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What’s Ahead For HEROES??
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All kinds of cool info related to the future of “Heroes” are starting to pile up. Normally I’d save it for Monday, but I understand we’re getting another advance review from Canada Sunday night, so why wait?
* Numerous sources indicate season one will contain 23 episodes instead of the standard 22.
* Jack Coleman (Jack Bennet) revealed on a Los Angeles radio show Monday that episode 20 (this coming Monday’s episode is 18) will be set five years in the future. Other reliable sources indicate it’s five years since Manhattan was evaporated.
* Writer-producer Bryan Fuller, who authored the stellar Jack Bennet flashback episode, confides to Ain’t It Cool that episode 20 is his favorite to date, noting “everyone's future is some bleak shit.”
* Greg Grunberg tells the Onion AV club:
We're shooting an episode… we're about to shoot, where it's five years in the future, and it's not the Matt Parkman that anyone is used to seeing. My character is in a place that is really dark, and I'm not going to play it like this menacing, evil guy. I'm just going to play it as normal as possible. That, to me, is the way to make the most impact. Let the actions speak louder than the words. Horned-rim Glasses, Jack Coleman, has that job on our show, and so does Zach Quinto, who plays Sylar. It's like he's got to put on a face, and when the character he's talking to turns away, his face drops and he's evil. That stuff's really hard to do without looking corny. So I'm not planning on adding any extra pressure to me to be heroic. I'm just going to do what I do, and hopefully people buy it. I want to be as real as possible.
* Finally, in a new interview with scifiwire.com, series mastermind Tim Kring says we should expect season two to be different from season one:
"We could have new people and new storylines and new ideas and new threats and new bad guys and new heroes. So I would prepare the audience for that idea, that it's not just a continuing serialized storyline about only these people. It's a little more the 24 model than the Lost model."
But who, one wonders, is the Jack Bauer of “Heroes”?
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This is one kick-ass tee-vee show.
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The Jack Bauer of Heroes should be Peter Petreli. He is great.
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future thingy though...
I want to state how every character is awesome every one.
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Since he has 90% of the powers
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different cast then the same with season 3 and then they all connect and meet up season 4 for the ulitmate ending and finish sweet instead of going for 5-8+ seasons slowly turning to shit.
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That's right, he's got X-Ray vision to make finding terrorists EVEN EASIER! Coming in Season Two!
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This season he has recovered rather quickly from a couple of years with the Chinese.
Perhaps he is Claire's real father. -
24 is popular after all these years not because of storylines, but because of a combination of that and Jack Bauer (that's why it's called the Jack Bauer Power Hour, duh). Without him, 24's ratings would drop like a rock and it would be canceled. Just like what would happen to Heroes if you completely changed the cast for season 2. This isn't Power Rangers people. That said, I do like the idea of new characters, and maybe MAYBE some characters not making it, as long as they keep a consistent core group of heroes that the storylines can focus on (particularly Peter and Hiro). Without them, this show would be shit. So I also don't like the idea of them sticking around just as background players.
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Niki Sanders and her terribly acted and annoyingly ripped-off storyline.
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Chow the cheerleader!! She's the coolest one on the show. Forget Niki and black guy. Dull. And the mind reading wimp cop. But keep the samurai heros, flying guy, and invisible guy.
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I mostly agree with American Mythos. A drastic change in the cast has never done a show any good. 24 works because it is focussed mainly on one person, but heroes is an ensemble piece. Even 24 would have gone down the drain if no support-characters had been carried over from season to season.
Moreover, the already existing heroes and their powers are far from having been explored at all. How often have we seen Nathan fly? Two times? And let us face it, new people same powers = cheesy, new people + new powers = probably cheesy powers. This is not X-men! -
BADASS, BLACKCLAD, SWORD WIELDING, SOUL PATCHING WEARING HIRO IS BACK. WHOO FUCKING HOO.
Right, well, after my excitement died down I can say I'm generally very happy with this show, I hope they continue the excellent run they've had with the past 3 episodes and I really really hope Sylar is around for a lot more than one series, it would be interesting to see him develop in to a proper full on super villain in the Joker vein, not just a one season threat. -
I hope they still have new slogan every few weeks. Show is starting to peter out, except last weeks w/Bennett.
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Reba will be raped by the Geico cavemen this season.
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also, is Peter supposed to blow up, or just get a big scar?
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Future Hiro said Peter's supposed to scar. I'm sorry if this has already been asked, but, if Peter can heal like Clair, how can he scar? Save the cast (well, most of them anyway), save the show.
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has potential. But they could screw the whole thing by getting carried away with time jumping and and having a news cast every season. I know, I know.. this site doesnt give a shite what the mass audience thinks but that is one of the the most important things in tv show and it is why we keep coming back to shows like lost, 24 or the simpsons. These are characters that we have come to know and love and are part of the landscape. A different cast every series would make this a hard show to follow unless they do a stargate style show....
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a Chicago Cubs mug a la Sir Tony Almeida. While watching South American soccer.
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have a multi future device. Each series will be based in a different future and in that way all new cast but that could hit a wall.
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I really need to keep this somewhere so I can copy/paste it every time the question is asked:
Scars are part of the healing process, not the injury process. If a wound is left open, it'll never scar because it'll never heal. It's more than feasible that if Peter is lazy about his healing (just heals enough to close the wound, not to heal it) that a scar will form naturally. -
SAVE THE CHEERLEADER, SAVE THE WORLD! Of course! It's not that Hiro didn't want Sylar to get Claire's Healing Power, he wanted PETER to get it. Peter, by saving Claire, now has access to the healing power! He can heal himself while the radiation is leaking out of him (just like Claire was able to withstand Ted), preventing himself from exploding until he can be moved (by Nathan, flying him away?) to somewhere safe.
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1) They can kill off Claire next week if they so choose
2) It explains why Claire has been under subsequent threats (Sylar again, Ted) but Isaac hasn't been painting anything related to it
3) Isaac's paintings overall seem very tied to Peter; there hasn't been a picture of Claire since she was saved by Peter. Maybe the pictures of the cheerleader only existed because of their connection to Peter (this is more evidence than implication) -
Just please don't introduce Arabs with powers, "who don't like the way that we live!"
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It does NOT say there will be an entirely new cast. Here, I'll translate for you: fYI Heroes l33t will get pwned but not KO'd LOL while new Big Bads and scoobies take the stage.
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The only things I would change would be killing off Nikki, killing off Matt's wife, and getting rid of the terrible Suresh pseudoscience voiceovers. Then it'd be perfect.
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at least they're better than the plain expository voiceovers done by the regular voice over guy
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might be Mohinder since he was studying the "heroes"... if he survives. Issaac may show up initially too in Season 2 as my guess to point Mohinder in a new direction of a catastrophe. Mohinder may not play a significant part, but it'll at least steer us to new 'Heroes'. HRG might or might not be present due to his recent umemployment by company. Feel that he'll be back for some reason. Question is will the season 2 story be just as compelling?
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but who has the power to "kill" Claire? do you suppose if she were beheaded, she'd be done for? what if they got real dark, and had someone steal her head (Sylar) and leave her body somewhere? then we'd have the potential for her to be reunited with her body and heal up later, but for a week, Sylar would be on the lam, with her head. freaky deaky. or what if he just kidnaps her, and since she would still be alive while he did his brain thing, that's how we finally get to see what he actually does with the brains. you know, that's not a bad idea. if they do off claire, that's the only feasible way, yeah?and not for nothing, but remember when everyone was speculating about "save the cheerleader, save the world" as in, is it a causal statement, or a following statement. as in, save the world BY saving the chearleader, or simply, save the cheerleader, then save the world? by your hypothesis, it's both! interesting...
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Jack Shepard, Jack Bauer, Peter Petrelli. He was the initial focus. And here's the big reason: Only he and Hiro were the ones that Believed from the beginning that something is going on, that they had to act, save the world, step up! Pete's the man, and he was the man even before he could 'keep' others' powers. Natural leader, takes initiative - oh, and I bet we get to see his Scar in the future episode!!!!! SO PUMPED!!!
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I REALLY like where you're going with that. Only thing is though I don't think they'll kill off Claire - or they wouldn't have made Nathan her father (and obviously Peter her uncle) - also, how cool is that that Hiro got Pete to save his niece! I don't think Pete is going to explode. I think Syler will. Here's why: When Pete had a vision of Nathan's wreck that injured his wife, Pete saw himself floating over the car - meaning he was in Nathan's 'place'. I don't think it will be Ted. Syler's going to get opposed by Pete or someone else or a group and he'll need more power, so he'll turn to Ted and kill him at the Paper Factory, Pete had a vision with Syler in his head too... and I think he 'saw' Syler explode...
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I DO think you were right in Pete needing to encounter Claire to save the world. Pete can heal himself now, and I think that's a key for down the road. Maybe NYC does explode, NYC isn't the world. Maybe it IS Ted that blows up NYC and Syler is trying to take over the world... and Pete's the only one that can match him - as in he'll be the series big bad... and all the focus will be on stopping Sylar... who knows, either way, look how awesome this show's become!!!! Woohoo!!! I feel like I just saw the smoke monster for the first time! Future Hiro!!!!! Pete's scar!!! Geekout!
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You may kill off the following characters: Nikki/Jessica, her husband and her kid. All at once if you want. Nathan Petrelli, any time. Mohinder Suresh - sure. and that painter guy is totally asking for it. Hell you can even kill Peter while having a BIG DEAL death scene where he sacrifices himself to stop Sylar. He's really becoming too powerful for balance so you should probably kill him or seriously tone down his power. (I know I know, Peter is still alive in 5 years. Future Hiro said so).
You may NOT kill: Jack Coleman, Claire Bennett, Hiro or Parkman. I mean no one can stop you... but have a look at who your breakout stars are, my friend. We used to love Lost. and X-Files. Don't fuck with us. Signed, Your Adoring Fans -
We know that Hiro has seen or knows Peter in the future “with a scar” so most likely they both live in the future so maybe Peter blows up Manhattan, but somehow lives?!?
Ok, now the 5 year jump forward SHOULD have Hiro going back in time to alert Peter on the train, but what if he gives him another message this time. This would give another timeline and the last 3 episodes could play out that timeline up until the season ending cliffhanger.
Hiros message was to save the cheerleader, but that lead to Peter getting the healing ability. If Hiro stops that from happening Peter would/could die before gaining all his powers and Hiro would then save Manhattan from destruction.
That would be cool to have Hiro make the tough choice of killing someone good to save many people…but it would stop us from seeing that Peter/Skylar ultimate throw down that we are just waiting to see.
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You'll lose me real quick if you drop Hiro, Peter, Claire, or HRG. Other characters can be dropped, I like Matt but you've done so precious little with him that I can live without him. But drop those 4 core characters and you've screwed up.
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You'll lose me real quick if you drop Hiro, Peter, Claire, or HRG. Other characters can be dropped, I like Matt but you've done so precious little with him that I can live without him. But drop those 4 core characters and you've screwed up.
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I'm just saying they *can*.
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but for now, I'm giving my students a 3 hour exam. this is not specifically so that I can chat about Heroes, but it doesn't hurt. it was just a coincidence. I'm a good teacher, really!I want to know how they can show 5 years into the future without making the explosion (which has been sort of the climax at the end of the rainbow) a moot point. if NC has already blown up, then why should we be tense and invested in whether or not Peter is going to succeed in blowing it up? he obviously doesn't. but if the 5 years into the future is a future that can be changed, how did Hiro end up there with a sword, and why couldn't he fix sylar himself, go back to sylar as an infant, and pop him. grandfather paradox, in some way? I love time travel stories, but I can't help but think that on a TV series, even one as cool as this one, their gonna screw up the logic somewhere down the line. when Hiro was going all over the place, they left it vague as to which idea of time travel they were adhering to. (which is why no one can agree exactly, as to what happened with wiki-woman, even though we know sylar got her power [from the online comics] we don't know what role Hiro's time travel had in it) I'm geeking out at the though of seeing future Hiro again, but if they give us 5 years from now, why do we care about 5 minutes from now?Chrth, please explain...
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never seen an indian hero with cool powers. even in the comic books. c'mon timmy gimme some love. and hey you could pitch it properly to the star tv network after that. there's a whole sub continent you know
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hey look, they can't all be invisible or walk through walls...some of them gotta have jerry curls and a fascination with quotes form Omni magazine...
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We get Claire running up to him, mouthing "I'm Sorry" ... we get Nathan coming up to him and saying "Let me help you". So maybe this is what we're seeing: Sylar is the one who is going to explode. Claire represents the healing power, Nathan the flying power. So perhaps it's Peter (not Nathan) who flies Sylar away from the city to detonate, thinking (knowing) that he can survive the detonation.We have another clue that this is going to happen: Sylar's problem with the super-hearing. He can't control powers right away *either*. If Sylar takes Ted's power, than I don't think he'd be able to contain it ...
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I'm guessing he might the the boy from his dreams.Setting him on the right path.His power is probably what started his father into doing that kind of research into powers.I think peter has gotten the power from him too.
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HOBO WITH A SHOTGUN! Save the hot cheerleader... for me.
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could give us a glimpse of Heroes' evil counterparts...
probably forming in Mexico...and headed by...
Nathan Petrelli!!!
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If they're using causality loops (a la To Say Nothing of the Dog), it is possible to change the future IF the change is being done to fix something that was broken by time travel (and in this scenario there are no paradoxes possible since the movement through time is being guided by time).
On the other hand, in my own time travel theory (objects are independent of time, therefore you can go back and kill your grandfather without causing a paradox because you already exist back then. Your future self will never be born, but you won't be erased) you can change the future simply by travelling to the past. However, Hiro was unable to save WikiWoman, so either this isn't correct or Hiro's power is subjected to other forces.
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There was Thunderbird in the X-Men a few years ago... and his former girlfriend/cop who became a Prime Sentinel and who is in Carey's X-Men team as we speak. And WAY back, if memory serves me right, there was a character called Celsius in The Doom Patrol... she could shoot fire out of one hand and ice out of the other. She had a hot side and a cool side - like a McDLT. She was Indian, as well... I'm sure there were more but those three pop instantly to mind.
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tell me more about your theory. the grandfather paradox has a lot of ways around it, I know. but the idea that you can can go back, kill him, and then come back to a future where you never lived, is that what you're saying? because that seems to rely on a linear timeline theory, but ignore the fact that somewhere along that timeline, someone who never existed (or ceased to exist) changed it, AND is now existing in it. how does that work?I'm inclined to believe that if time travel is ever found to exist, we will only be able to go into the future. no logic problem with that, as far as the ret of the world is concerned, you just disappear for a while, then pop up later without having aged. (no, you can't go visit your future self like in back to the future, because once you leave in your time machine, you don't go on living in that timeline, so you can't visit yourself later on it.) but chrth, in your independent of time theory, couldn't you do that?
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and we don't see him again until the last shot of season 2, setting up his monster return for the 3rd season. I also hope that little Alex doesn't make the show way too campy, which scares me more than anything. Its nice to see that AICN fanboys are already threatening the creators not to allow ________ to happen, with no care as to the actual quality of the show.
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Every object can be defined in 4 dimensions: x,y,z, and t, with t being age of object, not absolute time. Therefore, I, ChrTh, am at x,y,z (we'll say 0,0,0 since I'm egotistical) and t=32 (we'll use years even though in reality it could be denoted as seconds or nanoseconds). Now, object ChrTh(0,0,0,32) is independent of object ChrTh (0,0,0,33). If ChrTh:33 goes back in time one year and kills ChrTh:32, there is no paradox because ChrTh:33 still exists at t=32. When a year passes, he'll be object ChrTh (0,0,0,34), even though only 33 years have passed since my birthday.
I gotta go to Red Lobster for lunch now (Yay LobsterFest!) but when I come back I'll go into the theory some more. -
don't screw "heroes" up.
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This is simple, people. Hiro said it himself: he can't change the past. If you watch the show it's clear Hiro can't change events that have already happened in his own timeline. In the beginning of the season he starts out in his cube and goes to NYC. He winds up in the future and witnesses a nuclear explosion, the event he is now trying to prevent. Later, he saves Walk Through Walls guy from an exploding car by slowing down time and knocking him out of the way before it hits. He encounters Memory Waitress in Texas and is unable to prevent Sylar from taking her head ("There can be only one!"), so she dies. He tries to go back in time to save her, but he can't because she's already died in his timeline. Now, the thing that isn't quite explained by this is FutureHiro going back in time to tell Peter on the subway about the cheerleader. One possible explanation is that Hiro knows that by encountering him, Peter has now acquired Hiro's abilities. Therefore Peter now has the ability to change events in his future -- which, for him, includes the NYC explosion. I think it's significant that Hiro specifically visited Peter. As far as I can tell, the writers have been extremely consistent about Hiro's powers so it seems likely the subway thing fits in with everything else.
As for the "Save the cheerleader, save the world" business, this seems pretty straightforward too. FutureHiro clearly knew that Sylar was out to get her. Imagine Sylar with regeneration -- how the hell do you kill a guy with a thousand different powers and regen, too? How many times have we seen Claire come back from dying? That's why they have to keep the cheerleader alive. Once Sylar gets her, it's game over cause there's no way to stop him. For all I know it ties into the nuclear stuff too, as other people pointed out. -
This fits in with the movie PRIMER. Sorry if you haven't seen it by now, you're about to get the movie spoiled.
The theory is that time travel has rules but not the paradox rules we all have heard. In Primer they made a time machine that you have to turn on to start it. You could then wait as long as you wanted to use it to travel backwards in time but are limited to when it was turned on as the furthest point backwards you could go.
The idea is as follows:
Monday you turn it on.
You get in it on Friday and travel back to Monday.
Now there are 2 of you in the Monday – Friday timeline.
Here’s the COOL PART
You (future) stops you (past) from entering the time machine on Friday.
Now there are TWO OF YOU.
The idea is time is independent from a point FORWARD. You can just create an alternate timeline from the point in which you changed time in the past. Including killing your grandfather or even yourself (past you) since you have created another path for time to follow.
If Heroes uses this as a template for time travel, very cool things could be done. It would also make Hiro a VERY powerful person.
AND THIS JUST OCCURRED TO ME WHILE WRITING…
Peter met Hiro…Can Peter TIME TRAVEL?
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(and incidently, sounds a lot like the movie, Primer, which you GOTTA see if you haven't) but what if ChrTh:33 goes back and kills ChrTh:32, then goes back to t=33? you're saying, life might be different (for his family, he's been dead a year, they had a funeral, etc.) but he can still exist? that makes sense, sort of.but what if ChrTh:33 goes back in time, and instead of killing ChrTh:32, cuts him on the face, leaving a scar. you're saying, ChrTh:33 won't instantly have a scar himself (he's a separate entity), but then when he goes back to t=33, everyone will say, "where's the scar you've had for a year?"so what if you steal a time machine, then go back in time and kill the guy that invented it? in your idea of time travel, you could just back home to a reality where no time machine ever existed, except you have one, and you could claim to have invented it, right? again, no problembut it seems like all your theory does is ignore the the causal loops, the grandfather's paradox and all that, rather than solve them. you're saying that you can go back in time and change the past, and the timeline will be altered from then on, but only the time traveler will be unaffected. you can kill the tiem machine inventor, and still have a time machine. you can kill your old self and still exist. the only way this makes sense, is if you cannot return to your original time. you go back to the past, do whatcha like, and then just hang out. but if you go back to your original time, either everything has been changed, and you chould be changed as well, or nothing has changed, meaning, you can'[t change the present by going into the past. so then what happened to the dead ChrTh a year ago? multiverse? nah.
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chrth, I thought about that last week. Hiro sent Peter to save Claire so he would get her power. But I don't think it was so he could survive the explosion. Ted's explosive power doesn't seem to damage his body at all, no burns after he almost blew up last episode, and in the online comic he's exploded a couple times without any self-inflicted damage. So it's likely that Peter or Sylar would survive intact and the healing power wouldn't make any difference because their bodies are not being damaged.
Now where the healing power might make a diference is with the scar that Hiro mentioned. We've seen that Hiro travelling back in time will change the timeline. The photo in the diner was only Charlie at the start of that episode and at the end it was both Charlie and Hiro. So in the future that Hiro came from Peter maybe never got the healing power so he had a scar, maybe from the big fight with Sylar (who had the healing). But in the present timeline Peter has healing so we may never see the scar. -
never thought of that Autoclave, very true. but then why even mention the scar? will we see an alternate past where Peter got a scar? maybe in the Future Hiro's storyline?
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I've been wondering... even if the Haitian had decided to erase Claire's memories... would it work?
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Depends on how the Haitian's powers work. Bennet(HRG) heard the powers described like memories were "pulled from the head, like grubworms from the ground." This would not have to alter or hurt the brain. However, we have seen the longterm effects of the Haitains powers on Claire's mom, so obviously, there is some trauma. I'm not exactly sure how memory works biologically. I don't know if there are little demons inside my head, making me tap at a plastic board, while more demons inside a flat square change pictures everytime I tap the funny rock to my right...I'm just a Caveman...an Unfrozen Caveman Lawyer...(you are missed Phil Hartman.)
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hurry up Chrth! I know your wife is eating for 2, but damn, some of us are stuck in a classroom with nothing to do but watch out for cheaters and dream of lobster...
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It's funny, every time I reviewed the theory in my head, I never considered what would happen if travelling back in time I *didn't* kill myself or my grandfather. Oddly enough, I started thinking the exact same thing: what if I scarred myself. WEIRD (GMTA? Or do much thinking about Peter Petrelli?)
Here's how (I think) it would work: once you've gone back in time, you've essentially removed yourself from the point in time you came from. Therefore, if you went back in time and didn't kill yourself, once you returned to the future, there'd be two of you. This makes sense if you think about it this way:
ChrTh:33 goes back a year, gives ChrTh:32 a winning lottery ticket, and decided to hang around. One year later, Millionaire ChrTh:33 and Time Travelling ChrTh:34 would both still exist. So going forward a year via time machine is no different than hanging out in the world for a year (except you don't age if you go via time machine, naturally).
I'd go so far as to say that even if I did absolutely nothing to effect my younger self, the mere act of going back in time duplicates you.
As for the future you left, it gets erased. Think of time as a spool slowly winding thread upon it. The thread on the spool is the past/history, the thread off in space is the (unknown/unwritten) future, and the point in which the thread contacts the spool is the present. If you travel back in time, the spool essentially unwinds to the point you're going to. Therefore everything that you remember happening may no longer happen in that section of time. -
but as we have been debating, you run into logic problems when you go back in time and change the past. for example, Hiro had a sword, long hair, etc. etc. all derived from HIS current present. when goes back and talkes to Peter, if that saves the world, he should immediately change into a different Hiro. but if that's the case, why did he go back to contact Peter? everythings hunky dorey in his present since Peter stopped the problem. you see the paradox?
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He can also fulfill the past (by giving WikiWoman the Japanese phrasebook). These two facts appear contradictory to me, however, the causality loops theory allows this; he can change the past via his own time travel (the picture), and he can close the loop via *forced* time travel (he didn't choose to go back to her birthday, the self-correcting mechanism sent him there since it was necessary for her to get the book in order for Hiro to go back to the past OW MY HEAD)
The only reason I put up my theory is because it allows time travelling to change the future and it also does not inherently contain the grandfather paradox. I thought this last point was important since apparently everyone is related to everyone else. -
but in your lottery scenario (and I swear to god, I was thinking about that as well) I'm assuming you just looked up the winning lottery numbers from a year ago, and went back and told younger chrth. then you hung around with your millions for a year. but after a year, doesn't younger chrth have to go back a year to do what you did (in your time) a year before? what if he doesn't feel like it? then how did he get the ticket in the first place?again, it seems like your not necessarily contradicting causal loops or paradoxes, just sort of ignoring them. I will keep thinking of a specific example that would show your theory can still get you into logic trouble, I just can't seem to think of one, now.
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UNLESS ... the mere act of Saving the Cheerleader does not Save the World. (What you mentioned earlier: it's a following statement, not just a causal statement). If it is Sylar who goes kablooie, and Peter decides to fly himself to Tahiti instead of doing something in NYC, then he saved the cheerleader, but he didn't save the world, so Hiro's future would still be unchanged.
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of thinking of time as static, if Hiro does ANYTHING that sets in motion something that changes the future, he should IMMEDIATELY change into Hiro from that future. we tend to think, "oh but Peter hasn't done x yet, so y hasn't happened yet, etc. but there is no "yet", if Hiro is from the future, all of that has transpired.my guess is that Hiro is not bound by those normal laws of physics, that's the only way it makes sense. or else him contacting Peter did nothing. or else Hiro is from an alternate universe.
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As long as you say you're going to do something in the future, like say, future Hiro tell Peter tell present Hiro that future Hiro said to save the cheerleader, everything will work out and you don't have to worry about paradox because it already happened.
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and not NYC, or maybe not even the world? but he seemed to consider it a matter of grave importance in a general sense, not just for Peter. "it's the only way, etc. etc."
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It may be that Hiro is only allowed to change things that *weren't supposed to happen.*
That is, he couldn't save Charlie because Charlie is supposed to die. He was able to travel to the past to help save Manhattan because the city wasn't supposed to be destroyed.
Actually, I hate that theory, never mind. It means Hiro has no free will or ability to actually change anything. -
god forbid. although I did like "necessary roughness"...I'm gonna imdb that for the trivia right now, actually...
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What your saying is that the past is dependent upon the future, that a causal change can actually occur in reverse time. But time itself only moves forward and thus causality moves forward with it. From the perspective of ChrTh:33, someone has already gone back in time and given ChrTh:32 the ticket. Why would someone need to do it again? It's already been done! It's not like 2006 is going to say at the end of 2007, wait a second, shouldn't I be receiving a person from 2007?
To put it a different way: time is really a sequence of unrelated events. Causality is something that humans ascribe to the passage of time. I'll post something, and you'll respond; while it may be on a related topic, it's not like Time Itself dictated that it be so.
As a species we give too much credit to Time (unless Time does use the causality loop model a la To Say Nothing of the Dog, in which case it deserves the credit). It's a dimension no different than height or width. If I crush a can, I don't expect Height to demand that the can be restored ... why should I expect Time to? -
The "you can't be in two places at once theory/paradox."
He couldn't save Charlie because he was already in the diner (his past self). He could save help save Manhattan because he (his past self) wasn't in NY when he went back in time...
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Well, if you use the causality loop theory, Hiro does have free will to an extent. If time has to fix something, then that means someone broke it via free will. Yes, those who are fixing it have no free will per se because of their role, but nothing says they can't screw something else up. If this wasn't the case, then there would be never be a reason to fix anything because no one could break anything.
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I think physicists have already shown this to not be the case with some of quantum physics...
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Just because a particle can move backwards in time (or I can move backwards in time) doesn't mean that time itself is running backwards. Just the object (remember: objects are independent of time).
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of course your theory is fine if you stay in the past, but once you jump forward to your original time (after having changed something) then there's only 2 possibilities: first, that what you changed in the past has affected your current reality (in which case the grandfather paradox is in effect), or it hasn't (which means the past is not actually connected to your present. so what does that say about you going to the past, changing it, and simply staying there? sooner or later, you'd be back to the time you left from, only it would be different, and you presumably, wouldn't do the same thing that you did before. this means that it is an alternate timeline, right? the same time, different things happening. I think you have just found a simplified way of looking at the multiverse argument.
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If ChrTh:33 returns to the future, things may be different. He would remember things that didn't happen (presuming memory is physical), and he might be quite confused by things (especially if he didn't kill his younger self). The world would be changed, but he wouldn't.
However, this doesn't mean alternate timelines per se. The original timeline has gone bye-bye. ChrTh:33 remembers some of what happened in that timeline, but it no longer exists. It never happened except in his memory (and possibly others ... but that's a different theory about memory; I'll save that for another time ;) ). So yes, relative to the original timeline the 'returned to' timeline is 'alternate'. But the original timeline can not be reclaimed, so there's no point in calling the new one an alternate timeline.
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Since an object is independent of time, anything associated with that object is as well. For this, I can cite ... the Simpsons.
In the Treehouse of Horror episode where Homer changes the past (via toaster), every time he comes back to the future, he is the same but the world has changed. He remembers what he has done in the past, he remembers how it used to be, etc. etc. So when *SPOILER* he finally gives up and says "Close Enough", he doesn't have a forked tongue, nor should we expect him to. -
if there is no alternate timelines, what happens in this scenario? you go back a year, kill yourself, then go back to your original time. you remember that whole year as it was before you decided to go back and off yourself. but now a whole new year has passed, with you dead, right? but you're still alive. so now, what happens if you go back 6 months? do you find the original reality? or do you find the reality with you dead? and further, what if you decide to go back a year and a day, and wait. does the future you come back and try to kill the past you as you watch? what happens if you stop him?no matter what, if there is travel back and forth in time, it's a timeline. and if you can do that, AND you have free will, there are logic problems.
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"but now a whole new year has passed, with you dead, right?" Yes.
"so now, what happens if you go back 6 months? do you find the original reality? or do you find the reality with you dead?" The Reality with You Dead.
"what if you decide to go back a year and a day, and wait. does the future you come back and try to kill the past you as you watch?" No! Ah ha, that's a great question, btw. When you go back a year and a day (say to March 2, 2007) everything that has happened between 3/2/07 and 3/3/08 is ERASED -- INCLUDING the death on 3/3/07!
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What if Hiro traveled from the future and someone shot him in the head?
Would that effect anything? The present, the future, the past? The future hasn't occurred, so does it matter if you kill your future self?
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In pretty much every time-travel scenario I've seen, it wouldn't effect the future; Hiro would just travel in time and no one would ever see him again. In my specific theory, there is nothing obligating Hiro to go back in time again (since he knows doing so resulted in his death since he was the one who killed himself), however, other theories require him to go back in a sort of infinite causal loop.
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after going back a year, killing your old self, then returning to a chrthless 2007, what if you went back a year and a day, said hello to salma hayek, then came back. you wouldn't have affected the murder, right? so when you came back to 3/307, would the murder have been erased? you wouldn't have affected it, so why not? but if you going back there doesn't affect it, and when you get back to 2007 your still dead, then that means the murder occurred on 3/3/06...so why wouldn't you see it if you go back to 3/2/06 and wait a day? aha!
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And season 2 took place POST-PETER NUKE?
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But episode 20 should be fun.
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"what if you went back a year and a day, said hello to salma hayek, then came back. you wouldn't have affected the murder, right?" WRONG. The simple act of travelling into the past erases everything that occured in the intervening period. Now, if it's something occured normally, no big deal, it could happen again. However, the murder could NOT happen again unless the time traveller chose to make it happen again. The reason is: once you've erased the future, no one can time travel again (even past time travelling selves) until time catches up.
Now, let's say there were two people involved, ChrTh and Wonka. Wonka decides that this talkback has driven him insane, so he decides to go back and kill ChrTh before the exchange can occur. ChrTh, realizing what's about to happen, goes back in time as well. Wonka goes to today, ChrTh goes back to yesterday (btw, they have to leave at the same time, otherwise whoever leaves first wins ... we'll presume simultaneity). Now even though ChrTh erases the future by going back to yesterday, Wonka will still be there today because time-travelling, presumably, would remove you from the time stream. Therefore an epic struggle would result!
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for a while, but eventually it'd get old. Just like Mirror Universe Trek is interesting in small bursts.
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god i hope they're not reading this message board thinking, "HOLY SHIT, THEY'RE RIGHT! HOW CAN HIRO GO BACK IN TIME AND AWWE FUCK WE GOTTA EXPLAIN THE SCAR WITH THE HEALING POWERS"
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what's the deal? 2015 doesn't change yet and the deleted scene has him disappear. is there like a 20 minute delay on changing time? but how come when marty's picture is disappearing in part 1, he disappears as well?
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Another time travel could occur after ChrTh had travelled to the past, but it would have to be a subsequent one. So let's say ChrTh 0 was originally killed by ChrTh 1. When ChrTh 1 goes back in time again, since he's already there, he can choose not to kill ChrTh 0 this time around (he remains ChrTh 1 because he goes back to a point in time earlier than his previous jump). However, when ChrTh 1 gets back to the future the second time, he realizes he really should've killed ChrTh 0. So he goes back again. This time he goes back to the same day, not an earlier point in time, so ChrTh 1 is already there, so he needs to be known as ChrTh 2. ChrTh 1 witnesses ChrTh 2 kill ChrTh 0. But this was a different event than the original ChrTh 1 killing ChrTh 0.
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If Marty had never travelled back from 2015, he would've stayed in that 2015 (presuming Biff didn't erase his existence in 1985 by killing him). That 2015 continues. Biff Tannen, however, disappears, because Biff is killed by Lorraine. So in BTTF-verse, you disappear if an event causes your prior-to-time-travelling self to die (or, in Marty's case, never to be born). Doc doesn't disappear in 1955 (2nd time) because its a future self that's killed in 1885, not a prior self.
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If a change in time causes a younger version of you to die (or never be born), than the 'future' you disappears. Since Older Biff Tannen's actions cause his Younger self to be shot and killed by Lorraine, he disappears when he returns to 2015 (in reality, he would've disappeared eventually also if he stayed in 1955 after giving youngest Biff the Almanac)
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I might have missed it on Monday, but the preview shown on the recast of Monday's Heroes rebroadcast on Sci Fi seemed slightly different than what was shown on Monday on NBC. The preview was the same except for the very end, there is a quick scene where Sylar slams Peter up against a wall and says something to the effect of "I remember you." I suppose that means on Monday we get to see a Peter/Sylar showdown, but more importantly if Sylar is in New York next week it fits in with Hiro's time travel trip in the beginning of the season. Which I suppose means Issac is our hero that doesn't make out of Mondays episode alive.
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Best show on TV!!
And if anyone disagrees with that, I'll hit them over the head with my huge boner!
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I'm back from teaching. ok, I figured out the fundamental problem I have with your time theory. the way I see it, you are treating the timeline as a linear one hen it suits your travel, logically, but you are ignoring the linear nature of the timeline when it causes paradoxes. (or when it would cause a paradox, I guess.) ok, so take the last scenario. you go back a year, kill your former self, come back to present day. as we've said, the present day is altered, you are not in it. at least, you shouldn't be in it, but somehow, there you are! your family will be shocked. but having a non-chrth present means that in the timeline as it now exists, you went back and killed yourself. it's as plain a fact as saying it rained on thursday. that is why if you go back 6 months, you're in the timeline with no chrth, meaning the murder is still a fact.now where you get kooky with it, is you say, if you go back a year and a day, there is instananeously no murder on 3/3/06, the moment you travel back to 3/2/06. why is that? you're implying that simply by traveling back to a day earlier, you've erased the entirety of future time after that point. so your time travel becomes the catalyst for whatever timeline exists. well, fine. but if that's the case, the murder should still take place on 3/3/06, because you did it in YOUR PAST. jsut like when you originally made the return trip to 3/3/07 after the murder, it was in YOUR PAST as well as the timeline's past. what is the distinction between the murder existing in the past when you're in 2007, and it existing in the past when you're at 3/2/06? it's still in your past, and you're the catalyst for the timeline, according to your logic,
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Peter has to 'think about or feel' the people he's encountered to use their powers. The scar could simply come from him flying Ted away and getting bonked on the noggin before he can think about Claire and heal himself. Also, a point I made before... 5 years from now, NYC may have exploded, OR maybe its fine, but NYC (Sry Yankees, Go Braves!) isn't *THE WORLD*. Perhaps in the future Peter's just died and Hiro decides to go back to make sure he gets the healing power for 4 years from now, or 2.5 years from now. Its entirely possible that Peter could die 3 years from now if he didn't have Claire's power and be unable to save THE WHOLE WORLD from evil Dr. Shuresh resurected as a zombie or Linderman in a robotic suit trying to control the world á la Lex Luthor or Parkman who's evil now bc his wife hooked up with every dude on the planet and he wants his revenge... There's no reason why Hiro couldn't have gone back to get Pete ready for events MUCH farther down the road - go back and watch the ep where Hiro comes back and listen to what he says...
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is it just me or did anyone else get lost reading all the back and forth time traveling theories. I wish i could go back and skip past that and just read about the heroes episode and not alternate time dimensions and stuff like that.
Im not trying to disprect anyone btw, just saying if you guys aren't working in the science fields than you def should be. theres some great ideas out there.
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I think ifilms.com has a few clips from this mondays episodes. just do a search for "heroes preview" and they should be there.
there is an intersting one with claire and tha haitian having a conversation in what looks like an airport.
I could be wrogn but ive seen every episode so far and I dont remember ever seeing these clips yet.
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Maybe Claire/Peter's healing power has *some* limit, as in whatever Peter is going to go through at the end of the season will leave some small bit of evidence.
Also, it may turn out that Peter can absorb powers, but not to the levels of the individual they originate from.
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For a very, very interesting look at (possible) real-world time travel, check out http://www.johntitor.com/
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Sylar with Isaac's power would be truly scary. Isaac has to die for two reasons: he has to atone for killing Simone (tv morality logic) and for going over to the dark side- (allying himself with the primatech ppl.) Not to mention that Hiro saw it in his future, and I have a feeling that despite the wikiwoman photo/alternate timeline confusion, the writers are going to stick with the timeline being a fairly airtight singular type of thing. So far all of Isaac's painting have come true, in one way or another. I think they're going to stick with Hiro being stuck in one timeline, no alternate/multiverse action for Hiro, or us, which is fine by me. It might not totally work logically, but I can suspend my disbelief a little. It's friggin' time travel.
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Let us say 3/3/07 is the X day of my existence. I go back to 3/3/06, kill myself, then hang around for another year. It is now X+365 day of my existence. I go back again to 3/2/06. 3/3/06 is X+366 day of my existence. They are *two separate days*. Yes, events could occur the exact same way they did on day X, but there's no obligation to. X and X+366 are two different days from my perspective.
What you're thinking is that if I go back again, I subtract 366 days, so that X=X on 3/3/06. But why? I lived 366 days between the first 3/3/06 and the second 3/3/06. Those days don't disappear for me. In a way, the time traveler no longer reckons the passage of time via the calendar.
Here's the best way to sum it up: a person never travels into *his* past (or her, if it's a female), just to a point in time in the past. If that wasn't the case, they would always time travel into themselves (and thus be limited to their own lifetime -- I believe this is the Peggy Sue Got Married/Butterfly Effect theory of time travel, but since I never saw either, I'm guessing). So I'm not going back into my past, just 366 days earlier. While I possess memories of what transpired over those 366 days, that does not mean they will occur again.
Here's an example to see how you're thinking of it incorrectly. If I go back to the day before, and instead of killing myself on 3/3/06, I blow up NYC (I'm not killed by that). Does that mean on 3/4/06, NYC is ok because the last time I experienced the day 3/4/06 NYC was ok? -
I think it's in totality right now for the east coast, still hasn't risen to where I can see it.
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Shepard Bauer: Yeah, I've thought about NYC not being the world before. In fact, it's also conceivable the world has been saved but not NYC. While we're all presuming Hiro was referring to the bomb, there's no guarantees.
Everybody: Killing Claire is EASY: Stick a branch in her brain. We already know this works. We also know that the brain is the center of the Heroes' power (Chandra tells us this). Removing her (or Peter's) brain would be fatal. -
He stopped the destruction of Manhattan by putting a gun to Hiro's head and saying: "I am commandeering your time travel device to save this nation!"
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"from Isaac's perspective" doesn't really matter. his intentions might be good, but this is the classic tragic trap of drama- the "hero" chooses the path to darkness (for altruistic reasons, of course) and in so doing becomes a tragic character. Isaac might not know that the Primatech people are the bad guys, but WE do. Also, in the tradition of comic books, there has to be an evil government organisation, the same way there has to be an arch nemesis.
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Also remember that HRG wanted info about his daughter; I'm sure they treated Isaac a lot better than they treat normal captures.
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and she was the one who needed saving? now that would be cool. kind of. almost definitely.
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Isaac doesn't really choose exactly what scenes to draw... And I think the heroin actually made his power more effective for predicting undeterminable future events. All his new paintings since getting off the junk have been of either invisible Peter (present or very near future) or himself and Simone (near future). Both these things he is personally invested in. The original paintings were of things he couldn't have imagined taking place. I think the heroin helped his subconcious 'future-sense' to roam free and pick up any future events that would drastically affect the world (or perhaps even events that would drastically affect himself). I don't think he can visualize the lotto drawing and then go play the numbers. But who knows. I followed the time travel debates intently, and intend to bring my own logic to the table at some point... But it's so hard to 'explain' time travel without any kind of visual aide. Oh well. Love the ideas tho. How many Chrth's can kill Chrth before Chrth becomes the Chrth that is killed? =D Better than woodchucks. Actually, a note on something that just popped into my head... Although it's not as literal as Hiro's power, Isaac has the ability to 'time travel' as well, he just can't travel through space. He can visualize the future, but not transport himself to it. But does he alter it merely by visualizing it? If he had never drawn the painting of Peter 'dead' at the Homecoming, Peter wouldn't have known where to go and therefore wouldn't have been there to fulfill the prediction of the painting. Therefore, by being drawn the painting made itself true. Self-fulfilling destiny? Every other painting Isaac has drawn has come true... None of his painting actually depicted the cheerleader dead. The reason we believed the paintings related to the cheerleading dying were because of Future Hiro's 'prophecy', but in fact each painting being created led to the events within the painting happening. The paintings which have not come true are: Hiro fighting the dinosaur, the Exploding Man, and the Destruction of New York. Now, I can't exactly remember EVERY painting, so chrth, wonka, all the other Heroes TB junkies, help me out here... Have there been any paintings that depicted an event that passed in a different way than the painting portrayed? I remember a painting of Charlie the waitress at one point, right? Hmm... I need a grouping of screenshots of every Isaac painting shown so far... Where am I going with this? Well, there are two possibilities. If none of the paintings have ever been wrong, then the destruction of New York is most likely inevitable and can't be changed (and, in fact, the painting itself may be the indirect cause of the explosion - it led Peter to Isaac in the first place, which was a major catalyst for these events). But perhaps they *can* be changed, but only by altering the timeline, such as Hiro can. If Future Hiro never came back, the paintings wouldn't have been linked to Claire since it was Peter who informed Mohinder who informed Eden who informed HRG about Isaac, and HRG who connected the dots to Claire. Then Isaac may never have painted Peter at the homecoming at all, if HRG never kidnapped him and forced heroin on him, and all the other paintings would have come true as they did. Ok, I said I wasn't going to get into time travel right now, dammit, so I'm just going to stop rambling... More from me later.
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There's still some debate about the dead cheerleader painting. HRG was convinced it was Claire, but it wasn't obvious. Also, you can't tell if the head is cut off or not because of the blood flow (the other cheerleader only had her head cut, not the top removed). So the answer is a definite maybe.
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I don't mean to piss all over the Heroes love parade, but when Lost was new it got all sorts of praise and fan worship, and then they introduced a bunch of new characters in the second season and everyone started freaking out and hating it. Again, I'm not saying there's anything wrong with Heroes, but let's remember that it's still in its first season, and Lost is in its third. It's entirely possible that Heroes could derail and turn into some horrible shadow of what it is now. Then some new geektacular show will come along that we'll all fall in love with, and we'll all be wondering, "Why can't Heroes be more like this?"
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a 'definite' maybe, not a maybe maybe. Yea, I actually have the episode stopped on the shot of that specific painting from when HRG is first talking to Isaac about Claire. Freaky. I was going to say it doesn't really look quite like the others of Claire, but you can't tell for certain. Hmmm... If we assume it *was* Claire, then Future Hiro managed to save her by warning Peter, therefore Hiro at least has the ability to alter Isaac's predicitions. If it was Jackie, then everything Isaac paints has and *will* come to pass. Following this logic, Jackie would have died anyway, whether Peter came or not, and Isaac never painted Claire actually dying. Hmm... I'm gonna make some tacos. Fiesta!
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If Heroes starts to suck, we'll be first in line to say so. Fortunately for Heroes fans (and unfortunately for Lost fans), it looks like TPTB intend to wrap things up on a seasonal basis. That way if, say, Season 3 sucks, we can still enjoy Seasons 1 and 2 by themselves.
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We're in the same boat. If the show goes downhill for a season, it hurts the entire show.
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This website has great scientific breakdowns of time travel movies. Mr's Wonka and chrth, you have to see this:
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Yes the past can be changed and no one would ever know. If you tarvel into the past and alter something important to the future EVERYTHING would change. No one would ever know, UNLESS they were outside any given timeline ( assuming there are more than one)
If the past can NOT be changed, then the future is ALWAYS predetermined. A causal infinite loop of predetermined actions and reactions. Goodbye free will.
Some light reading via the master Heinlien
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/By_His_Bootstraps
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%27All_You_Zombies%E2%80%94%27
"—All You Zombies—" tells the story of a young man who is taken back in time and tricked into impregnating his younger, female self (before he underwent a sex change), and who turns out to be the offspring of that very union, with the paradoxical result that he is both his own mother and father. In fact, as it turns out, all the major characters in the story are the same person, at different stages of her/his life.
The Simpsons episode is based on A Sound Of Thunder
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Sound_of_Thunder
In the last episode Peter used a sonic blast on Isaac. Where did he get that? It was clear it wasn't just telekinetic due to the voice distortion.
Peter has picked up powers from those he knows and those WE DON"T KNOW. Anyone with a power within his Kekashi range (Kakashi Hatake (He is known as Copy Ninja Kakashi (コピー忍者のカカシ, Kopī Ninja no Kakashi?) or Sharingan Kakashi (写輪眼のカカシ, Sharingan no Kakashi?), referring to the Sharingan in his left eye and his use of it in battle, which has allowed him to copy more than one thousand jutsu.))
So Peter has all Sylars powers, if in fact he had anything other than telekinesis when they fought, Nathans/Claudes/Isaacs/Hiros/ Claires/Parkmans/and anyone he may have passed in the street. That is a substantial arsenal.
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Yep we all have a one way ticket to the future, thus making us all time and space travelers.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Travel_in_Science_Fiction
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the 'sonic blast' (if that's indeed what the voice distortion is - seems plausible) on Claire's mother, and his voice was distorted the same way in Peter's vision of Nathan/Sylar when he was in jail. "How can you stop what's coming... (voice deepens) when you don't know anything about POWER." Another hint at Claude's importance in refining Peter's abilities? Heh. Copy Nin Peteru... The Mutant Sharingan(!!!) Of course, Kakashi or any of the Uchiha clan need to see the jutsu performed to copy it. Hm, you mentioned Heinlein *and* anime in a post about Heroes. I applaud you, sir! Really wish they would have done Kakashi Gaiden before continuing on with Part 2. Hopefully, this means they'll make it into a badass hourlong movie.
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Uh, Simone is D-E-A-D per the actress and the creator.
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Kring said that? Where? Not that it *really* matters, as we'll know either way in two days, but I'm curious. Pretty convinced she's a goner, mostly because the promos seem to insinuate she's not. Probably gonna be a dream sequence or something, eh? Or her power is that when she dies she becomes a zombie! Wasn't there some rumor that she has phoenix powers tho? Then she would be 'dead', but would also come back to life later. I mean, Claire 'died' and came back. She had no heartbeat and her blood had lost all oxygen. That's 'dead' as far as the medical world is concerned. Although, if she really had 'phoenix' type powers, what happens if you cut off her head? Could the rest of the body regenerate on it's own, or would she need to be reassembled like Claire? Actually, if they go with phoenix she should just burst into flames when she dies and then morph back from the ashes. Now *that* is actually a pretty cool power. She'd basically be immortal. Unless you put the ashes in an airtight jar. Or something.
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I love them. I actually love the whole cast. I don't want anyone to die. Especially Nathan.
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i have a feeling that we'll find out that sylar has the exact same power as peter, and because he's a psychopath, he simply THINKS he has to kill people and take their brains to get their powers. as for the future episode, i have a sneaking suspicion that it will revolve around the events that lead up to Hiro deciding to go back and warn past-peter. in other word we will learn WHY hiro decides to tell peter he must "save the chearleader [to] save the world". any thoughts?
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you people have the worst taste. Wow every episode the world ends. The show is a crap fest with the mango salsa
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I HATE STUPID SAYINGS LIKE THAT
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about what that guy is talking about. Hey, buddy! This ain't no halfway house! Move it along if you need a fix of the 'mango salad', or whatever you fuck junkies call it. ...anyway. I did have something to say, I swear... O_O! Damn spastic junkies, makin' me lose my train of thought...
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It would be fun if there was an episode where future Hiro and present Hiro worked side-by-side. Just because present Hiro is so silly and future Hiro is a such a bad ass.
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give Hiro back his powers! Also, does anyone remember a few months ago, we saw another one of Isaac's comics in which there was some kind of blonde hulk-monster thing? Possibly Nikki/Jessica shapechanging?
Which reminds me, if Isaac does die, when did he get around to actually drawing/publishing his comic that Hiro is *about to find* on the magazine rack? There hasn't been any mention of it, but it's kind of a big plot point, and it seems that there was more than one issue published. Or, weirder still, the very issue Hiro brings back in time with him becomes the template for printing? In which case the comic created itself? Cooool. Or stupid. -
I have a theory (I'm sure it's been presented before) That The evil one (Jessica, right?) is actually a disembodied ghost with the power to 'possess' her sister, and that Nikki's natural power is the super strength, but it's been supressed by Jessica's evil influence on her. It kind of reminds me of an old X-Men villain, I think she was called Malice? I just remember her from around the time the X-Men went to shit. early nineties.
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While not exactly incorrect, it's just misleading, the painting of Claire on the steps with the shadow looming, it's actually Peter's shadow not Sylar's. I was thinking that it might be an incorrect one because Peter is with her when Sylar appears, but I just rewatched the scene and Claire stumbles while under Peter's shadow, which is the painting. And then there is Hiro and the dinosaur. By the way, did anyone else wonder why the painting was still in Isaac's loft when he and peter are fighting? Shouldn't it be with Hero and ripped?
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if Sylar absorbed powers like Peter, he would have the hatian's powers, and a host of other people's that he met, but didn't de-brain.chrth, there's gonna be a way to poke a hole in your time travel theory, I just can't wrap my brain around it yet. I just got back from the editing lab for 8 hours, so I've got the idea of piecing together timelines and reality on the brain. (how many times can I say brain in one post?) look for a definitive hole being poked later tonight (which you'll see tomorrow I assume) or tomorrow morning (which you'll still see tomorrow). so basically, look at my next post...(I'm retarded)
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I have figured out a cool way of expressing your theory, it may help clarify our argument, or it may simply obfuscate it even further. you mentioned the idea of string, so here it is, tell me if I've got it correctly...imagine, as you said, time as a roll of string, with the timeline as the string unraveling in one, straight line. wherever the time traveler is at any given point is the end of the string. if the time traveler goes back in time, he's simpling re-winding the ball of string back to a point, so that the end of the string (his time) is earlier than he started. in essence, you're treating time travel as simply zooming forward or backward extremely fast (infinitely fast), rather than jumping from one time or another. you're rewinding and fast forwarding, only once you're in a new time, you don't have to sid idly by, as we would with a videocassette, you can change it. (back ot the string) so if he were to go back to the beginning of time, in theory, the string would be completely wrapped up in the ball, right?OK, so that means, that if he goes back to a certain point, and alters the string. let's say he dyes it purple. as the string unrolls onward, the very end that he dyed purple (his reality) remains purple, because it's only the end of the string that moves with him. his present time is always the end of the string. the "purple" is the newly created timeline...if he were to go back a little earlier than the last point he went to, and dye the string red, it would be red from then on, because it would negate the purple section.but in linear time (even treated in this way) the string itself is not sufficient to express it. the string is the passage of time, in actuality, not time itself. the string must be unrolling past (bear with me here) a measuring stick. so that when the string is rolled back up, where the end is as it's rolling, or unrolling, has a measurement (a date, in reality). and when the time traveler goes back and dyes the string purple, in the original scenario, he's not really dying the string purple, he's adding something to the time AND the passage of time after that. he's putting a pool of purple dye on the ground at a certain point on the timeline, so that as the string keeps passing through it, it is continually dyed. (in actuality, it should be thus that the string would become white again, if it went through the pool of dye backwards) so that if he rewinds the ball of string so that the end of the string is past (earlier) than where the pool of dye is, he still must change the pool of dye, otherwise, when the string is unraveled agian, it will pass through the dye again.wait, shit, I just got myself back into the normal time trvel pradoxes, not your theory...ok, let me rethink this...
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I realize now why there is no way to poke holes in this. your time traveler is a narrator. his perspective becomes the reality. he goes back and kills himself, and returns to his normal time. then he thinks better of it, and goes back to a day before, somehow erasing it, and then return to where he started, crisis averted, right? but that's only because in the scenario, the only true reality is in the eye of the time traveler. his past and his present are all that matters.but what if there are two time travellers, A and B? A goes back a day, and puts B in a prison. when A returns, B should be locked up in a prison, according to your theory (where A is your only time traveller, who created the reality). but what if the next day, B breaks out of prison, travels back in time to the day that A puts him in prison, and kills A. then you have a man killing another man for doing something that he's preventing the man from doing by killing him. a classic paradox. the problem isn't that in your time theory ChrTh can't do whatever he wants, because he can (or at least, I can't seem to figure out how to prove he can). the problem is that the only way it works is if he's the only one time traveling...wait, shit that doesn't work. that's just the same as your epic battle with wonka and chrth idea. suppose A survives, he can just go back and kill B the day before. you just keep rewinding it back until one of them is dead, or incapacitated, and then time unravels from there...shit!!!!
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in your theory of time travel, your just going forward or backward infinitely fast, you're not jumping anywhere. that's why when you go back a day before you kill your past self, you can just hang out and nothing happens on the day that originally, you went back and killed your past self.but the problem I have is the omniscience and supreme power of the time traveler. he has a machine, not a godlike power. when he goes back to a point, changes something, then returns to his original time, life is changed, but his memory is not. his memory remains of the original unfolding of the timeline. OH WAIT!!! I GOT SOMETHING!!!
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according to the logic we've se out in Chrth's time travel theory...if A goes back in time 10 minutes, and kills himself, then returns to his original time. his body will be sitting there on the floor (the result of being killed). no problem.if he goes back 5 minutes, his body is on the floor, maybe a little warmer (the result of being killed). no problem.if he goes back 11 minutes, he can chat with himself, hang out, play poker, no one comes to kill anyone. right?
if he goes back 9 minutes and 30 seconds, he sees the vapor trail left by the time machine. his self is on the floor, bleeding and trying to speak, but then he dies (the result of being killed).what if he goes back 9 minutes and 45 seconds? following the same progression, shouldn't he be able to see himself killing his old self? how can he not, logically? he sees the result of it in closer and closer intervals, he must be able to see the act itself. and if that's the case, then the time traveler is encountering not just his former self, but his (in a sense) CURRENT time traveling self. if this is the case, then the timeline cannot simply be an extending and deextending line, we have to say that different points in time exist at the same time. and with that, come all the paradoxes.that may not be sufficient forever, but it's sufficient for me to be able to fall asleep. -
Simone's Death: http://www.usatoday.com/life/t elevision/news/2007-02-19-hero es-cypress_x.htm (remove spaces) ... unless the entire article was created to confuse us, but I doubt it (note though that I was semi-incorrect; Simone-actress tells us what Kring said, but we don't hear it from Kring his-own-self).
BadMrWonka: Almost there. Yes, he would see the results of the death. In fact, he can see the murder if he arrives *after* the murderer arrived (say the murderer arrived 10:15 minutes ago. If ChrTh time-travels less than that amount, the murder happens). If he arrives before (say, 10:15:01), the murder doesn't happen. He's not seeing his CURRENT time-travelling self, he's seeing his PAST time-travelling self. -
Sylar doesn't absorb powers like Peter, though. Sylar has to reconfigure himself to gain the powers. That requires at least some time of study (maybe that's why he takes the brains?). Peter, on the other hand, is like a sponge -- he just absorbs them. All Peter need is presence.
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Always remember that he (or she) who travels back the furthest to change time wins. Now, because of the erasure effect, it is conceivable that the timeline could reach a configuration in which time travel doesn't occur. This is (I believe) a Larry Niven argument (since we can't remember what happened before time was changed, if we actually a memory of history then time travel does not exist) if you ignore the Trek multiverse theories.
One (last?) thing I want to point out about my theory: I don't believe physical time travel is possible for the same reason I don't believe FTL is possible: the energy requirements are too vast to do it. It may be possible to do a 'view-only', or to travel within your mind to the past, but I don't see how objects can be displaced.
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There's a single space-time and that space-time would include any time travel events (so-called "closed time-like loops" can exist in space-time). Talking about "changing" the "timeline" is just erroneous: there's no outside point from which to view the time-dimension as being "changed," all events would already be included within the single space-time that makes up our Universe. Obviously this precludes you from killing your own grandfather, but that's not paradoxical, it just means that if you travel back in time you already know you will fail in any attempts to kill your grandfather. You have foreknowledge of the events that will transpire; that's weird, but it's not a paradox. The other time travel scenarios that appear in fiction (multiple timelines, etc) are what's called "lazy writing." See philosopher David Lewis' "The Paradoxes of Time Travel" (collected in "Philosophical Papers, Vol. 2") for an excellent overview. (The movie 12 Monkeys is the closest to getting this right.)
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Sylar doesn't eat the brains, he looks at them and figures out how they work - well enough to make his own brain work that way and 'copy' the powers of others - that's why he needs the brains, so he can look at them. Just like how he looked at Chandra's watch and told him its not working properly. What's really freaky is the fact that since his only power is to figure out how things work, the rest of his brain is 'human' - therefore ALL humans have the capability to do all the powers that Sylar (or anyone else) has, they just don't know how to make their brains work that way... weird eh? :D
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Remember, Chandra identified Sylar via the Genome Project, so he has to have the modifications that the Heroes do; what they couldn't figure out is what his power actually was.
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Doc insisted that Marty keep a low profile because if marty messed with the past it would alter the future. That is what biff did, Biff Bought the almanac, became a billionaire, shot Martys Da(glovers demands kept him out of the second film) and bankrupted hillvalley. You cant change the past without altering the future. Something happend in past to change the lives of these people.
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Folks, there really are various theories about time travel.
If you want the simplist version, you can divide all the theories into two categories:
Back to the Future time travel: Where you can change the future and the past, still travel into the new, alternate reality, but the changes will slowly catch up to you, too.
Bill & Ted Time Travel: There is only one timestream, and so anything you're going to do will always be a part of the timestream.
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I always kinda looked at the difference between Sylar and Peter is that Peter is a sponge (as noted). Drop a power on him, squeeze it, out it comes. Sylar is more like a gun. He takes the power, but has to kinda 'load it up' before he can use it. Hmmm that would actually be a cool way to make a Rogue-type character like Peter and Sylar... Call them 'the Gun', let them absorb powers, but each one can only be used once, like mutant bullets in a clip. Probably been done before. Whatever. chrth, interesting read, missed that one. Yep, seems she be super deadz0rz. I for one won't really miss her, they weren't lying about her story not being able to go anywhere. They had two options basically, give her a power (which would be kinda lame for her not to know about at this point) or make her pregnant, which is totally played out. I commend them, actually, for killing off characters whose story has played out. Some shows, not so much.... Any bets on the other death being Isaac? I've already concluded beyond the shadow of a doubt that time travel will never occur in my lifespan (or at least, that I will never be able to personally travel to the past). If I could time travel, then there would be a future me walking in the door right now. Whiiiiich there's not. Oh well. No time travel. However I do agree with chrth that we will be able to 'time-view', observe the past without actually being a corporeal entity within it. Actually, it's easy. If we could travel faster than light, then we could just travel X lightyears away and view Earth as it was X lightyears ago. So if I travel ten lightyears away and look back at Earth thru a super powered telescope, I would be able to see Earth as it was in 1997. But since I'm just viewing lightwaves, obviously nothing can be changed. Although, I'm still open to the idea of traveling forward in time, even without using cryostasis or anything, but there would be no way of making a return trip. The other bitch about time travel (which Hiro accounts for by being able to bend time AND space) is that if I used a device that could theoretically send me a day into the future - literally remove me from the time and space for a day and then deposit me back - Well, I'm going to be floating in the middle of space because in that 24 hours, the Earth has moved X whatever million miles away from that position on it's orbitol path. Oh, man. It has nothing really to do with time-travel, but anyone ever read Heinlein's "Number of the Beast"? Fan-fucking-tastic book. They cruise around in a flying car that can instantly travel in 6 dimensions - x, y, z (normal space dimensions) and uhh.. I forget the labelings of the other dimensions, but it turns out that there are 6^6^6 alternate universes that can be visited by changing the last three coordinates. One axis is parallel Earths, one axis is completely weird universes (like one that is inside out - Like a hollow ball of space in the middle and land surrounding on all sides. If you dig too deeply into one wall you come out the other side) and the last axis is 'imagined' worlds - such as Oz, Wonderland, any written story. The idea is that by imagining a story, a universe containing that story is created. Pretty fucking cool. Nothing to do with time travel. Just popped in there.
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I LOVE THIS SHOW. I've never been so excited for Mondays.
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Why am I picturing you jumping up and down shaking your hands?
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It's because I am!! Actually my hands are in my pants. But I'm still jumping up and down.
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Global TV @ 9:00 PM. I'm so happy to be Canadian right now:)
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we didn't have HD or else I'd get it tonight and watch it. But it's so, SO much better in high def. Mmmm crystal clarity...
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Upon further review, "jealous" is just right. Hope it's as good as last week's.
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So, where the fuck did HDC come from, anyway? The Haitian had JUST left from the back door when he comes in, but when he comes out, the Haitian notices him and runs. So... how did they not see him going in? Was he like, hiding in the bushes? What if his power were to be able to open a door and make it lead anywhere he wants (like the Key from 'The Lost Room')? Actually, I guess it doesn't even have to be *his* power... Maybe it's the chick from the end of the episode. Just thought I'd throw that out there.
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I agree, but I am also in the camp that saving HRG's daughter(his heart) saved him and now the good guys have someone on the inside. Another thing is that Claire is Nathan Petrelli's daughter, and we saw his interest in her. His heart was broken, but somewhere in the future he will realize she was the cheerleader and that she is his daughter. These realizations may change his opinion on the entire super hero situation later on. Saving Claire saved the world. Saving her saved Nathan(congressman possible president), Peter(blowing up), HRG(from going completely villain, and possible going spy).
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anyone got a link?
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great ending.. anyone else watching in Canada?
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you are thinking of only the end result, only from the perspective of the very last action taken by the time traveller. but it's only last because we describe it last in the sequence of events. it's happening at the same time.as in the last example, A goes back 10 minutes, kills his former self, then returns to the present time. then he goes back 9 minutes and 55 seconds, and meets his self doing the murdering. but what abotu the murdering A? from his perspective, he goes back in tinme to kill his former self, and all of a sudden, there's him from the future there. but he doesn't know why, because he hasn't finished the murder, and gone back to his original time, then gone back again. but then, what if he is killed? then he can't finish the murder, go back, then go back again. etc. etc. it's a paradox, either way.if you look at it as just the end result from the perspective of the time traveler, as though he is the narrator of reality, then it negates the idea of time. if he can go back and do something, then go back a minute earlier, and wait, and nothing happens, then the idea of any consistent timeline is rendered moot. the time traveller goes where he wants, and does whatever he wants, and because there is no logical timeline, there are no paradoxes. to put it another way, in the same scenario, we are looking at everything form the perspective of the last traveller. he goes back 9:55, sees his former self killing his former former self. what if the former self is startled, and kills him too? now he becomes the arbiter of reality and time. but if the last time traveller had only come a minute earlier, he'd never have existed, right?I have to go poop.
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I don't want to interupt your excellent talkback but the ep just finished playing here in Canada. I'm waiting for the other talkback to start and the show to air but some might not.
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Sylar's power is that he figures things out, as long as he can 'see' them to analyze. other than that, he has no 'absorbing' or 'copying' powers like Pete, he's just so good at making things work, he can make his brain work like the others' brains... Just because Claire can heal herself, that doesn't mean she knows how to turn invisible - but the fact that Syler can figure things out and figure out how to make his brain do the same things... that tells me that even though Claire doesn't know how to turn invisible or fly, she *could* figure it out (that is, her brain has the capacity to do them, if she could figure out how to make it) kinda like a car that has a 6th gear that you never knew about until one day you happened to see it on the internet or something...
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you're implying that sylar's power is just diagnosing other powers, and that when he manipulates his own brain to use other powers, it's just mechanical, and anyone could do it.but sylar never touches his own brain, we never see scars or incisions. I think his power is that he can manipulate his own brain (and by extension, his corporeal form, powers, etc.) just with his own thought. I think he just has to examine the brain of someone with power to get an idea of what he needs to change. a neurosurgeon might be able to examine the brain of a hero, and notice something out of the oridinary, but they could just blink their eyes, and have the power. Sylar has more than just the power of diagnosis, he can alter himself jore than a "normal" person could, jsut with his powers of thought.I still haven't pooped. I'm hooked on AICN!! look at Mori's new post about 12 years ago.
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Great ending, pretty tight, nice cameo, hate the new character. Wanna know more Americans? ;-)
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shhhhhhhhh, save it for tomorrow's tb ;)
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Pretty satisfying, albeit not as good as last week, but it certainly ends on a great note that will question a lot of the comments said at the beginning of this talkback.
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AAAAARRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHH!!!!!
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don't click on that link, it's just the crappy One Up and Away shit that has been stinking up the talkbacks for months. I thought it was gone, but unfortunately not.Twister, go to the Lost talkback, they'll watch anything...fuckhead
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Everytime you go back you're essentially duplicating yourself. In this scenario, ChrTh1 kills ChrTh0 and ChrTh2, and ChrTh1 continues living. Now, ChrTh1 wouldn't have the memories that ChrTh2 formed in the intervening time between his original killing of ChrTh0 and his deciding to go back (and thus become ChrTh2), but he could still live forward as ChrTh1.
There's a deeper question here, though, than just simple time-travel: what happens to the mind? Until ChrTh2 was killed by ChrTh1, essentially, it was the same mind traversing the course from ChrTh0 to ChrTh1 to ChrTh2. With ChrTh2itis Interruptus, though, and the formation of a new timeline for ChrTh1 (note: I'm not saying there's a duplicate timeline, just that ChrTh1's future track is different from the one he had previously lived), what happens to the consciousness? Where is the sense of self? Is it they've become essentially two people with two egos and two sets of memories and thus the death of ChrTh2 essentially ends the mind of ChrTh? What is the nature of ChrTh1's mind? His ego?
Or if we get theological, his soul?
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Dude, that's just WRONG! ROTFLMAO!
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I'm just going to have to d/l the episode tonight and watch it. I can't take the fucking suspense. Last Heroes for six weeks, man...! @_@ Someone just knock me out for the next 22 and a half hours. o_O;
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not that I want to know, exactly...and chrth...there's still a paradox there...existential debate or not, I'm talking cold hard logic. if ChrTh kills the original murdering ChrTh before he can get back to his time machine, then how did he get back to the original time, BEFORE he came back to do the murdering...I've realized the power of your theory. you simply don't sweat the paradoxes, lol...it's the kid with candy version of time travel..."you took your sister's candy...""yeah...but it's candy! I mean, come on..."
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For MANY in the Heroesverse after tonight's episode (yep, I'm someone that supposedly wanders around saying "Eh?" repeatedly). I have a feeling that a certain someone will be okay, despite the ending, but we now know how he will obtain something commented on by future Hiro, and where it will be located. As for another character in the same room as the aforementioned character, erm, not lookin' too hot for him at episode's end. Nor one of the stars of last week's episode, either. Damn. *frets mightily*
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I obviously meant to type "SPOILERS" in my previous subject line. D'oh.
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you're from Canadia. (nope. not a typo. I call it Canadia. You're Canadian, it should be Canadia. ehehe.) As for downloading.. My god man, haven't you ever heard of bittorrent? The most miraculous things can be found. Google it, you'll see. Obviously, it could be used for great evil (like uhh.. ripping off money grubbing studios, for example), but I see nothing wrong with downloading TV shows I could just record (and which, in fact, my dad *does* record. Religiously. We've got like 9,000 DVD-R's of full seasons of every show in the past 3 years. #_#). It's not out yet though. Apparently Canadians aren't as quick at ripping off network TV shows, eh? Oooh, I kid because I love. Wine. I love wine. o_O; Eh?
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Objects are independent of time. Erasure of time does not erase objects. What came before (if it came after) is not important because causality is a human construct. Even if I came from the future, I came from a future that no longer exists (since my mere act of travelling to the past erases the future). By your interpretation there's already a paradox since how could I have traveled to the past if the future has no longer happened, wouldn't that negate my getting in the time machine in the first place? The answer is No, because objects are independent of time. I'm here in 2006, 2007 no longer exists, it hasn't happened yet, and the only memory of what happened is in my brain, not in Time's, so anything can happen in 2007.
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I tried to get it up and running a few months ago, and the amount of shit you have to do. plus I spent hours downloading...what was it? I think "the game" or something, and it was just mislabeled porn. I'll stick with limewire, unless you can tell me that bittorrent is not complicated to set up and I was just mislead.
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Robin Hood! Thanks to the wonders of 'teh Intranet', I can enjoy the BBC's Robin Hood series in it's entirety long before it airs on American soil. I'm on episode 4 now, and it's pretty good. The inevitable cross between Prince of Thieves and Men in Tights - Serious, but not so serious it can't laugh at itself once in awhile. Case in point: Robin and Merry Man stick rolls on the ends of arrows and shoot them over the town guards to feed people. Marianne quips, "What a waste of arrows! You could just *throw* the food over!" to which Robin replies, "But... Where would be the fun in *that*?" Although every other time I hear Robin speak I think "Unlike some other Robin Hoods... I can speak with an English accent."
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if this theory is so bulletproof logically, why isn't it listed among the many time travel theories out there? or is there and I just missed it?
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that's what I meant when I said complicated...multiple sites, multiple words that I barely understand (router, for example)...why can't there jsut be one program, where you just sign in, type in what you want, results pop up, and you click on what you want...limewire does that, but it's slow as HELL...I used to have bearshare, which was fine, but it won't work now that I have a mac...sigh...maybe I'll try to get bittorrent set up, I just tried a couple months ago and I simply could not get it to work properly. it took me forever to get a few files, one was porn, and I'm not even sure how I got them. and that wasn't even on this computer! I feel like I am a reasonably intelligent person, I wrote the html for my own website, I have 4 college degrees, I speak 4 languages, and I could NOT figure out. perhaps it's time to try again. you can do it Wonka!
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but it *is* fun (once you get it to work right). I feel your pain. Just be glad you never had to deal with DC++. Talk about freakin' complicated. I would offer more help, but... You have a Mac, and we ph33r Macs. o_o;
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but I went to film school, and now I do my editing on FinalCut, so I have no choice. I like OS-X though...I'm gonna try bittorrent...do you know where there's just some sort of step by step tutorial on it? and do you have to go to a bunch of different websites every time you want something? or search google?
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I'm not saying I'm the first to come up with it, because in reality it's a combination of ideas and it's more than feasible that someone else has combined them in this manner before. But I like it because it allows 1) free will, 2) the ability to change the future, and 3) the ability to correct any mistakes made while time travelling -- all without creating temporal paradoxes or relying on multiple timestreams as an excuse.
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(see this is why I discuss things with an open mind, because discussion can lead in directions you never considered before)
In the ChrTh2 going back a minute earlier, ChrTh1 might still show up to kill ChrTh0. Not for the reasons you believe (because you're hung up on causality), but because of the transit medium.
Travelling through time requires you to cross the distance t somehow. You can either travel through the x,y,z,t dimensions (this is illustrated in that gods-awful Time Machine movie of a few years back) or you travel through another dimension that runs parallel to t which we'll call p. (Note: p may not have a second x,y,z ... you may only be able to traverse it if you convert your body to tachyonic (or similar) particles, and then we get back to the whole 'energy-requirement' denunciation of time travel, which I've already made. Not important for this specific discussion, but I wanted to note it) An example of p would be Bill & Ted's Excellent Adventure (although theirs did have an x,y,z)
If p exists independently of t (no reason to presume that it doesn't, since every other dimension in this theory is independent of the others), then changes in t DO NOT EFFECT p. Therefore, ChrTh2, arriving 1 minute earlier, would still have to stop ChrTh1 because ChrTh1 would always emerge from p at the specified t.
The problem with p is that it presumes another dimension, thus conflicting with my base idea of the simplest theory possible. It also has the problem of the necessity being tied to x,y,z as well, otherwise going back a day would put you out into space (because the Earth would be a day behind you). This makes it sound like p only exists specifically for time travel. As a result, I'm not sure I'm ready to accept this interpretation.
The problem with x,y,z,t transit is that since you're moving through x,y,z you can affected by events that occur in the space you're travelling through. I know some time travel stories have 'protective bubbles' and what-not associated with it, but I don't see how that's in reality any different than a controlled p.
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It is feasible that p could actually have a contact point with every x,y,z,t, so that one could travel to any x,y,z,t co-ordinate. Which means not only could you travel to any point in time, but any point in space as well. Crikey!
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Don't go time zipping around and killing each other...you're not Jet Li! You will not get 'stronger'...I think. Would you end up getting a black box if you kept killing yourself?
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I'm a thou shalt not kill kind of guy. The problem is that time travel theory requires the 'kill yourself' test. And Wonka seems obsessed with the idea of making sure I murder myself over and over ... hmmm ...
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other chick" theory. Would time fold upon itself if I hit that college booty instead of the other one?Very curious as to how the rest of this season plays out. I'm hoping to see some sort of league/faction be formed.
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Presuming you transit through x,y,z,t instead of p, you can keep tapping as much as possible, just keep going back 1 second earlier to try another chick.
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I don't think we'll see anything along those lines until next season. There's too much with the current crisis to deal with.
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for good. Sometimes you would have to take one for the team. For instance, if Hillary had one good screwing done to her, perhaps things would have ended up different now.I would think that at the end of the season, after saving NYC, that a league/faction will be in place.
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...does this mean there is another me who flunked Journalism in college? Or is there only one who passed it? (reference to my own time travel mystery posted on earlier thread)
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to see how they "work" in regards to their particular powers, then can manipulate his own genetic code, specifically his brain composition, to mimick the dead hero and gain the ability to use whatever power they did. They set that up by showing how he was able to see how the watches worked by looking at their insides.
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... if he merely examines the brains, why are they missing? Unless he's lugging a huge collection of brains in jars around with him, he must be doing *something* to make those brains go away while obtaining genetic material to absorb his victims' powers. There is really only one answer...and it's pretty obvious. But the writers of the show don't actually want to show it cause of standards and practices. Plus they think it might be unintentionally humourous to have Sylar all zombied out munching brains on camera.
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He destroys the brains afterwards. This way, if someone else shows up with his power, they won't be able to examine the brains to add the new power to their arsenal.
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...but there is a cool plot possibility with the "eats brains, acquires others DNA" idea. If Sylar keeps adding to his DNA, altering his genetic structure again and again - - wouldn't that ultimately lead to some really freaky stuff? You can only do so much to your genetic code until you are not even the same organism anymore. Sylar is becoming a chimera. He could start exhibiting female traits or different eye/hair color. Eventually he might become completely unstable and mutate into something utterly monstrous. Hmmmm could Sylar be the mysterious Uluru?
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It got way to spoilerish in there...I found out some things I would rather not have known in advance. Don't go back over there till after you've seen the show.
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With the Save the Cheerleader, Save the World. The possibility that Sylar would start 'falling apart' by adding too much, but Claire's power would heal him. Now, of course, I think it meant something different.
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So BadMrWonka can find it again.
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We want this thread not to fall too soon into oblivion - - so people who wish to avoid all the spoilage going an the other thread (darn Canadians!) - - have someplace to discuss Heroes without finding out about what happens tonight prematurely.
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in safari. I can always find the page. just no one's posting here. oh well, off to bowling. chrth, if you read this, give me a prediction for luck!
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...no more fear of spoilage lets all go hash this out at the episode's thread.
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