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George Lucas Says
The Live-Action STAR WARS
TV Series Is Still ‘Years Away’!!

I am – Hercules!!
George Lucas came to the Museum of Television and Radio’s William S. Paley Festival Saturday night. The first 90 minutes of the two-hour event were devoted to “The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles” and Lucas’ efforts to bring that series to DVD with accompanying documentaries and study guides. There was interest in the project, but the crowd was clearly hungering also for details on the upcoming “Star Wars” TV projects. They didn’t get a lot. Lucas spoke briefly of the upcoming animated “3D” “Clone Wars” series, describing the Cartoon Network’s earlier series of “Clone Wars” shorts as “a test.” He told the Paley audience that the upcoming animated series would “create the ambiance of the movies in cartoon form,” noting that there is currently “nothing on TV quite like it.” He said his objective with the series was to “create a pretty good adventure, breaking all the rules.” He described the upcoming animated series as “episodic.” “We don’t have to deal with the Skywalker story,” he said. “There could be some episodes that have nothing but Clone Warriors in them.” He said he would produce 100 episodes of the animated “Clone Wars” series, “then make a deal to show them.” When asked to discuss the characters his upcoming live-action “Star Wars” series would focus upon, Lucas said that project was still “years away.” He also suggested that a “second animated series” might be produced before he got around to the live-action series. “It’s one show that splits up into four shows,” he said, “and each show will deal with a different character.” There was no follow-up, so immediately after the event I consulted with some of my fellow "AICN Jedi Council" members in attendance regarding that last statement. Everyone agreed that when Lucas spoke of the “one show that splits up into four shows,” he seemed to be referring to the the live-action “Star Wars” TV series. So does Lucas intend for the live-action “Star Wars” series to follow an “American Graffiti” structure, following four sets of characters in each episode? Or does he intend to revisit each set of characters every fourth episode? Or does he intend something else entirely? So cryptic. But interesting. “For me, the future is TV,” Lucas told the Paley crowd. With features, he said, “the odds are so great, the risk is so high. I just want to have a good time.”

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  • March 4, 2007, 8:23 a.m. CST

    ah, we'll see these...

    by omarthesnake

    when we see the Buffyverse movies.

  • March 4, 2007, 8:25 a.m. CST

    first!? no!

    by Tallguyme

    crap. Lucas' chin gotta eat!

  • March 4, 2007, 8:37 a.m. CST

    "the risk is so high"

    by Anakin Whoopass

    He's not willing to accept studio financing and the studio control that comes with it, and apparently he's no longer willing to self-finance big-budget films.

  • March 4, 2007, 8:40 a.m. CST

    What the hell is wrong with you, Tallguyme?

    by Bronx Cheer

    If you're six, I understand the impulse to name-call, but for crying out loud, get off the man's neck...figuratively speaking. Unless you're prepared to let us all see pictures of you so we can find something wrong with your appearance for the six-year-olds to rip to pieces, please PLEASE grow the hell up. As for Lucas, he's probably dead-on with his comment regarding features vs. TV. We're nearing the end of widespread theatrical projection. There will still be event movies, but get used to the pipeline going directly to the boxes in your home and your pocket: TV, Internet devices, and iPods. I won't miss the jerks talking on their cell phones in the theater, but I'm going to miss the size of the screen.

  • March 4, 2007, 8:39 a.m. CST

    everything is a "test" with this guy.

    by McGsStepson

    just make a decent narrative and stop worrying about testing your freaking cameras and editing programs. pretty soon he'll spin it and say the 3-D clone wars were a test for the live action series.

  • March 4, 2007, 8:42 a.m. CST

    Who cares?

    by The Decider

    Getting excited for Star Wars is like getting excited for a new Michael Jackson album.

  • March 4, 2007, 8:42 a.m. CST

    Odd that he would say that...

    by SifoDyasJr.

    ...when Lucasfilm is clearly marketing a 2009 date for the TV series:

  • March 4, 2007, 8:41 a.m. CST

    Bah humbug...

    by Dr_Zoidberg

    Was looking forward to this, everyone seemed to think it would begin showing in 2008. Nevermind, a Star Wars live action show always had me worried it might cheapen it. I like the prequels, so what do I know. But more Clone Wars cartoons/CGI... BRING IT ON!!!

  • March 4, 2007, 8:45 a.m. CST

    Lucas probably wanted to steer away from SW

    by Bronx Cheer

    By tossing the "years away" comment out there, it looks like he successfully changed the subject. By the way, it sure is good that he's out there making those little experimental films. I admire the hell out of the man for the many innovations he brought to the industry, but if we could just be straight with us for once about his real interests, I would be grateful.

  • March 4, 2007, 8:45 a.m. CST

    Die Already... George Not Star Wars

    by BojTrek

    Gosh dang... I wish this clown would die and someone with balls take over the Star Wars universe. Seriously, I was 14 years old when Return of the Jedi was released and thought Ewoks and the whole Endor story was kiddie and it reminded me of the muppets in Jabba's palace. I was freaking 14... after Return of the Jedi he gives us Jar-Jar and baby Anakin... LAME! After that a whiny bitch Anakin trying to get in Padme's pants... and CGI world after world where every live actor looked like a damn Color-Form stick on piece of plastic. I know none of this makes sense... but hey, it is MY RANT!

  • March 4, 2007, 8:46 a.m. CST

    Live action series is years away probably. . .

    by Ingeld

    means is trying to perfect photo-realistic CGI. Lucas realized long ago he is a one trick pony as far as making moving is concerned. So he just going to use developing technology to continually reinvent the trick. If he lives long enough he will pioneer Star Wars the virtual reality movie.

  • March 4, 2007, 8:54 a.m. CST

    In SW he has a cash cow, an with every incarnation

    by Bronx Cheer

    he gets the fan base coming back with open wallets. This allows him to fund his research and development even further. I don't think for s econd he gives a damn about the characters except as revenue generators. Much like a great piece of real estate, the SW universe is his gold mine, and so long as there's a hunger for the gold, he's going to mine that vein until there's nothing left but a stormtrooper and a jawa having coffee over bagels and lox, talking about the good ol' days.

  • March 4, 2007, 8:57 a.m. CST

    Risk so high with features?

    by Kraken

    Since when (for you) George?

  • March 4, 2007, 9:03 a.m. CST

    MJ's Invicible WAS a Great Album

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    The music was great in MJ's last album. The main obstacle is removing the morality and the artist from the work itself.

  • March 4, 2007, 9:06 a.m. CST

    Three ideas? It's not all about the movies.

    by Bronx Cheer

    The innovations he shepherded have influenced a generation of filmmakers. The tools his companies have created and improved upon have helped keep movies entertaining. There's no defending his weakness as a writer and director of actors, but his imagination and intelligence brought a generation of film goers their own mythology. I'm the first guy in line to knock the latest films he's made, but to criticize the guy for being a Johnny One Note is shortsighted.

  • March 4, 2007, 9:08 a.m. CST

    Those WERE Big Ideas Though....

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    GL is doing well for himself. And the longer time that the Prequel Trilogy has been completed, the better that it is hold up. I am just wondering where those people are were hyping Matrix Trilogy are at the moment? I love LOTR. However, that does no generate that amount of activity as SW. So give the man his props and stop trying to revise history where GL is anything less than the author of one of the most beloved universes of all time.

  • March 4, 2007, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Young INdiana JOnes Chronicles...

    by RenoNevada2000

    So if 3/4s of the presentation was on YOUNG INDY, why no freakin' news? Are they choppin' out the Old indy framing devices? Will they be the same as they aired or those horrendous two hour edited into a tv movie version?

  • March 4, 2007, 9:08 a.m. CST

    I've always meant to ask, Hercules...

    by Bronx Cheer

    what's the deal with the ads at the bottom of your posts? Just curious. It seems more appropriate to have ad content separated from editorial content.

  • March 4, 2007, 9:11 a.m. CST


    by Darth_Baltar

    Pullo and Vorenus are much more worthy of bandwith than Georgie

  • March 4, 2007, 9:15 a.m. CST

    Giving Everyone Credit except GL...

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    No doubt we will see people on this TB talk about GL's wife, producer's, and ESB's director, somehow implying that they were the real reason for SW's success. I wondered why people would do this, then I realized that some fans want to claim SW as their own. So the first step to this is to discredit the ownership of SW, so that they can co-opt it. But the sad part is that all of these wannabes have NO SW money in their bank account, so I guess that they are a tad bitter that this loser with a triple chin, who can't write dialogue, who dared to put in N'SYNC for 2 seconds in order to make his kids happy, as the power and the money!

  • March 4, 2007, 9:18 a.m. CST

    rest in peace already

    by robamenta

    just my two cents worth..but man . rots, was such a piece of crap, and didnt answer all the questions from the previous film...what a fuckin rip off, and lazy film making

  • March 4, 2007, 9:26 a.m. CST

    Lazy storytelling shows his indifference to

    by Bronx Cheer

    the material. One of the biggest problems I had with "Sith" was the cruelty of Obi Wan. He left the poor bugger to die in agony, instead of finishing him off. He showed absolutely no mercy. If it was Lucas's intention to make Kenobi out to be a dirtbag, he succeeded. I'll never see the character the same way again. And yes, I realize that would have changed the story a little (!), but then you stage the scene differently. Have Vader fall off a cliff or something trite so he thinks he dies. Don't just have him walk away to leave him to suffer. (Sorry for going off topic.)

  • March 4, 2007, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Old Indy

    by Anakin Whoopass

    I think they chopped out the framing devices long ago, except for "The Mystery of the Blues," the one Harrison Ford did.

  • March 4, 2007, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Technically, wouldn't the TV show be

    by chrth

    "A long time ago"?

  • March 4, 2007, 9:30 a.m. CST

    did you notice?

    by robamenta

    in 'rots' there is about a 20 minute sequence of shots, where all we get are ships landing and taking off? with bits of dialogue thrown in?? it is really badly paced and i love how yoda just says "ok, now im going into seclusion" wow, he made me hate yoda..good job. he very obviously did not give a shit about the film.

  • March 4, 2007, 9:39 a.m. CST

    fuck this shit

    by Frank Duckett

    he should be trying to win the oscar he joked about not having, not the same old crap

  • March 4, 2007, 9:42 a.m. CST

    Who cares? Lucas killed Star Wars w/ the prequels


    As a life long die hard Star Wars fan it kills me to say this, but Star Wars is dead. Lucas killed the fanchise with his horrendously bad prequels (which were full of fart jokes,shit jokes,little kids,Jar Jar Binks, bad acting,bad writing,bad directing and way to much annoying cgi)If those films didn't have the name Star Wars attached to them they would have done nothing at the box office. BOTTOM LINE: Lucas killed the franchise with his shitty prequels.

  • March 4, 2007, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Live Action Star Wars = prequel of the prequels

    by Mike_D

    of the prequels of the prequels of the prequels. I ate prequels.

  • March 4, 2007, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Don't really care what he's working on now...

    by filmicdrummer17

    but when the hell is he going to get around to realising that "Star Wars Ultimate Edition Super Box Set Extravaganza" we know he's sitting on, with THX and proper frakkin' aspect ratios?

  • March 4, 2007, 9:52 a.m. CST

    Thalberg Award

    by Bronx Cheer

    Lucas received the Irving G Thalberg award. That's probably a greater honor than winning an Oscar, as the Oscars are awarded willy-nilly, while the Thalberg is given to "creative producers whose bodies of work reflect a consistently high quality of motion picture production."

  • March 4, 2007, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Technically, 2009 is "years away."

    by Karl Hungus

    Lucasfilm announced the live-action show would be out in 2009 and their recent poster for upcoming LFL product used a photo of Boba Fett to tease the series. It's the Empire who controls the Emperor now...

  • March 4, 2007, 10:04 a.m. CST

    THX would be a cooler source material for a series

    by INWOsuxRED

    Even two years from now, I don't see a Star Wars live action show as something that could realistically capture the magic without taking a cheap route somewhere. Even 10 years from now. A Star Wars show with the same sets and characters strung out for 100 episodes will likely bore. THX has some interesting themes to it that seem more relevant today than they did when it came out. If Lucas wants to get weird and take risks like he says, THX would have been a better starting point than Star Wars, and probably would make a much more compelling serialized TV show.

  • March 4, 2007, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Ugh, could the guy be more annoying?

    by brokentusk

    It's the same way I sometimes feel about LOST. Why does Jack not look at Ben and say, "Ben, just tell me, what exactly are you doing on this island? What is going on exactly? If you tell me, I won't ask again and we can move on." Why can Lucas not just tell people what he's developing? Why can he not sit down and take ten minutes to say, "I'm working on a television show that will come out in 2008, it will be completely CGI and focus on what Han Solo was thinking about while frozen in carbonite." - or whatever he wants to say. I'm sick of this cryptic bullshit. I didn't learn anything from the above that I didn't already know. I know it's become cliche to say this... but screw Lucas.

  • March 4, 2007, 10:45 a.m. CST


    by berserkrl

    Thanks for the Star Wars info, but WHAT DID HE SAY ABOUT YOUNG INDY? In particular, did he say when the DVDs are coming? (I know it's a crazy deviation to be more interested in Young Indy than in Star Wars, but hey, it's MY crazy deviation.)

  • March 4, 2007, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Lucas sounds like a guy without a gameplan...

    by Optimus Murphy

    Sounds like he's just throwing shit at the wall to see what sticks. I suppose as long as he can declare something about his projects "innovative" he'll take it as a win. At this point his "innovation" is all he's got.

  • March 4, 2007, 10:53 a.m. CST

    Lucas Slammed Godzilla

    by NHRonin

    Remember when Lucasfilm had that poster on the website that looked like the American Godzilla debacle and it said "Plot Does Matter?" Yeah, then we got Jar Jar Binks stepping in Bantha crap. Yeah, George, plot does f'ing matter. This guy really pisses me off.

  • March 4, 2007, 10:57 a.m. CST

    Agree with Optimus Murphy.

    by mrfan

    well said.

  • March 4, 2007, 11:08 a.m. CST

    TV Series

    by Sonic Reducer

    I'll bet he's trying to talk himself into making more movies instead of the tv series.

  • March 4, 2007, 11:17 a.m. CST

    His objective is merely "a pretty good adventure"?


    Why not aspire to "great"? Oh, wait, this is Greedo Lucas we're talking about. Silly me - why should he bother? So very sad...

  • March 4, 2007, 11:29 a.m. CST

    How About, Instead, Just ONE Show That's Any Damn Good?

    by bobbyjoe

    Lucas says cryptically “one show that splits up into four shows”... Well, considering Lucas' recent track record, I guess those "four shows" will likely be as follows: 1) One part that's pure special effects with little story other than characters rambling on and on about the intricacies of the Empire's accounting and taxation system 2)One part cutesy-pie kiddie show where CGI teddy bears with pink poodle heads talk with annoyingly high-pitched Swedish accents or something 3) One part wooden romance, where people stare at one another and say things in a flat, monotone voices like "Remember when we were at that lake and your hair looked so beautiful; your hair looks beautiful now, like it did at that lake." 4) One part that's actually pretty good, coming way too late and buried way underneath all the other crap.

  • March 4, 2007, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Lucas can't do shit. Eps I-III were shite of the decade

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    besides the Uwe Boll crap we got.

  • March 4, 2007, 11:49 a.m. CST

    Hopefully in a galaxy far, far away.

    by superninja

    No more Star Wars from Lucas.

  • March 4, 2007, 11:52 a.m. CST

    Obviously, this has the potential to be as good

    by superninja

    as Battlestar Galactica, even better given the power of the established mythology. But not in Lucas's hands. It would be a like Dawson's Creek with lightsabers.

  • March 4, 2007, 12:03 p.m. CST

    Lucas should stick to tech stuff

    by David Lazarus Long

    Keep Skywalker sound and ILM top-notch and let someone else man the camera, George. It's how your best work was made.

  • March 4, 2007, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Fuck you Lucas and your "indie" films.

    by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz

    Is this clown full of shit or what? For years he has been toting how he is an indie film maker. Yes, Star Wars was an indie Sci Fi film. But everything since no matter if it came from his pocket or not has been major studio fan fare. I love the original series just like the next fanboy. I won't deny going to see the re-issues special editions over and over when they came out. Hell I won't even deny going to see the shitty prequels. Still does not change the fact that Lucas is a money grubbing asshole now who cares nothing for art as much as he does for his own lined pockets. It's all about toys and cross marketing. Now after a promise of a live action TV series he says it's "years" away. I am sure there are two reasons 1. No idea where to take the story because the well has run dry and 2. The plan (and prob main reason) for the next re-issue of all 6 films in 3-D. And I will be a sucker because I am sure like each one of you we are all going to give Lucas our money again to see these films on the big screen once more in 3-D this time. Lucas should turn Star Wars over to those who care about it. Fans. Have some sort of contest to see who can take the story in the best direction with these older characters for the live action TV show. Give it the Lucas stamp of approval as canon and then you may get something of quality out of the series again and Lucas can still sit back and make his money. Just please don't let him direct it.

  • March 4, 2007, 12:47 p.m. CST

    the live action show is "years away"?

    by newc0253

    Lucas is taking his sweet fucking time, that's all i can say. i welcome more animated clone wars episodes, but - even at their best - those cartoons are closer to animal crackers than a decent meal. don't get me wrong, i like animal crackers. but they ain't no substitute.

  • March 4, 2007, 12:59 p.m. CST

    George Lucas is proving so many people right.

    by one9deuce

    The Prequel Trilogy is horrible. The initial luster of "new Star Wars films!" has worn off and even people who liked them originally are seeing that they just aren't very good. And the reason they are so bad is because they were made by someone who isn't even a filmmaker. George Lucas hasn't been a filmmaker since the late 70's. He is the head of a corporation: Lucasfilm LTD. All his rhetoric about being free to make his "experimental" films was total bullshit. He isn't going to direct ANYthing because he isn't even a director. It's been two years since Revenge of the Sith this is what he has in the pipeline: an Indiana Jones feature, Young Indiana Jones DVD's, a Star Wars cartoon, a second possible Star Wars cartoon, a Star Wars live-action television show, Star Wars 30th anniversary DVD box set, Star Wars 3D theatrical rereleases........<p> Indiana Jones and Star Wars make money, and that is all that Lucas is interested in: MONEY.

  • March 4, 2007, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Merits of the Prequel Trilogy

    by Bramton1

    Yes, the prequel trilogy as a whole sucked. Episode I is difficult to watch because of Jar Jar and Jake Lloyd, but it can still be kinda fun to watch. Episode II is impossible to watch, because it feels like a 10-hour movie, and the Anakin-Padme romance is bad enough for me to think Lucas is still a virgin. Episode III, on the other hand, I like. Is it better than Star Wars or Empire Strikes Back? Of course not. But it's light years better than Phantom Menace and Attack of the Clones, and I think it's also better than Return of the Jedi.

  • March 4, 2007, 1:23 p.m. CST

    The Curse of 20th Century Fox.

    by wowsah156

    Lucas has lost the plot. By 2009 nobody will care. I grew up with the original movies, and i felt let down by the prequels. Lucas had a good 17 years to come up with a good backstory, and he gave the fans JarJar ans whiny Anakin. Lucas doesnt have anything left to offer. He should retire with grace. IF and when the TV series comes i wont make an effort to watch . Whats the point? It will just encourage him.

  • March 4, 2007, 1:37 p.m. CST


    by NNNOOO!!!

    Regarding the 'four shows' scenario: I think you nailed it.

  • March 4, 2007, 1:40 p.m. CST

    TV series should be about

    by David Lazarus Long

    young Han Solo. Played by Nathan Fillion. Yes, yes, go ahead and tell me I'm a Firefly whore or a Whedon whore (despite Firefly being the only Whedon show I've ever watched), but anything other than the adventures of young Han would probably end up being too distant from the films to be universally accepted. Besides, there's SO much to tell about Han in his smuggler days. Have the pilot episode be Han as a stormtrooper and the rescue of Chewie. Badass. Another episode could be Han winning the Falcon from Lando. Another would be the story of his legendary Kessel run. Just don't let Lucas write the script. Or direct. @_@ And movies 7, 8 and 9 should be taken from Zahn's 'Thrawn' trilogy. Mara Jade, Talon Karde, Grand Admiral THRAWN(!!), Joruus C'Baoth... <p> Well, I can dream anyway.

  • March 4, 2007, 1:53 p.m. CST

    You can't say the prequels didn't have a plot, NHRonin

    by CTU Mole

    You might not have liked it but each film had a more complex story than the original trilogy combined.

  • March 4, 2007, 2:04 p.m. CST

    Typical Lucas

    by TiNSeLToWN TeRRoR

    Always diverting attention away from "whats current" on HIS agenda. He does this all the time people. You should be used to this by now! Deal with it. It's the way he works. For better or worse thats the way it goes. Oh well, still can't wait for all things star wars though. Books, video games, tv, toys. Anything. Oh yea indy 4 too.

  • March 4, 2007, 2:40 p.m. CST

    An empire without actors

    by rgatz

    I think a previous post nailed it. George is going to attempt a completely CGI series. This is nothing but a hunch, but it fits with directing "style." Also, having another individual become the character gives too much power away. Can't have those pesky contract renegotiations in the later seasons.

  • March 4, 2007, 2:51 p.m. CST

    The 2 hour pilot could be better than ROTS and AOTC

    by performingmonkey

    Seriously, the prequels felt like big TV movies anyway apart from huge sequences like the podrace and Maul/Obi/Qui duel from TPM. Just watch AOTC again (or maybe not, you don't want to bore yourself to death) and see how it's just a TV movie with better CG. It shows how they'll easily be able to pull off something fantastic for the 2 hour pilot of the live-action series and beyond (fuck knows what a 'filler' episode would be like, maybe a load of droids talking to each other and Wookiee boxing or something.) Anyway, Kashyyk and Alderaan would be good planets to feature in the series. Bail Organa and his wife (mother and father of Leia) could be major players along with Boba Fett and appearances from young Han and Lando.

  • March 4, 2007, 3:12 p.m. CST

    I hate to say it but........

    by Doc_Strange

    I think that one of the above posters was right about GL dying. I think that he has held the potential of the series back way too long. Seriously, we should have gotten eps 1-3 at least 6 years before they actually started. Plus the fact that he won't let anyone else take over. Cmon, there's quite a few talented directors who could make some great movies, possibly greater than the ones that we've seen already. Hell, pretty much every Star Wars geek has a story in their head. I think the problem is that GL is scared that someone could do it better and then he'd kind of lose power somewhere. But the fact remains that even if he let someone else take over the films, the money machine would be working overtime. Only thing they need to watch out for are the talentless directors such as Bay, Anderson, McG, & Boll. Oh yeah, and I don't think Spielberg would be a great choice either. His sensibilities lately prevent him from telling a great story because he doesn't have the balls to sacrifice key characters in order to further the story. All of his movies wrap up nice and neat and I don't think that's what the series needs right now.

  • March 4, 2007, 3:14 p.m. CST

    People are always writing off Lucas

    by Razorback

    And yet he keeps succeeding. People hated the prequels? Please. The opposite of what someone has said is true... more people like the prequels now when they were released. This is obvious as they have gained more ratings and DVD sales than the originals. Do not understimate the power of Lucas. He will continue to succeed even as people shit on him.

  • March 4, 2007, 3:18 p.m. CST

    "the odds are so great, and I can't write or direct"

    by IndustryKiller!

    THAT"S what he should have said. The odds are to great for him to direct films???!! Bullshit. The prequels were awful and they still turned a profit 80 fold. His problem is that he has completely lost the ability to write a decent movie on his own and he's too God damned arrogant to actually get anyones help so he fools himself into thinking that for George Lucas, billionare and magnate, the risk of making a movie is too high. Bullshit, he's just scared. the only thing he understand nowadays is technology and he knows it. And anyone who sayd that TV has more potential that film is either A. an idiot or B. hasn't watched television inte h last five years. The ratio of crap tv shows to good ones is probably exactly teh same if not higher on TV than it is in films. Unless it's on HBO art on television is an oxymoron and Lucas certainly isn't subversive enough to put a show on HBO. Even the biggest geek show on television, Heroes, is complete claptrap. So Lucas keep telling yourself that the future of entertainment isnt film, and we'll keep knowing that deep down you understand it's really because you are too much of a hack to make a decent film.

  • March 4, 2007, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Lucas is like the Emperor

    by Dazzler69

    It will be a great day when he is dead and for somebody with vision to take over the franchise.

  • March 4, 2007, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Man you think I would start spell checking

    by IndustryKiller!

    Knowing damn well I'm THE preimminent bad typist on the planet. Ahh well I got my point across.

  • March 4, 2007, 3:24 p.m. CST

    I am now known as "Neck Boy"

    by Bronx Cheer

    Thank you, jfp2006. It's always helpful when someone adds such dazzling intelligence to the conversation.

  • March 4, 2007, 3:30 p.m. CST

    Funny, that's the selling point of whores as well.

    by thelivingdoll

    "I just want to have a good time."

  • March 4, 2007, 3:34 p.m. CST

    CTU Mole...


    "You might not have liked it but each film had a more complex story than the original trilogy combined." -- When I read that, I thought it was just crazy talk, but I know you have your reasons for feeling that way. I'm hoping you'll explain what you mean. I'm keeping an open mind, here. Please tell me how you figure the new prequels had more complex stories than the whole OT.

  • March 4, 2007, 3:37 p.m. CST


    by David Lazarus Long

    You mean that the DVD sales of the prequels are beating out the DVD sales of the 'Special Editions'. Which are, for the most part, crap. If I want to watch Star Wars, I have to dig up my big heavy ass Laserdisc player. Watching Empire requires getting up no less than 5 times to switch/flip discs, but it's still better than enduring his 'retold vision' or whatever the fuck he calls it. Yea, yea, I know I can get the originals on DVD, but only if I feel like paying for the fuck special editions ALL OVER AGAIN. Really grinds my gears.

  • March 4, 2007, 3:37 p.m. CST

    "fuck you neck boy"

    by Joey P. Brenner

    probably the most succinct and satisfying talkback post I've read in some time.

  • March 4, 2007, 3:38 p.m. CST

    Some of you are just crazy

    by Orionsangels

    No one forced you to get so hung up on LUCAS's universe. Why do some of you take it so personal? Was your whole life depending on Star Wars being the way you wanted it to be? So Star Wars has become crap in your eyes. Sorry, but if your whole life was based on star wars and you go as far as to wish a man dead over it. You need help. Seriously, or get your own star wars world and live in it. The rest of us will live in reality.

  • March 4, 2007, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Ditto Decider

    by skydemon

    Who the hell cares anyway.

  • March 4, 2007, 3:50 p.m. CST

    As much as everyone complains about the prequels...

    by Flim Springfield young nephews love them and watch them all the time. I think it's time to just accept that we were no longer the target audience.

  • March 4, 2007, 3:59 p.m. CST

    And the only thing I dislike about British people

    by David Lazarus Long

    are British people. Love most of what comes out of there, hate the people that make it. Funny how that works, ain't it guv'na? <p> Oh, except Simon and Nick. They seem like cool guys. <p> I don't really want to *kill* George. Maybe just... maim him a little. You know. For my own satisfaction. Get a bunch of midgets to dress up in Ewok costumes and beat the shit out of him. Or better yet, cut off his hand. C'mon, everyone can appreciate the irony there. =D

  • March 4, 2007, 4:08 p.m. CST

    I dislike the prequels as much as the next guy...

    by blackmantis

    ...but you still have to give the guy his due for what he accomplished. The idiot above who said Lucas "has no clue, he was just lucky to be surrounded by creative people," needs to read Skywalkin'. He made THX, American Grafitti and Star Wars by the skin of his teeth using stone age equipment. Sure, a lot of people helped him make those films, but it was his creative vision that made it happen.

  • March 4, 2007, 4:15 p.m. CST


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  • March 4, 2007, 4:19 p.m. CST

    No longer the target audience?

    by David Lazarus Long

    I always thought one of the greatest things about Star Wars was that, as a kid, it was one of the few movies that my dad was just as crazy about as I was. I honestly can't see myself sitting down to watch the prequels with my kids and saying, "When these movies first came out, I was so blown away..." the way my dad did with me. The fact that an 8 year old kid and a 50 year old man (yes, there is that big of an age gap between us) could watch a movie with the same giddyness in their eyes is pretty special. Sadly, immediately after I saw TPM (I was 14, for the record, and at the height of my intense love for Star Wars), I knew I would never have quite the same experience with my kids. And that's a fucking shame.

  • March 4, 2007, 4:20 p.m. CST

    A Song of Ice and Fire

    by B Arthur

    Lucas would probably do best by supporting this project on HBO. For one, it's going to be much better written than a Star Wars live action. Its also exactly what he has been talking about, a series done on TV with film quality and plenty of special effects. So far this is the only series announced anywhere on TV that comes even close to what george has been talking about. If Lucas gets publicly involved with the SFX and they hire an a-list big draw actor for Eddard Stark I guarantee HBO would have another Sopranos on their hands.

  • March 4, 2007, 4:25 p.m. CST

    The Skywalkers are done, so no 7, 8 & 9!

    by HarryBlackPotter

    That's what Lucas said to some reporter. He also talked a lot about the new cartoon show set between eps 1 & 2. Sounds great George...zzzzzz. Looks like the 3D cartoon is a few years ago, and worse, the live action show won't go in production for ages and ages. Fucking hell. And he says Star Wars isn't dead? Well, maybe, but it's defiantely in a comma.

  • March 4, 2007, 4:53 p.m. CST

    The sustainability of a TV show is dependent...

    by Optimus Murphy

    ...on the writing. Somebody should let Lucas know that.

  • March 4, 2007, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Getting Off Lucas' Neck

    by spud mcspud

    I rolled over twice, and I was still on the bitch! ;D

  • March 4, 2007, 4:57 p.m. CST

    Neck sack

    by Elmore Rigby

    He looks more like Jabba the Hutt every day!

  • March 4, 2007, 5:03 p.m. CST

    The usual Lucas: non-committal, uninterested

    by spud mcspud

    The usual Lucas: non-committal, uninterested, and talking about the most interesting Star Wars stuff we've seen in decades as "a test". Yes, fanboys, those bucks you've been churning over to Lucasfilm to get your fix of the greatest saga ever started is actually used by Lucas to practice his rilly-keeeeeeewl new SFX on. Does anyone else feel like their loyalty to this particular director and his original vision is being pissed on from a great height? If this trend in apologising for Lucas and his shit-quels continues, 10 years from now Tarantino will release a film comprising solely of a blood-red screen and a soundtrack of women screaming, and the apologists will tell the critics that it's up to Q what he releases, he's earned the right, we've had great stories before, it won't taint the glories of PULP FICTION and KILL BILL, and if he tweaks the red screen to add a piece of grey matter on the 53rd re-release then it's his prerogative as an artist to fuck around with his own vision, even if the fans have paid thousands of bucks to collect every version released so far. Lucas doesn't care about his fans. Period. So fuck him and all those who apologise for him. You keep taking it from him and his shitty, "doing this as a test" B-list Star Wars ideas. I'll keep bitching and complaining because I paid for that right by buying tickets to those celluloid shitstains he calls sequels. Fuck him and his five chins. Over to you, Bronx Cheer.

  • March 4, 2007, 5:11 p.m. CST

    SK229 - The insanity of the apologists

    by spud mcspud

    Just read your mammoth rant on there. I agree with every damn word. Your ticket money pays for his ego trip. Exactly where did all these "tests" get him? Onto more projects for him to keep "testing" on. George Lucas could come to the houses of these apologists and beat them around the head with a rubber lightsaber dildo, and they'd still defend his artistic rights and suchforth bullshit. He fucked us over, and we - the fans - made him megarich. What we get in return is a trilogy that truly pisses on everything that was great about the originals. If, as an artist, he wasn't interested in making them great, why fucking make them at all? Because he had to prove to us all that they were HIS films, not ours. Well, the money he made out of us all was ours, too, in the beginning. We made him rich, he made shit prequels. No regard for the loyalty of the fans. Fuck George Lucas. You wouldn't take this from ANY OTHER DIRECTOR.

  • March 4, 2007, 5:20 p.m. CST


    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    I love how they use Lucas's EX-wife as proof that he is a no-talent hack who lucked himself into becoming a billionaire. He is supposed to be this shitty director, and yet he has been nominated for an Oscar. He is supposed to be this shitty writer, and yet he has created SW AND Indy! The director of ESB gets all the credit from GL haters, and GL gets all the ridicule for ROTJ! This is just some of the "objective" criticism of those that think that they can do better than GL. Is he perfect? Hell, no. But he has done so much for cinema that I think the portrayal of him as a lucky stumbling buffoon is purposely misleading. And finally if you don't like that shit that Lucas is putting out then fuck off and don't pay any of your money AGAIN to support his future projects.

  • March 4, 2007, 5:27 p.m. CST

    Re: The Neck

    by Vespalad

    Lucas has enough money, why not just get the damn thing removed? Is he waiting for special effects to improve enough to edit it out?

  • March 4, 2007, 5:29 p.m. CST

    Big question ......

    by livrule

    Do you think Lucas likes the prequels????? ...... Do you think he looks at them and sees good movies. If I had made them it would keep me awake at night ..... I would be SO aware that I had failed to make millions of loyal fans happy due to sloppy, bad story telling.

  • March 4, 2007, 5:35 p.m. CST

    Pop quiz

    by Wave Motion Gun

    Question: What does a person who hated the preqels feel when he talks to someone who enjoyed them? Answer: Jealousy. You know it's true.

  • March 4, 2007, 5:36 p.m. CST

    More staggering logic from the apologists - Darfur:

    by spud mcspud

    "And finally if you don't like that shit that Lucas is putting out then fuck off and don't pay any of your money AGAIN to support his future projects." Well, good advice, but I wanted to buy an untainted, non-Special Edition version of the original three Star Wars movies that I loved. It took 29 years for them to be released, and even THEN I had to buy the shit SE's with them (only available in 2-disc editions) - only to find that they were transferred from the laserdiscs!!! Compare to James Cameron's ALIENS: I can buy the original version, the SE, or the mammoth 9-disc Quadrilogy set. They're all there. He's not playing fucking games with release dates favouring one over another - he gives the comsumer the right to choose. And the reason we haters love Kirshner and Kasdan is that they took a great starting point and made EVEN BETTER sequels to them. George tried to prove he was better by making the prequels, and completely fucke them up. He's a hack. As an SFX guy he is the Don, a god among effects creators, but as a writer/director everything since 1985 has sucked - with the possible exception of Last Crusade. For fuck's sake, how much shit do you have to swallow from this guy! He isn't in it for the craft, or for passion in the stories he tells - it's the fucking MONEY! And that is what makes he, and his prequels, suck balls.

  • March 4, 2007, 5:36 p.m. CST


    by Wave Motion Gun

    better late than never

  • March 4, 2007, 5:36 p.m. CST


    by one9deuce

    Apparently you aren't paying attention. I don't think anyone here is saying that George Lucas wasn't a great writer and director. He was a brilliant writer and director. The second and third features of his career as writer/director are both all-time classics, and his first film is certainly a sci-fi classic. And he did create Indiana Jones and executive produced Raiders of the Lost Ark. All of this in the first 10 years of his career. <p> And then he changed. <p> He isn't that person anymore. Maybe because of the overwhelming success of Star Wars. Maybe because of his divorce. Maybe because most all great directors burn white-hot their first ten years and then burn-out. Maybe all those things, who knows.

  • March 4, 2007, 5:44 p.m. CST


    by spud mcspud

    Good point. Darfur cites that George Lucas has been nominated for an Oscar, therefore he is a brilliant director. Well, Martin Scorses is unquestioningly one of the greatest directors ever, and it took til THIS YEAR for him to get an Oscar. Not for Taxi Driver, not for Mean Streets... the Departed. Maybe he burned out his best stuff early on too, though his current run is light years ahead of Lucas'. He WAS one of the great auteurs with STAR WARS and INDY. I have no clue as to what happened to change him into the shadow of his former creative genius. I think, plain and simply, it's greed - and the need to prove that he doesn't have to give the fans what they want.

  • March 4, 2007, 5:46 p.m. CST

    James Cameron vs George Lucas

    by spud mcspud

    You know what's really scary? The scriptment for AVATAR is awesome - absolutely heartbreaking, breathtaking and amazingly original. but the last real sci-fi the guy has done was in 1989 with THE ABYSS. It pains me even to think it, but: what if AVATAR is his PHANTOM MENACE? I hope it isn't and that Lucas' phase is limited only to him, and not every other great director who is getting older and richer.

  • March 4, 2007, 6:12 p.m. CST

    I am not claiming that he is a god or anything...

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    ..but that he is competent and has produced some solid and dare I say it incredible work. But we all have our opinions on him. That is cool. But I do not think he is as bad as some are making him out to be. This is just my personal opinion, but prequel trilogy is good entertainment. Yes, there were faults to it. However, can we honestly say that we did not get our money's worth from these summer blockbusters? Once again, these movies have there faults, but so does the original trilogy! That is why I think that as the years pass, the prequels will be regarded in higher esteem. But again, if you are outraged by GL, then the best way to affect change is not on the forum, but to resolve NOT to buy GL's wares. But like the saying goes, you can't rape the willing....

  • March 4, 2007, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Nothing to worry about spud mcspud

    by one9deuce

    James Cameron is as fired up as ever to tell a great story, and Avatar is his lifelong dream project. He won't let us down.

  • March 4, 2007, 6:15 p.m. CST

    Get him Drunk

    by scarface319

    Somebody needs to get Mr Lucas Drunk and trick him into signing Star Wars over to somebody who cares!!!!

  • March 4, 2007, 6:17 p.m. CST

    An Artist Does Not Give a Damn about His Fans

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    Art for arts sake. An artist does not care for what his fans want, because their is no solid consensus what the fans want. And I think that is want GL has done. Make movies that he liked. I think that it is great when the work of the artist converge with the tastes of his audience. But sometimes the audience does not care about the artist as we are seeing now with his recent work.

  • March 4, 2007, 6:24 p.m. CST



    T2 doesn't count? Granted it was 2 parts action and 1 part Sci-Fi, but it's still Sci-Fi! Not to mention in the years since then, he did write Strange Days, his Spider Man, a draft of X-Men, wrote Bright Angel Falling, drew up some ideas for a 5th Alien project, created two different Mars projects (working with the Mars society,) began pre-production on Battle Angel, wrote/produced Dark Angel (lots of projects concerning Angels...) and has been working overtime creating everything he's going to need for Avatar and Battle Angel, both technically and narratively. Trust me, it's not like he's been out of the SF game. I sincerely doubt he'll show any signs of rust when Avatar starts shooting. Besides, you've read Avatar. Does there seem to be any real danger it will be as big a disappointment as Phantom Menace or Attack of the Clones???

  • March 4, 2007, 6:30 p.m. CST

    Darfur/Lightstormer - You're absolutely right

    by spud mcspud

    I think this could be Cameron's masterpiece, and the scriptment certainly looks that way. Major oops on the T2 front - I'm counting only stuff that made it on-screen, not stuff he only wrote or co-produced, though it's embarrassing that I missed T2!!! Although, my personal favourite is still T1, I think T3 is very under-rated (loved the ending - they went there!) and wasn't awestruck by T2 - was a great movie, but light on story and heavy on action set-pieces. Did anyone else think that the action in TRUE LIES felt like a continuaion of T2? No? Just me, then. Either way, Christian-batinig bad archaeology aside, Cameron is the man for 21st century sci-fi. At least until the Wachowskis re-up. Hate all you want - I LOVED the Matrix trilogy. Yes, all three of them.

  • March 4, 2007, 6:32 p.m. CST

    The problem is that he's not an artist, he's worse...


    ...he's a businessman. And it really seems as though GL's focus these past ten years (or more) is obviously on product as opposed to art. If he, as a producer, wants to market the shit out of everything he can create and stick in his movies, that's his prerogative. But it taints his decisions as a director and writer. You're right in that an artist should be thinking of his work and not popular consensus on what his work should be. But it's not popular consensus that distracted him from his work, it was his prioritizing its marketablity. They're close, but they're not really the same thing. Frankly, I'd have come away with a lot more respect for him if he HAD bowed to his fans and took more of their input to heart during the making of the films. All he did instead was plow ahead George-Bush-style and shrug at any news of public opinion. Just because it's his ship and not ours doesn't mean we can't tell he's steering it badly.

  • March 4, 2007, 6:56 p.m. CST

    The most incredible thing of all...

    by Bronx Cheer

    ...was how deep into the talkback it took for someone to get back on the neck. I think "Fuck you neck boy" is probably one of the greatest things I have ever encountered on AICN. I also appreciate spud mcspud's many takes on the whole imbroglio. Anyone who would unleash Jar Jar Binks on the world, without realizing how incredibly racist he was being in the process, that person deserves a neck pouch to carry his shame around in. A marsupial of shame, that's what George Lucas is. The Neck--the other white meat.

  • March 4, 2007, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Honestly, I'm glad its gonna take years for this

    by Deus Vult

    Because from episode one straight through to cancellation EVERYONE on this site will pan the series and I'll get sick of reading about it, no matter how bad the show actually is.<p>THANKS LUCAS, PLEASE KEEP UP THE DELAYS!

  • March 4, 2007, 7:04 p.m. CST

    George Lucas raped my TV

    by Amy Chasing

    is what talkbackers are going to be saying if these series have the ambiance of the prequels. It'd be nice if Star Wars would give us some characters we could actually give a damn about again.

  • March 4, 2007, 7:13 p.m. CST

    George Lucas keeps raping my wallet

    by spud mcspud

    I keep telling him to take his pecker out of my wallet, but it keeps on happening!

  • March 4, 2007, 7:16 p.m. CST

    George's Wallet

    by Bronx Cheer

    is in his neck. That's why it keeps growing!

  • March 4, 2007, 7:18 p.m. CST

    first post...and its a SW rant

    by Holden McWeeney

    What I've never really seen anyone else articulate is this: George Lucas was LAZY for making the prequel trilogy. Whatever he may have brought forth in the way of innovation, he completely fudged up in the way of story. Why make a prequel trilogy when the whole audience has basically been told the set-up in the original trilogy? Why would anyone care to see three movies in where you know whats going to happen in the story arc from film to film? It takes all the drama and suspense right out of it. Lucas could have been edgier and more daring by advancing the story line of the SW universe. Not give us a paint-by-numbers rehash of what happened before the original trilogy. And HELL, if you ARE gonna do that...why not break with convention and at least challenge the perceptions of the backstory? But Lucas didnt even try that. No. He gives us Jar-Jar and third-grade fart and poop jokes. He gives us midichloirians. Something that completely annhilates the mystical side of the Force by applying a stupid Mr.Science explanation to it. Oh, and dont even get me started on the whole Christ birth similarities with Annikin... Lucas musta had temporary brain freeze from one too many trips to the local Dairy Queen with that one. George can imagineer a universe and can give us plenty of gee-whiz bang effects, but he cant hang a decent story on any of it to save his ass. And like rats at the feeder bar, his fanbase keeps chomping up whatever hes dispensing. It would be nice of Lucas to remember that his original fanbase grew up sometime after the original trilogy last lit up the cinema. Because hes been treating all of them like their still 10 years old.

  • March 4, 2007, 7:22 p.m. CST

    Guaranteed Run

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    I heard that GL will only give distribution rights to the network that guarantees to show all the episodes of the series. This way, they'll be NO talk of cancellations etc... GL probably will pull it off also. Perhaps Fox will bite?

  • March 4, 2007, 7:22 p.m. CST

    George Raped my childhood???

    by Evil_Imp

    You CAN'T rape the willing. remember that. move along, move along

  • March 4, 2007, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Politics must have motivated him

    by Bronx Cheer

    Remember that Lucas came of age during a very turbulent time in the US. In fact, he was supposed to direct "Apocalypse Now" but Coppola snuck it away from him. That betrayal caused a rift that took years to mend. I think the opportunity to portray a free republic turning to totalitarianism was too much for him to resist. The guy does love a good cautionary tale.

  • March 4, 2007, 7:37 p.m. CST

    Maybe so, Bronx Cheer...

    by Holden McWeeney

    ...but the WAY the story was told was just dumb as a bag of hammers. Showing the rise of Palpatine thru the three movies was just painful. NO ONE in the universe can see this guy is consolidating a powerbase and selling everyone down the river? Its NEVER happened before on any of the myriad of planets in all the systems of the Republic? Riiiiiighht. And the Jedis, who are supposedly the wisest guys in the room, are completely dumbfounded by the guys motives? You could lose a fleet of earthmovers in that plothole, George. Go back to your coloring books, Lucas. And next time, stay inside the lines.

  • March 4, 2007, 7:47 p.m. CST

    I didn't say it was good!

    by Bronx Cheer

    The prequels sucked as movies. They are awesome as conversation starters. And I never said Lucas was a good writer; he's lousy. And even though I readily acknowledge his many innovations, I don't think anyone who keeps his wallet in his neck can be considered intelligent. You know what I'm waiting for? I'm waiting to hear Lucas say, in 2012 when he finally gets a live SW series to air, "The movies were actually a test for the TV series. I always envisioned it as a one hundred episode story. I was never able to realize my original vision in the films. Now I finally have a canvas large enough for my wallet...I mean, my art."

  • March 4, 2007, 7:46 p.m. CST

    Us so-called "Lucas Haters" are mad because

    by Darth Thoth

    for whatever reasons, we love Star Wars. And it's human to get upset when something you love dearly is tampered with and destroyed. I could understand if Lucas just "lost his touch" and that explains why everything after Empire failed to hit the mark (even though Jedi is still a very good movie and I personally think Sith was even better, though not without its glaring faults). But no, there are clear and well documented reasons as to why this series fell off. And all of them can be reduced to Lucas' ego and greed. His story is that of Darth Vader's. He was tempted and fell. That explains cutting off past collaborators, changing a focus from storytelling to marketing possibilities, etc. That callous mentality leads to pride and stubborness. That's why he's developed a hate for fans of late (i.e.- screwing with us over the non-Special Edition OT, etc.). It's bitterness. But moving on, for me the saddest part about these prequels are what could have been. Lucas' original genius created arguably the greatest sci-fi fantasy universe ever. With the OT, we believed because the movies took themselves seriously. That's why kids AND adults loved them. The Prequels laughed at themselves (um, fart jokes anyone). They were a disappointing pill to swallow like none other, for us fans who have waited years to see Ep. 1-3, things we've envisioned in our minds' eyes for years, play out on the big screen. Disappointment isn't the word. But again, it didn't have to be. All the potential the Prequels promised were flushed down the toilet for the sake of the quick buck. And that is what continues to guide him today as he seeks to continue draining Star Wars and Indy out of every last dollar they can produce instead of venturing into new projects and possibilities. But in closing, George... my criticisms of you have always been out of deep hurt and love for your work. It's not too late. Sure, the prequels are over. But you can return to the days of yesteryear and return to form as a truly innovative filmmaker (we saw flashes in Sith). You have enough money. What is your legacy going to be? It's your choice. There was a time when I didn't have to defend Star Wars to others but now I have to because of the prequels. But it's never too late for redemption. Isn't that what you taught us in Jedi? And so I challenge you sir. Trust me, we will forgive. Family always does. But it's your choice. Come home George. Come home...

  • March 4, 2007, 8:02 p.m. CST

    ...And Yet We Will be Tuning In Each Week...

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    scary isn't it?

  • March 4, 2007, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Not me. I don't watch TV.

    by Bronx Cheer

    It makes it easy to avoid crap if you don't stick your head in the toilet.

  • March 4, 2007, 8:19 p.m. CST

    Retrospectively, TPM is the best prequel

    by performingmonkey

    I dare you to watch it again, especially if it's been a while. Compare it to the piece of shit that is Revenge of the Sith and it feels like a) a real movie, b) a Star Wars movie (even though it's not a great Star Wars movie it's still a Star Wars movie which is more than can be said for the utter joke that is Sith and the mess of Clones). Palpatine is a great character in TPM, Lucas ruined him in Sith by making him this mental guy, you don't believe for a second that he could have taken power like that whereas in TPM the looks he gives and the pieces falling into place give you chills. The Maul fight is fucking fantastic. You can't deny when you first saw it that you were blown away, and looking at it now it's still amazing. So what do we get in AOTC? CG Yoda flipping around and spouting dialogue worthy of an SNL parody. Also, Anakin is this pussy teen when even at that age he should be the ultimate badass. There was little change in ROTS either. We should be thinking 'yes, he IS the greatest Jedi that's ever lived, even better than Yoda' instead you just don't give a fuck if he turns to the dark side. While watching ROTS I was wondering whether I'd sacrifice the whole of the original trilogy just to have Anakin DIE here in ROTS and not become Darth Vader. He isn't worthy of Darth Vader.

  • March 4, 2007, 8:30 p.m. CST

    Sorry, performingmonkey...

    by Bronx Cheer

    ...but the skid marks in a four-year-old kid's Spider-man underoos are more interesting than the drivel that are the Prequels.

  • March 4, 2007, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Darth Vader and Hannibal Lecter RIP.

    by W3bzpinn3r

    Both characters' mysticism was destroyed by their creators' attempt at an origin story. When will Hollywood learn that you don't need EVERY detail of a character's life to enjoy the story. <p> Not only do I have no respect for Vader now, but I find Padme to be a horrible, weak-willed, self-centered woman who had no business getting pregnant. She died just because her husband turned out bad. She abandoned her infant children. She is a horrid mother. Nothing like the picture Leia painted in ROTJ of a caring but sad person. Now had Vader's choking killed her, I would have actually enjoyed the ending more. Vader would have been the alcoholic who beat his wife and when he sobered up, realized what an arse he truly was. <P> Hannibal, well, he's psycho coz vagrants ate his sister? I prefer the explaination from SOTL that he's evil without a qualifiable reason. It makes him far more interesting.

  • March 4, 2007, 8:54 p.m. CST


    by Darth Thoth

    Add to your theory Boba Fett, who in my opinion became less cool when we learned of his origin in Attack of the Clones. (Not to mention his pointless appearance in Ep. 4 Special Edition)

  • March 4, 2007, 9:16 p.m. CST

    Yes, I have

    by David Lazarus Long

    watched Phantom Menace again. When I first saw it (at the ripe ol' age of 14) I thought it was pretty cheesy, but it ended with a sweet lightsaber fight, which was all my short attention span could remember for the next 6 months. Rewatching it now, I wonder how I even made it without falling asleep. The dialogue... oh, GOD the dialogue... It's SO. FREAKIN'. BAD. All the special effects and lightsaber battles in the UNIVERSE couldn't save that movie. Let alone all the contradictions he made in regard to the OT... Whatever. I'm drunk, don't listen to me.

  • March 4, 2007, 9:16 p.m. CST

    I still think Lucas is a good idea man...

    by rbatty024

    but he's terrible in execution. I understand what he was trying to do with the prequels, but his inept directing got in the way. I liked the idea of seeing a complete innocent move to the dark side. Too bad the dialogue was so heavy handed that his reasoning and turn was not convincing. It was a good idea turned to shit. Let Lucas produce but give directing a rest and let other more talented people handle the details.

  • March 4, 2007, 9:34 p.m. CST

    One thing I forgot

    by Hercules

    The fest screened a montage incorporating footage from all six "Star Wars" movies. At dinner afterward Obi-Swan pointed out that there was a heretofore unseen shot of a CGI (not puppet) Yoda saying lines from "Phantom Menace." So I guess we're not too far from seeing a special edition of Episode I ...

  • March 4, 2007, 9:38 p.m. CST

    I knew it, I fucking knew it!

    by rbatty024

    I've been telling everyone for years that Lucas purposefully made shitty prequels so that he could unspool some special edition shit on the public. I read somewhere that Christianson tried to actually play Anakin as a badass, but that Lucas kept on wanting him to play the character like a whiny teenager. I bet Lucas has all these takes on digital and will release slightly less shitty versions of these movies in the next few years...Lucaaaaaaaaaaas!

  • March 4, 2007, 9:41 p.m. CST

    And the recycling continues

    by Bronx Cheer

    I bet Lucas saves each bowel movement that he makes and ten years later shoves it back up and shits it out again. There's a special edition for you.

  • March 4, 2007, 9:50 p.m. CST

    Bronx Cheer, I agree

    by graycove

    So true.

  • March 4, 2007, 9:54 p.m. CST


    by one9deuce

    The Phantom Menace IS the best prequel. Which just goes to show how unbelievably bad Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith are. TPM has the only interesting characters in the entire Prequel Trilogy: Darth Maul and Qui-Gon Jinn. Who are both summarily killed off.

  • March 4, 2007, 9:55 p.m. CST

    exsqueeze mesa!!!!

    by datachasm

    my theory is that Lucas let his kids write the prequels... lol. sloppy work! another problem was not directing his actors, sure. ewans character got screwed from the get go by chopping up his part to give to liam, who was a complete waste of time in the movies. chris lee was robbed, a great star with a crappy character. palpatine is a mixed bag... but he was the coolest thing about 3 and thats not saying alot, the actor was top notch but again the character is just going thru the motions. and dont get me started on darth maul... omg what a waste of a great character! finally, the saving grace of the tv show maybe there are no jedis, i hope. the originals... the lighsaber was very cool, but had some weight... was dangerous, especially in ESB, but in the prequels it was a toy, it flipped around to make a cool noise over and over. it was light, and using it was a game...

  • March 4, 2007, 9:57 p.m. CST

    Yes, and here's what made them so great

    by Bronx Cheer

    Darth Maul had corn in it from last night's Mexican food, and Qui-Gon Jinn was a little runny because of all the hot sauce it's creator ingested. (Okay, they were actually okay for Lucas, and look what the jackal did to them! If he'd had some other decent characters lined up, fine, it's good drama to kill off a character here and there, but with nothing else to bank on, he should have let them live.)

  • March 4, 2007, 9:59 p.m. CST

    Oops..."its" not "it's"

    by Bronx Cheer

    It won't happen again.

  • March 4, 2007, 10:22 p.m. CST

    Qui Gon

    by David Lazarus Long

    was supposed to be the Obi-wan to Obi-wan. I mean, he's the same fucking character. Except he didn't help Obi-wan do SHIT, he just gave Obi-wan the ridiculous idea of training that malicious little fuck Jake Lloyd. <p> Maybe it's the wine talking but saying 'Obi-wan' that many times makes me realize what a ridiculous name 'Obi-wan' is. Obi... Wan. <p> O_O; Ok, I'm going to stop now. Prequels were shit. Thanks, I'll be here all week. Try the veal.

  • March 4, 2007, 10:24 p.m. CST

    On a completely unrelated note

    by David Lazarus Long

    isn't 'Qui Gon' what they call that uhh... 'sport' where you lift weights with your scrote? <p> God, that makes me laugh.

  • March 4, 2007, 10:31 p.m. CST

    The Jedis were jerks. Qui Gon was Obi Wan

    by superninja

    if Obi Wan was an amoral douchebag.

  • March 4, 2007, 10:33 p.m. CST

    Ewan McGregor coasted by on his unbelievable personal

    by superninja

    charm. He has so much of it, he almost makes any movie watchable. MacGregor's Obi-Wan is the biggest waste of the prequels - he was so perfectly cast and Lucas blew it.

  • March 4, 2007, 10:33 p.m. CST

    The Jedi were jerks. I agree.

    by Bronx Cheer

    There's nothing wrong with the name Obi-Wan though. Every hear the Japanese language spoken?

  • March 4, 2007, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Ewan kept his wallet

    by Bronx Cheer

    in George's neck also.

  • March 4, 2007, 10:34 p.m. CST

    Darth Maul is the Venom of Star Wars.

    by superninja

    He is it's Doomsday. He's a lame freakin' gimmick and a non-character.

  • March 4, 2007, 10:35 p.m. CST

    I have no problem with Obi Wan. He's a great

    by superninja

    character. The fact that Ewan comes so close to Guinness's Obi-Wan is something I'm sure we have 100% Ewan to thank for.

  • March 4, 2007, 10:36 p.m. CST

    In hindsight, TPM is in fact the best Prequel film...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    ...But that's not to say it's a good movie either. The Phantom Menace is the most INTERESTING of the three, because Lucas attempted to introduce new elements into the canon. He wanted to give us something new, but the problem was, of course, the execution of the writing, directing, acting. While AOTC seemed to be the better movie, on the surface, it's boring to rewatch and has several pointless sequences that contribute nothing to advancing the story (like the "zany" and gimmicky moment when C3PO, Padme and Anakin are on the droid factory conveyor belt). ROTS was too little too late. And I was never convinced that Anakin was really Darth Vader or that Padme was the mother of Luke and Leia -- they just seemed like two college kids dressing up as Vader and Leia for Halloween. Here's another test: How many of the spacecraft in the Prequels stand out for you as much as the ones in the OT (e.g., the Millennium Falcon, the X-Wings, the TIE Fighters, SLAVE-1, the AT-ATs)? The only one that comes to my mind is the Naboo Starfighter or whatever it's called, and Padme's shiny dildo-ish passenger ship.

  • March 4, 2007, 10:40 p.m. CST

    Agreed about TPM. There was at least some

    by superninja

    kind of thought process going on there, summarily dropped for the most part through the rest of the films. Ultimately, these films only disparaged the SW universe and everything we were lead to believe about the Force and the Jedi. It's so inconsistent it's a joke and it sucked all of the magic right out of being a jedi knight, that's for sure.

  • March 4, 2007, 10:40 p.m. CST

    I'm so glad the Emperor did something about

    by superninja

    those damn jedi!

  • March 4, 2007, 10:40 p.m. CST


    by David Lazarus Long

    I'm actually an insane lover of all things Japanese, first and foremost thier language. However, I dislike when Japanese names are spoken in American dialect... Examples being: basically any English dubbed anime ever produced, but even more-so in newer things where everything is very proper English until they say a character's name and *try* to form it the same way, but it just sounds so out of place. Either keep the original language in place or Americanize it completely. Enough of this half/half crap. <p> But yes. I love the idea of the name 'Obi-wan', but it really is a silly name. Say it like 20 times over and over in your head. HOW FUNNY IS IT NOW? <p> ...yes, I've had far too much wine.

  • March 4, 2007, 10:45 p.m. CST

    The Jedi were samurai, and samurai were

    by Bronx Cheer

    kind of odd. As Danny Elfman noted in a great Oingo Boingo song, reptiles and samurai are very similar.

  • March 4, 2007, 10:51 p.m. CST

    Lucas' track record on television...

    by Prof. Pop-Cult

    ...Just hasn't been good. Never mind the Star Wars Holiday Special (which is so bad that it's rightfully good). Look at the rest: The well-produced but mostly dull edutainment series Young Indy; the two Ewok movies; the Ewok and Droids cartoon series. Maybe the two cartoon shows should be dismissed, admittedly. But so far Clone Wars is the exception, and Lucas was apparently not directly involved with the creative direction of that -- but it's a cartoon. So just looking at Young Indy and the Ewok films, I can't say I have much confidence in the live-action Star Wars series.

  • March 4, 2007, 10:53 p.m. CST

    That would've actually been interesting, Bronx.

    by superninja

    If you can make a case for Lucas really going in that direction other than most superficially, please do.

  • March 4, 2007, 10:59 p.m. CST

    Which one? Neck-as-wallet pouch?

    by Bronx Cheer

    You mean the samurai thing. I figured that was well-known. I think I've even read an interview where he mentioned the echo. Warriors with swords patrolling and keeping the piece for the Emperor, and living by a code, and being bad dinner guests. Samurai or Jedi. Sounds the same to me.

  • March 4, 2007, 11:02 p.m. CST

    Here's one tidbit, superninja.

    by Bronx Cheer You should know this, though, as you are NINJA.

  • March 4, 2007, 11:05 p.m. CST

    HERC, that CG Yoda is TPM clip is on the OT DVD set

    by George Newman

    That clip is nothing too new. I might be mixed up about which dvd (it could be on the ROTS dvd). I havent watch any of those special features in a long while

  • March 4, 2007, 11:05 p.m. CST

    He strikes me as one of those people that wants

    by superninja

    to be his kid's friend instead of their dad. Anakin's turn was very murky when it should've been deliberate and premeditated every step of the way just based on Vader in the OT alone. It makes his redemption at the end that much more powerful. Just like Han shooting Greedo first actually shows what kind of person he was BEFORE he was influenced to be a better person by Luke and the Rebel Alliance.

  • March 4, 2007, 11:09 p.m. CST

    Bronx, as I said, superficial.

    by superninja

    It was Western ideas packaged as Eastern. It worked well in the OT, but then Lucas tried to flesh it out and muddied the pond philosophically, kind of like the Matrix sequels. My opinion anyway.

  • March 4, 2007, 11:14 p.m. CST

    The Holiday Special

    by Jim Jam Bongs

    It had Chewie's family; Mark Hamill with too much make-up staring into the camera like a deer caught in headlights; a glassy-eyed, coked-out Carrie Fisher singing "Life Day"; Harrison Ford with a shit-eating "how the fuck did they get me to appear in this?" grin; and Bea Arthur as the owner of Mos Eisley... let me repeat: we learned that Bea Fuckin' Arthur owns Mos Eisley! I'm still waiting for Hasbro to produce a Bea Arthur action figure.

  • March 4, 2007, 11:18 p.m. CST

    They're saving the Bea Arthur character

    by Bronx Cheer

    for the Super Duper Special Edition.

  • March 4, 2007, 11:22 p.m. CST

    Bea Arthur in a golden bikini at the Pod Races

    by superninja

    coming to a special edition near you!

  • March 4, 2007, 11:25 p.m. CST

    superninja, after that, I am calling it a night.

    by Bronx Cheer

    Bea Arthur in the gold bikini. That image will be with me for the rest of my life. Thank you, superninja.

  • March 4, 2007, 11:26 p.m. CST

    Good night, Talkbackers.

    by Bronx Cheer

    It's been fun.

  • March 5, 2007, 12:32 a.m. CST

    News Series About Jabba

    by Professor Krapp

    It's gonna be called That Darn Jabba, and it's going to be about the Hut in his college days, living in a fraternity with all kinds of wacky aliens, including a young pledge named Solo.

  • March 5, 2007, 1:03 a.m. CST

    Then There WIll Be a Jar Jar Spinoff

    by Professor Krapp

    Can't wait for that one.

  • March 5, 2007, 1:18 a.m. CST

    "Bea Arthur as the owner of

    by LeviDTinker

    "Bea Arthur as the owner of Mos Eisley... let me repeat: we learned that Bea Fuckin' Arthur owns Mos Eisley! I'm still waiting for Hasbro to produce a Bea Arthur action figure." and "Bea Arthur in a golden bikini at the Pod Races" Thats got to be about the funniest thing ive read in a long time.

  • March 5, 2007, 1:25 a.m. CST

    i just was wondering

    by LeviDTinker

    i wonder when Bea Arthur look alike will be out on hollywood blvd with Jail House Chewbacca,begging for Tips. i tell you the funniest thing ever was watching Chewbacca shout to elmo as he was being arrested " hey Elmo Call my MOM" and Jailhouse Elmo saying "Iam Calling NOW CHEWI!!"(in a fake elmo voice none the less.

  • March 5, 2007, 2:07 a.m. CST


    by mr. brownstone

    actually Star Wars was funded and released by FOX so it is the exact opposite of an indie film.

  • March 5, 2007, 2:39 a.m. CST

    It so funny to sit back and witness you dipshits whine

    by Mr. Charmand Grimloch

    I love how the people who constantly whine about Lucas are the ones who never cease posting ad nauseum the supposed disgust they feel with either the prequels or the entire concept of Star Wars in general. Yeah, "no one liked the prequels", ok. Sure. Thats why the box office was staggering, and people continue to discuss them. Lets get this clear, ok fuckwits? ALL of you will get down on your hands and knees and eat Lucas' shit if he commands it, got that? You've been doing so for the whole of your miserable, basement masturbating lives, so get off the fucking high horse of pretension that you won't somehow take a C-3P0 doll up the ass if ordered to. Star Wars is a great series, and Lucas is an innovator in the industry. Other than jerk off to photos of Natalie Portman, what have any of you goofy cocksuckers ever done? Yeah, I thought so. Nothing.

  • March 5, 2007, 3:35 a.m. CST

    WOAH! I completely forgot that George "Teh Fuk?" Lucas

    by Motoko Kusanagi

    did not only fuck up the prequels but also fucked up the old trilogy with the ultra-annoying and pointless special editions. DAMN YOU LUCAS! DAMN YOU!!!

  • March 5, 2007, 6:20 a.m. CST

    Heaven-fucking-forbid we should have an OPINION!!

    by theoneofblood

    Oh Mr. Charmand Grimloch, truly you must live a simple and innocent life. Let me break it down for you nice and simple. <p> We are consumers operating in a semi-free market. This means that we CHOOSE what we wish to purchase. I don't know if you know this or not, but not being able to create a certain product does not negate your ability to critique it. Product is created FOR THE CONSUMER. <p> I'll give you an example. I go to a sex shop and buy some new anal lubricant. The ads claim it's "The smoothest ride ever!" and "Pure penetration perfection!". The lube has been made by a company who have served me well in the past. So I'm looking forward to the sensation that this new product promises to deliver. <p> However, upon using the lube and getting my boyfriend good and ready, I suddenly realize that the lubricant is studded with tiny slivers of glass that rip my anus into bloody ragged shreds. <p> Now being a sensible consumer I fucking sue the ass off of the company and swear never to buy another one of their products again. I write reviews on the appropriate websites retelling my woeful encounter and finding out that many others share my opinion. Suddenly, some asshole shows up and starts bitching about our complaints; <p> "Whiny fags! Could you do better? NO?! You mean you're not a certified lubricant manufacturer? Then shut the fuck up! Only people who MAKE shit can talk about it. Everyone else just has to deal with a bloody sphincter!" <p> Long story short, fuck you neck boy.

  • March 5, 2007, 6:26 a.m. CST

    The prequels

    by Lost Prophet

    whoever keeps saying it isn't rape if you consent is wrong. To begin with, that is a pretty vile comparison and secondly it is not accurate- this is what the prequels were in those terms: <p> woman consents to sex and the guy "accidentally" slips it up her wrong 'un. Sure, she consented to the sex, but she sure as hell didn't consent to the arse pounding. Ergo, she was raped. <p> And this "Special Edition" with cool stuff that didn't make the cut we got to see is the equivalent of said rapist wiping his shit-smeared cock in her hair, taking £50 from her wallet and asking her to thank him for his generosity. <p> The whole sad fiasco makes me sad and cross. Although I am mostly angry with myself for paying to see all 3 in the Cinema after the TPM because I was fooling myself that they would get better. And sites/ reviews lied to me about how "good" they were.

  • March 5, 2007, 6:39 a.m. CST

    Lost Prophet...


    ...your post reminded me of an old joke: How do you make a Jewish woman scream twice? You f**k her in the ass and wipe your d*ck on the drapes. PS: How do you guys do that clever line-skipping thing in the Talkbacks again? Somebody told me before but I can't remember.

  • March 5, 2007, 6:45 a.m. CST

    still true though

    by Lost Prophet

    Glad you liked it. <p> regarding the paragraphs: It's a HTML command, basically do this: <p> "less than" symbol then the letter "p" then the "greater than" symbol. Hope that helps.

  • March 5, 2007, 6:48 a.m. CST


    by theoneofblood

    I shouldn't have found that nearly as funny as I did. Kudos. <p> Paragraphs are basically achieved through the use of these symbols "<" "p" ">" without the spaces or quotation marks. Enjoy.

  • March 5, 2007, 7:19 a.m. CST


    by Lost Prophet

    all is good. Went travelling and am now back to spread the truth. <p> Still waiting on The MAN-CATS. <p> Hope all is well with you.

  • March 5, 2007, 7:42 a.m. CST

    Mr Charmand Grimloch

    by spud mcspud

    The prequels box-office was staggerring because of the countless disillusioned OT fans going to TPM to see if it was any good, to AOTC to see if it could get any worse, and to ROTS just to see how truly fucking awful it could actually be. They were rewarded on all counts, by a celluloid clusterfuck so perfect in its godawfulness that no auteur will ever be able to fuck his fans over this comprehensively ever again. So what the fuck have YOU ever done? Name the work of genius YOU managed to get up on the silver screen, and we'll all whine and bitch about that. Fuck you, neck boyo.<p> Oh, and hi poeticwarrior, you are almost as bitter as I am over this whole thing. DAMN YOU GEORGE LUCAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAS!!!!

  • March 5, 2007, 7:51 a.m. CST

    Whilst I am on this

    by Lost Prophet

    There is no such thing as a "best" prequel. There is, on the other hand, a "least shit". <p>TPM was dire. I cannot adaquetly sum up the massive sense of disappointment I had when the music started the scrolling text appeared and... it was all about a FUCKING TAX DISPUTE IN THE OUTER RIM. Not to mentiont that the climactic scene was a *yawn* vote of no confidence. It was like watching today at westminster. I've used this analogy before but TPM was the equivalent of buying a porn mag and then getting home to find some twat had slipped a copy of the economist inside the dust cover. It did, however, have the three way lightsaber battle that was a highpoint that the other two didn't have. <p>For the record, my order is ROTS (least shit- but nonetheless, still shit), TPM (unbearably shit), AOTC (So shit it should carry a health warning). <p>And whoever thinks they are getting better with age is deluding themselves. They, unlike fine wine, haven't improved one iota and are, in fact, still shit. <p>rant over, sorry about that.

  • March 5, 2007, 7:56 a.m. CST

    Interesting idea

    by LickMyBeets

    Finally I'll get to see Corellia.

  • March 5, 2007, 8:16 a.m. CST

    Lost Prophet - Don't Be Ashamed of Your Lucas Hate

    by spud mcspud

    Don't be ashamed to hate the prequels! Bring your Lucas hate into the light. Show it to the talkbacks. Understand your hate, nurture it. It is the closest thing to Quality Control that the Skywalker Ranch is EVER likely to encounter. This is what happens when no-one says no to you for thirty years - you become George Lucas.<p> GAAAAAHHHHHH! DAMN YOU GEORGE LUCAAAAAAAAAAAAAS!!!

  • March 5, 2007, 9:07 a.m. CST

    I'll always be a fan of the prequels...

    by dr_buggerlugs

    ...but there seemed to be no real cohesion to the three movies; unlike the OT and Vader, there was no ongoing villain to the three films, no ongoing antagonist, instead we got a series of characters who kept dropping like flies (Yes there was Palpatine but the whole point was that we didn't see him in evil mode till film 3) - Lucas had Maul, Dooku, Jango Fett and Greivious...hell even Viceroy Gunray - one of those should have been the main ongoing badguy for 3 films who was then dispatched paving the way for Vader/Palpatine in film 3. Also we didn't have any real antagonist force for the 3 of the beauties of the OT was it was simply Empire vs Rebellion. In TPM we had a Trade Federation? Eh? It was until the end of film 2 we had the CIS, but again they should have established that in film 1 - Republuic vs Insurgents...Simple. Also Anakin should have started as a 15 year old kid and other things but I've got too much work to spend time writing about them.

  • March 5, 2007, 9:28 a.m. CST

    The Clone Wars cartoon, aka the "test"...

    by howstone

    was better than 75% of the crap that Lucas spit out in the Prequels because the Emperor did what he should have done all along: gave a creative mind (Tartovsky) a starting point, a plot and an end and let him go nuts. I'm sure if Lucas called Lawrence Kasdan and asked him to help out, he'd have dropped "Dreamcatcher" in a heartbeat. And no, it's not jealousy that moved the Prequel-haters to complain like this. It's the fact that for a lot of us, what is now known as Episode Four (and to a slightly lesser extent, Empire and Return) was an important part of our childhoods, and Episodes 1-3 took some of that signficance from us.

  • March 5, 2007, 9:46 a.m. CST

    clone wars cartoon

    by just pillow talk

    definitely better than the movies. It made characters badass and with purpose. The Jedi were not weak (not just stand there and take a light sabre to the chest) and Greivious was a powerful adversary, not a coward. I just re-watched ROTS, and there was so many missed opportunities. Perhaps Star Wars is the one that should get the reboot and not Trek.

  • March 5, 2007, 9:53 a.m. CST


    by DoubleFantasy

    ...has created a universe that i have never been happier in. This isnt politics - who cares if there were this and that in the prequels or whetever the pathetic little kids on this site whine about next. George Lucas deserves eternal credit for creating the most fantastic movie universe in the history of film making. Oh.... the script was this and that and it was all this and blah blah blah... Maybe he didnt really intend to write a deep and meaningful storyline - maybe... ...just maybe... ...he wanted us to have fun. Ironic that the majority of posters on this sadly shit website seem to be depressed, sad, lonely and very angry. Star Wars has made me smile more than any set of films in history - and if it wasnt for George Lucas the world would be a much more boring world. But what the hell am i even talking about this for - i give it at least 3 posts before someone else with no money or talent starts to slag him off again...

  • March 5, 2007, 10:09 a.m. CST

    It's true that Lucas has created a great universe...

    by rbatty024

    but people aren't complaining because they don't like this world, they're complaining because they like it a lot. As I mentioned earlier, Lucas is still a good idea man, but he really needs to leave the nitty gritty stuff to someone else. Writing isn't something you can just forget about for decades and then all of a sudden get back into the saddle. He's always had a problem directing actors and this problem has only been exacerbated by time. Lucas needs to collaborate and nowhere has this problem been more evident than in the prequels. I'm not as hard on Lucas as some people because I really do appreciate the original films, even the special editions, and nothing he does will take that away. I'm really hoping this television project will work out for the best.

  • March 5, 2007, 10:33 a.m. CST

    To all of you complaining...

    by Double-Oh

    stop giving Lucas your money... period. You claim that all the fans made him rich and he in turn is screwing you over so stop giving him your fucking money! You guys are the first to complain yet the first to open your wallets to whatever new SW shitfest he puts out. Case and point is the billions he has made (and is still making) on the prequels. If the fans have made him rich then it’s the fans who are keeping him rich. He doesn't give a shit that you call him a hack or a moneygrubber or a fatneck, he just cares about all the green you guys keep forking over. So stop being his bitches! Stop telling him with your mouth and start telling him with your wallet. I did a long time ago.

  • March 5, 2007, 10:42 a.m. CST

    George Lucas says

    by finky089

    "I'd let Michael Jackson shave my ass before I shave this beard!"

  • March 5, 2007, 10:43 a.m. CST

    George Lucas says #2

    by finky089

    "I'd shave this beard before I give the SW Holiday Special a proper DVD release!"

  • March 5, 2007, 10:44 a.m. CST

    George Lucas says #3

    by finky089

    "I'd trade in my flannel for some Starter jackets before I erase Jar Jar Binks from SW cannon!"

  • March 5, 2007, 10:46 a.m. CST

    George Lucas says #4

    by finky089

    "I'll make episodes that have nothing but Clone Warriors in them and you'll eat it up, you will!"

  • March 5, 2007, 10:50 a.m. CST


    by kwisatzhaderach

    That Yoda clip is on the Episode III DVD on one of the featurettes on Disc 2.

  • March 5, 2007, 10:50 a.m. CST

    "It's about one story that breaks up into four and...

    by Doctor_Sin followed by four shows that are episodic, but not linear, however all will form the basis of another four-part cycle of stories...blah blah blah" Doesn't this crap sound familiar?<p>Anyway, I love the prequels, saw the OT in the theaters back in the day, love the CW toon and am looking forward to all this junk he's making. Even though he said he never wanted SW to be like Trek. Uh-huh. Yeah. Sure.<p>Where are all the non-SW films he wanted to work on? Ha. Ha.

  • March 5, 2007, 11:05 a.m. CST


    by spud mcspud

    For every past talkback, for every damn talkbacker that ever burned me down, for every empty-headed prequel apologist that I have shot down in these talkbacks, for all the insults, the friendly banter (poodoo!), for all the trying to explain why I am so damn angry about the prequels and their overwhelming shittiness... THIS TALKBACK SAYS IT ALL!!! At last, the prequel haters are out in Force (heh heh) and finally we are overwhelmingly heard! I TOLD YOU SO! I TOLD YOU ALL SO! The prequels are the work of an ex-genius turned money-grubbing hack of epic proportions - especially that goddamned neck! Fuck you Neck Boy! A whole series JUST of Clone Warriors? He's not even TRYING any more, for FUCK'S SAKE?!?!?!?!<p> You are all my bitches. Henceforth, I am Darth Spud, and you are all my prequel hating minions. Together we shall desytroy the apologists. That is all.<p>"Wipe them out. All of them."<p>We own this talkback, beeeetches!

  • March 5, 2007, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Lord of the messi Rings

    by spud mcspud

    I hear you messi. How many people would've been happy to watch LOTR:TTT end at the beginning of Helm's Deep, then seen the aftermath of the battle at the beginning of LOTR:ROTK, and seen what was the majestically excellent Battle at Helm's Deep as a heavily stylised kid's cartoon? Can you imagine??? THE HORROR! THE HORROR!

  • March 5, 2007, 11:16 a.m. CST

    I'm actually trying very hard...

    by Childe Roland give a shit about these projects, but I'm afraid the prequels really did kill whatever lingering love I had for Star Wars in my heart. I enjoyed the Clone Wars shorts, so now Lucas is saying htey don't count? I guess I shouldn't be surprised. I will probably check out the 3D animated Clone Wars, but I don't hold high hopes that it will be anything except a cleaner, more clinical version of what we already saw. And I don't expect the live action TV show to actually happen at all.

  • March 5, 2007, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Lucas rapes you because you dress like you want it

    by Doctor_Sin

    I again reiterate my hate and loathing, not for Lucas, but for McCallum and Sansweet who have killed SW.

  • March 5, 2007, 11:41 a.m. CST

    It's the characters George!

    by colivo

    The biggest problem with the PT movies, aside from Jar Jar, the romance, the turn scene, Padme losing the will to live, Yoda acting like Sonic the Hedgehog, and Jake Lloyd being cast is: THE CHARACTERS!!!!!!!!!!!! What made the OT great, aside from being groundbreaking at the time, was the great characters that the audience could care about. Luke, Leia, and Han were all characters you actually gave a shit about, and even the side characters like Alec Guiness, Lando, Yoda, Chewy, and the droids made you want to wonder what happens next. The PT characters are pure crap, and other then Ewan McGregor as Kenobi, I could give a rats ass about any of them. Padme loses the will to live? WHO CARES!! Anakin turns to the darkside and starts slaughtering kids and fights his mentor? WHO CARES!!! Anakin lies there burning away as his mentor leaves him? Great job Ewan, Hayden was a whiny prick that deserved what he got! I understand the PT characters would not be the all-american good guys like Luke, Leia, and Han, and it was a different story too, but Lucas totally forgot about what made the OT great, cause I asked myself the first time I saw all the PT characters fates on screen in ROTS, should I even care?

  • March 5, 2007, 12:08 p.m. CST

    30th Anniversary or 10th Anniversary?

    by colivo

    I find it really funny that Lucas is celebrating the 30th Anniversary of Star Wars this year with a rumored boxset, videogames and other tie-ins, yet that version doesn't exist in his mind anymore. Shouldn't we be celebrating the 10th Anniversary of your beloved Special Editions? Just put the fuckin OOT fully remastered and let fans decide what versions they enjoy watching rather then acting like Emperor Palpatine of the DVD World.

  • March 5, 2007, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Will It be in THX???

    by MuLTitaP 316

    Or just 5.1 Dolby Digital? If so TURN IT UP.......

  • March 5, 2007, 12:44 p.m. CST


    by SPECTRE007

    Just so everyone can see it, for comparison between the OT and NCT (New Crap Trilogy),Here is the box office for adjusted for inflation. Star Wars closed in 1978 with $215, 537,000. That's $692,406,000 in 2005. Phantom Menace did $431,000,000 in 1999, which is about $518,000,000 in 2006 figures. Not even considering the re-releases of the OT, they were more popular and larger successes in a time where "event" films were virtually non-existant. Just a brief comparison for New Trilogy quality defenders.

  • March 5, 2007, 1:07 p.m. CST

    Darth Maul...

    by Buttcleft Magoo

    This has to be said , but Darth Maul and that whole Light Saber fight sequence with him, Qui Gonn and Obi Wan was the best thing about all three of those piss-poor prequels. So don't be dissin' the Maul . Besides which , guess who did the voice for ol' Mauly - Shaun Of The Dead's - Paul " it's four in the FUCKING morning ! " Serafinowicz Lastly , Georgy Boy - please man , you have the power and the money to fix that neck of yours , do it before it envelopes your brain and tells you to re-tweak the classic trilogy for the 4th time. The live action series could be fucking amazing if it goes the ' Galactica route' - so please for the love of Moses don't fuck THAT one up.

  • March 5, 2007, 1:12 p.m. CST

    Box Office = Bantha Fodder

    by Doctor_Sin

    I don't give a gundark's puckered ass about which film made how much or how much it's been adjusted for inflation, full moons, alignment with Venus, eclipses, or cyclic Cthonic dreams of cyclopean cities.<p>The Prequels were fun little space-age fairy tales that peed all over decades of crappy comic books, poorly written (yet very well paid) "novels," and countless numbers of fan fiction.<p>Someone see if Mori can sneak onto The Ranch and dig up the skinny.

  • March 5, 2007, 1:30 p.m. CST

    Small Indie Films? Still waiting.............

    by colivo

    I love when Lucas said after ROTS that he was only going to do small indie films that won't make any money. Yet all we will see from Lucas is Indy IV, Star Wars TV Shows, etc. Will he do anything that doesn't have the name Star Wars on Indy attached to it?

  • March 5, 2007, 1:52 p.m. CST

    I remember trying to convince myself...

    by rbatty024

    that The Phantom Menace wasn't thaaaat bad. After a few days of drinking the kool aid I finally gave in and admitted it was shit.

  • March 5, 2007, 2:49 p.m. CST

    The Force Unleashed VG...

    by Rakafraker about being Vader's newest apprentise. The official site ( )says that there will be events that 'shake up' the galaxy. I wonder how this will tie in with the live-action series.

  • March 5, 2007, 2:49 p.m. CST

    I forgot to mention it's between III and IV.

    by Rakafraker

    Whatcha think about that, y'all?

  • March 5, 2007, 3:02 p.m. CST

    I wanted more pre-Suit Vader running around being Sithy

    by Doctor_Sin

    With his long hair and wicked facial scar. I would have preferred to not have Vader in the Black Suit in ROTS. But, as Rick McCallum says, "This is what the fans have been waiting for!" Ass.<p>The problem with the prequels, I believe, is that they encompass too much time for some people. The OT took a few years to chronicle Luke blowing up the DS, Han getting captured, Luke meeting Yoda, and Father and Son and the Emperor. It's a pretty small window of time.<p>However, the prequels jump with 10 years between I and II, with another what - five or something - before III? I just think there was to much to show in such a short span of three flicks. I loved the whole prequel universe and wished it had had more time to pace things out over the trilogy.<p>That said, I loved the PT, but wished it could have gone AOTC (as I), ROTS (as II), and an unnamed III in which Obi Wan and "Vader" face off and Annie gets crippled and tossed in a black respirator mask.

  • March 5, 2007, 3:01 p.m. CST

    Buddy Cop Show: Grando Calrrissian and Prince Xizor

    by TallBoy66

    Wow, what a mismatched pair in the smuggling life!!! Also, person who can name both those references wins a cookie.

  • March 5, 2007, 3:25 p.m. CST

    Yoda was the only good thing about the prequels

    by Fridge

    And anoyone who says differently is fucking lying to themselves.

  • March 5, 2007, 3:53 p.m. CST


    by Buttcleft Magoo

    Yoda was a bad mofo in the prequels to be sure , but man, Darth Maul was as cool as fuck .

  • March 5, 2007, 4:01 p.m. CST

    Ol' Fat Neck is back

    by Buttcleft Magoo

    From this .. To this .. and finally :

  • March 5, 2007, 4:31 p.m. CST

    Star Wars dose not exist for

    by Necromunda

    Star Wars dose not exist for me past the first three films, the new ones made sick. What a way to ruin the greatest sci-fi franchise ever. With all the people who work on a film, not one of them stood up and said "Sorry this is Shit!"

  • March 5, 2007, 4:35 p.m. CST

    Darth Palpidious PWNED the Prequels!

    by Doctor_Sin

    Wrinkly motherfucker was ON. That was the Evil Emperor I've been waiting to see. Jango Fett also rocked. Anyone who can't see how fucking fun these movies are needs to dig that collectible Force Ghost Ben action figure out of their rectum.

  • March 5, 2007, 4:34 p.m. CST

    I'm sure there is a very powerful story behind why

    by superninja

    Bea Arthur owns Mos Eisley. Like she won the scum and villainy over by baking a batch of Wookie Cookies after losing everything she loved at a bad hand of cards and then was deserted by Jedi who don't help people, except when they do. Brings a tear to my eye! Write it, George.

  • March 5, 2007, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Necromunda, they were Banned From The Ranch (tm)

    by Doctor_Sin

    Part of Rick McCallum's Quality Control measures, to be sure.

  • March 5, 2007, 4:38 p.m. CST

    And here I thought the problem was that Darth Vader

    by superninja

    was wussed out to the nth degree. There is nothing awesome about the prequels Vader. The Emperor should've wacked him, too.

  • March 5, 2007, 4:43 p.m. CST

    Prequel Vader killing Jedi kids = Happy clown funhouse

    by Doctor_Sin

    All I will say on the matter.

  • March 5, 2007, 4:49 p.m. CST

    It was actually apalling but in a funny way.

    by superninja

    Didn't quite carry the dramatic weight Lucas intended, I'm sure.

  • March 5, 2007, 5:08 p.m. CST

    Here's what I heard in my head while that...

    by Childe Roland

    ...whole dramatic turning scene in Palpatine's office played out after Windu took a dive -- Annie: "Oh my god! You killed Master Windu! You bastard!" Palps: "Sure I did, but you helped! You cut off his hands!" Annie: "Crap!" Palps: "Yes, you are just as bad as I am." Annie: "Whatever. Will you at least save my wife now?" Palps: "Uh, yeah...about that...don't really know how." Annie: "But you said..." Palps: "I say a lot of things. I really just enjoy the sound of my own voice." Annie: "You lied to me!" Palps: "Hello? Sith Lord, over here." Annie: "So there's no way to save her from this ambiguous peril I've forseen in fevered dreams?" Palps: "Uh, sure. Maybe. Yeah, in fact. Definitely. We can do it if we work together. But first you need to go and kill all those kids you hang out with." Annie: "Kill the kids?" Palps: "Oh, yeah. It's absolutely critical to your wife's survival." Annie: "Really?" Palps: "Fuck if I know. But it sure would be fun, wouldn't it?" Annie: "Ah, what the hell. I'm already dirty."

  • March 5, 2007, 6:42 p.m. CST

    No kidding Childe

    by one9deuce

    It's a ludicrous scene. Sometimes I feel like the Prequel Trilogy is a very cruel joke played on us by George Lucas. If somebody from the year 2005 would have come back in a time machine to the 11 year old me in 1983 and said: In Episodes 1, 2, and 3 Darth Vader/Anakin Skywalker will be a really young, blonde, skinny, awkward whiner called "Annie" I would have thought they were an idiot. <p> Yet, that is the truth unfortunately.

  • March 5, 2007, 7:02 p.m. CST

    So true, Childe. It was more like a gang initiation

    by superninja

    directed by Corman. Lucas didn't think too hard when he sat down to write Anakin's motivation to turn.

  • March 5, 2007, 8:38 p.m. CST

    The saddest thing to me about the prequels...


    ...Is that Lucas could have gone into a writer's meeting at Mutant Enemy, grabbed any staff writer on Whedon's team and told him or her, "You're going to write these three Star Wars movies of mine," and what they would have written would have been miles above and beyond what we ultimately got from George and his yellow legal pad. Or even if not Mutant Enemy, some other hungry, genre-familiar TV writer who would've killed a family member to land such a high-profile gig as a feature film, let alone a SW flick, and wrote the living shit out of those movies. Think about how much quality writing there is on TV today and how much non-quality writing we got in George's past three Star Wars movies. Just imagine how spectacular those movies would've been with some genuinely solid script work.

  • March 5, 2007, 8:38 p.m. CST

    Lucas at the Oscars

    by Raschied

    I thought the whole "Best Director" presentation at the Oscars summed up Lucas in a nutshell. He's been hanging with great directors for years - Scorsese, Spielberg, and Coppola, and he's never ever ever going to be in their league. If these guys were going to start a garage band, Lucas would be the friend-turned-manager since his playing sucked too bad.

  • March 5, 2007, 8:38 p.m. CST

    Anakin: "You're the Sith Lord!"

    by Doctor_Sin

    Palpatine: "You catch on quick, kid."<p>Anakin: "You want me to betray the Jedi!"<p>Palpatine: "When did I say that? Did I say that?"<p>Anakin: "I will not fall for this trickery!"<p>Palpatine: "What? What did I say? Don't look at me!"<p>Anakin: "You told me of the power of the Dark Side to save Padme!"<p>Palpatine: "I said that? Did I say that? All I said was stuff like that could happen maybe...with the right training...possibly."<p>Anakin: "Well, I will prove you wrong! I will turn you in!"<p>Palpatine: "Yeah, you go ahead and do that there."

  • March 5, 2007, 9:08 p.m. CST

    I don't know about that LIGHTSTORMER.

    by one9deuce

    But I see your point. I personally feel that THE PHANTOM MENACE is a couple rewrites away from being really really brilliant. The raw materials are there, but unfortunately......

  • March 5, 2007, 9:12 p.m. CST

    Hey All You Shitty Lucas Supporters

    by Professor Krapp

    I stopped paying to see Star Wars films after Jedi. That doesn't mean I can't complain about what a waste of money these movies were! Many of us "whine" because we see what might have been, what incredible potential was there, only to see all that money spent on Jar Jar Binks, a romance as sophisticated as any from 6th grade, and I can't even begin to say what was wrong with that last one. Jesus Christ! Hayden Christenson has the presence of kelp! He can't fucking act, and he certainly can't carry a movie. Sorry if it bothers you that some of us know what crap is, and that we call it exactly that. You want a totally Lucas-friendly site, go somewhere else. The first two movies were good, the third was OK, and those last three were a giant waste of special effects. The Professor has spoken!

  • March 5, 2007, 9:21 p.m. CST

    Just got off the phone with Lucas' Yes Man

    by Doctor_Sin

    And surprisingly, nobody at The Ranch cares what any of us think.

  • March 5, 2007, 9:34 p.m. CST

    Never thought they did.

    by Professor Krapp

  • March 5, 2007, 9:55 p.m. CST

    Professor, your name would be better if it

    by superninja

    were Professor Von Krapp.

  • March 5, 2007, 10:01 p.m. CST

    Best Friend Scene

    by superninja

    Obi-Wan: You were supposed to bring balance to the Force. Why did you have to be so...LITERAL? Anakin: I hate you! Obi-Wan: You were like a brother to me! I mean, a brother that I had to cut off all the appendages of and then leave you to writhe in agony next to molten lava and hope you can manage to drag yourself by your stubs into the lava to end it. That kind of brother - I loved you! Anakin: grrrr....

  • March 5, 2007, 10:06 p.m. CST

    Thanks Superninja

    by Professor Krapp

    for the suggestion. It sounds good. Maybe when I'm kicked off for saying something really bad I'll use your suggestion. The Von might make me sound more snooty than I already am, and I wish to connect with the lowest common denominator, so that I may spread wisdom throughout the land. My mission is to spread enlightenment as if it were a communicable disease, and I have chosen the talkbacks as the arena! Actually, I suddenly have a lot of spare time on my hands and I'm kind of bored.

  • March 5, 2007, 10:09 p.m. CST

    It sounds like a worthwhile mission.

    by superninja

    I hearby dub you Sir Professor Krapp!

  • March 5, 2007, 10:13 p.m. CST

    Gosh, Thanks.

    by Professor Krapp

    I suppose it's a worthwhile mission, but only so much as I possess wisdom. It may actually only be bullshit.

  • March 5, 2007, 10:18 p.m. CST

    Well, in any event, you'll fit right in

    by superninja

    around these parts.

  • March 5, 2007, 10:25 p.m. CST

    Bronx Cheer

    by Sulik2

    the material. One of the biggest problems I had with "Sith" was the cruelty of Obi Wan. He left the poor bugger to die in agony, instead of finishing him off. He showed absolutely no mercy. If it was Lucas's intention to make Kenobi out to be a dirtbag, he succeeded. I'll never see the character the same way again. And yes, I realize that would have changed the story a little (!), but then you stage the scene differently. Have Vader fall off a cliff or something trite so he thinks he dies. Don't just have him walk away to leave him to suffer. (Sorry for going off topic.) Dude you just nailed why that scene was great. Obi-wan gave into his crueler desires, didn't stick to the Jedi code and the galaxy suffered at the hands of Darth Vader b/c of it. Sith was basically about how the Jedi Order had lost its way and Obi-wan proved it. Knock Lucas all you want, but that was pretty good writing.

  • March 5, 2007, 10:39 p.m. CST

    Sith was about an idea that Lucas couldn't

    by superninja

    deliver on. If he had made a movie about how the Jedi order lost its way, now that would've been an interesting movie. As far as I'm concerned, bag 'em and tag 'em Emperor Palps.

  • March 5, 2007, 11:27 p.m. CST


    by Bronx Cheer

    I appreciate your position, but I felt Lucas betrayed something there. I think Lucas was painted into a corner and had to let him live. To show Kenobi to be spineless, where previous to that he had shown him to be courageous by taking him on because it was his DUTY to stop Vader? I think you give the writer too much credit. You are attributing shades of gray to a writer who is so accustomed to painting in broad strokes he wouldn't know subtlety and nuance if it bit him on the ass. "Sith" was about the tragic fall of Anakin and the destruction of the Jedi by a nefarious power-mad fella named Palpatine. The Jedi were ambushed. They didn't stray; they were destroyed. (If I didn't spell any of the names correctly, I apologize.)

  • March 6, 2007, 4:20 a.m. CST

    I find it amazing that poeple say they liked the

    by Lost Prophet

    prequels. It astounds me. It is almost as if everyone was so despereate to see Star Wars of some description that they were prepared to tolerate almost any crap provided it was set A Long Time Ago...<p> My real turn to hatred for lucas was when before Sith was released the twat said that TPM had only 10% of the story, AOTChad30% and ROTS was going to be 60%. If that was true (it wasn't) then why not just make 1 FUCKING FILM with 100% of the story? Instead it was an admission that he turned out half arsed crap that he knew people would pay for. I cannot think of another admission of exploiting the audience as blatant as that one. Ever. <p>I want to cry out of sheer frustration at my own stupidity for paying for them- especially the third one.

  • March 6, 2007, 8:12 a.m. CST

    I Raped George Lucas's Neck Pouch

    by Bronx Cheer

    Good times.

  • March 6, 2007, 9:56 a.m. CST

    The PT could have been one epic movie

    by colivo

    Lucas could have made one movie, mostly using the plot of ROTS, and have about a half hour of setup that tells what happened in Episode I & II, (i.e. where Anakin came from, Palpatines rise to Chancellor, the Clones on Kamino, etc). I think if Lucas made a 3 1/2 hour Prequel that just tells the backstory of the OT, not this new linear 'tragedy of Darth Vader' bullshit, it would have worked. Sure there would have been some who it didnt' meet their expectations. But I feel the 7 years of waiting and waiting for a good PT movie did more to ruin SW then the actual movie. By ROTS, so many of my friends were just turned off by Jar Jar and all the other bullshit, there was no way they would have liked ROTS, even if it was as good as ANH & ESB. One prequel in the summer of 2000 developed by Lucas, written by Kasdan, and directed by somebody other then Lucas, could have been a huge event that blew everyone away. In the end, all fans wanted to see was Vader/Kenobi fight over the lava mountain, how Darth Vader turned, how the kids get split up, what happens to Vaders wife, how the jedi are extinct, what happens in the clonewars, and how the Empire comes to power. All of that was in ROTS, we didn't need to see little Ani podracing or acting like a stalker towards Padme.

  • March 6, 2007, 11:12 a.m. CST

    The part I wanted to see the most in the prequels

    by finky089

    was the moment Palpy "wins." When Anakin takes the step he can't retract, when the Jedi start being "hunted down", when the Republic we heard so much about before the Prequels and glimpsed (sorta) through the first two prequels fell in to complete chaos. I wanted to relish the moment when the Emperor got to have hit cake and eat it too, all with a sick shiteating grin on his face. <p> Perhaps my expectations far exceeded anything GL and company could have com up with. Perhaps that was the whole problem with making the prequels so many years after fans had used the time since the OT to build up expectations. <p> George, a word to the wise about Indy, let it go, son.

  • March 6, 2007, 12:29 p.m. CST

    smaller films, George, smaller films

    by ar42

    Why don't you and PJ get together and make a nice, low budget zombie movie?

  • March 6, 2007, 2:41 p.m. CST

    exactly finky

    by just pillow talk

    That was the biggest problem: fans' expectations. Ever since the Clone Wars was mentioned in ANH...what kid didn't think about how that war was, what cool it must have been with all the Jedi zooming around protecting the universe.

  • March 7, 2007, 9:05 a.m. CST

    Actually, Obi Wan was a cruel bastard...

    by Childe Roland

    ...LONG before the prequels. Think about what this motherfucker did just to Luke in the OT. He lied to him from jump, telling him his dad was dead and letting him believe the little hottie in the hologram was all kinds of not off limits from an incest standpoint. Effectively, he dangled Luke's own sister in front of him as sex bait to lure him into a life of patricide, loading him like a gun full of hormones and Force powers and aiming him at his own dad. And let's not forget how he lured Luke away fromt he farm long enough for Uncle Owen and Aunt Beru to buy another, less literal farm. Then, after being really the most meaningful father figure in Luke's life (and what a sad commentary that is on Luke's life), he deliberately allows himself to be killed by Luke's actual dad just to add another layer of revenge to the whole insidious plot. If Vader hadn't told Luke the truth, Luke would've been little more than Ben and Yoda's hit man. Yeah, that little green fucker wasn't innocent, either. Those two, Ben and Yoda, were acting primarily out of fear and selfishness, manipulating Luke every step of the way through his training. I nominate both of them for biggest evil douchebags in the galaxy. And I guess this is why I don't understand why Lucas didn't just make Ben the heavy in the prequels. Have him make a move on Padme, betraying his friend. This would've been ample motivation for Annie's believable turn and would've explained why Ben acts the way he does throughout the rest of the saga. Evil fucker.

  • March 7, 2007, 2:43 p.m. CST

    Luke was the only 'pure' hero in all the movies

    by just pillow talk

    He was always thinking about saving his friends/father/galaxy. And Obi Wan either wasn't cruel enough (didn't end Vader's life when he had the chance) or too cruel (by leaving Vader there to die and wallow in flaming pain).