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Tom Cruise Is Ozymandias In Zack Snyder’s WATCHMEN?!
Hey, everyone. ”Moriarty” here.
Well... no, actually.
But he almost was.
Devin over at CHUD just interviewed Zack Snyder, and it sounds like he got some solid tidbits out of him.
If you’re eager for more news of WATCHMEN, including talk of the film’s rating, head over there now and read the piece. Good stuff.
Drew McWeeny, Los Angeles
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Cruise is too short to be Ozymandias. What about Heath Ledger or Guy Pierce?
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Anyone who complains about this has never read the book. Yeah, the hair color is different otherwise its an egotistic, megalomaniac, super celeb. The only role that should be a celeb in this film. I hope its true.
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Brad Pitt would be good.
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Man, this sounds like the love is there. I will cautiously offer up an "I'm excited" comment.Too bad about Cruise - I wanted him in this role.
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Tom Cruise hate begin... and I'm still looking forward to your Zodiac review Moriarty ^_^
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Hands down it has to be Brad Pitt as Ozymandias, and Rorschach can't be anyone but David Caruso. Please no Buscemi.
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Cruise is only good when playing darker characters, hope this is true. Could be amazing.
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And who cares about the height thing.
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That is actually a pretty good idea. If Ryan Phillippe were about 10-15 years older, he would be good too.
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The Movie if it starred Baltar.
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but there are good looking actors in hollywood other than Pitt and Cruise. Pitt would be especially miscast as Ozymandias, because he's supposed to be an upper-class kind of guy. Pitt, even though he kinda looks right for the part, is better suited to playing cowboys or cops or hipster alteregos to disturbed insurance adjusters. When he plays a "classy guy" it always comes off as wooden and disingenuous. He doesn't have the intensity required to make Veidt belevable, which I'll admit, Tom Cruise does. What about Matt Damon, he's about as baby-faced as they come? Too young maybe?
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But that would have been perfect casting.
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yeah, right.
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The lack of height could be worked around with camera tricks.And he sure wouldn't have to act AT ALL. Well, except for that whole "unifying the world" part.
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most famous person on the planet. MAtt Damon is good, but a child compared to Pitt. What Cruise and Pitt bring to that role is believability that they could be that famous. Matt Damon, and many of the other talented and qualified actors wouldn't bring that to the table. That was my point. And isn't the whole point of Veidt that he was wooden and disingenuous (without getting into a spoiler)
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But STACY KEACH MUST BE THE COMEDIAN!At least audition the guy!
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Cruise is always best when indulging his sociopathic side. And Ozymandius had one of the most post-modern savior complexes in fiction (pre-Neo, that is), so it's only right that Scientology's Jesus figure represent him on screen. The more I think about it, the sadder I am it didn't work out. Pitt could do it, but not with the same ease and believability. I'm very much looking forward to this film, regardless. Snyder gets a free day in court from me on anything he does (not a pass if it ends up being shit, mind you, but I will go and see his stuff because he's impressed me so far).
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Not sure about Pitt. He comes off a little too gritty. He's probably got the chops to pull it off, but I'd wager there's someone better. I just haven't thought of who it is yet.Actually, Christian Bale would kill in that part, now that I think about it.
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Personally, I can;t stand the guy and I think he's a personality vacuum, but he's a Watchmen nut, even has tattoos and I KNOW he was lobbying hard for the role a number of years ago. Or was it Rorscharch? Anyway, he can play creepy manipulative bastards (see Closer, and not just for Portman's thong-encircled ass) and he's good looking enough for the role. Plus, he has an air of supercilious arrogance that would fit Veidt's shoes perfectly.
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Bale kills in just about every part, and I don't want anything to get in the way of future Batman films.
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But his American accent sucks balls.
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Did Cruise really want to play that character after reading the comic? Did he miss the part where the guy creates a fake space alien so the world will be at peace? (insert scientology joke here)
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I don't know - Matt Damon would rock. I feel a Ben Affleck presence wafting about like cigarette smoke, though. I just fear the wrong casting - because that will make or break the film.
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Further gives me faith that this guy is getting it. Very interesting observation about movie audiences being in the same position as comic audiences when Watchmen came out. We have a point of reference for superheroes on film approaching a hackneyed genre, so now we're ready for a serious critique. Brilliant stuff. However, it seems to contradict the great reasoning behind setting it in the 80s. Can you have it both ways? In reality, only Alan Moore could update it so that the parallel works. As it stands, setting it in the 80s seems the best (and most interesting) option. Don't know about the Black Freighter stuff (though Rome did steal 'the raft out of bodies' idea) - not sure that will translate well to screen - visually maybe, but I don't think the point will land. Anyway, Jude Law still makes sense as Ozy but Cruise might have been interesting.
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keanu is going to be the giant blue naked guy. get snider could gerald butler to be the comedian.
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nooga nooch
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William H Macy, maybe Giovanni Ribisi.
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that Nazi fetish outfit.
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John Cusack as Night Owl, John C McGinley as Rorsharch, Christian Bale as Ozymandias, Mickey Rourke as The Comedian, Random Hollywood hottie as Silk Spectre and... wait for it... a CGI mo-cap performance for Dr Manhattan.
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I think he works well in ensembles. I liked him in Magnolia. It's when he's the frontman that he gets on my nerves.
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Too bad he didn't get the gig.
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Simon Pegg
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...Daniel Craig for Dr. Manhattan, Zooey Deschanel for Silk Spectre, Harvey Keitel for the Comedian, and James Spader as Nite-Owl. Pretty solid dream cast, IMHO.
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I'll believe it when I see it. I guess they could go for the Sin City audience this way.
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Tim Robbins. Hair can be dyed. Plus, we are still talking about heroes "just" past their prime, yes?His ego wouldn't deny it.PS: I wrote this only because I realize Alec Baldwin couldn't possibly abstain from his love for pasta...
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Tom Cruise would have been titz, and built back up his street cred 'mong the execs.
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but LOVE this idea. Come on, Tom!
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Brad Pitt was the actor considered for the role, back in the Greengrass days. Now that Cruise is out (and I'm happy he's not doing it), maybe they'll reconsider Pitt. Or they'll convince Jude Law that he's more suited to Ozymandias than to Rorshach.
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Bah! Puny humans!
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Why would fanboys be quaking in their boots? Cruise is a great choice for Ozymandias.
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What about Bruce?
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Just askin'....
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Would be perfect. Cruise will not want to play the character as he is written. At least I'll wager, that guy's a control freak.
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He is good at playing self-indulgent characters.
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how do you do it?
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The only reason anyone is exhausted is because Hollywood can barely make a good comic book movie, not for the lack of great source material. I really doubt Watchmen will elevate the genre AT ALL. More like drag it down to the depths.
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Val Kilmer would make an excellent Ozymandias.
I know he's too tall , but come on - John C MicGinley IS Rorsharch. Maybe they could "hobbitize" him or something.
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Sigourney - first Silk Spectre. Christopher Meloni - Comedian. Tom Noonan - Dr. Manhattan. William Macy or William Peterson - Owl. And Rorshach must be a TOTAL unknown or it blows the point of the character. If Snyder casts a recognizable face as 'Shach, then forget it.
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Oh well.
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If he can't see the genius of including the Pirate substory, than he's a dumber socialist queen than I realized. Which is saying a lot, because CHUD is chock full of dumbfucks.
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But he's lost all his Emmy steam. Too bad.
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Enough with the "brad pitt would make a great blah blah blah". NO, he wouldn't. simply retarded. unknowns are always the way to go, because there is no prior association with their past work. Ozymandias is the alleged "smartest man in the world" HARDLY the image tom cruise puts forth. fucking producers with their stupid ideas.
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also, I think John C. Reily would make a good rorsharch
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nuf said
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fo sho
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He's just a sparkling blue guy. They even used a guy in a suit for Silver Surfer, (with just a hand of CGI Silver finish), why not the blue Doc?
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mystic pizza!
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or jack nicholson
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as the comedian
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Dita Von Teese. Guy Pearce would be the best Ozy.
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Eddie Murphy as Rorschach eating from a can of beans = OSCAR TIME!!!!
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Burt Reynolds. Or whatshisface, Snake Plisskin. For Ozy, I'd go with either Jude Law (explain the accent via an English boarding school education), or Brad Pitt.
To those that say Pitt couldn't do it, think of the slightly camp yet aparently intelligent meglomania of Fight Club, combined with the neat/posh clean-shaven look of Meet Joe Black. In fact, think of the smug/bemused one-eyebrow raised, lips pursed look on his face for the split second you see him in "Being John Malkovich". The guy can 'do' vanity ok. -
...he'd have been the perfect Veidt. Snyder I'm less convinced with though - for he simply doesn't bring to the peice the intellectual clout that someone like Paul Greengrass does. I don't want a geek to make this film I want a proper filmaker to do it and one who isn't afraid to talk politics in this context (which is perfectly valid) or is seemingly content to express himself in words of one or two syllables. 'Dawn of the Dead' was OK in a vacant-moves-so-fast-you-don't really-notice-the-lack-of-content sort of way and '300' looks flashy and moves nicely but lacks substance and depth - which Watchmen has in spades. I don't know about revitalising the genre this may well be the one that kills it. Unless Tim Story gets there first obviously...
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and Ed Harris for The Comedian
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For Watchmen to work it has to have unknown actors in the leads. The story itself is the star. We want to see the characters not the stars. Not Stunt casting. I cant see Zach pulling this off has a single movie. Better minds have tried. I still think Terry Gilliam should have been the man for the job.
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I don't know what kind of access to Snyder AICN has, but you should get on the horn back to him and have him do whatever it takes to get Cruise. I'm not a Tom Cruise fan but for years I've chewed on who should play Ozymandias and Cruise was always one of the very few names I could think of. I think whoever plays that role should feel apart and unique, and Cruise (love him or hate him) has that quality. Also, get Mel Gibson for the Comedian.
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Since it's taken so damn long for this to happen, to the point that I thought it wasn't ever going to happen, this may be one that I have to stop following. I just want it to be done and on the screen already.
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How does 9/11 prove how the world would react to an alien attack? An attack on Earth such as 9/11 would indicate SIDES, and thus not everyone in the world is under attack. The difference between "you're under attack" and "we're under attack" is significant.
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...I've become convinced that a GIANT cast of big names (most of them famous around 20 years ago) would be great for the superheroes in this film would be a great thing. I know it won't happen, but it would be cool. It would show a great parallel between the fame of the stars and the fame of the superheroes. My new fantasy cast is Tom Cruise for Ozymandias, Bill Murray for Nite Owl II, Paul Newman for Nite Owl I, Burt Reynolds for the Comedian, Julia Roberts for Silk Spectre, Keanu Reeves for Dr. Manhattan and Mark Hamill for Rorsasch. Again, I know it won't happen, but I can hope.
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Although Tom Cruise would be an interesting addition to The Watchmen, I think a MUST for the casting of Rorschach would have to be Henry Rollins!
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I love the idea of Gibson playing The Comedian, great casting idea. As to the posters above who say that you need to cast unknowns, I disagree. All of the characters could be stars as the heroes were the stars in their day and there is a "Gods among men" quality to the story. However, Rorsharch really should be played by a complete unknown, that would make it that much sweeter that a no-name actor gets to play in the same room as the stars and will eventually determine the fate of the world. Plus, he'd steal the movie out from under the noses of every other actor. Assuming he was decent. Finally, the Pirates story is great in the novel but I don't see the value in the film. If someone wants to explain to me how that's going to work (preferably without the insults -- I'm pretty sure I'm not a "socialist queen", genro) that's great but I do agree with Devin on that point.
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Mark Hamill as Rorsharch? LOVE that. The rest of the cast is odd, JECaesar, but that's an inspired choice.
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Ozymandias: Jude LawBill Pullman: Nite Owl IILiv Tyler: Silver Spectre IIRorscharch: Mark HamillThe Comedian: Mel GibsonDr. Manhattan: voice of Matt DamonAnd if I managed to get spaces between those lines as opposed to a bunch of signs I'll be bloody amazed...
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My bad.
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Oh myyyyy.
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I thought more people would have though he was an awful choice. I guess I was mainly thinking about the height thing. Well no actually, I still don't see it.
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As you know, hopefully, I've e-mailed Bascombe, who in turn told me to e-mail you. I've sent a message to you to correspond with every one I leave here. I'd love to write about books, books, motherfuckin' books if you want me to.
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I cannot believe they're filming the pirate stuff. Why the fuck would they film the pirate stuff? That's the one thing in the comic that can be left out. Who goes back, when they re-read or think about the comic, and remembers one god-damn thing about the pirate stuff? Anyone? Please, post and prove me wrong. All I remember is that there is pirates in a comic book a kid reads by the newstand. That is all. This filmaker has no idea what he's doing if that's the case, and it will bomb.
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How can you ignore the ALIEN part of it? 9/11 was an attack on the United States from this world, and everyone knows it. It wasn't an attack on the human race. Watchmen featured an attack from outside the planet, even if it wasn't real, it was accepted as reality. 9/11 was people against people. That offers PEOPLE the ability to view the attack from different perspectives, and even choose a side they can relate to, no matter how wrong you or myself may see it. In Watchmen, it wasn't like the world thought, hey those aliens must really hate New York, or American consumer culture, but thats not my problem. It also appeared to humanity that it was an attack that changed our notion of life and the universe, and could shake people's core beliefs, particularly their religious beliefs.
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Does he no longer frequent AICN? Come back and bring Ill Clinton with you (and Lezbo Milk).
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Warner can feel "bummed" all they want. A PG-13 Watchmen would be an unmitigated disaster. However, the idea of filming the Black Freighter doesn't sound ideal to me, either so... we'll see. If anyone can do The Watchmen justice, then it's Snyder.
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raw shock?
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Origin= Gaelic; Meaning= A Whale's Scrotum.
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He doesn't want the Black Freighter story or to be set in 1985? What version of Watchmen was he reading?
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I just couldn't stand the pole slide any more...
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a very strange thing to say.
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We're talking about ADAPTATION, not copy... Watchmen is bound to its medium and the adaptation should be bound to cinema... So copying every single frame isn't a solution. Greengrass was far more interesting than Snyder because he didn't try to copy everything from the book but to adapt it (and it means adapting the story, adapting the time, knowing WHY you're doing Watchmen now, politically I mean)...
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harvey smoking!
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eckhart's ripe enough
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In all the years I imagined a film version of Watchmen, The Black Frieghter section was always something that I thought could easily be cut out. I hope Snyder isn't leaving it in at the expense of some other great stuff in the "main" storyline. (Of course, I wouldn't mind if we get everything and the movie's 3 hours long!) That said, I have faith in Snyder and I hope he pulls it off successfully. I see Ian McShane as The Comedian and Catherine Zeta-Jones as Silk Spectre 2. I like a lot of choices everyone else mentions, but John C. McGinley as Rorschach seems like a very good idea. Also, a CGI Dr. Manhattan might be just the thing, with maybe a famous actor doing the voice. (Anthony Hopkins?) What about Kevin Kline as Nite Owl? (John Cusack's great, but he just seems so young for the part) Oh, and definitely Jude Law as Ozzy.
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That is either genius or insanity......
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I like the Mark Hamill for Rorshach idea, but how about Callum Keith Rennie? Virtually unknown to American audience, awesome in BSG and Last Night. Also, Larry Miller as the editor of The New Frontiersman, Henry Rollins as voice of Hooded Justice, John Hurt as Moloch, and Ernest Borgnine as Bernard the newspaper man (unless he's dead and I forgot).
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It would top the list of what to cut out for time purposes. This isn't going to be a four hour film, so I'm sure it will be gone.
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Oh..what?
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I can say this, im colored.
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not on this talkback, mind, but i called cruise to play ozymandias about two years ago on an imdb thread.
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i'd like tim roth as rorschach, tom berenger as the comedian, john cusack as the second nite owl, hillary swank as the second silk spectre, a cgi doc manhattan.
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I sincerly doubt he would make a scene-by-scene recreation of it. It can be heavily truncated and interspersed in pieces, throughout the movie. When I first heard the idea I thought it was impossible, but if Synder found a way to make it work then why the heck not? I think the alternate 1985 and freighter stuff is part of what makes Watchmen unique. It should make for a highly original experience. Besides, if people REALLY want to see Watchmen...why not let them see REALLY see it?
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Jude Law in GATTACA was already very close to what I see Veidt as being. Utterly contemptuous of everyone around him. Cast the man! Zooey Deschanel as Silk Spectre (or her equally hottie sister Emily) and Doug Jones as CGI mo-cap Dr Manhattan. John Cusack sounds good as the Owl. But make this dark!!!
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...but the period setting is ESSENTIAL.
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Wake up guys. Tom Cruise IS Ozymandias. i dont mean he is right for the role, he is. i mean he is a crazy bastard plotting to destroy,unite or take over the world. Eckhart would be ok as Ozymandias but jasper has hit the nail on the head by suggesting paddy considine as Rorschach. that is perfect casting.
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What a relief that it didn't happen. God, I hope this movie never gets made.
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To long, too complex
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... as Roschach??? What, instead of the "hrmmms" you'd rather have lots... of Shatneresque melodramatic... pauses? Maybe Rorschach could wear shades over his rorschach mask which he could hammily snatch off at particularly dramatic moments. Caruso as Rorschach... Sheesh!
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Robert Redford was his real-life/cinematic version. Even the way he talked seemed like Redford. Yeah yeah "too old" but still. Maybe that's where some of this Pitt stuff is coming from?
If it's about the short guy syndrome then shouldn't Cruise be the big blue fella? Well, that or the alien thing all works. Poetic in a fucked-up way.
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Paul Giamatti as Owl Dude 2, Helen Mirren as Silk spectre 1 (coz she's got the boobs for it) and James Woods as Rorshach? He has the beady eyed, pockmarked intensity required.
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From his approach to 300 and his Watchmen comments so far, what I think Snyder gets is that you want to translate the pages of the book and not just the storyline. When Moore and Gibbons laid it out, they were quite aware of the aesthetic of laying art panel next to newspaper clipping, next to old-style comic book drawings. Snyder seems to being wanting to do as pure as translation as possible, so insead of the BF as comic book, it will be a cartoon and the old newspaper clippings will probably be vintage movie reels. He's probably banking on most of this being for an extended DVD. What we should hope for is that he gets someone like Timm or Tartkovsky to do the BF stuff. I think this is why he also needs a star-fucked cast. It's the only way to alleviate Horn and co's concerns about his visual approach...but if 300 doesn't do at least 30Mil, this thread is just another circle jerk.
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The Comedian
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It's a juxtaposed metaphor for what's happening to each member at the time. I think we'll get one BF sequence in theater as Snyder's way of showing "that is comic book, this is reality", but the rest will be for the disc...I've always felt only Kubrick or Cronenberg could have made this movie, but Snyder might have more general population approach that works.
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but I think he's too old now. Ten years ago, around Get Shorty, I think he still could have done it.
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Rorsharch = Paddy Considine there is no other choice, Gibson as The Comedian i like as well
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If it wasn't for the fact he already did "V for Vendetta", I had Hugo Weaving as Rorsasch since I first saw him in "The Matrix". However, I must disagree about Ozymandias. I think, rather than being an unknown, he's the Watchman celebrity. He's the one made good, he's the 800-pound gorilla. He's the guy the other Watchmen go to throughout the books, and he pretends to be above it all. The reason I've always thought Cruise was a great choice (and why I am so terribly disappointed that they aren't going to do what they have to to get him) is because I can see him nailing his punchline: "You think I'm some kind of Republic serial villain that you can stop in the last minute? It happened half an hour ago."
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I am a sucker for big budget live action movies with a happy ending.
I am a sucker for reading all the disappiontment and hate the production of this film will insight on AICN.
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Mickey Rourke for The Comedian. He's got the right build. He also would be perfect for an aging Batman if someone ever makes a faithful Dark Knight Returns.
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Kinnear has been under the radar for waaaaay too long, and I think he'd be brilliant. Coming off the relative prestige bump of Little Miss Sunshine, why not? Give him a role where he can really let it rip.
Ever since his Talk Soup days, Kinnear has always been comfortable playing off the irony of his somewhat all-american looks (see Mystery Men)... I just think this would be a perfect role for him!
And I think they should cast an unknown for Rorscarch, because otherwise the audience will recognize him out of costume too quickly...
And you all know William H. Macy or Philip Seymour Hoffman will be Night Owl.
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The right look, the right age, the right type. Plus, he pooched a stewardess in an airplane can!
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As he's only seen in hi 60s in the scene at the beginning, than in the flashbacks he's at least 20 years younger, I strongly doubt they'll cast someone like Dennis Farina or Ian MacShane. George Clooney is closer to the age they will be looking at. Ron Perlman was the one in talks for the Greengrass version, but he'll be busy shooting the sequel to Hellboy this summer.
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Adam Sandler for Rorschach. No seriously, if we can get past his waterboy "fake angry" or Harry Connick Jr. Jeff Goldblum for Dr. Manhatten. Harry Knowles for the news writer guy with ketchup stain on his shirt.
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a super-star. Cruise would be perfect for this role. Like Ozy, Cruise gets attention wherever he is. Plus, whoever said Dennis Farina for the Comedian was right. Thats pefrect casting too
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The youthful looking extremely physically fit, handsome 'most famous face on the planet' - he's a perfect fit.
Rorschach will have to be an unknown, surely? Unless he doesn't feature as he does in the comic book, or unless they aren't bothered about his identity.
Looking forward to this. Not sure about filming the Black Freighter though it'll get most of the fanboys on board - and I'm sure it will be well done, could be some nice cool ideas of how best to represent that... I like setting it in 85 though. I also like Principal Synder's justification for it too.
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Seriously, there's not an actor out there better suited to play this part. Think about his actual life! I recently read in a British tabloid that the Scientologosts think he's their Messiah. Is that so far-fetched?! He would knock this role out of the park.
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- to parallel the height of their fame as heroes.
As such - despite my last post, Kilmer is actually, perfect. As is Keaton for Night Owl (and the obvious synchronicity with his past). Anyone else thing of people who were really big 10 years ago, mid nineties...
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Never believe ANYTHING you read in one of our tabloids. Not even the date.
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This needs to happen.
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Why. Watchmen would have ended up tom cruise movie.
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Cruise would be perfect. World recognized. In his forties. Eccentric. Always the "good guy". Has the presence to be felt without being in all the scenes. Who fucking cares if he doesn't look like him? Who would be a bigger/better choice? And I don't care what the fucktards say about him personally, the guy can fucking act. This movie could single-handedly put him back on top. After all this time getting this movie to the screen, this would have been awesome.
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I remember about 10 years or so ago, Wizard magazine as one of it's monthly comic Casting Calls did a Watchmen cast. They had David Caruso as Rorsach, William Hurt as Night Owl, Demi Moore as Silk Spectre, Dennis Farina as Comedian, Robert Redford as Ozy, the guy from Jag as Dr. Manhattan, and I think that's it. At the time that would have been perfect casting, but now everyone's aged so that list is largely invalid. I've gotta say, Cruise sounds like it would be perfect. As soon as audiences saw him, they'd understand the role Ozy has in that world. Interesting thing about Robert Redford, Ozy definitely has a striking resemblance to him in the comics, and then at the end, after the attack and the world's at peace, there's a newspaper headline saying Robert Redford is running for President. Almost as if something else is going on there.
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a damaging way. It actually honors the character's themes about justice more completely than any of the other films.
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Laura Harring for Silk Spectre II, though no one has been able to wrangle a decent performance out of her since Lynch. Also, there need to be two actors for Dr. Manhattan: Doug Jones in a suit + someone to play Ostermann.
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is a great actor, has the perfect voice for that part. I still say Kilmer for Ozy, he's cold, can be attractive, and plays distant oddballs well (his Batman was kind of Ozy). Night Owl has to be someone kind of couch potato but extremely likeable- Kinnear would actually be a good Night Owl. Comedian has to be a sadistic brute but vulnerable Daniel Day Lewis. Larry Fishburne for Dr. Manhattan. Bruce Campbell for Captain Metropolis. Mary Louise Parker as the second Silk Spectre.
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I'm glad Cruise won't be in this picture for the reason emeraldboy sited: it would've become a Cruise film. Scientology bullshit aside, Cruise was terrible in "MI:3" (how many special ops agents TRY to get noticed all the time?) and for me he's lost his niche. Maybe he would've been perfect for Ozymadius, I don't know. But I'm tired of seeing his overacting face on the big screen. He tries too hard now, it seems, and nothing he does comes across as real. He's comes across as a parody of himself, which sucks.
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Tom Cruise actually thinks he's a character like Ozymandias in real life. I don't believe what I see in tabloids, but I've read enough about Scientology to know there's a good chance they think Tom Cruise is their Tom Christ. To everyone who thinks it would turn Watchmen into a "Cruise film", what are you thinking? Was Magnolia a Cruise film? All he would do is add to the overall product. For lack of a better term, he'd add some authenticity to the character. Lastly, the idea of having a bunch of has-been stars filling these rolls is just ridiculous. The last thing I want to see is this thing turning into some gimmick movie. It looks like they're on the right track and I hope it stays that way. P.S. You're crazy if you don't see Zodiac this week and 300 next week. Is it fall already?
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He overacts when he does the kind of self-effacing parts you're referring to. Agreed, it's great to watch, but Ozy has to be someone smooth and subtle. Cruise does neither.
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does have an Ozy complex. Hmmm...I think self-effacing might have been incorrect. I meant when Cruise plays against type, but you get my point, I'm sure.
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Just saw the trailer for that movie where he's opposite Don Cheadle. Jesus Christ he looks like Dylan.
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Rorshch?
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Bruce needs to be The Comedian, hands down.
and Tim Robbins for Nite Owl II, he's tall, looks like he coulda been a buff guy who's gotten out of shape with age.
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strong enough actor. He could be Captain Metropolis, though.
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How awesome would that be!
The words Born, Part and Play come in to mind.
Brom
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Has anyone considered Zack Ward for the role of Rorsach? He certainly looks the part and isn't so well know as to overshadow the character... just a thought...
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or Thomas Hayden Church?...
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Thomas H Church too well known for Rorscach...
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The real cast for the Terry Gilliam version of Watchmen that never saw the light: Robin Williams as Rorshach, Gary Busey as the Comedian, Jamie Lee Curtis for Silk Spectre II, Kevin Costner and later Richard Gere for Dan Dreiberg/NiteOwl II. And producer John Silver wanted Arnie as Doc Manhattan. I bet that Moriarty knows who are the other actors in talk for the Snyder version.
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I think the suggestion of Mark Hamill is inspired, but for my money, it'd be Gary Oldman as Rorschach. Wait, I understand the thinking behind casting an unknown, but this part is so central to the story, you need someone with his depth. Imagine him doing the scene where the cops rip off his mask. Spittle and all. You'd be quoting it for weeks, and you know it. It's Doc Manhattan I'd cast with an unknown. He has no emotional attachment to humans by the end, and I think that'd be served well by someone the audience doesn't know from other work. Just my thinking.
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if you're so great at it make it a career, dammiiiiitt.
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I love it. He'd work for cheap I bet.
Yes, he is still alive.
I actually worked with him a few years ago. He was struggling a bit, emotionally, spiritually and obviously career-wise if he ended up working with yours truly.
(And for a good LDS boy he sure told a lot of dirty jokes. One of them ended with a nun saying "that's a hard one.")
He used to brag a lot about being Jodie Foster's first kiss...to which I opined that maybe it made her choice of teams a little easier.
(yeah, I know she didn't CHOOSE her team, but kissing that spotty little proto-leprechaun would cause any gal to wanna break ranks.)
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dollars to donuts they screw this all up
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You guys keep saying dudes for 'schach who are 40+. He's 30 at oldest...and I forgot about Ian McShane. He has a definite chance...you should also look to Snyder's previous films to see who he might carry over. Gerard Butler probably has the inside track on Ozy...I just hope this doesn't become an agency package, where all the wrong people are cast because of someone's rep...also, this cast is waaaayyy too white for WB and a leftie like Alan Horn. He'll want to diversify, so get ready.
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What the fuck are you talking about? "Most of the world danced in the streets." Do you have some terrible form of amnesia or retardation? Does no-one remember the enormous GLOBAL wave of goodwill that gushed forth like a tidal wave after 9/11? All around the world, people donated to charities, prayed for the victims and leaped at the opportunity to join a task-force and bomb the complete shit out of the Taliban and the Al-Queda murderers. The only reported incidence of "dancing the streets" was in Palestine, which turned out to have BEEN TOTALLY FAKED. Fuck you and your paranoid delusions, see a doctor and get that memory defect fixed, before you overdose your wife on her meds.
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that anybody who is currently known for their role as a super in another franchise will be cast in this movie. As far as casting for Ozymandias goes, Cruise would have been a great choice. My pick is Leonardo DiCaprio, he's tall and looks young and the snobby superior thing is his best trick. A little makeup would pass in the scenes where he is meant to be older but I think an Adrian Veidt who is eerily young looking even later in life would be perfect, like he knows something nobody else does. John C McGinley is way to big to play rorshach but would make a fantastic comedian. I like Baltar from BSG as a Rorshach possibility, hair color is irrelevant they can change that easy enough. Elias Koteas would make a sweet Doc Manhattan IMHO. Manhattan would work better as an actor with a starwars type hologram effect applied rather than a starwars type everythingelse effect. Ian McShane would also be rad as the Comedian. Tough flick to cast. Chris Noth would be on my list of possibles for Dan.
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the guy from Little Children could be a great Rorschach - he's just a cheap orange wig away from being everybody's favorite crimefighting stepchild.
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could not have the past be retro, because that stuff didn't fly back then and it's even addressed in the work. I don't see how that it would be possible to explain that away, or if they tried, it would be annoying.
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ha ha
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Rorshach: Bugs Bunny. Nite Owl 2: Sylvester the Cat. Nite Owl 1: Foghorn Leghorn. Silk Spectre 2: Tweety Bird. Silk Spectre 1: Granny. Doctor Manhattan: Marvin the Martian. Ozymandias: Daffy Duck. The Comedian: Porky Pig. oh, yeah, and Yosemite Sam as Big Figure.
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would also be a good Rorschach. The Janitor's sidekick from Scrubs would be my pick of little people to play Big Figure his voice is perfect.
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Just sayin'....that's all.
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This s one project I would rather not see made. A bad WATCHMAN movie, even a sub-standard one, would just leave a bad taste. The graphic novel is great on its own. I would prefer t see a bortched film job, even a well-intentioned one (and, yes, a WATCHMEN film MUST be R-rated, amongst other things, so at least Snyder is right on that). *****But, the casting game is still fun to play, so: 1) Gary Sinise as Rorschach; 2) Tom Berenger, George Clooney, or Stacy Keach as The Comedian; 3) unknown actor Jeffery Nordling as Ozymandias (Nordling played Capote Duncan on SEX AND THE CITY and is a dead ringer for Adrian Veidt; he is also a certified stage-fighter, which is helpful in that Veidt is a superhuman martial artist, amongst other things; look up Nordling on IMDB for his info); 4)Alec Baldwin, Tim Robbins, Beau Bridges, John Cusack, or Bill Pullman for Nite Owl II; 5) Julianne Moore or Sandra Bullock for Silk Spectre II; 6) William Hurt or Christian Bale for Doctor Manhattan; 7) Gary Oldman, Christopher Walken, or John Hurt for Moloch; 8) Paul Newman or Jame Garner for Nite Owl I; 9) Faye Dunaway or Sigourney Weaver for Silk Spectre I; 10) Forrest Whittaker for Rorschach's prison psychiatrist; 11) Martin Mull for Captain Metropolis; 12) Ned Beatty for the Newspaper Salesman; 13) Harry Knowles for the fat red-headed magazine intern who spills ketchup on his happy face t-shirt at the end of the story. *****Oh, and Tom Cruise would be an awful choice to play Ozymandias, for a number of resaons, one being that when you watch such a movie, you will not see the character Ozymandias, you will see the celebrity Tom Cruise. Cruise can not really disappear into a role; he is too well-known and ingrained a personality.******Also, the Black Freighter stuff should not be in a theatrical release. If Snyder wants it in, do it cheap and include it as a DVD extra, as well as the other interstitial materials from the graphic novel (ie, exerpts from Nite Owl I's autobiography "Under The Hood", Rorschach's psych file, etcetera). Including the Black Freighter just leaves less time to critical interludes like the character's origin stories, Doc Manhattan and Silk Spectre II on Mars, etc. Put the Black Freighter on the DVD.*****
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"I would prefer NOT to see a botched film job, even a well-intentioned one." "JAMES Garner for Nite Owl I."
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How does WB not greenlight a one-shot Watchmen, not lose Snyder over it, but instead get him to do the franchise-making JLA for Silver, the force behind JLA and former Watchmen-rights owner? That is the question, because Snyder only gets one if 300 performs, and there are issues over Watchmen preceding JLA during a superhero-glut.
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