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Aaron Eckhart! Harvey Dent! It's True!

Okay. Yes. It’s true. As rumored for the last few weeks, Aaron Eckhart appears to be in final negotiations to play Harvey Dent in THE DARK KNIGHT, which most likely means we can expect to see him appear as Two-Face in whatever the Batman film after that is called. The Hollywood Reporter was the first trade to confirm the story, but I don’t think anyone was terribly surprised. I think it’s a great choice. I’m sitting here watching the extra features on the PRESTIGE DVD, and all I can say about Batman and Nolan is that I have total trust in this filmmaker at this point. He seems to be on a creative roll right now, and I’m excited to see what he does with his first sequel. I’m not jumping up and down just because it’s over a year away, and there’s a lot of great stuff coming out between now and then. I’m sure that first glimpse of The Joker will send me into a fanboy overload, but for now, this news just continues to reassure me that the property is in the right hands.

Drew McWeeny, Los Angeles

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  • Feb. 15, 2007, 10:36 p.m. CST

    Hot damn!

    by StrideX13

    Let's DO this! 2008 here we come...

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 10:36 p.m. CST


    by Fing Fang Foom


  • Feb. 15, 2007, 10:37 p.m. CST

    Excellent choice!

    by Dark Knight Lite

    C'mon 2008!!!

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 10:40 p.m. CST

    Don't let the "meh" fool you

    by Fing Fang Foom

    Loved Begins - Very Excited for Dark Knight. I like Eckhart but i just can't see him carrying the movie villian role in the third film. Perphaps he'll be in cahoots with someone else.

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 10:43 p.m. CST

    Damn, was hoping for Guy Pearce

    by Doc_Strange

    Pearce just has the look, plus he's done some really good bad guy roles. Too bad, was a missed opportunity in my opinion, but then again, I just caught The Prestige. It had to be one of the best movies of 06.

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 10:44 p.m. CST

    There is another 2face out there...

    by jewican

    how crazy is it that I wanted Val Kilmer for this role....

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 10:44 p.m. CST

    Nolan will screw it up.

    by Style_92

    Learn from history, fanboys. After Batman 89, Burton was called "The man who saved Batman." After Returns, most eschewed him, feeling he had gotten too dark and was missing the point of Batman with that killing and stuff. <br> Then, loathe as we all are to admit it now, Even Joel Schumacker was once hailed. He pulled back, and made a Batman movie that at least was kinda fun to watch with Forever, and it pulled the franchise out of a financial slump, topping the numbers of the second one and getting closer to the first one. We all know what happened next.<br> I'm just saying, don't think Nolan won't screw this up. It seems that these directors that get a second turn "At Bat" make their second film to personally connected, and start screwing it up.<br> What could go wrong? remember how Scarecrow and Ra's al Ghul were "plain clothes" in Begins? Don't you think it would suck balls if they did the same with Joker?

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 10:45 p.m. CST

    Fing Fang Foom

    by hooties mcboob

    You are bang on when you say you can't see Eckhart carrying the villain role for #3. I am disappointed with this news simply because I have been impressed with Eckhart ZERO times. I really hope #3 will have Penguin or Riddler to take away from two-faces screen time.

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 10:48 p.m. CST

    Great choice!

    by Trancer

    Eckhart is a great actor (watch "Thank You for Smoking" to get some idea of his talents). He and Bale will play really well off each other.

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 10:57 p.m. CST


    by Itblowstherobot

    The Joker is *always* plain clothes. He's wearing a purple suit, that's really about it. Personally, I'd kind of like to see him as Tyler Durden stylewise but surgically scarred.

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 10:59 p.m. CST

    cue the morons

    by BadMrWonka

    complaining this was on their sister's dentist's blog yesterday old people complaining about food at Denny's, it's an inevitability...

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 11 p.m. CST

    cool choice

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    altho i cant help but be a little disappointed. i just feel like there's someone better out there. and ill never get my dream casting of Ray Liota as the Joker, will i? or ED Norton as Two Face...sigh. oh well, could be worse :)

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 11:01 p.m. CST

    F yes

    by T 1000 xp professional

    i'm pretty psyched about this....yes, this is very reassuring. The Nolan's are geniuses and I trust geniuses.

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 11:01 p.m. CST

    "Get me Eckhart!" (Batman '89)

    by amrisharmpit

    A bit of foreshadowing with that line, eh? Seriously, this is an outstanding choice. I think it's one of the best castings in Batman movie history, on par with Bale.

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 11:01 p.m. CST

    Great casting!

    by BLWiseass

    Count me in on this one. I think he's the first male main charachter who is not british or australian in the series

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 11:03 p.m. CST


    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    im really hoping that she gets written out all together. can we have just 1 batman film without a fucking love interest? is that asking too much? no one cares and we all know nothing will come of it anyways

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 11:03 p.m. CST


    by Itblowstherobot

    Nolan is a different director than Burton and Schumacher. Is he better? I'd say definitely. I think that he has a fundamental understanding of Batman (as evidenced by Begins). Stylistically he fits in with Batman better than the other directors. He's also not a guy who seems to inject the personal into his work (unlike Burton and Schumacher)

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 11:02 p.m. CST


    by Fing Fang Foom

    I'm sure they'll be 2 villains in #3. Besides the obvious, who are other cool less-known villians?

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 11:03 p.m. CST

    If Maggie is the new Rachel

    by Ridge

    Then I TOTALLY buy Rachel as the Assistant DA. Something I never could do with Katie.

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 11:04 p.m. CST

    agreed abotu Ray Liotta

    by BLWiseass

    the "am i funny like a clown here to amuse you" scene in Goodfellas where he just keeps laughing always made me think of the joker

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 11:05 p.m. CST

    Interesting theory

    by Pr_Frink

    Not sure how others screwing up their second go around at a Batman movie means that Nolan will screw this up. And also, neither of Schumachers were good. I'm just saying that it's a flawed theory with nothing to ground it. Give him a chance.

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 11:05 p.m. CST

    "Hey Eckhart! Think about the future...!"

    by Osmosis Jones


  • Feb. 15, 2007, 11:06 p.m. CST

    Love it.

    by El Scorcho

    Love it.

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 11:08 p.m. CST


    by El Scorcho

    am I the only one who thinks Maggie Gyllenhaal looks eerily like Katie Holmes at times? I've never liked Maggie (quite homely), but I think they picked a perfect replacement for holmes.

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 11:08 p.m. CST

    Itblowstherobot: Not really.

    by Style_92

    Itblowstherobot: Not really. He's got the white clown face and purple suit. What I'm talking about is, what if he just has truly normal clothes and no clown face?<br> ranma627: Those comments apply as well or better to Tim Burton. And look at how people now deride his Batfilms. <br> Personally, I think Begins is way overrated. It's not a bad Batman movie, just way the hell overrated.

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 11:13 p.m. CST

    Joker's gonna suck, you watch.

    by kintar0

    Here's my prediction: He won't have green hair, he'll have slicked-back blond hair that's tinted green, kinda like when a blonde spends too much time in the pool. He won't have white skin, per se, but blotchy, hastily caked on pancake makeup. His lips will be red, lipstick, but smeared across his mouth. He'll have dark Goth eyes. Overall, his makeup will be messy. His outfit will be all velour, velvet, dark, dark purple and green, the purple almost black. He'll have Batman Returns Penguin black teeth. The Joker as the Crow. It's gonna be awful. And the Batsuit will suck as usual.

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 11:13 p.m. CST

    Maggie is so hot you fool

    by arrangedletters

    My God man have you ever dated?

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Great casting.

    by Barry Egan

    Anybody who doesn't think Eckhardt can't be a villain hasn't seen In the Company of Men.

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 11:16 p.m. CST


    by Itblowstherobot

    I actually would have liked Ray Liotta for Two-Face, but I think he's a little old.

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 11:17 p.m. CST

    I'm keeping the faith

    by tylerfullltilt

    I think the thing that made begins so successful was how they found a way to ground batman in reality. It would be a shame to see them break from that in the second one.

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 11:18 p.m. CST

    Excellent Choice!

    by Ratphink

    Eckhart's a great choice, still not sold on Ledger though. Apart from Mrs Cruise, the 1st had soild casting all around, so I'm pretty optimistic.

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 11:18 p.m. CST

    Eckhart is a great choice

    by MultiplyingVillanies

    He was a cold bastard in The Company of Men and he's got as good a screen presence as Bale. Def. better than Tommy Jones who hammed it up horribly

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 11:19 p.m. CST

    Liotta's laugh

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    is exactly why he would be an awesome joker. that and he just has a crazy face. funny cuz ive wanted this casting forever and just recntly found out that liotta was burtons first choice for the joker when he signed on for batman. so close yet so far ;P

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 11:21 p.m. CST


    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    yeah i agree he would be a great 2 face. i dont think age would hinder that at all and i was really pulling for him or norton to get the role. eckharts a good choice tho. im not complaining. just fanboy dreams die hard

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 11:21 p.m. CST


    by Itblowstherobot

    I see what you're saying, I just don't see it happening. Have you checked out the batman-on-film concept art? I'll agree, Begins is not a great film, but what it did was get me excited about the possibility of what comes next. I walked out of the movie with a lot of excitement about the Joker and the future of the franchise.

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 11:21 p.m. CST

    Maggie Gyllenhaal is a goblin...

    by ZsAsZz

    Don't get me wrong, Katie Holmes is a nut-job, but at least I could believe Bruce Wayne would go for her. Maggie has a face that looks like it's melting sometimes. You can tell exactly what her face will look like in twenty years because it's already there. She nasty.

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 11:22 p.m. CST

    Not plain clothes

    by Green Arrow

    Remember the conversation between Batman and Gordon at the end of Begins? Escalation...You wear a mask...taste of the theatrical, like yourself... I don't think we will have a plain clothes Joker, but I don't think he will be so obviously over the top like Nicholson was either. And Nolan is good. I think we are in for a wild ride so long as he stays with the franchise.

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 11:22 p.m. CST


    by IForgotAbout19

    The best batman movie so far: Mask of the Phantasm. Burton, Schumacker, and Noalan are just all going to have to suck the balls of Bruce Timm. He's done the best of any of them so far at bringing batman to life. And it's no lie that Mark Hammil defines joker. Although I just recently saw Blue Velvet, and Brad Dourif has sure as hell got the cackle and look for it...

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 11:23 p.m. CST

    The Batman gods are thanking Nolan and Bale



  • Feb. 15, 2007, 11:30 p.m. CST

    I was kinda hoping for Ben Affleck in there..

    by JAGUART

    Like say, a men's room attendant.

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 11:30 p.m. CST


    by caravaggio

    go clippers!

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 11:35 p.m. CST

    Hmmm, an interesting choice.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Nolan seems to have a knack for unusual casting choices. But I think the way he chooses to portray his characters (i.e. Batman Begins) is what helps to make those choices inspired. Much like Ledger, it will be interesting to see what Eckhart can do with the role.<P>Oh, and more Tumbler please. ;^)

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 11:36 p.m. CST

    And somewhere out there...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...moviemack stirs.

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 11:36 p.m. CST

    The concept art for Joker

    by Itblowstherobot

    There was an interview with Lee Bermejo (a Batman artist, and he gave this image of the Joker that I liked but didn't love:

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 11:38 p.m. CST

    Great Choice

    by F StopBlues

    Great casting, I would have loved to seen Liev Schreiber given a shot, but Eckhart will do a fantastic job.

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 11:38 p.m. CST

    This movie will be the greatest Batman movie ever.

    by Doctor_Sin

    I love how this series is going and I hope it never ends.

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 11:40 p.m. CST

    agree about the Company of Men comment

    by oisin5199

    and really, any of his appearances in Neil LaBute films. I think he'll be an excellent 2Face, a lot better than Phillipe. And I also applaud the casting of Maggie Gyllenhall (if that's true). I also could buy her as an assistant DA. Now if only Nolan could go back and reshoot the scenes in BB and edit Maggie over Holmes, then it would be perfect. And anyone who thinks Maggie Gylenhall is not hot hasn't seen Donnie Darko (especially her Halloween outfit) or Secretary.

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 11:41 p.m. CST

    concept art for Joker

    by oisin5199

    that image is seriously fucking twisted. I love it.

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 11:47 p.m. CST

    RE: Joker Concept Art

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Damn. That Joker looks like he got himself a Chelsea Grin.

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 11:48 p.m. CST

    If Miss Scientology isn't coming back...

    by Dr Gregory House

    ...just kill off the character. Rachel Dawes didn't bother me in 'Begins'. However, re-casting for the role DOES bother me. Just write her out of the damn script. Say she was 'whacked' by one of the Asylum escapees or something. Further fuel Batman's motivation. PLEASE Nolans! No re-casting of characters!!!

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 11:49 p.m. CST

    Excellent casting but I hate Nolans teflon image.

    by IndustryKiller!

    nobody should get a free pass like that guy does on this site. I think Nolan is very talented but his last three films have not been flawless. i just hope he doesn't de-fang the Joker in this one like he did to the Scarecrow and Ras Al Ghul in the first. Now before you all kill me Ill say it doesnt sound at all from his and Ledgers comments like hes going to but for the sake of not having my soul crushed if it happens I'm going to remain skeptical. I really hope they dont fuck the look of him up. What Kintaro says above sounds a little too possible. And that picture of supposed "concept art" posted above is just plain god awful. If thats the route Nolan goes it'll be as much an invention of the character as anything Schumacher did.

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 11:52 p.m. CST

    Yeah, Batman needs more motivation...

    by kintar0

    just like he needs a girlfriend in the first place. Here's another predicition: another Batmobile that looks nothing like the Batmobile, more eye makeup, more comedy relief Gordon and more corny dialogue.

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 11:52 p.m. CST



    Obviously has a big role in the movie otherwise Nolan would've been written her out the script... <p> I've been hearing a lot of people hoping Nolan wouldn't go the "Love Triangle" route with Bruce, Rachel, and Dent.... <p> I highly doubt that'll be the case... A love triangle doesn't seem to fit within the context of Nolan's vision... At least from my perspective...

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 11:54 p.m. CST



    The script was written by Nolan's brother with revisions by Nolan so lets hope that Goyer's "corny" dialogue made its way out the script this time around...

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 11:54 p.m. CST


    by torontoxic

    I'll be pissed. She is fuckin ugly. It'll soil the whole thing.

  • Feb. 15, 2007, 11:56 p.m. CST



    I'm a huge fan... soooo what.... ^_^

  • Feb. 16, 2007, midnight CST

    Nolan is the darling of geeks everywhere!

    by hooties mcboob

    Even though I think this choice is wrong, I also know that come first viewing of the film myself and all nay sayers will be eating our words. Nolan cannot put a foot wrong and if he visualises Eckhart in this role, I damn well trust him. And on the Maggie Gyllenhall topic, please cast this hot hot woman. And why not cast her man, Peter Sarsgaard. I have to say I was watching him on an old SNL rerun the other day and I though he was menacing enough to pass as Harvey Dent too

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 12:13 a.m. CST

    Joker Concept Art

    by SmapdiOverdrive

    The Joker concept art has me very intrigued. While I hope it is not 100 percent final, I do like the direction it is going in.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 12:22 a.m. CST


    by carrotjuice

    is anyone else sick of people knocking begins? people must forget how important the relationship between dent, gordon, and batman is. it is essential in the history of batman. the simple fact that nolan is doing this makes him the best candidate for directing. his casting is nearly flawless. the only thing i have seen that is questionable thus far is katie holmes, and thats already been taken care. aaron eckhart is perfect for this role. it will be a defining role for him, just as the joker will be for ledger. and just as batman is and will continue to be for bale. eckhart and ledger are phenomenal actors. this movie is going to be amazing. and gyllenhaal is very very good actress aswell...leaps and bounds ahead of holmes anyway. and i can almost guarantee that joker will kill the rachel dawes character in TDK. its already been mentioned on BOF. and if you read the killing joke (the one book heath ledger was given to study) you would understand why. speaking of which. i suggest many of you go read some classic batman graphic novels or series. then maybe you will learn to appreciate nolans batman. the man is doing a damn fine job if you ask me.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 12:23 a.m. CST

    Eckhart needs to be Captain America

    by superninja

    That is all.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 12:26 a.m. CST

    Yeah, because Batman Begins is SO...

    by kintar0

    close to those "classic batman graphic novels or series." Better yet, go read some "classic batman graphic novels or series" and you will to appreciate how truly bad Nolan's Batman film was.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 12:27 a.m. CST

    The Joker doesn't need to be overly grotesque

    by superninja

    It's much more menacing to have the actor have to draw that out than have it plastered all over his face.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 12:33 a.m. CST

    Missing an opportunity here....

    by Hairy Nutsack

    Okay this really is a minor thing, but wouldn't it be cool if Two Face appeared in the SECOND film, just sayin'. I remember when Lando was supposed to be Two-Face in Burton's second film and I thought that was much for that.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 12:33 a.m. CST

    Rachael in Dark Knight...

    by movieman742

    Isn't she suppose to be killed off in the first act? Somewhere in the very beginning I've heard. I like both the casting options. Still would have liked Liev Schriber for Dent.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 12:37 a.m. CST

    youre right

    by carrotjuice

    ive watched so many comic movies that have been 100% loyal to the comics from which they came. oh wait, no i havent. cause it isnt possible. lets see here im pretty sure ive read more than one two face origin, and more than one batman origin, and more than one robin origin. even if nolan did stick with one story...lets take the long halloween for example...there would be so much that is key to batman that is left out. thats thing about film, and the thing that nolan is doing so well, there isnt a whole lot of room to work with. because its a FUCKING MOVIE. nolan is doing a damn good job of getting the basics in there. tim burton pretty much did a shitpoor job at that.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 12:42 a.m. CST

    What's "key" in Long Halloween that's left out?

    by kintar0

    You're babbling, you don't even know what you're talking about. There isn't a whole lot of room to work with? You show a total lack of understanding of comic books. Fool.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 12:52 a.m. CST


    by carrotjuice

    im pretty sure you arent understanding what im saying here. and im pretty sure youre showing a total lack of understanding of film. how can you take an entire movie franchise and make it completely loyal to a comic book character. especially when its a character like batman that has so many stories arent always 100 percent concistent with other stories. theyre making a movie here....not a word for word comic book adaptation. it would be stupid for them to do so. sin city was about as close as its ever gotten and it wasnt even close. and dont tell me i have a lack of comic book understanding from reading one post. go back down to your parents basement and play world of warcraft please. or at least think before you talk. it isnt easy goin from comic books to film. they are two mediums that demand very different things. its really hard for movies to be anywhere near as detailed as comics. and you have to realize to that these movies are huge blockbuster films that are reaching more than just fanboys like you and i, but also stupid jocks that dont know shit about batman. you have to give these guys some slack. all im sayin is considering what nolan has to work...just the fact that he has to put batman on screen...hes doing a damn fine job. suck it!

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 12:55 a.m. CST

    Strangeco is dead on

    by IndustryKiller!

    About The Prestige. That ending was a complete cop out. I am not saying you cant like it, you are more than welcome to and I dont think you are wrong for doing so, but from a storytelling standpoint its cheating. Imagine if at the end of Saving Private Ryan, As Tom Hanks is dying Ryan is about to get shot by a Nazi soldier, with his last breath Hanks summons a dragon that swoops from the heavens and kills the Nazis. Ridiculous right? Well thats exactly the kind of out of nowhere sentiment that The Prestige ended on. And saying "but they showed you the hats to set you up for it!" doesn't excuse it. yes they did show us the hats and I knew immediately what they meant, but it was already too late int eh film to be introducing some wonderous cloning machine. All That is also ignoring the fact of the coincidence that Bale, while trying to send Jackman on a wild goose chase, just HAPPENS to send him to the one place on Earth where an electic cloning machine is possible. Nolan invented his own logic to end the film, or hell maybe the writer of the book did, whoever did it was cheating. For another example of this magical logic inventor check out every five minutes of Lady in the Water.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 12:58 a.m. CST


    by drew mcweeny

    ... that is not concept art from the movie. At all. That guy isn't working on the film. He doesn't have any connection to the film. Do not base any of your expectations on those drawings. That's just one comic artist saying, "Wouldn't it be neat if..?"

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 1 a.m. CST

    "Who's in charge?" "Eckhart, sir." "Oh, my god."

    by GreatWhiteNoise

    Pat Hingle... you, sir, were correct.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 1:04 a.m. CST

    RE: The Prestige.....

    by Hairy Nutsack

    I got the impression that Bale went to Tesla first, used the machine, made a twin, and said HOLY SHIT this is just wrong and stopped there.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 1:06 a.m. CST

    Carrot Juice

    by IndustryKiller!

    I know what your saying man, and Im not going to call names. Yes there are many iterations of every comic book character, but there are some things that remain constant in every good iteration. Now im gonna be up front and say Im not a fan of comic book films I think they are almost always disappointing. With that said I think Nolan understand Batman himself all right. WHat i'm not sure he quite gets its the world in which Batman dwells. This is a comic book world. Even in the most gritty of Frank Miller fantasies Batman is a comic book. His world, while not Schumacher-esque at all, has an element of a world gone twisted to it. Gotham is not New York City, it isnt Chicago, it isn't London. Gotham is a city that can only exist on the page, a GOTHIC (get it?) masterpiece in and of itself. Good and evil exists in Gotham city. it's a place where villains wear costumes and terrorize the city, and a man in a restrictive bat costume can single handedly do the job an entire police force can't. Where buildings outside of anything we have here exist. And it CERTAINLY doesn't have a yellow and brown color scheme. This is where I felt Nolan erred. Nolan invented his own Gotham city, and you know what thats fine, its his movie. But dont get upset at me because I am disappointed with Nolans revision of it, because it IS in fact a REVISION. Its not the definitve Batman by any means. I just want people to have a little understanding as to why I might feel that way and not get all bent out of shape like i just ripped the Bible in half. I also greatly disliked Goyers script which absolutely beat the shit out of you with the fact that the theme he is working with is fear. fear. fear. fear. fear. fear. fear. FEAR!!!! I would probably have like dNolans Batman more is he had dispensed with the supervillains, since it was obvious at this point int eh story that he had no particular affinity for using them all that much. And just elongated the overly short training sequence and batmans early time fighting crime in the cape.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 1:18 a.m. CST


    by eggplantq

    Hey there skippy, um, yeah, you might want to consider the source material before you start ranting again. Before there was a film there was a novel called "The Prestige" by Christopher Priest that dealt with identity and perception and the sacrifices that people make. While Nolan took some liberties, he remained true to the thrust of the plot and especially true to the author's larger themes. You might want to familiarize yourself with a film's source material before you go posting retarded comments for the entire world to read. Put away the dvd of Aliens Vs Predator and pick up a book. Start with something by Mr. Priest, or Gene Wolfe even. You might learn a thing or two.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 1:19 a.m. CST


    by Annoying Customer

    Is a solid directer but I wasn't impressed with the Prestige.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 1:22 a.m. CST

    IndustryKiller...I agree with you but

    by carrotjuice

    let me make what i am trying to say a little more simple to understand here. ok, warner brothers is redoing the batman franchise (thank God cause the burton/schumacher one sucked). were lookin at two more movies at least to finish out this franchise. so youve got christopher nolan who i know is a big batman fan. hes excited about making these batman films and doing batman right. but, hes only got 3 films to do it with. theres all these things about batman that make him so awesome that have to be done. theres no way that you can stay completely loyal to the comics because theres so many essential things that you have to put in there. therefore nolan and anybody helpin him write these three movies have to be creative come up with a new story that hits all that essential stuff but does it in a way that it works for cinema in 3 two hour segments. i didnt mean before that anything key was left out of the long halloween. what i was saying is that if you based a franchise off of that one book, there would be other things very important to the world of batman that would never be touched. christopher nolan is taking things from many different defining books in the batman world (year one, long halloween, killing joke) and hes meshing them together, and also putting his own new twist on it. its almost like reading a brand new story. i mean look at the new frank miller/jim lee batman and robin series. they dont line up with dark victory hardly at all. but the essential themes are there in both. thats what nolan is doing. hes nailing those essential themes, and compromising because it has to be done on screen. as far as Nolans Gotham goes though, I think youre right. But I think the whole fear thing was important in Begins because it showed Bruce Waynes struggle (in a nutshell, because it had to be done in two hours). Batman Begins was important because it focused on Batman. The films that came before almost always focused on the villains. I loved that about begins. and I know nolan will continue to do it right with the next two.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 1:24 a.m. CST

    If only Schumacher was at the helm.....

    by The Dum Guy

    And the story line had something to do with vampires.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 1:27 a.m. CST

    Kipkinkel brings up some good points

    by IndustryKiller!

    Some of thats tuff is pretty irrefutable. Bruce Wayne is in fact the most intelligent man in the world, he's the reed richards of the DCU. It's something the movie just gives you none of. He also happens to be the greatest human fighter, something he wouldn't have become from the half asses training sequence. The fight camera was awful, if you know anything about cinematography or if you've have ever seen an oriental film you would know there is no need for the camera to be that choppy.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 1:36 a.m. CST

    I agree with you both

    by carrotjuice

    I definitely think the whole detective part of Batman is missing in these films. But I also think Nolans left room to take care of that in TDK. Lets just wait and see. I dont think Nolans Batman is perfect, I dont think it will ever be perfect. Just like not everyone writes Batman perfect in the comics. Hes been written so many different ways. Its just hard to make everyone happy. But I think Nolan is doing a great job. Hes been the best thus far anyway. And the whole reading batman for a few months thing hurt Kipkinkel, it cut deep. Ive grown up on the character, im very partial to him. im sorry if you feel as if im a novice when it comes to the dark knight. im ashamed of myself. haha.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 1:44 a.m. CST

    Shogun Shotlinger - Ray Liotta Batman89

    by MRJONZ72

    I saw an interview with Ray Liotta in Entertainment Weekly maybe 3 months was not the JOKER Tim Burton wanted him for, but Bruce Wayne/Batman!

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 2:05 a.m. CST

    StrangeCo... OUCH.

    by aldentre

    Eggplantq, I have to commend you. Swiftly discrediting a lame rant that must have taken poor strangeco hours to craft. StrangeCo= Nicely Toasted.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 2:10 a.m. CST

    Thy Darke Knyghte = Transformers

    by Motoko Kusanagi


  • Feb. 16, 2007, 2:14 a.m. CST

    Im with ya carrot juice, aldentre not so much

    by IndustryKiller!

    At first I was mad about Batman begins Carrot, but now i see it's just another iteration of Batman out of many. It may not be my ideal batman but it is Nolans film and at least he didnt rape the characters in any way. I alos look forward to the Dark Knight and I think so far everyone involved has the stuff and Im glad to see Jonathan Nolan writing it instead of Goyer. Aldentre are you saying that nothign Strangeco said is true simply because The Prestige is also a book? Thats funny because I could have sworn I watched a movie and given that its the movie that we are reviewing Strangeco has every right to expose its faults whether they were in the book or not. Remember adaptation in and of itself is an art. I cant speak for the book because maybe it established better that these characters existed in a world where electric cloning is possible, but Nolan certainly did not. Instead he pulled an ending out of nowhere that was an all too convenient way to explain the otherwise very entertaining preceedings. Everything strangeco said is true, if you disagree try arguing him on his points rather than making sweeping statements and ending them with OH SNAP! before you can even get a response.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 2:22 a.m. CST

    Does anyone read the paragraph-long talkbacks?

    by IForgotAbout19

    I just can't do it

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 2:32 a.m. CST

    Comparing AICN to Dennys was more apt than you realized

    by F-1000

    You can come in at any time of the day or night at any Dennys and expect old, freezer burnt food (news), cooked in a microwave (subjected to Harry's rays of sexual analogies). Served to you by a male waiter with the biggest tits you've ever seen.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 2:33 a.m. CST

    Ray Liotta coulda worked as Burton's Bruce Wayne...

    by Burgundy82

    ...if it weren't for that craggy craterface of his. Don't get me wrong — the guy is one of my personal favorite actors (Goodfellas, Narc, and of course, Operation Dumbo Drop), but that mug doesn't hold up to close-up scrutiny. He must use the same facial creams as Bill Murray and Edward James Olmos.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 2:33 a.m. CST

    Eckhart as Ozymandias


    Stacy Keach IS The Comedian. Thank you and goodnight.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 2:56 a.m. CST

    Fuckin ay!

    by deanamatronix

    Great choice!

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 2:58 a.m. CST


    by photoboy

    That's fucking awesome casting, Eckhart will own this part. And we get to reel off some fun lines from Burton's Batman. Two for one!

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 3:59 a.m. CST

    Kintar0 = Moviemack ????....

    by Big_Bubbaloola

    Or is it StrangeCo = Moviemack??? Nah, StrangeCo is actually slightly reasonable and can string a sentence every now and then. That is all. Oh and go Aaron! Nice choice

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 4:20 a.m. CST

    You're not even worth debating, carrotjuice.

    by kintar0

    Learn to punctuate, then maybe somebody'll take you seriously. And yeah, must be moviemack. Only one person, only ONE, could POSSIBLY have not liked Batman Begins! It was so fucking REALISTIC and gritty.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 5 a.m. CST

    Ethan Hawke

    by celestamine

    wasn't ethan hawke supposed to be playing dent at some point? he and bale are somewhat similar characters, would have nicely mirrored year one.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 5:29 a.m. CST

    I pity people who didn't appreciate The Prestige

    by bender7

    I mean at least for something different coming from mainstream Hollywood that was wonderfully acted and beatifully put together.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 5:32 a.m. CST

    Joker Concept Art....

    by moobit

    Damn, that looks ace! Love hoe the grin seems to have been ripped into the face-hope they go that direction...

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 5:32 a.m. CST

    How about this for some Foreshadowing?

    by masteryoda007

    Straight after we see Billy Dee as Harvey Dent in the Batman '89 original, guess who is the very next character to appear on screen? It is Eckhart......spooky!

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 5:55 a.m. CST

    You guys don't get it.....

    by MonkeyManReturns

    Nolan is making a movie that the geeks, the mass audience, the money men, the studios, the critics, DC and TimeWarner, and everyone in between will do that, you need to have creative licence...its a want a perfect Batman movie, make it up in your head and dream about it while choking your chicken...if you want to live in REALITY...THE REAL WORLD PEOPLE...see and enjoy Batman Begins and marvel at the fact everyone - critics, mass audience, geeks, liked this was good...those of you that didn't like it...hey its a free world...if I can live in a world where people actually buy Mariah Carey songs, I can live in a world where you exist as well... Aummmmmmmm..........

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 6 a.m. CST

    What Batman 2 needs is....

    by Lago

    1) For Nolan to actually pull the camera back during fight scenes and take it easy on the rapid cuts so that we can actually see whats going on for a change. We do not need another god damn Tony Scott. 2) Change the bloody batsuit!!! It looks so stupid and once again they made the mistake that Batman can not even move his head, let alone hear. Why not use the Alex Ross version????

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 6:22 a.m. CST

    Dear Mr. Nolan

    by Reelheed

    Thanks for all your great movies. Please feel free to not kill off The Joker. Thanks.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 6:41 a.m. CST

    I like the choice

    by just pillow talk

    Nolan kicks ass with Batman, and I can't wait to see how the sequels play out. I do agree that they'll probably be a second villian in the third movie. The Joker can of course command a movie all by himself, not sure about two-face.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 6:42 a.m. CST

    Schreiber really would have been perfect, but...

    by DanielKurland

    I love Eckhart, and am still excited to see him play this.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 7:04 a.m. CST

    Aaron Eckhart should play Roland the Gunslinger.

    by SamWave

    He'd be awesome. Just like he'll be awesome in this.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 7:11 a.m. CST

    If Lando Calrissian didn't become 2-Face...

    by chrth

    There's no guarantee Eckhardt will. But still a good choice.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 7:44 a.m. CST

    Billy Dee Williams...

    by cornponious

    is the one TRUE Harvey Dent. :-) It's entirely possible that they chose Aaron Eckhart because of the Eckhart character in the original Batman. "Get me Lieutenant ECKHART" (R.I.P. Jack Palance)

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 7:53 a.m. CST


    by McBane

    This<p>is<p><p>my test for a Long post. Hope it works

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 8:06 a.m. CST

    Congratulations, McBane

    by cornponious

    You have achieved mediocrity.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 8:07 a.m. CST

    SPOILERS - IndustryKiller and StrangeCo's Prestige bash

    by McBane

    With all due respect, you guys are wrong about Nolan and 'The Prestige'. The Nolan brothers crafted, in my opinion, the best film of 2006. Yes it is a 'twist' movie but it is so flawlessly executed, it practically brings tears to my eyes. <p> I know you two are trolling and I am wasting my time, but I have to respond. Here is my long, point by point refution of your 'interpretation' of the move.<p> SPOILERS!!!!!!<p> 1.'THE MACHINE' IS A STUPID EX DESU MACHINA MACGUFFIN. I can understand that the machine is probably the most difficult thing to buy in this film. The fact is if you cannot buy into it, your liable to reject the film as a whole. It may seem out of place but remember, Tesla was and still IS regarded as a modern day electrical magician. On his death the US government took all his inventions and classified them. I doubt they would have bothered if was you average sparky. Although The Machine is the least realistic part of the film, it's vital in exploring the film's broader themes.<p> 2. WHY DIDN'T HE USE THE MACHINE TO CLONE HIS WIFE? The machine isn't a cloning device in the way you think it is. We only see three things were duplicated in the film. One inanimate object and two live ones. Do you really think he'd want to duplicate the bones of his long dead wife? Maybe you are into necrophilia but I doubt he was. Even if he could clone her, I don't think he would. His obsession was so advanced ALL he cared about was getting revenge.<p> 3. BALE CONVENIENTLY TURNS UP FOR THE LAST PERFORMANCE. No not conveniently, Jackman KNEW he would turn up at some point, because Bale was obsessed with working out how the trick was constructed, as it was seemingly impossible. That's why he said he would only EVER do 100 performaces of the trick. To flush bale out and to frame him.<p> The film is really about obsession. Bale's obsession with becoming a master magician and Jackman's obsession with getting revenge for his wife's death. It explores the extent to which these obsessions harm their families and themselves.<p> 5. THE ENDING IS BAD. IT'S CHEATING I accept that the whole Tesla angle is hard to grasp but I don't see it as cheating. It may be 'out of that world' but as it fits the internal logic of that world, I am able to forgive it. Again Bale's wild goose chase is carefully contructed. He only chooses Tesla because he knows Jackman is following him. So when he goes to the world fair, he thinks why not foist him on Tesla, not realising how much power that man really has.<p> These 'reasons' why the film is 'bad', are pretty weak. I can understand you not liking the film. But to suggest it was sloppily put together does a great disservice to the Nolans. This film has less plot holes than most films<p> Slightly more on-topic, I am looking forward to the next Batman. However I hope Nolan spends some time learning to shoot action. I was less than convinced in Begins with how that was shot.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 8:10 a.m. CST

    Was my last post mediocre too Cornponious?

    by McBane

    I like making my posts readable. Hence the test. Still I guess haughty one line judgements on other talkbackers is high art to you.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 8:19 a.m. CST


    by connor187

    In fact your spot on with your views on those cartoon loving cunts above. I would fucking kill myself if at least one ounce of there vision of Batman made it onto film. I think Nolan got gotham just right in begins, but you will always get idiots who will moan about it being too brown and yellow, I mean what the fuck? Do these so called fans really want another Schumacker, neon, candy arsed nightmare of a city or do they want a real dark grounded version? oh and trust me the Joker will were a mask in this movie just watch the end of begins when Gordon compares Batman and the Joker through that speach about escalation, "you were a mask and jump off buildings, take this guy". etc.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 8:52 a.m. CST

    Alex Ross Batsuit

    by Abin Sur

    Lago, I couldn't agree more. Bale has shown that he can give himself an awesome superhero physique - and if Brandon Routh can get away without all that padding, Bale sure as heck could. Not being able to turn his head without turning his shoulders has always bothered me - why would a fighter like Bats restrict his movement so much?

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 9:06 a.m. CST

    Eckhart Is A Good Choice

    by Barron34

    Unexpected, but good. I would have preferred Liev Schreiber, though. From THE MANCHURIAN CANDIDATE and other performances, I think Screiber has shown that he can play scary and dark. Eckhart is kind of glib; a good actor, but a bit smarmy. Still, he is a far better choice than some others I have heard suggested. Anyway, I am a fan of Nolan's work. He is hardly infallible, but then, who is? I am looking forward to his next Batman movie. For those who think Begins was not fantastical enough, I think that there will be an escalation of the theatricality and freakiness of the villains, as was suggested by the end of the movie in the exchange between Batman and Gordon.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Style_92: you sir, are wrong...and Forever sucked

    by JimmyLoneWolf

    Your "proof" that Nolan will "screw this up" is bogus and ill-informed. For one thing, Batman Returns was NOT a bad film...a bit overstuffed, perhaps, but certainly NOT hurt by the dark tone and "killings". You then try to make the case that batman Forever was superior to Returns simply because it made alot of money...well thank you very much Mr. Executive, but that movie was still inferior to both of Burton's entries. I can't figure out why people can't see Batman Forever for what it was...the first nail in the franchise's coffin. All the cheesieness, campiness, and obsession with "neon and nipples" that ruined Batman and Robin were present in Schumacher's first outing, albeit in a manner that was overshadowed by the star power on display. But its a lousy film, and there is no doubt in my mind that Nolan will give us something much better. But hey, knock yourself out watching pace-killing flashbacks and bland lighting of every Wayne Manor scene. After all, I'm sure Schumacher needs the money to help destroy Gaiman's Sandman anyway. Then again, maybe I just hate Batman Forever because only a fey fairy like Schumacher would sadistically waste Drew Barrymore and Debi Mazar on throwaway roles...despite both of them them looking as hot as they ever have. I'm sure their having tits and a vagina had something to do with it......but thats not the point. The point is: Nolan WILL pull this off. Unless of course, you prefer BF to which case...your disappointment will be our celebration.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 9:16 a.m. CST

    cornponious, McBane

    by Strabo

    cornponious, given the quality of McBane's next post, I think it's certainly forgivable for running a test post in the thread to make sure he had the right HTML. Honestly, this site needs to pony the fuck up and get a decent post editor. Allow us to use more complex HTML. At least links, italics, bold, maybe color, and, for god's sake, give us a fucking PREVIEW and a table of the allowed formatting.<BR><BR>McBane, that's a wonderful defense of The Prestige from StrangeCo's inane ramblings. Thank you. For a guy who professes to read a book a day, he apparently hasn't figured out how to use the language yet. Anyway, I feel sorry for Nolan and The Prestige as it's one of the top five movies of last year, and sadly, the film has been completely ignored.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 9:28 a.m. CST

    Great Casting so far however...

    by Lost Skeleton

    I do trust Nolan because the cast is great. I would have liked to see a minority play Harvey however Aaron Eckhart is a great actor and I do like that he is getting a significant part in this flick. I just wish Singer would have went a different route with Superman so we could have a companion Batman and Superman franchise. On a side note...I think I have joined the Smallville camp who thinks that Superman mythos could really be a compelling film down the road.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 9:29 a.m. CST

    If you don't think Maggie is sexy rent...

    by Lost Skeleton

    Secretary. Nuff said

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Saw it coming, but a great choice.

    by Mechasheeva

    Edward Norton is still my favorite for this role, just because he can do nice guy and ridiculously evil and we know it, but I don't think for a minute that Nolan didn't bring the Two-Face thing into account when he tested Eckhart. If Nolan thinks Eckhart can play bad guy, then Eckhart can play bad guy, just like Ledger can play sociopathic if Nolan says so. That's how much I trust in this guy. Also, even if Rachel Dawes isn't really necessary, I'd much rather have a genuinely talented actress like Gyllenhaal play her this time out than the stiff-as-a-board Katie Holmes.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Batman Rules

    by ProfGriffin

    As long as Nolan hits these IMPORTANT marks in The Dark Knight, I'll be pleased and thrilled. (ahem) 1. The Batman does not kill. 2. The Batman is the World's Greatest Detective. 3. The Joker was 'born' in a vat of chemicals and NOT by mutilation. He does NOT have a permanent grin ala Sardonicus or Gywnpaine. His skin is bleached white, his lips red, his hair green. 4. DON'T kill off the villains in every movie. Send them to Arkham. (see number 1) 5. Let the Joker BE the Joker...deliver on the Escalation you hinted at in the first film. 6. KEEP building the Gordon/Batman Alfred/Bruce relationships. Beautiful in the first film...don't break the backone of the Batman mythos. 7. ONE Villain per movie PLEASE. I don't mind if Cobblepot makes a cameo as an arms-dealer/smuggler/criminal kingpin at his Ice Berg Lounge, but only ONE main villain per story. Looking forward to it.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Are you guys forgetting...

    by ScarranHalfBreed

    ...that what made the first Batman so great was that the villians weren't at the forefront of the movie and Batman was the main character, a first for a Batman flick. It will be the same for this, the Joker and HTF will most probably enjoy about twenty minutes of screen time each.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 9:51 a.m. CST


    by beelkay

    The last I heard, it was going to be that guy from "The O.C.", and while he's likeable, he's definitely not what I would have thought of as Harvey Dent. Hopefully Heath Ledger does justice to his role...I hope they know what they're doing!

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Hilary Swank is The Joker

    by The Disco Plumber

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Messi and Mcbane

    by IndustryKiller!

    Messi, god where to begin. Are you familiar with a talkbacker named Anchorite? If not then familiarize yourself with him, you guys are gonna be good friends. And one more thing? Mothers womb? How old are you? Mcbane I actually agree with you on alot of points. And I by no means think The Prestige is a bad film, on the contrary I was loving every second until I got to that ending. It seems like we actually agree on the film itself but I just can't buy the ending and you can, fair enough. I dont think there is a right answer or anything, but on the whole an undeniably well done film.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 10:05 a.m. CST


    by just pillow talk

    Prof - We'll have to see whether or not he kills off the Joker (who'll be the main villian, much like Begins had one 'main' villian). I also hope not. And I'm sure he'll be building the Gordon/Batman relationship further.<p>Scarran1/2breed: Completely agree. I think it definitely made the first movie stronger. I just want my villians to be shown that they are menacing enough so that I can cheer for Batman to kick their asses.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 10:08 a.m. CST


    by connor187

    I think the Joker will be a twisted murdering bastard in this movie but he will were a mask to start with. Batman, Gordon and Dent will all work together to bring him down which will climax with the Joker falling into those chemicals. Its the end of the movie were we see the real Joker (all scared and burnt with parts of the mask he was wearing stuck to his face) in court. this is were he will get his revenge on at least one of the charactors responsable for doing this to him i.e Dent. He will throw acid and you know the rest. This would set up the third movie, with Dent now Twoface, twisted and bitter towards Batman for not being there when he needed him. The Joker will escape and it will be a three way battle in the third with all three fighting each other.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 10:17 a.m. CST

    conner187 Joker comments

    by ProfGriffin

    Not bad at all. I wouldn't mind it as you described, but he should take his chemical dip midway in the film and show up as the Ace of Knaves in the movie. I don't want scarred, I want MAD...CRAZY...not deformed. Would it be a bad thing if the 'mask' that the soon to be Joker wears is a large Red Hood/Helmet? Yeah, he's leaving Joker Cards, but maybe he got a thing for them... Monarch Playing Card Company anyone? We'll see.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 10:28 a.m. CST

    Peter Sarsgaard ought to be in a Nolan Batman flick.

    by AhopefullFANBOY

    I don’t really care who he plays but I’d love to see Peter Sarsgaard in a Nolan helmed Batman flick. Perhaps the Riddler? Never my favorite villain but if they made him a darker, Unibomber-esque kind of mad bomber it could work. I hate Jim Carrey and hated his Riddler and think the character needs a second chance. P.S. anybody else think Sarsgaard is more or less the second coming of John Malkovich? Now there’s somebody I would love to see play a Batman villain.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 11:02 a.m. CST

    Damn me getting here late!

    by finky089

    The good "Eckhart" lines are already taken. <p> For what my cent and a half is worth, Eckhart sounds like a decent choice for Harvey, whatever that character's role is gonna be.<p> And, to somebody's point way back above, I think having a Joker who was still psychotic, but not so "clown-like" in appearance could work. I dig the "standard" appearance of the Joker in the comics, but for the film, I like the idea but wouldn't be sold on it until I saw some concept images.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 11:03 a.m. CST

    See Yack,s URL above for a "Joker" sans clown make-up

    by finky089


  • Feb. 16, 2007, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Malkovich to play Jackal in Spidey 4-6!

    by finky089

    you know, when they start all that Ben Parker clone wars crap.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 11:07 a.m. CST

    Jimmylonewolf, you suck.

    by Style_92

    You have a lame brain that can only see simple points, (OMG!!! he'd defending Forever!) and not the larger point I'm trying to make:<br> <br> Batman 89 and Batman Forever were both tremendously flawed films that fucked up a lot in their portrayal of Batman. Nevertheless, they were successful. The execs said to those directors, "Good, now do it again, but more so!" What happened? the flaws, instead of getting ironed out and improving, INTENSIFIED and made those movies unpalatable to most fans.<br> So what do I see when I look at Begins? A deeply flawed Batman movie that fucks up a lot in the way it portrays Batman. nevertheless, it was successful. The studio execs said to nolan, "good, now do it again, but more so!" and the fans who liked Begins but admit it had flaws are hoping those flaws will be reduced and ironed out. I don't see that happening. I see them, once again, INTENSIFYING. And they will, once again, get so bad that the fanbase turns it's back on the franchise and it will be in trouble again.<br> Ofcourse, there are some fans who think Begins was perfectly flawless and Nolan can do no wrong. I don't know what kind of crack they're smoking.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 11:10 a.m. CST


    by Style_92

    Ah, Joker's "Red Hood" origin. I suppose it's as valid as his "mobster" origin, but I'd like to see the real joker in the next one, not a set up for him in the one after that.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 11:27 a.m. CST

    You guys are making me nervous.

    by Nice Marmot

    If we don't get the Joker as we know him from the get-go, I will be pissed. I don't want a Joker origin, I don't want to know what his deal is (is it makeup or did chemicals do it?), I just want a crazy, maniacal bastard with a white friggin' face & green friggin' hair.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 11:31 a.m. CST

    I want a joker who randomly breaks into song and dance

    by just pillow talk

    I think that'll spice up the movie. Oh, and also have a green face and white hair and wearing a polo shirt and shorts.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 11:42 a.m. CST

    Some general thoughts

    by Gwai Lo

    No one serious is calling Batman Begins flawless, as that kind of hyperbole should only be applied to maybe a handful of films ever made. However, I completely disagree that Batman Begins was deeply flawed. I'd like you to point me to an action film in the last decade that is as polished, well executed and thrilling. Considering how many times Batman has been reinterpreted as a character within several different mediums, there is no true interpretation of Batman and the fans are never going to agree on one definitive presentation. To me, Batman Begins was like watching an amplified version of Batman: Year One. The muted yellows and "realistic" vibe come right out of that book, which is fitting since this is Batman's origin. As far as getting the character right and whether Burton or Nolan got it closer, this has been endlessly debated so I'll only say one thing. Keaton's Batman did it for revenge, and Bale's Batman does it for justice. That alone brings Nolan's Batman closer to how he is in the comics. Bale may not yet seem like he's reached the supergenius World's Greatest Detective level, but Alfred was bringing Keaton cookies and milk in the Batcave. Batman Begins was about as good as movies got in 2005. I also don't agree with the idea that the villains are more important than Batman. Nicholson seems to have more screen time than Keaton in the original Batman, but it was fairly equal. In Returns, there are 30 minutes chunks at a time where Batman doesn't even show up on screen. Instead, we get the admittedly awesome Christopher Walken in the made-up Max Schrek character. The liberties they took with R'as al Gul/Ducard or Rachel Dawes (who actually reminded me of the girl from Mask of the Phantasm) are nothing compared to the sweeping shorthand that Burton and Schumacher made of the original material. There is no reason to expect Nolan to drop the ball and produce anything worse than Batman Begins. I'm not too crazy about Eckhart though. Can anyone direct me towards a great Eckhart performance that shows he can do it? I really, really hope that Nolan comes along and proves me dead wrong. It's possible. I was even optimistic when Heath Ledger was cast, even though I can think of a slew of actors with better resumes who look closer to the part (Viggo Mortensen would be my pick.) I just haven't seen anything from Eckhart that stands out as a commanding or definitive performance. Bale had American Psycho. Ledger has gotten a lot of acclaim. Oldman, Neeson, Freeman, Hauer, Caine, Wilkinson, Murphy and Watanabe... That's an incredible supporting cast. But Aaron Eckhart? I thought Thank You For Smoking was one of the most limp and watered down attempts at satire in recent memory. The average South Park episode has more balls. It's not exactly edgy to lampoon smoking these days. I wouldn't mind if the movie was funny, but most of the jokes fell flat and the whole thing was so formulaic. Speaking of formulaic we have Suspect Zero, which would have been unwatchable without Ben Kingsley. The rest of the movie was the same tedious serial killer procedural nonsense we've been getting for years now. Eckhart obviously did not stand out in either of these tepid films. When you look at the rest of his resume: Paycheck, The Black Dahlia, The Wicker Man, The Core, Nurse Betty, The Missing, you see a bunch of crappy movies. He's got a couple in there that may be good and seem to get acclaim that I haven't seen: In the Company of Men, Erin Brokovich, The Pledge (have seen this actually, don't remember Eckhart) and Your Friends and Neighbors. Oh yeah, and he played a football player in Any Given Sunday. Whoop dee doo. I wouldn't be so annoyed if he looked anything close to the part, but he doesn't. He was getting bandied around for Captain America over on those boards, I could see that (I'd cast Peter Krause.. and Klaus Kinski's skeleton as Red Skull!) but he's just so smarmy looking. He almost looks like a Mormon. He just doesn't look like Harvey Dent. There are lots of great actors who could do more with the role. Benicio Del Toro? Craig Bierko? Clive Owen? Ah well, it's a moot point now..

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 12:32 p.m. CST


    by Bloo

    i just figured out how to ghost post....I love this site, it's so ghetto...AICN-The Geek Ghetto ghost posting, no edit feature, etc...<p>and btw I'm the one who talked about Riddler

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Aint it OLD News.....once again

    by ripsovich

    I am finding, more and more, that Ain't it Cool News is slipping. I have seen much more of their INSIDER information on other web sources before it is even put on this site. You are losing your angle guys.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 12:37 p.m. CST

    regardless what the source material

    by novembre13

    movies are for the masses that don't read books and don't want to think. they don't want underlying themes and sublty. they want batman beating up guys and driving a cool car. they don't care about him being a detective. they want all the heroes and villians to fight like martial artists. they want explosions and chase scenes. they don't want the action marred by dialogue that would give the characters more depth. the best movie is the one in your head that you created using your imagination while/after reading the book. batman/bw - young tom berenger joker - crispin glover harvey dent/2f - viggo mortensen

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 12:44 p.m. CST

    For those who call Prestige's ending out of nowhere

    by Lovecraftfan

    Did you guys miss the endless forshadowing, visual metaphors, and the movie flat out telling you what was going on. When people say Angier's "twist" came from nowhere I have to wonder if they watched the film.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Hmmmmm, not all of that is luck

    by Saluki

    Is it really a surprise or luck that Bale showed up to the biggest magic show ever seen? Or that he tried to figure out the meaning? He already had gone backstage to mess up the act before, no point in seeing why he wouldn't try again. I think the twins figured out their trick years before, but waited until they needed it, or could at least correctly find a stage and present it in a controlled environment. You're different paths to other possible endings simply don't strike me as entertaining, or reaching the same levels of irony. The supernatural element of seeing out-of-this-world scientific magic was quite a large draw to what makes the film unique. Why is it luck that they are twins, or that Jackman is using a fake identity again?

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 12:50 p.m. CST

    KipKinkel: Color Palette?

    by Saluki

    Whaaaa? A less yellow and orange themed night could have been attempted, but... The movie lacked color, and that is a good turn for The Dark Knight. We don't need a billion Schumacher neon lights.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 1:49 p.m. CST

    McBane? ... McBane!...Hello, McBane!?(in Biff Fashion)

    by cornponious

    It's one thing to troll, but it's another thing to post test material in a running thread. Call me an internet snob, but that sort of thing would not have flown on the Usenet, so it shouldn't fly here. As far as The Dark Knight (or whatever the next Batman film will be called) goes, I have total faith that it will exceed all of my expectations, as did Batman Begins. It evoked emotions in me that only one or two comic book movies have done. Batman Begins was handled as well as any film about Batman possibly could have been handled. And I think a Joker with a normal painted face will work just fine. Need I invoke that short independent film "Batman: Dead End"? Before Batman Begins rolled around, I was thinking that Batman couldn't possibly have been any better than that. And the Joker was just a guy in makeup, but he was as evil as the Joker needed to be. 3vem8

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 1:52 p.m. CST

    Chris Rock was born to play Two Face

    by glodene

    You know this to be true. This Aaron feller is okay, but i can't see him feelin' the shoe of Billy Dee Williams...He owned that role.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 1:56 p.m. CST

    StrangeCo- I buy the coicidence

    by Lovecraftfan

    I still don't buy that try to say that the ending came out of nowhere. You may not have liked it but the movie clearly set-up and hinted at the ending over and over and over. The movie at no point was really hiding anything.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 1:59 p.m. CST

    I don't fully trust Nolan...

    by lynxpro

    For one, he gave us Katie Holmes as the made up character Rachel Dawes instead of giving us Talia Al Ghul which would have been a much more dramatic punch in the storyline. Then, he follows up that mistake with choosing Heath Ledger for the most iconic villain in the Batman's rogue's gallery. That was plain idiotic, and probably a studio pick at that. Christopher Eccleston should have had that role, and I think more people are going to come to that realization as they continue to tune into NBC's *Heroes* in addition to those of us *Doctor Who* fans who came to this realization back in 2005. Get Eccleston into that role, and cast Monica Bellucci for Talia Al Ghul.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 2:01 p.m. CST

    Don't know about Eckhart

    by shitstorm23

    I like Eckhart and though In the Company and Smoking were both good films of his, but I just see Dent being different. Loeb/Sale have Dent/2face so dead to rights it's hard to think differently. And though this will show my geek-ness, Batman has been much a detective lately. He's way more just a prick that can kick the shit of people and really just scare them out of doing crimes as opposed to this genius who outsmarts everyone. Perhaps that was the way back in the day, but go check out your local comic store and flip through a few books. And as for "making his own batmobile" or tools or whatever, uh, no. He gets shit from Harold and Oracle. He has reverse engineered a few things to use as his own (and that might be a cool thing to show, him teaching himself how something works and creating a new version for his own uses) but don't pull some bullshit that he built and designed everything himself. As for Nolan not following canon, you can go fuck yourself since DC changes it all the time. Who killed Batman's parents?!? It wasn't Joe Chill as their killer escaped and was never exposed. I'm sure shit will keep changing with 52 and whatever dumb fuck complete line crossover they need to tell next. Since being canon is almost impossible, and EVERY writer has had different ideas for Gotham! You can't knock Nolan for not making it look all queer and have the Scarecrow with fucking straw coming out of his suit. He's trying to adapt these characters to OUR real world, show how these characters could come to life, which is a cool take on it. For me anyway, to each his own though. I'll pay to see TDK, and I'm betting it will be pretty decent. BUT, Bruce Timm is the shit and no one will ever come close to capturing Batman like him.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 2:18 p.m. CST

    but give the Superman franchise to Nolan & Co...

    by lynxpro

    I am in total disagreement with people dissin' David Goyer just because they all hated *Blade 3*. The guy transformed the two-bit Blade character into a character we all like. He layed the groundwork for *Begins* which the brothers Nolan took to great heights. I've said before that the Batman/Superman franchises should be mirror opposites to one another, and thus the same director and production team should handle them both. Kick Bryan Singer & Jon Peters to the curb and give it to the Nolan brothers with Goyer serving to write the original draft and template to the over-all flicks. Hire Timm & Dini as consultants. And then bring in the *Smallville* cast. Make it a (very) loose follow-up to that series after it ends next season. That's the way to do it. *Smallville*'s cast has always rocked; its achilles heel was always its writing. The achilles heel to *Superman Returns* was the entire film, producers, director, screenwriters, and the cast. The sooner that it is erased from our collective memory - much like *Batman & Robin* and the *Catwoman* flick - the better. I have 95% faith in Nolan, and it could be totally redeemed if some recasting was held pronto.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 2:22 p.m. CST

    and get Bale to cameo on Smallville next season...

    by lynxpro

    Much like how Harrison Ford did that cameo on *The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles* many years ago.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 2:33 p.m. CST

    talkbackers writing ARTICLES in here

    by captainCAPSLOCK

    geez. "I would have liked to see a minority play Harvey.." why? because it's black history month? who, specifically? lame. btw, i'm half black/hispanic so no need thinking that stood out because i'm a rascist or something. it just sounds dumb to me- like me saying 'i would like to see a woman play Iron Fist' and leave it at that. and yes, Batman Begins with mediocre. deal with it - another classic case case of so so movies being elevated simply because everything else is garbage.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 2:38 p.m. CST

    J. Lo as Two Face!

    by captainCAPSLOCK

    see how i did that?

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 2:42 p.m. CST

    Ray Liotta and other matters

    by kafka07

    Yes, Liotta at one time would have been a great Joker. He's too old now, like one poster pointed out. I think he would still be a great addition to the Bat-cast, but rather as a crime boss, like Tom Wilkinson's role in 'Begins'. Eckhart and Maggie Gyllenhaal are great casting choices. I don't think Maggie is "homely". She's actually pretty hot, and has talent that's on par with the other great actors in TDK.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 2:53 p.m. CST

    i can see that...

    by VoteRoslin08

    Eckhart has the chops to play Dent and being a truly evil Two Face.<p> Now if only the rumors about Rachel McAdams filling in for Katie Holmes could be confirmed!

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 3:11 p.m. CST

    People still like Dead End?

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    Ugh, yeah, the Batman and Joker costumes were ok, but the acting from everyone except for Batman was atrocious, and the whole thing was done rather retardedly. I much preferred his follow up, World's Finest. That one had heart. But he's still a hack.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 3:33 p.m. CST



    I don't know what movie you people saw to each his own I guess... Batman Begins was the most satisfying movie experience I had in a long long time... <p> While the movie had its flaws, like all movies do, I expect Nolan to elevate his game in the sequel... <p> And to all the people complaing about the lack of detective work in Begins, please rememeber the movie was called BATMAN BEGINS... I don't think anyone should have expected him to be the worlds greatest detective as soon as he dons the cape and cowl... Come on...

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 4:18 p.m. CST

    haha i still have "Dead End" on my HD

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    i know its not that great but where else am i gonna see batman vs the joker vs alien vs it was a student film so give em some slack

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 4:21 p.m. CST

    Anyhoo, I woulda gone with Liev Schreiber, but this is

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    still a good fuckin choice. At least it's not Ryan Phillipe, I mean, he might be a good actor, but he looks like a fucking child.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 4:21 p.m. CST


    by PwnedByStallone

    this man as Harvey Dent. Perfect. Fucking. Choice. Whoever is castign these fuckign movies is a god damn genius. If you've seen his earlier work you know Eckhart can switch to good and evil effortlessly. This is a truly inspired choice. If Transformers represents everything shitty about a Hollywood film production, this franchise represents everything fuckign great.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 4:24 p.m. CST

    and "World's Finest"

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    is pretty cool too. gotta admit the guy loves his superheroes...and it was still better than Superman Returns, haha. fuck i want a team up movie

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 4:34 p.m. CST

    Eckhart can't be Two-Face

    by yeah boss!

    I can imagine him a little as Dent but not as that psycho split-personality villain from the comics. I doubt he can pull off that kind of stark duality seen in Long Halloween. I'm still not convinced about Ledger as the Joker yet, gotta see what he looks like as the clown prince of crime first till im sold.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 4:37 p.m. CST

    Yeah, I know that's not the official Joker design.

    by superninja

    I was just commenting on the fact that the Joker shouldn't be grotesque. Filmmakers have that kind of tendency instead of underplaying. There are other Batman characters that are grotesque which distinguishes them, such as Two Face.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 4:40 p.m. CST

    Is this going to be a good Batman film at last?

    by MrJJonz

    Are they ditching the rubber suit?<P>Are they making Gotham gothic?<P>Are they making Batman a smart detective?<P>Are they ditching crap love interests?<P>Will they at long last make Gordon a serious, brilliant police officer and actually truly explore his relationship with Batman<P>Here's hoping folks

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 4:42 p.m. CST

    Thank god it's not Jamie Foxx.

    by riskebiz


  • Feb. 16, 2007, 4:48 p.m. CST

    as long as two-face is serious

    by BloodyUnderwear

    man,i hate the tommy lee jones version. two-face is one of my favorite batman villains and i'd love to see him done right.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 4:59 p.m. CST

    what is the obseeion filmakers have with making

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    Two Face black? i mean, does it really add anything to the character? just stick to the comics, jesus christ.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 5:01 p.m. CST

    obseeion? obsession

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    i meant... <P> also regarding the joker design. they may not be official but Nolan has stated that he will more than likely make the Joker disfigured. pretty cool looking regardless. i just hope they dont lose the clown personality too much. thats the reason he is batmans greatest villain. he's the polar opposite of everything batman stands for.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 5:19 p.m. CST

    Why not take a punt on Paul Dini et al

    by MrJJonz

    For the most part this is the guy who has actually nailed the Batman / Wayne character on screen better than anyone else. It appealed to kids and adults alike which you would think would be perfect for the studios.<P>Oh and Joker better look like Joker (ie clown looking) or next time I go to the cinema I won't buy any popcorn and no, I won't even go large on the drink . . .that'll teach everyone involved in any film that's ever disappointed me. (Look how much power I wield as a consumer . . .Marvellous)

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 5:23 p.m. CST

    hey yack

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    do u remember that pre-BB and SR that WB was saying that they were going to kick off both franchises with a team up? they were even calling it Batman vs. Superman.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 5:26 p.m. CST

    If Batman and Superman were in the same film

    by MrJJonz

    I think I would make sex wee in my pants. Even if the film sucked just seeing them together would make a little bit of mess down below.<P>Obviously I'd then walk away from the film then jump on this site and have a bit of a bitch about what I would like to change

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 5:38 p.m. CST

    But Eckhart is an American right?

    by JackieJokeman

    Wont the real American accent seem out of place amongst all the terrible fake American accents?

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 5:46 p.m. CST

    As long as we don't get Miller's Batman vs Spawn

    by MrJJonz

    Then crossover movies need to happen and quick

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 5:52 p.m. CST

    Marmaduke vs Fred Bassett gets my vote

    by MrJJonz

    Yeah you heard me right.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 5:56 p.m. CST

    I love all the dickheads

    by SithMenace

    that come in to a Batman talkback and post spoilers for the Prestige. NOT EVERYONE SAW IT IN THE THEATER. Ignorant fucks.<p>For everyone that posted spoiler warnings, thank you.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 5:58 p.m. CST

    Hey Sith

    by MrJJonz

    I wish that someone would release a site that provided spoilers for every film so I would never have to waste 2 hrs watching a film again. Think of the money you could save and the fact you wouldn't have to bother making your own opinion of a film - just go along with someone elses

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 6:07 p.m. CST

    Hey MrJJonz

    by SithMenace

    Regardless of whether or not I agree with other people's opinions, there are still things in a movie I would like to discover for myself, instead of getting blindsided in a talkback on a completely different subject.<p>You do know the difference between a spoiler and an opinion, right?

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 6:10 p.m. CST


    by MrJJonz

    Not taking the mick out of you. More in the fact someone will way a film is shit and then describe in great detail the film with every twist and turn and then why it is bad (I would add good at this point but generally people bitch instead of love on these sites)

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 6:13 p.m. CST

    I love Aaron

    by CherryValance

    Now I'm not so crumpy about the Heath thing.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 6:16 p.m. CST

    that should say grumpy

    by CherryValance

    oh my proofreading skills are terrible.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 6:21 p.m. CST

    I kinda like Crumpy as a word

    by MrJJonz

    Proof reading is for chumps.<P>Also kinda interested in what Heath does with Joker. I didn't like Jack Nicholsons version - he just seemed to play Jack Nicholson in face paint.<P>Heath will do well to match Dini's version with Hamill voicing . . .ahh they were wonderful times

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 6:23 p.m. CST


    by lynxpro

    You missed your birth calling... You'd be very successful at writing farce in the French theatre. If you think Singer's movie/abomination was great, then you probably thought *Leonard Part 6*, *LXG*, *Ishtar*, and *The Last Action Hero* were also stellar works of cinema. That, or you are the assistant of Jon Peters.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 6:23 p.m. CST

    I hope supercowbell (nice name) wasn't

    by MrJJonz

    being sarcastic about the superman returns thing. . . cos I actually quite liked it. But there again I also like Ang Lee's Hulk which doesn't get much love around these parts

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 6:33 p.m. CST

    StrangeCo (why am I even bothering?)

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    This guy is out to lunch. Out. To. Lunch. Are you JonBonDon on the IMDB boards? Fuck comparing a book to film. Who does that with any amount of confidence? Clearly you were too busy bragging to your wife about how many books you read a day and how much you loved the movie than actually paying attention to the happenings on screen. Luck? Seriously? That’s your argument/classification of the plot device? I am certainly not as well read as you, few are evidently, but I had no problem following the plot and narratives of this film. Bale’s character went to Tesla and requested the design and construction of the machine. Tesla wasn’t just conveniently making such a device. Tesla needed the money since funding was falling through and he was intrigued by the idea. Maybe you left to sit on the pot and read a book during this sequence. Cheap shots and childish name calling aside, you really need to watch the film again or reassess your comprehension skills. Cinema is not a difficult medium to digest. Christ, modern cinema’s not even remotely intellectual anymore and yet you clearly couldn’t devote a mere 2 hours or so of your focus time to comprehend the simple and yet enjoyable happenings of The Prestige. You read the end of the book? Moron. With the way you read, Priest’s The Prestige should have been a breakfast perusal afterthought. Freak.<P> Now for the wife’s opinion: So I read the book that you decided to only read the end of. Um, okay, where did you decide to start reading? Were you wondering who those characters were that weren’t in the movie? I’m not Christopher Priest so I don’t know exactly how he decided that the machine was going to work (by the way, don’t bother with any of his other books if The Prestige confused you, dumb ass), but you step in and you die. Pretty fucking simple. Oh, and key to the whole theme of the book and the movie. The ‘kid’ that you seem to remember from the end of the book that you never bothered to read was someone else completely. The dates were the dates of the performances. Yeah, that is why you either start at the beginning or you don’t bother reading a book at all.<P> Oh, and in my humble opinion there are three kinds of people in this world: 1) people who brag that they never read (i.e. idiots), 2) people who can’t seem to shut up about how much they read (i.e. liars like you), and 3) people who actually read and comprehend and don’t make a big deal listing off the books they have read because it’s not a big deal or something to brag about it is just what they like and do.<P> Now if you want to write a fucking novel to show that you have no idea what you are talking about, maybe you should start by reading a grammar book to teach yourself how to make a point and maybe take a basic writing class so the point you are attempting to make is actually conveyed because, seriously, you sound like a crazy person. Oh, and how ARE you able to read a book a day when you are writing novel-length tirades to show how smart and right you are on TB boards??<P> Um, one more thing. It HAD to be Tesla and not Edison. Read a bit of history and use some common sense.<P> Clearly your opinion and stance is concrete & therefore not an open forum for reason. Anything anyone else says will not change your mind and/or make a difference. Who cares what the novel the film was based on conveyed? You simply couldn’t bother to follow the film you paid to see. Loose.<P>

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 6:34 p.m. CST

    AICN = Spoiler Heaven

    by HeWhoCannotBeNamed

    "There is not one truth cast into stone, only lies cast in our face"

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 6:38 p.m. CST


    by MrJJonz

    Some rules on commenting on this site on comic book movies.<P>Batman Begins cannot be touched . . .it is genius<P>Superman returns if fucking awful (as is The Hulk)<P>Spiderman 1 & 2 are good but 3 will suck<P>Fantastic Four sucks as will sequel<P>If you differ from this you will get into an argument . . .as has happened to me

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 6:44 p.m. CST


    by lynxpro

    Sorry, but SR sucked. The box office was the first to bear witness to the fact, and the entire racks worth of unrented DVDs of the movie at your local Blockbuster and Hollywood Video also bear witness to it. Unlike *Batman Begins*, the movie did not prove itself to be a monster on DVD. It blew, and hopefully the WB brass will come to that realization and seek a new direction (and director) the next time. To me, if you can't top a low-budget Superman'ish tv show on a subpar network, then you shouldn't waste $250 million - $350 million on a movie that most people won't waste any money to see in the theatre.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 6:48 p.m. CST


    by JackieJokeman

    Either you missed my point or just wanted to needlessly make an obvious if not total accurate point. Eckhart is the first American cast in one of the real leads by Nolan. That was the point.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 6:51 p.m. CST


    by lynxpro

    I'd say the only good part in *The Last Action Hero* was our Action Governor showing up in a Shakespearian piece with his machine guns. Yes, it was utter camp and was meant to be. It was disappointing because in no way does it measure up to say, *Commando*. Then again, its about at the same level as any scifi wanna-be flick starring Will Smith, now that I think about it. Time will tell if *I Am Legend* turns out to be the same quality level as a Paul W.S. Anderson, MSJ, or Uwe Boll creation. I do know that it won't come close to topping Chuck Heston's *The Omega Man* regardless of how close it supposedly gets to the source material. Heston > Smith, to the 1000th degree. Heck, I'd place my money on Heston - now addled with Alzheimers - still handing Chuck Norris his midget posterior while using Steven Segal as the mop for clean-up duty.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 6:50 p.m. CST

    I realise all the faults that Superman Returns

    by MrJJonz

    has but I liked it more than Batman Begins. I haven't seen Superman since I saw it at the cinema so not sure how well it will hold up on 2nd viewing (sometimes I get caught up in the whole big screen big noise experience) but I have watched Batman 3 times (once at cinema and twice at home) trying to figure out why it is held at such high esteem and can't figure it out. In fact it gets a little bit worse with every viewing.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 6:57 p.m. CST


    by lynxpro

    SR did not turn a profit. It cost over $300+ million. Add marketing costs - both domestic and foreign - and it still did not break even because the studios don't get 100% of ticket sales. It was a dud. The rentals aren't good. Had you opened your eyes while strolling into your local video store during the week that the flick hit DVD, you would have noticed how unsuccessful it was. People don't want a sequel to that inferior flick when they can sit at home and watch *Smallville* - regardless of writing talent (or lack thereof) - for free. But go ahead, you can prefer the metro Kal El as portrayed by the actor who lost the same role on *Smallville* to Tom Welling if you like, just don't try to project that bizarre preference on the rest of moviedom.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 7:03 p.m. CST

    continued for supercowbell

    by lynxpro

    Just because you liked *Batman Begins* does not excuse you for liking an inferior and outdated version of cinematic Superman. Routh is not better than Welling, and the tired interpretation of Lex Luthor - this time portrayed by Kevin Spacey - does not hold a candle to Rosenbaum's version. And don't even get me started on how Bosworth doesn't measure up to Erica Durance. Your side is like arguing that President's Choice soda is better than Coke.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 7:15 p.m. CST

    Smallville is greatly different to Superman

    by MrJJonz

    Tom welling is good for the smallville version as I thing Routh has alot going for him as big screen Supes. I wouldn't have wanted to see Welling as big screen supes . . .he just seems a little youthful (not sure what the real life age difference is between Welling and Routh)<P>I agree with the Spacey comment. I wasn't sold on his Luthor interpretation (I put that down to the writing rather than his ability)but again I don't think Rosenbaum would have been right for big screen.<P>Smallville just comes across as too youthful for big screen Supes. (I like Smallville . . .it has grown on me as it has gone on).<P>I am very interested as to where Supes will go in the sequel. I also can't believe it lost as much money as what a lot of people say as surely it would have been dumped by the studio or relaunched in the way that Hulk is being relaunched. No I don't know the exact figures of cost plus marketing figures against total income and I don't believe anyone does apart from studios and I don't pretend to understand how studios work in their decisions on film projects (hell how did Stealth get made?)

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 7:19 p.m. CST

    well well well

    by Deus Vult

    I go away for a little while and no one's calling Jonz by his formal name "MrJJonz, Esq." or using "whilst" or talking about fascists.<p>In other news, my interest in this casting is a solid GOOD and high hopes the sequel is as much fun as the first one.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Mr Deus esq

    by MrJJonz

    How the hell you been keeping?<P>Long time no hear. Me doing the same thing of staying up late, posting crap that makes no sense to anyone but me (I sometimes feel I was the only one who wasn't totally enamoured by Batman Begins) and drinking Guiness and the like. <P>You heard from Dick Nicley esq recently? I keep checking out his website. I see it has expanded recently. I especially like the Questionable Poetry and Recipe sections . . .much amusement.<P>I am also really disappointed by this site. The repligin maching is being called the replign machine by everyone. I would love repligin to make a comeback and set the record straight

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 7:25 p.m. CST

    Oh and . . .

    by MrJJonz

    me having no big love for Batman Begins . . .For Shame

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 7:28 p.m. CST


    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    c'mon guys, we can generate enough steam to get one up and running. the execs troll this place all the time. lets let our voices be heared! who do we want to see besides the obvious Batman and Superman? <P> Spidey and Daredevil? <P> toss those ideas this way!

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 7:34 p.m. CST

    Is it just me or does Thomas Jane look like

    by MrJJonz

    Christopher Lambert at times??<P>Hawk and Dove needs to be made (not actually a team up flick per se . . .but I'm sure I'll come up with a better one soon apart from wanting Kingdom Come made)

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 7:35 p.m. CST

    tips for proper talkbacks and more from Uncle Deus

    by Deus Vult

    First off cowbell, no talkback comments should ever relate to the movie at hand. Instead, one should focus on such things as cats, women, getting banned, porn, timetraveler John Titor, and other things of such nature.<p>To JJonz, I've been buried in work, stuff w/the wife, and trying to keep my distance from this site. Posting can be addicting in terms of maintaining conversations but also disheartening as some of the mods get a little too out of control with their hallmonitor sash but ah who cares. I'm here for now, so let's bring on the belly dancers!<P>As for Dick Nicely, we exchanged emails a few times trying to get to the bottom of the "time traveling / repligin" conspiracy but it got exhausting. Newcomers to the "repligin" concept didn't understand or know about the relation to Titor, and instead found it fun to call the practice of digging up five year old talkbacks and posting therein as "repliging" or "time traveling" or "using my repligin machine." How these morons (and I NEVER use derogatory language on this site, you know that) managed to tie repligin (the aicn time-traveling poster) to the idiotic habit of unearthing old talkbacks is beyond me. Another reason I've taken a long break! AS FOR NICELY--haven't heard from him lately but I suppose I could shoot him a quick email and let him know we're up late. Er, you're up late rather, it's only 7:33 in texas.<p>Finally, I loved the modern Batman and Superman. Hulk and FF weren't "awesome" but were okay. And as a child born in 1977 I'm just happy to see my boyhood heroes on the big screen (and backed up by a huge budget by the way) in any form. I don't think for a second Spidey3 will suck (as most others do) because there's just too much money at stake. But money isn't something people here understand. Prolly cos they live with their parents...tee hee...

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 7:35 p.m. CST

    my thoughts on SR

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    i dont think ive ever given my 2 cents on the whole SR debacle seeing as how i was late to the party since i avoided it theatricaly. <P> i admit ive never been a big supes fan, but i really want to. to me he works best with other heroes. anytime he and batman get together, fuck im there. but alone and this i think was a problem with SR, is that it has a pretentious feel to it. when i first saw the ads for SR i had to say "give me a break". and i was right, wasnt i? the whole film smacked of "holyer than thou" feel to it, which i think made the film feel boring and just plain stale. superman desperately needed some humor and not from a hammy Lex Luthor. it just felt like a masterbatory excersise with no payoff. <P> anyways im sure im just repeating shit others have already said but i will admit the plane sequence was kinda cool, and thats what the film needed more of. not a bland and quite frankly bastardised version of the character, but aq better display of what he stands for and what he can do. i want to see him repeling asteroids and shit. obliterating them with a single punch. not lifting cars..we got enough of that in the 70's and even in fucking fan films.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 7:43 p.m. CST

    Hmmm it may be 7.40pm to you

    by MrJJonz

    but it is 1.40am to me. Ahh the joy of timetravel. Fire that email off. Dick is bound to be up drinking french coffee like a madman.<P>As for Shogun . . .The Loeb Batman / Superman crossovers I loved although I did think they got a bit weaker as the series went on. I loved what he had them thinking of each other. It nicely brought it back from the Miller hate each other to alot of respect for each other while still highlighting the differences.<P>Hey Deus I appear to be staying on topic alot tonight. Also hope the wifey is ok and not thinking you are chatting to women on a film TB site (I have heard rumours of their existence but only happened to discover two)

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 7:46 p.m. CST

    supercowbell just use the phrase

    by MrJJonz

    'proof reading is for chumps' after every message . . .it helps. Also amused me your edit message needed editing.<P>Me and Deus are much for the plutonic man love rather than the name calling hatred that so often happens (I do believe I was called a cunt and a fucking idiot for not loving Batman Begins)

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 7:54 p.m. CST

    Cross over with Martian Manhunter??

    by MrJJonz

    Oh but who to put him with??

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 7:53 p.m. CST


    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    i agree the stories got a bit weaker but the one shots are usually top notch. and i agree that the Miller Hate/Respect dynamic is key to the twos relationship

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 7:58 p.m. CST


    by MrJJonz

    I think it is time for a Loeb love in. After Teen Wolf, TW2, Commando etc this guy is due to write a good comic book film. Long Halloween, Dark Victory, Superman for all Seasons, Spiderman Blue, Daredevil Yellow, Batman / Superman . . .take your pick of books that would make good films . . .c'mon you TB trolling execs feel the love

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 7:58 p.m. CST

    stay on topic or else the AICN SS will come for you!

    by Deus Vult

    Indeed if you stray too much from the topic JJonz the AICN SS will come for you! But instead of wearing tall black boots, steel helmets and armbands they wear elastic waistband jeans (for a reason), new balance running shoes, and a Cobra (gijoe enemy) logo tshirt that shows off their belly roll.<P>The wife knows there are no women on this site, trust me. in five years of reading it I've only seen or heard of one and that was makiko (can't remember her uid). thanks for asking though. she's watching "days of our lives" on thd dvr and is thus quite distracted.<p>I sent the note to Nicely. Keep your fingers crossed that he's not wrist deep in some vagina in a cup right now and will actually see and respond to the email.<p>Movie topic: I'm glad Katie Holmes will NOT be in the sequel. She's an idiot altogether.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 7:59 p.m. CST


    by MrJJonz

    The mere mention of loving Big Mommas House 2 has had me laughing for the last 5 mins . . .brilliant. Yeah If I had loved it never mind even seen it then I would deserve the word cunt

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 8:01 p.m. CST


    by MaulRat

    I know its not a direct adaptation of the book if it has any other ending.. but... this is how I reckon the Prestiege should have ended... MY ALTERNATE ENDING.... Jackman is dying.. the whole scene plays out.. he dies thinking it was a cloning machine.. the backstage gets set on fire and Bale walks out.. As Christian Bales character walks out of the abandoned theatre he hands a man (who we can't see) a wad of money, and keeps walking... then we hear Bale say "Are you watching closely" over him walking off and then the monologue about the whole meaning of "the prestige" from Michael Caine over a montage of clips... The first scene is the bird squashing, "First comes the pledge.... The magician shows you something ordinary" the next scene is of the actor 'double' with the big teeth, and him talking to Bale at the bar, the next scene is the bullet catch... then you see tesla plant a gun near the machine, you see Jackman shoot his double after he comes out of the closet after using the machine. "you're an actor, you're supposed to be dead, so try not to beathe" you then see him get up after the original jackman is gone and pulls a bladder filled with pigs blood out of his chest that was attached to a metal plate... the ball bouncing along the floor..... "Next comes the turn".... then you see what seems to be Bale paying Tesla with a big brown bag of money, you see tesla say "i've already begun building it".. the next scene is the same bag Tesla carries with him when he says to Jackman "You're our last financier".. The ball continues to bounce...... then you see Bale throwing hats around outside teslas place making Jackman think that its cloning his hats.. then you see Jackman realising that tesla has made a cloning machine.. "But it isn't enough to make a man disappear, you have to make him reappear".. the NEW transporting man trick with Jackmans double rising through the floor, we see jackman unconscious as he drops through the floor after the elctricity pulses through his body in the electrical transporting man trick.. Then we see Jackmans double is dropped into the water and for all intents and purposes drowns.. . then he flips the latch and unlocks the trick lock, and Caine does a bait and switch with a dummy corpse that is fashioned to look like Jackman, the ball keeps bouncing... You wonder why Caine is helping Bale.. "You should stop kissing your wifes leg, if I can see it, the guy in the 3rd row can see it", we see Caine standing off scene with a pocket watch, we see Jackmans wife drowning, Caine rushing to her aid, Jackman over his wife crying, Caine on the verge of crying as well (didn't see that coming did you)... you see little quick clips of Bales diary, the piece of paper that says tesla, Christian bales character handing Jackmans 'the prestiege notes' through the jail and Jackman ripping it up, we look to the ground and see glimpses of the notes which are actually, 2 birth certificates, that have the same last name, we see flashes of Bales characters changing outfits and disguises we also see more paperwork of a medical report, flashes of the words "tuberculosis"... and "months to live"... then we see Bales character from behind bars... who looks as though he loves his daughter.... as it happens he loves his niece..... then bales character, dying in jail, accepting his fate "AINT A JAIL THAT WILL HOLD ME" Bale throws the ball in the jail... Bale hangs.... the ball is caught... ".. then comes.... the prestiege....." We see bale walking off with the ball in his hand.... he picks up his daughter and kisse her sweetly... The final shot of the film is a pan up from the wad of money, given to the mystery man.... we see nothing of the mans face.... save for a pair of Big bucky teeth... and he walks off down the street whistling..................... ..... aaaaaand scene. Cut to black...... Bale.... sotto voce "Abra-cadabra" That's my alternate ending...... I like it... but then again I dont make or write movies I just thought I'd put it out there.. I may even do a quick mock up with Adobe Premiere to see how it looks on film.... just for the hell of it. P.S. NOLAN ROCKS HARD.... And Eckhart will do well as Dent, but I'm not convinced about him as 2 face.... silly as that sounds.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 8:02 p.m. CST

    Katie Holmes is not only

    by MrJJonz

    an idiot but an idiot who looks like she has had a mild stroke.<P>Your wife has quite the fantabulous DVD collection. She truly is girly to the max

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 8:04 p.m. CST

    My god MaulRat

    by MrJJonz

    That is one long post. And I haven't seen the original film so can't quite bring myself to read your post but welcome to the TB. On a personal level I'm hoping for a list of Deus wife's DVD collection

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 8:06 p.m. CST

    speaking of big momma's house 2...and harvey dent too

    by Deus Vult

    1. I heard the reason Dave Chapelle quit his show is because Neil wrote a sketch with Dave wearing a dress and Dave felt that "the man" ALWAYS puts a successful black comedian in a dress to help remind him of his place in the world (ie: jamie foxx, eddit murphy, martin from big momma's house, etc) and Dave just felt there was no way he was gonna tolerate that.<p>2. How did AICN address the change in Harvey Dent from Billy Dee Williams in the original Batman to Tommy Lee Jones in the batman & robin or batman forever or whatever movie he was in?<p>3. The wife is making amaretto hot cocoas for us. looks like Deus might get lucky. or just drunk and fall asleep early.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 8:13 p.m. CST


    by MrJJonz

    Careful in asking how AICN addressed character changes in an old film. The whole digging up old TB thing may raise it's ugly head again.<P>And now my colon sucks reappears who I haven't heard from recently. How is that prostate holding up. I've just begun reading Papillon and there is an occuring theme regarding 'chargers' which reminds me of you

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 8:17 p.m. CST

    where the hell did colon come from?

    by Deus Vult

    colon good to see you. I hope all's well with you.<p>Funny story, I have to have a colonoscopy in two weeks. I'm so not excited about it. please tell me I'm too young at 31 for colon cancer!!!<p>The wife and/or I have some rented some awful movies lately. here's the run down for JJonz and everyone else at AICN: <p>1. flyboys: watched the first 25 minutes and turned it off. too slow, too dull.<p>2. running with scissors: worst. movie. ever. watched 17 minutes or so.<p>3. material girls: the latest from hilary duff (the wife LOVES her). she even has her sister haylie (from napoleon dynamite I think) in it. the wife watched about 15 minutes and turned it off.<p>4. the illusionist: so stupid. I fell asleep.<p>As for being peaceful, flame wars don't get you anywhere and just make you look stupid. plutonic man love is fine with me as Jonz says so long as we don't "greek out"...which is odd considering I was in a fraternity in college.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 8:24 p.m. CST

    In the Company of Men

    by 2Utah2

    Anyone who says that Eckhart has not shown his acting chops (a la Bale in American Psycho) needs to check out this flick. Eckhart plays the ultimate asshole salesman that has so many over the line scenes. Great indie flick, it might be Eckhart's first performance.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 8:24 p.m. CST

    is "speaking of big momma's house 2" the next taint or

    by Deus Vult

    gotta eat or nipples on or flames on or damn you so and so or so and so raped my childhood or for shame or vagina in a cup or ah forget it. I can't remember any more aicn old catchphrases. either way cowbell I give you the torch to carry. go forth my son!<p>hey does anyone here have a wife/girlfriend who watches "grey's anatomy"? it's the WORST show on television boys trust me (she just started last night's episode on the dvr).

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 8:27 p.m. CST

    2utah2 was eckhart in thank you for smoking?

    by Deus Vult

    or am I thinking of someone else?

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 8:27 p.m. CST

    Hell Deus

    by MrJJonz

    Good luck with the test pal. Fingers crossed and all that.<P>Thanks for the heads up on the films. Not sure I've seen anything with Hillary Duff in but I have heard the name. After Sin City it was all about Britanny Murphy for me . . .I think pre Sin City she was probably in the same vein as the Duffster. Here is me looking forward to Sin City 2. Bring it on in all your green screen wonderfulness . . .bring it on

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 8:30 p.m. CST

    And balls to Greys Anatomy, it's all about House

    by MrJJonz

    wacky American accent and all. Hugh Laurie is excellent. If you Americans ever get the chance to see Jeeves and Wooster Mr Laurie and Stephen Fry are marvellous . . .on could almost say National Treasures . . .also the books by P G Wodehouse are just amazing

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 8:32 p.m. CST

    colon TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION prolly wiped the place

    by Deus Vult

    just before you got there. where's he been by the way? I love that guy!<p>Oh the wife LOVES brit murphy too, she's rented or bought all her movies. I think she's hot now that she's thin but got a little too thin there for awhile.<p>Jonz, don't get upset, but I've not yet seen Sin City...comments...I'm open...

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 8:33 p.m. CST

    Colon . . the time difference often plays havoc

    by MrJJonz

    with trying to get involved with TB's. I myself have often found myself foraging through the same trash cans for someone to engage with. Posting is often a lonely business

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 8:36 p.m. CST

    Deus . . re Sin City

    by MrJJonz

    Very stylised . . .very Frank Miller in voice overs . . .quite noir in my opinion . . .I would recommend to anyone (but have actually found people who I though would love it didn't and vice versa)

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 8:38 p.m. CST

    And just to celebrate this reunion

    by MrJJonz

    an advert for Hannibal Rising has just appeared on TV. The stars are aligned tonight my friends

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 8:39 p.m. CST

    balls to greys anatomy eh? I like that usage there Jonz

    by Deus Vult

    I've never heard "balls" used that way but I like it. it makes sense. and greys anatomy SUCKS. it's just so depressing. I think Hugh won a golden globe recently, pretty sure.<p>posting is a lonely business sometimes because people often look for a fight to stick around and then troll to other talkbacks to find one. in any case, we've got ourselves a party here boys BEFORE the trash is collected colon so let's enjoy it!

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 8:41 p.m. CST

    Momma's House 3?????

    by MrJJonz

    Big Momma's House: The Lost World?

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 8:43 p.m. CST

    in movie new liv tyler and charlize theron are hot

    by Deus Vult

    just realized the wife is now watching "that thing you do!" on HBO on-demand and both liv and charlize are in this movie and both liv and charlize give me a stiffy. tee hee.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 8:43 p.m. CST

    'Balls' used in that way is a very British thing

    by MrJJonz

    methinks. In the same way 'fanny' means something totally different to you and me

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 8:46 p.m. CST

    Charlize Theron is Hot??

    by MrJJonz

    I've never seen that in her. But Liv strangely never looked hotter to me then when she had those elf ears. Somehow they just worked with her<P>And I loved the 'tee hee' as if you are sat there with a 'lazy lob on' and your wife hasn't noticed

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 8:49 p.m. CST

    I'd put it in liv's fanny. or charlize's fanny.

    by Deus Vult

    oh come on, you would too!<p>easy mods, here's my movie comment: Liv Tyler should be the next g/f for bats in the sequel.<p>I saw the hannibal rising commercial about a week ago and shed a tear for that talkback. oh wait here it comes: <p>I meant "in movie newS" but as we all know proofreading is for suckers (I can hear Jonz clapping right now)

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 8:50 p.m. CST

    Deus Vult

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    yes my wife is addicted to Greys and yes it is fucking horrid. if u have to hear her swoon over some stump-fuck named "McDreamy" again im getting a divorce and keeping the kids. swear to god.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 8:54 p.m. CST

    Fanny Pack . . .hahahahahahahah

    by MrJJonz

    enough said

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 8:57 p.m. CST

    i used top rock a fanny pack back in the day

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    nothing like being let loose in disneyland for the first time when ur 11 or so with a neon lime green fanny pack loaded with a wad of cash for that kick ass star wars shop in tomorrowland ;P

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 8:56 p.m. CST

    shotgun my friend its terrible just terrible

    by Deus Vult

    Deus' dad has prostate cancer but has made it through chemo just fine. but when some intern's dad died a few weeks ago I lost it envisioning the same thing for mine. I yelled at the wife to turn that awful fucking show off immediately. I refuse to be in the same room with it. <p>charlize is most certainly hot and yes liv was extra hot with the ears and the long hair and the fare skin and everything.<p>Jonz, what's a "lazy lob on" anyway?

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 8:59 p.m. CST

    or pack fanny . . . hahahahahahaha

    by MrJJonz

    well it amused me. . .just like the time I saw a job advert in the newspaper for a 'fudge packer' . . true story

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 9:03 p.m. CST

    glad ur dads do'n ok

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    and regardless of medical scares that show is loaded with so much estrogen it needs to be moved to the O Channel. 9pm on thurs is when the kids and i retire to the study for an hour to play some Gears of War or something haha. <P> and i think a "lazy lob on" is a hard on *shrugs*

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 9:02 p.m. CST

    'Lazy lob on'

    by MrJJonz

    Not a popular phrase at all . . .but you know that time when you have a 'semi' but you can't quite be bothered with it . . .often upon waking . . .it's what I call a 'lazy lob on' . . .don't know why . . .but it has managed to replace the term 'semi' for me

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 9:06 p.m. CST

    i love brit slang

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    reminds me of snatch <P> "doesnt anyone speak english around here? i thought you guys spawned the fucking language"...haha

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 9:06 p.m. CST

    Deus sorry and happy for your Dad

    by MrJJonz

    Bound to make you worry . .if worst comes to worst then you are young and your Dad beat it so you will as well . . .but don't let it rule your life until you know for sure. Shit words are shit especially when typed but I hope you know where I coming from. My fingers are crossed for you, friend

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 9:07 p.m. CST

    I hope my last message made sense

    by MrJJonz


  • Feb. 16, 2007, 9:08 p.m. CST


    by MrJJonz

    I laughed my ass off at the title of that film . . .and then did at the standard of it. Glad to see Guy Ritchie has been found out

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 9:09 p.m. CST

    I just got off the phone with my grandpa

    by RKDN Del Sol

    He says to tell you Denny's blows.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 9:11 p.m. CST

    Just watched the basketball scene in Police Squad

    by MrJJonz

    God that program was funny. If it shows the scene where Al wipes a bit of food from the corner of his mouth (a banana) I will make sex wee in my pants

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 9:12 p.m. CST

    I just got off the phone with your father RKDN Del Sol

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    he says to tell you that youre a disapointment to everyone

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 9:14 p.m. CST


    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    yeah we were all laughing about the title too. i think it was intentional, haha. great flick tho. Brad Pitt can do no wrong now since he made that and Fight if only he'd play Captain America ;)

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 9:14 p.m. CST

    Shogun's response to RKDN

    by MrJJonz

    harsh but amusing

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 9:16 p.m. CST

    he had it coming

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    he's a troll,and thus my mortal enemy

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 9:21 p.m. CST


    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    where did u read that?

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 9:23 p.m. CST

    if Deus has colon or rectal cancer he's gonna buy a 360

    by Deus Vult

    and gears of war just like shogun (who I think I called shotgun by mistake). the wife cant say no then can she? truth be told I don't think she would say no anyway, but the first xbox and the first halo made our lives difficult. I played and beat every level on legendary. it took months, but I did it. she didn't find the accomplishment noteworthy however.<p>thanks for the kind words Jonz and shogun. I think the prep for the colonoscopy will be much worse than the actual exam.<p>okay back to good thoughts: I've had a lazy lob on for days since I saw beyonce on the cover of the latest SI. and to think jayz nails that. funniest part is that her parents' house was a block away from my fraternity house in college.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 9:22 p.m. CST

    Maggie Gyllenhall

    by MrJJonz

    I have a real thing for her. Possibly from the secretary. . .not sure. . .ah hell who am I kidding . . .definitely from The Secretary<P>Oh and RKDN is a troll then he does deserve it. As I stated previously, plutonic man love is the way forward

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 9:23 p.m. CST

    Police Squad

    by MrJJonz

    'My God my daughter is a needle in a haystack!'<P>'Not true . . .I've seen her picture and she is very attractive'

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 9:26 p.m. CST

    Lazy lob on

    by MrJJonz

    is the new Vagina In a Cup<P>It's true I tell you<P>Deus, go for the Ninentdo Wii. Apparently it is good excercise as well . . .well that will be the excuse I use when I eventually get one

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 9:31 p.m. CST

    Wii? NNNNOOOOOOOooooooo

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    dont go for the Wii, and im not fanboy bashing, it just sucks. we have every system and the Wii is a novelty that wears very thin. its fun for a few days then you realize the games are just gimmicks. the 360 is the fave in the house and the PS3 running a close 2nd (just not that many god games yet...praying for MGS4) so if ur planning on getting a system then go for the 360, trust me.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 9:35 p.m. CST


    by MrJJonz

    I am shit at games . . .no you probably don't understand how bad I am. I completed PS2 Lego Star Wars (the first one) and that is it. I love shit like super monkey ball for the fun factor and games factor so having something like boxing, tennis, bowling, yet more monkey ball is something that I think suits me. (oh i did complete Snes Mario Kart - still the best game ever in my opinion) . . .plus it's alot cheaper (in the UK at least) so fits my budget. (just done many improvements to my house including new driveway which has drained all my money)

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 9:37 p.m. CST


    by MrJJonz

    No give AICN another week and they may get there . . .oohhh I'm sounding like someone who knows something about movies . . .actually I've just seen alot of other posts saying 'aint it old news' etc etc etc blah blah blah

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 9:41 p.m. CST

    might be ok for u then

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    if youre a casual gamer then it might suit you better. and there are some good games, namely the new Zelda. just dont expect anything mindblowing, at least not right away. and i will admit the Wii Sports Tennis is a blast, especially if u have kids.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 9:42 p.m. CST

    no worries about the wii, I can't find one anyway

    by Deus Vult

    Target, WalMart, TRU, nowhere has 'em. I think shogun may be right in saying the novelty wears off. I feared that, but I must admit it looks like alot of fun.<p>the 360 looks amazing however. my homey has one and just beat gears of war wednesday morning. couldn't do any vday shopping till he beat it. <p>now, what news on halo3?

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 9:41 p.m. CST

    Jesus didn't have wheels??

    by MrJJonz

    You've lost me cowbell. Has there been a post I didn't see? Is someone trolling again?

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 9:45 p.m. CST

    halo 3

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    i pre-ordered The Crackdown so i'll be beta testing the multiplayer :) hoping its good. and yes the novelty of the Wii wears thin but it is fun and really accessible to ppl. kids like it (mostly my girls) and im not convinced the PS3 is any better than the 360 at this point. some of the titles actually look worse i think, like Call of Duty 3.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 9:44 p.m. CST

    Shogun I don't have kids

    by MrJJonz

    but if I had a 3 yr old he would still kick my ass on games. Novelty really takes a long time to wear off with me. . .I still use the same jokes I was using 20 yrs ago eg 'I'm Hungry' . . .'Nice to meet you Hungry, I'm Jonz'<P>You can probably see why the Wii would suit me

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 9:48 p.m. CST

    Oh and I think the Wii

    by MrJJonz

    is just a fictional item in any case. I have heard of friends of friends owning them but never someone I actually know

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 9:48 p.m. CST

    almost that time boys

    by Deus Vult

    yes I know its only almost 10 but yea the night is almost to a close...Halo3 looks awesome but so did halo2 in the trailers and it SUCKED. just sucked. too...something that wasn't halo to me.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 9:51 p.m. CST

    halo 2 sucked because

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    it was a fucking tease and didnt feel epic. somehow it seemed smaller than the 1st game. plus playing a the covenant for half the game didnt help any either. <P> and yeah jonz the wii might be right up your alley, haha

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 9:52 p.m. CST

    Jonz you are so right!

    by Deus Vult

    I don't know anyone personally who has one. only people who know people who have them. and I'm telling you there's never been a single one at any store I've ever been to. which doesn't make any sense. they do have at least half a dozen ps3's sitting in the cases however.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 9:51 p.m. CST

    Deus nearly 4am here

    by MrJJonz

    I'll email Dick Nicley and see if I can get your email address through him if you don't mind . . .just in case I don't cross paths with you again for awhile on this TB.<P>Take care pal and nice to hear from you again

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 9:52 p.m. CST

    And now I do a Titor

    by MrJJonz

    or repligin . . .depending on your weapon of choice

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 9:54 p.m. CST

    haha the wii isnt that hard to find here

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    im in California and theyre are quite a few if you look around. plus preorders help get u one sooner. plus it helps to have friends working at Best Buy ;)

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 9:52 p.m. CST

    Big Mistake In The Prestige-spoilers?

    by hooties mcboob

    I just watched this in the last couple of days, loved it to bits, but agree that the ending was flawed. Too much went down to chance. I can accept the coincidences but one stood out as a glaring mistake. How did Jackman know that Bale was watching his clone die? In every one of his performance the original Jackman falls through the trap door and drowns and the transported clone end up on the rear balcony instantly. How then on this performance did the new Jackman clone know NOT to come out and reveal himself to the audience. Forgive me if I'm not making myself clear on this but there is simply no way that the Jackman character would know Bale is by the tank thus preventing him from revealing himself and faking his death.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 9:55 p.m. CST

    Shogun . . .welcome to the UK

    by MrJJonz

    Shit weather . . .big delay on films . . .and game consoles (apparently) although no fault line that I know of.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 9:58 p.m. CST

    dick's email address

    by Deus Vult

    Jonz, great time tonight. always fun. thanks for all the good words. here's nicely's email address:<p>see you boys tomorrow. not quite bed time but time to close this out. mods be damned.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 9:57 p.m. CST

    Dear God . . it is only me and Deus

    by MrJJonz

    who would struggle to get a Wii (strangely sounds weird). Berlin . . .California . . .anyone else want to state how many Wiis are going spare??

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 10:02 p.m. CST

    later Deus

    by the_shogun_gunslinger

    good chatt'n. im gonna jet for a few and finish making dinner. later

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 10:03 p.m. CST

    Later Deus . . Catch up with you soon

    by MrJJonz


  • Feb. 16, 2007, 10:08 p.m. CST

    So it is 4.05am in the UK

    by MrJJonz

    Shall we take a vote on what time I turn in. I havy a busy day ahead . . .food shopping and also a day of FA Cup football and my beloved Man Utd playing which will involve more drinking . . .ahh weekends were made for such things.<P>Just thinking, Colon may be the only one who understands the football reference but not sure at all about the FA Cup thing for him in Berlin . . .our commentators keep saying how the FA Cup is watched across the world but I'm never quite believing of them . . .hell they keep saying Ashley Cole is a good left back. If no one follows football (or saoccer to Americans) then this last post means nothing apart from being the waffling of a man who has been awake too long

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 10:10 p.m. CST


    by MrJJonz

    Proof reading is for chumps

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 10:15 p.m. CST

    The action will stink again because...

    by shmucky

    He doesnt know how to do it. Nolan has no problem building suspense, creating mood and giving us drama... but he can't lens action. I'm not saying I want Michael Bay (he sucks for the same reasons: over-reliance on close ups, useless and rapid cutting) but I would prefer someone who could tell a tight story and develop great characters as well as provide the action. The batmobile chase? ONE clever shot: the extreme low angle of the cop with the nose of the car swinging over the roof's ledge. The rest was obvious miniature and more close ups. Burton painted a good picture but couldnt do story (as usual) but at least he shot the fights well. Who else should Nolan take a lesson from? I'd say Cuaron and Spielberg. They're doing continuous action shots, and its gripping.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 10:17 p.m. CST

    I hated the batmobile chase

    by MrJJonz

    Just felt pointless. I agree with the shooting of the action . . .not good. I also don't think the costume helps . . .what good is a batman who can't turn his head when fighting

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 10:22 p.m. CST

    I can't believe that...

    by Juggernaut125

    I just spent the last 2+ hours reading the majority of these talkbacks. Mostly the long posts. And I'd like to preface this long rant with the following information: I enjoy comicbook adaptations wherein the production takes the source material seriously. As such, I loved Batman Begins, Spiderman 1 & 2, and The Hulk. I could actually tolerate Daredevil (except for the stupidity of how high and far the guy could jump around. The toxic waste made him blind and enhanced his other senses, it didn't make him the Incredible Flea! oh, and the fight with King Pin could have been a little better too.) But I hated what they did with Superman Returns. Singer does not understand the iconic figure of Superman. The thing about Superman and why he is The World's Greatest Superhero is not because of his powers, but because he ALWAYS makes the right choices. THAT is his power. To do right. Not to use his powers for his own personal agendas. Yet these are the crimes that he commits: Spying on his ex-gf with his x-ray vision. Sneaking in to her house at night to stare at a kid. Having sex with an 18 or 19 year old woman, then leaving her for 5 or 6 years to go looking for his home which he should KNOW doesn't exist any more. She must have been that young, because there is NO WAY she would be older than 25 in this movie and her son is at least 5 years old. (Older probably). And the kid was the biggest atrocity perpetrated upon the world. Because he can't be undone now. He should never have been in it in the first place. And that is the biggest crime of this movie. It cannot be undone. Oh sure, as a super'hero' movie, it's ok. but as a SUPERMAN movie, it is horrible. It baffles me how many people can enjoy it, when these facts should be obvious. It also baffles me that Singer, until now a respectable proponent of comicbook adaptations, would not choose to do a re-launch of his own. In order to repair some of the mistakes that Donner made. (Pa Kent LIVES!!! Lex Luthor is actually very powerful, financially as well as mentally). And perhaps have more action, say, with a Metallo henchman. Now, granted BB DOES have some flaws as well, (the machine they use is ridiculous) but it is much closer to the historical Batman comics than Supes is to it's source material. That being said, in regards to this new casting of Dent, I will leave that to Nolan and his respect for the material. And as was stated earlier, don't kill off the Joker at the end, let him be psychotic and dangerously maniacal. Not quite so Nicholson whimsical. Good luck Nolan. On a final note: I loved The Prestiege. I could follow the story easily and was not thrown by the 'trick ending' as some have called it. It made sense to me. I echo McBane's sentiments as to the reasons behind what was going on, with Tesla. With Bald and Jackman. And the secret about the trick.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 10:25 p.m. CST

    Was it his last performance...

    by hooties mcboob

    If so, I didn't pick up on it. But it would still make little sense to just disappear when the point of the trick is to lure Bale in and fake his death. The core of Jackman's obsession is his quest for fame which I'm sure he would want to continue. I guess though, he could fake his death and come back later as aladdin sane or something. Maybe I am thinking about it too much.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 10:30 p.m. CST


    by Juggernaut125

    Damn.. Bale* Also. Nice post MaulRat. I appreciated your concept ending of The Prestige as well.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 10:30 p.m. CST

    Well I bid you all farewell

    by MrJJonz

    and much plutonic man love as we appeared to stay on topic quite often with any hating going around. <P>Goodnight fellow TBers . . .excelsior!!!

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 10:43 p.m. CST

    So is anyone going to argue Strangeco on his points...

    by IndustryKiller!

    or are you just going to insult him by calling him names. The guy pretty much just wrote a thesis on the flaws of The Prestige. Its a legitimate argument. I see people slamming him but I dont see anyone coming up with as comprehensive an opposing argument. The things he brought up exist in the film, if they didnt bother you the way they bother him thats fine, but the flaws he finds are very real. Some of them are nitpicks but others are gaping storytelling flaws. Also Messi its clear from your posts that it isnt Batman you like so much as Christopher Nolans Batman in particular. That Batman doesnt exist in the comic books, which you apparently disdain when you knock on "Batman DC Style". And for the record when I say Nolan got the atmosphere wrong, if you respond with "Then you want Joel Shumacher back!!!" you automatically lose. Thats just mindless invective thrown out to derail the real argument. By saying it you imply there are only two ways to do Batman on screen, Nolan and Schumacher, which we all know is ridiculous. I'm also going to guess messi, and feel free to tell me if I'm wrong, that you hover around the age of 15. At least thats the way it comes off when you sling cheap insults.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 10:43 p.m. CST

    And before I truly finish Supercowbell

    by MrJJonz

    My top comic book movies<P>1. Sin City. 2. The Hulk 3. Spiderman 4. X-Men2 5. Hellboy<P>Shit I've just realised no DC and I love their comics more . . .actually that could be why the movies don't make it. Hellboy made it 'cos I love Ron Perlman.<P>Anywho . . .that is my last post for the time being . . .hope to catch up again on this soon. Later

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 10:59 p.m. CST

    Something different...

    by glenjm

    I am incredibly excited for the Dark Knight. Both Heath Ledger and Aaron Eckhart have yet to take their careers down this path and I'm sure they will both do a great job. They are both heavyweights in the acting division and I am glad to see actors chosen that challenge my preconseptions. And yes, I would like to add to the Ratner bashing. Fuck'em.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 11:35 p.m. CST

    AVP killed any hope of team-ups for years to come

    by INWOsuxRED

    It proved the old point about how you shouldn't kill two franchises with one stone.

  • Feb. 16, 2007, 11:43 p.m. CST

    I loved Begins in the theater

    by INWOsuxRED

    but I have no desire to watch it again, mostly because the action, costumes and effects aren't that great. The story, acting, and some of the direction are good, but that makes a good movie I don't feel compelled to rewatch. I hope a gritty Joker movie might be a bit more rewatchable. I like Maggie, and I think the foundation for a great Joker intro was set up in Begins. Most of the early rumors suggest Joker won't die int his one, which is another good thing. As for future villians, I think Croc would fit well in this universe and look good on screen and would be one of the decent characters that hasn't made it to screen. Harley Quinn is a great character to add in while the Joker is on trial(if they go that way). I have no desire to see Two-Face.<br><br>Also, anyone that suggests either Schumacher Batman was in any way good is insane.

  • Feb. 17, 2007, 12:15 a.m. CST

    I'd like to refute StrangeCo's arguements.

    by Juggernaut125

    However, I only saw the movie once when it was released, and some of the events aren't so clear in my mind. Such as in what sequence everything happened. Also, I found SC's arguements to be at times incomprehensible. He would make outrageous leaps in logic and yet expound on them as if they are facts. Ie. [Quote:"The Prestige is fucking horrible"} (That right there makes his posts undeserving of being discussed :P ) [Quote: "CAUSE IT DOESN'T MATTER AS WE'LL PULL SOME SHIT OUT OF SOMEONE IN AN ALTERNATE REALITIES ASS FOR NO APPARENT REASON AND WITHOUT EXPLANATION!!!!"] What the hell does this MEAN?? 1. It's FICTION. So your real reality/alternate reality arguement holds no water. It is merely up to the observer to accept that in this particular story, someone might be able to create a machine that can duplicate objects. Perform magic, if you will. How bizarre!! In a movie about two FICTIONAL guys creating ILLUSIONS, to have someone (based on an actual historical figure) who really CAN do magic. He used Tesla, because other 'inventors' such as Edison wouldn't work. The real Tesla himself was very secretive and that lends itself much better to this storyline. [Quote: "So Jackman uses the MAGICAL DEUS EX MACHINA people-makin' machine to kill duplicates of himself NIGHT AFTER NIGHT AFTER NIGHT until fuckin' Bale CONVENIENTLY shows up to stop him/save him on the last night of his performance so that Jackman can frame Bale for the death of Jackman's (wife*)since Bale accidentally killed Jackman's wife years ago?!?!?!"] I can't completely refute this, as I cannot remember if it was the actual FINAL performance, or if it was merely the last performance, because of the trial that followed. If it was the Final performance, I can think of a number of reasons for Bale to wait until then to show up. (if not sooner.) Use your imagination. Why interupt show #3 or #42? [Quote: "INSTEAD OF JUST USING THE MAGICAL DEUS EX MACHINA PEOPLE-MAKIN' MACHINE TO MAKE A DUPLICATE OF HIS OWN WIFE!'] How many copies of his DEAD wife do you think he wants? All maggoty and rotting. You're prety sick dude. The device makes copies. That's all it did. There was no evidence that it did more than that. But you continuously keep saying that it does, and I'd like to see your proof that the machine brings dead tissue back to life. [Quote: "It's not Bale he got, but Bale's TWIN BROTHER!! Are you watching closely?!?!?! TA DA! THE PRESTIGE! Yes, that's a helluva trick you pulled Jackman, you amazing "magician" you!!! You MAGICALLY stumbled on a MAGICAL CLONING MACHINE and used it to frame a dude who MAGICALLY showed up on the last night of your performance (after you've killed hundreds if not thousands of your duplicates) instead of just MAGICALLY cloning your dead wife."] See?? This arguement is all over the place and makes no sense. Pay attention you dipshit. They introduce Borden's twin as his new Magic invention partner. To demonstrate how deep into the magic trick Borden would go (like the fishbowl magician). Hiding his identity all the time. But Angier couldn't see the trick and needed to know the secret. So, as McBane pointed out, Borden sent him to Tesla, to put him off the track of the real secret (his twin). But Tesla turned out to be more than just a technical genius. It seems that he was in fact a wizard as well. Now you can buy this or not. If you can't then the movie isn't for you. But that doesn't make it a bad movie. It just means that you aren't able to suspend your disbelief enough to accept it. Because the device he builds for Angier, is only loosely based upon Borden's 'idea'. Tesla, wizard that he is, just turned his idea into reality. And I've already stated the absurdity of using the device to resurrect his dead wife. And THAT is the theme of this movie. Two great illusionists. One a master of his CRAFT, the other a great PERFORMER. Both of them seem willing to go to any lengths to perform the greatest trick of all time. Borden mutilated himself (by cutting off his fingers) to accomplish it. Angier mutilated himself over and over again every night to do it. Remember, Angier didn't like the idea of killing the bird in the cage, but he was able to kill himself. That's one of the great aspects of this theme. [Quote: "Later, however, we find out that the Native American was actually Eugene Levy, not the actor, but ACTUALLY EUGENE LEVY (!!!)"] this weird arguement would make more sense if David Bowie was playing himself. But he wasn't. He was playing Tesla. Who WAS perhaps the only person in HISTORY (remember this takes place way back when, not yesterday) who might be able to create the device. Or at least lend credence to the possibility of the device enough for the audience to suspend their disbelief. Once again, if you couldn't. It's your fault, not Nolan's. Because it's Nolan's (the story teller's) wish that the audience wants to be entertained by the story. I was. I could believe that the Tesla in this FICTIONAL story could create a FICTIONAL device that made FICTIONAL duplicates of it's subject matter. Duplicates. It didn't make inanimate objects animate. So why would he suspect that it could raise his wife from the dead? [Quote: "A GIANT FUCKIN' ALIEN AND GIANT FUCKIN' PREDATOR DRAWN TO EARTH BY THE SMOKE SIGNALS (?!?!?!?!) DASH INTO THE DUSTY STREET, GRAB THE GUNSLINGER/CON, AND CARRY HIM BACK TO THEIR SPACESHIP AND DISAPPEAR."] This is the stupidest point you have made. Because it has no bearing in what happened in The Prestige. After one viewing I am sure that nothing like this happened. All of the pieces fit. Everything was revealed. All questions were answered, if you were willing to accept them. It's late. I'm done. I'm out.

  • Feb. 17, 2007, 2:05 a.m. CST

    juggernaut's to-do list:

    by whatyoufear

    1) read book. 2) grow brain. 3) ballz.

  • Feb. 17, 2007, 3:35 a.m. CST

    I have no clue who this guy is

    by Phategod1

    I just ran a list and I have never seen any of his movies.

  • Feb. 17, 2007, 8:58 a.m. CST

    *Sigh* Strangeco . . .

    by Mechasheeva

    (Spoilers for Prestige, but whatever) I hate getting into this stuff, but you've got a fundamental flaw in your argument, too - you assume that all fiction takes place in the same fictionalized world. In "24", Jack isn't a wizard because Jack lives in a reality-based world. In "The Prestige", hints of the magic to come are shown from the very first shot (the hats and the cat), and Borden's seemingly unexplainable trick is explained (seemingly) by Tesla's machine. In the fictionalized world of the film, magic CAN exist, though most recognize it as science, and it is set up very well throughout the lead-up, with the first shot and the increasing unlikelihood that Borden uses a double (on a side note, Tesla WAS a real historical figure, had a real-life rivalry with Thomas Edison [Edison is the reason we use DC instead of AC to this day], and did experiments that more superstitious people believed to be magic - he's a historical figure with a sort of legendary mystique about him, which is why I'm sure, he's in the story). Anyways, what I'm getting at is that you can't treat all fiction as if it were the same. The Prestige is magical realism at it's finest - a realistic world not too far removed from our own, but with a slight magical twist to it, which is, in my mind, a perfect match for a film about, *gasp*, MAGIC. But whatever, to each his own, eh?

  • Feb. 17, 2007, 10:24 a.m. CST

    Take "The Prestige" conversation into 'THE ZONE'

    by CarmillaVonDoom

    Isn't that why they made "THE ZONE" in the first place? I don't mind hearing spoilers for Batman but I haven't seen prestige yet so stfu eh?

  • Feb. 17, 2007, 11:40 a.m. CST

    Batman Forever SUCKS

    by INWOsuxRED

    It seriously sucks. Worse than Returns it sucks. Just because Joel was able to make an even worse movie after that doesn't mean that Forever has anything at all going for it.

  • Feb. 17, 2007, 12:59 p.m. CST

    Strangeco = idiot

    by Executor

    Yes, he can clone his dead wife 100 times in THE PRESTIGE with the machine...but then he will just have 100 DEAD WIVES!!!! It doesn't reanimate corpses, it just makes clones. eeeeeediot!!!!!

  • Feb. 17, 2007, 3:15 p.m. CST

    Re: my colon sucks

    by El Scorcho

    You haven't seen "The Dark Knight" yet?!?!?! No fucking way, dude!!! LOL. Might be because it hasn't even started filming yet.

  • Feb. 17, 2007, 7:38 p.m. CST

    Yeah, about The Prestige...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...the Illusionist is a better movie.

  • Feb. 17, 2007, 7:55 p.m. CST

    am I the only one who liked Keaton as Batman more?

    by Prossor

    Everytime he was in the suit it didn't feel like just a guy running around in a suit but like a force of nature or shadows, Keaton just had this presence as the Bat which was absent from Begins. I liked Bale's Bruce Wayne though. I remember Burton once said Keaton's eyes exuded this psycho feeling.. ii'll try to find that quote.

  • Feb. 17, 2007, 9:43 p.m. CST

    SPOILERS! The Prestige. Replies to StrangeCo and Friend

    by McBane

    SPOILERS Apologies again for the slightly off-topic thread jacking. I love thinking about the prestige and re-experiencing it. Everytime I do, my love and respect for the film grows.<p> Again there are HEAVY spoilers for the rest of this post so if you haven't seen the prestige, PLEASE read something else! If people are going to mention the prestige and spoil parts of the plot, I think we should try not to ruin the film for those who haven't seen it,<p> SPOILERS!<p> First a couple of apologies. CORPONIOUS, I was going to reply to you with a smart arse post about how this isnt usenet but do you know what dude, you were right. That was a completely off-topic, mediocre post. Next time I need to test something, I will make sure it has valuable content.<p> StrangeCo and IndustryKiller, I apologise for calling you trolls. Uncalled for as your arguments are very sound and I actually agree with ALL of them. Even the fact that the machine is a contrived plot device.<p> But I CAN'T just let it go. Even though I won't change your minds I want to try and explain to you why the more people throw up little 'problems' with the film, the MORE I enjoy it. The more I think about the film, the more amazing it becomes.<p> You both say you feel cheated by the ending. Okay I can understand that. But that in itself, is PART of what the film is supposed to do. It is one big long magic trick in its own right. Holding the obvious answers to everything and waving them in front of your face.<p> Like all magic tricks, this film can leads to a number of emotional responses from the audience. Awe, Excitement, Disbelief, Fear and Anger<p> You say the machine breaks the internal logic of the world because we don't see how the trick works. I say that is fine because WE NEVER SEE EXACTLY HOW ANY OF THE TRICKS WORK! <p> What do I mean by this? Well after seeing this film, I still would not be able to perform even the simplest tricks in the movie. Why? Because I have neither the skill, training orpractice to execute them so smoothly and flawlessly. It is still magic to me.!<p> I think you are also too invested in the magic and what you wanted the film to be. At its core it is using magic to explore the themes of revenge and obsession. It seems mad to me to hate an entire film you were loving up to the last five minutes. <p> It's like living your life hoping to die suddenly. Your life is wonderful and satisfying but on your deathbed, you discount it all because your 50 when you die rather than 35. It's all about the journey not the destination<p> The machine isn't really a trick in its own right. It is part of two much larger tricks. The trick the Nolans are playing on the audience watching the film and the trick jackman's chracter plays on Bale and the rest of that world. Not explaining the machine is the same as not explaining the full mechanics of the 'Disappearing bird' jacket/machine. Just because it looks impossible doesn't mean it IS impossible. I'll agree the dupe machine is contrived. (like all tricks are to dupe an audience) It is made of ALL THE MAJOR TRICKS in the film. And is more important as a complex thematic device than a literal magic trick in its own right.<p> 1. It has the element of real danger that the water escape and bullet catch had in the film.<p> The fact that he uses a water trap as part of his scheme, shows you how twisted the jackman character has become. He is willing to kill himself multiple times by drowning, in order to get revenge on a man who he blames for the death of his wife, who also died of drowning. Even after he was told how awful it is to die via drowning, he killed himself again and again until the trap was sprung. <p> 2. It has the 'Taking of life' aspect of the bird trick. Again interesting because at the beginning of hugh's character arc, he thinks it's cruel. By the end of the film, his own trick goes well beyond that.<p> Something just came to me StrangeCo about what you said previously. You said that the machine was a stupid idea because with it jackman could have cloned a new wife. I said that would lead to rotting wife. We are both wrong. Jackman is so obsessed with his revenge, he can't even consider it.<p> The revenge has gone from avenging his wife to fucking Bale over no matter the cost. I mean think about it. He has this machine and it probably has about a billion amazing positive uses. But he finds the one most unethical, masochistic, vile and plain psychotic use he can not just to mess with Bale, but to take from him his career, his freedom, his daughter and ultimately his life.<p> This makes Jackman at that time both the best magician and the worst. The best because it is a fiendishly brilliant magic trick he comes up with and the worst because his obsession leads to his downfall. He was not able to see what was in plain sight<p> This is to be as expected though. If you watch the film closely, Jackman was never really ever all that interested in magic til the tragedy. It was his obsession with bale that drove his magic. In fact it may have even been the case that his wife was more skillful than he. I think it was Bale who points the chinese man out to jackman and bale is always shown as the more competent magician.<p> Tesla is definitely key to this film. StrangeCo I urge you to do some research into Tesla and Edison. Do you really think that such a carefully constructed narrative would have two historical figures dropped into it carelessly? I believe his motivations and reputation were near perfectly represented in the story. <p> Lets be clear on one thing. Even now, scientists can't actually work out what some of his working inventions did. I am not sure if that would have been the case if the US Government hadn't confiscated most of his work. Who knows if he did/could have made a duplication/transporting machine. It maybe unlikely but to me it IS plausible. If anyone in that time peroiod would have, it would likely have been him. <p> You say it was coincidence that bale found the only person capable of making such a machine and led jackman atraight to him. I don't think that was the case. For Bale's plan to work, he had to find someone believeable. A modern day magician. Tesla fit the bill. Bale must have known that Tesla was highly secretive and would never build any such machine for Jackman. Not that it would matter. Because it's impossible right?<p> Bale didn't kinow about Tesla's money troubles (Mirroring Tesla's real life money troubles) and sorely underestimated his skill. In Bale's arrogant self absorbtion, he forget the debt many of his magic tricks owed to science and engineering. <p> This post is already too freaking long so I am gonna stop there. I have to be at work in 3 and a half hours and I have had no sleep. I see many of your coincidences as valid character motivations. The sheer depth, progression of plot and character as well as the beautiful structure of the film, immunises it from problems people claim it exposes.<p> But in the end if you can't buy into it, you can't buy into it. I am just so glad I can appreciate it.

  • Feb. 18, 2007, 1:25 a.m. CST

    For Real...

    by Call_The_Cops

    some of you people need to grow the fuck up, take a step back from your cubicle jobs, look at what you're posting, and realize ur not movie critics, let alone do you know the first thing about movies/what people will want to see. i can't wait 'til the first 23 review comes out, half the people on here beak jim carrey, then the film is a hit. i honestly hope it is just to shut some of you the fuck up

  • Feb. 18, 2007, 1:29 a.m. CST


    by wackybantha


  • Feb. 18, 2007, 8:01 a.m. CST

    wow, it's amazing...

    by omarthesnake

    to see the basement-dwelling, never touched a woman and never will, greasy little trolls who declare Maggie G. ugly. Sorry she's not a generic factory-model pretty barbie doll like Jessica Simpson, boys; she's a real woman, and a darned fetching one at that. How much better would Superman Returns have been if she'd played Lois instead of the 16-year old they went with? Go back to masturbating to 30-year old photos of Wonder Woman.

  • Feb. 18, 2007, 9:04 a.m. CST

    Batman fan film

    by FUBILL

    A lot of you will have seen this before, but it made me laugh:

  • Feb. 18, 2007, 2:28 p.m. CST

    a lot between now and then?

    by sledgehammer5050

    like WHAT? i mean, ok...spiderman 3. Grindhouse. Hot fuzz. but, seriously, has there ever been a comic book adaption more dead on that batman begins? No WAY! heck, i like superman as a character more, but batman begins has blown EVERY comic book adaption out the window! I CAN NOT WAIT for the Dark Knight.