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Awesome, nad-less Silver Surfer cover for Empire Magazine, courtesy of Weta!! Check it out!

Ahoy, squirts! Quint here with something pretty damn cool. "Owain" sent in a heads up last night about the cover for the upcoming April 2007 issue of UK's Empire magazine. They worked with Weta on KING KONG to get an exclusive cover that was so good they turned it into a one-sheet (the image of Kong holding Ann Darrow on the Empire State Building). This time, they got Weta to give them a Silver Surfer cover. Looks great! Now, let's just hope the rest of the movie doesn't suck as bad as the first one did. Enjoy!!!

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  • Feb. 22, 2007, 8:46 a.m. CST

    Yes. It's the Silver Surfer,

    by DerLanghaarige

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 8:49 a.m. CST


    by Datascream

    yeah..I went there.

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 8:51 a.m. CST


    by SantiagoAtez

    oh...mine wasn't nearly as clever. Well, this is my monthly post to a superhero movie talkback....reminding you that I hate the genre! Merry Christmas!

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 9 a.m. CST

    Empire: We Make One Sheets, So You Don't Have To

    by Scenester_Intern55

    man...Surfer looks great...thats really all I can say

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 9 a.m. CST

    What in the world is a "limited edition cover?"

    by Pound Sand

    Limited to the number they can sell?

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 9:03 a.m. CST

    Limited to the number they can sell..

    by Baron Karza

    Very funny Pound Sand, first chuckle of the morning.

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 9:05 a.m. CST

    Looks like the other 70 pictures of SS I've seen

    by Trazadone

    What's the big deal? We've already seen the long trailer featuring SS and numerous pictures. In fact, this picture seems subpar compared to the others.

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Limited edition?

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    What happens when they run out? I am not paying my hard-earned cash for a cover-less Empire magazine. Also, that's kind of dirty, like the mag is nude or something.

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 9:14 a.m. CST


    by Nucking Futs

    1. His eyes. shouldn't have pupils 2. Looks too much like the Robert Patrick Terminator 3. He's got a weird looking face. Just not how I picture his face from reading the comics over the years 4. he looks constipated. eat some Fiber!

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 9:14 a.m. CST

    What does David Lynch on Jedi mean?

    by Childe Roland

    I don't even know what the hell that means. It's right there on the cover, though. Are we to assume Dave finally got around to watching the Stormtrooper vs. teddy bear throwdown that signaled the beginning of the decline of a great American mythos? WHat's next? The Hollywood after-breakfast shit report? Oh...Surfman looks cool. Like Ghost Rider, this may be another Marvel Flick I give points to solely for visual ingenuity.

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 9:16 a.m. CST


    by Nucking Futs

    although I liked Mulholland Drive a LOT better.

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 9:16 a.m. CST


    by Franklin T Marmoset

    If SantiagoAtez can remind everyone he hates superhero films, then I demand my right to remind everyone that Fantastic Four is great.<p>Fatastic Four is great, by the way.

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 9:19 a.m. CST

    Lynch on Jedi

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    I believe he was considered as a director for Return Of The Jedi, which is at the top of my list of films I wish they had made. Just like Cronenberg's Total Recall. Not Stallone's Beverley Hills Cop, though. That would have been shit.

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 9:21 a.m. CST

    I HATE Empire magazine

    by brock landers baby

    Don't buy it anymore.

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 9:22 a.m. CST

    Nucking - you got to be kidding me

    by just pillow talk

    He looks like the Surfer. So what if he has pupils. And Robert Patrick was Terminator 2.

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 9:31 a.m. CST

    nah, Lynch would have screwed up the world

    by just pillow talk

    as we know it. We would have had THREE complete geek masterpieces to watch over and over again. Imagine, no griping (well, a lot less) and who knows what would have happened with the prequels. Would they have been made sooner? Not at all? Would sequels have been made? What would the impact have been on other filmakers if Lucas continued rolling out quality entertainment? Scary...

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 9:36 a.m. CST

    That crazy David Lynch

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    You know he would have let Luke fuck Leia, whether she was his sister or not. Also, when Luke took Vader's helmet off, a dancing midget would have been inside. These things would have happened after the trippy moment in the middle of the film when Han Solo re-experienced the first two films from Chewbaccas's point of view.

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 9:39 a.m. CST



    And how about them TESTICLES COSMIC!

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 9:43 a.m. CST

    Kirby crackle!

    by Boondock Devil

    Could there just be a hint of the Kirby crackle around his right hand too? On a side note... it's been nearly 30 years now. There will never be a sci-fi movie scarier than Alien and I'm really thinking that Sunshine won't be that movie either.

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 9:44 a.m. CST

    SIENNA MILLER ON SEX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by dr.bulber


  • Feb. 22, 2007, 10:06 a.m. CST

    Too Silver

    by jimbojones123

    Too Funny!

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 10:18 a.m. CST

    Let me know what Lynch says

    by INWOsuxRED

    thats really the only interesting thing on the cover. In theory I would love to know where Lynch would have gone, but I still think Lucas would have had the story pretty much in place, as well as the ewok suits. With so much locked in place, I don't see a much different movie coming out. The things that are great about Jedi could easily be screwed up, the things that aren't great about Jedi are pretty much locked into place and don't have much wiggle room.

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Do Americans get Empire?

    by danowen

    Empire and Total Film get a lot of plugs on AICN. I've always wondered if these UK magazines get a big viewership overseas? Some of the reviews will be a month or so behind the US mag's equivalents, and there's lots of British lingo in there. Just wondered. As a sidenote, I tried reading some US equivalents like Premiere in the 90s and found them to be hideously unreadable and badly formatted. IMO, the UK know how to do magazines -- just look at how well the likes of FHM and Maxim has done.

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 10:30 a.m. CST

    UK Empire is the shizzle, tbf..

    by Lemming

    Don't know if you guys across the pond have an equivilent. Apart from here, obviously.

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 10:34 a.m. CST

    As ong as Hollywood is "reimagining" everything..

    by finky089

    let's see a "re-imagined" Star Wars by Lynch or Cronenberg or hell, even Tom Shadyac (sorta kidding there). Not as whole movies, per say, but I'm thinking for a TV format. It would be interesting to have "guest directors" pick 15-30 minutes from the movies to "re-make" in their own mold. The general plot still intact, but the rest could be modified to their own vision. <p> And each week would be one or two different directors' stuff. I'd be more interested in seeing this than further expanding the SW world in serial format. Maybe in 1986 I'd have loved to see a SW serial TV program, but having seen what GL did with the prequels, my faith has been shaken.

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 10:35 a.m. CST

    As "LONG" as Hollywood....

    by finky089

    talk about blowing the intergrity of your post because of one stinkin little letter....

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Can't see the "rise" of the Silver Surfer

    by ETI

    Get it? The RISE? It's like a euphemism for a boner. Hee-hee! I'm so naughty. :-)

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 10:41 a.m. CST

    You know Lynch would had fun with the Sarlaac

    by finky089

    just imagine, Han would be about to fall in, he'd look down at that vulvic gaping hole in the sand and suddenly, as hs vision started to return he'd see: Leia's face beckoning him to "come to her". Then Lando would get jealous, pull Han away and make out with a tentacle. Leia would begin to "sympathize with her captors" and start getting the hots for the Rancor keeper who would ultimately kill Jabba and make off with his "new bride", Leia.

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 10:41 a.m. CST


    by Frank Duckett

    David Lynch on nads, what? I just woke up, what's going on- huh?

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 10:48 a.m. CST

    There are two types of Empire Covers

    by emeraldboy

    Ordinary covers and limited editions. LImited edition covers are specially designed with a 3d effect.They are limited due to the fact they are expensive to make. They have done this with Spiderman and Superman returns. I have been buying Empire for years. They give superman returns 5 stars and said that the movie soared. they gave POTC Dead mans chest 3 stars and the critic got his arse kicked six ways till sunday by one irate empire reader. I enjoyed POTC alot and will be there on opening day for POTC 3.

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 10:49 a.m. CST

    I thought that was part of the SE version

    by just pillow talk

    or was that just my DVD copy?<p>Rancor keeper needs some sympathy loving, nothing wrong with that.

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 10:52 a.m. CST

    well, what the surfer did do

    by just pillow talk

    was bring you to places in the universe that the 'usual' heroes wouldn't. He was a bad ass in terms of his power, and it was great to see him tear into fleets of Kree/Krull starships.

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 11:18 a.m. CST


    by CaptDanielRoe

    The Surfer is cool because he is the henchman of Galactus and he is not predisposed to be a hero. His heroic act was in choosing to serve Galactus in exchange for his homeworld. That was supposed to be it for him. Of course it's much more heroic, it completes his heroism, for him to then turn on Galactus to protect the earth. It's a great theme and a big deal.

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Kids these days...

    by half vader

    Yackbacker and Childe Roland, I really thought you were both older - so I was surprised you didn't know about the Lynch/Jedi thing. Thought that one was common knowledge. I do like to imagine an alternate universe where he did Jedi but I guess he went back to (one of) the source (s) and did Dune instead. Which is weird but it sure looked fantastic and had atmosphere to spare. Besides which they did so much internal monologue in that book that voiceovers are pretty much the only way to acheive it and come up short in films like this. He did as good a job (never mind the too-short running time) as anyone could of the book I reckon. Man, what if he had actually directed the other two like he was supposed to? Which reminds me I must pull out that extended/disowned version... I reckon Jedi Lynch woulda had Luke/Paul (who are the same guy, figuratively speaking) freak out and swap their similar but different universes. Then at the end time/space would fold back on itself like Lost Highway. The Jawas would turn out to be the little man in the red room. "Where we're from, the birds sing a pretty song. Utinni!"

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 11:30 a.m. CST

    BTW that was a compliment

    by half vader

    that I thought you were both older.

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 11:32 a.m. CST

    Lynch Would Have Rocked On Jedi

    by CaptDanielRoe

    It would have been the magic combination, like Tim Burton on Batman (with strong, involved producers), but much better. You know, because Lynch is better than Burton who despite trying far harder than Lynch ever would for commercialism, fails to deliver commercial viability really. Lucas basically directed all the Star Wars movies from a distance and it would have been no different on Jedi with Lynch. As on Empire, the film would have had weird and dark undercurrents, rather than the dorky aspects it did have. Imagine Ewoks that actually held some interest; I know it's hard to do but try. Think "furry elephant men."

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Id always believed Spielberg was in line to direct Jedi

    by BendersShinyAss

    Woah, can you imagine Lynch's take on jedi? Not sure how well he'd handle the action, but he'd certainly make the emperor some sort of frickin evil. I'd assume the ewoks would have ben somewhat less cuddly. That could have actually worked. Richard Marquand might as well have been Richard Lester as far as I'm concerned.

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 11:50 a.m. CST

    My Point Above Being That Some Directors

    by CaptDanielRoe

    Really need to be teamed with producers whom they may hate, and who they may feel milk them like cows but for pablum and not the artistic elixir they imagine they might otherwise ferment.... But that they need that. Need it not only artistically but in terms of logistics, helping them when they might be soft in that area and freeing their creativity and focus for other things. I don't know if Lynch has ever had that type of arrangement although a case could be made that Mark Frost on Twin Peaks, which was great when it was good, is the closest he got. Or has gotten. Because the man isn't dead yet even if it seems he has gone off a deep cliff into self-servitude. Nothing wrong with that, except for those of us who want to be... Well, whatever, if not exactly or exclusively entertained.

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 11:54 a.m. CST

    Lynch's Take On Luke and Leia

    by CaptDanielRoe

    Even better. As it was, it was just kind of like, well, she's my sister, move on. But Lynch could have milked it. Just imagine part of Luke's temptation by the Emperor, albeit unspoken, being the whole Leia angle. As it was, Hammill gave a respectable performance, what with the car accident injuries and all, but the whole priestly look he had in the film, and his Thorn Birds pained expressions, didn't connect properly in the narrative to miss dope fiend in the metal bikini.

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 12:28 p.m. CST

    Looks good, but....

    by Hail

    he doesn't look real...He looks too GGI...To much like animation, or like he's from the pages of a comice book...not the frames of a film...

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 12:35 p.m. CST

    luke & leia

    by BendersShinyAss

    From the brother sister relationships I've known of, i wouldn't be surprised if luke did get cut up a bit over the revelation that leia was his sister. There should have been some main character deaths in Jedi. so much for the silver surfer, eh?

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 12:36 p.m. CST


    by BendersShinyAss

    i reckon Silly surfer looks like burned Anakin

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 1:07 p.m. CST

    You could see the cuff of his tights by his ankle! LAME

    by Darth Bauer

    Nice job WETA.

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Wouldn't have mattered if Lynch directed Jedi...

    by amrisharmpit

    Lucas still called the shots and still would have wanted the same movie we got. Lynch would have HATED working with him and probably quit soon after.

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 1:42 p.m. CST

    Please no SS backstory in this flick.

    by Det. John Kimble

    Save it for a SS standalone movie.

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Ewoks are Lucas' Viet Cong

    by Det. John Kimble

    See, Jedi is actually a commentary on the US involvement in Vietnam, with the scrappy Ewoks as the 'men in the black pajamas' taking out the high tech US military with their booby traps, flying logs and so on. Worthy fuckin' adversary Dude. Eyeball to eyeball.

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 1:51 p.m. CST

    Lucas probably said that for the benefit of all

    by just pillow talk

    the fans who know Empire was the best, and know it was the best BECAUSE he didn't direct it.<p>Det.John Kimble, I don't think they'll do much backstory on the Surfer but I could be completely wrong.

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 1:58 p.m. CST

    If Superman wasn't an alien pussy he would be SS

    by chien_sale

    Superman leaves his planet with his tail between his legs and nobody cares right. I'm gonna put spandex on and amuses myself on ANOTHER planet. But Silver Surfer stands up to a God, and sacrifices himself to save his planet from destruction! And then he saves Earth from the same faith and gives the finger to that God! When did Superman ever do that? Supe' is a magor pussy.

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 2:05 p.m. CST

    Coming in a bit late here but

    by thestrongestone

    Lucas did ask Lynch to direct jedi. Lynch didn't understand why George didnt just direct it himself since he had already worked it all out including all the cutesy little ewoks. hh

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 2:10 p.m. CST

    Lynch didn't make Jedi..

    by skimn

    ...but he did make ( and made us slog through )...DUNE....DUNE!!! With music by TOTO......TOTO!!

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Oh and isn't Surfer

    by skimn

    to be modeled after Doug Jones..?

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 3:08 p.m. CST

    It...ummm... looks like...

    by Kid Z

    ... a drawing of a silver-painted dude. Not impressed, Harry!

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 3:09 p.m. CST

    Silver Surfer's backstory is irrelevant

    by ETI

    Kirby wrote him as Galactus' herald who had his cosmic power stripped when he defied G and stood up for the planet Earth, PERIOD. The stuff about him saving his home planet and pledging his service to G was written long after the fact, and after Kirby left Marvel.

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 3:25 p.m. CST

    I Know ETI...

    by CaptDanielRoe

    The Surfer's backstory, including Shalla Bal et al., is irrelevant if you are a fan of Kirby comics exclusive of Marvel Comics. I on the other hand don't think it is any more irrelevant than X-Men stories after Stan and Jack were off that book. I don't even really like Kirby all that much although I recognize the awesomeness of his concepts, I think others have stood on his shoulders and achieved more as a result.

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 4:04 p.m. CST

    it's robert patrick!

    by reckni

    actually does look like the surfer, not bad, hope he's in most of the movie.

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 4:18 p.m. CST


    by TheUglyBaby


  • Feb. 22, 2007, 4:28 p.m. CST

    Yule Brenner GOTTA EAT!!!!

    by LargoJr

    I'm dead now, don't smoke or surf naked....

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 5:49 p.m. CST

    Vader cover was better

    by livrule

    When you opened it you could hear him!!!!!! Then the batteries ran low and I was sad.

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 6:41 p.m. CST

    Poor guy's


    hung like a Fox exec.

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 6:58 p.m. CST


    by livrule

    Don't be sad ... When I flip open the cover now I just make the noise myself.

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 8:33 p.m. CST

    Yack and Bender's

    by half vader

    Yeah there'd probably be a bit of Robert Blake type creepiness in the Emp. Woulda been great. He probably woulda seen the sense in letting Ford have his way with Han dying too. <p> I wouldn't have minded if Lynch hadda fucked with it a bit as Jedi repeats or re-uses so much from Ep.4 (even bits he originally threw out like the Wookiee battle). Don't get me wrong I love Empire and (unfucked with) SW is still my fave movie (8 when I saw first saw it) but even as a kid Jedi was a bit of a letdown.

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 8:45 p.m. CST

    Needs. More. Balls.

    by TallBoy66

    Thats my review of F42

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 9:37 p.m. CST

    He looks like a cartoon unlike he T-1000 who looks real

    by Power_Girl

    There I said it...The thirteen year old film has a better looking metallic guy.

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 9:43 p.m. CST

    Check out this revised close-up...


    no pupils:

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 9:45 p.m. CST

    Link doesn't work..


    go to and check out the interactive issue.

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 9:53 p.m. CST

    A Lynch-helmed JEDI haunts my dreams, too

    by deathbird

    It's worse for me, as I consider Episode VI the nadir of the saga (seriously, I think it makes The Phantom Menace look like Pan's Labyrinth by comparison). It was a train wreck worse than any EU novel. I just know that in some alternate universe, there's a Gary Kurtz produced/David Lynch directed Jedi--and I need to get there. 'Cause the one we have-- where Luke enters the film harboring a soft spot for Daddy; where Leia, the friggin' daughter of Darth Vader, is left on Endor with the Care Bears--just ain't cutting it.

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 10:29 p.m. CST

    The Surfer does look unoriginal after Terminator 2

    by Rupee88

    We already saw the big silver man in T2. Obviously, The SS was created first in comics, but he just isn't impressive in the movie because we've been there, done that. Oh well, FF was dumb and marginally entertaining and I suppose FF2 will be the same.

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 11:12 p.m. CST



    The T-1000 only looked like pure liquid metal for about 10 seconds after the big rig exploded against the overpass. And it was really stiff CGI. Come on we're talking 15 years in the advancement of SFX. Have faith people.

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 11:54 p.m. CST


    by INWOsuxRED

    everyone knows the x-men stories that are irrelevant are the ones not done by Claremont.

  • Feb. 23, 2007, 12:03 a.m. CST

    Why the hate for Jedi?

    by bender7

    I admit Empire whoops it, but I still like it. Ewoks or not. The final space battle was ahead of it's time and pretty much the inspiration for all future space battle type scenes. Plus I love all the Luke/Darth/Emperor stuff. Lynch as director would have been pretty interesting though

  • Feb. 23, 2007, 12:17 a.m. CST

    He Needs Nads, Doesn't He?

    by Professor Krapp

    Didn't he have a silver girlfriend in the comics. Shalabell or something like that? Pardon the Professor's ignorance if that spelling is wrong. I'm too stoned to do the research. So much for higher education.

  • Feb. 23, 2007, 12:42 a.m. CST

    The Luke/Vader/Palpatine scenes don't impress me

    by deathbird

    The Last Temptation of Luke just isn't as interesting as it should be: Why did the Lucas/Kasdan script jettison Vader's ESB imperial ambitions? Rather than being the Emperor's lap-dog, shouldn't Vader be all fired up to off the Old Man at this juncture (what's with that "It is too late for me, son" crap)? Shouldn't Padme be brought back into this dynamic, since Vader still harbors the belief that he killed her (thereby providing a more palatable impetus for Luke's flirtation with the Dark Side...namely revenge)? And on that note, shouldn't Palpatine be employing a lure that's at least as soul-wrenching as those with which he seduced Anakin? "Give into your hate" gets old after ten minutes.

  • Feb. 23, 2007, 1:04 a.m. CST

    When does The Dark Knight come out?

    by werideatdusk

    Can I hear a 'yawn'?

  • Feb. 23, 2007, 2:49 a.m. CST


    by Fortunesfool

    Empire sucks. The last time I read it they voted Braveheart as the worst Best Film winner?????Did they not see Chicago? Driving Miss Daisy? Hello. Also that's one of the most uninspired images of the Silver Surfer i've ever seen and I don't give a shit about the Silver Surfer. Total Film is the only good film magazine in the Uk.

  • Feb. 23, 2007, 5:16 a.m. CST

    "lando yelling yeee haahh"

    by El Borak

    "the random black guy yelling 'she's gonna blow!!!" ha! ha!

  • Feb. 23, 2007, 5:18 a.m. CST

    'kay, couple of things...

    by Mr Jonse

    Empire rocks. Total Film, whilst alright, doesn't. The Silver Surfer doesn't look like T-1000, T-1000 looked like the Silver Surfer. What fucking texture did you expect them to use on him? Suede? Return of the Jedi is a modern classic. "WHAAAH!IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN DARKER! HAN SOLO SHOULD'VE DIED!", bullshit. IV-V-VI. Setup-complication-resolution. It's an amazing film. And anyone who says it wasn't their favourite as a kid is [drumroll]... lying. In a bad mood today...

  • Feb. 23, 2007, 5:46 a.m. CST

    Suede Surfer!

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    I like that idea, Mr Jonse. Suede Surfer has to keep moving, because if he stands still for too long people make all kinds of patterns in his skin by brushing his fibres in different directions. Also, the poor bugger can't go out in the rain or he'll turn green. Suede Surfer is dry clean only!

  • Feb. 23, 2007, 5:51 a.m. CST

    That cover is cool

    by Venkie007

    Change the corner animation already! It's almost March!

  • Feb. 23, 2007, 5:50 a.m. CST

    Don't mess with the Suede Surfer

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    His partners in fabric-related super-villainy, Velvet Rollerblader and PolyCotton Blend Skateboarder, always have his back!

  • Feb. 23, 2007, 6:16 a.m. CST

    The silver surfer glows at night?

    by Reelheed

    does he turn off if you clap your hands? wtf?

  • Feb. 23, 2007, 7:40 a.m. CST

    You are dead right Mr Jonse

    by Zino

    ROTJ was always my favourite as a kid - all that dark stuff on Degobah in Empire was a bit slow for me at the time. ROTJ was one big war and I loved it. Jedi still stands up as a good movie, though not a patch on the other two. Deathbird said it right above - after Vader reveals his ambitions to overthrow the Emperor in Empire, you really feel that it's setting up a kick-ass power struggle for the third film. But then it's all forgotten and Vader does nothing as the Emperor attempts to recruit his replacement RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM! Give me the badass Vader from Empire, not this fool.

  • Feb. 23, 2007, 8:10 a.m. CST

    Hi Zino, yeah I know what you mean...

    by Mr Jonse

    I always thought that scene in Empire was Vader's desperation to get out from under the Emperor dominance, more than him actually wanting to rule on his own. Always seemed to me like there was a scene missing where the Emperor smacked Vader down for plotting against him between Empire and Jedi, and that's why he was back to being so subservient. No matter how badass Vader was, he was always Palpatines bitch.

  • Feb. 23, 2007, 8:17 a.m. CST

    see, you boys hit on the head

    by just pillow talk

    As a kid, Jedi kicked ass, but now that you are older you realize Empire is the best. Though as a kid, I always loved the Hoth scene the best.<p>I tend to think that Vader did want to rule the galaxy as "father and son", though more so Luke as his little bitch. What the prequels did try to establish (disregarding its success or not) was Anakin's desire for power, so it would make sense that he would finally want complete power over the galaxy.<p>I would think that he got a serious beatdown from the Emperor in between the two movies. Because no mater what, Vader was no Mace...

  • Feb. 23, 2007, 8:18 a.m. CST

    hit IT on the head

    by just pillow talk


  • Feb. 23, 2007, 8:56 a.m. CST

    He's like the wind, through my Nads

    by boba_rob

    Sing it Patrick Swayze!

  • Feb. 23, 2007, 10:20 a.m. CST

    yes, especially Lando's co-pilot

    by just pillow talk

    He still makes me laugh...

  • Feb. 23, 2007, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Semi-Off Topic, but still Comic Related...

    by Abin Sur

    Just read on CHUD, which was referencing Variety, that Warner Bros. has hired two screenwriters to pen a Justice League movie! However, the screenwriters are Kieran and Michele Mulroney, and the only thing I know about them is that Kieran is Dermot Mulroney's brother, and they did some re-writes on "Mr. and Mrs. Smith." Should I look forward to this, or fashion myself a noose?

  • Feb. 23, 2007, 10:36 a.m. CST


    by half vader

    is EXACTLY why Han should have died. If you ignore the special edition fuckup where he didn't shoot first (which robbed him of his gunslinger characterisation and half his arc, not to mention making tossing the coins inane), then you have a character that goes from cocksure, sarcastic and careless/selfish (with chinks in the armour, naturally) that progresses to maturity and selflessness in the second act/film, and then in the third act/film you get... what? His character goes absolutely nowhere. Ford was right. Having him die progresses the character arc to its logical conclusion - complete selflessness in sacrifice for his friends and the good of all. The way it is he just becomes more emasculated as he goes on. <p> Oh and as for resolution, Lucas should have learned from the mistakes he made in Jedi with his beloved intercutting. In Star Wars he basically cuts between two streams, and the tension of the helpless rebels at home and the action of the space stuff ratchet each other up until the focus becomes (literally) narrower building to the climax. Beautiful. In Jedi he had the space battle again, and the throneroom scene (that's some of the best music ever in that bit), all very tense, Pussy Vader notwithstanding. They build each other up. Great. Then Lucas completely destroys the mood/tone/momentum/tension whatever by cutting to the teddy bears and their hijinks. Cuts the dramatic stuff down like a knife and you have this two steps forward one step back dynamic. It's like a textbook example of what NOT to do. Sure, there's a lot that's really cool in Jedi but even though I couldn't articulate it (the climax stuff) as a kid, I still knew it was dissapointing. Conversely, even as an adult I know Empire is the best 'film' as in best made and the mechanics of it, but SW is still my fave. P.S. Can you imagine how unsettling some of those cantina (oops sorry Jabba's palace) aliens woulda been in a Lynch version? The thing on the ceiling with the tongue? That little fucker with the Elmo laugh Salacious Crumb? He'd be like that little-man. I'm sure there'd be a skinned-rabbit baby mewling in the background too. Ewwww! <p> Oh and "too silver" or terminatory, or something.

  • Feb. 23, 2007, 10:41 a.m. CST


    by The True Priapic

    Empire is a truly dreadful read.Opinion-free and serves only to consistantly suck the cocks of Lucas and Spielberg.If either of them even fucking fart they get 5 stars.A truly turgid read.Total Film is a glossier mag and generally seems to have some balls but their 50 greatest lines issue a while back quoted Vader as saying "No,Luke.I am your father."Let's be honest,how piss-poor is that?But I'd rather read TF or (God help us) Hotdog than make out that Empire is a good read.Christ,I'd rather read that rag Premiere.And that's about as attractive as eating Anna NIcole Smith's dead cunt!

  • Feb. 23, 2007, 10:45 a.m. CST

    While we're on this, what if Chan Wook Park had done

    by half vader

    Jedi? - SPOILERS for those who still haven't seen it - THEN you'd get some father/daughter or maybe brother/sister shenanigans! It'd fit in with Vader not recognising Leia in the first film too, neatly plugging that king-sized plothole!

  • Feb. 23, 2007, 10:48 a.m. CST

    to defend Vader

    by just pillow talk

    He had a really rough day chasing around those rebels to get those plans. And his helmet hadn't been 'buffed' in a long time, so he couldn't see clearly out of it. Plus he didn't have his morning coffee so he wasn't thinking straight.

  • Feb. 23, 2007, 11:09 a.m. CST

    I think the whole David Lynch thing sums up..

    by Mr Jonse

    ...the different ways in which people see Star Wars. I mean I love David Lynch as a film maker. I think the fact that someone that talented and crazy has got the power to make whatever he likes is fantastic, and I'll watch anything with his name on it. But I wouldn't *ever* want him within a *million miles* of Star Wars. SW to me is supposed to be pure, escapist, 'good guys win in the end', entertainment. There's enough severed limbs in there already without DL joining in. It's the same as the Han Solo surviving debate. Yeah, I take on board the point that he's underused in Jedi, but, honestly, how upset would you have been as a kid if he'd have died? It would've been fucking awful. ESB can end depressingly because it's the middle film in the series. Jedi is where it all comes right. Yoda and Vader dying is enough gravitas for me...

  • Feb. 23, 2007, 12:44 p.m. CST

    MrJonse: ROTS confirms Vader's ambitions

    by deathbird

    In a nice nod to Empire, Vader basically gave his wife the same diatribe ("You and I can rule the galaxy...make things the way we want them to be.") Clearly, this guy is hankering for a coup, and I'd like to know why this was thrown out the window in ROTJ. A mutual back-stabbing would have been great.

  • Feb. 23, 2007, 12:49 p.m. CST

    Im glad he didnt direct it

    by kilik777

    I like Lynch as well as the next person but his version of RTJ would have sucked ass!

  • Feb. 23, 2007, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Big whoop.

    by superninja

    There is nothing special about that cover.

  • Feb. 23, 2007, 7:05 p.m. CST


    by jjn1268019

    THIS WILL SUCK BALLS! I almost want to end it there but I gotta say if your a silver surfer fan...dude, get a girlfriend, but that wouldnt make much sense since you're gay. THIS WILL SUCK GAY BALLS!

  • Feb. 23, 2007, 7:18 p.m. CST

    Mr Jonse

    by half vader

    O.K. we disagree on the Han Solo arc thing, that's cool. But I do agree with you about Vader being a bitch! He started off as a little bitch, and finished up as one too (well obviously apart from that bit where he threw Palpy over the edge, but it's just like a little bitch to turn like that too). <p> The funny thing to me though has always been that I think Lucas forgot that he'd written Vader as a secondary character throughout the first film - he was also Tarkin's bitch. He does have the entrance, but from then on it's strictly only the muscle for Tarkin. It's Tarkin who communicates with the Emperor in that flick, not Vader (this is from memory, mind you). I think it's early Fett syndrome where the visual weight of the character and its success made everybody (including Lucas) think he was more than what is actually on the page/in the film. Of course this means I'm one of those that think Lucas' later assertions that he'd planned it all out specifically (being Luke's dad, although there is the 'dark father' loophole; the father & son arc, the Vader story then the Luke story, then being all about Vader in the end) pre-Empire is bollocks. This is also the reason Vader and Leia could hang around on the Imperial Senate and Vader have no idea she was his daughter, force or not. I don't think there's anything about the Emperor being involved in the force 'til Empire, either, so I don't think you know Vader has anything to do with Palpy 'til Tarkin carks it and Vader gets the promotion. This is all from memory, so I could be forgetting something. Don't get me wrong, I love it all, but over 30 years you do think about stupid stuff like that!