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BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER’s First Season Launched 10 Years Ago Saturday!! Season 8 Begins Wednesday!!

Published at:  Mar 11, 2007 9:51:49 AM CDT

SPOILER ALERT !!

“You think you know what you are, what's to come. You haven't even begun.”


I am – Hercules!!



“Buffy the Vampire Slayer” came to The WB on March 10, 1997. I didn’t fall in love with it until the 15th episode, which ended with a new punk-rock vampire named Spike hoisting the season-one vampires’ imperious “chosen one” into the sunlight as Spike made this declaration:

“From now on, we're gonna have a little less ritual - and a little more fun around here!”


And what fun we had!! There are many subsequent episodes I would come to love even more, but you never forget your first.

Buffy and Dawn Summers, Xander Harris, Willow Rosenberg, Rupert Giles, Anya, Andrew, Spike, Angel and who knows who else all begin returning to us Wednesday, when the new “season eight” Buffy comic, written by Joss Whedon and a lot of the other old series writers – including Jane Espenson, Drew Goddard, Doug Petrie, Drew Greenberg and Steven DeKnight - finally hits the comic shops.

We’ll only get (at most) 12 Dark Horse Comics episodes a year (instead of the 22 we got via The WB and UPN), but we know it’ll run at least 30 issues.

Copies of the first issue are floating around. Here’s a few invisotexted hints of what you can look forward to this week:


* First a recap of what we learned in this space previously. Season eight starts about 15 months or so after Sunnydale got sucked into its own hellmouth. Buffy’s in Scotland, running Slayer Central Command with Xander Harris. (It turns out she was never in Italy; that blonde Spike and Angel saw in Rome near the end of “Angel’s” final season was a clever Buffy decoy.) Dawn is attending Berkeley but visiting her sister. Dawn boned a local “thricewise,” which caused her to grow some 60 feet in height.

* We learn via Buffy’s opening “voiceover” that about 1,800 young women have been transformed into slayers.

* The season begins with a Buffy-led assault on a church, which in turn gives Slayer Central a mystery to solve.

* The Initiative, or something like it, is seen on the edge of Sunnydale Crater. Something happens there.

* Buffy craves a boning of her own. Apparently no Angel, no Spike and no Immortal is servicing her twentysomething needs.

* The issue ends with the return of a character we met in one of the earliest of the first-season episodes. It’s not Willow, it’s not Giles, it’s not Jonathan, it’s not Jesse, it’s not Joyce, it’s not Principal Flutie, it’s not Darla, it’s not Harmony, it’s not The Master, it’s not The Chosen One, it’s not Angel and it’s not Cordelia Chase.


Can’t wait till Wednesday? Whedon and some of the other “Buffy” writers made sort of a dry-run at season eight by authoring these two volumes. They don't focus on Buffy Summers, but they’re all about her universe. And they’re kinda cheap!


Tales of the Slayers
by Joss Whedon, Jane Espenson, David Fury, Rebecca Rand Kirshner, Amber Benson, et al



Tales of the Vampires
by Joss Whedon, Jane Espenson, Drew Goddard, Ben Edlund, et al












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    Readers Talkback

  • Mar 10, 2007 3:08:27 PM CST

    LONG LIVE THE BUFFYVERSE!!!!

    by da coach

  • Mar 10, 2007 3:09:26 PM CST

    Praise God

    by tidmore

    Ten Years Gone and Still Going Strong, Can't wait for Season 8!!!

    Reply to Talkback

  • Mar 10, 2007 3:10:17 PM CST

    Time flies

    by mrd

    When you're getting old. I can't believe it's been a decade.

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  • Mar 10, 2007 3:15:26 PM CST

    I simply cannot wait...

    by roguewriter

    I am more than ready to begin calling myself a comic-book geek again, dammit. I had hoped the new DARK TOWER series would lead to that... but two issues in and my uberKing-geekness is overriding any chance of it, given the relative weakness of the writing (it's like a bad high-school fanfic voice trying to imitate King, dammit -- even the gorgeous art can't override the sloppy storytelling). The new BUFFY book, however, sounds too damned good to be true. Will begin haunting the local comics shop Wednesday, by jaysus...

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  • Mar 10, 2007 3:25:07 PM CST

    Yeah, I was missing that "Chosen One" by season 7

    by drath

    Wish they'd revived the Master or even the Anointed One again for Season 7. Spike was made into a gushing good guy, and the great Drusilla/Darla reunion was was wasted by the idiocy of Angel's pre-season 5 story arc, so decent vampire heavies were a thing of the past on Buffy by its last season. And after two seasons of crappy big bads (Adam and Glory sucked and not in the vampire way), and the sad demise of the great Nerds of Doom, the last season was really lame without a colorful villain. Although it was nice that it gave Nathan Fillion more work after the shitheads at Fox made him unemployed, but that's a whole other sad rant.

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  • Mar 10, 2007 3:27:21 PM CST

    Is it buffy's mom?

    by punto

    that's all I got

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  • Mar 10, 2007 3:35:24 PM CST

    You know, same here...

    by gregoryharbin

    I almost gave up on the Buffy DVD sets until that episode came along...Which reminds me, I need to go back and watch the five seasons I haven't seen yet.

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  • Mar 10, 2007 3:36:41 PM CST

    Happy 10th Anniversary everyone!

    by fatsackowind

    Can't wait for this Wednesday!

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  • Mar 10, 2007 3:42:18 PM CST

    it's Jennifer Calender!

    by datascream

    it's Jennifer Calender! Giles hawt bedbumper!

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  • Mar 10, 2007 3:44:36 PM CST

    sorry, Spike, Angel, et al do not appear

    by aicmb

    although there may be references made to them. But appear, they cannot, due to lawyers other than Wolfram & Hart.

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  • Mar 10, 2007 3:44:53 PM CST

    bad things happen on Buffy's Birthday...

    by zardoz

    let's hope only good things happen on her 10th anniversary! I came to the show late, because frankly, the movie sucked so bad, but I became a huge fan of it once I got into it and realized how damn good it really was; the humor, the drama, the pop-culture bliss! (And thanks to FX for letting me watch all of the eps I missed!) I can't wait for season eight...

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  • Mar 10, 2007 3:58:08 PM CST

    12 a year? Are you forgetting Fray?

    by bitterman23

    12 a decade maybe.

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  • Mar 10, 2007 3:58:27 PM CST

    Angel and Spike.

    by catvutt

    Joss has already clarified that they CAN and WILL appear, albeit very sparingly. He has every right to use the characters.

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  • Mar 10, 2007 4:09:12 PM CST

    Angel and Spike

    by gaiusthebrave

    So, does that mean we'll find out what happened that fateful night years ago on the finale? Obviously they survived, but will we get details? Did Illyria make any funny, insightful statements on the human condition by asking a dry question? Did Gunn die? Does Wesley Wyndham-Price go to hell for having sex outside of marriage? So many questions!

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  • Mar 10, 2007 4:10:43 PM CST

    the fineness of Jenny Calender:

    by newc0253

    that is all.

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  • Mar 10, 2007 4:16:25 PM CST

    There is a Rat in the Buffyverse

    by lennard

    Think about the Harry POtter books and Ron's pet and you will understand who the Bigbad is this season.

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  • Mar 10, 2007 4:29:30 PM CST

    Y'know... I hated TV in the 90's...

    by llghtst0rmer

    ...in fact, I even gave up having cable or even watching any TV from about 1996 to about 2002 or so. But the Tuesday morning that Buffy S1 was released on DVD, I was in a mood to spend (read: waste) a lot of money, so I bought it 'cause I have a bunch of friends who told me Buffy was so good.

    Favorite. Series. Ever.

    I ended buying up every season that came out, the day they hit the shelves. I moved on to buying all the Angel sets when they hit, too. Then Firefly came out - got it. I so got sucked into the Whedonverse, gladly and willfully. I even named my first son Xander.

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  • Mar 10, 2007 4:37:58 PM CST

    There's already an Angel comic...

    by prof. pop-cult

    Which takes place after the events of the series. And, unfortunately, it hasn't been good. (Oh and everybody survived in the series finale, including Gunn, but -- cliche of cliches -- he lost an eye.)

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  • Mar 10, 2007 4:43:20 PM CST

    Angel derserved better

    by liljuniorbrown

    I have not purchased a comic book in like twenty years (that would make me 28) but I will be at my local nerd hut wensday to buy one. I hope no hot females are parked nearby.

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  • Mar 10, 2007 4:43:57 PM CST

    you should have saved this talkback for...

    by charlie murphy

    ...you know, wednesday. unless there'll be another one then, in which case, proceed.

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  • Mar 10, 2007 4:47:14 PM CST

    Oh, and about Jenny Calendar:

    by llghtst0rmer

    Anybody know Ms. Calendar (real name - Robia LaMorte) was Pearl from Prince's Diamonds and Pearls album and videos? If you've ever seen Prince's "Gett Off" or "Cream" videos, she's the hotter-looking one of the two chicks. ;-)

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  • Mar 10, 2007 4:48:03 PM CST

    Link to Angel comic book...

    by prof. pop-cult

    http://www.idwpublishing.com/news/angel.shtml It's not a regular monthly series, like how the new Buffy comic series is going to be. The Angel comics are a bunch of mini series and one-shots spread out. And it's a mess, I feel. Overall, they're medicore. I gave up on them after the Spike mini-series.

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  • Mar 10, 2007 5:40:09 PM CST

    yeah its totally amy

    by gwarwilleatyou

    That was my first thought

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  • Mar 10, 2007 6:34:36 PM CST

    She saved the world. A lot.

    by nalapou

    Glad you're back Buffy...

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  • Mar 10, 2007 6:34:46 PM CST

    Maybe Xander?

    by xaos

    He wasn't mentioned in the "It's not..." list

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  • Mar 10, 2007 6:35:00 PM CST

    returning character prediction

    by blackhole4140

    It's Xander, you dickholes.

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  • Mar 10, 2007 6:38:59 PM CST

    No, I didn't mean Xander.

    by hercules

    Xander turns up very early in the first issue. This is a bigger surprise.

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  • Mar 10, 2007 6:42:43 PM CST

    shit the bed

    by blackhole4140

    not Xander? hmmm. can't wait to find out.

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  • Mar 10, 2007 6:46:54 PM CST

    read this synopsis for issue 4

    by gwarwilleatyou

    its amy http://www.comicscontinuum.com/stories/0703/10/darkhorsejune.htm

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  • Mar 10, 2007 6:48:28 PM CST

    minus those stupid spaces of course

    by gwarwilleatyou

  • Mar 10, 2007 7:06:25 PM CST

    I'm pretty sure he's talking about...

    by dance4days

    ...Amy. I remember reading about her raising an army of undead minions or something. As cool as it sounds, I don't really buy her as the season's big bad, though. She's probably working for someone (something?) else.

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  • Mar 10, 2007 7:08:47 PM CST

    Aw, c'mon that's easy. But if there's undead minions..

    by arguendo

    maybe it's Jesse. The guy got short thrift there -- minimal character development and so little mourning. How long was he buddies w/Xander and Willow anyhow?

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  • Mar 10, 2007 7:33:56 PM CST

    if its buffys dad...

    by dr.bulber

    hes 7 seasons too late. let me guess - buffy hates him. buffy sees him. buffy misses him. they reunite. theyre happy. he dies. and just what everyone wants 60 feet worth of whiny dawn?

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  • Mar 10, 2007 7:49:04 PM CST

    Masturbating Whedonites

    by performingmonkey

    I'd bone Dawn alright.

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  • Mar 10, 2007 7:56:13 PM CST

    Robia La Morte (Miss Calendar) is still hot, but....

    by oisin5199

    she's kinda batshit insane. She's a total born again Christian who gives talk at religious rallies rather than fan conventions. Kinda ironic, since she was a 'techno-pagan' on the series. Oh yeah, I might actually stand outside my comic shop waiting for it to open on Wednesday.

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  • Mar 10, 2007 7:57:25 PM CST

    there is no current WB

    by oisin5199

    if there was, we might have had those Spike movies. Instead we have the CW and Zombie 7th Heaven. And freakin' Pussycat Dolls. I ask you.

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  • Mar 10, 2007 8:00:39 PM CST

    guess on the appearance

    by oisin5199

    the only person I can think of that's not on that list is Luke, the Master's vessel, or Catherine Madison , Amy's mother (maybe she broke out of that statue!). Or Amy herself. Those are the only characters that would make any sense.

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  • Mar 10, 2007 8:05:19 PM CST

    Robia LaMorte.

    by catvutt

    Yeah, she's got inspirational CDs or something too, I think. Makes the Prince-penned '51 Hours' promo track that she sang on with 'Diamond' all the more hilarious (but bad. Very very bad. Not something for listening enjoyment). And it absolutely is Amy, but...and I can't remember where...I thought I saw reference to her 'boyfriend' or something too. I don't know who that is.

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  • Mar 10, 2007 8:20:46 PM CST

    Wouldn't Angel and Spike have smelled it's not Buffy?

    by shan

    I never got a handle on how close vampires had to be to be able to identify a smell.

    I can't say I care for how they're effectively retconning an Angel episode in this way (since we're never going to see a resolution to it on screen involving the characters from Angel).

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  • Mar 10, 2007 8:27:42 PM CST

    Shan.

    by catvutt

    I thought of that too, but frankly, there's multiple instances of inconsistancies with the whole smell thing throughout the series. Think Season 4 and Cordy's slaugher of Manny. She supposedly stripped down to do it and then got dressed, and woke up Angel? He should've smelled the blood all over her, which would've tipped them all way before they ever brought Angelus back. (One of many things that never made sense in that season, but I digress.) As far as the retcon though, I actually like this one because it's explained that it was Andrew's specific idea to hook her up with The Immortal, which puts a great spin on it, for me.

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  • Mar 10, 2007 8:38:26 PM CST

    How can it be Amy?

    by irish ape

    We saw her after season 1, obviously. Maybe I misread the hint.

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  • Mar 10, 2007 8:39:30 PM CST

    nevermind

    by irish ape

    Met in season one...not SINCE season one. My apologies.

    Whedon rocks.

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  • Mar 10, 2007 9:07:38 PM CST

    BWARGH! NOT THE SAME!

    by demosthenes2

    I hate comics. I love Buffy. Hate comics. Love Buffy. *head explodes*

    TV SPINOFF! Could be Giles, Amy the rat, Dawn, Doublemeat Palace, Halfrek, Andrew, Illyria, Parking-Ticket Lady-I DON'T CARE! ANYTHING!

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  • Mar 10, 2007 9:18:07 PM CST

    I still love...

    by catvutt

    Whoever the TBer was who had the 'Illyria and the Burkles' idea. That could've been absolutely awesome. Illyria pretending to be Fred, living in Texas, and plotting to take over the world while Roger and Patricia keep trying to get her married off to some local hick or something. Just so much potential for dark hilarity there.

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  • Mar 10, 2007 9:20:21 PM CST

    Remember when Spike was cool?

    by angelcordy

    Second Season Spike > Every other Season Spike. He was so awesome in his first episodes. Then, not so much.

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  • Mar 10, 2007 9:30:12 PM CST

    Reggie0944

    by bugaboo

    My girlfriend works for dark horse, has read the first few issues and...

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    It's Amy and she is with a "mystery partner" that is "less than human" but referred to as "her boyfriend".

    So far the comics are amazing....

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  • Mar 10, 2007 9:37:04 PM CST

    You know, I understand some of this nostalgia...

    by annoyyou

    ...but let's get real: the show was cancelled, what? Five years ago? Three years ago? And although I'll admit it was singular, it's hardly iconoclastic -- the only thing it has really spawned is the now-weak Veronica Mars. Big whoop. Hey, I loved Buffy in its heyday (S4 through the first half of 6), but it's over, and one could hardly call a comic book "Season 8." Let's get some perspective, kids.

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  • Mar 10, 2007 9:37:22 PM CST

    come on...

    by bugaboo

    If there are issues out there, who has read them?

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  • Mar 10, 2007 9:41:07 PM CST

    Your bugging me, Im bugging

    by bugaboo

    Your bugging me, Im bugging you? Im just a bugaboo...

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  • Mar 10, 2007 10:11:09 PM CST

    I was always under the impression...

    by datascream

    that Buffy and the whole Slayer squad would have showed up at the end of Angel and helped Angel, Spike and everyone else out in the LA Apocalypse, basically showing Buffy's change of heart about Angel working for Wolfram & Hart. How badass would THAT have been? Buffy leading the rest of the girls with the rest of the slayers standing on rooftops, Goddess Willow doing some glowy thing and what-not. Would have been a great nerdgasm.

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  • Mar 10, 2007 11:48:21 PM CST

    Herc, I luv ya

    by daphmax

    you are so typical with the BtVS 10 year anniversary posting ... but it works.

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  • Mar 11, 2007 12:02:41 AM CST

    Waitasec oisin

    by mrd

    You're gonna wait outside for your comic shop to open, in order to get the next "episode" of a long dead tv show, and Robia La Morte is the one who's batshit insane?

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  • Mar 11, 2007 1:00:43 AM CST

    I got it. . .

    by thestarkiller01

    It's either Sid the Dummy or the praying mantis lady's kids. Remember the end of that episode? It showed the unhatched eggs under the desk in the science lab but there was never any follow up to that. There's a possibility that those eggs survived the destruction of Sunnydale, I'll be it, a small one.

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  • Mar 11, 2007 1:12:29 AM CST

    "Everybody calls me "Ma'am" these days."

    by zardoz

    The first 6 pages are available for peepage at Dark Horse Comics online. Looks freakin' sweet!

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  • Mar 11, 2007 1:29:52 AM CST

    Sid

    by xaos

    is a possibility, since he made a comic appearance before and was a playable character in one of the video games :)

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  • Mar 11, 2007 9:33:34 AM CDT

    You naysayers...

    by roguewriter

    I rike you. You make me raff. =)

    I'm still excited, despite learning Amy's the early lead for Big Bad (never cared much for her on the show, though that brief rat-to-Amy-back-to-rat moment in S4 was freakin brilliant). But I'm with whomever noted above that she'd probably working for (or the unwitting pawn of) some other TRUE Big Bad. Amy's nasty... but she doesn't really have the stuff to take on the Slayers and Nu-Willow. I wouldn't mind seeing her carve Andrew's weenie ass a bit, though.

    And I truly do NOT want to see anyone from ANGEL now; if there's no time/room to deal with that epic series finale in detail, better to leave it hanging altogether. I do like the idea of Buff and the Slayers descending en masse and saving the day... but that would mean Angel, Spike et al being central to the new comics, and that's WAY too many characters to serve properly. Especially with Dawn taking up a full page every three or whatever, now that she's all huge-ful. Bring it on!!

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  • Mar 11, 2007 9:34:41 AM CDT

    Oisin5199 = Batsh!t Insane?

    by nemesisdarkside

    Being born-again and speaking at religious rallies = "batshit insane"?If you had said something like "preaches homophobia and blowing up abortion clenics" then I'd get what you were talking about. But she's "Batshit insane" just for embracing her faith? Wow, and I thought fundamental Christians were meant to be the kneejerk-y bigoted ones!Whatever, Buffy's back. Isn't BKV writing an issue also? Can't wait. However, I think I may wait for the TPB as I prefer reading comics that way.

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  • Mar 11, 2007 9:38:52 AM CDT

    Annoy You...

    by llghtst0rmer

    How can you possibly say that Seasons 4 through (the first half of) 6 were the "heyday" of the show?? Season 2 hands down the definitive season of the series. Personally, I'm not one of those fans who found so much to dislike in any particular season that they feel compelled to say "this one sucked" or "they should have stopped at ___." I love every season. However, I really thought S4 was the most disorganized, the most awkward run out of the series. (I mean... the Initiative? The Psych professor as an undercover military agent?? And... Adam??? Adam had to be by FAR the weakest, worst idea for a villain in the entire Buffyverse.) 5 was a great comeback (especially "The Body" - one of the greatest episodes of ANY TV show ever, IMO,) and I loved Glory as a villain, though I believe I'm in a minority on that. But most people would concede that S6, as wild as it got from time to time was remarkable for its sheer silliness. Some of its episodes were BtVS at its finest (Seeing Red, Once More With Feeling, of course, and Life Serial is a personal favorite,) but it was at that point that you just knew the show wasn't the same as it was before. So again, I ask... how can you say that was the heyday of the series?

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  • Mar 11, 2007 9:41:13 AM CDT

    But didn't it AnnoyYou?

    by arguendo

    First off -- I do not attest to the *quality* of the shows I'm mentioning here, just that they exist (and their prevalence). It's hard to call anything iconoclastic -- almost everything these days has precedents. However, the show did set the stage for an innumerable number of additional shows on network TV (of varying quality) -- Roswell, 4400, Smallville, Supernatural, Alias, Tru Calling, Charmed, and most likely today's Medium and Ghost Whisperer. (For the record, I never followed any of those shows, so feel free to try to shoot me down on any one of them.) The overall impact was to mainstream sci-fi / fantasy (and strong female action leads). This was definitely out there before (X-files, Millenium, Twilight Zone, Twin Peaks, Sabrina the Teenage Witch -- which actually spawned a plethora of sci-fi fantasy on ABC which almost all immediately failed), but most of those did not have quite the lasting impact as Buffy seemed to. And people seem to have the perspective -- they're excited about a new story arc. So it's not a new television season, but calling it season 8 is simpler than calling it "story arc 8" (although the number of syllables is the same). Plus, that's how it is being billed so it simply makes sense to reference it that way.

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  • Mar 11, 2007 9:42:51 AM CDT

    I liked Glory as a villain...

    by roguewriter

    ... but I thought Claire Kramer was far and away the worst actress the series has ever given us. Really spoiled a lot of the great moments from what remains one of my favorite seasons regardless. (Hey, I can't find the first pages of the new comic on the darkhorse site -- anyone got a direct link?)

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  • Mar 11, 2007 9:44:05 AM CDT

    Season 8 Vs. Story Arc 8

    by roguewriter

    Umm... HOW is that the same number of syllables, Engrish majuh? =)

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  • Mar 11, 2007 10:40:27 AM CDT

    I'll pick this up in tpb form if I can wait...

    by spectre agent

    1.I always felt bad for Amy. I don't want her to go evil.


    2.Yeah, what about Jesse? He was buds w/ Willow and Xander all their lives and they just forgot about him! Very unchracteristic of the show not to even faeture him in a flasback or anything.

    3.Drusilla better buy it in this series though. She is the only unfinished villain left. Kendra must be avenged!

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  • Mar 11, 2007 10:43:22 AM CDT

    Don't Forget! Hellboy movie on CN, Saturday!

    by spectre agent

    So don't say you have not been warned...

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  • Mar 11, 2007 10:55:20 AM CDT

    I thought Kendra was the worst part of the series...

    by datascream

    hands down actually. Maybe that chick that turned invisible will come back. It left her off in a government controlled school room teaching them assassination techniques or whatever. Kinda left it WIDE open for a follow-up.

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  • Mar 11, 2007 11:06:34 AM CDT

    I thought Eddie Murphy saved the Chosen One?

    by billypilgrim

    Maybe TASG in a 2 frame guest appearance is the surprise.

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  • Mar 11, 2007 11:09:08 AM CDT

    Best seasons were 1-3.

    by mrfan

    Once they graduated high school I think the show lost some of its luster. Don't get me wrong. There were some great episodes to follow. I just think that the show started to lose direction. Season four had the Intiative and Adam. What kind of villian is this clown? Season five had the Glory and Dawn storyline. Sorry Dawn fans she should have ended her storyline that season. Nice actress but nothing to do for seasons 6 and 7 except whine. I won't even discuss season 7. I honestly think one thing that hurt the show was Giles not being around that much. I know it was an actors decision but I think his presence was important to the show and affected it greatly. Like I said the best seasons were 1-3.

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  • Mar 11, 2007 12:15:30 PM CDT

    Catvutt et al

    by shan

    I actually took the view that everything that happened in Buffy (in total) and Angel upto the end of Season 4 was manipulated to bring Jasmine into existence. Every single character and event were manipulated over presumably countless ages. The 4 series of Angel were basically the end run of this plan.

    Season 1 - bring Darla back. Season 2 - get Darla pregnant by Angel.
    Season 3 - get Connor born, Cordelia into the higher planes.

    Season 4 - get Cordelia back, pregnant by Connor and get the doorway open.

    Buffy had moments of earlier events getting everyone lined up into position such as Darla, Angel, Spike, Drusila and who knows how many others.

    The way I see it, I like to think that the Senior Partner quietly nudged things at the end of Season 4 and brought the whole thing off the rails in short order.

    Season 5's premise was a stroke of genius - gradually compromise Angel's principles over time and then co-opt him. The return of Cordelia was great as it showed how much everyone had changed in such a short time.

    I still feel the show was only one season away from ending anyway and that it's a tragedy that Season 6 wasn't made to wrap things up on their own terms and pace.

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  • Mar 11, 2007 12:53:16 PM CDT

    Buffy Cancelled?

    by buffywrestling

    Not really. Had it's series finale, not like it was yanked off the schedule or anything.

    I'm a big fan and continue to cycle through my DVDs of Buffy but I am not much into comics anymore. I can't see myself buying them because it's not a medium that's convient or comfortable for me.

    Although I wonder, with so many of the old writers being brought back, if the Stakehouse will start having posts in it again.

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  • Mar 11, 2007 2:20:21 PM CDT

    buffy angel

    by mr_x

    i miss this tv series. never watched it when it first cam out, i thought it was a series for high school kids / girls. i beleive it was on season 5 when i actually caught an old epsiode ( the dracula ep) on tv. i found t hilarious and well writen, and started chasing all the epsiodes, brought all the dvd series for buffy and angel and dammit i miss the universe. i used to be a big comic nerd, but i cant see myself picking up the series maybe a graphic novel collection.

    we need a new buffyverse series on tv dammit, all the programs on air at the moment are the same and full of eventual dissapointment. buffy and angel had constant good eps. yeah true, a couple fo them were dodgy, and one of 2 seeason went off on a bit of a tangent. but my god what two great series to look back on and get.

    I rarly buy dvds. truth be told i usually download torrents. but those sereies were so good i just had to buy them on dvd.

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  • Mar 11, 2007 2:43:39 PM CDT

    it's a fantastical world beyond imagination

    by buck swoop

    as the doc says in Episode 117 - "Normal Again" and i can't wait for more of the Buffyverse. Thank you JW.

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  • Mar 11, 2007 3:13:32 PM CDT

    Angel comics HAVE been uneven....

    by carmillavondoom

    but Angel Spotlight: Illyria really nailed the character in my opinion. Just got published in a trade, Peter David wrote it. Too bad Illyria couldn't cross over...damn rights issues!

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  • Mar 11, 2007 3:34:19 PM CDT

    This news is way way way off topic...

    by emeraldboy

    But the comedian Richard Jeni Was found dead today of a self inflicted gun shot wound.

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  • Mar 11, 2007 3:39:58 PM CDT

    I never reall liked dawn sommers

    by emeraldboy

    Thought She was useless and annoying. And incipient. but not pointless

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  • Mar 11, 2007 3:47:40 PM CDT

    When was Oz introduced?

    by mechasheeva

    Could he be that returning character? It's been too long . . .

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  • Mar 11, 2007 3:51:52 PM CDT

    gigantic Dawn already found love:

    by newc0253

    apparently that's why she's gigantic.

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  • Mar 11, 2007 4:45:56 PM CDT

    comic writers and Robia

    by oisin5199

    Outside of Joss, Peter David is probably the best Angel comic writer. At least when it comes to Spike. His first oneshot and the Spike vs Dracula series were great, as was the Illyria one-shot. The rest have been uneven, imo. In the older Buffy series, Nicieza's take on the Buffyverse was the best. The series set just before the time of the tv show (which, ironically, was the end of the comic) was the best and most like the show, with great metaphors for the emotions around divorce. The early Buffy comics were pretty lightweight crap, though. And Robia La Morte isn't batshit insane 'just' because she speaks at born again rallies. She's batshit insane because, well, because she is. If you've ever read any of her blogs or 'messages' to her fans, you'll know what I'm talking about.

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  • Mar 11, 2007 5:22:52 PM CDT

    The Chosen One

    by devil by the deed

    Wasn't his name Colin? I haven't seen the first season in ages.

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  • Mar 11, 2007 7:14:21 PM CDT

    Dawn was easily the weakest link.

    by rbatty024

    It was clever how they introduced her, because it's such a TV show cliche to bring in the younger cousin or sister, but they made work. Too bad the character wasn't done well enough to justify the extra character. Whoever mentioned Oz coming back probably hit the nail on the head. I'm looking forwad to this.

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  • Mar 11, 2007 8:28:13 PM CDT

    "Did I ever thank you for saving my life?" "No."...

    by danielkurland

    "Don't you wish I would?" When She Was Bad, is a terribly under rated episode. This show was the start of me making appointment television and realizing what can be achieved through the medium with arcs. Goddamn if seasons 2-3 aren't some incredible television (Not that the others are bad), and seasons 2-4 of Angel.

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  • Mar 11, 2007 8:40:33 PM CDT

    The current post-finale Angel comic is NOT canon...

    by danielkurland

    This has been stated by Joss himself. So yeah, it may nto be great, but it doesn't need to be, it's not officially continuing what happened after the show. This comic will however. Also, I know for season 6 of Angel they were discussing bringing Oz back as a foil for Nina, and were going to have Illyria split into two entities, one as Illyria, and one as Fred (which sounds absolutely terrible, and I'd like to hope this idea was merely a one-note suggestion that wouldn't have developed).

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  • Mar 11, 2007 11:19:23 PM CDT

    it seems a lot of people didn't care for season 5

    by datascream

    of Angel. Personally that has to be one of my favorite seasons. It's defiantly one of the most funny to say the least. Muppet Angel, the Caveman vs Spaceman running gag, the trip to Italy. The inclusion of Spike really amped up the season for me. Also Wesley losing Fred ONLY AFTER HE FINALLY GOT WITH HER!! Proving once again the guy never got a fucking break the whole series. Great season. And a great series. But that's just MHO

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  • Mar 11, 2007 11:40:19 PM CDT

    Alright, you nerds...

    by mr_macphisto

    ...you've forced me to out-nerd you. The kid wasn't "The Chosen One". He was "The Annointed One". God! Get it right! And, uh, carry on.

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  • Mar 12, 2007 12:44:53 AM CDT

    ESF: There's so much to love about Astonishing X-Men

    by oisin5199

    though my favorite Wolverine scenes were 1)a closeup shot of Wolverine smelling a can of beer and remembering who he is after he'd been brainwashed into thinking he was a prissy little boy, 2) and Wolverine silently looking back and forth at Peter and Kitty while sniffing. Then he says 'bout time'. Great shorthand to tell us that Peter and Kitty have finally done the deed. And I love what's he done with Lockheed. Not sure about this Breakworld stuff though.

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  • Mar 12, 2007 5:33:56 AM CDT

    My choices but first...

    by black satin 2

    Whedon's X-Men comics are great, but I've narrowed it down to either Amy's mom, the Invisible girl (who was Clea DuVall, last seen in Heroes) or Owen, the boy who Buffy almost got killed on her first date. He might drop by to catch her up on what he's been doing and almost get killed again. I expect their dialog to probably be 2 or 3 words, short, funny and right to the point. Quinessential Whedon.

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  • Mar 12, 2007 12:13:55 PM CDT

    Whedon's X-Men is just about the only thing...

    by rbatty024

    I actually buy from Marvel these days. Anyone who doesn't feel like going out to the comic book shop should just wait for the trades. Anyone who just doesn't like the medium of comics should check out Scalped. It's pretty much an HBO series in comic form. Except it's even better.

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  • Mar 12, 2007 12:33:42 PM CDT

    Oh, and cookylamoo...

    by rbatty024

    I kept on saying to everyone that Willow was going to be the the main villian for the seventh season. I was absolutely certain of it. Too bad, because that would have had a lot of potential.

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  • Mar 12, 2007 2:34:38 PM CDT

    All this BUFFY talk compelled me to start over...

    by roguewriter

    And yeah, Season 1 is still pretty rocky, a decade later. Funny, though, and clever as hell. Still, I'm looking forward to reaching Season 2, and settling in for a whole lotta REAL stabby-vampy fun...

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  • Mar 12, 2007 2:52:57 PM CDT

    I'm preparing to do the same, Roguewriter...

    by ellipsian

    ...and I'm trying to bring a friend into the 'Verse with me. Seeing is believing...

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  • Mar 12, 2007 4:21:58 PM CDT

    I'm just going to say it...

    by childe roland

    ...Spike sucked in the latter seasons of Buffy. He was a phenomenal villain when first introduced, but when he became the creepy/lovesick/stalkerish date-rapist, I lost all interest in him and, because she seemed to enjoy the weirdness, in Buffy. And I maintain that Spike's best appearances have been on Angel (his first, where he was MST3King an alley rescue, was priceless). The character really came into his own during Angel's 5th season and redeemed that show for me (I was getting ready to drop it after the Cordy/Connor/ridiculously-crappy-Jasmine arc). So I've really got no interest in revisiting Buffy. Giles? Sure. Xander? Yeah...I'd be very curious to see how he's adjusting to life after Sunnydale. Willow? Lesbian wtichiness is always good with me. But Buffy bores the shit out of me and has pretty much since she came back from the dead.

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  • Mar 12, 2007 5:30:23 PM CDT

    It's gotta be

    by quin the eskimo

    the dude from Six Feet Under, The OC, Secondhand Lions, and 24. O yeah. I'm smart.

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  • Mar 12, 2007 5:49:16 PM CDT

    Eric Balfour

    by quin the eskimo

    also of LAX

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  • Mar 12, 2007 8:04:04 PM CDT

    The Big Bad is Miss Kitty Fantastico!!!

    by james_o'nasty

    The worst by far was Riley...smarmy asshole. Hated that dick! Not to mention Willow's new girlfriend.

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  • Mar 13, 2007 1:12:35 AM CDT

    When are we gonna get the angel series

    by novaman5000

    complete dvd set like they did for buffy a while back. I'd pick that shit up in a heartbeat.

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  • Mar 13, 2007 4:55:40 PM CDT

    it's not Jessie

    by oisin5199

    Balfour played Jessie and he's on the list of people who aren't possible candidates for a return. Besides, he got dusted. Not that he stopped a vampire, but I don't see anyone going through elaborate rituals to bring back Jessie.

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  • Mar 14, 2007 7:04:21 AM CDT

    I'll wait for the trade paperbacks

    by zero clu

    Speaking of which, are any of the existing trade paperbacks worth getting (the updated origin story books, altered to fit the series' continuity etc etc). Basically, is there any more history of the party of 4 (angelus, spike, darla and dru - badasses limited)?

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  • Mar 14, 2007 5:44:49 PM CDT

    Something New

    by _maltheus_

    I liked Buffy and Angel all the way to the end. Liked Firefly too. Give me a new show to like Joss. Although I wouldn't mind one last vampire movie/miniseries before everyone (including Joss) gets too old. They ended things well, but I'll take all the good TV I can get.

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