March 22, 2007, 6:43 p.m. CST
Seeing this tomorrow night in Hollywood. We'll see how much got butchered by the "glorious" MPAA. Any AICN people going?
March 22, 2007, 7:02 p.m. CST
by Quake II
My beef isn't about the R rating so much as the fact that the filmmakers caved in to the MPAA and released it with a rating at all. Yes, some Grindhouse films were rated R, but MANY true Grindhouse movies were rated M or not rated at all. Grindhouse is about "bucking" the system. Making films that appealed to weirdos, freaks and night crawlers. Don't confuse midnight movies with Grindhouse. They are not the same thing. Tarantino would love nothing more than to release the sickest vision possible in an NC-17 or NR format, but the MPAA/distribution system won't allow it to be shown in enough theaters to be noticed. So I am pissed with the whole system that FORCES a rating for a film to be seen in theaters. How much more excited would you be to sit down in the theater on opening night to an NC-17 or NR rated Grindhouse? You know exactly what to expect with an R rating. No surprises. Nothing too controversial. So on April 6, let's enjoy the severely edited version of a film and wait 6 months for the real vision. Just another Hollywood movie.....
March 22, 2007, 7:11 p.m. CST
by Gwai Lo
a "gotta take a shit mask" until Harry runs out
March 22, 2007, 7:23 p.m. CST
Anything cut from the trailers? Or did you not discuss this with him? I'm dying to know!
March 22, 2007, 7:38 p.m. CST
The last two Weinstein films to have that treatment were HANNIBAL RISING and FACTORY GIRL. ----- Uh-oh. The first Tarantino film to not be screened with pride? A shame...
March 22, 2007, 7:55 p.m. CST
by Pound Sand
and all he said was, "BRaaaaaaayyyyyyynnnnss"
March 22, 2007, 8:05 p.m. CST
the same project, you had Four Rooms. Ah, good times... Bring on the self-indulgent filmmaking. Tarantino's 15 mins. are up. Buy that man more coke. Weinsteins are distancing themselves from this already.
March 22, 2007, 8:19 p.m. CST
Gomez, there are press screenings, one tomorrow night in Hollywood. And Wack, the last collaboration between Tarantino/Rodriguez was From Dusk Til Dawn, 1996, not Four Rooms, 1995.
March 22, 2007, 8:24 p.m. CST
NOT THE SAME THING. ---- I'm talking about the critics across America. Only a small percentage of them are able to see the film early. ---- The Weinsteins are oddly holding the film from the online critics that could be the film's biggest support team.
March 22, 2007, 8:56 p.m. CST
Weinstein Co. isn't hiding this one. Everyone will have plenty of time to write their reviews.
March 22, 2007, 9:06 p.m. CST
"Everyone" is not able to see it. Ask around to your online friends, you'll hear more about this troubling situation.
March 22, 2007, 9:10 p.m. CST
I have spoken
March 22, 2007, 9:10 p.m. CST
by Gwai Lo
between Tarantino and Rodriguez was Sin City, 05.
March 22, 2007, 9:11 p.m. CST
We'll see after tomorrow night what online critics happen to be at the screening I going to. I guarantee you there will be a few there. Why would the Weinsteins hide this flick after the marketing blitz? Two of their most well known directors coming together again and they burn the online critics? No, I don't think so. Harry or Mori, if you are tracking this debate speak up and let us know if either one of you have been "burned" by the Weinsteins and their "efforts" to hold this film from online critics. Either way I'll send in my review tomorrow night or Saturday morning.
March 22, 2007, 9:12 p.m. CST
Sin City doesn't really count, does it? He directed a gaggle of scenes.
March 22, 2007, 10:03 p.m. CST
For everyone. Except me, I guess, since Generalleutnant Harold has banned me from all Weinstein Co. screenings forthwith. And *that*, my friends, is a troubling situation. Please write your congressman.
March 22, 2007, 10:06 p.m. CST
It's a goddamned zombie/serial killer movie. You think the Weinsteins or Tarantino and Rodriguez really give a flying fuck about what the mainstream press is going to say? That's like saying J-Cam gave a shit what the indie houses said about 'Titanic'. The people that have been tracking this movie's progress for years now are going to have their asses in seats no matter what those tough-guy assholes at JoBlo have to say, so really - who gives a shit? You guys really will bitch about anything, won't you?
March 22, 2007, 10:12 p.m. CST
You have a rep for an unbridled ego, so I'll be simple here: the press screenings are not for everyone. Do your homework.
March 22, 2007, 10:51 p.m. CST
Should be fun. We get to hear Tarantino say "Alright Alright" a lot.
March 22, 2007, 11:17 p.m. CST
And I'm glad to see Tarantino is sticking with his "trunk shot" staple.
March 23, 2007, 12:25 a.m. CST
Having dropped on the scene during the early 70's (where I cut my cinematic teeth at drive-ins that showed damn near every grindhouse flick referenced in this film, allow me to clear up a few things: 1. I have a book charting the history of the biggest theatre chain in St. Louis. In the book is a picture of a drive-in marquee with a triple feature of "Beyond The Door", "Abby" and "Deranged". All prime Grindhouse material during the heyday. All rated R. 2. Google the website of the New Beverly Cinema (in my stomping grounds of LA) and check out the titles in QT's Grindhouse Film Festival. 99.9% of those were rated R too. Come to think of it, I didn't even spot any X rated flicks in the whole list. 3. In the beginning of the ratings system, there were 4 ratings: G, M, R & X. M was the equivalent of PG in those days. Steve McQueen's classic "Bullitt" was rated M. That damn sure ain't grindhouse, dude. In addition, the MPAA back in their younger, leaner days weren't as anal-retentive regarding their precious ratings system as they are today. I've seen 1970's era PG rated flicks with F-bombs, T&A AND dudes getting their chests blown away at the hands of 12-gauge shotguns. The MPAA let a lot of stuff slide in those days. It's just as well that they let "Grindhouse" slide, too.
March 23, 2007, 12:40 a.m. CST
And it was fucking awesome. Totally hardcore. Unlike anything you've ever seen. Harvey and Bob have balls the size of planets for giving us 2 great movies for the price of one. You'll see. My review is coming shortly. Talking to Quentin and Robert tomorrow and don't know if I'll be able to sleep tonight. Get ready to have your brains blown.
March 23, 2007, 12:41 a.m. CST
by Quake II
Cannibal Ferox, Ilsa She Wolf Of The SS, Maniac, Cannibal Holocaust, The Gore Gore Girls, Zombie Lake, The Executioner, Basket Case are a few examples of films that were either chopped to get R ratings or released unrated on the seedy theater circuit. We already know that Grindhouse is sooo offensive it needed to be edited. That's my beef. I heard that the fucking Eli Roth fake trailer is so bad that it's been edited! I am anti-censorship. Plain and simple. Even the first few sentences of the TRAILER for Grindhouse describes Grindhouse movies as "films that had too much hardcore sexuality and violence to be shown in most theaters"!
March 23, 2007, 12:44 a.m. CST
on comcast right now
March 23, 2007, 12:58 a.m. CST
but I'll be dressed up as a zombie and I'll do my own make-up. This'll be a fun show.
March 23, 2007, 5 a.m. CST
Wack, I dunno that I'd call it fifteen minutes, seeing as it's been about sixteen years since Reservoir Dogs. But I suppose if you wanna hold opinions in blind opposition to undeniable truths, that's your business. And actually, the last RR/QT team up was the cult hit Dusk Til Dawn and people actually tend to like the RR and QT segments of Four Rooms, but, you know... whatever.
March 23, 2007, 5:01 a.m. CST
nuff said, still think this movie looks all over the place, only part im interested in seeing is the zombie bit, quent's bit looks a bit piss to me
March 23, 2007, 8:09 a.m. CST
Well, it's almost here isn't it? Of the two films, I'm actually looking forward to seeing Quentin's more..(less CGI and Green Screen action and more ACTUAL Grindhouse style cinema) Robert's stuff's is gooey, gorey fun to be sure, but WAAAAY over the top. But I guess that's the point? I even got a chance to play a pus-dripping, swollen creature in Planet Terror (no, they are NOT technically the living dead, so no...not zombies)... thanks to my friend Greg Nicotero, and got to chase Rose McGowan around a truck. Fun stuff, but still. Kurt Russel will RULE this movie.
March 23, 2007, 8:25 a.m. CST
Harry, next time you're on the phone with El Señor Rodriguez, could you ask him the shooting and release dates for Sin City 2? And who's gonna be Ava Lord? In the meanwhile, I'm still waiting to know the Italian release dates for the 2 separated Grindhouse movies...
March 23, 2007, 9:49 a.m. CST
A little too posh to be real grindhouse, too selfconscious and too well financed. Dudes needed to take a cue from Dogma and do the movie with the same resources and restrictions of the grindhouse they were supposedly emulating, insteading of exploiting it as a gimmick and really making a 2007 luxury home. QT's is closer to that aesthetic, but less fun than the RR. To quote the ORIGINAL Zombies: "She's Not There."
March 23, 2007, 9:53 a.m. CST
by Pound Sand
Oh, wait, that's just his regular face.
March 23, 2007, 9:57 a.m. CST
Death Proof is simply awful...incredibly slow moving until about the last 15 minutes.
March 23, 2007, 10:52 a.m. CST
...in this muthafucka?
March 23, 2007, 1:43 p.m. CST
Seriously, it's been forever
March 23, 2007, 6:14 p.m. CST
by Quake II
Details man....Details. How are the trailers?
March 23, 2007, 6:51 p.m. CST
by Bronx Cheer
<p>Wow, that's a real fucking surprise. Why the hell would anyone repeat a story in the Post unless it was for laughs?</p> <p>And Zarles, what is up with the "J-Cam?" It's really okay to just use the guy's name. A-Rod, K-Fed, yeah, yeah yeah, very cool names, right. (My ass.) But J-CAM? Please.
March 23, 2007, 6:54 p.m. CST
by Bronx Cheer
Shit shit shit shit shit. Grindhouse films are the equivalent of licking the bottom of your shoe after walking through the bathroom at Grand Central Terminal. Yeah, it's edgy and oh so bad ass, but it's still fucking awful. This whole trend toward liking shit BECAUSE it's shit is pathetic.
March 23, 2007, 10:23 p.m. CST
Normally I'm a fan of these two, but wow is that a goofy concept.
March 24, 2007, 3:41 a.m. CST
...and you will realize both of these movies are so awesome your head will explode.
March 24, 2007, 8:03 p.m. CST
by georges garvaren
without 'goofy' concepts, the grindhouse genre ceases to exists. Judging a grindhouse pictures on the grounds of it being too ‘goofy’ (be it in regards to sex, violence, dialogue, or logic) is like saying a particular nonsense poem is too nonsensical. Grindhouses’ purpose is to be over the top with or without direction, and possibly (if not usually) for no good reason at all. Exploitation films are a simple pleasure; one may put great thought into them, or none what-so-ever. For me, that’s kind of the beauty of them; it’s just silly, crazed buffoonery with blood and tits to spare. I think if you saw the film, you would dig it. But to play it safe, go see it at the cheapseat theater so you don’t have give a burp and a fart about the cash.