March 16, 2007, 3:21 p.m. CST
March 16, 2007, 3:21 p.m. CST
I am so tempted to look.
March 16, 2007, 3:22 p.m. CST
PWND the show. What a great character.
March 16, 2007, 3:22 p.m. CST
by Hyperion Consul
i wish this show wouldn't have started when everyone was still bitter over the sci-fi channel cancelling farscape. that's the main reason i didn't start watching this show (and almost didn't watch "children of dune"). i guess i'll wait for syndication, it seems to much has happened to just jump in.
March 16, 2007, 3:25 p.m. CST
WHY DID I LOOK!?!? WHY THE FRAK DID I LOOK!?!?!? NOT THAT!!! NOT THAT!!!
March 16, 2007, 3:25 p.m. CST
I also hope it makes up for the filler episodes too.<P>Here's to Season 4.
March 16, 2007, 3:27 p.m. CST
March 16, 2007, 3:33 p.m. CST
It doesn't all happen Sunday. Only half, the other half is next Sunday. So wait. Who is the Cylon, who is dead, and who discovers earth?(what the promos promised) Does Kara both die and discover earth? (and possibly be a Cylon)
March 16, 2007, 3:36 p.m. CST
by darth jobu
So, who's the twelfth? Jobu
March 16, 2007, 3:37 p.m. CST
I heard that the show extends an extra five minutes. Almost forgot last time.
March 16, 2007, 3:37 p.m. CST
It's a doosey.
March 16, 2007, 3:38 p.m. CST
__D_O_N_'_T_!_!_!_!__ Them spoilers were HUGE. Almost as big as ST "I Am Your Father" huge.... It might be worth it to write spoilers that big in 0.5pt font size in a .DOC file that's triple encrypted with the passwords scattered around the internet so we have to go through all the extra effort to read it.
March 16, 2007, 3:39 p.m. CST
DIRK BENEDICT IS THE IMPERIOUS LEADER!!! J/K. Avoid the invisotext like the plague folks.
March 16, 2007, 3:39 p.m. CST
by darth jobu
Sorry for the putting a spoilerage in the subject line...
March 16, 2007, 3:41 p.m. CST
OMFG! Season 4 here we come!
March 16, 2007, 3:51 p.m. CST
that just ain't fair to everyone. Damn. Damn. Damn.
March 16, 2007, 3:57 p.m. CST
and his grandmother?<br> <br> The showrunners must not be pleased?
March 16, 2007, 4:11 p.m. CST
by MC Vamp
March 16, 2007, 4:20 p.m. CST
i call shenanigans on these spoilers!! some of this shite just don't make sense...
March 16, 2007, 4:24 p.m. CST
J.J. Abrams and Damon Lindelof, take note.
March 16, 2007, 4:25 p.m. CST
Just because the characters think or are told that they are Cylons, doesn't mean the neccesarily are. The one character spoken of in the final spoiler obviously shows there is a new facet to the game. Might the characters who come to believe (mistakenly) they are Cylons be associated with this third faction? Perhaps a sort of glowy shiny noisy inigmaticcy faction that might have been featured in the first BSG?
March 16, 2007, 4:26 p.m. CST
Sorry. I spelled my fake word wrong the first time.
March 16, 2007, 4:33 p.m. CST
*avoids this and all BSG talkbacks until March 25 so I remain unspoiled* :D
March 16, 2007, 4:37 p.m. CST
by jimmy rabbitte
...be watching this on Sunday night. It sounds really good. I'm wondering how accurate the reports are; but I don't really care. One thing I always try to remember though is-- this is the season ending cliff-hanger... what they give in these last two weeks, they may try to take back somehow at the beginning of next season. After all... a year ago at this time it looked like the show was going to be about a bunch of refugees stuck on a planet under Cylon rule; and they got out of that in what 3 or 4 episodes? I love this show and I'm in 'til the end, but I've stopped completely buying into every single path they start taking us down.
March 16, 2007, 4:37 p.m. CST
by Jimmie Dimmick
It makes perfect sense now! Bob Dylan is a Cylon!
March 16, 2007, 4:37 p.m. CST
by JeanLuc Dickhard
damn it i wish i wasnt so weak ...........dammit you know i needs the spoiler.........
March 16, 2007, 4:41 p.m. CST
by Big Bad Clone
Fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck! I really wish I hadn't read the invisotext.
March 16, 2007, 4:45 p.m. CST
Are we going to get a dumbass extra special bonus scene at the end of these episodes also?
March 16, 2007, 4:46 p.m. CST
Wait... nevermind. Wrong thing.
March 16, 2007, 4:51 p.m. CST
I read it!!!!!!!!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 16, 2007, 4:52 p.m. CST
March 16, 2007, 5:04 p.m. CST
by Prof. Pop-Cult
I just have this feeling that all these amazing plot twists will be undone in the 4th season premiere... not everything will be what it appears to be at first. Just my gut feeling, from reading these spoilers.
March 16, 2007, 5:09 p.m. CST
Guess I'll join in later...
March 16, 2007, 5:10 p.m. CST
by Hairy Nutsack
**SPOILERS**<p> There's a three for one deal at Starbuck's, I totally own.
March 16, 2007, 5:15 p.m. CST
I'm just sayin'.
March 16, 2007, 5:15 p.m. CST
by Prof. Pop-Cult
1. Who the final five are. 2. Starbuck. My theory has been that the character could return next season as an in-head character, but not in corporal form. These spoilers suggest who could be the person who experiences in-head Starbuck....
March 16, 2007, 5:16 p.m. CST
I have watched the finale already and all the stuff in the inviso text is true if you havent read it yet DO NOT READ IT, its SOOOOOOOOOOOOO worth it to skip
March 16, 2007, 5:20 p.m. CST
Now all I have to do is stay away from the internet for the next 10 days. <p> Should be fun...
March 16, 2007, 5:25 p.m. CST
Highlighting the inviso-text had about the same effect for me as someone saying "Don't touch that, it's hot!", and then me touching it out of sheer curiousity and being severly burned. One thing is for sure though, the next nine months without Galactica are going ot be painful.
March 16, 2007, 5:45 p.m. CST
Curse my lack of will-power. If there are spoilers, I HAVE TO READ THEM. Normally, it doesn't bother me. Hell, I'd love to find some spoilers on Lost so I can figure out what the fuck is going on without having to waste ten hours of my life watching the rest of that shitty show. I digress. This is the second time I have ever regretted reading spoilers. The only other time I've regretted it was also for BSG. It was when Herc posted the spoilers for the season one finale and revealed that Adama was going to get shot. I was so pissed about reading that. *sigh*
March 16, 2007, 6:01 p.m. CST
Someone is going to change, re-edit, the last two episodes and this was all just an effort to plug leaks within the rumor mill
March 16, 2007, 6:07 p.m. CST
by Red Ned Lynch
...I shouldn't have read that.
March 16, 2007, 6:09 p.m. CST
Bob Dylan is a frakkin' CYLON!?!?!?!?
March 16, 2007, 6:29 p.m. CST
Bringing Starbuck back is a HUGE mistake.
March 16, 2007, 6:50 p.m. CST
Can not freaking wait. I'm not going to read the spoilers..... until 5 min from now.
March 16, 2007, 6:51 p.m. CST
my mouse hand has a mind of its own! (read into that what you will)
March 16, 2007, 6:51 p.m. CST
March 16, 2007, 6:54 p.m. CST
From everything Sci Fi already said.
March 16, 2007, 6:57 p.m. CST
This seasons ending,,Romes ending,..sucks. Got any news on The Shield? Whens that comin back?
March 16, 2007, 7:07 p.m. CST
Now, I don't actually know if they are truly the "four." That seems not to be truly told. I just don't think they are. However I do believe that they are connected. I do believe that the true four cylons are those that are the most important to the four people that are believed to be the final four. It would be just too easy for the audience if these four were it. Just think about it. I think they (the writers) are just giving a red herring. My personal opinion.
March 16, 2007, 7:10 p.m. CST
March 16, 2007, 7:14 p.m. CST
just like lucy has done to charlie brown, herc you have just pulled my football away. DANG YOU< DANG YOU ALL TO HECK!!!
March 16, 2007, 7:22 p.m. CST
None of this makes any sense. Too many loose ends are tied up. I find this a big disappointment. In all the chaos of the attack on Caprica how could all of these Cylons end up in the same place by pure luck? And why would they understand the lyrics to a song in English when they've been seperated from the 13th colony for (what was it, a thousand) years? And they don't care that they're Cylons? So it means nothing? And I thought we were told that "...and ONE's a Cylon." And Starbuck's back but with no explanation as to what was going on in her head with Not-Loeben before her viper blew up - a viper that's now miraculously put back together. And what, Roslin's cancer is back so she can conveniently be the dying leader again? This doesn't answer any questions, it just throws out everything we know. I think this is nothing but somebody's fan fiction that was just well written enough to get people worked up. I have more trust in the writers than to put this crap out. This show is like a soufle and the writers are chefs. They're not gonna throw it in the microwave for the last few minutes after they've been working on it all day. I think they're more likely to give us one good revelation to chew on for the next nine months, not blow their load all in one episode. I wouldn't expect to hear what happened to Starbuck until the end of next season. Oh, and Roslin's the Cylon. That'll shake things up.
March 16, 2007, 7:48 p.m. CST
thats all i'm saying. that and not only is bob dylan a cylon, he's one of the final 5. fracking old enough to be one anyways
March 16, 2007, 7:55 p.m. CST
by Optimus Murphy
March 16, 2007, 7:58 p.m. CST
Of all songs to choose, they choose some drug song? Why not something more profound? Unless Starbuck comes back from an Earth circa NOW?
March 16, 2007, 8:03 p.m. CST
The "four" are not actually what they have concluded they are. I can see all of them being cylons EXCEPT for the eldest, who makes no sense due to his age and established history. The Dylan song might not make sense to them; meaning it may sound like Gibberish in their heads while the audience will recognize it; still, it indicates that the fleet will arrive on Earth at any time after 1967 into the far future. As for the return of the dead character, I assume this character is a cylon, and that this character's ship could have easily been made by the cylons. In the alternative, Lee might be the one who dreamed up this character's death. If true, that may cast doubt on his heritage since everyone seems to be up for grabs given the cylon revelations.
March 16, 2007, 8:06 p.m. CST
who shot J.R.
March 16, 2007, 8:10 p.m. CST
by Professor Krapp
But I've lost faith. I'll give 'em a chance.
March 16, 2007, 8:22 p.m. CST
Oh, he is not? Damn.
March 16, 2007, 8:26 p.m. CST
Everyone is taking the song choice too literally like it must mean that present time on Earth is post-1967, etc. The song choice may be deliberate for its MEANING and nothing else.
March 16, 2007, 8:30 p.m. CST
by Professor Krapp
for some decent spoilers finally. The more I think about, the more stupid it all starts to sound, however.
March 16, 2007, 8:33 p.m. CST
by Professor Krapp
Fucking Science Fiction shows don't know how to fucking kill off a character. That old device gets really fucking tired really fucking quickly.
March 16, 2007, 8:46 p.m. CST
....then Moore's entire podcast for 'Maelstrom' was nothing but 40+ minutes of lies.
March 16, 2007, 9:17 p.m. CST
But i've been having a problem with this show since they found the cylon virus. What I don't understand is why didn't they release the virus into the human population to flush out the remaining hidden cylons? It would be a great way to get rid of any remaining models. Also, about the song, maybe it's a placeholder until the show's composer is finished with the real music.
March 16, 2007, 9:18 p.m. CST
I'm not one to worry about spoilers one way or the other but I understand that a lot of people care about that so I won't mention details. I just felt like most of those spoilers are what I'd consider to be really stupid things that I'd never have wanted to see happen. I think they stretch the credibility of the story beyond my ability to accept the show. If they're accurate I'll more than likely be done with BSG. It's just not doing it for me anymore. The Mini was brilliant and the first season was pretty damn good. After that it has seemed to drift away from what I wanted to see the show become. It's not necessarily a bad thing (a lot of you seem really pleased with the direction it's gone in) but I don't see any reason to continue watching it.
March 16, 2007, 9:44 p.m. CST
by Prof. Pop-Cult
As I said, but it may bear worth repeating: I think the revelation of who is a Final Five Cylon may in fact be a huge red herring. And as for Starbuck's return: I haven't seen the episodes myself, but it appears that Lee is the one who sees Kara and her Viper. That could be the final scene in the finale. So what does that mean? Maybe Starbuck is actually In-Head Starbuck now to Lee. This would raise several possibilities for next season: Is it really Starbuck? Is Lee crazy? Is he a Cylon? Is Starbuck a Cylon? Will In-Head Starbuck tell Lee not to tell anybody else that he can see her now?
March 16, 2007, 9:44 p.m. CST
"The song choice may be deliberate for its MEANING and nothing else." If, as indicated, the four are *hearing* the song and the song is not just background music, then how could it NOT mean that they are in a post-'67 world? This is fairly simple logic.
March 16, 2007, 9:48 p.m. CST
Um, they all speak modern American English. Which proves absolutely nothing. It's called "suspension of disbelief."
March 16, 2007, 9:53 p.m. CST
I think y'all forgot that Moore wanted to end season 1 with Baltar hearing a Jimi Hendrix song (and Dirk Benedict saying "Hi, I'm God."<br> <br> Really, I'm not making this up.<br> <br> I don't think a Dylan song has anything to do with what time period it is - I just think Moore has wanted to involve a cool song at some point in the show.
March 16, 2007, 10:06 p.m. CST
by Rogue Planet
That's my call, and I'm sticking to it. At least half of this has gotta be screwy. Kara coming back I can buy, but the deal with "Watchtower" and the music and stuff...nah. That's just weird. Well, whatever...I'll watch it anyway.
March 16, 2007, 10:07 p.m. CST
***spoilers*** i've read a full detailed synopsis of the episode, not only are the characters SPECIFICALLY hearing "all along the watchtower", the indaviduals who are hearing it frequently quote the song throughout the episode: "so much confusion" "there must be some kind of way out of here" etc. they really are hearing the song and understanding the words.
March 16, 2007, 10:41 p.m. CST
"Um, they all speak modern American English. Which proves absolutely nothing. It's called 'suspension of disbelief.'" What's does this have to do with my point about the time period being post 67?
March 16, 2007, 10:45 p.m. CST
Six is really a Cylon! And so is Eight! And Five too, but I'm not completely convinced about Three.
March 16, 2007, 10:58 p.m. CST
March 16, 2007, 11:09 p.m. CST
by jimmy rabbitte
...huh... I guess we're lucky this isn't 1985 or they'd be using Stairway to Heaven instead...
March 16, 2007, 11:12 p.m. CST
Remember how in the last season of the original BG series, they picked up a TV signal of "The eagle has landed" right after Apollo left the room? So maybe the four are picking up radio signals in their dental fillings.
March 16, 2007, 11:13 p.m. CST
by jimmy rabbitte
just like Gilligan did...
March 16, 2007, 11:16 p.m. CST
**spoilers** it may have been mention already, and i'm sure its already known amongst most people here... but if we ever get an approximate distance from galactica to earth based on the speed of light and the year "all along the watchtower" was aired. i love this choice of story twist! I FUCKING LOVE IT
March 16, 2007, 11:19 p.m. CST
they'd probably be hearing "Heartbeat" by Don Johnson. Imagine Tyrol walking down a corridor, then suddenly he has the urge to start snapping his fingers, and singing "I'm looking for a heaaaaaaaaart beeeeeeeeeat!" TV magic, right there, folks...
March 16, 2007, 11:21 p.m. CST
by jimmy rabbitte
how about Black Cars (look better in the shade)... It could be Baltar's new theme song...
March 16, 2007, 11:24 p.m. CST
singing "Sunglasses at Night" by Corey Hart.
March 16, 2007, 11:29 p.m. CST
by jimmy rabbitte
(last one because I really need to stop thinking about tunes from '85) <p> Baltar could juke to (she's an) Easy Lover when he's drifting off into thought about Six...
March 16, 2007, 11:30 p.m. CST
im dying to look around in here, but im terrified that spoilers, even in the TB headers, will ruin the last episode for me!
March 16, 2007, 11:36 p.m. CST
They arent cylons that would be FAR too obvious. They are simply being linked for other reasons. I mean if blank gets linked to the opera sequence that we saw back on Kobol then blank would also be a cylon. There is another dynamic at work. Kara's dreams also would give as much credence to her being a toaster but now we have too many cylon models. Me suspects some spiritual angle not fully developped yet. Too many people having too many dreams\schizophrenic fantasies its not defacto a cylon identifier. I can see this spiritual angle giving humans some advantage they havent yet had and cant fathom getting otherwise. Yes its scifi and shit can get written up on a dime like they find an advanced earth and\or some uber teck to ward off the cylons in the future but wouldnt that also be too damn obvious? In this universe the cylons are swarming like locusts and we really need some original idea to placate, pacify, reconcile with or wipe them out.
March 17, 2007, 12:28 a.m. CST
Or they could be something else. If the GODS created a virus to kill the Cylons. They could have figured out some other way with these four people to stop them as well. Plus; I'd rather those four not be Cylons. It would be a bit odd. Nevertheless, Kara has returned, and hopefully she is only in Lee's mind.
March 17, 2007, 12:36 a.m. CST
...and there are actually only 12 human models. Maybe everyone else is Cylons?
March 17, 2007, 12:44 a.m. CST
Herc forgot to mention that is Dirk Benedict smoking a stoggie starbuck not the bitch I cant act starbuck.
March 17, 2007, 12:46 a.m. CST
Then they all land on Galactica beginning of season 4 and Lee and Starbuck share a man kiss.
March 17, 2007, 12:54 a.m. CST
by uss cygnus
Get Doctor Zee and Dirk Benedict warmed up in the bullpen. It's all over but the whining.
March 17, 2007, 12:59 a.m. CST
by uss cygnus
Oh, please. The next thing you know, people will start hearing "All Along The Watchtower" and discover they're actually Cylons. Or, that Jack Bauer is actually the Imperious Leader, and Nina is Lucifer.
March 17, 2007, 1:24 a.m. CST
does this mean he'll be the new starbuck? also, in an interview a while back, i dont recall which of the two producers said that the revalation of the new cylons would make us question the very nature of cylons and what exactly makes a cylon a cylon. so this would make sense. quit bitching and moaning, this sounds amazing. if you dont like it, go write your own show.
March 17, 2007, 1:26 a.m. CST
March 17, 2007, 1:46 a.m. CST
Gods, everyone and his retarded uncle is a Cylon these days. Are we sure there are any humans left at all? Or just a whole bunch of cylons who think they're human?
March 17, 2007, 2:44 a.m. CST
I can't brng myself to read it...
March 17, 2007, 2:47 a.m. CST
I FRIGGIN' KNEW it WAS A LIE!!! TIME TRIPPN' WORMHOLES AWAY!!!!!
March 17, 2007, 1:52 a.m. CST
Seems pretty obvious to me...<br> <br> So I don't buy this final four/final five bullshit. The whole point of the final five is that they have been BOXED. NONE of the other characters can be Cylons because ALL of the other Cylon models are sitting around IN PACKING CRATES!!<br> <br> I think Xena apologising to someone at the Temple of Five was a red herring - remember in the Colonial mythos those people aren't supposed to be Cylons and the Temple is "a pretty important part" of their beliefs.<br> <br> ...and they BOXED her right after (so technically it's the final SIX now) because she's got a few screws loose and she frakked it up for her whole line - oh and they're not allowed to talk about her EVER AGAIN!<br> <br> Sounds to me like they're resurrecting the Ship of Lights. That also explains Starbuck (DEAD MY ASS!) coz remember what happened to Starbuck in TOS and we all know Ron Moore like to.. err... "pay homage" to TOS whenever possible so I think that's what's going on here - it's got nothing to do with Cylons and everything to do with the "third faction" somebody alluded to before.<br> <br> Ship-o-lights also goes a long way to explaining the "new direction" they keep promising coz, you know, that's what they do every season, donchaknow?<br> <br> The only thing missing is the part where Dirk Benedict appears in Roslin's dream and tells her he's God...
March 17, 2007, 3:53 a.m. CST
Still, I find it hard to believe that many cylons are on board the Galactica. Getting tired of the "I think I am a cyclon or maybe not" routine. Those are way too many spoilers for one episode. Also, I hope they don't continue to bring dead people back. Seems to be happening a lot in sci-fi. I had hoped that BSG would not go that direction but the way things are pointing it looks like it will happen. Only two episodes left before the internet bithing begins.
March 17, 2007, 4:27 a.m. CST
Wow... just... wow.
March 17, 2007, 5:31 a.m. CST
*SPOILER* Baltar's the fifth, only instead of "Watchtower" he hears Bowie's "Starman", and Gaeta is head of Gaius's cult cuz he always stood by his man.
March 17, 2007, 6:21 a.m. CST
Frak, why did I read it? Ugh. Well, a few things: We all knew Starbuck was not dead. We all knew Baltar would be found not guilty. I knew that Adama would end up being the one who wouldn't convict. So I didn't really spoil myself on those. Now, as for the cylons, those rat bastard producers are merely trying to tie in the "final four" of Tigh, Tyrol, Anders, and that chick with the NCAA final four. Anywho, I have mixed feelings about this. I can see the show doing it since none of those characters are main, core characters (even though Tyrol is close). However, here's what I don't get... So the cylons don't know that Tigh, et all, are cylons? Doubt they would have been eye-plucking him if they had. Bet they would have also been going after the Tyrol baby. Besides, the spoiler says that those four are horrified to "come to the conclusion" that they have been cylons all along. Well just because they came to that conclusion doesn't mean they really are. Doesn't it seem more cylon like for Rosilin, Sharon, and Six to all be having the same dream at the same time? I dunno, it's just hard for me to buy this final four angle.
March 17, 2007, 7:22 a.m. CST
I wont read it.
March 17, 2007, 7:35 a.m. CST
Wait a minute this is the wrong show. damn sure sounded the same.
March 17, 2007, 8:38 a.m. CST
Bear McCready re-recorded All Along The Watchtower for the show, it's not like the characters are hearing the original Bob Dylan version or the Jimi Hendrix version, etc. In a show where we have characters wearing modern day business attire, they drive around in humvees, etc. the song choice is based on the meaning of the song. Look it up for yourself: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All_Along_The_Watchtower
March 17, 2007, 8:54 a.m. CST
Maniaq said, "I think Xena apologising to someone at the Temple of Five was a red herring". I don't think so at all. I think everything points to Roslin being the Cylon instead of the other four, and Xena apologizes to the vision of Roslin's model. Like I said before, I don't think this is the real episode but something some fan made up (now that's a red herring for ya). What do we know about the president's past? Nothing except she was a teacher and a low level government official. She's never mentioned a family and only has one picture in her office (of Billy). Her cancer was cured by a Cylon half-baby. She's deeply religious like the Cylons are. I think that she's one of the final five and is afraid tht if she's found out that she'll be boxed too. So she's taken up with the remaining humans to stay as far away as possible from the Cylons. She's taken charge because she knows how they think and can evaid them. She may even be using sex (or sex appeal) to manipulate Adama just as Six manipulated Baltar to help attack Caprica. Everytime she sees a Cylon she immediately wants them thrown out an airlock because they might figure her out. And she's afraid of Baltar too, not because he's a Cylon, but because he's smart enough to figure it out too, which he will in the trial. That's why she didn't want to stay at New Caprica - she knew the Cylons would find them, so she left office and went back to being a teacher as to stay below the DRADIS when they did show up. So now she's rushing this trial for Baltar to get him dead as soon as possible and will accept the human loss just to save her identity. Or maybe I'm wrong and it'll be the pointless crap in the version we've been handed here.
March 17, 2007, 8:55 a.m. CST
Clothing is different from a VERY SPECIFIC song. Since the colonies had the same point of origin, I would not be so surprised to find that clothing styles were near duplicates; I can suspend disbelief over something so trivial... but the Dylan song has no other purpose than to connect the characters with something that comes DIRECTLY from Earth. It's not something that was essential to human life that the audience was bound to accept as a crossover like clothing, food, transportation, etc. All these things have purpose that would otherwise make it very difficult to connect with the story. A Bob Dylan song has no such excuse; it is there to connect the show to Earth. Clearly, the characters are looking for Earth, the song is specific to Earth UNLIKE clothing, food and transportation, thus Galactica should arrive on Earth post-67 barring some time-displacement issues.
March 17, 2007, 7:55 a.m. CST
It's like R.Moore had a lottery to see which 5 characters were going to be the secret cylons. Like he was putting his hand in a god damn hat drawing numbers. Meh. MEH! MEHHHHHHHHHHHH!
March 17, 2007, 9:04 a.m. CST
Jambiloo, I doubt the spoilers are fake. I always thought Tyrol and Anders were Cylons, but I never guessed the eldest member of the "four" would be a cylon. My guesses from looking at the picture in the eye of Jupiter were Anders, Cally, Starbuck, Tyrol and an unknown Male. Obviously, only one of either Cally or Tyrol could be a Cylon, but that is who they Final Five resembled IMO. I hear that the Five shown in robes were mere stand-ins, though. My final guess is Anders, Roslin, Starbuck, Tyrol, and a new character.
March 17, 2007, 9:34 a.m. CST
in-head starbuck.... now THATS a twist! it actually makes sense if you apply starbuck to the hybrid theory :)
March 17, 2007, 9:34 a.m. CST
Tai Pan, well we shall see. :) Maybe these spoilers are real, but it just reads like every fanboy's fantasy to me. You want one cylon? We'll give you four. And not just any four, but four that people have been thinking it would be cool if they were Cylons since the season began. You want Cylons attacking and explosions and dogfights? Here ya go. Miss Starbuck do ya? Here she is. Wonder when they're gonna find Earth? Got that for you too. I think they've spent far too much time in character and plot development to just give in to what everyone wants to happen.
March 17, 2007, 8:48 a.m. CST
According to these spoilers, half the damn cast is a cylon. And it just doesn't make any sense. Anders and the Colonel have done so much damage to the cylons...and now, bam, everyone and their brother is a cylon. This is EXACTLY the problem with 24. If this is all true, then they are definitely making it up as they go along.
March 17, 2007, 10:12 a.m. CST
BECAME A CYLON!?!?!?!.. Damn invisotext... First Xena, now Hercules! Gods almighties!<P>And Adama being a woman all this time! (And an ugly one at that) is incredible!<P>Stay away from the invisotext if y'a don't want to learn that Lee is about to discover that he got herpies from Kara, that got it from .. well.. she went with so many of them that we don't know who, but Lee will give it to Sixth and she'll bring it back to the Mothership and iffect the rest of the Cylons!<P>oh.. oups .. did I give that away just now.. Oh .. Not published yet, so all I have to do is not push this "post comment" button and all will be fine...
March 17, 2007, 10:13 a.m. CST
I pushed the "post comment" button... BUT IT'S SO SHINNY! I COULDN'T RESIST!! LIKE A CYLON THAT SEES A 4 SLOT TOATER FOR THE FIRST TIME!! I HAD TO PUSH IT!!!
March 17, 2007, 10:20 a.m. CST
Seems that Battlestar isn't the only show to feature Bob Dylan. “Cold Case,” 8 p.m. Sunday, WBBM-Ch. 2 What do Bob Dylan and “Battlestar Galactica” have in common? “Cold Case,” that’s what. Jamie Bamber, better known as Lee “Apollo” Adama on “Battlestar,” guest stars on this satisfying CBS drama as part of a group of former student radicals. Bamber’s character ended up dead in the ’80s in what had been classified as a gas explosion, but the "Cold Case" squad learns the blast was actually the result of a bomb. The story of how and why these former activists fell out of friendship with each other is intriguing, and eight Dylan songs form the soundtrack to the haunting episode.
March 17, 2007, 10:23 a.m. CST
... of the final five picture from the show. They also posted who would be under the cloaks but it's their guess not actual series spoiler... <P> Ok, tiny links is unavailable right now so copy, paste and remove any spaces between the following characters:<P>http://www.flickr.com/photo_zoom.gne?id=413451095&size=l
March 17, 2007, 9:41 a.m. CST
Galactica 1980, where Adama leads the Space Scouts on thrilling adventures.
March 17, 2007, 10:56 a.m. CST
NOT GOING TO LOOK! *hyperventilates* NOOOOOOO! Spoiler monkeys should be shot from a cannon into Iran!
March 17, 2007, 11:15 a.m. CST
Seriously, does this make any sense from a story perspective? So half the cast are Cylons even though the existing Cylons barely get any story exposure unless they're of the sexy female variety. Of the new secret Cylons, some are the Cylons greatest enemies. Oh - and unless Cally is a Cylon there is another hybrid baby. And Gaius is now a Christ figure. And Starbuck is a Cylon Ghost from 1967 Earth. And Tigh gets a new Cylon eye, fresh grown. DOES THIS SOUND STUPID TO ANYONE ELSE? Seriously, WTF - is this how I really spend my Sunday? THink I'll go read a book...something with a coherent story and twists that have reasons and motivations beyond just trying to shock you. Damn - first LOST and now BSG - oh well...
March 17, 2007, 11 a.m. CST
I've never found spoilers to ruin the enjoyment of good books or good films or good TV. I like to anticipate the upcoming moment -- to watch the details of how the outline becomes the narrative. If I know what "Rosebud" is, I like the movie even more. ----- Just speaking for me, not anyone else. Thank you for the cool head's up on the next two episodes. Lots to watch and savor.
March 17, 2007, 11:14 a.m. CST
it says to Galactica stop being a big fat copycat..and Odo says hi.
March 17, 2007, 12:28 p.m. CST
All the song shows is that this is taking place post-1960s. For all we know, they could be 10,000 light years from Earth and got the radio broadcast 10,000 years after the fact.
March 17, 2007, 12:52 p.m. CST
Can't wait to see it!
March 17, 2007, 2:03 p.m. CST
by Rapmaster C
Jumping the shark is when the show goes downhill from a certain point. But until we see the first few episodes of season 4, we have no idea whether this episode was indeed a JTS moment for the show. Everyone said that BSG jumped the shark with "Lay down your Burdens Part 2", and yet those same people loved the occupation arc. Let's not resort to the tired phrase until we see the aftermath of this cliffhanger. And I'm not sure I agree with the DS9 comparison, at least in this scenario. Assuming some of these characters are actually Cylons, the resulting drama will no doubt be a major focus of the show, whereas Odo turned to the dark side in "Behind the Lines" and yet was back to his old self two episodes later. There was no self-reflection or remorse regarding his inaction during the sabotage plot with Rom; inaction that almost doomed the entire Alpha Quadrant. With BSG, I'm confident that whichever characters are Cylons (I think one or two of them may be, but the others are a red herring) will be put through the wringer, as only BSG can.
March 17, 2007, 2:30 p.m. CST
The Kevin Smith cameo will kick ass.
March 17, 2007, 2:36 p.m. CST
He fought them in the first cylon war, after their creation.
March 17, 2007, 2:59 p.m. CST
I must say, the Cylon reveal sounds cheesy in the extreme. The only spoiler omitted from the ones circulating last week was the one involving Kara, and we all knew she would come back somehow. This doesn't seem too earth-shattering to me: we all knew Dee would leave Lee on some pretext or other (he has to have more sex with Kara) and we all knew Anders would have to be excised from Kara's life somehow (and now she won't want to be married to some frakkin' toaster and she has to have more sex with Lee). Everything is fairly predictable if one has been paying attention to the show's narrative.
March 17, 2007, 3:02 p.m. CST
March 17, 2007, 3:24 p.m. CST
by uss cygnus
1. Fake Death of Starbuck. 2. Everyone now is apparently a Cylon, which is like everyone is now capable of being a mole at CTU. It is cheap and ridiculous storytelling when you reveal that someone is a Cylon with NO previous evidence or hints that they were a Cylon, or could even possibly be considered to be a canidate for being a Cylon. Saul Tigh fought against the Cylons in the first war, after their creation. The technology to create him as a humanoid Cylon did not exist. Period. 3. Baltar is found innocent. It's patently absurd and ridiculously implausible. That would be like trying Osama Bin Laden and saying "there is a lack of hard evidence" that he is a terrorist. He should have been found guilty, but freed by his cult members in a prison barge or prisoner transfer break. Hell, have there be viper pilots and Galactica crewmembers who assist him. It's at least more plausible than finding the enabler of the greatest mass murder in human history walking free due to a "Lack of hard evidence". The New Caprica occupation was strikes one and two, now these Cylon "revelations" and Starbuck's fake death and resurrection are strike three. Get the Super Scouts on the flying motorcycles. It's over.
March 17, 2007, 3:37 p.m. CST
When Starbuck found earth she was greeted by Titus Pollo as he rode a giant eagle to the stars.<p> THIRTEEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
March 17, 2007, 4:36 p.m. CST
by Mr. Nice Gaius
I WILL NOT READ THE INVISOTEXT AND I WILL NOT READ THE TB UNTIL SUNDAY NIGHT.<P>Thanks for understanding.
March 17, 2007, 4:36 p.m. CST
Ok, really, what the spoiler concerning the ones who were revealled as "Cylons" reads is that they "...come to the conclusion that they’ve all always been Cylons!" .. Not that they actually are cylons... Remember that Baltar sees things and as far as we know right now, he isn't one of them. So it doesn't mean anything right now.<P>These spoilers are good, reeeeealllllll good, but they don't actually point anyone out, as being 100% a Cylon.<P>The only one I was wondering if he/she was a Cylon gets to have the same dreams as *someone* and *someone*. Now that would be a good Cylon to have.<P>We wonder who's next? Well we got some new questions now because of these spoilers, and I think it's fine.<P>One thing that's pretty cool that I'm hoping they don't kill within 5 episodes, is the new Pilot training besides Seelix, of course we could see this a mile away too, but I think it's fine like that. Way too much time out in space for not to have some new pilots. I'm just wondering if they're still producing new fighter ships like the Black one they did in the first or second season... Hum.. They're about to run out of ships by my count...<P>The whole trial thing, if you look at it, Baltar's defense will go straight to the fact that he had a gun pointed to his head that's a given. Which would make him "Not Guilty" for some, so could be the result of the verdit.<P>The whole music thing.. I can't see the explanation right now... Will have to tune in to make sure I don't miss this conclusion!.<P>Anyway those who will give in like me and read the spoilers, read them twice, sometimes the first read is not all clear and the second time around you read between the lines. Heck they might all be Cylons for all we know... Which would be .. well.. idiotic but I just hope that this trial thing does not take 2/3 of the show, ever since the freaking O.J. Simpson 24hrs a day 7 days a week trial I can't take listening to anything close to a court show or tv series.
March 17, 2007, 4:41 p.m. CST
by Negative Man
Bwahahahahaha!!! The Colonial military is the worst military ever!
March 17, 2007, 6:54 p.m. CST
He's on the record repeatedly that this final story arc will fundamentally change the direction and nature of the series. Of course, he could be lying out his @ss...but somehow I suspect that at least some of these "revelations" will stick. P.S. Galactica may not be running out of vipers since she inherited all of Pegasus' vipers as well (Lee left them behind when he mounted his rescue attack). P.P.S. Older charcters as cylons cannot be ruled out, since while they were born well before the Cylons had the capability to make humanoid models, the Cylons could easily have infiltrated an identical model, killing off the human original and replacing him/her - a sort of Cylon invasion of the body snatchers, a scenario that cannot be ruled out.
March 17, 2007, 7:47 p.m. CST
Are they making this up as they go along or is there an actual structure from beginning to end for this series? Has Moore and crew ever said either way?
March 17, 2007, 8:15 p.m. CST
First no one knows how long humaniform Cylons have been made. It could be a year it could be fifty. <p> Roslin I brought all that crap already. You also forgot she was the presidents mistress, which could have lead to a honey trap secnario where she also learned the codes. And she continually does what SHE thinks best and NOT is best for the fleet. She is the W of BSG universe. <p> We learned last week that Cylons feel TRUE love and TRUE betrayal. So when does a bot become human. We also saw, on Pegasus, humans acting non-human ( well human darkside). <p> Factually we have been dealing with illusion all along and assuming that Cylons are TOTALLY evil each and every one. Reality is we keep seeing HUMAN divergence from form. <p> Anyone recall the movie Angelheart? Think about how that may relate to BSG. <p> What about the similarities between Sauls wife and Adama's? They could have been sisters. <p> Oh and if there are "angels" that means there are other life forms in the universe. It doesn't matter if humans diverged from their line they are still as different as the Cylons are.
March 17, 2007, 8:17 p.m. CST
I have lost all interest in this show, and I use to salivate over it...The occupation of New Caprica was the turning point for me...it's all been downhill after that...Believe me, it gives me no pleasure to say this.
March 17, 2007, 8:35 p.m. CST
I can't watch a show where the whole point is that they are trying to get to Earth, but they will never make it there. That's like Lost where you know they aren't getting off the stupid island. But if do get to Earth, they could do a lot of cool storylines and maybe I'd start watching then.
March 17, 2007, 8:36 p.m. CST
I tend to believe that the characters who come to the conclusion they are Cylons aren't necessarily so, as stated by others on this talkback.
March 17, 2007, 8:50 p.m. CST
Ok, I'm not one of the uber-whiners that thinks it completely sucks, but S1 and S2 ruled. S3...did not. Here's the problem: The time jump ahead 1 year. The moment I saw it I went, Oh Hell, Alias all over again. That s**t just does not work in a show. And like many have said, rather than moving the story forward, the producers seem to have been working their way back to wherre they were pre-New Caprica/time shift. I really hope they right the ship in S4, but I don't see it happening. This is still a good show, but its no longer "The best show on television."
March 17, 2007, 8:53 p.m. CST
spoilers are for the next TWO episodes--stay away until after that, I guess. I should have.....
March 17, 2007, 9:04 p.m. CST
http://www.newsday.com/entertainment/tv/ny-etbatt5130997mar16,0,7981717.story?coll=ny-television-headlines Please note the Bob Dylan reference and the comment about people hearing things. Like it or not, its true kids, not just some fanboy fantasy.
March 17, 2007, 10:15 p.m. CST
by Son of Batman
They're probably not really Cylons, they just think or say they are. I can just hear Tigh sarcastically say "We must all be Cylons, then." And then he punches Tyrol's baby.
March 17, 2007, 11:13 p.m. CST
The first four episodes of S3 are awesome. The problem is that the episodes after that largely sucked and lacked narrative coherence and urgency. You can really tell where they're stitching together the work of different writers. Someone gets handed an assignment for one show, so they invent something stupid that contradicts previous material and is a digression from the main narrative - Bulldog, anyone? And there's been so much more of that kind of thing in S3 than in S2 or S1 that everyone gets the vague sense that the show isn't going anywhere and has no real plan.
March 17, 2007, 11:15 p.m. CST
Adama is on the tribunal, and you know the other captains will defer to him. And Baltar has to look Adama in the eye and say, "You ran. I thought we were alone on New Caprica. So I gave up." Just because jumping the fleet was what had to be done doesn't mean Adama doesn't feel guilty about it.
March 17, 2007, 11:20 p.m. CST
by all your base
No need to read, i already spoiled you!
March 18, 2007, 2:08 a.m. CST
C'mon, people, think outside the box here! We're not looking at four members of the Final Five (Cylons) gathering in a launch bay tube. The Dylan song (as odd a choice as it may be) is resonating for these specific individuals whom are descendents of the Kobollian "gods" whom are beckoning them "home." They're drawn to the Galactica's launch tubes as it's a symbolic place to leave the ship. And as the siren song has done it's work, who shows up on DRADIS but Kara "Starbuck" Thrace - another whom also carries the lineage of the Kobollian "gods." Think about it: The classic BSG "War of the Gods" episodes with the Ship of Lights is being respun here. Starbuck's "death" never happened. Look at the light in her cockpit during her final moments: Intense and radiant. Given the thick cloud cover and Lee Adama's own darkened cockpit (a surprising metaphor that he hasn't "seen or embraced the light"), there's NO WAY Starbuck's cockpit should have been that bright. It was bright before the ship endured aero-friction and collapse. That Cylon ship she was chasing was visible to her alone - it was a manifestation intended to get her positioned for delivery to these other beings. It is their intent to save the last vestiges of humanity. The evolution and salvation of both races depends upon their mutual survival and integration. The Cylons cannot evolve without human example. Humanity cannot survive with their self-destructive natures. These evolved beings (what were considered Kobollian "gods" and "goddesses") went on to Earth. Their stake in humanity is huge. They have endeavored to evolve humankind just as they did with the robotic Cylons over 50 years before. They are the influence that has brought both sides to battle, sought to manipulate their development and created an "Eden" (eg. Earth) to bring both races together. Both sides are motivated to find this place. What they don't realize is: Their fate is pre-destined, pre-designed by these beings. Call it eugenics: The intent is the forced evolution of humankind into "the next level", thanks to the inclusion of Cylon biology/technology. And maybe these Kobollian "gods" are remnants of the prior efforts of higher powers which sought to do the same. The same cycle repeating with different results, but ALWAYS the intent to change humanity's course towards something... different. What does millions of years bring in the evolution of humanity? Change. But what if higher powers wanted to advance the change faster? And this is an ongoing experiment which does just that. Similar circumstances, an irresistable need to repeat certain things to set the stage for renewing the experiment. These four Colonials are NOT Cylons. All have risen to the challenge of their unique destinies, all have come together on Galactica. Something within them, genetically or metaphysically (or psionically), has allowed them to hear the siren song. I believe they are distant offspring or genetic carriers of those ancient Kobollians "gods". Interestingly, none of these four Colonials have held mundane positions in life; they have managed to excel in working with others. And they will unknowingly work for the "higher powers" that may reveal themselves next season as the truth about the Colonial/Cylon karmic circle continues its never-ending cycle. Who are the Final Five Cylons? The "gods" themselves, one of whom may reside amongst the fleet, such as D'anna was able to recognize. The gods will have created an "Eve" or "Venus" in their own image... it's Six.
March 18, 2007, 3:42 a.m. CST
/highlights invisotext.... ....AAAAAAARRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHH!!! Great Maker, why, oh WHY did I just read that!!! OK, on a more serious note, there are some things that seem to be "off" somewhat and frankly there's nothing here that i havn't been getting in the past two weeks (there's a whole scene-by-scene synopsis of both two parts already online, which i for one am avoiding like hellfire) - so until I see it all myself, i'll avoid any further commentary, as it's too soon to pass any proper judgement in my humble opinion. That, plus who knows - I get the feeling there might be a twist in the final aired second parter that we don't really know of and I wouldn't put it past them to do something like that, however slim it might be...
March 18, 2007, 8:26 a.m. CST
Lay off the Crystal Meth. Ha, ha. Just kidding, though your passionate theory was amusing. I don't think that the kight in Starbuck's cockpit is enough evidence to say she was being taken by the Ship of Lights. That may be the case, but even so, the evidence is inconclusive as death is often tied to white light. I rather enjoy the theory that the 12 Cylons are the clones/reincarnations of the Lords of Kobol, in contrast to your theory.
March 18, 2007, 10:17 a.m. CST
Is Starbuck's uniform and viper all white like in the original series when they were working or part of the ship of lights?
March 18, 2007, 10:31 a.m. CST
Or maybe one of the cylons, before they were discovered (just pick one) planted a device on the ship that would send these dreams into the minds of those people to make them believe they were cylons. You know just to fuck with them and the folks watching at home. BG's tech is so bad they couldn't detect an AM radio if they had too.
March 18, 2007, 10:45 a.m. CST
Ellen Tigh? What did I miss? Also, Earth will already be colonized by the cylons once BSG reaches Earth.
March 18, 2007, 11:09 a.m. CST
Let's be honest. RDM is a magnificent bastard. Is there any possibility that he may have pulled a "Dark Angel" on viewers and released something that was a little off-kilter as opposed to what really is going to happen? That would certainly help explain why this information is out there in such detail and all over the friggin' place. Just a thought. I don't personally have any objections to these spoilers as long as they're explained enough to make some sense, and historically I think the BSG folks have been pretty good with explaining shit.
March 18, 2007, 11:35 a.m. CST
Yes, they have become veritable masters of explaining, um, shit.
March 18, 2007, 11:58 a.m. CST
having read the inviso text... Dualla leaves lee over his defense of baltar? him, shagging starbuck wasnt enough of a reason? lee quits the milatary and comes back. lee disobeys orders and comes back.. jeez what kind of military is this? bob dylan overrated,its qa red herring. they've mistakenly come to the conclusion that they're cylons. starbuck back? wtf?
March 18, 2007, 2:13 p.m. CST
and we dont have a talkback for Rome, even though there's only 2 episodes left. But we get talkbacks for this and crap like SNL, which hasn't been consistently funny since the early 80's. Brilliant.
March 18, 2007, 2:38 p.m. CST
March 18, 2007, 3:26 p.m. CST
I'm busy right now.
March 18, 2007, 3:52 p.m. CST
Chest_Rockwell:<p> As you finish with mrfan's mom make sure you scream THIRTEEN!!!!<p> Give it to her for the Senate and People of Rome
March 18, 2007, 3:53 p.m. CST
That was so wrong ... wrong of me.
March 18, 2007, 3:55 p.m. CST
All the spoilers are true, and we are also led to believe that Rosyln is the 5th Cylon. It is a great episode... try watching it before making an opinion. And for those saying there were no signs of any of these characters being cylons? What about Season 2 when Tyrol beat the hell out of Callie for no reason and went to see Dean Stockwell where he kept repeating "I think I'm a Cylon"?
March 18, 2007, 4:58 p.m. CST
...as in, it doesn't make any sense looking back through the series. Tigh being a Cylon...just doesn't make sense. He was alive during the first Cylon war. And Adama is there to prove it.
March 18, 2007, 5:31 p.m. CST
It's Sylar. Sylar...Cylon; they almost rhyme, therefore, mystery solved. ;)
March 18, 2007, 5:32 p.m. CST
March 18, 2007, 6:16 p.m. CST
Seiously though, I'm so glad we had the big pity party last week for Starstruck. Boo Hoo Boo Hoo. Oh, it's so very tragic and sad. Only to have her arise from the dead the very next week! When viewers are toyed with like that and each story sees if it can be more silly and outrageous than the last, it's just another sign there is no direction on this series and it's very, very near the end. Why not go out with a bang next year guys, find Earth and with their help, do some serious cylon cleansing. Like THAT'S ever gonna happen with these writers. More likely some do-gooder sells out Earth for some jelly beans. Colonials have to be the stupidist residents of the galaxy.
March 18, 2007, 7:51 p.m. CST
Didn't they start checking for cylons among the fleet and started with the military crew first? What happened with that? I can admit I am finding myself getting a little restless with the writing. It just seems to be repetitive. Whenever you need an instant plot twist then have someone be a cylon. Surely there can be some other new plot developments. Things like this make me understand why season four is only going to be thirteen episodes.
March 18, 2007, 8:21 p.m. CST
Last week, Pullo bit the tongue out of some guy's mouth and spit it back at him. This week, it is revealed that he's been keeping that guy alive in a cage in his bar for several years and feeding him table scraps to keep him alive. This is because Pullo is the baddest motherfucker ever. And Octavian's niece is now several years old, and Vorenus' kids still refuse to age.
March 18, 2007, 8:32 p.m. CST
Uh, no. :)
March 18, 2007, 8:33 p.m. CST
Just like in Hitchhikers' Guide to the Galaxy. That's the ticket!
March 18, 2007, 8:43 p.m. CST
people call this series predictable. If you think this show is predictable, then you are full of shit or you haven't bothered to look back on all the twists you never saw coming. The season has sagged in the middle, but it is still top notch... I hate DS9, Firefly and Stargate, and pretty much every sci-fi series that the last decade or so has produced because most of that stuff is utter shit, but this series is amazing as a hybrid social study thriller masquerading as Sci-fi.
March 18, 2007, 9:03 p.m. CST
TPTB should have stretched out the Octavian vs. Marc Antony conflict for a full third season. It would have been awesome and there is more than enough historical material to do so.
March 18, 2007, 9:23 p.m. CST
Seriously strong scene between 6 and Tigh.
March 18, 2007, 9:31 p.m. CST
On the 1st season cliffhanger commentary, Moore said they threw around the idea of playing Hendrix's "Purple Haze" at the end. So it seems a short leap from a Hendrix song to a song that Hendrix covered.<br><br>I'm seriously not buying Tigh's a cylon since he fought the original cylons. <br><br>I'm also getting sick of all this democracy stuff. The scene when the lawyer points out how few humans are in existence really makes it laughable to believe that they wouldn't put every man, woman, and child into the army. I know that the show likes to use the situation as a metaphor and to talk about social issues and stuff. However, the situation is just too dire to be playing around trials and strikes and crap.
March 18, 2007, 9:49 p.m. CST
is the best thing on tv.
March 18, 2007, 9:53 p.m. CST
to have every "man, woman, and child" in the military when its a fight with spaceships that require specialized knowledge to operate?
March 18, 2007, 10:01 p.m. CST
I dunno, that weird buzz Tigh kept hearing was awfully Centurion-like. I'm officially excited about Galactica again. Hope the finale doesn't disappoint me. More importantly, I hope S4 doesn't.
March 18, 2007, 10:03 p.m. CST
Potential Spoilers -- I have not read the inviso text or the talkbacks... Just guessing from Pt1 and the Pt2 promo... <p>...</p> <p>...</p> <p>...</p> <p>...</p> <p>My guess: Seelix, Anders and Tory are Cylons?</p> <p>...</p> <p>...</p> <p>...</p> <p>...</p> <p>...</p>
March 18, 2007, 10:05 p.m. CST
Why are people complaining about things like Galactica having a bar, about having democracy, a trial, a strike, etc. Anyone who knows anything about human nature knows that people will develop this stuff even in the worst circumstances. Its just human nature to have petty squabbles, to want to have fun, to have justice. These people have been on those ships for a long time now. In real life this kind of stuff probably would have started happening long before now.
March 18, 2007, 10:07 p.m. CST
"to have every "man, woman, and child" in the military when its a fight with spaceships that require specialized knowledge to operate?" As we've seen in recent weeks they need people to work on ore refineries, and to fix the Galactica. That and the fact that they've had nearly two years to train people. The Pegasus conscripted civilians, but they haven't given any reason why the Galactica can't.
March 18, 2007, 10:08 p.m. CST
Now just think about who the other one hearing the music was, and a fourth that wasn't outted in this ep.
March 18, 2007, 10:11 p.m. CST
Jesus Christ, you think the Adama Family would have resolved it's issues by now. Bill gave Lee a whole frakking ship to play with, and what does he get in return season one petulance! <p> Just how many times has Lee fucked himself upwards now? Airlock Lee and get it over with before he becomes a Cylon out of sympathy.
March 18, 2007, 10:13 p.m. CST
Roslin is this seasons Cylon. Stupid to blow the revelation wad in a season cliffhanger when it can be stretched through the next 13 episodes.
March 18, 2007, 10:14 p.m. CST
Could it be that "we" means all the colonials? Moore has said that the definition of a cylon is going to change. Maybe the colonials are the descendants of artificial lifeforms created thousands of years ago that have since forgotten that they're not human.
March 18, 2007, 10:16 p.m. CST
Great show. Missed much. <p>Regenesis starts soon. <p>No Primeval talkback. Another great show.
March 18, 2007, 10:17 p.m. CST
be shown to be a red herring. These characters will think they are cylons until some point in season 4 and then Moore will pull the old switcheroo.
March 18, 2007, 10:21 p.m. CST
...theory of mine is the characters having a connection to the Lords of Kobol instead of being Cylons.
March 18, 2007, 10:21 p.m. CST
They pretty much resolved these issues when Lee proved himself to his dad and got his own ship, which he then sacrificed to save his dad and the whole fraking human race. He doesn't have anything left to prove to himself or the Admiral. yet they keep rehashing it, again and again. And to make it worse, they make Lee out to be a dufus, a pawn of the shady lawyer who came out of nowhere and is using the most obviously manipulative moves on him. Writers, please stop making Lee into an idiot and just let someone, anyone on this show be a good guy once in a while.
March 18, 2007, 10:26 p.m. CST
Ore refinery can, and apparently is, done by civillians. Part of the PROBLEM with Cain was that she was conscripting people against their will into the military. Previous episodes have already established that citizens with a piloting backgrounds are being trained, and as already pointed out, the Pegasus' fleet left the military with many trained pilots. It would likely be unnecessary to conscript pilots at this point, and no other military positions have been described as lacking personnel. Thus, there's no reason to complain about a lack of conscription when the show has not displayed a wealth of empty positions.
March 18, 2007, 10:31 p.m. CST
IMHO Lee is attempting to uphold constitutional order - or rather Articles of Colonization order because he knows it will inform the destiny of the human race. Lee wants to make sure that government responsible for the survival of humanity does not conduct a kangaroo court. Although he'll make mistakes along the way for sure - that appears to be his ultimate goal.<P>Just a thought.
March 18, 2007, 10:33 p.m. CST
Then this show makes ZERO sense. So, one of the "final five" is a sleeper agent playing in the top pyramid leagues while they wait for the cylon attack. At which point he leads a human resistance against the cylons on post-nuke Caprica, meets a Galactica crew member, who then leaves and promises she will come back, eventually does and takes him to Galactica. What possible kind of Cylon plan would have been enacted for any of that to make sense? If he knew he was a cylon it makes no sense. If the "final four" did not know they were cylons, then the chances of all four of them surviving the Cylon attacks on the colonies were so astronomical it makes no sense either. I call bollocks - Tigh et al will simply find they are specially attuned to picking up some "earthly" signals - being picked up by Galactica's hull by the look of the end of the episode.
March 18, 2007, 10:34 p.m. CST
I disagree with the criticism directed towards the father/son aspect. I rather like where they are going with it. Yes, they have done this once before when Lee decided to help Roslin, but this time seems even more serious with Adama calling Lee a liar and accepting Lee's resignation without a hint of regret.
March 18, 2007, 10:41 p.m. CST
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Alright, I've managed to avoid reading the inviso-text and the TB. However, the titles of some of your posts have been really tough to keep out of my peripheral.<P>Strong episode tonight...but it went by entirely too fast. It's hard to watch the growing schism between the Adamas. But it's interesting to see Apollo's 1st Season idealism come back with a vengeance. Makes me wonder if/how they will handle a reconciliation between father & son later on. (A Cylon attack is probably the most likely scenario.)<P>I'll say it again: Romo Lampkin is a fantastic addition to the show. He steals every scene he's in. I wish they would have introduced him earlier so that you could get a better sense of Baltar's planned defense. It may have helped to better focus the past few episodes as well.<P>Now, having not read the spoilers for next week's ep, I'll offer this - I don't believe Roslin is telling the truth. I believe she's got her own motivations regarding the extract and her cancer (not the least of which is her desire for a guilty verdict in Baltar's trial = she may have outfoxed Apollo on that note). Also, it looks like they are getting ready to reveal Tigh, Anders, and Tory as Cylons. At this stage in the season (and the show), I have to say that it feels a little contrived. Revealing multiple characters as Cylons? Especially Tigh?! For me, Tigh remains one of the best written and most compelling characters on the show. After everything we've seen him go through, having him turn out to be a dormant Cylon just doesn't feel right. But I must say, if ever there was a reason for him to get rid of that eye-patch, I'd say Cylon Resurrection was his best bet.<P>Also, where the hell is Tom Zarek during all this? I feel like his character would have definitely stepped forward at this point.<P>Looking forward to next week. I hope there are some surprises within surprises. So say we all.
March 18, 2007, 10:42 p.m. CST
Loved the mini, enjoyed season one a great deal, started to get worried in season two. This crap is just bad and there's no real way around it.
March 18, 2007, 10:45 p.m. CST
Hey Hervoyel, you can go back to watching Deal or No Deal. We won't miss you.
March 18, 2007, 10:46 p.m. CST
That's right. This IS a ratcheting up of what Lee did before when did what he knew to be right in helping Roslin.<P>Nice catch.
March 18, 2007, 10:46 p.m. CST
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Just to clarify, when the ad for next week has Anders say, "We're Cylons", I don't think it's going to be that simple. While they may be trying to make it look like their Cylons, I have a suspicion that something else may be afoot. And the sound they're beginning to hear may have something to do with the Fleet getting closer to their destination = Nebula + Earth. Just a thought.
March 18, 2007, 10:49 p.m. CST
I don't wnant to spoil anything, but what if the final five actually played a key role in Galactica and the rest of the human race surviving and going to planet earth. Considering who they are, there is a solid argument that they could have been instrumental in the earth escape. Maybe they are unknown by the rest of the cylons because they betrayed the cylons and sided with the humans.
March 18, 2007, 10:49 p.m. CST
It isn't about the law for Lee it's that whole Oedipal thing. Look it this way he has a crush on his dead brothers betrothed. He undermines his father ever chance he gets. <p> The boy has some deep, deep issues going on. Maybe he can't live up to the dream, maybe it is about abandonment. <p> But he still chooses to covet things he will never receive, and he KNOWS it. Things like a big Bill Adama everything is alright son daddy loves you hug. Or a big everything is alright Kara knows you have balls as big as daddy and bro hug. Or even to play on the inside with Bill Laura and Tighe. <p> And to be honest Bill probably loves Starbuck MORE than Lee. Bill knows through experience how "sharper than a serpents tooth is a thankless child".
March 18, 2007, 10:51 p.m. CST
by Mr. Nice Gaius
...a thousand deaths are not enough for you! :^)
March 18, 2007, 10:52 p.m. CST
Wow - hadn't thought about Roslin lying to hide another agenda. I wonder what her reason could be?<P>Feel the same way about the late reveal regarding so many Cylons in the crew/fleet, unless it's everybody as it has been said. Still, my hunch is a Lords of Kobol scenario.
March 18, 2007, 10:58 p.m. CST
If Roslin is a Cylon, she and NOT Baltar gave the Cylons the codes. Or more likely Baltar was the backup source while she was the primary honeypot. <p> She was the Monica Lewinsky of New caprica. <p> From the very beginning she has had her own agenda. <p> Just like the Cylons she was the ONLY one pushing to find Earth. It was a rabid drug induced fixation with her. A fixation so total and complete she nearly sparked a civil war. <p> A fixation that caused her to rig an election because she didn't want the fleet to settle down. Once again subverting the law and the will of the people. <p> How can you all be so blind to her agenda when ALL her previous acts total with the Cylon goals.
March 18, 2007, 10:59 p.m. CST
by Mr. Nice Gaius
Good to see you. And you may be onto something with the Lords of Kobol thing. But is this show ready for a "3rd Party"?
March 18, 2007, 11 p.m. CST
There are too many on that show.
March 18, 2007, 11:02 p.m. CST
Screeners went out to the media on these episodes about 4 weeks ago so the info in the invisotext is probably somewhat accurate. The screeners were not finished/didnt have final VFX and probably temp sound/music track as well. MAJOR POTENTIAL SPOILER * * * * * * * * * * * The Bob Dylan "All Along the Watchtower" song in the screener is probably a temp track.. I keep hearing rumors that the music that Tigh/Anders/et al are hearing is the actual theme song from the original series and that ties into the end of the finale. * * * * * * * * * On a side note, it's nice to see Mary McDonnell play the uptight haughty holier than thou character, she comes off as kind of an ice-bitch in the show but in interviews she is really personable.
March 18, 2007, 11:04 p.m. CST
I don't much care for Deal or No Deal. It's not my idea of good television either. Why is it that there's always some asshole who thinks that just because you don't dig the direction a show's going in you must be into bad television?
March 18, 2007, 11:05 p.m. CST
Much like the teen cell tone the song can only be heard by certain people. <p> It could be a genetic defect that was capitalized on by the lost tribe. Thus leaving a clue only few could find. <p> That would mean all those people who hear the song are related genetically. A common ancestor somewhere in their past.
March 18, 2007, 11:06 p.m. CST
Remember that the priestess from Season One had so much faith in her because of the Chronicles of Pythia. However, you could be right.
March 18, 2007, 11:10 p.m. CST
Yes, but Roslin admitted to capitalizing on something she didn't beleive in to give the people hope. Adama grudgingly went along with the ruse. <p> But what if it was a never a ruse on her part but an enactment of the Cylon plan. <p> Maybe the Cylons even allowed the fleet to escape so it could be followed. <p> You got to admit some of this has been way to easy. Fight just hard enough then fall back. What do Cylons have to lose, they get reborn.
March 18, 2007, 11:14 p.m. CST
So maybe those that hear the song are actually hearing broadcasts from earth. All those radio and television waves broadcast are floating around in the universe and only require a receptive device. <p> You go far enough out and you can watch the original I Love Lucy broadcasts.
March 18, 2007, 11:17 p.m. CST
They already used the original theme in the pilot miniseries for the new BSG. It played briefly during the Viper flyby when Lee was piloting Bill Adama's old Viper, I think.
March 18, 2007, 11:33 p.m. CST
by Prof. Pop-Cult
It's used as the Colonial Anthem in the new BSG. It's been heard twice.
March 18, 2007, 11:34 p.m. CST
Yeah, yeah music = Cylons, but...<p>Anders is a nugget!?!
March 18, 2007, 11:50 p.m. CST
by Professor Krapp
I agree with you, except the show started to fall apart for me halfway through season one. What once looked to be great is now only occasionally good. And it pisses the fanboys off when we point that out. This is supposed to be a lovefest, don't you know?
March 19, 2007, 12:18 a.m. CST
NoHubris, I agree that there are some echoes of Lee's support of the President from the first season, but there was no danger of the Articles of Colonization being subverted or Baltar's rights being denied. They were already having the trial before Lee got involved and Baltar even has a top all-star lawyer, capable of twisting the Admiral's son around his finger. So now instead of Lee looking like a stand up guy he just looks like a pathetic tool of the lawyer, lashing out at Daddy. And The admiral looks equally dumb. What is he doing on the tribunal if he doesn't even understand the law or legal proceedings? On top of that he tells the defendent's lawyer(Lee) that he already considers Baltar a traitor who doesn't deserve a trial at all. Mistrial anyone? And Adama should know his son better by now that he wouldn't go around calling him a liar, etc. If he's gonna say something like that he should be much much drunker. The whole father-son story simply feels like a retread of stuff they did first and second season. And as far as the legal case goes, didn't anyone ever figure out that Baltar gave a nuke to the Pegasus Six that she detonated, killing who knows how many people and the radiation led the Cylons to New Caprica? Add that to the charges.
March 19, 2007, 12:29 a.m. CST
by Hairy Nutsack
Why is it that there's always some asshole who comes into this TalkBack every week to tell us he's not watching the show anymore?
March 19, 2007, 12:29 a.m. CST
by Arch Nemesis
Well, half of it was true tonight.
March 19, 2007, 12:48 a.m. CST
by The Ape Giggins
...Fleetwood Mac's "Tusk"
March 19, 2007, 12:50 a.m. CST
MNG - The arrow of Athena helped to get the whole search for Earth arc going. That's when we heard about Athena casting herself off a cliff(??) because humanity was leaving Kobol. Since the search for earth has intensified, maybe now is the right time to reintroduce the Lords of Kobol or whoever they really were.<P>BTW, good to be back after missing last week's TB.<P>EvilWizardGlick - Every priestess has been right so far. However, I agree that it has been too easy for the Cylons, but it has to be by design for some reason (maybe to trigger one final battle and/or big reveal before ultimately finding earth).<P>Superninja - nice to see you in the BSG TB. We know Athena was a superwoman so the reason BSG has so many could have roots in the "Athena/Kobol thing" too.<P>Cheers.
March 19, 2007, 2:23 a.m. CST
Where is chrth?<p> Loved this episode! Tigh and the music (it's in the frakkin ship!), all of it was spot on. The Fighting Adamas thing came off a little off-key, I think, seeming to me to be over the top reactions from both of them. Probably a necessary step for what is to come, I suppose, but felt a little rushed.<p>REMEMBER to RECORD an EXTRA 10 MINUTES NEXT WEEK. I will stay up late again, be groggy at work, but it is gonna be worth it.<p>apparently HENDRIX is one of the Final Five, or a Lord Of Kobol... ;~)
March 19, 2007, 3:29 a.m. CST
by Triumph poops!
Good job noting to set the ol' recorders with some extra time next week for the finale. Last time around, for Season 2's finale, my Tivo started and stopped EXACTLY on time -- the result being that when I got home later that night and plopped on the couch all ready to enjoy the show, it frakkin' ended with 5 minutes left to go. I had to wait like a week till SciFi repeated it to finally see "how" it actually ended.<p>So thanks again for the goo safety reminder. I don't intend to get screwed again!
March 19, 2007, 6:50 a.m. CST
I know the new thing these days is drama drama drama...but can we have 3 drama ep's then one ep of pure shoot em up, save the day fun? Old Battlestar had it and remember it was only cancelled because it costs too much to make.
March 19, 2007, 7:51 a.m. CST
I was really expecting the show to actually be different than what the spoilers said it would be. And I was kinda pissy that it didn't go where I thought it would. Gotta stop reading spoilers. Anyway, I don't think those four are actually Cylons. A friend of mine thinks that because they were all interrogated by the Cylons that they've been brainwashed to carry out certain commands. The music would be the trigger, although why Dylan is anybody's guess. Could that be how all of the lights in the fleet go out just as the Cylons attack? I still think Roslin's a Cylon though.
March 19, 2007, 8:51 a.m. CST
*Spoilers* It's not that difficult to make the identity of those cylons work within established continuity. First, we know the Final 5 were separated from the rest of the Cylon models for some reason. And it's been established in dialogue between Cavil and D'anna that the current Cylon models have never seen the Final 5. It's therefore possible that the Final 5 may have been around longer than the creation of the other Humanoid Cylon models and the original Cylon War, which could explain how Tigh can be involved with that period. Also, the Final 5's bodies may be operating on a different chemistry which allows for their bodies to age until they get a new body or whatever. If they are connected to the 5 Lords of Kobol as has been implied, then they have to be "special" somehow. Someone has to be controlling all of the Cylon strings and elements such as setting-up the downloading facilities, separating the Final 5 from the other models, etc. I suspect it may be the Final Unknown Cylon, who is able to observe everything and intervening occassionally like "de-activating" D'Anna after her vision in the Temple of Jupiter. In regards to the Chief and Cally, who says the baby is really his? I now don't think it is because it would detract from Hera's importance as the only known Cylon/Human hybrid. Anyway, I think we are being given reasons for all 4 of these characters to eventually leave Galactica for parts unknown despite their previous attachments to the Colonial Fleet. Tigh is a mess over Ellen and Helo is there as a dependable XO to replace him. Tori was just bashed by Roslyn despite her loyalty to her on New Caprica. Anders' wife Starbuck is coming back to a suddenly single Lee. And if Cally did cheat on him and had someone else's baby (or got pregnant with someone and told the Chief it was his to get him to marry her), it could be enough to drive him back into the arms of Boomer.
March 19, 2007, 9:16 a.m. CST
and when will those chimps in industry finally watch a single frakking random episode of BSG, and nominate Michael Hogan for some award...?
March 19, 2007, 9:56 a.m. CST
Ratings are down. I doubt it will make it past next season. They are probably trying to tie up as many loose ends as possible so we don't end up with as many loose ends as TOS left us.
March 19, 2007, 10:11 a.m. CST
why would you still watch it. It makes little sense.
March 19, 2007, 10:34 a.m. CST
They are ALL cylons. Right from the pilot I said this and I think at some point I'll be proven right. They are now, and always have been cylons. If talkbacks went far enough back to the pilot one, you would see where I said it. It's just like that stupid episode of Voyager where the whole ship and crew were replicated, that's what's going on here. ALL CYLONS.
March 19, 2007, 11:01 a.m. CST
Tyrol was there with no ill effect. Not a Cylon.
March 19, 2007, 11:36 a.m. CST
"All four are horrified to come to the conclusion that they'va ALL always been Cylons." So, maybe it means they are all Cylons, not those four, but the whole fleet. I didn't hear the line in the teaser clearly, so I wasn't sure if Anders? said "It's true, we're all Cylons" or "It's true, they're all Cylons". I'm also betting that it's a phantom Kara that Lee sees.
March 19, 2007, 11:47 a.m. CST
Just because they THINK they're cylons, does NOT mean that they are.<p> Period, Amen. All of a sudden, because Anders or someone says "we're cylons" doesn't mean ANYTHING. They're making an assumption based on this music. If you ask me, they have all been in a position in the past (some we've seen, some we haven't) where they could have been messed with by the cylons... implanted with something. <p>The cylons want to cause confusion in the ranks of the humans by making them doubt their humanity, perhaps?
March 19, 2007, 11:48 a.m. CST
I scrolled right to the bottom and posted mine... weird.
March 19, 2007, 12:09 p.m. CST
by Monkey Man Zero
Bob Dylan is the 13th Lord of Kobol.
March 19, 2007, 12:45 p.m. CST
<p>Don't get me wrong, I still love Galactica and still tune in to see it WHEN I remember it was on (since the Sunday night move).</p> <p>But I have also been somewhat disturbed with the direction the show is going in as this season has been progressing, but couldn't quite put my finger on what was bugging me until last night.</p> <p>The show is still great on the MICRO level (episode by episode level), but the MACRO level is beginning to suck. For instance, I thought last night's episode was well written, acted, and tightly edited. So, what was wrong with it? I'm starting to mistrust the overall story arcs. For instance, do we really need to re-hash the Lee Adama vs. Bill Adama angle? We've already done it twice now, and I'm just not believing it this time around. Also, some of the story contrivances are feeling a little. . . well. . . contrived. I get the impression that there IS no real story arc going on, and that the creative team is just totally making it up as they go along. And THAT is a problem. That's a characteristic of every sci-fi TV show that started out strong that I can think of. (X-Files anybody)? I mean, it is evident to me that the Cylons do NOT have a master plan here. </p> <p>Also, the whole "Cult of Baltar" thing doesn't track for me. You're going to have that many people rooting for the guy in a fleet of 38,000 remaining people? Hard to believe. And just how large a percentage of the fleet are in the media? What do they do to contribute to society when they AREN'T raking muck? And, if it truly turns out that these four people referred to are actually Cylons, why didn't Baltar come across that with his amazing Cylon testing machine? He caught Sharon, and you KNOW that Tigh had to be in that round of testing. . . . Hmm. . . . </p> <p>I'm beginning to believe that having a shorter series time (13 episodes) may indeed be a good thing to keep the writing team on track. And I sincerely HOPE that they will plot out how they want this puppy to end and head the show in that direction with a defined arc. But if they don't have anymore stories to tell without contrivances or completely shattering the believeability of their established characters, then they need to be thinking about exit strategies. Just my $.02 worth. Anybody else agree? </p>
March 19, 2007, 12:56 p.m. CST
March 19, 2007, 1:13 p.m. CST
Adama wakes up and says, "I had the most HORRIBLE dream!!" ;-)<p><p><p><p> I WOULDN'T PUT IT PAST THEM!
March 19, 2007, 2:25 p.m. CST
...characters are cylons? Weird shit happening doesn't necessarily mean "you're a cylon!" I think this is trick by Moore.
March 19, 2007, 2:26 p.m. CST
...the first 4 episodes and the last 3 episodes with a bunch of shit in between. Fair enough. But I'm glad we'll have a shorter season next year.
March 19, 2007, 2:53 p.m. CST
I was really hoping the spoilers were a prank on AICN. But , sigh, it turns out they were dead on. Who ever said the show is suffering on the macro level is spot on. The entire season is giving characters a change of direction, then rest it after. How many want to bet after "shocking" revelation of the four cyclons, it will be business as usual at the start of next season. Christ even Roslin has her cancer back. Pick a frakken direction and stick with it. I loved this show until this season, it was the smartest show on television. But the quality has taken a nose dive. So help me, if Lee starts pining over starbuck again next season, I'm done.
March 19, 2007, 3:36 p.m. CST
by Prof. Pop-Cult
I get the sense that there is no master plan. (The guys behind LOST probably have a more clear picture as to what they're doing -- their problem is is that their arc isn't really that complex, and they're having to stretch it out for as long as possible.) I doubt RDM even knows what Earth will be like when the Galacticans find it, what year it will be -- they may not even show what human civilization is like by then: Just the earth, as the fleet approaches, and The End. Ultimately, I have a feeling that most of the arcs aren't going to make much sense in hindsight when the series comes to a close.
March 19, 2007, 4:22 p.m. CST
Many of you seem to think all final five are going to be members of the fleet.I dont get that.Seems to me that we know at least ONE is.(The one that Xena recognized)But I see no reason why it wouldnt just be 4 other actors we never saw before.The whole Tigh/Anders etc possibility was already explained by Cally.She hit it on the nose when she said that suspicion is the best tactic the Cylons have.Im certain the song is a tactic in an effort to undermine the fleet internaly.Hell im the first to admit Ive been wayyy more wrong then right in the past.I just cant see Saul being a Cylon.What could be better than making others believe your a Cylon?Making YOU believe you COULD BE, thats the ticket. Im still going on my theory Gaeta is the Cylon-Hes the only guy thats been on the show from the jump that has ZERO development
March 19, 2007, 4:32 p.m. CST
Lampkin's opening statement made no sense at all!"Im gratefull Roslin wasnt president when the Cylons came"(Cmon already,leave Al Gore alone)The FACT IS they wouldve never settled on New Caprica if Laura was elected! Dummy... Alo,.I wanted to add another reason i suspect Gaeta ,when the Cylons discovered the fleet on the Algea planet..Hes had a convo with Adama that was mighty strange about"Its to much of a coincidence that the Cylons would show up at the same time as us AND when the sun was going super Nova too" Dude,your punk ass sent them secret transmissions of our location..Not only did they "show up" but they knew why we were there too?Please
March 19, 2007, 5:36 p.m. CST
They need to stick with a direction and go with it. Wow. Gee. Shocker. Lee and Adama fighting again. Lee quits. Lee comes back. Gee. Cancer for Roslin. So exciting the first time let's bring it back. Someone is a cylon on Galactica. Shit. Instead of one let's see if we can get four (which I don't believe). And finally bring back a character, Starbuck, who just needs to stay dead. All the seasons should have been only 13 episodes. Obviously the writers have some kind of memory loss and are just recycling plots after only three seasons.
March 19, 2007, 6:02 p.m. CST
Actually, ratings are up since they moved to Sundays.
March 19, 2007, 6:43 p.m. CST
That scene with Adama drinking and telling his son that he has no integrity just seemed way out of character. It wasn't believable this time...which, I view as the 4th time. 1st time was pretty much off and on in the whole season1, 2nd time was when he took Roslin's side in the season1 finale, 3rd time was during the whole fat-Lee period in season2/3 and this season3 finale would be the 4th time. I wonder, will they make up? hmmmm....YES. Well, as the always say in BSG, "all this has happened before and will happen again." Well, stop with the "happen again" part.
March 19, 2007, 6:45 p.m. CST
http://tinyurl.com/2om73u (hope there aren't any spaces in between them)
March 19, 2007, 6:49 p.m. CST
I think people should stop thinking these characters are the real Four because there's absolutely NO WAY they will be. There's something else going on here, probably involving the third party, we'll just have to wait and see what they call them and how they deal with them in this series. Remember, D'Anna (aka Xena cylon) only seems to recognize one of the Five, and I think the other four will be irrelevant. In-head-Baltar was back again this week. It makes me think there's a lot more to Six than we yet know. I think her and Baltar are being spoken to by the Gods, or the Lords of Kobol, who appear as the in-head visions. The Gods sparked the human-cylon war in order to push both 'races' toward Earth. Starbuck was picked up by the same forces responsible for in-head-Six and Baltar.
March 19, 2007, 6:53 p.m. CST
Posted this before, but there was little mention, which I'm going to assume means either (A) no one cared enough to read it, or (B) it was so on-target no one could bitch about it. Anyway, consider Leoben's line "This has all happened before, and this will all happen again." He said it a few times. This -- combined with all the season finale flashbacks to Hybrid Hera on Kobol -- is the key to the entire show. And the biggest question you should be asking yourself is this: "Does Hera look like one of the Twelve Models, or is she something entirely new?" So here we go. Leoben's line is not a vague reference. It's actually an explicit truth. So here's the theory. (1) The humans on Kobol thousands of years ago created five humanoid "Cylons". The five best and brightest scientists had gotten together and created five humanoid Cylons in their own images. (2) The Kobol Cylons eventually fell in love with Kobol humans and bred with them, over time creating a race of Hera-esque hybrids. Not a coincidence that Baltar had the vision he did of the cradle on the altar on Kobol at the end of S1, nor that Laura now is dreaming of Hera in the same theater in Kobol. (3) The race of Kobol human-Cylon hybrids eventually came to be at war with "pure" humans who detested the thought of man-machine blood 4) The Hybrids and Pures, unable to put down their differences, eventually both fled the smoking ruins of Kobol, with the Hybrids going on to settle the 12 Colonies and the Pures going on to settle a single distant planet: Earth. (5) Over time the Hybrid settlers of the 12 Colonies forced themselves to forget their true nature, and 4,000 years later were proud of themselves when they invented robots to serve them that they called "Cylons" (6) The Hybrids' still-metallic Cylons of course began a war, were driven off, but 40 years later returned in humanoid form to annihilate the Hybrids on the 12 Colonies, all but for one ragtag fleet of Hybrid survivors. The Cylon-Cylons had no clue that their victims were also part Cylon. (7) The Hybrid Survivors (the BSG and the Fleet) and the Cylon-Cylons (the Basestars) are all heading toward Earth, where they're going to encounter the surviving Pures who -- 4,000 years later -- are going to very unhappy to see them 8 ) The original humans on Kobol were unknowingly not originally from Kobol, but were settlers there after a larger civil war elesewhere in the universe, which they fled to escape the humanoid robots they'd created with the best of intentions (9) Leoben's claim that "this has all happened before and will all happen again" fits the above well, though I don't know how he knows this (10) At least one of the original five Cylons from Kobol must have headed to the colonies stowed away with the original Hybrids in order for one member of the Fleet to be a Final Five (which isn't necessarily the case), but all five could easily be on the fleet. Or four plus Starbuck, whatever. (11) "They have a plan" refers to the Final Five, not the inbred idiots on the basestars. (12) In order for the cycle to be stopped, the Hybrids and True Cylons now heading toward Earth must find a way to make peace with the Pures, remember their history, and maintain a knowing peace forever onward. Thoughts?
March 19, 2007, 7:24 p.m. CST
It's not a bad theory at all, my only quibble with it is the science of course. From season one they "had" a way to tell cylon skinjob from human (or half human/cylon). So don't you think they could have seen that they too were at least part cylon? I'll be honest I've never liked the idea the skinjobs were almost impossible to tell from human. But on the other hand, if the humans are already part cylon then it makes it even harder to tell them apart. And best of all your theory weaves nicely with my own that I said from day one... they are all cylons.
March 19, 2007, 7:30 p.m. CST
I'm wondering if the Lords of Kobol aren't in a war themselves and the humans and Cylons are pawns. The change in direction the show seems to be making is toward the spiritul and mirrors the basic theme the orignal series took. Maybe the Good Gods want the humans to reach Earth because it will help them win and the Bad Gods are using the Cylons to keep them from getting there, sowing confusion. Like performing monkey says, the in-head Baltar and Six are manifestations of the Gods. But what if they are the Bad Gods manifested in familiar forms to two people who can affect major changes in both Cylon and Human camps? As far as why the Good Gods want the humans to reach Earth - I dunno. Maybe kesoze4 above is in the neighborhood. Of course we won't know for sure until the show ends because there will be unpredictable twists along the way that will lead us to wrong conclusions.
March 19, 2007, 7:46 p.m. CST
Not to go all movie geek but the radio music is a definitely a take on Jean Cocteau's ORPHEUS where Orphée/Orpheus (Jean Marais) was receiving messages from the underworld on his car radio.<P>Just thought I'd mention that.<P>PS - What's up, Chromie!
March 19, 2007, 8:09 p.m. CST
I think the Cylons are just engaging in some deep psy-op mindfuckery. <p> Also, watching Seelix flirt with horse-face made me wish I knew how to play sports. <p> neat theory kesoze, you're probably about 60% right.
March 19, 2007, 8:12 p.m. CST
Yeah this would be pretty good, but it could be looked at differently. What if instead of creating a whole race of Cylon-humans, %99.9 of the Colonials ARE pure humans but there are descendants of the Five, these now being Tigh, Tyrel, Anders, Tory and...now here's where it get's interesting. Let's say the last Cylon is still around, that it is pure Cylon and not a descendant, it has been around for thousands of years, unchanging. This is Roslin IMO. I don't think Starbuck is a Cylon or Cylon descendant.
March 19, 2007, 8:15 p.m. CST
by Mr. Nice Gaius
What's shakin'?<P>And good question: where's chrth? Red Ned Lynch?
March 19, 2007, 8:42 p.m. CST
To exclude Zarek from the last two episodes (That is if he doesn't show up next week -I did not read the spoilers either) is a missed opportunity IMO.
March 19, 2007, 9:21 p.m. CST
I'm thinking the Final 5 were Cylons that wanted to live amongst humans, not against them. Thus they erased their existence from the Cylons (to prevent bias) and erased their own memories of being Cylons to allow themselves to live like humans. And the 5th Cylon will probably be Adama, but naturally they will save that for season 4.
March 19, 2007, 9:55 p.m. CST
We, the residents of earth, are cylons. Think about it... the cylons worship one god, like most humans, whereas the "colonials worship gods. I bet when it's all said and done, the cylons will be the ones to reach and populate earth, making us the descendents of cylons. I've had this theory since the mini, and it looks like it's heading there. It's probably meant to be a big twist shocker of an ending to the series.
March 19, 2007, 9:59 p.m. CST
And Tigh should be excluded too, as he was also inside the place... BUT, there may be a problem, as Doral didn't seem too sick when he was there. Only when the Cylons picked Doral up did he begin to exhibit symptoms, so both Tigh and Tyrol are still contenders.
March 19, 2007, 10:10 p.m. CST
"I can't believe her cancer came back! How repetitive!" I'm amazed, truly. Guess what? Cancer actually does come and go in real life. I think her cancer coming back is truer to life and LESS predictable than what you might see on other shows. kesoze, I really, really, like that theory. It works very well, though I don't know if I like that as well as some of the others floating around
March 19, 2007, 11:09 p.m. CST
The Lagoon nebula is 5200 lightyears from Earth. Assuming the fleet is near there, it would have taken the Bob Dylan song that long to reach them. This places the date on earth over five thousand years in the future. Which... doesn't really make sense. Hrm. Maybe there's Earthlings in an outpost nearby with a thing for oldies. :D
March 19, 2007, 11:23 p.m. CST
Because every week the show seems to lose a little steam and a few more people who started out loving it find that it's become just stale enough for them to want to find something else to do. I can't believe you had trouble with that one but I'm glad I could help you out. Anything else you need to know just post it in here and I'll do what I can.
March 19, 2007, 11:35 p.m. CST
it does seem to fit within the established rules of the show that in-head baltar and in-head six are other- (read divine)motivated; the interaction between in-head six and baltar have pretty much been leading us to that conclusion. but couldn't the return of starbuck be other-motivated as well? couldn't starbuck be touched by the divine in the same way, allowing her to have an in-head link to a human- in this case, lee. she could be pushing lee towards earth in much the same way in-head six was with baltar late in season 1. immagine season 4 starting with lee being the only one to see kara, and then having to deal with the old man and anders as well- great dramatic grist for a 'b' story throughout the next season!!
March 19, 2007, 11:37 p.m. CST
we find outthat starbuck is a hybrid, which satisfies chromies theory, so he won't have to switch to 'nohybrid'!! hmmm?
March 20, 2007, 12:22 a.m. CST
sadly, my Hybrid Theory was overly specific: I claim that the Final Fiver that D'Anna Apologized To was a Hybrid model that "flies" the Cylon basestars. They specifically referred to those as Hybrids. I did not have half-human-half-cylon anyone in mind when I proposed the theory. I also said it would not be until next season before we would know this. So, if everyone's memories are poor, no one will remember me next season in case I am wrong, and I could sneakily weasel out of my promise to retire the chromedome moniker.<p>It is interesting to note that the Trinity Theory proposed by someone who I cannot remember (or I would give them full credit), heartily endorsed by me, seems to be nearly proven.<p>If the spoilers are true, then one single character died AND discovered they are a cylon/fulfilled their destiny (depending on which promo you saw) AND found earth.<p>Cheers to you, jedi, and to MNG, NoHubris, and the missing chrth and red ned, too.<p>signed, <p>chromedome (for now....)
March 20, 2007, 7 a.m. CST
But I highly doubt either Cally or Tyrol will EVER be revealed as Cylons. It would completely destroy the plotline of everyone trying to get unique baby Hera.
March 20, 2007, 7:41 a.m. CST
At no point do the cylons indicate they even know who the final five are, quite the opposite in fact - they are boxed for even trying to find out. Cally or Tyrol could be a Cylon for that reason. They may be under the assumption that Hera is the only half-breed just as much as the humans are.
March 20, 2007, 11:55 a.m. CST
Why the build up then over past seasons? And now, why have shared dreams about a child that would suddenly be old news? Now if both were cylons, that could be interesting.
March 20, 2007, 12:47 p.m. CST
Okay so this has been touched on by several people. I am guessing that we are going to be the Cylon-Hybrids and the colonies the pure humans. Basically the complete opposite to what kesoze4 wrote about above. The theory by kesoze4 (see above) makes perfect sense if you turn it around. The twist at the end of the show is going to be we're the Hybrids and they are all real humans. What could be a bigger kicker at the end of the show; the place they're fleeing to is what they're so scared off. So after building Cylons on Kobol and eventually hybrids then finally destroying Kobol, the two camps went they’re own ways. The hybrids left and found earth and the "pure" humans built up the 12 colonies. So after leaving Kobol and a long long time later they again they built Cyclons, bla bla bla big war bla bla bla. 40 years later the new Cylons created the skin jobs again and so "This has all happened before, and this will all happen again." Makes a lot of sense… While the pure 12 colonies of pure humans had some hybrid DNA and so the music the "four" can hear is probably due to some Hybrid DNA which stayed in the gene line and being dominant. Also explaining why they’re so hard to tell apart. So basically they’re not really Cyclons but are just more tuned in, as they happen to have a bit more cylon in them than other people in the fleet. And of cause the original Hybrids (us) settled on earth and and shunned their technology etc. etc. and over time forgot our origins (or by design) and explaining the single God most of us worship. So basically any time the fleet turns both camps are in for a shock! So I am guessing the final five are new-hybrids that discovered this truth and got boxed for it.
March 20, 2007, 3:03 p.m. CST
Someone brings up the question about whether or not they should continue on to Earth? Because if they do, they'll be brining the Cylons with them and they have no right to inflict that upon the inhabitants of the planet. I remember this being very clearly brought up in the original series, along with cheeseball "dramitizations" of Cylons attacking city streets...
March 20, 2007, 3:08 p.m. CST
Sheesh, never thought I'd be able to make a "Beggers and Chosers" reference in a BSG talk back.
March 20, 2007, 6:41 p.m. CST
Roslin, if she were president, wouldn't have surrendered humanity to Cylon rule, and the cylons would have simply wiped them all out. It had nothing to do with colonization.
March 20, 2007, 6:50 p.m. CST
She can fulfill the dying leader prophecy.
March 20, 2007, 9:19 p.m. CST
by Dennis the Menace
SO I READ THE SPOILERS, IT DIDN'T REALLY BOTHER ME MUCH EXCEPT I AM CURIOUS TO SEE HOW THEY MAKE TIGH A REALISTIC CYLON, HE IS SO HARD CORE, AND ANDERS, THAT REALLY SUCKS, HES ONE OF THE GOOD ONES OR SO I THOUGHT, GALEN AND TORY, EHH WHATS THE DIFF. I FRACKING LOVE THIS SHOW AND WILL WATCH NO MATTER WHAT...........
March 20, 2007, 9:29 p.m. CST
by Red Giant
And remember in the mini that Six turned from talking to Baltar and said something like "It's about time you got here"? Hmmm...
March 20, 2007, 10:58 p.m. CST
I have watched every episode and although I keep watching because it is the ONLY SF show on TV set in space, I seriously am overly disappointed with this series. It is in the league for me as a guilty pleasure, which is all. Baltar talking to SIX all the time thru telekinesis is so easy of a plot device, and downright stupid. The sub-standard filler episodes week after week are also almost making me turn off the TV set (and the ratings show more people agree with me as the ratings are getting LOWER). I am so sick and tired of everyone saying how GREAT this show is. It can not touch a candle to Farscape, B5 or Firefly. I for one hope they finish the series but seriously, ALL THE MAIN CREW ARE CYLONS!!! YEA RIGHT!!! Plain Dumb Stuff: 1. Baltar talking to SIX all the time – snooze fest – I hope they kill em both off -- 2. Cylons regenerating and keeping memories – come on… 3. the Book of Mormon storyline is grossly overused and underused at the same time 4. Let’s go to Earth – and lead the way so they can die as well – good idea 5. Cancer comes; cancer goes – give me some more Cylon blood – whatever!! 6. Pilots can fly in space in a ship with no windows – that is always fun 7. They have spacecraft, travel speed of light, but have a ship of miners refining fuel – no robots – even the first BSG had a robot pet… They create Cylons but can’t automate fuel refining – idiots 8. Cally is the most irritating character to date..What is up her ASS? 9. I understand that they are going for a certain look, but some of the technology is downright RIDICULOUS !!! Looks like it is from 1950. I could come up with more but I am sure I am going to get flamed enough for this post --
March 20, 2007, 11:19 p.m. CST
WASPFAN, it's explained explicitly in the miniseries why they don't have robots and why they're using old-fashioned technology -- because Cylons viruses are known to instantly infect and take over anything electronically fancier than what they're currently using. The last thing they need is ROBOTS in the fleet, for pete's sake.
March 20, 2007, 11:28 p.m. CST
There are no torrents for ep. 20 yet, enough said. -RD
March 20, 2007, 11:39 p.m. CST
Gotta use a walkie talkie cause of a virus - please -- I know they sort of explained it but man - it is a lame explaination in my book --- You don't think you need computers to navigate space? The whole Cylon virus thing does not grab me - sorry --
March 20, 2007, 11:49 p.m. CST
Sucked. Sorry... truth hurts! Well, maybe not truth, but opinion hurts. BSG is high quality storytelling while those other shows are -at best- only quality Sci-fi.
March 21, 2007, 12:57 a.m. CST
comparing BSG to babylon 5 and farscape and firefly is rediculous, saying those shows are better is downright retarded. if u dont understand the show enuf to know why they dont use robots..then dont watch, catching an episode or part of an episode here or there isnt enuf. no one said they dont use computers to fly their ships, they dont have networked computers, theres a difference,.
March 21, 2007, 5:04 a.m. CST
It would seem that 2 of the Final Five like to drink. Tigh and Anders are wasted this episode alone. I thought I saw a couple more of the Final Five down at the bar yesterday. Of course my next door neighbor likes to drink too... I knew there was a reason why he has 2 satellite dishes on his roof.
March 21, 2007, 6:09 a.m. CST
I remember Ron Moore mentioning in an interview I read recently that he has some kind of "5" year plan in his head. It may be a stretch, but if one looks at that as like a 3 act structure with act 2 broken up, the very middle will be the slowest and strangest. A perceived lull that won't make real sense until later. If that holds (and it may not), then 4-5 should be an up hill drive towards a climax. But Moore could've bailed on the 5 year idea or whatever. I dunno. He seems like a guy that goes with the flow to get where he wants to go so he might be ready to bring it together in 4, 5, 7, whatever season. But I've enjoyed the latter half of 3, though not as much as 2, which I felt was brilliant all the way through pretty much. But I think it'll come together in the end. I think he has a plan, its just not all out there yet.
March 21, 2007, 7:32 a.m. CST
You know it's a shame that scene between Tigh and Six wasn't a little more like that scene between Octavian and Livia...<br> <br> "Yeah! Slap me bitch!"<br> "Slap me again!"<br>
March 21, 2007, 9:04 a.m. CST
"comparing BSG to babylon 5 and farscape and firefly is rediculous, saying those shows are better is downright retarded." Nothing ridiculous about it. BSG is a more compelling show, performed by actors of greater talent, with better writing, is less formulaic and predictable, and manages to be socially relevant and topical, therefore more accessible to a wider audience.
March 21, 2007, 9:27 a.m. CST
Bravo kesoze4- you have at least been paying attention, and that's an interesting theory to keep in mind during the long break between seasons. Still, I have my own little theory and it goes a little like this: there's an even split between male and female Cylons. Six women, six men. The writers have been all about equal opportunity since the very first episode, so only stands to reason that this symmetry is embedded in the plot. Therefore, the 'spoiled' above may THINK they're Cylons, but they can't all be...there would be an unbalanced m-f ratio. Mark my words, the final five are made up of two more men, and three more women. And if not ALL of those who hear the song can be Cyclons, then - probably - none of them really are. Thankfully, Kara is still kicking about as a possibility (my main reason for thinking she's a Cylon is that Baltar slept with her ages back...and he seems to only get his freak on with Cylon chicks.)
March 21, 2007, 10:15 a.m. CST
Maybe that explains why I get a woody everytime the microwave goes off.
March 21, 2007, 10:37 a.m. CST
Cylon Models = Lords of Kobol = Olympians = Colonial Zodiac Names "Pallas (Minerva/Athena) watches over the Woolbearer (Aries); Cytherea (Venus/Aprodite) over Taurus; Phoebus (Apollo) the shapely Gemini; You, Cyllenius (Mercury/Hermes), over Cancer; and Jupiter (Zeus), you yourself rule Leo with the Mother of the Gods; Virgo who bears ears of grain belongs to Ceres; and the forged scales to Vulcan; quarrelsome Scorpio clings to Mars (Ares); Diana (Artemis)cherishes the hunting man part horse (Sagittarius); and Vesta the contracted stars of Capricorn; opposite Jupiter is Aquarius, the star of Juno (Hera); and Neptune (Poseidon)acknowledges his own Pisces in the upper air." Astronomica, Manilius (30 B.C.-37 A.D) So, when finally revealed the 12 Cylon models will be equally split, 6 male and 6 female. The four hearing things(Tigh, Tyrol, Anders & Tory)really make no sense as Cylons, and I suspect another explanation, such as the entity who is "not Leoben".
March 21, 2007, 10:51 a.m. CST
This season has not been very good and the current "court room" drama sucks. I don't want to see another Law and Order on my TV. As previously stated in other posts, the father/son conflict simply does not work (just horribly written). I am disappointed that the writers could not continue the momentum of the first two seasons. Maybe the reduced number of episodes next year will force the creative team to tighten up the plot.
March 21, 2007, 11:52 a.m. CST
wow. I totally ruined the last episode for myself.
March 21, 2007, 2:19 p.m. CST
that four of the final five were those that were stranded on New Caprica during the occupation. Maybe something happened there that they don't even know about. Maybe they were implanted with something in case the signature radiation trace failed and they needed some way to track the fleet.
March 21, 2007, 3:59 p.m. CST
At this point we don't know Roslin's cancer is really back. She might just be saying that to cover up the fact she likes tripping out.
March 22, 2007, 12:08 a.m. CST
I love the people that say this show is so much better than the other scifi - I am not saying this show never had its momments but damn if this season was a total crap shoot... The shit on new caprica reminded me of the last season of andromeda - and for this great relevant writing - I think it does not compare to the others... The Acting on the otherhand is QUITE good -- and I think the quality acting actually helps the show come across BETTER than the writing even is... I really think the 5th season of B5 was better written than this crap - and yes I will keep watching - hoping it gets better - but in my mind it is a replacement for a Sunday night b-show mutant X -- and the shacky cam - done before in one of those other shows -
March 26, 2007, 12:06 a.m. CST
Meeting: Hi, Bob! Bob: I'm ten years sober, I mean human, but lately I've been feeling the urge to sing my old crap tunes a little louder and even worse than the first time around.