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‘What The Hell
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LOST 3.12!!

Published at: March 14, 2007, 5:27 p.m. CST by hercules

I am – Hercules!! LOST 3.12 FAQ What’s it called? “Par Avion.” What does TV Guide say? “Claire becomes suspicious of Charlie when he behaves strangely after she comes up with an idea that could get everybody rescued; tension mounts between Sayid and Locke as they continue their trek to rescue Jack. Christian Shephard: John Terry.” What did last week’s promo say? “Next Wednesday,” the announcer hints, “a surprise connection between two of these survivors will be revealed.” “Why are you really here?” asks Sayid. “What the hell is going on?” asks Claire. “And the search party encounters its most deadly obstacle yet,” teases the announcer. “Looks like we’re here,” says Locke. “What is it?” asks Kate. “Looks like an alarm system,” replies Sayid. “Or a trap. Don’t touch it! John! John!!” “Aaaaauuugghhhh!” screams one-eyed Mikhail? “Oh my God!” exclaims Kate! Who gets the flashbacks? Claire. We get to see her in her Goth phase. Since Jack’s dad returns this week, is it possible the surprise connection is between Jack and Claire? I heard Sayid was Nikki’s nephew. No you didn’t. Do we get back to Jack and The Others? Apparently, since ABC lists M.C. Gainey (Zeke Friendly aka Tom) among the guest cast. Does Charlie die this week? We don’t know. The current flashback batting order is said to be this: 3.12 Claire 3.13 Locke 3.14 NikkiPaulo 3.15 Kate 3.16 Juliet 3.17 Desmond 3.18 JinSun Was that really “Take A Shit Guy” playing the giant Persian man-god Xerxes in “300”? Rodrigo Santoro. He’s from Brazil! Is Bai Ling in this episode? We don’t know. What else is TV Guide not telling us? Claire is a raven-haired teen in her flashbacks. One of the guest cast plays “man at crash site.” So Desmond makes no predictions this week? We don’t know. How does it end, spoiler-boy? We don’t know. Whatcha got on future episodes? BEWARE!! MAJOR SPOILERS HO!! * Shades of Lancelot trying to save Galahad in “Holy Grail”! Kate could learn at the end of tonight’s episode that Jack is now all friendly with The Others. * Next week deals with how Locke got in the chair. "I was afraid it'd be anticlimactic," Terry O'Quinn tells Entertainment Weekly. "It's not. It's pretty stunning. You're gonna go, 'Man, no wonder this guy wants to stay here!'" * Shannon, Boone, Ethan and Arzt all turn up in the NikkiPaulo flashbacks. And Billy Dee Williams makes his “Lost” debut as “Mr. LaShade.” * Carlton Cuse tells TV Guide’s Michael Ausiello that Claire will soon learn Charlie engineered Sun’s “kidnapping” all those episodes ago. * ABC’s literature on the Kate episode suggests Ms. Austin will go on the run with Juliet after learning that “one of her own” has betrayed her to The Others. * We’ll see more of Penny in Desmond’s flashbacks, according to E!’s Kristin Veitch. 10 p.m. Wednesday. ABC.





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  • March 14, 2007, 10:50 a.m. CST

    Can we all have a flashback to season one...

    by Pdorwick

    ...to the last time this show was worth watching?

  • March 14, 2007, 10:57 a.m. CST

    THE CAT.

    by PwnedByStallone

    Just want to get this out of the way since there seemed to be confusion last week in TB. The cat Sayid sees in the jungle in the last shot of last weeks episode was the cat from The Flame and NOT the cat from his flashback. The cat from his flashback has a dark patch of fur on his nose, Flame Cat did not. Now. Lets rock!

  • March 14, 2007, 10:58 a.m. CST

    "WE DON'T KNOW." just about summarizes the whole year !

    by Pound Sand

  • March 14, 2007, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Fuck you Pdorwick.

    by PwnedByStallone

    Got a problem with the show? Either stop watching or say what your problem is so Novaman can debunk it immediately. You stupid haters would benefit from actually reading these talkbacks or, god forbid, watching the show and paying attention instead of beating off to Scarlett Johansson pictures on your computer at the same time.

  • March 14, 2007, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Rock out with my Cock out

    by RanT

    Rock out with YOUR Cock out

  • March 14, 2007, 11:14 a.m. CST

    To all the naysayers . . . .

    by Spacejockey426

    . . who think the show has Lost its way, is not as good as it was, and isn't worth watching. What the hell are you guys doing here, in this forum, posting your lamentations? If you've given up on the show, even partially, then don't watch it and stop wasting your time posting about it! Watch something else, read a book, or do somehting else more productive with your time! Some say The Others are boring. Yeah? Whenever any of the Others are onscreen, I am trying to look for any clues as to who and what they are in their actions and dialogue, looking for the least bit of a notion as to their motivation and origins. It's all about suspense and mystery, people. Granted, the onion is slow to peel itself to reveal its secrets, but lets face it - we know a hell of a lot more than we did 48 episodes ago.

  • March 14, 2007, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Lets get this out of the way...

    by MachThree

    a) Lost is good b) Heroes is good c) I don't give a shit if one is better than the other (but TASG might) Now, let the Lost haters descend upon this talkback for their weekly ranting so that I can feel like its really Wednesday day.

  • March 14, 2007, 11:26 a.m. CST

    http://dropboxthemovie.com/

    by Boondock

    http://dropboxthemovie.com/ If you like Celebrity Sex Tapes check out this site.

  • March 14, 2007, 11:29 a.m. CST

    Spacejockey426, Spacejockey426, Spacejockey426...

    by ejcarter9

    ... your Lost is my X-Men 3.

  • March 14, 2007, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Is it Wednesday already? Lovely.

    by Novaman5000

    Let the back and forth begin!

  • March 14, 2007, 11:45 a.m. CST

    Pdorwick

    by krodnoc

    Your wish will be granted on the March 28th episode.

  • March 14, 2007, 11:45 a.m. CST

    So looking forward to the Take-a-Shit flashback.

    by CorpseRide

    He goes diving under the sea, you know, and all around the underwater section of the plane sitting in the bay, looking for a special something. No, not his douche. I'm psyched for that ep's revelations.

  • March 14, 2007, 11:48 a.m. CST

    I got complete Seasons One and two

    by emeraldboy

    my birthday. Cool. Oh and in an unrelated topic. The simpsons episode where they enter witness relocation is the simpson finest hour. I would add that Seasons 5-9 are the best. Sideshow bob and the rakes is the funniest thing they have ever done. That whole episode is glorious.

  • March 14, 2007, 11:56 a.m. CST

    I wondered when this article would finally be up

    by godzillasushi

    Sounds like another good one.

  • March 14, 2007, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Nikki Paulo Flashback

    by AdrianVeidt

    I've been saying since their emergence that they were put on to this show for a damn good reason. The producers know we love our castaways and we're already throwing us the others. Think of the people they added to the castaways. Desmond and the Tailies. Both with great backstories that are important to the story. Nikki/Paulo are important for some reason, and not just two more pretty faces. They will have a solid backstory. And besides, if all else fails, at least we got the line from Sawyer "Who the hell are you?"

  • March 14, 2007, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Judging by future episodes...

    by PwnedByStallone

    this show is about to get fucking insane. What's the over and under on Jack and Claire being siblings again? By the way...Goth Claire....that will get me through the next week for sure.

  • March 14, 2007, 12:05 p.m. CST

    PwnedByStallone....

    by CorpseRide

    ... "The cat from his flashback has a dark patch of fur on his nose, Flame Cat did not"</p> Yeah, cos the Smoke Monster's skills were WEAK in that ep. Seriously, that cat was inches away from turning into a giant black smoke hand and serving up a round of bitchslappery.

  • March 14, 2007, 12:10 p.m. CST

    people are still watching this show?

    by ATARI

    <br>

  • March 14, 2007, 12:11 p.m. CST

    Jack and Claire...

    by Novaman5000

    So definitely brother and sister. Thing is, I can't think of a way that the two of them would ever discover this on their own... Maybe an other knows and tells them... after all, they seem to know everything about everyone. It's also possible that Claire could spill it. She does know who her dad was, doesn't she? Her BF references him in season 1, afterall.

  • March 14, 2007, 12:11 p.m. CST

    OK CorpseRide. LOL.

    by PwnedByStallone

    I guess I could buy that. BTW what does the title of this episode mean? Anyone know?

  • March 14, 2007, 12:13 p.m. CST

    doesn't it mean: "by plane"?

    by Novaman5000

    I don't speak a lick of french, but that seems to be the obvious translation. Am I wrong?<p> And ATARI, if you're going to knock the show, at least try to be original. "People are still watching this show?" is friggin tired. #23 in the ratings on a bad day, fuck yes people are still watching this show.

  • March 14, 2007, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Yes ATARI

    by arcade fireman

    about 13 million people (according to Nielsen) plus the millions that DVR it or watch on ABC.com or download at iTunes. So yes, people still watch.

  • March 14, 2007, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Oh its easy that Claire and Jack are silbings

    by godzillasushi

    over 80%

  • March 14, 2007, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Altavista confirms it.

    by Novaman5000

    "by plane".

  • March 14, 2007, 12:15 p.m. CST

    HERC IS A TYPER OF LIES!!

    by TheJake

    Planet of the Apes collection for $25.47? Um, no. Try $37.99. Your prices are out of date mofo. Either that or you just did it on purpose to get 3 cents per click from Amazon.com or something.

  • March 14, 2007, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Novaman

    by PwnedByStallone

    It's possible Desmond knows somehow about Jack and Claire. The dude is clairvoyant.

  • March 14, 2007, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Finally

    by kbaker13

    I have been bored as hell all day waiting to get into the Lost tb, finally. Can't wait for tonights episode so I can see Patchy get fried.

  • March 14, 2007, 12:16 p.m. CST

    Jack and Claire

    by arcade fireman

    are definately half bro & sis. What other reason does Christian Shepard have to be in a Claire flashback episode? And I'll bet that we'll learn soon that the "real Sawyer" is in fact Locke's dad Anthony Cooper. What I want to know (SPOILER ALERT) is how Patchy has a fleeting memory of John Locke before the crash? That should be interesting!

  • March 14, 2007, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Par Avion

    by PwnedByStallone

    I'm sure you all know this but it is French for "By Plane". I'll shut up now.

  • March 14, 2007, 12:24 p.m. CST

    TASG

    by kbaker13

    Who was he in 300? The tall guy with all the jewlery that gets caried around? I thought that guy was black?

  • March 14, 2007, 12:24 p.m. CST

    I'm hoping there's a mjor twist tonight...

    by CorpseRide

    ...and Jack and Claire aren't siblings. That would rule, just totally out of the blue to suddenly reveal that Claire wasn't fathered by Christian. Will the writers have the balls to make that move? Probably not, but I'm sure it'll be fun anyway.... </p>Looking fwd to the Penelope-rific season ender, anyway. Better than the big "we nicked it from Watchmen" reveal that Heroes has planned, ugh.

  • March 14, 2007, 12:37 p.m. CST

    Next week! This shits getting good! (Minor Spoiler)

    by kbaker13

    Lostpedia describes next weeks ep as a Ben and Lock confrontation in which Ben tries to persuade Lock to call off the search in exchange for some island secrets. This will be freaking awesome. I hope this was meant to be at not just a way to feed the crying bitches some answers. I just hope its not forced.

  • March 14, 2007, 12:40 p.m. CST

    So....

    by EyeofPolyphemus

    Jack and Claire are siblings, the grown up Aaron is Claire's baby all grown up who wants Uncle Jack to be head of the Others. uh...I do not see where a Jacob comes in, but who knows.

  • March 14, 2007, 12:43 p.m. CST

    I read that exchange island secrets bit, too, and...

    by Novaman5000

    I'm cautious, because such language in a synopsis could cause the haters to cry foul when it's over (as if they didn't already) that nothing was really answered. Cautiously optimistic that the island secret we get is a good'un.

  • March 14, 2007, 12:43 p.m. CST

    "It's a male plane,"

    by purplemonkeydw

    "you can tell by its little balls". - Ned Niederlander

  • March 14, 2007, 12:43 p.m. CST

    "people are still watching this show?"

    by slone13

    Douchebags are still posting assinine questions like that?

  • March 14, 2007, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Juliet

    by kbaker13

    Has anyone considered the fact that the Others were never planing to kill Juliet and that the whole "trial" was a set up for Jack. They wanted to see just how far is loyalties lied with her and what he would do if he thought she was in danger. This is why they just let him out of his cage and run around with Alex (weren't they worried about him escaping?). Also this could be why the flight attendant (her name escapes me now) told him they were there to watch, meaning they were there to see how Jack has given in and is trusting and Other. This could have been done to break moral to show the Losties leader is weak. Let me know what you think.

  • March 14, 2007, 12:45 p.m. CST

    One final prediction on what's going on...

    by biggles2_22

    ...before this fine show gets cancelled, gulp, next season. The survivors are all previous members of the cult known as The Others. They've had implanted memories and they've been programmed to respond to a series of numbers for guidance back to the island. Enjoy this show while you can because things are going to move VERY fast when it returns from it's FINAL hiatus.

  • March 14, 2007, 12:49 p.m. CST

    par avion doesnt exactly mean by plane

    by aestheticity

    i mean it does, it EXACTLY means by plane, but what is used for is air mail. which is *MILD SPOILER* claires big idea this episode. catch seabirds and strap messages to em.<p><p>i have a feeling the promos for this ep really hacked around the footage for dramatic effect. i wouldnt be surprised if it plays out different than the promos had you believe.

  • March 14, 2007, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Tailies

    by Lando Griffin

    Remember them? Just asking.

  • March 14, 2007, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Next time you want to label something Major Spoilers...

    by J-Dizzle

    ..put the label in regular text NOT invisiotext you dumbass! The key is to warn the reader BEFORE not after he/she has highlighted the invisiotext.

  • March 14, 2007, 12:53 p.m. CST

    purplemonkeydw

    by PwnedByStallone

    Umm...thanks Amigo.

  • March 14, 2007, 12:54 p.m. CST

    ATARI is still posting here?

    by J-Dizzle

  • March 14, 2007, 12:56 p.m. CST

    Mr. Mcpoops

    by Yogsoggoth

    I remember the Tailies as those characters whose contribution to the story was nothing and therefore proof that the writers were making the show up as they went along.

  • March 14, 2007, 12:58 p.m. CST

    Yeah lando, like the tailies we saw 2 weeks ago?

    by Novaman5000

    I think it's pretty laughable how people refer to the tailies as though they were completely pointless. <p>1) we saw ALOT more of the monster through eko, through his brother's backstory, as well as found the "?" station <p> 2) we gained this whole connection to the widmores though libby (who's story is not over). She also gave Hurley hope, saved his life at the cliff's edge. <p>3) bernard and rose got back together! <p>4) Ana Lucia and Libby's murder were a huge turning point for Michael as well as the rest of the castaways <p>5) Ekos faith led locke to question is own... His stick led Locke to the flame, his building of a church led charlie to rethink the path he was on.<p> The children and Cindy are still alive, and they've been assimilated into the others. How and why remains to be seen. Granted, I, too, found it annoying that they were killed off so quickly, but they were not without their impact. We learned more of the overall Island story through them, and we also got some pretty compelling characters/backstories/connections out of it, too. It would have been nice to see them stick around a bit longer, but they were far from pointless.

  • March 14, 2007, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Yay, another "Day One" rehash with TASG's POV.

    by SpyGuy

    Cool, let's rehash "Day One" YET AGAIN so we can see Boone, Shannon and Artz again. I can't see why people criticize this show for not moving forward... <p>Maybe if we're really lucky, we'll get another flashback about Jack's tattoo.</p>

  • March 14, 2007, 1:08 p.m. CST

    Tailies served thier purpose

    by PwnedByStallone

    Man I'm tired of people bitching about the tail section survivors and how they're all dead. A. They're not (Bernard) and B. Who gives a fuck? They were introduced to establish just how fucking nuts the Others are. Kidnapping and murder. Mission accomplished. Libby? She'll be back in flashback. MRod? She had to die for Michael to get Walt. Eko? His story reached its conclusion and the actor wanted to leave. So deal with it.

  • March 14, 2007, 1:19 p.m. CST

    emeraldboy you talkin bout "the thompsons!"

    by white owl

    the one where Homer becomes quarterback for the denver broncos?

  • March 14, 2007, 1:27 p.m. CST

    I'm as dumb as Locke...

    by Billyeveryteen

    I would've pressed 77, and waited to be rescued.<p>Probably try to find more games on that Commedore 64. Then BOOM.

  • March 14, 2007, 1:54 p.m. CST

    hmmm

    by dodgethis

    Anybody think they are setting up this tension between Locke and Sayid so that Sayid will kill Locke at the end of the season. I know the actor that plays Locke has expressed disdain for the actions his character has taken. As goofy as Locke as been portrayed lately, though, I would still hate to see Lost with no Locke.

  • March 14, 2007, 1:55 p.m. CST

    The clip ABC posted with Patchy talking with

    by Novaman5000

    the search party looks promising, though it raises the question- I thought kate WAS on the list?

  • March 14, 2007, 1:56 p.m. CST

    The cat is the smoke monster!

    by Novaman5000

    Everything's solved!

  • March 14, 2007, 2:04 p.m. CST

    EVERYONE IS SIBLINGS! YES! MAJOR SPOILER!!!

    by Mogwai Democracy

    By the end of this season, it will be revealed that everyone is related to everyone else, and that they are, in fact, an island of inbreeds.<br><br>The resulting mental retardation from this scenario will explain the stupid behavior of the castaways, and their seeming inability to communicate with one another or ask obvious questions of the others, such as "WHO ARE YOU & WHAT ARE YOU DOING HERE??!"<br><br>The big reveal of the season 3 finale will be that the kidnapped children being held by the Others are actually the entire cast AS CHILDREN!! Jack will stumble upon the room where the children are being held, and realize there is a baby Jack, baby Kate, fat baby Hurley, etc.<br><br>Starting with season 4, the show will be retitled "LOST: BABIES", focusing entirely on the children & their Hijinx on the island. Ratings will soar as millions tune in to see what those adorable little moppets will do next.<br><br>The show will finally be cancelled in season 14. The final episode will conclude with baby Vincent pissing on bald baby Lockes head after mistaking him for a fire hydrant.

  • March 14, 2007, 2:05 p.m. CST

    kbaker

    by leesheri

    Your theory that the others were breaking the Losties leader gave me goose bumps.

  • March 14, 2007, 2:08 p.m. CST

    Libby?

    by kbaker13

    Novaman, what was Libby's connection to the Widmores? I seem to have forgot about that part.

  • March 14, 2007, 2:12 p.m. CST

    ohh that may have been speculation-

    by Novaman5000

    I might be confusing that with spec but i remember reading somewhere that someone said libby was connected with widmore. I believe through her husband.<p> And MOGWAI, i don't know if you're going to be watching tonight, but expect Kate to ask patchy those very questions tonight.

  • March 14, 2007, 2:13 p.m. CST

    As for the title, I think a better translation might by

    by Novaman5000

    "by air", talking about claire's bird plan

  • March 14, 2007, 2:21 p.m. CST

    novaman

    by leesheri

    wasn't that implied (libby connected to the Whidmores) in the book they released during the summer, "Bad twin" or something like that?

  • March 14, 2007, 2:26 p.m. CST

    maybe that where it was, Leesheri

    by Novaman5000

    I guess it was never explicitly stated on the show. Still, Look for her to be connected with some important characters on the island... The writers have said that her backstory is intertwined with people on the island we haven't met yet.

  • March 14, 2007, 2:40 p.m. CST

    Tailies (cont.)

    by Lando Griffin

    God damn look at the wrath I incurred for asking a simple question/making an observation. Don't lump me in with any haters, I still like the show but to me, at least, it seemed like the MAIN Tailies (Libby, AnaL, Eko) were destined for more than what they were given. Either through the writing or their off screen debacles were too quickly discarded. I liked the story of the Tailies and thought it was some of the best parts of season 2. And the quick little dose of the flight attendant and the kids were not enough to satisfy my Tailie fix. I want more Eko, I wanted to know more about Libby and even though we got some closure on Ana-L it would've been nice to have her stick around a little longer. Instead the MAIN Tailies are now just memories. I understand those of you stating the obvious - that "they served their purpose", it doesn't change the fact that I, personally, would have liked to have seen more of them. So take the obvious, extreme defensiveness and shove it up your tailies.

  • March 14, 2007, 2:41 p.m. CST

    Nikki Paulo Question

    by brunowilis

    Does anyone out there think that these two are the skeletons that the found in season 1 in the cave? I have not seen anyone on here mention this before, so excuse me in advance if someone else mentioned it before ........

  • March 14, 2007, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Novaman5000

    by Strabo

    1) We've learned that the Smoke Monster can apparently appear as people and perhaps cats, that it can show you images from your past and future, and that it can kill you. Yay. We still have no idea what the fuck it is, what it's doing, or where it came from. So, we learned nothing about it through it's interactions with Eko that we couldn't have learned from any other character. And The Pearl station? yee fucking haa. We already knew that the island was a big psychology experiment _before_ they introduced The Pearl. We have learned nothing from the discovery of The Pearl. 2) Libby's connection to the Widmores? Yeah. Hurley? Has Hurley done _anything_ useful in the entire history of the show? I was praying that they'd fucking kill him along with Charlie in the van. 3) Hooray! Bernard and Rose are back together! Wait, have they even had five lines since their flashback episode? 4) Oh, so you're admitting that they served as fodder to get rid of even more characters? Thanks for agreeing with us. 5) Oh, well, that's wonderful. Eko served to create some of the horrible mischaracterizations of Locke that pissed the rest of us off. Ohh, his stick led us to The Flame where, unbelievably, once again, we LEARNED NOTHING OF SUBSTANCE. Charlie? He's as fucking useless as Hurley. I can't wait for them to kill him in the next few weeks. The tailies were useless. They were a diversion to further drag out the story.

  • March 14, 2007, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Ekos purpose and answers

    by leesheri

    His story ended early because the actor wanted out to do some movie. The writers were very disappointed. We learned with the Eko story line that te smoke monster kills people when they are "bad". Eko tried to justify his lifestyle (killing etc), and it took his butt out. Last episode we saw the smoke monster appear as a cat (anyone remember the horse and the boar for Kate and Sawyer hint freakin' hint) watching Sayid. Sayid didn't kill patch guy and so he passed that test, unlike Eko. I am willing to bet that we are supposed to understand that if Sayid had killed that man that the cat would have gone smoke monster and gone psycho on his butt along with everyone in that group. In order to understand this show you have to relate things. A lot of people are not remembering things from the previous seasons so they feel like they are not getting any answers. They are there, not the big ones, but you have to know how to look for them or have a good memory. I apologize for run on sentences etc. ;)

  • March 14, 2007, 2:54 p.m. CST

    Thanks, Capn Jack!

    by biggles2_22

    Couldn't have lived without ruining the episode could ya'?

  • March 14, 2007, 2:55 p.m. CST

    The Cat...

    by killing joker

    Was not the smoke monster. When he first appears the Russian obviously treats him as a pet who he has seen before. Why would the smoke monster hang around him in a guise from Sayids past. Think people

  • March 14, 2007, 2:55 p.m. CST

    ugh...

    by Strabo

    I for got BRs. Sorry for the unreadable mess of text. Hey AICN Admins, do you think you could at least give us PRE tags around our fucking posts so we can at least use line breaks? Maybe?

  • March 14, 2007, 2:56 p.m. CST

    EyeofPolyphemus

    by SPECTRE007

    What was that you said? "The Grown up Aaron?" I can't remember another Aaron besides little Aussie Island Baby. But what a concept: The Others are the grown up descendents of flight 815. Very time-travel cyclical crazy.

  • March 14, 2007, 2:59 p.m. CST

    leesheri

    by Strabo

    Yeah, the smoke monster has been a few things. Sawyer's boar. Kate's horse. Jack's dad. Hurley's crazy friend. Whatever. The smoke monster is just some giant amorphous deus ex machina for the writers to feed us whatever bullshit they come up with on their all-night Mountain Dew-fueled masturbation sessions.

  • March 14, 2007, 3:05 p.m. CST

    Strabo, I'm not here to make you like the show,

    by Novaman5000

    So don't think I'm attempting to sway people who are dissatisfied with the show. But, if you think that seeing the smoke monster scan Eko's memories wasn't a revelation about how it works, there's really not much else to say, is there?<p> I do think, however, that you've mistaken ISLAND REVELATIONS as the only things of SUBSTANCE on the show. You're way off on this point. The tailies were big in terms of furthering character development in the story (though I maintain they moved the island story along as well).

  • March 14, 2007, 3:06 p.m. CST

    The cat...

    by CorpseRide

    ...could totally have been the smoke monster. If Desmond can travel in time i'm sure ol' Smokey can. Just go back a couple of months an ingratiate yourself with Patchy, waitin' for Sayid to show up.... that's one *devious* amorphous cypher!

  • March 14, 2007, 3:07 p.m. CST

    And lando, didn't mean to come off as defensive,

    by Novaman5000

    You just happen to have said the same thing that is repeated by one person or another on here every week, and i was just commenting on how i thought it wasn't true that they were pointless.

  • March 14, 2007, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Novaman5000

    by Strabo

    Oh no, trust me, I love shows based on character development. The problem is that Lost isn't supposed to be one of those shows. It is primarily a plot-based show. The writers, however, have been writing long character arcs that, in many cases, have no point in order to avoid making any progress in furthering the plot.

  • March 14, 2007, 3:24 p.m. CST

    The cat is NOT the monster.

    by PwnedByStallone

    They were two different cats people. Sayid just got spooked by it because it reminded him of a dark point in his past. Jesus! Sometimes people overanalyze this shit ans start bitchig nabout shit. Take a pill before you go nuts.

  • March 14, 2007, 3:44 p.m. CST

    Pwned, pretty sure the writers said that the cat WAS

    by Novaman5000

    the monster, actually. Who knows, though. There are bigger mysteries than that friggin cat!

  • March 14, 2007, 3:53 p.m. CST

    Cap'n Jack

    by biggles2_22

    Couldn't help it. You posted it in plain site. Stool-pusher.

  • March 14, 2007, 3:58 p.m. CST

    Jack's tattoo is the Smoke Monster!

    by PwnedByStallone

    Just a revelation I had.

  • March 14, 2007, 4:02 p.m. CST

    Locke has no Cock!

    by SeymourClearly

    Just speculation.

  • March 14, 2007, 4:07 p.m. CST

    I tend to agree the cat...

    by Childe Roland

    ...isn't the smoke monster but, rather, a coincidence. Which bodes well for the future of the island (which, to this point, has seemed to be a coincidence free zone where everything means something and, frankly, that starts to wear thin). I've got to disagree that the tailies were very worthwhile in general. Eko was a fantastic character and I didn't even mind the way he died...had that death been sometime later in the show after he'd had more of an impact on solving some of the island's mystical mysteries (which was kind of his role, Friday to Locke's Caruso). Ana was ultimately a waste of time other than providing a convenient means to off Shannon and piss off Sayid. Libby was ultimately pointless (and infinitely more frustrating, due to her pre-island connection to Hurley and seemingly inexplicible romantic interest in him while on the island, both of which were intriguing but went nowhere) except for saving Hurley, whose point was apparently to start an old van. Rose and Bernard? Well, that's a downright sweet story I was glad I saw. What the hell have they been up to since? I'm forgiving the show for the way it handled the tailies because it's recaptured my interest with Desmond and, to a lesser extent, the way it's handled Jack and Sayid this season. I also love Take a Shit Guy, who has rapidly become my hero. So I'm not a hater, but I'm not a blind lover, either. Oh, and whoever claimed we now know something about how the smoke monster works (i.e. the sifting through memories) while I tend to think it does possess that ability, I don't think the show itself has made this clear at all. That's pure speculation and it's speculation I've indulged in since season one, so you can't really thank Eko for that.

  • March 14, 2007, 4:25 p.m. CST

    Hey Cap'n, uh, I mean Ass-Cap'n

    by biggles2_22

    Look, Ass-Cap'n, there's lots of people who could post episode recaps before they air here in the US. Yeah, I could choose not to read it, but you posted in a TB so wether I'm reading above your post or below it, I'm still looking at it, Ass-Cap'n. So how's about you stop being a jerk?

  • March 14, 2007, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Drop Box - great idea and I'm sure it's fantastic BUT

    by Trader Groucho 2

    it's unfortunately a hair dated. Who rents VHS any more?

  • March 14, 2007, 4:39 p.m. CST

    If the smoke monster wasn't the cat

    by leesheri

    was the smokemonster the horse that Kate and Sawyer saw in the jungle? The horse also appeared in Kates flashback. <BR> As for Patch talking about the cat as if it were his own... couldn't he have been covering for it, because he knows what it is and what it is capable of? Am I really reading too much into it or are others just not as perceptive as they ought to be?<br> I was just trying to help by pointing out the obvious. I mean no offense to anyone and I certainly am taking no offense. <BR>When I am proved right at the end of the season or the beginning of next I am going to refer to this conversation and everyone will draw a blank again. lol

  • March 14, 2007, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Think I'll watch the Mavs/suns instead

    by zer0cool2k2

    This ep sounds too venomy! I will DVR it though.

  • March 14, 2007, 4:52 p.m. CST

    **SPOILER** How Locke ends up losing his legs!!!

    by Mel Gibsteinberg

    So Locke was getting all dressed up to meet his lady friend at the movies, see, and he had lost his license that day because he had argued with the DMV for some reason, so anyway he has to rely on public transportation. So he has to walk like 10 city blocks, at night, all the way to the bus stop. Then he rides the bus all by his lonesome all the way to the movies and then he realizes that he forgot to pick up his gal. To make matters worse, when he gets to the ticket window, and I mean like right as he gets there (like you know puts his face up to the ticket window) the dick behind the counter flips a big brash sign that says “SOLD OUT!” right into his face. This makes him really sad and he begins to pout, and it’s also odd because he thought this was a 30-plex, but apparently all the screens were showing Wild Hogs and this was in Bakersfield, so naturally, no luck Locke, once again you got pwned. So then he has to ride the bus all the way back by his lonesome, and then slowly walk all the way back to his crummy apartment, and all the while this really sad violin music is playing and making you feel sorry for him. But then in the next scene, he totally remembers he can order movie tickets online, SWEET, this is great! So the next night we see Locke as he combs back his fading gray hair, puts on a smart bow tie and his favorite old man sweater jacket, and does the two step out his front door. They don’t show you the scene where he still has to take the bus, cause c’mon this is all about feeling good, no one will feel good thinking about having to take the bus anywhere, so anyway, yeah, he gets there and is dancing like the old man fool that is (I mean he is just SO HAPPY he has decided to order tickets online) and he has his gal on his arm and tickets in his hand, and even smiles and winks at the ticket taker as he strolls into the movie. The retarded ticket taker (and of course I mean retarded as in unbelievably dumb and criminally stupid, not as in mentally challenged, that would be mean) gives good ole Locke the thumbs up and A-Okay signals, all at the same time (did I mention this dude is a dunce) but everything is honky dory, and Locke gets to enjoy the movie on time. So that’s pretty much my theory, oh yeah some other stuff happens on the island, Hurley says “dude” and some stuff like that happens. And then, oh yeah, at the very end, almost like an after thought, when the movie is over Locke gets hit by a stray bullet in a drive by meant for the idiot ticket taker (apparently he shoved that same “SOLD OUT” sign one too many times in people’s faces, and he pissed off the wrong dude) and loses his ability to walk again. Realizing he’s a gimp, and not that same snazzy, feel good, dancin’ man she once loved, his lady leaves him. THE END.

  • March 14, 2007, 5:12 p.m. CST

    At this point

    by Dapper Swindler

    It would be shocking to find out Jack and Claire are NOT half-siblings

  • March 14, 2007, 5:37 p.m. CST

    I am a stabbing robot. I will stab you!

    by snowpuff

    They give clues to Lost on 30 Rock.

  • March 14, 2007, 5:37 p.m. CST

    Um, ahole...

    by Childe Roland

    ...you know that's not how the burden of proof works, right?<p>We don't need to prove people (or cats) innocent beyond a reasonable doubt.<p>The burden of proof is on the prosecution or, in this case, those accusing this innocent cat of being the smoke monster despite the alibi supplied by patchy.<p>Unless we woke up in colonial Salem this morning, I think you should be more concerned about the evidence you've supplied linking the cat to the smoke monster. So far you've got Sayid having a flashback of a cat and being uncomfortable around this one, which is physically different from the one in his flashback. Pretty weak case, actually.<p>By your logic, Santa and Satan would be the same guy simply because you never see them together and they both wear red and have facial hair.

  • March 14, 2007, 5:38 p.m. CST

    jeez guys, i'm "calm".

    by Novaman5000

    You'd think i was ranting here. Plus, i said it WAS the cat. And I used no exclaimation points. <p> ANYWAY, childe, there was absolutely no proof nor reason to suspect that the monster scanned your brain and saw your memories before we saw it to it to Eko in the jungle. That's SOMETHING, anyway.

  • March 14, 2007, 5:41 p.m. CST

    As for the cat, my main reason for thinking it was

    by Novaman5000

    the monster was that i could have sworn it was referenced outside of the show, either by the writers or by a michael ausiello type spoiler person. I think i'll survive if it just ended up being a simple cat.<p> It could be that these things are signs from the universe that are telling the losties they're on the right path. <p> or it could all be coincidence.

  • March 14, 2007, 5:44 p.m. CST

    ALSO- slight spoiler

    by Novaman5000

    Patchy reveals tonight that he knows who everyone is. He knows their names, etc, and has actually met one of them before. One has to wonder if he didn't deliberately name that cat nadia to fuck with sayid. He said he named it after the gymnast but, he's not exactly the most trustworthy guy. What if the others can MAKE memories of the losties reality?

  • March 14, 2007, 5:48 p.m. CST

    I'm going to disallow Novaman's testimony...

    by Childe Roland

    ...re: the cat on the grounds that it is hearsay and, therefore, inadmissable.<p>;)<p>Seriously, though, Nova, did we actually see Ol' Smoky scan Eko's memories? I thought all we saw was the smoke monster assuming the shape of his brother. It's been a while since I saw that episode, so I could easily be overlooking something.

  • March 14, 2007, 5:51 p.m. CST

    Childe...

    by -guyinthebackrow

    Yes. We saw smokey download (or whatever) Eko's memories.

  • March 14, 2007, 5:53 p.m. CST

    yeah childe- in ekos first flashback,

    by Novaman5000

    the camera swings THROUGH the smoke as it's staring him down. In HD it's quite clear that his memories are flashing inside the smoke. We saw alot of images, some from that episodes flashback, and some from the following eko ep's flashbacks. There are plenty of stills online of the scene, too, if you're interested.

  • March 14, 2007, 6:06 p.m. CST

    Par Avion

    by Alonzo Mosely

    I know it has been mentioned but it has a very precise meaning. When I was a kid in the UK I was taught to write 'By Air/Par Avion' on any letter being sent abroad, to indicate it was (a) Going abroad and (b) being sent the quick rather than the slow method...

  • March 14, 2007, 6:09 p.m. CST

    smokey

    by leesheri

    was also in Lockes dreams during that Eko episode. Unless Locke is psychic too.

  • March 14, 2007, 6:10 p.m. CST

    look at strabo everybody

    by aestheticity

    and piss on him. piss in his hair and his mouth. hes here every week doing the same thing. tosser.

  • March 14, 2007, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Looking forward to tonights episode

    by Bloo

    I agree that it will be shocking if jack and Claire are not related<p> on other notes I still saw that this show is about redemtion the quest for it or the lack of it...Ana L and Eko couldn't find redemtion Sayid is Hurly has (by making his own luck not the numbers)...that is why the others save the children because they are innocent...Juliet's trial a test to see how Jack would respond. This is all a religious allegory I tells ya...but that's just my opinion <p> although someone postulated a thoery above that the Others are actually desendts of the 815ers which I don't know aout THAT but Jack COULD be short for Jacob, i'm not saying it is all I'm saying is that it COULD be

  • March 14, 2007, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Hey Everett

    by Bloo

    moron, learn how to type. Spell correctly. Use proper puncuation.<p>idiot<p>ok that's out of the way re: my post

  • March 14, 2007, 7:10 p.m. CST

    South Park TB

    by ElPaw

    Why no?

  • March 14, 2007, 7:11 p.m. CST

    "No, really, I'm quite alright..."

    by David Lazarus Long

    "BUT YOU'RE IN MORTAL PERIL!!" <p> Oh, Python. You make me laugh. Ok, now to scroll up and read all the shit that came before. Tonight should be cool tho. As if anyone with a brain doesn't know what the 'shocking connection' is. Didn't we basically know that like... A year ago? Well, I guess there's no accounting for the general populace's ignorance. <p> I really do wish whoever writes the voiceover for the promos would walk in front of traffic. Does that sound harsh? Well, fuck'em if they can't take a joke.

  • March 14, 2007, 7:39 p.m. CST

    Satan has facial hair?

    by David Lazarus Long

    I swear it looked like the cat in the final scene (yea, yea, I'm bringing up the damn cat again - chill =P) was wearing a collar, but now that I went back it doesn't seem to. I'd be hesitant to say it was DEFINITELY Smokey, but... it's possible. <p> See, I've always believed Smokey was an experimental security system that somehow achieved artificial intelligence, which would have caused the 'incident' in 1985. Since then, it's been wandering the Island looking for playmates, but unfortunately the little rascal has a bit of a temper and doesn't always play nice. It just doesn't seem to have any kind of... I don't want to say 'purpose', but it doesn't seem to be doing anything SPECIFIC. It just kinda... fucks with people. Tests them. Sees how they react to different stimuli, often elements of their past. And then, when it's satisfied, or you piss it off, SMASHY SMASHY! <p> That's always been my theory. And I agree with both Rolande and Nova that yes, I thought it could read thoughts before it read Eko, but that was the first proof (and a wicked badass scene, if I do say so m'self.) <p> WHOOO, NEW DEATH NOTE! Something to occupy me until the main event. <p> Not that talking with you peoples isn't just so much fun. =D

  • March 14, 2007, 7:40 p.m. CST

    *tap tap tap*

    by David Lazarus Long

    Is this thing on?

  • March 14, 2007, 7:49 p.m. CST

    PwnedByStallone, do you see the hypocrisy in saying

    by Bronx Cheer

    <p>"Fuck you Pdorwick" and then complain about haters?</p> <It upsets me when mommy and daddy fight.</p>

  • March 14, 2007, 7:50 p.m. CST

    DLL

    by Bloo

    FREEBIRD!

  • March 14, 2007, 7:54 p.m. CST

    Heh

    by David Lazarus Long

    Only in GH2, my friend.

  • March 14, 2007, 7:56 p.m. CST

    DLL

    by Bloo

    alright *puts the lighter away*<P>that reminds me, is anyone else pissed off that when you go to a concert dumb kids are throwing up their cell phones instead of lighters?

  • March 14, 2007, 7:57 p.m. CST

    mild spoiler but to me the ending was funny as fuck...

    by Walter Crunkite

    TOUCHDOWN!!!!

  • March 14, 2007, 8 p.m. CST

    Cell phone thing

    by David Lazarus Long

    I did that once at a Several Species show. They're a Pink Floyd cover band. Had to let my buddy hear them play 'One of These Days...', although the guy on bass wasn't exactly Roger Waters. Then I shut the phone and proceeded to headbang, as one must. <p> "ONE OF THESE DAYS I'M GOING TO CUT YOU INTO LITTLE PIECES-"

  • March 14, 2007, 8:03 p.m. CST

    ok, that's fine

    by Bloo

    Headbanging is always important. Fast becoming a lost art, I was at a heavy metal show in Denver once and I was wanting to old scholl "BANG MY HEAD" and all these kids were like slamdancing

  • March 14, 2007, 8:15 p.m. CST

    david my view on smokey is similar

    by leesheri

    but I think it does have a purpose. It weeds out the bad ones. I'm bringing up the cat again... our seeing the smoke monster portray things from peoples past is important. It shows us its purpose. It is helping people see the error of their ways and in Ekos case he tried to justify his murdering spree. That was the wrong answer hence the harsh end. I promise not to bring up the cat again, until I am proven right and then all I will say is, "In yo' face suckas!"(or if someone asks me too explain)

  • March 14, 2007, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Fuck those punk kids

    by David Lazarus Long

    they don't know how to appreciate music since they've been getting it for free their entire adult lives.

  • March 14, 2007, 8:23 p.m. CST

    leesheri

    by David Lazarus Long

    It's definitely possible that it does have some kind of motivation for it's actions, but I haven't seen any clear cut examples is all. <p> Damn, now I've thought of something that backs you up. Haha. I hate when I discredit my own theories. <p> So, when it appeared as Jack's dad and led him off the cliff, maybe it was trying to tell him he needs to "Let it go" and stop following his guilt about his dad, or else he'd end up the same? =D <p> But I still kinda prefer the 'Lost Child' explanation, that it's just a frightened, innocent mind in a body that happens to be able to morph shapes, scan memories and smash people into island juice. All it wants is a friend. Poor Smokey!

  • March 14, 2007, 8:30 p.m. CST

    We actually see many examples of smokey

    by leesheri

    helping people exercise their demons. Jack and his father. Sawyer and the boar "it'll come back around" spooky whisper. Kate and the horse same episode it went into Sawyer, possibly, and talked as though he were possessed with her fathers ghost. Boone and his obsession with his stepsister. Eko and his brother. Hurley and Dave.

  • March 14, 2007, 8:45 p.m. CST

    They will kill Nikki and/or Paulo in their flashback

    by Drath

    Like the tailies, I think these guys are mostly here to get offed. We might learn something interesting along the way (or more likely, get new questions we didn't have before), but mainly I think they're there to give us more shocking deaths. The fact that so many dead supporting characters will guest star only makes me expect it more. And for those defending the premature end of the tailies, I just don't like that they nearly all are dead when more could/should have happened with them. Certainly Anna Lucia was built up for something more than what they did with her. I know the real probable reason for that (we think), but that doesn't make it less of a let down after so much build up. In the end I feel like they were brought in just so they could be killed and we'd get the "ooooh, they KILLED regulars" shocks. Anything they did with Eko was cut short by his death. Now that he's gone, most of it has forgotten for who knows how long. I didn't feel his effect on the other Survivors, and I suspect it'll remain forgotten until they need to throw us another bone to get us excited. But come on, Hurley losing Libby is at best depressing. For the most part, you don't feel she had any effect on anything except to add to the depressing nature of Hurley which sucks since he used to be relief from the shittiness of the situation. And the big reunion of Jack and Anna Lucia and her killing Shannon...that stuff REALLY went nowhere. Now Jack has this thing with Juliet, but you know that too will end with her "shocking" death and she'll be forgotten as well until someone wants to get clever and remark how Jack always loses the ones he cares about (and we're supposed to go "ooo, that's RIGHT, he DOES loes everybody!") The more they make you wait for a pay off, the more anticlimactic it often is. I don't know why I should care about Jack's Tattoo now more than ever! They wasted an hour on something I was maybe kinda curious about two years ago when I saw he had one. If I'd known they'd waste an flashback on the fucking thing I'd have pretending it wasn't there! And the stewardess and Taily kids turning up among the Others was also worthless since that's about what anyone with a brain assumed they would be like given what we already knew. I'd have been more curious to know what was up with the kid with the teddy bear walking in the jungle last year and Eko hiding from it like he knew the kid was dangerous...what the hell was that? And it's been so long, I don't even care as much about that now as I did then. The more they stretch things out, the greater the apathy for the answers. If they make it feel as though the reason for Locke being in the chair really NEEDED to be where it is, I might be more forgiving. At this point the only reason I can see for it taking this long is to make up for the fact that the guy has been so fucking boring this year and barely shown. Suspense can be overplayed, and I think that's what a lot of LOST fans are feeling and I don't think that's their fault. It's the risk the showrunners have taken with their format, and it's taking it's toll on their fandom, and they should consider that maybe it's becuase the approach is flawed and not because people are all just used to instant gratification. There's pandering to the ADD crowd, and then there's just stretching something out so you don't have to make good on your promises (and can suck more money off it in the process). New mysteries are being introduced, which would normally be good, but with so many others left to dangle, we're starting to lose our enthusiasm for mysteries we know probably won't get addressed for another year.

  • March 14, 2007, 8:48 p.m. CST

    Tonight;s Episode - Finally

    by Itchy

    MORE CLAIRE. Just don't let her talk too much or scream about the dingos eating her baby. I'm looking forward to it. Especially the Goth Claire. I'd fuck the brooding right out of that tight, black haired little ass. And then my manager at Cinnabon would give me a raise.

  • March 14, 2007, 8:57 p.m. CST

    But

    by David Lazarus Long

    I don't think the 'Whispers' are part of the system. I think that's the third group, the indigo children with the crazy mind powers that were dragging around the old teddy bear. <p> Mark my words. Show time!

  • March 14, 2007, 9:27 p.m. CST

    patchy is having a seizure!

    by white owl

    look at the blood flow! haha!

  • March 14, 2007, 9:30 p.m. CST

    You aren't on the list...

    by SwiftCrusader

    Ah....I suspect Linderman is behind the Dharma Initiative,

  • March 14, 2007, 9:36 p.m. CST

    Christina Kim written episodes have poor talkbacks

    by Guerilla_Films

    Jack's episode a few weeeks back...tonight's episode...I really think fanboys have a problem with chick writers. Maybe you aren't as enlightened as we though! :) (irony)

  • March 14, 2007, 9:38 p.m. CST

    hmmm

    by purplemonkeydw

    I am starting to put more stock in the 'they're dead' theory. Dharma initiative appears to have been abandoned (right way of living or proper conduct), and now there's a list (book of life?). Dead Dead Dead. Dead as Captain America.

  • March 14, 2007, 9:38 p.m. CST

    "Dammit, Jack, I'm a doctor..."

    by alexmac97

    of love

  • March 14, 2007, 9:43 p.m. CST

    "that'll be 10 bucks?"

    by Guerilla_Films

    They say "bucks" in Or-stray-lee-yuh?

  • March 14, 2007, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Claire with black hair

    by Itchy

    is pretty damn hot. I'm kind of surprised.

  • March 14, 2007, 9:46 p.m. CST

    holy crap

    by LordTwinkie

    so how long before Jack/Claire incest fan fic start to come out.

  • March 14, 2007, 9:56 p.m. CST

    wait! if claire's mom was in a coma

    by Guerilla_Films

    who was jack's dad arguing with when he was in australia right before he died???

  • March 14, 2007, 9:57 p.m. CST

    With that long of a note..

    by simpsonsfan

    The bird won't be able to take off under all the wait.

  • March 14, 2007, 9:59 p.m. CST

    SHE'S HIS SISTER AND HIS (OB) PATIENT!

    by Wyatt Wingfoot

    Forget it Jack, it's Dharmatown.

  • March 14, 2007, 9:59 p.m. CST

    Jack's gone gay!

    by Guerilla_Films

    There was some homo-erotic subtext in that last scene. SERIOUSLY.

  • March 14, 2007, 10 p.m. CST

    oh crap john locke preview

    by LordTwinkie

    WARRIOR SUPREME he eats your crap and pisses out bullets!

  • March 14, 2007, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Guerilla_Films

    by LordTwinkie

    maybe jacks dad was arguing with Claire's Aunt.

  • March 14, 2007, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Guerilla Films: Jack's Dad argued with . . .

    by jocutus

    Claire's Mom's Sister. Maybe. She did hate his guts, right?

  • March 14, 2007, 10:04 p.m. CST

    D'oh ! Too Slow!

    by jocutus

    You win this one, Twinkie.

  • March 14, 2007, 10:04 p.m. CST

    we need an island flashback episode

    by Charlie Murphy

    we keep hearing shit about nothing on the island working anymore. let's see a fucking episode of the island's glory days, before the dharma initiative went tits up. also, the jack-claire brother/sister thing is cool in my books, but it would have been better if him and claire had been getting it on for two and a half seasons and the audience knows that they are related but they still don't. i think that would be some pretty interesting and fucked up television. oh yeah and that ending was sah-weeeet!

  • March 14, 2007, 10:06 p.m. CST

    Lost is Back!!

    by ImpulsiveIdeas

    Anyone who is not on board after this week's episode is a fool. I'll admit the last couple weeks have been slow, but this week's episode was awesome -- A LOT was revealed and there is the promise of next week's Locke reveal.

  • March 14, 2007, 10:06 p.m. CST

    ending

    by MeshGearFoxx

    great ending to the episode. nice little mindfuck. Me thinks Lost has picked up nicely the last few weeks. Looking forward to Locke's episode.

  • March 14, 2007, 10:07 p.m. CST

    Ok, I'm convince more than ever that

    by TVguy4566

    Danielle Rousseau is an Other and more than likely married to Ben. Tonight sealed the deal for me because of two things - the obvious one is that she never asked about Alex to Kate because she knows all about her and the other when she interrupted Patch Guy right before he could reveal that Locke was paralyzed (as if she wanted to stop him before he revealed too much). I have thought this ever since Ben started to call Alex his daughter because it was too convient that Rousseau would deliver Ben to Sayid. Also, there has never been a Ben or Rousseau flashback and Ben only appeared in one flashback and that was a flashback of when Claire was abducted on the island. Rousseau took off when they reached the Flame Station as if she was worried someone would blow her cover. When Sayid called for Danielle after they captured the Patch Guy, the Patch Guy smiled. And Rousseau was adament about killing the Patch Guy eventhough he was the best chance of her finding her daughter. I think her being revealed as an Other will be the big twist in the upcoming weeks.

  • March 14, 2007, 10:08 p.m. CST

    Jack's dad...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    When he hired Ana Lucia to bodyguard for him, he wanted to see Claire one last time. It was Claire's aunt we saw him arguing with, not Claire's mom.

  • March 14, 2007, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Claire's Aunt! Of course!

    by Guerilla_Films

    AW! It's just like Luke Skywalker.

  • March 14, 2007, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Yes, the aunt

    by David Lazarus Long

    That was fan-fucking-tastic. Awesome. In every way. One of the best so far, for sure. And- SHOCK!- a Claire episode that didn't make me want to KILL HER. Not one "MY BABY, OH NO MY BABY" the whole time. Music to my ears. <p> I like how they just let Evangeline be the 'stand-in' for all the stunts. Something crazy? Kate can do it, so that means everyone else has no problem. Sorry Terry, but I don't think you would have been quite to graceful. Damn, that was some fine ass shimmying up that tree. Another reason this episode rocked. Hot goth Claire, Kate ass, where the hell was Nikki to bounce around for me? <p> And damn, didn't the first part with Locke and Sayid sound EXACTLY like this talkback after last week? Right on. And I'm sure it was filmed long before "Enter 77" aired. Word. And you say they don't know their audience. It's just getting into fucking full-on juicy Lostness. Thank ye Jacob, you magnificent bastard, you!

  • March 14, 2007, 10:14 p.m. CST

    TVguy4566

    by Charlie Murphy

    i'm pretty sure you're right on the money. or, you should be, if the writers give a shit about bad-ass twists. i've been a huge fan of this year, and it seems to keep on keepin on, so i have extreme hopes for an awesome locke episode next week.

  • March 14, 2007, 10:14 p.m. CST

    Sorry Haters

    by arcade fireman

    but that scene of Patchy having his brain scrambled by the "sonic weapon security fence" was fuckin' AWESOME!!!! I love this show so much I want to take it ring shopping!

  • March 14, 2007, 10:18 p.m. CST

    Great Ending!!

    by The Alienist

    Perfect Lost ending. Good episode. I'm guessing Sawyer was about to call Claire "Barbie" before Sun reminded him of losing the bet.

  • March 14, 2007, 10:18 p.m. CST

    Fucking Jack is a traitor!!

    by Billyeveryteen

    But Goth Claire is one hot sis.

  • March 14, 2007, 10:19 p.m. CST

    An episode for those that need a map drawn for them

    by leesheri

    Claire really is pretty with black hair. Didn't she mention her mothers opinion about her pregnancy to baby's daddy in her flash back? <BR>This episode really didn't do anything for me, because most of us had already come to the conclusion that Jack and Claire were brother and sister. I am super excited about the Locke episode. Now that episode will answer one of the big questions people kept asking. How did Locke get in that wheel chair?

  • March 14, 2007, 10:20 p.m. CST

    LOCKE?

    by arcade fireman

    All week I thought he blew The Flame Station up by accident and it looks like he knew exactly what he was doing. Maybe playing the chess game didn't blow it up as there were several minutes past and Locke was safely outside. That old coot set the place to blow but he got information from Marvin Candle that we didn't see I'm sure. Can't wait 'til next week!

  • March 14, 2007, 10:20 p.m. CST

    Rousseau

    by The Alienist

    I'm a little confused about Rousseau's reasoning about Alex. Wasn't it just two months ago she had stolen Aaron to trade for Alex?

  • March 14, 2007, 10:21 p.m. CST

    I think lovers and haters can agree...

    by SwiftCrusader

    Goth Claire was pretty damn fine.

  • March 14, 2007, 10:22 p.m. CST

    I don't care about the flashback

    by David Lazarus Long

    Next week I'm down for some ice cold revenge, Locke style. And can't wait to see what Ben will spill to try to weasel out of it. <p> Be the Hunter, John. Be the Hunter.

  • March 14, 2007, 10:24 p.m. CST

    Ok I lied

    by David Lazarus Long

    I can't wait for the wheelchair reveal either, but it looked like he was in some kind of accident and I always hoped it was psychosomatic. ;( <p> But it should be sweet nonetheless.

  • March 14, 2007, 10:24 p.m. CST

    The note . . .

    by jocutus

    The reading of the note on the beach reminded me of the more hopeful endings from season one. Plus, they had Claire write it so she would stop seeming so hopelessly useless (worked for me). Lots of other nice twists. Locke isn't, quite the dumbass he seemed at the end of last episode (BOOM! "Oh, did I do that?"). Jack may not want to be saved. The Others ALL seem to have read complete dossiers on 815ers. Plus, the preview of next week looks sweet!

  • March 14, 2007, 10:26 p.m. CST

    I hope they make Locke a wise badass again

    by BeeDub

    Not like the stooge he's been playing for the past season and a half.

  • March 14, 2007, 10:32 p.m. CST

    Blasted continuity

    by David Lazarus Long

    Hmmm so in 1x10 "Raised by Another", when proposed with the prospect of keeping the baby: <p> Claire: "My mother would disown me!" <p> Tom: "Well, she basically has already." <p> I guess pobody's nerfect, after all. Unless they meant her Aunt or something. Well, they'll fix that on the later DVD sets. o_O; Heh. I shouldn't give this kind of ammo to the people I despise, but truth is truth. <p> They should really just hire me to point out these things before they cause a problem. I'll work for some prime hawaiian bud and all the sun and sand I can handle, reading scripts and watching Lost all day... <p> *sigh* A man can dream, can't he?

  • March 14, 2007, 10:32 p.m. CST

    Great Episode. Even better than last week.

    by clockpolitiks

    Man, I really really enjoyed this episode. Eyepatch man getting fried was insane. The episode overall was really good as well. I'm glad it didn't take forever to reach jack and the others. I'm really looking forward to next week as well. Lost is good again!

  • March 14, 2007, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Rousseau + Locke

    by leesheri

    Maybe she doesn't want to get to know Alex until she knows that Alex wants to get to know her. How heart breaking would it be to know about her, and she turned out to be an "Other" bi--h that hates her mother. Rousseau doesn't know that Alex is actually unhappy with them. I don't think Rousseau is an other, but she is the brunt of many of their jokes. It could also be very frightening, having dreamed of this reunion for so long and it might actually happen.<BR><BR> fireman - I don't know about that. It is possible, but I think that Klue and Patch were there rigging it to blow when our guys showed up. Besides, Sayid and Kate saw the C-4 way before it blew. Locke couldn't have had enough time to set that whole thing up to blow. Patch practically said, "I double dog dare you to try and beat the computer at chess." to Locke. We know they were watching him in the first station and maybe they were hoping to scare the losties off of exploring the island more with another hatch explosion. + They seem to know about everyone and they didn't want the communications officer Sayid fixing the station for the Losties.

  • March 14, 2007, 10:35 p.m. CST

    More Boone!

    by Devil By The Deed

    Guy never should have been killed in the first place.

  • March 14, 2007, 10:36 p.m. CST

    David

    by leesheri

    that was the scene I was referring to. Thanks for saving me from pulling out season one just to find out. ;)

  • March 14, 2007, 10:38 p.m. CST

    HOLY FREAKING CRAP

    by Hyphin

    ...that was one of the best episodes I HAVE EVER SEEN....yes....perhaps a overstatment....and I am just on the post-episode high...but honestly, I have seen every episode and the ending just...was FREAKING perfect. This is what USED to keep all of us coming back next week and thinking about the show all week. JACK WAS FREAKING HAVING FUN!! FUN, WITH THE OTHERS?!

  • March 14, 2007, 10:39 p.m. CST

    That group is perfect

    by David Lazarus Long

    Kate - Just wants Jack, doesn't care about anything else. <p> Sayid - Just wants to get OFF the Island so he can find Nadia and get on with his life. <p> Locke - Wants to make sure he NEVER leaves the Island, and will destroy anything or kill anyone to make sure no one comes. <p> And then there's Rousseau... who would seem to only want her daughter... Until now, at least, she seemed pretty honest... I kinda think she's just realizing what she said.. That even if she meets Alex, there won't be anything there, no love, no familiarity... I definitely think she's a little off her rocker, she might have thought stealing Aaron to trade was a good idea at the time, but now realizes it's sorta futile. <p> Of course, I'm totally down for the 180 of her actually being one of the Others, the first line of defense. But you'd think if that were so, Ben would have mentioned something about her? <p> Ehhhh whatever. I gotta go to sleep. More tomorrow.

  • March 14, 2007, 10:40 p.m. CST

    leesheri

    by TVguy4566

    I felt that Rousseau was backed into a corner by Kate and made up that answer, but then again I was already suspicious of her anyway. But if she real doesn't want to know about her daughter, why is she going to save her? I just think there is too many clues which have been growing exponentially over the last two weeks to suggest at the very least that she and the Others have a much deeper relationship than she is letting on.

  • March 14, 2007, 10:42 p.m. CST

    leesheri

    by David Lazarus Long

    Hence why I have every episode in .avi on my external harddrive. I can jump from "The Moth" to "One of Them" to "Flashes Before Your Eyes" in about 4 seconds. <p> Yea, I'm kinda hardcore like that. o_O;

  • March 14, 2007, 10:44 p.m. CST

    I'm not saying it isn't possible

    by leesheri

    and maybe I am just making excuses because I really like her character. I hope for a happy reunion, and some comeuppance for Ben. How awesome would it be for Alex to find out that Ben was keeping her from her real mother who has been on the same island this whole time? Ben is going to get his butt kicked by Alex and Locke next episode. At least I hope so.

  • March 14, 2007, 10:46 p.m. CST

    Niiiice

    by lordgrimplemort

    I've been getting more and more frustrated this season, but this one was pretty awesome. Goth Claire is, if possible, even hotter than regular Claire. Desmond hasn't given up trying to save Charlie. We get to see the others' alarm system in action, and our heroes finally get to see Othersville. Is Locke turning into a bumbling fool or did he blow up the station and kill the Russian on purpose? How did a strong willed individual like Jack get turned into an others-lover in 2 or 3 days? And will Locke turn traitor when Ben tells him that he's one of the chosen ones on the list? I think Ben will convert him easily. I hope next week is as good as this one.

  • March 14, 2007, 10:46 p.m. CST

    HOT STUFF

    by TheSeeker7

    Hoooooly moly, how fucking HOT did Claire look in her goth get up? Damn I love that look on a cute girl (provided their face isn't *too* pale).

  • March 14, 2007, 10:47 p.m. CST

    The hatch killed Locke's spirit

    by David Lazarus Long

    He doesn't want to help anyone anymore, he just needs to find out why Ben lied to him about the hatch being meaningless. It's become his new obsession. So hopefully after next week, Locke will find whatever he's been searching for and start to think about the bigger picture.

  • March 14, 2007, 10:47 p.m. CST

    David Lazarus Long

    by TVguy4566

    I think if Danielle is truly an Other, Ben would never speak of her at all. The Others are all about misdirections, secrets, and out and out lies. We have basically seen Ben when he is around Tailies except for a handful of scenes. So I don't think we seen many scenes where he would have the opportunity to speak about her. She did capture him and he has never mentioned her since which is a little suspicious in itself.

  • March 14, 2007, 10:52 p.m. CST

    leesheri

    by TVguy4566

    I could be wrong. I am floating the theory out there. I do think the frequency of the hints is leading up to my conclusion, but I may be off. I personally like the idea that she is really an other better. I think that is the out of left field stuff I like about the show. Ben being exposed as a fraud to Alex is the logical conclusion, but I'd rather be hit like a ton of brick and find out that Ben and Danielle are Alex's biological parents and Danielle is an other. Granted, since I would have figured it out kinda takes the fun out of it though.

  • March 14, 2007, 10:55 p.m. CST

    I meant

    by David Lazarus Long

    in the opening of 'Tale of Two Cities' in Otherville. But you make a strong case. Ben could have sent Ethan to see if they would get the faked 'Distress Call', and maybe warn her? So then Ben comes once he has a plan and sends her to get Sayid. She shoots him with the arrow to misdirect them. <p> Clever plan, little sparrow. But I would be sorely disappointed to think that we'll never see Montangue and his arm that he lost in the Dark Territory. Maybe that's what they mean when they say it'll be in Season 7 - ie, like the zombies, it'll never actually happen. <p> Hrmmm... interesting things to ponder, now I want to go back and check her scenes for any subtle clues. But that's for tomorrow. 'Night y'all.

  • March 14, 2007, 10:56 p.m. CST

    bird scientist conversation

    by BLWiseass

    "hey this bird has a note on it. what the fuck. The dumbass who wrote it didn't even think to put it in plastic or some kind of protective barrier so that when this sea faring bird landed in the water the ink wouldn't run all together. Must have been some dumb three year old."

  • March 14, 2007, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Oh, but...

    by David Lazarus Long

    Uhm, why, if she's an 'Other', would they never let Alex meet her? o_O; Unless Alex is in on it too. Which means letting Claire 'escape' was planned too. Which means the Baby was certainly tampered with somehow. Or Claire was. <p> And is it just me, or is every "Charlie dies" vision actually the result of him doing something for Claire? <p> He gets struck by lightning sleeping in Claire's tent, drowns trying to rescue her from drowning, slips on rocks trying to get birds for her. I feel like the one that's really 'supposed' to die is Claire, but Charlie has such a strong "Knight-in-Shining-Armor" complex that he'll never let anything bad happen to her? Weird. And if Claire died it would fit with several trends: <p> A) That anytime I start to like a character I hated, they die (See: Boone, Shannon, Ana-Lucia) and <p> B) She's a hot chick, and every hot chick has to die for some reason.

  • March 14, 2007, 11:03 p.m. CST

    BLwiseass

    by David Lazarus Long

    Yea, I was like "Uhm, hope that's waterproof ink, or you're fucked." <p> I was also hoping that as they watched the birds fly away all of them would *SPLAT-A-TAT-TAT* on a big invisible glass windshield. ;)

  • March 14, 2007, 11:07 p.m. CST

    I'm one of those who are beginning to lose faith

    by Chest_Rockwell

    in this show. I mean, I understand they need to hold some stuff back, and I certainly don't expect to get every question answered in one episode. BUT, this episode did the following things. Jack and Claire are bro and sis. Anyone who's watched the show with any sort of attention span figured this out when Jack's dad was standing in the rain. Kate and company climbed over a fence and saw Jack. And Claire stuck a note on a seagull. I'm sorry, dragging those things out for an entire episode, is bordering on ridiculous. I really want this show to start moving forward with some conviction. And the two times they might have got some information (kate and frenchy chick, patchy and what he knows/knew about Locke) the "conversation" just simply gets hijacked into some other irrelevant direction, and nobody remembers what was said just 2 seconds before. No, "Hey, wait up, fuckhead, answer the question I just asked you." Enough with these cheapass plot devices that are beyond incredibly transparent. I hope Lost starts to find itself.

  • March 14, 2007, 11:08 p.m. CST

    Jack loves football!!

    by seanny_d

    I can't stop thinking about what the hell is going on there! Granted, it's been what? 3 days since we've last seen Jack? I highly doubt he's been brainwashed in that time. But seem to make me believe that this apparent "betrayal" will continue for the next few episodes. And I want to know what the hell is going on. Personally, I think that Jack is pulling a fast one on the Others, like I thought he would do with Ben. MAN, episodes like this stretch my patience for the RIGHT reasons. Awesome episode.<br><br>Oh yeah, and Goth Claire WAS fucking hot.

  • March 14, 2007, 11:08 p.m. CST

    David Lazarus Long

    by TVguy4566

    I am not sure if Alex being in on it has anything to do with it. Danielle could be an other and Alex could be totally unaware that Danielle is actually posing as the French Lady persona. That means that Danielle could be an Other and Alex legitimately helped Claire escape. I did notice that Charlie is always trying to help Claire whenever he "dies". An interesting twist would be for him to figure that out and try to kill her to save his own life. He does have the evil side to him.

  • March 14, 2007, 11:14 p.m. CST

    Or even let her die

    by David Lazarus Long

    Yea, he sure does have a dark side. Kidnapping Sun, dragging her through the jungle and bashing her on the head was pretty deliciously evil. Can't wait til' someone lets that slip. Whoooo boy. <p> Ok, NO ONE RESPOND TO ME FOR AT LEAST 5 MINUTES! Otherwise I'll be tempted to respond and I have to work in the morning. Curse my lack of willpower!! CURSE YOU LOST FOR BEING SO COOL! Alright I'm out.

  • March 14, 2007, 11:17 p.m. CST

    Charlies evil side

    by leesheri

    is the reason he keeps almost dieing. The Karma initiative. - I'm with those that think Jack is playing a fast one on the others.

  • March 14, 2007, 11:21 p.m. CST

    WOW

    by GregoryHarbin

    Best Lost ending ever. This show continues to astound.

  • March 14, 2007, 11:26 p.m. CST

    Lost haters...

    by Vunnyside

    if you don't like the show, maybe you should give it another chance. I promise you will like it. That is if you just stop complaining.

  • March 14, 2007, 11:28 p.m. CST

    I got no complaints for that one (eating my hat)

    by _Maltheus_

    Great fuckin' episode. They were smart and asking questions and sharing "secrets". We now know why Ben didn't leave for surgery since he couldn't get back anymore. I never expected to enjoy a Claire flashback but it was finally good to get confirmation of Jack's father's involvement there. Finally moving that thread along. Using the birds may be a long shot, but at least they're trying instead of sitting on their asses all day. Bring on more like that!

  • March 14, 2007, 11:29 p.m. CST

    Jack and the others

    by Major Konig41

    Anyone think that Jack is playing nice with the others so maybe he can get off the island like ben promised him...after he showed him the 06 world series...maybe jack did what he did during the surgery so he could ge kate and sawyer to safety, but ultimately fixed ben so he could get off the island...sort of being unselfish so he could be selfish...and maybe now he thinks if he plays nice with them, they will let him off the island...which of course they wont...and i think Danielle is an other and that charlie will either die or kill claire to save himself...and i agree with everyone that claire was smoking hot with the black hair...please let her find some black hair dye on the island

  • March 14, 2007, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Good lord LOST is back in form!!!

    by zillabeast

    GREAT week!!!

  • March 14, 2007, 11:46 p.m. CST

    Very good episode

    by Tocksick

    We definitely need more episodes like that. We were starting to wonder if Lost had lost its way but there have been enough good episodes since the hiatus that I believe the shows knows where its going for this season. When Lost gets to its roots of its original premise than it is the best show on TV. People are FINALLY trying to get off the island after almost an entire season of not caring and just pushing buttons. And I really enjoyed the Sayid and co. side quest with those giant security pylons. I am now pretty sure that Locke is up to no good. I have had suspicions since last season but things start to be pointing to Locke being a very bad guy. Do you think he might possibly be the Magnificent one the Others look up to??? Either way, I can't wait for the big reveal as to who the King of the Others is.

  • March 14, 2007, 11:54 p.m. CST

    the birds won't find the mainland

    by Sir Loin

    ...because of what happened with the hatch and the sky turning purple. Magnetic fields and all that, which is what birds use to navigate. I predict the message will come right back in a few episodes.

  • March 15, 2007, 12:36 a.m. CST

    Things I noticed

    by caninedevotion

    Goth Claire = Olsen Twin = Yuck The sitcom before Lost had both Edgar Stiles and Samwise's crazy drug-adled sister from 24. Made me sad.

  • March 15, 2007, 12:39 a.m. CST

    I can see Jack playing football..

    by Dapper Swindler

    He did agree to stay with them to help Ben recover and when he does, Ben is going to let him go home. So Jack isn't going to run off, he might as well be outside. And he might as well throw around the old football to pass the time. <p> But the weird thing about it was how happy he looked. He seemed happier than we have ever seen him: on or off the island. That's the part that I'm interested in seeing.

  • March 15, 2007, 1:06 a.m. CST

    Well, Jack IS Marshal after all

    by BitterMan23

    i wish they wouldn't list guest stars... it spoiled both the "surprise" christian shepherd AND zeke/tom appearances. i might as well just read this article before the show instead of after.

  • March 15, 2007, 1:29 a.m. CST

    Van Buren is a Fuckstick

    by Threzor

    Locke is going to lead the Others

  • March 15, 2007, 1:45 a.m. CST

    TOUCHDOWN !!!!

    by Mogwai Democracy

    Great ending! I laughed! Next episode: Zeke & Jack hit the showers for some male bonding.<br><br>Locke got interesting again, thank god. He's got definitely got an agenda. Perhaps he is running a "long con" of his own. It's unclear if he blew up the Flame intentionally or not, but I like that theory.<br><br>Too bad about Patchy, he was the only one giving any answers on this show! Pretty much every time he opened his mouth we got something significant revealed. He will be missed!<br><br>I hope Sawyers got some black hair dye in his secret stash of goodies! Hubba!

  • March 15, 2007, 1:52 a.m. CST

    Lost is kicking all kinds of ass....

    by exie

    ...so shut it, Haters. You know there's nothing better on TV than this. I've only see a handful of you pop up tonight so I have a feeling most of you are running out of "This is why I'm stopping watching Lost" manifestos. We all know you watch it and love it. You're not fooling any of us. ***What I LOVED about tonight? Everything. We got answers all over the place tonight. You hear that fucktards? The writers have a plan. I guess all the bitching last week about the C4 became pretty moot w/in the first few minutes of tonight's episode or are they supposed to tell you the whole fucking story in one hour every week? If that's the case, go watch Caruso on CSI Miami you lame retards who spent so much time bitching about the C4 last week **** As for the last images of the episode? Amazing. I also don't think Jack could have been brainwashed that quickly. I think they probably tried and strapped him in the chair, but I don't think they really turned Jack. I've been thinking all season that when Jack turns (and I knew he would eventually turn) it would really be a ruse...and the cool thing is, Jack's character will play this game for awhile, even to the point of convincing the Castaways that he's turned....the only thing that made me think he might have been brainwashed was the lame spike of the football...it kind of looked mental patient-y....I swear to God my heart stopped when Kate saw Jack running towards her...I thought he was making his break for it....and I wonder, did Sayid already see Jack playing football before telling Kate "We're here"? I got the vibe that he might have....I'm also down with Danielle being an Other...the same way Ben lied so convincingly when he was Henry Gale, I think she might also be playing everyone....Just too much in this episode to talk about....and as for Locke, I can't wait till next week. His plan is clear and Sayid knows what he's up to. He wants to stay at all costs and I wonder how far he's willing to go to stay. The rest of this season will kick ass, although I'm still very nervous about the Nikki/Paulo flashback coming up. I hope the show doesn't lose momentum for that.

  • March 15, 2007, 2:36 a.m. CST

    deRavin is a good actress(when not squealing "MY BABY")

    by TallBoy66

    But I think she gets unfairly ragged on alot, but she certainly has some dramatic chops and showed them numerous times in this episode. I think she's just written as a shrew on the show and hard to like when every other fucking sentence out of her mouth involves either the words "my baby" or "Aaron". But, if they actually give her something to do, she can pull it off. If anybody here has seen BRICK, she's only in it for, like, 2 scenes but she's pretty great iin that. (and if you haven't seen BRICK, get the hell off this talkback now and go rent it) I know she was in Hills Have Eyes but I decided to pass on it, seeing that I didn't want to watch Mutant Rape. Silly me, really. Oh, and she DOES look very hot all gothed out. And, final thought for this post, Eyepatch Dude has the best death scene in Lost history.

  • March 15, 2007, 2:46 a.m. CST

    Fixing the continuity problem with Claire...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    There will have to be another Claire flashback (maybe next season) which will need to explain why Claire told her boyfriend that her mom would disown her. The simple answer: She lied to her boyfriend about her mother. Boyfriend didn't know that Claire's mom is in the hospital, and he never met Claire's mom. Why would Claire lie about her mother? Well, this explanation could be the basis for the next Claire flashback episode. Also in this next flashback: I think they should address the paternity of Aaron -- is his father really Claire's boyfriend? Remember that Claire's boyfriend seemed to suddenly break up with her. We assumed it was because he couldn't take the pressure of becoming a father and husband. But maybe something else went down: Maybe somebody told him that he was not the father of Claire's baby. (And maybe her pregnancy has a connection to Mittelos?)

  • March 15, 2007, 3 a.m. CST

    Mittelos Bioscience...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    The company that recruited Juliet, which is a front for The Others.

  • March 15, 2007, 3:07 a.m. CST

    I Guess we'll Find Out Later That Rousseau

    by el santos

    has been given the same mark they gave juliet...that'll explain she was an Other. agree with goth claire....hot!

  • March 15, 2007, 3:15 a.m. CST

    Claire's pregnancy connected to The Others?

    by Jim Jam Bongs

    I think so, too. We've been assuming that her boyfriend whom we saw way back in Season 1 is the father. Maybe he wasn't. Maybe that man who recruited Juliet told Claire's boyfriend that not only was he not the father of Claire's baby, but he also threatened him, or paid him off, to dump Claire. The expectation would be then Claire would put up Aaron for adoption, and the couple who were going to adopt Aaron were Others (or directly connected to The Others). Another factor to consider in this theory: Maybe Claire already knew she was pregnant by another man, but faked taking a pregnancy test to hook in the new guy she was dating. This could also tie into her new habit of lying about things (like about her mother to her new boyfriend). So, yes, there definitely needs to be another Claire flashback to address these possibilities.

  • March 15, 2007, 5:03 a.m. CST

    Why did Patchy run like a Thunderbird?

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Does Andrew Divoff run like a puppet in real life?

  • March 15, 2007, 5:04 a.m. CST

    Why didn't the EMP wipe out ALL electronics within fift

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Why didn't the EMP pulse from the hatch explosion kill all the electronics on BOTH islands?

  • March 15, 2007, 5:05 a.m. CST

    SPOILER, everyone on the flight is related to Jack!

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Everyone on the flight, including the dead, are related to Jack. And the others are Jacks long lost cousins.

  • March 15, 2007, 5:11 a.m. CST

    Desmond is seeing multiple timelines.

    by EvilWizardGlick

    For Desmond to see Charlie die so many times he has to be seeing MULTIPLE timelines. Most here claimed he travelled in time, if that were the case he would have seen Charlie die only once NOT three times. <p> Each time Desmond saves Charlie he changes the future. <p> Which may make that his greatest act of his life.

  • March 15, 2007, 5:46 a.m. CST

    Mikhail

    by kingoflight

    Anyone notice what he was saying to john ? something along the lines of: "i have a fleeting memory of you john locke, but i must be confused the john locke i know was...." thats where rousseua (sp) buts in. Personally i am pretty sure he was going to say paralised........... The others seam to only get phisical information people they aint mystical in anyway thats why jack said about his tatto "thats what it says but not what it means" Anyways good episode, gald to see a bit of blood in this episdoe. poor mikhial bit the dust, but he lied to the losties he said that the system had not worked for ages, so either he wanted to kill the losties or himself ? He certainly did not mind giving away information and even said thank you when his brain was getting turned to scrambled eggs. This point alone bugs the hell out of me such a contradictory attitude in a character lead to me getting annoyed. Charlie can die soon, i rate his character as unimportant, he's got no interest in the other or connection to the island he's just a hanger on. At least claire has been experimented on and is now jacks half sister.

  • March 15, 2007, 6:06 a.m. CST

    Mr X's MUltiple choice questions

    by Mr_X

    you find out the father who yout thought was dead is now paying for the medical aid for your critically ill mother. do you a) thank him for paying the medicare b) say you never want to see him again c) try and connect with him, by say.. asking his name.

  • March 15, 2007, 6:08 a.m. CST

    You have a chance to send a rescue message

    by Mr_X

    do you a) write it out in pencil, cover it it plastic, or just attach it with a toothpick b) write a heartfelt letter to say to people you live c) write the actual names of survivors, just in case, someone thinks its a prank

  • March 15, 2007, 6:11 a.m. CST

    you see a man die a horrible death in front of you

    by Mr_X

    by walking through elctica pylons do you a) decide, maybe we forget about it b) find another alternative route around c) go on the off chance that if you go over it, you may well survive

  • March 15, 2007, 6:14 a.m. CST

    actually enjoyed this episode

    by Mr_X

    well i did.

  • March 15, 2007, 6:24 a.m. CST

    Mr X

    by kingoflight

    First one.. ask for my back log of birthday and christmas presents, second one.. attach a half done soduko puzzle to the bird and leave the message "call me big boy" Third one... just run through it, i'd be optamistic in thinking that it only works in that ring so if i just keep moving i'd be fine. also i remembered that they won't be getting any more food drops as they blew the com center that orders them.

  • March 15, 2007, 6:58 a.m. CST

    Betrayed (SPOLIER?)

    by arcade fireman

    I've read that in an upcoming episode (in the next few weeks) that Kate would be betrayed by one of her own and left to fend for herself. I wonder who betrays her...Jack, Locke, French Lady? My bet is on Locke as he seems to have his own agenda seperate from the Losties and will do whatever it takes to achieve his goal.

  • March 15, 2007, 6:58 a.m. CST

    EMP should have destroyed the screen

    by EvilWizardGlick

    The EMP when the hatch should have wiped EVERY piece of electronics on BOTH islands. No screen, no chess game, nada, nothing. <p> Speaking of which wasn't there an EMP on Jericho? <p> And Dark Angel Seattle was victim of an EMP.

  • March 15, 2007, 7:01 a.m. CST

    Locke's agenda

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Locke adheres to the Homosexual agenda. Watch him out Mr. Friendly (now you know how he got the nickname), and start sporting a Pink Triangle.

  • March 15, 2007, 7:35 a.m. CST

    Barbie .... I mean Claire

    by Rex Havok

    never looked better than she did last night. It's apparent that Claire thought her mom would recover, hence the "disown" comment.

  • March 15, 2007, 7:45 a.m. CST

    The "Him" Patchy was afraid of...

    by biggles2_22

    ...was the "Smoke" monster.

  • March 15, 2007, 7:56 a.m. CST

    Another typically horrid episode

    by Pdorwick

    Claire & Jack are related!! This must mean... absolutely nothing, just like all the other poorly concocted, malformed story threads over the past two years. What you apologists don't realise is that there is NO overall plan or structure to this show. The creators do a good job of implying it but an awful job of executing it. To me this exhibits a massive contempt for a fan base which, judging by some of the posts in this TalkBack, will nevertheless take anything and everything on faith. I'll admit I will continue to watch the show in the vain hope it will straighten itself out but that hope continues to fade with each passing episode.

  • March 15, 2007, 8:19 a.m. CST

    I don't want to know...

    by rbrog77

    After weeks/months/years of reading talkbacks that kept asking why no one asked questions. Finally last night Danielle answered what I thought all along. People don't ask questions on this island because they don't want to know the answer. Maybe that was the answer to all of the folks asking that question from the writers. So the questions begs to be asked. Why would people not want to know the answers. My response would be denial...one of the 7 stages of death. It's been said people progress through the stages at different paces. - Shock or Disbelief (I think everyone's through this now) - Denial (ongoing in some/most) - Anger (Michael went angry early, Jack was angry recently) - Bargaining (Michael got Walt back, Jack bargained for Kate and Sawyer's release and apparently his own) - Guilt (will we see Walt return) - Depression (not sure about this one) - Acceptance and Hope (Locke?). I've always been a time theorist, and maybe time will still filter into this, but I'm beginning to agree with the dead heads. Just my thoughts...well, that and Goth Claire being scrumptious. 1 more thought. HATERS!! Don't worry. Only 5 more stages for you to go through. ;->

  • March 15, 2007, 8:22 a.m. CST

    I enjoyed this ep also...

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    Things other than Hurley driving a VW van in circles actually happened. After all the shit that jack has gone through, it is good to see him enjoy a nice game of catch and let his crew-cut hair down.

  • March 15, 2007, 8:29 a.m. CST

    Jack or Locke?

    by tie3456

    I too will be interested to see who exactly does the betraying in the next few episodes. Most assume Jack. I think Locke has just as much opportunity as anyone. Only time will tell. Great episode this week. I will be dreaming sweet images of those jet black locks of hair. Yummy.

  • March 15, 2007, 8:47 a.m. CST

    Sorry, Paolo lost his title

    by jtp8000

    After the last BSG where the lawyer says he has to go take a crap, he is now offically Guy who takes a shit

  • March 15, 2007, 8:54 a.m. CST

    Tom Tom Go Jack

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    69 Hut hut hut!

  • March 15, 2007, 9:04 a.m. CST

    Thanks, guy, and Nova, for the clarification...

    by Childe Roland

    ...on Smokey's browsing and downloading capabilities. I had completely missed that part (may have been in Paulo mode), but my wife confirmed last night that this was her recollection as well.<p>That actually kind of supports the theory I had in an earlier talkback (you might remember, Nova) about the smoke somehow combining nano-technology and a hallucinatory properties.<p>If I'm not mistaken, the technology exists to measure a person's neural response to stimuli and has been used to study sleeping/dreaming subjects. I would think a variation on this concept could explain the Smoke's "psychic" abilities from a plausible sci-fi tech standpoint. In other words, I still don't think the smoke necessarily has to be sentient or rogue. I think it might just be mirroring people's innermost thoughts and feelings back at them.<p>That said, I really don't think the cat was the smoke monster. But it's possible that Sayid thought the cat was more than it appeared to be.

  • March 15, 2007, 9:05 a.m. CST

    Oh, and David Lazarus Long...

    by Childe Roland

    ...of course Satan has facial hair. Where do you think the concept of the evil goatee originally came from?<p>;^)

  • March 15, 2007, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Is it bad I have more respect for "Take A Shit Guy" now

    by warp11

    Seriously, he kicked ass in 300. <p> What ever happened to Claires baby being the next coming or soemthing?

  • March 15, 2007, 9:21 a.m. CST

    SPIKING THE BALL = EXCESSIVE CELEBRATION PENALTY

    by turketron

    Did anyone else laugh out loud at the spike? That scene was so bizarre... and the look on Jack's face when he spiked the ball was PRICELESS! Great episode. Lost is back and really hitting its stride this season. And we still have TEN episodes to go! Jawsome.<p><p>

  • March 15, 2007, 9:24 a.m. CST

    TASG has NOT been replaced

    by BlackBauer0320

    He still has like 2 shits more than the lawyer from BSG. Also, there was an EMP on 24 at one point that knocked out the electricity but it was only about 1 or 2 miles so...it wouldn't necessarily effect both islands.

  • March 15, 2007, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Smoke Monster is Forbidden Planet Monster

    by Christopher3

    Island is Atlantis. Hanso is L. Ron Hubbard.

  • March 15, 2007, 9:39 a.m. CST

    Okay ... I'm encouraged again

    by Itchy

    The last two episodes have been very, very good. With the exception of the contuining "idiotification" of John Locke, there is a sense of progress that hasn't been there of late. Having Locke say he didn't know about the C-4 and then later pull some out was potentially brilliant, as it's showing he's not just sloppy, he's almost trying to single-handedly destroy everything Dharma constructed on the island. Perhaps it was just the 5 or 6 Other-centric episodes that all seemed supremely repetative that were bringing me down ? In any event, I hope those crappy episodes plus the huge hiatus plus the 10pm time slot change didn't fatally wound the show, because it's still got it. If they could find a way to have a trunk full of goth clothes, black wigs and see through lingerie and have Claire on-screen 30% of the time, the show could really take off agian.

  • March 15, 2007, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Deleted Scene from '300':

    by skaminator

    Xerxes convinces his men to attack Sparta because they have the finest commodes in all the land.

  • March 15, 2007, 9:51 a.m. CST

    Nice episode

    by Fount of Useless Info

    So, two things that others (no pun intended) haven't brought up. <P> Locke seemed quite put out that Patchy was about to reveal his big secret. Was this why he decided to use him as the test subject for the fence? Did he kill him to keep his secret? <P> Does anyone else expect the birds to be revealed as going straight over to Otherland?

  • March 15, 2007, 9:52 a.m. CST

    The Others are...

    by ImpulsiveIdeas

    I think it will be revealed that the Others are the hostiles referred to by the Dharma Initiative. Maybe what Dharma was doing was tantamount to defiling the island. After they eliminated Dharma they exploited some of their stations and supplies (food drops, etc.) Patchy did say that there was a war between Dharma and the hostiles (Others) and EVERYTHING else he said seemed to be true -- why not this? The Others truly are the "Good Guys". I think Lost is an interesting thought experiment -- what if you told this whole long story from the perspective of the bad guys -- wouldn't you sympathize with them instead of the Others -- who seemed to only be comprised of decent people who have NEVER killed anybody and who only resort to nastiness when absolutely necessary (to save Ben's life).

  • March 15, 2007, 9:53 a.m. CST

    "Where did evil goatee originally come from?"

    by Billyeveryteen

    Geez Childe, everyone knows it's "evil" Spock, from Mirror Mirror.

  • March 15, 2007, 9:55 a.m. CST

    How did u guys all know?

    by SPECTRE Agent

    bout the Jack/Claire thing? I've heard it for like forever but where did it first come from? Also, Jack and Tom playing with the 'ole pigskin was a bit over the top. Just for that reason I suspect they Others know they were being watched and had Jack make a show of how happy he was with them.

  • March 15, 2007, 9:58 a.m. CST

    More

    by ImpulsiveIdeas

    I mean look at the 815ers: Sawyer - Con-Man // Kate - Murderer // Sayid - Torturer // Jin - Murderer (I know, he didn't push the guy out the window -- but he practically made him jump) // Sun - Adultery // Charlie - Drug Addict / Kidnapper // Claire - Child out of wedlock // Locke - Grew the hippie lettuce, nearly shot a cop // Hurley - Gluttony, need I say more // I mean these are all people with demons-- and maybe when the Others talk about their "List" it is a list of all the people they consider good -- and it seems for now that Jack is the only one on their list.

  • March 15, 2007, 10:03 a.m. CST

    And where did Spock get the idea, Billy?

    by Childe Roland

    Look at him in that episode. How is he not Lucifer? I'm sorry, but the Devil was the originator of the Evil Goatee. It's in the Bible, dude (or maybe it was just on that Howling Man episode of The Twilight Zone). Either way, it must be true.

  • March 15, 2007, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Locke

    by INWOsuxRED

    was fucking great. It sure looks like we're going to get some good payoffs to that whole "what the fuck is wrong with Locke" thing we've been seeing lately.

  • March 15, 2007, 10:13 a.m. CST

    YES!

    by Laza-rus

    TASG and his cute girlfriend get flashbacks! Maybe will see how he got in shape to play Xerxes.

  • March 15, 2007, 10:13 a.m. CST

    Claire Plot Hole

    by AndMyAxe

    A possible explanation for her "disowned" comment is that the fight she and her mother were having in the car BEFORE the accident may have been about the baby. In other words, she knew she was pregnant and had just revealed it to her mother. We know they had an emotional argument leading up to the wreck, so it's possible her mother disowned her right before she launched through the windshield. Just a thought...

  • March 15, 2007, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Jacob

    by kbaker13

    Let me start by saying I havent watched last nights episode yet but i will tonight (blame the fiance for that). Anyway, i came across a cool site that had some interesting theories about Jacob and used some biblical references (http://tinyurl.com/yvu96b). I am not familar with these references but they sounded interesting. Among Jacob's claim to faim it is noted that one of his sons was thrown into a pit because his brothers were to jealous of him (think Desmond and his abilities,specifically Joseph had the ability to interpret the future through his dreams(???), and being thrown into the Hatch. He also had another son who's name was BENJAMIN. Interesting stuff, goes on to talk about the family splitting into two tribes and spreading across the country (the others vs the losties (or Dharma) and spreadign across the island. I dont know if this is correct and it is a little to biblical for me but does have some intersting information. Check out the article at http://tinyurl.com/yvu96b. I should warn you that this articel also states that Bernard might me Jacob, which I find hard to believe.

  • March 15, 2007, 10:39 a.m. CST

    Thoughts / Theories

    by arcade fireman

    1) Are the Others really Good People as they have said over and over? I'm thinking that they may just be because what Evil Organization has bike paths and book clubs? 2) Is Locke on The List or not? Well last season in the Hatch, Ben tells Locke he was coming for him but Patchy says he isn't on the list? Somebody's lying. 3)What lengths will Locke go to keep himself and the rest of the people stuck on the Island? He's already blown up the Swan Station and the Flame Station and now I hear he wants to find the Submarine. Something tells me he doesn't want to use it to get off the island but rather keep others from getting off the island. We saw an explosion in the preview for next week. I think that was the Others Sub. But I could be wrong...

  • March 15, 2007, 10:45 a.m. CST

    actual information...

    by TheHichhiker

    First of all, there are two cats, FOR GODS SAKE, THEY LOOK DIFFERENT, Nadia is a kitten with tiny head (look at the scene when they first arive to the house, there is a closeup), Sayed's cat is a full grown cat(even a bit OVERGROWN). However the cat Sayed saw in the jungle at the end of the episode is NOT Nadia (and thus probably Smokey, it also wore same collar as in the flashback) But back to THIS episode, for once they actually TOLD us something - we now know that the "others" (be they Dharma or some competing faction) are doing experiments to create some sort of a perfect generic being - Thus kidnapping children. They value secrecy of their plan above all else and losties are NOT meant to be on the island, at least not according to them. Now as far as I recall, the others never actually killed anyone except in self defense. They are probably trying to deal with the crashers (pun intended) by balancing not killing them and not revealing their plan. Back to what we now know, Others are as stuck on the island as Losties now, because EMP wiped out the beacon that allows ships/subs to find the island. I am sure Ben was NOT lying when he said the button was meaningless. He was just wrong. The Others did not believe in the button hatch, otherwise they would not leave such a critical station NOT under their control. EMP was as a surprise to them as it was to anyone. It may be that the only one with a chance of finding them now is Desmond's girlfriend who's people saw the location of the beacon before it went poof. The island is probably home to some sort of magneto/geographic anomaly making it a significant point for research and thus significant for other's purpose. (speculation, since it is hard to find it may have been a home to an ancient/parallel civilization that developed parallel to the rest of the world, thus the "Simpsons" statue). Also, its interesting that it is slowly revealed that EVERY one of the Losties killed someone. Anyway this went from what we know now, to speculation, so I will stop...

  • March 15, 2007, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Locke trips?

    by dodgethis

    Am I the only one that saw Locke nearly trip and fall over the base of the "tree ladder" they made? It was a shot that was looking down from the top of the tree ladder while Kate was at the top. Funny stuff.

  • March 15, 2007, 10:50 a.m. CST

    TheHichniker

    by dodgethis

    If the others are now stranded on the island after the EMP, the why was Ben so sure tat Michael would be able to find his way back. Or did this occurr just before the EMP? I can't remember.

  • March 15, 2007, 11:02 a.m. CST

    EMP

    by arcade fireman

    I don't know enough about this stuff so I don't know the answer, but when an EMP goes off doesn't it just temporarily knock power out or am I wrong? I mean in 24 and Ocean's Eleven EMP's were set off but power was eventually restored, right?

  • March 15, 2007, 11:04 a.m. CST

    TheHichhiker

    by PwnedByStallone

    You're totally wrong. Jungle cat was Nadia and NOT the cat from the flashback. I freeze framed the fucking cats on ABC.com. Look at the secvond post of this TB.

  • March 15, 2007, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Good episode.

    by PwnedByStallone

    I was totally expecting a bitchfest on here so I'm pleasantly surprised. It's obvious Locke is a diabolical motherfucker. I cannot wait for next week. The no rerun format kicks ass!

  • March 15, 2007, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Good episode.

    by PwnedByStallone

    I was totally expecting a bitchfest on here so I'm pleasantly surprised. It's obvious Locke is a diabolical motherfucker. I cannot wait for next week. The no rerun format kicks ass!

  • March 15, 2007, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Thoughts on next week (promo spoilers)

    by Leopold Scotch

    First thing's first, let's clear up a few things.<br><br> Jack isn't on the list. The first time we hear of "Jacob", it's when the guy says "Shepherd's not even on Jacob's list". Also, Eyepatch definately seems to be saying "the John Locke I know is paralysed" before Rousseau cuts him off. It wasn't frustrating to me because he wasn't going to reveal info that we don't know (it just stops Sayid and Kate from hearing it), and it's obviously foregrounding next week's episode.<br><br>Secondly, if Rousseau was an other, why would she have saved Claire from them when Claire was kidnapped? I believe that Eyepatch guy was telling the truth about one last surviving member of Dharma, but it's not him: it's Roussaeu. Her arrival on the island (fifteen years ago or whatever) fits nicely with the dates on the orientation video. The only thing about that theory is that the barracks seem to be originally built by Dharma, considering the map at the station, etc, and Daniel didn't seem familiar with them, or with the security system. Still, I think the Others and Dharma are/were different groups, and that Rousseau isn't an other. <br><br>Speaking of the barracks, how the hell do they expect to get back out of the perimeter, given that the tree branch is about fifteen feet in the air now? Are they just assuming that they'll be able to shut it off when they choose to leave?<br><br>Now onto next week. I dunno about anyone else, but Youtube has two promos: the best one is this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygtBa_lUBmk&NR (just delete the spaces) which mentions (SPOILER) that Locke does indeed have another agenda, and that's to find the submarine that he learned about from Eyepatch guy. We also see Jack shaking hands with Ben, and Jack being very much on the side of the others when Claire is held down. It's a much more revealing promo than the other one I saw.

  • March 15, 2007, 11:13 a.m. CST

    I just realized Lost's Aaron = 24's Aaron

    by JustinSane

    Little island Aaron will travel through time and grow up to kick ass for the president!

  • March 15, 2007, 11:31 a.m. CST

    PwnedByStallone

    by TheHichhiker

    You are totally right on jungle cat. But my main point was that there are TWO different cats. Why are we still talking about the stupid cats? I am sorry for propagating this idiocy.

  • March 15, 2007, 11:44 a.m. CST

    Leopold Scotch

    by exie

    That CTV trailer you linked to was awesome. It further leads me to believe that Jack is playing The Others...it'll be interesting to see how far he's willing to take this since Kate obviously gets captured. And Locke wanting to know where the sub is? Brilliant. I can't wait to see the path his character takes from here since it's now clearly not related to the path of the Losties.

  • March 15, 2007, 11:51 a.m. CST

    This continuity thing:

    by Novaman5000

    I don't know that it's a continuity error, really. She said: "My mom would disown me." as if the mother was still around and lucid. We know that Claire never took her mom off of Life support, and that she talked to her as if she were still there. So is it that hard to believe that she would speak about her mother in the present tense?

  • March 15, 2007, 11:55 a.m. CST

    "My mom would disown me"

    by Dapper Swindler

    She thinks she "will" or "would" when her mom wakes up out of her coma and finds out she is pregnant. Makes sense to me - not a plot hole.

  • March 15, 2007, 12:07 p.m. CST

    if Locke were to die, that'd be fucking outrageous

    by Novaman5000

    Though I do think that sub is getting blown up. WHAT is locke DOING? I've always felt as though he would become the big bad, but still. Damn.

  • March 15, 2007, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Also, claire's BF's response is fucking cold.

    by Novaman5000

    "She pretty much has already". That's compassionate, dickhead.

  • March 15, 2007, 12:16 p.m. CST

    EMP wipes ALL electronics within range.

    by EvilWizardGlick

    EMP kills everything with a chip even cars.

  • March 15, 2007, 12:18 p.m. CST

    Claires mom DEAD at end

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Wow no one noticed Claires mom was dead during that final dialogue. <p> No monitor on, no breathing pump sounds tv off. <p> Touching in it's own way as she failed to open up when mom was alive.

  • March 15, 2007, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Locke KNOWS about the others

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Locke knows about the others. He probably encountered them at some point in the real world. That explains the c4 and his destruction of bases. <p> I doubt he will die.

  • March 15, 2007, 12:23 p.m. CST

    thedanceman

    by PwnedByStallone

    Damn dude. You could be fucking right. Th shit will hit the TalkBackers fan if that actually happens. He could also be taking a hiatus. Instead of dying maybe he'll go off with Jacob for awhile and return later next season.

  • March 15, 2007, 12:29 p.m. CST

    I think the "bomb" they are talking about is

    by Novaman5000

    Locke blowing the sub, but dying? I don't know about that. I've always felt he'll be in it for the long haul. ALOT of people are gonna be mad if he gets killed next week.

  • March 15, 2007, 12:30 p.m. CST

    If the shit hits the fan, we know who to blame...

    by skaminator

    TASG!!!

  • March 15, 2007, 12:32 p.m. CST

    LOCKE SHALL LIVE!

    by arcade fireman

    Ain't No Way Locke is going out next week. He may eventually bite it but he's got a lot more things to do on this Island.

  • March 15, 2007, 12:32 p.m. CST

    Evil Wizard, she wasn't dead.

    by Novaman5000

    "I'll see you soon", for example. Her mom could be off life support but still be in a coma. I'm 99% sure that if she was dead, then they would have made it obvious, and they wouldn't just keep a dead body in the room like that. Claire only broke down when she was saying she was sorry, when you'd think that if she was just told her mother had died, she'd be broken down from the get-go.

  • March 15, 2007, 12:38 p.m. CST

    If Locke dies...

    by dodgethis

    I might not watch anymore. Season 1 Locke IS Lost.

  • March 15, 2007, 1:10 p.m. CST

    I agree....

    by exie

    ...the more we've learned about The Others, the more I think that Locke may have encountered them in some form in the real world. He was always in search of a family/community that would take him away from his real life problems. If the info Mikhail gave us about answering an ad is true, I can see Locke answering that ad himself and perhaps Locke would have been part of The Others, but his accident cancelled his ticket? Just a thought****Also, a question...was last night the first time Locke killed an Other? I wasn't sure if he had killed anyone yet on the island and I don't count Boone as a murder. He did kill Mikhail even though he didn't know what the fence would do to him. **** That said, I don't believe Locke is going to get killed off the show. They may pull a fast one on us, like we think he died in the explosion or something, but I think he's still way too important to where the show is going to go to lose him *** he's such a wild card since he's put his own needs/interests ahead of other people's safety several times in the show. I think it's inevitable that he becomes the enemy at some point and the cool part of that is that he'll be both an enemy of the Losties and The Others. It's an interesting place to be on the island and there's a lot they could get out of that story wise. He definitely can't go back to camp all lovey dovey having knowingly blown up a house with electricity, water, food, animals and a possible way to communicate with the outside world, not to mention if he blows up a sub, I don't think the Losties are gonna be pleased as punch to hear he did that as well. He's basically made himself an Island on the Island and what we learn next week should be awesome. They've been setting us up for something big and I hope killing him off isn't just it.

  • March 15, 2007, 1:13 p.m. CST

    Actually Locke dying would be cool as hell

    by PwnedByStallone

    Can you imagine the shockwaves that would send? That shit would be talked about forever. I really am not that big of a fan of Locke though. Now if they killed Sawyer prematurely in a freak ping pong accident? Then I might get upset.

  • March 15, 2007, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Novaman5000, her monitor was black

    by EvilWizardGlick

    The monitor was black no pulse or other activity on it. It was off. <p> Yes, if she had recently died they would have kept her there until someone could take her to the morgue and clean her up.

  • March 15, 2007, 1:32 p.m. CST

    Jacob is...

    by vmj19

    the smoke monster. It's not a spirit, but it does provide a clear and unbiased judgment on everyone on the island, thus keeping the Others in a peaceful state, that is until a plane full of baddies shows up.

  • March 15, 2007, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Thoughts on saving Charlie

    by Fount of Useless Info

    Desmond has to save Charlie from dying over and over, and it always has something to do with Claire. Is it perhaps that he was supposed to die (did die really) much earlier (say, season one, hanging from a tree), but was saved by Jack? Is the island (or who/what ever) trying to make things right or is that just a coincidence?

  • March 15, 2007, 1:38 p.m. CST

    vmj19, smoke monster=dog

    by EvilWizardGlick

    I swear the first season they were shooting the Smoke Monster ( well, maybe not) as Walts dog. <p> The episode where the bird hits the window and later when Micahel comes for Walt suggests the dog was a mental Walt creation. Later on the comic book Polar Bear comes to life, but the dog is conveniently gone. <p> Most of the first season the dog disappeared during important episodes. <p> Then the whole killing thing due to the dog. <p> It could be the Smoke Monster and Walts Mental creations are two different beasts. <p> But in some way it always seemed that it was all related.

  • March 15, 2007, 1:41 p.m. CST

    Loved the episode

    by Anino

    I was starting to get frustrated with Lost, too, like everyone else. This episode reminded me why I love Lost. It would be nice to make Jack an "other" all along, or something inconsistent along those lines...his behavior on the island thus far was all for show (fo'sho!). I know, a hundred holes in that plotline scenario, but fun speculating

  • March 15, 2007, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Locke turning to an Other

    by lordgrimplemort

    I think Locke will become one of the Others and betray his friends in some way. In the past, the writers have changed characters' personalities out of the blue like suddenly making Charlie a total douchebag in the kidnapping Claire's baby ep(which I still think is one of the worst ever) and his kidnapping of Sun, but with Locke, it was clear from season one that he doesn't always have others' best interests in mind. Whether blowing up the hatch in season one right after Hurly shouted a warning or locking himself in the hatch and not pushing the button, he is willing to risk everyone's life for his own curiosity. And since the beginning he has wanted to find out that he's special and that there is some sort of meaning to being lost on the island. When they had Ben in the hatch and Ben told Locke he's one of the good ones you could tell he wanted to believe Ben. At first I thought Locke was just being stupid and blew up the flame station up on accident, but after killing the russian and finding the c4 in his bag, I'm pretty sure he's up to no good. And when he meets Ben, I'm pretty sure that Ben will tell Locke that he's a good guy and should move in with the Others. And I think Locke will agree.

  • March 15, 2007, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Ethan killed people!!!!

    by seanny_d

    All of you saying that the others have only killed in self defense apparently forgot about murdering ethan. Not only did he kill scott (or was it steve?) but he also attempted to murder charlie...none of which was in self defense. So sorry, the others aren't the good guys. Oh, and Goodwin killed the dude in the trap that the tailies thought was an other. Kate is the only true murderer so far. At least the dude she killed was a dick.

  • March 15, 2007, 2:13 p.m. CST

    a dick who beat her mom and tried to

    by Novaman5000

    sexually assault her when he was drunk.<p> Hardly cold blood.<p> And Evil Wizard, I'll have to find a way to check back on that. It just doesn't fit with how she was acting... like at ALL. The monitor may have been off, but I feel like that was more of a good on the prop teams part than signifying that she's dead.

  • March 15, 2007, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Seanny...

    by -guyinthebackrow

    Kate also shot and killed those two guys in the bank. But, Sawyer shot and killed that guy in Oz. And, Jack probably killed the Federal Agent (out of mercy) that was going after Kate, but only after Sawyer fucked up trying to put him out of his misery.

  • March 15, 2007, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Hey, kiddies

    by Mister Man

    The is a TalkBack, morons. People can say whatever they want. Stop acting like toddlers, and screeching when somebody disagrees with you. What's REALLY tired is the word "haters."

  • March 15, 2007, 3:16 p.m. CST

    seanny

    by leesheri

    I agree, people seem to forget about Ethan and Nathan killing people. <BR> Nova I agree that Kate did what needed to be done. If put in the same situation I would have done the same thing, but I wouldn't have told my mother. The mother wasn't healthy in the mind either.

  • March 15, 2007, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Charlie in danger because of Claire?

    by _Maltheus_

    I'm not sure if it's been mentioned, but have you ever noticed that all of the "Charlie in danger" moments revolve around Claire? Could that have something to do with the warning that no one else should be involved in raising her baby? I have thought at the time it was about protecting the baby, but perhaps it's about protecting those involved in any upbringing. Maybe the baby is jealous for mommy and is making bad things happen to those taking her attention away.

  • March 15, 2007, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Maltheus

    by Anino

    You're onto something. I also noticed that Claire confessed to her comatose mother something along the lines of "I said I wish you were dead" then they got into an accident...does Claire have some kind of ability to speak things into happening? Walt, Desmond, and Claire all seem to have some kind of futurist ability--Desmond sees it in visions, Walt could see it in some way or affect it, and maybe Claire, unknowingly has an influence on future events. Hmmm....

  • March 15, 2007, 4:35 p.m. CST

    What's the deal with the fence?

    by _Maltheus_

    What's it's purpose? It must be awfully expensive, when a regular fence might have done just as well. It can't keep out the black smoke it doesn't do too well against humans either. Keeping out animals would be easier with chain link (not that there were any animal corpses lying around). So why spend so much time and money on an ineffective security system?

  • March 15, 2007, 5 p.m. CST

    Death to all Lost bashers(not haters)!

    by DynamixRo

    Death by electro-magnetic fence thingy. If you didn' enjoy this episode than Lost clearly isn't for you. Enjoy Criminal Minds!

  • March 15, 2007, 6:40 p.m. CST

    Locke can't die!

    by performingmonkey

    If Locke dies the show dies. By the way, Claire being Christian Shephard's daughter further adds to his importance which means there's a good chance he's still alive, that his death was faked and that he's alive on the island.

  • March 15, 2007, 7:35 p.m. CST

    r u all that dumb?

    by byusc

    I have been coming here since day 1 of this show, and have been impressed with the insight....but how can you all miss what is happening. that isn't jack playing football, it is some clone/twin/other guy. it has only been 3 days since he and the "qb" were both messed up pretty bad. that is why patchy said "you guys are not perfect" or something to that extent. they were all on the plane so they could come and be body donors or something (havn't figured that out yet.) bottom line is that the real "jack" is still in prison. and this clone guy is some other guy. after the epsiode i was all excited that you would have noticed the obvious and had explanations to why there is a jack clone...but you guys dropped the ball!

  • March 15, 2007, 7:55 p.m. CST

    byusc

    by Steve_Dooku

    I thought the same thing! I went back to watch it to see if there was a tattoo or not (you can't he was wearing a sleeved shirt). I guess we'll find out soon enough.

  • March 15, 2007, 7:57 p.m. CST

    regarding jack clone

    by lordgrimplemort

    I hadn't thought of that possibility. I figured it would turn out he has been brainwashed, and then I would be pretty mad considering that it's only been 2 or 3 days since he helped Kate and Sawyer escape. My other guess was that, like many here have said, he is faking it to gain the Others' trust as part of a plan to get off the island. The clone theory brings up a question that I have kept wondering about that I haven't seen asked here in a long time. What was the deal with the guy in the arctic who called Penelope at the end of season two? He was obviously played by the guy who plays Jack. Some people don't agree and maybe imdb says otherwise (I'm not sure), but I paused my dvr and it was definitely him. So are there clones or twins of everyone on the island? Hopefully they'll answer that one this season.

  • March 15, 2007, 8:04 p.m. CST

    "He'll live."

    by David Lazarus Long

    Kate shot the guys in the bank in the kneecaps. They lived. But she did kill Wayne. <p> Jacob is not the smoke monster... I truly doubt they would refer to it as 'him', and the Others had a 'list' when they started taking the Tailies, while Smokey was still on the other side of the Island harassing Jack, Kate and Charlie. <p> Vincent is definitely sketchy. Ever since episode one, when J, K, and C are hiking towards the cockpit and the camera sloooowly pans down to Vincent watching them from the bushes. Creepy. <p> Claire's mom wasn't dead. <p> If she was pregnant when she was in the car talking with her mom, that's one LOOOOOOOOOOOONG pregnancy. I was under the impression she was a teenager who just got her license in last nights flashback, so unless she's only like 18 now, that's right out the window.

  • March 15, 2007, 8:10 p.m. CST

    THERE ARE NO CLONES

    by David Lazarus Long

    There will never be clones. Ever. That's why no one brought it up. o_O; <p> Either he's faking it, or just maybe he's given in to temptation and decided, "Well, those fucks from the plane crash left me, so screw'em. I'm gonna live in a nice house and play football." <p> Hah. Funny. He's literally "playing ball" with them. We'll just have to wait and see to what extent he's "playing" with them. <p> Could I have said "play" one more time? I guess I can.

  • March 15, 2007, 8:12 p.m. CST

    And when was anyone

    by David Lazarus Long

    "messed up pretty bad"? Neither Jack nor Tom were hurt in anyway in the last 12 episodes. Ben's hurtin' pretty bad and Juliet has a nice reminder of what happens when you help the little guy, but other than that, huh? Last I saw Jack he was getting cozy with Juliet on the front of a boat destined for New Otherton. <p> Or did I go into a coma and miss a season?

  • March 15, 2007, 8:15 p.m. CST

    The fence

    by David Lazarus Long

    Obviously the others can turn it off at will, or there's an opening SOMEWHERE. Otherwise, how do you explain Ethan, Goodwin and Ben walking across the Island? <p> Yea, I guess it's a lame security system to have in the middle of the jungle where there are lots of trees and stuff, but how do you know it was meant to keep people OUT? I'd think it was more likely to keep people in the barracks IN and away from the numerous Dharma experiments scattered across the rest of the Island. Remember, they said in the video that "the Pala Ferry will take you back to the Barracks." No one was ever supposed to WALK there.

  • March 15, 2007, 8:24 p.m. CST

    Christian Shepherd is Jacob

    by David Lazarus Long

    He's popped up in damn near everyone's flashbacks, and the Others were intent on retrieving his grandson. And there was a tall, gray haired man in operating scrubs during the "Maternity Leave" flashbacks that I've ALWAYS thought was Christian Shepherd. Same height, build, hair... He was there, guys. <p> Oh, and how's this for a "loose-end" no one seems to remember... In Claire's flashback, the nursery is beautiful, painted, has cute little animals on the walls... When they revisit the station 3 weeks later, the nursery is DEMOLISHED. Black soot everywhere, all the pictures taken down, everything is a wreck. What happened at that station between when Claire escaped and when Claire, Kate and Rousseau came back to visit?

  • March 15, 2007, 8:31 p.m. CST

    I'm like the fuckin' energizer bunny

    by David Lazarus Long

    I just keep going, and going, and going... <p> If the Island was moving, it must move pretty fast for Desmond to sail straight in one direction and end up right back where he started. So, it passed him without him noticing? And no one on the Island can tell they're moving at about 80 knots? <p> Yea, I used to think the Island was a giant artificial structure that could move. Or that it was on the back of a giant space turtle. I liked the Vile Vortices theory, that there are 12 spots in the world that link together and can transport objects through physical space, the most well known of which would be the Bermuda Triangle. There's one right near Fiji, and there's one over the Sahara that would explain the Nigerian drug plane, and there's one in Antarctica which would explain how the bears got there. <p> Naturally, the idea that they can find the Island by using a submarine's sonar rules that out. It's probably just cloaked somehow, but I suppose "how" would be the important part. <p> Of that I have no clue.

  • March 15, 2007, 8:34 p.m. CST

    o_O;;;

    by David Lazarus Long

    *chirp chirp*

  • March 15, 2007, 8:56 p.m. CST

    It's a pretty big island

    by David Lazarus Long

    and they don't really go out that much. <p> On a more distressing note, there seems to be an animal of some sort IN my CEILING. <p> Yes, my ceiling is growling at me. <p> What. The. Fuck.

  • March 15, 2007, 9:05 p.m. CST

    Answers are usually fiendishly simple

    by Dapper Swindler

    I really have no idea what the smoke monster is, but I wonder why many people don't seem to suspect that an Other is simply controlling it. Isn't that a much simpler explanation than it being an actual life form somehow? We know it can somehow read memories of people, so maybe it's reporting back to the Others and that's how they know so much about them. Of course, that would make Ethan and Goodwin unnecessary.

  • March 15, 2007, 9:13 p.m. CST

    Mr. Long

    by Steve_Dooku

    I am so glad you are here to set us all straight. Clones indeed. There couldn't be clones on a teleporting island with a magic smoke "monster" that allows people who are geneticists and fertility doctors to move through time. What were we thinking. Again thanks.

  • March 15, 2007, 9:15 p.m. CST

    It's too random

    by David Lazarus Long

    for being controlled. Unless it's someone we haven't met who ISN'T part of Ben's group. If Ben had control over Smokey, I don't think he would have let himself get shot with an arrow just to get Jack. Or let Sayid torture him. Or let ANY of them do ANYTHING without his permission. It's either on auto-pilot or someone we don't know about is at the wheel. Of smoke. Smokewheel. o_O

  • March 15, 2007, 9:16 p.m. CST

    "r u all that dumb--byusc"??!!

    by Anino

    Anyone that points out everyone else's dumbness by starting a sentence with "r u"...well, 'nuff said. Clones. CLONES??? Are you freaking serious? How dumb an idea is THAT? That's as bad Terri's amnesia in 24 season 1. Clones are a close second to the "it was all a dream" deus ex machina. I'm hoping the writers are a LOT smarter, and a lot less campy than going the clone route. Puhleeeazze.

  • March 15, 2007, 9:17 p.m. CST

    and

    by Steve_Dooku

    a place where people are miraculously cured of paralysis and cancer, pirate ships are landlocked with VW vans in the middle of nowhere, disembodied voices whisper in the jungle, and people have visions(?) of their dead relatives - nah. No way in hell there could be clones. That would just be retarded. Especially not of Jack, whose father was a wealthy surgeon.

  • March 15, 2007, 9:21 p.m. CST

    because in real life

    by Steve_Dooku

    The fertility drugs people take to get pregnant never result in multiple pregnancies, let alone twins, triplets or more. Clones, what a stupid idea. Twins aren't clones.

  • March 15, 2007, 9:25 p.m. CST

    Well...

    by David Lazarus Long

    The creators did say that there would NEVER. BE. CLONES. ON. LOST. EVER. <p> Of course, they also said no time travel. Frankly, I find a moving, brain-scanning smoke cloud to be more realistic than being able to grow a clone of an adult human being in a week. <p> And if they CAN grow clones INSTANTANEOUSLY, well, shit! I guess Kate and Sawyer are clones too. And Locke. And Rousseau. And Desmond. They're all clones! <p> Yea, that's the ticket. And I was just in a threesome with Evangeline Lilly and Maggie Grace.

  • March 15, 2007, 9:30 p.m. CST

    So now Jack

    by David Lazarus Long

    has a twin that just HAPPENS to be on the Island? And I guess poor Pickett just wasn't let in on the fun. <p> Excuse me for being persnickety, but when the post begins "U R ALL TEH DUMBZ0RZ" and then starts ranting about how "all of u shuld no heh iz a CLONZE! DUUUURRRRRRRRR", I feel obligated to raise the flag of intelligence and return fire.

  • March 15, 2007, 9:31 p.m. CST

    nobody ever said

    by Steve_Dooku

    they grew human clones in a week. Last I checked, it takes about 9 months. Apparently, people (not the 815 survivors) have been on that island for a loooong time.

  • March 15, 2007, 9:33 p.m. CST

    obviously

    by Steve_Dooku

    It's really just as good a theory as any. Honestly, we haven't a clue, and even if we did, they could change it. (No, that'd never happen!)

  • March 15, 2007, 9:34 p.m. CST

    Clones?!?

    by Reaver Chow

    You people with the clone theories must be smoking some bad granola!

  • March 15, 2007, 9:38 p.m. CST

    And now that you've poked the bear...

    by David Lazarus Long

    Just who the fuck are YOU to tell ME what crazy shit happens on that Island? I know what crazy shit happens. I've been watching it happen since day one, and for a time it sort of became the RULING FACTOR OF MY LIFE. <p> Yes, I'm a geek loser fuck. Whatever. I usually know what the fuck I'm talking about, too. So go crawl back into whatever hole you emerged from and don't defend people who can't be bothered to type out the words "YOU" and "ARE". When you look at them, they're really not that fucking long and/or complex, are they? But I suppose *I'M* the idiot. <p> Sweet jumpin' jiminy fucking jesus!

  • March 15, 2007, 9:44 p.m. CST

    don't you mean

    by Steve_Dooku

    Poked the POLAR Bear?

  • March 15, 2007, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Ok. One last time here.

    by David Lazarus Long

    So the theory goes as such: 45 years ago, a man named Jack was born. His father, a prominent surgeon, takes this child's DNA and ships it off to a mysterious Island to be cloned. 45 years later, the child who is now a man crashes on the Island, gets kidnapped by the people that cloned him, who ALL feign ignorance about having seen him/knowing him/playing football with his twin or clone or whatever the fuck it is just so... what? What, pray tell, are they going to do now that they have the 'real Jack' locked away after he did complex surgery on one of their leaders and the 'clone Jack' is playing football with Uncle Tom? You'd think if they had a FULLY GROWN, WALKING, TALKING CLONE, they could find a better use for it than WAITING FOR PEOPLE TO COME TO THEM IN THEIR HOMES. <p> A fucking inbred gerbil could come up with a better theory than that. <p> Ok, I'm going to stop now. This completely nonsensical discussion is starting to piss me off, and it ends here. <p> Read the following very, VERY carefully, and allow it to sink in. <p> That. was. not. a. clone. There, don't you feel better already?

  • March 15, 2007, 9:50 p.m. CST

    teh clonez!

    by Anino

    Clonez are teh suk. Aaaaanyway...now that I got that off my chest, let's speculate. That's the fun of the show anyway isn't it? The writers throw us a curve, give us a 'wtf?!' twist, and we throw our theories around. Let's say that Jack playing football is exactly what it is--he's having fun, he's not just doing it for show, and it really is THE Jack, not Jack 2.0 (really now...clones???!). Jack DID tell Kate not to come back for him. He didn't want her to see the real Jack, the one that is and has been on good terms with the others. Here he was, sanctimonious about Kate's secrets, and dual personalities, being the altruistic boy scout. I'm hoping for the sake of his waning fan-interest level, that running back Jack is the real Jack. He wasn't originally written in as the leader of the group anyway. Let's play with the brainwashing concept--what if Boy Scout hero leader Jack was the brainwashed version, and now he's snapped out of it and back with his real family, the others. He's "home" as Benry refers to it. OK, I'm bound to get skewered for this inane post. But there it is.

  • March 15, 2007, 9:50 p.m. CST

    Exactly

    by Steve_Dooku

    Because everything up to this point on LOST has made such perfect sense.

  • March 15, 2007, 9:55 p.m. CST

    Anino

    by David Lazarus Long

    I like that better than the clone bullshit. Hell, I would probably accept that Locke is a Martian and the Island is his spaceship before I'll go with Jack suddenly having a clone pop up like an unexpected fart.

  • March 15, 2007, 10:17 p.m. CST

    David LazLong

    by Anino

    Sometimes the simplest answers, framed with brilliant twists make for the most compelling plotlines. The twist where Jack and Claire are half siblings is simple, makes sense, but is very good drama. I think the writers respect their audience enough not to insult us with clones. That's what the writers of 24 have been doing lately. No aliens, no spaceships, no clones, and no snowglobes or 'vincent dreamt this all up'. Sure, the paranormal is everywhere on this island, but I think the dosage, so far, is just enough to keep our attention and not treat us like second graders. It's possible that when the writers were brainstorming, one of them said, "Let's do a clone angle on this!", and then they dismissed the misplaced intern and sent him back to Taco Bell. "Who the hell invited that punk that wrote Eragon to the writers meeting anyway?"

  • March 15, 2007, 10:21 p.m. CST

    Can you believe Deidara just blew up Sunagakure?

    by David Lazarus Long

    So glad I don't read the manga. <p> Anyone? Anyone..?

  • March 16, 2007, 2:49 a.m. CST

    am I blind? and deaf?

    by Calico Pete

    because it looked to me like Jack wasn't happy playing football. Just going through the motions. And it sounded to me like the one who interrupted Patchy was Kate, not Rousseau. Or maybe I'm just insane, because I have no idea why ANY of you believe a word Patchy said. There was no reason given to believe him or disbelieve him. Other than the promo shown for next week, there was no reason given to believe his submarine story. That's the annoying thing about the show... anyone could be lying about anything unless we see it from an "objective" perspective. Hearing about it from any character does not make a single thing true on Lost.

  • March 16, 2007, 3:46 a.m. CST

    Jack's just faking being ok with the Others

    by DynamixRo

    So he can find out what the hell's going on on that island. He probably realised that trying to fight them is of no use, so now he's taking the opposite approach. What I want to know is how some of you can come up with an insane clone theory just like that? :)

  • March 16, 2007, 6:01 a.m. CST

    The fence

    by ElPaw

    How do the others get through the fence? They use the Subterranean Passages. Which are clearly marked on the map: http://tinyurl.com/35xnbe. The map that Sayid has. Which begs the question: Why the hell doesn't Sayid just use the subterranean passages instead of "we have to go around"?????

  • March 16, 2007, 6:10 a.m. CST

    Rousseau is a "Hostile" but not an "Other"

    by Maniaq

    Ok so many points to address...<br> Novaman, Libby's connection to Penny was spelled out - don't you remember?? Desmond's boat that he sailed around the world for Penny's dad's big race - IT WAS LIBBY'S!<br> Expect to see her again in a Desmond flashback, if not sooner...<br> Guerilla, yes it's "bucks" for "dollars" in Oz - and everyone else, it's "my MUM would disown me" not "MOM"! Also, I think you might be onto something there about the homoerotic subtext between Jack and Mr Friendly - after all, Kate's not his type...<br> Tailies... seem to have disappeared lately, except for Cindy who's turned into an Other (or was all along??) - I thought she was dead?<br> And finally Clare... ANOTHER FUCKING CLARE EPISODE! Why can't they kill the bitch! Every time she opens her mouth is like a ticket on the fast train to Bitchville!! Sure the black wig looked kinda cute on her UNTIL SHE OPENED HER MOUTH! Maybe her aunt is really her mother coz it's pretty obvious where she gets the gene from - either of them get more than 30 seconds screen time and I'm yelling "SHUT THE FUCK UP!!" at the TV!! SOMEBODY KILL THAT BITCH!! And the worst part is you could sorta believe she's youngish in the goth getup until she goes into one of her bitch sessions and suddenly she looks older than those witches on Desperate Housewives! Charlie, wake the fuck up and STAB THAT BITCH IN THE EYE WITH A COCONUT!!<br> btw Charlie is one of my favourite characters - which is not helped by the hobbit playing him - because he's so bloody complex! Not just plain "good" or "evil" like most of the characters. Sure some of them do occasionally do contradictory things but Charlie is the only one that keeps you constantly shifting from furious loathing to unashamed admiration...<br> Oh, and one more thing - FUCK THE CAT!

  • March 16, 2007, 7:07 a.m. CST

    Adding to the chorus

    by BeatsMe

    Best episode of the season. It's amazing how thinking a story through and focusing on characters people like will do that.

  • March 16, 2007, 7:27 a.m. CST

    FENCE

    by bythehairofsanjaya

    David Long, I think you are on the right track regarding the fence - it's to keep people in. I think it ONLY works on the Others. They may have an implant which reacts to the fence otherwise what is the thing's range? It seems to be you have to be right up on it, in between the pylons. So I think there has to be an implant for it to react so quickly on, otherwise seems like one should be able to run right through and get out of its range. The microwave (or whatever) would have to be extremely focused to kill someone unless it had an internal device to target IMHO. Death by microwave or sonic is not instantaneous (unless we're talking like a satellite microwave generator from space, etc). The effect takes time to build - UNLESS it triggers something else. Just say'n.

  • March 16, 2007, 8:12 a.m. CST

    LASTIES!

    by biggles2_22

    yay!

  • March 16, 2007, 8:41 a.m. CST

    Others' Mind F

    by kbaker13

    Here is a possible theory I have, it may be too conspiracy theoryish but its just a thought. What if the Others black mailed Jack into acting like he was having fun (playing football) because they new the Losties were coming. When Locke threw Patchy into the fence it probaly triggered some kind of alarm and the Others new someone was coming. What if the whole scene was just another mind F to show the Losties that the Others have broken their leader and he is switching sides? This may be a stretch but would be pretty awesome. Also, the promo for next week showed Locke walking away from an explosion, wonder what that could be (sub?). I definately think Locke is doing everything in his power to stay on the island and I think after next week's episode we will understand why he wants to stay so bad. One more thing, when Patchy was telling the search party why they were not on the list was he speaking specifically to each person (ie. Kate you were flawed, Locke you were angry, etc. I forget what else he said) or was he speaking as a whole (ie. the group was flawed, angry, etc.) Let me know what you think.

  • March 16, 2007, 9:33 a.m. CST

    LOCKE'S DESIRE TO STAY

    by bythehairofsanjaya

    If Locke want's to stay on the island, he could just stay. Rescurers could force him to leave so there has to be more to it than that.

  • March 16, 2007, 9:34 a.m. CST

    Good Episode at last

    by MontyPigeon

    Since Desmonds little flashback episode, I was worried it was getting stale. This episode brought back the reason why I like Lost. The acting was good too and I also agree on old Frenchie being an Other. She has had no flashback in the real world or appeared in any of the other characters flashbacks. She got Dharma written all over her.

  • March 16, 2007, 9:45 a.m. CST

    Catamaran

    by ElPaw

    What has happened to it?

  • March 16, 2007, 11:53 a.m. CST

    Maniaq-

    by Novaman5000

    Writers have said we won't see libby again in a flashback because "the characters she intersects with have not been introduced yet". I know she gave desmond the boat, but I think she's more connected to the widmore's than that. At the very least, her dead husband is of importance. I doubt we see her in a desmond flashback again. MAYBE one where she brings desmond to the boat for the first time. Rather, I expect her to pop up in someone else's backstory during a season 4 ep.

  • March 16, 2007, 1:15 p.m. CST

    On the subject of Clones

    by Fount of Useless Info

    Ok, I don't really know or care nearly as much as some people here obviously do about whether Jack had a clone or not. I don't think it was, but if the writers decide to go that route and explain it well, that's fine with me. <P> However, I have to argue with some of the points made during the discussion of the possibility of clones: "The fertility drugs people take to get pregnant never result in multiple pregnancies, let alone twins, triplets or more. Clones, what a stupid idea. Twins aren't clones." Right. The sarcasm used here would have been much better if the information was actually correct. The fertility drugs people take in real life do not cause the types of twins that are essentially clones. You see, it works like this when a mommy and daddy love each other very much...No, I'll skip ahead. <p> Fraternal twins come from two eggs which are each fertilized by a different sperm. Identical twins come from a single fertilized egg that during one of the early cell divisions split into two distinct embryos. Those would be clones. Fraternal twins would not. Fertility drugs sometimes result in multiple pregnancies because they cause overovulation and therefore multiple eggs are present and are fertilized. Not clones. <P> This really has no bearing on the show, but that argument annoyed me. That is all.

  • March 16, 2007, 3 p.m. CST

    I stand corrected.

    by Steve_Dooku

    I'm a System Engineer, not a scientist (but the point still stands - it's not totally beyond the pen of a campy writer that somehow the fertility doctor, snatching children, will be used in the future of exposition on LOST)

  • March 16, 2007, 3:25 p.m. CST

    "Do EXACTLY as we say Jack, or we'll kill your friends"

    by Bob Fortuna

    As cool as the sonic death wall was, building it next to some tall trees was just sloppy - The Others would have much more security than that, and would have been well aware that Locke and company were approaching. The Others do everything they can to mess with the survivors' minds, so they grab Jack and say "play ball and ignore your friends, or we'll kill them".

  • March 16, 2007, 3:30 p.m. CST

    Jack Knows Something Now

    by plexiglasseye

    Jack has got some new information since we last saw him. Thats why he's settling in with the Others. If they have truly taken him in, they may have let him in on the mission, and why everyone is prepared to give their lives to protect it. He might have an understanding now of whats going on that the Losties nor we, the viewers are yet privy to.

  • March 16, 2007, 4:42 p.m. CST

    your wrong about the simpsons....

    by Buzzsawlenny

    the best episodes are:<p> 1. Rosebud- where mr burns tries to steal his bear bobo from maggie<p> 2. The Mansion family- "suckers they'll never know the simple pleasure of a monkey knife fight"<p> 3. the one with frank grimes (grimey)-" thats our homer"

  • March 16, 2007, 9:28 p.m. CST

    Jack's clone cheets on his fertility doctor

    by David Lazarus Long

    and has a Dharma beer. Then he plays some football with Smokey after a little smokeeeyyy. =D

  • March 16, 2007, 11:14 p.m. CST

    No one mentionsTHE FOUNTAINHEAD--what Sawyer was readin

    by dead youngling

    talks about objectivism--and the individual having to get what they want--there's more to it that might match LOST but i'm too lazy to write more. read the pandora's box trilogy book one: into the void.

  • March 18, 2007, 4:26 p.m. CST

    Nah, that's it.

    by 2LeggedFreak

    The show has turned into one big frustrating puzzle which would be okay if you cared about the characters, but I don't anymore. Outside of maybe Locke , the whole lot could get blown up in the next episode and I wouldn't feel one twinge. I think the writers of this forlorn sterile mess have now made me a h8ter. So I'll refrain fromn posting on it anymore as it is now officially off my radar.

  • March 18, 2007, 8:55 p.m. CST

    Football Jack

    by Steve_Dooku

    He does have a different tattoo, no? <br> http://tinyurl.com/2dhw4k <br> http://tinyurl.com/26z9c9

  • March 19, 2007, 4:11 p.m. CST

    your my boy Dooku!

    by byusc

    wow who would of thought my 1st post would brinf such reaction. now as far as jack, this picture shows that he has a "rose" or something tatoo on his left arm. if we can compare it to another picture and see what his left arm has we will have our answer. now to all of you haters who are pissed that you didn't figure it out, and that a "newbie" worked you all...SUCK IT! i am right and even if it isn't a "clone" it is some sort of person that is not jack. again i never said he was a clone ( i said it is a possibility), i just said that it isnt JACK!

  • March 19, 2007, 6:07 p.m. CST

    Claire & Jack will figure out via the song

    by minderbinder

    Claire says she learned it from her dad, it has been mentioned three times now. She'll be singing it to Aaron and Jack will say that his dad used to sing it too, and the light bulbs will go on. Same as Sawyer figuring out he met Jack's dad because they both used the Red Sox reference. I also note that with the boone death, they had an excuse to keep Jack from delivering the baby (and thus staying away from his sister's naughty bits, which would be creepy.

  • March 19, 2007, 7:10 p.m. CST

    Bad Twin

    by Steve_Dooku

    People were falling over themselves when that "novel" was revealed (of was it a screenplay?) I did read it, but I always remembered the title. <br> <br> Maybe the "bad twin" is the reason Jack gets the snot beaten out of him in Thailand, over a tattoo.

  • March 19, 2007, 7:29 p.m. CST

    Bad Twin Synopsis

    by Steve_Dooku

    Paul Artisan, P.I. is a new version of an old breed -- a righter of wrongs, someone driven to get to the bottom of things. Too bad his usual cases are of the boring malpractice and fraud variety. Until now. His new gig turns on the disappearance of one of a pair of twins, adult scions of a rich but tragedy-prone family. The missing twin -- a charismatic poster-boy for irresponsibility -- has spent his life daring people to hate him, punishing himself endlessly for his screw-ups and misdeeds. The other twin -- Artisan's client -- is dutiful and resentful in equal measure, bewildered that his "other half" could have turned out so badly, and wracked by guilt at his inability to reform him. He has a more practical reason, as well, for wanting his brother found: their crazy father, in failing health and with guilty secrets of his own, will not divide the family fortune until both siblings are accounted for. But it isn't just a fortune that's at stake here. Truth itself is up for grabs, as the detective's discoveries seem to challenge everything we think we know about identity, and human nature, and family. As Artisan journeys across the globe to track down the bad twin, he seems to have moved into a mirror-world where friends and enemies have a way of looking very much alike. The P.I. may have his long-awaited chance to put his courage and ideals to the test, but if he doesn't get to the bottom of this case soon, it could very well cost him his life. Troup's long-awaited Bad Twin is a suspenseful novel that touches on many powerful themes, including the consequence of vengeance, the power of redemption, and where to turn when all seems lost.

  • March 21, 2007, 8:47 a.m. CST

    Shorter Bad Twin Synopsis

    by Fount of Useless Info

    Mediocre detective fiction written as a blatant product tie-in in a desperate attempt to make more money from the popularity of a television show. <P> More importantly, where is this week's Lost talkback?

  • March 21, 2007, 10:36 a.m. CST

    Bad Twin

    by Steve_Dooku

    Was an approved part of the LOST Experience (which I didn't get into). The writer was given elements of the show and went with it. Later after it came out, the Producers claimed to be upset with the guy because there seemed to be some kind of misunderstanding with what was ok to use and not ok. <br> <br> As Artisan journeys across the globe to track down the bad twin, he seems to have moved into a mirror-world where friends and enemies have a way of looking very much alike. <br> <br> Who know's what is up with this show. It could go anywhere they want, really.

  • March 21, 2007, 12:07 p.m. CST

    Two weeks in a row.

    by kbaker13

    Where the hell is the new talkback for this week? I'm getting sick of waiting around all day on Wednesday to talk about Lost! I'm excited because it is wednesday, i want to talk about Lost Damn it!