cheese.

  • March 27, 2007, 7:59 a.m. CST

    You Americans are so lucky

    by Lost Prophet

    we don't even get the tax break.

  • March 27, 2007, 8:06 a.m. CST

    Lost Prophet

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Then why get married? Just to make your bank accounts easier to look at? Just kidding. Kind of.

  • March 27, 2007, 8:23 a.m. CST

    I was being facetious

    by Lost Prophet

    it wasn't particularly funny. <p>I hang my head in shame

  • March 27, 2007, 8:27 a.m. CST

    Not at all Lost Prophet

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I laughed as did my spouse. Hence my response. There's no shame in your game. Actually, I should hang my head for that one. Are you paying to see TF? If so I look forward to reading your review and thoughts after you have seen it. There will no doubt be several TBs after 747....

  • March 27, 2007, 8:35 a.m. CST


    by Lost Prophet

    I have a mate that is adept at getting his hands on pirated copies of good quality. If he can't supply then I will try the local chinese dude in the pub. <p>Mind you, I have been burnt by that before- A bit ago I bought (quite a bit ago) Kong off one in kensington and was astounded to find that it was a mint-perfect copy of King Kong: The Legend Reborn from 1976. A fine film, and actually better than Jackson's one

  • March 27, 2007, 8:35 a.m. CST

    The missus would actually divorce me if

    by Lost Prophet

    I tried to make her see TF

  • March 27, 2007, 8:39 a.m. CST

    shit, meant KONG LIVES from 1986

    by Lost Prophet

    brain not working

  • March 27, 2007, 11:35 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    That's where you may be wrong yet again. The leaked draft that you guys keep dumping on, well not only was it incomplete, but it was one of the first draft passes they made on it.<P>I know none of this means anything to you. You guys are convinced that every word you read will be on the screen as-is.

  • March 27, 2007, 11:53 a.m. CST

    How da fuck

    by johnnykool

    Do you guys keep going on and on in talkbacks??? I try to stay on track with this shit and participate, but a guy's gotta work at some point. <p>PS: MICHAEL BAY SUCKS!

  • March 27, 2007, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Keith David is a voice acting god...

    by Lost Skeleton

    Plus, the man is a badass in every damn film he is in...even There's Something About Mary.

  • March 27, 2007, 12:10 p.m. CST

    you get a job you don't care about

    by Lost Prophet

    that requires extensive on-line research, only way I can keep up

  • March 27, 2007, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Gaius, when the dialogue matches up with

    by superninja

    everything they have released, what is the most logical conclusion to draw? We have already admitted that they are changing the robot dialogue, but Bay himself has said the story beats are the same. Do the math, bud.

  • March 27, 2007, 1:26 p.m. CST

    The Math

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Well superninja, when it comes to your math, the equation = superninja just doesn't like the story. So, no matter what other scenes they have drafted (regardless of those still admittedly included), what new and expanded dialog they have written, and what better characterization they may have incorporated, it won't matter = you just don't like the story. Even more, you don't like Michael Bay (which seems to be the crux of everyone's opinion). You've already made up your mind. Fair enough. It's too bad you won't be going to the theater to really know for sure what it is you hate.<P>Again, fair enough. Cheers.

  • March 27, 2007, 1:39 p.m. CST

    I don't dislike Bay completely. I liked The Island.

    by superninja

    I thought it demonstrated that maybe Bay had matured as a filmmaker. Obviously, not the case! LOL. No, I don't like the story, it's terrible. Did you read it? I can accept a human character to view the TF through, but the entire focus is the humans and the TF are supporting characters. What's the point of making a TF movie if that's your approach? The human characters were never the drivers in the TF story. It would be like if all the main characters in Hellboy were normal people and not members of the BPRD, or if Superman was about the citizens of Metropolis.

  • March 27, 2007, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius & SuperNinja

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    Hate to sound like a kiss ass but what I say is true. I have read both of yours and many others thoughts on this movie. I have enjoyed hearing opposing opinions and the such. The debates can be enlightening despite some name calling here and there. Mr. Nice Gaius, I look forward to your review. No sarcasm. And I hope you are not disappointed but objective too. SuperNinja, I look forward to yours as well if you decide to waste your time and money. Me, I'll stick with my comic books and grumble of could never be. I personally accept many of the opinions on this board , however I sit in camp hate.

  • March 27, 2007, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Hey, I still want my He-Man movie.

    by superninja

    There should be more fantasy films made. The only way for that to happen is to make more GOOD fantasy films. Sky Captain looked great was a snoozer in terms of story. I agree with you that CGI just does not cut it - it is an enhancement, it is not a replacment for the story or the characters. I think He-Man could be visually stunning and I wouldn't complain about them putting him in something other than fur diapers, but if it worked for Conan... <p>Bay himself said he did not want to make a toy movie, but then went ahead and made a toy movie.</b>

  • March 27, 2007, 2:50 p.m. CST


    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    I love that movie. I am actually somewhat glad King Conan: Crown of Iron fell through. I'll just enjoy the original thank you very much. With as desparate as Hollywood seems for ideas (remakes, TV show adaptations, toy lines, video games, etc.) you may just get your wish....

  • March 27, 2007, 5:45 p.m. CST

    Pre-emptive strike

    by Immortal_Fish

    There's tons of yap in TB about this account being this account being that account. Just want to underscore that simply because HeWhoCannotBeNamed is married, voices his concern about TF, and posts in TB every so often about his daughter -- just want to say that I am not he, he is not me, and we are not one and the same together.<P>HeWho, I met my lovely bride, The Warden, at the ripe age of 15 and never looked back (I'm 36 now). Something should be said about the positive virtues of a warm meal and a roll in the sack every night! And how old are yours? My daughter is 9 and my son is 15. The last few years have been great for sharing with them live action stuff based on the stuff I grew up on, be it well adapted or otherwise. They're interested enough to hear and read up on the differences. And my son is entering a cool, new stage in his life. Took him to see 300 at IMAX since I think he can handle that sorta thing now. I wish my dad was a geek.

  • March 27, 2007, 6:04 p.m. CST


    by Immortal_Fish

    Honestly, I've never seen a Bay film. Only saw pieces of Island on cable and not enough to say "I saw it." I know what films he's done, and hell, THAT's the very reason why I was thrilled to see him appointed director for this property. I mean, the explosion guy paired with TF? Sounds too good. McG would have sounded equally good as a runner up for all the same reasons.<P>But Bay unfortunately sounded good ON PAPER. I knew this property was screwed once they released the picture of Barricade, the Decepticon *car*. Everyone familiar with the property knows that Autobots = ground vehicles and Decepticons = air vehicles. Damn, even the profit mongers at Hasbro squeezed the udders nearly dry before they started releasing polar opposite vehicles for each side.<P>Just because some folks won't go to the theater to see this, doesn't mean they never will. There is cable and rentals after all. So, no remorse from you!<P>I personally will not be paying to see this. However, I do urge anyone concerned about this property that still wants to see it in the theater TO SEE IT the 2ND WEEK of release. Send a message. Never hurts to write Hasbro either. I haven't received a reply and surely won't, but at least I know they got the message.

  • March 27, 2007, 7:43 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Quote: "Everyone familiar with the property knows that Autobots = ground vehicles and Decepticons = air vehicles."<P>No offense but, are you sure you know your Transformers? Do you know how many G1 characters do no match the description you just gave???

  • March 27, 2007, 7:45 p.m. CST

    HeWhoCannotBeNamed & superninja

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    You can be sure that when I see this movie (emphasis on "see"), I will offer the most honest, candid review I can in AICN TB.

  • March 28, 2007, 1:39 a.m. CST

    Bay as God?

    by thundarrrr

    Didn't he make Armageddon? -- which is like the greatest movie ever made. I think I just proved my point.

  • March 28, 2007, 11:29 a.m. CST


    by Immortal_Fish

    Way do not want to roll up and throw down with you over this, okay?<P>Well, bear in mind I was into the comics and didn't watch the cartoons until much later. That may account for differences to an extent. Having dug them out recently, I can say for a fact that this is stated in issue 1. Hell, take a look at the entire G1 run. The air vs. ground vehicle premise was standard until the Stunticons came out. Sorry, but I've forgotten the name of the simultaneously released Autobot airforce. Soundwave could fly even though his alt mode wasn't a flying mechanism. And there were no Autobots that could fly early G1.<P>Now, perhaps you want to throw Swoop and Devestator in my face, but surely you can admit they were the exception to the rule. Or, I could argue that they weren't autobots and decepticons, but rather dinobots and constructicons. ;-) And Bumblebee's original Cybertronian alt mode being a hover craft really shouldn't count as an air vehicle.<P>What do you consider G1, the stuff originally released in the first batch, or anything that was released up to the 1986 movie? Perhaps that also could account for why we disagree.