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Elston Gunn Interviews Director Kevin Booth Of AMERICAN DRUG WAR: THE LAST WHITE HOPE!!

Published at: March 6, 2007, 2:59 p.m. CST

I'm Elston Gunn...
Kevin Booth's film AMERICAN DRUG WAR: THE LAST WHITE HOPE, an eye-opening and compelling examination of the war on drugs, won the Best Documentary awards at both the DIY and Evil City film festivals, the latter of which featured filmmakers Morgan Spurlock and Mary Harron as judges. Additionally, High Times magazine gave the film four full buds, it's highest rating (no pun intended). Booth, who authored the book BILL HICKS: AGENT OF EVOLUTION about his best friend and notable cult comedian, was inspired by the loss of those close to him to legal substances to try and make sense of what is dubbed "the longest, most costly and destructive war in American history." And oh, the things he discovers. Three minutes into the doc we are told the main source of funding for Partnership of a Drug Free America comes from the tobacco and alcohol industries. Booth captures the perspectives from a former LAPD narcotics officer, gang members, prisoners, cops, a sheriff, a former New Mexico governor, civil rights attorneys, Tommy Chong and Ricky Ross from jail and a host of others. AMERICAN DRUG WAR: THE LAST WHITE HOPE along with the Bill Hicks karate comedy epic NINJA BACHELOR PARTY will be screening at the Druid Underground Film Festival at the Il Corral in Los Angeles this Sunday, March 11, at 7 pm.

Booth took some time to answer questions for AICN.

[Elston Gunn]: You were prompted by the alcohol, cigarette and prescription drug related deaths of family members and friends to personally find out exactly why these drugs are legal and others are not. At what point did you realize you should make a documentary about this? Where did you start? [Kevin Booth]: When my mom was dying from liver failure, she was in an ICU unit with several others facing the same fate, all from a life of hard drinking. I was hit with this horrible smell that sickened me so deeply that I instantly lost my appetite for alcohol. After attending my third funeral in a row, I realized that the corporate culprits, Smirnoff, Dewar's, RJ Reynolds, DuPont and others, would never be punished. Perhaps the last straw that angered me was the brilliant Nick & Norm ad campaign launched by the post-9/11 Bush administration in which the government was claiming that pot smokers support terrorism. So, in a way, this three and a half year journey has been fueled by hatred for a government that has long sold out to corporations.
[EG]: At any point did you think the topic was too broad? From prisons to medical marijuana,to gangs to the CIA and Afghan poppy farmers to Joe Rogan smoking weed on camera, you could've made a miniseries. [KB]: It's a good thing you didn't see the first cut. I suppose my aim with this film was to show the many fronts that this war is being waged against the American people. I guess the trick is getting all these subjects together in one film and not having it feel like the ramblings of a schizophrenic. Hopefully, the final edit currently under way will achieve this, but perhaps someday it could be a miniseries.
[EG]: Why do you think the drug war seems to be such a huge failure? Is it simply money? [KB]: For those waging the war it has been an incredible success, it's a perfect business model, the government profits from distributing drugs into the ghettos of America and then profits from locking people up for using those drugs. The drug war is only a failure for the rest of us who must suffer from the greed of these corporate shills .
[EG]: The privatization of prisons and the part that plays in the drug war was particularly fascinating. When did you first learn about that? [KB]: It's the coincidences that kill me, such as during the Reagan administration, oddly enough, we had mandatory minimum sentencing for drug possession. Reagan's Drug Act that made the penalties for crack a hundred times worse than powdered cocaine and, lo and behold, private corporations being allowed to build and run prisons. What's the point of building all those new Wal-Mart's if you can't fill them with customers?
[EG]: The comparison of the Prohibition era to the drug war was interesting and you raised the question "Is meth a modern day moonshine?" Plus, you had people who were unfamiliar with meth in Amsterdam. [KB]: The problem is that most young people today don't know anything about Prohibition. It's interesting to note that Prohibition didn't end because they decided booze was good for glaucoma or even some moral issue. The number one killer drug, alcohol, was legalized because they realized it was so profitable. People should also note that when alcohol was made legal the moonshine business became non profitable. When the police ask users if they prefer crystal meth to cocaine they never add "what if cocaine was cheap?" Because when I ask meth head tweakers that question they always say they would rather have cocaine. Why would people do crystal meth if they could have a real drug that comes from the Earth? I wish everyone who considers themselves to be a Christian would examine the organic basis of the drug laws in Amsterdam. Do you trust guys in white lab coats who only answer to a board of directors, or do you trust a plant that has been growing on this Earth long before mankind existed? Believing that both evolution and all of the religions that preach brotherhood are true, I'm am going to have to go with God and not the lab guys, even if he or she is only the lesser of two evils.
[EG]: In your own words what was it about Ricky Ross' story that you felt was important to the film as opposed to other individuals you could have talked to? [KB]: To me the story of Freeway Ricky Ross is as American as apple pie a la crack. Not only is it the "Scarface" rags-to-riches tale, it's also the story of Oliver North and the Iran Contra scandal that most Americans seemed to have forgotten. It's outrageous enough that Rick is the only one of those guys serving time, but the co-conspirators of North/Reagan are back to their old tricks working in the new Bush White House. For those of you rolling your eyes, Google "Crack & CIA."
[EG]: Interesting that you have a former smuggler, a former DEA agent and a former Republican governor of New Mexico essentially saying the same similar things. [KB]: I guess its nice to know that folks on both sides of the law are still willing to tell the truth even though it may not always be the most profitable choice. I believe that this tidal wave of indignation focused toward the Bush administration is long overdue. It's like a domino effect; once people wake to the scam of Waco, Okalahoma City or 9/11 all these phony drug laws become more and more politically obvious. I thank God that the average American seems to have gotten over the "the government cares about me" hurdle that everyone seemed to be stuck on after 9/11.
[EG]: I'm sure investigative journalist Gary Webb was someone you would've really wanted to interview, whose story prompts me to ask... any concern for your safety? Mike Ruppert said some pretty ballsy things, too. [KB]: I know it may sound trite, but Gary Webb was one of the next people I was going to interview when I got the news about his "death" - "suicide" - "assassination?" But for me I'm not really worried, because it's not like I'm pointing fingers at individual people like Ruppert or Webb. I mean, nobody ever got harmed exposing an evil government or corporation, did they? I mean, the government and the large corporations care about me, why would they want to harm me? If the DEA says smoking POT will kill you and Bush's Texas body-double Rick Perry has mandated every young woman to take a cancer vaccination or they will face penalties, you got to believe it's true! Of course, the fact that Merck Pharmaceutical gave Rick Perry a quarter million dollars is pure coincidence. The drug war is proof positive that they care about us like a rancher cares about his herd. It's PROFIT & CONTROL.
[EG]: How important do you think it is to focus on the decriminalization of drugs versus legalization? Sometimes people use the terms synonymously, but there is a difference. [KB]: I would be lying if I told you that we should legalize crystal meth, or many other strong drugs that will cause people to do crazy things. That said, does someone belong in prison for possessing these substances? And how do you draw a line between the type of person who would sell to a child or someone who is responsible and simply wishes to use behind closed doors, perhaps harming themselves, but not harming others. Seems like the basis of all laws in a free country should be based on Ye Old Ten Commandments deal. Though shalt not Steal, Kill, Rape, you know all the real crimes. But as Republican Governor Gary Johnson says "we give people in some cases longer sentences for possession of marijuana than we do for murder or rape." I would like to hear Mr. DEA or Mr. Undercover Narc explain that one when someday he or she must pass through the pearly gates. "You see, God, we decided this plant you left growing everywhere poses too much of a threat to our entire industrial, war, pharmaceutical, prison machine... AHHH OK, you caught me, I just wanted to keep my job and I didn't care whose lives I destroyed."
[EG]: What was the most surprising aspect of the drug war to you? [KB]: That none of these gung ho drug warriors have the guts to be on camera. In a way I really respect Sheriff Joe because he has the balls to allow everyone to see who he is, which is more then I can say for the bulk of them. If you're willing to ruin people's lives because of your personal beliefs, then have the balls to stand up and say why. But they don't because its all a bunch of gray-haired fearful little men who fight to protect Nixon's fraudulent war that in turn protects their profit margins. Most every black person living in the ghetto will tell you that they hate the police. I don't hate the police; I hate the fact that these drug warriors are using my tax money to pay police for basically protecting the interests of the Alcohol, Tobacco and Pharmaceutical corporations. Don't take my word for it, look up the yearly death stats of all illegal drugs vs. Alcohol, Tobacco and Pharmaceutical. Then look up the yearly death stats of marijuana and ask yourself, "Why would they lock people up for this?" Superior Court judge Jim Gray puts it best, "Eighty five percent of all illegal drug users only use marijuana, so if you took marijuana out of the equation, the entire drug war machine would crumble." It breaks my heart to think of all those prison guards losing their jobs, and they couldn't start selling drugs because if you end the drug war, dealing would cease to be profitable. Maybe all these drug warriors would be forced to get educations and real jobs. I'm a dreamer!
[EG]: What have been some of the biggest challenges in making the film and getting it seen? [KB]: Prisons are as hard to get in as they are to get out, especially these private prisons. I think I could have had an easier time finding Bin Laden than what I went through trying to interview Tommy Chong while in federal prison. I also wanted to portray gangs in a different light, because I'm so sick of the same tired headline about the murderous gangs of Los Angeles, I always knew that these are people who are just playing the cards they have been dealt. I highly recommend BASTARDS OF THE PARTY out on HBO to learn the true history of gangs in Los Angeles. I'm no journalist, who am I kidding, I'm so involved in everyone's lives now its ridiculous. I helped Bloods co-founder get a Paypal account and web site, trodgers.com, and I plan on starting a business with Ricky Ross when he gets released, not because he is some famous kingpin with his own BET special, AMERICAN GANGSTER, but because he is one smart motherfucker who I happen to like and respect as a person. (I could start the Adopt-a-Crack-Kingpin Foundation for guilty white people.)
[EG]: Any advice for aspiring documentarians? [KB]: God, you better LOOOOVE your subject, and make sure the people your surrounded with are prepared to watch you transform into an obsessed single minded broken record. My poor wife, Trae, has been listening to me ramble every single day for the last 1350 days about the drug war, but I could have never done it without her. I'm coming on four years now, and even though I have won best documentary at the Evil City fest in NYC and the DIY fest in Hollywood, I am still working on the gersh-dang thing. Four years ago, I thought I would film for a few months and edit for a few months then watch the big bucks come rolling in. Classically, I chose a subject that is just so huge and complicated, but, truth-be-told, I love working on it and I will miss it when its all over.
[EG]: What projects are you working on next? [KB]: After three years of doom and gloom I could use a change of pace. I'm currently in talks with director Curt Johnson about several different projects from a HALF BAKED pot comedy to another serious doc about the Patriot movement in Texas. The other night I actually attended a private Bloods rally to investigate the idea of setting a different type of story in a certain South Central neighborhood. At the rally I was exposed to this brown cylindrical shaped object with smoke trickling out of one end that caused me to become disoriented, the gang members call them "Blunt" or "da-Blunt?" I'll be able to tell you more about this curious artifact when the test results come back from the lab.
[EG]: I know you were close friends with Bill Hicks, any upcoming Hicks-related plans? [KB]: Many American Hicks fans don't know that I have a book out on Harper Collins U.K,. BILL HICKS: AGENT OF EVOLUTION, available at sacredcow.com. Yes, there is a new Hicks doc in the works and it looks like it will be the best one yet, but my pale-skinned pals across the pond want to keep a lid on it for now.

For more info and updates on AMERICAN DRUG WAR: THE LAST WHITE HOPE, Hicks, Alex Jones, and other works of Kevin Booth check out http://www.sacredcow.com.
Elston Gunn elstongunn@hotmail.com http://www.myspace.com/elstongunnaicn

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  • March 5, 2007, 2:23 p.m. CST

    FIRST!!!

    by Sorrycool

    i just wanted to do that.....

  • March 5, 2007, 2:24 p.m. CST

    SECOND!!!

    by Sorrycool

    and that.....

  • March 5, 2007, 2:24 p.m. CST

    THIRD!!

    by Sorrycool

    i should really read this topic....

  • March 5, 2007, 2:24 p.m. CST

    FOURTH

    by Sorrycool

    alright....im bored now

  • March 5, 2007, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Legalize prostitution and drugs, tax the fuck outta 'em

    by Doctor_Sin

    And hire more cops to lay a beat down on little thuggish wastrels who play out their "We Gangsta" act. Regulate everything. Everyone gets laid and wasted, gangbangers get arrested for stealing cheeseburgers because there ain't no drug-related crimes, and we need stiffer penalties for pieces of shit like pedophiles and rapists. Kill more people to make more room in the prisons for the trigger-pulling fucks.<p>I wake up the next morning and - surprise! - none of it effects my life (except taxes, but that's a whole different documentary).

  • March 5, 2007, 2:48 p.m. CST

    THE DORECTOR GOTTA EAT

    by Pound Sand

  • March 5, 2007, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Just got off the phone with the DEA

    by Doctor_Sin

    Ron Jeremy wants them to give his blow back to him.

  • March 5, 2007, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Profit?

    by gboybama

    Didn't know there was such profit in subjugating ghettos and running prisons. I'm obviously in the wrong line of work.

  • March 5, 2007, 3:05 p.m. CST

    It's the whole "Don't hate the playa, hate the game"

    by Doctor_Sin

    mentality. I hate that. Yeah, those poor, oppressed, gun-wielding, remorseless, "urban jungle" kids who just play the cards they're dealt. Way to deal with the problem. *sigh*

  • March 5, 2007, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Jesus is against whatever is currently illegal

    by Baron Karza

    Jesus was not against Morphine & Cocaine in the 1920's. He is now. He was not against 18yr old age of consent in the 1940's. He is now. See how it works?

  • March 5, 2007, 3:12 p.m. CST

    Volume, gboy. The secret to realizing profits...

    by Childe Roland

    ...from the relatively minor and mundane misfortunes or sufferings of others is to ensure that those things occur in extremely high volume. So, no, you probably are in exactly the right business for you and you're doing your part to help those in a position to benefit from the way things are to do just that. That said, this documentarian kind of blew his credibility for me with the "gangbangers are just playing the cards they were dealt" thing.

  • March 5, 2007, 3:14 p.m. CST

    Heroin is just like a plant

    by mr.underwater

    Man<br> It comes from the ground<br> Great some stoner made another conspiracy movie. This will be the one. Expect weed to be legal next year as this is going to be the one that changes everyone's mind

  • March 5, 2007, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Violent drug gangs are so misunderstood.

    by Ironmuskrat

    Why can't the people these gangs are terrorizing just look pass their murderous intent and realize they are just poor people just trying to make a living like everyone else. They just need a big hug and a job at Burger King. I am sure they will straighten out and fly right.

  • March 5, 2007, 3:41 p.m. CST

    Just release The Wire theatrically.

    by Cameron1

    I'll guarantee it's whole lot more credible and intelligent look at the drug war from all perspectives.

  • March 5, 2007, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Wow.

    by jimmy_009

    Who knew the government is actually selling drugs to everyone. This guy's amazing. What a douche bag.

  • March 5, 2007, 4:06 p.m. CST

    Now I got a clue

    by gboybama

    I just need to get my cronies at Haliburton to institute the "one strike and you're out / zero tolerance" rule for casual drug offenders and I will be able to limitlessly enrich myself. Damn. Life is sweet!

  • March 5, 2007, 4:10 p.m. CST

    Smoking Mary-gee-wanna leads to..

    by glodene

    communism...That's why i drank Captain Morgan & Coke becuz that be my happy drank.

  • March 5, 2007, 4:47 p.m. CST

    Yeah, I don't agree with..

    by shitstorm23

    "Gangbangers are misunderstood" stance. That just seems a little silly. But, if you don't think the CIA is behind crack, then you are just choosing to refuse simple logic. Let's see, there's this billion dollar/year industry and our noble government, who could care less about money, is not in on it. Yeah, right. Make a gang of money bringing the drugs into the country, then make just as much in the amount of tax dollars required to fight it. Why wouldn't they want to do this?? Math doesn't lie. But our govt has nothing to do with it, and the CIA/FBI had nothing to do with the MURDER of Fred Hampton. They had nothing to do with creating a rift in the Black Panthers which formed the Crips/Bloods. This isn't a Rep/Dem issue, it's a poor/rich issue. Which, is the biggest problem facing our country today. 80-90% wealth being held by 10% of the populace, but it's all good, because that 10% runs the country.

  • March 5, 2007, 6:11 p.m. CST

    the crack vs. cocaine jail time disparity

    by BadMrWonka

    under Reagan is one of the most patently racist things the government has done sine jim crow laws.

  • March 5, 2007, 6:50 p.m. CST

    I love my pot and want it legal, but...

    by ScienceMan

    I grow very tired of hearing the argument that pot is not harmful because it is "natural" and is somehow more ideal just by the very fact that it is not synthetically produced. This is nonsense. Arsenic also occurs naturally. So does molten lava. Uranium ore, lead, mercury, and Ebola are all naturally occuring substances, just like pot, but I don't want to ingest them. There are plenty of plants on this world that will kill you dead if you look at them cross-eyed, because the lord of all creation (Zeus, son of Kronos) is a tricky bastard who doesn't give a fuck about your personal safety, but is a big fan of physical comedy. Furthermore, as I type this while smoking my blessed "medical" marijuana (thank Zeus for california's wacky and self-contradictory drug laws), the pot I am smoking, like most good pot is these days, a highly modified strain, much more specifically selected for its recreational effects on the human body, than would ever be found in a "naturally" occurring wild marijuana plant strain. In other words, left to its own devices, plant evolution would not select for the killer green bud that gets you high these days - for that, we have the direct intervention of humans with a passing understanding of plant physiology and a great desire to breed a stronger bud, to thank.

  • March 5, 2007, 7:14 p.m. CST

    Gangs and terrorists are misunderstood

    by rudager

    Gangs and terrorists are misunderstood and obviously the way our government has chosen to deal with both of them is not working. Most of the earlier posters on this board are probably not aware that bloods co-founder t. Rodgers (www.trodgers.com) heads up a very successful organization that deals with the gang problem. Perhaps I over simplified the remark about gangs or maybe I was trying to be funny? But the media does cash in on sensationalizing gang violence in a way that only makes more kids want to join. KB

  • March 5, 2007, 8:32 p.m. CST

    I am buying this when it's on DVD.

    by hst666

    The fact that pot is illegal is insane compared to some of the drugs the FDA has approved let alone alcohol and cigarettes. And unless you live in a cave, how could you not know that the CIA has been involved in the international drug trade for years.

  • March 5, 2007, 8:57 p.m. CST

    I'll download this illegally when it's released

    by Doctor_Sin

    Power to the People!

  • March 5, 2007, 9:03 p.m. CST

    Man, I'm so high right now, on medicinal marijuana.

    by The Dum Guy

    Not really, but I have some good old beer to knock me out. It's nice to know that I can buy something to innebriate me, and potentially cause me toxic shock from prolonged use, marijuana's for people that can't take risk.

  • March 5, 2007, 9:03 p.m. CST

    Nonsense, all nonsense

    by PhillipMarlowe

    Yes, it's big business and the government's fault that people are drug and alcohol addicts. God forbid we actually hold someone personally responsible for their actions...as in snorting a little blow, or doing a little heroin, or bustin' a cap in whitie's ass...FUCK YOU KEVIN BOOTH

  • March 5, 2007, 9:07 p.m. CST

    WIll Gore jump on this? "An Inconvenient Stash"

    by Doctor_Sin

    "Dude. Pot is so natural, it *rebuilds* the Ozone."

  • March 5, 2007, 9:11 p.m. CST

    Gangstas just need HUGS! Hug one today!

    by Doctor_Sin

    This guy needs to see some of those prison documentaries where they show the black gangs knifing the Mexicans, the Mexicans knifing the Asians, the Whites beating the blacks, and all of them dealing drugs and running their crime "empires" from inside prison because their hos, hoodrats, and skanks smuggle in illegal shit. Yeah, someone shoot the dealer who's handing out those cards.

  • March 5, 2007, 9:20 p.m. CST

    This guy rules.

    by where_are_quints_hobbit_set_reports

    He had me at "fueled by hatred for a government that has long sold out to corporations", but the rest of the interview was excellent as well. Talk about fighting the good fight! Here's hoping this Doco gets some more attention....

  • March 5, 2007, 10:03 p.m. CST

    It's not difficult to figure out........

    by Jimmy Jazz

    If you want to get rid of the gangs (or at least minimize the damage they cause) you have to get rid of their guns. Not in some Big Brother style criminalization of firearms, but by getting rid of their source of revenue, which is the illegal narcotics trade. If you decriminalize narcotics, you shift the supply elsewhere and the gangs have lost their profit source. No profits means no money for gangbangers to buy all those shiny new guns and the homies will have to go back to knives and sticks. Gun dealers, illegal or not, do not give away their product for free. It's supply and demand economics, people. Of course that also means that the national "Drug enforcement" and prison industries will have to largely shut down. ANd that is not going to happen. There are too many governmental entities (local, state and national) are making too much money. It's a self perpetuating money making machine.

  • March 5, 2007, 10:32 p.m. CST

    I hope "Ole Gravy Leg" dies painfully, and soon.

    by Seph_J

    I hope "Ole Gravy Leg" dies painfully, and soon.

  • March 5, 2007, 10:41 p.m. CST

    Not Quite, Jimmy Jazz

    by PhillipMarlowe

    While decriminalizing narcotics would cause a drastic drop in the prison population, it's not not going to happen because of the "drug enforcement" or "prison industry"...whatever that even means. Prisons are incredibly overcrowed, especially in states like California and Texas, and underfunded. Where do they get their money? From the government. Where does it get it's money? From the taxpayers. You think gov't salaries are decent? Then you are an idiot. It's not a money making machine. It's a money-losing machine. Until the American public decides to decriminalize drugs, the prison system will continue to be overcrowded and underfunded...but it's not because of greedy Warden Bob over at Sing Sing, it's because Average American Joe thinks people that smoke dope should go to jail...which is just plain expensive. Stop blaming Uncle Sam and change your citizen's attitude toward drugs...otherwise, shut the hell up.

  • March 5, 2007, 10:50 p.m. CST

    edgrffkq

    by Hervoyel

    Sorry but I didn't bother reading past the "mom dying of liver damage after a lifetime of hard drinking" line. Know what? If you spend your entire life drinking heavily and kill your liver that's your fucking fault. If you spend your entire life smoking and turn your lungs into cancerous charcoal then that's your fault. If you spend all day wolfing down Big Macs and turn into fat tub of shit then that's your fault. The people close to you are dead not because these horrible evil companies killed them. They're dead because they're fucking stupid.

  • March 5, 2007, 11:04 p.m. CST

    And if you want to get rid of gangs the answer is easy

    by Hervoyel

    You kill them. You identify their members, coordinate your forces, and at a preset time you drag each and every one of them out into their front yard and while their mothers cry to sweet baby Jesus and beg for their lives (all the while swearing that their "baby" is a good boy) you put a bullet in the back of their heads. Then you leave them there on their front lawn. The next day after you've killed a few thousand of these turds you go on television and inform the nation that membership in any of these gangs is cause for summary execution and that anyone wanting to come forward and renounce their gang might not be killed in the next round. Then a week or so later you do it all over again.

  • March 5, 2007, 11:04 p.m. CST

    You have a point Marlowe.....

    by Jimmy Jazz

    insofar as changing people perceptions instead of waiting on your local Senator Fatass to do anything about it. But you are mistaken insofar as governmental and private entities treating this as a moneymaking venture. I live in California and used to be employed in a small county SHerriff's depratment. As long as I worked at the department, funding was based solely on the quota of narcotics busts we made. For a while in the mid 90's, the sherriff at the time became so adept at playing the funding system that we were running a profit far beyond the size and need of this particular rural mountain county. THe money was there, you just had to get creative and convince the State and Fed moneymen that you were swamped with Narcotics traffic (which we weren't) and that we were baaaad Eliot Ness types who were kicking ass and taking names (which we weren't). It was a sweet ride, if you have very little scruples. I got a bellyful and quit. It made me a born again evangelist for decriminalization. Furthermore, management of many state and federal prisons in the state are being turned over to private FOR PROFIT corporations. SOMEBODY must be making a bundle, or they wouldn't be in the business. It is an industry and the products are convicts and profits for these companies and governmental officials.

  • March 5, 2007, 11:26 p.m. CST

    I can't find the drugs I want to use.

    by gusradio

    Because the kids these days love the powders and don't give a damn about the psycho-dellics. Too busy playing World of Warcraft for conciousnes expansion with liquid blotter. far too caught up following the exploits of Jack Bower to have ever even heard of DMT way to worried about 1080p resolution DVD's to be interested in peyote. demand fuels supply so I'll watch this documentary get pissed at Bush (again) and complain that theres a possibility that what we preceive it is only a fraction of the reality surrounding us. also i had fun when i was a teenager. my own way, loose and twisted. now i hang with the nerds/geeks becuase the drug scene is lame nowadays. One other thing. not to stand up for any gang member EVER but having the ability to be compasionate and possibly attemting to see the world through someone elses eyes (ecspecially someone who's life is far harder and complicated than yours) would be a real virtue.

  • March 6, 2007, 2:26 a.m. CST

    I love my psychoactive drugs

    by Ryb0

    I eat shrooms twice a year. Its a great release. You can't find good doses and don't really know what you're eating so I don't do it. There is a good BBC Documentary/Mockumentary called If Drugs Where Legal, you can watch in on Google. It raises some interesting topics and is good fuel for debate.

  • March 6, 2007, 5:31 a.m. CST

    Dang! Hervoyel

    by glodene

    Don't y'all thank dat be a tad bit draconian? Awww who am i kiddin' Kill all dem drive-by shootin' bastards...And why deys at it, outlaw teen pregnantcy and tie da' tubes of deys mamas so dey can't pollute society with anymo' of deys' monkey-spawn.

  • March 6, 2007, 8:15 a.m. CST

    Hervoyel

    by Lost Prophet

    you must be joking. Either that or you are a deluded fascist. That is the most right wing thing I have read in ages. Firstly, Things that are bad for you are fun. I like drinking and smoking. I couldn't give a fuck about big mac's but would rather live in a world where people can do whatever to themselves than your anaesthetised salad crunching hell. Secondly, your second post just makes you a fascist.

  • March 6, 2007, 8:59 a.m. CST

    MMmmmmm. Gangaaaaaaaa

    by Teamwak

    Drugs are bad, m'kay?

  • March 6, 2007, 9:33 a.m. CST

    It's got nothing to do with being racist

    by Doctor_Sin

    One of the most violent and dangerous groups is the Aryan Brotherhood. They should be summarily executed on sight just like any Crip or whatever the fuck gangs the Asians and Mexicans have cooked up nowadays.<p>The worst thing about these fucking lowlifes is that they act like it's some fucking badge of honor to be a thug or a hoodlum, but then they turn and rat out everyone they can think of because they've watched so much TV, they all know how to cook deals and get lighter sentences. They're scum because their drugs and violence effects so many people around them.<p>And, yeah, I do have a problem with the lazy acceptance of Irish and Italian gangland. It's been popularized to the point that you can't walk two steps in some barrio store without seeing some fucking "Scarface" tapestry or poster or printed mirror or some shit - like Tony Montana is someone to idolize. And, yeah, you racist fucker Old Dirty Movie Bastard, I know because the grocery store I go to is on The East Side and fucking Scarface shit is everywhere.<p>I like Hervoyel's idea of killing gang members. It would thin society of all sorts of crap. I disagree that tobacco and alcohol companies aren't liable. Of course they are. They manufacture poison and need to be taken to task for it.

  • March 6, 2007, 9:36 a.m. CST

    And since when is Morgan Spurlock the authority

    by mr.underwater

    <on anything??<br>br> Before he was stuffing himself with fast food, he was paying homeless people to eat dog shit as founder of ibetyouwill.com.<br>br>Now he's some sort of documentary authority...

  • March 6, 2007, 9:44 a.m. CST

    poison

    by Lost Prophet

    rubbish, Doctor, rubbish. We make an informed decision to stuff our bodies with this- why should Alcohol and tobacco companies be held liable? Tobacco, yes up to a point, but anyone born since 1978 that has since picked up a cigarette did so knowing the consequences, I know I did. Alcohol on the other hand, no way. Why are you so concerned about handing down a high and mighty edict against companies that make things that are bad for you. <p>Just out of curiosity, where would you stop? Surely arms companies should be "taken to task" for making things that kill people a fuck sight faster than Alcohol or Tobacco? How about sporting goods companies- people kill each other with baseball bats? what about taking airlines "to task" for fucking up the ozone layer? or TV manufacturers for contributing to the fucking listless square eyed generation kicking around? or how about Hollywood itself for perpetuating this myth about gangsters? <p>Once you start with this shit it can go on forever, as there is always something that someone else thinks should be prohibited. To be honest, provided it doesn't touch my life in any way then fuck it- smoke, drink, read, watch, sniff, or eat what you want- It's none of my business.

  • March 6, 2007, 10:16 a.m. CST

    Kevin Booth is THE MAN

    by Kentucky Colonel

    I got to know Kevin through his association with Bill Hicks. I got the "Sane Man" VHS when it came out years ago with a nice handwritten note from Kevin. I subsequently ordered the Bill Hicks Wildlife Foundation Tribute VHS, and then when they came out the Sane Man DVD & Bill Hicks LIVE DVD's (all of which, BTW, should be on your shelf, fanboy). I wish I could make it to LA, but I'm stuck in the mire here in DC. KEVIN: Please look into booking your film here in DC at the Landmark E-Street Theater...home of the Documentary...202-452-7672 is the number listed in the Post). I'd love to see it, and maybe hang out and share a...whatever with you.

  • March 6, 2007, 10:20 a.m. CST

    Yeah, Propeht, as I said earlier...

    by Doctor_Sin

    I'm for legalizing all this stuff to prevent the morality police. That way, we could tax the crap out of it and make $. I was just saying that companies must own up to what they produce, in terms of warning labels and honesty. Oh yeah - if people wanna fuck themselves up, fine. But big tobacco spent billions trying to fight the allegations their product was harmful. But, yeah - that's business.

  • March 6, 2007, 11:01 a.m. CST

    I haven othing against things that are bad for me

    by Hervoyel

    I drink and I enjoy it. I love me some Guinness Stout but I don't over indulge and if my drinking should somehow bring about my early demise then that's my fault. I used Copenhagen for almost twenty years before I grew tired of it and decided the cost had climbed beyond reason. I enjoyed it and if I get told that I've got cancer at my next dental appointment that's my fault not the tobacco companies fault. I knew tobacco was bad for me before I got out of grade school(I'm 41 now) just like every single person in my age group. Anyone who says otherwise is either lying or wasn't paying attention for literally decades. As for my comments on gangs and my (final) "solution" I stand by it. The gang problem would be solved if each membership came with one free complimentary summary execution. These people would leave society not one penny poorer.

  • March 6, 2007, 11:14 a.m. CST

    I'd like to fuck Eva Green

    by feckdrinkarse

    I'd like to fuck Eva Green and then treat her real nice.

  • March 6, 2007, 11:36 a.m. CST

    As a person who sells loads o candy to fatasses

    by JackRabbitSlim

    I feel NO responsibility when your blubbery chest starts spasming from the mammoth stroke you will suffer from consuming vast quantities of fatty foods. Drug overdoses/lung cancer/obesity-caused heart attack = Darwin purging the planet. Good fucking riddance

  • March 6, 2007, 11:40 a.m. CST

    So, in other words

    by Theta

    More preaching to the choir and more strident "let's-ignore-the-details" horseshit. I like how he decides to stuff "the government" under one category. Yeesh; it's an important topic but after reading this interview, I don't know that I want to waste my time being lectured by somebody who doesn't want to see the details.

  • March 6, 2007, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Punish RJ Reynolds *AND* legalize pot?

    by Immortal_Fish

    WTF? Talk about your mutual exclusives.<P>Question -- Who will be first in line to bring pot to market? You do the math.<P>"When my mom was dying from liver failure, she was in an ICU unit with several others facing the same fate, all from a life of hard drinking."<P>...but in 20 or 30 years when it's someone else's mother dying from a life of hard pot smoking, that'll be okay?<P>Those gang members that this guy is running around with, am I to presume the whole lot is dry and sober?

  • March 6, 2007, 11:54 a.m. CST

    People, People, People!

    by zoo keep

    Man, you guys are missing the point entirely! You're focused on one interview comment, regarding the gangs, that is taken out of context. I had the honor of being among the first to preview this film in Austin TX last fall. The above write-up and following Q&A doesn't begin to touch the truths that are so undeniably documented in this film. Kevin actually set out to try to prove that our gov. is fighting an honest drug war. He was trying to make an anti-conspiracy doc. and couldn't, because with each new interview, new truths were revealed leading him down some unbelievable paths. In Austin, he pulled in the largest crowd this venue had ever had and he got a standing ovation. See the film - do the research - then make your comments. You know not of what you speak. Kevin, to you I say thank you. This film took guts and tells a story that needs telling.

  • March 6, 2007, 12:04 p.m. CST

    Just a few points

    by Mattapooh

    1) The "cards they were dealt" comment was completely accurate and I think it's kinda creepy that nobody else can understand that. If you were born to a single mother (father took off before he even knew your mother was pregnant) who was most likely DRINKING DURING PREGNANCY, still on booze and/or crack, passed out, fucking other guys, and had to get up and try to go to school with no food in the house, then had to walk through a gauntlet of thugs all day and the constant threat of being jumped/murdered, then saw all the local drug dealers making good money for hanging out at home, I think your actions would be pretty fucking similar. Gangs provide the only sense of security most of those people have (strength in numbers and that whole "need to belong" that most humans have) and I think that growing up in that environment would cause almost everyone to go the same route. Fetal Alcohol Syndrome plays a big part as well, I'm sure. 2) Kevin Booth's biography on Bill Hicks is really, really good stuff. I'm a massive Bill Hicks fan and I recommend it thoroughly. If you wanted a complete warts-and-all account of the dude's life, you'll get it here. It's nice to see somebody's whole character being presented without the sugarcoating and still being just as appealing. Hicks was pretty much a Christ figure in many ways, as melodramatic as that sounds.

  • March 6, 2007, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Fuck you, van Buren, hippie cocksmoker

    by Doctor_Sin

    All I said was to tax the shit out of a bunch of crap that fucks people up, and allows them to wallow in their own lonely misery. Same as liquor or smokes.<p>You fucking moronic idiot. Where in my post did I say anything about "That's what life is all about, not having meaningful relationships with human beings or anything, it's about a big invisible thing called the Economy that we all have to contribute to"? You fucking jackass.<p>If we legalize prostitution, it gets regulated, taxed (more money for fucking social programs or schools or roads, every day undercut by the Big G), and lonely miserable losers get their dicks ridden.<p>We legalize drugs, it gets regulated, taxed (even MORE money for social programs or schools or roads, or whatever), and a bunch of shiftless morons gets wasted.<p>Sounds damn good to me. Now, go back to your farm/commune and take a shit on the turnips.

  • March 6, 2007, 1:49 p.m. CST

    Government Behind Drugs is JUST the Tip of the iceberg

    by pockybot

    Good to FINALLY see a film coming out exposing how the US government and new world order is behind all the drugs to fund their black ops. People should go to video google and check out "TerrorStorm", "Martial Law 9/11", "America Freedom to Fascism", "The Corporation", "The Revolution Will Not Be Televised", "The Illuminati 2", "UFOS Gods and Angels" and "Why We Fight" if you really wanna take the red pill down the rabbit hole. Oh yeah, Harry Knowles NEEDS to interview Alex Jones, one of the most important filmakers and personalities of the 21st century.

  • March 6, 2007, 1:52 p.m. CST

    suck a moose's cock

    by moviepoopshooter

    Indeed Mattapooh. These violent "gangbangers" are our own creation, and we can get rid of them whenever we want. I'm sure Booth doesn't condone violence committed by any of these gang members any more than he condones that of any one else. That isn't what he was trying to say. It's sad that people are unable to comprehend exactly what he's saying. Immortal: Know anyone that's died of 20-30 years of hard pot smoking? Yeah, me neither. Anyway, Nevada was something like 7% of the vote away from voting to "tax and regulate" marijuana in 2006. Colorado's recreational marijuana initiative got more than 40%. So, more people are waking up, and it shouldn't be long now.

  • March 6, 2007, 7:13 p.m. CST

    Naturally, pockybot makes an appearance.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    And I see you're pimping the whole Austin/Alex Jones/InfoWars-meets-Kevin Booth/SacredCow conspiracy thing. Shocker.

  • March 6, 2007, 7:37 p.m. CST

    Pockybot, Save Some KOOLAID for the Rest of Us!!!!

    by PhillipMarlowe

    Seriously, do people like you have a genetic predisposition to be complete and utter morons? Did you know the moon-landing was filmed in a TV studio? Did you know you are a fucking idiot?

  • March 6, 2007, 7:46 p.m. CST

    "On the 7th Day in Waco"

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    As a fan of Bill Hicks, I actually purchased Sacred Cow's "On the 7th Day in Waco" a number of years ago. Basically, it's a mildly amusing home video of Kevin Booth and Bill Hicks driving around the area that surrounds the Branch Davidian Compound trying to get as close as possible to the site of the siege. They don't really accomplish anything other than cracking a few Koresh jokes.<P>There is an interesting (yet strangely incomplete) documentary (not credited by Booth/Sacred Cow) that is included with the home movie. The documentary contains the footage of the tank that allegedly started the fire that destroyed the compound (I believe this was shown on certain media outlets and various public access channels). It also contains some ghost-like footage of various shady law enforcement guys walking away from the building as the fire progresses.<P>The problem with the film is that it presents certain information and images in such a way that you are forced to agree with their conclusions without asking further questions. One could say that it's a precursor to "Loose Change" and other films of that nature.

  • March 6, 2007, 11:29 p.m. CST

    Message for Hervoyel from Kevin Booth

    by rudager

    I agree, when someone dies from Alcohol or Cigarettes they are getting what they deserve. If you ever end up seeing the film you will see that I come to that conclusion. My point is that major corporations are allowed to manufacture & distribute products that cause death & addiction for almost a million Americans a year and at the same time the DEA claims that Marijuana is illegal because of the dangers to your health. It just seems like two different sets of rules apply, and it has nothing to do with protecting us. But- what about pharmaceuticals? My brother died from taking legal doses of prescribed medication. Does he get what he deserves? And this was not some Anna Nicole medication regiment; this was non-recreational medication to stabilize his schizophrenia. And for your gang idea, how about you come to LA & I will take you to the LAPD guys that live this shit everyday and you can tell them your idea. Problem is, the people who actually deal with gangs have known these families for years. These are people’s sons & fathers. I’m certainly no gang expert; I don’t consider myself to be an expert about any of this. All of the information in my film is coming from the mouths of DEA agents, Narc officers, Judges and Cops who work in Skid-Row. On the other side of the law, actual gang members, former smugglers and so on. I have now been close friends with T. Rodgers (bloods founder) for several years and this is what I have seen with my own eyes, not from watching “Training day” or “Colors” or the news, but in real life. In LA each neighborhood is controlled & run by a certain gang for better or worse. If you have grown up in that neighborhood, you are automatically labeled as being a part of that gang even if you have never participated in any gang activity. Knowing that you used to chew skoal I’m going to guess you have not spent much time in the ghetto, maybe I’m wrong, I try not to jump to conclusions without having all the facts. My point is that most of these poor kids don’t ask for this, its thrust upon them & many of them are “only playing the hand they have been dealt” to quote myself. I have a great idea for a new reality show, we drop you off in the middle of Skid Row with a bunch of your armed buddies & you can try your “kill all the gang members idea” and I get to film what happens as you pray for that mouth cancer to kick in fast. I know your probably not a bad guy, and that fear causes people to say stupid shit, but at least have the balls to use your real name if you going advocate killing people. Even if it is just a joke. Maybe you could get a job in Iraq, I hear they are looking for some really tough guys who are not afraid to confront people on message boards using fake names. Sincerely Kevin Booth

  • March 7, 2007, 1:20 a.m. CST

    Immortal Fish

    by hst666

    Nobody to my knowledge has ever died (and I literally mean no one) from 20 - 30 years of hard pot smoking.

  • March 7, 2007, 3:39 a.m. CST

    WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE???

    by texasranger

    It's funny to read these comments.... you can tell who's a NIGGER and who's a CRACKER. ignorance on both sides. This cracker put on a nice display of information. he even went into the ghetto with the niggers to bring you all the raw information possible. If your cock-sucker ass don't like what he said about the niggers and the gangs, who cares? Good job GREAT WHITE HOPE

  • March 7, 2007, 9:07 a.m. CST

    blame bush? yawn

    by ZO

    same old tired liberal conspiracy at play how about taking some responsibility for partaking in illegal activities? if u dont want hard drug laws. tell ur legislatures. its a free country!

  • March 7, 2007, 9:12 a.m. CST

    this guy is a loon

    by ZO

    hes an apologist for LA gangs??? he cant be serious. i cant believe hje didnt get into all the good work and community service gangs do for the LA people they're killers and dealers because the white devil and poverty made them. i get it now

  • March 7, 2007, 10:03 a.m. CST

    ZO represents the scared masses YAWN

    by rudager

    Yea that’s exactly what I’m doing, I’m apologizing for gangs. That is about as brilliant as the current administration’s “If your not with us, you’re a terrorist” stance. I guess if I made a film about Great White sharks, you would be saying “”this guy is advocating sharks eating people, what a moron” I think you should run out & buy bigger locks for your windows, and a new alarm system with one of those panic buttons. As good Christians we should only kill what we don’t understand, it’s what Jesus would want. Why try to solve a problem when you can out-gun it. Yea it’s a free country when our government is allowed to control what you put in & what you take out of your body, oh god the freedom of it. P.S. Sorry, but using the word “Liberal” as if it was some sort of derogatory term ceased being original I believe around Nov. 7th 2006. This is starting to get fun. KB

  • March 7, 2007, 12:55 p.m. CST

    pinko liberal commie hippies

    by moviepoopshooter

    The thing that's always baffled me is that what these "liberals" want is for people to be able to take responsibility for taking part in certain activities, such as smoking marijuana. But it appears that THE GOVERNMENT doesn't want that. You know, we want BIG GOVERNMENT to stop meddling in our shit. Its the same stuff that your windbag radio hosts tell you that you should want. Yet, the same "conservatives" that get their large panties in a bunch whenever a public smoking ban is considered don't give a fuck about , and are actually against, changing marijuana laws. What? Why? You are the fucks that are supposed to be fearful of a nanny state. Please be a little more consistent. That being said, unfortunately, the whole war on drugs transcends the silly left/right politics bullshit. If ending it was a "liberal" or Democrat cause, it would have happened a long time ago.

  • March 7, 2007, 1:13 p.m. CST

    hst666

    by Immortal_Fish

    "Nobody to my knowledge has ever died (and I literally mean no one) from 20 - 30 years of hard pot smoking."<P>No one YOU know? Oh, well, then that clears it up nicely. Stop the presses! Clearly it can't ever happen, simply because YOU don't know of a single instance where someone died of pot.<P>Why do you presume I'm speaking only of health risks related to inhalation? Is one or is one not impaired when high?<P>When/if it is regulated (something I hope DOES happen, mind you, you pigeon-holing troll), it will be saturated in chemical preservatives among other crap just like cigarettes are today. All healthy, organic stuff, you presume?<P>And it will be marketed by the eeeBUL RJ Reynolds.

  • March 7, 2007, 1:52 p.m. CST

    This Is Madness...!

    by buster00

    THIS...IS...SPARTA!!

  • March 7, 2007, 3:20 p.m. CST

    soo smart...

    by texasranger

    i don't believe the comments you people make. How can one happy redneck cracker talk shit because Kevin actually made a point about the cards blacks have been dealt? your little white kids wish they were black. I see it all the time. These sorry Black Gang Members have been put in a certain situation. they have been stripped of self-being. As soon as a CRACKER lose his job people are getting shot!!!!!! who's doing the shooting? fucking hypocrites. BLACKS are dealing with their issues. Being a WHITE MAN is the easiest thing to do in America.

  • March 8, 2007, 5:06 p.m. CST

    Message for Kevin Booth from Hervoyel

    by Hervoyel

    Thanks for the response Kevin (I'm going to operate under the assumption that you are Kevin even if you're not for no other reason than that I can't find a single reason not to do so) and please believe me when I say that I think you have a hell of a point about marijuana and the hypocrisy of it remaining illegal while alcoholic beverages and tobacco products are legally for sale. I think people should have the right to harm themselves with weed too if they please. I just don't think they should subject the rest of the world to their whines when something bad comes from it. That's a small matter really and as you said we're not too terribly far apart there. Your response to my comments about gangs indicate that there we are a lot farther apart there. No, I'm not speaking from fear so the "fear makes you say some crazy shit" angle isn't on target. I'm speaking from experience. I'm a 41 year old former MP and police officer who now works in IT after a bad spill down a flight of stairs. Your long list of sources is probably littered with people who might say the same things I did but who would never voice these kinds of sentiments in public or to a filmmaker. It's a fast track to professional suicide. I've been in locker rooms with other officers while conversations about horrific solutions like the one I suggested (horrific but no doubt effective) took place and if you think that what you captured in your film (which I will certainly see) are the complete story then good for you. Excellent in fact. Most of these good kids don't ask for it but we permit it to continue. Ending it is going to be an ugly thing whether it's done the way I described or following decades of pussy footing around and baby-steps that could barely be labeled progress at all. It's a cancer on our society and eventually you either cut the cancer out or you succumb to it. I don't expect you to answer me but I can be reached at hervoyel@gmail.com. It can't get any more full of spam than it already is so fire away. No, I'm not going to throw my name out here to prove I've got "balls". You may think that this is a "confrontation" but I know those don't happen on message boards and so do you.

  • March 9, 2007, 11:17 a.m. CST

    One more message for Hervoyel from Kevin Booth

    by rudager

    I appreciate your honesty; I had a slight feeling that you had some sort of law enforcement background. The film I mentioned that you should watch “Bastards of the Party” (currently on HBO) talks about how during the Black Panther era the chief of police in Los Angeles would recruit white EX marines from the Deep South. So yes I believe it when you say they sit around in locker rooms wishing they could simply kill everyone. First off and this is important, my film is about the Drug War, not about Gangs, so we are way off in territory that my film does not cover. However, like I said, I have spent several years getting to know people on both sides, so maybe I know a few things? Did you see the Front-Line special in which the film crew spent several months with groups of terrorists who were setting car bombs? You would think, and maybe it’s just me- that our military would be interested in what those guys learned. (Love thy enemy? Know thy enemy? I keep my friends close & my enemies even closer?) I do think Iraq is a perfect parallel to what is going on in our ghettos, and maybe even some hellish vision of the future if we don’t as one human race take some sort of responsibility for those who fall through the cracks of society. Its real easy to have the “survival of the fittest” mentality when your one of the fittest, but even you as a former M.P. obviously had some sort of education to fall back on after injuring yourself. The problem is that in both Iraq & our ghettos, when the police or gang members or whoever kill someone, that person will be instantly replaced by someone who is twice as angry and twice as motivated toward revenge. I feel you rolling you eyes because I know its not the first time you have heard it. Just for one second, remove yourself from everything and imagine that someone kills your father and or brother. Are you going to say “Oh well they got what they deserved” no your not, your going to pick up a gun and focus your life on revenge. Same goes for small time drug dealers, arrest a kid selling crack and not only will he be replaced in about 3 seconds, his replacement will be younger, smarter, better armed, and have even more of a “”Fuck the Police” mentality. And so the cycle continues, on and on. Everyone is a racist deep down inside, especially black people. A few weeks ago while driving home from that gang rally, I asked my friend “So why didn’t you guys bring your riot to Beverly Hills after the Rodney King verdict, why do they always kill each other & destroy their own property” he didn’t really say much other then they destroyed stores owned by non blacks. I guess they know that if they had gone into Beverly Hills, the police retaliation would have been a practical annihilation. Living in Los Angeles, you get a sense of boundaries, and that the blacks contain 90% of their illegal activity to South Central. So back to my original comment that started this: how does a good kid who is born into this navigate his way through all of this without being caught up in it? It’s practically impossible; especially when the average white cop who is a former marine thinks all blacks look alike. So when you’re off killing all the bad guys, you better make sure 100% of them are guilty, because in the ghettos as in Baghdad, everyone looks the same and everyone is related. The bigger problem is that huge corporations (here I go blaming the actual culprits again SORRY!!) are telling all the youth that its cool to dress like a gang banger, not to mention all the shiny expensive shit one needs to own to be cool these days. Rich kids get credit cards & go into debt. While the less fortunate end up breaking the law, just so they can own new sneakers. I am hopeful, I do think that in the end cool minds will prevail. A new film “RIZE” about this new dance craze in South Central, has some of these kids finally saying “We want more out of life then just owning big jewelry & fancy cars, we want peace” So just for one second imagine instead of killing a 1000 bad guys, what about handing out a 1000 scholarships? I know that sort of talk does not do shit for the cop on the beat that gets shot at, but here in America we have this thing that is supposed to keep our military & our police separate. (Posse Comitatus I think?) Police are supposed to “Protect & Serve” and its really sad that even most white people are now afraid of the police. (I wonder why?) We can continue talking here, but after it fizzles out your more then welcome to come over to the SacredCow message board. Maybe you should talk to T. Rodgers? He hates gang bangers, he has been shot 4 times, but has chosen to help the problem from inside with compassion not this eye for an eye mentality that got us here. KB