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‘You May As Well Come Inside, Claire!!’ L-Prime Gives 4.5 Stars To The Last HEROES Till April!!

I am – Hercules!!
After tonight, only five more new episodes left, and you can be pretty certain at least three of those will air in May. 1.18, airing Monday night in the United States, aired in Canada Sunday night. Great White North inhabitant “L-Prime” has the review: What’s it called? “Parasite” Who’s responsible? Written by Christopher Zatta, Kevin Bray directs. What does TV Guide say? “Nathan meets Linderman in person just before the election; Hiro goes for the sword again with dire consequences; Suresh makes a breakthrough on “the list”; another person with powers, Candice Wilmer (Missy Peregrym), shows up.” TV Guide leaving anything out? Hmm. Peter and Isaac deal with the fallout of shooting Simone, which spins off in a couple different directions. Niki/Jessica shows up a little, gets entwined in a little something else. HRG seemed to be in a bit of a pickle last week — are we left hanging to get resolution with him? Nope. As the previews basically gave away, he is alive and well. Minus some memory of course, but an update comes from a surprising source. HRG start moving forward trying to find Claire? He does. And? He hits a snag. How do we get the Linderman reveal? We start with a casually dropped bombshell (so to speak), creating a pretty huge shift in a couple storylines before the credits stop rolling. His eventual appearance (open secret, Malcolm McDowell) is pretty damn good too. Is Linderman running ‘the company’? Not as far as I can tell. Are there any more hints on who’s behind HRG’s company? Nope, and we only get a moment or two of Eric Roberts, nothing too mind-boggling. Malcolm McDowell. Cool. He really was. Nicely nuanced (to use an overused cliché) performance as well. Where the character could have come across as, well, some sort of comic supervillain, the writing and performance show us that Linderman may be just another fascinating player in this game, rather than an all-powerful architect. Parkman was unconscious at the end of last week, stretched out on a biobed. He is no longer out of it, but we only get a few seconds of Mr. Grunberg. Those pesky trailers show Simone up and about, albeit a tad perforated — what’s up? Let’s just say it has to do with Missy Peregrym’s newly introduced ability. Hiro goes for the sword? He does. Takes a couple tries, and he runs into Ian Gomez (of “Felicity” and many other JJ Abrams projects) in the meantime. Suresh and Sylar? Suresh finally starts really earning his reputation as a smartypants, but not all goes to plan. Niki, DL and Micah? Niki/Jessica get taken out of the house and into someone else’s story, leaving the tyke and the man behind. Being the last episode before a decent hiatus, do we depart gently, or are we left hanging? Boy are we. No fewer than six separate story points are left dangling, with at least four lives directly in the balance. What’s good? “You told me.”; “No one. I already have you.”; “Fr!!—” “Not here.”; “Isaac, what’s going on?”; “My, you’re very useful.”; pitch perfect torture of Sylar; “Now, who’s the real parasite here?”; Suresh turns it up to eleven; “I knew you’d set off an alarm eventually.”; “You are your father’s son.”; “Yes, he is going to be a problem. Why don’t we do it right now?”; “I failed.”; “You may as well come inside Claire.”; who the Haitian ended up working for; where we end up meeting Linderman; so many cliffhangers — April cannot bring the last run of the first season soon enough. What’s no good? The Niki/Jessica soap opera is present, but mercifully abrupt; some of the cliffhangers are so hangy that you’ll wish you got a few more seconds with each ending, just to absorb more of where each is potentially heading. How does it end? “I’d like to see how that works.” Rating for Heroes 1.18 (out of five stars)? ****1/2. Not quite up to last week’s absolute tour de force, but then again, that would be hard to pull off. All told, an excellent way to go into reruns, and with enough jeopardy to choke any number of whatever you might need to choke a large number of.

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  • March 5, 2007, 2:48 a.m. CST

    Great Episode

    by topaz4206

    5 stars from me. Thanks for not printing the review I sent 2 hours ago, Herc.

  • March 5, 2007, 2:51 a.m. CST

    Holy f-ing Firsties....damn - second :(

    by DoogieHowitzer


  • March 5, 2007, 2:52 a.m. CST

    On vacation Monday

    by DoogieHowitzer

    Gonna have to watch it online or in hotel. Can;t wait - sad the season is almost over though.

  • March 5, 2007, 2:57 a.m. CST

    Loomis 2.0! I can't wait...

    by Boondock Devil

    Damn canucks! Still have to wait another 17 hours yet. Really looking forward to seeing McDowell on this show.

  • March 5, 2007, 3:10 a.m. CST

    so exciting!

    by BadMrWonka

    chrth, it's the league finals tomorrow for bowling. we're in the chaaampionshiiiiiips...any predictions?<p>then Heroes, and then I'm gonna take a crap for an hour and wipe my butt with the TV Guide. hey, if paul haggis can shit on the TV for an hour, why can't I?

  • March 5, 2007, 3:20 a.m. CST

    Herc, why nothing on that Superman: Doomsday movie?

    by Boondock Devil

    It's going to be great! PG-13 animated movie with Adam Baldwin as Supes and James Marsters as Lex. And a possibly sexually confused Lois Lane voiced by Anne Heche. How can that not be cool?

  • March 5, 2007, 3:29 a.m. CST

    Just finished watching it (no spoilers)

    by Razorback

    Pretty badass. It seems like this is the "most things go wrong for a lot of people" episode. The last two have been intense. If last week's was a 5 out of 5 then this one is a 4.9 out of 5.

  • March 5, 2007, 3:58 a.m. CST

    Breaks Are Fucken Retarded

    by LittleDudes

    Damn you Michael Bay, I assume this is your doing.

  • March 5, 2007, 5:45 a.m. CST

    Was Awesome.

    by afdoyle

    Episode was great and Sony even pimped their PS3 game Heavenly Sword (which isn't out yet), Nikki/Jessica and Micah were playing it.

  • March 5, 2007, 6:21 a.m. CST

    the "all-powerful architect" behind everything...

    by Onomaki Forp

    ...will be revealed as...Mrs. Petrelli. Not Nathan's wheelchair-bound wife, but his and Peter's mother.

  • March 5, 2007, 7:12 a.m. CST

    That's it, I'm moving to Canada

    by chrth

    I miss the Red-Green Show too.

  • March 5, 2007, 7:28 a.m. CST

    BETTER than last week's episode

    by DynamixRo

    Which pretty much makes it the best episode yet. And I say this because it was great on all the fronts, not just on the Claire & HRG one. A lot of plot development and a few really nice twists. Heck, I even liked all the Nikki\Jessica\Micah\DL stuff. People really should cut Ali Carter some slack, she does as good a job as many other actors on this show. The only really negative aspect is that we have too wait so many weeks for the next episode. :(

  • March 5, 2007, 7:28 a.m. CST

    Good, but not as good as last week

    by NickC

    I watched this last night. It was a great episode (these seem to have improved since the first half of the season) but nothing will be as good as last week's. Last week's show is still blowing me away.

  • March 5, 2007, 7:28 a.m. CST

    the company

    by punto

    I thought it was pretty clear that it was Hiro's father behind it.. didn't he show up last ep bossing around everyone? (plus he's rich and powerful). <p> Also, looks like Peter and Isac are going to be playing selected scenes from Weekend at Bernie's, can't wait!

  • March 5, 2007, 7:41 a.m. CST

    How can Linderman Not be big cahuna?

    by biggles2_22

    Remember, HRG was reporting to him until Star80(tm) came into the picture. Save Ando, Save !Awesome!(tm).

  • March 5, 2007, 7:49 a.m. CST

    If anyone needs me, I'll be in the other Heroes tb

    by chrth

    I fear being spoilt

  • March 5, 2007, 8:25 a.m. CST

    HRG stuff is very disappointing

    by UMAGA

    The mind wipe was pointless as he pretty much knows everything he should within the first five minutes.

  • March 5, 2007, 8:26 a.m. CST

    Queer As Folk Jewelry Collection

    by UMAGA

    Nice ads..

  • March 5, 2007, 8:27 a.m. CST

    I've already seen it

    by wacapp85

    Because it was broadcast in canada sunday, and showed up on the bittorrent networks shortly thereafter. And boy is the ending a cliffhanger. It ends up with a confrontation many have speculated will happen for a while now.

  • March 5, 2007, 8:52 a.m. CST

    So this will be Peter's scar

    by Russman

    Syler probably starts to cut into him before Peter opens up a can of Whoop Ass.

  • March 5, 2007, 8:59 a.m. CST

    Hiro in Happatai's "Yatta!"

    by Onomaki Forp

    When I first saw Hiro throw up his arms in Times Square and cry out "Yatta!" the first thing I thought of was Happatai/Green Leaves song "Yatta!" It seemed such a perfect match. Well, this guy at YouTube thought so too check out this video: I still can't get the hang of tinyurl so don't forget to fill any gaps.

  • March 5, 2007, 9:25 a.m. CST

    I am neither Canadian nor bittorent user...

    by Onomaki Forp my postulation about Mama Petrelli is merely that...prophecy based on my owned sense of whats going on...nothing actually cheaty spoily from me! But think it may be that she is the one the Haitian answers too? she is Claire's Grandma, no?

  • March 5, 2007, 9:27 a.m. CST

    Good stuff.

    by I Hope You Die

    Sylar has, for me, now achieved the status of all great supervillains: I'm kinda hoping he wins. I at least hope he doesn't die. They could've easily screwed things up when they went from shadowy figure to talkative seemingly ordinary guy; but he's great.

  • March 5, 2007, 9:38 a.m. CST

    stupid time of day preventing me from seeing heroes now

    by just pillow talk

    Nikki as an assassin works and makes her much more bearable.

  • March 5, 2007, 10:14 a.m. CST

    "You may as well come inside, Claire!"

    by themikejonas

    Damn that comma!

  • March 5, 2007, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Man.. the last 30 seconds..

    by Freefinger

    ...makes you want to skip time and move to the next episode right away... Talk about you're cliffhangers! <p>Split it open Sylar! Split it open!

  • March 5, 2007, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Missy Peresomething

    by purplemonkeydw

    as she hulk, man that girl is ripped!

  • March 5, 2007, 11 a.m. CST

    Maybe the Haitian's working for Linderman.

    by CrichtonAstronut

    It's been assumed that Linderman is one of HRGs bosses, but what if instead he's "one of them" doing the Magneto thing and organizing his people against HRGs bosses and perhaps the est of the human world when he has enough of them working for him.

  • March 5, 2007, 11:07 a.m. CST


    by Shakes

    Great, more pre-school crap with Hiro on a "mission" and looking for a "magic sword". Easily one of my favorite shows on right now, and my favorite on Mondays, but the Hiro stuff always makes me roll my eyes. Ando was awesome, but now even he's gone. Does anyone here actually like Hiro's storyline?

  • March 5, 2007, 11:08 a.m. CST

    play by play

    by Jubba

    i watched the show and wrote out a synopsis on the's full of spoilers and typos, so only check it out if you want the episode to be ruined :)

  • March 5, 2007, 11:37 a.m. CST

    Ha ha suckers!

    by PwnedByStallone

    Enjoy your hiatus. I'll be kicking back and watching Lost kick ass week after week after week.

  • March 5, 2007, 11:42 a.m. CST

    There are AT LEAST 4 "Holy Shit!" moments in it...

    by Charlie Murphy

    ...probably more. i was blown away by each act break, and of course the ending. four and a half stars is accurate.

  • March 5, 2007, 11:43 a.m. CST

    This show is getting better and better

    by robworld77

  • March 5, 2007, 11:46 a.m. CST

    And another thing...

    by PwnedByStallone

    the only reaso nthis show has been bareable so far has been the prospect of these people using their powers to a greater extent in the season's to come. Now Kring says to "be prepared" for all new chracters next season. So every season we have to listen to wussies complaining about their superpowers while it is slowly rvelaed what THEIR power is? zzzzzzzzzzz....

  • March 5, 2007, 11:47 a.m. CST


    by robworld77

  • March 5, 2007, 11:49 a.m. CST


    by jarodvhale

    at least we know where Peter's scar came from.....hehehe that ep was outstanding....wouldn't it be something if the head of the Company was the Petrelli's father and now the mom is in charge...... there are way too many things to talk about...but this show gets better and better....

  • March 5, 2007, 12:02 p.m. CST

    Everyone likes the Hiro storyline.

    by I Hope You Die

    I speak for the whole world on this matter.

  • March 5, 2007, 12:09 p.m. CST

    One of the best episodes so far

    by Leopold Scotch

    It's apples and oranges comparing this to last week's. They are both superb, but totally different in structure and content.<br><br> SPOILERS <br><br> Really cool about Peter's scar. I don't think Grandama Petrelli is the head of the company: I think she's trying to protect Claire from them: remember, the Haitian is working for her and he's protecting her from the company.<br><br> I also get the impression that Linderman probably isn't as bad as he's made out to be, but that would go against Jessica's contract to kill Peter. But then why would Linderman want Peter to win the election and get into the White House if he's going to have him killed? I've gone cross-eyed. Also, Ando's return was great: even if it did go against any practical logic, it was still brilliant. I wonder if Mohinder is a goner now? And what about HRG? Gaahh. Loving it.

  • March 5, 2007, 12:14 p.m. CST

    The only bad thing about 3.18

    by Leopold Scotch

    Was the shameless PS3 ad. That footage went on for about twenty seconds, and Jessica practically waves the controller in front of the camera.

  • March 5, 2007, 12:15 p.m. CST

    my name sucks, "messi"?

    by PwnedByStallone

    At least I'm not named after a mediterranean tapa. Just face it Lost owns Heroes' ass and always will. We'll see if you still love this show 3 seasons in.

  • March 5, 2007, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Resist... resist...

    by David Lazarus Long

    it's in my downloads folder... must.. resist.. urge to.. watch.. early... AAAAAAAAAGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHH

  • March 5, 2007, 12:38 p.m. CST


    by CoffeeAndCinema

    I wouldn't be too sure about Ando being gone...

  • March 5, 2007, 12:45 p.m. CST

    David Long...

    by ArcherNX01

    Give in to the temptation! It's really good! I got up an hour before I leave for work to watch it and it was sooo worth it!

  • March 5, 2007, 12:48 p.m. CST

    PS, Mike Jonas

    by ArcherNX01

    Excellent grammar joke... and wow, I can't believe I actually wrote that sentence.

  • March 5, 2007, 1:04 p.m. CST

    I called my dad

    by RedCricketChase

    to give him the tease "someone gets a haircut at the end." Too spoilery? :( I kind of feel bad now.

  • March 5, 2007, 1:06 p.m. CST

    RedCricketChase (spoiler)

    by Autoclave

    Dammit, I had just thought of the line, "at least Peter finally got a haircut" and you have to come in with that.

  • March 5, 2007, 1:13 p.m. CST


    by Shakes

    well can someone explain why they like Hiro then. I just don't get it.

  • March 5, 2007, 1:25 p.m. CST

    Ok... I watched until the title card...

    by David Lazarus Long

    That was enough to slake my thirst for the moment. It's just so much better in hi def. Lost, Heroes and Veronica Mars are the only two shows I actually watch when they air just so I can watch them in the glory of HD. <p> But now, thanks to Canadia and their early showings, I'm really torn here. Damn you, Global! =P

  • March 5, 2007, 1:26 p.m. CST


    by David Lazarus Long

    three shows. Yes. No, I'm not even drunk yet.

  • March 5, 2007, 1:40 p.m. CST

    oh yeah...

    by jarodvhale

    and the return of Super Ando...outstanding.... Suresh ain't going anywhere...he's finally figured everything out...and once peter starts kickin some ass....he will help suresh cause he is the only one that peter trusts.... in answer to how linderman knows..he's not the head of the company..but he does of all of the dirty work...I still think it's the petrelli patriach...but something tells me it might be Sloane's dad..and now that he is was supposed to be sloane..but now she is dead...(maybe)'ll be interesting to see... I like the pace though...quick not ridiculous....

  • March 5, 2007, 1:41 p.m. CST


    by jarodvhale

    techinically..we never saw sloane's pappy die right..sloane told peter....hmmmm

  • March 5, 2007, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Missy Peregrym + Short skirt

    by Jack_Bauer

    I am so there.

  • March 5, 2007, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Biggest news: We get to see how..

    by rockgolf

    ..Peter loses his damn sheepdog forelock. (The writers promised it would be interesting.)

  • March 5, 2007, 1:50 p.m. CST

    "damn that comma"

    by oisin5199

    That was frakkin hilarious. I literally lol'ed. Anyway, I've always been on the fence about this show, but last week's was incredible. I wish there were more self-contained eps like that, instead of ten different plots happening at once. Put various 'heroes' in the same place and make it mean something.

  • March 5, 2007, 1:50 p.m. CST


    by PwnedByStallone

    Where's the 24 talkback?

  • March 5, 2007, 1:52 p.m. CST


    by PwnedByStallone

    I won't go in it because of "SUPER SPOILERS." This sucks. What if you want to just talk about the show without havign the next TWO fucking episodes laid out for you?

  • March 5, 2007, 1:55 p.m. CST

    Don't worry

    by Jack_Bauer

    Jack will torture somebody, lose his only lead, break the rules to persue his next only lead and save the day. and possibly say "damnit"

  • March 5, 2007, 2 p.m. CST

    Did Canada get Spider-Man stuff?

    by CornNut007

    yeah yeah the show is good. But did you Canadians get spider-man footage or is that only tonight?

  • March 5, 2007, 2:01 p.m. CST

    yay Canada

    by samsquanch

    just watched the torrent. excellent, but just to move the plot along. All it accomplished was making me want to see the next one right now.

  • March 5, 2007, 2:22 p.m. CST

    shapeshifting woman

    by Mr_X

    id like to hook up with her, imagine the possibilities...well as long as she doesnt turn into a bloke. another top episode. im awaiting for the whole peter/sylar smackdown

  • March 5, 2007, 2:25 p.m. CST

    haha suckers

    by Mr_X

    and to top it off, im the 1,000,000 visitor to the site and i've won a free laptop. good thing too as my funds are a bit low as i've had to transfer some money to a friend in nigeria who's hooking me up on a secret hush hush deal

  • March 5, 2007, 2:50 p.m. CST

    isnt it the point!!!

    by kmw4121

    to make you want to watch the next episode for fracking hells sake if all hourly scripted television did this we would be very spoilt' for choice as it is we only have a precious few instead savor them while you can .....

  • March 5, 2007, 3:11 p.m. CST

    Once AGAIN....

    by 2LeggedFreak

    ...A show chock full of things happening. This feels a bit Saturday morning serial though in that surely there are going to be a few cheesy "escapes by the skin of their teeth" moments, otherwise half the cast are goners !!! Spoiler XXX I don't think our new addition is a shape shifter, she's more like a holgraphic projector, which means that you are not even be able to trust the things you see around her. The big difference between this show and Lost is that you sit there with a huge grin on your face with Heroes. Whilst with Lost you sit there grinding your teeth down to the gums in sheer frustration.

  • March 5, 2007, 3:51 p.m. CST

    Does anyone actually care about Lost?

    by Fenton Meiks

    The only reason I still watch Lost is out of habit. Everyone else I know who watches it is exactly the same. Two and a half seasons in and still hardly anything's happened. Not one character has made anything close to progression. Apart from the dead ones. In fact, that's it... I'm stopping watching it. After this weeks episode. Heroes shits all over Lost. It's not even up for discussion. Great episode this week. I can't believe there's a 6 week break. That's infuriating! I'm so angry I'm gonna go out and beat up someone smaller than me, probably a child or a dwarf. Great show though.

  • March 5, 2007, 3:59 p.m. CST

    I agree Fenton...

    by SantiagoAtez

    The keyword is "habit." I guess that's the reason I still watch Lost. Although I really do enjoy the performances by Jack, Locke, and Desmond. My biggest problem with the show: really inappropriate reactions and dialog .....example, Sawyer comes busting out of the jungle and sees Hurley. Hurley: "Dude, you made it" you would expect him to at least spend a good amount of time asking what the hell happened...but no...."Dude, help me with this VW, it'll be fun." The majority of dialog in Lost is more of a mystery than its plot.

  • March 5, 2007, 4:08 p.m. CST


    by 2LeggedFreak

    Only a complete sicko would beat up a small child....dwarves okay ...small children ...BAD ! BAD FENTON !!!.....................................................................Not sure where I stand on dwarf children...can I come back to you on thaat?

  • March 5, 2007, 4:09 p.m. CST

    got no problem with progression

    by samsquanch

    but if you've seen the episode, and especially how it ends, and take that into consideration that it's the last one for six fucking weeks-- well, let's just say it's frustrating. Oh, and by the way, I think I know how Peter got his scar now.

  • March 5, 2007, 4:19 p.m. CST

    Gosh, you Canadians are so spoily!

    by Onomaki Forp

    I haven't seen the episode yet and now know just about everything that happens! I should have stayed in the other thread like chrth. Oh well, at least it sounds like my theories about Mama Petrelli will have some justification in this episode. Even if I got the show spoiled for me there is the satisfaction of guessing correctly...

  • March 5, 2007, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Michael Bay Denis

    by GunsForHands

    "Only a ninja would be so crazy to use guns for hands" - DeNiro

  • March 5, 2007, 4:29 p.m. CST


    by Leopold Scotch

    Shut up about Heroes vs Lost, eh? It's madness. Really, it is. It's stupid. It's not smart. It's idiotic. It's mindless. It's redundant. It's boring. It's irritating... See what I'm doing here? Just saying the same type of thing over and over until it becomes annoying and redundant? Yep. <br><br> Lots of people still watch Lost. It's not all about progression. For some shows, it often is, and that's why shows like Heroes shouldn't be compared to shows like Lost. For my part, both shows are top quality and they shouldn't be put up against each other for stupid reasons. I think the acting and the characterisation is better in Lost so far, but the pacing in Heroes makes me look forward to it just as much. You shouldn't compare a show whch focuses on characterisation with a show that's driven by plot. The huge weekly talkbacks on Lost show 2 things:<br><br>1: That people still watch it and enjoy discussing it.<br><br>2: That the same old arguments and counter-arguments go round and round and round, making the talkback less and less worthy of my time because of long, boring posts like this one. Consider this my revenge to all who have wasted my time either (A) Talking complete bullshit. OR (B) Telling me things I already know.

  • March 5, 2007, 4:39 p.m. CST


    by 2LeggedFreak

    Good points all. A lot of the Lost posts are born of frustration though so you need to give us a break. Only point I would challenge you on is the characterisation in Lost. I would venture to suggest that we have learnt nothing new about these characters in a very long time. The pseudo real time nature of the show puts paid to that. Finally having thought through all your points carefully can I just close by saying that Heroes beats seven shades of shit out of Lost which headed downhill in Series 2 and will never recover. Heroes however will go on to dominate world television for ever and ever and ever. Have I mentioned that Lost is shite ?

  • March 5, 2007, 4:41 p.m. CST

    I should say

    by Leopold Scotch

    It's obviously not just the pacing that makes something like Heroes one of my favourite shows.<br><br>And yes, Lost was made to draw people in with an initially intriguing plot, so it should be an important factor despite focus on characters. I suppose it's just a matter of faith. But then, that would suggest it's also a case of "Hey, I only like this show because of where I thought it was giong, not because of the episode I'm watching and the ones I've seen." I regard last week's episode as a kick in the nuts (and an effective reminder) to all the people who don't enjoy the ride as it's happening.

  • March 5, 2007, 4:46 p.m. CST


    by Leopold Scotch

    When I say characterisation, I don't mean the past or the plot of the character in question, I mean the nature of the character being portrayed, what influences actions, and what contributes to connections to other characters etc. This is generally the purpose of the flashbacks, and since there's one every episode, I maintain that there's a strong focus on characterisation.

  • March 5, 2007, 4:48 p.m. CST

    Does Mr Muggles have Claire's ability ?

    by Toby___Wong

    He licked her blood in the first or second episode. I would assume he is invincible.

  • March 5, 2007, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Can I just say

    by Leopold Scotch

    I laughed for a long time at the ring tone during the first scene between HRG and his wife this week. I'd never heard that one before.

  • March 5, 2007, 5:02 p.m. CST

    doesn't the Haitian answer to God?

    by lynxpro

    I never got the sense that he answered to another human master. I thought that was pretty clear from the dialogue.

  • March 5, 2007, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Yeah, with Claire's Healing, Peter's Scar can only

    by Drath

    be caused by something MASSIVE like oh getting the top of his scull cut off. I'll bet if it gets put back together, he regenerates just as Claire did when her brain was punctured earlier in the season. This also justifies the "Save the Cheerleader, Save the World" line as others have said because it means that the point was not that she'd could not have regenerated but that Peter needed to absorb her ability (and Sylar's abilities as well). But if Sylar learns how to do what Peter does, that means they'll be kind of evenly matched (unless Sylar can only figure out how to borrow powers and not how to copy powers that Peter has copied--and that assumes he doesn't get close to the Heroes whose powers Peter has copied already too). Syler would be Peter's Jungian Shadow and arch nemesis--perfect for a Super Hero! I can hope. Trouble is, if Peter's head gets lopped off, how will it get put back together?

  • March 5, 2007, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Ok, so the supposed "lifting of the curse"

    by Leopold Scotch

    is meant to prove that there's no sufficient characterisation? What? I interpreted that as consistent with Hurley's character, who also built the golf course at the height of everyone's misery in Season 1. As for progression, are you suggesting that nobody has changed or developed since the plane crash? Lost has the advantage of allowing lots of characters (including the good guys and the bad guys) to connect, while Heroes keeps its characters isolated in tiny groups with very very brief contact with others. Thankfully it works for the show. But if you didn't think the scenes between Hurley, Jin and Sawyer were at least a little entertaining, or indicative of how far certain characters have come, then I don't really know what else to say.

  • March 5, 2007, 5:07 p.m. CST

    turn the Invisio text off...

    by lynxpro

    I loaded the page and it is in total clear view.

  • March 5, 2007, 5:13 p.m. CST


    by bigpth

    Bittorrents are your friend, and this episode is gonna kick your ass and call you girls names. JEEBUS!

  • March 5, 2007, 5:18 p.m. CST

    If only Lost was this revealing

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Awesome episode. It seems that much like a small town every knows everyone elses shit. <p>SPOILER <p> Could this be the source of Peters scar?

  • March 5, 2007, 5:18 p.m. CST

    I finally watched Heroes.

    by CorpseRide

    It was kinda second rate.

  • March 5, 2007, 5:28 p.m. CST

    How many watch Bleach or Naruto?

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Heroes has definitely become jaw dropping. The only show I can compare it is Bleach or Naruto. Not the pussy cut to shit american version but the Japanese. <p> Nothing on television gives me the shivering giddies like these three shows.

  • March 5, 2007, 5:45 p.m. CST

    Spidey scene in glorious QT tomorrow

    by mattmcd

    7pm Tues. at Yahoo! Movies:

  • March 5, 2007, 5:54 p.m. CST

    trying not to read too much

    by BadMrWonka

    all I know is that we find out something about peter's scar...god damn bittorents and canadians!! you didn't spoil studio 60, why you gotta do it here?<p>not to mention, the other TB has disappeared, and the search function is gone. I can go back in my history and find it, but that's a pain in the ass, and no one's gonna go there anyway,now that it's off the main page.<p>and on top of all that, Lost is a terrible television show...

  • March 5, 2007, 5:56 p.m. CST

    yeah, I asked the same thing Glick

    by samsquanch

    I can't imagine any other explanation. Maybe in his epic battle with Sylar he temporarily loses Claire's healing ability? Or burns it out?

  • March 5, 2007, 6:09 p.m. CST

    (SPOILERS) I don't understand how he shut off...

    by SantiagoAtez

    ...the IV. I thought he couldn't use his how was he able to shut of the IV using his telekinesis?

  • March 5, 2007, 6:21 p.m. CST

    last ep

    by redfishbluefish

    was pretty awesome. admittedly not as revealing as last week, but a nailbiter for certain. at least something happened. i don't need big reveals all the time, just please don't have hiro need to boost a vw van for a pick-me-up in his post nuclear new york......

  • March 5, 2007, 6:24 p.m. CST

    I guess limiting a mutant's powers with drugs

    by samsquanch

    isn't an exact science, Even for Suresh. It didn't work before, either, when he was being sedated in the paper factory underground. I have a feeling that Sylar can figure out how the sedative (or any method of controlling him) works, the same way he figures out how watches and powers work, and can thereby counteract its effects.

  • March 5, 2007, 6:30 p.m. CST

    i'm more puzzled by (spoilerish)

    by redfishbluefish

    how the hell he's managed to overcome the superhearing, when the woman he stole the power from said it took her ages to master it. the headaches from that alone should have interfered with his ability to do much of anything. yes, a bit at a time he worked that iv til it was off, but the headaches from the superhearing on top of the drugs should have done it. ahh, but then it wouldn't have been nearly so exciting and terrifying!

  • March 5, 2007, 6:51 p.m. CST

    Hiro's Appeal...

    by cripeman

    Hiro is the little geek we used to be. Innocent and hopeful for the possibilty that they matter enough to change the world. He's a true beleiver. The little geek inside us knows that if we would have held out a little longer...beleived just a little bit more we probably could have mattered, too. ...*sniff*... You go Hiro...*sniff*sniff*...You go show the world what we could've been. ***BLUBBER****

  • March 5, 2007, 7:10 p.m. CST

    Anyone die? Let me know with a SPOILER warning!

    by Bob Cryptonight

    I don't care about spoilers! I want info!

  • March 5, 2007, 7:22 p.m. CST

    If you don't like Heroes but do like Spidey;

    by vivavitalogy

    Spidey hits at 48:55 into show.

  • March 5, 2007, 7:37 p.m. CST


    by Onomaki Forp

    Mr. Muggles is HRG's Boss! Mr. Muggles is reincarnation of ancient Belgian Samurai Warrior who gained uber-powers from eating waffles. Tranporting through time he disguised himslf by using name "muggles" term derived from British fiction meaning "one with no powers" thus throwing everybody off the track. Deucedly clever these heathen pomeranians! Mr. Muggles is true power behind Linderman, Mama Petrelli, Uluru, and Killer BOB (oops last is Twin Peaks character...sorry)

  • March 5, 2007, 7:42 p.m. CST


    by Onomaki Forp

    scroll up. Look to your left. See top talkbacks? At bottom: "What's ahead for Heroes" Go there, avoid spoilage!

  • March 5, 2007, 7:49 p.m. CST

    I just posted two more times on the other thread.

    by Onomaki Forp

    Just to keep it above water so BadMrWonka can find it and avoid the Canadian spoilage. It is hard not to read these other posts...I have had a bit spoiled already. But I am distracting myself with "Deal or No Deal" and my own silly postings until the show comes on.

  • March 5, 2007, 7:58 p.m. CST

    Here we go...

    by Pennsy

  • March 5, 2007, 8:05 p.m. CST

    The Haitians boss speaks French!

    by Onomaki Forp

    Belgians? It's the waffles!

  • March 5, 2007, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Nathan working for the FBI???

    by Pennsy

  • March 5, 2007, 8:17 p.m. CST

    Sylar DOWN! Sylar DOWN!!!

    by Pennsy

    methinks Mohinder isn't as much a numnut after all.

  • March 5, 2007, 8:17 p.m. CST

    It's not a spoiler Lee's name is in the credits!

    by Onomaki Forp

    So Ando must be back...only spoiler for left coast. After Canadians who cares about them?

  • March 5, 2007, 8:19 p.m. CST

    Mohinder shows he has a brain after all.

    by Onomaki Forp

    Now he must keep Sylar's hands off of it. Or out of it. ew.

  • March 5, 2007, 8:19 p.m. CST

    That's more like it

    by Arashikage

    His stupidity was really starting to piss me off.

  • March 5, 2007, 8:23 p.m. CST

    ClaireBear PWNS The Haitian Sensation...

    by Pennsy

    Nice switch there, Hayden. :D

  • March 5, 2007, 8:26 p.m. CST

    The writers are fugging cock teases.

    by vivavitalogy

    Simone "alive". Mohinder actually figuring it out.

  • March 5, 2007, 8:27 p.m. CST

    Mohinder is the equivalent of every Bond villain.

    by vivavitalogy

    Talk talk talk. No real action.

  • March 5, 2007, 8:29 p.m. CST

    Until then, vivavitology...

    by Pennsy

    OUCH deluxe.

  • March 5, 2007, 8:29 p.m. CST

    mad scientist

    by Arashikage


  • March 5, 2007, 8:30 p.m. CST

    "and it's going to hurt"

    by Onomaki Forp

    Mohinder can be a right bastard when he's mad.

  • March 5, 2007, 8:32 p.m. CST

    about f'n time ...

    by Darth Valinorean

    ... Mohinder has balls!! And a brain to boot. But Vivavitalogy is right - he is a Bond villain!!

  • March 5, 2007, 8:33 p.m. CST

    I still stand by my statement.

    by vivavitalogy

    Was Sylar given a you-can't-use your-power-at-this-particular-moment elixer? Give me a fugging break. he was only strapped to a chair.

  • March 5, 2007, 8:35 p.m. CST

    Oh brother,

    by vivavitalogy

    and Gaffa!

  • March 5, 2007, 8:36 p.m. CST

    Ando, with the power of !AWESOME!

    by Pennsy

  • March 5, 2007, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Uh, oh...

    by Pennsy

    Jessica gonna frack up the wire stuff...

  • March 5, 2007, 8:37 p.m. CST

    Flick your fucking finger Sylar!

    by vivavitalogy

    That's all he has to do to take out Mohinder.

  • March 5, 2007, 8:39 p.m. CST


    by vivavitalogy

    This show belongs on the MyNetwork station.

  • March 5, 2007, 8:39 p.m. CST

    "sink my teeth in"

    by Onomaki Forp

    I keep tellin' ya'll he's eatin' them brains!

  • March 5, 2007, 8:39 p.m. CST

    From uh, oh to OH, SHIT!

    by Pennsy

    Mohinder just skied to the top of the 'who's gonna die in the next 20 minutes' pool...

  • March 5, 2007, 8:39 p.m. CST

    and Sylar is James Bond!!

    by Darth Valinorean

    ... as Mohinder kept talking, Bond escaped and is now goign to kick some ass. That said, that was brilliant ... and on cue .. the Casino Royale ad as well !! FITTING!!!!

  • March 5, 2007, 8:39 p.m. CST


    by bigpth

    The Princess Bride...

  • March 5, 2007, 8:40 p.m. CST

    I think I know who dies...

    by Arashikage

    I'm going with Mohinder. I know I know, I'm going out on a limb, but I just have this feeling.

  • March 5, 2007, 8:41 p.m. CST

    Sorry, but the New Captain Scarlet PWNS the Turtles...

    by Pennsy

    Animania HD is a pretty cool channel, and I've been floored by the quality of Gerry Anderson's reimagining of it.

  • March 5, 2007, 8:42 p.m. CST

    Viva is right ...

    by Darth Valinorean

    ... come on!! How do you waste time with Sylar talking like that.. when you don't even know the extent of his powers.. heck, Mohinder does not even know what Sylar can do!! And an IV is going to stop him...ooooh.. scary!! Fucking stupid!

  • March 5, 2007, 8:42 p.m. CST

    At 9:57PM?

    by Pennsy

    Just guessing.

  • March 5, 2007, 8:42 p.m. CST

    Stupid stupid mohinder...You

    by bigpth

    Stupid stupid mohinder...You fell for one of the classic bluders...MONOLOGUING when you should just kill the bastard. When you got to shoot, shoot. Don't talk. Name THAT movie p_b_b....

  • March 5, 2007, 8:45 p.m. CST

    Soemthing tells me HRG Guy isn't talking to his wife...

    by Pennsy


  • March 5, 2007, 8:46 p.m. CST


    by Pennsy


  • March 5, 2007, 8:48 p.m. CST

    OK, just 8 minutes off...

    by Pennsy

    on the Spidey cubed ad. Hoo, baby. And it's 7 1/2 minutes of new stuff.

  • March 5, 2007, 8:50 p.m. CST

    I new it was Miss Terio the moment the phone rang...

    by Onomaki Forp

    ... and it wasn't the doggy bark ringtone.

  • March 5, 2007, 8:52 p.m. CST

    So the Haitian does answer to Mama Petrelli.

    by Pennsy

    Our third WTF moment of the night.

  • March 5, 2007, 8:55 p.m. CST

    Peter's scar and the battle to keep his skull intact

    by nomihs

    Okay, Peter has Claire Bear's ability, so how can there be a scar? Regardless of how deep Sylar goes. Also, Peter is going to need help (invisible guy) if he is going to beat Sylar. Peter is not ready to go up against him alone. The episode on a whole was a great "tune in next time" cliffhanger of an ending. I agree, not as good as last weeks, but second best in this case in NOT the first loser.

  • March 5, 2007, 8:59 p.m. CST

    "Now you can't have any of my pot pie."

    by Pennsy

    Malcolm McDowell kicks ass.

  • March 5, 2007, 8:59 p.m. CST

    this show...

    by Arashikage

    is fucking amazing... nuff said

  • March 5, 2007, 9 p.m. CST

    The scar!!

    by Darth Valinorean

    THAT WAS A GREAT F'N EPISODE!! I doubt they kill Mohinder ... central non Hero thread to the story. And now we know the scar that Hiro talks about in the subway car. Sylar vs Petrelli.. game on!!!

  • March 5, 2007, 9:02 p.m. CST

    It was seeing the Spider 3 preview that...

    by Pennsy

    my spidey-sense figured Missy was in the room. And HAWT, she is.

  • March 5, 2007, 9:03 p.m. CST

    APRIL 23!?

    by Shermdawg


  • March 5, 2007, 9:04 p.m. CST

    APRIL 23rd

    by Arashikage

    Lame indeed

  • March 5, 2007, 9:05 p.m. CST

    Heroes PWNED 24 tonight...

    by Pennsy

    And in other news, the sun rises in the east and sets in the west. And you can quote me on that.

  • March 5, 2007, 9:05 p.m. CST

    Two questions:

    by kyle051554

    1. If Nikki/Jessica are poor, why do they have a PS3? And why are they playing "Heavenly Sword"? Did Linderman order her to steal a beta copy of it or something? 2. Peter has a healing ability because of his contact with Claire. Can't he use this to, you know, keep Sylar from going scuba diving into his gray matter?

  • March 5, 2007, 9:06 p.m. CST

    Third question:

    by kyle051554

    3. Is the show going on hiatus in Canada? Because if not, then I think that all the Bittorrent traffic come next Sunday will crash the Internet.

  • March 5, 2007, 9:07 p.m. CST


    by hatramroany

    who died?

  • March 5, 2007, 9:08 p.m. CST

    Sylar still has a power we don't know about yet.

    by Onomaki Forp

    He got TK from his first kill. Freeze powers from some guy he killed in Chicago. Wiki powers from Charlie. Meltly powers and superhearing from his last two victims. But what about James Walker? Little Molly's dad? Sylar already had his freeze powers before he took his brain, so Jimmy boy must have had some other as yet unknown ability. And now Sylar has it. Heh heh heh heh heh.

  • March 5, 2007, 9:09 p.m. CST


    by Steve_Dooku

    The Incredibles.

  • March 5, 2007, 9:10 p.m. CST

    Peter vs. Sylar

    by Atomica

    I can't Fucking WAIT for that fight!!!!!!!!!!!!! My god this show rocks!

  • March 5, 2007, 9:10 p.m. CST


    by David Lazarus Long

    I didn't see the grandmother aspect. I figured she knew more about Peter and Nathan being 'special' than she led on, but I never imagined she knew about Claire and was the one directing the Haitian. Fucking brilliant. Granny Petrelli... Now I see why they made Nathan the father. <p> So, I guess no Hiro on April 23rd? If this was 18 and they visit the 'Future World' in 20, I guess we'll have to wait even longer before we get back there. Nice effect with the buildings being rebuilt in the background... Definitely seems like about 5 years ahead. And how !AWESOME! was Ando tonight? And how freaking cool is it that Hiro can bring people with him hopping through time? Fuckin' A, this show is fantastic.

  • March 5, 2007, 9:14 p.m. CST


    by Onomaki Forp

    I thought Claire WAS the "New Captain Scarlet"?

  • March 5, 2007, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Another reason why the writing blows:

    by vivavitalogy

    Hiro has the sword nearly in his grasp and he stops from nabbing and disapearing the frak out of there just because some guy presses a button and says he is in trouble. WTF? Oh that's right, they have to bring Ando in somehow and the only way they could figure out how to it is with Ando being in the right place at the right time. How the frak did he get a job in Casino security that fast? C'mon. I want to like this show but...

  • March 5, 2007, 9:15 p.m. CST

    Yea, Isaac bites it

    by David Lazarus Long

    just like Hiro saw when he jumped to the future the first time. And I don't know what's going on with the "the death is on the 5th" and the "someone flies, someone dies" thing- My guess, the promo people saw her get shot and peter flying and said "wow, we can make a great tagline out of this!", whereas the Heroes people noted the official 'death scene' as being in this episode, since Simone's body was still there and she had that extra 5 seconds of screen time from Mystique. <p> But yea, Isaac is Fucked with a capital Sylar-slicing -your-head-off.

  • March 5, 2007, 9:15 p.m. CST

    For people here who are going to the Paley Event...

    by AngelCordy

    You make sure that every single member on that stage knows how amazing this show is, and how much the fans love them. Holy FUCK do I love this show...

  • March 5, 2007, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Even if...

    by SwiftCrusader

    OK, so if Peter gets his brain taken, wont it just regenerate? Claire got staked in the brain, died, and come back to life. Clearly the brain is not a source of power at least the regenerative part of Claire. Also, couldn't Peter just teleport Sylar into some period of time and then leave him?

  • March 5, 2007, 9:19 p.m. CST

    That was much better than last week.

    by Zarles

    I really don't understand why everyone was sucking each other's dicks over last week's episode. Last week's was little more than a solid hour of exposition, while this week's had action AND plot development falling out of its asshole. Mohinder finally grows a pair, Hiro and Ando back to their wacky adventures, a top-notch villain in Linderman... all good stuff. And yes, a lot of people still care about Lost. About 13 or 14 million of us, in fact, so cut the "my show can beat up your show" bullshit already, okay kids?

  • March 5, 2007, 9:17 p.m. CST

    Not Mystique she doesn't actually change shape...

    by Onomaki Forp

    ... I dubbed her Miss Terio after Spider-Man villain who created illusions.

  • March 5, 2007, 9:19 p.m. CST

    Speaking of Bond Villains...

    by Onomaki Forp

    ... doesn't Linderman kinda remind you of the version of Blofeld we saw in Diamonds are Forever?

  • March 5, 2007, 9:20 p.m. CST

    Claire and Scarlet could so kick Mysteron ass...

    by Pennsy

    Captain Black, you're toast.

  • March 5, 2007, 9:21 p.m. CST

    I still wish that Linderman...

    by Onomaki Forp

    ... had turned out to be Miss Sakamoto. Hopefully she will turn up again with her own special power...the ability to blind with science! (Because Aliens ate my Buick!)

  • March 5, 2007, 9:22 p.m. CST

    Sylar is the shit

    by lofe101

    what a bad ass villian. Mohinder is fucked. and by the way, i just realized how sweet Malcolm Mcdonald will be as Lomis

  • March 5, 2007, 9:22 p.m. CST


    by SwiftCrusader

    I thought it was established on this site that it was Radiation Dude not Issac that got his head chopped off. Once Sylar realizes what Peter's power is, he will kill Radiation Dude who for some reason is in Issac's apartment. Then, he will make Peter explode for some reason.

  • March 5, 2007, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Hey maybe Claire's real parents are...

    by Onomaki Forp

    Capt. Scarlet and Destiny Angel?

  • March 5, 2007, 9:26 p.m. CST

    LMAO, Onomaki, and Missy Peregrym...

    by Pennsy

    Lord have mercy... :o

  • March 5, 2007, 9:32 p.m. CST

    Isaac death (BIG SPOILER)

    by McGsStepson

    On the 10th Wonder podcast they isolated the frames from the episode where Hiro is in the future in Isaac's apartment and sees the body given the Sylar treatment. The guy had a beard and actually does not resemble Isaac. It is (SPOILER)... TED SPRAGUE. Check it out for yourselves.

  • March 5, 2007, 9:32 p.m. CST

    Congrats, Mr. Ahole.

    by Zarles

    You just lived up to your name. Go take your Ritalin, junior. Anyway, what's with the Mohinder sticking to the ceiling thing?

  • March 5, 2007, 9:31 p.m. CST


    by Pennsy

    *didn't yet rent Stick It*, hence the curiousness.

  • March 5, 2007, 9:33 p.m. CST

    sorry, but this show is an NBC movie-of-the-week

    by Sir Loin

    Remember SOMETHING IS OUT THERE? I didn't think so. It came after V and employed the same tactics at hooking viewers. Apparently, it works! At least for some.

  • March 5, 2007, 9:32 p.m. CST

    Mohinder lulled Sylar into a false sense of secutiry.

    by Pennsy

    OK, maybe not.

  • March 5, 2007, 9:34 p.m. CST

    Uh oh, your post, Zarles, is behind mine...

    by Pennsy

    And I replied to it. Sylar's fracking around with the AICN space-time continuum again. DAMN YOU MICHAEL BAY.

  • March 5, 2007, 9:34 p.m. CST

    Could granny Petrelli have some special power?

    by torpor_haze

    Now that we know that these powers are genetic, who knows who the first generation of Heroes were? This show is starting to be like Watchmen.

  • March 5, 2007, 9:36 p.m. CST

    Uhh, I think I spoketh too soon on Claire's ownage..

    by Pennsy

    Of the Windex Guy. :)

  • March 5, 2007, 9:37 p.m. CST

    The limits of Peter's powers...

    by Onomaki Forp

    ...unlike Sylar who actually has to kill and "process" a persons DNA to acquire their ability. Peter only needs to have met that person once...but what about his mysterious dreams? He's met several people in his dreams he's never seen in the flesh...can he access their powers as well? It may be that Peter has the potential to tap into ANYBODY'S ability at any time with or without having met them. Peter is the true "Patient Zero" the keystone ubermensch. It's going to be an awesome fight. I can imagine parts of it already...Peter turning invisible to escape Sylar...Sylar tracking him with super-hearing...

  • March 5, 2007, 9:39 p.m. CST

    Uh, not to be a killjoy here...

    by Pennsy

    But my 7.5 minutes of Spidey 3 that was supposed to be downloaded in 5 or 6 minutes is now in its 35th. ;)

  • March 5, 2007, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Great episode

    by Volstaff

    But now there's no reason to watch tv on Monday's for the next 6 weeks..And btw NBC, the Black Donnelly's is ass.

  • March 5, 2007, 9:45 p.m. CST

    I am happy...

    by AngelCordy

    that Claire is finally in NYC. I hope the Family Petrelli unites soon.

  • March 5, 2007, 9:46 p.m. CST

    Any show NBC puts after Heroes...

    by torpor_haze

    will fail. I personally have no interest watching anything after it. As a matter of fact that goes for all the networks. They can cancel TV, Mondays after 10pm.

  • March 5, 2007, 9:48 p.m. CST

    To call the Black Donnellys ass is to invite lawsuits

    by Pennsy

    by people who are actual asses for defamation of character. Gawddamn, this replaces Aaron Sorkin? For all S60's flaws, I'd still take that over this shite.

  • March 5, 2007, 9:53 p.m. CST

    If the Petrelli family is rife with powers...

    by Onomaki Forp

    ...what about Nathan's two sons?

  • March 5, 2007, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Peter has ALL Skylars abilities now.

    by Larry of Arabia

    Skylar touched Peter. The blast is the battle between the two. Peter has all the abilities Skylar has, plus the ones he got through contact with the heros Skylar hasn't met yet. If he regenerates before Skylar eats his brain, Sklyar is toast. One episode in Vegas. One in the future, where Hiro learns some key information, travels back to Peter, and then back to the time just before the blast. One battle between Peter, Skylar, and the other heroes in the area. One epilogue to set up next season, possibly the battle between the good and bad organizations. Oh, and if they decide to get rid of Hiro, Ando, Clair, Jack, or Peter in anything other than a blaze of glory I'm not watching any more. That would be like making Peter Parker Iron Man's bitch and forcing him to unmask, then go underground... Wait, they did WHAT?

  • March 5, 2007, 9:57 p.m. CST

    The only problem is...

    by Onomaki Forp

    ...Peter doesn't realise what all powers he has. And what is Sylar's mystery power? But of course Sylar is doomed because Peter has met Ando and thus he has access to the Power of !Awesome!

  • March 5, 2007, 9:59 p.m. CST

    Why The Hell Ask How Does It End?

    by Professor Krapp

    Because you never actually tell how it ends. You only give some dumb quote that reveals nothing, yet it's in "invisiotext." If you're gonna treat something like a true spoiler, then make it an actual spoiler! Stop being annoying. The Professor has laid down the law and it will be obeyed.

  • March 5, 2007, 10:01 p.m. CST

    I used to be a Professor once.

    by Onomaki Forp

    Now I am just forp.

  • March 5, 2007, 10:04 p.m. CST

    Peter Vs. Sylar

    by tile_mcgillus

    I slowed down the preview and saw that Peter throws Sylar acrossed the room and stops him midcut. So the fight is on. So if Sylar hasn't gotten into Peter's brain yet then this fight is over before it begins. Peter can suck Sylars powers and use his own. However, Sylar is more familiar with using his powers and could conceivably be better at these things. Experience could beat strength...Either way I am fucking pissed I have to wait 6 weeks. Fuck you television sweeps system.

  • March 5, 2007, 10:10 p.m. CST


    by Professor Krapp

    There is nothing wrong with just being forp. It is a totally legitimate state of being. Embrace your forpness. As for the Peter and Sylar encounter - do you think that Peter's regenerative ability would foil Sylar's attempt at cutting through his head? Wouldn't it just heal before he could finish?

  • March 5, 2007, 10:10 p.m. CST


    by lofe101

    Did anyone see or understaned Isaacs paintings?? i couldnt really tell what the hell they where.

  • March 5, 2007, 10:10 p.m. CST

    So, is Missy "Mystique" or "Princess Projectra"?

    by SpyGuy

    At first, I was thinking she's a shapeshifter, but then it seemed as though reality around her changes as well. And since she can't disguise her voice, I'm betting on illusion-casting powers just like Jeckie from old-school LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES.

  • March 5, 2007, 10:10 p.m. CST

    chris zatta's first time

    by vivavitalogy


  • March 5, 2007, 10:14 p.m. CST

    sick idea

    by Onomaki Forp

    Say that Sylar IS actually eating the brains to get the DNA...OK he starts to eat Peter's brain...but it regenerates...including the stuff that Sylar is trying to ingest...think John Carpenter's Thing here...Ewwww.

  • March 5, 2007, 10:17 p.m. CST

    She is an illusion caster...

    by Onomaki Forp Mastermind or Mysterio. That's why I dubbed her Miss Terio...or if you must, Missy Terio. Either way I call it on naming the new character this time!

  • March 5, 2007, 10:17 p.m. CST

    Onomaki Forp..

    by torpor_haze

    alas we remember its network TV.

  • March 5, 2007, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Anyone else pissed that HRG was caught that easily?

    by Boondock Devil

    You'd think he might suspect they'd try something like this on him after working with the shapeshifting chick but... eh. I doubt they'll be keeping him for long and then the ass-kicking shall start. Good times.

  • March 5, 2007, 10:21 p.m. CST

    no way they kill off HRG

    by just pillow talk

    Too much shit still needs to be done with the character. Now then, the smackdown between Petey and Sylar....very interesting. You just know Petey will win or least beat him back. <p> Suresh does not make a good ceiling fan. I agree...a big FU to sweeps. Dirty little billy bastards.

  • March 5, 2007, 10:24 p.m. CST

    "Claire, I'm your Grandmother"

    by zillabeast

    What a great moment. What a phenomenal hour.

  • March 5, 2007, 10:26 p.m. CST

    perhaps the Haitian wiped out some of his skilz

    by just pillow talk

    by mistake...went a little too deep. He'll figure a way out of the mess. Now with the shapeshifter/illusionist/reality changer chick...I wonder if she needs to just see the person she will impersonate, or does she need to touch them? Is HRG's wife okay?

  • March 5, 2007, 10:35 p.m. CST


    by Sulik2

    God I can't wait to see the Peter/Sylar fight. Both characters are individually overpowered for the show, but as long as one or the other is around you have your Superman/Doomsday pairing. <P> The Nikki/Jessica storyline is really starting to get old. Either do something with the characters and plot or just have them die in the nuke. <P> Hiro got his sword. Hip hip hooray!<p> I really didn't expect the Pitrelli mother twist that was interesting, I have a feeling we may end up learning their father didn't commit suicide he was killed by the Company. <P> Linderman is intriguing. Didn't really come off as evil the way I expected him to. I wonder if we will find out that he is actually competing with the company or something. <P> I really hope they don't kill HRG. But you knew he was gonna get tricked by the shapeshifter.

  • March 5, 2007, 10:40 p.m. CST

    SYLAR, not SKYlar, Larry of Arabia, you penis face

    by George Newman

    good grief man. And it wasn't even a one-time typo; you wrote it half a dozen times!!

  • March 5, 2007, 10:41 p.m. CST

    friggin amazing epiosde

    by BLWiseass

    god i love this show. I feel bad for people who dropped out after the terrible dialog in the first few eps

  • March 5, 2007, 10:44 p.m. CST

    I hope Hiro cuts off Sylar's head with that kitana

    by George Newman

    Just imagine, Peter and Sylar reach a stale mate--Hiro completely freezes time and slices through Sylar's neck--then unfreeze time and we wait for season 2.

  • March 5, 2007, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Another great episode!

    by chrth

    And let's give Ali Larter some kudos, she did a great job this week. Nice to know DL isn't clueless as well. <p> SIX FUCKING WEEKS. Thank God for March Madness.

  • March 5, 2007, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Just got back from's 71/2 minutes of Spidey 3

    by Onomaki Forp

    It's an extension of the scenes shown during the ep. Had some trouble getting it up at first, tried again amd it came in beautifully. After the extended Spidey Harry fight there's a rapid montage that contains I believe the first actual glimpsr of Venomn. Fortunately one can freeze frame and frame by frame to see this brief flash in detail. Harry's got a thread up for this clip I see...

  • March 5, 2007, 11:02 p.m. CST

    Ando's new power...

    by Onomaki Forp

    ... the power to look good in uniform.

  • March 5, 2007, 11:06 p.m. CST

    cookylamoo: no, it's the same power ...

    by chrth

    The Power of !AWESOME!

  • March 5, 2007, 11:10 p.m. CST

    I love this show and all but...

    by RedJester

    Where is the Rome talkback?! That show is really starting to get interesting...

  • March 5, 2007, 11:12 p.m. CST


    by Fernwick_

    Ok, I just gotta say that episode kicked massive ass. And who wouldnt want to see Peter vs Sylar. I hope Peter kicks the everlasting SHIT outa Sylar, but this about this people, and i want COMMENTS on this. If Sylar takes Peters brain, then TECHNICALLY he no longer has to KILL people to take thier powers, he just has to meet them. So really this is a battle between the villian who wants what Peter has, and Peter who cant control what he has. Talk about a fucking awesome concept! Kudo to the writers man, this show kicks massive ass :) Hamferno

  • March 5, 2007, 11:12 p.m. CST

    Ok, im a retard

    by Fernwick_

    I made myself the topic instead of Heroes... oops :)

  • March 5, 2007, 11:14 p.m. CST

    Aw hell

    by Fernwick_

    I shoulda made one big long comment, so does this mean that Sylar SHOULD take Peters brain, so he can stop killing? Would it be BETTER that he kill Peter? HMMMMMMMM!!!!

  • March 5, 2007, 11:16 p.m. CST

    mama petrelli....GILF?

    by dirkadirkadirka

    I say yes!

  • March 5, 2007, 11:17 p.m. CST


    by Boondock Devil

    I don't think it would matter if he killed Peter or not. Sylar's one sick puppy and it still probably wouldn't be enough for him to just acquire abilities; he wants to be the only one with powers so he'd have to kill others like him off.

  • March 5, 2007, 11:18 p.m. CST


    by s0nicdeathmonkey

    and I find that odd.

  • March 5, 2007, 11:19 p.m. CST

    Sylar seems to enjoy killing

    by RedJester

    Sylar seems to enjoy killing too much to stop now, even if he does get peters abilities. Even if he did stop though, he would go from being a serial killer to a living god (and not a good god at that, I'm talking about the fire and fury kinda god). and then we'd all be his slaves, yay :(

  • March 5, 2007, 11:20 p.m. CST

    I hope Sylar isn't killed off for the show

    by Boondock Devil

    Especially if they keep Peter around on the show. He's a good counterbalance as far as abilities go plus he's creepy as all hell. Wonderful foil.

  • March 5, 2007, 11:21 p.m. CST

    Fernwick, I agree with Boondock Devil...

    by Onomaki Forp

    ...remember what Sylar said about wanting to "sink my teeth in"? He would continue to take brains even if he didn't have too. In fact it's entirely possible that he ALREADY has the same power as Peter...taking the brains could just be his version of Hiro's sword...a psychic crutch for his power.

  • March 5, 2007, 11:23 p.m. CST


    by RedJester

    How much of a shocker would it be if Peter got killer off by Sylar and the chick who can morph was really the one that blows like a bomb!? Just a thought...

  • March 5, 2007, 11:23 p.m. CST


    by Onomaki Forp you mean that Nathan flys by "throwing himself at the ground, and missing"?

  • March 5, 2007, 11:29 p.m. CST

    Boon & Forp

    by Fernwick_

    Sounds like a good name for a Movie to me.... I think your right. Sylar just seems like a suck piece of crap. Damn, it actually pisses me off (I know its a TV show, but DAMN) when he STEALS someones power just to take it, I like the character but damn he doesnt just hurt people or break people he KILLS people, I hate that he killed that cute redhead, and that old lady, and the toaster guy, it just bugs me, they gotta think up heroes just for him to KILL... thats just fucked up man.... all these wasted characters... I just hope that somehow in the resolution that Hiro can somehow UNDO what he has done, by going back in time, or something. Damn...

  • March 5, 2007, 11:31 p.m. CST

    Did I just say...

    by Fernwick_

    suck piece of crap... I think im letting this piss me off a bit too much, now I SOUND retarded too....sheeesh

  • March 5, 2007, 11:34 p.m. CST

    What would Peter absorb from Niki/Jessica?

    by George Newman

    Would it be the bonding capability/split personality or just the super strength? Niki and jessica were separate minds when they were children, so at Jess's death, Niki exhibited something supernatural to take on her sister's psyche. So is this something Peter would do when he comes into contact with her? I wonder if he would have any control in selecting who he absorbs. The most interesting possibility would be absorbing Sylar for a split personality after their final conflict.

  • March 5, 2007, 11:39 p.m. CST

    Put the DVDs Out Now!

    by emvan

    April 23? April 23? What am I gonna do until then? Well, how about watching everything over again? <br> This might have worked better with 4 or even 3 eps left instead of 5 -- but sell us a box set NOW with blank spots for two more disks. And then sell us those later in throw-away packaging.<br> Of course, this is totally impossible if they haven't already started on it --- but maybe somebody there is this smart . . .

  • March 5, 2007, 11:39 p.m. CST

    Ando to the rescue!

    by Billyeveryteen

    God, I love this shitty show.

  • March 5, 2007, 11:52 p.m. CST

    Sylar must live!


    Sylar has to live to remain as the #1 badass super villain on the planet. I cannot wait til April 23rd. Maybe with Peter receiving his new 'do from Sylar he won't remind me of Little Nicky so much. Who is the next to be 'Sylarized'?

  • March 5, 2007, 11:56 p.m. CST

    Sylar will live on as Peter's niki/jess split personali

    by George Newman


  • March 6, 2007, 12:02 a.m. CST

    Brunette Claire?

    by TotallyGayForChristianBale

    was that Claire as a brunette in next month's preview? she looks hot as hell.

  • March 6, 2007, 12:09 a.m. CST

    Problem with Heroes:

    by HappyHamster

    I don't know. I love this show, I really do. But this show never really and truly approaches greatness and I think it's partly the actors' faults (none of them are very good) and partly due to the plots (merely interesting, but not great).<p> It's wierd to be in a position endorsing a show and enjoying it, but I have to be honest - this is not a great show. It simply doesn't compare to truly great shows - Lost back in its prime (season 1), 24 at it's peak, Sopranos, The Shield, etc. It NEVER approaches the territory of those shows at their peaks.

  • March 6, 2007, 12:14 a.m. CST

    ok holy have to read this..

    by jarodvhale

    so I saw it again...cause on Monday's we get the NBC feed and the preview to the next ep... so I recorded it on my PVR... (btw..peter's hair falling to the ground...still cool as hell...) so because I am a genius..or a major loser..take your pick...I watch the trailer frame by frame...and there is a part where Suresh is still on the roof...peter is still up on the wall...and sylar is being thrown around like a little bitch...and the look on peter's face is outstanding...he is kicking his ass...and was only a second or two..but when you slow it down...holy see Nathan in the White House with Claire as a brunette...which actually looks not hot cause she has these big bushy eyebrows....and then there was thing with Hiro, running through maybe Suresh's apartment..maybe the painter dude...would be so much cooler if it was Suresh...bit the Peter kicking ass looks like the show is really gonna give us the fight we are looking..or at least a glimpse of one...which is refreshing for a change...

  • March 6, 2007, 12:15 a.m. CST nickname..

    by jarodvhale

    ando the invincble!

  • March 6, 2007, 12:19 a.m. CST


    by INWOsuxRED

    You assume Heroes is at its peak.

  • March 6, 2007, 12:22 a.m. CST


    by INWOsuxRED

    are you sure that Doctor Who isn't kicking Sylar's ass?

  • March 6, 2007, 12:25 a.m. CST


    by Professor Krapp

    NONE of the actors are very good? I find it hard to believe that all the actors are failing, so perhaps it is you. Whatever it is you're looking for, maybe it's not in this show, and I don't think it's a matter of every actor being bad. Some of these people are quite good at acting. I wouldn't call the show great, but I find it very entertaining and fun. But I had no real expectations for it, and just let it unfold. Call it Zen TV Watching. Of course, I could be full of crap; I could be a great big corn-studded turd and not even know it. The Professor will shut up now.

  • March 6, 2007, 12:25 a.m. CST


    by Napoleon Park

    Leave the Skylar guy alone. I love reading AICN talkbacks where people comment on shows and don't even know the characters names. "Skylar" is the new "Mr. Echo" *** Was anyone else expecting Sylar to melt Mohinders gun once he touched it to his forehead? *** Long range prediction, so jot this down. Sylar slices the top of Peter's head off and peels it off complete with scalp, hair and clinging brain matter. Peter regenerates. But slowly, gradually, in a forgotten corner of the Heroes universe, the skulltop also regenerates a new Peter Petrelli. Maybe a mildly retarded one, or a Bizarro Peter. This will be the Heroes-verse's "Spidey-clone Saga". Look for it in season six, episode 14. I called it. *** I had no luck with, but I'll try again later.

  • March 6, 2007, 12:34 a.m. CST


    by INWOsuxRED

    Nikki/Jessica were poor until their son became an ATM machine. She also is probably getting paid to tear people in half.

  • March 6, 2007, 12:42 a.m. CST

    Acting is subjective.......

    by Jimmy Jazz

    One person's great thespian is another's hack. Personally, I think that this is the best ensemble outside of Battlestar. Even the teenybopper cheerleader (a character type not known for inspiring great performances) is quite effective. THe only actors in the lot that truly annoy me are the amateurish brat that plays Micah and that broad that plays Matt's bitch of a wife. Although, to be fair, she may just be doing TOO good of a job playing the bitch.

  • March 6, 2007, 12:49 a.m. CST

    Only 14 year olds think this show is "great"

    by Rupee88

    C' many plot holes in every episode. Well, I still find it marginally entertaining so I keep watching.

  • March 6, 2007, 12:52 a.m. CST


    by Rupee88

    it's called product placement, retard.

  • March 6, 2007, 12:55 a.m. CST

    So, Rupee88

    by Professor Krapp

    What do YOU think is great? Just so we have a comparison here. You better not say Star Wars, because only 10 year olds think that is great.

  • March 6, 2007, 1:12 a.m. CST

    Micah's parents both have powers; Claire's, too...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    So, logically, does this mean that Peter and Nathan's mother has a power? And Hiro's father (George Takei)?

  • March 6, 2007, 1:17 a.m. CST


    by Rupee88

    Thank you for making my point...these dumb moments are in every episode, usually two or three in number.

  • March 6, 2007, 1:33 a.m. CST

    Prof. Pop-Cult

    by Boondock Devil

    Unless Daddy Takei isn't Hiro's biological father. He could have just done the same thing he did to Bennett when he made him take care of Claire. On the flip side if he really is Hiro's father wouldn't that also mean that Hiro's sister would have some sort of ability too?

  • March 6, 2007, 1:41 a.m. CST

    To The Heroes naysayers ...

    by Matchstk

    To those who continually fill the Heroes talk backs with back-handed comments, disparaging the quality of the show ... You just don't want to admit you love it. You feel you'd be a "geek" if you did. You're still waiting for Lost to get its story together. (Man, Heroes keeps pushing its story along by leaps and bounds and Lost just keeps ... muddling along ... aimlessly.) Anyway, the acting is excellent. The Ali Larter storyline is fantastic (the inevitable confrontation between Niki and Jessica might be taking too long - give Niki time to figure out how much power she has - that's right, it was you who broke that guard's stick in half) Tonight's episode - Holy crap. Peter/Sylar. That's going to be one hell of a fight. Probably a stalemate and an escape by Sylar. (What if Peter let's him kill Issac?) HRG. If they were going to kill him, they'd have shown it tonight. Why cliffhang it? His story really didn't go where I expected (chasing Claire without knowing he'd helped or loved her) and getting caught so soon, time for HRG to suffer a bit. Micah and DL obviously know what Jessica is up to. Micah always knew who was who, even over the phone with just a voice to judge. And DL's look after he turns away. Grandma Petrelli. Great twist, especially because it makes so much sense. So much plot advancement and excellent character work. Heroes is the best thing going. The haters just don't want to admit they love it. heh.

  • March 6, 2007, 1:54 a.m. CST


    by pemdasi

    Peter doesn't learn how to stop himself from blowing up, dies. Saving the cheerleader allowed him to absorb her regenerating ability in order to kick Sylar's ass. That way Sylar does not get the radiation power and destroy the entire world in the process. This way, only New York, Peter, Nathan, Claude, and a few others bite the bullet. This makes way for a lot of new charachters in season 2.

  • March 6, 2007, 2:41 a.m. CST

    great episode...heroes>lost

    by BadMrWonka

    but man, so many questions...I'm currently watching the entirety of all 6 sopranos seasons in a row, 3 or 4 a day. that would be a fun way to watch this show. but now that I've started, there's no way I can stop now. but at the end of every episode, I just want MORE!!<p>and I submit that prefering Lost to Heroes is like prefering crack to a nice red wine...even if the initial crack rush was fun, you can enjoy red wine for years. after a year of crack, you're a burnt out stuttering moron...hence, the Lost talkbackers...

  • March 6, 2007, 3:30 a.m. CST

    Different Kinds of Greatness

    by emvan

    Indeed, in terms of characterization and acting and fidelity to actual human reality, this show is not in the same class as Buffy, The Sopranos, Wonderfalls, Dexter, Weeds, BSG, or probably a score of other shows. Just like the Claremont / Byrne X-Men or Frank Miller's Daredevil weren't in the same class as Ursula K. Le Guin or John Crowley or Gene Wolfe. Didn't stop me from loving them all.<p> Heroes is in fact the best comic book in TV history, maybe by a mile. It's got a hugely complicated plot moving forwards at reckless speed (and not without the occasional stretch or hole that this type of plotting almost inevitably leads to), and even five eps from the end of its first season it has already featured more untelegraphed cool-as-crap plot twists than most of the aforementioned shows put together. So stop bitching that Ali Larter isn't Edie Falco and enjoy the ride!

  • March 6, 2007, 4:08 a.m. CST

    Who cares...


    ...about plot holes when a show continually entertains at such a high level. Like your favorite comic books never had a plot hole, or your favorite TV shows or movies had glaring unforgivable mistakes, or moved along at such a slow pace as to alienate some of its' core audiences. Haters hate and that is all they know how to do.

  • March 6, 2007, 4:41 a.m. CST

    Where can I get the Mr. Muggles ringtone?

    by The Selecter

    And a brunette Claire in the teaser...hmmm. Pot pie is yummy, too. I liked Company Man more, but this one was still very good, with lots of reveals. Malcolm McDowell is looking a little more crinkley now, but gave a nicely restrained performance. JessNiki was also given something worthwhile to do!? So what's the nickname for the new hottie chick who now fills PixieChick's shoes?

  • March 6, 2007, 7:02 a.m. CST

    So Claire can't remember Zach now?

    by Drath

    Maybe the Haitian whiped her memory--but stupidly left memories of Peter wonder the actor went off for that Sarah Connor series, the way they forget and remember him it was only a matter of time before he got Simoned off the show. Of course they mostly kill off women on this show, which is very annoying, but he was kind of androgynous so he's probably better safe than sorry. It's about time we saw Mrs. Pettrelli again though, seems like a lot of the tertiary characters from earlier in the season have been forgotten or killed off. ________________I'm guessing Mohinder won't die. I know Peter won't but Mohinder looked like he was in deep shit even if Peter takes out Sylar. Isaac was probably painting Peter as that's who he's obsessed with, but the farther the show goes the more I don't mind if Hiro's vision of his death comes true--particularly since Peter or Sylar can take his powers.

  • March 6, 2007, 7:05 a.m. CST


    by Onomaki Forp

    ...I have named her Missy Terio, after the Speder-Man villain with similar "powers" and the actress' own name.

  • March 6, 2007, 7:07 a.m. CST

    To those who complained about Micah playing...

    by Onomaki Forp

    ...the unreleased game. Remember his powers. He stole the game through the Internet with them. When will Micah and Hanna have the inevitable cyberspace battle?

  • March 6, 2007, 7:09 a.m. CST


    by Onomaki Forp


  • March 6, 2007, 7:34 a.m. CST

    Ando's power

    by JacenSolo

    Ando's power is not quite awesome, that belongs to NPH's Barney on How I Met Your Mother...mentioned after the gun backfired, but gonna say it again Ando's power is luck or as stated above changing of probability as seen in X-Men with Longshot...and on a side note this whole sending in your theories to the show makes me think they're just gonna rip off ideas...

  • March 6, 2007, 7:36 a.m. CST

    Best part of the show last night..

    by Ironmuskrat

    Sylar doing Peter and the world a favor by cutting off that silly lick of hair that was always hanging in the way of Peters eyes. Nice nod from the creators of the show to people who complained about Peter's silly hairdo by having the last shot of the episode be that hated piece of hair floating down to the floor as Peter screams.

  • March 6, 2007, 7:55 a.m. CST

    Alex DeLarge and CRM-114.

    by drchristopherlee

    Did anyone else notice this nod to Kubrick? The sword Hiro stole was listed under call number CRM-114 on Linderman's database. Check it out. Kinda cool since Linderman is ALex DeLarge.

  • March 6, 2007, 8:40 a.m. CST

    is this possibly the best first season of any show ever

    by Amy Chasing

    Perhaps. I'd have to go back and watch it again. Dexter was _very_ good but only 12 eps long. Star Trek (all series), Babylon 5, X-Files, Buffy, BSG, SG1 - all, I think, not as consistent as Heroes. <P> I am amazed how good this show is already. It could become great over the next couple years. Let's hope so, because it's a long way down if it falls in quality now. <P> Also, I think this cliffhanger might just be one of the best I've seen since Picard became a Borg & Riker saying "Mr Worf, fire." (although not as funny as the Voyager cliffhanger where Janeway was about to be attacked by a flying alien - and we were going for the alien :)

  • March 6, 2007, 8:52 a.m. CST

    Did anyone even notice

    by raiden23

    Hiros sword was in bin CRM-114? That was a reference - watch Dr. Strangelove again.

  • March 6, 2007, 8:53 a.m. CST

    oh i see now

    by raiden23

    "drchristpherlee" already mentioned it. Good eye bud. I thought I was the only one to notice it.

  • March 6, 2007, 9:01 a.m. CST

    What exactly is Sylar's "clock power"?

    by warp11

    What exactly is Sylar's "clock power". I know he used to repair clocks, then daddy Suresh found him - but was hit ability just to see how things work? <p> Therefore whenever he takes off someone skull with telekinisis, he is opening them like a watch to see how they work?

  • March 6, 2007, 9:02 a.m. CST

    So Peter will now have the ability to cut open skulls?

    by warp11

    Maybe he is the one who kills Issac or spoiler, the geico caveman in the future.

  • March 6, 2007, 9:03 a.m. CST

    anyone hear the rumor about a totally new cast?

    by warp11

    I read somewhere that they will have a totally new cast the second season. Any truth to that?

  • March 6, 2007, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Favorite moment...

    by SPECTRE Agent

    was Hiro explaining how Nathan was the cliched harddass who in fact secretly "cares too much." The look on Pasdar's face was priceless! And while I can accept Linderman seemingly knowing everything (the guy is like the most powerful crimelord since Keyzer Soze) I call shenanigans on Ms. Petrelli knowing the Hatain. WTF?! I'll be wanting a more satisfactory answer than usual for that one!

  • March 6, 2007, 9:17 a.m. CST

    Body jumpers next season?

    by EvilWizardGlick

    This season seems to be blowing the abilities wad. What does that leave for the future? <p> Body jumpers! How do you top Sylar as the Big Bad " Special" (notice Jack used the term to describe the "heroes" I think for the first time), with body jumpers. Absolutely nothing tops a body jumper for sheer suspense. <p> Any guesses when we will see them? Other than Nikkica.

  • March 6, 2007, 9:21 a.m. CST

    What I learned fromlast night's Heroes...

    by Mr Incredible that Mohinder is a dumb ass for not killing Sylar on the spot; that HRG is gullible as hell; and that Peter will probably kick Sylar's ass in the end. Oh, and by the way..don't submit your theories to the Heroes website. They can write their own damn show without having the fans fill in the blanks.

  • March 6, 2007, 9:23 a.m. CST

    "I call shenanigans on Ms. Petrelli"

    by chrth

    I don't; it makes perfect sense to me. The Petrellis seem to be a powerful family (almost like the Kennedys, they even have the same corrupt backing), and I'm sure Grandma keeps a tab on *everything*. I'm sure she learned about Claire, found about what HRG does, and co-opted the Haitian to help her rescue Claire from the company.

  • March 6, 2007, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Peter already HAD Sylars powers except

    by EvilWizardGlick

    Peter already had any power Sylar had except melting and superhearing. I suspect that was where the Sonic blast power came from. <p> Plus he has Parkmans mind listening ability.

  • March 6, 2007, 9:27 a.m. CST


    by Fount of Useless Info

    Since I didn't see anyone else giving you the correct answer, that quote was from The Good, The Bad and The Ugly. Tuco (Eli Wallach) says it when some guy is going to shoot him while he's in the tub, but keeps blabbing, giving Wallach enough time to kill him instead.

  • March 6, 2007, 9:46 a.m. CST

    About the Sylar / Mohinder scene ...

    by Itchy

    pretty cool ... but having just watched Austin Powers this weekend on cable, I couldn't help but be reminded of the scene with Scott Evil screaming at his dad "I've got a gun in my room. I'll go get it right NOW, and we can shoot him in the head. Together." Why won't these idiots just take Sylar out already ? The Sylar / Peter show down has the potential to be epic.

  • March 6, 2007, 10:05 a.m. CST

    Move Heroes to HBO....

    by tanks1

    How cool would this show be on HBO?

  • March 6, 2007, 10:19 a.m. CST

    new cast

    by Zeframillen

    i think the whole "new season, new cast" thing is a great idea, especially if they tie them together with "the company" and linderman. i assume, of course there will be cameos from the previous season's cast... i agree that they're scratching the bottom of the barrel when it comes to powers... can anyone even think of anymore cool powers? perhaps each season will be centered around someone who can absorb other heroes abilities?

  • March 6, 2007, 10:23 a.m. CST

    If you don't like Heroes by now then...

    by workshed

    ...what is the point in watching..? You've had eighteen episodes so by now you should have learned the response of switching off your television - it really is that simple. How viewers stick with Lost is beyond me - where are the money shots that Heroes is delivering week after week..? Heroes is the best damn show to come out of the US since Hill Street Blues. Watch the viewing figures for the final episode of Season One - I bet they go through the roof.

  • March 6, 2007, 10:33 a.m. CST

    Ok episode

    by PwnedByStallone

    Fairly entertaining. I still can't get over the teenybopper feel of show. I like this show but Lost feels a little more adult to me. Probably because it has adults in it and requires greater thought than the average talkbacker on this page that can only muster "Let's get ready to rumble." as a response to the episode. Dumb.

  • March 6, 2007, 10:35 a.m. CST

    Oh and workshed...

    by PwnedByStallone

    Did you honestly compare Heroes to Hill Street? That odor you smell is from your head being planted in your ass.

  • March 6, 2007, 10:40 a.m. CST

    so then no one can like a show

    by just pillow talk

    that you don't approve of PwnedByStallone? Is 24 an adult enough show for you since it ignores all logic? Come on need to take potshots at everyone for no reason just because you do not like Heroes as much as others.

  • March 6, 2007, 10:48 a.m. CST


    by PwnedByStallone

    Maybe I took a potshot with the rumble comment (it was a joke) but I never said no one can like it. Don't put words in my mouth. In fact I said I liked it. Asshole.

  • March 6, 2007, 10:50 a.m. CST

    fer serious?

    by maxwell's hammer

    Did someone just compare Heroes to Hillstreet Blues? Gah.

  • March 6, 2007, 11:04 a.m. CST

    pillow talk

    by maxwell's hammer

    I don't think calling "Heroes" less adult than "Lost" is really an insult. Whereas "Lost" is essentially a character drama (albiet less so this season), both "24" and "Heroes" are just fluffy, action, 'money-shot' oriented fare. Calling them 'teeny-bopper' probably isn't quite accurate, but they're a lot more about the KEWL factor, which really is a little bit less adult.

  • March 6, 2007, 11:12 a.m. CST

    Other powers to explore

    by jmyoung666

    Straight invulnerability/force field (I'm thinking other than teke or healing), Stretching, General shapechanging, Other physical transformation (into a variety of creatures/materials - Colossus, Beast Boy, etc.), Transmutation of solid objects (more than just melting), Shrinking, Growth, breathing underwater/gills straight superspeed (as opposed to the warpsmith ability of Hiro) Other variety of Bioenergy generators/perhaps a solar powered hero), Absorbing man type powers, The ability to create multiple bodies, telescopic vision, x-ray vision, microscopic vision, The ability to increase body density (opposite of phasing guy) Gravity manipulation, electricity manipulation, Magnetic abilities, Supersmell, control plant life, Bored at work, back to work now.

  • March 6, 2007, 11:15 a.m. CST


    by PwnedByStallone

    my user id is an ironic reference to Rocky Balboa tb'ers who said i had been "pwned" by Sly. What's your name mean?

  • March 6, 2007, 11:15 a.m. CST

    "You look different without your scar."

    by Capt. Murphy

    Guess we know what Hiro meant in the subway train now, cause that's gonna leave one...

  • March 6, 2007, 11:17 a.m. CST

    Sylar understands the world at a "mechanical" level

    by jmyoung666

    He gets the mechanics but fails to grasp the meaning the whole predator/prey thing is his justification for his behavior which is not predicated on his survival needs. He is engaging in an entirely human endeavor and attempting to equate it with nature, which does not hold.

  • March 6, 2007, 11:19 a.m. CST

    Capt. Murphy

    by PwnedByStallone

    Why? Can't Peter regenerate? Have I missed something?

  • March 6, 2007, 11:49 a.m. CST


    by jarodvhale

    that's a great point..I never thought of Doctor Who...however, you should have seen the look on his he was controlling everyting...and sylar was flying around..not being thrown around...and my guess is that Sylar would just freeze the good doctor....I think this is peter v sylar..plain and's an interesting premise though...

  • March 6, 2007, 11:51 a.m. CST

    Select text, Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V

    by chrth

    Scars are part of the healing process, not the injury process. If a wound is left open, it'll never scar because it'll never heal. It's more than feasible that if Peter is lazy about his healing (just heals enough to close the wound, not to heal it) that a scar will form naturally.

  • March 6, 2007, 11:57 a.m. CST

    The scar

    by Steve_Dooku

    Most likely a plot hole, BUT the issue of time-travel probably fouled it up. If Hiro had not met Peter in the subway, he would not have saved the cheerleader (nor the world?) but he still would have battled Sylar and lived? Hiro meets Peter, post scar, and goes back in time to close the loop?

  • March 6, 2007, 12:07 p.m. CST

    cookylamoo: Ah, but not all relationships in nature

    by chrth

    are competitive. Some are parasitic, and some are complementary (complimentary?). Competition only really results when environment change causes resource shortage. Lions eat the Antelopes, but it's not like the Antelopes are in danger of extinction from the Lions.

  • March 6, 2007, 12:19 p.m. CST

    maxwell's hammer

    by just pillow talk

    While I do agree with your assessment of more action-oriented, it seemed like Pwned was taking shots at the show and tb's who liked the show. I may have been mistaken, but I did not call you any such name Pwned. Dickhead.<p>I tend to agree with the scar serving as a reminder, or at least I think that works better in this case to explain why he would still have it.

  • March 6, 2007, 12:23 p.m. CST

    Peter actually looks like a beat up Rocky

    by jimbojones123

    The shot of him on the wall getting head sliced was cool. He had the crooked mouth thing that Sly has going. Great Easter Egg.

  • March 6, 2007, 12:27 p.m. CST

    i think peter will beat sylar and eat his brain

    by JeanLuc Dickhard

    just a thought, i bet sylar wont even be around for the season finale

  • March 6, 2007, 12:28 p.m. CST

    CRM-114 & other Sci-Fi ties

    by Chriss

    Whoever noticed it, good catch if it's there. CRM-114 is a commonality between Kubrik films & McDowell was in in Clockwork Orange. A nice tie to that little bit of Sci-Fi. I love how the show makes so many winks to great sci-fi fantasy of the past. Star Trek, Dr. Who, X-Men, etc.

  • March 6, 2007, 1:05 p.m. CST

    There's two types of competition, though

    by chrth

    There's what I would term 'typical' competition, i.e., two predators both trying to get at the same juicy piece of meat, and then there's 'survival' competition. Sylar (and many who misunderstand evolution) think that nature is engaged in 'survival' competition. It's not; many environments are pretty status quo in terms of the number and variety of species that can prosper in the environment. It's only when something changes (introduction of a predator, decimation of the lower levels of the food chain, disease, ice age, etc) that the groups move into 'survival' competition and that 'survival of the fittest' actually comes into play. Most of the time that's not the case.

  • March 6, 2007, 1:22 p.m. CST

    Mohinder's Screwup

    by emvan

    Was reasonably believable relative to the typical failure-to-execute scene. He needed to do things to Sylar: kill him, and perform a spinal tap. He opted to do the spinal tap first for the simple reason that he wanted to cause Sylar pain. And he got overconfident about the ability to then kill him. Much more believable that than the cliche, where instead of executing the opponent, the guy holding the gun explains how clever he's been. Wanting to torture your rival before you kill him is a much more powerful motivation than wanting to impress and frustrate him by explaining how you tricked him.

  • March 6, 2007, 1:24 p.m. CST

    Mohinder was just thinking about what Sylar did

    by just pillow talk

    to his dad. His emotion got the best of him. Plus he always wanted to know what it felt like to be stuck up on the ceiling.

  • March 6, 2007, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Well, Mohinder is Hindu

    by chrth

    I'm sure he was supposed to come back as a ceiling fan in his next life

  • March 6, 2007, 1:35 p.m. CST

    actually, he preferred to be a tea kettle

    by just pillow talk

    he sure likes his tea...especially with a little extra something-something in it. Gotta work on the follow-through...

  • March 6, 2007, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Here's what I don't understand about Missy Terio

    by chrth

    PixieChick was an uber-bitch before the company found her and put her to work, yet she got better (and credits the company for helping her do so). So why is Missy still an uber-bitch? Has she not been with the company long enough? Is the company's effect on people different based on who you're teamed with? Was it the writers just didn't want to have an Eden clone?

  • March 6, 2007, 1:59 p.m. CST

    So how did Sylar

    by PwnedByStallone

    turn off the drip if his brain was paralyzed? Anyone?

  • March 6, 2007, 2:09 p.m. CST

    Sylar has done this before

    by Ironmuskrat

    Sylar has played possum before in order to escape form a bad situation. Remember back at Primatech paper he was able to play dead in order to escape. Mohinder just had no idea just how dangerous Sylar was and got caught with his pants down.

  • March 6, 2007, 2:12 p.m. CST

    Mohinder asked for sharks with frikken laser beams!

    by biggles2_22

    He shoulda left the monologing to the experts. Star80(tm) woulda shot first and asked questions later. BTW I'm a left feeling a little emptiness with no Studio 60 TB! God I miss that show!

  • March 6, 2007, 2:16 p.m. CST

    Great episode

    by ororo_munroe

    I wonder if Mr. Petrelli Sr. was part of the company or part of another organization that works against the company. This could explain why his wife would know so much. As for the newest chick I hate her and want Jessica to rip her into tiny little pieces. Ali's acting is so much better when she is playing the villain or tough guy.

  • March 6, 2007, 2:32 p.m. CST

    Ali is definitely better as the 'bad' girl

    by just pillow talk

    Now is Mama Petrelli part of an 'underground' resistance against the Company? Or is she strictly concerned with just Claire?

  • March 6, 2007, 2:36 p.m. CST

    enough with the "pot pie"

    by Onomaki Forp

    the man said "pork pie". Chrth you watch this thing with captions on if I remember I right?

  • March 6, 2007, 2:38 p.m. CST

    Yes, I watched with captions. And he said

    by chrth

    "Pot pie". Sorry.

  • March 6, 2007, 2:40 p.m. CST


    by jtishere

    Anyone besides myself struck at the similarities between Grandmother Petrelli and Mrs. Bennett, Claire's adoptive mother? Both seem to exude a northeastern, upper class demeanor that, for Mrs. Bennett, seems to indicate that she's not a native Texan. If I recall, the Grandmother also had a small dog during the brunch with the wheelchair-bound wife. Maybe Clair's Mom is her biological aunt?

  • March 6, 2007, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Damn! I was sure it was pork...

    by Onomaki Forp

    Oh well...must of been Malcolm's putting on the American accent that threw me. I stand humbly corrected...I must now regain my fragile acamedician's ego by pedantically defining something...

  • March 6, 2007, 2:58 p.m. CST

    PwndByStallone...anchorite never got back to you...

    by Onomaki Forp I shall tell you what the name means (and thus save face about the whole pork/pot thing). An anchorite is basically a holy hermit. One who withdrawls from the world for spiritual reasons. The first time I came across this word it was in reference to the Blessed Julian of Norwich who was the first woman to get a book published in the English language. She is probably my favorite saint...except she has never been given that last rank of full-sainthood by the church. She probably never will because she preached that hell was basically purgatory and that God intended everyone to eventually reach Salvation. "All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall be well" was her motto. And she really liked cats. It was because of my associating the word "anchorite" with Julian that I wrongly assumed that the talkbacker anchorite was a woman. BringingSexyBack corrected me on this matter, and for once he was right. anchorite himself pointed out to me that the term does not need to exclusively refer to a Catholic, or even a Christian. spiritual asceticism exists in virtually all religious traditions.

  • March 6, 2007, 3 p.m. CST

    The new Hero Chick... anyone else not like her...

    by Russman

    what a bitch.

  • March 6, 2007, 3:01 p.m. CST

    "and for once he was right"

    by chrth

    Very well played. Nice and subtle (no offense, BSB)

  • March 6, 2007, 3:07 p.m. CST


    by SpikeTBB

    I hope they don't kill him off. I love having him on the show and find myself rooting for him a lot. I know he can't be allowed to win, and will have defeats and set backs and get his butt kicked from time to time. But just keep him going, please. He give the show an edge it really needs. The angst and the chess-game plot elements and the characterization are all important parts of making this show the effective blend of elements that it is. But Sylar keeps it from getting bogged down in those things, just as Claire and Peter keep the shows human relationships real. LONG LIVE SYLAR! Keep sinking those teeth in.

  • March 6, 2007, 3:10 p.m. CST

    Russman: I don't think we're supposed to like her

    by chrth

    But she's SO DAMNED HOT

  • March 6, 2007, 3:11 p.m. CST

    wow, you really are a professor!

    by samsquanch

    Also, Ali Larter looked really good this week.

  • March 6, 2007, 3:28 p.m. CST

    Another thing about Sylvar /Peter Scene

    by Itchy

    The tuning fork was an awesome touch. Foreshadowing ? As for Mama Petrelli, given that "powers" run strong in Petrelli land, it's reasonable to assume she has some power. She's probably in charge of HRG's little gruop. In any event, it's clear that the minute she found out about Claire, she stuck Haitian guy on her to watch over her.

  • March 6, 2007, 3:42 p.m. CST

    You guys still love me, right?

    by chrth

    Darth Cuddles -- whoever that is -- thinks I'm worthy of contempt. It's not true, is it?<p> I need a moment to compose myself.

  • March 6, 2007, 3:46 p.m. CST

    You are worthy of many things chrth...

    by Onomaki Forp

    ...but contempt is not one of them. This Darth Cuddles is obviously merely jealous of the man who coined the power of !Awesome!

  • March 6, 2007, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Thanks Forp! Hey, BadMrWonka: Did you win?

    by chrth


  • March 6, 2007, 3:54 p.m. CST

    Holy Hermit

    by PwnedByStallone

    lat time I checked withdrawing from the world for spiritual reasons didn't include chatting online with hundreds of geeks.

  • March 6, 2007, 3:57 p.m. CST

    It's a 21-century style of Hermiting

    by chrth

    By engaging in active contact with virtual people while still isolating oneself physically, you're essentially deepening the isolation, because you have companionship without warmth and you have a constant reminder of the social environment you are no longer a part of.

  • March 6, 2007, 3:59 p.m. CST

    Oh, btw, forgot to give major props to themikejonas

    by chrth

    Damn that comma, indeed!

  • March 6, 2007, 4:13 p.m. CST

    "They have taken a vow of celibacy ..

    by chrth

    like their fathers, and their fathers before them"

  • March 6, 2007, 4:25 p.m. CST

    I upset the Mediteranean Tapa.

    by PwnedByStallone

    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!! And Anchorite: I guess I didn't really care enough to look it up. Half the shit people use for their names is made up bullshit. Like mine.

  • March 6, 2007, 5:07 p.m. CST

    Yo, Herc, where's the talkback for Skank-a-Palooza?

    by Pennsy

    i.e. The Pussycat International Singing Prostitutes search for the Next Strippe, er, Doll? ;)

  • March 6, 2007, 5:18 p.m. CST

    Nathan Petrelli (sp?) is married to one of the Dixie

    by warp11


  • March 6, 2007, 5:21 p.m. CST

    If Nathan is almost pres in 2 years., ep 5 year future.

    by warp11

    There was a rumor of one of the eps coming up taking place 5 years in the future. If Nathan is almost President in 2 years, then is he president then?

  • March 6, 2007, 5:23 p.m. CST

    How does Lindermen know how everthing will turn out?

    by warp11

    And if he does know, is he making it happen? And why?

  • March 6, 2007, 5:44 p.m. CST


    by leesheri

    money and the power that comes along with it.

  • March 6, 2007, 5:47 p.m. CST

    I thought Luthor was elected in 2000?

    by Onomaki Forp

    You think they'll follow the comics storyline and make Pete Ross Lex's running mate on Smallville?

  • March 6, 2007, 5:57 p.m. CST

    The Osbournes

    by voxmortis

    Momma Petrelli is Sharon Osbourne. Fact. Ando has powers - hopefully we find out before season end. IMDB says the next episode "0.7" is airing next week, is this wrong? Missy Peregrym in "Stick It"... yum :)

  • March 6, 2007, 6:01 p.m. CST

    I hope Sylar dies at the hands ...

    by dirkadirkadirka

    of Peter Petrelli. The character of Sylar is cool, but the actor is shit. I just don't like him. Just like Nikki/Jessica....yes she is hot but the character is shit. Get rid of her. Look at the new morphing hotttie. A bad guy even better then Sylar will hopefully be introduced soon enough.

  • March 6, 2007, 6:08 p.m. CST

    we did win, chrth

    by BadMrWonka

    and I got player of the week! scroll down...oh, and I'm the guy in the top right... <p>

  • March 6, 2007, 6:09 p.m. CST

    also, no ont knows what our team name means...

    by BadMrWonka

    "Roy Munson's Kids" <p>half of them haven't seen the movie, half of them don't know the term from Jerry Lewis' telethons...damn kids...

  • March 6, 2007, 6:19 p.m. CST

    answers to some TB'er questions..

    by Amy Chasing

    Q) How did Sylar move the drip tap if his brain was paralysed? A) It's likely the drug was pretty good (like 99% effective), but not good enough to stop him from forcing his efforts to move a little plastic tap. <P> Q) HRG-man's mind wipe was a waste since he relearned everything in the first 5 minutes. A) Technically not a question, but the reason for his mind wipe was so it appeared to Parkman (the telepath now trapped working for the "paper factory") that he honestly couldn't remember anything, to make it look like the Haitian had turned against him. <P> Q) Don't you watch Smallville? A) No.

  • March 6, 2007, 6:23 p.m. CST

    Well American Idol is starting soon...

    by Onomaki Forp I must be going. Last week I was in Munich (which is why I missed the Company Man talkback) and watched Deutschland Superstar the German version of Pop Idol etc. The contestants where younger better looking (especially the guys) and more talented than those in the States. Plus they all sang in English! Can you imagine some of the silly contestants here singing phonetically in German? Anyway, I only watch to see Simon in his tight T-Shirt.

  • March 6, 2007, 6:27 p.m. CST

    Way to go, Wonka! Woot!

    by chrth

    Wait, a championship-winning athlete? I don't think your kind is allowed on this site! ;)

  • March 6, 2007, 7:04 p.m. CST

    i do not intend to attempt to turn this into...

    by Onomaki Forp American Idol Tb (as if I could), but they just mentioned my real name on Idol! First I'm listed as one of Sylar's victims...then I'm schtick for some lame "human beatbox" what next?

  • March 6, 2007, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Count me out ...

    by The StarWolf

    List me as one of those who dropped LOST in the first season. I realized at one point that the characters were behaving in such a mind-bogglingly stupid and unbelievable manner, that I was starting to root for the monster(s) to come and chomp on them and that this meant I probably shouldn't be wasting time watching any more of it.

  • March 6, 2007, 7:15 p.m. CST


    by BadMrWonka

    I'm out of shape now, bowling is all that's available to me. when I was 17, I went to nationals for track, though. ran the mile in 4:21. good enough for..wait for it...22nd place out of 23. aqnd that was only cos one guy threw up and passed out after lap 2. but hey, I was the 22nd fastest mile runner in the nation in my age group. now, after drinking beer and eating sausage in germany for 2 years, I'm back in seattle, and fat. sad how life changes. but I'm determined to lose 25 more pounds before I love to LA in early May. if only I didn't live between Romio's pizza and pasta, and Red Robin burgers...

  • March 6, 2007, 7:15 p.m. CST


    by BadMrWonka

    I'm out of shape now, bowling is all that's available to me. when I was 17, I went to nationals for track, though. ran the mile in 4:21. good enough for..wait for it...22nd place out of 23. aqnd that was only cos one guy threw up and passed out after lap 2. but hey, I was the 22nd fastest mile runner in the nation in my age group. now, after drinking beer and eating sausage in germany for 2 years, I'm back in seattle, and fat. sad how life changes. but I'm determined to lose 25 more pounds before I love to LA in early May. if only I didn't live between Romio's pizza and pasta, and Red Robin burgers...

  • March 6, 2007, 7:17 p.m. CST


    by BadMrWonka

    my last post seemed to imply that I am 19. I am 27. lots of other stuff in between then and now. :o)

  • March 6, 2007, 7:19 p.m. CST

    Would they...?

    by The StarWolf

    I agree that having the invisible man blindside Sylar would be great, but I don't see it [sorry] happening. Now, Peter having a panic attack and reacting by trying to put Sylar through a wall, yes, that I can see. And youe like to see. Step 2 - use Cheerverine's healing, then turn invisible to hide from Sylar and just finish the job of putting him away for good. And the creators have pretty much all but admitted there'll be different villain(s) next season, so Sylar will be toast. Yay!

  • March 6, 2007, 7:24 p.m. CST

    You're wrong Steve_Dooku..

    by BitchNig

    The correct answer to bigpth's question is "The Good the Bad and the ugly". Probably the best western ever made...

  • March 6, 2007, 7:32 p.m. CST

    Mama Petrelli is actually a bad-ass...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    I'll go ahead and predict that by the end of the season, we'll see just how powerful she is. I mean, not necessarily super-powered (though she probably does have powers), but mob-style tough. I could see her shooting Eric Roberts' character, while protecting Claire from the mysterious Company.

  • March 6, 2007, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Sylar v Doctor Who

    by INWOsuxRED

    There is no indication that Sylar has the ability to see Doctor Who, so I don't know that he could do anything to him. His primary power seems to be entirely related to sight. The TK ability also seems to be related to sight. The only useful ability Sylar might be able to employ is his hearing.

  • March 6, 2007, 9:05 p.m. CST

    Excellent Episode

    by Barron34

    They really covered a lot of ground and did good work with this episode. *****Mohinder finally shows some guts and smarts, and gets the drop on Sylar, something that even superpowered types have been often unable to do.*****I think that Claude/Invisible Guy could possibly be allied with Grandma Petrelli, which might help explain why he was helping Peter control his powers. Grandma Petrelli is obviously aware of and is involved in the long-running intrigue behind the super-powered types, so maybe she helped Claude hide from HRG and the Company after HRG was ordered to kill him (Claude).*****On that note, I suspect that Grandma Petrelli, Linderman, Eric Roberts, and so on, are all long-time players in shifting factions of an Illuminati who are battling for control over the super-powered. It only makes sense that the rich and the powerful would want to have knowledge and power over the dangerous "heroes", and it seems that this struggle has gone on for perhaps generations. The Petrelli's father might have been an early casualty in an ongoing shadow war for control of the super-powered. Linderman is obviously an old-hand and key power-player who is probably used to controlling the super-powered through various means, including wealth, crime, and ruthlessness. He is a king-maker and power-broker. Linderman, the Petrelli Family, Sulu, Eric Roberts, the Company, are all probably old players in the power struggle to control the super-humans, and some may have powers themselves.*****I hope that they do not get rid of the season one cast. While it would be cool to see some fresh, new characters for season two, it would be a waste to develop so many cool characters in season one only to drop them. Part of the coolness factor of this show should be the maturation of characters from novices to experienced heroes (or villains). The best solution might be to have key characters from season one act as the lead players and mentors to new heroes in season two. We want to see heroes like Peter, Nathan, Claire, Hiro, etc, become full-fledged super-heroes, albeit undercover ones. Mix them in with new novices, and hopefully new villains, and that would be optimum. Introducing these characters in season one only to abandon them in season two seems like a bit of a cheat. We want to he payoff of seeing beloved characters go through the fire and emerge as heroes on the other side.*****Just a guess: Claude/Invisible Guy will be the one to pull HRG out of trouble with the Company. Claude is basically an anarchic figure who wants to be left alone, but is smart enough to know that the powers that be (the Company, etc) will not let him, or any other super-powered type, alone. So, he allies himself with whoever will give him the most freedom and leeway from being controlled or exploited. This means being allied against the Company, which is probably the most authoritarian faction amongst the Heroes Illuminati-types (Linderman, the Petrellis, etc). Now that Grandma Petrelli knows that HRG has turned against the Company due to Claire, Grandma P will likely send help to HRG. If Claude is allied with her, he makes a good candidate to help HRG, also given Claude's old friendship with Bennett. It makes some sense, since Claude is part of the Old Guard of Heroes, and would probably be known to Mrs. Petrelli, who is, I believe, an old hand at the intrigue game, and who probably knows much more than she has let on to her own sons (although that is bound to change now that they have both "manifested" and have gotten thrown right into the midst of the shadow war between the various factions).*****I think that Issac's days are numbered, but I could be wrong. Predicting the future is, I think, generally a depressing sort of power. Ultimately, we all die, so it is no surprise that Issac would see his own death. The show seems to be based on determinism. You really can not avoid your fate, but rather must face it. Hiro can travel through time, but he can not change events that are destined to occur. Charlie dies, New York City gets blown up, and so on. All that one can do is face the future and one's fate as well as one can.*****Peter's scar is explainable: Claire's power to regenerate simply is not absolute and unlimited. Sylar's TK powers and his matter-melting powers can cause wounds that can be healed from, but which can leave permanent scars due to their exceptional nature. Anyway, I look forward to the Peter/Sylar fight, and hope that Peter triumphs, but that Sylar gets some sort of out. He is too good a villain to waste: a super-powered serial killer who is scary as hell. The character brings a lot of welcome dread to the show, and would be hard to replace. Also, I hope that Mohinder lives, just because the character showed some guts by taking on super-powered Sylar himself.*****Malcolm McDowell is a great choice to play Linderman. I am looking forward to more of the character, and appreciate how he was able to talk Nathan down from shooting him, cool and casual.*****I like Nikki/Jessica as Linderman's hitman (or "hitgirl"). I appreciate that Nikki is starting to take control and subvert Jessica's actions. The scene where she helps out Nathan and then convinces him to knock her out was a good one.*****Parkman is another favorite character, so I was unhappy to see so little of him this episode. Perhaps he will figure into however HRG survives being found out by the Company. I look forward to seeing his character ont he front burner again. He was a well-written and acted in Chapter Seventeen "Company Man".*****Again, excellent episode. It sucks that we will not see any new episodes for several weeks. The show is addictive. Great stuff, lots of cliff-hangers, like a good-old movie serial, done right. Kudos to the writers, producers, cast, and crew.

  • March 6, 2007, 9:31 p.m. CST

    new villians

    by INWOsuxRED

    I look forward to new villians, but I hope we see Sylar again. As long as someone can time travel, I guess we can always see Sylar again, but I'm hoping for more of a shocking return at the end of season 2, or early in season 3(assuming he is disposed of this season).

  • March 6, 2007, 9:35 p.m. CST


    by turketron

    Wow. Just. Wow. Great episode, this show gets better and better. And we have what, FIVE more episodes? This could have been a season finale. We have a month of waiting to do, but it wont't be too bad. There are other shows to keep me occupied. Sylar is fucking awesome, I've loved his character even before they revealed him as a 24 season 3 alumni. I really don't want them to kill him off... he's an awesome villain. <p><p> Good episodes of Prison Break and 24 last night, awesome Heroes, and now I have what looks to be a great episode of Lost tomorrow night to look forward to. It's a good week.<p><p> Oh yeah, and Malcolm McDowel for Linderman is awesome... and I love how all-knowing he seems to be. Heroes rocks.

  • March 6, 2007, 10:31 p.m. CST

    Championship winning....

    by Hairy Nutsack

    Well chrth I also happen to be a championship winning geek here on AICN. My sport of choice is hockey, both ice and roller. I've won championships in both as a player and a coach. I even have a national roller hockey championship under my belt, NARCH in 2001. - that's me in the black shirt.<p> And why did I share all of this? Because no one asked me to of course.

  • March 7, 2007, 4:05 a.m. CST


    by Latenighter

    Great name! Team America, Fuck yeah!

  • March 7, 2007, 4:49 a.m. CST

    haha, Malcom McD.

    by Evil Hobbit

    oh hey, he's cooking, what a stereotypic monologue for a villain or semi-villain. Ofc he aint gonna shoot. Bit mediocre episode after the previous one. Silar and Mohinder: VERY BADASS!

  • March 7, 2007, 7:05 a.m. CST


    by workshed

    Is that your only complaint..? Wow, i've had better insults from my baby daughter and she can't even talk yet. Stallone fans do tend to be slightly effeminate so i will forgive your lame-ass approach.

  • March 7, 2007, 8:05 a.m. CST

    Flaw with Isaac NO DEAD SIMONE pic.

    by EvilWizardGlick

    One would think with Simones emotional significance to Isaac he would have painted a single picture of her shot and bloody. Nope, nada, zip, zilch. <p> Do Nathans other kids have powers? Will we be seeing the Summers/Gray family line played out through the Petrellis? <p> Any odds on Linderman having the power of recognizing powers in others? <p> Since Jack dropped 'specials" as the new descriptive will they start using it for all mutants?

  • March 7, 2007, 8:27 a.m. CST


    by biggles2_22

    STAR80(tm) rules! Way to dupe HRG!

  • March 7, 2007, 9:45 a.m. CST


    by INWOsuxRED

    Isaac's powers have already been shown to be spotty at best. He had to shoot up again to paint after Simone. We really have very little idea as to the exact nature of what he paints, but he doesn't seem to control it, or doesn't know he controls it. Much of his artwork is of people he doesn't even know, so there is no indication that emotion is what dictates his subjects.

  • March 7, 2007, 10:23 a.m. CST

    I think TPTB haven't figured out what to do with DL yet

    by chrth

    Probably won't until they resolve the Nikki/Jessica thing.

  • March 7, 2007, 10:27 a.m. CST

    I can't think of a single Isaac painting that's

    by chrth

    Isaac-specific. Even the picture of him and Simone is really a picture of what Peter will see.

  • March 7, 2007, 10:33 a.m. CST

    true, it's probably not the nature of his talent

    by just pillow talk

    which is ironic since he can't see what will happen to him. If he did Simone may not be dead.

  • March 7, 2007, 12:52 p.m. CST


    by PwnedByStallone

    Good thing I hate Stallone then.

  • March 7, 2007, 1:37 p.m. CST

    Do most TB'ers have ADHD or what?

    by Ninja Nerd

    I ask because from reading some of the posts, it's apparent that you're not actually WATCHING the damn show! Skimming while playing WoW, drinking the Dew and munhcing Cheetos, but not really watching. Someone complained about the PS3 scene with Niki and Micah...uh, the kid had a ton of cash from the ATM "heist"....why wouldn't he go get a PS3? DL OBVIOUSLY isn't missing all the BS with Niki/ his facial expression change when he turns away from her. He knows. Mohinder/Sylar scenes with the curare? That's a super powerful drug, but kind of tricky to use. There's a fairly fine line between paralyzed and oops!, killed him. And on and on. If you're going to nitpick or analyze the show to death, watch it instead of jerking off the whole hour.

  • March 7, 2007, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Best First Season Shows

    by _Maltheus_

    <p>Heroes is definitely up there as the best first season for a show, but I'd had to give the nod to Veronica Mars, with the Sopranos and Profit (also starring Nathan Petrelli) as close seconds. Granted this season isn't finished yet (and Profit didn't have a full season), but I have a feel for it.</p> <p>The problem with this show is that it's hard to compare to others. It's often contrasted with Lost, as an example of good pacing vs. bad, but it does come across as too juvenile to be thought of as a great show. I just really like it better than many great shows. And I suppose that's all that matters. That being said, it's possibly my favorite first season show.</p> <p>I have a feeling it won't be so good next year. The spotlight tends to do that to Hollywood properties. But I suspect it'll still be fun enough to watch. The question for me is how will it be in it's third year. That's the year that most impresses itself on my memory of a show. A show needs three good seasons in a row for me to think of it as an all-time great. And the third should be the best of the three. That's just how I see it looking back on some of my favorites. Can't wait till April.</p>

  • March 7, 2007, 1:46 p.m. CST

    Well...he could have sat down in a big chair...

    by Onomaki Forp

    ...stroked his pet lizard, and said "You should not have done that Mr. Sylar..."

  • March 7, 2007, 1:56 p.m. CST

    the Pacini music was a Doctor Who reference...

    by lynxpro

    Think back to the plot points of using Pacini music in the Doctor Who TVM from 1996. First casting Christopher Eccleston (although he wasn't The Doctor in 1996), throw in that regeneration talk between Peter and Claude, then cast Eric Roberts, and now a Pacini reference. What next? Cast Yee Jee Tso as a friend of Hiro and Ando? Or Daphne Ashbrook as yet another past romantic conquest of Nathan's? Will Sasso as a villain who makes people laugh to death? Or Paul McGann as Linderman's favorite EU based hitman?

  • March 7, 2007, 2:07 p.m. CST

    what heroes is really missing

    by Mr_X

    is a groovy theme tune. that's right, i said it.

  • March 7, 2007, 2:13 p.m. CST

    I'm gonna try and cut down then Ninja Nerd

    by just pillow talk

    instead of the power hour of jerking off, I'll try just 20 minutes...but I get so sleepy..

  • March 7, 2007, 2:15 p.m. CST


    by Hairy Nutsack

    I can guarantee you that NO ONE on the production crew was making any attempt whatsoever to reference the Who TVM, I might be the only person in America who even remembers there was a Who TVM, and you know my feelings on that tranwreck. If any Doctor Who references do happen, they won't have anything to do with that a one off bad TV movie that should be ignored. Even the first episode ever with the Doctor fighting cavemen was better than that 1996 shitfest.

  • March 7, 2007, 2:34 p.m. CST

    Doctor Who TVM....

    by Hairy Nutsack

    Just in case anyone with a strong stomach wants to see this stupid thing, you can find it at the very bottom of the page in the following link -<p> Don't say I didn't warn you.

  • March 7, 2007, 2:51 p.m. CST

    Semicolon? No, a period!

    by Jack Parsons

    Save the cheerleader; save the world. Implies doing the first does the second. -Now, try this: Save the cheerleader. Save the world. Implies doing two different things -- mission one, save Claire, mission two, save the world. -- Future Hiro was perhaps misinterpreted 'cause of implied punctuation! Since English is his second language he might have forgotten to bite off a period, verbally, to separate the two commands. He was in a hurry, what with altering the timeline and all.

  • March 7, 2007, 4:12 p.m. CST

    This Is Madness...!

    by buster00


  • March 7, 2007, 5:12 p.m. CST

    Stephen Colbert's new Ice Cream contains waffles!!!

    by Onomaki Forp

    Ben and Jerry's Stephen Colbert's American Dream contains fudge covered WAFFLES. And Colbert says it will "SAVE THE WORLD" hmmmmmmm? Could Linderman and Sylar be working together with...BEARS?

  • March 7, 2007, 6:06 p.m. CST


    by BadMrWonka

    if you were to quit your job and just hang out and smoke pot and drink all day. it would probably be REALLY fun for a while. but then after a while you would become a pathetic, slovenly mess, and every day would be the same: useless and meaningless. then, even though you would then want to stop all the shit and get your life back, it would be too late. you'd be hooked on the booze and drugs and totally Lost. but what if there were a rehab center named "Heroes"?

  • March 7, 2007, 6:13 p.m. CST

    Somewhat Off Topic

    by Barron34

    Joe Quesada and the crew at Marvel killed of Captain America in the comics. Fuck That!!! I am sick of these stunts to boost circulation. First they fuck up Peter Parker/Spiderman by having him unmask. That is the stupidest thing to come out of comics for a long time. Parker is not a moron. He has spent his entire adult life trying to protect people close to him (Mary Jane, Aunt May) from being killed by his many, many enemies. Unmasking was just an invitation to all his murderous opponents to kill all of the people he loves. Completely aginst character and in defiance of logic. Just a stunt by the powers that be to jack up interest in the comcis. Now they are murdering a beloved comic-book icon right in the midst of perhaps America's most difficult period since World War II. Poor Joe Simon, the co-creator of Captain America with the late Jack Kirby, was quoted to the effect the "we need Captain America right now". The poor guy is in his nineties, and he has to approach the twilight of his life knowing that the great American icon he has created has been assassinated to boost Marvel's bottom line. I repeat: fuck that! I appreciate that Marvel has tried to innovate with the Civil War series, but killing Captain America is not an innovation; it is a stunt, and an unwelcome one at that. Boo, hiss Marvel!!! You should be ashamed!

  • March 7, 2007, 6:29 p.m. CST

    Amen Barron34...

    by Onomaki Forp

    ...check out the thread for the Spider-Man 3 images for more discussion on this subject.

  • March 7, 2007, 11:20 p.m. CST

    OK, let's get a few things straight...

    by LotusGeek

    First, Missy's character appears to be able to shapeshift AND create an illusion because she takes on the voices of the people she mimics (think HRG's wife) and people can touch her when she's mimicing. She can also create an illusion (think Simone's body being hidden). Another possibility is inducing mass-hallucination, which seems more f-ed up than the first idea. Second, I am not sure about the whole Nikki/Jessica thing. We've already seen folks that were supposed to be dead who aren't (think invisible man). I have a slightly different theory - I don't think Jessica is dead, and I don't think they are simply switching personalities. They have made it very, very clear that they are trading physical bodies - think about the beginning when Jessica was covered in blood but Nikki wasn't, and also how Jessica has the "dna" tattoo and Nikki doesn't. I have another theory: I think Jessica isn't dead. I think she is either in hiding somewhere or is being held by "the company" someplace, and Jessica has figured out how to swap places with Nikki - and they can "see" each other in reflective surfaces. I believe that Jessica has super-human strength as well, and used to work for the company (hence the "dna" tattoo) without Nikki's knowledge - and has grown more powerful now and is swapping places with her. It has to be more than simply split personalities for the aforementioned reasons. Third, you know how Ted has trouble controlling his power when hurt? I think that Peter may also gain that "lack of control" over that particular power, and that this may be part of his problem when he goes nuclear. Or, here's an even more far-out theory (and follow me on this one): At some point Sylar gets the shapeshifter's powers. He also gets Ted's powers - maybe right before the NY nuclear bomb thing. So, he gets those powers, he switches himself to look like Peter. The other heroes are around, someone figures it out (or he is attacked by the real Peter while invisible) and that causes him to go nuclear. Hey, it's just a theory ;) Oh, and I have one plot incosistency that's bugging me. We have found out that it is invisible man that is dead with his brain gone in Isaac's apt when Hiro jumps to the future really early in the series (it was mentioned in this long-assed thread earlier). If that's the case then how the hell is he there when Peter goes nuclear? Remember, he's standing on the side, laughing. OH SHIT, I have it! In that scene that's not the invisible man laughing - that's SYLAR laughing while shape-shifted (assuming he's gotten to little-miss-smartypants-shapeshifter by then)! HE triggers Peter cause he know he can't control it! OK, OK, enough stream-of-consciousness typing. Back to your regularly scheduled posting...

  • March 8, 2007, 1:42 a.m. CST


    by BadMrWonka

    that's not the invisible guy in the apartment when hiro goes. it's either isaac the painter, or ted the nuclear man. no one ever mentioned it was the invisible guy, I think you just got the names mixed up.

  • March 8, 2007, 1:44 a.m. CST

    and chrth, if you're still reading this...

    by BadMrWonka

    I think we can piece sojme important stuff together if we examine all the places that tattoo inage popped up. it's on jessica, it was on the computer screen hidden in the dna code sequence. on young haitian's necklace, on hiro's sword, and a few other places I forget. but isn't hiro's sword supposed to be centuries old? hmmmm.

  • March 8, 2007, 2:15 a.m. CST

    I think the nuke is to kill sylar

    by INWOsuxRED

    and in the end it is actually a good thing and saves the world. It may seem Peter has lost control, but the opposite is true. It is intentional, and the only way to stop Sylar... at least that would be cool if it goes down that way.

  • March 8, 2007, 7:15 a.m. CST

    so then BadMrWonka..

    by just pillow talk

    I was thinking about the symbol on the sword either <p>(1)It's not the original that Hiro has (2)The 'mutant' gene and the 'company'/group has existed for a very long time. <p>But then that wouldn't make sense, because then one would think they would have firmer control over these 'mutants'. Unless of course something happened where that knowledge was lost.

  • March 8, 2007, 9:15 a.m. CST

    Answer to sword mystery...

    by Onomaki Forp

    ...Hiro goes back to ancient Japan and becomes the Samurai himself. But then if the ancient sword was taken back to old Japan by Future Hiro and left there for modern Hiro to becomes an endless loop with no actual origin for the sword.

  • March 8, 2007, 10:29 a.m. CST

    interesting idea Forp

    by just pillow talk

    but why would Hiro go back to ancient Japan? (disregarding the time loop created)

  • March 8, 2007, 1 p.m. CST

    Who Claude "buried"

    by fedaykin

    *possible spoiler theory follows* I realize this question was posed in the "Company Man" TB, but I've been pondering it since that episode and didn't want my first post to be lackluster. After careful consideration, I'm almost certain that Claude was hiding Claire's biological mother. At the beginning of the episode, HRG tells Mr. Nakamura that they think she died in the house fire, but it isn't confirmed. In the "Hell's Angel" online graphic novel that shows the attempted "bag and tag", HRG stays in the hall while Claude enters the bedroom to take care of Firestarter, and HRG never encounters her at all. So it seems to me that would be the most logical point for Claude and Firestarter to co-op and fake her death. Where and how this will tie in with the overall plot remains to be seen, but I think it's as sound a theory as any. Finishing up my lunch hour and heading back to work, but I figured I'd throw the thought out there since speculation seems to be acceptable on here.

  • March 8, 2007, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Will they do it?

    by sleepingbear

    I wonder if the producers have the balls to actually nuke New York City.

  • March 8, 2007, 2:53 p.m. CST

    speculation is encouraged fedaykin

    by just pillow talk

    that's what makes this show many possibilities.

  • March 9, 2007, 4:40 p.m. CST


    by rdsxfan8

    this is prolly something that shouldve been in the company man feedback, but i havetn seen anyone else ask this yet. in that episode you see a glimpse of hiro with his father when hiros father hands over claire to hrg. Since we know hiro has powers does this mean his father injected them into him later on or is his father really not his "real" father after all. I mean there is mention of claire being taken when she manifests, could the same be true for hiro and his powers ahve yet to be discovered by the company??? or could there possibly be a point further on down the road where hiros biological father is called into question/ just curious since like i said i havent seen or heard anyone else ask this before. let me know what ya'll think

  • March 9, 2007, 8:33 p.m. CST

    rdsxfan8 - I don't think Sulu is really Hiro's dad

    by just pillow talk

    Same situation as with HRG. That's my take. One would think that maybe Sulu wouldn't have been sold so easily on having his daughter take over the biz, especially with Hiro shouting about his important mission.

  • March 10, 2007, 3:49 a.m. CST

    HEROES RULES, BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by wackybantha


  • March 10, 2007, 10:20 a.m. CST

    pillow talk

    by rdsxfan8

    good point. like I said it was just something i was wondering about since i didnt see it mentioned before. it sucks to have to wait till april to hopefully have SOME questions answered and many more brought up.... but i supposed the wait is worth it rather than churning out unfocused and hurried episodes.

  • March 11, 2007, 1:26 p.m. CST

    There are few things more pleasurable..

    by Pennsy

    Than seeing Missy Peregrym in high-definition. That is all.