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Go For A Ride With The ZODIAC!! Clip Here!!

Merrick here...
We've been provided with a clip from David Fincher's ZODIAC, which opens March 2. I'm guessing the clip is about Kathleen Johns - who went on a harrowing, late night ride with the killer for several hours. Robogeek pointed out THIS ARTICLE in the New York Times. It's very interesting, and worth checking out. It talks about the film being shot straight to harddrive, and how Fincher would pretty much determine what takes he wanted to "save" as he went.
(Gyllenhaal) But sometimes we’d do a lot of takes, and he’d turn, and he would say, because he had a computer there” — the movie was shot digitally — “ ‘Delete the last 10 takes.’ And as an actor that’s very hard to hear.”
This trips me out...seems this would seriously undercut the amount of material to chose from in editing & give rise to potential misjudgment about what to throw out. Then again...he's David Fincher, and I'm not, so I'll just shut the hell up now. Here's the clip:
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  • Feb. 21, 2007, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Deleting Takes...

    by Abin Sur

    If Chris Nolan had had this, he could have retroactively gone back and deleted Katie Holmes from "Batman Begins."

  • Feb. 21, 2007, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Looks good

    by PhillipMarlowe

    I wish they had caught that bastard.

  • Feb. 21, 2007, 10 a.m. CST

    Actually very excited for this!

    by kinghenryVIII

    Fincher is a great director. Give this man more mainstream stuff so he can do what he does best - oh yeah, I, for one, loved Panic Room! Anyone else and that movie would have sucked. Start throwing stines now.

  • Feb. 21, 2007, 10:02 a.m. CST

    And by best - sorry - I mean put his own visual flair

    by kinghenryVIII

    in it and make it rock. From the lighting to the camera movies this guy is great at creating atmosphere - something many movies today can't get right. Love it!

  • Feb. 21, 2007, 10:02 a.m. CST

    And I ment stones (Panic Room), or, stines of beer.

    by kinghenryVIII

    Last post - promise.

  • Feb. 21, 2007, 10:09 a.m. CST

    Direct-to-digital...

    by The Gline

    Whenever I hear those words I always worry that the end result will be this blurry, smeary-looking movie, but the HD clips I've seen of the end result are anything but. I still think film is a medium unto itself (people didn't stop drawing pictures when cameras were invented), but end-to-end digital creates all these possibilities that weren't there before.

  • Feb. 21, 2007, 10:10 a.m. CST

    Imagine Stan Kubrick with this technology..,

    by Pound Sand

    The storage capacity of the hard drive would be at exabyte or zetabyte levels, and for EYES WIDE SHUT, each of hundreds of excruciatingly long and pointless takes of Nichole and Tom (badly) acting stoned would be there for the ages.

  • Feb. 21, 2007, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Or Cameron Crowe for that matter

    by Pound Sand

    37 takes of the hateful Led Zeppelin Stairway to Heaven listening scene from Almost Famous to watch again and again and again, and again, and again.

  • Feb. 21, 2007, 10:32 a.m. CST

    Deleting Takes

    by THE KNIGHT

    He definitely must know what performance he's looking for out of an actor...

  • Feb. 21, 2007, 10:34 a.m. CST

    Hmm, I'm surprised he'd wanna do that...

    by TheSeeker7

    After all, you know how many MILLIONS of feet of film he shot for FIGHT CLUB? Okay I don't remember the exact #, but I know it was a shyte load.

  • Feb. 21, 2007, 10:42 a.m. CST

    kinghenry

    by skimn

    I'm with you. I actually liked Panic Room, he did a great job with a rather simple premise. Much better than Foster's Flightplan.

  • Feb. 21, 2007, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Panic Room wasn't bad...

    by Abin Sur

    I do remember being intently focused on Jodie's bosom through most of the movie...I believe she was a couple months pregnant at the time of filming, and they looked SO nice...

  • Feb. 21, 2007, 10:53 a.m. CST

    All Fincher has to do is restore from his Recycle Bin

    by SpyGuy

    If he actually emptied the bin, though, there goes all those deleted scenes for the DVD special edition.

  • Feb. 21, 2007, 11:08 a.m. CST

    We would know better

    by SPECTRE007

    I guess a couple of people sitting around their computers at work would know better than the director on set as to what's good and bad footage. And maybe he shot millions of feet for Fight Club because 900,000 of it was no good.

  • Feb. 21, 2007, 11:18 a.m. CST

    TOO--FREAKING--FUNNY

    by Gunslinger1919

    He's got such a good eye. Just from that quick scene you get the time period and everything. I mean...only in the 70s would they have said "Didn't know you had a baby..." then in the next shot show the mom lighting a cigarette. --G

  • Feb. 21, 2007, 11:21 a.m. CST

    BULLSHIT

    by GORGUTS

    I've read the books, and I honestly believe that she was lying about this encounter with the Zodiac.

  • Feb. 21, 2007, 11:28 a.m. CST

    Yeah, you were right to shut up then.

    by s00p3rm4n

    It has nothing to do with deleting "good" takes. It has to do with deleting the misfires, the warm-ups, the clearly bad things. You can't just un-develop thousands of MILES of film. I went to the panel were the editors and a producer of this explained the technology. The environmental impact alone is worth the switch. And the movie looks positively sensational. (P.S. The movie Zodiac itself is good. Long, and deliberate, which will get on some nerves. But damn good.)

  • Feb. 21, 2007, 11:53 a.m. CST

    Fincher on the editing of Zodiac

    by Chindogu

    Found this the other day and thought it very interesting. Even if it is just a commercial. http://tinyurl.com/yt7f3h

  • Feb. 21, 2007, 12:22 p.m. CST

    night environment

    by justmyluck

    Bet the night exteriors in the driving shots are totally CGI (gas station, distant lights, passing fence, etc.).

  • Feb. 21, 2007, 12:42 p.m. CST

    I like Fincher's work

    by Turd Furgusen

    I'm looking forward to this movie. <p> He may shoot the shit out of a scene, but he gets results.<p> I know he is a perfectionist, but I wonder if he does multiple takes to wear down the actors so he can "mold" the scene as it were. <p> I really like the article too. I was in New Orleans and got to watch him film some outside shots. (From a distance, of course.) The guy guarding the entrance to the alley was huge and I didn't want to press my luck.

  • Feb. 21, 2007, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Actually I am looking forward to this movie

    by mrfan

    Doesn't look bad at all.

  • Feb. 21, 2007, 12:54 p.m. CST

    Despite what many think

    by ewokstew

    Alien3 is a small gem, a rough one, but still a gem. Re-do those horrible process shots the now extinct Boss Effects did and call it good.

  • Feb. 21, 2007, 1:20 p.m. CST

    FINCHER'S GONE TO CRAP...

    by Nucking Futs

    Seven was excellent. The Game was very underrated and was a great movie. Fight Club was the pinnacle of Fincher's work. Panic Room BLEW, although I liked Jared Leto's character in it. Zodiac looks horrible, and his next movie- The Curious Case of Benjamin Button, about the guy aging backwards, sounds retarded. QUIT WHILE YOU'RE AHEAD FINCHER!

  • Feb. 21, 2007, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Fincher needs a bigger hard drive

    by Rupee88

    That does sound crazy now that storage has become so cheap. Maybe they didn't have enough blank digital tapes on hand...it just sounds dumb though.

  • Feb. 21, 2007, 2 p.m. CST

    BTW, Panic Room did suck

    by Rupee88

    But I thought Fight Club was unremarkable too, so what do I know? Se7en was good, but too gory and depressing for me to really "like". But Panic Room sucked because of flaws in the story and internal logic..can't esecape those.

  • Feb. 21, 2007, 4:51 p.m. CST

    He's Fincher and you're not...so that means??

    by LHombreSiniestro

    .....you're not some over-praised music video director. I jive, Fincher's cool in my book. I can't wait for ZODIAC, I'm confident it will own.

  • Feb. 21, 2007, 7:02 p.m. CST

    The Killer is Spacey

    by Kizeesh

    Just a thought. His voice is in the trailer, maybe he's cameoing as John Doe from Se7en's dad?

  • Feb. 21, 2007, 7:17 p.m. CST

    Does it have Gwynneth Paltrow's head in a box?

    by Happyfat73

    Every film should have Gwynneth Paltrow's head in a box.

  • Feb. 21, 2007, 8:47 p.m. CST

    Saving takes=print it

    by Bronx Cheer

    <p>A little lesson for y'all...when a director likes a take, he will request that it gets printed, the film equivalent of saving a digital take. If you think it's typical to haul every foot of shot film into the editing room, you don't know how films are made. A good director is prepared and knows when he has it in the can. Otherwise, you're just a hack who cranks a boatload of film and prays there's something in the can to work with.</p> <p>As for brobdingnag, a film about the Zodiac Killer could be telling the story of what that community experienced. Hollywood Liberals...Hollywood Liberals...get a new freakin' song, dildonagian. Now excuse me...I need to go hug a tree.</p>

  • Feb. 21, 2007, 11:47 p.m. CST

    Didn't I see this movie already?!?

    by slicer

    This movies been done already! http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0371739/ How different can it be?!

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 2:28 a.m. CST

    Can you imagine if directors printed every single take?

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Those poor buggers would take three years to edit every film.<p>I'm still looking forward to this one, but that was an odd clip to show.

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 8:03 p.m. CST

    AshokO - "I love seeing Muslims get killed"

    by half vader

    Yeah, they're all the same aren't they? Holy fuck man!

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 8:25 p.m. CST

    Deletion.

    by zurge

    Hey, judging from the article, it seems all takes go to a hardrive. Those of us that edit digitaly, we know that one can always delete takes that are in the 'storyboard' or 'project' without loosing them all together. Jake should know this, and so should you aintitcool crowd. >_<

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 9:45 p.m. CST

    People are passing judgement on deleting/not printing

    by half vader

    takes? Settle down. He knows what he's doing, a s a few have said. He was doing the same sort of extra non-linear stuff like time shifting and splicing different takes from different actors (when he had to) in the same scene years ago, same as Lucas. You just never heard Fincher crowing about it. He knows what to do. Thanks Bronx. Rupee, sigh.

  • Feb. 22, 2007, 9:54 p.m. CST

    Yep Murch is great

    by half vader

    Which is why I found the bizarre editing/pacing of the cuts in Cold Mountain or whatever it was called so out-of-character. Did the director lean on him? <p> One of my favourite things of his is the way he'd put a little army man or whatever next to the monitor/screen so he wouldn't lose the sense of the true size of a movie screen when editing on something a few inches wide. I know that's becoming redundant now with big plasmas and all but I still use it in a way by drawing a stick figure outside the frame of my boards. It really helps you unconsciously keep things in perspective.