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A Teeny Tidbit More On THE DARK KNIGHT's New Batsuit??

Merrick again...
I don't recall running across this too widely...the only place I found reference to it was HERE...although our tipster makes it sound like the changes to the new suit are more dramatic than posited in the article linked above. Aonemantidalwave sent in this snippet regarding a recent encounter he had with someone working on THE DARK KNIGHT. I've tweaked this message to avoid revealing the identity of the person working on the film.

Both Christian Bale and Christopher Nolan have seen a new Batsuit & there's been a fitting. I told this person how I didn't particularly dig the suit in Batman Begins and said it was too bulky. To this he/she replied, "Well then you'll love the new one." He/she also stated that Bats changes his suit halfway through the film - and its a major plotpoint as to the how and why this happens. He/she sadly, had no news about the Joker's get up.
This source is new to us, so keep that in mind when contemplating the vast array of costuming possibilities here. If I'm repeating something that's already widely known, my apologies.

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  • March 9, 2007, 8:48 a.m. CST


    by gorydon


  • March 9, 2007, 8:51 a.m. CST

    I/me didn't mind the first suit

    by just pillow talk

    But then again, I/me didn't read Batman, so I/me am not sure how it should look. Interesting how it may be a result of getting his ass kicked perhaps? Suit 'destroyed' perhaps?

  • March 9, 2007, 8:51 a.m. CST

    Batman in tights!

    by everstranger

    Yeah! Bring back more superheros in tights!

  • March 9, 2007, 8:52 a.m. CST

    I knew the suit would be changing, but not how much

    by Doctor_Sin

    Hmmm...what major plot point would force Batman into a new suit? Did the Joker fuck his old one up, or did Bats get caught with his tactical pants down and need a redo of the jammies?

  • March 9, 2007, 8:52 a.m. CST

    Nipples=Flames on Shia LeBoeuf

    by Stallion_Cornell

    Batman gotta eat.

  • March 9, 2007, 8:53 a.m. CST

    and the bat dance!

    by everstranger

    Yeah! Bring back the bat dance too!

  • March 9, 2007, 8:55 a.m. CST

    He needs some of that...

    by gorydon

    Shark repellent on his belt. Just in case he and Robin get attacked by a shark. That's like a normal thing for Batman.

  • March 9, 2007, 8:55 a.m. CST

    Shia laBouffe is Robin

    by everstranger

    My fortune teller confirmed that to me this morning...

  • March 9, 2007, 8:58 a.m. CST

    The Yellow Emblem

    by Jam Banjo

    Wouldn't it be changing the emblem to a more prominent Bat on a yellow Background plate, to draw a gunman's attention and make them aim there - as it is the most heavily shielded part of his suit?

  • March 9, 2007, 9 a.m. CST

    Too Venomy!!

    by boba_rob

    I didn't mind the old suit either. It made sense. Real military and police vests are bulky.

  • March 9, 2007, 9:02 a.m. CST

    I also kind of liked the Batsuit from "Begins"

    by Datascream

    Bale was at least able to turn his head. Check out the special features on the batsuit on the Batman Begins special features disc and they mention Bale wanted that ability because of the old Tim Burton version. Plus it looked practical.

  • March 9, 2007, 9:02 a.m. CST

    I like how its incorporated into the plot

    by SPECTRE Agent

    I always hated when something is upgraded between films and no one mentions it.

  • March 9, 2007, 9:03 a.m. CST

    i find it uncomfortable...

    by datachasm

    ... that a he/she is working on Batman... thanks!

  • March 9, 2007, 9:10 a.m. CST

    Raises more questions that it answers.

    by Gwai L0

    And I myself have a question. Anybody want to tell me what page number of Zombie's Halloween script the GOTTA TAKE A SHIT MASK appears on? I have the script but don't want to read the whole thing.

  • March 9, 2007, 9:11 a.m. CST


    by kbass

    like the suit is a little too Venomy for my tastes. Sorry. Wrong thread.

  • March 9, 2007, 9:11 a.m. CST

    It always bothered me

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    that in a film that strived so hard for believability they put the hero in a suit that looks like it's hard to walk in let alone fight gangsters and whatnot. Also, what's he got, a catheter in there? Poor guy must be pissing himself all the time. I hope they streamline it a bit for this new one. Also, the geek in me would love to see the yellow and black oval logo.

  • March 9, 2007, 9:12 a.m. CST

    The Bat-suit should function AND look freakin' COOL!!!

    by JDanielP

    But don't stray too far. And I'm touchy about the *Bat-ears* ...because they can look either great or REALLY BAD.

  • March 9, 2007, 9:16 a.m. CST

    Nipples on Shia LePrime gotta eat, Jerry Bruckheimer!

    by jolaz

    As long as it doesn't look like the suit from the Batman Beyond cartoon, I'm fine with it.

  • March 9, 2007, 9:19 a.m. CST

    It kind of ...

    by jimmy rabbitte

    makes sense that Bruce Wayne would develop and change his Bat suit as time goes along, for practical reasons. The only way to *really* lose credibility would be by adding nipples and butt cracks to it. ...and since Schumacher is nowhere in sight we're, hopefully, going to be spared that nonsense.

  • March 9, 2007, 9:20 a.m. CST

    by Blueballs333

    Check out the link......

  • March 9, 2007, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Always felt Batman shud've a bit of Vadar about him...

    by redtom

    ... as in being taller and imposing and sort of lordly like... hopefully the new suit will reflect this a bit...

  • March 9, 2007, 9:21 a.m. CST

    Nipples and dimples and cracks oh my!!!!

    by Big_Bubbaloola

    I agree that basing the bat suit on existing or near future tech was a good idea. As JDanielP said, be careful with dem ears.

  • March 9, 2007, 9:23 a.m. CST

    Hopefully, the important plot point

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    will be when The Joker uses his freeze ray in the Gotham museum, and Bats reveals the retractable ice skates in his boots.<p>That, I think, would be a fitting tribute to the Schumacher classics on which this Batman series is based.

  • March 9, 2007, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Look at the unit on that guy! Is that Prince?

    by uss cygnus

    Holy Robert Mapplethorpe, Batman!

  • March 9, 2007, 9:29 a.m. CST

    No yellow and black oval logo

    by eric haislar

    I hate that fucking thing. They haven't used it for years in the comics anyway.

  • March 9, 2007, 9:31 a.m. CST

    What's the truth regarding Katie Holmes in the sequel?!

    by JDanielP

    I'm not especially thrilled (to be reading) that she's "working out" for her role in the sequel. But I suppose that ONE optimistic way to look at it is that... she might be getting some self-defense tips from Bruce... and she just wants to convey what she's learned. And besides, ...I wouldn't replace her with another actress. If she wasn't to be in this, then they should establish her death right from the beginning. Fish her (character's) body from the Gotham drink or something. Add to Bruce's personal motivation and determination. (If they're planning for the next Bat-girl, then we're in trouble, folks. But Nolan is smarter than that. Right?)

  • March 9, 2007, 9:32 a.m. CST

    Batman's a RUBBERNECKER!

    by aceattorney

    I hate the rubber neck.

  • March 9, 2007, 9:33 a.m. CST



    I liked the suit in Begins... thought it served its purpose and it looked great.... Just saw the Prestige too... that Nolan I tells ya... Great director...

  • March 9, 2007, 9:37 a.m. CST

    so is katie holmes in or out?

    by hesky75

    because the article makes it sound like shes in!!!!

  • March 9, 2007, 9:42 a.m. CST

    Model it on the first suit

    by kingoflight

    And by that i mean the first batman micheal keaton FTW

  • March 9, 2007, 9:43 a.m. CST

    No, wait, I changed my mind

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Halfway through the film, Batman changes into his GOTTA TAKE A SHIT SUIT! That makes perfect sense, now I think about it.<p>Nobody tell Gwai LO what page of the script it happens on.

  • March 9, 2007, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Joker Face Cutting

    by RainesMaker

    I gotta source that says in the script Joke slices his cheeks Pan's style to extend his smile... freaky.

  • March 9, 2007, 9:49 a.m. CST


    by Russman

    Why do they always have to make changes!!

  • March 9, 2007, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Bale's the first actor with the right kind of build

    by Snookeroo

    to not NEED a rubber suit. Put him in a cloth suit -- that makes more sense. Having Batman run around in a stormtrooper outfit always seemed too cumbersome. Make the face area of the cowl rubber, but the rest of the cowl cloth, like it's drawn in the comics. At least that way he could turn his head, for cryin' out loud.

  • March 9, 2007, 9:52 a.m. CST

    All I want from the new batsuit....

    by BillyBatts

    Use CG to make his eyes glow!!! Damnit! It would look so cool. Irises are for suckers.

  • March 9, 2007, 9:58 a.m. CST

    This is aweseome...

    by fractureJonze

    I want to see a cloth suit, like the tv show, only DARKER. And make the mask like Jim Lee's Batmin please.

  • March 9, 2007, 10:02 a.m. CST

    Half way through, we get nipples on the batsuit

    by Pete Schwette

    This time around we get a logical explanation why, however

  • March 9, 2007, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Shia LaBeouf!!!!! NOT IN INDY 4!!!!!!!

    by eric haislar

    YAY! Are Prayers to the movie gods have been answered!

  • March 9, 2007, 10:07 a.m. CST

    The cloth suits make you look fat.

    by rev_skarekroe

    The guy in the "Dead End" fan film was a bodybuilder or something, and he just looked chunky in that costume.

  • March 9, 2007, 10:08 a.m. CST

    i didn't like the suit in begins, but,

    by OneintenMan

    it made sense. The suit would start off bulky and he'd slowly refine it. I hope the ears are longer though.

  • March 9, 2007, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Good! I fuckin' hated that massive neck

    by Steve Rogers

    The costume in Batman Begins was a let-down, and a shame cos most of the rest of the flick rocked (Bale's bat-voice was kinda stupid at times but hey, he was a great Bruce Wayne). I'll be glad to see the back of the massive rubber neck and inability to turn his fuckin' head. Too much rubber everywhere. I was a bit surprised why, as they were re-booting everything, they stuck with the stupid OTT rubber look. A more cloth-like and flexible Batman would be awesome.

  • March 9, 2007, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Its probably a mechanical suit

    by iwontwin

    Somekind of battle armor suit. I don't know how well batman works in reality without a bulky suit...he is only human, he needs protection.

  • March 9, 2007, 10:34 a.m. CST

    just a suggestion

    by purplemonkeydw

    try a nipple look, I think the fanboys will like it

  • March 9, 2007, 10:51 a.m. CST

    I'd be more impressed if just for once they announced

    by ExcaliburFfolkes

    ...that they weren't going to change the darn thing. Do the makers of the Batman films have some sort of vendetta against continuity?

  • March 9, 2007, 10:53 a.m. CST

    White Batman Suit??

    by boyblue

    The White Batman suit in the Current "The Batman" cartoon series kicked ass!! But PLease no Nipples!!

  • March 9, 2007, 10:54 a.m. CST

    The whole rubber suit thing started because

    by Snookeroo

    Tim Burton has a rubber fetish. Name a Tim Burton movie that doesn't have tons of black rubber. And pale people.

  • March 9, 2007, 10:56 a.m. CST

    ok, well, Tim Burton has a rubber fetish and

    by Snookeroo

    Micheal Keaton had a whimpy build.

  • March 9, 2007, 10:57 a.m. CST


    by boyblue

    Dude, Its all to do with marketing! This just means I have to buy a whole new set of Batman toys for my Kids rather than just buy the figures of the new characters to go with all the last films figures. I just hope they dont change the Tumbler!! I had to buy 2 of them, one for each Kid and since it came in 2 colours I had to get both!!

  • March 9, 2007, 11:02 a.m. CST

    EARS that point OUT (making a "V" from chin) ...suck!!!

    by JDanielP

    Anything before '89 "BATMAN" isn't even worth mentioning, here. But of all the Bat-suits represented in the movies thus far, the least likable of the Bat-ears are in "BATMAN BEGINS", as the ears point inward. It's not that Bale's costume ears were tragically horrible. However, they gave an optical illusion of being a bit off, ...not perfect reflections of each ear, ...when seen from a particular angle. (I'm a stickler for details.) I'm just saying that they can do much better. I feel that if they stay within the art-style of Jim Lee, Marshall Rogers, Neal Adams, and/or Alex Ross, ...then we've nothing to worry about. Just as long as, in the end, the Bat-suit is something we would all like to wear. (Perhaps on Friday and Saturday nights?) (heh,heh) They can make the Bat-ears angle or slant or even curve, ...but as SOON as the ears point OUTWARD, where the points are further left and right than Bruce's own head, it begins looking ridiculous. If we get Bob Kane's style of Bat-ears, I'm gonna shoot myself. That, or wait to rent this on dvd.

  • March 9, 2007, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Fanboy's love nipples , gray t-shirts and lame idea's

    by jaycieboy

    So listen to them. I thought begins was great. The suit looked just right.

  • March 9, 2007, 11:07 a.m. CST


    by Pound Sand

  • March 9, 2007, 11:09 a.m. CST

    I like Maggie Gyllenhall

    by Jor-El23

    she's attractive, great actress etc...but why do they still need Rachel Dawes? Maybe it's just because Katie Holmes is such a bad actress, but I found the role to be extremely irritating and pointless. They should have used that opportunity to introduce Harvey Dent from the very beginning instead of making it a pointless, pseudo-romantic interest for Bruce Wayne. Or they should have killed Rachel off in the first movie just to piss Batman off even more.

  • March 9, 2007, 11:17 a.m. CST

    The first suit was fine

    by Immortal_Fish

    Does Bale have to speak like a Baldwin brother when he's wearing the cowl?

  • March 9, 2007, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Good point, boyblue.

    by ExcaliburFfolkes

    I had forgotten that now days it is all about the merchandise tie ins.

  • March 9, 2007, 11:31 a.m. CST

    Batman BodyArmour

    by Maegnarval

    Ok, so they change the suit. It's only logical as Technology advances & simply cuz Bruce Wayne wants a new look. I could care less if the suit had nipples or balls, so long as it looks cool. Going back to Batman wearing a Unitard made of cloth or a mask made of cloth or rubber-looking just does make sense, simply because that would leave one more vunerable to guns & knives & other weapons. Though i would not mind seeing an update of the old blue-gray-yellow suit from the 1960's TV Show! Sort of like a BatSuit he'd only wear during daylight & out in public...... Also, would like to still see the Tumbler Batmobile again. Maybe reintroduce the Batmobile from the Micheal Keaton 1st Batman movie. Like show him needing a heavy armor car & designing it & using it near the end of the next movie. Then bring back the other 3 batmobiles from the Returns, B&R & B4Ever.... Eventually, have a Shot in the Batcave were we see a garage of the different batmobiles... Heck, Bring Back the Car used in the 1943 Batman Serial even....

  • March 9, 2007, 11:32 a.m. CST

    When BB came out, they were saying this

    by Doctor_Sin

    Nolan said the suit would get a revamp as Bruce Wayne got more into being Batman and would get sleeker.

  • March 9, 2007, 11:39 a.m. CST

    loved begins

    by BLWiseass

    but i would also like to see a more agile batman, so adding flexibility to the bat suit is great by me.

  • March 9, 2007, 11:49 a.m. CST

    "so is katie holmes in or out?"

    by Osmosis Jones

    I'd like to give Katie a bit of the old in-and-out...

  • March 9, 2007, 11:52 a.m. CST


    by Marwood 1974

    ..acid, maybe? Given that Dent and Joker are in it 'n' all, it seems to make sense - plus it would eat through the Batsuit pretty quickly...

  • March 9, 2007, 11:59 a.m. CST

    Cool. I bet the suit is going to get more theatrical

    by superninja

    aka comic bookee!

  • March 9, 2007, 12:01 p.m. CST

    Will there be gonads? Like the Silver Surfer?

    by kinghenryVIII

    Just jokes - I trust what they'll do sincBegins was so fucking awsome! As long as it doesn't transform into a VW bus .... can't wait.

  • March 9, 2007, 12:02 p.m. CST

    I'm guessing Bats' arsenal is gonna be more advanced

    by dr_buggerlugs

    so having an evolved Bat-suit makes perfect sense and for once it may have a story reason, not because Joel Schumacher has a thing for silver rubber in his last acts (the matching suits of B&R are a sartorial masterpiece however)

  • March 9, 2007, 12:07 p.m. CST

    They need Dawes because they're going to cack

    by superninja

    her to push Bruce to the edge. The Joker and Batman kind of feed off one another. That's why I think the suit may get some kind of techie explanation but it's going to come out more theatrical.

  • March 9, 2007, 12:13 p.m. CST

    It'll still have armor, but..

    by kafka07

    I heard it will be "fabricy" as well.

  • March 9, 2007, 12:16 p.m. CST

    will it be a half-batman half-joker costume?

    by Bob C. Cock

    that music video rocks.

  • March 9, 2007, 12:34 p.m. CST

    mOrE aGiLiTy = The Batusi !!!

    by Douche Baggins

    Says she wants to dance coz she likes to groove, so come on Batso and just bust a move.

  • March 9, 2007, 12:35 p.m. CST

    Holmes dropped out huh?

    by FilmNerdJamie

    As far back as late June 2005, IMDB reported Holmes had been fired from THE DARK KNIGHT...even though she had already signed up for multiple sequels. Of course, this was b/c all the 'TomKat' insanity, and WB wanted to wipe their hands clean of her...and obviously Cruise by association. Now we hear she voluntarily "dropped out" of TDK (a guranteed blockbuster when its released next summer) to be in a Diane Keaton/Queen Latifah comedy instead? Bullshit!

  • March 9, 2007, 12:48 p.m. CST

    And it'll sell more toys!

    by Kraken

    You can't have the same suit design from film to film because then you can't come out with a new action figure. It's the same reason Venom doesn't look exactly like the Venom in the comics, because then you couldn't sell the movie-version Venom in stores. Cross promotion and merchandise sales is a big deal to franchise movies like this. So that's why you'll more than likely always have changes to design in the movie version of things that also have toys coming out (ahem, Transformers). That's a totally cynical perspective I know, I realize that it also has to do with making comic book/cartoon designs more realistic for film... but it'd be naive to believe that the merchandise side of it doesn't also push those kinds of decisions as well.

  • March 9, 2007, 12:53 p.m. CST


    by Darth Hater

    stop wasting my time with links that have nothing to do with the tread. It only hurts your cause and promotion of said movie because i will associate it with the anger caused by you wasting my time!!!! NOW DIEEEEEEEE!, I mean, thanks.

  • March 9, 2007, 1:02 p.m. CST

    But.. it will have nipples right??

    by quadrupletree

    You can't have a bat suit without nipples!

  • March 9, 2007, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Nananananananana Nananananananana Spider-Man!

    by Johnno

    Spiderman!<br><br> Here comes Peter on a clothesline but his name's not Peter it is Spider-Man! Spider-Man!<br><br> C'mon Lois let's get busy maybe in the garden right here Spider-Man! Spider-Man!<br><br>Touch my can wave your hand Spider-man!

  • March 9, 2007, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Just ditch the fucking rubber

    by MrJJonz

    I thought this was meant to be based on a comic called Batman. Oh but he needs rubber because he would be vunerable to bullets and knives . . .strange 'cos he didn't need it in the comics.<P>I don't see Supes flying round in a radiation suit to block the effects of Kryptonite that someone may have.<P>This is Batman . . .can we please have a Batman suit like the comics?

  • March 9, 2007, 1:15 p.m. CST

    nipples nipples, nipples nipples nipples

    by triplefive

    nipples nipple nipples? nipples nipples! nipples = nipples nipples

  • March 9, 2007, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Teh Suk

    by MrJJonz

    The best comic book to movie adaptation ever???<P>No - Sin City is

  • March 9, 2007, 1:19 p.m. CST

    How about the Hulk Hogan Mobile from "Begins"?

    by JackPumpkinhead

    Will that abomination be changed into something resembling a Batmobile this time?

  • March 9, 2007, 1:19 p.m. CST

    Suits you, Sir!

    by Cult Exiter

    If you want to start making acquintance with cognacs, i recommend LARSEN VS... when you're done with VS, naturally VSOP follows... And when you reach XO, remember, they're not necessarily better. So much depends on the brand (the maker), and of course, your taste, good or bad. I'm a poor man financially, but if i should die tomorrow, I have enjoyed the some of the best things in life... You can't quote without permission, sorry. P.S. Go, Batman!!

  • March 9, 2007, 1:21 p.m. CST

    Naturally, nipples...

    by Fecal Debris

    ...would be the first thing brought up here when you discuss the batsuit and its various incarnations. I wonder what the plot point is that necessitates a change? Does Bruce get caught chasing bad guys, and suddenly he has to grow a brown tail, and he realizes how cumbersome the suit is? How about armor-proofing? Is the original "spelunking" suit from "Begins" bullet-proof? If not, I'm guessing that's it. Joker shoots him or something, and he decides well damn, I gotta fix that. Plus add nipples and a NAVEL

  • March 9, 2007, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Ah touche Teh Suk

    by MrJJonz

    But you didn't say live action so I go for Mask Of Phantasm

  • March 9, 2007, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Yes, they are changing the suit to sell more toys

    by Snookeroo

    That's why they make these movies. Although, someone mentioned a good reason why Batman ditches the former costume -- perhaps he gets spritzed with Joker's acid, and it ruins the old armor.

  • March 9, 2007, 1:48 p.m. CST

    The Dead End suit sucked major ass!!

    by football

    That bargain-basement cheap costume was almost as bad as the low-budget 1949 Movie Serial one. Cloth just looks camp, flimsy and only fit for kiddie trick 'o' treat night outs. I liked Begins suit but also see the need for a mk2 followed by a mk3 and mk4... just don't make it look like a guy in a tight sock, that's all!!

  • March 9, 2007, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Costume Spoiler

    by Doggus47

    Is a costume spoiler even possible?

  • March 9, 2007, 1:56 p.m. CST

    Maybe the Joker "spelunks" all over the suit...

    by S-Mart shopper

    Brokeback style!

  • March 9, 2007, 2 p.m. CST

    Bigger codpiece = Better crimefighter

    by Doctor_Sin

    "Alfred, my cock needs room to swell up when I bust criminals."<p>"Quite so, sir."<p>"Watching some crooks get arrested just makes me pop a chubby."<p>"Most definitely, sir."<p>"Alfred...?"<p>"Yes, Master Bruce?"<p>"Call Rachel - have her meet me at the docks - I hear there's a big shipment of drugs coming in and I'm gonna bust the whole gang...I will need release afterwards."<p>"I understand, sir."

  • March 9, 2007, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Jeff Bridges=Obadiah Stane

    by MCVamp

    Just confirmed on ON THE BALL.

  • March 9, 2007, 2:08 p.m. CST

    BSINO!!! BSINO!!! BSINO!!!

    by S-Mart shopper

  • March 9, 2007, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Batman had a beer and cheeted on his wife

    by dolphin561alpha

    Hence the chick swap. What? You all didn't know?

  • March 9, 2007, 2:19 p.m. CST

    Maybe someone at Wayne Enterprises..

    by Norman Bates

    figures out the Batsuite looks just like Nomex Survival Suite...idk.

  • March 9, 2007, 2:25 p.m. CST

    Let me go ahead and fix my own spelling

    by Norman Bates

    Batsuit* or is it bat-suit? fixing error about fictional objects, what fun!

  • March 9, 2007, 2:28 p.m. CST

    oh fuck

    by Norman Bates

    Nomex Survival Suit* Don't break your arm people, it will fuck up your internet use severely. =(

  • March 9, 2007, 3:07 p.m. CST

    "Hey that looks like the Nomex Survival Suit!"

    by Doctor_Sin

    "And - that looks like the Tumbler! Wow - must be an inside guy at Wayne Ent. to get the plans for those! Maybe he has help on the inside. Ha. Better be independently wealthy to run around fighting crime all day....hey...wait a minute!"

  • March 9, 2007, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Or is this like "Zorro the Gay Blade"

    by Doctor_Sin

    Where a long-lost look-alike gay cousin shows up and "takes over" for Batman wearing campy variations on the Batsuit. Like gold lame', hot pink, lavender, etc.

  • March 9, 2007, 3:16 p.m. CST

    Reasons Bats needs a new suit:

    by Calico Pete

    1) He had fathead syndrome in BB.<br> 2) As apparent in the scenes in Arkham, Bats lumbers along when he walks/runs. BatMAN does not lumber.<br> 3) As apparent in the warehouse fight, the suit hinders the actor's mobility and ability to handle sophisticated fight choreography. The suit is as cumbersome as the Thing costume in FF. The only way they could show Batman taking on a bunch of thugs at once w/o it looking as ridiculous as C3PO taking on the Jedi Council, is by shooting the scene in the shadows and editing the crap out of it. If there's any hope of SEEING Batman fight like he did in TAS, the suit mmut change.

  • March 9, 2007, 3:24 p.m. CST

    re Batman Dead End

    by DocPazuzu

    Yes, there were a lot of things wrong with it, but it was just basically a fan movie. That having been said, I think the cowl used in BDE may be the best one yet.

  • March 9, 2007, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Harvey Dent, unconscious & tied to his overturned chair

    by JDanielP

    ...burns in a rising puddle of Joker acid (thus the division on his face). That's what I had going in my screenplay (only practice), "Drowning in Laughter", with Batman unable to help Dent. And I had goosebumps in visualizing (witnessing in my mind's eye) Dent's emotional transformation. Just before Harvey Dent gets his chair-leg kicked out from under him (by the Joker) and knocks his head on the concrete floor (of an abandoned factory building), the Joker reveals Dent's wife and son behind a HUGE shower curtain, where their bodies still sway, having been hung to death. (Shot of Dent looking upward with the feet of his wife and son dangling in foreground, while the Joker cackles.) I was attempting to instill in Harvey a rage towards Batman for not being there when he and his family needed him most, which, in a way, was a given within their partnership. Hey, it was a fun idea while it lasted. And I loved the movie poster idea, ...with the Joker in a dark room, bent over and looking in a lighted fishbowl, which distorts and lights his face in a cool way. Kind of adding a visual mystery to how the Joker would look in the movie. And the Bat-signal revealed in the window. Fun, even without the chance in hell.

  • March 9, 2007, 3:38 p.m. CST

    doesn't matter

    by sokitome

    heath ledger as the joker ruined this movie months ago. The fact that there are people who think that overrated hack can be the joker is delusional. This movie will blow.

  • March 9, 2007, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Thank god! I hope they drop the whole "body armor" look

    by Flim Springfield

    James Bond doesn't need body armour. Indiana Jones doesn't need body armour. BATMAN doesn't need body armour!

  • March 9, 2007, 3:47 p.m. CST

    Batman changes suits halfway through, and it's

    by Style_92

    a major plot point?<br> <br> I don't want to sound cynacal, (okay, really, I do,) but that sounds like pre-emptive Spidey 3 rip off. No, I'm not saying Batman gets a symbiote suit or crap like that, it just sounds... familiar.

  • March 9, 2007, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Reed Richards in Spader-Man 3?

    by Chris Beyond

    Just take this as a rumor, seriously, but keep it in mind.

  • March 9, 2007, 3:57 p.m. CST

    Err.. SPIDER-Man...not James Spader-Man ;D

    by Chris Beyond


  • March 9, 2007, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Spiderman 3

    by Norman Bates

    I wonder why they chose to run with the whole blacksuit/symbiote storyline in the first place? Because Batman Begins set a new standard for superhero movies. It was realistic, dark, and the character struggled with something more complex than 'should I tell Mary Jane?' Right now I'd rather watch Sky High than Spiderman 3. Go head, bash away, you won't change my mind.

  • March 9, 2007, 4:25 p.m. CST

    has anyone noticed the date on this article?

    by oisin5199

    It's from last August! So the whole Katie Holmes thing is totally untrue.

  • March 9, 2007, 4:37 p.m. CST


    by jasper Stillwell

    Great news, the girl can act, has a brain and doesn't just look like a deer in headlights - maybe they'll give her something interesting to do in the film. It's a shame they can't recast FF and get her in as Sue Storm. Seeing as Nolan and Ledger have admitted they're going the 'Killing Joke' route then I reckon things will get pretty nasty for her character. I really can't wait for this, after seeing Ghost Rider I need someone to restore my faith in superhero movies again.

  • March 9, 2007, 4:45 p.m. CST

    Gwai L0

    by JohnNadaUK

    Is there any way you could send me the Halloween script? Or could you inform me of where I could get it? It would be much appreciated. Cheers!

  • March 9, 2007, 5:01 p.m. CST

    The Dead End suit is not that great, true.

    by superninja

    But that scene where he emerges from the crouch with his cape looks like he's coming out of the shadow and it is RAD!!!

  • March 9, 2007, 5:01 p.m. CST

    Ninjas don't need body armour to be badass.

    by Laserbrain

    End of argument. Get rid of that clunky friggin suit.

  • March 9, 2007, 5:07 p.m. CST

    If Reed is in Spidey 3 as in they share the

    by superninja

    universe, that's great. They should've been suggesting that all along. I want a Torch/Spidey movie.

  • March 9, 2007, 5:20 p.m. CST

    Nipples, navel, or abs?

    by Doctor_Sin

    Which one gets the poly-vinyl body-sculpt into the suit? I just want a Batman onscreen that doesn't suffer from "tall head" syndrome where the thick, stiff neck shoots straight up into the ears like a goddamn tree trunk so that no matter what Bats does, his head is only posable in 90 degree angles. He looks stupid running. I am drunk already. Eeep!

  • March 9, 2007, 5:22 p.m. CST

    Dead End suit

    by MrJJonz

    is about the best I've seen live action. It gives total mobility and looks like the comics.<P>Granted, I think it would look daft in the daylight but in the shadows at night it can look pretty cool as several shots in Dead End show and Batman it all about working at night from the shadows.

  • March 9, 2007, 5:26 p.m. CST

    I disagree. It looks cheap to me.

    by superninja

    Like he's wearing a t-shirt. Just use the same material as the Spidey costume and he can have some body armor over his chest beneath.

  • March 9, 2007, 5:36 p.m. CST

    Yeah, I would change the Dead End suit

    by MrJJonz

    and I have often used Spideys suit as an example of not having to use a rubber suit . . .but for a fan film they seem to have got closer to it than Hollywood ever has

  • March 9, 2007, 6:20 p.m. CST

    I agree

    by Jared Crowe

    with superninja. That scene where he is kneeling and rises and his cape pulls in is phenomenal.

  • March 9, 2007, 6:22 p.m. CST

    JohnNadaUK, over on the "No Halloween theme music?" TB

    by Gwai L0

    Post and ask for Sigmar25, he's where I got my copy. <p> But please, once he gets you a copy, tell me what page number the GOTTA TAKE A SHIT MASK appears on, I'm really curious. I don't want to risk sending you the script myself because I might read the whole thing, and I don't want to read the whole thing. <p> So please, tell me what page number the GOTTA TAKE A SHIT mask is on. Or is it in there at all? Thanks so much, you're a mate.

  • March 9, 2007, 6:24 p.m. CST

    Oh yeah, and be sure when you post

    by Gwai L0

    that you mention you want a copy so you can tell me what page the GOTTA TAKE A SHIT MASK appears on, mention that I am very appreciative of my copy, but I don't want to read the whole thing. <p> In fact the guy is on a few different talkbacks, I would post a bunch of places to make sure you get his attention. He's a friend of mine, so be sure you mention that it's to find out the page number of the GOTTA TAKE A SHIT mask, so he knows you're on the level.

  • March 9, 2007, 7:34 p.m. CST

    I hate recasting.

    by Novaman5000

    Damn, Katie holmes maybe didn't bring much to the roll, but recasting is fucking terrible IMO.

  • March 9, 2007, 7:35 p.m. CST

    Batman DOES need body armor.

    by Novaman5000

    He's not fucking bulletproof.

  • March 9, 2007, 7:44 p.m. CST

    Make Steve O the Joker henchman

    by iwontwin

    He went to clown college for godsakes! Doesnt that mean anything anymore?

  • March 9, 2007, 7:50 p.m. CST


    by MrJJonz

    He has survived for many years without body armour in comics. The nearest I remember was the yellow signal/shield on his chest in DKR. I don't believe he needs it now anymore than any other hero in films that is being shot at constantly

  • March 9, 2007, 8:25 p.m. CST

    You shouldn't see Batman RUNNING

    by performingmonkey

    People saying how it looks retarded when he runs, well they should hardly ever show him running, if ever, otherwise it just looks like the cheesy '60s TV show. Batman should pass from shadow to shadow, swooping around but you don't see him running like a sad-ass motherfucker. We can see Superman running because he's got super motherfucking speed so it makes sense.

  • March 9, 2007, 8:30 p.m. CST

    Still more worried about Ledger as the Joker

    by Drath

    Totally wrong guy for that part!! Nothing he has ever done has led me to believe he'd create a Joker I want to see, so I am not very happy about this possibly major misstep. Unless they're painting the Batsuit pink, I'm less concerned about that. The guy who looked bland next to Orland- Johnny Depp's straight man-Bloom in that Ned Kelly movie should NOT be the Joker. Ever. I'd even buy the guy who played Young Hercules before Ledger.

  • March 9, 2007, 8:56 p.m. CST

    wait and see Drath...have faith that Nolan saw

    by just pillow talk

    something in him.

  • March 9, 2007, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Only nancy-boys approve of the yellow bat oval.

    by Uncle Stan

    Burton's no-neck, rubber-dildo suit was always fucking stupid. But not as stupid as hiring No-Chin Keaton to play The Batman.

  • March 9, 2007, 9:25 p.m. CST

    why you gotta dis Mr. mom?

    by just pillow talk

    That ain't right.

  • March 9, 2007, 9:26 p.m. CST

    They really don't need to show Batman doing

    by superninja

    a whole lot of things related to hand to hand combat. In my opinion, the more they play up the "urban legend" aspect, the better the character works for the camera. The scene in BR showing him sucking the guy into the shipping container was perfect. The scene with the roundhouse and him taking no the pack - not so much so. He wouldn't fight like that anyway, it's too compromised. For instance, this was handled much better when he goes to the basement in Arkham and picks them off. But the filmmakers would no doubt say he was just green in the first movie, so I expect him to be more of a street fighter. Batman wouldn't waste energy doing showy moves. That's not the character. While I don't want him to rely too much on toys, gas pellets, darts and things that you can throw which are inconspicuous are fine to me.

  • March 9, 2007, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Maggie Gyllenhall?

    by Omegaman

    Is Nolan a leftist? because thats the only reason I can think of for why he would hire her (her lefty politics are well known). I mean, this isnt Babel for chrissake. Fans want a hot chick in that role. He must know that, this is sort of like a slap in the face, like he doesnt care what audiences want. And you can find good actresses thats also hot, theyre a dime a dozen in Hollywood. This reminds me of Parker Posey in Superman. Why the hell would you hire her to be Luthors bombshell girlfriend? It just seems kind of... elitist. These are superhero action movies, not art films. I dont think this is a good sign for this movie.

  • March 9, 2007, 9:30 p.m. CST

    Except a shirtless swordfight with the real

    by superninja

    Ra's Al Ghul, that is totally allowed, because it is about skill and honor and stuff.

  • March 9, 2007, 9:32 p.m. CST

    No way Omegaman, Nolan is a commie bastard!

    by just pillow talk

    C'mon dude. While I understand the 'hot chick' factor, the first movie kicked ass. I have no double Maggie will change that one way or another. Katie didn't. Weakest part of the movie, but did not decrease my enjoyment of the film. And how is this making it into an art film? I don't see that.

  • March 9, 2007, 9:33 p.m. CST

    Nah, Gyllenhall can create a connection with

    by superninja

    the audience in a very short period of time. She can get the character across in enough time so that you come to like her before they kill her off. That's their problem with Katie Holmes, because she married Cruise and his hype-machine she now has a negative image associate with her.

  • March 9, 2007, 9:34 p.m. CST

    no doubt

    by just pillow talk

    WTF...double? As in I need a double shot of expresso or a double shot of tequilla?

  • March 9, 2007, 9:34 p.m. CST

    I liked Holmes's Dawes. I liked that she was

    by superninja

    young and she came across as serious and sincere. There are, like, two other people with that opinion, I think.

  • March 9, 2007, 9:38 p.m. CST

    that doubled my guess then!

    by just pillow talk

    I think my problem was that she didn't seem to carry any weight, no presence on screen. Something just didn't work for me with her. But again, her performance did not detract from BB for me anyways, so this change doesn't bother me one way or another.

  • March 9, 2007, 9:50 p.m. CST

    I just thought of something.

    by Omegaman

    I thought the Dawes character should have been more a do-gooder liberal type in the movie and have that contrasted with Batman's vigilante justice. I think that would have created an interesting conflict between the two characters and helped to better define Batman. I just think it would have been interesting to contrast those two different values systems. I think he did that a little but not close to enough for me. That would have made that role better for Katie Holmes too. I still think she did a decent job; people are much too critical of her imo. But anyhow, maybe thats what they are going to do with the character now, moreso than they did in the first movie, and thats one of the reasons Gyllenhall was chosen. They do take politics into consideration when they hire actors. That seems odd but its true, I see it all the time. I still wish she was more of a babe though. I dont want to knock Gyllenhall too much though, she's kinda cute, but just not the kind of look I was thinking of for that character.

  • March 9, 2007, 9:58 p.m. CST

    yes, that's a dynamic that should be played up

    by just pillow talk

    A conflict in beliefs would definitely add something to the movie.

  • March 9, 2007, 10:48 p.m. CST


    by Bronx Cheer


  • March 9, 2007, 10:58 p.m. CST

    did anyone notice when you

    by LeviDTinker

    did anyone notice when you click on that link the article it sends you to is dated august of last year.

  • March 9, 2007, 11:48 p.m. CST

    I HATED the TRIANGLE THINGY on Batman's Neck

    by Se7en

    I know it's supposed to hold his cape, but it really felt out of place. The triangle buttons really threw me off.

  • March 10, 2007, 12:08 a.m. CST

    Gas mask?

    by leavittj1982

    Alright, if they REALLY wanted to do the Batsuit right, they'd first of all GET RID OF THE GIANT HOLE IN HIS OTHERWISE BULLET-PROOF HELMET!!! Second, they would get rid of HIS MASKERA and give him night-vision lenses instead. (Think Spawn.) I completely and utterly disagree with each and every person who says that he should adopt the yellow oval. He's a ninja, not a sidekick. OR they could go Iron Man and make him into a mechanized tank. What I'm afraid they will do, though, is ditch the cape, opting instead to go for bat wings that appear when he needs to glide. That would really suck. In the end, one of the biggest complaints I've always had about the movie suits is that they are impossible to wear beneath a business suit. I'm all for Wayne Tech's developing a thinner, more flexible, bullet-proof material.

  • March 10, 2007, 12:09 a.m. CST

    Gas mask?

    by leavittj1982

    Alright, if they REALLY wanted to do the Batsuit right, they'd first of all GET RID OF THE GIANT HOLE IN HIS OTHERWISE BULLET-PROOF HELMET!!! Second, they would get rid of HIS MASKERA and give him night-vision lenses instead. (Think Spawn.) I completely and utterly disagree with each and every person who says that he should adopt the yellow oval. He's a ninja, not a sidekick. OR they could go Iron Man and make him into a mechanized tank. What I'm afraid they will do, though, is ditch the cape, opting instead to go for bat wings that appear when he needs to glide. That would really suck. In the end, one of the biggest complaints I've always had about the movie suits is that they are impossible to wear beneath a business suit. I'm all for Wayne Tech's developing a thinner, more flexible, bullet-proof material.

  • March 10, 2007, 12:18 a.m. CST

    I think the bat suit would look good with...

    by chrisd

    a cloth appearance: sculpted/tailored out of kevlar type material. And the eyes should be mirrored lenses, not the black makeup eyes of the last several films. The utility belt more the multi pouch type. As far as Katie Holmes, I think she did a decent job in BB; she slapped the hell out of Bruce pretty good! I agree about the contrast between their different ideas on justice; it helped Bruce realize the gun is not the answer. I think Katie would have been good in TDK, but things change. Hopefully Maggie will do good.

  • March 10, 2007, 12:40 a.m. CST


    by moto

    I think you're reading way to into an actor's politics. Sure, an actor may choose to be in a film based on their political beliefs, wanting to use themselves and a film to voice their viewpoint. But director's do not choose an actor because they have a certain political viewpoint in real life. The only time that matters is if a studio does not want to hire an actor based on their current extreme political viewpoints in the media, thus avoiding people staying away from the fiml due to that person. And why is she an extreme Liberal??? Because she voiced her distaste over the Iraq war? Why is that extreme liberalism? Why do people fell so necessary to put a label on someone like that? Big reason why this country is so divided.

  • March 10, 2007, 12:48 a.m. CST

    I like the suit to be black to blend in with shadow.

    by superninja

    There's no reason for it to have color, it looks more intimidating in black.

  • March 10, 2007, 1:26 a.m. CST

    Bale is no Jackman or anything, but in the

    by superninja

    scene where he wakes up and starts doing push ups I could not believe how big he was. Guess we're so used to the suit "faking it" I was quite pleasantly surprised. :)

  • March 10, 2007, 2:19 a.m. CST

    they should just throw the costume away alltogether

    by punto

    the only reason why batman doesn't work in film and never has is the suit. the "anticipation" with all the character stuff is great, but once the guy gets into the suit and starts kicking ass, it sucks. None of it works. The cape is too fluid, the torso and legs are too rigid, and the mask doesn't have that cool effect with the white eyes. <p> They should just throw away the costume.. do some CGI thing or something.

  • March 10, 2007, 2:47 a.m. CST

    Omegaman, fans dont "want" a hot chick for the role...

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    we dont want the role to be reprised at all! the character of racheal dawes is not needed at all, especially in the second film since they wrapped her up nicely at the end. batman needs to be completely focused on his training and mission in life, not fucking skirt chasing.

  • March 10, 2007, 2:50 a.m. CST

    I hated the BB suit

    by Droogie Alex

    The ears were too short and stubby, and the cape didn't match anything else. It was just a huge piece of black velvet. In the other films it was rubberized fabric that kind of resembled Batwings. The CGI rooftop shots with the 20 foot capes were great though, like Bernie Wrightson pannels. The suite should look like kevlar fabric, with armored pieces (chest, elbows, knees, etc.)

  • March 10, 2007, 2:53 a.m. CST

    yeah, just give him some sweats

    by thebearovingian

    A hoodie and sweatpants. Black, of course. But then he won't have a costume that makes him look LIKE A BAT. And why the hell would he be called BAT-MAN then? Sweats-Man, the savior of Gotham.

  • March 10, 2007, 3:19 a.m. CST

    Batman in the original comics was always on the prowl!

    by Lone Fox

    First time he met Catwoman (The Cat, back then) he let her escape because she had nice legs. When he wasn't chasing pussy he was doing that film star chick, Julie or whatever her name was. And then, of course he moved in Dick. That Batman, what a guy. Of course, he never lowered himself to dating scientologists. Pfft. Remember when Will Smith was linked to the Robin role years back. Good grief. I thought the suit in BB was pretty good. In photos it looked a bit too armoured up, but on film it looked sweet. Makes sense for the suit to evolve, it always has in the comics.

  • March 10, 2007, 9:30 a.m. CST

    Lenses? Ever see LOGO sunglasses with WHITE lenses?

    by JDanielP

    You want to know the absolute BEST way to interpret the WHITE eye-slits of Batman? Here's how. And I pat myself on the back for this one. I don't know if these (sunglasses) are still available today, ...but does anyone remember seeing sunglasses (for sale) which had white lenses with various college logos available, directly on both lenses? I remember how I was immediately curious about them and looked through them. You could not see in, as you could only see OUT. And sure, this type of WHITE LENS material would be cool and all (without the logo, silly!) ... but what if the WHITE lens material was translucent? Then, we have the white (lens) look while still seeing the eyes behind! And if need be, Bale could wear COLOR contacts underneath, for extra impact! This idea is freakin' brilliant and it's not the first time I've mentioned it (at AICN). So I don't know what Warner Bros. is waiting for. There is NO REASON why the Bat-suit can't be BOTH the COOLEST LOOKING costume on the planet (in movie history) AND be entirely functional! Damn it, why not consult with me?! I can help accomplish what you're looking for!

  • March 10, 2007, 12:23 p.m. CST

    No Lenses

    by Playhouse

    Lenses would just not work on film. It would make the character look ridiculous and lifeless. Even sunglasses on regular people in movies takes much away from them. That's why the look worked so well for Arnold in the Terminator. If they made a live-action Batman movie where there was a patch of total dark shadow and then you saw two slits of white, it would come off way more campy than people want to admit to themselves. The white works in the comics but it doesn't translate to film.

  • March 10, 2007, 1:23 p.m. CST

    the white things

    by punto

    is what gives batman his facial expressiones, because they change their shape like real eyes. lenses would never work, and a mask that actually changed the shape of the eyes might be too cheesy I think.

  • March 10, 2007, 6:54 p.m. CST

    Yeah, JDanielP, you're brilliant.

    by kintar0

    White lenses like sunglasses from the Nineties! I'm brilliant! I could have been one of the greatest fantasy film directors of all time! Robin should have a bulky bulletproof training suit! Anthony Hopkins saves the Joker from falling in Batman with a motorized hang-glider! Howie Long should play Superman. God, you're retarded. But, seriously, don't stop. You're killing me. It's sublime.

  • March 10, 2007, 8:44 p.m. CST

    Well if you don't like lenses...

    by chrisd

    how about mirrored contact lenses. The normal eyes and half face mask are too revealing.

  • March 10, 2007, 9:36 p.m. CST

    I'm not anti-lenses.

    by kintar0

    In fact, I've always been pro-lenses. I've thought all the Batsuits have sucked, and the whole black eye make-up thing is a big part of it. I think the designers need to take a step outside of their literal minds and do something original and cool looking.

  • March 10, 2007, 11:06 p.m. CST

    They should give him lenses so that whenever

    by superninja

    light is shined on them, they glow like an animal's. It would prevent them from seeing the color of his eyes and they can cheat it and show his eyes when they need to.

  • March 10, 2007, 11:31 p.m. CST

    Imagine the animal-glow eyes, underneath white lenses.

    by JDanielP

    That's a great idea, superninja. The fact is... there are many interesting directions to go with the design of the costume... while staying true to the character.

  • March 10, 2007, 11:34 p.m. CST

    Well, the idea is to make criminals think he is

    by superninja

    not human. They need the eyes to make him expressive, so the audience can connect to him, so the white lenses are only to protect him against flash bombs and other things, reflecting light back at whoever is looking at him.

  • March 10, 2007, 11:36 p.m. CST

    I think this type of technology already exists

    by superninja

    but not sure.

  • March 11, 2007, 12:05 a.m. CST

    I think lenses that sometimes reflect would work if..

    by chrisd

    they would not end up being too gimmicky. I understand the need for expressiveness but they always seem to violate the suspension of disbelief with things like eye makeup and recognizability. But, of course, it is just a movie.

  • March 11, 2007, 12:07 a.m. CST

    Ever notice how kintar0 (used to be Mr. Miricle).....

    by JDanielP

    ...never shares any ideas of his own? The poor basement dweller can only criticize others... while never getting into specifics of what makes film interesting, or sharing personal ideas on how to make them more so. He's the Bush-like politician who can only attack. And also, (again like the predictable politician running for office), he interprets what his opponent says (me, for instance) in the worst way possible. (It was a jet-pack, you idiot, as you well know. And it was described to be a Tim Burton style jet-pack, with a lawnmower style of pull-cord to get it started. And it would make sounds, would clank and ping and make puffs of smoke. And in '89, for an actor to play a character whom shared his youth with Jack Napier, who would you pick? So I mentioned who I imagined in the part, back then. Big deal. And yeah, Howie Long once had (he's let it go, now) the classic build for an older Superman. Again, big deal. It was true then. Not now. No more Howie Long, pleeeease. Move on, you child.) By the way, is everyone heavily anticipating kintar0's answer? Here, allow me to predict the future. He (or even she) will (A) not respond or (B) attack. And notice how there will be no specifics on what he/she wants in a flick, Batman or otherwise. Yeah. Generalize. You're great at that, since that's all you do when attempting to add any specific idea of your own. (Silence, perhaps? Silence would be golden.)

  • March 11, 2007, 12:32 a.m. CST

    Can you answer this question without attacking, kintar0

    by JDanielP

    Keep in mind, folks, that I've seldom ever seen a normal back and forth with this guy (in the talkbacks). Let's see if he can be (hahahahahaha) completely civil in responding. Ready, kintar0? Imagine (gasp) a normal conversation. (gasp, again!) And imagine it's your responsibility to be the creative force behind the design for the next Bat-suit in Nolan's sequel (no matter how you feel about Batman Begins). How would you design it while maintaining your own personal taste, keeping movie success in mind? Which direction would you take the design? And guess what. I don't mind (at all) listening/reading to another opinion on the subject. Even yours. (But I'm not sure you can act above the spoiled rich kid routine. That routine of yours is even older than your Howie Long mention, every time I appear in a talkback, ...and sometimes even when I'm NOT in the talkbacks.) I love that you miss me so much, by the way.

  • March 11, 2007, 12:42 a.m. CST

    Never thought I would say this, but I wonder if

    by superninja

    Ashton Kutcher would make a pretty good Captain America if they decide to go younger? He's a decent actor and has the height and comes across as very earnest in his more serious roles. I'm watching The Guardian and it's not like it's a fantastic movie, but it's decently acted.

  • March 11, 2007, 12:48 a.m. CST

    More specific than "something original & cool looking"

    by JDanielP

    I'm nearly laughing, here. The guy can't have a normal conversation. He's got to be a spoiled rich kid. However, I'm a grown-up who can forgive and forget and call a clean slate. Even with kintar0. But I just don't think he has the character. Scratch that. I KNOW he doesn't have the character. But I honestly feel sorry for kintar0, as the world must have been seriously cruel to him (in one way or another). You just don't act that way unless you've experienced great tragedy. And for that, kintar0, I am sorry. Sincerely.

  • March 11, 2007, 11:04 a.m. CST

    Dark blue cowl and cape covering dark grey suit

    by BendersShinyAss

    With white eyes. do it. find a way.

  • March 11, 2007, 11:14 a.m. CST


    by the maven

    Well, two of 'em according to Schumacher, but who's counting?

  • March 11, 2007, 7:27 p.m. CST

    Ah, JDanielP...

    by kintar0

    all right, I'll rise to your little challenge. But not now, first I've got dinner with the in-laws. But don't worry, I won't forget you. If you'd have ever actually read any of the pre-release Batman Begins talkbacks where I posted this wouldn't be necessary, but c'est la vie. Watch this space.

  • March 11, 2007, 11:07 p.m. CST

    kintar0, if you play nice, count me REALLY surprised.

    by JDanielP

    And floored. In fact, you'll continue to have my full attention (here at AICN) ... if you can remain civil.

  • March 12, 2007, 1:36 a.m. CST

    The Batsuit, from head to toe.

    by kintar0

    The cowl: stop with the molded consternation eyebrows. Either make it fixed and non-wrinkled or take a risk and make the brow animatronic so Batman can emote under the mask. No more eye makeup. A lot of talk is made of how the Batsuit ought to be “practical” and “realistic,” yet the fact that Batman has to apply and remove makeup, MAKEUP, FOR CHRIST’S SAKE, gets a pass. The cowl should be a thin helmet that completely covers and replaces the eyes and nose of Batman’s face, yet fits close enough to the shape of Batman’s head to be deceptive about its true defensive capabilities. It’s covered in a material that makes up the entire cowl, leaving the neck covered but not armored. For example: . You may as well keep this image open in a new window because I will refer to this image again. The material covering the neck is stiched and creased to allow for turning the neck, like Chuck Norris’ high-kick jeans. No more stiff neck or sausage neck. This helmet has lenses. Should they glow like the picture? Not always, but the ability to make his eyes glow is not outside the realm of possibility. Different functions could produce different colors or effects, ala Splinter Cell and the comics. Unlike in the image, the ears should be much shorter and back-swept. Like this: or .

  • March 12, 2007, 1:38 a.m. CST

    The cape:

    by kintar0

    Not leather. Leather is deceptively ideal. It’s not a part of the cowl and neck, but is cut and hung like it is. In the first Matrix film, there’s a shot where Neo joins Trinity atop the elevator car and the last few seconds of the shot are of the ends of Neo’s trench coat sliding up and out of the elevator car. The cape needs to be made from a material that is a fabric and not a skin. Most likely a heavier material than the rest of the costume. Black, like the cowl. Floor length, scalloped ends, like the comics. Takes damage, for fuck’s sake. I saw 300 and one of the things that struck me was how much of a schmuck it makes out of Christopher Nolan. Snyder’s Spartans kick ass in slow motion, in dark, but still LIT, situations, and IN CAPES and it looked incredible and completely believable.

  • March 12, 2007, 1:39 a.m. CST

    The utility belt:

    by kintar0

    brown or tan square-ish pouches, large but ordinary belt buckle. Again, like the first picture, from the cover to JLA: Classified #10. The undies: black wrestlin’ shorts. Nothing fancy. It doesn’t look gay or corny, it looks classic. Not like Superman Return’s man panties. The gloves: black. The knuckles, the backs of the hands, the wrists armored to protect from/amplify impact. Again, see first picture. The gloves match the boots. The logo: either the yellow and black oval or the black classic. The Batman Begins logo was easily the worst. If you don’t “get” the yellow and black oval, reread Dark Knight Returns.

  • March 12, 2007, 1:40 a.m. CST

    The rest:

    by kintar0

    gray body suit. I’m not against the body armor of Batman Begins, but he wears it under his costume. The body suit could be made of that new school spandex that olympic time-trial cyclists or downhill skiers wear. It really has only two requirements: non-reflective and stretches over the body armor. So there you go. It’s practical and cool looking. The Batsuit’s not all black or gray. Sure, even the blue and gray suit isn’t practical, but so what? It’s fucking cool looking. Basically, I’ve described the cover to JLA: Classified #10 but that’s it. This is all shit I’ve been saying for years, well in advance of Batman Begins. One can hope that Nolan’s going to do something drastic and put the Batsuit up there in the winner’s circle with Superman’s and Spider-man’s.

  • March 12, 2007, 1:41 a.m. CST

    I broke it up because...

    by kintar0

    contrary to what you may believe, nobody wants to read post that's longer than a paragraph.

  • March 12, 2007, 4:05 a.m. CST

    some great Ideas there Kintar0

    by Uridium

    Good posts there, enjoyed reading all and agreed with some..... The thing about the swept back ears you refered to in the pic with superman, well they look cool in that pic for one reason.... Batman is moving forwards. They are drawn swept back to make him look like he is moving. If he was just standing up normaly I think they would look a lot worse! (kinda like thos do-hickies that the flash has on the side of his head) Keep up the ideas guys!

  • March 12, 2007, 10:43 a.m. CST

    I can appreciate nearly all of those ideas, but...

    by JDanielP

    ...there's a much better way than animatronic eyebrows, as animatronics would require a certain thickness for the cowl, to make room for the small mechanics/electronics within (at least in some part). Keep in mind that I'm not knocking you, kintar0. And I'm not trying to... well, you get the idea. If you want the eyebrows to move, then the techniques used in "300" would be the way to go, I feel, in my opinion. (I think we both only care about results, in the end.) Maybe on set, there would be some blue-screen/green-screen paint (or tape?) on the forehead of the cowl, for computer animators to add those eyebrow movements you are looking for. --I want you to understand, kintar0, ...that I'm not against style (or yours, as you described). We seem to disagree in how we feel about the work of painter Alex Ross, and that's fine. But understand that I (perhaps also) love MANY styles of sequential art... and Batman can be visually interpreted (in the movies) in just as many styles... and every time, still make a great flick (I feel). I mention Alex Ross the most because I believe it is easier for people to understand the possibilities when the art is that much closer to looking REAL, you know? --And as for the ears, I personally dislike the really short ones, ...the ears that are hardly above the very top of the head. Give me just a little more, at least. (The shorter ears tend to look better on a larger Batman, from my viewpoint.) I don't have a problem with anything else you mentioned (as to the design of the Bat-suit). And I suppose if the eyebrows were going to be animated, there's also the possibility of animating the white eye-slits (or lenses). --And how about the style of Simon Bisley's Batman? To visually interpret it, they could have a professional body builder wear all but anything that covers the chest, arms and legs, ...and perhaps have the Bat-image painted on his chest. And his body would be colored as you would want the suit. And yes, ...this time, the Bat-nipples would be taken OUT. --Now, this is obviously NOT the direction for Nolan's sequel to go. However, it is just an example of how far digital filmmakers can visually interpret ANY character, Batman or otherwise. Thanks for being civil. (I shall return.)

  • March 12, 2007, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Change is probably the yellow symbol on the chest.

    by digitalruse

    IIRC, Batman did this on purpose. Since the bulk of his suit was reinforced at the chest, that is where he preferred to be shot (if he had to be shot). So, he placed the symbol to draw the eye and fire of those who wanted to shoot him. -DR

  • March 12, 2007, 12:21 p.m. CST

    A Batman cape with defensive and offensive capabilities

    by JDanielP (This guy had some interesting ideas.)

  • March 12, 2007, 12:35 p.m. CST

    A cape with the look of leather... without the sound...

    by JDanielP something that looks interesting on screen. But yeah, that's an easy trick (omitting the leather sound). Personally, I like the "look" of a leathery, reptilian cape. As to the way the cape is cut, I like the standard Neal Adams cut, ...and the sometimes exaggerated capes, as when Batman dropped within the stairwell in BATMAN BEGINS. Those kind of shots look great. And I like for the cape to have the capacity to cover his entire body, when draped in front. You can achieve some really nice camera shots of him blending into the shadows. And as a character, Batman should make use of the shadows and his incredible silhouette.

  • March 12, 2007, 12:44 p.m. CST

    Color of Batman's cape = color of Clark Kent's hair

    by JDanielP

    Some people argue that Batman's cape is BLACK and that the blue, in comics (of the past) is simply highlights, as with the hair of Clark Kent/Superman. That is easy to understand. But today, the color palette is far more open. I think that's just one reason as to why we don't see Batman's cape as BLUE as it used to be, intended highlights or not.

  • March 13, 2007, 7:43 a.m. CST

    Check out the color of this Batman suit (link):

    by JDanielP