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Capone gets Ioan Gruffudd to spill about GALACTUS and the SILVER SURFER as well as upcoming Michael Apted movie AMAZING GRACE!
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Hey everyone. Capone in Chicago here with yet another interview with a FANTASTIC FOUR cast member. A month or so ago, I had a wonderful and somewhat revealing chat with Doug Jones, who we'll see this summer as the Silver Surfer in the sequel to the mostly disappointing FANTASTIC FOUR film. His enthusiasm, combined with a pretty kick-ass teaser trailer for FANTASTIC FOUR: RISE OF THE SILVER SURFER, has actually gotten my hopes up for this follow-up effort.
In Chicago last week to talk about his latest film, the quite moving and well-acted AMAZING GRACE (opening in a limited basis on March 23) from director Michael Apted, Mr. Fantastic himself, Ioan Gruffudd (a Welsh name pronounced Yo-ahn Griffith), sat down with me for a conversation that covers most of his career, including his extended time playing Horatio Hornblower in those series of made-for-television films; his role in TITANIC; and the upcoming Jake Kasdan-directed satire THE TV SET. Oh, and he spilled a few secrets that I have yet to read anywhere else regarding the next FANTASTIC FOUR movie, including whether Galactus actually appears in it. Read on, and consider some of what he says on this subject to be SPOILERS. Ioan had just finished up a television interview, so we were shuffled off into a tiny closet of a room, where we sat down at a table that left us with about six inches between our noses, very intimate. In these close quarters, the first thing that strikes you is that he's so good looking it makes you angry. And you immediately think, "Wow, he's so attractive that I'm actually noticing how attractive he is. What's up with that?" Every woman I know was insanely jealous of me. Anyway, I'm getting ahead of myself. Enjoy the interview.
Capone: Wow, this is a small room. This is new.
Ioan Gruffudd: It's actually nice to have an intimate conversation, isn't it?
C: Sure. I hate to confess, but like many Americans, I was totally unfamiliar with the story being told in AMAZING GRACE, about the history of the abolitionist movement in England. Is William Wilberforce's [the member of parliament who led the movement to abolish slavery] crusade well known in the UK, or will this story be an eye opener on both sides of the Atlantic?
IG: To be honest with you, I think it will be an eye opened on both sides. I might be in the majority of people who didn't recognize this great feat that he accomplished in Parliament. I might be speaking out of turn; I might be the only one who didn't know. Certainly, I think it's going to educate people in both countries.
C: This struggle literally took a toll on his health as he got older. So you weren't at all familiar with him before you played him in this film?
IG: Not at all. Once I read the script, I was blown away by the story and what they had achieved. I was impressed by how young they were when they started out this crusade. And I educated myself to the facts of this, because I was totally ignorant.
C: You're right they were quite young. It also struck me how fringe they were when they first began. They were disregarded by most members of Parliament, almost the equivalent of the "dirty hippie" label we saw in the U.S. antiwar movement in the '60s and '70s.
IG: Absolutely. Anybody who's in the minority. The people who brought the abolition movement to light in the UK were the Quakers and clergymen and poets. They didn't have a strong voice or representation in Parliament and so they brought the cause to Wilberforce to represent it in Parliament so that it would have a voice.
C: The song "Amazing Grace" plays an important part in this story, although it probably could have been told without it. Why do you think it's so important to this story?
IG: It ties in with the fact the John Newton [played by Albert Finney in the film, a former slave ship captain who wrote the song] himself was a captain of a slave slip. When people hear that hymn, it has such great words and a great melody, it's interesting to see how the song came to be.
C: I'd never considered that the words actually mean something, they actually make reference to this situation.
IG: Exactly. And the melody is what struck me. The melody was probably one that the slaves used to sing to keep themselves going, as it were, on that horrific journey.
C: And by telling that story, you have a good reason to get Albert Finney on screen again. The other interesting casting choice, and it really is a nice touch, is the casting of Youssou N'Dour as a freed slave and key member of the movement. I think it's his feature debut as an actor. I don't think a lot of people are going to realize the significance of his being in the film. He's very popular as a musician, but how was it working with him?
IG: It was wonderful. He doesn't have that good a grasp of English, so it was tough at times to understand him. But he worked so hard on the phonetics of it and getting it right. And to have that confidence to play it so still and trust that it was all there. He doesn't really "act" to be an African, does he? I love the fact that we have an African actor playing that part, rather than an actor putting on an accent.
C: The other actor I was surprised by was Rufus Sewell, whom you have quite a few scene with. I was doing an interview with the director of THE ILLUSIONIST last year, and I mentioned to him that lately when you cast Rufus Sewell in a role, it's often shorthand for saying his character is a villain. So to see him play someone so good-natured was a nice turn. I'd been wanting to see him return to those kinds of roles again.
IG: He's had an amazing career, Rufus. I used to look up to him as a student when I was studying acting. He was the young hot leading man then, which he still is, I think. He should take faith that he can still do that. But he's such a good actor that he can turn his hand to anything. But in this part, he brought so much to it. On the page, there wasn't really that much there. It was an incredible journey that this man had taken, Thomas Clarkson [who brought the abolitionists' cause to Wilberforce], and to get under his skin and put that wig on was very brave, and it turned out beautifully.
C: In looking over your choice of roles in the last few years--Lancelot, Horatio Hornblower, Mr. Fantastic, and now Wilberforce--is it your intention to only play these iconic, larger-than-life characters?
IG: [Laughs] Yes! If you need an actor to fill a hero's shoes, look no further. I don't know, I'm sort of aware that I've done a lot of period dramas with Hornblower, playing Pip in GREAT EXPECTATIONS, and my role in "The Forsyte Saga." There's something about these characters that is so attractive. They are larger than life and there are such brilliant stories that surround these people. I think it's quite flattering to me that people think I can represent these sort of characters. I'm very fortunate to have that opportunity.
C: Some people that may not even remember that you had a fairly sizable supporting role in TITANIC. How far down on the credits list were you?
IG: I remember on the call sheet, I was something like #257. That was an amazing experience. That was my first foray into Hollywood. I remember flying to the U.S. for the first time, and then flying down to Mexico. Just to be on that movie, opened my eyes to it all.
C: How long were you down there shooting?
IG: Five months, for that little part, because I was in the background of nearly every shot. Who's on the payroll? Bring them in to fill up the boat.
C: If I remember correctly, your character doesn't die, does he?
IG: He does survive. He's a real person, who accomplished what he did. He saved four people in the end. So all the action I did in the movie is all historically accurate.
C: I seem to recall a scene on a lifeboat...
IG: That's right. He had gathered the people to get on the lifeboats together because they were leaving the ship half full. And he moved people off them to other half-full boats, and sent the empty boats out to look for survivors. Obviously it was too late because everyone had froze to death.
C: Okay, I'm going to carefully broach the subject of the next FANTASTIC FOUR movie. I spoke to Doug Jones recently and he was very generous with some of the details, or at least what he was allowed to talk about. Obviously, we're tracking the film very closely. There's definitely a growing enthusiasm about the film, due in no small part to the Silver Surfer storyline. The trailer is out there now. What do you think of it?
IG: I think it's fantastic. I'm very excited about it because it takes our movie and our franchise to a whole new level. It's up there now where they're comparing the effects to those of the SPIDER-MAN movies, which is a film that is $100 million more expensive than our movie, and rightfully so, it's an awesome franchise. I think the fans will not be disappointed. It is as he arrived in the comic books. He's an ambiguous character. Is he the protagonist or evil, or just the messenger of evil? We're not quite sure.
C: In the comic books, they referred to him as the harbinger.
IG. The harbinger, that's a great word.
C: Okay, since you brought this up...well, is the tone of the film more serious because the implications of the Surfer arriving are that the world could be destroyed?
IG: Absolutely. The benefit of this film is that we don't have to set up who we are. The first movie struggled in that sense. The fans were a bit upset and thought it was a bit lame the way we set it all up, but for a wider audience we had to explain how we became superheroes.
C: Origin movies always seem to struggle with that problem.
IG: Exactly. In this movie, we start out totally embracing our super powers within the context of a normal life, as normal as you can be, because they are under the scrutiny of the paparazzi and the public. And Reed Richards, this great mind, is now more interested in his fame than his work. So we start off on this light note, and then when the Silver Surfer arrives: Bang, we're off; we're up and running. And it becomes very dark by the end.
C: I'm just going to ask: does Galactus play a role in this film?
IG: Um...his presence is felt in the movie. He doesn't physically appear, no. Galactus does have a form, doesn't he, in the comic books?
C: Actually he has a really beautifully designed costume that Jack Kirby created. It's a fairly elaborate costume actually with all sorts of machinations. When I first heard that the Silver Surfer would be in this second film and people were being a bit evasive about whether Galactus appeared, I'd assumed that the second film would set up the coming of Galactus, and that the actual confrontation with him would occur in the third film.
IG: It's more of a finite movie than the first one. It's not open-ended in that sense. But Galactus doesn't actually appear, so it does leave room for that possibility.
C: Have the relationships between the characters changed? Obviously there's a wedding.
IG: There is a wedding. That's interesting because when the Silver Surfer arrives, he sort of drives a wedge between Sue Storm and myself. She finds him mysterious and appealing, much to Reed Richards chagrin. And then there's the element of, do they want to be superheroes or not, struggling with that fact and having enough of being under the microscope, in the public eye.
C: The Fantastic Four were always unique in the Marvel world because they didn't have secret identities and they were always in the public eye. Can you really say you don't want to do it anymore, but is that possible when everybody knows who you are?
IG: That's what we're grappling with throughout the movie. There's a point in the movie where we say, let's pack it in and go live in the countryside and raise a family like normal people. And then of course they realize they've been given a gift to help people and do things for the greater good, so they get over that sort of self-indulgence pretty quickly.
C: How long did it take you to realize with this second film that you were entering the holy waters of comic book fandom with this Silver Surfer storyline. There is a cult around his character that is more substantial than a lot of the major heroes. If you thought you were under the geek microscope with the first film...
IG: Yeah, yeah. It was first foray into this world. I wasn't a comic book reader, I wasn't aware of this whole...not underworld...but this specific world that existed. And I was blown away when we went to ComicCon when we were first introduced as a cast and we didn't have anything to show the audience. They were introducing the trailer for one of the SPIDER-MAN movies, I think, and we were just being introduced by Avi Arad to this audience. There were 7,000 people in the arena, all of them wanting Jessica Alba's phone number. And they were all sort of baffled at how this British actor going to play this American icon of Mr. Fantastic. And I'm glad that subsequently many people have been very complimentary about my performance and my representing of him.
But with the new film, this is the first time ever where we've had so much scrutiny and paparazzi trying to get an image of the Silver Surfer during the filming. That's when I realized, Wow, this character is something special.
C: What are your thoughts on Doug Jones' interpretation of the Surfer? Do you remember anything specifically about his performance that struck you?
IG: The character is very, very attractive. There is that quality to him that you're never sure who he is. He can turn on a six pence; he can become incredibly angry and violent and quite vicious. And he can be quite calm and gentle. A lot of that was in Doug's voice; he's got a lovely voice. I hope they use Doug's voice in the end.
C: Even he wasn't sure when I spoke to him, whether they'd use his voice.
IG: Oh, god. I hope they do. The studio was trying to play down the whole thing. You know, the Silver Surfer isn't really him. If people got an image of Doug as the Surfer, that wasn't going to be what he looked like in the end. But Doug has created this character that we are responding to, and he does such a moving job and he's such a good actor in that costume, and I hope they use his nuances and what he presented to us. I know they're going to put the sheen on top of him. But his voice is wonderful, I don't know what they could get that would be better.
C: It seems that in many of the films he's best known for, they never use his voice. Sometimes for obvious reasons, like that his character is speaking Spanish.
IG: [laughs] Well that's fair enough.
C: I know that Dr. Doom is a part of this film as well. Is he secondary now that the Surfer is the primary focus? I haven't quite figured out what his role is in this film.
IG: It was strange when he came back, because it's not clear cut us against the Silver Surfer. Dr. Doom being Dr. Doom, he attempts to manipulate the situation to his own means and ends. It's all about the surfboard itself being the source of all the Silver Surfer's power. I probably shouldn't be giving that away.
C: I had suspected as much, where Doom would either try to get the Surfer to fight with him or at least find a way to harness his powers.
IG: That's exactly it.
C: Going back to AMAZING GRACE for a minute. Michael Apted has always been a favorite director, primarily because of his UP documentary series, but also he's done some classic films. How familiar with his work were you before you worked with him?
IG: Well, being British, he's one of our heroes and icons, the fact that he was attached to this movie, I was dying to do it. I knew he would know how to tell this story without knocking people over the head with the religious aspects of it. I knew he would handle it cleverly. COAL MINER'S DAUGHTER was obviously one of my favorites, and yes, the series is a part of history. That's the thing about Michael, he must have started that series when he was something like 18 or 19.
C: Actually, I don't think he was involved with SEVEN UP!, which was only a 40-minute short introducing the children. But he definitely directed the second film, which come out I believe in 1970, which would make him around 30 at the time.
IG: So he was still very young when I did those. And he hasn't lost that sort of enthusiasm and excitement for work. He was preparing another documentary and shooting that during our Christmas hiatus. He's so prolific. And when you work with somebody like that, or Ridley Scott [Ioan was also BLACK HAWK DOWN] or James Cameron, they stand out to me as well. They are so prepared that they have a Plan B, Plan C, and a Plan D during the day. The preparation for any given day gives them the freedom to go off and do something different, listen to the actors and create something new. More often than not, it went just as Michael wanted it. He was very clear with his vision and how he wanted to block it and how he was going to tell the story. It was such a pleasure, and we usually finished the day at 5:30 or 6 o'clock every night. We wrapped on time, under budget. It was amazing.
C: The scenes that I really enjoyed were the ones showing the debates in Parliament. You get all those fantastic actors, many of whom I've literally been watching my whole life, just really getting to watch them be sly and clever, and biting and stinging each other with words during these debates. It's so much more interesting than what goes on in government in this country in terms of debate.
IG: That skill for oration is lost now, isn't it? It's a real art form. It is still like that sometimes. When it gets heated, there's shouting and they have to shout order. They are incredibly eloquent. We had the experience of having Benedict Cumberbatch, who plays William Pitt the Younger, to dinner with us and William Hauge, who is the leader of the opposition at one point. We went to the House of Parliament to have dinner with him. We went to the House of Lords to have a glass of port because William Pitt the Younger was famously on five bottle of port a day, and was still able to orate for four or five hours. So this skill that they had--and Wilberforce and Pitt were considered among the best ever--was something of a game that they had in Parliament. This skill for wit and parrying and reposting was very cutting.
C: Tell me about THE TV SET, your next film.
IG: It's more of a satire, it's not a straightforward comedy. David Duchovny's character brings a television pilot that's he's written based on his experiences with his brother killing himself. So it's a drama that he brings to the network, and the network likes it but they want to try and manipulate it to their own means. For example, there's a scene where they are physically shooting a scene of the funeral, and the network executives come down and say, "This is a bit of a downer. Can't the funeral be the mother's funeral?" And it's quite clear it's the brother's funeral. "Oh, we can just loop 'brother' for 'mother'." And the film is filled with that concept.
C: What is your character?
IG: I play a British executive who comes to Hollywood for the first time, probably brought over from the BBC, where he'd had a great success with something like "Extras" or something like that. And he's brought in to class things up a bit, and we see his demise into that system as he falls into that trap of making fodder for television that is about marketing and financing and commercials.
C: Does he have an artistic integrity struggle like everyone else?
IG: Yes, that's much more eloquent way of putting it. He does come with integrity and falls into the quagmire.
C: Jake Kasdan directed the film, and ZERO EFFECT is one of the great feature debuts in recent years.
IG: Brilliant. I think the movie is based on his experience of trying to get ZERO EFFECT made into a television series. He did a pilot, and I don't think it was ever picked up, but he said just the process of making the pilot was exhausting. I like that all of these parts are so diverse, between AMAZING GRACE, FANTASTIC FOUR, and THE TV SET. It's an exciting time for me.
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like I said
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... don't care. I didn't even read the article.
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Oh man, I can see it now: "What? Galactus's presence "is felt"? WTF? Like "hell" in Doom being "true, in a sense"? Galactus nebula = chaps on Venom! Teh suk!"
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...just dropped considerably. Silver Surfer, but no Galactus??? This would be like introducing the Black Suit in the Spidey movies, but no Venom. See how Sony teased and teased us about that, Fox? But there's actually a PAYOFF ahead, unlike what we're discovering for FF now. Sonzabitches!
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Just went up!I'm a little disappointed there's no Galactus - not because I care about the character (I don't), but because he'd be a giant, purple-helmeted cherry of stupid-ness on top of an already pretty fucking ridiculous cake. At least we have the nude surfer who is also silver.Come on, Fantastic Four Too!
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...have a FF movie FEATURING the Silver Surfer storyline without SEEING Galactus. You just can't. I WANT to see Galactus, purple helmet and all. I MUST see him in his purple helmet. And I would assume that Galactus' nards are the size of Jupiter. No, not that big. Saturn, possibly.
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Quivering mound of love pudding
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Good job as usual, Capone. All three of Ioan's upcoming movies seem palatable to me. I am kind of ambivalent at this point about the whole 'no Galactus' thing, but I don't know enough about the plot to be too disappointed.
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...and he'll be played by CLANCY BROWN!
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why not ask him about that? and the future of Mr HORNBLOWER!!!
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is Ghost Rider :) who knows where I pulled that crap from?
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I wasn't counting on seeing Galactus in this thing and duking it out with the FF, though that certainly WOULD have made for a far, far better film -- certainly moreso than this utterly bullshit idea that they apparently have gone with (ie. Sue developing feelings for the Surfer and that becoming the central melodrama of the film). I mean seriously, do I really need 2 hours of the Surfer whining or emoting with Jessica Alba making Reed jealous? Seriously, THAT was your brilliant idea for a making a follow-up to an already questionable launch film for what SHOULD have been a major film franchise? I mean, WTF????Had it been up to me, I'd have cut out Doom's return ENTIRELY...he sucked in FF1 so why bring him back at all, just boot him and get the bad taste out of everyone's mouth already...and just focused instead on making a kick-ass, balls-out action movie -- a true "Earth threatened globally" movie where only SUPERHEROES can save the day -- where the FF have to repel the Surfer and Galactus. For crying out loud, how hard was that to figure out in an early story production meeting?That said, at the very least, here's a tip for the Fox Honchos or their support staff who'll probably be made to skim this talkback to report back to their bosses given that Reed Richards himself has now sort of spilled some major story beans that he probably WASN'T supposed to reveal just yet. So, Fox, here's a tip to avoid TOTAL HATE from the fans on your already dubious sequel. AT THE VERY LEAST when the movie ends...you know, after the credits roll...there should be a tag on ending that sends us into space at which point we close in on a giant ship, go inside, and then see Galactus actually standing there, looking over some controls and setting a course for Earth. The movie then ends as he turns and looks into the camera, giving everyone a bad ass "Yes, I'm coming to kill you" look as we actually get to see that great Jack Kirby designed head looking mean and destructive.Seriously, if the movie doesn't at least toss us at least THAT tiny bit, the writing's on the wall regarding what a shitty franchise this has completely turned into, with no hope of redemption. At which point we'll have to wait 20-odd years before someone will finally get behind launching an all-new FF film, a total reboot, at which point they'll hopefully get it RIGHT that time!
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worlds
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So basically they're stealing a bit of the whole 'Sue's got a thing for the Sub-Mariner' and superimposing it on SS? Weird. As far as Galactus...I'm not at all surprised, and I don't think we'll see them tackle him in a third film either. Frankly, I'm not sure I'd want to see the people involved with this project even attempt it anyway.
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I'd be excited about marrying Jessica Alba too.
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...but I guaran-goddamn-tee that Galactus won't be a humanoid at all, but an amorphous alien force like Fred Hoyle's Black Cloud or V'Ger. No way in hell it's going to to a purple Aztec Clancy Brown.
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Ramirez!
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you may not necessarily want this group to bring Galactus to life. It could get ugly. I would presume though that they would bring him in for #3. It did serve as a buzz kill because you can't have the surfer without Galactus...Jessica is a dark angel so of course she gives hummers everyday, two for one special on Tuesdays and seniors get three on Wednesdays.
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Stop with the incessant, painstaking research of FF minutiae, Yo-an Griffith!
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That would require adapting an actual comic book story. I did hear that they signed Steven Seagal to play Galactus. No CGI needed since he's now large enough to play him. He's really looking forward to wearing the purple hat. He'll also be writing/singing the theme song for FF3.
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Oh for fuck's sake! The guy playing Reed Richards has never even seen a picture of Galactus. I really want to like this movie, but WTF?
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Be careful what you say about hummers and cheadle. I apparently went overboard, and the mods saw fit to execute my previous identity. No "you're banned," no nothing--the boxes just wouldn't let me post anymore. So be advised, Big Brother is watching! Love, Abomination.
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Doom sucked in the first one 'cos he wasn't Doom. This time we get the guy already disfigured, already in the mask, coming over from Latveria to fuck with the FF. Now *that's* Doom. Leave Galactus for the third one and do it right...
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What??? are you kiddin?
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...of the replign, I did not frequent the old, resurrected TBs. I think the mods got uncomfortable with my over-use of "Cheadle" to refer to biological fluid instead of the talented actor of the same name.
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is like saying the Flash's power comes from his wing-crested yellow booties. Feh.
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Why the hell wouldn't you put Galactus in the movie? Like, really... what were they thinking? Anyways, I suppose his "presence" will work in the film, but yeah, Ioan definitely shouldn't have spilled that we won't see him. Now a lot of the tension is neutralized. Doom wants to surf is a pretty bad plot, too. And also wouldn't Reed the scientist be far more fascinated in the cosmic visitor than Sue? That whole shaking the marriage thing is pretty dumb. What a bad love triangle. And hoorah for FF vs. The Papparazzi. That's really a nemesis that ONLY hollywood cares about. Blah. All that said, I really don't care that much about this film, and I'm going to see it and i'm probably going to enjoy it, at the very least much more than the first one. And also Ioan is a really good actor, I like seeing him in stuff a lot. Bt the TV set is pretty bad. Like... I don't think it should get distribution. It should be shown on comedy central and go to dvd. Like.. it's funny, but not movie quality. It's like an HBO special or something.
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I want a second opinion... on how bodacious this tube I'm catching is.
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You know you want it....voiced by Sean Connery.
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...or are the same people who are freaking out about us getting the Surfer and no Galactus in FF2 (with the possibility of Galactus in FF3) the ones who bitched about trying to cram all of the Phoenix Saga into one movie? I think it goes without saying that we're getting a third FF movie. Regardless of how much some folks hate the franchise, it's very successful. So you're pissed that they want to spread a story out instead of Daredeviling it? Sometimes I think you guys just like to hear yourselves bitch.
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was the guy who got his nose bashed in by Bruce Willis in the Last Boyscout. He does look alot like Sewell.
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These are the same idiots. Buncha hypocrites.
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1) Ioan Gruffudd is the man. I like him as an actor and I can't wait to check out Amazing Grace. 2) Great job Capone, as usual. 3) I'll be honest though... the growing optimism I had for FF2 just deflated instantly after hearing there will be no Galactus. Up until that point I was reading intently but after that I'll be honest I lost all focus on the article and just sat at my desk, pissed. The brain trust behind these Fantastic Four movies should be shot. I have never seen (well, maybe I have) such great source material completely spoiled and wasted. The first movie was an abomination. Complete crap. The only part I liked was Reed, The Thing, and Johnny. Everyone else was miscast. The direction sucked. The FX sucked. The story and script sucked. And the implications (much like X3) for future movies was shot b/c of the crap laid down in this first movie. Now with the trailer we saw for the sequel I started getting souped because it's gangsta, straight up and down. It rocks. And knowing it tells arguably the greatest comic storyline ever just makes you giddy. But now to hear they're dropping the ball with no Galactus?!! Come on! It's like how X3 dropped the ball with that cheesy "sentinel." Come on! Just when I was getting souped about this movie all my enthusiasm just shot right out the door! What a joke. Those yahoos at Fox are some real idiots. Come on Stan Lee. Put your foot down and stop allowing these companies to ruin Marvel movies!
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As long as Tim Story has a tight, tension-building movie this time around with some epic action and no silly moments a'la "let's not fight--no...let's." then this could be something great. The teaser was awesome, of course. The movie now has to live up to that.
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I am actually getting semi-excited for this movie and that really scares me. I knew the first one would suck. I gotta excited anyway. Then it sucked. I'm trying hard not to have a single positive thought about this flick going in, but I DID like the teaser. I just need to shut myself off from all promotion, watch the 1st one ten times, and maybe, JUST maybe I'll be in the right headspace to see this thing.
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You know you want it.
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Did you let him get to second base?
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So just how big is Galactus? Can he eat the world in one bite, like a grape? Or does he have to cut it up, like a cantaloupe? And if he's been doing this for a while, are there big post-digested planetary turds floating around the galaxy? Coz that's nasty.
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...see, THIS is a huge error. They could've set this up as a TERRIFIC cliffhanger - have Galactus show up at the very end of the film, intent on destroying the earth. The fact that he's not in the film at all is disappointing - it looks like I'm one of the few fans of the first film, but so help me if this is one of those "Surfer gets manipulated by Doom to attack the FF" I'll vomit. END THE MOVIE WITH THE ARRIVAL OF GALACTUS, DAMMIT. Simple.
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We don't see him, we just see his shadow and hear his voice 'MY JOURNEY HAS ENDED! THIS PLANET SHALL SUSTAIN ME UNTIL IT HAS BEEN DRAINED OF ALL ELEMENTAL LIFE! SO SPEAKS GALACTUS!' ... queue credits.
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...the people look up, and all they see is purple taint.
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I think they are making the right decision...I just wish they could break him out in a movie that combines ALL or at least MOST of the main heroes..Spidey, Avengers, FF, even DD and GR. They should all be up against big 'G' at the same time imo.
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Just like the first one, it will be harmless, marginally entertaining, kiddie movie...nothing wrong with that as it will make big profits for the studio, but it's a mistake to care too much about it.
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He said it was a FINITE story...that means no Galactus cliffhanger. FF3 will probably go in a totally different direction.
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Special helmets for crapping out digested worlds?
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None of you would have been happy if they went with either the 616 humanoid form or the collective entity. So this is one less thing for your haters to wet yourselves over. Doom's costume was picture perfect in the first film, yet for some reason most of you have no problem with the new green speedo in place of the tunic, compleat with golden snakes. WTF?!Given the plot dynamic, have any of you considered that not actually seeing Galactus may have much more of a dramatic impact? For example, the scariest parts of Jaws was when we didn't see the fish. Besides, Kirby's genius aside, a giant in a purple samurai outfit wouldn't be widely accessible. It just wouldn't work on film without appearing kitschy. Ever wonder why Galactus wears a mask? Who's he hiding his identity from and why?The complete absense of a Galactus origin is the *exact opposite take* employed for Dr. Doom in the first flick -- yet still the lot of you quibble. Which way do you want it?Some of you continue to complain about the Surfer, like the addition of pupils. Not only are they useful tools for emoting, but have any of you stopped to consider that they are square shaped just like Galactus's in the comics? If you're going to make changes, that's the way to do it.I hope this does better than the first movie. Would really like to see the U-Foes and Inhumans in a sequel, but they'll prolly go with Sub-Mariner.
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He'll only have diarrhea if he has to take a Galaxative.
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I liked Ioan in the Hornblower series. Seriously, I did!! okay, I also just wanted to type Felacio Hornblower.
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That's what I want - Namor and Captain America battling Nazi superbeings. Just to see Baron Blood and the Red Skull yuk it up as they spend less time on Death Camps and more time on Axis World-Destroying Laser Weapons.
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He doesn't have to be purple and blue, watch this clip,
www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwoOEzxhugA
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... in the theatres, won't it?
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The great lost pilot--is this on the youtubez?
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...but rather a "force," or perhaps his collective form. Even wiki appears to confirm this, and wiki is the god of internet knowledge. And I for one would not trade Jeanne Tripplehorn for anything or anyone. If I owned her, she would be mine. MINE, you hear!
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I think a gigantic guy in a purple suit of armor standing out in space would be too much for the general (non-familiar with the comic) populace to accept.
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Trojan could have used Galactus to push the Galactic Prophylactic "for when your herald needs protection".
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Hated the 1st one I am sure I will hate this one if not more. Each time I read more about this movie it just sounds worse and worse. Now that Underdog trailer looks awesome! I am not even kidding, I can't wait.
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before you know it you'll be talking about Jeanne Tripplehorn and how your C_ _ _ _ LE is all over her...besides, she'll be late over your house tonight since we are reenacting Waterworld and are stuck on a 'raft' together....what to do, what to do....
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Dr. Doom, now the Surfer. She's a real piece of work. That was something that I really hoped was not going to be carried into this film. Oh well.
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the first time. He sounds like a very likeable fellow.
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And the Surfer's powers come from his surfboard. Uh...McGuffin alert!
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Grace as well. That is a fantastic story that deserves to be told.
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not being in the Kirby outfit, but I would prefer he had some kind of physical form and is not nebulous. It would be much cooler from a cinematic perspective to have this giant being dominating the skyline of Manhattan.
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So help me, Tim Story, if the Silver Surfer is rendered powerless at some point because Dr. Doom steals his surfboard, there's going to be serious hell to pay.
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or not even existed in the first movie. I do agree that a U-foes appearance would be good, but I also think they would be good in a Hulk movie.Galactus could always be a guy in a rubber suit....
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All the "Crazy Christians" running around, forcing their ideas on us. I just want to go the movies and be entertained, man. Don't tell me how to live my life. Don't you people realize that more wars have been started in the name of God than any other reason? Don't you understand the sheer volumes of great art, the incredible scientific breakthroughs, the works of beauty and ideas and philosophies that have been lost to us as a culture and a civilization simply because of the heavy handed censorship of right wing Christianity? Don't confuse me with history and fact - the practice of slavery opposed by Christians!! HA! Not likely, you Fox News Spewing Puppets! Fool me once, shame on the dog. Wait, what?
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Dr. Doom = Darth SidiousLucas is gonna sue the pants offa' these monkeys.
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You are trying to be ironic correct? I mean you do erroneusly spout off alomost every ill-informed intolerant false view about Christianity floating about the web in one post. Yes, it is truly amazing the ignorance of those who don't even take the time to google their facts about the oldest and best documented faith.
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"Don't you people realize that more wars have been started in the name of God than any other reason?"Funny, I thought it had to do with stuff like land, empire, and controlling trade routes.
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Let's get back to BASHING THIS MOVIE!!!! YAAAAA!!!!
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that god said to control:)
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...Sue was one of the more fey wenches in the Marvel Universe. I think she was too young for Mr. Fantastic and would've hopped on the first piece of available super man meat that showed interest in the comics (hence her thing for the Sub Mariner and the outburst of repression that was her dominatrix persona for a little while). I think Venture Bros. really nailed her and Mr. Fantastic. THeir Thing and HUman Torch were funny, but not so much because they were true. Sue and Reed were dead on.
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is Paltrow still "on board" for Ironman?
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sigh...you can't say literally and then use an idiom...did his work LITERALLY make his health pay him some money?sorry, english teacher...great interview Capone!
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I need to see more of him in action. In the teaser, he just sort of stood there.
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he said in his next role, he will be playing Rufus Sewell's bad eye in Dark City 2.
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even count as far as I'm concerned. Kind of soccer momish-I'll give you that. Reed is emotionally unavailable, she likes him because he is smart. Namor paid attention to her and the hot buns and royal title didn't hurt.
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is playing on XM
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there is nearly nothing to recommend his Reed unless you like milquetoast nerds. It's not like Reed in the comic books where he is so smart it's kind of hot.
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things Doug Jones is sexay, even Doug Jones with silver coating? I don't think so...
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and im all for suspenion of disbelief, but a giant purple suited man the size of jupiter? all he would have to do is block out the sun for a minute and we're all dead. or shit, even standing close to the earth would through our gravity out of whack and destroy everyone. not that the point isnt that hes able to eat planets, but he wouldnt even be able to get close enough to earth for a fight before everyone is dead anyway. i think most people would have felt this way. galaticus as a 'nebulous' is a much better idea.
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But not a flaming human torch, a strechable dink, and a rock-guy?;)I agree Galactus should be kept in the shadows as an unknown entity or force. While this film is finite, the hints are dropped that Galactus could/might/maybe/possibly in some way manifest in another film.
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dying inside a hyperbolic chamber of hyperbole. I have to go to the hospital, I literally laughed my ass off earlier and need an iron butt. Thank you, SpongeBob. May the Wilberforce be with you.
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gorilla! I'm sure the skycraper scene would have been much more iconic if he was nebulous.
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lent him his powers. That looked cool, so what's the problem?
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massive amounts of energy to sustain itself? Isn't that, like, unscientific and stuff?
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Maybe that will be central to the plot of 3?
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in here with all the "big purple Galactus wouldn't work on film so lets not bother trying".
Watch the clip fools!
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...of what makes other guys hot (because, you know, I wouldn't want anyone thinking I was teh geigh), I can say there's a little something to the metallic coating onsomeone that pushes them up a bit on the attractiveness scale. By way of example, I cite Goldfinger. Specifically Shirley Eaton. DIdn't do much for me pre painting. But after...well...let's just say painting my wife all gold remains one of my top five unfulfilled fantasies. So I guess I wouldn't blame Jessica if a little sheen turned her head. Come to think of it, I'd kind of like to paint her up...
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"Charlie, is that you?"
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"giant purple suited man the size of jupiter"? what are you on, man?? Galactus changes size depending on how much energy he has, but he's not bigger than king kong. Besides, it worked in the opening sequence of Fellowship of the Ring. Fudge this. I'm gonna go watch the only good Fantastic Four movie ever made; The Incredibles. That movie rocked like the FF movie SHOULD have.
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but if he's bulbous, that's just wrong!
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well, perhaps i was wrong, and as much as a comic and even marvel fan i was, i do have to admit i was speaking out of ignorance when i mention FF. i never read that comic. i guess because in many pics i would see in the comic store it was often drawn with galatcus reaching out and grabbing the plantet earth in his hand, but i supppose that was dramatic effect though. and dr sin (we've had a few 'discussions' today, huh?) i think thats the nature of 'suspenion of disbelief.' you can accpe tone thing, but it gets harder the more things you have to accept. like if i saw a movie with robots taking over the earth and making us power them with our electricity, i could accept that, but if you added vampires and werewolves it would get silly and only someone like Harry would think that would be enjoyable. (see that, i brought back and oldie but goodie there!)
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... sorts of machinations."
the english language is dying. -
http://marvelite.prohosting.com/surfer/galactus/gallery/index.html
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here's the url, soup: http://tinyurl.com/2dl2p9
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with zero sarcasm, northlander. after seeing that, i was wrong. galactus should be a giant dude in a purple suit.
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And Ultimate Alliance Cap is kinda smokin'. I can't have that game I would never leave my apartment...But back on topic, okay so here is the deal with Galactus. Anyone intelligent with a sense for the cinematic would shoot Galactus as a giantic guy in that alien gear from a very far distance to get the perspective. That is part of the coolness of the character to begin with. Then for closeups, shoot him very close up, like his eyes or his mouth, to edit the costume to keep it from appearing too goofy. It's not that hard.
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kinda chump-like. I would give him Kirby-craggy-face like Darkseid to make him look more alien.
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That was actually funny.
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Allow an illustrator(for the past 20 years)who was long ago influenced to draw at a young age by the work of Jack Kirby and others to speak a bit. I am by no means a "comic geek" or "fanboy" (In other words I don't find Alba remotely talented and when I brought up her name with a casting director friend of mine at dinner, she of course laughed and claimed her "horrible"). The sad truth is found if one merely skims through "44 Years of Fantastic Four" on DVD Rom. Other than when John Byrne worked on the title, Marvel comics gave their flagship series to hacks to constantly reinvent, time after time. No one seemed able to follow in Lee and Kirby/ Buscema's footsteps (small wonder with the "talent" chosen). Take a look and you'll see some of the worst art and writing in the history of comics and illustration during the 80's through the 90's.
New people came and went through the revolving door, changing at will the comics storyline (remember Alicia marrying Johnny?). The comic became a "Love Boat" for last chance characters Marvel wanted to keep alive (anyone remember Ms. Marvel on the team? For a year?). They even tried titillation with Sue Richards as the new leader of the team, dressed in white stockings and huge cleavage. It was grimace inducing and I had forgotten just how wretched the magazine became. I was sorry to rediscover this in gory detail (often, only 2 original members were even in the comic!).
In other words, Marvel, for a very long time, has woefully forgotten how truly wonderful the first 130ish issues were, how they led the field along with Spider-man. No one since has been able to get inside the heads of the characters and take them forward again. At the very least, we all have those wonderful 12 years or so when it was something to look forward to---that next issue. Now the latest regime at Marvel has been very fortunate to have Raimi and his producers, and the great Alvin Sargent no less, to be the custodians of Spider-man in film, but it seems only luck for them was involved after seeing their choices for FF. Fantastic four should be given to people who respect the material just as much as Raimi's team does their icon, and take each character and villian as a challenge to bring faithfully to the screen (check out Chris Reeve in the new Superman box DVD--- in the vintage special for the first Supes movie, he gives a textbook example of how to commit to playing a legendary comic character). Adaptation is not castration of the imagination, and there was a reason this was the best selling comic of it's time. Within the universe of the FF, buildings shook, worlds within worlds were discovered, and a titan straight out of mythology came down from the skies to destroy the planet, and this group of characters, absolutely vulnerable and scared like everyone around them, battled against it all with New York City as the stage. You want someone to see this, to feel it and understand it, not glance at it and proclaim it unusable with today's audience. Did Raimi do that with Dr. Octopus--- a guy with crazy arms sticking out of his ribs and sunglasses beneath a Moe Howard cut? Now he is real to you as a flesh and blood movie character because Raimi did the work so well. He had the imagination, as did a devoted actor sincerely portraying him and they obviously had the respect to the source material that thrilled so many, young and old. Raimi has brought out characters this team behind FF would change in every way until they were either scrapped or were totally unrecognizable. Where is the writer of quality to bring FF to the screen like an Alvin Sargent? Does anyone in this talkback read books? Know who Walter Mosely is? Know that he shares the same opinion about the FF? Has anyone in the cast or crew even been given his book "Maximum FF"? I know absolutely he would write a script for the FF without hesitation. (Mosley's Easy Rawlins was adapted faithfully by Carl Franklin).
So let this latest sad enterprise make 100 million for the "date crowd". That is all Marvel and Tim Story are aiming for. They are not making the FF for it's fans. They are making 2 hours of Chuckee Cheese equivalent "filmed entertainment". They are making marketing. They are not interested in ambition, or scope, or history. They don't even know their role as custodians. It is almost a deconstruction going on (one look at their version of the Thing and you can see how they really don't like the look of the comic characters and are fighting them tooth and nail.)
The worst part, beyond sticking it to Kirby's vision, is that with the story of Galactus, one of the most memorable to come out of comics, a wonderful knock your socks off "Independence Day meets Superman" style film could have been made. It would have thrilled so many more who never read the comic, but go to the movie theater in the summer to escape into wonderment. They will never see that movie now and never know what they missed, because Tim Story, and Marvel cannot see it in their heads. (this just in, they cave in to pressure to make Doom's jaw move like so many artists did in the past, Hell, even the 60's cartoon did instead of the "power ranger effect----poor Doom). At this point, Pray for the Watchmen to be made right. I hear it is even safe to take a popcorn covered date along. -
The helmet's gotta go and he needs redesign, but he should definetly be a giant. It looks cool and the more powerfull the villain is, the more powerfull the heroes become. The Surfer is like Darth Vader or Saruman. He can be defeated, but if the real villain isn't, the payoff will suffer.
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Reed more interested in fame than his work? Sue has the hots for the Surfer? I'm too bored to even list the rest of the junk revealed in this interview. I wonder how much screen time will be wasted on such diversions because these Hollywood hacks can't come up with an interesting story. Instead of more moments of cool and wow from out of the comic book, we'll have 10 minutes of time wasted on Reed fuming over wandering-eyed Sue, then learning his lesson. Snooze. Padding is what it is--minutes that can tick off without cranking up the budget. Sometimes it seems like these idiots just take the scripts from Telemundo soap operas and put superhero costumes on the characters. DrShock has already expressed it best, but I had to chime in on this dreck taking the place of what could be something special.
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Very insightful. I mentioned it in another TB thread, that they told the press from the beginning when the first FF movie was announced, they would spend all the dough on effects. Apparently the studio felt FF needed so much visual FX work that they couldn't afford good writing, direction and acting. I'm surprised they even got Michael Chiklis.
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Everything is about being cool, not about being good. Angst is cool, fidelity is boring. Part of the reason most of these movies don't work is that they are not honoring the archtypes the characters represent - they are writing Dawson's Creek in tights. They will say, "we want you to identify with the hero" instead of "we want you to be inspired by the hero". Look at that trainwreck Daredevil where it's about nothing more than teen angst and hormonal revenge.
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I despise Watchmen. It is a good work, but I hate what it did to superhero comics. So, I don't care if the Watchmen movie ever gets made, because they've barely scratched the surface as to what supeheroes are really about before we need a whole swath of movies then deconstructing them and turning them into a bunch or raging assholes.
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Great interview! Gruffudd’s Hornblower was amazing. I’d love to see him revisit the character – on the big screen; “Captain Horatio Hornblower”. Mr. Ioan Gruffudd took the crown away from Mr. Gregory Peck when it comes to the character. No doubt. “Amazing Grace” sounds awesome too.
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He told me he's appearing on The View next week to explain why he isn't part of this movie.
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An "unseen force" or Ultimate Gah-Lak-Tus are lame choices in comparison to a sky-scapper tall behemoth striding through a cityscape as Surfer pleads the case for humanity. Galactus' voice booming and echoing in reply through the concrete and steel valleys of New York City, its reverberation shattering the windows of all the buildings around him. 'Of what import are brief, namless lives ... to Galactus??' You just can't do that with an "unseen force" or thousands of robotic, goofy robo-ships.
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The trailer had be excited, and I figured that galactus may not show up in this film(god i hope FOX is smart and uses him for the 3rd by setting up a cliffhanger)but this "his power comes from his board"??? Oh sweet Lord tell me that isn't going to be so.
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does Zordon appear in the movie or not?!
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WTF... now i may not be remembering this right but are we sure that the fucking surfboard is the source of the surfer's power? Ummm how about now.
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that has just totally blown away any kind of excitement I had been able to muster for this sequal after the abomination that was the first fantastic four. I AM SO FUCKING PISSED OFF NOW!! THE SURFBOARD IS NOT THE SOURCE OF SILVER SURFER'S POWER!!! THE SURFBOARD IS JUST A FUCKING COOL SURFBOARD HE USES TO FLY THROUGH SPACE!! HE WAS GIVEN THE POWER BY GALACTUS!! GALACTUS DID NOT HAND HIM A FUCKING SURFBOARD AND GO HEY SILVER SURFER GO CATCH A WAVE! GALACTUS GAVE HIM COSMIC POWER!...A BETTER WAY OF DR. DOOM STEALING SILVER SURFER's POWERS WOULD HAVE BEEN TO USE SOME KIND OF MACHINE AND TRAP THE SILVER SURFER IN IT SOMEHOW AND SUCK IT OUT OF HIS LIFEFORM. NOW THAT IS DRAMATIC... NOT FUCKING STEALING HIS SURFBOARD ON HIM!! FUCK YOU TIM STORY!! FUCK YOU!!
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Feb 14, 2007 1:43:11 AM CST
I would give my life for one chance just one chance...
by judge dredds dirty undies
to give Jessica Alba's sweet ass a lovely cheadlely glean.
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THAT IS FUCKING BULLSHIT!!
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"Galactus has a form?"
The hell?
The whole reason I've been excited about this movie (I haven't even watch the first one) was to see Galactus standing, towering over a city or...or something. And now this? Good god I don't even want to watch it now. What exactly is this movie going to be about? Seriously, what the hell is it going to be about then? -
'...herald my RAGE!' Praise to the Giffen! Most underrated comic creator ever! He is the prince under Kirby himself! Screw Byrne, Perez, Lee, Claremont, and Miller (Though, I loves me the good Miller!)... Keith Giffen is who every comic geek should want to be when they grow up! More stories than a hundred year old ferret and twice the quirks than the best drunk Irishman! Or is that the other way around...?
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F4 soft from too much fame? Dr. DOOM stealing the SS surf board? F4 helping SS get it back? Sue & SS romance? No Galactus , just a quick ending right out of MORTAL KOMBAT setting up P3. Those are my bets ...
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Fuck that shit. If you're going to cast Michael Chiklis and Julian McMahanon in a movie it better be about two hours of Detective Vic Mackey and Dr. Christian Troy fighting each other. -
a directl lead-in into a Kree-Skrull War. Or maybe just make that a Surfer movie and leave out the FF.
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I can't believe we've now seen three X-Men films with NO SENTINELS and now two Fantastic Four films with NO GALACTUS. Seriously, WTF is wrong with Hollywood?
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I'm sure it'll play out fine onscreen. The movie will still suck, of course...but that's to be expected from the Flaccid Four.
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and wanted $1MM an hour so they're cutting the scenes that actually have him in the movie. He will instead be replaced with a Robo-sapien. Oh yeah, this movie will rock. by which I mean sink fast like a rock dropped into a pool of water.
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"Galactus GOTTA EAT! BAM!!!" Into the cosmic fryer goes Earth.
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We all know how this is going to pan out, because this is a lame device used in fantasy movies when they don't know what to do with the characters. It's going to be Doom and some cockamamie device hooked up to the surfboard, and it will almost kill the Silver Surfer, blah blah blah. This whole story so far sounds like they don't know what to do with the characters other than "Silver Surfer arrives on Earth" and rehashes of the first movie. How disappointing, it should be real hard to screw up Surfer's/Galactus's first appearance.
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of Liberty. It was the worst part of the story.
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I don't give a crap who draws him, it doesn't change the fact he looks like garbage. If Galactus shows up in ff3 he needs to be redesigned in every area instead of having him look like a purple douche with a tin can on his head...yeah that just SCREAMS I wanna eat your world!
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Superninja is right - at some point, Doom gets his (metal) mitts on it and does the usual bad-guy "Let me unlock its mysteries" shit.
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Silver Surfer is the frigging Herald of Galactus. How you gonna make a movie about someone's Herald without making a movie about who they Heraldin'? This should be the easiest movie in the world to make, you just tell the writers "We need at least one shot of Galactus towering over the city, about to chow down" and boom, best movie of the year.
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Can you really be a Superhero fan without liking dorky, colorful, even stupid looking costumes? Name just one Superhero who dresses in a way you'd like to be seen in public. Every great superhero has always looked like either a gay pro wrestler, a gay male ballerina, or a gay bondage dugeon master. If you wanna start picking at Galactus' "stupid helmet", you're opening up a whole can of colorful gay worms, and we have to finally face up to the fact that there's never been even one superhero who doesn't seem to have left his house in just his underwear this morning. If you want to know what a God would look like if he were a gay ballerina, it's Galactus.
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since, well, he's the size of an ant and no one can see him...cause he's small. Like an ant. Wonder Man's was simple, black with a red 'W'. That's pretty straight forward.
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Don't forget magicians like Mandrake and Zatana. And that guy with the turban.Dr. Strange was pretty tight in the blue puffy shirt and medallion (if a bit "swinging jet set"), but those black Stratford-on-Avon leggings/tights and the crimson cape pretty much shoot him into a Queer Eye episode.
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If you knew anything, you would realize that we mere humans wouldn't perceive an entity as Galactus as anything other than the Stay-Puft Marshmellow Man -- the one thing that could never hurt us.I love Kirby. I love the FF. And I love the original Galactus arc. But a giant in a purple samurai outfit would look absolutely rediculous on film. Even if Story got it right, non-comic fans wouldn't be able to get past the Godzilla jokes.You think I want to be right on this?
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That's one helluva testimony and I applaud you. However, we ultimately disagree on several of your major points.You cite Raimi's Spider-Man as this quintessential comic movie. Yet, you must be aware that those films have their share of comic fanboy detractors. The two common gripes I read about most are how it's an emo-melodrama coupled with Pete's inability to crack wise. Now, 1 and 2 are among my favorite comic movies, but even then, I realize that they are two films of Peter not wanting to be Spider-Man. I suspect this trend to continue given the black spidey angst coming in 3.You cite the appearance of movie Thing as contempt on behalf of the filmmakers. Do you realize that many comic fanboys defended the design as being faithful to Kirby's original "lumpy" burn victim look? Sure, I'd like to see the unibrow, but it didn't happen and I was pleasantly surprised with the facial work they pulled off on the mask.I agree with you that this is market-driven. What isn't? Especially superhero films, where the profits can actually save a film's bottom line as it did with Hulk. I don't think the marketing angle can be avoided with the blockbuster era of the 70's behind us. True art can only be found in independant film.Despite the above, I still believe that the FF is the most spot-on adaptation of comic source material this side of Ghost World. They got Doom rawng, but they got the Four right. Johnny, most of all.
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