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Miissttterrr Prime... One energon cube to rule them all... Remember Remember Megatron's voice?!?!

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here. The net is buzzing with the news that just dropped at regarding Megatron's voice. Sector Seven is the government agency investigating the giant robots in Bay's TRANSFORMERS. This website, a very secretive and dense place, has been cracked. Click the link above and enter in NBETWO. If you click on the red scorpion you'll get a list of emails, indicating "megaman's recording" and an "Agent Weaving." I have run this by my sources within Paramount/Dreamworks and it is indeed the truth. Hugo Weaving has been hired to voice Megatron for Michael Bay. The feelings are mixed. On one hand... fuck. No Frank Welker. But on the other... fuck! Hugo Weaving rocks! I'm curious to hear his robot voice, see how different it'll sound from his other voice work. I'm glad it's someone we can guarantee a certain level of excellence from and not a big star who'll just take the check to sit in a room and read into a microphone (I'm talking to you Julia Roberts and everybody else in the live-action CHARLOTTE'S WEB... Thomas Hayden Church, you're the exception). I think by this point the haters wouldn't give a shit if Jesus Christ himself came down and said he was voicing Megatron, but there are those that just want a fun movie. I'm in that category. I think I laid to rest the idea of a straight adaptation of the '80s cartoon a long time ago. I'm hoping Bay makes it big, fun and retarded (pretty much a guarantee on all accounts), but with enough recognizable Transformers to make my inner geek smile every once in a while. If I get more than that, then I'll be one happy motherfucker. Anyway, what do you folks think of the news?

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  • March 24, 2007, 1:59 a.m. CST

    Where's La Boeuf?

    by BannedOnTheRun


  • March 24, 2007, 2 a.m. CST

    Well, if we can't have Welker...

    by Dolph

    ...then this isn't so bad. I must admit, my initial animosity towards the project is cooling somewhat.

  • March 24, 2007, 2:05 a.m. CST


    by Acne Scarface

    .rebmetpeS hguorht yaM sevirra ymra tsucol ehT

  • March 24, 2007, 2:09 a.m. CST

    Michael Bay Fucking Lost!!!

    by Doc_Strange

    Weaving's cool and all but this movie's doomed to fail miserably. One has to ask is there even any direction anymore? Was there any to begin with? Seems like they're arbitrarily coming up with anyone who has a free schedule to be in this pile. Guess they offered Weaving a big paycheck. Yep, Weaving gotta eat!!

  • March 24, 2007, 2:14 a.m. CST

    Jesus gotts the skillz

    by PBoy

    Dude, I traded this really nice guy at a Dead concert a few years back some hand made bead jewelery for an underground dub of a demo tape Jesus made in his early twenties, before he got into the whole Messiah thing. Let me tell you that guy has some pipes. I am sure if Bay gave him a shot he could totally rock it big time.

  • March 24, 2007, 2:20 a.m. CST

    AGENT SMITH GOTTA EAT = FLAMES ahh who cares

    by McGsStepson


  • March 24, 2007, 2:28 a.m. CST

    If they are going to change TF so much, why bother?

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    ...with Welker OR Cullen? It's so drastically changed (for better or worse) that any G1 connections are incidental.

  • March 24, 2007, 2:33 a.m. CST

    I can live with this casting as long as...

    by Boondock Devil

    They still have to have Welker in it somehow. Now they just have to get either Willam Dafoe or Tim Roth for Starscream, right?

  • March 24, 2007, 2:33 a.m. CST

    I said, "Meh!"

    by Zardoz

    Transformers: more than sucks my balls! 'nuff said...

  • March 24, 2007, 2:34 a.m. CST


    by MaxTheSilent

    But I'm really waiting to hear who voices Starscream.

  • March 24, 2007, 2:37 a.m. CST

    Jesus just wouldn't be right for Megatron

    by INWOsuxRED

    Jesus would be an autobot.

  • March 24, 2007, 2:40 a.m. CST

    I think Hugo Weaving is the best thing about The Matrix

    by Shan

    and a great actor but really, my vote is Frank Welker.

  • March 24, 2007, 2:40 a.m. CST

    Just one more nail in an already massive coffin

    by IndustryKiller!

    This is complete horseshit but Megatron has like 6 lines anyway. What this does prove though is that Cullens hiring was simply a way to try to get fans to make a deal with the devil that is this film and that Bay couldnt give a shit less about anything but making money. Well Bay, have fun continuing down your road of hackdom, I'm sure you'll die never having felt artistic credibility. But fuck it you're rich right? Better to rule in hell than serve in Heaven as they say. And Quint, I don;t want to piss on your parade, but the script is readily available for reading, and it's so bad all of Bay's herky jerky MTV directing and uninspired special effects in the world couldn't make this fun for anyone over the age of 11.

  • March 24, 2007, 2:42 a.m. CST

    Choice #1 - Frank Welker, Choice #1a - Hugo Weaving...

    by Darth Fabulous

    V GOTTA EAT, BITCHES! At least they got Prime right...

  • March 24, 2007, 2:45 a.m. CST

    This is good news

    by Rindain

    Weaving is an awesome actor--can't wait to see what he does. Also, Megatron's voice is nowhere near as iconic as Optimus'....Cullen was the only one we really needed, and we got him.

  • March 24, 2007, 2:46 a.m. CST

    Choice #3 Leonard Nimoy

    by ElectricDreams

    I mean what the hell? Why not?

  • March 24, 2007, 2:53 a.m. CST

    Not a bad idea....

    by Playkins

    M. Bay is just reducing his odds that one of his lead V.O. actors will keel over dead before recording is finished. Cullen and Welker are, what, 80 now?

  • March 24, 2007, 2:57 a.m. CST

    As someone who was very enlightened said ...

    by Shan

    ... that saying you'd rather rule in hell instead of serving in heaven as lacking in vision. I'd rather rule both.

  • March 24, 2007, 3:02 a.m. CST

    Weaving is amazing, but I wanna hear Welker, goddamnit!

    by TallBoy66

    I doubt it was a contract dispute that caused Welker not to be cast. The dude voiced dogs on Futurama for crissakes. But hearing Weaving do a badguy voice in Transformers is going to be sick. Argh, shit. I wanted to hear The "Real" Prime voice-off against The "Real" Megatron in theatres. Shit, ah well, can't win 'em all.

  • March 24, 2007, 3:03 a.m. CST

    Oh yes P.S

    by Shan

    Damn you Michael Bay!

  • March 24, 2007, 3:04 a.m. CST

    Now that's what i'm talking about... :-)

    by moobit

    “Human beings are a disease-a cancer of this planet, and we…are the cure…” Smith-like Megatron megalomaniac monologues ahoy! ;-)

  • March 24, 2007, 3:21 a.m. CST

    I mean, come on guys...

    by moobit

    We all know any hope of getting a “proper Transformers movie” was lost ages ago (I agree with you industrykiller- Cullen was only hired to stop the proper fans whinging for a few days…), but if all we’re going to get is “Michael Bay’s Giant Robot Movie TM” then screw it, lets just enjoy the ride and be thankful that at some point in the film there’s gonna be a big bad-ass robot with Smith’s evil voice coming out of it…..

  • March 24, 2007, 3:21 a.m. CST

    The Prime Audioclip gave me a Geekgasm

    by LittleDudes

    Followed by a full-on controversial reach-around.

  • March 24, 2007, 3:25 a.m. CST

    Jack Bauer for Ironhide!

    by Boondock Devil

    I'm assuming that they won't have Cullen voicing Ironhide in the movie so why not Kiefer "Dammit" Sutherland himself for that role?

  • March 24, 2007, 3:31 a.m. CST

    For Starscream....

    by moobit

    What about Alan Rickman?? "Priiiimmme!! I'm gonna tear your Matrix of Leadership out with a spoon!!"

  • March 24, 2007, 3:32 a.m. CST


    by Seph_J

    Fuck you MCMLXXVI

  • March 24, 2007, 3:39 a.m. CST

    I'm indifferent and actually like hugo weavings voice

    by Mr_X

    but i still like saying DAMM YOU MICHEAL BAY

  • March 24, 2007, 3:49 a.m. CST

    If this film was a straight 80's adaption

    by BendersShinyAss

    Optimus would look like a truck even though he doesn't change into a truck. I mean c'mon, Bumble bee had all the pieces of a VW but he turned into a futuristic spaceship. <p>I will bet money on it that the magority of you haters will love this movie. Especially the ones who come back to AICN after the release of the film to bitch and moan about it. Especially you!

  • March 24, 2007, 3:49 a.m. CST

    Hold on though. I thought cullen was signed for it?

    by Talkbacker with no name

    What gives? <p>I'm not really a transformers fan but how come cullen is not doing it anymore? <p>Oh and thank you for the change. I hope it really pisses off that annoying cunt, MCMLXXVI!

  • March 24, 2007, 3:53 a.m. CST

    Talkbacker with no name

    by Boondock Devil

    Cullen is still doing the voice of Prime in the movie. Weaving is on as the voice of Megatron. Good times.

  • March 24, 2007, 4:04 a.m. CST

    Thanks Boondock Devil

    by Talkbacker with no name

    Ah I see. Not really a fan but remember the cartoon as a kid...a bit :)

  • March 24, 2007, 4:17 a.m. CST

    Michael Bay is raping my childhood... but you know

    by SickPuppy


  • March 24, 2007, 4:19 a.m. CST

    Welker is too cartoony

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    go ahead...castrate me, but megatron always spounded kinda jivey to me. Weaving is the shit...only thing that made matrix 2 and 3 watchable

  • March 24, 2007, 4:22 a.m. CST


    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    i want you to reveal yourself so that we talkbackers can keep our eyes open for you durring the theatrical run of this movie. you KNOW you're going to see it so fuck off!

  • March 24, 2007, 4:31 a.m. CST

    Where the hell is Hot Rod?

    by BatPsycho

    They better have him in a sequel if this movie doesn't bomb at the box office!

  • March 24, 2007, 4:33 a.m. CST

    I find the casting a little obvious...

    by mattyholmes

    I couldn't get over the fact that all I could hear in V for Vendetta was Hugo Weaving. I don't want the same here.

  • March 24, 2007, 4:35 a.m. CST

    Who Cares Anymore.

    by Redfive!

    Theres so many other good blockbusters coming out and Harry Potter is a week after this Bastard-ization of a classic cartoon that your right the Robots dont look like the Original transformers so F*CK this movie!!

  • March 24, 2007, 4:39 a.m. CST


    by MaxCalifornia.

    Ha ha, awesome voice. I don't give a toss about Transformers, but Weaving voicing a giant robot get a big thumbs up.

  • March 24, 2007, 4:41 a.m. CST

    IndustryKiller, I knew it!

    by ApneicMonkey

    The topic of Michael Bay's Transformers comes up and you have to flame it and mention your raped childhood memories. Transformers is a shitty (by today's standards) cartoon. I love the cartoon and the movie but both are cliched, cheesy dribble that just doesn't sit well today (as Jar Jar Binks addition to the prequels proved). I know your a purist but I truly believe that your memories of a great cartoon are clouded by your sentimental and nostalgic feelings. Transformers was in need of a major update... that includes the voices. Starscream was awesome in the day but that high-pitched, whiny voice just wouldn't be right in a live action 'big robot' movie. The same goes for Megatron, Soundwave, Jazz, etc. I'm not even sure if Cullen's voice will be right for the movie. Of course, I know I'm not going to change your mind. You have a right to feel the way you do and to hold onto your precious childhood memories forever. Having said that, if you need to reply to this then you must also be a last word freak.

  • March 24, 2007, 4:57 a.m. CST


    by ApneicMonkey

    Dude, I love Transformers but it's still a shitty cartoon. Your comparison of Transformers to Yu-Gi-Oh is unfair - yes, Yu-Gi-Oh is utter crap! How about you try the likes of 'The Tick', 'X-Men', 'Spiderman', 'Batman animated' etc. All quality animation from recent years and not just the next 'flash in the pan' crap. Ok, wonderful... you believe that Transformers is still a great cartoon - seriously, how well will those animated characters translate into a live action movie? See, I got through that entire post without once calling you a dumb cunt or referring to your retardation. ;)

  • March 24, 2007, 5:02 a.m. CST

    You are all wrong - Bionic Six was the shit!

    by Boondock Devil

    And don't leave out the Rock-Lords. What kid wouldn't want a transforming rock?

  • March 24, 2007, 5:03 a.m. CST

    Thank you Michael Bay

    by Dr_Zoidberg

    Thank you Michael Bay

  • March 24, 2007, 5:25 a.m. CST

    I love Micheal Bay

    by shakermakerman

    I love Micheal Bay.

  • March 24, 2007, 5:26 a.m. CST

    Michael Bay even

    by shakermakerman

    him too..

  • March 24, 2007, 5:35 a.m. CST

    G1 Transformers...

    by BIGMAC1701

    I can't remeber anywheres a all saying this was going to be a G1 movie. So I guess everyone hates beast wars or TF Cybertron or any other incarnation of the franchise. Because all this is another incarnation of the same chaacters and story. So sit back and relax. If the 80's cartoons were made today...this is what you would get.

  • March 24, 2007, 5:37 a.m. CST


    by BIGMAC1701

    I should really re-read my posts...its too early to spell anyways

  • March 24, 2007, 5:39 a.m. CST

    Time for all the adults to act like kids again..

    by bongo123

    isnt about time you fucking numbnuts grew up and got over it? im 30+ years old and i throw a fucking hissy fit everytime i hear a news story about transformers.. jeeze, you really must be a bunch of fucking basement dwelling losers... This is my summer hype movie now that i got 300 outa the way... roll on the robot carnage.

  • March 24, 2007, 5:39 a.m. CST

    Megatron pontificating in a posh ozzy drawl?

    by Reelheed

    Well why not. Weaving's voice is really measured and so will probably be perfect. "I would've waited an eternity for this, it's over Prime!" and so on.

  • March 24, 2007, 5:46 a.m. CST

    Independence Day?

    by silentjay

    Let me guess: Sector 7 is a secret government org that somehow called the Decepticons to Earth and have one dormant in captivity and will use it against them bu launching a computer virus that renders them defensless, opening the door for Prime and some US 5-16s to save the day for President Bill Pullman.

  • March 24, 2007, 5:55 a.m. CST


    by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies

    I mean um Knight.

  • March 24, 2007, 5:55 a.m. CST

    Figure this will be a big money suck ass film.

    by Negative Man

    People will see it because it's Transformers, but all the previews (including the comic prequel) suck MAJOR ass. It'll make it's 200mil, but it will be that kinda embarrassment movie you tell no one you kinda liked. Say, like, Armageddon, but not as cool.

  • March 24, 2007, 6:48 a.m. CST


    by oh_riginal


  • March 24, 2007, 6:50 a.m. CST

    I just got off the phone with Gary Busey...

    by oh_riginal

    ... and he agrees that a Busey vs Nolte movie would be the event of the decade. Hugo Weaving can narrate the beginning and ending.

  • March 24, 2007, 7:01 a.m. CST

    Not that I give a flaming Transformer...

    by BannedOnTheRun

    but what does this do to that stupid contest where you got to put things in Peter Cullen's mouth?

  • March 24, 2007, 7:06 a.m. CST

    I wasn't a fan of TRANSFORMERS....but NOW I am.

    by JDanielP

    I downloaded the TRANSFORMERS trailer on my XBOX 360 (via LIVE) and I have to say, from what I've seen, this movie looks like something to get very excited about. But I'm not passionate about the source material, as some people are. I mean, ...I can understand when people get upset when too much liberty is taken with characters they REALLY care about (as I feel with many superhero characters). But since I have absolutely NO FEELINGS about the cartoon (as I've never witnessed an entire episode), this project appeals to me because... it looks freakin' cool! So, ...allow me to say, "THANK YOU, MICHAEL BAY!" And now, ...if only I feel like thanking Mr. Bay AFTER I've seen the movie.

  • March 24, 2007, 7:14 a.m. CST

    Hugo Weaving is usually the best thing about most films

    by newc0253

    okay, his part in LOTR was fairly minor but the Matrix just wouldn't have been quite as brilliant without Weaving as Agent Smith. and he was the saving grace in an otherwise weak V for Vendetta.

  • March 24, 2007, 7:17 a.m. CST

    I have no strong opinion for choice of voice. In fact,

    by JDanielP doesn't have much influence in how I feel, from what I've seen. Perhaps with Michael Bay and Co. not going with the hardcore fans on the *voices* is a mistake, ...but I'm not sure. Like I've said, I don't know the source material. The only way the choice of VOICE would influence me... would be if they were obviously BAD choices. And that's not going to happen, I should think.

  • March 24, 2007, 7:17 a.m. CST

    Hugo Weaving is usually the best thing about most films

    by newc0253

    okay, his part in LOTR was fairly minor but the Matrix just wouldn't have been quite as brilliant without Weaving as Agent Smith. and he was the saving grace in an otherwise weak V for Vendetta.

  • March 24, 2007, 7:20 a.m. CST

    Hugo Weaving is usually the best thing about most films

    by newc0253

    okay, his part in LOTR was fairly minor but the Matrix just wouldn't have been quite as brilliant without Weaving as Agent Smith. and he was the saving grace in an otherwise weak V for Vendetta.

  • March 24, 2007, 7:23 a.m. CST

    Alex Powers is busting you down to toilet scrubber

    by KillDozer

    Just when I thought the plot of this movie couldn't get any more ridiculous, up shows Sector Seven, Lt Col Alex Powers, and their 'Ultra Secret' N.B.E. jargon. My interest in this film has officially been downgraded to threat level Alpha.

  • March 24, 2007, 7:27 a.m. CST


    by tile_mcgillus

    "Bay" posted this on his forum...enjoy: <br> </br> <br> </br> "Almost a 100 days left. I guess I should start posting every week? I've been working my ass off - the cut is really coming along -the shots ---awesome. Some of the most difficult renders in ILM history. Sometimes up to 38 hours per frame. The Show West thing was fun to see the scenes play in a 1000 person house. But they just saw 25 minutes so it is hard to feel engaged because they are not seeing the full run of a movie. Harry called me to tell me how he loved it. I see all the dickwad talk back people who claim they have read a finished script. Impossible - I kept the only draft for the last two months before shooting. That's where did major retooling to the script - yes the scene beats are similar but a very different script. We are still writing the robot voices. They talk about just 20 minutes of action at the end - yeah right. This is by far the most action I have ever put into a movie - I have 12 huge set pieces. Boy I get tired of these lame cry babies on the net. BAY"

  • March 24, 2007, 7:41 a.m. CST

    Bay sounds like an over defensive bitch

    by CTU Mole

    If that's real. Next he'll be getting in the ring.

  • March 24, 2007, 7:42 a.m. CST

    Here's something to chew on...

    by Gozu

    I'd buy the redesign argument had I not seen this: Say what you will about Ashley Wood, that's a pretty realistic and cool rendering of Megatron. He takes a few liberties with the proportions, but you immediately know upon just looking at it that it's Megatron.

  • March 24, 2007, 7:43 a.m. CST

    Link doesn't work, here it is again

    by Gozu


  • March 24, 2007, 7:56 a.m. CST

    The goddamn ZEROIDS can kick transformer ass anytime!

    by Uncle Stan

    ZEROIDS will own your ass.

  • March 24, 2007, 8 a.m. CST


    by bigdrawz


  • March 24, 2007, 8:21 a.m. CST


    by tile_mcgillus

    It is from his website here is the direct link

  • March 24, 2007, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Autobots shouldn't fear their government...

    by BrandonGK

    Finally TF news that doesn't want to make my eyes roll back up into my head.

  • March 24, 2007, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Rob Schneider for Megatron

    by photoboy

    I mean really, not hiring Welker? Fucking Michael Bay has no fucking clue how to make a good Transformers film. I really hope Spider-Man 3 rapes it at the cinemas this summer and he has to go back to making shitty music videos. Short of filming a pile of dog shit for 2 hours you couldn't make more worse decisions than the ones Bay has made.

  • March 24, 2007, 8:32 a.m. CST


    by beelkay

    I think he's great...and as far as voice actors go, look at what he was able to do in V for Vendetta, where almost all of V's emotion and character had to be done with just the voice. Seems like a good choice to me.

  • March 24, 2007, 8:35 a.m. CST

    Jesus Christ as Snake Plissken!

    by JackPumpkinhead

    "I heard you were resurrected?"

  • March 24, 2007, 8:41 a.m. CST

    "Ahoy, squirts!"

    by feckdrinkarse

    What the fuck is that ? I don't know why, but it's so fucking irritating.

  • March 24, 2007, 9:20 a.m. CST

    TOO SOON!!!

    by Pageiv

    Sector 7? At least it's they're better than Sector 6. I cant stand those dudes.

  • March 24, 2007, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Damn you Michael Bay


    Damn you Michael Bay

  • March 24, 2007, 9:24 a.m. CST


    by Michael Corleone

    its a friggin transformers movie. Am i wrong? isnt this a movie about giant transforming robots fighting each other? why do people treat shite like this as if hollywood is remaking citizen kane?

  • March 24, 2007, 9:29 a.m. CST

    Bless you Michael Bay

    by JDanielP

    Bless you Michael Bay

  • March 24, 2007, 9:35 a.m. CST

    public (fanboy) demand

    by gusradio

    I realize that Bay was always going to make his vision of the transformers for good or ill, and that i was going to drag my fan boy's battered and bloody carcus to the biggest and loudest screen I could find and roll the star wars prequil dice to see if i can take yet another beating then possibly not even log on to a website like this or go see another film for at leaste another year or until i head read enough books about hard drugs and taken enough had drugs to forget i ever liked the animated movie and stop the bleeding OR perhaps just maybe be able to walk back out of the theatre with my constitution in tact having seen somthing passable with a title like "Transformers". but is it absolutly nessecary to ignor the shit out of the cries from nearly everyone who has ever posted anything resembling an opinion regarding Frank Welker being the obvious choice for megatron? Whatever man. Whatever it's just a voice over for a big robot afterall right? Were not supposed to attache ourselves to the material.. surely i sould allow my mind to drift to the day my ex-girlfriend made me sit down and make fun of the actors who played supporting charcters in "Prisila Queen of the desert". I mean everyone (but me) likes Hugo Weaving in all the super**ckingluckymother**cking WILLIAM SHATNER AS A BULLSHIT UPPITY MONOTONE BRIT sounding c*cksmokin' roles he's played. So cool... I still have to see this movie and that was my only pre veiwing rant... but i swear to god if this movie sucks I not going to bother being a movie geek for a good long while. I know you won't miss me...but i'll sorta miss you... i have like twenty books on my dresser i need to power read this summer anyway. I don't need to made sense.. I like David Lynch films.

  • March 24, 2007, 9:41 a.m. CST

    i did say if

    by gusradio

    IF it sucks, i still have hope after all.

  • March 24, 2007, 9:46 a.m. CST



    Big fun and retarded? noone wants that you tool.

  • March 24, 2007, 9:57 a.m. CST

    80's cartoons being molested

    by liljuniorbrown

    If your going to take these properties (Turtles,Transformers,and GI Joe) from development hell to the big screen,take away the elements that sucked and make it awesome. I didn't love Transformers the same way I loved G.I Joe as a kid,but I did watch as often as I could and I do want to see some kick ass robot fighting on the big screen. Just remove the cheese please. I'm not talking dark,hard R stuff,just a decent movie thats not aimed towards a audience of ten year olds who have no idea of the source material.

  • March 24, 2007, 10:04 a.m. CST

    This makes it appear they didn't want Cullen

    by Immortal_Fish

    My opinion, but this makes their giving the Prime gig to Cullen appear to be nothing other than reluctantly extending a fig leaf to the fanbase. Can't help but suspect they didn't want him at all. I see no reason why they must have such a recognizable name as Weaving involved when Megs has so few lines. Especially when Welker is still available. A no-brainer that in all likelihood would have been cheaper.<P>Are Bernie Mac, Dane Cook and Joe Don Baker still unnecessarily involved?

  • March 24, 2007, 10:08 a.m. CST

    "The haters" Quint? "The haters?"

    by Logo Lou

    Ever notice that anyone who uses the rap/tweener/trying to sound hip douchebag slang of "haters" to describe people who don't like something they like, always like something that's shitty?

  • March 24, 2007, 10:11 a.m. CST

    No, Jesus is doing the voice over work for Shia LaBeouf

    by thelivingdoll

    The guy just can't pronounce his R's right.

  • March 24, 2007, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Transformer fanboy whining

    by Tai_Pan

    Waaaaah!! It's not like my childhood toy commercial used to be! Waaaah!! Someone made a concession and gave me an adaption of the cartoon I've waited 20 years to see on the big screen but it doesn't look enough like I want it to!!! Waaah!!! Bumblebee isn't a VW bug, I don't care if it was impossible to make him a bug, someone raped my childhood!!! Wahh!!!! They won't hire a third rate actor to voice one of the characters!!! Wahh!!! The movie is being directed by a guy who makes action films, surely this kind of man can't handle the intricacies of human drama that was a cartoon toy commercial!!! You people make me fucking sick. No one's stealing your candy. No one is taking away your cartoon or fond memories. You give the crew of this movie so much shit over a film you haven't seen yet... friggin crybabies. AT LEAST LET THESE PEOPLE TELL THEIR STORY BEFORE YOU START BITCHING ABOUT THE FILM'S MERITS. As for all the other comments about how it isn't enough like the cartoon: STFU. Yeah, I'd like to see the characters look a little more like the cartoon as well, but oh well, they didn't do it. It's no reason to tell a film crew to fuck themselves, go to hell, be damned, etc. My God, you people need to shut your collective pieholes.

  • March 24, 2007, 10:18 a.m. CST

    If I were Michael Bay

    by Tai_Pan

    I'd tell all you whiny fanboys to go build a chocolate watch and cram it. No sense in trying to please morons who think they are owed something.

  • March 24, 2007, 10:21 a.m. CST

    Screw all of you Bay apologists.

    by BrandonGK

    This is going to suck donkey balls and you all know it. Bay is a fucking hack, the script is a fucking joke, and the actors fucking suck. Screw all of you.

  • March 24, 2007, 10:31 a.m. CST

    Go to You Tube Right Away

    by liljuniorbrown

    If you want to laugh your ass off,look up Behind The Music:Complete If i'm way late to the party on this i'm sorry but someone showed it to me yesterday and I had to pass it along. The guy who taped this is doing a pop up video style commentary to the worst band ever to grace public access cable. Listen to the story setting the clip up ,sit back and enjoy the madness.Keep in mind the last somg they do and the interview with the band are a tie for the most hysterical thing I have ever witnessed.

  • March 24, 2007, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Is Weaving on his own that big of a box office draw?

    by Immortal_Fish

    Do they really need another recognizable name on the cast list? Okay, let's entertain the notion. If Weaving is the tipping point that urges more folks to see this movie that wouldn't have otherwise, logic dictates that these same folks will only be pissed that he isn't involved until the very end and has only a scarce handful of lines. On the other hand, if this was a shrewd move to gain geek interest since Weaving is popular in geek circles, then wouldn't bringing Welker on board have more of a positive impact? This to me is yet more evidence that everyone involved with this movie simply doesn't realize just how big TF is. And if they don't know what they've got, then they don't deserve to be adapting it.

  • March 24, 2007, 10:53 a.m. CST

    Okay, my two cents

    by subgeniuszero

    When I watch movies, I want to be entertained, engaged, and stunned. There are three types of movies that do this for me. One is obviously the "big popcorn movies." 'Nuff said there. Bay does those, and does them well. More on that in a moment. The second type of movie I like to see is the "in-between" movies: those that make you think, but also kick your ass with special effects and action. "The Matrix" is a good example. The third type of films are the real thought-provoking and usually "Indie" films. I can enjoy all three. I don't see the need to "hate" any of the three kinds of films. I have resigned myself to the fact that although it will not resemble (probably in the slightest) my belobed eighties Transformers, I *am* going to see this film for its effects, its action, its one-two punch of BIG BADASS-NESS. I am not going to see "gay Transformers eating pudding." I am not going to see the G1 mythos as portrayed in the pilot episode of the cartoon series, nor am I going to see Soundwave, Shockwave, Galvatron or Starscream (or at least the Starscream I remember).<BR> <BR> Now, onto Mike Bay. You see, folks, he IS talented. It's just a matter of what he is talented *at*. I posted the following in another talkback, so forgive me if it's redundant: If you pop in Armageddon, and fast forward to the abominable "Ben Affleck and Liv Tyler are eating animal crackers scene", you'll see, at the end of this scene, a wide-shot where Ben Affleck picks up Liv Tyler, spins her around against a gorgeous sunset next to his red sports car, while Aerosmith plays in the background. Gag inducing? Yes. But is the picture pretty? Oh God yes. Nobody knows how to composite a shot like Bay. If you know anything about color-timing, shot composition, cinematography in general, and especially the art of cutting, then you know you need to give Michael Bay some respect. His herky-jerky editing style may seem "MTV-ish", but there's a hell of a lot of work that goes into editing like that. If the shots still leave coherent images of the overall composition in your head even if they're cut together bam-bam-bam, then you've seen a good edit. Besides, if you *look for it* (like I do), you'll see that most movies today use an editing style that resembles Michael Bay's. It's the kind of editing that is in itself "artsy", because it draws attention to itself, it makes you notice it, and , like it or not, the timing of his edits usually fits the tempo of the action on screen that they accompany. SOOO, to sum this all up: From a technical standpoint, Bay is fantastic. If you don't like the story being told, then blame the screenwriters, actors, and executive producers and yes, to a certain extent, the director; just remember that he isn't the only one who makes the movie. Bottom line: if you're a person who does not appreciate the monstrous technical know-how that goes into directing a film, then by all means, go ahead and continue to hate Bay. But if you *do* appreciate cinema from a "craftsmanship" standpoint, then by all means go see Bay's next film, Transformers, because you'll get what you pay for: a visual-centric popcorn film.<BR><BR> That's why I'm going, at least.<BR><BR> Jesus, that was a lot of typing.

  • March 24, 2007, 10:57 a.m. CST


    by Pound Sand

    Don't you blaspheme in here !

  • March 24, 2007, 10:57 a.m. CST

    As long as we have OG Prime I'm satisfied.

    by slder78

    Looking forward to 7.4.7.

  • March 24, 2007, 10:59 a.m. CST

    This is a good choice.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Weaving's voice is formidable. I hope he can give us something distinct and menacing that also sounds far and away from Agent Smith.<P>Also, that post by Bay = CLASSIC. Eat it haters. ;^)

  • March 24, 2007, 11:01 a.m. CST




  • March 24, 2007, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Okay...Agent Smith's voice...

    by DarthStallion

    coming out of a face that looks like a 90 year old woman's coochie (not that I've experienced that view before, but I've heard some scary rumors). Sign me up. And get Willem Defoe for Starscream.

  • March 24, 2007, 11:05 a.m. CST

    ok ok ok

    by Bloo

    I wasn't going to comment on this talkback...I'll miss Welker's voice for sure...but Weaving is an interesting choice <p>however I find it interesting that Mr Bay would dog on us on his messageboard...he is supposed to be trying to WIN us over not trash us. That's the difference really between someone like Stallone, admit it we were all dogging on Balboa UNTIL Stallone came and basically won us over with the q&a...Bay (and Don "The Muff" Murphy) seem intent on alienting us completely I don't understand the logic...Bay come here and talk to us, tell us WHY you made the decisions you made, try and at least win us over

  • March 24, 2007, 11:14 a.m. CST

    Alan Rickman

    by Staldo

    I think Ron Perlman should have gotten this part waaaay before Weaving. He was Hellboy, he was Slade in Teen Titans, he could be the giant monster version of Megatron. He would be my second choice after Welker. Alan Rickman would make a passable Megatron. I just wish Shockwave was in the movie. That faceless, gun-handed freak-bot sounded just like a poor man's Rickman in the cartoon.

  • March 24, 2007, 11:18 a.m. CST


    by subgeniuszero

    Well, everybody's got their own opinion. I personally think that Transformers looks awesome. But you're right about Pete Jackson: nobody can composite a shot like he can. And yes, if you look at it, what he does does feel a tad "warmer" than Bay.<br><br>I didn't say Bay was the Shizzle O' God. I just said he was good. Jackson is better. Just a question: who do you think is *best* when it comes to shot composition? I'd be interested to hear. :-)

  • March 24, 2007, 11:19 a.m. CST


    by subgeniuszero

    I give my vote to Steven Speilberg.

  • March 24, 2007, 11:20 a.m. CST

    I wanna see Bumble bee

    by OscarH

    If Bumble bee ain't in it,then it ain't cool.

  • March 24, 2007, 11:24 a.m. CST

    so did they audition him

    by INWOsuxRED

    or just say "hey, that guy did a voice behind a mask, lets use him"?

  • March 24, 2007, 11:25 a.m. CST

    A very nice choice!

    by Barl

    I really like this choice, Hugo Weaving has a very distinct voice and he can sound really meaniscing at times.

  • March 24, 2007, 11:31 a.m. CST

    No Frank Welker?

    by Dazzler69

    That's bullshit! I am sure agent smith will do ok but all I am going to be thinking is this movie needs the real Megatron's voice.

  • March 24, 2007, 11:33 a.m. CST

    Maybe on Dvd

    by Dazzler69

    they could have a way to change Megatron's voice to Frank Welker? I am sure that would be a good geek project after it's released on DVD.

  • March 24, 2007, 11:36 a.m. CST

    great choice, and none of this on dvd shit, you will

    by wcoop893

    all be there opening weekend i promise you. just to see the effects. stop crying.

  • March 24, 2007, 11:39 a.m. CST

    "Who's Frank Welker?"

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    You're such a poseur, BSB.

  • March 24, 2007, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Andy Serkis

    by subgeniuszero

    is the shit. I agree he'd make an awesome Starscream. But they'd have to do all that modern digital processing on his voice to make it sound "machine like", which is one thing they're doing to all the robot voices in this movie (or so I've heard).

  • March 24, 2007, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Keanu Reeves should voice Optimus Prime

    by apass

    how about it, fanboys & fangirls, hahahahaaa

  • March 24, 2007, 11:48 a.m. CST

    im not hating tformers, im just being realistic

    by wcoop893

    with the movie that we are going to get, and with the movie that would work best. the movie you all want would and will never get made because there wont be a large enouce audience for something silly like it in live action. i just try to be realistic

  • March 24, 2007, noon CST


    by TiNSeLToWN TeRRoR

    I AGREE 100%

  • March 24, 2007, 12:13 p.m. CST


    by wcoop893

    im just saying that from previous movies and a more mainstream cartoon, batman already had the fan base, and yeah youre right, it was a good movie and i suppose it was kind of smart as far as blockbusters go. no i take that back but it wasnt stupid. i havent and dont plan on reading the tformers script, but since michael bay is doing it, we know there will be some stupidity. but i think its all in good fun because really his movies are enjoyable to most people who havent decided to hate him already. and yeah the franchise needed a facelift, and it got one. nothing anyone can do about it. you will unfortunatly never get a fanboy huge budget tformers movie, so enjoy this for a huge ass summer blockbuster that it will be.

  • March 24, 2007, 12:18 p.m. CST

    spielberg sees the potential of a huge action movie

    by wcoop893

    from this franchise, and he also saw that bay is best for it. he said, im saying, none of you agree, but its all goood.

  • March 24, 2007, 12:22 p.m. CST

    this film will be the Ultimate Transformers film

    by Evil Hobbit

    Mark me words, you can't show the cheesy 80s cartoon bots in a life action film, those transformations would look like total shit. The redesigns are awesome, it's actually a machine that is transforming in a new form, not the semi-shapeshift from the cartoons.

  • March 24, 2007, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Where is PharteGoddPrime???

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Come on fool, step up.

  • March 24, 2007, 12:37 p.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    No, I stay.

  • March 24, 2007, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Be careful, BSB!

    by CreasyBear

    You swipe council estate scumbag's tagline and he'll probably do all manner of unspeakable acts of British-themed violence on you, all while railing against you in a Guy Ritchie / Snatch-like accent!

  • March 24, 2007, 12:42 p.m. CST

    On one hand... fuck. No Frank Welker.

    by fractureJonze

    On the other hand... fuck. No Frank Welker.

  • March 24, 2007, 12:43 p.m. CST

    "Harry called me to tell me how he loved it. "

    by UMAGA

    Gee, big surprise there Mikey Boy. I fucking hate Harry Knowles. Save us Moriarty.<br>br> Oh and messi stop fucking telling us about TFW2005. No one gives a shit what they say.

  • March 24, 2007, 12:47 p.m. CST

    Bay didn't call Yackbacker a dickwad.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    He was referring to the TB haters en masse.<P>However, I would LOVE for him to come in here and address some of you directly a la Kevin Smith.

  • March 24, 2007, 12:53 p.m. CST

    Just trying to piss of Transfans for no reason

    by superninja

    at this point, aren't they?

  • March 24, 2007, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Frank Welker... Sucked

    by vladimus

    I goddamned *loved* Transformers, but I wasn't blind to its flaws. Idiotic, simplistic characterization, continuity errors ahoy, weak scripts... and sorry, but, unlike Cullen, Frank Welker had absolutely no subtlety in his voicing of Megatron. He's a voice actor with an enormous breadth of vocal talents, but not a lot of depth (Fred from Scooby-Doo, anybody?). I think Weaving's a much better choice.

  • March 24, 2007, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Weaving has a great voice. Unfortunately, his

    by superninja

    voice is such that it's plainly clear it's Weaving, so this is just celebrity casting.

  • March 24, 2007, 12:57 p.m. CST

    Welker was great as Megatron, his

    by superninja

    voice is perfectly suited for that character, I can hardly imagine anyone else. The fact is that design for Megatron needs a voice like Weaving to come out of it too offset his ridiculous chandelier styling. Just the icing on the crapcake at this point.

  • March 24, 2007, 1 p.m. CST

    Megatron is like Lex Luthor. He is supposed

    by superninja

    to be superscillious and cruel, not commanding and authoritative. Prime is commanding and authoritative. Megatron holds it all together by his cruelty engendering fear. You're not supposed to think "Oooh...Megatron is so bad ass!" Just another example of how the filmmakers don't get the characters, that's all.

  • March 24, 2007, 1:01 p.m. CST

    Isn't it amazing that these filmmakers are more

    by superninja

    childish and stupid in their view of this property than the creators and writers of some 80s cartoon? Ironic.

  • March 24, 2007, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Bay should definitely address you, superninja.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    I've never seen someone so full of themselves and their own opinion about this movie than you. You're a special case.

  • March 24, 2007, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Michael Bay Blows!

    by sevenrivera

    Michael Bay is history's greatest monster. He has done more damage to American film making than any other person in history. He is a pathetic joke and I sincerely wish someone would beat him with a sack of hammers. I was excited about a Transformers movie right until I heard he was involved. Now I know it's going to suck balls. It will be filled with lame cliches, predictable and over-the-top stupid action, horrible dialogue, blaring music and overwrought emotion. God I can smell it from here. I hate you Michael Bay, I hate you so much. Almost as much as you missed the mark when you made Pearl Harbor.

  • March 24, 2007, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Bring it, Mr. Nice Gaius.

    by superninja

    You seem to be a particular know it all when it comes to my opinions.

  • March 24, 2007, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Hey, at least I'm not proposing to beat

    by superninja

    Bay with a sack of hammers. I even said I liked The Island was optimistic about Bay making the film until I read the script and saw the direction they were taking the film. I completely disagree with the direction, it barely has anything to do with the original source material. Really, I don't see how you can defend that other than to say you really don't care about the source material.

  • March 24, 2007, 1:09 p.m. CST

    "Boy I get tired of these lame cry babies on the net."

    by Playkins

    DAMMIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bay basically just handed a million fanboys a licence to bitch. Talk about validating all this movie hate-speak. He should have never admitted that movie geeks get to him at all.

  • March 24, 2007, 1:10 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    If I seem to know about your opinions, it's because you post them OVER AND OVER AND OVER in these TBs. You're like a guy with a sore just can't stop touching it.<P>I'm not trying to bring anything. I just think a discussion between you and Bay would be revealing and highly entertaining.

  • March 24, 2007, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius, I get a kick out of reading

    by superninja

    your opinions, too. :D Look, just admit you don't care about the source material. That's obviously a perfectly valid viewpoint. You want to see Bay completely remake Transformers with little to do with the original characters and high concept.

  • March 24, 2007, 1:14 p.m. CST

    Just like the cartoon

    by vladimus

    sevenrivera: "It will be filled with lame cliches, predictable and over-the-top stupid action, horrible dialogue, blaring music and overwrought emotion." And that's different from the original *how*???

  • March 24, 2007, 1:15 p.m. CST

    Fanboy Bitching

    by sevenrivera

    I would like to clarify, I'm not upset if they deviate from the source material or who's voice does what or if Bumblebee has nipples - leave all that emotional geeky crap to the fanboys. All I care about is a good movie. Do a good movie and I'm stoked. Unfortunately, Michael Bay is COMPLETELY INCAPABLE OF MAKING ANYTHING APPROACHING EVEN A WATCHABLE MOVIE! He is a disaster of epic proportions. He is the Syphillis of the movie world. This is going to be another big budget horrible piece of clap-trap that should only be enjoyed by idiot foreigners who have no grasp of subtlety; instead, however, the American public will embarrass us all and make apologies for it as "fun and mindless action." Why does it have to be mindless? Because Michael Bay is more retarded than my brother Bilo.

  • March 24, 2007, 1:19 p.m. CST

    This whole website is about opinions. Or are

    by superninja

    you telling me it is a scientific treatise and we should stick to empirical methods? I don't get it when people disagree or are appalled by comments instead of refuting the actual arguement say, "Oh, well your opinions are too strong, or mean, or whatever..." Just have a laugh about it at that point.

  • March 24, 2007, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Transformers 80s Movie in London Theaters

    by CallerFromLA

    Transformers: The Movie (the original) is playing in limited-release in London movie theaters. Why not in LA? Argh? Robots dancing to "Dare to be Stupid" on the moon, man! You've got the touch!

  • March 24, 2007, 1:22 p.m. CST


    by sevenrivera

    When filming Team America, the cast and crew wore t-shirts that said "What would Michael Bay do?" That was their mantra while making the movie and whenever they came to a scene, they would ask themselves that question and in response they would add another over-the-top dead piece of dialogue or a lame catch phrase or a cliche'd action piece or a blasting guitar riff, etc. People think Team America was a statement about America's involvement in the war, which it was to a degree, but most don't realize that it really was intended primarily by Matt and Trey to be a scathing attack on the worst filmmaker in history - Michael Bay. Why does he still make movies - because idiots pay to see them?! Why? Why? Why? Every Michael Bay fan should be deported to Germany with the Mentos-commercial-making Funboys and the David Hasselhoff fans.

  • March 24, 2007, 1:29 p.m. CST


    by council estate scumbag

    its helmed by the rat faced michael bay yet i'm looking forward to it. all of us on my estate are gushing for this.

  • March 24, 2007, 1:35 p.m. CST


    by sevenrivera

    Sitting back and making fun is the job of the satirist. A satirist is not always required to find a solution, merely to highlight a problem in an amusing or insightful way. I raised Team America as a classic example of satire used to highlight the worst case of rectal cancer in the world today: Michael Bay. Transformers done correctly could have been an amazing movie - instead, they chose to crap all over it by giving it to scrotum boy Bay. Thanks, you bastards!

  • March 24, 2007, 1:37 p.m. CST

    RE: source material

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    superninja - well, it depends. There is a lot of different source material out there. Many different Generations and mediums to choose from. I remember the first time I saw the concept art for Megatron. I was disappointed because it did seem like such a radical departure from the G1 Megs everyone knows and loves. I even said so on these boards. But if you look at all the other versions of Megs that have popped up over the years - THEY FUCKING SUCK!!! So, ironically, I actually think this movie version may work. I think the level of realism they are shooting for is going to make sense of these designs. (I even think Prime looks more regal now than ever.) But as you might say, that's just my opinion.<P>Now, I watched the Transformers cartoon everday when I was a kid. But I don't need a slavish reproduction of the cartoon to be optimistic about this film. Though they may look different, the original characters are there. As for the "high concept" (I assume you mean the alien-robot war concept), it seems in place to me. Bottom Line: they have "remade" the Transformers since the moment Prime died. Why stop now?

  • March 24, 2007, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Hey, if it can't be welker..

    by beatitudesputnik

    ... this will do. This will do, big time.

  • March 24, 2007, 1:47 p.m. CST


    by sevenrivera

    If given a time machine, a rusty old coat hanger and a wet/dry vac and told that you could go back in time and perform a messy late-third trimester abortion on one fetus, who would you choose? At the end of the day, I'd have to go with Hitler over Michael Bay, but you'd be surprised at how close the call would be. Ask me again after I've seen five minutes of Transformers on cable (no way I'm paying to see it) and I think the answer may even change.

  • March 24, 2007, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Hey Yack!

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    BTW: Bay didn't specify you as a "dickwad". He was talking to the overall TB hater population. Like I said earlier, I would love for him to come to AICN. Wouldn't that be something?!<P>They could even give him the fabled "Black Box"!!!

  • March 24, 2007, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Gaius, I understand where you are coming from, but

    by superninja

    certainly you can understand those of us with an appreciation of the original and you must admit they have deviated from all of the iterations significantly here. When it's something I care less about, it bothers me less. In this case, I think the original version is such a fantastic idea, that it needed so little alteration, I am disappointed in their adaptation of it to the big screen. I think it's a very immature take on it compared with the cartoon, the focus is all wrong.

  • March 24, 2007, 1:55 p.m. CST


    by Bloo

    add my name to that list...I'm not as flashy as Yack or ninja but I've got some serious questions to ask Mr. Bay

  • March 24, 2007, 1:57 p.m. CST

    Oh, I would love for Bay to come here and

    by superninja

    defend his choices. However, that would just bring a flamewar and Bay doesn't really have any defense - as I said before I don't consider him the problem here - he's just taking an idea and running with it. No, invite the screenwriters and producers here. The ones who claim to LOVE Transformers.

  • March 24, 2007, 2:01 p.m. CST

    My point is that Bay doesn't care about

    by superninja

    the Transformers, I doubt he knows anything about the characters. All he knows is THAT SCRIPT, so what is there to ask? He's not going to have any brilliant ideas about why they choose to change anything - he has no original point of reference. What we want are the producers and writers.

  • March 24, 2007, 2:02 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Why is it that your ripping off council estate's style doesn't surprise me?<P>Wot's a sad load of tossers like yuz gonna do anyways, eh?.<P>I'm the Face.

  • March 24, 2007, 2:02 p.m. CST

    TINO ! TINO ! TINO !

    by Pound Sand


  • March 24, 2007, 2:04 p.m. CST

    There is still hope for Transformers...................

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    I will cringe when I see flames on Optimus. But I will still watch TF hoping for a good movie. I did like Michael Bay's The Rock, so there still is hope for the Transformers.<BR><BR> Mr, Bay,<BR> It's not the script I am most worried about, it's the robot designs and characterizations. Even if us old school fans are not in your primary target audience, I ask that you CONSIDER revising the designs to be more consistent with how G1 (and Transformers in general) have always looked when making future TF sequels/stuff. <BR> Optimus as a big red truck, Bumblebee as a small subcompact car...and robot modes that APPROACH the designs of the past. No, they do NOT have to be boxy. And they do NOT have to be even close to the old designs. Just influenced and respectful of the old designs. THAT'S ALL. THAT'S ALL WE WANT. If you can do that, you'll may be able to please an entire audience segment along with your primary one. Thanks.

  • March 24, 2007, 2:05 p.m. CST



    I take my boot... turn that som bitch sideways... and stick it straight up.... BAYS CANDY ASS! <p> :)

  • March 24, 2007, 2:05 p.m. CST

    Moi "flashy?"

    by Yack Backer

    I've gotten more mellow over these past few months. I know Bay didn't call me personally a "dickwad." Sly Stallone was the first *real* celeb to call me by my screename and that was in the throes of the Balboa Love-Fest of last year (to this day the greatest stretch of time at AICN ever). Hey BSB, did you buy your copy of ROCKY BALBOA yet? I just picked mine up this afternoon.

  • March 24, 2007, 2:07 p.m. CST

    No reason to bitch

    by Maximillian Roivas

    At least we got Cullen. That's all that matters. Getting to hear Agent Smith taking on Optimus will make my inner 12 year old go a big rubbery one in the theater.

  • March 24, 2007, 2:07 p.m. CST

    Bay over Hitler

    by sevenrivera

    Someone just admitted that they would painfully abort the fetus of Michael Bay instead of Hitler if given the chance and I found myself saying, "Ok, that's tough but fair." That's gotta tell you something about Mr. Bay and his ability to make a film. As for the guy that blames the producers and screenwriters, oh they definitely suck too and deserve blame, but the lion's share has to fall on Mr. Bay. He's the one that looks at a scene on the page and says, "Yes this works, but it would work soooo much better if they were saying it with a blistering electrical guitar solo in the background and if we could somehow get Ben Afleck or his equivalent involved, that'd be sweet. Oh and we need to tack on an explosion right here that knocks the guy's helmet off in an amusing way, and finally, can we get her to say it after a dramatic pause during which she whips off her glasses? Awesome. And we need a catchphrase here, something like 'Looks like we just took out the trash!'"

  • March 24, 2007, 2:08 p.m. CST

    For most of us the designs are an afterthought, the

    by superninja

    reflection of a much bigger problem. Our problem is with the draft script, which Bay admits himself, that the new and improved version has the EXACT SAME BEATS. And it's no good as a Transformers story. The story is no good. The main characters are not the robots. And obviously the Megatron design is just inexcuseable from a pure design standpoint.

  • March 24, 2007, 2:11 p.m. CST

    damn you michael bay

    by the toad

    damn you michael bay

  • March 24, 2007, 2:13 p.m. CST

    messi, the people complaining about us

    by superninja

    complaining have a one-track mind (sorry Gaius). They need to just admit they don't care very much about the source material. We do, we care about the integrity of the original myth from which all the other iterations flowed. That is an important point. It would be like making a Superman movie from the POV of Jimmy Olson and having Superman be Lex Luthor's brother. No one would mistake that for the real Superman.

  • March 24, 2007, 2:17 p.m. CST

    Holy shit, messi!

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...was I even addressing you??? Easy tiger!

  • March 24, 2007, 2:19 p.m. CST

    That's because JJ Abrams wanted to make

    by superninja

    his Superman, not the real Superman. And that can be valid if he improves on the myth. But usually, they can't. :)

  • March 24, 2007, 2:19 p.m. CST

    I mean, Singer just attempted it and failed

    by superninja

    horribly. Bay will not improve on the Transformers mythology one iota.

  • March 24, 2007, 2:22 p.m. CST


    by Yack Backer

    First off, welcome to the party, I don't know if we've spoken to one another in the past. As for your point about Bay being responsible, I think you're right. When reading the script for TF, it became apparent to me that the screenwriters were tailoring their work to Bay's mentality too. Bay doesn't like character scenes as it forces him to keep the camera still. Mikey like to break stuff and shake camera! Mikey smash! Yay! <p> And as for Stallone's troubles in Australia, Sly- I'm here for you if you need an extra cut-man in your legal team corner.

  • March 24, 2007, 2:24 p.m. CST

    Source Material

    by sevenrivera

    Is it nice when they can stick with the source material and make a good movie (I think X-Men (until that abomination of a third movie) or Spiderman have generally done a good job with that) but it's also ok if they deviate from the source material in an intelligent and entertaining way (like Batman Begins). It's the "intelligent and entertaining" that Michael Bay is incapable of doing and that is why this movie is going to eat a bag of dicks.

  • March 24, 2007, 2:24 p.m. CST

    oh well, gany- again we disagree on something

    by Yack Backer

    But that's really a matter of personal tastes. I see TEAM AMERICA as some pretty biting and sharp satire. If you and I hung out, watched the movie and ate pizza all the while, I think I could convince you of what I mean.

  • March 24, 2007, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Who wants to flame Hugo Weaving, gany?

    by superninja

    Most people like the guy enough.

  • March 24, 2007, 2:27 p.m. CST

    You know, just reading my comment above

    by Yack Backer

    It sounds like I've propositioned ganymede. Dude, my subconscious thoughts are very naughty apparently!

  • March 24, 2007, 2:27 p.m. CST

    vladimus re: "Just like the cartoon"

    by Immortal_Fish

    It's been leaked that only 25% of this movie contains the robots. Hence, 75% of it will be the humans with their "lame cliches, horrible dialogue, blaring music and overwrought emotion." But you're prolly right that the robots will bring the remaining 25% of the "predictable and over-the-top stupid action."

  • March 24, 2007, 2:28 p.m. CST

    Team America is hilarious if not a little vulgar.

    by superninja

    But of course I will not get much agreement on that here. :) I still think of Ebert's review about the dam breaking and the dolls floating facedown being more moving than most disaster films he had seen. Hahah, and it was kinda true.

  • March 24, 2007, 2:30 p.m. CST


    by sevenrivera

    Thanks Yack - I usually just lurk around, but the bile in my stomach over the thought of Michael Bay helming a Transformers movie spewed forth and forced me to action. Agent Smith can be Megatron, hell Will Smith can be Megatron, for all I care if they would just take Bay off this movie. Can you imagine a JJ Abrams or Joss Whedon or Sam Raimi or Peter Jackson or James Cameron Transformers? Instead, what do we get? We get Michael "Armageddon/Pearl Harbor" Bay.

  • March 24, 2007, 2:30 p.m. CST

    Immortal Fish, Bay refutes this on his website

    by superninja

    claiming the film has 12 action setpieces and it's the most action he's ever shot. Not that Bay is one to exaggerate, or anything... ;) <p> It would be interesting to go back to the draft script and see if that's already what's in there and he's acting like it's new, or if they did add anything. </p>

  • March 24, 2007, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Well, let's get into TEAM AMERICA for a bit here

    by Yack Backer

    Why I think the satire works: It is SO vulgar and so over the top that that's the whole point of spoofing the genre. It's supposed to be absurd not for the shock value (alone, at least) but because they (Stone and Parker) are saying that the action genre too often shuffles off its morality in its own insipid ways. TEAM AMERICA is just doing the same thing but amplifying it for the sake of comedy (ex: dolls having porn-star sex). So on the surface it's a goofy, profane movie but not too deep below that exterior it is a well-disciplined satire I think.

  • March 24, 2007, 2:33 p.m. CST

    David Caruso

    by Kiera Knightley's Sexy Beanpole

    can be Weaving's stunt voice double. He's only been imitating him for years on CSI:Miami

  • March 24, 2007, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Just out of the gate, they come to Earth looking

    by superninja

    for the Cosmic Ke-I mean, "Matrix" instead of crash landing and being stranded here in a guerilla war. Just think about how that changes all of the character's motivations and the whole focus of the story. Terrible.

  • March 24, 2007, 2:36 p.m. CST


    by Phategod2

    I expected it but at this point I don't care anymore I'm more excited about Prostate exams then I am about this movie. Hey Yack I got that 50 inch samsung DLP. Ganymede you flip flop so much I officially dub you JohnKerrytron2000.

  • March 24, 2007, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Yack Backer, I agree with your analysis, but

    by superninja

    obviously these two are consistently vulgar, so I do think it is vulgar for vulgarity's sake as well.

  • March 24, 2007, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Team America

    by sevenrivera

    is brilliant for all of the reasons Yack eloquently articulates and more. It's a statement about what's wrong with today's action movie genre as well as the hyper-patriotism prevailing today and the ridiculous influence liberal activist actors have on issues about which they have no business uttering a word. Matt and Trey manage to hit the right and the left with equal vigor all the while mercilessly mocking Michael Bay and his ilk. I say they are amazing (or at least Trey Parker is - Matt Stone is Ben Affleck to his Matt Damon). If you ever want my politics on any given issue, consult South Park (series and movie) and/or Team America and chances are I agree with 99% of what they say. Plus, who doesn't laugh at a good dick joke?

  • March 24, 2007, 2:41 p.m. CST

    "Boy I get tired of these lame cry babies on the net"

    by photoboy

    Yeah, go fuck yourself too Bay. The only lame one is you and your complete inability to understand what is required of a Transformers film.

  • March 24, 2007, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Phate, congrats!

    by Yack Backer

    Tax season was good to you, no doubt. Now tell me about your cable/satellite situation. That puppy puts out 1080p, so we gotta make sure it's happy. And did you buy an HDMI cable yet?

  • March 24, 2007, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Different Creators?

    by vladimus

    Good point, Immortal_Fish. On a different note, does anyone think it might be a good idea to have different creators do their own interpretations of the Transformers mythology? I'd love to see a Luc Besson Transformers, a Guierrmo Del Toro Transformers, a Neill Blomkamp Transformers, etc.

  • March 24, 2007, 2:48 p.m. CST

    Of course

    by Phategod2

    My apartment gave me the "No satillite dish" rigamarole and I don't feel like litigating so I have Comcast Hidef Picked up a HDMI cable from Target for $40. its funny it's capable of 1080p but Cable Broadcasts in 1080i. Xbox 360 Looks Amazing though. Even wack movies like Ultra Violet looks good. I can't wait for 300 on DVD.

  • March 24, 2007, 2:48 p.m. CST

    sevenrivera, re "Source Material"

    by Immortal_Fish

    "Is it nice when they can stick with the source material and make a good movie (I think X-Men have generally done a good job with that)"<P>Singer's X-Men was faithful to the source material?<P>lol

  • March 24, 2007, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Immortal Fish, while not faithful in details

    by superninja

    X-Men was faithful to the spirit of the comic book.

  • March 24, 2007, 2:51 p.m. CST


    by sevenrivera

    Laugh. Sorry Immortal_Fish, you are right. I was reaching there. I was trying to think of some example of somebody sticking to the source material and doing it well and I kind of farted instead. I'm . . . I'm retarded. You get my point though right? That sticking to the source is great, but it's not a fatal error if you deviate as long as you deviate well. This will not deviate well. This will just plain suck on a cockbag.

  • March 24, 2007, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Phate, and gany

    by Yack Backer

    First, to Phate- where did you buy your set? And I'm guessing since you have the X-Box that you have (or are going to get) the HD-DVD add-on as well. It's funny that you mentioned Ultra-Violet, I just watched that movie in HD a couple of weeks ago... just because it was in HD.<p> Gany, if I am proven wrong, you're the first person I'm telling about that fact. I will NOT hide that from you.

  • March 24, 2007, 2:55 p.m. CST

    Those "libertarians" are smarter than the

    by superninja

    progressive legislators running our state.

  • March 24, 2007, 2:56 p.m. CST

    You us liberals a bad name with your flip flopping.

    by Phategod2

    Love or hate this movie Gany make up your mind.

  • March 24, 2007, 3 p.m. CST

    They also have a sense of humor.

    by superninja

    But I with Yack, if this movie gets reviews that say it knocks it out of the park, I will go see it and then happily eat my hat. They hired a comic book writer to punch up some of the robot's dialogue, so who knows? But that doesn't change the nature of the story itself.

  • March 24, 2007, 3:04 p.m. CST

    I'm looking for what the critic say about

    by Phategod2

    The Character dev. it;s never been one of Bays strong points NOt just the TF's but the Humans This movie is chocked full of stars and B-list actors I'd like to see what the critics say about there porfances. I got the set from Circuit city I got tired of waitng for to get more in stock.

  • March 24, 2007, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Phate, you will be able to tell from the reviews

    by superninja

    if it is schlock or not. Some people will give it a pass, others who know better will focus on the characters and the story as you mentioned.

  • March 24, 2007, 3:06 p.m. CST

    Nah, were saving Jesus Christ for the GI Joe movie

    by Style_92

    As Cobra Commander.

  • March 24, 2007, 3:09 p.m. CST

    That's the spirit, supes

    by Yack Backer

    But honestly... there's almost no shot we're going to be wrong :)

  • March 24, 2007, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Did someone mention Ultraviolet?

    by S-Mart shopper

    WORST FUCKING MOVIE GOING EXPERIENCE EVER...AAAAAHHHHGGGGG!!!<p>sorry, I'm better now.<p>Bayformers WILL suck the dirty limp one.

  • March 24, 2007, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Agreed Yack

    by sevenrivera

    You're right, there's absolutely no shot we're wrong on this one. I just wish I could buy stock in how much this movie is going to suck. Not how much money it's going to make, which unfortunately it probably will make a lot because people are stupid, but stock in how truly awful it is going to be. God I hate you Michael Bay, so much. So very much.

  • March 24, 2007, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Have my doubts as well, Yack.

    by superninja

    Especially since Bay is perturbed. If the film was so stinkin' spectacular, why is he annoying?

  • March 24, 2007, 3:14 p.m. CST

    Why are Murphy, Bay and all of their acolytes

    by superninja

    so defensive if this movie knocks it out of the park? Maybe it's because it's HACKILICIOUS?

  • March 24, 2007, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Hmm...I think you mean if we replaced Bay's

    by superninja

    brain with that of an advanced life form, right?

  • March 24, 2007, 3:22 p.m. CST

    BSB, I seem to recall you had no preferences

    by superninja

    in that area, either, so I'm not sure how that is coming from you.

  • March 24, 2007, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Does Chyna make you blink, too?

    by superninja

    Because Brad Pitt's kinda girly for a man and Chyna is kinda man for a girl.

  • March 24, 2007, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Alright, I'll get off your case. We know this:

    by superninja

    Verbinski is going to own come this summer!

  • March 24, 2007, 3:30 p.m. CST

    Daniel Craig made me blink

    by Yack Backer

    But then Eva Green came in and reminded me of all that is good and glorious in this robot-eat-robot world.

  • March 24, 2007, 3:30 p.m. CST

    I say again-Alan Rickman for Starscream...

    by moobit

    any takers/other suggestions??

  • March 24, 2007, 3:31 p.m. CST

    Bay's attack

    by INWOsuxRED

    is probably the worst thing since the pic of megapincusion, as far as making me think this wil suck. At least some of the purdy moving pictures made me think that seeing the robots could offset the likely shortcomings. When Bay is attacking critics this far out, to me it smells like he is already trying to place blame for the bad reviews that haven't even been written yet, and the bad word of mouth to follow.

  • March 24, 2007, 3:32 p.m. CST

    "remember how Sly came onto AICN and how he was nice"

    by Playkins

    Had to comment on that- A friend of mine worked on "Cliffhanger" and told me that Sly was a GIGANTIC asshole. He won't see any more Stallone movies because of it. Don't kid yourself into thinking his AICN appearance was any more than geek PR.

  • March 24, 2007, 3:40 p.m. CST

    Playkins, anything pre-GET CARTER Sly did

    by Yack Backer

    is forgiven. Back around CLIFFHANGER< Sly was a $20 million/picture star. The humility and passion he showed with ROCKY BALBOA is from a different person than the guy in CLIFFHANGER, in my opinion.

  • March 24, 2007, 3:45 p.m. CST

    That's my guess as well, INWO.

    by superninja

    No one starts complaining this early the way Murphy and now Bay have unless they know it will not be well received. It's nonsense to call this movie Transformers.

  • March 24, 2007, 3:47 p.m. CST

    You're right BSB...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...I don't like vaginas.<P>I FUCKING LOVE THEM.<P>Once you stop trying to suck Chyna and Brad Pitts dick, you should try going back to that lovely female body part.<P>Poseur.

  • March 24, 2007, 3:47 p.m. CST


    by Dollar Bird

    This is a bit of casting. When I was young, and the world was still a fresh ball of cooling gases, I loved Welker's Megatron. Heck, I loved all of the voices on that show. But recently I listened to a wav file or something on some website where Welker reprised his voice of Megatron. I don't know if it was that they didn't use the same "metal voice effect" from the old show or that Welker just plain forgot what that voice was like, but it didn't sound the same. It sounded closer to his Dr. Claw voice than anything, and that's a poor comparison at that. So, if Welker won't do it, then who? In the show, Megatron was always more of a bully than anything, so he'd need that angry, commanding voice. But rumor says Bay's Megatron is more of a social-evolutionist than an asshole. So, the gruff Welker wouldn't fit. But Weaving? He's too calm. I don't know who'd be better, but Weaving just doesn't seem right. His voice isn't imposing, just chilling. Also, Willem Defoe for Starscream is brilliant. That would be a re-casting I could handle (and not just b/c Latta's dead.)

  • March 24, 2007, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Finally, the online script every naysayer stands by...

    by moto

    ... has been confirmed as NOT being the shooting script. Common sense. Here is why I like what Bay said. "Boy I get tired of these lame cry babies on the net." Put yourself in a director's place. Forget that it's Bay, who despite the majority of TBers hate is a guy that has obviously entertained the masses... what's wrong with that? Nobody's calling him Robert Altman or anything... anyway, put yourself in a DIRECTOR'S place. He/She is working their ass off, along with a few hundred cast, crew, etc. And all they are hearing regarding anticipation for their film from one particular site is, "I've read the script and I hated it! This movie's going to suck! There designs are all wrong! The characters suck! The dialogue sucks." etc. etc. etc. So they read this stuff, knowing that A) They HAVEN'T read the final script B) They haven't seen the finished product. etc. I'd say the same shit too. So would you. It's good to know that a director isn't going to let anyone direct his movie for him. He's doing it his way. I respect that. <p> Now before people start calling me a Bay lover. I'm not. I was entertained by Bad Boys and the Rock. The first half of Armegeddon was fun at best. The Island looked great, but was lacking story-wise. BB 2 was over-the-top. AND LET ME SAY THIS... I was pissed as hell at what he did with Pearl Harbor!! A disrespectful manipulation/exploitation of that "day of infamy". BUT, in the end he is what he is. He can stage a huge spectacle. He can and has entertained the masses. In my opinion, he is the perfect choice for a movie ABOUT ROBOTS THAT TRANSFORM AND FIGHT EACH OTHER AND BLOW SHIT UP... because in the end, no matter what anyone says, that is what the G1 show was about. I'm a HUGE G1 fan. Watch the episodes on DVD. Not a whole lot of depth there. Not at all. But I still love it. At some point, you have to let go of G1 when you are looking at an adaptation of the material that is almost 25 years old and stemmed from the 80s. As a lifelong fan of G1, I can say that Transformers was about robots that transformed. You had your good guys and you had your bad guys. That is the central theme. And Bay and Spielberg thus far, from what LITTLE we've seen, have captured that. They've added some weight to the concept too, showing how that battle between the autobots and decepticons affected the human race, something that was just mildy explored in the G1 series. No movie delivers to anyone/everyone 100%. I'll take what I love about it, and anything I don't like I'll leae behind. It doesn't effect the role that G1 Transformers played in my childhood. It doesn't "rape" that childhood memory because I still have the DVDs of the series. I'm just thankful that after all of these years, I finally get to see live action (well close to it) Transformers battling it out on Earth! <P> And yes, Yack my friend, I'm in preacher boy mode;) It's "how I roll".

  • March 24, 2007, 3:55 p.m. CST

    To top it off, I suspect Weaving is stunt-casting.

    by superninja

    Who are doing the rest of the robot voices? Uh, Bryan Cox, Mark Ryan, Brian Stepanek...

  • March 24, 2007, 3:57 p.m. CST

    And get this bit...a toy developed of an

    by superninja

    iDog Bumblebee in relation to the movie. Hmmm....

  • March 24, 2007, 4 p.m. CST

    Yack loves Rocky Balboa too?

    by moto

    Hey, something we can agree on! I got the DVD from Sony a week before release and have to say that it was widely anticipated! I was hoping to see some deleted scenes involving Duke, though. Stallone mentioned a Director's Cut, so I'm sure he held back a lot of deleted scenes... frackin' double dipper! Great flick and great DVD though. Stallone really redeemed himself as an actor/director/writer and artist (he did too with Copland, to no avail). <p> Only thing missing was a scene or two having Rocky approach Duke to convince him to train with him again. Would have been great. Could have mirrored Rocky II when Mickey didn't want to train Rocky again. Anyway, love that film. Interested to see "John Rambo"... although I hope they change the title... too derivative (sp?) of Rocky Balboa.

  • March 24, 2007, 4:01 p.m. CST


    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    fuck his "noble" crusade and fuck anyone who admires his "tenacity"...where the fuck do you guys come up with that shit? how is some fat life-less fuck posting 4 words over and over again anything special? he has never explained his reasons for hating this shit so much, and that isnt even what pisses me off...what DOES is that even after all this bullshit he's talked he's gonna be in line DAY FUCKING ONE!!! we all know it. most of you guys will be too. maybe not as fans, but out of morbid curiosity. so keep crying MCM, you dumb fuck. keep crying about your 200 million dollar toy commercial being "raped".

  • March 24, 2007, 4:03 p.m. CST

    moto, the depth of G1 was never in the cartoon.

    by TheNorthlander

    It was in the comicbooks. They dealt with the complexity of morals and ethics, rights and wrongs, on a level the animated tv-show never approached.

  • March 24, 2007, 4:05 p.m. CST

    I do admit, Weaving is stunt casting...

    by moto

    You're right Superninja. I have no problem with it, but does seem like the powers that be said hey, let's throw a fanboy favorite in the mix and see what happens. I'm sure they're reading this though, and going, "Man, these guys will NEVER be happy! We gave them Agent fucking Smith and they even bitch about THAT!" Prime reason why I just don't think a studio/filmmaker could/should/would rely on a fan base to tell them how to make their movie.

  • March 24, 2007, 4:11 p.m. CST

    They shouldn't rely on the fan base. But they

    by superninja

    should have a good idea of what the fanbase wants and why the idea has been successful for so long and they clearly don't. To you it was just a cartoon to sell toys - obviously it is way beyond that at this point. What is your favorite fictional character, moto?

  • March 24, 2007, 4:11 p.m. CST


    by moto

    Yeah, but the comic is a bi product of the G1 show. They're not making the movie based on the popularity of the comic book. A majority of G1 fans aren't seeing (or not seeing) the movie because of the comic either. It's the TV series. You're one of the only people on transformers talkback to even mention it. But you're right, the comic really took it into a whole new direction, character and story-wise. Same with the G.I. Joe comics.

  • March 24, 2007, 4:12 p.m. CST

    How about Kiefer as Starscream?

    by Bones

    Imagine his voice, similar to how it was in Dark City, only NOT a Peter Lorre is a weasily barritone...

  • March 24, 2007, 4:15 p.m. CST


    by TheNorthlander

    sad, but true. hey - maybe that's what's wrong with some of these sad fuckers like MCMLXXVI? If they'd read the comic when growing up instead of watching cartoons, they would have been adults now.

  • March 24, 2007, 4:16 p.m. CST

    Oh, and when this movies sucks...

    by Bones

    ...I'll just go and watch the Animated Movie from '86...<p> "You got the got the Pooooowwweerrr...."

  • March 24, 2007, 4:20 p.m. CST

    I so enjoyed his role in Dark City

    by Phategod2

    Could Imagine him doing that character as Jack Bauer.

  • March 24, 2007, 4:22 p.m. CST

    Hey moto

    by Yack Backer

    Yeah, we'll always have ROCKY BALBOA to unite us in geekdom. I'm probably going to crack it open in an hour or so to quickly watch the deleted scenes. As for Bay's comments re: the "script" I'm not all that impressed. It's the same story and if all they're changing is the robots' dialogue... well, that's about 5-10 pages total of work. And the robots' dialogue wasn't bad- it was the inane human stuff (which constitutes 90% of the movie) that sucks the chrome off this tailpipe of a movie.

  • March 24, 2007, 4:23 p.m. CST

    Getting Cullen and now Weaving is just their

    by superninja

    attempt to buy the fans off. Only a chump would fall for this kind of stick/carrot approach to separate you from your $10.

  • March 24, 2007, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Never said it was a cartoon to sell toys...

    by moto

    ... never said that. I said the concept that made it popular was robots that transform. They arrive on Earth and battle it out for energon cubes. That's what it was all about, and that's what the movie is about. <P> Anyway, favorite character? Soundwave was awesome (Frank Welker did his voice too)! Doesn't get any better than him, always collecting info from both Autobots and Decepticons. But I have to admit, Prime is my favorite. Smart leader but ready to throw down when his Autobots are fucked with. I eventually liked Ultra Magnus in the movie too. Hound and Trailbreaker would follow.

  • March 24, 2007, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Actually, Yack, me superninja say it is full of

    by superninja

    ceisium salami!

  • March 24, 2007, 4:32 p.m. CST

    Wheelie Say'

    by Phategod2

    "Kill Bay today"

  • March 24, 2007, 4:33 p.m. CST

    I meant outside of TF, moto. Something fictional

    by superninja

    you really like. And I realised after I made my comment that I mischaracterized your view, I apologize. The movie doesn't have Energon cubes, and they're not stranded on Earth, they come here looking for their cosmic MacGuffin.

  • March 24, 2007, 4:36 p.m. CST

    "Quick let's hire a writer to put those energon cube

    by superninja

    thingees in the movie!" Michael Bay frantically types to Don Murphy.

  • March 24, 2007, 4:36 p.m. CST

    The MacGuffin = The Allspark

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Apparently, that is what gives life to the Transformers. Last I heard, "sparks" = TF canon.

  • March 24, 2007, 4:36 p.m. CST

    I like Hugo

    by Phategod2

    But I cant get that picture of him in Drag out of my head And with Megatron Looking like something from a H. Giger Porno it doesn't help.

  • March 24, 2007, 4:38 p.m. CST


    by moto

    Yeah, the DVD is great. The docus are awesome. Man Sly is cut at age 60! <P> Bay's comments? He clearly said there was major retooling to the script. He didn't say all that was changed was dialogue. "I kept the only draft for the last two months before shooting. That's where did major retooling to the script - yes the scene beats are similar but a very different script. We are still writing the robot voices. They talk about just 20 minutes of action at the end - yeah right. This is by far the most action I have ever put into a movie - I have 12 huge set pieces." When he's talking scene beats, he's most likely saying that structure-wise the script has the same dramatic and action plot points. <p> Weeks ago in some TB, I had said to Superninja I think that the online script to me read like a first draft... which usually in big movies like this means that it's the blue print from which to start at. That's why you see early scripts of Batman and Superman, etc. that have many similar characters, plot points, and especially action sequences, but the final script that is shot is VERY different from those early drafts.

  • March 24, 2007, 4:41 p.m. CST

    Phate, I don't think we do ourselves any favors

    by superninja

    or lend credibility to our arguements by suggesting Bay be physically harmed. Making fun of his coke habit is not off the table, though.

  • March 24, 2007, 4:47 p.m. CST

    I know I know

    by Phategod2

    But Interjecting TF Reference at his expense is fun. Side NOte Bay has been tapped to Produce and Probably Direct a movie about the Apocalypse. Titled the day I won a Oscar starring Keanu Reeves.

  • March 24, 2007, 4:49 p.m. CST

    ok so this sucks

    by DHAMAKA2007

    first they fucking ruin all the robots look and now they can't get the original guy to do voice for megatron. I heard will smith will be voice of some robot not sure who!!! I think that will turn out to be true as well. BIG FUCK YOU TO AICN FOR SUPPORTING MICHAEL BAY AND HIS CRAPPY MOVIES. BIG FUCK YOU FOR ALSO SUPPORTING TRANSFORMERS MOVIE WHICH ISN'T EVEN CLOSE TO WHAT THE CARTOON WAS.

  • March 24, 2007, 4:49 p.m. CST


    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    i think ur dead on about the script idea. ive said on these boards before that blockbuster type films almost always rely on a first/early draft to begin production and changes happen almost 100% of the time. <P> also i know it seems like i can be kinda quick to attack on the TF boards, but i think it just comes from me not ever having been a huge TF fan. sure i liked em ok as a kid but to me, they were never more than giant fighting robots and some cool toys. i just think there are way better franchises out there and i cant help but think this is all a bad case of fanboys trying way too hard to justify their lov for something that most people moved on from LONG ago (and im not bashing fanboyism mind you, my study full of DVDs, comic books and action figures is proof of my guilt :P )

  • March 24, 2007, 4:50 p.m. CST

    To those who say the G1 robot designs are outdated.....

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    The Evangelion look is over 10 years old itself!

  • March 24, 2007, 4:50 p.m. CST

    It's the same story, moto. You can see by

    by superninja

    the trailers they've already released come on! I know what a STORY beat is. A STORY beat. It is not about the pacing, it is key moments related to the story. They've added some backstory and did rewrites of the dialogue to flesh out the robot characters - a glaring hole in the draft script.

  • March 24, 2007, 4:50 p.m. CST

    Fanboys need reality check

    by Tai_Pan

    You people need to get off your high horses. "Michael Bay can't make a decent film!" is incompatable with your love of cartoon about robots fighting over energy cubes. It's not fucking Shakespeare, it's TRANSFORMERS! At its core is a show about big robots that change shape, fight each other, and had kooky personalities. I guess Scorsece was too busy to direct and Coppolla was too busy bottling wine to do the film, so STFU!!!! Thank God it isn't that Paul Anderson guy, and wait for the friggin movie to come out, because no one cares about your opinion of Bay's record or your premonitions of how bad the movie will be.

  • March 24, 2007, 4:52 p.m. CST

    Oh, OTHER than Transformers..

    by moto

    .. my bad. Good question. Film-wise, Brando's Stanley and Newman's Fast Eddie are probably tied for #1 overall. Others would be: Mad Max is a favorite character. Rough, beaten, but a true survivor. Will Hunting. Flawed but good... a very dynamic character. Richard Dreyfuss' character in Close Encounters. John McClane in Die Hard. Martin Riggs in Lethal Weapon 1 and 2. And Chunk in Goonies. Gotta mention the Chunk. Why do you ask? What are yours?

  • March 24, 2007, 4:53 p.m. CST


    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    kid, are you off your fucking meds? since when has AICN TBers EVER supported Bays movies? of course he's saying "fuck you"...he HATES the pplon these boards because they are impossible to make happy 95% of the time. we've all shot ourselves in the foot too many times now to be taken seriously...well,maybe Stallone will still listen to us but thats just because he's the man... Rocky Balboa DVD is awesome btw

  • March 24, 2007, 4:53 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Come back to AICN when you can type a cohesive sentence.

  • March 24, 2007, 4:56 p.m. CST


    by Pound Sand

  • March 24, 2007, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Damn you Superninja!

    by moto

    Hey, I think you misread me. I said "When he's talking scene beats, he's most likely saying that structure-wise the script has the same dramatic and action plot points." Plot points ARE a big part of the story, obviously, and I didn't say that the story is different. You can have the same general story/synopsis (i.e. same plot points, etc) and still have two or three or four different ways of displaying that story/synopsis. Not saying EVERYTHING IS DIFFERENT at all. Anyway, this is an argument that neither of us can win until the movie is there as "proof". So again, agree to disagree I guess is my stance.

  • March 24, 2007, 5:03 p.m. CST

    ... we ALL can change!

    by moto


  • March 24, 2007, 5:03 p.m. CST


    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    i think its funny too that such a barebones kinda movie can be such a geek unifier. i dont know why that is but the film has heart, man. Rocky as a character is just too damn admirable in it that as far as im concerned, you just have to be a soul-less monster not to love it. i wasnt even a Rocky fan before...kinda liked em but for the most part i was always kinda 50-50 on the series. after i saw RB i went and got em all, haha. it was a perfect bookend and raised the entire series (especially Rocky 1) up a few notches for me

  • March 24, 2007, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Okay, so what if Lethal Weapon was written

    by superninja

    from the POV of Getz and Riggs was actually Murtaugh's brother and Murtaugh was the strong silent type and they both loved the same woman? Would you still consider that Lethal Weapon? I seriously doubt it. In fact, you would wonder why they were calling it Lethal Weapon. I'm saying that the same thing applies in this case.

  • March 24, 2007, 5:03 p.m. CST

    "Transformers is about transforming robots..."

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    So was Go-Bots. So was Voltron. They all happened on earth (Japanese version of Voltron), and involved a power struggle. Stop oversimplifying the Transformers story to the drastic extent that Michael Bay's version actually fits in. It's like saying the Karate Kid is part of the Rocky series. underdog who trains and beats the odds to win the title, right? Um, no.<BR> Transformers is MORE than transforming robots who come to earth and fight over energy/power. That description can fit a dozen cartoons/comics of the time. It can fit Power Rangers. After all these years of episodes, Transformers amounts to more than that.

  • March 24, 2007, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Fanboy bashers

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    The only thing more annoying than whining fanboys are losers whining about fanboys. Like these guys coming in "OH YOU DORKS! Shut up basement dwellers!TF gonna kick ass, whether you fanboys care or not!" if they think they were the first ones to post something like that or something....SOOO creative! Maybe they should write the TF sequel!<BR><BR> I'm not a long term TB'er, or a "geek". I registered specifically to voice my concerns on the TF movie. No, I don't hate Bay. I like some of his movies. I don't hate Murphy either. I don't see why others seem to. I'm just another dude who grew up with TFs and am going "WTF" at what he's been seeing. So I come hear to vent a little. I'm a human. Humans do that. So stop being annoying and trashing other TBers.

  • March 24, 2007, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Yack, I'm sure you've covered all of them.

    by superninja

    The Captain's rougish charm (obviously played down from Kirk's a-girl-in-every port, but the warmth of male cameraderie is still there). The doctor being a combination of Spock's insatiable scientific curiosity and McCoy's medicine and optimism. The naval battles putting duty first, a willingness to be very hardnosed in order to win, but a very sincere concern for the crew. The spirit of promise and hope presented by the expansion of the Navy into the unexplored territory of the world and the Enterprise's similar optimism in its exploration of the galaxy. The way a ship plays out the story of a microcosim on the best and worst of human nature.

  • March 24, 2007, 5:18 p.m. CST

    The funniest thing about all this...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...the reaction to the AICN TBs on all the other Transformers fansite messageboards.<P>Here is one in particular that cracked me up: "In other news, yes AICN is like some kind of sewerage tank where the stupidest people on the planet hang out."<P>Ha! Are you ready for a Messageboard Flame War???!!!

  • March 24, 2007, 5:20 p.m. CST


    by Tai_Pan

    It could be an Oscar winner for all I know. Lethal Weapon: The remake could sweep Hollywood, but how about we just WAIT AND SEE if the film works before we start bitching? My God you people are prejudicial and whiny. I hope you all love this film and know to keep yer yaps shut the next time someone adapts and changes a property. Some of you are whining so loudly you're going to psyche yourselves into hating this film no matter how good/bad it may be. But for the rest of you, I hope this film turns out great IF ONLY to demonstrate how obnoxious and stubborn you bile-spitting haters can be. Leave the man alone, wait until the film goesout and stop convincing yourselves that the movie is crap when you have no clue how it actually plays out on film. You guys sound like children who insist they hate food they've never tasted.

  • March 24, 2007, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Please stop hating on Bay

    by Barl

    To me the way he made the transformers look is how they would if they were "real" instead of the nataural-laws-bending way the transformes behaved back in the classic cartoons. And if would watch an episode of the old series you would that the plots are paperthin and a lot the charecters dont really have that much "charecter". If he should have made a liveaction version of some of the old episodes it would not be very fun to look at. Besides the transformers have gone throug so many looks and version over the years and this is just one more to a long line.

  • March 24, 2007, 5:21 p.m. CST

    Okay, I see what you mean, but...

    by moto

    ... I think we're talking apples and oranges here to a certain degree. You're comparing a developed multi-dimensional film containing characters of depth (Lethal Weapon obviously) with an 80s cartoon series that explored cliche ridden and often regurgitated storylines/characters about robtos that transform into vehicles. And this from a big fan of said 80s cartoon series. <p> But I guess it's how each individual approaches it. If you hold that series and the characters real close, then yeah, you'll probably be bummed and even pissed to see changes. Personally, I see some filmmakers that are taking the general concept of a popular dated 23 year old cartoon, one that I loved as well, and introducing it to the GENERAL audience, the majority, in an updated version. As long as Transformers are there, and the idea that Autobots are battling for good, and Decepticons are evil, great. Sure, if they turned it into "Optimus Prime and his brother Megatron invade Earth to destroy the human race, only to have Harrison Ford come to the rescue, destroying them all in the end..." yeah, I'd probably be pissing on Bay's name... as a Transformer fan.

  • March 24, 2007, 5:31 p.m. CST

    I've learned to tolerate the whining about us whiners

    by Phategod2

    my only problem are Sycophants of producers whose Artistic visions gave us Double Dragon, and LoXG

  • March 24, 2007, 5:32 p.m. CST

    They're calling us stupid?

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    Ironic considering we are probably 10 years older than them (even though I'm only in my 20s), and they are the ones who are watching Transformers Energon or whatever crap they have on now.

  • March 24, 2007, 5:33 p.m. CST

    There should be a scene at the end of TF

    by Barl

    where megatron goes to all the poeple who have posted on a Un-named website about how they hate that the transformers came to earth, and then beat the crap out of them. Or wait, have that been done somewhere before...?

  • March 24, 2007, 5:43 p.m. CST

    Or, people who don't really care about the

    by superninja

    Transformers get a laser blast in their piehole about carping on someone else's carping. Who will complain about The Complainers? MOVE OVER WATCHMEN!!!

  • March 24, 2007, 5:43 p.m. CST

    But how are the changes BETTER??

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    THAT's the thing I don't get. So you wanna "update" Transformers so it doesn't look outdated...okay, I understand that 100%.<BR><BR> But how are the changes they made for the better? How are they updates? Is putting flames on Optimus Prime really bringing him from 1986 to 2006? Was there some kind of research study that said kids would like flames on their Optimus?? Cause when I first looked at didn't look like "the future", it looked out of the 1970s or something. <BR><BR>How is Evangelion-izing the robots making it BETTER?? Like I said, Evanglion is over 10 years old seems almost arbitrarily disrespectful. I realize that anime is popular these days, but doesn't Transformers have its OWN anime series? Why move to Eva? That makes no sense!<BR><BR> A movie about a boy and his car. Okay, I guess I can understand this one. Kind of uncreative, but I guess I can understand it. But why not Spike and Sparkplug? Why is Bumblebee a Camaro? And why must a dog pee on a robot? How are these "updates" improvements??<BR><BR> If you can explain and make me understand how these changes make things BETTER and UPGRADED over G1, then I may be more willing to accept it.

  • March 24, 2007, 5:44 p.m. CST

    fans hate hollywood...

    by emeraldboy

    because they hate the mass audience which hollywood makes movies for. Hollywood is making this film not just for fans but for everyone. fans hate that. they really they hate that thier precious transformers is being cheapened into a mass produced consumer product for people that some regard as the dumb population of the US. Well guess what. It alread was a consumer product. Toy came first. Then comic book. then film animated film then tv series. Now a new film is coming. Hasbro is a toy company. Universal is a film company that makes movies. They are making a movie of a toy, cartoon series, comic etc. If you hate bay for making a film about a toy/comic book/tv series that made money for people. Then your problem is not with bay himself but with corporate hollywood. Hollywood Makes movies to make money.

  • March 24, 2007, 5:45 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    From what I've recently looked up, the fansites that are frequented by the most loyal, well-informed Transfans (who are staunchly devoted to all-things-Transformers) - NONE of their bitching and nitpicking comes close to what takes place here on AICN. That, to me, is strange.

  • March 24, 2007, 5:47 p.m. CST

    Tai Pan you are full of it, sorry.

    by superninja

    That would only be the case if one had no idea what Lethal Weapon was. Or if it somehow improved Lethal Weapon. You can pretend there are not indicators of quality prior to the film's release but that's absurd when these guys have been leaking stuff (including a terrible draft script) left and right.

  • March 24, 2007, 5:49 p.m. CST


    by Phategod2

    its about 60-40 Love to hate, but I haven't been there since the weaving Bomb dropped but they did rumor it about 2-3 months ago Ironhidenish is going to love this.

  • March 24, 2007, 5:50 p.m. CST

    Gaius, AICN is known for that.

    by superninja

    Regardless of the film.

  • March 24, 2007, 5:50 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    I don't know the demographic of those TF pages, but you may have answered your own question when you said they "are staunchly devoted to all-things-Transformers".....They'll take Transformers Energon just as easily as they will take Beast Wars, despite the drastic quality differential, and will buy all the toys too. So if Transformers Energon is cool, than why can't a dog peeing on a robot be cool?? :) Just kidding.

  • March 24, 2007, 5:51 p.m. CST

    emeraldboy, for the last time, the toy did not

    by superninja

    come first. The cartoon did.

  • March 24, 2007, 5:54 p.m. CST


    by Phategod2

    Give him the Wiki or link so he can get a clue on the dif between TF's and Diaclone.

  • March 24, 2007, 5:55 p.m. CST

    Phate, doesn't even matter. Because regardless

    by superninja

    Transformers is way beyond that at this point. The characters are recognizable in pop culture, generations of people know who the Autobots and Decepticons are.

  • March 24, 2007, 5:56 p.m. CST


    by TheNorthlander

    the cartoon came 1984, the toy came 1984.

  • March 24, 2007, 5:57 p.m. CST

    Hmmm...can a dog peeing on a robot be cool?

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    That is the question of the year my fellow Talkbackers.<P>THAT. IS. THE. QUESTION.

  • March 24, 2007, 6:04 p.m. CST

    Nelson (Bay's web admin) RE: the script...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    "Bubbalou wrote: Thing is, people claim that a hacker got the one people have from your computer.<P>Nelson: Those people--actually it's one individual--that claims such, is a DUMBASS DOUCHEBAG manchild.<P>What someone got was a partial rough draft, not the shooting script. The rough draft was posted by a poser going by the name of Filmloader on Don Murphy's site.<P>Bubbalou wrote: I know i've done my share of "complaining" but sheesh! just ignore them/us already! just look the other way if it's really THAT annoying. the more you downplay their/our whining, the worse it'll get. it's like throwing gasoline on a fire. you're just GIVING them something to whine about by taking notice.<P>Nelson: The man has had extreme patience for the longest time. He was addressing the post at AICN which are nothing but hatred and trolling.<P>I love this, fanboys can complain ad naseum...but when Bay vents a little, TF fanboys pop an artery. Get over it.<P>Maybe he should from time to time open a can of whoop-ass like he did at the Red Planet premiere."

  • March 24, 2007, 6:07 p.m. CST

    Anybody know...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...what he means by the "Red Planet premiere"?

  • March 24, 2007, 6:07 p.m. CST

    Show aired prior to 1984 as a continuation

    by superninja

    of a Japanese series in some markets. Read the wiki article.

  • March 24, 2007, 6:12 p.m. CST

    I love all of the emotional ranters who don't

    by superninja

    debate our points but just whine about our complaining and then claim the high ground. Not really sure how that actually works, I mean, you guys having any high ground and all.

  • March 24, 2007, 6:16 p.m. CST

    after all The avg. movie goer ate up the 1st

    by Phategod2

    time Jar jar Binks said exsqueeze me. A freaking Wayne's World quote I'll never let that go.

  • March 24, 2007, 6:40 p.m. CST


    by Neo Zeed

    I already said that I'd watch it if Cullen was Prime. I guess Agent Smith could sound enough like Megatron. Should've been Welker though.

  • March 24, 2007, 6:44 p.m. CST

    A story about a boy getting his first car.

    by Cameron1

    That's what the script I read was. The giant transforming robots were supporting characters to Shia LeBouef. I still don't see or hear that that has changed. Bay's comments are nothing compared to what people have called him so I can see why he bitched like that but it made him look real nervous. Bottom line is that the story, the spine of the script is not primarily about Optimus Prime, Megatron etc. It could all change in the edit admittefly but then it wouldn't be what Bay was hyping it as to begin with, which was: "a story about a boy getting his first car".

  • March 24, 2007, 6:47 p.m. CST

    Fans of the comic

    by Immortal_Fish

    I'm one of them. Didn't start watching the show as a kid until I'd heard that they were considering to make a movie that was based on the cartoon. <P>What a difference. In the comic, Ravage spoke and the Dinobots weren't puddin'heads, among many other, better differences. It was way deeper and textured. The cartoon eventually grew on me, but the comics were where it was at.<P>Incidentally, TF comics are still being made to this day. Mostly all of them involve G1 characters, with the odd issues now and again centered on Hotrod, Kup, etc. Something for you, "This is just another version of a property that had a lot of versions," people to think about. G1 remains popular to this day for a reason. There are several G1 characters in this movie. It would have been nice for them to create a flat out adaption of G1 instead of cherry picking a few characters and injecting them into a new version of TF; something that doesn't make much sense at all.<P>Look, I'm one of the few in the place that thinks FF1 was a good movie. I've never seen a comic character so perfectly ported to film as Johnny Storm. Yet even I realize they screwed Doom's origin up terribly (despite setting him up to be the real deal comic Doom in the sequels). To say that Bay is handling the TF characters properly is to say that Doom was handled properly.<P>And if you're one of those, "Who cares? I just want to see robots kick the snbot out of each other!" Well, then, knock yourself out. Have a blast. But you're also proving my point that the source material was flushed in favor of drastic, unnecessary changes.

  • March 24, 2007, 6:54 p.m. CST

    I just want to know why

    by Bloo

    why Bay or Murphy or even some of the writers set designers customers, etc won't come on here and tell us why they did what they did. Someone said it before, Yack or ninja or someone, all they (Bay and Murphy) and their lil followers can do is harrass us and complain about us. I don't think we are whining...much. We have legitimate concerns aobut this movie that we would like answered. That is how you get a fan base to go. Peter Jackson did it for us during LOTR preproduction and also Stallone before Balboa. Don't send Harry to hype us up Mr. Bay we won't buy it, we've been burned by his enthuasiam before (*cough*Godzilla*cough*) I'm not a hater I just want to see the movie done good. Come convince us

  • March 24, 2007, 7:01 p.m. CST

    Hugo weaving is a great actor.

    by mr. brownstone

    See the movie PROOF for proof of this (ahem). Personally I fucking hated V for vendetta though. I thought it was pompous, cheesy and dare I say it... DULL. This guy is fucking good though, every line he drops in the matrix movies is pure gold. he should get back into some serious character work soon.

  • March 24, 2007, 7:05 p.m. CST

    For God sake don't Invite Don Murphy here

    by Phategod2

    Win lose or draw the Guys an ass. Bay Has A Higher tolerance for us whiney fans due to all the coke, Hookers, and millions.

  • March 24, 2007, 7:08 p.m. CST

    Thepremise and sory of G1 was far more original.


    This movie is EXACTLY like the He-Man movie. Where the bad guys (skeletor) come to earth in search of some magical object. That's what they've done with this movie. The war isn't about Energon (transformers energy) it's about a magical device, and thats why they are here. ALSO. The characters haven't been crashed on earth for 4 million years like in the G1 story. In G1, the transformers have been buried on the earth for 4 million years... the writers of the movie completely dropped that out. One of the coolest aspects of Transformers. Also, Bay admitted that he didn't want the Volkswagen, he wanted a camaro it wasn't VWs choice.

  • March 24, 2007, 7:10 p.m. CST

    Those 12 action set pieces

    by Immortal_Fish

    How many robots are in the movie again...?<P>;-)

  • March 24, 2007, 7:11 p.m. CST

    It's a GM copout

    by Phategod2

    Truth is bay is Gm's Bitch

  • March 24, 2007, 7:11 p.m. CST


    by Bloo

    I don't think Murphy would dare show his face after the beat down we gave him last time. I want someone who like I said can INTELLIGENTLY tell me why they made the changes they did. I know that Murphy can't do that--Bay I think maybe can...if he's not too coked up or with too many hookers distracting him

  • March 24, 2007, 7:12 p.m. CST

    Hugo Weaving..rock on!

    by alienindisguise

    If there's one person that can make us believe that a hunk of shit that's SUPPOSED to be Megatron is a total badass, it's Mr. Weaving He's gonna steal the show guaranteed, I think Cullen will over do it and make Prime a total cheeseball but we'll all know soon enough!

  • March 24, 2007, 7:12 p.m. CST


    by Tai_Pan

    I'm being practical and not judgmental. Changes to a story have NO BEARING ON QUALITY. Look at that shitty BSG original series. The differences between it and the new series are enormous even though the premise has stayed the same; yet the original BSG is utter crap in comparison to what an UPDATE did with the premise. As for your Lethal Weapon hypothetical, I maintain that I'd have to SEE THE FUCKING MOVIE before I passed judgment on its relative merits. Why does this fail to make sense to you?

  • March 24, 2007, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Everett its quite simple...


    BAY DID NOT WANT TO MAKE A MOVIE ABOUT A TOYLINE. Plain and simple. He had to sacrifice the majority of what made the story transformers to make it ...HIS OWN. Even if it meant wiping out some of the more interesting aspects of the storyline. Does he seem like the kind of person to make a film for artistic integrity? No he seems like a guy who makes a movie for EGO and the MONEY.<p> He has even admitted he didn't want to make a movie about a toyline. He only did it because Spielberg asked him apparently.

  • March 24, 2007, 7:16 p.m. CST

    I'll take it.

    by Trancer

    Hugo Weaving definitely has a bad-ass voice.

  • March 24, 2007, 7:17 p.m. CST


    by Phategod2

    I know your comments are no tdirected at me but did you HAVE TO SEE THE FUCKING MOVIE to know that Batman & Robin was a utter POS.

  • March 24, 2007, 7:17 p.m. CST

    I have relatives in Califonia

    by emeraldboy

    So as a young Irish kid I went to california and to Disney land and I also wnt to Disney World. Anyhow One of my fave rides was pirates of the Caribbean. If you were to have told me that they were going to make a film out of them. I would said. That is not possible. Ride into a film dont be. Well they did of course and I love them. POtc dead man's chest Was the best film I saw last summer. I cant wait for At worlds end. It looks outstanding. A war movie about giant Alien Robotic Cars Deulling on Earth and ready to wipe man kind does sound epic. Ill be there on opening day.

  • March 24, 2007, 7:18 p.m. CST


    by mr. brownstone

    good point re: HE-MAN.

  • March 24, 2007, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Keith David

    by Immortal_Fish

    Since Welker couldn't get the gig for whatever unnecessary reason, Keith David is my fanboy pick to replace him. I keep replaying Weaving's voice in my mind and he isn't a good fit. Great actor with tons of geek cred, but I don't see him pulling off an imitation of Welker. Then again, that's prolly the whole point, to have a completely different sound to go along with the completely different look.<P>You toy collectors -- Instead, of buying a movie Megs toy, just feed the dog some tinsel and wait a few hours...

  • March 24, 2007, 7:20 p.m. CST


    by Bloo

    comparing this to the He-Man movie is SPOT ON! That movie SUCKED...I remember seeing that as a 10y/o(? what year did that come out) and wondering where all the char. from the cartoon I loved were at. it steal someone else's catch phrase He Man in name only

  • March 24, 2007, 7:23 p.m. CST

    and a follow up to BRUTICUS

    by Bloo

    you're right--he is sacraficing story for personal vision--but I want to hear him say it

  • March 24, 2007, 7:23 p.m. CST

    Spielberg should have made this movie

    by emeraldboy

    two years and without cruise. The posters have a war of the world stlye feel. That would have been the best film of his career but he fucked that film up. he went back to the drawing board and he has come up with the transformers movies. Which no one has seen and you all hate it. Maybe bay is being set up to take fall......

  • March 24, 2007, 7:27 p.m. CST

    Americans do seem to be have some sentimental

    by emeraldboy

    attachment to this movie, that I as an Irish person dont understand. I saw Transformers as a kid. But I dont want to kill Micheal Bay over the film.

  • March 24, 2007, 7:29 p.m. CST

    Chill, gany.

    by Cameron1

    Yeh all that other stuff is happening but the cahracter development is done with Saw Witwicky. All the other stuff with the military and the pentagon is pure exposition and oppurtunities to blow shit up. The emotional beats are from Sam and the herbie-esque beginning to how he becomes a hero in the end. I'm not saying there won't be plenty of action I'm saying the script identifies with and follows Sam before Optimus or anyone else.

  • March 24, 2007, 7:30 p.m. CST


    by Bloo

    I don't hate the movie, I haven't seen it yet. But I have a sick feling in my stomach because of it, looking at what Bay has to say about it, to see the images that are so radically differnt then the ones I grew up on, to see Bay, Murphy and Speilberg-o avoiding the fan's questions and concerns and sicking their acoylates on us and complaining about us and calling us "dickwads" because we have I think GENUINE concerns about this movie that we would like answered. Going back to the He-Man movie analogy--they took radical depatures in char. but gave them the same names it in no way resembelled the He-Man that I had come to love and thus was a disappointmet to me and frankly made me mad. That was at 10 or so. I didn't want to see cool swords and swoard fights I wanted He Man...I don't want giant fighting robots, I want Transformers

  • March 24, 2007, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Why producers won't come here and explain...

    by moto

    Because there is no need to. Because they can't please everyone. There are creative decisions whether any of us like them or not and it would be ridiculous to expect the people that make these movies to explain their creative decisions. Who cares? Even if they DID explain them, you still wouldn't like them. They make the movies that they want to make. They make the movies they think will be most successful. Sometimes they hit it out of the park. Sometimes they don't. It's just the way filmmaking is.

  • March 24, 2007, 7:44 p.m. CST


    by Pound Sand

  • March 24, 2007, 7:48 p.m. CST


    by moto

    Don't know about other people but I'm not saying the updates are better. I'm not saying having flames on Prime is better, or Bumblebee being a camaro rather than a VW bug or whatever. <p> The updates are different. New. They're creative decisions. They're the filmmakers saying, "Hey, let's try this..." <p> Why does it have to be the same as G1 to be good? Whoever made the comparison of the original BSG to the new was right on. The story is the same. The central story. But they made updates. Creative decisions. Turned Starbuck into a tough as nails woman, but with the same attributes as the original. And for most, those changes worked. And worked well. We all bitched about hearing Starbuck was a woman now until we saw the show and realized that it worked. It's all about the FINAL PRODUCT.

  • March 24, 2007, 7:54 p.m. CST


    by Bloo

    anytime you have a movie with this kind of fan base, yes there are going to be those that will love it unquestionly and those that hate it unquestionaly...but you're going to have thost that have memoris of this..franchasie that will have questions, questions that should be answered if they want us to see the movie without having HeMan or Batman and Robin's a way of promoting the movie and getting fans of the original...unless of course you have no respect for the source material and don't care and put your own stamp on it...our your soulless like Murphy

  • March 24, 2007, 8:20 p.m. CST

    Script Retooled My Ass

    by Playhouse

    He admits right there that the story beats are the same, as any of us who read the leak script can attest to with the footage we've seen and the descriptions of footage from people who saw the ShoWest stuff. They might have retooled the dialogue and probably made it worse but the basic story and characterizations are in tact. And that's my beef with the script. Major retooling would've been to chuck that script and start from scratch. But they didn't.

  • March 24, 2007, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Glad to See the Faithful Still Fighting the Good Battle

    by Playhouse

    I ducked out of this struggle after a while because Murphy (blind) followers and pro-Bay camp crap just made my blood boil a bit too much. I'm glad to see others have kept up the struggle (Yack, superninja, Phate, etc.). You guys are keeping this entertaining. Even props to gany and MNG as well, fellas, for a different point of view but nonetheless entertaining as well.

  • March 24, 2007, 8:42 p.m. CST

    moto more on story

    by Bloo

    in BSG the story was always humans looking for Earth and fighting Cylons in Trnasformers it was the battle for energon which earth had a large supply of which is why 4 million years ago Autobots and Decepticons came to earth not for the all myseterious All Spark--the good guys were good black and white good with comradeship and support not pointing lasers at little rat terriers when they piss on them--the Decepticons were about domination and elimenation of humans they were also about internal fighting and deciet they were very bad--that part seems to be intact--but Megatron was a megalomaniac crazy pyschotic alwys trying to hold onto his rule not someone cold and calcuating as I 've heard reported thathe is--if I'm wrong and this is faithful then I'll join superninja and Yack and come in here and apologize for doubting but at this point I think I have a very good reason to be suspicious of this movie

  • March 24, 2007, 8:49 p.m. CST

    ive decided no one would like this unless it was a cart

    by wcoop893

    oon. you all just dont know it. because seriously, how is there a medium between the blocky cartoons and the believable designs they have now. and how could you have a real big budget movie thats going to make money based directly on the cartoon? impossible. also, even though i dont beleive you, but if you already hate it so much, dont go. this movie doesnt need you. the little trailer already out has gotten so much positive praise, except from this website. this movie must not be for you. but heres the thing, there will never be a big budget transformers movie for you guys, because it wouldnt be a good idea to make for anyone except you. sorry

  • March 24, 2007, 9:02 p.m. CST


    by Bloo

    are you even reading these posts because it doesn't seem like you are. You're like everyone else on the web--AICN sucks, so much negativity--we're not negative, we're skeptical. I think most of us have said we want to like the movie and that we will come back here if we enjoy it and say so. But we've seen Bay's movies and the lack of charterzation his movies have--they may have quirks but they are NOT char.--we don't mind moderzation IF there is a soild reason...I don't think any of us wanted a Soundwave boombox--what we are tired of is unneccassary recharterzations that make NO sense--we WANT to like the movie but it but from what we've been exposed to--including the very cool trailer (Phantom Meanace had a cool trailer too remember)--doesn't inspire must hope in us at the moment

  • March 24, 2007, 9:09 p.m. CST

    everett rob

    by wcoop893

    there is a solid reason for a complete modern makeover - beleivablility. i guess im the only one that doesnt need tons and tons of characterization from my giant robots? but i kinda understand that one i suppose since you are all big fans. but remember, michael bay didnt write this movie. and yes the trailer kicked ass, and so did apparently the 25 minutes they showed at various events. oh and i love AICN but everyone here is so negative about everything. seriously. just bitching. i dont even think you are trying to like this movie, mostly because of bay. thats what i beleive even if you say you want to like it. and some worry about the amaount of actually transformers and action in this movie, so where do you leave time for a great story? i dont need that at all and sorry for writing so much

  • March 24, 2007, 9:29 p.m. CST


    by Bloo

    it's not a Bay thing--I enjoyed Bad Boys thought it was a fun ride, heck I even enjoyed Armageddon...and his movies are nothing but explosions. when he tries to go deeper it doesn't work Peral Harbor? But like I said I do want to enjoy the moive and I might<P>now regarding "it's not the director's fault, it's the writers"...whos name is going to be plastered all of's going to say Micheal Bay's Transformers...if the movie gets praised then it'll be Micheal Bay he get's the praise...why shouldn't he get the blame or be questioned by us when we have concerns?<p>but the thing is I did invite writers, anyone who would be willing to address these concerns that we have the whys

  • March 24, 2007, 9:44 p.m. CST

    I understand the want to "try something new".

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    I also understand that while brainstorming new things, the last thing on the moviemakers' minds should be a bunch of internet geeks.<BR><br> BUT, before implementing new ideas being considered, shouldn't one ask how the franchise will benefit from it? <BR>Okay, so the primary audience are kids/casual moviegoers I assume right? The ones that are watching Transformers Energon, or whatever is out there now right? We're probably the secondary audience (this is all just guessing), the dudes that grew up with G1 and that they are betting will go watch no matter what, right?<BR><BR> Okay, now how do those Evangelion benefit EITHER the kiddie audience OR the G1 audience? It's such a drastic departure, not only from G1, but from all the newer shows for today's kids as well! How does making Bumblebee a musclecar and putting a baboon face on Optimus increase the appeal to ANYONE??<BR><BR> If it's a harmless experiment trying something new, then fine. But the question is, are these seemingly arbitrary changes doing DAMAGE in terms of appeal to the target audience(s)? No question it will most likely be #1 opening weekend, but are these stupid designs helping or hurting the cause? We already know that the G1 contingent is pissed off beyong belief.....the new kiddie fans who knows? But before implementing these controversial changes, who decided they would be of benefit....and importantly, why havent they EXPLAINED HOW they are of benefit....or at least are not of consequence?

  • March 24, 2007, 9:57 p.m. CST


    by Bloo

    couldn't have said it better myself

  • March 24, 2007, 10:12 p.m. CST

    re: GibsonUSA Returns

    by Thenedain

    Nicely put. The biggest question I have to ask about the direction they've gone with for Transformers isn't directed at Bay and Co., it instead is headed straight towards Hasbro itself. One can only imagine that Hasbro had to place it's input on the movie designs and direction. Why then did they choose to agree to such a radical departure from what's generally considered the "Transformer look". It comes off as kind of insane considering for the past 6 months Hasbro has been issuing new toys based entirely off the G1 characters, with incredibly updated designs, that are obviously meant to get people associating a Transformers movie with the G1 aesthetic. Claims that it's not meant to be a G1 movie are disingenous at best: the average joe on the street, faced with the Transformers brand, tends to think back to the original run of the toys and cartoon. It's so ingrained in pop culture, that it's consistently referenced in current TV shows. Their marketing is banking on people associating this film with a nostalgia factor of the 80s toys. So, why then choose such a radical design path? It stinks of baiting and switching nearly anyway you cut it. It'd be just as easy to make a film that fanboys would enjoy while still being a success with mainsteam audiences. It's been done with many other franchises recently. There's no reason for it to have to be done some other way. That is probably the biggest disappointment with this film.

  • March 24, 2007, 10:31 p.m. CST


    by Bloo

    I read the wiki article on the Transformers movie...check this out..."Bumblebee's voice box is damaged from battle,[61] and communicates with songs, which Kurtzman did to stress Sam's experience that wasn't dialogue based, similar to when Eliott meets E.T. in E.T. the Extra-Terrestrial.[24] " Bumblebee's voicebox is damaged...alright! yeah jeez

  • March 24, 2007, 10:34 p.m. CST

    more on the story...

    by Bloo

    Megatron coruled Cybertron with Prime...since when...but yeah they are keeping with the original spirit of the story...good lord

  • March 24, 2007, 10:38 p.m. CST


    by Tai_Pan

    Your BSG logic doesn't work. BSG saw HUGE Shifts in character and it worked extremely well. Hell, one character went from a laid back black man to a traitorous asian-american female robot. Every character on the updated BSG is drastically different from their original counterpart and it works BEAUTIFULLY. Give the movie a chance. I have no problem with anyone who expresses doubt over the film being any good, but I'm sick and tired of hearing people scream DAMN YOU MICHAEL BAY! THIS MOVIE IS TEH SUCK! YOU CAN'T MAKE THE CHANGES THAT I DON'T LIKE ONLY THE ONES THAT I DO LIKE!! My God, people, just see the friggin movie first. I'm not expecting much from this movie other than entertainment. I think a lot of people who are whining are the ones who want to have their childhood dream come to life just as they remembered it, and that's just not happening... but that doesn't mean the film Bay is making will suck, and it's no reason to say such nasty things to people trying to entertain your whiny ass.

  • March 24, 2007, 10:46 p.m. CST


    by Tai_Pan

    they still haven't made a decision as to when/if Bumblebee will speak in the movie, and in the show, the Autobots and Decepticons DID exist peacefully with each other at first. This is really nitpicky shit here. You're griping about a few seconds of the movie solely because it doesn't match with the show or the comics or whatever line you prefer. Ask yourself what you want out of a Transformers movie (and it might be good to ask why you DESERVE to see a Transformers movie), and ask yourself why it is essential that the back histories of the characters be identical to the show. There really is no satisfying some of you people. Not that my expectations are particularly high, but I hope this movie is great so that you all eat crow.

  • March 24, 2007, 11:02 p.m. CST


    by Bloo

    I'm not the one screaming "Damn you micheal bay" I'm not the one nitpicking I'm talking about healthy skeptism. I want to be convinced, but these changes plus Bay's lack of intrest in this universe and Murphy's track record of destroying good properties that he loves (LGX, From Hell, etc). I want to be convienced and I will see it, I'm just really really skeptical at this point

  • March 24, 2007, 11:16 p.m. CST


    by moto

    You said: "We already know that the G1 contingent is pissed off beyong belief". I consider myself part of that G1 contingent 100% and I'm just plain excited to see what they do. I'm not pissed off beyond belief and I think there are plenty of others at AICN, not to mention the Transformers fan sites that seem to be nothing but positive for the most part. <P> But I see why you're skeptical. Nothing wrong with that. In the end, we'll all find out in July whether we love it, hate it, or like it midly, or whatever.

  • March 24, 2007, 11:28 p.m. CST

    Now we're basing our skepticism from info on wikipedia?

    by moto

    Wikipedia? Honestly? Ew. Some people are getting desperate for validation. <p> Only validation in my book, be it positive or negative comments, is seeing the frickin' movie. Sorry. Can't get past that. I HATED the idea of Casino Royale and Daniel Craig's Bond before the movie came out. I was confused at why they wouldn't continue with Brosnan. But when I saw the movie, I was relieved to see that it worked. Despite any prejudging I did. It worked. And it's my favorite Bond movie. <p> So who knows? Naysayers may love it. They might love the Transformers stuff, and dislike the kid stuff... or like both. OR, optimistic (sp?) people like myself might frickin' hate it. Who knows. Gotta see it though. Otherwise arguments will be nothing more than skepticism.

  • March 24, 2007, 11:31 p.m. CST

    Let it be noted...

    by moto

    ... I'm not saying being skeptical is bad. Everyone is for one movie or another. Just saying you can't say they fucked up until you see the final product.

  • March 24, 2007, 11:43 p.m. CST


    by Bloo

    I'm just reporting what wiki said<P>can we call a truce, I don't think we're going to change each other's minds on this movie but I raly do hope that my mind is changed after July 4th, I hope Bay knocks it out of the park, I really do

  • March 24, 2007, 11:47 p.m. CST

    Of course!

    by moto

    Truce for sure. No hard feelings at all.

  • March 24, 2007, 11:56 p.m. CST


    by Bloo

    no hard feelins on my end either<P> it's been an interesting look and pretty civil too which I've enjoyed, not that I don't mind a good pissing contest *laugh* but only in the snow and writing your name.<P>now lets see what others have to say about what's going on

  • March 24, 2007, 11:57 p.m. CST

    this has also

    by Bloo

    given me something to do while watching Hero's on during their commercial breaks *laugh*

  • March 25, 2007, 12:04 a.m. CST

    Tai Pan, they are two separate issues.

    by superninja

    One is that when you make a movie based on someone else's material and then change nearly everything about it (while claiming you are being faithful in this case), we have a problem. You can no longer really claim it is based on the original work. Second, provided that you have no attachment to the original work (which obviously varies in attitudes here in the case of Transformers), the film itself is either a good movie or a bad movie. Based on the script that was leaked, it is a bad movie. Now, of course they can change the script, but the story itself, the arc, the premise, the BEATS (which Bay says are the same) ARE BAD. It is especially egregious when compared with the original concept. So really there are two issues here.

  • March 25, 2007, 12:08 a.m. CST

    gany, that is fair enough as the original story

    by superninja

    used the Witwicky family in the same manner. However, most of the characters with arcs are humans, not robots.

  • March 25, 2007, 12:16 a.m. CST

    Tai Pan, what are you smoking? The dramatic

    by superninja

    changes made for BSG compared to what we've seen here are comparable exactly how? Hahahah....yeah, the thoughtfulness and quality are readily apparent in Transformers. BSB improved on the existing story. No, the changes here are utterly juvenile. They enhance nothing, they are nonsensical. The cartoon treated the characters much more seriously. It's the same thing with guys making superhero movies who are FREAKING EMBARASSED of superheroes. Don't make the film.

  • March 25, 2007, 12:20 a.m. CST


    by moto

    Oh fuck it. Never mind!:)

  • March 25, 2007, 12:29 a.m. CST

    I want to see M.A.S.K!!!

    by moto

    Then we get some type of transformation ( i.e. vehicles transforming into other vehicles)without having to worry about the correct portrayal of the deep and multi-leveled character archs of G1 Transformers!!! Yes, being sarcastic:) M.A.S.K. toys were badass. Love 'em.

  • March 25, 2007, 12:33 a.m. CST

    Watch,in TF2 Hot Rod is gonna be a plain red Firebird.

    by GibsonUSA Returns

    Just to middle finger us lol.

  • March 25, 2007, 12:35 a.m. CST

    Gibson + moto

    by Bloo

    probably!<P>moto, man that would be awesome if they made a M.A.S.K. movie, those toys were great, my favorite was the motercycle into a helicopter

  • March 25, 2007, 12:40 a.m. CST

    I know, moto. It was just not meant to be

    by superninja

    between us. See, you were going to say that thing...again. And then I was going to say that thing...again. Tragic, really. :)

  • March 25, 2007, 12:43 a.m. CST

    When you saw the designs it was clear there

    by superninja

    was a deeper problem. Even with the X-Men, the designs signaled the same thing, it's just that the film itself and the focus on characterization (which was relatively faithful to the original) was enough to overcome it. Every character in this film is not in the original story, with the exception of two characters (the Witwicky father and son). Even some of the robots, which the cartoon took the effort to create individual characters were gettisoned for generic replacements with no personality. REAL INTERESTING choices there....

  • March 25, 2007, 12:43 a.m. CST


    by moto

    Yes.. indeed. LOL

  • March 25, 2007, 12:47 a.m. CST

    I'm sure there exists something we agree

    by superninja

    on in film. I mean, Hollywood has made a lot of movies! :P

  • March 25, 2007, 12:52 a.m. CST

    M.A.S.K LINKS!

    by moto

    Okay, you pretty much HAVE to watch this right now. Also watch the commercial too. Classic! I'm calling my manager right now damnit! Write this mo-fo! lol <p>

  • March 25, 2007, 12:56 a.m. CST


    by moto

    We owe it to the universe to find that movie/viewpoint we agree on:) Okay, Spider-Man... dangerously overrated!? Yes. What else is there? Hmmm...

  • March 25, 2007, 12:58 a.m. CST

    I was never into M.A.S.K., so they can have

    by superninja

    Uwe Boll direct it and the main character be a Frenchman with a penchant for farting on purpose and then laughing. Don't forget the beret-shaped helmet! See how I improved the concept?

  • March 25, 2007, 12:59 a.m. CST

    I'm sure we both love Raiders, the original

    by superninja

    Star Wars and Tron. Yes, quite sure.

  • March 25, 2007, 1 a.m. CST


    by Bloo

    oh my god, that is great, thanks moto...*laugh* Harry pick up the rights to MASK, the talkbackers will write it, get Fav or RR to direct...there we go first AICN production

  • March 25, 2007, 1:07 a.m. CST

    Here's one more...

    by moto

    Sorry, can't resist. <p>

  • March 25, 2007, 1:12 a.m. CST

    Raiders, Star Wars, Tron...

    by moto

    of course. Red Dawn? Love that flick! I think we'd have to focus on some TB argument/viewpoint that we agree on. Who knows?

  • March 25, 2007, 1:20 a.m. CST

    POTC? I love those movies.

    by superninja

    I actually think 2 is better than 1.

  • March 25, 2007, 1:28 a.m. CST

    Hell yeah

    by moto

    I LOVED how they handled the second POTC. I don't understand the hate in TBs. Excellent effects, stunts, etc. that were pretty damn photo realistic. Story-wise it was great. Nice to see how the characters came back together. Pretty much how a franchise sequel SHOULD BE, rather than just a different villian(s) going up against the characters. Really reminded me of the dynamic between the original Star Wars trilogy characters.

  • March 25, 2007, 1:32 a.m. CST

    Yes, I think they paid attention to that balance.

    by superninja

    Each character has their own conundrum that is dependant on their personal choices, but they push and pull at each other nicely. Davy Jones is possibly one of the most memorable villains in a long time and I still can't believe how strongly Bill Nighy comes through in all of that. It's extremely photorealistic. I'd love to see the director do a JLA film.

  • March 25, 2007, 2:28 a.m. CST

    i am, more than anyone i

    by gusradio

    i am, more than anyone i know, guilty of ingoring the obvious. distracting myself with uneventful sidemissions which render the information available to me rather blurred. I am ignorant of the vast possibilities and gifts that alloud me while wallowing in a sub standard vision of reality. the infinite seems just out of graps in rare moments of clairity, usually far too dismayed to set into motion the machines of change. reality as we preceive it, see it, feel it, and travel through it in the 4th dimention of time is really but a infintisimal fraction of what is truly happening within our given area perception. how powerless and ashamed of myself it makes me feel is however overshadowed by the need to at least attempt in some way to reach out and gain just some small measure of understanding of this whole other world i must acknowledge. however on the day that transformers the movie is released to theaters i will take a break from these new studies and allow myself to wear my giant robot fanboy heart on my sleave and leave it open to attack. hope; this guesture will provide the motivation for bearing this heart to be broken or, hope-fully lifted and inspired to build an evil giant robot of my very own. this world after all needs a super villian far more than it ever needs a caped hero. also i disagree with the miss-casting of hugo weaving in favor of the clearly perfect choice of frank welker however it's not my movie but i wish it were... leaving me like most of you a powerless wanna-be when it comes to executive desisions regarding fanboy this dream project. having said that most of my attachment to the transformers comes from the origonal animated film and the life that my toys took on thier own when i was a child even more ignorant to the infinite possibilities woven through time space than i feel even now. i actually, upon re-examination, do not like the origonal television series in practice so much as in therory it did after all take on a life of it's own in my head.

  • March 25, 2007, 2:30 a.m. CST

    Speaking Nighy

    by Phategod1

    He seems ripe for some 2007 and beyond VA jobs. maybe he should have a role in TFs.

  • March 25, 2007, 2:43 a.m. CST

    My God peaople. The script!! THE SCRIPT!!!

    by IndustryKiller!

    Ok for the sake of those crying HATER let's ignore the G1 departure. Everything not G1 related about the movie aside. And I want you people to listen carefully before you respond to this with "Well you are just a fag who likes the cartoon too much and you have to grow up!" Ok now open your fucking eyes and read this S-L-O-W-L-Y. The script. is fucking. awful. Mind you I am taking into consideration the fact that this is a film based on a cartoon whose sole purpose was to sell toys. I was not expecting Pinter like dialogue. But it's a terrible script. It's even bad for a giant robot movie. First of all it lacks lots of giant robot action. It happens here and there, but its very segmented with lots of bland human characters in between. And when I say bland I mean the characters are so cliched it makes Independence Day seem like it has the subtelty of The Deer Hunter. There is the dorky but ya just know will end up with the girl annoying kid. The soldier who gosh darnit just wants to get back to his newborn baby. The overworked latte drinking careerwomanoftheworldliketotally blonde chick. Her dorky computer geek friend who lives with his grandma. (who both are utterly pointless to the story btw) The cute popular girl who is really tough and sassy underneath. But dont forget the cameo by her jock boyfriend in a role Billy Zabka would have been golden in 20 years ago. I would tell you more about these characters but there is literally nothing more to say. Oh yeah and then there are some giant robots who kinda fit in somewhere, but they are really more of a presence than actual characters. Thats where the script fails most. If there is one thing that every decent iteration of Transformers had, something that is absolutely unarguable no matter how you feel about what series, it's that the robots had personality. They oozed it. When you played with those Transformers toys even at age 5 you knew exactly how each character acted in whatever crazy situation you put them in. (often in tandem with numerous amounts of GI Joes) At some point you WERE going to imitate Soundwaves voice. At some point Megatron WAS going to hubristically taunt those autobots. Starscream WAS going to try to usurp power. It was just a given who these characters were and the film gives us very little of this. They might have gotten Bumblebee right if he could actualy speak, but he can't so there is one down. Optimus Prime is alright but his screentime is brutally short. As for the Deceptacons forget about it. Mindless drones. the only one that utters a word is Megatron and when I say "a word" I mean that almost literally. He has one little speech and then he is dispatched appropriately. these simply arent Transformers. And I dont mean "these arent the Transformers we know and love" I mean they have nothing whatsoever to distinguish them from the Go-Bots or giant robot brand X. They arent updated for a new generation, or a bold new vision. WHat they are is milquetoast. As generic and bland as it gets. They didn't make the decision to update the franchise, they didn't make any decisions whatsoever. And that is the real crime. And for those of you that say "Well you havent seen the movie", you are right I haven't. But I have read the script and I have seen or at least attempted to watch just about every Michael Bay movie and I'm pretty well versed in all his little tricks. So it's a pretty god damned educated guess I am making here as to the films quality. And for anyone who argues that Frank Welkers voice is too cartoony for this film you have officially lost the right to argue that its a film for kids based on toys so we should all just cool off. You can't argue one second that its just a kids film then argue the next that an iconic (which Megatron is like it or not) characters voice is too kiddie. And for the record Walkers villianous rasp is no more exagerrated than Weavings fragmented Agent Smith drawl, which was the best part of the Matrix films.

  • March 25, 2007, 3:08 a.m. CST

    Damn you MCMLXXVI

    by Shia LaBoufs Panties

    Damn you MCMLXXVI

  • March 25, 2007, 3:12 a.m. CST

    industry killer - i hope your wrong

    by gusradio

    i have no way of knowing what form of the script you've read. however.. simply put... i HOPE your wrong. however micheal bay films ALWAYS annoy me.

  • March 25, 2007, 4:11 a.m. CST


    by Motoko Kusanagi

    that's the only thing I want from this movie and I guess that's what I'll get. <p>who needs a story anyway?

  • March 25, 2007, 5:48 a.m. CST

    RE: that video for Fatboy Slim's "Gangster Trippin"

    by TheNorthlander

    Yeah. huh huh... huh huh... That was cool...

  • March 25, 2007, 6:04 a.m. CST

    i rest my case

    by Phategod1


  • March 25, 2007, 7:18 a.m. CST

    IndustryKiller Part 2

    by ApneicMonkey

    You make some very good points. I also read that script and while I also thought it was very similar to ID4, it was also fun. I also know enough about Hollywood that the script the way it was will be changed in a huge way before the film is finished. I also know for a fact that there is much more 'Giant Robot' action than what appears in the script and that Megatron has a larger role. I also know that it's a set up movie for what will probably be a much better Transformers sequel.

  • March 25, 2007, 7:45 a.m. CST

    you are all a bunch of

    by Nobby the Happy Elf

    cunts - really you are. Fancy thinking that Bay et al need come on here and explain themselves to you pasty faced fuck rags. Do you think anyone really has to give a shit about Ironhide not being a red van? Fuck off back to your bedroom in your piss stained Autobot underoos you twat-sticks. Honestly, please get a fucking life. I am currently working on a GI Joe screenplay where Duke is a blond lesbian. Fuck you, you sad moaning gits... Best wishes, Nobby PS I'm actually looking forward to this movie...It won't be Seven Samurai or Citizen Kane, but hopefully things will go boom and fall over.

  • March 25, 2007, 8:07 a.m. CST

    BSB you a funny lady...

    by Nobby the Happy Elf

    sometimes I want more than explosions. Sometimes I want good character exposition and / or beautiful cinemtography, sometimes I even want ass to mouth. Bet some of you cunts couldn't sit through Pan's Labyrinth let alone any other foreign language films because of the subtitles. PPS On the 2nd draft of my Joe script and now Duke is a black female muslim, who wears the burka. Go Bay go!!!!!

  • March 25, 2007, 8:22 a.m. CST

    It's hilarious how, in that Michael Bay quote

    by CreasyBear

    listed above, he only gets rankled by a mention of not-enough-action. In other words, "Call me shallow, incompetent, void of all emotion or meaning, lacking in basic directorial skills, but don't you DARE say I don't blow shit up! This movie blows up more shit than you can imagine!"

  • March 25, 2007, 9:29 a.m. CST

    This year the original Show ended 20 years....

    by emeraldboy

    and it has been well over 23 years since I saw the original cartoon. I dont think I saw the Movie with Orson Welles(his final film). This is a big budget intergalatic war action film based on something that was popular well over 23 years ago and is obviously still is very popular today. Transformer fans want a TF movie. But just hang on a minute. Despite the jibes that youth are stupid because they watch MTV. Tell me in the 2007 movie how to do they explain, to an audience that has grown up on beastwars and Armada, shows which older tf fans deride muck, the energon cube? the older fans will remember that from the 1984-1987 series. I think what they are trying to do is find a balance between the transformers fans and people who werent at that time. Changes were made that have gone down very badly with older transformer fans. newer fans wont give a shite about the design changes as they were brought up on beast wars etc.

  • March 25, 2007, 9:35 a.m. CST

    Jesus Christ

    by NathanDetroits

    So he's not making a carbon copy of a 20 year old, shittily animated, campy cartoon for kids. Boo fucking hoo. Now I grew up watching Transformers like 99% of the posters here but Jesus Christ, calm it down. The originals are still there to watch if you are that into it. Ok so Bay isn't Hitchcock but you knew what you were getting into as soon as this thing was announced, so the amount of manufactured shock and horror still going on here months after the announcement puzzles me.

  • March 25, 2007, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Who gotta eat?

    by Jak0lantern01

    Listen peeps, regardless of what your view of anything Transformers is, I say how about we all sit back and reserve judgement. At this point, nothing anyone says is going to matter since the movie is pretty much a done deal. I've personally gotten over the design issues, I'm going to have some faith that this movie will be entertaining. I'm sure if the characterizations are well done (especially with the Decepticons), the designs can be forgiveable. As for the nitwits that continuously point out " was a cartoon advertisement for a toy line...", you obviously have no appreciation for the potential for this movie. If you actually know how to read, pick up the original line of comics and read through to the end of its original run. There's a lot of good, dark stuff in there. The movie can be fun, involved, occasioally dark. Also, assuming that it is true that the script we all read turns out to be an early draft and things have been polished, we're probably in good shape here. Anyway, in tribute of this firestorm he has created, let's all let out one great big collective DAMN YOU MICHAEL BAY!!!

  • March 25, 2007, 10 a.m. CST


    by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies

    You should be on fucking tv with that accent.

  • March 25, 2007, 10:46 a.m. CST

    messi is a fucking dick chugger

    by Seph_J

    I know MCMLXXVI hadn't appeared at that point..... but on that principle you're saying that MCMLXXVI can only write his infamous 4 words after the ACTUAL Michael Bay appears in the talkback... right? You fucking idiot.

  • March 25, 2007, 10:57 a.m. CST

    and another thing messi...

    by Seph_J

    ...i actualluy read some of your posts, and... you you really are a fucking idiot.

  • March 25, 2007, 10:57 a.m. CST

    The Sad Thing About BringingSexyBack...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius his utter lack of reading comprehension skills.<P>I've got to hand it to you BSB, you sure do know how to misinterpret people's posts. When you get done watching gay porn on your Archos, try re-reading what I said.<P>"Ha! Are you ready for a Messageboard Flame War???!!!"<P>You see? That's pretty much a rallying cry for us AICN Talkbackers who have now become a hot-topic of contention within the Transformers Movie debate.<P>(BTW, nice try on the whole "siding with other messageboards" tactic. No sir, I'm blueblood for AICN TalkBack. Tried and True.)<P>My other post (which quotes Nelson) does nothing more than illustrate how the Bay Camp is reacting to AICN TBers. Seeing as how you're such a lemming for the "I-Hate-Bay-Crowd", you should be thanking me for that one. How you managed to botch it is stunning.<P>Tell you what, you let us know when you find out who Frank Welker is and we'll let you know when you actually have something worthwhile to say. Until then, you remain a POSEUR.

  • March 25, 2007, 11:09 a.m. CST

    Hugo Weaving? I see nothing wrong with that.

    by The Founder

    I really don't. i liked the Transformers, but i'm an adult now, and why would I get pissed over someone else doinf Meg's voice that's cool? I could see if they named some one off the wall for the voice work, but Weaving is cool enough.

  • March 25, 2007, 11:12 a.m. CST


    by Tai_Pan

    "One is that when you make a movie based on someone else's material and then change nearly everything about it (while claiming you are being faithful in this case), we have a problem." This is no different than BSG to Transformers... at least from the script I've seen and what I've READ. I'm saying that it's foolish to say the movie is going to suck because changes are coming. Let's see the movie before making ajudgement about it, otherwise you may end up looking as silly as those people who screamed "Daniel Craig is not Bond! He'll be a terrible Bond! etc." SN; I have no idea what you mean when you say "You can no longer really claim it is based on the original work." If it isn't original (which the movie is not) then it is based on something. There's nothing so dramatic a change that would change the fact that both the show and movie cover a story about a battle between Transforming robots in disguise on Earth. That isn't original, *it is based upon the show.* As for the script, it is best to remember that a script and the movie based on the script can be very different things. "It looked good/bad on paper" does not mean it will be so on film. Just read the script for Star Wars or ask Joss Whedon what he thought about his Alien Resurrection script's film adaption. "BSB improved on the existing story. No, the changes here are utterly juvenile. They enhance nothing, they are nonsensical." You haven't seen the movie, so you have no clue if the words spewing onto the computer in front of you are true or accurate. I remember thinking the X-Men flicks would be terrible just by looking at the costumes; a fine example of rushing to judgment.

  • March 25, 2007, 11:20 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    I see your point regarding the other Transformer incarnations (i.e. Armada, Cybertron, Beast Wars, etc.). Personally, I can't stand any one of those...but that rests largely with the fact that I thought the whole franchise died with Prime and Megs in the 86' film.<P>With regards to the Transfans and their collective websites, they are the automatic, built in audience that this movie should be working for. Sadly enough (for them I suppose), it has not been a 100% success. But since those guys are the truly devoted experts on Transformers (designs, characters, stories, toys, minutiae, etc.) you'd think that they would be the crowd with the most vocal and venomous reaction to the upcoming film. I'm assuming this because it seems like they would be the most emotionally invested demographic out of the fanboy lot.

  • March 25, 2007, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Tai Pan, the filmmakers have been releasing

    by superninja

    material on the film that follows the draft script exactly. What am I to take from that other than the obvious? Come on, this is not rocket science. Do you know anything about screenwriting? Certain elements of the story are necessary to drive the plot forward - there are elements throughout the released material that the plot has not changed and Bay has admitted the story beats have not changed. Not to mention, they've been caught outright lying before. When they released the teaser with the Mars rover, they claimed it was not in the movie because the entire internet fan base reacted to the fact that they had obviously CHANGED THE ORIGIN STORY straight out of the gate by having them come to Earth instead of crash-landing here and being stranded. This changes the entire motivation of characters and the premise. It turns out when the draft script was leaked the Mars rover WAS IN THE SCRIPT. And they've compounded lies since, it's really pathetic. I would respect them more if they told us they are making the movie they want to instead of acting like they are attempting to be faithful.

  • March 25, 2007, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Tai Pan, just admit you don't care about

    by superninja

    Transformers that much and stop messing around. This gets tiresome with your complaining when all you are doing is just complaining about us complaining. That really has nothing to do with the film itself. You don't need to be Einstein to tell the quality of a film before its release these days with all of the material leaked and released. They practically show you the movie before it's out. So unless you have some specific opinions about what you've seen or read, I have to assume you just like to complain about complainers.

  • March 25, 2007, 12:13 p.m. CST


    by Shia LaBoufs Panties


  • March 25, 2007, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Don't pass judgement on the material that's

    by superninja

    been released. Lower your standards and pay your $10 at the BO and only then you can judge. Yeah, because that's how we conduct ourselves in the rest of our lives, except for those special standards (low ones apparently) reserved for expensive and largely empty entertainments. Riiiiiight....

  • March 25, 2007, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Shia, my last remark was meant for you as

    by superninja

    well. It's not really about Transformers at this point. It's about the fact that no one care about a good story or characters, regardless of the basis for the movie you guys will buy anything. Hope you get what you pay for.

  • March 25, 2007, 12:22 p.m. CST

    just when I thought I was out...

    by Bloo

    they drag me back in<P> I'm NOT a hater, I want a good transformers movie, I think all of us expressing helathy critism want a good Transformers movie, I think even in the hands of Micheal Bay a good Transformers movie could be made, however, this isnt' transformers, it's transformers in name only--again it's RADICAL depatures, look again and again and again at the He-Man movie and how they made radical departures. It turned out WRETCHED even my undiscerning 10 year old mind knew that, and I think it's going to be the same thing here. Instead of sticking with one Generation, if you will, with modern neccassary redesgins (i.e. Soundwave/Shockwave...I'm even content with the change in Megatron form a gun to a jet that would look crazy in a live action movie) HOWEVER there are little things that they are doing that make no sense (i.e. Bumblebee a camero, he can't talk...that makes no sense, and i hope hte no talking thing is changed)<P>no regarding anyone from the transformers camp here to tlak...well Bay can find the time to post on his websites and call us "dickwads" then surely they can find the time to come on here and try and win us over instead of alienting us and making us more and more pissed

  • March 25, 2007, 12:34 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    I don't know Yack. Was that the one where they reconstructed 12/7/41 using only fruit?

  • March 25, 2007, 12:38 p.m. CST

    Pearl Harbor is a good example of focusing

    by superninja

    on inappropriate story elements which is a good parallel here. As far as I can recall, Transformers has never been about getting your first car and getting laid.

  • March 25, 2007, 12:47 p.m. CST

    And Bay is claiming he is making this film

    by superninja

    for a broad (adult) audience. I'm pretty sure Armada is not about getting laid, either. Jokingly, early on I predicted Bay would have one of the Autobots being washed by a girl in a bikini in slo-mo, but Megan Fox is basically the same idea. Maybe they can package Optimus Prime with Mikaela with hood-bending action? You know, for the kids?

  • March 25, 2007, 12:49 p.m. CST

    So perhaps there is hope that Shia bites it here

    by superninja

    at the end? Naaaah....

  • March 25, 2007, 1:05 p.m. CST

    RE: "Pear Harbor"

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Now that I think about it, that might not be a bad film. In fact, it could be highly entertaining (in a no-holds-barred Team America sort of way). I can just see it now:<P>"Look out! Bomb at 12 o'clock!!!<P>A classic Bay 360 degree camera shot follows the trajectory of a bananna as it's dropped from a Japanese Nashi and heads for the USS Papaya.<P>Greenlight this sucker now.

  • March 25, 2007, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Messi you really are a cum ridden fuck spoon

    by Nobby the Happy Elf

    I QUOTE "Why can't it be a great blockbuster like Empire Strikes back or Back to the future? Just cos it's not shakespeare, doesn't mean it has to be a cliche'd piece of shit. And what does it being like shakespeare mean it's good quality, shakespeare isn't even that good, I like his lesser known plays ie 'measure for measure' but Macbeth is a pretty crappy story if you've grown up reading comic books which have every type of story out there." The Bard vs comic books??? You really are a dumb trailer park fuck aren't you. You are a fucking spacktard mouthbreather Messi. Your ignorance truly shocks me. Seriously did your mother blow some trucker behind a diner and spit his load onto her twat before rubbiing it in to give birth to you so she could get on the welfare???

  • March 25, 2007, 1:16 p.m. CST


    by Tai_Pan

    I love the cartoon, and I have the film on DVD. It's not that I don't care about Transformers, I just don't care about a Transformers movie to the point that I'll condmen it without seeing the film and judging its merits simply because it doesn't conform (and let me specify that it doesn't conform to what I *personally* would like to see; a problem with a lot of the whiners who cherrypick the elements they personally feel are allowed to be changed in their own high and mighty opinions). And I certainly don't think that the bashing the haters are heaping upon the creative team is warranted as the *final product* is still months away. That's why I mentioned the analogy to Star Wars scripts that read like total ass yet play out wonderfully at times. You're right in saying that I'm complaining about complainers, but at least I KNOW what the people bitching have actually said, unlike the complainers themselves who are passing judgment on the quality of the film they haven't seen (pulling it out of their own assess). And Messi: you are a moron. This is not a logic game where I've said "if not A, then B." The point is simply that this film is about FIGHTING ROBOTS for frak's sake. Michael Bay directs action films, and let's not decieve ourselves into thinking that Transformers is anything other than cool transforming robots at war with each other. So I'll say it again; this isn't KING LEAR. You proved your stupidity when you said "Macbeth" is a "crappy" story after reading comic books. What I really hate is when people scream "Fuck Michael Bay!!" as if Michael Bay has done something to them personally. No one owes you shit. I have no beef with anyone who thinks it looks bad. I think the character designs for some of the robots look downright terrible, but I don't have the gall to say "Fuck you" to someone who has slighted me in no way conceivable. He's just a guy trying to tell a story and make some money. That's no reason to scream nasty things at him. If you see the movie and it sucks, then by all means, scream so at the top of your lungs, but the fucking director, writers, actors, etc. didn't do shit to you. If you don't think this is a Transformers film because of the changes then why bother complaining? Seriously, what justification for browbeating these people can you give? To have things *your* way? How arrogant. Just let them make the friggin' movie.

  • March 25, 2007, 1:23 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    You crazy bastard, how the heck are you?<P>messi = zfisk/homewrecker? Hmmm...I'm gonna say no on that one. zfisk grammatical and punctuation skills (or lack thereof) were of a particular significance.<P>But TomBodet, he did reveal himself several weeks ago. He is still out there. And we know he is still watching...

  • March 25, 2007, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Hey, Nobby the Happy Elf...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    RE: "cum ridden fuck spoon" et al<P>Are you trying to take the bullet train to Bannishment Land?

  • March 25, 2007, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Can you imagine TomBodet...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...if Ringy, zfisk, MinasPenithII, GingerTwit, & cocolopez all made a simultaneous return? And what if they made their return in one of these Transformers TBs?!<P>The insanity would be MAGNIFICENT. One thing is for sure, those nuts could show the wanna-be trolls that currently populate AICN what true trolling really is. DocPaz would have a field day!

  • March 25, 2007, 1:39 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    zfisk = homewrecker. When homewrecker was banned, he returned to us as "zfisk".

  • March 25, 2007, 1:52 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Yeah, I nearly forgot about ol' stooopider! I wonder if he's still around under a new he brave/foolish enough to step out of hiding? Heh.

  • March 25, 2007, 2 p.m. CST


    by Tai_Pan

    Get off your high horse: "Transformers is anything else but fighting robots." Don't be a moron. If someone asked you to sum up Transformers in one sentence, I doubt you'd fail to mention the fighting transforming robot aspect of the show. Jeez...

  • March 25, 2007, 2:35 p.m. CST

    you an idiot if you think this should be anything but

    by wcoop893

    robots fighting and things blowing up in a disaster movie style. ill go so far to say that its probably a bad idea to have these real looking robots speaking english. they shouldnt talk, but since they are talking, hugo is agreat choice

  • March 25, 2007, 3:20 p.m. CST

    awww fond memories

    by Bloo

    well not neccassarily FOND memories of those trolls but they knew how to do it

  • March 25, 2007, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Read it again, BSB.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Thank you.

  • March 25, 2007, 5:42 p.m. CST

    FOUNDER!! Not you too!

    by Immortal_Fish

    Cullen is Prime.<P>Welker is available.<P>Megs has, like, 5 lines tops. Way fewer than Cullen at least.<P>No brainer, yes?

  • March 25, 2007, 5:46 p.m. CST

    The BSG references. Please.

    by Immortal_Fish

    BSG has nowhere near the fanbase as TF. I'm sure there were diehards, but I'm equally sure their numbers weren't legion.<P>Look, this film has Megs, Prime, Bumblebee, Starscream, et al.<P>Perhaps Bay should have included some G1 canon in his G1 character driven film?<P>Oh, wait... These aren't characters. They're numbered amongst those "12 action set pieces" Bay mentioned.

  • March 25, 2007, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Tai_Pan, re: "sum up Transformers in one sentence"

    by Immortal_Fish

    Touche. However, reducing anything down to basic building blocks does nothing to make your case for you.<P>For example, Sky High included a character of a small boy that could change into a rocky giant. And yet, neither Thing nor Hulk was he.<P>Bay is not making a Transformers film. Yes, by all means, he is absolutely making a film about robots that beat the snot out of each other. And, yes, they transform. Yet they will not be a passable adaptation of the Transformers property by those facts alone.<P>By your logic, RobotJox, Voltron, Evangelion, Gaiking, Dangard Ace, and, yes, GoBots and even M.A.S.K. are Transformers.

  • March 25, 2007, 6:28 p.m. CST

    wcoop893, re: "hugo is agreat choice"

    by Immortal_Fish

    Despite my opinion that he isn't, I'm willing to entertain the notion that Weaving may be a good fit. Regardless, the presence of Cullen, Prime, and Megs will make the anti-no-brainer absence of Welker all the more abrasive. Again, my opinion.<P>Remember that we're only talking about 5 lines here. Remember Donner's first Supes film when he was running alongside the train? Remember how Lou Ferrigno was a security guard in the 2003 Hulk film? Remember how Stan Lee has a presence in just about every Marvel film? These are examples of establishing recognition and respect for past material that is being brought forward to a new interpretation.<P> Five lines. Or whatever. The lines are few. Why couldn't Welker voice them?<P>And, dammit, I feel compelled to write this again -- I'm a fan of the comic, not the cartoon. Yet the cartoon grew on me largely in part to many others here. If *I* feel this way, *how* can't some of you?

  • March 25, 2007, 6:33 p.m. CST

    God save Michael Bay


    God save Michael Bay

  • March 25, 2007, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Quite astute and poignant, IVXXLMCM

    by Immortal_Fish

    As with your handle, we'd have to reverse time to save Mr. Bay. And yet, once set in motion, most things cannot be undone.

  • March 25, 2007, 7:29 p.m. CST

    "Feltch lives"

    by Immortal_Fish

    lol<P>Whether intentional or typo, that gave me a genuine belly laugh!

  • March 25, 2007, 7:38 p.m. CST


    by Tai_Pan

    "Any storyteller worth his salt would elevate a concept with great story and characterization and acting" Hello? You haven't seen the movie yet!! How do you think you are justified in passing judgment on the actor's performance when you haven't seen the movie? I think Tyrese is a shit actor myself, but I think it's outta line to say that his performance is bad when you *have not seen it.* I actually enjoy Bernie Mac (Ocean's 11 and 12, Bad Santa) that's not to say he's a great actor, but it also does not mean he is a burden to the film... Why don't you people get this? Your comments on their acting in this film are wholly premature. Who is to say the story won't work great and how can you say the characterizations are bad WHEN YOU HAVEN'T SEEN HOW IT PLAYS OUT? Immortal Fish: What's your point in saying Transformers has more fans? How does this change the analogy? "Bay is not making a Transformers film." This is horseshit. He's making a film about transforming robots at war with each other, I mean it isn't like they're killing off Prime and all the other main characters so we could focus on robots we've never heard before fighting over something called "the Matrix" which was never on the show before... of yeah! That was the first movie called Transformers that changed everything, wasn't it?! As I said, I don't have any problem with anyone who has doubts about this film so long as they aren't screaming at the fucking cast or passing judgment on the movie as if they've already seen it, but those who are just sound to me as if they're whining "Ow!! Ow!! my pussy hurts when someone changes my cartoon!" I haven't seen any of the other shows you mentioned except Evangelion, but it would be unfair and inaccurate to say that Eva is about transforming robots at war with each other. You are arguing along the lines of the logical fallacy called "No true Scotsman." Look it up on wiki if you are unfamiliar with this argument flaw. Essentially, you are using your own criteria to define what a "real Transformers movie" would be as if had any right to, and as if anyone gave a rats ass about the individual fan wants (or in groups for that matter). It's a total smokescreen for the fact that you simply don't like what's being done. Guess what? I think it's a Transformers movie. That's every bit as compelling as "Bay is not making a Transformers film."

  • March 25, 2007, 8:45 p.m. CST

    I'd bet money Megatron will have more lines...

    by INWOsuxRED

    not because they are in the script, or add to the story, but because Bay will want to prove how "stupid" talkbackers are by adding in a bunch of new lines between now and sevenfourtyseven. THAT WILL PROVE YOU DIDN'T HAVE THE FINAL SCRIPT, INTERNET NERD! DAMN YOU MICHAEL BAY!!!!

  • March 25, 2007, 9:19 p.m. CST


    by wcoop893

    how the fuck do you know if these transformers have this "character" that you are looking for when the movie doesnt come out for another 4 months? seriously, how the fuck can you know all of this? from reading the script? maybe that would give you an idea, but you still dont know. and so what if bay pretty much failed to install feelings into the characters of pearl harbor. i actually was pretty sad during armageddon, i liked those guys. but this movie has robots in it. how hard can it be to put a little personality into them? ok pretty hard probably, without making it look stupid. thats where i trust bay. hes not gonna let his movie be retarted by trying to hard to make these badass mmotherfucking robots be loved and cared about by the audience. if he can do it right, he'll do it. thats what i think and maybe that didnt make sense. but who needs character in robos anyways. i sure dont. but just wait for the freaking movie.

  • March 25, 2007, 9:29 p.m. CST

    You people are astounding. You can't tell

    by superninja

    the direction a movie is headed in from trailers and leaked information about the movie? From interviews with the cast ON LOCATION? From a draft script that has been revised but has the SAME STORY BEATS according to the director? At this point, I must assume you ride the small bus.

  • March 25, 2007, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Even if they rewrite all the dialogue, the story

    by superninja

    is still the same according to Bay himself. It's not an improvement on the original Transformers story. It may be a perfectly fine Michael Bay movie - I mean compared to Pearl Harbor probably Oscar-worthy - but will it be an excellent Transformers film? HIGHLY DUBIOUS.

  • March 25, 2007, 9:34 p.m. CST

    The other thing that is hilarious is that since

    by superninja

    you guys are so scientific and want facts - there is NO EVIDENCE from the released material that they did not shoot the draft script.

  • March 25, 2007, 9:36 p.m. CST

    It was quite possible Bay could've made a really

    by superninja

    good Transformers movie. It would've been absolutely fine - even funny - if all the humans were stereotypes. IF, and only IF, the main characters in the film were the robots and not a quest to get Shia Labouf's character laid.

  • March 25, 2007, 9:50 p.m. CST

    Feltch has cospmic powers of deadly force

    by superninja

    to haunt the joy of the spider-creature. Bay you will be doomoed to the cosmpic power of Feltch!

  • March 25, 2007, 9:54 p.m. CST


    by wcoop893

    im gonna bet that bay can handle giving one character trait to each robot, if thats what you are looking for. prime is the father figure, possibly even like jesus? i dont know that im just guessing. humar for another. loyalty for another. puschoticness for another. sounds possible even for bay. im just confident that hes not going to get so bent up on giving these robots human characteristics and personality traits that its gonna get stupid. because remember, this is going to be more realistic and straight forwar - alien robots are fighting each other on earth. humans get mixed in. disaster movie. done. so hes not going to get carried away and make it silly by trying to put too much life into each robot. thats what i beleive and why im not worried

  • March 25, 2007, 9:57 p.m. CST

    He didn't put too much life into the human

    by superninja

    characters either, wcoop. Also a classic Bay trait. The main characters are the humans, not the robots.

  • March 25, 2007, 10:19 p.m. CST

    Messi, you ignorant slut:

    by Tai_Pan

    "Transformers is about transforming robots who have their own personalities that fight each other in a guerilla war. That's the difference. No personality in these transformers. Look at Optimus Prime, Sunstreaker, Bumblebee, Hound, Cliffjumper. All of them had different interesting personalities." How old are you, fifteen? Your argument is silly. You did not differentiate between Transformers and Go-bots yourself. The difference between Transformers and imitators is quality, something you whiners have no right to bitch about until you see the movie. Moron. Likewise, your argument that that characters are what makes it great rather ignores the fact that the characters *are* in the movie and you don't know how they will stack up to their counterparts until the movie comes out IN ADDITION, TF:TM was fun and it didn't even focus on the original characters after the first half. Theorize that it will suck all you want, but stop bashing people and a movie for things that have yet to pass.

  • March 25, 2007, 10:52 p.m. CST

    Feltch lives

    by Judge Dredds Dirty Undies

    Haha genius.

  • March 25, 2007, 10:57 p.m. CST

    messi; Sure the original cartoon had fun characters

    by ApneicMonkey

    ... but they were all extremely cliche. Optimus: The honorable warrior and leader - seen it. Starscream: The evil right hand man (robot) who wishes to usurp his master's power - seen it. Bumblebee: The lovable bridge to the human world - seen it.

  • March 25, 2007, 11:02 p.m. CST


    by Phategod1

    I don't Have to Rub my nose in shit to know it stinks. We (the Haters) have seen the models,seen the trailer, read the script listened to the Cast and crew and we cant tell by all those things and all the news that drops in our Opinions have been disappointing to say the least. I just saw the Commericial for a Underdog movie I don't have to waste nearly 2 hours of my life to know that movie will be shit on a shingle. You know TF's is about character but you fail to see the movie was put in the hands of man who makes movies without any character or substance and is has been blessed on occasion actors with the ability phone it in.

  • March 25, 2007, 11:28 p.m. CST


    by superninja

    Underdog could be a great movie! You have to pay $10 to decide!

  • March 25, 2007, 11:34 p.m. CST

    Nevermind that it has absolutely nothing to do

    by superninja

    with the source material! That was just a stupid cartoon, this has a real dog so it's more realistic! I'm sure they are doing something much better with the idea, the trailer is funny. Don't be a hater!

  • March 25, 2007, 11:37 p.m. CST

    Ummmm, no Apneicmonkey

    by IndustryKiller!

    No you don't. Criticising the old cartoon is more than fair, but NOT criticising the chracterisation when you posted above that you found the script of the film "fun". So the characters are cliche? Not really. They may have fit archetypes, as they should in a good vs. evil story, but the voice acting gave them subtleties you could hang on, and through interpretation, magnify on your own. And yeah you've seen those archetypes before, but then again you've also seen them before in the likes of Star Wars and Lord of the Rings. And while the robots in Transformers aren't on the level of those films, there is certainly enough to fill a few films. You've seen it because they are ARCHETYPES. Classic characters in every story from Greek history right on down. Now the human characters in the film, THOSE are cliches. Not a single ounce of substance to them. Not only that but the archetypes they represent aren't timeless classics, they are sub B movie cliches. Absolutely painful to read on the page. As for the robots in the film script? Well, what can I say? No really, I'm asking, what can I say? Absolutely non existent personalities. The Deceptacons don't even speak for chrissakes. This isn't my opnion, it's fact. WIth the exception of Optimus and the 5 minutes of Megatron there are absolutely no personalities to speak of. All I can assume from your posts is that you would prefer the robots have no character whatsoever than that of the originals.

  • March 25, 2007, 11:37 p.m. CST

    Gosh, I am so enlightened compared with all

    by superninja

    of those boobs who wanted an Underdog movie that was actually about all of the things its supposedly based on. It was just a stupid idea, I'm sure a real talking dog in a cape is 100 times more genius and original!

  • March 25, 2007, 11:39 p.m. CST

    Everyone knows that the whole point of

    by superninja

    Underdog was a realistic dog in a cape. That's all it was.

  • March 25, 2007, 11:43 p.m. CST

    Industry Killer, do your "facts" match up with

    by superninja

    what we have seen in the trailers and interviews? Ooops. Yes, yes it does.

  • March 26, 2007, 12:01 a.m. CST


    by ImJustSaying

    YEAH! My ex girlfriend used to flip out over how sexy Hugo's voice was as Rex in 'Babe.' This is the first news I've heard about this movie that actually makes me want to see it. Hugo Weaving is fucking awesome. Also, everybody go see TMNT.

  • March 26, 2007, 1:11 a.m. CST

    Superninja, Yack (my friend), Tai, Moto, Industry, etc.

    by moto

    ... Let's watch the fucking movie and then we'll all talk... that's my humble viewpoint. Until then, nobody can say it's great and nobody can say it sucks. Plain and simple. Don't care if you love Michael Bay, tolerate him, hate him, think because you've read the online and yes, early draft of the script you've seen the final product, think because the online script is an early draft thus everything will be changed (not so, obviously), hate the character designs, love the character designs, tolerate the new updates, despise the new updates, etc. etc. etc. <P> No matter what, no opinion of the final product is legit until said opinioneer (that's not a word is it?) has seen the movie. It's just part of the monster that AICN and its copies have created as far as readers creating an extreme positive or extreme negative opinion of the final movie based primarily on events, "reviews", leaked images/scripts, etc. that are "consumed" BEFORE SEEING THE MOVIE. <p> Miss the days when a majority of the people wandered into that theater with wonder and curious wide eyes, not knowing what to expect. The days before the internet when Starlog was the only access and limited at that. I try the best I can to be that, but I know, it's tough not to take a peak. <p> Regardless, can't wait to wonder into that theater opening weekend with a bag of popcorn and a small soda (I hate getting to the end of the movie and not being able to hold my piss right when fucking X-Wings are attacking a Death Star), wide-eyed hoping for the best. I love Transformers. Big part of my childhood besides G.I. Joe and that older chick that lived across the street who never wanted to close her shades when undressing or showering. Ah. Anyway, if the movie sucks, I'll go watch my Transformers DVDs. If it rocks, I'll go see it again. If it has some good and some bad, I'll take the good and wait for the sequel.

  • March 26, 2007, 1:28 a.m. CST

    FUCK THIS MOVIE!!! Gimme some pirates instead

    by Doc_Strange

    Does anyone seriously think TF can even come close to contending with POTC for movie of the summer? Maybe Spiderman 3, but you know what? If any of these movies can stamp out the abortion that is Transformers, I'm all for it.

  • March 26, 2007, 1:46 a.m. CST

    I want Transformers to do well.

    by Boondock Devil

    If only to get the Dinobots into the mix. I love me some gigantic robotic dinosaurs.

  • March 26, 2007, 2:46 a.m. CST

    Michael Bay should have directed

    by jegoing74

    My little pony in the land of rainbow dragons. You aren't all that great of a director and BFD you can film car crashes. The story isn't worth being written on toliet paper and your so-called creative team really fucked up the robot designs. Thanks for nothing mike bay, you are nothing more than a hack and wannabe urban director, that was spawned from the suburban hills of southern california.

  • March 26, 2007, 3:46 a.m. CST


    by Nobby the Happy Elf

    I have to agree with your summary of the Gen1 characters. Yes they are stereotypes but that's why I loved the original cartoon as a kid, and why I recently watched them again and bought the 25th ani DVD of the movie. I initally wanted a retelly of the original story - I haven't read the script yet (only because I can't find the fucking thing.) I've adjusted to the fact that I am not going to get Gen1 tho. I hate armada, beast-fuck-spooning-wars and all that other BS, but I can accept that Bay is giving us yet another reinvention of the TF's story. (with the same old charcter names they reuse every few years.) On the other hand I wish that There were a few more nods of the head back to Gen1. at least keep the Generic alt modes (eg truck, van, jet, ambulance etc) but marry them to the correct character and colour. This would have made me a lot happier. Although Bay doesn't need to give a shit about what I think of course. I do however accept that Megatron would suck fetid balls as a gun in a live action movie, but every other alt mode he has ever head has been cacko. Regards Nobby....

  • March 26, 2007, 3:52 a.m. CST


    by Nobby the Happy Elf

    Sorry I forgot to add this, I also would have liked to heard Welker playing off against Cullen one last time. Not that I'm rabid, other actors could be great for the role. But I'm not sure on Weaving. Wasn't fussed with him in the matrix movies, thought he was badly cast in LOTR and looked like a balding vulcan. But I loved his voice work in V for vendetta. I'd love Mark Hamill to voice one of the Bots tho...

  • March 26, 2007, 4:37 a.m. CST


    by Nobby the Happy Elf

    newly created just for you... I'll brew up a fresh pot of tea and have a read... Thanks Nobby

  • March 26, 2007, 5:59 a.m. CST

    UnderDogs GOTTA EAT

    by Phategod1

    sorry I had to.

  • March 26, 2007, 7:28 a.m. CST

    UnderDogs have to be careful what they eat...

    by just pillow talk

    rat poison is never a good thing in dog/cat food. Well, maybe cat food.

  • March 26, 2007, 8:21 a.m. CST

    Quin Nailed It

    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    In the first line of the 4th paragraph. Nuff said. An aside, EFNY is airing on tv this week.... on the PAX channel. What the hell are they going to air? Just the part where Snake is going for a glider ride? Ooops, nope can't do that because he's busy playing with himself.

  • March 26, 2007, 8:30 a.m. CST


    by Grammaton Cleric Binks

    Damn Monday morning typos and eskimoes

  • March 26, 2007, 8:45 a.m. CST

    Thats really not bad news I guess

    by godzillasushi

    I know people brought his name up a lot. Frank Welker would have been fine but if it had to be anyone else, im glad its him. Im thrilled about this movie regardless of whether its any good.

  • March 26, 2007, 9:32 a.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    You're late to the party.

  • March 26, 2007, 10:29 a.m. CST

    Missing the Point

    by sevenrivera

    Once upon a time, blockbusters were more than just something blowing up in an over-the-top unrealistic way followed by a lame catch phrase uttered by a wooden actor (and a dog pissing on a robot's leg). The movie events of the summer were as much about plotting, dialogue, character and style as they were about spectacular set pieces and escapist fantasy. Movies like Raiders of the Lost Ark, Jaws, Empire Strikes Back, Star Wars, etc. were the big blockbuster hits and they were fun action movies, but they were also GOOD movies. Then along came Independence Day, Godzilla, Daredevil, etc. Each one worse than the one before it. And this gradual degredation of quality culminates in the scabby herpe that is Michael Bay. This movie will suck donkey, I guarantee it, and yet it will make money because all of the idiots willing to keep giving Michael Bay another chance or they are simply willing to give up on the ideal of good cinema and apologetically say something stupid like, "Sure it's mindless, but it's fun and things blow up." Can't we expect more than that? People live up to expectations given and if that's a high enough standard for you, then that is why Hollywood fails. Maybe I should turn my white hot hatred away from Michael Bay and instead direct it to you, his fans/apologists/accepters who allow him and his kind to continue to make movies. Just walk away from it. Hang your head in sadness and walk away from it. Send a message that we are not going to allow them to keep catering to the lowest common denominator (or even worse, the retarded foreign audience who wouldn't understand subtlety if it was jammed up their candy asses). Don't pay for this syphlitic whore of a movie. Let it die on the vine as a sacrifice in the name of better movie making. Amen.

  • March 26, 2007, 10:52 a.m. CST

    Fair Enough

    by sevenrivera

    You're right, it's not exactly the same, but I just used Daredevil as an example that came to mind of a big budget movie where plot, dialogue, character development, acting, style and subtlety were all sacrificed to mindless stupidity and over-the-top action. But glad you see the point.

  • March 26, 2007, 11:05 a.m. CST

    Foreign Audiences

    by sevenrivera

    I also have to disagree with you on the foreign audiences and their taste in movies. Primarily a result of language difficulties, but also a cultural difference, the general foreign audience is vastly less sophisticated than the domestic audience when it comes to American movies (or at least they used to be, we've managed to come down to their level in a lot of ways). A movie like Godzilla or even Batman and Robin will do very well in the foreign box office because they don't understand/appreciate subtlety. Again, with language and cultural differences, they cannot be blamed. I am sure even with subtitles and a careful eye, I am not able to really grasp the subtletly of some of their movies either. Which is unfortunate, because subtlety is often key to greatness. Before you hold out the sophisticated taste of the foreign audience, remember two names: Jerry Lewis and David Hasselhoff. 'Nuff said.

  • March 26, 2007, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Well that is disappointing...

    by nonsensical

    When I heard this news I have to say I was rather disappointed, but not in just the fact that Hugo will be Megs, but in that my friend had given me wrong information and as a result made me look rather stupid. If you remember I said that Welker was cast in this film and had already recorded the dialog tracks. So when this story hit essentially showing my contact to be in the wrong I immediately contacted my friend and asked them what was up. <p> At first I didn't get a response, which is why I'm so late in arriving to this party. However this morning I received a message from them explaining what had apparently happened. It appears that Megatron has so little to actually say in this film that the reading for this part was recorded with the intention of possibly being used as a final mix so as to avoid a schedule conflict if a voice actor such as Welker was selected. Now, I personally take this as an explanation that makes sense. From what we've read in the script Megatron has very little to actually say, also Frank is currently in a few different animated shows and film right now so I can see him being busy. So again, this explanation makes sense to me. It still makes me look stupid for saying anything but it makes sense. Now the interesting thing is that my friend tells me that Hugo Weaving had recored the same dialog as Frank Welker and that it's possible that Weaving is the choice, but they were not sure why this would be given that Welker's test was so well recieved. At least by what my friend had seen and heard. <p> So, this is where I say that until I see it and hear it I don't think I'll believe it. My friend has left me a little skeptical of this "announcement" and if it is true I can't honestly say that I like this news. Weaving just doesn't have that menace in his voice that Welker does, nor does he have the range to change his voice enough that we can't hear it and KNOW it's Agent Smith. <p> Now to recap... <p> Was I wrong in saying Welker had the part? Yes and I can admit that and even take responsibility for faulty reporting on my part, but given my sources position and the length of our friendship (five years and counting) you can see why I trusted this information. <p> Do I wish Welker had the part? Yes and No. I am of the mindset that it would be nice to go into that theater and close my eyes to listen to the exchange between Prime and Megatron, but the fact that Welker isn't in this takes the credibility away from Bay as a Director and simply ads to the sad truth that he, like so many other Directors, just doesn't understand the property that he is charged with bringing to life. Welker had the unique opportunity to distance himself from this film and denounce it and given his past with this character he has the right and the influence to do so and possibly effect the fans that might see this film. <p> Well, I suppose that's all I have to say on this subject and also that this news only proves that this film is going to be a series of misteps and missed opportunities. Just another in a long line of "what it could have been" movies that have come out in the last few years. <p> Oh and I also have to give a shoutout to Yackbacker, WannaBannana, Messi, Phategod1, Mr. Nice Gaius, and SuperNinja... how's it going everyone? Sorry for the mistake, I'll try not to let it happen again.

  • March 26, 2007, 12:06 p.m. CST

    I come from the future to tell you that this film

    by Dorothys Taint Again

    willl be a terrible disaster. Yes, it will make money, but you'll feel empty inside after paying to see it. Michael Bay will laught his souless laugh all the way to the bank while holding a sack full of your dignity. <p> Don't say you weren't warned. <p> Back to the replign!

  • March 26, 2007, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Christ, Deja Vu

    by Lost Prophet

    Can't be bothered to go over this again. It will blow. End of.<p> regarding the old trolls. I miss them, they were far more fun than the new lot. <p>I wonder if cocococolopez's dismal act ever got signed. Or at least finished making my burger.

  • March 26, 2007, 12:24 p.m. CST


    by emeraldboy

    What you are saying is not true. UPI was disaster and a disgrace becuase Universal and Paramount all but killed off small distributors in the 90s as did Disney and Warners bros and Fox. These giants carved up the the world wide distribution deals for themselves and as a result art house cinema and the means to distribute intelligent films al but died. The 90's had their fair share of turds. Small indie pics are often relegated to a late night screening. where they will last a week if there lucky and find eek there way onto DVD. We will not always have big summer blockbusters because the public get bored, eventually. The future of Cinema will arrive in two summers time When Cameron makes and releases his first film in a decade. That movie may or may not blow its rivals out of the water. untill then we will have to stick with bay. I cant speak for all europeans but in ireland and the UK the reaction to The good german was lukewarm at best as was the reaction to the black book. Arthur and invisibles Stunk. I hate badly made blockbusters just as much as the rest of you do. And after sitting through the 2 hour shitefests that were lara croft, I wnated to send ahollywood a message that I was sick of being bludgened over the head with this rubbish. The Noisy and empty headed, Tomb radier: cradle of life is the only film that I have ever considered walking out of but I stuck it out. We are going to get a a third one. These Summer of Dumbs have got to end, but that will only happen if people vot with there feet and stop going to films like tomb raider etc. But that wont happen so i am afraid we are stuck with bay for the time being.

  • March 26, 2007, 12:27 p.m. CST


    by finky089


  • March 26, 2007, 12:38 p.m. CST

    That's not true either emeraldboy

    by Lost Prophet

    The London reception was really quite good, and it had unverhoevean (what a great word!) levels of critical acclaim. <p>Regarding the distribution carve up, this was inevitable. In music, which has a similar pattern, the major labels kept swallowing the smaller indies finally culminating in the attempted Warner-EMI merger (I read recently that there are only 4 "true" major labels now). However, people do still keep trying and starting up their own small labels. Sometimes they get astronomically lucky (Domino leaping to mind), but there remains an alternative to the anodyne R'n'Bullsit dreck pushed by the majors. It will probably go the same way with the studios- the generic shit aimed at ADD 14 year olds will be pumped out by the gallon, but there will always be an arthouse/ independant alternative.

  • March 26, 2007, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Some how seems appropriate.

    by ExcaliburFfolkes

    Given that Mr. Weaving played the only character with any personality or wit in the Matrix films. Come to think of it, his was also the only character that seemed to be having any fun. Maybe he can give Megatron a little panache.

  • March 26, 2007, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Keith David is in this

    by Phategod1


  • March 26, 2007, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Megatron was not...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...crazy or psychotic. That was Galvatron. Megatron was cold, calculating and ruthless. NOT nuts.

  • March 26, 2007, 3:14 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Thanks for the shout-out. Don't worry about your "mistake" (I actually don't remember it). But it sounds like you've got some inside information. Let us know what else you can find out. Keep digging!

  • March 26, 2007, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Megatron was a coward too, though.

    by superninja

    Not as big a one as Starscream. But when he pretended to beg for mercy so he could take a pot-shot at Prime? That's a great scene, but it's not "kewl" so that Megs is out. Instead, we have the giant chandelier brother who rips out sparks and talks like Agent Smith.

  • March 26, 2007, 5:50 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by jegoing74

    Go HUMP Mike bays leg.

  • March 26, 2007, 5:59 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Awww, what's the matter? Getting owned on all those Transformers sites too much for ya?

  • March 26, 2007, 6:48 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius

    by jegoing74

    I'm not getting owned at any site. I'm stating my dislike for this film. Nothing about getting owned, now go become a nuisance to someone who cares.

  • March 26, 2007, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Apparently, jegoing74...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...I am being a nuisance to someone who cares. I mean that is why you are posting on a Transformers thread, right?<P>The fact that I recognized your name from about 3 TFers websites, I thought I would welcome you to the AICN TFer party.<P>Try the dip.

  • March 26, 2007, 7:32 p.m. CST

    Who dipped their balls in the punch? fecal debris??

    by finky089

    Come on Abom, you gotta have somethign funny to add to this TB today...

  • March 26, 2007, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Starscream had his cowardly moments, but

    by finky089

    i seem to remember him being more traitorous than consistently "cowardly". If memory serves, he'd go in guns blazing if he thought others had his back, but not alone against shitty odds. Megs, maybe he would though. <p> Didn't the autobots have a peacenik member who didn't like "fighting"? Was it Mirage?

  • March 26, 2007, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Starscream is a thug who thinks he's smart enough

    by superninja

    to lead. That's why Megatron keeps him in check because he is a coward - a backseat driver. The Decepticons have a worldview based on strongman rule. Starscream thinks he's strong enough, but he's clearly not. His only position of power is to make Megatron look weak, he cannot hold the place of authority. He is actually more dangerous to the Cons than the Autobots. Now that would've been interesting in the movie. But, you know THE COSMIC KEY HAS GOT TO EAT!

  • March 26, 2007, 8:12 p.m. CST

    Actually, Starscream is always trying to get

    by superninja

    people to vote against Megatron, too. Haha. Democracy. Oh, someone much smarter should've written this movie! Or, it should've been written for someone much smarter to direct, what a great movie it could've been and so timely as well! Such a waste.

  • March 26, 2007, 8:16 p.m. CST

    finky, yes, the Autobot pacifist (only possible under

    by superninja

    the Autobot worldview) was First Aid. Mirage was kind of a snob and wanted to get back to Cybertron any way possible.

  • April 6, 2007, 11:15 p.m. CST

    Yet another lame decision

    by Chief Joseph

    Welker is the master of movie creature voices. It should have been him. And why is Don Murphy STILL not credited for this movie on Why is he forbidding them from putting his name on this movie? Why is he deleting people's comments on their Message Board? Why is he deleting references to his fight with Tarantino on Wikipedia?