Buddy-L returns with a follow-up WONDERCON report!!! STAR TREK movie talk! Lotsa comic news, including a GROO movie?!?
Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with the prequel to Buddy-L's previous WonderCon report. He's got a lotta geeky stuff to go over, so let's get to it! Trek, Groo, tons of Comic book news... enjoy!!!
Hey, AICN. So this is my report from the FIRST day of San Francisco's annual WonderCon (hope you enjoyed the Day 2 report). I'm sorry I won't be able to attend Day 3, what with the family in town and all (damn people with my similar genetic makeup, don't then know I've got more important things). I didn't go to the NYCC so I don't know how much I say is repeat of what you already know. Last year was the first year in which this convention was owned and run by the fellas to do the San Diego ComicCon. They had JJ Abrams, Kevin Smith, Frank Miller, Bryan Singer, Brandon Routh, and lots of other big names. This year is comprably "low key", but no less interesting for a comic fan. They're still having problems with putting people before they open, but once we got in just after 12-noon, it was cool. It's in the Moscone South building (larger than last year's Moscone West). Free swag galore! Got some free passes to Sunday's screenings of DISTURBIA and HOT FUZZ (there's also a giveaway to see the film with Wright & Pegg, all ya gotta do is see three film they're screening! How easy is that!). Got posters, buttons, etc. from 300, THE HILLS HAVE EYES 2, TMNT, TRANSFORMERS, THE LAST MIMZY (which gave away the most popular swag item: a light up yo-yo), DC, Marvel, Dark Horse, Image, the whole she-bang. The Oni Press booth had Brian Posehn there doing autographs, as well as a seperate poster for an upcoming book based on STEPHEN COLBERT'S TAK JANSEN--the poster was cool in the way it tried look like a serious sci-fi poster, but kept in the comedy of Colbert's trademark grin. This may be just me, but I REALLY dug this little bookmark I got from the Image table advertising Mike Allred's MADMAN now being part of the Image line-up. Got a butt-load of my comix signed by Paul Ryan & Angel Medina. Mark Texeira never showed up for his autograph table, so I couldn't get his. Ran into local boy-turned-national Keith Knight, who was back in SF for the first time since moving to LA. Went by the autograph tables and saw Peter Mayhew, Noel Neill, Jon Provost (Timmy from LASSIE), Chase Masterson, Barbara Luna (who doesn't look bad at all), Sara Karloff, Richard Hatch, former WWF wrestler Virgil, and Richard Hatch. (Day 2 saw the appearance of Ernie Hudson, Ray "Darth Maul" Park, Cassandra "Elvira" Peterson, and AOTC actors Daniel "Young Boba" Logan & Bonnie "Young Beru" Piesse) Went to the Sergio Aragones/Mark Evanier panel where they alternated between some great stories and fielding questions. Mark is making two books about his late friend, Jack Kirby (it was meant to be just one, but the more he learns, the more he writes). He shared a chapter where Kirby--newly employed at Marvel--is chastised by his new bosses for his work being "too DC-like." He said how the books have gotten so big that he's quickly running out of gig space on his harddrive--the first one, planned for an X-mas release is an art book of Kirby material with accompanying text, "is already at 30,000 words." (He told a story about being sold one of the first word processors on the market, but--being a big tech guy--was so knowledgeable about the machine that he wound explaining more about it to the salesman than vice versa.) Aragones and Evanier are producing a CGI movie about their character GROO for a major studio. Over the years, they'd received several offers to do so (they say Favreau tried at one point, and a serious pitch was made years ago by Michael McKean with the intention of Chris Farley in the title role). At one point, Evanier was practically "stalked" by a producer (who wouldn't name but said was "very well known") who would take NO for an answer. They two stressed that they wouldn't give up the film rights until they got a deal that would give them creative control. The offers coming out of Hollywood were "poor and overly-aggressive." Sergio: "They wanted Will Ferrell. I HATE Will Ferrell !" (Yes, those were his actual words) As of now, the two creators are producers on the film and have finished the script for "a major studio". They said it would be fully CG-animated and that Rob Minkoff (THE LION KING, STUAR LITTLE 1 & 2, HAUNTED MANSION) is officially directing. The went on tell how they have an almost telepathic collaboration, to the point where they finish one anothers sentences. The two showed photos (including some showing Sergio as quite an accomplished cook), including some of awards they've received, Serigio's dog who inspired that of Groo (Sergio's lived to be 24 years old!), a Groo statue that sold for $175 and had a certificate of auth. with it--the two joked "[the distributours] were so worried people would copy the statue, but they could just Xerox a copy of the certificate?" They told a story about how, when GROO was done for Marvel, he presented a finished page that had a panel of Groo mooning someone. The higher-ups rejected it on the basis that it was "sexual" and would never get past the CCA. Evanier argued "It's Groo's rear-end, you've got female X-men running around wearing dental floss!" He called Sergio over to his house where the artist drew up a poster of Groo sans pants covered by a "Censored" bar, with the intention of starting a "Save Groo's Ass" campaign. But Marvel went ahead with the unaltered page anyway, which kind of irked Sergio, as he wanted to really show off the poster. They also mentioned how they wanted to do a GROO MEETS CONAN one-shot for Dark Horse, but the project fell apart. However, they still want to do it. (More about that below from the Dark Horse panel) Sergio mentioned how he was supposed to design an award statue for an award to be presented to the great Jack Davis. His design was of an artist sitting on an inkwell. But--to his surprise--the awards folks changed it to a statue of Sergio's face and was actually named "The Sergio". Evanier: "He's gotten so many awards over the years that they had to finally make one for him!" They told a story about how they were once in a retaurant and Sergio said he'd never do conventions again because the stuff he signs "just winds up on eBay". Somehow through this rage, he came up with idea of a Black undertaker who played the banjo--hence his cult character BOOGIEMAN. When the title was just in the concept stages, Evanier got an e-mail from a fan who seemed to already know the name. Evanier asked the fan not to let the name out; the fan responded that it was already on the Dark Horse website. To his surprise, Evanier found out that Dark Horse knew about the character. The company had already set a deadline for the following week, so the two had to make it in four days. Although a fan asked if there would be more from the series, they sad it wasn't likely and that they're surprised that it wasn't as popular as their other work. When asked how Sergio got involved with MAD magazine and the WEEKLY WORLD NEWS, he said that he got with MAD in 1962, not knowing how long it would last, but since that year he has had his work in every single issue except one, "which wasn't my fault. The postman lost it." As for the WEEKLY (for which he draws a single page "find the 10 hidden items" illustration), he says he got a quick offer for just one week that has turned two years and that he's hoping to collect them all into a book soon. Evanier was asked if he'd like to write a bio about his friend, Aragones. He said yes, but Sergio was hesitant: "A lot of people have to die before I can tell the truth about some things." My next stop was the DC Comics panel, hosted by Dan Didio with writer/artist Judd Winick, Co-ordinating Editor (the lovely) Jann Jones, Senior Editor Matt Idelson, and Sales VP Bob Wayne. I walked in a little late and the room was packed. [SOME DC SPOILERS AHEAD, FOLKS] As I came in, Winick was being questioned about the future of GREEN ARROW. He said that the title was coming to an end. The ending would be "Oliver Queen on bended asking Black Canary 'Will you marry me?'" This will lead directly into Canary having her own mini series and several other characters commenting on the relationship in their own titles. There will also be an examination of Ollie's early years with the upcoming GREEN ARROW: YEAR ONE. The company is prepping the WORLD WAR 3 event "which basically be Black Adam versus Everybody." Didio also stressed that the much, much, MUCH-delayed ALL STAR issues are one their way: "[BATMAN] issues 5 and 6 are done writing, Jim [Lee] is almost done drawing 6. [SUPERMAN] issues are also on their way. We're doing our best to get all of our ALL STAR titles back on track." Didio was asked if, given he has so many different titles with several different storylines, "will there ever be a 'definitive' Superman continuity?" He answered that the character has been around for more than 70 years, so while the strive for the stories to make sense, they don't want to "box themselves in" creatively. On a similar Supes note, there's been talk for some time that the character of Chloe from SMALLVILLE would be introduced into the official DCU continuity. Winick said that it was supposed to happen a while ago, but would definitely happen next year. There is also an upcoming (delayed) issue of ACTION COMICS that will be entirely in 3-D. The panel was then asked--don't ask me why--which is worse: Fast-moving zombies or Vampires with Machine Guns. The audience seemed to favour the zombies (as they can attack in daylight), but Didio argued that the vamps are worse. This debate actually got quite heated for a moment. Oy vey. Alan Burnett (BATMAN: TAS) was in the audience and Didio said he'd be writing an upcoming BATMAN/SUPERMAN story featuring "the appearance of a rare member of the New Gods who's almost never used." With the appearances of Red Arrow & Starman, they were asked if the events of KINGDOM COME were becoming "real"? Didio denied this. He also confirmed that artist Alex Ross will be taking a long hiatus after his work on JUSTICE. You can also expect some upcoming anthology book of Denny O'Neill's (sp?) run on THE QUESTION, some Jerry Ordway work on SUPERMAN and some WildStorm books, and Bill Morrisson new book this August: CAPT. CARROT who battles the evil Ra's al Pickle. I myself suggested an ALL STAR KRYPTO THE SUPER-DOG AND BEPPO THE SUPER-MONKEY, but only Jann Jones seemed to warm to the idea. Oh well. As I was on my way to the Dark Horse comics panel, I ran into EC comics artist Al Feldstein, who had just finished his panel. I had to shake his hand and tell him what I fan I was. He said that he was glad to still be around and be recognised at the age of 80 and how much he loved things like this. Al Feldstein: Living legend and Very cool guy. This made me a few minutes late to the Dark Horse panel, recognising the company's 20th anniversary. It was done with editor Shawna Gore, publicist Jeremy Atkins, Brian K. Vaughn. As I came in they were detailing some upcoming titles, including BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER, written by creator Joss Whedon, which will "pick up right where the show left off; this will be the 8th season of the show." Whedon is also cooking up some new Dark Horse adventure for the crew from FIREFLY/SERENITY. Matt Wagner will be celebrating the 25th anniversary of his title GRENDEL with reprints of the old-school originals, an "Art of GRENDEL" books, and brand new GRENDEL stories by Wagner himself. Also returning is Eric Powell with new material for (one of my favourite titles) THE GOON, including a Goon story entitled "Satan's Sodomy Baby". Atkins: "Eric decided that after all his sucess, it was time to offend anyone whoever like THE GOON. The story if very disturbing and not for the faint of heart. It's also really awesome." He went on to say that there will be an origin tale about how Goon got all his facial scars and I bi-monthly title. Another familiar face will be that of Mike Mignola as he kicks two new books centred around Abe Sapien and Lobster Johnson. Other licenced franchises will include more STAR WARS and CONAN material. In regards to the latter, there will actually be quite a few new books based on Robert E. Howard's works, including KULL and PIGEONS FROM HELL (which, according to Atkins: "Stephen King once called it 'The Best Horror Story Every Written'." I asked about the GROO MEETS CONAN project and they said that it's still on the table and they want to do it. They're also putting a lot of strength into their horror comics with Gerard of My Chemical Romance (who Atkins says wanted to do comics before going into music) putting out a book called UMBRELLA ACADEMY. Plus Rex Mundy will be doing a title called ZERO KILLER, taking place in an alternate reality where NY was nuked in the 70s and is now underwater. Ron Marz will also do a new as-yet-unnamed book and this September they'll be re-formatting their book based on EMILY THE STRANGE. Rick Remeder's FEAR AGENT, no longer at Image, will show up via Dark Horse later this year. They then fielded a lot of questions about breaking into the industry and their open submission policy--they get so many that they can't possible answer all of them timely. They have a programme called "New Recruits" which gives an unknown the chance to have their story made into a comic. But they stressed that they outwardly reject any submission for a licence, like SW or SERENITY. But they advised that if one really loves comics and is serious about making it, they will This panel went long so I walked right into the middle of the Trek Lives panel by GEEK MONTHLY. It had Jeff Bond who wrote that book about Trek music, Anthony Pascale of Trekmovie.com, Robert Meyer Burnett of FREE ENTERPRISE, Daren Dochterman who does the VFX on the re-mastered episode of TOS. As is typical of a Trekkie congregation, there was a LOT of arguing, people cutting other people off before they could talk, and debates about which incarnation is "better" that often come close to blows. As I came in Daren was taking questions about the controversial decision to remaster the TOS episodes. He held his own, talking about a new Klingon ship he'd designed for "Trouble w/ Tribbles" but what was really cool was that he brought footage of the new version of one of my favourite episodes, "Doomsday Machine". Say what you will about the "purity" of remastering the episodes, but this look fantastic. The new Enterprise, Dekker's damaged ship, the Doomday itself, its energy beam--if you love this episode as much as I do, you'll really love this new version (incidentally, when I got home after Day 2, they aired the new version of another one of my faves, "Space Seed"). Pascale talked about upcoming Trek comics by Dan Taylor that will begin around April with a TNG 6-issue mini, a TOS series in July which will stand as the unofficial "fourth year of the show", and an "Alien Spotlight" series that will focus on a different species each issue (the already-completed Klingon issue will be published in both English and Klingon). The talks then went to the subject on everyone's mind: JJ Abrams (copies of his new yellow/blue Trek poster were available on at the TV Guide booth, alongside TRANSFORMERS poster with Autobot or Decepticon emblem). Pascale mentioned that he can't find any truth to the rumour that the film will be simply titled "Star Trek", but the reation to the title (particularly considering how Chris Nolan titles the Batman films) has been positive. He mentioned things most of us know: Abrams is making the story of the young Kirk & Spock, he loves TOS & TNG but wants to tell an original story, how he's had the idea for years, and how the studio was eager to get rid of Berman & his crew. Jeff Bond noted how, in light of the last few flicks and the reactions to VOYAGER & ENTERPRISE, the "Trek" name cannot automatically be considered the big selling point anymore. "Only Kirk and Spock are familiar to non-Trekkies, maybe some members of TNG." Pascale agreed, saying "Paramount wasn't thinking about Trek. They wouldn't have done another Trek at all if not for someone hot like JJ Abrams to make it happen." Pascale said how the writer of Spielberg's BAND OF BROTHERS series had written "a great script" to follow NEMESIS, but was ousted with Berman & Co. He also said that the idea of just making new films straight-to-DVD wasn't likely or viable. When the panel was asked what the new film needed to be sucessful, they stressed that they need to try and "[not] alienate old fans, but don't be afraid to go for new ones... We classic Trek-fans, we're getting old. We're not gonna be around too long... Look to [films like] CASINO ROYALE as an example." Daren said the new film need "optimism and fun. The TNG films got too full of themselves. I want to see these characters enjoy themselves!" Bond applauded the fact that "Abrams has an adult sensibility. He makes serious stories from ridiculous premises." Pascale agreed, adding "He'll do what he did with MI-3; make it realer and scarier." When asked who was officially involved with the film, Pascale said "Go to the IMDb, look at the crew list for MI-3 and just put STAR TREK at the top. He went on to say that the film does NOT (primarily) focus on Kirk & Spock at Starfleet Academy, but will more likely be about their first mission. He also said that the character of Pike will likely appear (Sean Kenney, who played the infamous "burned Pike" in TOS, was also in the Autograph Alley). He also said that there's neither confirmation or denial about the infamous Matt Damon rumour, but Jeff Bond said "I've been hearing it for so long, I can't think of anyone else in the role." He also said he'd like to see someone like Gary Sinise as Dr. McCoy. Pascale was asked if this "re-boot" would respect the known canon or not. He and the other panelists agreed that the "official" canon is full of holes when one sees all the episodes. He said that Abrams has "never seen DS9, NEMESIS, or ENTERPRISE." Pascale was asked why when people talk about Trek, they often leave out DS9? He answered by noting that the DS9 writers have gone to do better work in than industry than the writers of VOYAGER or ENTERPRISE. He said that VOYAGER's premise was better than DS9, but the latter had better execution. One of the panelists (I was taking notes so I didn't get to see who) said that he'd loved TNG but avoided DS9 originally, only to discover in on DVD and found he enjoyed it (I, too, re-discovered the show through re-runs and was surprised at how good it was--still haven't seen a single VOYAGER). They ended by giving away free DVD copies of FREE ENTERPRISE to people who correctly answered the trivia questions. I know my Trek knowledge is limited so I didn't even try to answer, but if anyone cares, the questions were: 1--"Who was the director of photography for the first and second seasons of TOS ?" 2--"Who were the three original producers of the show?" 3--"What was the alphanumeric name for the second system destroyed in 'Doomsday Machine'?" 4--"What was the name of Dekker's shuttle?" 5--"What was the Doomsday's energy beam composed of?" 6--"What was it's hull composed of?" After leaving this panel, I took my free pass and went to the Metreon to see the free advanced screening of 300 (IMAX), hosted by Zack Snyder and producers Mark Canton, John Meneri, & Jeff Silver. Zack introduced the film saying "This flick has blood, violence, sex--the only thing it doesn't have is bad language, so I'll do: FUCKING FUCK!!!!" [Huge applause] He said it was Snyder himself didn't say this, but the guy who introduced him said that "this screening is the world premiere of the IMAX version of the film." I don't know if that's true because I'd heard the IMAX version also screened in NY and LA. Plus I thought the print was darker than need be, and after the film was done, I actually saw producers Silver and Mineri dressing down one of cinema employees about this very thing (I felt sorry for the guy, being punked-out like that in public). Nevertheless, the flick went off like gangbusters with this crowd. And so ended my first day at WonderCon, and this ends my last report for WonderCon '07. Sorry I couldn't be there for the last day, but I had a blast. Hope you guys all enjoyed the reports. Can't wait to do it again next year. Later. Buddy-L
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March 8, 2007, 3:16 a.m. CST
wow, thats a first...
March 8, 2007, 3:41 a.m. CST
Directed by someone under 100 and written by a sci fi fan, no more trying to appeal to people who ditched Trek in there minds 20 years ago, play to the fans and maybe then a hit?
March 8, 2007, 4:10 a.m. CST
by Boondock Devil
Thankfully they said hell no as far as Wil Ferrell being involved.
March 8, 2007, 4:13 a.m. CST
by The hoff
so berman and co got rid of a script by the writers of band of brothers. OK that explains so much about the diminishing returns of trek i really don't need to comment further, except to say how fucking awesome would a BofB style trek series be. A full on trek war series (and don't say DS9 because that was as much about the horrors and truth of war as those early propaganda films by the British).
March 8, 2007, 4:28 a.m. CST
I'm into the idea of what they are trying to do with XI and I like JJ Abrams' work just as much as the next guy, but that he has never seen DS9 yet watched almost all the other Treks is cause for concern. It isn't about the need to see everything, it is about the judgment in which Treks he chose to watch. He couldn't have picked more wrong. I have to wonder about someone who would avoid the one damn Trek since 1987 that actually broke new ground. By today's standards, with BSG (produced by ex-DS9 writer Ron Moore), Lost (see, I like JJ), 24, and others raising the bar since the late 90's, perhaps DS9 doesn't compare in the intensity department, but when one looks at the massive restrictions Ira Behr and company had to deal with, it is a miracle DS9 is as fantastic as it is. For someone as creative as JJ to have actively avoided it, at least compared to the other shows, is the first reason I have for some concern about the next Star Trek movie. I can't suggest strongly enough to JJ that he watch DS9, at least starting from season 2.
March 8, 2007, 4:36 a.m. CST
The Cool Uncle of the Star Trek universe.
March 8, 2007, 4:39 a.m. CST
by Boondock Devil
The Slightly Odd 'gloid of the Star Trek universe.
March 8, 2007, 5:02 a.m. CST
Seriously, Paramount has milked the 60s show to a max. Just let the books run wild. Kinda like what happened with Star Wars.
March 8, 2007, 5:06 a.m. CST
by Boondock Devil
Personally I'm looking forward to seeing how JJ's movie will turn out. This is coming from a just a very casual Trek fan.
March 8, 2007, 5:11 a.m. CST
Still wasn't as good as Babylon 5 though.<p>One awesome thing there regarding the film: the suggestion of Gary Sinise as young McCoy. That's absolute brilliance! I'm ambivalent on Matt Damon as Kirk, I'd have to see it before I'd judge, but Sinise *is* McCoy.
March 8, 2007, 6:11 a.m. CST
Note to producers of new star trek film, give us a dencent storyline e.g Wrath of Khan, Search for spock , give us the people we care about , spock, kirk & bones. Dont destroy the thing we love like Lucus did . The reason starwars failed when it was rehashed nobody bevelived in the caracters , when liam neeson died in tpm I didnt care , why because it was badly written . Dont do the same with Startrek. The 2nd 3rd & 4th straktrek movies where fantastic because the had good scrips and a continuing storyline WITH PEOPLE THE CARE ABOUT DONT FUCK THIS UP JJ.
March 8, 2007, 6:14 a.m. CST
by Amy Chasing
I thought MI:2 was just awful. <P> As for Voyager having a better premise than DS9.. well I guess that shows just how much premise matters. (if Voyager was MI:2, then DS9 was the recent Casino Royale)!
March 8, 2007, 6:19 a.m. CST
by Boondock Devil
If you enjoyed the first one you'd probably like this one. Of the three I'd rate it a little bit better than the first one if only because Phillip Seymour Hoffman is pretty decent in it.
March 8, 2007, 6:50 a.m. CST
There are something like 150 hours of DS9 out there for us to watch. What exactly could they possibly DO in 2 hours that would complement the multiple episode/season overarching storylines? nothing. exactly. go watch those 150 hours and feel glad that they ever existed. This incidentally is why the TNG movies were kinda sucky. there were already several "feature length" TNG episodes and the movies just felt like more of these, especially Nemesis, which would probably have been declared fine for an inter-season double ep but as a movie it's just more-of-the-same. plus you've got to remember that the budget (that doesnt go on salaries multipled by time) would not have been as massively different between the series and the movies as they were when ST:TMP came to light. similar rules apply to the Xfiles movie. oh fuck it, i'm a geek like the rest of you, i'd love an XF2 anyway. ric
March 8, 2007, 6:52 a.m. CST
March 8, 2007, 7:24 a.m. CST
by just pillow talk
I wasn't into the "re-imagining" of the original Star Trek, but the more I see the better I like it. So I am officially won over by that, but not with the new Trek movie. <p>I would have wanted them to make a movie 100 yrs after TNG with a brand new crew or something. I know they wouldn't want that since they are not established, and as was mentioned, the Trek brand name ain't what it used to be. I guess I'll just have to see how it comes together. When all is said and done, I'll probably be all jazzed up by a new Trek movie...It just can't be worse than what was done to Star Wars, right?
March 8, 2007, 8:58 a.m. CST
by Abin Sur
If Paramount was so keen to erase the memory of Berman, Braga and all those others involved with the "Star Dreck" part of Star Trek, why did it take until 2006 to start a fresh Trek? Berman must be some kind of svengali...
March 8, 2007, 9 a.m. CST
Daren Dochterman does not work on the new Remastered CGI'ed Original Series. I'm sure he wishes he does, but he doesn't. The Doomsday Machine clip they showed was probably just the one he's been working on for a very long time. It's online somewhere and, personally speaking, isn't nearly as good as how the real R-TOS DDM turned out.
March 8, 2007, 9:05 a.m. CST
...watch DS9 for god sakes. It's the proto-typical sci-fi serial we see on TV a lot now days.
March 8, 2007, 9:23 a.m. CST
Seriously. This article couldn't get laid in a women's prison with a carton of cigarettes. Good info, though.
March 8, 2007, 9:41 a.m. CST
im seeing the grro movie just because of the above statement. enjoyed teh comics as a kid, this could be on the level of shrek. star trek. i loved teh franchise, but berman and braga just killed it, they weild too much power and ended up raping the series. tng, ds9 and voy were good.. in that order. ent on the otherhand you could tell had merely rehashed plots from each of the series and mashed it together into something that was terrible. never watched ent, and i really didnt feel like i missed anything. JJ well you had best not fark up. i relly cant see how you're going to reenginner the sereis unless you completely reboot like casino royale (btw word on teh street is that he wouldnt mind being on a trek show) and the ship and gadgets will have to look modern, theres no way around it, we have better looking stuff now, and it'd break the 4th wall if you see dials and switches on the bridge. fark the continiutiy geeks, it just needs to be done, so do it. trek is dead without it.
March 8, 2007, 9:45 a.m. CST
kirk and spock at the academy.. really who cares. . the continituty is messed up anyway..let them make a movie without geeking out over the little detials. you think joe blogs trekker cares about that? we want a great film, a great story and star trek back on our screens, not to cry about teh fact that kirk and spock weren't buddies at the academy.
March 8, 2007, 10:32 a.m. CST
by CTU Mole
That blows that guy's credibility right there.
March 8, 2007, 11:13 a.m. CST
I heard about this earlier, but I didn't know it was actually going to happen. Still, I wish it was going to be done in clay, just to keep the crudeness of the original art. I hope to God they don't over render everything like they did with Over the Hedge.
March 8, 2007, 11:49 a.m. CST
That jerk is too full of his roll at DC and is the brainiac with the terrible idea of killing Dick Grayson. He is hellbent on killing the character. Every editorial he writes in the back of every DC comic points to a man who just doesn't get what it is that people love about comics. He comes off as one of those idiots out to please himself and figures everyone buys the comics not by who is the writer or the artist … but who edits them. Jerk.
March 8, 2007, 12:56 p.m. CST
by sober voice of reason
get along with damon as kirk, but if ben affleck is spock i'm going to set everything on fire. i love star trek, but the last two movies (and voyager) have been terrible at best.
March 8, 2007, 2:18 p.m. CST
March 8, 2007, 2:31 p.m. CST
by CTU Mole
He's older than Shatner was when he started. So it can't very well be about a young Kirk now can it? The whole idea is fucked. It's interesting to see how James Bond became a cold blooded killer. It's interesting to see how Bruce Wayne came to dress as a bat and beat up bad guys. I don't care how James Kirk became a fairly competent starship captain. The Star Trek universe is too big to just go back to the beginning.
March 8, 2007, 4:39 p.m. CST
YES YES YES. This is perfect thinking. This is what I have thought for some time now since hearing about the new Trek film...
March 8, 2007, 5:03 p.m. CST
"The Cage takes place approximately one year before Where No Man Has Gone Before and at this point during The Cage, Spock had served with Pike for (ok I don't remember the exact number) 5-10 years or so." This is all wrong. In "The Menagerie", the two-part episode made out of "The Cage", Spock says that the events they're watching from "The Cage" footage happened 11 years ago. If you assume "The Menagerie" took place in the first or second year of the 5 years (either the same year or the year after "Where No Man Has Gone Before"), then there is no way in hell that "The Cage" took place approximately one year before "Where No Man Has Gone Before". And Spock very plainly says in "The Menagerie" that he served with Pike for 13 years and change. GO WATCH THE SHOW. "...and make sure that he knows that Spock was already serving in Starfleet for several years while Kirk was still at the academy and DID. NOT. MEET. until he took command of the Enterprise." WRONG. AGAIN. Its entirely plausible that Kirk was a couple of years behind Spock at the academy, and it goes a little something like this - Assume the first season of the show takes place in 2266, the second season in 2267. In the first season "The Menagerie", Spock says the events of "The Cage" took place 11 years ago, i.e. 2255. Assuming "Where No Man Has Gone Before" was set the year before "The Menagerie" and in the first year of the five year mission, it happens in 2265, and if Spock served under Pike for 13 years, then he must have begun serving with Pike in 2253. Assuming Pike was Spock's first commander out of the Academy, then Spock would have been a freshman 4 years earlier in 2249. In "The Deadly Years" from the second season in 2267, Kirk says he is 34 years old, and therefore 33 in 2266, when Spock said that "The Cage" happened 11 years before, whuch means Kirk was 22 years old in 2255, and 20 years old in 2253 when Spock started serving under Pike right out of the Academy. Assuming Kirk started the Academy when he was 18, then his Freshman year would have been 2251, which would mean he and Spock were at the Academy together for 2 whole years. So its not impossible. Nyah.
March 8, 2007, 6:25 p.m. CST
I don't think he said that Berman and co. tossed out the band of brothers guy's script. I think he said the BoB guy's script was tossed out at the same time as Berman and co. were. Like, they were all ousted together, lol.
March 8, 2007, 6:37 p.m. CST
Matt Damon would be pretty good as Kirk, but he'd be expensive (he'd want at least $US 25 mill). I believe Daniel Craig is a Trek fan and wants a role in the new film. It'd be great seeing Patrick Stewart play Picard again, but he's also too expensive. He'd want probably $US 15 mill.
March 8, 2007, 8:30 p.m. CST
by I Hope You Die
...which seems to be what they're planning, but it'll inevitably be about making it "more edgy" and having more action - i.e., more like absolutely everything else out there. What was genuinely edgy about Star Trek and remains edgy to this day is that it had the balls to be utopian. These days you need massive steely balls to do utopian science fiction; or even to do a television series where the characters still consider torture abhorrent. Voyager and Enterprise already went down the route of redoing the starship interiors in the same drab metallics as every other science fiction show and throwing out morality; it didn't work, it made the whole thing generic and boring.
March 8, 2007, 9:53 p.m. CST
But move on. New captain, new crew, new ship, new mission. Action, intrigue, conflict, more action, some SF concepts, aliens, more action. Maybe it would be a good idea to move to the 25th century. Don't carry baggage from all previous Treks, but don't deliberately jettison continuity just because JJ and the writers (of "The Island" oh shit) are too busy pitching studio executive freaks on teen boys that they can't watch the series. Why did I waste my typing? They are going to screw it up. They should just make a movie called "Space Quest" about the Space Fleet Academy and I would probably enjoy it more than I will their inevitable Trek mess.
March 8, 2007, 10:17 p.m. CST
Trek was DEAD. Very, very dead after the one-two knockout of Nemesis and Enterprise (and some Voyager peppered in there for good measure). Going back, starting from the beginning and plowing the road, starting with a fresh slate not only makes sense, it's been proven to work (i.e. Batman, Casino Royale), so of course the studios notice this. <br><br> Redoing a universe does not take away the original one; that's what DVD's for. And one cannot be mad about paving over a continuity that is considerably screwed up.
March 8, 2007, 11:21 p.m. CST
The original show wasn't much of an action show, it was about stories of conflict. The movies became something else, something made in a more action-oriented time. The old show had stories with tension, conflict, but very rarely lots of action. They didn't need it--it was a genuine science fiction show, though it could have been "harder" SF. That's why this new one should just be its own thing. The casting suggestions could be taken but they should be about a different bunch of characters. Damon as Kirk is kinda silly, but as a new captain, fine; Sinise is a great suggestion because he's just a damned interesting actor. I'd love this to me more about science fiction concepts instead of the PC politics of the Next Generation and other boring, talky followups I hardly watched, but I don't see much real SF out there, and little audience for it--fake SF, SF lite (i.e. action movies with ray guns), explosions in space, sure, but no real SF. The old series actually attempted this with enough action to keep the kiddies interested and did a good balancing act.
March 9, 2007, 12:05 a.m. CST
haha insurrection was great. f*ck the haters.
March 9, 2007, 12:13 a.m. CST
by Sledge Hammer
...For driving Green Arrow right into the fucking ground. As if it's not bad enough that GA fans have had to put up with your "Im bored, so I'll start making idiotic sweeping changes to the character, going down my predictable break him so I can remake him path once again" style bullshit, now you've actually managed to bury the title completely. Thanks so much asshole.
March 9, 2007, 1:49 a.m. CST
I find your logic flawless.
March 9, 2007, 7:50 a.m. CST
do that and Trek will be dead to me forever.
May 31, 2007, 10:06 a.m. CST
I am excited that the new movie is returning to Star Trek the way it was ment to be. Sure The Next Generation was good. But The Original Series is the best...best uniforms...best Starship designs...best characters!!! I am looking forward to seeing the TRUE Enterprise on the BIG screen. Screw the next generation...lets get back to what the made the show so popular...the classics. Just remember...if it wasn't for the Original series there would be no Next Generation. I think too many "fans" forget that. I've said it before...suck it up or shut up.
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