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Rumor Of The Week: Have They Cast Indiana Jones Jr?!
Normally, I would stay out of this.
I’m not excited about the prospect of INDIANA JONES AND THE FOURTH ADVENTURE or whatever ridiculous awkward temporary title Paramount is using for the film at the moment. To be honest, I never saw the point in continuing to make Indy movies. Sure, I know... it’s all about the money. But even though I’m not a huge LAST CRUSADE fan, I do love the last shot, and I thought it was a fitting end to the series.
In the years since, we’ve heard so many rumors about this movie that it’s become easier just to tune them out. One of the more persistent kinds of rumor is “Guess who will be playing Indy’s brother/sister/son/daughter/random family member,” something that’s always made me nervous. It’s such a desperate move to start inventing family members for Indy, something that smacks of “Cousin Oliver” syndrome. When you’re in trouble and trying to reinvigorate something, just add some cute kids to the family!
Or don’t. Please.
I’ve read one of the recent version of INDY 4, and there were no new family members added. That pleased me greatly. However, they’ve thrown that version out now, and whatever David Koepp’s done, he’s made the people over at Dreamworks very, very happy. And now that they’re getting close to production, I’ve heard a persistent rumor, a new version of that old familiar. The thing is, I’m hearing this from some pretty reliable places.
So here we go again.
Shia La Beouf will play the son of Indiana Jones.
The thing is, we know Spielberg loves La Beouf right now. DISTURBIA became a pet project for The Beard, and it evidently came out well. TRANSFORMERS is a big deal for the company, and a lot of the weight of that falls squarely on the shoulders of Shia. So as much as I pray that there’s no Indy Jr., I’m starting to think that this may in fact be true.
I know adventure has a name. But does it really have to have a son? Really?
Only time will tell.
Drew McWeeny, Los Angeles
Drew McWeeny, Los Angeles
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I was hoping they'd go with Maggie Gyllenhaal...
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Even Dakota Fanning looks more manly and tough than this kid!
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Feb. 18, 2007, 3:28 p.m. CST
LeBouf swings from the whip for the first time and says
by TylerDurden3395
"Yipee!"
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Indiana Jones and the horribly designed robots from outerspace that were really here all along in the ground! or just go the Die Hard route and just call it transindie 5.0
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Never heard o' the guy. That said...PLEASE, PLEASE no son! Just bring back Short Round and call it a day
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Even stevens, Disney Channel, he can be pretty funny sometimes though.
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He's a decent young actor, but really! I-Robot, Constantine, and now Transformers (I know I haven't seen it). But he seems to play the same kid in every movie and I have yet to see him really display some acting skills. Indiana's son? To me - he'll just be that kid from I-Robot, or Constantine or whatever the last blockbuster they shoved him into. Sheesh.
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..at least not one following in his footsteps.....
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get a real name.
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...but wouldn't it be more interesting, given Indy's character, to give him a DAUGHTER?
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and havent posted a review? man...you just can't tease like that!
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...stop dragging down movies that I want to be good?<p> Answer: When studios stop thinking that people want to see his Jimmy-Olsen-esque presence in every adventure movie they put out. Seriously, I try not to have anything against him, but he played like the exact same character in both iRobot and Constantine, and he was annoying as piss in both. He's not right for that kind of part. He's just not. I don't care what you think, he's not lovable. And even if he was, lovable sure isn't what we're looking for in those roles. Being an action-hero sidekick you don't want to murder is a very, very, tricky thing, and someone as intrinsically murderable as La Beouf shouldn't be trying it.
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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
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He shoudn't have a son. Bringing in a son brings down any franchise. I hate where they have sequels and the son is some cutesey kid who helps out his father. Shia La Beouf is okay though. The son is a terrible idea in general, but Shia may be someone who can play it right. I hope this isnt true though.
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He shoudn't have a son. Bringing in a son brings down any franchise. I hate where they have sequels and the son is some cutesey kid who helps out his father. Shia La Beouf is okay though. The son is a terrible idea in general, but Shia may be someone who can play it right. I hope this isnt true though.
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You've been outed!
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"you can retroactively damage a product by adding to it...look at Alien Vs Predator....whoever won, we left."
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All film series inevitably go downhill with the third entry, and then go to shit with the fourth. Casting Shia LaBeouf as Indiana Jones son just REEKS of the kind of move that will ensure a horrible fourth entry.
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If you have read the Darabont script (you know, the one Spielberg said is the BEST SCRIPT HE'S READ SINCE RAIDERS), and are holding out on us...I will be very, very upset.
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son who wouldn't JUST GO AWAY. I realise how lame that was; forgive me.
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It's like Thomas Harris destroying Hannibal Lecter so he doesn't have to go there again: Lucas seems determined to fuck all his properties and the original fans that put him where he is today. Granted, that's his right, but fucking hell, it blows to watch it happen. Yeah, I know this is probably a 50/50 decision with Spielberg, but if it starts another "George Lucas raped my childhood" thread I'm all for it...
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Feb. 18, 2007, 3:53 p.m. CST
The movie is two years away and I'm already sick of it.
by Flim Springfield
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indiana jones and the kid. What is it with all the kids?????
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Popular George Lucas franchise returns after a long absence now with 'cute', 'hip' kid-friendly character. See ya on cable, Indy.
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And so forth.
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(SARCASTIC) C'mon how AWESOME would it be if young Indy was the first to find the transformers as a youth? and how much more awesome if it was played by the same actor in different time periods. SWEET!
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i'm not even going to see the damn film...seriously. i'll just watch raiders again instead.
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the kid is ford's double...
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Apparently, anyway.
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In his (possible) defence, David Koepp was told by a studio that they would make Panic Room if he changed the main characters from a mother and daughter to a couple of teenage hotties, and he didn't go for it. As a screenwriter he may be frequently bland, but at least he seems to have some integrity and is not given to populating his scripts with irritating young upstarts.<p>Incidentally, "bouf" is not quite French for beef, but depending on verb conjugations has something to do with eating. Obviously this gives rise to "Gotta Eat" jokes but I'm not going to be the first to touch that...
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Dakota Fanning? Spielberg used her demonic li'l face for War O Da Worlds already; she's probably on stringer. Or Haley-Joel Osment? He needs work.
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so why can't the kid? Oh wait! It can. Yeesh.
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...takes after Indy's father instead of Indy. Sorta like the Seth Green/Dr Evil relationship in Austin Powers.
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this is finally starting on the bullshit path.. watch now Indie getting raped fellas.
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This place is going to explode...
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As Indy's daughter, I hope, as opposed to the love interest. Perhaps this is old news. But even if Indy 4 was complete garbage, I'd still go to see Natalie Portman.<p>I misread this jackass's name, by the way. My French was correct and my reading was wrong. So it doesn't really mean anything.
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20 or so Bond movies. Why can't you make more Indiana Jones movies?? There are a lot of stories that can be told. You can mine the era almost endlessly. Yea, the kid thing is a bit rote but for fucks sake. I'm 36. Just the nostalgia factor is enough to get me hard. Why is it wrong to revisit the character?? And why is it so wrong to make it when Ford is so old. He isn't dead. peoplein their 60s still have passions. As long as this is about Indiana Jones in the later years of his life, then what is wrong with that?? Imagine the character at that age and you can see him being physically limited, yes, but still the same cranky, passionate risk-taker. But I guess if this movie doesn't get made then it means more money for, say, Mortal Kombat 3 or whatever that shit was that Drew co-wrote. Really hard to pass judgement on the Beard and Indy when you took money to write the (unproduced) third movie in a videogame series. C'mon. Get some perspective. It's Indiana fucking Jones.
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They just let Indiana Jones go on an epic adventure all by himself,meet some new people and let them tag along.All this crap with adding an offspring and more family members,why the hell cant they just stick to the basic and do what Rocky did this year and have the movie be about ...say INDIANA JONES!!!.
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I'm probably in the minority, but if they were going to bother doing this at all, I really wish they'd come up with enough material for a trilogy of films focusing on an older Indy, rather than what will probably be a half-baked one-shot, filled with winks and nods to the installments of the past. Something that was really thought out in terms of BEING a trilogy, whereas the three previous films were not, really. I dunno. Just seems like more of a commitment to the character than just another Indy film.
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Why is Indiana-Bad-Ass-Muthafuckin-Jones splitting screen time with Connery and some kid? I've waited this long and now you're going to cut his time DOWN even more? How did it fucking get to this? Why do people think the natural progression is to add a son in this one? Connery killed the momentum in the last one. Why are we going for MORE cutesy? Sad. Sad. Sad. Let's kill another franchise by introducing a kid. Don't care how good an actor he is, father-son action duos are lame.
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...when they broke it to us that the next DIE HARD was going to be McClane and son?
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...make it a daughter and name her Dakota. ;-)
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"I'm Henry III, I am, I am" jokes?
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Yeah, but who is going to play Indy? They are going to have to dig up Harrison Ford if they wait much longer.
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They live in Utah, don't they?
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When he's running at full force the man writes some fine entertainments. Sure none of them are perfect but the man knows his genres and entertains well. Spielberg has been on a solid roll since AI both as a director and producer. I still have faith. We all thought Indy's Dad would be a mistake but it worked, thanks in part to some great chemistry between Connery and Ford.
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I never imagined he would even be a good father. He's like his own father in the sense that he has true passions that always come first.
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Please spare us the torment, and change it.
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I agree with most folks' sentiments. This is a bad idea. What we need is just a stone cold Indiana Jones flick. Just hard nails. Screw it. He may be old(er) but don't neuter the character by cutting his screen time for a comic relief son (I like Shia as an actor but that's all the role's going to be- comic relief). Work with Indy, the character. But don't sidetrack the affair with all these unnecessary characters that none of us will gravitate towards anyway. That's one of the reasons the (Star Wars) Prequels failed. Too many characters we could give two hoots about. That's why Blade Trinity sucked... it was about everyone else except Blade. And like one talkbacker stated above, why Rocky Balboa was a success. It was about Rocky! Rocky may have been older but the movie dealt with that. It dealt with him. Indy IV should just focus on Indy and forget the whole son bit. Speaking of sons, haven't we learned anything from Superman Returns, lol. Just kidding.
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You do that, and I'll forgive letting Indy have a kid. I also agree that Natalie Portman would be a FAR better choice than Mr. Sidekick. Can you picture her going on adventures in the 50's? Just her in bobby socks and a sweater is enough to get my ass in any movie, but her in bobby socks and a sweater SOLVING ANCHIENT MYSTERYS/POSSIBLE USING A WHIP/HAVING THE DNA OF INDIANA FUCKING JONES???? That's the fucking hottest thing in the world. But nope, here comes the Shia. Man... If he gets cast as Robin in Batman 3 (because if you don't think that Robin's going to be in Batman 3 you're a fucking moron... deal with it) instead of Joseph Gordon-Levitte, I'm going to blow my brains out opening night. Let's just hope this movie has a good artifact to find.
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This kid sucks.
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The question is will be another movie shat out of the ass of Lucas and company in the vein of the prequels or will have have some substance and be a good time. I am of course hoping for a good time. Really without knowing any major plot points on what this quest is going to be it's unfair to be negative or positive about it either way. I really hope they don't blow it but my expectations are lowered only because of the garbage that was the prequels and the less then exciting War Of The Worlds for Spielbergs last outing at doing something fun.
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I was too lazy to read through all the talkbacks, but given this is Spielberg and he likes all those broken homes, Indy Jr. will maybe be living with Marion and might not have met Indy Sr. and the three of them will somehow be reunited. Just a thought
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groan
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...does the seed of Harrison Ford produce a twerp like Shia LeBouf? This is just dumb...all we need from a Jones movie is a religious artifact to chase, a babe (okay so Marion wasn't a babe, but she made up for it with personality), and 5 or 6 jaw dropping action sequences. We need a son like we needed a father and son reunion.
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Feb. 18, 2007, 5:51 p.m. CST
So this is how they are going to make Indy 5,6,7,8,9,10
by DARTH VOODOO
Indy's son is going to carry on the adventures + Ford can do Connery like cameos in future films. Makes sense. If this is true the Jones family could be with us for a long time.
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With Nathan Fillion playing Indy!
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What religion are they going to mine for their McGuffin in this one? There's no way they have the balls to make Indiana Jones and the Sword of Muhammed or some shit like that. So what do you all think, is he going to raid the Norman Shnabernacle and steal the plates of Moroni or what?<p> What's left? The Spear of Destiny? Atlantis? Some Mayan thing?
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I'd be okay with it. Perhaps an odler son, maybe in his 20s?
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I'd watch it.
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He was funny in Even Stevens and showed he could act in A Guide to Recognising your Saints. I have no faith in Michael Bay so Shia's one of the reason's I'll watch transformers. Indy 4 could suck but we should trust Spielberg.
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The Indiana Jones films were nothing more than a stupid whip and fedora commercial. I think this sounds cool!!!1
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Feb. 18, 2007, 6:18 p.m. CST
Indiana Jones was always supposed to be about boy's...
by Cpt Kirks 2pay
...own adventure ESCAPISM!!! That meant escapism from the real world. That meant, getting the helll outta the territory of family, real world problems and involvement, that meant not having a film in which your pesty DAD was in, therefore grounding any young audience member with thoughts and contemplations about their own domestic and father son troubled relationships. That's the kinda shit we go to movies to FORGET, let alone go to such an escapism movie as Indiana Jones to get away from that kinda stuff and be transported away to a world as far away as possible as ours. Indiana Jones was always supposed to be a movie that transported us to a world of fantasy and adventure, not bring us back to the real world and away from such escapism. Spielberg and Lucas, if you wanna give us a film about realism, than bloody well make Munich or Schindler's List or even The Color Purple, but keep it out of Indy. It's one of the reasons to be quite frank, of why I didn't like The Last Crusade too much. I couldn't give a fuck if Indy's dad was Sean Connery, there were loads of other ways to bring more emotion and depth to the story and Indy's character and human relationships than have his dad brought into it. I watched that movie thinking about the relationship between my dad and myself, and that is NOT the kinda thing that I want to see or think about in an Indy movie, I'm sorry but it isn't! I go there to get AWAY from all that stuff! So I don't bloody well want this cop out story telling dvice to be employed in the next Indy movie with his son being brought into it. It makes Indiana Jones less of an adventurer that takes you away from all the estrangement that you have in your life, and instead just reinforces you with such anti adventure sentiment such as fucking family values that we just don't want to go to an Indy movie to see, we in fact want the opposite. Forfuxake, Spielberg and Lucas, get in tune with your audience's psyche like you used to do back in the 70s/early 80s. We don't care for this shit. If we want added depth and emotional awareness in an Indy movie apart from fantasy and escapism, we can find loads of other ways to do so rather than going for this cheap family story method. Also, Spileberg and Lucas, you're both fucking cop outs for using these kinda stories, Spielberg always has to awkwardly and unnecessarily use that in his films and it only cheapens not just the film but our view of Steven. It don't work for the film, not even subconsciously, and not only does it make it a lesser film, but again, there are other subjects and ways to give these films more feeling and significance and emotion.
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Because there were no disernible character arcs. No gooey family relationships. No wacky kids. Slapstick heroines. Estranged fathers. And certainly no long-lost sons. And nothing was "learned" along the way. The film was exhilarating because it dispensed with such pretensions and it was still FIERCELY INTELLIGENT. It was an instant classic. But Simon Pegg is right: you can retroactively damage a classic. There's no question TEMPLE OF DOOM, LAST CRUSADE and that godawful YOUNG INDIANA JONES CHRONICLES knocked RAIDERS off its pedestal (if not for them, RAIDERS would still be commonly regarded as a top five masterpiece) and it's painful to speculate what a Disneyfied Lucas and a gentrified Spielberg are going to do to it now. WE DON'T WANT TO SEE INDY'S SON!
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fuck this movie too. i was holding out hope...i really was, but now, no fucking way. its dead to me
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and then have Mola Ram rape him and rip his heart out. "KALI MA!"
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STOOPPP WHIIINNINGGG.....as you guys mentioned this is a new Spielberg joint....i have total faith in the man.... and yes i do like Shia the next Tom Hanks baby haha... :::john williams music ensues:::
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to continue the franchise FOREVER. James Bond style/second gen. shit. WHATEVER$$$$$$
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so fucking bored with the quasi-movie snob that is mor...get over yourself.
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Never! Never!
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That bitch could drink, yo!
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Ford looks like the Cryptkeeper lately. That whole talking out of the side of his mouth thing is disturbing.
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"Your the son of a whore, Jones"
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Feb. 18, 2007, 6:49 p.m. CST
Indiana Jones and the wimpy WB Flavor of the Month
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Feb. 18, 2007, 6:49 p.m. CST
Indiana Jones and the crass cross-gen marketing effort
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Feb. 18, 2007, 6:50 p.m. CST
Indiana Jones and the grocery store self-checkout device
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Feb. 18, 2007, 6:51 p.m. CST
Indiana Jones and the Bingo Jackpot
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Feb. 18, 2007, 6:52 p.m. CST
Indiana Jones and the Hoverround Power Scooter
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Feb. 18, 2007, 6:52 p.m. CST
Indiana Jones and the Secret of the Reverse Mortgage
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Feb. 18, 2007, 6:53 p.m. CST
Indiana Jones and the Too-Loud Rap Music
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Feb. 18, 2007, 6:53 p.m. CST
Indiana Jones and the Disrespectful Nursing Staff
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Feb. 18, 2007, 6:54 p.m. CST
Indiana Jones and the Quest for a Bridge Partner
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Feb. 18, 2007, 6:54 p.m. CST
Indiana Jones and the Stubborn Nutrasweet Packet
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Feb. 18, 2007, 6:56 p.m. CST
Indiana Jones and the Innacurately daubed Capzasin-P
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Feb. 18, 2007, 6:57 p.m. CST
Indiana Jones and the Disappointing Fruit-Cocktail Cherry Ratio
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Feb. 18, 2007, 6:57 p.m. CST
Indiana Jones and the Steering Wheel That's Hard to See Over
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Feb. 18, 2007, 6:58 p.m. CST
Indiana Jones and the Fradulent Lottery Scheme
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Feb. 18, 2007, 6:59 p.m. CST
Indiana Jones and the Revamped Prescription-Drug Discount
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Feb. 18, 2007, 7 p.m. CST
Indiana Jones and the Free Diabetis Supplies
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HAHAHHA funny stuff Daddylonghead...Indiana Jones and the grocery store self-checkout device....Indiana Jones and the Bingo Jackpot....Indiana Jones and the Too-Loud Rap Music....Indiana Jones and the Disappointing Fruit-Cocktail Cherry Ratio....hahahaa in the words of the AIM generation "LOL"
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Feb. 18, 2007, 7:01 p.m. CST
Indiana Jones and the Horror of the Miscegenating Grand-Kids
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Feb. 18, 2007, 7:03 p.m. CST
Indiana Jones and the Lawrence Welk re-run
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Please.
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The erasure treatment? Does the new anti-Thread-Spamming rule correspond to such a situation, or only repetitive postings?
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Feb. 18, 2007, 7:04 p.m. CST
Indiana Jones and the Smell of Musty Butterscotch
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Feb. 18, 2007, 7:05 p.m. CST
Indiana Jones and the Misplaced Bifocals
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That's right, Shia in Indy IV = the kid throwing the piano in Superman Returns. SHIA IN INDY IV = not a good idea. He can have a role, but not as Indy's son. Please no...
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You know they're funny
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daddylonghead, have you been watching old episodes of 'mr. show'? you have a rapier wit! i agree with the dude above who said it should be a daughter. maybe she can be adopted and good at gymnastics, so when the dinosaurs come after indy, she can do a triple-sow-cow and kick 'em in the head!
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I guess we're the same person, then, right?
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I mean she showed such promise so long ago ... Animal House, Raiders ...
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Indy Jr.?! Great, bringing in kiddie Zorro in "The Legend of Zorro" wasn't bad enough, now Indy Jr.'s going to destroy that franchise. Frak.
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...you guys would be pissing and moaning about Spielberg and co. showing a young version of Indy. You'd complain and cry, "You're raping my childhood", which is the most idiotic thing TBers bitch about. Hey, I HATE prequels in almost any aspect, but the one thing The Last Crusade DID do right 100% was the young Indy story, with River Phoenix in the lead. Granted, Phoenix had proven to be an outstanding actor and captured the role of young Indy perfectly (right down to the facial expressions), BUT despite that... you guys would have pissed and moaned about a young Indy storyline... and you would have been wrong. You bitch about everything and anything. Shia is not a terrible actor at all. He hasn't been in enough movies to declare this a frickin' travesty of casting. The only reason you're bitchin is because he is in Transformers. Get over it.
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every once in a while i watch 'last crusade' just because of that intro sequence. he even gets the harrison ford-esque timing right when he shushes the fat kid. amazing.
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Let's face it, he's admitted to conjuring up stories before when this once great website started out. There's no more Star Wars movies to report on. So he says some "pretty reliable sources" say that Shia is up for the role. Then he creates a bitch pissing and moaning fest for TBers, so they stay interested and have something to complain about. I honestly think Harry enjoys listening to you guys bicker. It's good business. More hits on the site. I said it before and I'll say it again, the internet, but more specifically sites like Aint It Cool News, have killed the wonder of going to the movies. Creates so much negative emotions based off of minute details, usually bullshit casting and story rumors, etc. It just ruins any type of wonder. Like when we walked into the theater when Back to the Future debuted in '85. We knew nothing about it besides some cool trailers. Same for Star Wars. Same for Inidiana Jones. That's long gone. Movies will NEVER perform to expectation, but that doesn't mean it's black and white... sucks or is frackin' excellent. Doesn't work that way. But you add preconceived opinion based off of heresy, then yep... that wonder is GONE. Not for me though. I'm keeping an open mind and letting the damn movie speak for itself.
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Better than the rest of the movie, imo. It's a damn shame about him.
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and will be the Little Miss Sunshine of whatever year it comes out in!
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And his son won't like it and will say "don't call me Junior" baaaaaaaaaaaaahahahahaha that would be gold!!! gold baby!!!!!!
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Weird...http://tinyurl.com/298rga
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No younger indy, no indy as a mentor. That's all bull shit and never works. No one wants to see young Indy, they want to see Ford.
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Any movement on Grindhouse is covered immediatly, in great detail.
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I'm both impressed and horrified at the same time. I fear you may be exactly right.
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Some days I want another Indy movie, others I view the thought of one as an abomination. I actually kind of liked the idea of Indy having a brother - make him an accountant or something. I could see the interplay with a sibling as being entertaining, much like it was with Ford and Connery, but make the brother the antithesis of Indiana. Or I could be a complete idiot for thinking this. And I think the IJ series will go on for many years with different actors in the lead role. Sean Connery WAS James Bond, but that franchis seems to be going well with other actors in the title role, and they've already had different actors portray Indiana at varying stages of his life. What the hell do I know, though. I made "The Beast of Yucca Flats" after all.
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Ye gods - War of the Worlds was one of the worst movies I've ever seen, AI, Munich, Minority Report, the Terminal, all terrible and that doesn't include the crap he exec produced (jurassic 3, memoirs of a geisha etc) - I have no faith at all that he won't ruin Indy 4 and diminish Raiders in the process. Find another story to tell and move on - how many more films can he make and he's wasting his time with this? <p> I just checked imdb and the problem isn't that he's running out of time, he's got too many projects on the go to maintain the quality. He has about9 or 10 in production right now as exec producer. I'd prefer more of a Terrence Malick pace at this point compared to what he's doing now.
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... stepping into a role in a legacy he really has no right to, in a part that really shouldn't exist. God dammit.
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...is confirming Shia's presence in this movie. Hey, what do you reckon he'll like rock and roll music and Indy won't get it? What do you reckon Indy and Shia's character will tearfully watch Connery die about 2/3s of the way through? Hey, what do you reckon Indy puts the hat on the kid at some point in this movie? Uuurrgggllll...sorry, just choked on my own vomit...
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And yet so, so, so sad. Because we both know at least 50% of that crap is going to be in the movie, or some variation on it. *sigh*
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Will he follow in his dad's footsteps and be afraid of snakes, too?<P>Good lord, I can see it now - the kid snaps the whip onto his belt, puts on the fedora, turns to face the camera, and gives the audience his best Harrison Ford-style grin.<P>That's the shot! Can it!!!
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'Indiana Jones and the grocery store self-checkout device ' LOL...I feel your pain being stuck behind Indy in line.
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It'll be spiders. Because that was one of the first scenes in Raiders, Indy not even being bothered by all the tarantulas on his back. Oh, and he'll think the whip is lame and not like guns.
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..he'll have to use the whip and gun to save Indy/himself/random love interest. My God, it just writes itself, doesn't it?
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Alabama? Dakota?<P>"But dad, we named the hampster New Mexico!"
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I cant see his genes producing anything as lame as LaBeouf but do we really want to see Indy as some sad old genetic dead end?
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Before it's too late. Salva (uh, allegedly) drilled "Shia" a few years ago, let him do this dance again and make sure "Shia" can't walk and fuck up a nice franchise with his non-presence. And a fucking I HAVE A KID? "plot"... Quick, have someone start a "Damn you David Koepp" trend!
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Yeah it could suck. It might not. It could be the kid from Superman Returns or it could be River Pheonix from Last Crusade. The only way you can be sure the movie wont suck, kid or no kid, is not to make it at all.
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He's a little pussy...Just think after Indy how many lead roles in big budget action/adventure movies this kid be cast in...OH THE HUMANITY!
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One of you guys had a gun to my head. I had no choice...
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I laughed harder at his Indiana titles than I did at Neil Cumpston's (sp?)300 review. And that says a lot - cuz I almost got fired. Keep 'em coming! Don't listen to un-creative haters.
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Indiana Jones only had a daughter, I believe, on Young Indiana Jones chronicles. How are you gonna swing that, huh? Does LeBouf have a sex change somewhere down the road? Oh, and don't forget - Old Indy had a huge gash across his face, was missing an eye and wears an eyepatch, so we'd better see Harrison lose his eye in this one! NO MORE CONTRADICTIONS EVER!!!
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..."choose wisely"
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be responsible for ruining the kid's career with Transformers.
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and then we can remake Raiders with a SI swimsuit model.
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Whatcha gonna do, brutha?!?!
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Feb. 18, 2007, 9:22 p.m. CST
Why does every long running franchise bring in a teen?
by MaxCalifornia.
Notice how every big franchise that recently made a comeback featured a young/teen friendly male character in a significant role? Terminator 3 - Nick Stahl & Clare Danes as sidekicks. Blade Trinity - Ryan Reynolds and Jessica Biel as sidekicks. Rocky Balboa - Rocky Jr as a young man. Die Hard 4 - Justin Long. Star Wars prequels - teen Dawson's Creek in space romance crap. Superman Returns - kid. And rumor suggests that Rambo 4 will feature Rambo working with some young mercenary dudes. The only ones that didn't do this younger sidekick crap were BATMAN BEGINS and CASINO ROYALE. And they're the only two that anyone liked! It sounds like studio exec bullshit - they're afraid that teenagers won't know or care who Indiana Jones is, so they feel they have to shoehorn a teen actor in to give them someone to relate to. Stop the insanity!
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Son of Batman: "Why do we fall, pops?"<p>Batman: "Because we fail to engage our memory cloth wing current at high altitudes, before the wind carries us straight into the sidewalk."
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be some hippy turd and it will be set in the late 60s, about how much smarter the next generation is and how we should listen to their wisdom. Some anti-Cold War b.s. follows, but Indy will have a thing or two to show them! And lots of aging jokes will ensue.
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If you really want to read more Indy is old jokes, read every other talkback about an Indy development or rumor. There tons of talkbacks and there are thousands of posts containing that shit.
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Oedipus McClane: "Have you done that kind of thing before?"<p>John McClane: "Yippee kai yay, motherfucker."
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Predator: "Whhhhat... thuh hell... are youuuu?"
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You know Jason or Freddy needs a mini version of themselves to be all cute and keep the franchise moving forward for the future and to appeal to a younger demographic. "Damn it little Freddy, I was gonna stab that co-ed!"
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Why aren't you a fan of LAST CRUSADE? Seriously, I want to hear your thoughts on that one.
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T2 brought in the kid, not T3. The Batman relaunch could bring in a kid and still be good as it actually belongs in the story, as long as they do it well. I always enjoy the stories that actually look at Batman and how he ropes in young children to risk their lives with him in such an irrsponsible fasion.
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even though it was hinted at they might turn murderer in some cases. I want a full blown side-kick dressed in a silly costume. Of course when I say "want" I mean I want to hear about it, and then never see the movie.
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There, I feel better.
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T2 is like my least favorite of the terminators, 1 was almost like a horror, while t3 was like a rollercoaster (and in a rare GOOD way,like Empire strikes back) . what kind of terminator promises not to kill to a shitty actor like edward furlong.
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And if this another fuckin' sappy Father/Son reconciliation story I'm gonna murder somebody.
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Cast the ugly bitch Spielberg used in Jurassic Park 2 and make her kill a nazi using gymnastics.
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If Zooie D. is in it I'll be there. If she's naked, I'll be there all day!
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on all the women from previous films. I guess that was one of the early drafts - I haven't paid much attention since. "Son of.." has been a hoary cliché since the silent era. So sad, if true.
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Boom Headshot!!!!!!!
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Shia LeFuck is the biggest prick since Osama Bin Laden. Seriously, he overacts in every movie he's in...plus he thinks he's the shit. Has he had a hit movie yet? No. And he single-handedly ruined that Guide To Recognizing Your Saints movie---which would have been better without him. Why does Spielberg have a hard-on for this assjob?
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The director of Minority Report and Munich wouldn't, but the director of AI and War of the Worlds would.
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Tagline: "Why did it have to be children?" Coming to a megaplex near you in 2010.
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He should be in there for action (martial artist) and story (adopted son). Indy's dad should have a cameo.
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So wait, would he be Indiana Jones Jr or Henry Jones III?
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Maybe Indy can do battle with Harry Potter, Hermione Granger and Ronald Weasly. It would be his version of BOOK 7!!! Now that would be pretty damn interesting!!!
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SPOILER!!! Jennifer Love Hewitt has been cast as Indy's daughter!!!
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Feb. 18, 2007, 11:14 p.m. CST
Great! More Lucas-Speilberg Politically Correct SHIT
by Triumph poops!
Okay, first off -- I HATE the idea of introducing a son. Or a daughter for that matter. Or any of family stuff. Indiana Jones, in its BEST and TRUEST incarnation -- which was RAIDERS -- had a simple formula that Lucas and Speilberg will now FUCK UP. The reason RAIDERS worked so well WAS its simplicity. It was an action tale that didn't bog down in melodrama -- it simply stayed focused on being a straightforward, two-fisted, old style PULP adventure movie...literally!<p>But let's face it: this is probably WHY Lucas canned Darabont's version. Because Darabont probably DID want to make a new Indiana Jones movie EXACTY that way, but George shitted all over it, once again thinking "I know what's best!"<p>Of course, let's look at who is involved here and WHAT to expect. First you have Lucas, you know, the guy who thought Jar Jar was a GOOD idea and who now had Greedo shoot first because Han could no longer be a bad-ass Bounty Hunter, he now had to be a lovable one!...and you have Speilberg (and Koepp) who just had to wedge in a politically correct Black daughter to Malcolm in LOST WORLD and who were actually SO clueless that they thought a great character arc invoved her being a failed school gymnast who then gets to take out a FUCKING RAPTOR by swinging on a pipe. And you have Speilberg (and Koepp again) who thought Dakota Fanning whining like a little spoiled brat for 2 hours made for a better Alien Invasion movie then...oh, I don't know...ACTUALLY SHOWING ALIENS INVADING THE EARTH AND DESTROYING THINGS.<p>Seriously, given how much Lucas and Speilberg had become parents and old farts who are totally out of touch with what people REALLY want to see, does anyone have ANY faith in this movie actually turning out good as opposed to being something we will want to hurl our popcorn over???<p>Mark these words: The kid in THE MUMMY 2 will prove to be LESS annoying then the hamminess Lucas and Speilberg will try to shoehorn into this fim -- and I think we all KNOW how great the kid in MUMMY 2 worked out! (insert mocking Rodney Dangerfield eye roll here)...
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Feb. 18, 2007, 11:17 p.m. CST
You don't just give indy a dad, you give connery a role
by BendersShinyAss
Thats how this film should be cast. And i agree with an above talkbacker - indy should have a daughter, not a son.
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Look, here's the real bottom line here. If Lucas wants some quick cash, then just produce the damn thing -- since I think Lucas still has a good eye for exceptional production values and what will look good onscreen. So, George, kick in a few ideas, but be willing to bend A LOT more since you're REALLY out of touch with today's market...and just write the check.<p>Steven, get your OLD mojo back. Go watch RAIDERS in your private screening room and realize THAT'S what people want to see, not the shit you've put out like WOTW which was actually WORSE then ID4. Seriously -- Emmerich and Devlin actually made a BETTER alien invasion movie than you and Koepp because you guys lost sight of what people wanted to see, which was NOT Dakato Fanning being the ultimate whiny, bratty poster child for a political campaign called "Reason why spanking your child should always be an option."<p>Lastly, sad to say, the weak link here is Ford -- and we all pretty much know it. Hey, I loved Ford in the role IN HIS PRIME, but those days are LONG GONE. Did any of you actually suffer through FIREWALL? Ford is now where Roger Moore was when he made VIEW TO A KILL. It's PAINFUL to see him trying to be an action star onscreen at his age. So the truth is its time to let Ford go. Get someone else and just REBOOT the whole franchise. 3 new films with a new, younger, in his prime Indy that we can all get behind.<p>So seriously George and Steven: Do a Casino Royale. Go see what Daniel Craig did to literally revitalize a decades old franchise and how they made Bond seem TOTALLY FRESH once again. In short, reboot the damn thing in a way that will make a new generation WANT to see further adventures.<p>Oh, and here's a tip for you. It's NOT SHIA LA BEOUF. A newer, younger Indiana Jones should be...hmm, how to put this politely...ACTUALLY MANLY.
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Anything else will not make money and won't be worth watching.
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Fuck fuck fuck him. Shit in i robot, shit in constantine... how many variations of "annoying fuckface" can he play before he is kicked to the curb. Its like Dakota Fanning syndrome... get off my screen Shia Lebouf !!!
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I'm sure Ke Huy Quan could do the job, but I want Jet Fucking Li to pimpslap Shia LaBoeuf in this film.
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noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo his voice even ruined nausicca for me, dangit this better be a rumor. nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
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To get talkbackers going at our funniest. This talkback is hilarious!
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at least a hot daughter would be something to look
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The idea that IF Indiana isn't played by Ford that no one will come is an argument I simply don't buy into at all. I've been there myself emotionally, but the truth is the buying public is always changing its taste allowing you to shift directions creatively -- well, so long as you do it right. The same argument was used over replacing Brosnan with Craig, and frankly that didn't backfire on anyone. Everyone said "No one will see this if it still isn't Pierce"...and the end result was the HIGHEST GROSSING Bond of all time. Guess people WERE willing to try a change of flavors after all, eh?<p>And since this involves Lucas, wasn't the same argument made over the announcement of the Prequels? That since they didn't star Hammill, Fisher and Ford that no one would show up? But as I seem to recall again, Ford NOT being in the Prequels only resulted in PHANTOM MENACE going on to become the biggest hit of all time until TITANIC came along.<p>Bottom line: if they did this right and cast it right -- picked a good charismatic actor to take over the role and announced it as the launch of a new trilogy and then REALLY worked hard to put out a movie that completely kicked ass in the spirit of the original RAIDERS -- I'm sure the box office would not suffer.<p>Hell, as far as your Ford notion, let's also NOT forget a little back history here: Lucas HIMSELF was planning to push Ford aside and put Phoenix Rivers into the role for a new set of films after LAST CRUSADE was over, where Rivers would continue on with his portrayal of Younger Indy -- but then Rivers overdosed, died, and squashed all of those plans.
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Well said. I don't know why I try. I visit the site because SOMETIMES there's exciting news that gets me pumped for a future project (ala Stallone interviews, Cameron interviews, etc.)... just too bad to see so many people focus on creating negative buzz/prejudgement. But hell no, I do not let it affect my experience. I do have to disagree with you regarding what you said about Spielberg and Lucas doing it for the money. There's no question, these guys don't have to worry about the money. I'm sure the studio was thrilled to cash in on the upcoming film. But these guys could go on and on making other movies, good and bad, and not have to just do it for the money. They're invested in the character. They're storytellers. I am sure it intrigues them to see where they can take the character next. It's not for the money. If they are doing it for anything, it's for nostalgia after enjoying making those movies so much... that creative process. Believe it or not, there are some filmmakers out there that still have a yearn to feed their imagination. TBers just get so damn riled up... like making this movie is going to take anything away from the previous Indy flicks they grew up with. The only person to blame for letting that happen is themselves. I dislike Lucas' prequels for the most part, but fuck if I'm going to let those missteps ruin the movies I grew up with. It's a ridiculous argument... "Lucas raped my childhood" "Bay is raping my childhood" etc. Give me a frickin' break. If you don't like the movie, don't watch it again. But at least see it before you bash it. And the fact is, WE DON'T KNOW if Indy has a son in the fourth flick. This is so far some shitty ass rumor that Harry posted. At least wait until a trailer comes out and we SEE that Indy has a son. Or wait for a press release from the studio confirming. Ridiculous.
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I loved Casino Royale and Daniel Craig as Bond but the two franchises have some major differences. The Bond series consists of 21 movies whereas The Indy trilogy consists of 3 movies. There's no way Sean Connery would have played Bond in every one of those movies. He didn't want to and neither did the producers. Indiana Jones on the other hand is a character that is popular mostly due in part to Harrison Ford's charm and charisma. The Young Indy Chronicles didn't connect with most fans because Ford wasn't wearing the fedora.
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Feb. 19, 2007, 12:55 a.m. CST
Remember- Moriarty thought "King Kong" was a good movie
by Cotton McKnight
Add to that his low opinion of Indiana Jones and the last crusade and, well... you get the idea.
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well not REALLY but I do like what he adds to movies. He was good in I, Robot and I think he is absolutely perfect for The Transformers. But Indiana Jones? Come on. Don't we want a "River Phoenix" type guy for his son?
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They will fuck this one up like they fucked up all of the Star Wars prequels. Fuck George Luca$ in the A$$
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You retard. It's River Phoenix. Please don't diss one of the best actors of our generation. FUCK SHIA.
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Le Boeuf might be a good actor, but in the end everyone will agree that bringing in another family member was a major weakness. David Koepp is a great screenwriter, but his writing is, IMHO, not Indiana Jones stuff. I'd give a lot to read the Darabont draft, but quite honestly I don't think the world is waiting for a fourth installment. I agree with most of the world that the ending of Crusade was as perfect an ending as they come in franchises. Indy is a product of 1980s cinema and it should stay that way. Just like Star Wars was a product of 1970s cinema and it should have stayed that way.
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teh sukk? no?
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Booth77, being a lifelong Indy fan and given that I saw the opening to LAST CRUSADE only a few days ago several times over (in my local Costco they had it looped on all the TVs), I was aware of his name -- I just accidentally transposed it while typing fast, a simple human error. So I apologize for that.<p>As for "dissing one of the finest actors of our generation", hey, he wasn't MY generation -- so it's not like I feel some insane emotional bond towards him. Sorry, but to me, he was simply another actor, someone I basically liked, that I had no real problem with on screen, so I'll politely leave it at that.<p>However as for calling me a retard...as opposed to simply posting a correction minus the sarcasm...compared to your "genius" idol, at least I was smart enough in life not to BE a fucking retard who partied too hard and who overdosed on drugs, thus completely wasting and pissing away my entire life.<p>Although talking about Phoenix and things that will kill you, a side anecdote courtesy of IMDB: Ironically despite his reputation for healthy living, Phoenix was a chain smoker. Peter Bogdanovich recalled, "He'd say about meat, 'That's not good for you, man, that'll kill you.' And he'd be smoking a cigarette and he'd look at it and say, 'I know, man, I know.'"
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Nowadays is more harrison-ford-esque than Ford himself... These last years have been very bad for Ford... I used to like the man a lot, how not to? he is Han Solo, Indiana Jones... but something went wrong... I think now that he is a grumpy old man, and every time I see him on screen I can avoid to think that he is completely washed out, and miss the old Harrison... Last time Harrison was really great was in the Last Crusade... after that, all went south...
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...I'm gonna fucking kill someone.
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hells yes.
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Yes, I admit it, I'm in love with the man... but in a very manly way, not that Brokeback Mountain stuff... Nathan Fillion, Nathan Fillion, Nathan Fillion :)
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Here's a story Latino Review posted a couple weeks ago but was forced to take down after it was online for only a few minutes: Quote: I had a chance to speak to Shia LaBeouf a few weeks ago here in NYC and I asked him what he was working on next now that he's rapped TRANSFORMERS. Shia replied something like this: “I can't really say because.... put it this way, I'm trying to work something out to be in the next Steven Spielberg movie.” Which Spielberg movie is it? Well let's do some math. Spielberg is working on two projects, Lincoln and Indy IV. Lincoln is the Abraham Lincoln biopic and we all know about Indy IV. When I pressed him if it was Lincoln, Shia laughed it off. He just gave me a look saying “NO WAY!" Then when I asked him point blank if it was Indy IV. He put on a devilish smile and said “I'm trying to work it out. I don't want to loose the role to another actor so I really can't say much but it will be announced very soon.” Even more, my guy in L.A., who isn't very liked at the moment, EL MAYIMBE has spotted Shia at the Gym working out like a mad man. Would Shia being working his ass off for a role in Lincoln? Unlikely. A few days later our sources said that Steven loves Shia and that he's up for one of two roles, either Indy's son or a faithful sidekick. Could he be Indy's son? Considering the rumor that one of the rejected scripts did see Indy with a son from a liaison with Marion back in Raiders, it could happen. But it would make sense, considering Shia was born in 1986 and Raiders was released in 1981, if a fling with Willie in Temple created a Jones offspring, which was released in 1984, a bit closer to Shia's birth year. Expect an announcement soon.
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spoon-fed son...that could be funny. as long as the kid isnt automactically as wise as indy then im cool with it. PLUS fans of the tv show- isnt it pretty much canon that Indy has a daughter?
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...hes not related to McClane in later scripts.......... I agree T2 was the worst one. I disagree about Casino Royale, which was basically the same old business again and ultimately boring
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After all these years of what-ifs lets talk when the trailer hits. My head hurts reading these post...
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Now this is an idea I would actually devote my fan boy love to..
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This is a series that has already introduced a kid in part two, then a dad in part three, so it's not like this is a totally out of character addition a la Jar Jar. If Indy is older in this next film, it seems entirely plausible that he might have had a kid at some point. This business of having kids is, I hear, quite the growing trend among adults.
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Does that mean Kate Capshaw ia a lesbian? ;)
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I think the problem is that we all have waited sooo long to get back with the character we really love and not with some trendy, hip,happy meal annoying fucking bastard kid.. but yet if it was a loner as shortround was, the originality of the classic concept would please most of the people in here.
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He and his son search for a lost artifact every other weekend
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Indiana Jones goes on a quest to unearth an ancient scroll that holds the key to beating a paternity test
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That would be more interesting -- she looks/acts a little like Karen Allen and she's a very talented actress --- I'd believe she'd be Indy's daughter and that would be SOOOOOOO much less gay than a father/son plot. We've seen that before.
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You kids who think T2 is bad need a head exam and then some medication.
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Needless to say, if this is true, it stinks. I actually don't have any problem with Jones having a child. But make it a daughter. For many reasons (the nature of which require a longer forum to discuss), a son just will not work. I actually didn't have a problem with the Natalie Portman rumour - I could see that working, if done well. But a son? No. The problem is, Lucas is just stupid enough to do this. What I want is really quite simple - I want one last good Indiana Jones movie, with Sallah and Marion (and maybe even Willie), and I have no problem with Henry Sr. being in it either. I don't need this to be the start of a new franchise (Son of Indy etc.). If a daughter appears, fine, I'll deal with it - as long as she isn't the main focus of the film. But not a son.
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According to you, before being yanked offline, in his original interview that Latino Reviewer wrote (quote): "But it would make sense, considering Shia was born in 1986 and Raiders was released in 1981, if a fling with Willie in Temple created a Jones offspring, which was released in 1984, a bit closer to Shia's birth year."<p>A bit closer to Shia's birth year??? Uh, I hate to break this to another web site's resident Math whiz, but the fact that RAIDERS was released in '81 and TEMPLE in '84 is completely irrelevant to Shia being born in '86 SINCE THE MOVIES ARE SET IN THE THIRTIES.
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This is fun.
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I could go all day.
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I went there.
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Indy discovers that Solo shot first, Boba Fett was not in every single scene of every movie, and Jabba was not in the hangar.
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That ones aimed at you George!
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or...
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I'm bored now.
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low.
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Now im done.
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I swear I'm almost done.
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F-U-N-N-Y
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My G-mom loved her some hard candy.
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Rather than seeing a young son or daughter introduced into this -- which frankly given what Lucas did with Jake Lloyd in PHANTOM MENACE and what Speilberg did with Malcolm's daughter in THE LOST WORLD and Dakota Fanning WOTW (in other words create crap kid characters who were so horrible that they were actually nausea inducing) -- if they really want to go the expanded family route, I'd rather have Connery back AND have Henry finally reveal that Indy has a brother out there, and HE joins in on the adventure this time.<p>Years ago there had been talk that THAT was the story angle they wanted to use for INDY 4. So I say resurrect that and do it with TOM SELLECK since he was supposed to BE Indiana Jones over Ford. Selleck only lost the role because CBS infamously wouldn't let him out of his MAGNUM PI contract -- the crock being that they hadn't even aired Magnum yet, it was still in the can as a pilot. However they didn't want to let go of someone that Speilberg was interested in. After all, he must know something they didn't!<p>Anyway, I think that would be far cooler thing to see onscreen than fucking Shia La Beouf. For crying out loud, even typing his name and THINKING about him being in the movie is nausea inducing! And if it can't be Selleck, use Dennis Quaid who still looks pretty damn great for his age since he was the other casting runner-up. But toss in Selleck (or Quaid), Connery and, HELL YES, Jet Li (or Jackie Chan) as a grown up Short Round and you'd have a fun, kick ass movie.<p>Of course all this all makes sense and would actually make for a GOOD Indy 4, but since Lucas and Speilberg have gotten old and totally lost it, we should instead count on Shia and something guaranteed to make us power vomit our popcorn...
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I didnt even notice that! that guy is pretty crazy. The only reason I posted it was that it does kind of lend some credence to this rumour unfortunately.
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I really hope your condensed version of Indiana Jones 4 is totally wrong. But even though everyone on here would hate that story, I think you're very close to what we'll end up seeing. At least you gave us an early warning!
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Indy does not need a son! If Speilberg and Lucas have really gone creatively bankrupt enough to run out and film this ill conceived fan-rumor story, I'd rather they just skip the whole project.
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I don't know where you get your information, but it's completely wrong. Titanic came out a year and a half before The Phantom Menace, and The Phantom Menace fell short of Titanic's box office by about 900 million dollars. So no, Episode 1 was never the biggest hit of all-time, or even close for that matter. And nobody was saying people wouldn't show up for Episode 1 because the original cast weren't in it. If anything in history was a sure thing at the box office it was the first Star Wars Prequel. I guess you weren't around AICN in 1998. Or at Box Office Mojo ever.
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Anyone who saw this series knows what a douche Shia is. Why does Hollywood keep rewarding douchebags??? PLEASE Steven Spielberg: DO NOT DO THIS. YOU ARE MAKING A HUGE MISTAKE. And whoever said Zooey Dechanel should play the daughter of Indy and Karen Allen is a genius.
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Jackie Chan as a grown Short Round?!?! Jackie Chan is 52 years old! I guess you've never been to IMDB before. <p> To all posters suggesting Indy should be reluctant when going on this one last adventure, just stop. Please. That is the main reason (of many) that The Last Crusade sucks. Indiana Jones is extremely obsessive about acquiring what he's after in Raiders and Temple of Doom. To the point of putting anyone around him in danger if that's what it takes. The character was totally reworked for Last Crusade, to the point of being a different person. The whole "It belongs in a museum!" bullshit was the first thing they changed, and got wrong. "It belongs in a museum"? Since when?! He acquired the Ark of the Covenant for the United States Government. He acquired the last remains of Nurhachi for Lao Che, and was to be paid with a very large diamond. He acquired the Sankara Stone for the Indian villagers, and specifically said "it would just be in some museum collecting dust". And then they make him a reluctant adventurer. He doesn't even want to find the Holy Grail, he just wants to find his father, or feels as though he should find him. They had him perfect in Raiders when Belloq says "I am but a shadowy reflection of you. It would take only a nudge to make you like me. To push you out of the light". That is exactly who Indiana Jones is: obsessive, brilliant, and a mercenary/fortune hunter whose methods are questionable and dangerously close to being unscrupulous. I don't know who that guy in The Last Crusade is, but he isn't nearly as interesting. <p> The last shot of The Last Crusade is perfection though. It's a shame that riding off into the sunset isn't the last time we'll see Indiana Jones.
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Some dumbass here even says Independence Day was better. What the fuck, man? Did IQs suddenly drop when I was asleep? Go fuck yourselves, WOTW was fucking amazing.
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I can see the last scene where Indiana hands over his whip and fedora to his son. A pathetic excuse to keep the series alive. I'd rather have them do prequels with a younger Indiana than sequels with his son.
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You're right, I had mentally reversed TITANIC and PM in terms of release. While I was typing what I was thinking about was how huge PHANTOM MENANCE opened and that given the media push it had behind it at the time... and given the zillion financial promotional tie-ins that were also behind it at the time...how most people and industry prognosticators thought if there was ever going to be a movie that would be so huge that it would easily topple TITANIC and become the new champ, it would be a STAR WARS film. And as people were tracking PM across the summer, I remember how everyone was STILL sure it would go on to become Number One, that its box office legs would hold up, but as you noted, it did ultimately fall short.<p>However for the notion that "nobody was saying no one would show up for Episode 1", I actually disagree with you a bit on that. There's no question that the very idea of a new SW film ranked high on most geek's wish lists and that anticipation for it grew more and more as it actually went into production -- that's all true. However when Lucas first announced that he'd be doing prequels (with an all-new cast) as opposed to doing SEQUELS (and bringing back the original stars) I definitely remember a very loud chorus of naysayers who thought that was a COLOSSAL mistake and that it WOULD ultimately affect the box office. And I remember that very, very vividly simply because being a lifelong SW fan, I remember being in many a heated argument online and in chat rooms and on message boards over which way a new set of films should go -- that is, whether they should be forward in time (with Luke rebuilding the Jedi order) or backwards in time (to show the Jedi's fall and birth of Vader). Hell, there are STILL people who argue that Lucas made a huge mistake and he should have gone forward with the old cast and that that would have made the 3 new films even MORE popular and MORE profitable than the prequels were. Which is a whole other geek argument for another time...<p>Look, these things aside, you've sidetracked or even lost the point I was simply trying to make in my original post. Namely that years ago, quite a few people claimed that IF the new SW films DIDN'T have the original stars, that would hurt the new films' box office. But as we all know, that assertion wasn't true. And as I pointed out with Bond, there were also those that said going with Craig versus bringing Brosnan back one more time would ALSO hurt the final box office. But that, too, was proved to be wildly untrue since going with Craig ultimately gave Sony the BIGGEST grossing Bond in history.<p>So going back to my core point (which we've gotten away from) I would still argue that those who say Harrison Ford can't be replaced are dead wrong. I still think that a complete reboot of Indiana Jones -- IF it was casted right and IF Speilberg/Lucas could get their heads out of their asses -- would succeed on its own merits. Because again, I think that like the Prequels and like the CASINO ROYALE Bond relaunch, TODAY'S teenagers who have no real emotional attachment to the Ford films of old and even today's adult filmgoing audience looking to get out of the house for a blockbuster summer "fun" movie WOULD accept and embrace a "new" Indiana Jones. Again, IF you picked the right actor to pick up the fedora and start anew.<p>Which is all I was arguing in my original post to begin with...
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He fucking Jar Jar'ed I Robot and Constantine. You can bet your life he will Jar Jar Transformers. How the hell does this kid keep getting roles?
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because I sure don't want to see him anywhere near Indiana Jones.
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You make some very interesting comments. The way I've always seen it is that Indy goes through a development Arc - from treasure hunter in TOD, to driven cynic in Raiders, and finally to a point where he is (largely because of his experience with the Ark) a more centred person, more respectful of ancient artifacts. Don't forget that Temple was a prequel. But I agree, TLC was a lighter Jones than we saw in Raiders.
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Roswell or Avalon stuff rumored in the past. That's too convoluted. The beauty of the Ark was its simplicity - intimidating and frightening. I really don't know how you top Raiders because that film had such a fantastic ending. I suppose from a story standpoint the Ark could always turn up again.
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would be phenomenal as Indy's son
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bring back short round
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Jonathan Ke Quan... none of this Jet Li business
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what exactly is a "Cousin Oliver Syndrome", please? and a cute relative does not always destroy something. if anything Cousin Eddie reappearance in the Vacation films enhanced the experience. as long as Short Round or that twat from Last Action Hero (sorry, the non-Austrian twat) is not in it, i shall view Indy 4.
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First they all seem to rally around Brett Ratner and think he's genius. Then This little dude turns up in everything. He's not a bad actor, but he has about as much presence as a practical set lamp.
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Shia sandwich
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Since I got up early this morning and am waiting on a business call that keeps getting pushed back, I decided to kill the time by running some geek numbers for all to see. So in terms of a sequel or the idea of bringing Short Round back, here's how the ages for everyone actually breaks down...<p>According to official Lucasfilm licensing, Indiana Jones was born July 1, 1899.<p>TEMPLE OF DOOM takes place in 1935, so Indy is 36 at the time.<p>Harrison Ford was born in 1942, so in REAL LIFE he was 41 when they filmed the movie (in '83). So technically Ford was "playing young" since he was 5 years OLDER than Indiana was supposed to be.<p>Jonathan Ke Quan was born in 1971. He was 12 when they filmed TEMPLE OF DOOM, and that basically lines up right. The official screenplay states Short Round is 11, but we'll just go with 12 and say he's in perfect sync his character's age.<p>Since Ford was born in '42 and Ke Quan born in '71, IN REAL LIFE there's a 29 year difference between the two actors...meanwhile in the movies it should only be a 24 year difference (remember Ford is technically off and older by 5)<p>Jet Li was born in 1963.<p>If Li were to play an adult Short Round onscreen, in REAL LIFE there would be a 21 year age difference between him and Ford. So given that in the STORY its supposed to be a 24 year difference, onscreen together Ford and Li would only be "faking" a 3 year gap. So, yes, pairing Jet Li with Ford would be a near perfect way of pulling off an adult Short Round.<p>I tossed Jackie Chan's name off the top of my head as I was typing. That's simply because I thought he would make for a more humorous Short Round, and I had Jackie on my mind since I was literally watching RUSH HOUR 2 on TV yesterday. But being a Chan fan, I do often forget that he's actually older than he looks. Hey, we should all look so young and bounce around with so much vigor when we're his age!<p>Jackie Chan was born in 1954.<p>That means there's a 12 year age difference between him and Ford. So if they were paired together onscreen as Indy and Short Round, they would have to fake a 12 year gap -- in essence, Jackie would have to play about 10 years younger than he is. So, yes, I agree that would be a stretch. Ironically I think he's simply crossed that age mark where you can't fake it anymore, even with the best of Hollywood makeup. However had they made INDY 4 with Chan as Short Round 5-6 years ago, I think then he might have been able to fake the years then. But for now, yes, Li would be near perfect.<p>Oh, as for Marion, mother of the potential new sibling...<p>According to the official timeline, Indy begins post-graduate studies with Abner Ravenwood around 1926 and becomes involved with Marion almost immediately. That SAME year they also have their infamous falling out and Indy moves on...at which point they meet 10 years later in RAIDERS, in 1936.<p>If that's the case, that means Indy was 27 when he hooked up with Marion and broke her heart.<p>In REAL LIFE Karen Allen is 9 years younger than Harrison Ford. So if we simply apply that same age difference to the Indy/Marion characters, that means Marion was 17 when Indy broke her heart. Which would basically play to her infamous line in RAIDERS when she says to Indy, "I was a child! I was in love! It was wrong and you knew it!"<p>Anyway, that's the actual spread on the numbers. Of course the REAL question becomes what year Lucas/Speilberg/Koepp intend to set INDY 4 in and how much they'll try to fake everyone's ages against THAT...
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if he played identical twin sons of indy
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Perhaps all this hate-talk about Shia LeBouf will finally make Hollywood listen to the public. WE DON'T WANT HIM ANYWHERE NEAR OUR MOVIES, much less an INDIANA JONES movie! Is he a decent actor? Sure. So go stick him on some sitcom with Brad Garrett. End of story. Shia is a poor man's Topher Grace...and even that doesn't say much. He had his shot, and he blew it. STOP FORCE-FEEDING US "movie stars"! Enough with the Chris Kleins and Josh Hartnetts and Hayden Christensens and Shia Fucking LeBoufs. Give us more Joseph Gordon Levitts and Jamie Bells and Gael Garcia Bernals. I'm talking ACTORS. Actors with charizma and TALENT. The new generation of Dustin Hoffmans. PLEASE!!!
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You are one funny fucker. The Shia as Abraham Lincoln post is brilliant. <p> Triumph poops! Sorry, but nobody thought that we were getting Star Wars sequels over Star Wars prequels. I don't know who you were discussing this with but they were definitely ignorant. Every geek in the world knew we were getting prequels when in May of 1980 THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK scrolled up the screen with EPISODE V over the top of it. And then when STAR WARS was re-released into theaters in 1981 it had EPISODE IV A NEW HOPE on the opening scroll for the first time. Were you not a member of the Lucasfilm Fan Club? Upcoming prequels was all I heard about from the early 80's until around 1994 when they were confirmed to be going into production.
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That's right. You know who you are. The whole title thing is so OLD (get it?). Funny at first... maybe 10 years ago when you were pooping in your diapers it was funny (when someone else originally thought it up). I love this place... shows how inadequate most of you are. Must have really small... "personalities". HAHAHAHAHA . People worry way to much about a feckin movie. It's as if you have no idea what RL is like. Oh wait... YOU DON'T.
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... weren't able to stop this movie being made. Eat shit, angry fanboys!
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I'm sorry for the number of "o"'s in my "no", but I couldn't fit anymore. Raiders is one of my all time favs (I like the sequels/prequels too, to varying degrees), but this is a franchise killer. I hate this kid. Please, someone make a Speed Racer movie and cast him as Chim Chim, so he won't be available for Indy 4.
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That's a good point about Indiana Jones progressing, but the problem with your viewpoint is Indy says "That belongs in a museum!" in Last Crusade...........as a very young man. Spielberg was really only interested in exploring the relationship problems with his own father through the story in Last Crusade. Unfortunately at the expense of who the character of Indiana Jones really is. Another small problem from LC that shows that Lucas/Spielberg don't even get their own character is when Dr. Jones is wearing his fedora around the University campus. Those two personalities should be kept separate. It's a great dichotomy: University Professor in suit and glasses (Clark Kent), Action Hero in iconic costume (Superman). He really is a different person when he is dressed for adventure. <p> Also, Temple of Doom isn't actually a prequel. TOD has no story elements that take place before Raiders. The only reason they set it in 1935 is because Lucas wanted the opening to take place in Shanghai, but the Battle of Shanghai (between China and Japan) started in 1937. They had already used 1936 for Raiders so they went just one year earlier.
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Dustin Diamond. Which is to say, not hot at all. He is only slightly less annoying that Dustin Diamond, which is still annoying, but not enough to make you think murderous thoughts.
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Okay, I know that's pushing it, but Belloq's son wanting revenge on Indy appeals to me more than Shia LeBouf. Jet Li, bay-bay!
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has become a real sap with his choice of screenplays. It's not if there will be schmaltz, it's how much schmaltz you're in for with one of his films. I really don't care if either he or George Lucas ever make another film again.
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'cause you know, bouf is french for eat or something.
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...NERDEST. POST. EVER.
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Can't they just bring back River Phoenix with computers n stuff?
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Not one9deuce's. Sorry mate. You're cool. That other guy's post? NERDEST. POST. EVER. Carry on.
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someone else being too nerdy is just jealous they are not nerd enough. Nerd up, man!
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for my idea of Li as Shortround. Ye Gods, hear me and make it so.
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there is another - to quote Yoda
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only 41 years old
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Jet Li's an idiot. He turned down Jango Fett and he turned down a role in the Matrix. If it's not "The Jet Li Show" he's not interested.
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There needs to be Nazis. It ain't Indy without Nazis. I also, like the idea of gettin' Tom Selleck into it somehow. An old rival or something.
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He's 41, Ford was 41 when is started Indy. Flannery already played a young Indy and now he can come back again with the right age Indy for another movie series franchise. DAMN that would work. Frackin' genius it would be. Ford can play his dad and yell JUNIOR throughout the whole flick. I'd totally buy into that.
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I think Gilkuliehe just got nerd-served by superninja.
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so indy has seeded... a son he didn't know about until now... thus, he must come to terms with the fact... and that the boy is a faggot, too! who collects vintage hats... and likes the whip! but, at the receiving end.
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"I hate snakes, brother."
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That if they have to cast LaBouf then that's not so bad. I like him.
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Regarding the whole argument you have comparing Bond with Jones, and why recasting would work. Here's the thing, there are what, TWENTY ONE Bond movies with now five actors that have played the character. The Bond movies have been known for their recasting each decade or so. Indiana Jones has THREE movies, and Harrison Ford has been the lead in all of them. Sorry, there IS a big difference as to why recasting Indiana Jones would not work. The general public is attached to Ford as that character. His in carnation is an American icon. Bond movies again, are known for their very different portrayals of the character over the years. The only thing I could see happening is perhaps twenty years from now, when Paramount is in need of a new franchise, THEN they might take a shot at it. Regarding the son aspect, hey, if you want to be realistic... chances are Indy would have at least one son. Shia has charisma. I'm not saying I'm sold on having a son as a pivotal character... it depends on how they handle it. But Shia stands out because he's not just some pretty boy actor who's starred in a TV show. He has charisma and he's older than his years. People calling him a prick on Project Greenlight just don't get it. That's how the good actors are. They fight for their own portrayals of the characters they play. They question the authority telling them to do something that would not be in tune with their characters. All of the good actors are considered difficult at times.
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Here's a thought. Why would the son character have to be so young? Ford is in his sixties... so why not cast a talented actor that is in his thirties? Someone with even more range and presence that can be a believable side kick to Indy. Yeah, that Nathan guy from Firefly could work. Tons of other better actors for the part. The more I think about it, the more I'd hope they would shoot for that. Son? No problem. But he doesn't have to be a kid.
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an Oscar for Transformers.
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this point.
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Indy shows up at the factory and takes a shit in Andy Warhols can of soup then runs of with Sienna Miller. I'd pay to see that.
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actors that look like adult males. Casting Shia Labouf in everything.
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Indiana Jones cannot be recast successfully. The Bond movies can be recast successfully because they can make those things to infinity. There are so many stories that can be told about a secret agent, really the sky is the limit. And there are certainly a number of actors who can play tough, suave, funny, and charismatic. There are only so many Indiana Jones stories that are possible before you are completely rehashing things. Even with just a fourth installment they are having trouble making it unique. Each of the films is based on a religion: Raiders is Judaism, Temple of Doom is Hinduism, and Last Crusade is Christianity. How many more religions are out there that would work? My personal opinion is that they should base the fourth one in Mythology, that would be perfect and there are a couple of very well known artifacts that would fit well in the storyline. They're also running out of creatures: Raiders had the snakes, Temple of Doom had the bugs, and Last Crusade had the rats. What now? Who knows, but there are only so many that work. And there are only so many artifacts that are great enough to work for an Indiana Jones movie. And each movie has Indy basically saving the world by keeping each artifact out of the hands of a group bent on world domination. There are only so many times you can do that, and if they were to lower the stakes then they are changing the series. Plus there is one undeniable fact: Harrison Ford IS Indiana Jones. Nobody could be more perfect for that role. What Harrison Ford did with Indy is what only Harrison Ford can do. Anyone else would just be copying Harrison's interpretation. Lucas and Spielberg got lucky as hell when CBS wouldn't let Tom Selleck out of his contract. Selleck would have made a pretty good Indiana Jones, but he wouldn't have been the iconic character he ended up being as played by Harrison Ford. <p> Your age timeline is irrelevant by the way because Jet Li would be an awful choice for Short Round. Have you seen Temple of Doom? Short Round is a very upbeat and happy character, I have never seen Jet Li play either of those things. Thank God your a writer and not a casting director. Seriously, what were your reasons for suggesting Jet Li? Because he is Asian and well known? How about suggesting someone who can embody WHO Short Round is, not what he is.
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Indy can't be recast anymore than Luke Skywalker or Don Corleone can be - Harrison is Indy, and that's that. And yeah, it indicates to me lazy writing when you introduce new characters that are related to have the protagonist relate to - heck, I even think having Indy's dad in the third film was a bit contrived. But, looks like Chud confirmed this rumor today so it looks semi-legit....
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Who?
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The man can do no wrong!
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It's a symptom of bad screenwriting. It just means they have hit a dead-end for the main character, so they have to add additional characters for them to play off of. In Raiders, the whole thing is very personal for Indy from beginning to end. While it is a very straightforward film, it is extremely well-crafted (the screenplay is what I am referring to) and there is nothing wasted in the character's journey. Temple of Doom definitely took a step back, and Indy 3 was a fun romp, but the stakes didn't feel as personal despite the introduction of the dad. To be honest, I'm not sure they really had a lot left to say after Raiders.
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Or Buddhism. Or how about Indy finds the missing link? That could be about Evolutionism.
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cousin or something. Kids. Why did it have to be kids?
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animal sidekick? Maybe we are getting worked up over nothing, I mean, he could have no speaking part.
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the girl who played Sondra from the Cosby Show gets a big gig and you rag on her?
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FYI, I never said Indy should/could be cast. It was Triumph that said that. They could never replace Ford.
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the only way I'd like an Indy's son story is if his son was older. Like in his 30's maybe. I'd buy Nathan Fillion in the role.
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http://www.somethingawful.com/d/awful-movie-database/amdb-indiana-jones.php
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for their own kids, who are geniuses, of course. They always make kids ridiculously clever in these kinds of films to hold their own with the adults. No one writes them like they really are - dumb as a rock and mean as a snake!
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INDY AINT GOTS NO KIDS. HE LIKES CHICKS THAT SLURP AND BURP. WHIPS, MASKS AND CORPSES.
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Feb. 19, 2007, 11:17 p.m. CST
One9Deuce, regarding recasting and rebooting INDY...
by Triumph poops!
You said: "Indiana Jones cannot be recast successfully. The Bond movies can be recast successfully because they can make those things to infinity. There are so many stories that can be told about a secret agent, really the sky is the limit."<p>Sorry, but that argument doesn’t even make sense. Someone else simplified it all the way down to "You can recast Bond because people EXPECT it” (which for all intents is your argument, too). So I tell you what -- hop in Marty McFly's DeLorean and go back to when Connery was first filming his Bond films -- back to when GOLDFINGER or THUNDERBALL were first released and setting the global box office on complete fire --- find yourself some Bond fans, and ask them how much they love the idea of replacing Sean with a new lead actor. The point being that diehards will ALWAYS stomp their feet like little kids having a hissy fit and fall back on the emotional argument "But you CAN’T replace him! I love him in this role! Noooooo!" (Insert Darth Vader SITH moan here)<p>And to be honest, they replaced Connery AS they were making the films which was certainly far more chancey and potentially scarring or alienating to the movie-going audience since at that moment in time they were clearly in love with the fit of actor and character. But with Indy it’s the opposite. Now you've had a pretty damn long break in time -- nearly 20 years of Indiana Jones being OFF the screen -- so I’m willing to bet that moviegoers today WOULDN’T mind a casting change. In fact, I’d argue that BECAUSE they rotated Bond -- that is, with today’s moviegoers being as saavy as they are -- they'd simply look at that AS the template and shrug their shoulders and say “Sure, what the heck. Bring on a new guy. I wouldn’t mind seeing some new adventure movies, with someone new as Indy who’s in his prime and who I’d actually believe was doing the stunts. Ford's old and gray now. Hey, they replaced Bond and I bought into that, Daniel Craig proved he could kick ass as much as Pierce Brosnan, so why can’t there be a new Indiana Jones too?”<p>Sorry, but I honestly think people would feel that way -- which brings us full circle to my original post that TODAY'S teenagers (the backbone for movie attendance and bringing home the big box office bucks) DON’T have any emotional attachment to Ford. As I said it's been nearly 20 years since LAST CRUSADE premiered which means TODAY'S teens are only familiar with Ford in the role (Hell, with the character itself at this point) IF they ever bothered to watch the films on DVD or caught one of them being rerun on TV.<p>You know, this whole thing makes me think of a business friend of mine, who's in the Hollywood art end but who is younger. He'll tell you how big of a STAR WARS fan he is and how he LOVED the Prequels. He went to them over and over, bought all the toys, did all the usual fan geek stuff. One day we were having lunch and I mentioned something about A NEW HOPE and he casually said "I never saw it." I shook my head and said, "Wait a minute. You never saw it? But you go on and on about how you're such a huge SW fan. You've got all these toys all over your office. But you haven't seen the original?" And it turned out he hadn't seen ANY of the Original Trilogy. At which point, my jaw dropped as he said "Yeah, I guess I should rent those one day. Are they any good?"<p>My point being he's EXACTY what I'm talking about here. He's someone who loves geek films, but who embraced things that he saw as being part of HIS generation. To him STAR WARS is the prequels, not the originals. It seems wacky, but that's what I'm talking about --the frame of mind each generation brings to a set of films and how they claim them as "their own."<p>Bottom line: today's moviegoers are used to seeing a new Bond. Hell, soon today’s teens will even be seeing a new Captain Kirk -- that is, a Kirk for THEIR generation who ISN'T Shatner. TO today's teens THEIR Kirk will never be Shatner, it'll be the new guy. And let's face it, in comparison to Indy, that's about as "iconic" as you can get. So, yes, I think people DO accept change more now simply because they EXPECT to see change more now.<p>Anyway, I was just tossing an idea out, but I still think a reboot would be the better way to go. I think Lucas/Speilberg should do a Bond...pull a CASINO ROYALE...and launch a new set of Indy films with an all-new actor. Look, going back to the utterly lame and ridiculous argument that with the Bond films people "expect the role to get recast" THAT'S only true because at one point in time the producers DID pull the trigger and say "Hey, let's keep going, but with a new guy. Let's see where it takes us." They COULD have stopped making Bond movies once Connery was gone, they simply chose NOT to stop.<p>So let’s be honest here. Its not like Lucas and Speilberg couldn't make the exact same business decision or pull the exact same creative trigger and create a new Indiana Jones for a new generation.<p>In fact, remember this. In years past, back when they were first making the Ford films, Speilberg himself gave interviews and went on record as saying he thought Indiana Jones could always live on ala Bond. In short, Steven had it right 20 years ago...
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Indy has a long lost brother...and adventure has a new name...Thomas Magnum. Higgy Baby rides in the chopper with Dad and T.C. Hiyah!
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T2 kid when he was a smartass and robbed shit. Beyond "Swear you won't kill anyone" became annoying. I liked the Frog brothers from LOST BOYS, the savage brat from ROAD WARRIOR and Matilda from Leon. I also liked the kids from Signs, even they were unbelievable alternate universe smart mature kids. Wouldn't it be great if Indy's son turned out to be some really fucked up kid a la BUTCHER BOY? "Don't call me junior ya fedora wearing old piece of shite!"
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Sure Ford and Harnett didn't hit it off smoothly before but this is different. This is Indy, and Josh is clearly the only young star out there with "Fordesque" qualities.
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You also posted, "The Bond movies can be recast successfully because they can make those things to infinity. There are so many stories that can be told about a secret agent, really the sky is the limit. There are only so many Indiana Jones stories that are possible before you are completely rehashing things. Even with just a fourth installment they are having trouble making it unique."<p>Okay, first of all, I TOTALLY disagree with you on this. The sky is the limit with ANY franchise so long as you bring FRESH IDEAS to the table, plain and simple. Seriously, you have to freakin’ kidding me if you think that given the story starting point of "Indiana Jones: rugged, two-fisted, womanizing, globe-hopping professor, archeologist, and adventurer who goes treasure hunting for any and all types of artifacts against the backdrop of the World War II” that there are ONLY FOUR stories worth telling about him. That there can’t be anymore.<p>Tell you what, One9Deuce -- once David Koepp’s INDY 4 script reaches the screen, why don’t you track down and read Frank Darabont’s script which Spielberg LOVED so much that he declared it the BEST script ever since the original Raiders film (so of course Lucas shit-canned it) and get back to us. Because I’m sure Darabont’s script will prove there are FIVE good stories to be told. And once that dam has been broken, I’m sure there are six...or seven...or plenty more Indiana Jones tales that could be told. It's merely a question of a good STORY, that's all.
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You also said, “What Harrison Ford did with Indy is what only Harrison Ford can do. Anyone else would just be copying Harrison's interpretation. Lucas and Spielberg got lucky as hell when CBS wouldn't let Tom Selleck out of his contract. Selleck would have made a pretty good Indiana Jones, but he wouldn't have been the iconic character he ended up being as played by Harrison Ford."<p>Sorry, I disagree there, too. Look, in his prime I liked Ford as Indiana Jones -- I think he did a great job, no question -- but I would also argue that RAIDERS success was also due in a very large part to it being a product of its time. In other words as if often the case with movies, I think the “timing” for when RAIDERS came out and “how” the overall film was made -- that is, it’s tone and whatnot -- as well as the mood of the country and the moviegoing audiences of the time played every bit as big a deciding factor in making it the hit that it was. Bottom line: I think if Selleck had starred in the movie back then, right now we’d be having the SAME conversation about him about how “he” couldn‘t be replaced.<p>In fact, I’ll be ballsy here as a big Selleck fan. I think Selleck, back at that time and when he was in his prime, would have made a BETTER Indiana Jones than Harrison Ford. And in the back of his head for a moment in time Spielberg must’ve thought so too since after all Selleck was offered the role FIRST.
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A son? This seems extremely unnecessary. However, they're probably looking down the Pipe at Indy 5. Where Indy Jr. can save the world from Nazi's in the 60's while Ford can show up for a Cameo and walk around with an Umbrella and say stuff like "Jr.!!! Look what you did!" <p> But I have to ask, who the hell his She-Ra Le Beef? I never heard of him before Transformers, and now he's in TF and Indy? <p> Is he like Speilberg's boy toy or something? It just doesn't make sense.... <p> As someone else said, this movie is 2 years away, and I'm already tired of it. They missed the boat. This should have COME OUT in 2000. It's too little, too late. At this point I'd rather it NOT be made at all.
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As I said above, the idea of a son is rather silly.. But it <b>could</b> be worse.... <p> Not sure how many remember a false rumour back a few years ago that said Indy's soon to be wife would be abducted by aliens minutes before (or after?) their wedding. <p> Could you even comprehend that shit? much less imagine it?
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best thing on this website.... after myself that is. I just skip everyone elses posts and read yackbackers.
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Good about young Indy saying '"That belongs in a museum!" in TLC. I agree that doesn't entirely with Raiders... I suppose you could say that young Indy was pretty idealistic at this point (as shown in the TV show as well) - and he lost that idealism slightly over the years up to TOD. But we're reaching. Certainly Spielberg has always dealt with absent fathers in all of his films - it's probably his most obvious thematic 'macguffin'. Regarding Jones wearing the hat around campus, don't forget that wearing a Fedora was pretty standard practice in these times - at least in that part of the world. It would have looked more unusual if he didn't wear a fedora. Think about 'The Untouchables' - that was pretty much the standard outfits (although less stylized) for people of Indy's class at the time. As for TOD not being a prequel, I suppose you could make that distinction! Casting wise, Jet Li would not be a complete disaster, but lets offer the role to Jon Ke Huan first. And I want Marion back in a bigger role than just a cameo. I met her last year, and she still looks great, so no worries there....
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bad, just bad. Let it go Indy...
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Okay, that's it. I'm fucking done with this. Shia LaWhogivesashit plays the same sniveling idiot in every movie he's in. If any of you champs saw the season of Project Greenlight he was in, you'd for a fucking fact not want him anywhere near this. I don't want it, I don't need it. Last Crusade was 20 years ago. Let. It. Die.
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Can you say OVERUSED and OVERATED? The kid has no acting range whatsoever. He is simply ANNOYING to watch. He is just as overused as that No-Talent, Metro, Stoolpusher Ryan Seacrest.
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With Lauren Bacall as Willie Scott!
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Feb. 20, 2007, 9:49 a.m. CST
How come Spielberg can't just make CAPTAIN AMERICA???
by CarmillaVonDoom
Adding kids into the mix is getting ridiculous...apparently now Wolverine has a son (check out Wolverine: Origins #10...or DON'T, Dillons art sucks)
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what a piece of piss. why not cast Brendan Fraser, change the name, and add a "supernatural" element like a reincarnated Egyptian Mummy or something? or, if they want to blow a massive budget, cast that Matthew McCauloheyheyheynoideawhatthesurnameisbut itwashimthatwasinContact, change the name from Indy to something else and have him twat around looking for a boat in a desert?
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makes me think of a possible interpretation of "connected"...mmmmmhhhh.I must confess that I've never consciously heard of Shia LaBeouf before (My first thought was that this would be the reboot of that Indian model rumor).Interesting quasi information via Mori's reliable sources... <br> I'm glad there's someone named Quint at AICN who's getting excited about Indy IV. It seems to be age related. One of my old theories. <br> btw: Dropping Nathan Fillion's name in an IndyIV talkback equals FIRST.
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I'm rather glad that Mori hasn't posted a script review of the Darabont draft yet. On the other hand...I didn't have to read it... I don't know... It's a special thing with those script reviews...
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He find the Ark, tries selling it to these shady criminals, things get crazy, Chester Copperpot is called to help save the day, only to become greedy. Indiana Jones is hired to recover the Ark and blow the lid off of the Copperpot artifact market. Of course, the last shot is Copperpot giving up and saying that he is going to look into One-Eyed Willy. Could Willy really be Spielberg's wife in a eye patch? Gasp!
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I still prefer that one. I mean, the dramatic potential!
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stay away from comedies - he's a ham.
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In the newest Indiana Jones movie, they should bring the character of Short Round back, but have him portrayed by YAO MING. How ironic would it be that "Short Round" is now a 7 ft tall monster (whose English will actually be worse than when he was a kid)
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Fucking twat.
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Not now, at least not with Lucas around since it seems he's the one holding things up continually. And not with old man Ford still playing him. They've got to do to Indiana what they did with Bond. Tsk-tsk-tsk...name-calling doesn't make ya right HarryBlackPotter...
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Amidst all the falderal of rumors and anger and sarcasm, it's almost like an Indy movie itself is being played out. The quest is: the plot's truth. I saw the "Beast of Yucca Flats," and I thought it was a great flick. In fact, it's one of the influences on my big photography and script writing hobbies. I've also been an Indiana Jones fan since "Raiders." So much so I got the excact same fedora hat Indy wears (no adventure is complete wihtout it) and the exact same 10 foot, David Morgan bullwhip Ford uses in all three films, and became adept with it. Unfortunately, I recently had to sell the bullwhip to pay off college loans, as I had to stop attending due to poor health. But, returning to "colemanfrancis," everyone here is hot and bothered, they're going at it like everybody in Petra in IJ&TLC in the traps sequences. They aren't like Indy who goes slow... with a... guidebook... of the father... who's been at it awhile... who might have some missing information... who might have answers needed... The plot twist of "Indy's younger brother" would keep in staying with the plot line from "Young Indiana Chronicles" that said he only had a daughter. And it would give an opportunity for some interesting comedy for Henry Sr. to come back a second time and explain how this may have occured (besides the obvious, I mean). My thanks to "colemanfrancis" for posting, and thanks for the "Beast of Yucca Flats" - and the other films of Yucca Flats, as well.
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GodDAMN you write long posts. Anyway, I can tell you why you are completely wrong with one short sentence: Bond is the ONLY franchise to run that long successfully. Period. Nothing else. Nothing else even close. It's different in that the character has traits that aren't totally unique to a specific actor. <p> Tom Selleck over Harrison Ford? Harrison Ford has been in at least 10 all-time classics. Tom Selleck? None, nil, zero. Tom just doesn't have the all-world charisma that the biggest stars do in their prime. <p> I'm not interested in making any more posts about why Indiana Jones can't successfully be recast, you'll eventually see that I'm right. Just remember I said it.
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A TRUE SEQUEL to "Last Crudsade" based on the events in the Petra temple: 1. Grail falls into casm knocked off by Ursa (blonde haird spy woman both Henry Sr./Jr. did the deed with - Henry Sr. 1st); 2. Ursa fals into chasm WITH GRAIL and NO SMASHING body sound heard... HMM. Temple falls to pieces (we think), heroes make their escapes, old knight left behind to guard what??? And cut to the sunset ride off... NOW: Years later. Plot line. MY Best Educated GUESS as a practiced storywriter: Ursa actually SURVIVED thanks to the GRAIL coming into her possession (somehow) the base of the chasm with some (probably) water to drink. At the time of her fall, she was PREGNANT by HENRY, SR. ("Ships that pass in the night?" Anybody?) Until the point in the movie WE pick up, she raises her son for a short time in Petra (Lost City/Temple), then on her own or with another husband in another country or, hey, maybe even America, who knows, point is, Indy doesn't know he has a HALF-BROTHER. Throw in the rest of the Indy Trilogy cast sans Marcus Brody (unless by post-mortem CGI, Denholm Eliott is gone), fill in the rest of the script with a rousing tale base on the McCarthy Era, and Communism and Bolshevicks in Russia with oh... Could Rasputin be in this? That's Occultish... Nevermind. Anyway, I'm actually quite interested to see how this all turns out...:-)
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INDY'S DAD: Damnit Junior why didn't you tell me you had a little bastard running around the world?! INDY: I DIDN'T KNOW DAD! BASTARD CHILD: AT LEAST YOU KNEW YOUR DAD....OH NO THE NAZIS! INDY: NAZIS?! I hate those guys. NAZI: Sooooooo Doctor Jones I zee you have found your bastard son. Too bad this little family reunion will not last much longer. Put them in zee pit! *INDY, his DAD, and the BASTARD are thrown into a pit* INDY: Snakes?! Why did it have to be snakes?! *BASTARD CHILD IS STRUCK BY THE FANGS OF A GIANT POISONOUS ASP* BASTARD CHILD: Oh father..I'm sorry I was so angry I let it get in the way of telling you.... INDY: Don't say it kid! Hang on now boy...I'll save you..I'll find a way... INDY'S DAD: JUNIOR! I know what to do! We have to get the Cup of Christ! The Holy Grail! It will save him! INDY: That was the last movie Dad! INDY'S DAD: Oh..well then what is this movie about? INDY: Finding my bastard child so there can be more sequels Dad! So Bastard you can't die! I don't how but I wll save you! WILL INDY SAVE THE BASTARD CHILD? WILL GEORGE LUCAS MAKE THEM REWRITE THE SCRIPT AGAIN? FIND OUT IN THE SUMMER OF WHATEVER YEAR THIS SEQUEL COMES OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!
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"Poisonous Asp" I don't know why but i was laughing my ass off.
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I hope to all things holy that you aren't David Koepp.
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And go into a tailspin of denial? No, Shia will be GREAT! They don't understand! And that scene where INDY passes over the fedora at the end -- OK, they saw that coming, but it'll be GREAT! They'll love it! They don't understand! THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND!
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How about we ALL reserve judgment until AFTER having seen the film? What a novel idea, ay? Now, that being said......INDY 4 WILL OWN ALL YOUR ASSES, BABY!!!
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Such a thing is not even possible...I think.
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IT'S SCRUM-DIDDLY-UMPTIOUS!!!
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Hey!! It COULD happen.
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not on AICN...
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Doesn't making an Indy IV with Ford already have ENOUGH innate challenges to overcome without adding in Shia LaBark as his son or sidekick wor whatever? <p> Look, I'm willing to give this shit the benefit of the doubt until it actually goes into production (something else I'll believe when I actually SEE it!) Because unlike that Transformers travesty LaBark is in, this film at least doesn't have a HACK directing it and the screenwriter has a half-decent rep, which is far more than I can say for whomever penned that leaked TF script. As Chunk said: HOO-LEH!!
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I don't remember who said it up there but ku-fuckin-dos for the laugh.
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Jones: "There aren't gonna be any damned permits! How can you get a permit to do a damned illegal thing? Look, price you name, money I got."
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http://www.aintitcool.com/node/31110 <p>A number of the original posters have since been banned and their messages gone forever with them, but there's plenty of gems left in there. <p> Just don't go trying to post nothin. Them mods don't approve of that sorta thing.
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DAMN YOU MICHAEL BAY!<p>DAMN YOU SPIELBERG! <p> DAMN YOU SHIA LABIRTH!
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Come on, you could see it now. Indy in an old folks home, severe incontenance. And some ex-Nazi in the same home slips him some Ex-lax. It's like Indiana Jones meets the odd couple. Add in She-ra Lebeef as his ungratefull kid who never calls or visits. And you have a script that pretty much writes itself. Add Eddy Murphy and several thousand fat jokes, and fart jokes. And you have a sure fire shit, err I mean hit..
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Vagina LeBeef is a fucking toolbag. I wish I could say he will ruin Transformers, but Bay has already took a big enough steamer all over that film to the point that Vagina LeBeef couldn't possibly do any more to it. However casting him in Indy4 will be the pure and simple DOOM for that film. Fucking Hollywood twats that want to inject "hipness" and "youth market targeting" into movies that they should stay the fuck out of. I can only hope that one of the Transformers throws a tantrum during re-shoots and pulls Vagina LeBeef apart on his way out for an oil change. The Transformers are real aren't they?
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No, your idea of adding Jet fucking Li, Jackie Chan, Magnum and Quaid IS NOT A GOOD FUCKING IDEA. You might have a future in Hollywood as one of the brainless suits though. You should apply.... And as for not showing Aliens running around and destroying things in WOTW, I suggest you read the book, fuckstick, as that's the way it was and should be, it was about the people not the Monsters. You want Aliens as you suggest, then go rent Independance Day.
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You're only a Selleck fan because you think that one day he'll swing into your life and kiss you like he did Kevin Klein. "Better than Harrison as Indy"...fucking douchebag....
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It had an annoying kid in it.
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was a crappy Disney Channel movie called "Tru Confessions" where he plays a retarded kid who in addition to being retarded, overacts, and comes off as a twat.
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or Jerry Maguire,<p>or Agent Cody Banks<p> or Last Action Hero<p> or the "Shia leBarf True Hollywood Story!"<p>or did you just see a special sneak preview of Bay's Transformers movie?
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I bet whatever amount of that LeBouf "movie" you watched had you in even more pain than being impaled on those spears in South America back in '36, huh? <p><p>(there, I made an Indy reference, ok?)
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If there's a part in this new movie where some guy walks into a room and say, "Jones!" And all three of them raise their heads and say, "Yes?" Awful. And after having just typed that, I know it will come to pass.
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or maybe you'd prefer "Same Indiana Jones. Just Six-Times Indiana-Jones-ier" or the perennial favorite: "George Lucas / Steven Spielberg / Michael Bay / whoever the fuck else - is raping my childhood / grandmother / the family dog / whatever! You all know you're gonna see the motherfucking thing when it comes out, because you're all the same fanboy whores who cream yourselves every time there's so much as a RUMOR of some kind of movement on Indy of any kind; It's the same effect we all saw a few years ago when George 'toy boy' Lucas (props to Kevin Smith for that one) made the much-maligned prequel trilogy.
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like Joaquin Phoenix.
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His son would be Henry "Indiana" Jones the third. So anyone know where to find a copy of the "homemade" Raiders movie those kids did? I'm way more interested in seeing that.
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So I don't think this is a horrible idea. But to combat the over-the-top hatred, I must become a FACE EATING ZEALOT FOR THE CAUSE! Shia IS Indiana Jones! Replace all of Harrison's scenes in the old movies with Shia LaBeouf! You can do it Lucas, you've done it before! I believe in you!
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What the hell? He ruins every movie that he's in! I cannot stand this kid! I will not be seeing this movie.
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I hate it.
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shia = SH!t
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shia = SH!t
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I saw this on another site. Someone said that Shia's character is the son of the student that had "I Love" and "You" written on her eyelids because you just KNOW Indy hit that.
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I can't stand that lil kid from legend of zorro. "Nobody messes with my papi!" Just kick him!
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It’s pretty popular today to have a major Jewish character in TV shows and films (but not, say, Asians or Hispanics, who nonetheless easily outnumber Jews in the U.S respectively – when will they get the same attention in "liberal" Hollywood?), but Indy and family have been presented as Christians. Will Shia be Indy’s Jewish son to add that angle to the series? Spielberg certainly seems top want to do projects that incorporate his heritage and childhood predilections, and Shia, especially when he was younger, looks a lot like a young Spielberg. Coincidence?
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Didn't he have a daughter in the Young Indy Chronicles?? Maybe Shia will be in drag
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someone said there had been 20 bond films... yea but there were what 6 actors playing James Bond? i think the ship has flown on that concept... Milius wanted to do it with Schwarzenegger in the Conan role and it would have been great to have that. but Indy and the original Star Wars should have kept on in their hey days... nowadays these movies just pale in comparison to the originals. Romero was not nearly as edgy in Land of the Dead as he was in Dawn of the Dead, the Star Wars prequels... uggh. that was 3 flicks so poorly conceived... and whats worse is by Episode 3 everything looked like it was ready to make some Star Wars movies, but now its 20 more years or never. the script was still bad and jarring, had nothing much to say. i dont know... even Indy Jones original sequels were great ot see the character but not really important in the stories they told. i would rather Lucas do something new... maybe thats what he needs.
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They named the dog Indiana...so Harrison's son would be Indy III
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I don't trust Lucas and SPielberg anymore. SInce I heard Spielberg saying that ROTS was the "greatest conclusion" the Star Wars Saga could have asked for I feel like they try to fool us !!!!!
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... oh dear... This is all so very bad.
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