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Warners Spinning Up A Live Action JUSTICE LEAGUE Movie!?!? With Writers Already Hired, 'Twould Seem So!!
Merrick here...
Warner Bros. is looking to make a JUSTICE LEAGUE movie, so says THIS ARTICLE IN VARIETY.
The LEAGUE has been seen in multiple permutations over the years, including animated series, a failed live-action pilot (see below), and a recent appearance on SMALLVILLE.
They're far enough along to hire writers - Michele and Kieran Mulroney (Kieran is the brother of actor Dermot).
Lots of questions here. Will this be stand alone, or somehow connected to a future BATMAN or SUPERMAN film? Will Superman or Batman even be included in the project? If so, would (or could) Christian Bale or Brandon Routh reprise their roles for this? Or, will we get a distractingly re-cast, parallel version of them? A SMALLVILLEized approach, perhaps? Or, will they be strategically sidestepped altogether?
Where does Wonder Woman fit in, given that her movie isn't exactly plowing forward?
The mind boggles with the possibilities...
This project could be either disastrously awkward, or one of the coolest things to come around in quite some time. Should be a lot of fun to follow.
Ever see the unaired pilot for CBS' JUSTICE LEAGUE series? Here are a few clips:
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And I broke it first.
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I can confirm that by referring everyone to my post in the Silver Surfer/Empire TB...
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What's this do to the Flash and Wonder Woman movies? WW is up in the air, I know, but I thought Flash was moving forward...hmmm.
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THAT'S what's important.
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But does anyone else want to comment?
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You worthless arab pig. I rub Allah's face on my unwashed ass crack, you pig dog of a rodent.
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Since Abin Sur is who gave Hal Jordan his ring. Not that it matters one bit, but I'm as white as rice, and you're brilliant.
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in a shit kinda way.
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It's a cheapshot if it doesn't. Who cares about the properties. dC has proven they can do the characeters right if they try. Now just add some more and a big villain.
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...when I was about 10 years old, expecting a big-screen version of the comic book JLA. Needless to say, I was disappointed.
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Someone call the JLA, a wind is picking up and it's blowing paper plates and cups around! EVERYBODY PANIC!!
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this is the most balls-out awesome action film ever. Get Bale, get Routh, cast the other fucking roles, give it a tremendous budget, shoot a back-to-back-to-back trilogy ala Pirates or LOTR, and pit them against fucking DARKSEID.
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It's already starting off soooo good.
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I can't escape a raging storm without my Whiskers...who was actually save under the damn rock. Plus...the Flash can't get a job and no one will let him stay at their house..classic crap.
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...from Timm and Dini? I'd rather see that happen than a live-action Justice League movie.
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Now that my brief bout of optimism is out of the way, I'm ready to admit that no matter how hard I wish for this to be an amazing spectacle of fantasy filmwork, it will probably be the shittiest shit that anyone ever shat.
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Wendy and SuperMarv?
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that pilot is so amazingly, laughably bad that it must be watched.
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'Cause those hero posses look mighty uncomfortable. God damn this is a terrifying prospect - most writers can't manage one hero...
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a remake of the superhero celebrity roasts they had back in the 70's. Talk about shit!
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Doom WAS from Latveria in the movie you ass.
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I'm always surprised when I hear about a project like this or a couple of years ago when everyone claimed that we would see literally see a "Batman Vs Superman" movie before either of them would get another shot at a franchise. They even claimed that Andrew "What the fuck ever happened to that guy who wrote Se7en" Kevin Walker. Obviously that never happened but I'm sure Laura Shuler Donner has a complete script or scripts that she paid a king's ransom for that will never see the light of day. Are there really Hollywood writers who would rather write an unreadable (and possibly literally never read) screenplay that they absolutely know will not make it to screen just for money? Even if you're a complete douchebag wouldn't you rather hold out for something that, say, actually will make it past the "Hey let's make a JLA movie that involves a number of esoteric comic book characters that are unfamiliar to the general movie going public and have proven themselves for DECADES to not be strong enough to warrant an origin film" stage. Seriously, I think we all remember when Sandra Bullock was definitely going to play Wonder Woman and DiCaprio/Cameron's follow-up to Titanic was gonna be Spiderman, and ofcourse I'm sure the 4 million dollars that Tim Burton was paid to NOT direct Superman has been long spent on his hair wax addiction. Bit you're seriously telling me that someone's gonna get cash to write about Martian Manhunter?
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Moreso than the X-men in that the heroes is the JLA are huge characters in their own right. Kieran Mulroney did write for various Star Trek incarnations so imagine he's got some nerd cred but still, it's going to be difficult. I don't see it happening until after the WW movie is made. However, a JLA movie would be a perfect chance to spin-off Flash, Green Lantern and maybe even Martian Manhunter movies. It's exactly what WB would love.
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I am at a loss to imagine how they could possibly make a reasonably cohesive movie with this many superhero's and personalities with a run-time of anything that would be releasable without totally ruining it. You would either have to assume your audience knows the superheros and their backgrounds or waste the first hour with watered down explainations. This is a movie that begs for a decent TV Series but will undoubtably be unleashed upon us as another Fantastic Four. oh well ...
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stupid stupid stupid idea....
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The only way this will work is if WB sinks a shit-ton of cash into making it a huge fucking franchise.Which they won't. Fucking wankers.
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That pilot was teeerrrrible. I say let them give it a shot, and if it doesn't work, oh well. We've always got the cartoon and the comics!
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They will have aquaman, flash, wonder woman and green lantern, and at the end of the movie bale and routh show up for brief cameos to help save the day and join the team on an "as needed" basis before going back to gotham and metropolis. That way, they don't ruin the exposure of each franchise. How this will affect the on hold WW, and the slowly moving flash movies remains to be seen. Maybe they'll be smart and spin off GL in his own movie. No character in the justice league would look better on the big screen than GL and his glowing ring creations battling enemies across the cosmos. ~ÐL
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to warrant an ensemble piece than why not do it organically like the comic did. Take existing firmly established characters and bring them together later. I'm sure this movie will have wierd contract voodoo that keeps them from using Superman and Batman (afterall, supposedly they can't ever even mention the Kingpin in the Spiderman movies even though it's the same goddamn studio and Comic company) so it will most likely be a collection of B-listers lead by Wonder Woman who, like I said, noone cares about enough anyway to actually watch her on her own. But supposedly they'll all be introduced, motivations and backstories explained, villains included, and this is all a better idea than, say, a Shazam! movie.
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Any wonder that they announced this after seeing the numbers that Ghost Rider brought in over the weekend? JLA is really the only viable comic book team for DC and Warners to launch, and why wouldn't they after seeing Marvel properties making money hand over fist with fair to mediocre product? You're gonna tell me that Ghost Rider is more iconic than the JLA? Not hardly. Now Warner's can approach this movie two ways: the Tim Story directing approach, which will make them some money and guarantee a sequel or two, OR they can go the Sam Raimi approach and redefine the comic book movie. Just PLEASE don't let Bryan Singer launch this - I can't watch two hours of heroes lifting things.
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Morrison's JLA #1-4 brings the team together, gives them a highly credible threat and features an epic storyline on a big-budget scale. It'd be perfect.
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...or among the coolest things to come around in quite some time..." Yup. That sounds about right.
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JLU getting renewed on the CN.
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That was a good JLA run - the White Martians were pretty nasty villains.
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It's an April Fools joke a month and a half early. As cool as it would be, it would be equally expensive, and risk all the additional sub-characters stand alone movies. Watchman has a better chance of seeing screen time.
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Aquaman could talk to that shark thats always trying to eat Quint ...
That could make for a good teaser trailer ...
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AN ANIMATED FEATURE, OR MAYBE A CGI FEATURE, I DOUBT THEY WILL BE ABLE TO MIX IN BATS SUPES AND WW WITH THEM REST OF THEM IF IS SHOT IN LIVE ACTION, BUT THEN AGAIN, THANKS TO GHOST RIDER, ANYTHING RELATED TO COMIC BOOKS HEROES WILL BE MADE NOW, AND HORRIBLY.... SCREW YOU MSJ, AND FUCK YOU MICHAEL BAY!!! IT HAD TO BE SAID
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Ryan Reynolds and Jessica Biel as the Wonder Twins. Weta does the special effects. Total Worldwide gross: $1.3 billion.
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Keep it simple. Don't overdo the characters. Movies like this can more often be clusterfucks (League of Extraordinary Gentlemen) than good ensemble pieces. Stick to 5-6 main characters - like X-men. (I'd do Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern, the Flash, and maybe Hawkgirl). Structure it similar to a Robert Altman ensemble film, with a couple characters interacting at any one time but keep the moments with all of them to a minimum. Think Crash or Short Cuts with superheroes. Study Alex Ross' series JUSTICE for a good example. Or Warners - option that property. Good luck. Need help, call me.
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This movie won't get made.You thought the multiple villain formula was bad?Try fitting in backstories for at least five heroes PLUS the villains PLUS characterization PLUS action worthy of the characters.It's not impossible to do.Just impossible to do well.Would probably be Ghost Rider/Daredevil "good" at best.
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This is never going to get off the drawing board. The reality of the situation is this - we've already had all of the best characters. There are not many cool ones left - just a lot of minor characters that can't carry their own films. Marvel's coolest remaining character - Silver Surfer - is about to be bent over and brutally anally raped by Tim Story. DC only have one cool character left - Wonder Woman - and now that Wheddon is gone the smart money is on Diana Prince being violently skullfucked, before being showered in multiple facials and left writhing naked on the floor, legs akimbo, her only company being the sound of camera flashbulbs as the media document the loss of her virtue with glee. The only variable is which hack director will do the deed. Don't tell me about the Flash and Green Lantern - they are both secondary characters. The Flash can run fast? Big deal. You think Superman can't? As for the Green Lantern, all any criminal has to do is cover himself in yellow paint, and Hal Jordan can't touch him. Some superpower. Marvel have a couple of semi-cool characters left: but the only way Captain America will work is by having an origin movie set completely in WW2 with Red Skull, and that is never going to happen. as for Iron Man, I am cautiously hopeful following Robert Downey Jr.s casting, but lets face it a lot could go wrong.
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By shaving her head she is setting herself up to play the role of Lex Luthor in the upcoming JLA movie ... as she heads up the Super Villians (or whatever they are called).
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but someone is actually getting paid as we speak to pretend like it is. I understand devoting yourself to keeping at work if you're a writer or producer, but any child can tell this is a pipe dream, and not even a good pipe dream at that. But Green Lantern could anchor a film, Aquaman: The Movie isn't unthinkable, why would DC blow the heft of their hero gallery in one load like this? With Marvel's slow but steady (and steadily declining in quality) release of movies they could theoretically do a live action Avengers pic in a decade and people would at least know who they were watching on screen. Let's face it, the sheer numbers point to the fact that comic book fans do not make up the bulk of what Ghost Rider brought in last weekend, and middle America is gonna have no idea who Green Arrow is when he get s his, what, maybe 7 minutes on screen?
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From reading that article it seems to me a lot is speculation. The only facts seem to be Warners wants to do a JL feature and have commissioned a script.
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If there really is a JUSTICE LEAGUE film made, I'd put $$$ down that Routh or Bale won't involved in any way, shape or form.
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makes the most sense even though we've also seen it in the cartoon version.
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You really can't invoke the X-Men model as it does not currently exist. For all we know the Wolverine and Magneto movies are going to be the vapid over-produced fiascos that we think they'll be. As much as Ghost Rider blows it does not automatically dash my hopes for a quality Iron Man. If I see a terrible movie with 10 minutes of Wonder Woman, than why would I want to go see and hour and a half of her a year later?
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If we hadn't had the "X" movies I don't think there would have been a real chance of seeing a stand-alone Wolverine movie, but we got "X" and now we're getting Logan in his own flick.
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substitute Captain Marvel for Supes & Wildcat,the Question or Batgirl so as not to TAINT their current franchises.
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...Wildcat,the Question or Batgirl for Batman...
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stand alone stories featuring superheroes and stop doing origin movie after origin movie? If Ghost Rider had foregone that 1970s Dan Ketch origin and instead filmed an adaptation of the '92 issue when his pure inhuman Ghost Rider self took on Skinner with Johnny Blaze it would at least have been kind of daring.
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.........Damn
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Looks like they rented them from Party City. When was this pilot shot?
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It's hard enough to get people to be serious about this kind of franchise, and there you go showing the Cirque du Soleil JLA...
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that this will automatically suck, I gotta agree. Still a waste of time, money, franchises, carreers, ink and the jungle that will have to be leveled to supply the paper for endless rewrites.
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They could bring back the cast of Street Fighter: The Movie and X-Men. Raul Julia could be done with CG.
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They can get Brett Ratner to do it... He did such a great job with the PoS X3...
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What's happening with "New Frontiers?" That was a great series! Though, if they put together a good story, JLA the Movie could be a ot of fun.
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And why don't they hire the brilliant minds that penned the animated series? Dwayne McDuffie, Matt Wayne, Stan Berkowitz, and freakin' Bruce Timm?!
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The only way this works. It starts out and the heroes are already developed entities. Like Jack Sparrow already had all this stuff happening when you meet him in Pirates and you follow flash or green as they get invited in the JLA. Then they fight something so big and awesome it would require all the JLA to beat it. Darkseid's invasion. If they do it with anyone but the accept players (supes, Bats, WW flash, GL, Aquafag and MM) and the actors that play them it will fail. Wait what am i talking about, this will NEVER get made.
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and still getting paid, that's more what gets me. Hollywood makes crap all the time, but at least it's understandable because it's always safe crap. If they're going to take a risk of this magnitude, even just commissioning a script for it, why not be as ballsy with everything?
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1. I'll be surprised if it gets made2. I'll be surpised if it involves major players like Bats, Supes etc3. I'm getting tired of having my hopes built up at the thought of DC blowing me away with live action when it always lacks when put up against animated series.JL animated and JLU set a very high standard and I struggle to believe they will match that standard.
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my only issue is this- will it premier in canada two weeks before it shows in america like the tv series? if so then im moving to saskatchawan. or however you spell it.
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This could be a huge movie which WB needs. Each character could/does have a movie franchise of their own. And they hire who to write it? I would rather see David Goyer get the job, and that is a massive concession from me.
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the viewers enough to make the plot big enough, and without over-explaining everything. For instance, it will involved a plot by a "realistic" villain and his completely ridiculous machine that wants to turn the whole planet into White Martians, and then we will have to explain what White Martians are, but they will probably just change them to Venusians with giant breasts, because White Martians doesn't test well, and it will all take place in the United States and an underwater base off the shore of California.
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Is the way to go about this. Perfect story that defines heroes and why the world needs them. Go this route and you dont need Routh or Bale, we'll get a kick-ass lookin superman and some old guy to be bats. Make it styalized like Sin City or 300 and by that I mean make it look like a moving comic book, dont stray to far from the original script and boom, box office gold.
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While I would love a Justice League movie I think The Brave and the Bold makes more sense. Let's start off with the concept of Superman and Batman meeting for the first time on screen before introducing the full blown league. The Superman/Batman team-up is a major moment in comic history, it's a classic relationship. But this moment wouldn't be given the time it deserves in a League movie. Besides the League as a movie would really work better if the other characters like Wonder Woman and Green Lantern were coming from their own previous solo movies. So it makes sense to wait until they are made first.
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For those who havent read it.... check it out!
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and NOT Super Friends.
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Anyone recall a mid-70's TV version of JLA? I think it was called Legions of Superheros or some such. It was the height of awesomeness to this then 5-year-old boy in 1975. PLEASE tell me I didn't imagine it!
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to have their own movies first, a Justice League movie could start filming sometime next century. Here's hoping WB doesn't feel like each character has to have their origins explained.
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Why does Alex Ross always persist in showing Captain Marvel as a member of the JLA? I realize Ross likes CM, but he was a member for about 15 minutes, and never during the "classic" period Ross likes so much.
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Is skip all the origin baloney. I don't want to spend 45 minutes on how the team gets together plus ten minutes each on where the team members came from and twenty minutes on the villains' origins and five minutes on motivation for a battle and then twelve minutes on the climactic battle. Having a super-team means it's a superworld, and since we all know most of these characters already, and the idea of why they are teamed, we need zero introduction as opposed to 75% introduction. Make the movie about something; namely a story. Don't skimp on that.
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because that would probably be executed better on film. This is a disaster in the making.
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JLA big screen with characters such as Lantern, Flash, Manhunter, Wonder Woman, Bats, Supes. Giddy up horsey. Yessir giddy up.
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Not going to bitch, just going to cast:
Superman- Tom Cruise
Batman- Keanu Reeves
Wonder Woman- Rose McGowan
Green Lantern- Joseph Gordon Levitt
The Flash- Dane Cook
Martian Manhunter- Clancy Brown
The Atom- Don Cheadle
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They also need to recast Routh as Superman and make another good Superman movie. There is no way that guy can hold his own with Bale. Justice League will only be desireable if the next installments from DC characters are not crapfests. If they want to lead into this, they need to have a unifying feel in these films, which also limits some of the characters.
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Tom Cruise as Superman, Keanu Reeves as Batman, Rose McGowan as Wonder Woman, Joseph Gordon Levitt as Green Lantern, Dane Cook as The Flash, Clancy Brown as Martian Manhunter, and Don Cheadle as The Atom.
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Was this show for real? It looks BRILLIANT! Almost as good as JURASSIC SHARK (aka SHARK ATTACK 3: MEGALODON), which I watched last night.
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Spielberg?
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...Spielberg wouldn't be available, and would be less available to Warners. One direction to go would be Richard Donner but I don't think that would be wise really. On a certain level this is one flick were the likes of Michael Bay would actually have some merit but he would forget to any real emotion and humor and subtext amidst all the melodrama and snide remarks and propaganda. Andrew Adamson (Chronicles of Narnia) would play Wal-Mart straight and that would be a Superfriends film instead. Alfonso Cuarón (Children of Men, Prisoner of Azkaban) is my pic.
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Alec Baldwin as Batman. Same age Clooney as Superman, Salma Hayek as Wonder Woman, Dicaprio as Flash, Jude Law as Green Arrow, Colin Farrel as Green LAntern, Brad Pitt as Aquaman, Jim Carrey as Plastic Man, and a "Zemeckisvision" enhanced Crispin Glover as Martian Manhunter. Soderberg directs. All you need is the time machine
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Resurrected corpse of River Pheonix as Aquaman
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I can only see this being a disaster. The one thing I hate about comic movies is the need to set up the charcters intros, which I know is a necessary evil; but can you imagine how they could adequately do this for the entire roster, telling a coherent story, and giving all the characters room to breath. Maybe, if this comes after they set up the GL, Batman, WW, and Supes with their own movies.
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What if they did a JL movie in the Final Fantasy SW/ Advent Children style? Nay or Yay? I think thats really the best medium for any type of comic film, though I know some are put off by the animation. I remeber Harry suggested someone do that with the Ultimates, but as unholy cool the action would be it would be redundant since the books are cinemafied anyways.
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Superman: Brad Pitt. Batman: Edward Norton. Green Lantern: Guy Pearce. Green Arrow: Johnny Depp. Wonder Woman: Keira Knightley. Aquaman: Justin Timberlake. Plastic Man: Johnny Knoxville. (Some of these people I dislike individually, but think they fit together). Oh and... Martian Manhunter: Rikki Lee Travolta.
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Warners could make much more money by making individual films out of many of the JLA characters. If a second or third-tier character like Ghost Rider can make so much box office, so could many of the DC heroes in the JLA if done as individual films, and if the movies are done right and advertised well. Green Arrow, The Atom, The Flash, Green Lantern, Wonder Woman, even Hawkman and Hawkgirl could conceivably have their own stand-alone movies, even potential franchises. Why would Warners want to waste all of this box office potential by packing all of these characters into one over-stuffed movie, ie a Justice League film? *****Furthermore, a JLA movie would suck if it did not have the proper lead characters, from Superman to Batman to Wonder Woman. If Warners wants to make a superhero team movie, maybe they should make a period version of the predeccesors to the JLA, the Justice Society? It might be cool to see those old school characters together onscreen, and you would not screw up any other films, since the JSA characters really could not support their own films individually, unlike many of the JLA characters.*****Another thing about the JLA characters is that many of them become more interesting by focusing more closely upon them. They are less compelling as an ensemble. Unlike the X-Men, the JLA is not really as much about the relationships between the heroes. It is more like an all-star team of many seperate and individualistic characters. Also, the previous poster who suggested making a Brave & the Bold Superman and Batman team-up movie is right on. Many of these characters are just too big to introduce together in one movie.*****Green Arrow could be made as a gritty, crimefighting type of movie, Green Lantern could be made like a superhero science-fiction epic, the Atom could be cool as an Earth-bound high-tech adventure, Wonder Woman could be great as a straight-up adventure movie, especially starting in the patriotic WWII era, and so on. These characters have much more box office potential as individuals instead of as a group. Warners would be crazy to throw that kind of money away.
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I want Dr. Midnight, The Flash (in winged, silver helmet), Green Lantern WITH a cape(!), and Power Girl (with AMPLE boobage and cleavage. Humbug to this "Super Friends" supergroup.This'll most likely serve as testing waters to see who deserves their own movie. I don't see execs greenlighting an Atom or Green Arrow film any time soon.
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in terms of writing (pacing etc.) you'd have to film a trilogy with the first movie dedicated to having them come together so that only at the very end of the first movie is the league created. Then you go apeshit in the second and third.
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If Warners is dead set on a superhero team they could do better by making a movie out of either the Legion of Superheroes, or the Teen Titans. The Legion is really about the team more than the individuals, and the Teen Titans are also characters that would tend not to make stand-alone movies possible as individuals. In any case, I still think Warners could do much, much better by making stand-alone movies out of many of the major JLA characters, from Green Lantern to Aquaman to Green Arrow.
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For more of a Golden Age fast-forwarded to the modern era feel.... Superman: Sylvester Stallone. Batman: Robert DeNiro. Green Lantern: Kurt Russell. Green Arrow: Pierce Brosnan. Wonder Woman: Jodi Foster. Aquaman: Viggo Mortensen. Plastic Man: Treat Williams. Oh and... Martian Manhunter: John Travolta.
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Sure the movie if done well will make millions upon millions of dollars, but I think that by putting it on television they could have the upper hand. It would cost much less hiring tv actors than movie actors. You could use the superhero cast of Smallvile, and I bet it would be exponentally cheaper. The story could be streched over a period of years by selling tv seasons, instead of craptacular Special Edition DVD's. If anything Smallville has taught us is that effects are cheaper to do on a TV show and they can be used less if the story is done well. Not to mention, by putting it on a NBC rival network, they could possibly beat Heroes in Ratings, meaning more ad revenue. Warner Brothers would be smart to keep it on the medium of television.
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...if they 'period piece' it. Either during the 'Golden Age' or far in the future (a la Kingdom Come).
Abin Sur - Still waiting for my ring! When will they realize that there are HUGE GL fans KILLING for a decent movie?
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...Are awfully concerned with the studio's profit margin on this thread, with how they can milk the fanboys in a duller, smaller, more tedious way. No thanks. Big film, great cast, amazing director, brilliant story.
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they've already captured perfection with that gem of a pilot. Just put that sucka on the big screen and it will rake in millions. Millions!
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The rights to the Kingpin are not owned by the same studio that owns Spider-Man. The rights to Daredevil and the characters within the film they made are owned by Fox. The rights to the Spider-Man franchise is owned by Sony. Furthermore, Lionsgate owns the rights to The Punisher, which means the Kingpin can never show up in a future Punisher sequel either.
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April isn't for another month guys.
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as Martian Manhunter we are stylin'.
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I also want a 'Big film, great cast, amazing director, brilliant story.' which makes enough money to provide a sequel which has the elements 'Big film, great cast, amazing director, brilliant story.' which makes enough money for yet another and another and another.Give me quality and take my money, I'm begging you WB, take my money, please
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This is going to usher in an era of Superporn. Spandex, pleather bodysuits, sculpted body armor, skintight shorts, nipples, capes, etc.All we need is Wonder Woman peeing on Martian Manhunter to fully make this the ComicCon Movie of the Year.
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Michael Clarke Duncan as Solomon Grundy, Rosie O'Donnell as Giganta, and Andy Dick as the Riddler...oh, and a pre-weight loss Star Jones as Gorilla Grodd.
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a paint by numbers craptacular that pushes the most basic buttons whilst providing no depth or tension or interest while the studios rub their hands with glee, knowing that a film with all these heroes in will make a fortune.
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skip over any and all origin-story crap. I just want my heroes as heroes fighting crime - it's a given that they're there. Then, let the "Team-Up" be the League's origin and we're off!Thus, established heroes teaming up makes sense, as they've got history.I agree with the above poster, this needs to be a trilogy from the get-go.
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how does spinning on the ground stop a hurricane up in the sky? Oh...wait...it doesn't.
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'but if they get the right people involved to produce this thing' . . .ohhhh I hope so, then one of the few things left that I want to see on the big screen and enjoy can come true.I really am dying to hand money over to WB for this. I would even go large on the popcorn and drink
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If they do a core characters JL movie, I would be in for sure. I think WB would make sure this time they didn't screw up. If you can't get Bale and Routh in it because of contract reasons, or because they don't want to, get the two guys playing Batman and Superman from that World's Finest trailer thing. I could see them filling the roles pretty good. http://www.collorastudios.com/projects/finest/finestmain.htm
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and what each one can bring to the screen especially when brought together.
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before doing individual films is that the audience would not be given an explanation for their powers. In a comic book the audience will take a superpowered being as a given but a movie audience would not be able to suspend disbelief. This means there would have to have origin stories for half of the characters. It would be too much. I think Flash, Wonder Woman, and Green Lantern all have a decent shot at well made films. Lets get those on screen and then go from there.
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Oh please Whiskers!!
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Kingdom Come depends on 60 years of DC continuity. It wouldn't work as a film.
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Some of us come to this site not just because we are genre movie fans, but also because we are interested in the movie business. That's b-u-s-i-n-e-s-s, ie, money. And even if you are a fan who doesn't give a damn about whether a movie makes money, you SHOULD care, since whether a certain type of movie makes money will determine if more movies of that type are made. So, if someone wants to see more DC superhero movies made, it is probably a good idea if a DC superhero movie gets produced, that it makes money. *****In any case, apart from being a bad business decision for Warners. I believe it is also a bad CREATIVE decision for Warners to make a live-action JLA movie at this point. A main reason for this is that a movie with that many major superhero characters in it could not help but to cheat character development for many, if not most, of the characters. Ultimately, a JLA movie at this point would almost certainly amount to a superficial treatment of the characters in the flick. It is perhaps better CREATIVELY if most of the major, and even some of the minor, JLA characters first get their own stand-alone movies, so as to introduce them and fill in their backgrounds. After this, putting these characters together in one big film will not require that each character have extensive backgrounds introduced, since prior films would have already done this. Also, I do not think that a movie based upon an individual superhero character must be "smaller, duller". This just demonstrates a lack of imagination. The proof is in the pudding, and any film based around an individual JLA character has the potential to be quite exciting, dependent upon whether the writing and the direction is smart and imaginative. Conversely, a poorly made JLA movie could just as well be a giant clusterfuck, like a Joel Scumacher Batman film, if it is made poorly. Your suggested casting ideas, frankly, are awful on this type of scale, I am sorry to say, and are indicative of the Schumacher-type of mindset. Seriously, a short, punch-drunk Italian guy for Superman? I'd like to know where you get your drugs, because they msut be something.
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...HOBO WITH A SHOTGUN! Why even discuss it? This will never happen. You would be better off hoping for POWDERED TOAST MAN vs. SHAMPOO MASTER than a Justice League movie.
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Justice League is a sweet concept, I always thought Batman didn't quite fit in. I believe they'd have to recast Batman and keep Bryan Singer far away from the director's chair.
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We don't need to be introduced to these characters - they are all well known. Focus instead on an epic, fast-paced story thats action-packed. If they hired Morrison to convert "Rock Of Ages" into a screenplay - it would far and away be the best super hero movie ever. In fact, it would be the greatest movie ever.
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WB should do the damn Batman/Superman script. Would love to see Bale and Routh working off each other.....would be much better. who gives a fuck about the flash or wonder woman?
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I know how it works in the animated series, I know how it works in the movies, but Batman is human. Sure hes got more brains than the whole Justice League combined, but won't he be their slow bitch?
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direct to video. Now that would be interesting. At this point I think Warner Bros. are just examining their options. I highly doubt a live action Justice League will be made this decade.
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I must respectfully disagree with you, and others, who feel that second-tier JLA characters like Green Arrow, or even The Atom, could not make a decent movie. I believe they could, given proper direction and writing. Ghost Rider is no one's idea of a top-tier comic book character, yet the movie did great box office in its opening weekend. To paraphrase a saying, there are no small superheroes, only small filmmakers. A well-conceived and well-directed directed Green Arrow movie couyld work. The idea is not to design it as a blockbuster, but perhaps as a gritty, more realistic story, with a tighter budget, perhaps based on the spirit of The Longbow Hunters storyline, and in the style of Batman Begins. Another example is the Atom. Of course, a shrinking guy could be somewhat laughable, but if executed properly, the Atom could make a compelling movie. Look at how Frank Miller treated the character in The Dark Knight Strikes Again. He took a minor character, and through smart and imaginative story-telling, made the character compelling. A key in this case was showing the extraordinary environment of the Atom when the character is very small. Instead of portraying the Atom as small, he portrayed the character's micro-environment as large and exotic. Again, there are no small characters, only small writers. A good writer like Alan Moore can take a character like the kitcshy old Captain Marvel knock-off character Marvelman, and turn him into the fascinating Miracleman character. A well-executed Green Arrow movie, or an Atom movie, or an Aquaman movie, is not out of the question. All that it takes is a good filmmaker and his or her team.
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and by right, I mean it would have to have Superman and Batman in it, which it won't. So why bother, better to just have Flash, Green Lantern and Wonder Women have their own solo projects.
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As a kid, I mainly read the Batman comics, but watched all the old superhero cartoons. I never once looked at Green Lantern, Green Arrow, Aquaman, Flash, etc. as minor or secondary characters. Look at the recent postal stamps, they have those characters on them, and I don't think they are going to make stamps of no name characters. I agree whole-heartedly that these second-tier characters, as some people refer to them, would be able to hold their own in a movie. As long as the right storyline and direction is taken, the sky's the limit for DC characters in my opinion. I would go see them. I still think that the DC characters are more iconic than Marvel ones. Besides the fan boys, who had heard of Ghost Rider...and look how well that is doing now.
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that would love to see a JL movie.
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Wish I hadn't.
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Why did CBS pass?
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We're like battered wives to Hollywood's abusive husband, "Oh he loves us we know he'll change maybe next year maybe next year..." This. Will. Suck.
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should be involved in this. Supes, Bats, Lantern, WW, Flash, Manhunter, Aquaman, Atom, Arrow. . .that's nine already . . .keeping down the number of characters could be the problem . . .don't want to suffer the X3 overload
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...this just makes perfect sense that Warners would like to cash in on this Superhero worshiping era we are experiencing in film and TV. If those creations can work, then you can bet that Warners will find a way to make JLA work. In the immortal words of the great John Connor.."EEEASY MONEY."
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Maaaaaat Daaaamon....
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is that Marvel characters exist in a slightly stylized version of reality, while DC characters exist in a more epic, mythological reality. DC characters are like Greek Gods, Marvel characters are, um... I actually can't think of a good comparison now.Shit.
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or for that matter Daredevil, or Blade is due to the Marvel stamp. The Problem is it's just not a stamp of assured quality. The Marvel movies, since the first Spiderman, have committed themselves to being pure origin stories and usually kill off or largely marginalize the most compelling antagonists they have to work with. But the average movie goer is showing up to the theater to see a movie, and the trend has been that every couple of months a superhero movie comes out with guaranteed action scenes and effects and usually a bankable celebrity or 2, so Jo Schmo has no problem plunking down cash for it. I'm sure that the same crowd would make this (presumably) terrible movie a moderate success. but does DC, after having such a quality success with Batman Begins and at least trying to do something more noble with Superman Returns, really want to just waste all of these promising stories (any one of these characters could in theory have a Batman Begins made about them) in one shot? Besides, as has already been said, the dynamics of the group are really not the focus. It is a group of regionalized individually established characters that periodically join forces to take on massive doom plots and villain conspiracies. this financially successful trend of "just add water" hero movies that Marvel has started will probably not last the making of this thing. On the other hand, when "Luke Cage: Hero for Hire" comes out to shit reviews and finally convinces the average movie goer of how disappointed they've consistently been with Marvel, DC can still be standing with a quality respectful new Batman franchise and, if this thing doesn't make it, a couple of other solid projects cooking. MArvel is cashing in their chips and will be a joke in 4 years. This is when DC needs to stick to the quality projects that have been their cinematic bread and butter.
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BITCHES!
The death and life of Superman. Doomsday awakens, kicks the shit out of the justice league (and that goofy one with like beetleman, the regular one) for about 20 minutes...then Supes joins in and saves the world and dies (Routh is a great Superman) - justice league mourns, funeral, then other Supermen start appearing...End of Part 1- Then Part 2 with the remainder of the story. Am I the only one who knows this is the only way it can work? Fuck a whole movie about the JLA discovering their powers. -
a New Frontier and Superman/Doomsday animated movie coming
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Batman has a very, very good thing going right now and I just can't see this working at all. Leave Christian Bale out of this one.
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Are any of these movies even that successful? 50 mil is a lot for an opening weekend in February, but didn't the damn movie cost well over 150 when marketing is considered? It'll be toppled in 2 days by some piece of shit this weekend, so can these Marvel clunkers really be that promising to producers? Or do they seriously bet that one of these things is gonna hit Spiderman 1 money again?
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For the love of god .. just give Timm and Dini a big sack of money and do an animated Justice League movie. If they were to get the talent back for it, they would kick so much ass in filling the need for a JL movie.
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Actually, now that I go back and look at the old Green Lantern/Green Arrow team-up comics I read as a kid, I do think GA could work in a modern, gritty environment. Well spoken (or typed).
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http://tinyurl.com/yof8yn. Seriously - I should be doing the DC/Marvel film news for this site. AICN would be on the cutting edge, once again, instead of the perennial bridesmaid. Almost 20 days ago, I told you what was up behind the removals of Goyer/Whedon. And one more you can bank on - if Del Toro wins Sunday, sayanora Deadman.
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never mind animated . . let them get their talented paws (as well as the other writing talents) on the live action. These guys have the feel of the characters
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This site is like rummaging through an old great-grandmother's dank cedar chest in the attic...and finding a pair of granny panties.
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No - Bale's Batman is a Dark Knight. He's not "Superfriends" material.
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And neither was CHUD or the great Variety...jesus christ - I'm even the guy who unleashed the fuckin aborted JLA pilot on the 'net almost a decade ago.
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its been said before, but i like it
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bastard always seems to pop up in the mega games.
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I'd have Bukkake Man, Ms. Boxcar, and the Pink Sphinc team up and violate some Brazilian strippers. But, it's not my film.
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Neither would probably produce a quality live action film. Not from lack of talent or understanding of the material, but whoever produced it would want the thing to be as mainstream friendly and by the books as possible considering the budget that this thing would carry. Those guys have a wonderful freedom in animation and strong quality control, but having to butt heads with producers while also keeping at a decent budget would just be impossible for any director to protect the no doubt epic quality of a JLA script either would produce without heavily cutting down on the character work both are known for. No director a JLA producer would pick would go to the mat to protect a solid script of this nature. It's just too easy to play the game.
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I'd like to see Superman recast. Sean Bean as Aquaman. James Marsden as Green Lantern. I'd like Ed Harris to be Lex Luthor. The hook is that the plot by the bad guys has to be big enough that Superman can't handle by himself so he goes to round up the others and they form the League at the end. You get into personality conflicts as they learn to work together.
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wrote that for you.
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Thank you for ruining my dream (goes to sob quietly while grabbing a drink and cigarette)
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If his corpse were found in some ungodly condition at a comiccon, it would scare DC from trying to follow the Marvel model. Upside down crucifixion perhaps. Castration just to be sure, maybe?
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I also kill producers
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Bean as Aquaman is really good.
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All of the character stuff, though, is kind of stupid. Just my opinion.
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This would be some flashy, candy-sheened, lip-smacking, whirlwind of cotton candy confection with about all the danger, intrigue, and suspense of "Phil of the Future." Throw in a bunch of catchphrases and one-liners, dotted with filler ("Let's go!") instead of real dialogue. Now, have a couple of "sexual tension" pairings that inexplicably EXPLODE into meaningful romance, only to have someone get killed to provide some kind of superficial motivation.There, instant Hollywood action film.
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Britney can play Brainiac. She's got the ridged skullpan and crazed look in her eye. And I've been waiting to see The Wonder Twins and Gleep on the big screen. Get on eBay and snag up that '70s merch today, before it's really worth something.
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An adaptation of some of the excellent work Geoff Johns has done.
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Two words: Doctor Fate. Okay, two more words: Power Girl.
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Why can't DC just compromise and give us the fucking Watchmen movie already . The character work is all top tier and yet they all exist and fit within a nice tight, yet epic story. I mean, they never had to do a "Rorschac: Issue Zero" to make you understand the character. Somebody feed Harry and co an old easily debunked rumor about that being made so they'll no doubt run it and there can be a decent subject to base a talkback on
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Brave & Bold 28 - Manhunter, Wonder Woman, Flash, Aquaman, GL. Since Silver holds the Hal Jordan GL rights and cannot get a solo Lantern project off the ground, he'll get folded into the JL movie as a producer. As for director? There was a lot of hand-wringing that Bay didn't do Supes.
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im a fan of sean bean and i watch anything he does on screen, but i think he is too old for aquaman now... AC needs to be in his prime, myabe someone like ewan mcgregor (although i think he is done with movie franchise now) or a lesser known character actor would be suitable..
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SOunds better and more economically viable than an overstuffed, megabudgeted JLA movie. I have always liked the idea of the weirdness of Gotham City seen through the eyes of ordinary cops. As long as you don't completely fuck it up ala Brids Of Prey. Throw in The Huntress and The Question plus some lesbian makeout sessions with Montoya, you'd have a cool HBO series. The Wire meets Heroes. Sounds good to me.
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Hawkman, and Jay Garrick Flash. Hmmm...guess I like Wildcat and Sand, too. Actually, I'll tell you the characters I don't like: Stargirl, Power Girl, Jakeem and his Thunderbolt. Yep, those guy stink. I'd actually like a Hawkman movie if they tied in Black Adam and Geoff Johns's reincarnation storyline.
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my last comment did not go through. what gives?
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It's not too risky, and it will keep the fanboys on the hook to see if we get a peek of the Bat or which villain would show up next.
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zatana,black cannery and the atom... those are good characters too
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Someone mentioned Altman's character ensembles. Why not do it in the style of his "Secret Honor." The whole thing could be just the Butler ranting and raving into a tape recorder for an hour and a half. HAND THAT SCRIPT TO MICHAEL BAY!
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DC has tons of potential beyond just movies (although that seems to be what everyone is focusing on right now). Once you get into their Vertigo stuff then the sky's the limit. Hell Vertigo has a better record than HBO.
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A peek of Bats, Robin, Nightwing, Huntress, nice array of villains . . .all good . . .(as long as it steers clear of the teen drama aspect)
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No offense, but if Warner Brothers is looking to a Justice League movie with a bunch of big name actors, a big story, CGI for the powers and stuff, they are gonna have to shell out a ton of dollars. This film needs to fill it's cast with some unknowns or semi-knowns and don't let Michael Bay, Uwe Boll, or any other sh!t director touch this film. And if they go through with this film, I better see Superman, Batman, Flash, GL, and Wonder Woman. And there better be some damn good known villains not lame ass alien threat from outer space or garbage like that. It should be Justice League vs. Legion of Doom or Injustice League or whatever the f*ck you want to call 'em.
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The point of Stallone as Superman would be to set him a bit apart and bring the other characters to the fore more. Height means nothing on a movie screen; that's a long established part of cinematography.
As to moneymaking I have to think about that all the time and if you aren't going to make a good point it's boring. Getting off the topic of my "Mean Streets" JLA... Okay let's talk money. Kids watch movies not live action TV series so a movie, with better production, is a much better (and desirably shorter) commercial for a toy line and zillions of other products which is where the money would be made on this. Also, another money-side advantage to this type of bankable but not outsized ensemble casting is that you can make the team the star of this flick and still do the seperate franchises with different actors and look and therefore totally different toys. Mo money. Mo money from a movie, and a movie without the franchise stars. And it makes more sense with somewhat downplayed casting so that Stallone's Superman is not many people's definitive Superman. Or for that matter Ed Norton as Batman. The point of course is good actors and a coherent ensemble. -
New story, new world but no introductions. Craft something where it is believable to have all superheroes of the dc world(s) united as a league. For example: they are united because men lives in a destroyed world after a nuclear war. JLA has been formed to help rebuild this world. However, villains see a chance to gain world domination and are trying with all there powers to obtain this dictatorship. Like almost every superhero premise it's a bit cliched but I think something like that could set up a great story with a new unique touch. You don't need an origin story because we start of straight in this post-nuclear world. It makes the tone instantly serious and not as cheesy as it so easily can be. It could realy use a Batman Begins touch. Very gritty, very dark, very mysterious and very action packed. I also believe a premise like this allows current actors like Christian Bale or Brandon Routh to reprise there roles. Yet it's an alternate world so it might indeed be better to just go for a new cast.
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set up. I like the idea of through the eyes of cops. Or how about Gotham Streets throught the eyes of people who live there. Some like the idea of heroes . . .some notEither way lets get this show made now.
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New story, new world but no introductions. Craft something where it is believable to have all superheroes of the dc world(s) united as a league. For example: they are united because men lives in a destroyed world after a nuclear war. JLA has been formed to help rebuild this world. However, villains see a chance to gain world domination and are trying with all there powers to obtain this dictatorship. Like almost every superhero premise it's a bit cliched but I think something like that could set up a great story with a new unique touch. You don't need an origin story because we start of straight in this post-nuclear world. It makes the tone instantly serious and not as cheesy as it so easily can be. It could realy use a Batman Begins touch. Very gritty, very dark, very mysterious and very action packed. I also believe a premise like this allows current actors like Christian Bale or Brandon Routh to reprise there roles. Yet it's an alternate world so it might indeed be better to just go for a new cast.
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Batman: Christian Bale Superman: Brandon Routh Wonder Woman: Eva Green The Flash: Ryan Gosling Green Lantern: Jamie Bamber (Apollo on BSG) Martian Manhunter: Doug Jones Aquaman: Eric Bana Director: Ridley Scott
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Weird, even changed title before submitting. Oh well, excusi. Gotham Central sounds very awesome!
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kind of only works when you have multiple hero books running concurrently. After awhile viewers ar e gonna get bored of watching cops talk about their family problems outside of an abandoned building while waiting for Batman to deliver the Joker. And waiting 2 years between Batman movies is gonna be agonizing with a weekly peripheral show
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That's why I'm actually for a JSA movie instead of a JLA movie. JSA is more about character and story and less about fanboys arguing about why Batman is smarter than everyone and why isn't Wonder Woman as strong as Superman?, ad nauseum. How I hate that kind of stuff. The public knows the JLA has at least Batman, Superman, Wonder Woman and a GL. Would they accept other characters? Well, probably, but why even bother with semantics? Do a JSA movie and put the second tier guys on there.
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and holy shit was it bad. Guess I'm hitting the want ads?" Gimme a break! So bad, it's funny.
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of all cop shows on t.v. Gotham Central's superhero premise gives it novelty over the others, that's all I'm saying. Personally, I don't like cop shows, but I think it would be unique.
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Forget this movie, it will suck because Batman and Superman, if they're in it at all, will barely be there. And if they are there, then it means the studio is going to shortchange future Batman or Superman movies. A combination movie translates to "they can't cut it alone anymore." It's the opposite of the Wolverine movie--which says "I don't need you boring X-Men anymore." And seriously, a JLA movie does make lone Superman movies harder because how do you not feature the Justice League in future Superman movies? If he's truly facing great challenges, why wouldn't he turn to the JLA from then on?
I'd rather they make other properties first. New Gods would rule! And where the flying fuck is Aquaman? I don't care if some insecure dorks think he's gay! Steal Mike Turner to be the production artist, make it into a 300 or Lord of the Rings style fantasy epic with the war between Atlantis and the surface world (and Black Manta is a must for the villain) and you've got a kick ass movie! Wonder Woman likewise would be incredible with the Greek mythology and World War 2 for the first movie and a modern setting for the sequels (she's immortal, it's not hard). The Green Lantern is the easiest! Start with Hal Jordan, make him go down the Darth Vader route in later movies, have Kyle Rayner inherit the ring and redeem him in the end! Maybe the trouble is the keep thinking of these as crime-fighters who corner thugs in alleways? That's Batman or Spider-Man, but most of these comic book heroes have greater range than that. Why try to conform to the popular opinion of these characters anyway when pop culture thinks they're lame? Surprise them!
Idiots are running the show at WB and DC. Any group that stopped Bruce Timm from making a New Gods production, be it a movie or a TV show, is just a fucking house of retarded apes. Forget this movie, it will go the way of Superman vs Batman very quickly. I only hope it's coming up now to light a fire under the asses of whoever is preventing these other properties from being made into movies. I'd say I want them to catch up to Marvel, but Marvel's movies are sucking. SR wasn't as great as any of us wanted it to be, but it didn't suck the life out of the property like some other adaptations did. And Batman Begins can only get better (though I dread the uncharismatic Heath Ledger as the Joker). DC is stumbling and it is rediculous! -
the supeheroes. Supervillians are fine, but keep the superheroes out of it. There are a million police dramas out there, a great way to grab an audience would be some familiar villians. It would also be a nice companion piece to Batman Begins' real world asthetic.
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and time will tell... wait a minute, isn't this all entirely in theory? Anyway, it would be an interesting twist and has the real world sensibilities that would fit a television show well. I'm just saying that it would pretty much be NYPD Blue with a shit ton of DC gallery name dropping, and all the really interesting crimes in Gotham are usually handled by Batman. Getting the grit of the investigating and cleaning up from the cops pov is great in comic book form when you can then immediately switch books and see what he's Wayne is up to. I just don't know how well it would translate to a weekly show.
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"look, there's more to comics than just superheroes in tights." For all you business minded people out there, it's great synergy! Just about any of the Vertigo comics can be made into a TV series. Anyone up for Fables on HBO? With the exception of superheroes, who need scope, most comics actually work better in a serialized format on television.
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I'd give CSI: Gotham a chance. But a "Powers" show would be much better since the Heros/villains are created for their purpose in the story, as opposed to referenced for background texture as Batman no doubt would be relegated to in a Gotham Central show
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They'll bring in THIS guy: http://www.dwaynemcduffie.com/
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Not that I have a problem with Stewart, but he's going to be used for diversity as to not fill up the team with all white people.
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That's who I think they'll use. Batman may be out, so either Martian Manhunter or HawkMan. I'm 100 percent positive that Superman will be there.
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THANK PHUCKING SINGER THAT WB WON'T GO OUT ON A LIMB WITH THAT AMOUNT OF MONEY AGAIN. WB is not going to shell out a budget that large again. They will be a little fearful and not to mention Legendary Pictures won't have to co finance, which also makes me think that issues with Supes being used a may be a problem. I'm no sure how the rites and stuff go. I know WB isn't like Marvel, where their characters are all whored out to different studios.
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Personally, I think we must have Supes, Bats, WW, Lantern, Flash and Manhunter. There are others I'd love to see as well though
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don't like Batman. rbatty is right, you never show Batman, unless you're in season 3 and about to jump the shark. It's all about the cops and how they have to pick up the slack for Bats, and how they either get caught up in the same thing (vigilantism, even the cape stuff) or how it ruins their lives and if they can survive it. It would be a companion piece to Batman in regards to Gordon's question about escalation at the end of the 1st movie. Gotham Central is about escalation and cops who are in way over their heads. It could just get crazier as the show goes along.
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From IMDBs Superman 78 trivia page: #
# After the success of Rocky (1976), Sylvester Stallone lobbied hard to play Clark Kent/Superman, but he was ultimately turned down. Stallone found out that Marlon Brando, who had casting approval, turned him down for the role, just as he had allegedly vetoed Burt Reynolds casting as Sonny in The Godfather (1972). (Responding to that rumor, Brando told PLAYBOY Magazine interviewer Lawrence Gobel "Francis [Francis Ford Coppola] would never have cast Burt Reynolds.") Stallone subsequently went on Merv Griffin's talk show and denounced Brando, saying he had no respect for the superstar as an actor or as a man. This surprised many as the early Stallone (as had the early Burt Reynolds) had clearly modeled himself after Brando, particularly Brando's characterization of Terry Malloy in On the Waterfront (1954) in his own role as Stanley Rosiello in The Lord's of Flatbush (1974), a man named "Stanley" (a la Stanley Kowalski in A Streetcar Named Desire (1951) who had a coop of pigeons on his tenement roof (like Terry Malloy). This mimicry might have been one of the the reasons Brando reportedly had such antipathy for both actors. Stallone later explained that he felt that it was hypocritical that Brando, whom stated on numerous occasions that he took the role of Jor-El simply as a paycheck and nothing more, vetoed him for the role of Superman. Unlike Brando, Stallone grew up emulating and idolizing Clark Kent/Superman (and continues to) as well as having a great love for the comics mythology. Ironically, in his review for the Stallone film "Rocky", Roger Ebert called Stallone "the next Marlon Brando." -
Please.
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I'd cast Phil LaMarr in the part if there was a chance he could really bulk up. And by bulk up, I do not mean use roids.
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And thank god Stallone didn't get the role as it gave us Reeve who for me was perfect for Superman
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on a team without Batman. Sorry! They will just find another character to play the Batman dynamic to the team, anyway. Make a JSA movie instead.
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As Richard Donner's Superman. But in the ensemble I described, I'd want Superman to be a really solid looking character, lots of lumps, maybe been at it since the dawn of men in capes. Gnarly face from bashing away generations of planetoids. But not a do-aller. An anchor, but not a father figure. Give the other characters like Green Lantern something to stand out against. They do the fancy stuff and the fast thinking, Supes rams onto the scene like a cannonball and clobbers the bad guys, incontestably best at that, but by no means renders anyone else redundant. That's what Stallone would do. Likewise Ed Norton (or as I suggested for opposite Stallone, Robert DeNiro) would also whip out the best Steven Seagal imitation with the chop-sockey, and scare people, but wouldn't render a Hawkman or an Aquaman on dry land utterly pointless.
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but it would be difficult to have a live action Batman when all the other characters can use a superpowers. Maybe if all the stories were separate for most of the movie. Maybe they could have a superhero version of "Go". Green Lantern has to find some way to pay back Lex Luthor for all the meth he gave him.
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Thanks for the backing but I can't claim invention of this idea, as much as I like it. The rogues gallery playing in a 'real world' police dept while Batman's shadow hangs over everything is quite a nice idea. Could even do it from the start of Batman (never actually seeing him) through the start of the rogues gallery though to weird villains becoming the norm. It's something I'd quite happily watch over a few seasons
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That's not the character, dude. Sorry if I jumped in improperly and stuff.
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doesn't strike me as an unthinking beat the crap out of anything in his way kind of guy. Maybe Stallone as Bizarro
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nasty little things from his toolbelt on them, just like in the comics. He doesn't need to be the fastest or the strongest, just the smartest. Anyway, I'd still like to see him get some ribs broken, 'damn Deus Ex Batchina!
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What planet are you on?
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And ditch the rubber suit. Bats is smart, massively trained and by the time he joins JL has gadgets and gizmos galore. Great line from the recent Bats / Supes crossover by Loeb when they are surrounded by villains when Supes says to Bats 'You always think we can take them'.Bats is the man who can.
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Feb 23, 2007 6:40:45 PM CST
Pffft. If this ever gets made, I'll eat my Yankees hat
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My nice fitted one, too.
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Agreed?
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Sorry to spoil your hardons guys!
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It will not get made, Cause comic geeks never get laid,
Reading this and Watching that, missing out on lovely twat.
Look over there - some lovely tits, I am such a silly git?
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...I think the JLU writing team would be best at handling this product. If they can pull off JLU while outsourcing animation duties to the eastern hemisphere, they could pull off such a film. They've demonstrated respect for the mythos, the ability to generate new stories, and a balance between action and storytelling. This would likely work best as a trilogy, with a schedule of direct-to-video (along with graphic novel and video game) releases between each installment.
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along with Jonzz while they are at it. I am not saying that to make them more realistic, just that we don't need people lifting Kryptonite-laced islands over their heads and stuff, or turning into a competition.
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'I will not get made' then his rewrite
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...whereas Routh couldn't afford to. What else is he going to do?
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so much better than Gotham Central. The only thing I hate worse than a horse is a dead one, and I will beat the shit out of the fact that GC's essence is in it's added scope to the reality of Gotham City. If it were a show, it would be higher profile than the movies since the show could fill most likely 2 seasons between movies. A show loosely based on "Powers" in which 2 central cop characters have to investigate crimes committed by and on Minor level Superheroes would be a smash if it were played either realistically a la "X-files" or for satire. I could easily imagine a "30 Rock" type show capturing the simple drawing book style of "Powers" so that the dark humor and creative storylines are forefront.
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seems more feasible
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If you wanna do a superhero team movie you gotta do the Legion. After all the Legion are the future of the DC universe. The direct descendents of the JLA. The new animated Legion show is pretty cool...way better than I thought it'd be.
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Crappy costumes and all. You know it to be true
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With the LOD in the floating skull in the swamp. The three stars shooting past the screen. The crappy narrator. The little to no action at all. And tons of camp!
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Powers actually hates superheroes. And it turns out once the writer got mainstream, yeah - he really does hate him some superheroes!
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Superfriends when I was a kid. I thought their floating base was cool. Except for Wonder Woman, because she had the invisible jet and who doesn't want one of those?
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I always liked how it came out of the water and I totally went apeshit when I saw the LOD HQ in JLU, it was great!
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than Powers. Powers is 99% shock value.
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who do we petition for this to be made
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reminds of the thundercats casting that was done a while back
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TV transition promise. the Powers premise. for promise. What's a cop show without brutal inhuman crimes? and what's a cop show in a city overrun with cartoonish super villainy without twisted horrible events vefalling heros?
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I wouldn't mind Avery Brooks but I think he's a little old. And def. not Sam Jackson, he needs to be saved for Nick Fury! And I agree John Stewart over Rayner, Jordan, Gardner, everyone.
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is so much more fun than... Trading Spouses. Sorry, first channel on Time Warner in Central Tx is Fox. Damn you Time Warner/AOL/DC, Squandering your properties like a bloated King Lear disappearing into your madness while the world turns into a reality TV shithole.
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Only way to go.
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Let's not forget Doomsday people! He punches faces good, right?
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WB uses all characters in the DC universe that couldn't carry an entire film. frankly, this "Justice League" will only happen after each character of the league has run into the "Schumacher-bad" sequels, or it's a "reimagined" Justice League. Kinda like making "The Avengers" movie and not telling the public it's the West Coast Avengers.
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Just stop it already. You would have been 6 when it would have been on TV. You would have watched it lovingly and without fail and compared every TV show to it for the rest of eternity. Bad costumes, dialogue and all. I mean you bought a talking indestructible car and a guy that could make a bomb out of toothpicks, vinegar and spicy mustard. Just admit it already...As for the JL movie. I'm surprised it took WB this long to consider it. There is obviously only one director that can take on a movie like this - and I'm sure WB has already realized this - and that is James Cameron. Don't even consider a no-name, Sam Raimi or Michael Bay. Not if you want it done right.
The film would cost about 400-500 million (shut up and fork over the cash WB) and should only include 5-6 main superheroes (Supes, Bat, Lantern, WW and Aquaman/Flash) and one mega-villain. No character introductions/backstory needed (everyone knows these characters). Open the film with a monstrous 150 million+ 30-40 minute action sequence(the equivalent of the Normandy scene in SPR but with more lasers, superheroes being thrown through buildings and massive killer robots). Someone gets killed right away (*cough*Aquaman*cough*) and we're off and running. The next 30-40 minutes set up the three picture arc that includes several more deaths on both sides. A smaller battle with 1-2 heroes in the middle (maybe even against each other) and a cliffhanger action sequence to end the first film. The film must not, under any circumstances, run past the 2 hour mark. No let up. Trilogy, shot LOTR style. July 4th release. Each character gets his own one-sheet/ billboard and mini teaser trailer. Booya - sit back and collect the proverbial fat cash. Now who do I need to talk to to get in on this first draft money... -
I hope a live action flick never makes it to the screen. It would just end up being a cg trainwreck and then all the fans would piss and moan about how bad it was f'ed up. Just learn to live with and accept the fact that most comic movies will suck ass!
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What's the address?
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and im not against it, get paul dini or the guys who did jlu to wrtie or direct this thing, and it will be ace
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And that's saying much! I would SO watch a Gotham Central TV Show! Just finished reading the 40 issues yesterday and that was the first thing that popped in my head.
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Although Supes could have been better still; and not with more hot "action," but with more of a narrative drive. I just don't think it makes sense to flame everything. Just transpose Ghost Rider's Cage and Burton's Planet of the Apes onto what Superman Returns might have been, and give the studio some credit for not ruining it when so many big names in Hollywood were so eager to do so eight ways from China. Sometimes they get one right, and lets help this be another time like that with some simple hope.
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I know Christian Bale wont do this,I think Brandon Routh Might but unless Nolan Directs dont count Bale in as Batman.
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I see it two ways, they either go balls out and have it be a huge undertaking of massive proportions, or they go the building threat route.
Either one could work, but in a world where we already have had the Xmen movies, that were all about set up until the last one, wouldn't it be awesome if the first 15 minutes of a JLA movie were nothing but pure adrenaline, setting up the entire fucking thing, open with a big huge alien invasion of Star City or something, then one at a time during the attack, the heroes come out from their respective cities and do their part, you get to see what they do, without it having to be explained, they could all meet, and then the rest of the movie would be about the even bigger attack when Darkseid himself shows up...some shit like that! Although it would be cool to have Superman and Batman, you wouldn't need them there, they could be implied, this could take place before they existed, or while supes went to space and batman was training, and if I remember correctly, superman and batman aren't original members of the jla anyway, AND if they don't include the big guns in the first installment, think of all the death they can reap on a lot of those lame second and third tier heroes???? nothing better than watching some lame second stringer getting their ass kicked by the likes of Mongul!! it could be cool. Go balls out WB!! we don't need all the drama...the technology is there, the characters are there, Marvel has been kicking your ass at the theatres, time to kick back...And of course, if they don't use the big guns in the first one, they could be set up for the sequal, and the possibility of having spin-offs would be highly likely, since the WB owns all the friggin characters, they can't go wrong. Well, they COULD, but if they just listen to me, they wont! :) -
Marvel has been putting every friggin character they can think of on screen,and succeeding in making money on them...even when they suck.
We got:Blade1-3:Daredevil-Ughh:Hulk:Xmen 1-3:Electra-oy:Spidey 1-3 can't wait for 3:F4 1-2 Silver Sufer looks cool:Ghostrider_haven't seen it yet:and Iron man in the works, another "fun" Hulk, and more coming...Dc got, Batman, Superman...annnnd????you're a little out numbered DC...oh wait, ghost world...hmmm...I'm not counting the original Supes or Bats, because well, they are still the same friggin characters..so WB needs this Jla Movie..and a JSA movie would be cool too... -
Have the Justice League established already and have the story follow an "outsider" (Batman, perhaps?) who reluctantly joins the team to help fight a global threat. This is the same thing they did in the first X-Men movie. I would only have Superman, Wonder Woman, and Green Lantern as the main JL characters. They are the most powerful DC heroes - the "Dream Team," basically. The B-level heroes like Hawkgirl, Aquaman, and the Atom can have supporting roles, similiar to how they used Iceman and Pyro in the X-Men films.
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Corn power! And, by that, I mean it'll be really, really corny.
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The Trek movies are kinda similar because you've got this big ensemble of characters but outside or Kirk/Spock its down to just how ancillary the others are. That's why Supes and Batman should be these very handy but kinda grey and reluctant guys who the others have to work around as often as not. Wonder Woman deserves focus though, and not because she hasn't had a film franchise, but because she is the one it would be most interesting to watch fight physically because all she has got is strength and skill but not at Superman's level, and no Batman toys or tact. Plus the whole wind-current-coasting thing could be used for some cool Crouching Tiger tricks. But back to Superman and Batman, their time should mostly be playing off of each other, in the manner of the team-up flick that didn't happen.
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The Watchowskis...I know many of you hated the sequels to the matrix, but my god those movies look beautiful. And they can pull off multiple srory lines,and can you just imaging the sheer rediculousness of their version of Dark Seid????? it would be sick. And remember, MAtrix was their baby, they did whatever the hell they wanted, but they also did a great V for Vendetta, which shows they are able to translate someone elses character...they would kick ass...and yeah Cameron would kick ass too, but I think he likes to own everythin he directs..soo,I don't think thats gonna happen.
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man, remember back in the day when everyone thought that the matrix sequels were gonna be amazing and life changing experiences and they turn out to be the phantom menace of the new decade.... those were fun days.. anyways, im not sure about them directing a JLA movie, but they can write it and produce it
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.. things since sliced bread, but from my perspective, they where head and shoulders above the phantom menace..I can actually still pop them in my dvd player and enjoy the glorious adventure, sure it was all over talked to death, but damn if I am still not blown away by all the cool fighting and amazing set designs. aside from them getting too into the psycho babble, the films still entertain and the main characters held their integrity, the story just went into places that we as fans of the first one didn't expect them to go.They still have my vote to direct.:)
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Don't seem to car much for narrative really. Comics on the other had, while know for some great imagery, are about bending that imagery almost solely to the purpose of telling a story sequentially. And the good ones tell whip-cracking brisk stories. The comics the Watchowskis have been involved with, while I do like them, aren't even confusing, they are just expository about texture, and go absolutely nowhere.
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"the films still entertain and the main characters held their integrity" so you didnt mind that morpheus became a background character in revolutions? and that neo and triny were absent for almost an hour on said movie and we were left with cardboard characters fighting the machines? wow!!!!!
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You loved BB, which was a soulless movie fully devoid of the detective from Detective ComicsYou applauded SR where Supes didn't even throw a single punch.You loved X-Men, which was nothing at all like the source materialYou hated Hulk, which was everything like the source material.You hated DD, despite the redemption provided by the director cut.You hated GR, which showcased a goofy character in a goofy movie that still got the character right.You hated FF, which is the only superhero movie to get everything right except for the villain.Bottom line -- You don't deserve this. And neither do I.
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pretty damn good when they actually release an issue. It's an absolutely bat-shits crazy comic with a lot of fun ideas. I had written them off before I read that comic but I'm willing to give them one more chance.
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But it is not an exercise in sequential storytelling; it only appears to be one in contrast to that Samurai Cowboy one. Now, I like these books, but they are not good examples of what a story is much less how to tell one. That can be cool... But I don't need that from a team superhero movie. What I do need is for them to take WW back to her roots, employing some of that "Bound" bondage with the lasso.
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when I left the Matrix(the first one), I greatly expected a movie where Neo was going to be some kind of superman, that was not what I got in revolutions. But I wasn't dissapointed because going into it, I knew that there was going to be a third film, that probably would tie up whatever was being loosed in rev. Anyway, Revlutions was far from perfect, but the things I loved about it out weigh the things I didn't. It sucked that Morpheus became bacground fodder, and I hated hated hated his speech. in fact I hated almost all the stuff that had to do with Zion. But I loved the super battles, I loved the cinematography and I loved the much maligned burly brawl. Again, the story went into some weird directions where I would not have expected, but to me, it was THEIR story to tell, not a pre-existing character, so they could do what they want, and they still entertained me while doing so. I completely understand if you were unhappy with the film, I came away with more things to appreciate than others. The fact remains, they are capable of delivering a huge scale war on film,and making it look like something we have never seen before, they are capable of filming amazing superbattles, and not doing cookie cutter versions of them. They don't cut corners on their visuals..And I think, if they were to take on the JLA, they would respect the characters enough to get them right.
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not revolutions...but I think you get my drift..I am not defending the flaws of their movies...but I believe they are more than capable of delivering a kick ass JLA movie.
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I see what you're saying. Doc Frankenstein's serialized and out there storytelling would not work on the big screen. However, despite my feelings for the Matrix sequels they have shown with that comic and V for Vendetta that the first Matrix wasn't a fluke and that these guys have some talent. I'd still be interested in seeing what they would do with a Justice League movie.
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ok, see your point,dont agree with it, but its all cool... but like i said, i dont know if i want them to direct the films, but who knows, i will be provewn wrong if their next movie turns out to be excellent
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WOW, we didn't get into a flame war!! cool! Does anyone know what they are up to?
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He thinks he's better and smarter than all of the other superheroes? Bale will do it for a big payday, which is why he did Batman.
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with V for Vendetta. They actually showed almost full restraint and the ability to develop characters and tell a story that had a cogent idea. I think they maybe should not write their own stuff, that's all.
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once without establishing the origin story. Like opening with the JLA in the middle of repelling Starro and the way you learn about their background and relationships is in the banter while they're fighting in small teams. Conversastional stuff that happens while they're going about their action business. Like Batman asking Flash how his powers work, and Flash rudimentarily explaining them and Batman saying, "Have you ever tried....?" and Flash giving it a shot and whammo! Also, I like the idea of Wonder Woman floating on wind currents and not flying. It's cool and daring, and can fail on you. She also needs to be a tactical strategist equal to Batman with her military training. Hopefully they will steer very clear of the snotty uberfeminist characterization.
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thats what I am talking about...I hate to compare, because saving private ryan was a very profound movie, but I see it similar to that opening battle, they have a severe threat to stop, and through that, we as the viewer find out about who they are, and how their powers work...no need to go into a 15 minute origin for 5 characters..you just set it up like they already exist...and learn from there...man it could be great. As far as casting goes,I would love for it to be mostly unknowns...I don't wanna see Brad Pitts face in a mask, and think, oh thats Brad Pitt...I just wanna see THE FLASH, or GREEN LANTERN, not Tom Hanks as Ant Man,you know?
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And recast superman and batman as parallels. Seriously. Superman needs to be a BIG guy in his late 30's early 40's and Batman needs to be a BIG muscle man with an awesome muscle cut body in a nice tight dark grey suite. PLEASE!!!!!
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If there is any justice, the film should be animated , and directed by the guy who done " The Incredibles". A live movie will not live up to expectation. Hollyweird always needs to explain the origins of the characters. I mean look at Superman returns. Everybody on the planet knows supes but the bloody WB studio insisted on a script which retells the story AGAIN!! Now imagine that times 10!!! Non starter.
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Guys - get real when Superman Returns cost upwards of $200m to make and barely scaped that at the US box office, it tells you a JL movie can't be viable. Added to that fact is another fact: Superman returns was SHIT. I cared about the characters that much - that I wanted them dead!
Christopher Reeve will always be the definitive Superman; but casting Routh was better than Nic Cage!
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And Transformers will kick ass!
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You know guys!
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Place your bets now!
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I would still love to see a live action version,if they could pull off X-men, they could pull off JLA.Yes X-men was not perfect,but it was good enough to lead to X2, which rocked. Jla could just start right off ROCKING if they learn anything from the past. All they gotta do is stear clear of what they did to X3, and oh yeah, not make it like CatWoman, shit I forgot about that turd...damn, maybe this isn't such a good idea after all...shit, now I'm conflicted.:( And Superman returns was great.Yeah,so he didn't throw a punch, but that's alright, he used his heat vision, lifted an island, saved people from destruction, flew in space, broke the sound barrier, used his superbreath,and stopped a plane from plummeting to doom...oh yeah and superstalked lois. :) In the original Superman, he didn't use any other powers except flight and strength,and X-ray vision. No heat vision, no superbreath..oh yeah, he did turn the world backwards...:)
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Get Alex Ross to design everything. Get Paul Dini, David Goyer and Geoff Johns to do the script and make sure that it has nothing to do with the crapp that is SmallVille.
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they shouldn't do this....this is financial suicide. Somebody said 500 million earlier ( don't know if that was a joke) , but yeah enough said. Animated would be the best way to go. Just making the movie without giving characters an origin...oh ok, i understand, don't give them character devlopment lots of good movies don't have that.
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...it just hasn't been given the official greenlight yet, I think they may still be in negotiations with Alex Ross, or else just waiting to see how the first slate of animated movies go. Same deal with Dark Knight Returns, that's also heavily rumoured to be in the works. They're both part of DC's creator involved PG-13 direct to dvd animated movie plans, which are all based on classic DC stories, and overseen/consulted on by the creator(s) that originally brought those stories to life. The first three that we'll be seeing are The Death Of Superman, Darwyn Cooke's The New Frontier and Wolfman & Perez's Teen Titans classic The Judas Contract.
As for a JLA live action movie, I just don't see it. I mean I can believe that Routh would take part, but I don't think Bale would. And I'm not sure that Warners would want any of the 'big three' (Bats, Supes, WW) in it to begin with, while many of the other traditional JLA members had already been either set up with their own in development projects, or else have been licenced out to other studios/producers.Still, if they did somehow get a JLA film happening, it wouldn't be that difficult. I mean if you have Martian Manhunter, you don't strictly need Superman as the two pretty much fill the same role powers wise, though a Supes cameo as *the* hero that everyone looks up to would still be nice. Batman in the JLA is more a marketing move than anything else in most incarnations, so much as I love the character, you can live without him in a movie like this. If he's in it he's just going to take over and it's going to turn into a Batman-centric movie with other superheroes on the edges. Wonder Woman you could take or leave, I mean it's not like there aren't plenty of strong female 'warrior women' type characters in the DCU that can be used instead.So bring in Martian Manhunter, and (if Warners has or can get back the rights) bring in one of the GLC Green Lanterns (John Stewart so it isn't just 'the league of whiteys' perhaps), The Flash, Aquaman, Green Arrow, Hawkgirl and/or Power Girl (for the warrior woman slot if you're not using Wonder Woman), and some lesser widely known/more out of the box type choice, like Vixen or Red Tornado or Zauriel or Metamorpho. Then see which characters really work on screen, which characters people take to, and spin those guys off into their own solo movies. What I'd do anyway. -
sorry i just saw you do a box office forecast for Shrek and that movie just hurts me.....i have to let off some steam. Brilliant idea, good/funny movie. Not God's gift to animation as umm everybody thinks.
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Shrek and Pirates come out a week apart,and they are kind of the same demographic. Also not to mention Spidey 3 will have a lead on shrek by 2 weeks....I really hope spidey wins...Please God
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the voice of the MCP from Tron?
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Routh? Superpowers Schooperpowers. Bale would make Routh his prison bitch.
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i am officially on your side
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Plus, cast Rose McGowan and Matthew Lillard as Wendy & Marvin.
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Don't see how they can make a descent Justice League movie. Most of the JL fly and it cost a fortune to do that. That's why X-Men movies suck because the budget isn't big enough to let you see all those characters in all their glory. Man! I hope it's 100% CG! Shrek movies are amazing to look at and they cost less then 100 million to make, imagine what you could do with 200 million on a 100% CG Justice League flick!
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...god damn it. Anyway, Routh and Bale will be in (Routh's Superman can match Bale's Batman. Another movie, different characters and it could be different but it's not so it isn't. Plus Bale has, can and will work with other directers than Nolan). I can also see why WB is going with this. WW, Flash and GL are all currently in dev hell. Putting them straight into a JLA movie could not only serve as a giant ad for their solo flicks but JLA 2 and 3 will do the same for whatever superheroes WB will be trying to launch at the time. There are a LOT of LOTR fans out there. How much money would a Legolas origin movie make? Wait a minute... What's Peter Jackson doing now...
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...and she has to wear the fishnets! The rest of the movie can be absolutely shite and I'll still pay to see it.
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John Stewart is a nuanced character and I've enjoyed reading his adventures - heck, I even read the AWFUL "Green Lantern: Mosaic" series. BUT, let's please keep Hal Jordan in the film - don't change the makeup of the original JLA "for the sake of diversity."
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I can't take credit for thinking of this actor first, but Nathan Fillion would make an outstanding Hal Jordan. I wish I could remember who posted that originally in another TB, because that choice is SPOT-ON.
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I'm not looking for a pissing contest - I was just referring to the fact that I posted the news on the site earlier that day. I got excited - it's the Justice League! Nobody's trying to cramp your style.
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The charcters in X-Men are mainly just that, X-Men. All their histories are rooted and based in the indivual world of the X-Men mythos. The JLA on the other hand is basically an all-star roster that has charcter like Batman, Supes, and the GL who have their own backstories, history, enemies, and adventures that aren't based on the their being in the JL.
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Gotta have Black Lightening.
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I was screwin' around. Nothing personal meant. If anything, it's more a chuckle at the AICN staff, because I've handed tidbit after tidbit in the talkbacks and they never follow up. So when Joel Silver ends up a producer...
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can't stand HJ, steward is superb in JLU
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the writing duo who have been hired to write the script? Sorry if this is a terribly obvious question, but I don't keep up with these things. What other movies have they written?
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I hear everyone moaning *as usual* about the movie, but not one person brings up that Bob morton from robocop was in the JL pilot clip.This is a shameful day,where bitter tears are tasted upon my lips....a day when i realized that nerds are truly a dying breed =~( So many claim to be "real" nerds, and heck...everyone wants to be one!Girls dream of marrying them,kids look up to them...but yet, the phonies come out in abundance, while the "true nerds" are forced to watch their name polluted. I know there are some real nerds in these TB's, but UNLESS you have or "could" subject yourself to American Ninja,any chuck norris movie "romancing the stone" or the horrible sequel, have watched Wes Cravens "swamp thing" countless times and felt guilty while doing it ....but did it none the LESS! and know who Adrienne Barbeau is, You are NOT a real nerd.Real nerds are sharp tounged and quick witted and intelligent...because we were either scorned in school for *being different* and had to learn to strike back with the only weapon we had *our minds*We have played some sort of role playing game at some pointWe have had swirlies,and *my personal favorite* been "spotted up" with a bingo dabber, to wind up looking like a cheap Thai hooker!You piddly "wannabe" nerds come in here leaving flaming troll turds,the whole time claiming to love film,yet never having anything intelligent to say about it....you should be ashamed!Speaking of turds! whats up with WB? oh wait thats right, they have given us some decent flicks........but,lets not forget the mass of nine coil steamers they have dropped on our laps.A walk to remember,adventures of pluto nash,Affair of the neclace,catwoman,Ecks VS Sever...need i go on, or are your eyes allready bleeding?Theres no way i would trust WB in giving us a good JLA movie...their track record with super hero movies is best described by this short Haiku i wrote. ~Breaks Wind~Makiko.
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Check out that picture. The Flash is sporting a camel toe. I'd have thought Wonder Woman would be the one displaying a moose knuckle.
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This is EXACTLY the type of story he's be into. I want to know what he thinks. JDanielP, where are you????
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... what on Earth are you talking about? There is no such genetic anomaly known as "cleft lips" (are you making a remedial attempt to reference cleft palate?). Were anyone fool enough to agree with your humor, they'd assume all of those people who watched Stacy Keach play Mike Hammer were off of their collective rockers.
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they might as well forego on making anymore of those movies for a while, and just put Routh in a Justice League movie. I mean, he was good, i will give him that..great choice, but not sure if strong enough yet to carry his own franchise. Bryan Singer did a hell of a job on the X-men franchise, but after SR, i dont want to see him ANYWHERE near this justice league film.
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3 films as batman, and even the contract said one could be a Superman Vs Batman project, I am sure they can easily figure out a way for that 3 film contract to work towards a JL movie with him as Bats.
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I dont know...if they can get Routh, great...if not though, i can honestly see them going the whole Supergirl route, in an attempt to maybe start yet another franchise...which wouldnt be the worst idea on earth..i could still dig a JLA or JLU movie with her in it if cast properly. Honestly though, if they do decide to have supes, and cant do Routh for some reason, i say this is the perfect chance to finally get Tom Welling. Say what you want, but Smallville has been pretty damn good this season, and ratings are up.
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The only credit that I've seen the Mulroney's get is on RE-writes to the "Mr. and Mrs. Smith" screenplay (the movie, not the upcoming TV show). THAT'S my one concern; we'd all feel great if Frank Darabont was writing the script, but these guys are kind of an unknown quantity.
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in the mind of the public (what they knew of GL, that he was white, probably) thanks to the GL cartoon. I like Hal Jordan, and I'd LOVE James Marsden to play him, but it won't break my heart if they used John. That character has really come into his own.
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Bale's Batman does seem young, but he still is has a more adult quality than Routh. I really don't think Routh would be a good enough counter to Bale's Batman. He is not a very strong personality.
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authoritative personality in the JLA as it is his power levels. I would not buy anyone looking up to Routh's Superman.
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Just thought, WB announces Man of Steel at the end of summer / start of fall '06 for summer '09 and now JLA for... when? Christmas '09 maybe? Will Routh go straight from the MOS shoot to the JLA one? Will there be TWO "Superman kicks ass" movies in '09? MOS means no Singer, JLA in itself means no Nolan. What's Peter Jackson doing? No Hobbit (sob). No Halo (sob sob). WHAT IS PETER JACKSON DOING??? WB, for the sake of all we (cool movies) and you (money) hold dear, get Peter Jackson for JLA. I mean this. GET PETER JACKSON FOR JLA. Singer said he got Superman by making two X-men movies. Jackson filmed LOTR. THE "UNFILMABLE" LOTR! Get it? Get Jackson. Please do not get your balls out just to chop them off like most of us think you will.
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The whole point of SR was to shake Superman up emotionally and let him find his place again. Now that's over expect Routh's Superman to be a lot stronger personality-wise. And Superboy? Please, that noise died when people heard Routh speak. Now they complain that he's too much like Reeve who correct me if I am wrong, was no Superboy
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Feb 24, 2007 4:30:09 PM CST
Please don't except Superman returns as a "good" movie!
by the advance guard
That film was flawed and boring: we deserved better.
I will say it again: I cared so much for the characters - that i wanted them dead!
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Feb 24, 2007 4:35:22 PM CST
That whole lifting of the island thing was elephant
by the advance guard
Elephant Shit! And let me tell you: elephant shit stinks!
How can Superman land on "new kryton" one minute and get an ass fucking by Lex luthor (a shit Kevin Spacey)then moments later he can lift the whole fucking thing up!
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Routh was a good choice. Sure, during the emotional scenes he played unsure because he didn't know his place in the world, but there were moments where he was sure of himself, like during the plance rescue and Metropolis rescue scenes and when he dismisses Marsden's character to Lois with a simple, "not like this." I had a few problems with Returns, but overall it was a great superhero "character study." Yeah, I know, people want wall to wall action, but the first Superman was pretty light on action as well and not many people were complaining.
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That's all haters ever do is cling to labels, differing opinions be damned.
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http://tinyurl.com/ypdrcqKind of shows a few of the faults I have with BBRouth just is not a problem in SR . .the island lifting was a problem but that won't appear in the sequel. Routh will and once again he'll be good as Supes
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okay, I am going to assume that we have all read comic books at one point or another, featuring the man of steel in many many many numerous situations where he has had to draw upon his sheer force of will to keep going and save the day. WHy when he exibits those same characteristics in the movie by using every ounce of strength left in him after recharging in the upper atmosphere can you guys not buy that? If he got up right afterwards and moved a couple mountains, I would be with you, but as soon as he got the thing to where it couldn't hurt anyone, he passes out...he drained himself and all his strength by pushing that thing into space despite the Kryptonite...it was that or have the planet be destroyed..C'MON!!That's why he's superman, to go against all odds and pull out a win. I mean shit, it not like he was eating the shit for breakfast...And who the hell knows how powerful Kryptonite grown from earth minerals is?? Maybe not as powerful as Kryptonite from Krypton?? All I'm saying is, if you believe a man can fly, you can believe he can lift that island into space.
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I am only guessing, but , I can easily see the end of the next sequel having that new krypton pop up with brainiac being the entity aboard, and using the rea-animated dead bodies of Kal Pen and the other two hench men, as the new Zod,Ursa, and Non..it seemed to me, in all of Superman returns, those three stuck together, the fourth guy being killed by piano, and only Kal having any meaningful lines? but it just stuck out to me that they got crushed too soon, THAT dissapointed me, 'cause I wanted Supes to go and kick their assess for the beat down, which leads me to believe they will be back!! Sheesh..any one buying this? Just a theory for the sequel, althoug I would rather have him go up against the parasite and Metallo as well as maybe doomsday...in the next one..
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..I don't think this should be made now. A majority of people won't know people like Green Latern or Brainiac (cast pending). If they want to introduce characters, it would probably be about Return of The King amount of time length.
I'm also afraid that the studios execs were probably thinking "instead of having Wonder Woman and Green Latern in their own movie, let's do them all together! That way we don't have to worry about funding each individual movie. Plus we'll have Batman and Superman, of course it'll make money!" -
i think so many people had a problem with that because if you make superman THAT strong...then its almost like, who cares!! If he is that frickin strong, its kinda hard to get that feeling of "Oh, will Superman win, or save the day"...people need to see heroes with a little more vulnerability in order to relate.
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while Batman masturbates and sobs. You heard it here first!
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According to Comics Continiuum, David Boreanaz will supply the voice for Hal Jordan/GL for a straight to dvd adaptation of JLA: New Frontier. Full details will be revealed at The San Fran Con.
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... I understand what you're saying. Still, I suspect that Warner Bros. has researched the core demographic for superhero movies, and might want to get this one going before that target audience "outgrows" the product. I believe someone else referenced the recent Variety cover article that placed the core comic film audience in the Gen X range (as *opposed* to millennial). If that translates into spending on tickets, this issue might be "when would it be too late" as opposed to "is 'now' too soon?" With what this project could do for spin-off and merchandising dollars, I suspect that the more time they waste without it being made, the more money they're losing. I do hope that they realize that writers/producers Dwayne McDuffie, Paul Dini, Bruce Timm and Alex Ross (concept art) could be the key to making this film work. By going with writers that lack a prior association with the product, they're risking having to spend marketing $$$ simply justifying creative decisions (as Paramount/Dreamworks has recently been doing with "Transformers").
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Ok, how about Katharine McPhee?
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FF 2 and Transformers make big box office. WB greenlit the script after GhostRider's box office numbers. In my opinion, they announced to generate buzz but it'll die if FF 2 and Transformers tank.
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Don't get me wrong, Alex Ross is an Art GOD, and especially when it comes to DC comics..BUT!!! Do any of you remember his concept for Spidey? As much as I love his stuff, that didn't look like Spidey...it looked like a Spiderman:Snowboard outfit...It was beautifully rendered..but it really didn't look like Spiderman, and many may have their gripes, but the suit that ended up in the movie looked As close to Spiderman as you could get, raised webbing and all. But I AM NOT BASHING HIM...I just don't want the flash running around in lycra or anything...and that's kinda' what Alex Ross does, he paints from models who wear nicely designed polyester costumes...but maybe they can use him for designing Bat Robots or some cool shit like that.
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that's an interesting point, which I never thought of, but could be argued in defferent ways. Did you feel the same way when he spun the earth on it's Axis and rewound time? Or was that okay because he wasn't physically moving it?
Another question would be this: So you like the Superman who is depowered, but what about all the generations of people up until 86 who knew and loved the one that COULD move planets and possibly break them in half if he sneezed? if you were one of those, then you would think he souldn't even have blinked at any of the shit in this movie....
The way I see it, Superman varies his strenght from situation to situation. It's possible he doesn't even know how strong he is. He just knows that he can't use all his strength to stop a Jetliner for fear of ripping it to shreds,and he can't hold back when the lives of all he has left are in jeapordy. This is fantasy, so I was able to check most of my issues with reality out the door, I don't think it was implausable for him to create such a feat, after all he is SUPERMAN not sub-parman...you know? -
If you have the Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman in it.
I have shown the Sandy Collara "Worlds Finest" trailer/film to dozens of non comic book fans. I get the same reaction every time. They can't get enough of it. They want to see it again. They are terribly dissapointed to find out that there is no real movie to go with it. Because they want to see this movie.
BOTTOM LINE: If movie audiences see a trailer for Justice League that has not only two Superheroes that everyone is familiar with (Superman and Batman) in it, but also has Wonder Woman (Whom most of the world knows is also), it won't matter if they don't know who the Flash, Green Lantern, Hawkman, etc, etc are. They will be hyped up to see it. They will be hyped for opening day. Then all you have to do is make a movie that lives up to the trailer......But if Superman, Batman and Wonder Woman aren't in it, there just won't be that level on anticipation for it from a general movie audience.
I'm not saying that JL movie wouldn't succed without them, but with them it's a slam dunk.
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Superman or Batman. As long as they are good in the roles no one will care. Christian Bale was great in Batman Returns and I am glad he is returning but if he decided not to do it at the last second and another actor took the part audiences would not turn away. As long as the actor was good. We've had more than one Superman, more than one Batman, more than one James Bond. Audiences just care if the movie is good.
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It will involve Wonder Woman, Flash, The Green Lantern (Hal J), Hawkman, Robin (Yes O'Donnell will be back), Aquaman and Martian Manhunter... Cameron is in, he'll be throwin a press conference Monday and the big suprise ending? Yes people the JL will get a new member at the end of the movie, all hell breaks lose, Manhunter, robin and Hawkman are unconcious, Wonder Woman is getting bitchslapped by Gorilla Grodd, Green Lantern is still wondering how a restaurant can be called "The Shechwan Lantern" when Shechwan isn't even a color, Flash is being held down by the Joker's henchmen, and Aquaman is too busy helping out a certain Movie Director by diving to search for things found on the sunken Titanic, then when all hopes fail...Jesus will ressurect from his uncovered bones and make the world right again by changing all the world's water into Château Lafite wine thus making everyone a little bit frunk are more pleasent.The rest will be history!
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Kinda like drunk but in a Battlestar Galactica kinda way... Fraken typos!!
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I never said it wouldn't succeed, without the big 3. But with the big 3 it's a slam dunk.
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I hear what you're saying. The reason I said not now is because a good majority of people don't know who it is. And with the wealth of info out there about JLA, it could be a great film. Look at X3, while I thought it was decent, it could of been a lot better. The ending of X2 made me think "whoa, are they going with the Dark Phoenix Saga?" And X3 seemed to just end it as soon as it was mentioned. I'm just hoping something like that doesn't happen with this movie. Another worry I have about this movie is I hope they don't give it to Mark Steven Johnson...
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Sorry Ckone; as eloquent as your theory is: it can't escape the fact that the island lifting was lame.
The Donner Superman movie is a classic; just look at Superman Returns and see how little they have moved on from it: sylistically, nothing has improved. Reeves will not be bettered; Hackman's Luthor is better than Spacey's because Spacey's is a carbon copy.
I remember hearing (when SR was first being released) that his Luthor was "more evil": bullshit!
In comic book folklore you have to stick to the fundamentals: Kryptonite is kryptonite and it fucks up Superman: period.
What was the point of that whole island sequence?
Because Superman is so weakened by the Kryptonite surely the smallest actions would have the greatest effect on the audience from an emotional perspective?
Superman lifting up this (to him) cancerous land mass was just over exageration. It did not work.
(Back me up guys!)
Superman turning the planet back on its axis worked becuase the earth is not a huge krytonic hybrid!
In conclusion, if we except SUPERMAN RETURNS as being "good"; then we give the greenlight to Byran Singer to make another sub-standard interpretation on the ongoing adventures of Superman.
The only "good-thing" about SR was the casting of Routh: but he is not a patch on Reeves.
Routh is better, a far better choice than that smallville dude Mr Welling.
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hmm, I won't argue the lifting island point, I cannot disagree that since it was filled with Kryptonite, the only shit in the world that can hurt Superman, that he should not have been able to do that. I just was able to accept it.
But, my point in bringing up the original is that, something just as implausable was done, and accepted...by all laws of physics, all humans should have been wiped off the face of the earth when he spun it backwards...but thats not the point either...I guess I was just able to buy it , and others don't. Thats cool...As far as comparing the two, SR definately took it's cues from S1, and Routh is a great Successor to Reeves, NO he will never replace him, but since Reeve is dead, we either move on or never make another Superman movie again. As far as Luthor goes, sorry , but to me Gene Hackmans Luthor WAS ALLWAYS too campy, even when I was a kid, I thought he was so. If I could change one thing about SR, I would completely take the Gene Hackman respect out of it, and have Spacey make it completely his own..And for you to say the character wasn't darker is silly, not in any of the earlier movies, did Hackmans Luthor exibit such hatred and violent intent as in the island beat down scene. WHEW! So,agian, I can't defend that siple fact that he should not be able to lift a fucking Kryptonite Island, but I will take that gripe over the mess they make over in the Marvel movies..Ie: DD, FF, Elektra...not spidey and X1 and 2...them there rock...Just please WB, PLEASE DON'T CATWOMAN IT PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!! -
If I don't get SUPERMAN KICKING ASS all over the fucking place in the Sequel, then count me in on the haters...but I have faith in Singer...when I saw X2 at the midnight showing with a packed audience, and some guys who actually dressed like x-men, (c'mon) It still is the best movie experience of my life...everyone cheered at the same time, the entire theatre ROCKED..that is what I expect from the next one. If that don't happen..I will be one unhappy Singer fan...
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by any chance are ya? 'Cause if you were, that would be sweeeet!
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dudes this is the justice league. they would absolutely positlvely need to go MYTHIC and break out the bucks for this to even have a hope of working.
as such here's the cast:
superman - routh but age him a bit. to really give him an air of authority. stallone if routh isn't available, but stretch out to 6'2" via the miracle of CG.
batman - bale. but better yet, if they really got balls, go OLD. martin sheen old, in that dark knight sort of way.
green lantern - same thing. age him a bit. my favorite character in all of comics and i've only ever pictured one guy playing him - harrison ford.
flash - matt damon as wally west? i don't know who should play barry allen really. brad pitt? ah, why not. oceans 13 here we come.
wonder woman - monica belluci, voluptuous, raven-haired, and classically gorgeous.
green arrrow - jude law or pierce brosnan sure, oliver queen needs this air of sophistication about him.
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Routh, I agree. I would have accepted Routh if he was not supposed to be a continuation of Reeve's Superman. That was a major misstep. However, Routh is not a seasoned Superman in my mind, period. He comes across as a very "green" Superman. And the kryptonite island was a bad piece of writing just like the rest of the script. At that point, it didn't seem like an accomplishment, just desperation to make a cool moment that didn't work. If you're going to reintroduce Superman after being gone for so long, the last thing you want to see is Superman "figuring his stuff out." Ugh!!!
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not aimed at kids. That show has as much sexual innuendo and serious violent content in it as other adult shows.
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is built around that. If Supes can't handle it, he gets Batman - World's Finest. If they can't handle it, they get Wondy. At least, that is how DC has arranged the focus over the years. And actually, the three of those characters are all you need because their personalities play off of one another perfectly.
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Get him WB. Get him and it will happen. It'll happen and it will rock. Get him, Routh, Bale and Anne Hathaway (after a few months in the gym of course).
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You didn't like SR. OK, your opinion is fine however 3 things:
1:No "green" Superman in JLA. JLA is going to be after MOS.
2:No Singer. He will be busy with MOS.
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If they did it with the same enthusiasm thet they did the Spidey movies.
The possibilities would be endless.
They could Dini-ize the characters Spin them off into their own movies...DC Marvel crossovers...
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Nothin' against Jack, but they can't sustain their own comic book, let alone a $100 million production aimed at middle Americans and kids who wouldn't know Orion from O'Reilly, Bill.
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Feb 25, 2007 11:37:36 AM CST
WB here's a hint: If Bale and Routh aren't signed...
by r.c. the "wise"
DON'T MAKE THE FILM!!!
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Ya know, when i was young, i thought Superman reversing time and all that was pretty damn cool, but now, years later, I agree...by giving him THAT much power, it just makes it that unbelievable that he could ever fail or anything. I am not saying make Superman weak or whatever, but if they intend to make him more and more powerful with each film, its time they give him a villian that will match that power, like Bizzarro or Braniac or Darkside. Enough with Lex Luthor growing islands, shooting off missiles, and all that...cause we all know Superman can stop that kinda crap in the wink of an eye.
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Miguel Ferrer who was Bob Morton also played the exact same character mark mardon/'The Weather Wizard' in a episode of Superman the animated series with the flash titled Speed demons. But back on topic I would like to see a JSA movie just so I could see Dr. Fate but I fear it could turn out to be another LoXG. This movie could be a Dream come true or a real Nightmare. I think its beneficial to WB to get this movie made now, who know how long Comic book movies will be viable for Hollywood. if WB's takes 10 years to make this movie there might not be a audience for it, This is the approach Universal is taking with the Avengers and it might not payoff.
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I agree that the general public may not know right away that Routh was the new Supers, or Bale is the current Batman. However, i do believe that the WB will not want to confuse many moviegoers and screw up their other franchises by casting different actors in JLA than in the Superman or Batman series. I think they want, whether the public remembers or not, to have these actors engrained in the heads of the general public. And i hardly doubt many people out there still think Keaton or Reeves are Batman and Supes currently...call me crazy on that
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Batman Begins was successful enough that everyone knows Bale is Batman. People would say Routh is Superman as well because he was 100% marketed as looking like Christopher Reeve. It really is a shame they didn't let Routh stand on his own and have his own story. I have to say I like Reeve's Superman and Kidder's Lois, but I don't necessarily think those movies are perfect, there is a lot of stuff there if I had it to do over I would ditch. Those films coast on the charm of those two actors, mainly Reeve.
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is that JSA has all of the characters that fulfill the team dynamic of the JLA, but without all of the baggage of the big three. For instance, if people like Batman, they will likely appreciate Mr. Terrific, but Mr. Terrific doesn't have to be Deus Ex Batshina like Batman does over in JLA. They have their own Flash and GL, and so on.
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we dont need another LoXG
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is that when it comes time for their movies to be made audiences will be confused as to why it's not the same guy.
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Why did we get Luthor's real estate scheme (an extension of Hackman's used car salesman Luthor but thinking BIG this time!) when the technology is available to do a Darkseid or Braniac in the movie? The whole Singer Superman film is an excersize in not trusting the audience. We did not need an extension of the Reeve films. You could not make that without Christopher Reeve, I don't care if Routh was channelling his ghost.
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Not a live action JLA. Why not make Kingdom Come CGI movie. Hell i'll even go for a 2D-animated full length feature. I just don't see a live-action JLA actually working. Please WB think this through first. Cause if this fails, you can kiss your DC comics movies goodbye!
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What is Kingdom Come.
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Speed Force will fix that. With respect to the GL, I expect the GL movie's explanation of the GL corps and Oans will take care of this more than one issue. If the costumes are different, and the actors in JSA are older (as they should be), they will not think they are the same person.
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an apocalyptic future in which Superman has withdrawn from the Earth due to destroying a supervillian named Magog which caused a tremendous amount of destruction. The superheroes broke up into factions and became distrustful of one another. Lois dies in the destruction along with Metropolis and Superman has guilt feelings, but not enough to prevent him from shacking up with Wonder Woman, who has become a militant @#$%^ who Alex Ross draws like a man. Wondy and Bats hate each other's guts, and Bats is real diappointed in Superman and now an old man held together in armor, creates his own force of heroes to take down the fascist Superman & Co. We have Frank Miller to thank for this kind of story, which I truly hate. It also seeped into the end of JLU. Nice art, though, except for Wonder Man.
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being drawn in any way masculine. Which is pretty much how DC draws her now. If her powers are magic/myth based, I'm not sure why she needs to look this way.
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With today's special effects and the way some superhero movies have been so well made, Singer really dropped the ball on going all out and giving us something original. Its almost insulting that he felt the need to basically remake the first film, with yet another damn real estate scheme. With the powers of the kryptonian crystals, you would think he woulda came up with something better than building frickin islands!
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http://www.hillcity-comics.com/poster_misc/wonder_woman_long.jpg
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biatches
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I tend to think the moderate success of Batman Begins, and the moderately successful effort to market Routh as Superman go more to continue people's perception that those two rolls could be filled by almost anyone. Nobody has played Batman for more than 2 films in a row in recent history and people know that. Adam West is the only guy to have any longevity with the character. Even James Bond offers more stability than Batman. Most people feel Superman is dead (Reeve), but at the same time the general public currently accepts TWO men as Superman (Routh and Welling). You could probably even cast Dean Cane and have the majority of the public say "oh yeah, that guy is Superman too". A decent casting agent could easily plug in a decent Batman or Superman without much effort, and they could taylor the actor to the script, rather than the script to the "established" actor. With that said, if Bale and especially Routh want to keep playing those parts and stay in the good graces of the studio and the hearts of the public, they probably should consider asking to be in Justice League. They might find everyone likes their substitute more than them.
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But I will say the public finds this kind of constant changing irritating. Of course they want a definitive Batman - that is what people always want. They want the standard by which they judge the rest. That is why Spider-Man will have a hard time shedding Tobey Maguire eventually or why Leonard Nimoy is still affectionately known as Mr. Spock. They have yet to have him so they cannot have tired of him. A definitive version cast with the same actor will make more money in the long-run. People like continuity.
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all the other Batmans are not THE Batman. Bale's Batman is the closest yet, because it gets closest to the heart of the myth -what makes Batman tick: justice. Not having a fetish for dressing up like a Bat, or getting chicks, or being a madman. The screenplay should be applauded for treating the character so respectfully. In the other direction, no one was fooled that Routh is Christopher Reeve's Superman. Singer & Co. completely missed the mark by deconstructing the Superman myth. They're idiots.
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No love for Booster!
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a villian punch or shoot a perky little supergirl and has the camera follow her as she crashes helplessly through a bunch of Metropolis buildings with her tiny little super-skirt fluttering in the wind until she lands hard on the cement, and then gets up and says something snappy about how it is her turn now, the movie will do gangbusters. Doesn't matter what other characters show up. If the trailer has 1 or 2 laughs, people being thrown through shit, a quick shot of a "cool" looking "bad ass" and a couple of explosions, the audience will be there in droves.
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Congrats! You are probably correct.
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they don't NEED the bat and the kryptonian boyscout (or deadbeat dad depending on which version you choose) to have a viable franchise. They also don't need those two characters to tell a cool story or to make a good film. Over 90% of the films I have enjoyed in my life had neither Batman or Superman in them. I wasn't trying to be a downer. Additionally, the two hypothetical trailers I suggested could both be from great films or they could be from terrible films. The good news is there are plenty of great stories already out there for this movie to base itself on, and state of special effects these days means they could make any of those great stories look fantastic.
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JUST DO KINGDOM COME!!!! christ Hollywood, this shit writes itself! its not that hard to get right!
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I think that if both were together, Routh's green-ness could actually help build tension between the two characters and the team as a whole. Some might look up to Superman because, well he is Superman. But Batman will have much more presence, and he will be able to make his case. So who do you go with? The guy who is more powerful and theoretically a more moral person (if we ignore SR), or do you go with the mortal who contributes more despite his overwhelming limitations and exudes authority and experience? The tension doesn't work if Superman outclasses Batman in every category.
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...to Hell with a JLA film. Just give me Nolan's THE DARK KNIGHT and Singer's SUPERMAN: THE MAN OF STEEL, and that'll be enough for us nerds!
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that neither DARK KNIGHT nor MAN OF STEEL are faithful adaptations of those comics, but are actually popular titles slapped onto sequels for no reason? I don't really care, but I enjoy reading unreasonable complaints. SOMEBODY GET TO IT!
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Batman being a pessimist and Superman being an optimist. They have two different views of humanity. No one would follow an optimist blindly.
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a bunch of koolaid drinking idiots. Then it would work.
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After New Frontier.
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I agree with everything you say.
I want the next Superman film to kick ass!
Move on Singer, show us what you have got and don't dissapoint: this is your last chance! -
I'm not him. And if I was, I'd make sure this shit would be cool.
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Surprise, surprise... it's about time I've read support for a KINGDOM COME flick. Just look at this talkback! In the past, I went on and on about the possibilities of such a flick. It's nice to read how others feel the same way. And personally, I feel that Peter Jackson's artistic eye would lend itself best to realizing such an epic story, realizing the vision of gifted painter Alex Ross. Obviously, such a flick would involve techniques used in "300" and Jackson's "KING KONG", along with the progression of digital CGI technology. But hey, I'm certainly excited about a "JUSTICE LEAGUE" movie. That is, as long as the talent and budget are both there to back it up... to make it as visually interesting and epic as "KINGDOM COME" (as it still is, to this day). I REALLY desire much more than a popcorn flick out of this project. In fact, I want the best damn superhero/fantasy flick of all time, with Superman and Batman included. --And how do I respond to those of you who say that Batman wouldn't work within such a group? --Bullsh;t. BATMAN could, ...in fact, ...be the best SURPRISE of such an epic flick. It gives me goosebumps, even as I type! (Remember in the comic books... when powerful members of the JUSTICE LEAGUE were taken down and Batman couldn't be found? "He's only human!" And Batman figures out the enemy's secret... and with the smell of gasoline, he lights up a match and smiles.) PLEASE give this project everything you've got, Warner Bros.
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stories are not going to be used for the JLA film. That would be great, however, its going to be some formulaic tentpole film, such as Fantastic 4, and I doubt it will be much better.
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I am very excited for the next one, I think , Singer by now, has heard the call of the geeks, and knows that he needs to deliver some major action in this next installment.
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Or lame depending on what you think of it...You remember that 10 mil Krypton Scene they dropped out of the SR? Well, what if , in the Sequel, that is the opening scene, and Supes does what he does, and then leaves to go back to earth,but in the process has awoken Brainiac!? Who makes his merry way over to our neck of the woods to find a giant Kryptonite laden planetoid on his way, that happens to have 3 dead humans on it, who could then be infused with the conciousness' of ZOD,URSA, and NON(brainiac saved their scans?) ..bringing them back to kick Kals ass around?? If this is what they do, I hope it isn't for the next one, I don't mind this idea, but I would rather Superman fight a villain that he hasn't already faced in the movies before...I don't want the sequel to SR to be a revamped Superman2..I would love it to be all new stuff, with some classic baddies, like Metallo, Parasite, maybe Doomsday..shoot, he should be able to go through most of his rogues gallery, dispatch the lame ones quick, and then finish off Doomsday, I don't need him to die , just have Doomsday tear Metropolis apart, maybe maim Jimmy, and then have the end be the arrival of ZOD!! I wouldn't mind something like that...:)
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redeem Superman Returns. Reboot the franchise, and get a real woman for Lois. They can keep Routh but everything about SR storyline needs to go. And no more poor man's imitation of Reeve's Superman.
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Why the hell didn't they go with someone who looks like the guy in Batman: Dead End, or whatever that movie was called. Bale has the weakest chin and doesn't do a convincing job in the role--if you ask me...
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I do feel that in this day-and-age; Singer has the tools at his disposal to make a decent villian.
I must say though: I do like General Zod.
Have any of you guys seen the Donner Cut of Superman II?
In it, the Supervillians are put back into the 'phantom zone' so in that respect: the villians are a viable entity in their own right.
I will say again: the only good thing about SR was Routh and that is not saying much. Maybe the only thing that can redeem SR is a good sequel? Agreed: Kate Bosworth was shit as Lois, Luthor was inadequate - the movie can be torn apart but a complete reboot of the franchise will cause meltdown. We have to except Singer's first bullshit attempt and make our voices heard for the next installment.
Superman needs to be tested and we need to be impressed! -
Do you hear me Singer?
Enough of the gayness dude: bring on the badass! -
I would be funny to see the guys now?
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Peace and party on dudes!
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If it were to be made into a movie should be a period film set in the 1930's, it should not be the older heroes, but rather the nostalgic, originals, filmed in rich, golden and sepia tones. It would be far better than the Watchmen is going to be and would be a perfect companion piece to the JLA--and they wouldn't even need to Have Bats and Supes, though Wonder Woman would be awesome--set it in New York at the World's Fair and it would absolutely rock!
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Why is it some mongols continue to believe that Superman actually physically spun the Earth backwards in Superman : The Movie? I mean seriously, What is your IQ - 12? To believe that you must be seriously fucking retarded.
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Nonetheless, I'd simply love to see a Green Lantern movie.
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Now that's the perfect storyline for a Justice League movie.
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Parallel Earth. If they try to use Routh, Bale & any decent A/B-listers lined up for solo films to play GL, WW, etc., the budget will go so far out of orbit it'll make Superman Returns look like a brilliant example of cost control. Set it in the 40s, make it look like Sky Captain & use unknowns for all the hero roles. Bring it in under $120 million and they may have a chance of it not becoming as flat as yesterday's lemonade.
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Why activate Braniac and not use him/it other than to just bring back Zod,who we have already seen in a film? Why not just Superman vs Braniac? Maybe have Braniac hint that he knows there is other life in the universe, including someone tougher than Superman, to set up a threat for the next film.
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I really liked Superman Returns, but I admit it had a couple of problems. The biggest problem was Lois Lane. The other problem was too much dependence on the Donner films. I liked some of the homage but at the same time we've seen Luthor before. Lets get a new villian.
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He's the best of Superman's villains, and I think people are tired of him at this point, but the animated series have shown what you can really do with that character.
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Knowing how they do their test demographics, we're gonna be getting Vibe, Gypsy, Vixen, Blue Beetle and G'nort...with maybe a cameo by B'wana Beast.
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what would you do with this property? I mean, it's unlikely that DC will do Kingdom Come just yet, so how would you do a "modern" team?
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I love the "Oh, he was PUSHING HIMSELF TO THE LIMIT" bullshit the Singertologists use. How do you explain the fact he had Kryptonite INSIDE his body when he did it? That he was able to fly around and be just dandy with DEATH radiating IN his side? I know people who "liked" this film were dense, but come on....
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but I see all the points your criticizms make. to me the weakest link was Lois, there was one, only one line in the entire movie, that to me sounded, looked, and moved like Lois Lane, just one, in every other scene, I didn't buy it, but the one scene, when Perry has made his decicions about what stories to assign, and he gives the power outage story to Clark, her response, and exhasperated anger filled "thanks chief" (or something like that) that was Lois, everything before or after that..the chick from blue crush in a bad brunette wig. Other flaws to me were the heavy heavy influence of the original. Lex's Land scheme..and not enough action. The good for me was Rouths understated performance. I liked that throughout the whole movie, even when he was Clark, he was always using his super powers, super hearing, x-ray vision to watch Lois, but he didn't do the stupid shit like WALK INTO A TAXI?? My only gripe with that might be the "super whistle" I could do without that. I enjoyed the idea of him having a son, to me it is a good decision to give him something that deep to care for,it's different than the traditional Love with Lois, which we've all seen done, him having a son, moves the character along. And how could he be a dead-beat dad if he didn't know she was pregnant? And now that he knows he has a son, you know he will be there for him. So I don't get that gripe. Lex was pretty evil in this, except for, of course not finishing the job of Killing Superman, I'll never understand how these villains do this, why let Supes jump over a ledge, when you could have slit his throat and have been done with it? Oh well. Still though, I truly enjoyed SR, and look forward to the next one. there is no point in asking for a reboot, since they've already made plans for the next one. Although I guess they're doing it with Hulk..I know I would be ticked if they did that.
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You LIKED that he was stalking her?? You LIKED the son?? You THOUGHT Spacey was "evil" as Lex?? Son, YOU being upset at a reboot means NOTHING in the end. When WB see's that as the most PROFITABLE way to go, it WILL happen.
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I would love it if they made the big guns line up, Supes, Batman, WW, Flash, GL and MM, oh yeah and ocean guy too.
BUT, if that isn't the case, then , I would think it would be cool if they decided to make it about, say, MM, Black Canary, Green arrow, Flash, and maybe ocean guy, trying to stop a HUGE threat and after attempting and failing, they go on the hunt for Superman and Bats, but can't get a hold of them , Either supes is off planet, and Batman no one knows how to find. Then we see how the small team struggles and bonds through it's valiant efforts to thwart the threat, until the end , when Superman and Batman finally show up to help, but find that the job was done by the the second stringers...AND THEN, from the sky, a giat BOOM tube appears, two giant evil death beams plow through the heroes, possibly killing canary? or at least maiming Ocean man?? and we see the minions of Dark Seid spilling out onto earth, with Dark Seid holding Superman up by the neck, bloodied and battered...only to be continued in JLA WAR of APOKOLIPS. I'd dig that, that way, they could have sups and Bats, but not have them be the focus, freeing them for their other singular movies to still come out, then, after all that, the second one could have them all together kicking even more ass. OR they could just do whatever they are gonna do. BUT PLEASE REMEMBER NOT TO GO THE WAY OF CATWOMAN..PLEASE WB!!! -
Superman Returns. It grounded him with humanity. Most of the film dealt with him feeling alienated from the very people who he is determined to save. Giving him a son also gives him an attachment to humanity. It grounds him and makes him realize that he has a home on earth. It also means that the Kryptonian legacy will live on. I think it's a great way to further the character's depth. I find it interesting that people complain the film is too close to the original, but also complain that the son was too much of a departure. Personally I like it when films take risks and I think the son worked perfectly.
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Giving him a son was just a stupid "Television ratings grab" BAD idea. Having a 5 year old MURDER worked "perfectly", huh? Dense isn't even the right word anymore....
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they just dropped over 200 mil, resetting the ship, they have a 10 mil scene ALREADY FILMED, IN the CAN, Routh is in place, the set up is done, to the common movie viewer, Superman now is Routh, and has had a son with Lois, and just lifted a Kryptonite laden island into space, AND SURVIVED!! I don't think they would reboot now. It would be more insulting to the audience to say to them, well, we know we just made Superman returns, but we're gonna do another one WITH THE SAME ACTOR, and act like that one didn't happen, sorry all you guys that liked it. So, lets move on, at least you know in the next one, he won't be lifting a Kryptonite island, since it was already done. And what is the problem with him having a son?? For 60 years in the comics, superman has been wanting to get with lois, only 15 or so years ago they got married, so wouldn't the next progression be kids? You don't have that kind of time in movies. It was a bold choice, and it was different and interesting and brings more to the table, than just the same old shit. there is something else Superman has to protect now, lay down his life for if need be. There is a lot of good that can come of that,more so than bad. And I am not an apologist, I see the flaws, but was not affected by them the way you were, I was able to enjoy the movie immensly. And again, have you read a superman comic? How many time has superman come out of being almost depleted of all energy and still save the day? How about in Dark Night returns when he survives the nuclear blast, and GETS RE-ENERGIZED BY THE SUN? how about all the times he's lost his powers and goes to the sun for help...but you can't buy that he lifted an island full of rocks and kryptonite...okay. No prob man, that's fine with me, but do me a favor, when the next one comes out, and is directed by singer, don't go. please. just don't go. but something tells me you will...:)
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Kryptonite INSIDE of him ring a bell, Singertologist? And you are compating a nuclear blast to KRYPTONITE? Maybe someone SHOULD crack open a comic book. See how ignorant his "argument" is. And something tells me IF they made a sequel, I won't be the ONLY one "staying away". Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on ME.
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Go back and look at The Dark Knight Returns #4, and you'll see that Superman actually gathers strength from the Earth after the nuclear detonation; that's why he was not at full strength when he fought Batman at the end. In the old comics, it was always a combination of the yellow sun AND the lower gravity of Earth that accounted for Superman's powers, and that's the route Frank Miller went in TDKR.
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Lets see, in the comic books, there was a story line, where superman had Kryptonite laced through out his body, to the point where he started GLOWING GREEN. Yet was still able to do his thing, up until he was knocked uncocious. During this storyline, they were setting up the OUR WORLDS AT WAR event, and at the same time Lois was missing... If he had Kryptonite in his system, why wasn't he dead? Why was he able to fly around a kick supervillains asses, shouldn't he have been a whimpering puppy? it took it's time and slowly weakened him. In the movie he was hit with direct Kryptonite, and it knocked him out, when she pulled it out of him, he instantly awoke, obviously, you can conclude that the shit is stronger and has more of an effect when directly in his body than radiating around him. So, if then, he shoots up to recharge in the sun, I would say that while there were little chunks of Kryptonite in his body, they were not enough to out do his recharge...But, see, that is MY mind accepting the illogicalness of a guy who is from another planet that can fly and shoot fire out of his eyes. I have used my imagination , and what I know of tha character, and am able to "buy" it. I don't disagree that it was a stupid choice to have him lift an island full of Kryptonite, but for me it didn't detract enough to take me out of the movie. My point is, there are years and years of comic stories where superman has come back from many many an opposing obstacle, and come out on top, shit even DEATH...So that is why I can accept that here. And again, it isn't like he just flung it up there with no cosequences, he did create a giant crater in Central park didn't he? he did get knocked out no?
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Did, in that arc, Superman LIFT A GIANT MOUNTAIN OF KRYPTONITE INTO SPACE?? And since Singer DID NOT use comic books as his reference, so your "point" is moot anyway. The MOVIE set precedence, and it said: "Kryptonite makes Singerman so WEAK, he can't even ball-up his fist". And creating a crater is a "consequence"? Why, did he have to go fill it in later or something? And way to use a lame cop-out. "It's about a guy who flies, so NOTHING needs to make sense". Get a fucking clue, Einstein.
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that is correct.He still had to recharge though and survived. shit , that reminds me that then he had green arrow shoot a fucking kryptonite arrow and explode it in his face,Batman electrocuting him, with the entire cities power,yet he suvived everything batman threw at him there too. Thanks Abin Sur.
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it's cool, you think the way you want, I will think the way I want. My point in referencing the comics,was to point out how in the past the character has been through similar situations and survived. if you throw out the comics, then all you have is the movie logic, and by that, he should have just wrapped the whole fucking island in a cellophane S and be done with it. I'm done, dude, I enjoyed the movie. flaws and all. sorry you didn't. I will most probably enjoy the next one.Sorry you won't. or maybe you will..:)
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You aren't too bright. And your lame attempt at "humor" failed. Did he throw a cellophane "S" in this turd? Nope, but FACTS don't matter to you 'tologists. Do they?
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When Batman fried Supes head. I need to go back an re-read that one.
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That Bats would have pwned Supes if he hadn't taken the heart attack medicine?
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Bats had Supes dead to rights at that moment. I have always said, that prepared, Bats could take him, and there is no finer example than that moment right there. But if Batman was, say swinging through gotham, and Superman decided to go postal and fry him with heat vision from a mile away,or fly in with superspeed and just rip Batman in half, it's a no brainer. Even then, Superman would have to be in a killing frenzy, cause I don't think he has it in him to ever really kill, unless it was absoulutely necessary. but if it was not planned, if they were just chilling and supes deicded to go nutso and kill batman, he could do it.I'll take solace in that, since they will never let that happen, maybe in an else-worlds story some day.
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Rather than us going back and forth over this, I would really like to hear your ideas for what they should do for the next installment. Lets say you are the writer, hired by WB, they say, okay, Singer Fucked up, but we have decided to continue with what he started, write it for us KAl El Vis...I wanna know what you would think would make a cool sequel, and please don't cop out with, "the first one sucked so bad" type deal.Rather then be negative, I'd very much like to hear your ideas.
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Instead of going off on some "fan fiction" tangent, I will tell you this: EVERYTHING Singer did CAN be un-done. The Donner movies set the groundwork for getting rid of the kid permanently, and I would use it accordingly. Superman would be, well, SUPER. Not Singerman, Superman. Lois would be re-cast, and would BE Lois. Not some whiney, self-absorbed brat like Singer created. The suit would be repaired so it looks RIGHT. There would be a villain to fight, but would ALSO include a "revamped" Luthor. No more real estate themed "escapades", he would be out for POWER. No one can prove what he did in Singerman Peeps, right? And the whole "stuck on an island" schtick was BEYOND stupid. Helicopters don't need gas for the radio to work. So, in a nutshell, I am saying NOTHING BS did was permanent. WB needs to realize this, and give him a boot in the ass.....
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so, we can discuss, even ARGUE about a fictional character, and his movie, but you can't find the creativity to say what you think would make a cool version of the film? Fine...I'll take what you gave, I would prefer if Luthor stayed in the shadows in the next one, just plotting his revenge, and quietly building his power. No more Hackman Luthor please. It would suck to have to reacast Lois without giving whats' her name another shot, maybe better writing? but I wouldn't be offended if they did recast her. But either way, they need to make her less whiny and much more bold and take charge, Like Lois should be. Superman himself, should do a HELL of a lot more Super shit. I got no probs with the suit, I liked the darker reds and the buckle. high neck line, and all, my only gripe would be to make the 'S' a tad bit bigger. I agree on there needing to be a Villain ,I would say more than one, no need for them to do a spidermany tie in to Supes' background. yeah, that whole Island thing was corny. I want my Luthor ruthless. But I would keep singer as I believe, he knows that we want to see a superbrawl, and superman doing superman type shit. I think he'll deliver.Thanks Vis.How bout JLA? whats your take on that?
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but I'm sorry Kal El Vis you're arguments smack of geek pedantry. You're complaining about the suit for God's sake! Oh, and Lois took the kryptonite out of Superman before he went above the clouds to recharge. At least get your events right.
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...(and that's a huge assumption) this could arguably be the perfect time to come out with a JLA movie. By the time it shoots, Bale's 3-picture Batman deal would be done. Singer will have done his intended follow-up to Supes. Both of those characters will be very well established in the collective consciousness. So you get Bale and Routh to reprise their roles for this film. The first act plays like a "World's Finest," with Bats and Supes teaming up to follow a lead Bats figured was too big for him to tackle alone. Turns out it's too big for both of them. Supes gets taken down and Bats narrowly escapes in a crippled bat jet, which crashes just off of Paradise Island. He's nursed back to health by Hera's people and his delirious mutterings lead youg Diana to assert her claim on the mantle of Woman. She accompanies him off the island and back to the cave, where he goes through the bat computer to locate additional heroes for a rescue mission (save Supes and save the world). He picks Flash and Aquaman (cause it's near water, remember). The four of them make an assault on the enemy stronghold and find themselves aided by Martian Manhunter, who responded to the cries of agony from a kindred alien mind (Supes). Now you've got a full roster with minimal origin/backstory (Wonder WOman gets a bit, but it's her due as one of the big three, and the others are handled through a quick bat-computer summary and brief recruiting scene or a first-person intro). Last act makes with the slugfest -- which isn't going well until Green Lantern shows up on behalf of the Corps to deal with this universal threat and ends up freeing Superman. The collective heroes kick the ass off of whatever threat this was (doesn't really matter, but it should be linkable to Darkseid for a sequel) and the group agrees to form a team, bankrolled by Wayne Enterprises, with Supes, Bats and Lantern as reservists (freeing those three up for potential solo projects). Other characters can join the team in sequels. Money can be printed. I want a cut.
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Wonder Woman? Haha. I keed, I keed.
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has been able to do all kinds of crazy things that are inconsistent. My issue is that the film has to follow its own internal logic. And Superman getting the Kryptonite shiv from Prison Girl Luthor and then proceeding to lift and entire mass the size of an island laced throughout with Kryptonite and then having the leverage and strength to hurl it into space is UTTERLY RIDICULOUS BY THE FILM'S OWN STANDARDS. Did you see how hard it was for him to stop that friggin' plane earlier? That's why I say he went all He-Man on us. He-Man could barely life a boulder without grunting but then later in the show he would pull two landmasses together. Nice! It actually would've been more believable if the little kid had done it.
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Kal, lay off the guy. The Singertologist joke was only funny the first time.
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are far too worshipful of the character of Superman. You want to look up to him, but Superman is the furthest thing from a savior or a god to me. You just want to like the guy because he's so genuine and earnest. Too good to be true, the way Lois puts it in the first film. They key to a great Superman story is Clark, not Krypton. For instance, two great JL episodes: Twilight and Hereafter perfectly encapsulate Superman to me. They are also on youtube for free viewing.
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you gotta remember, WB i am sure wants to start a franchise, ala the X-men films.....everyone wants to do a darn trilogy now for some reason. So that being said, they will NOT do that at least until the final film!
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tell me that wouldnt be perfect frickin casting right there!!
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I want you guys to write the script for (tentative title) Superman Returns 2!
To quote Darth Vader with your "COMBINED STRENGTH" you "CAN END THIS DISTRUCTIVE CONFLICT AND BRING ORDER TO THE GALAXY!" (By making a decent Superman sequel!)
I like the father son element of Superman and Jor-el: if I am completely honest; the recycling of this theme was mis guided. I would have liked it if Superman's son was totally devoid of superpowers: that would have made an interesting dichotomy.
The House of Jor-el is much more interesting as is Kyrptonian history. General Zod could be handled better and presents an intriguing insight into corupt philosophy and metaphysics: if handled right.
What paradox could Brainiac present?
Maybe a good narrative arc could be Brainiac as a phantom menace, pulling strings in the back ground; but letting Zod take centre stage until revealing himself? -
I want you guys to write the script for (tentative title) Superman Returns 2!
To quote Darth Vader with your "COMBINED STRENGTH" you "CAN END THIS DISTRUCTIVE CONFLICT AND BRING ORDER TO THE GALAXY!" (By making a decent Superman sequel!)
I like the father son element of Superman and Jor-el: if I am completely honest; the recycling of this theme was mis guided. I would have liked it if Superman's son was totally devoid of superpowers: that would have made an interesting dichotomy.
The House of Jor-el is much more interesting as is Kyrptonian history. General Zod could be handled better and presents an intriguing insight into corupt philosophy and metaphysics: if handled right.
What paradox could Brainiac present?
Maybe a good narrative arc could be Brainiac as a phantom menace, pulling strings in the back ground; but letting Zod take centre stage until revealing himself? -
I want you guys to write the script for (tentative title) Superman Returns 2!
To quote Darth Vader with your "COMBINED STRENGTH" you "CAN END THIS DISTRUCTIVE CONFLICT AND BRING ORDER TO THE GALAXY!" (By making a decent Superman sequel!)
I like the father son element of Superman and Jor-el: if I am completely honest; the recycling of this theme was mis guided. I would have liked it if Superman's son was totally devoid of superpowers: that would have made an interesting dichotomy.
The House of Jor-el is much more interesting as is Kyrptonian history. General Zod could be handled better and presents an intriguing insight into corupt philosophy and metaphysics: if handled right.
What paradox could Brainiac present?
Maybe a good narrative arc could be Brainiac as a phantom menace, pulling strings in the back ground; but letting Zod take centre stage until revealing himself? -
I'm interested to know: do I stand alone on wanting a new Bill&Ted movie?
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But I'm rooting for ya!
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anyone who has not seen it,check it out.
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that I feel it is better to just bypass all the pissing and moaning, and try and get some positivity out of it. At the end of the day, none of the shit El Vis spews when being negative effects me in the least.Also, damn, that would be a great side story right there, if in the JLA movie you see the idea of superman realizing there is a woman who is his match, and being attracted to the idea of that, and Lois getting jealous...That'd be pretty cool...And yeah, the movie was very much too much of an homage to the first one. Can't dispute it really. For me, it was fine, 'cause my memory and appreciation for the original just spilled into this one.. but now that that's all out of the way, I cannot wait for Singer to take it to the next level. And, to donate to the Singertology fund, or get information on where to send you comments and concerns please write to P.O. Box sr2 drinkingthecoolaid dr. San Fran CA.2009 :)
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yeah, why not, I'd go see another Bill and Ted...the first to were great...their still young enough, although what is Bill up to these days?
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Sorry ninja, didn't mean to imply anything...;)
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It's like the cheerleader and the quarterback in high school. They do not belong together.
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toil about it.
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And now thanks to the JL cartoon I have a legion of supporters! Bwahahah. There is no tension between Superman and Wonder Woman, and we all know he ends up with Lois anyway. I guess it would depend on the characterization they use for Wondy. I thought JL cartoon was pretty perfect. The t.v. show wasn't bad, just a little on the corny side. I definitely want it nowhere near the current characterization which is really schitzo.
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Score one for the humans! But now the question is, if they were to hook up, could the BAT make it through, without getting his minibat crushed by her mini Lasso.
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It's like Moonlighting, but on a space station.
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Sorry, but I don't think it could be done right.
Let's look at an example: Xmen - was it handled right?
I hear alot of people say how awesome XMEN 2 was: but I have to say that I was dissapointed by it.
I hoped for a more interesting mythology on Wolverine: it seemed fairly run of the mill?
Can you guys tell me why you thought X2 was so great? Maybe I should watch it again and revise my perspective?
In conclusion, trying to fit so may sardines into the can will just end up with overkill. It will dilute the concentration of characterisation?
JL is great for the comics; comics can bend the rules of artistic representation and take on many forms, content and styles of narrative expostion: this is why I love comics so much.
A movie is a make or break scenario for geeks; with the overriding concentration being BOX OFFICE returns. It is not a pliable medium like comics; and once a movie is done, it seems forever stained upon public consciousness.
Comic as art or artistic endeavour gets my vote everytime.
Batman, Superman etc all in a film, will not work, it will kill several franchises in one fowl swoop and THAT IS THE BOTTOM LINE.
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(Thanks for the Bill&Ted 3 support!)Can you guys answer my X2 quandry?
I ask you directly because you both seem intelligent and enlighted on comic folklore.
(But ultimately I throw the question out to all!)
Prove me wrong on X2: I was dissapointed.
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well, the first thing you should know is that, although I have a deep love for comics and have read them since I can remember, I was never really a die-hard x-men fan. The late 80's and early nineties explosion of what seemed like any character they could think of becoming an x-man, and then the whole "put an 'X' on the book and it will sell" theory always put me off.I was always more of a DC guy. But I still have love for main guys, ie Cyclops, Storm, Jean , Iceman, Wolvie(in brown thankyou)and Colossus.
On to X2, Opening scene, Nightcrawler invading the Whitehouse, this did two things,one showed how fucking cool Nightcrawler was, let the viewer know singer had them by the balls and wasn't letting go.(this would be were you would enter a gay joke)
I saw this at a midnight showing with a packed house, people dressed in X-gear, and at this point we all had our jaws gaping at actually seeing a fully realized BAMFING on film. The only thing missing was someone saying that it stunk in the room. The rest of the movie had me hook line and sinker, I think the only time I fell out of the movie, was the scene with wolverine in the snow,with his crazy wolverine hair way too high...it just sticks out as too much to me, but I digress. I think I loved it so much, because, it felt like there was no holding back in this film, the first one felt all set up-ish, this one had a direction and it didn't really deviate from that road, we got to see some awesome moments, WOlVERINE impaling that guy into the fridge made the whole theatre explode, Colossus Metalling out was another (all be it too too short) crowd roaring moment. these were wonderful translations of momemts that before this movie were best remembered drawn by Jim Lee you know? then you get wolverine finally getting to let loose on that female wolverine, Magneto killing the fat security guard, I mean this movie is full of character and just delivered on all points, plus by the time Jean sacrifices herself and you see the sparks of Pheonix fires in her eyes...I was salivating to see part three...(before fox fucked it up) I gotta say, just thinking about all this, there is so much shit in this movie, but none of it ever felt rushed, except seeing more colossuss. And poor Cyclops, never ever got his fair shake. If I had a gripe with the X movies, it's that the "leader" of the x-men, was completely left out of the equation. Thanks to Wolverine..But anyway, I could be up all night writing this, I just remember leaving the theatre not able to wait to see it again, my wife of all people felt the same way. And she wouldn't know a comic if it hit her in the head. -
For all those still baffled by the Kryptonite island, go watch SR again. You'll notice as I did the VERY FIRST TIME I WATCHED IT that Superman is holding on to rock. A layer of bedrock under the Kryptonite. As he lifted, the rock crumbled and the Kryptonite came through HALFWAY UP. But, SUPERMAN BEING SUPERMAN he fought through the pain into the edge of space where the sun (sunlight is stronger and faster out there FYI) was waiting to power that last push. All of which he paid for. Also, I marvel (ho-ho) how the very same people who moan about Superman acting out of charater also moan over the most Superman-like thing in SR. I guess we are dumbing down...
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Watch it AGAIN and see how powerless he was STANDING on a layer of crystal. And for the moron "rbatty" or whatever his name is, THERE WAS STILL A PIECE IN HIS SIDE, jackass. Look at him in the hospital when they take it out, chump.
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Are you ckone's "mommy" or something? You gonna kiss his cheek and tell him the "bad man" isn't going to "bother" him anymore? Grow some fucking balls.
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had the best action of any superhero film so far. The opening Nightcrawler scene, Wolverine v. the military, Wolverine v. She-Wolverine. They were also able to come up with some interesting ways to use their powers. Nightcrawler was a superb visual effect. I loved it when Magneto took the pins out of all the grenades and it was pretty badass when he held up the jet in mid-crash. When Xavier stops everyone in the museum at the beginning we begin to see how powerful he really is. The film wasn't about deep characterization (it wasn't Spider-Man) but they managed to do a lot with just character interaction. I just loved it when Wolverine comments that Mystique is "good" and Magneto replies "you have no idea." It's a great little double entendre. Bobby "coming out" to his parents was a perfect scene, and for all you homophobes out there it shows that the X-Men films were Singer's "gay" superheroes, not Superman. All in all there are a ton of great moments. It's easily in my top three or four of the recent superhero films.
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no-one ever gives in. I still hated it though, but funnily enough the kryptonite island bit wasn't the bit that pissed me off the most- the two bits that drove me insane with rage were superbrat not being able to open a door having moments before twatted a henchman with a FUCKING piano. The little shit should at least have tried- a little point, but it seemed to me to be symptomatic of the flaws in the whole film. The other bit was the whole mooching-outside-lois'-window-frantically-having-a-superwank-in-a-tree bit, which both bored me and made me feel a bit nauseated at the stalkerish lameness of it all.
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I know this talkback is about to drop off the main page, though it may still continue under COOL NEWS. But I'll take a moment to share a few more thoughts. The simple fact is, I'm finding more distractions in my life and seemingly less time. (XBOX 360 anyone?) But I still check out AintitCool at least a couple of times each week, though I don't post in the talkbacks nearly as much (as I used to). And BayouWilly is correct, as this really is the type of story I'm most interested in. Wow, what a dream project this could be for someone. (I'd eat this up like chocolate ice cream.) In response to talkbacker TheRevengeOfBayouWilly, I'll share my completely honest opinion. If I may play GOD OF WARNER BROS. while floating down from cloud 9, I would most likely have a team of people working on various JUSTICE LEAGUE scripts, perhaps broken down into smaller teams and working on separate scripts. As much as I LOVE, LOVE, LOVE the "KINGDOM COME" graphic album and dream of seeing it realized, I would plan for it to be the LAST picture in a 5 to 7 picture run. I know I'm not going to win the motion picture lottery and end up directing my dream projects... so, from that perspective, I would show Peter Jackson why he should be just as passionate about such a project and attempt to sign him, to co-produce and direct. --Now, imagine that we are talking a 7-picture deal. Imagine that we are looking to end this series with "KINGDOM COME", as the characters will age a fair amount within the series. So, in considering that this is a 7-movie-series, I would make number 5 an interpretation of "THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS" (though Frank Miller may have a problem with that), ...an interpretation that would involve other members of the JUSTICE LEAGUE. What I'm saying is... is that these movies can pull from the best of DC COMICS history, ...the elements that excite us most. (Here I am getting goosebumps, again.) --I remember going to the movie theater and while watching "INDEPENDENCE DAY" (ID4), I would imagine the JUSTICE LEAGUE saving the world, ...with BATMAN flying an alien spacecraft (instead of Will Smith) and Superman at his wing. You know, ...the kind of stuff we all imagine seeing on screen, unique to each of us. --Yeah, this kind of project... really is what dreams are made of. --So, number 6 would be in bridging the gap between "THE DARK KNIGHT RETURNS" and "KINGDOM COME". And I realize that, from a visual perspective, it may be hard to imagine such movie interpretations being linked when the graphic albums LOOK so different, as there is great contrast between the artwork of Frank Miller and Alex Ross. But it's not that hard to imagine (from a story perspective), when you put your mind to it. --And as to the origins of characters, ...such could easily be told or peaked at within the context of the early episodes. (Just take a look at Darth Vader and consider how Luke learned of him, even as we were witnessing Darth Vader in action.) Yeah, ...having the opportunity to Captain this ship would be like going to heaven. Only better.
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As risky as this may be, if you want to continue this, you can contact me at my email which is my username at gmail.com.
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I'd be up for some interesting conversation... but the truth is, I won't risk it. Can you blame me? I've had so much venom aimed my way here in the talkbacks, in the past, ...that I know there's at least a couple of people who hate my guts. And why? Because I have a different opinion? ...And the fact that "Revenge" is part of your talkbacker name is enough in itself to make me think twice. (A hater playing nice, perhaps?) ...But then again, your talkbacker name could be Sally and you still couldn't convince me. But I sincerely appreciate your courtesy. --You can still catch me in the talbacks. (And I will return here to look for your response.)
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Well, you could do what I do and make a new email address. They're free from Yahoo!, Hotmail and the like. That way, if the spam or flame gates open, hey-it's not your "real" address anyways. I'm on the myspace but am wary of giving that out. And the reason revenge is in my name is that I couldn't log in as BayouWilly anymore, because AICN doesn't have a great password system, so I just made a new ID. Been around for a while, mostly in the comic threads.
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Have you ever been on a job where you've entered yourself into a conversation which has lasted far too long, and has nothing to do with what you're getting paid for? I don't mean any offense by that, Bayou. But I think Harry tends to frown on this kind of back-and-forth in the talkbacks. So allow me to say, "I will look into it." Just don't expect me anytime soon. And even though I'm not collecting comic books or graphic albums anymore, I'll pop my head into future talkbacks for superhero/comic book related topics and see if I can catch you, now and then. -Excelsior!
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execution is adequate for the most part, but the script is the thing. They are all very good actors (except for Halle Berry who is miscast) and Singer gets good performances out of them. I give him credit for that. The love triangle is well done, it's not trite. It's actually about love and not just lust. You feel for both men and understand why everyone loves Jean - because Jean is the kind of girl who would do what she did at the end. (Plus, tough guys crying always gets me. ;)) The villains are nuianced in their motivations - they do have moral grounds for their grievances, just the wrong response to those grievances. It comes at you from many angles ethically and philosophically. It's topical and relevant. The characters actually grow. They add new team members and then find clever ways to use them, but also to insert a lot of information about who they are with their actions (and not overwrought long dialogue) in a relative short period of time. For instance, Nightcrawler's opening and the plane rescue, and then Iceman, Pyro and even the small moment with Colossus where he immediately acts to take on responsibility for the younger students - that is Peter. In short, it is a very clever, thoughtful and economical script about wonderful characters and therefore that's what makes the movie. Keep in mind, I also very much like X3 for the same reasons althought it is inferior I like how it resolves Logan's character arc and the movies are in essense about him and making his way through this world and situations as he grows and matures as a character.
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Grow a pair, son!
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actually more classic archtypes than the X-Men. Batman is the bad boy positivist skeptic who makes his own rules; Superman is the optimist libertarian boyscout leader; GL (assuming they will go with Jon Stewart, which they will) is the authoritarian soldier; Flash is the intuitive comedian; Wonder Woman is the warrior mystic, J'onn is the meditative and mysterious loner; Aquaman is the monarchist and nationalist.
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But like all good all-ages movies, it should have layers of sophistication like X-2. It's why Darkseid or Braniac would be a good villain because they represent nihilism and annihilation.
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I'm going watch X2 and re-evaluate.
Although many hated X3: I liked it - it was entertaining; though it was a missed opportunity.
I think with the JL : there are too many big name characters that a movie will not do justice to. I could see it ending up like T.L.O.E.G.
X2 with its "layers of sophistication" still has a central focus on Wolverine?
Will fans of JL except the tunneled sense of characteristation that will plague the piece? I definately envisage a reductionist narrative: the type of JL movie that will satisfy the geeks will cost upward of $300m.
We need to focus our energies on The Dark Night, Spiderman, Superman and singular character pieces.
But don't get me wrong: a JL movie could rock?
Contribute to the debate: chaired with excellence by Ckone and Superninja. Lost prophet and Rbatty made some interesting points.
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then make the character arcs fit into it. How do all of the ideas the JLA represent work together, the push and pull, or are there impasses, does it break down? Do people rethink their own views after working with the others? It's about authority and power, the same types of discussions we have about how to run our government or society. There is a reason Superman gets put in charge, it's not because he's the strongest, it's because he's the most trustworthy and fair-minded. To unite them and get them to try this experiment anyway, it has to be something like Darkseid or Braniac who threatens annihilation, not Lex Luthor wants to broaden his real estate prospects.
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Although I would hardly call what I've written excellent...just having fun airing my thoughts on these topics. As far as X3 goes, I went in with low expectations, and came out rather surprised that I enjoyed it. Some glaring things that bugged me about X3 were all the opportunities they could have taken to have a shit load of X characters show up, without having to set a single one up, in all those scenes with the groups of emo mutants, they could have had any number of new mutants, x-factor guys, you name it , all they had to do was have similar powers and similar outfits, and then all the fans could have some nice easter eggs, like, when Jubilee showed up in x1 for two seconds...it was nice to just see it, but in X-3 it was all black leather unknown mutants. what a waste. I also thought they wasted cyclops yet again, and that as cool as the bridge scene was, as soon as it touches down, it goes from a subtle sunset, to completely night time...how lame was that? I liked that they made bold choices in the film, and I thought Ratner did the best he could in the time he had. I wuoldn't fault him at all for what I disliked about the film. And I think the other thing that bugged me , was that the whole premise, a mutant cure, turned out to be undone at the end of the film...so what was it all for? And if you think about it, the only real death, was cyclops, and those no name mutants, cause Prof X wakes up in another mans body, and Jean could always come back...if that was really her! so , alot of what they did in X3 didn't matter...oh and in the exact opposite of x2, they did not do justice to the love story of Iceman and Rogue, or the possibility of a cool side story with Angel, he just drops out of the movie, and the pops up in the end..lame. But, I still enjoyed it. But not nearly as much as X2...JLA CAN be done, but WILL it be done correctly? Somehow, if they make this movie sooner rather than later, I would think that means they would go without Supes and Bats, as they still have a lot of leg left in their own films...But if they wait, and slowly plan it correctly, it could include them and be one of the biggest movies since X2. I hope so. Either way, I just hope they do it justice. Keep costs down WB and hire unknowns! put your budget into the writing, directing and effects! But make sure the actors can act!!!!Thanks!
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in X-3 of the Mutant Underground. The X-Men have uniforms, I'm cool with that, it's a training academy. But everyone else was dressed like they were going to hang out at a goth/numetal club and it's kind of a tired look at this point, even though it does fit with the underground scene, I thought if the movie was going to be fairly over the top in comparison with the other two, why not go all the way with it?
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they were designed by the same person so obviously. The uniforms make sense, but when you are dressing individual characters, you are supposed to enhance their character, not make them look like they all went to the same tailor.
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other that Batman and maybe Wonder Woman to be wearing some form of body armor.
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Ckone and Superninja.
Thanks for the food for thought. Can an X4 movie work? Where can they go? How about the much touted Wolverine stand-alone film?
The JLA could be the greatest superhero movie ever: WB led the way with the Batman reboot, namely Batman Begins.
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They should make it animated just so I can have my Gary Cooper Flash.
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Wolverine film should be about him as Patch in Madripoor and include Psylocke, going into his Samurai history and Mariko Yashida relationship via flashback.
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Something along the lines of Starship Troopers. You can do it!
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couldn't agree more, the design seemed obviously rushed. they weren't even cool enough to be considered Mad Max Rejects...As far as Other heroes wearing armour, I would also have to agree, though the argument could be stated that other than speed, the flash isn't bullet proof or anything like that, he could be hurt, though I doubt that they would put him in any type of armour...it would kinda hinder the running around shtick. And I guess I could see Green arrow in a batman styled suit...he's another one of them humans after all...X4? It sure could work, there are an endless amount of stories and characters that they can choose from to continue that series.I could see,and see myself enjoying, Iceman finally coming on to be the leader of the Next group of Xmen, with Arch angel, Maybe shadowcat, and Colossus, Rogue , you'd have enough of the original characters, and have plenty of new shit to discover. No need to keep harping on the JEan wolvie Cyclops triangle, that world is sooo rich with great stories and characters, it would be a shame if they didn't make more. But definately time for a new direction...Wolvie could work, but I worry that it could be a case of OVERdoing it? Like Hugh might have his own idea of where the character should go and grow, and it might be vastly different then anything we could phathom, and if they indulge in it, could be bad...But It sure could be good...And yes, if done correctly, the Jla could be the GRANDADDY of all superhero films, if they let it be. It SHOULD be epic. Keep away from F4 territory WB. Although, F4RSS looks like it is going in the right direction, and is actually making me want to go see it in the theatre! which the first one did not.
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I don't think there are many Wolverine stories that I've enjoyed. If you throw in Kitty, you'd have a better chance of me enjoying it. Singer butchered Sabretooth so badly that really takes away many options. I just don't think you could make a good movie about Wolverine vs Ninjas or gangsters, and that tends to be the way they go with solo Wolverine stories.
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you know that is so friggin true, whenver Wolverine leaves the pages of the x-men, he is almost always fighting Ninjas and in Bar fights of some sort. And they've done it all the time. Maybe, if they focused on Wolvies past, his days as Weapon x, they could avoid that problem, it would be like seeing a completely different character on screen, or maybe they could pull a Godfather II homage, and have him moving forward in the now, while flashing back to those days, as we see what made him? It could be pretty cool. And, if they do go that route, they still could have A real ass kicking Sabre tooth, rather then the defanged goon in X1.
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Parody? Of what? I'm baffled?
I'm just interested in the synthesis of minds and collective thoughts of Superhero films.
Maybe I can't qualify as a world expert on all things X-men; but the parallels to the JLA provoke serious debate: do you not think?
I'm interested in knowing how fellow fans envisage the futher developement of said films; I am not interested in parody - sorry.
If we as fans, can voice our designs on character developement; then I believe, ultimately, that a richer architectural canvass can be painted, in colours and tones that provide a better understanding to whoever reads the dialogue.
The contribution of dialogue, however mundane; fuels the fires of discussion: that is why I would say to anyone "contribute" whatever is on your mind. You might not be addressed, but contribute nonetheless.
Does that clear things up Superninja?
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you never know when someone is being funny.
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Ckone and Inwo, I hear what you say: I feel a Wolverine origin story (or prequel) makes the most sense. Weapon X needs to be told. I hoped for more of Weapon X origins in X2: tha is why I was left dissapointed.
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Mostly US of A?
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how he developed his moral code. It's like Lone Wolf and Cub but with Wolverine. It's a character piece with action in it, not an action film. Wolverine is a tragic character because he tries to hold on to innocence but the world's a mean place and it never lasts. People grow up, bad things happen, he outlives everyone. So Logan's seen some real ugly. It should tie into the X-Men films only that it should show he is attracted to a particular type of woman and yearns for a normal life, as much as he tries to push it away.
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still or they're "magic" bullets of some kind. He vibrates too fast for them to penetrate his skin, and he's also too smug to wear armor.
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Personally, I don't want to see a Weapon X story. What they told in the movies is enough for me. General audiences get the drift, the guy is tortured, he is not a nice person. That's why it's so wonderful that he's redeemed at the end of X-3. He's not the same guy he was in X-1. What I want to see is a Samurai film with Wolverine set in Japan.
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I think I'd be more interested in a Weapon X story, where we see him completely in that persona, a 100% trained killer, doing what I guess was shield or (insert evil goverment faction here) trained and prepped him to do, and then slowly emerging from that persona to realize that he is more...I wanna see Wolvie slicing people up , without defending himself. That would be pretty nasty. Although if he has to go up against ninjas, I assume he would have to slice them up too..hmmm. My biggest fear with him going all Japan and ninja in the movies, is whatever the filmakers translate that to, and they could decend into the terrible depths of Elektra...Shit if they wanted to, they could segway from Weapon X to Samurai, to Xman, and then go alllll the way back to Origin...damn it, I just don't know...About the flash, I would assume if he was standing still, and someone sniped him, would he hear it and move superfast? or would he be toast? Is he ALWAYS Vibrating his molecules? or just when he is on the move? Aside from having the speed force, and being able to phase through things by speeding up his molecules, does he HAVE other super abilities like super strength and invulnerability? I didn't think he did? I know he has a superfast metabolism..that could translate to healing I guess...any of you know the specs?
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story. It dehumanizes the character, it's not just a flashback in the larger context of an ongoing serial comic book. You have 2 hours to get your point across. If it's just about being a good killer, what's the difference between Logan and a horror character? Or the Punisher? It needs something to elevate it. Two excellent stories/runs I would consider: Marvel Comics Presents: Wolverine by Chris Claremont and John Buscema, and have flashbacks adapted from Wolverine by Claremont and Frank Miller. These are both available on Amazon or in comic book stores. They're very good stories.
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But as far as I know, the Wally West Flash (who I believe is the one being considered for his own movie) can be shot, just like any of them can when they stand still. Wally can heal himself by vibrating, he can also minimize damage by vibrating or prevent attacks. My point is that Wally is too full of himself to wear body armor, he doesn't think he can be caught off guard.
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Wolverine works best as a mystery character. Yes he has had origins, but rarely have they added anything to him. If anything they have taken away. If they were going to do an origin story, I'd want it to have the Hulk in it. Wolverine vs Hulk is always good, although Singer's Wolverine may be a bit too watered down to tangle with ILM's Hulk as we last saw him.
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especially the Wally West version. But I understand what you mean, he is very confident in his abilities. It took him a long time to get out of the shadow of Barry Allen for me to think he ever would be full of himself. I really loved what Geoff Johns did with him, he's one of my favorite writers, I understand WHY they seemingly passed the torch to Bart in Infinite Crisis, but I wish they didn't have to. I tried the NEW flash run, but hated the art too much to continue.As far as Weapon X goes, I see your point,and can only say that I am the last person who could claim a vast knowledge of all things Wolverine, so for me, the idea of seeing that part of his life, is interesting, but I am by no means a hard core Wolverine fan, I know him well enough from X-men, but not his Exploits.I officially leave the decisions in the hands of the fans that love him...I dig Wolvie, but my favorite version of him is the Cigar chomping, brown and gold suited one, that didn't completely get along with his teamates, and had something going with Storm.
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THAT WOULD KICK SO MUCH ASS!!! One of my favorite comics of all time, I can't remember the issue # ,but it was the Mcfarlane drawn Issue of Wolverine, with the reflection of Hulk in Wolvies claws on the cover.Man they mauled each other. I think, Hugh could bring the right touch to Wolvie, if he needed to to get that berzerker rage going to fight the Hulk. Man that would be awesome. Too bad it probably won't happen.
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I'm pretty sure that mcFarlane issue you're talking about is from a Peter David era Gray Hulk, not an issue of Wolverine. Wolverine's first appearance ever was also fighting the Hulk. I am a nerd.
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I just remember it being really violent and really cool. Gotta dig it out of the collection.
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more towards the animated version of him which is much more over the top than his comic book characterization. However, it does work to set the character apart and also give him a flaw. I mean, you're the fastest man alive and you're the first Flash to wear body armor? No way, man.
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That Storm as well (mohawk Storm). Think Halle will ever sport a mohawk? ;) But I get what you're saying. Logan for me became a very interesting character and I always hated it when he reverted to a one-note berzerker "I'm the best at what I do" a-hole, but I think that's just the romantic in me.
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If better appreciated and realised: could not Sabertooth be a better antagonist to Wolverine than the Hulk? I think so.
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for the sheer out and out rampagey violence of it all. How awesome would it be to see Wolverine slashing his way through ever regenerating Hulk skin. And having Wolvie bashed into nothingness only to regroup and heal and come back pissed. I see sabertooth as another Version of Wolverine, But Hulk is a creature all his own. A force of nature really. If I could have a fantasy Vs movie I think that would be it, with Spidey meets Superman next.
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is that as tough and as able to regenerate as Logan is he would still get clobbered. I actually quite enjoyed X3 far more than X1 in fact, and a billion times more than SR, but I'm not tied to the Dark Phoenix story so fucking it up doesn't make me cry the way it did to so many others. From the UK AG, and whoever said it is right it is a fucking pity that singer pissed away Sabretooth- because that should be the wolverine film
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just plain sucks, AG. He is completely wrong and was completely ruined by X1. If you competely remake him, it would be like a relaunch, but with the same actor playing the main character and probably from the same continuity? I'm sure they won't use the Hulk, but since the Hulk film actually got the green guy correct in the action scenes, it is nice to dream. I would lean towards Omega Red as the most interesting character around that hasn't been ruined by Singer or that guy everyone hates, but I don't get excited about Omega Red.
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We gotta remember that X1 was a proving ground guys. Fox Gave him little budget and little time. They didn't know that the Xmen, could be X2 good, you know? So NOT apologizing for singer, but as I am not a huge follower of Sabertooth, he didnt' bug me. To me,in X1, Storm was terrible, and the toad?? what the hell , that was lame. Sabretooth at least seemed like a threat. And you at least got the idea that they have met before. That there was a history between he and Wolverine. Nothing was set in stone, or soldified.Again, it's not like I have a love for the character either,but we gotta remeber before X1, we had Blade, which said things like this were possible, and before that we had Batman and Robin. X1 took the material seriously, and introduced us to the world of Xmen.YES he changed things, like the costumes, and some character likeness, but it's not like he put nipples on their costumes and gave them day-glo armor, right?
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Read his Wondercon comments and go to the Watchmen thread to see what's up at WB...
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Ha ha
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