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Alright folks, yesterday I had some questions that... well just weren't answered in the pieces on "SPIDER-MAN" that hit the various trades. And in good form, the answers came. What is about to follow is 'the way it is' according to a very reliable source that I'll call... Piglet
According to Piglet, the thingee that was done on Monday gave Sony the rights to the James Cameron treatment. Piglet went on to say that while there is nothing on paper yet between Sony and Cameron, that Cameron's deal at Fox is such that if Cameron wanted to make SPIDER-MAN at Sony... well... he could. This is akin to Devlin talking with Fox about a second part of ID4. Viacom's legal arguement can not hold up a Sony production, as they claim to only have the rights to the TV broadcast. And lastly... Piglet said it would not be surprising to walk into a theater Summer 2001 and behold.... SPIDER-MAN across the silver screen.
So it seems as though everything is ready to go, and it's only a matter of time till Sony negotiates with 'Whatever' filmmaker they decide to go with, and that could very well be Cameron... if he's still attracted to the property.
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That's intresting news and can't wait to hear more about it. Not that I'm all that excited about a Spider-man movie(he's just not been one of my fav's in Marvel universe...I hold The Ever Loving Thing in high regard personally but that's just me) But it has been intresting watching all the legal wranglings and maunverings going around about this movie. If someone wanted to and had the movney and equipment to do so making a documentary fo this whole process would be intresting as hell. At least to me. But again what the hell do I know
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This whole legal fiasco makes me wonder how many other (less notorious) film projects have been tied up (or not completed at all) due to confusion over the material's ownership. We know that the only reason different studios were so aggressive in claiming their right to Spidey was that the potential pay day was so enormous...
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Mar 03, 1999 1:19:41 PM CST
Cameron, Arnold, Matt, Ben, Brando, Winslet (Wolverine film with
by abking
Cameron, if you are reading this, don't be a fucking moron. Direct SPIDER-MAN ASAP. Get Ben Affleck or Matt Damon for Spider-Man, Schwarzenegger for Doc Ock, Marlon Brando for Kingpin and Kate Winslet for Mary Jane. 1 Billion would be the box-office gross. While your at it, get Fox to greenlight your WOLVERINE film with Stallone as the ultra cool bad ass with adamantium claws.
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I'm not a comic book fan, but when a comic book is turned into a film, no one is really satisfied. The fans of the comic usually hate it, and people who don't read the comics will not see it. I can just see Cameron walk on the set with his chest sticking out, and hundred dollar bills falling out of his pockets, if Linda has not taken it already.
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Giving Cameron spider-man would be a huge mistake. Have any of you read the script he wrote? He created some lame-ass villain, fucked up peter's origin, tinkered with his powers, it just plain sucked. I say let's have the nerdy high school Peter, keep the relationship problems. If this tuns into a franchise, introduce a Gwen Stacy charachter, Have peter and her start a relationship in the second movie, have Norman Osborn kill her in the final battle of the 2nd movie before Peter finally emerges vicorious. I mean Spider-man is a great charachter and this could become one of the greatest movie franchises of all time. Just stay true to the charachter.
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Upon hearing that Sony had won the rights to the Spiderman project, I damn near shitted my pants. If had been rumored that Sony had been seeking the rights not for James Cameron to helm, but the Dumb and Dumber team of Roland Emmerich and Dean Devlin! If the jackass Sony suits pursue this, you can all but kiss your chances of a quality movie franchise goodbye. I fear the day when I walk into the theater, and god forbid, watch Spiderman fight off an unoriginal roided-up Velociraptor with human arms that had come from city dwarfing UFO's that just traveled through a Stargate. Doesn't like like Spidey can handle it, where're the Universal Soldiers?! ACK!
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Giving Cameron spider-man would be a huge mistake. Have any of you read the script he wrote? He created some lame-ass villain, fucked up peter's origin, tinkered with his powers, it just plain sucked. I say let's have the nerdy high school Peter, keep the relationship problems. If this tuns into a franchise, introduce a Gwen Stacy charachter, Have peter and her start a relationship in the second movie, have Norman Osborn kill her in the final battle of the 2nd movie before Peter finally emerges vicorious. I mean Spider-man is a great charachter and this could become one of the greatest movie franchises of all time. Just stay true to the charachter.
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Ive said this before but oh well.... In the Y2K issue of PREMIERE, Cameron said that ticket prices should be doubled because "there is no profit in moviemaking." If ticket prices were doubled, the money would NOT go to the Hollywood lower and middle class (i.e. the grunts and strugling artists). It would simply make the upper class (movie stars, producers, and A list directors like Cameron) twice as rich. The coward interviewer at PREMIERE somehow didnt think to ask Cameron how that statement of his was true in light of how much money he made of TITANIC, not to mention all his other movies. So, I implore all of you... DO NOT PAY FOR CAMERON FILMS! He is an excellent filmmaker, so I do not ask that you avoid his films, just dont pay for them! Buy a ticket for a classic re-release or a small film with low hopes, and then just walk into Cameron's film! Make this greedy asshole pay for his greediness! Do you think that egomaniac gives a shit about us?! Why are we paying for his sports cars and diamond-studed dog collars?? DONT PAY FOR HIS MOVIES, PLEASE!!! And if your reading this Cameron, YOU'RE A PRICK!
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I agree with the previous poster. Has anyone else read his stuff yet. It was terrible. It wasn't Spiderman! It was this guy with webbing coming out of his arms???!!! Please Sony, please! Don't let him touch the script! If he wants to direct it, fine. But don't let him mess with the story, PLEASE??????
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At one point, I would have been very excited about this, but after reading what Cameron supposedly has planned, I'm not so sure. Specifically, the bit about having Peter Parker mutated to the point that the web fluid actually come out of his wrists, and not out of web slingers he constructed. I always the thought those little devices were cool, almost possible, and shows that Peter has more up his sleeve (pardon the pun) than just spider powers he just stumbled into.
This 'make him more of an outcast' idea smacks of Nicholas Cage's incorrect concept of Superman as an outsider, and makes me more concerned about how this will turn out. Oh, well, we'll see.
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Kate Winslet as Mary Jane, Lee Ermey as J. Jonah Jameson, and ? as Peter. (Is John Cusack too old?) -
Two words: Robert DeNiro.
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well, it was stated yesterday and i feel the need to re-state it today, Nicholas Brendon from Buffy the Vampire Slayer would make the perfect spiderman. As for James Cameron, I loved Titanic, but i just don't think he'll do Peter Parker any justice
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Two words: Arnold Schwarzenegger. Did I mention that Stallone should play Wolverine in Cameron's WOLVERINE film (if it ever happens) or Bryan Singer's X-MEN.
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Man, a lot of you people are really against James Cameron directing this and I find it kind of surprising. His treatment was written a LONG TIME AGO. What makes you so sure he'd even use it? Plus, you can't see the whole picture from a treatment anyway. It's a bit premature to write this one off as a mistake (but I guess that's the nature of these talk back posts). There whould be a lot of advantages to having 'ol James at the wheel. Here's a few: 1. He won't have any trouble getting as much money as he'd want to make it with. 2. We'd be practicly guranteed a quality picture (admit it, he's no slouch) 3. He'd likley have no problem getting whatever cast he desired. None of these were the case on any other Marvel-based movie (don't count Blade, most people have no idea he's a Marvel character). Personally, Cameron would be the only director I can think of that I'd have faith in. Whoever gets the director's chair will be a big name. If Devlin & Emmerich get this, THEN I'll loose all hope. Those guys are the worst. I'll never understand why they're successful.
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first of all, i appreciate those people who resist the urge to piss on the keyboard and post it everytime there is spider-man article. so some of you think it will suck--thanks, i read it the last time there was a spider-man article. and the time before. now, what do people think of barry sonnenfeld directing spider-man? i'm thinking of MIB when i say this. a little less comedic tone though for spider-man (excluding spidey's classic verbal exchanges during fighting). i'd like that guy who wrote both gattica and dark city to give writing spidey a whirl. finally, i'd like to see a noname actor portray spidey. some superheroes should be superstars, but spidey is most like a regular guy. i don't need to see some $20 mill star ham it up (i.e. gibson, willis, cage). those guys don't act anymore-- they just slide on their charisma.
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Well, I think yesterday the consensus was that Nick Brendon would make a killer spidey. I've come to agree... at first glance, I thought, "good, but there must be someone better"... I'm not so sure now. So give im the spot. And I do think Joss should write, but hey, that's up in the air. What gets me is how many people are suggesting Shwarzenegger for doc oc. What the hell is wrong with you? Have you ever even seen the comic? Doc Oc is a kind of dumpy-looking scientist. He is not a body-builder. Personally, I think Michael Ironsides would make a pretty good Doctor Octopus. A bit different from the comic's, but still viable.
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To continue: the other thing I see people doing is suggesting young actors for Eddie Brock. Well, I agree Venom shouldn't be in the first film, because introducing the alien costume along with spidey's origins all at once might be a bit too much to ask of the audience. Plus he's so badass, he should be saved. But a young actor like Caspar Van Dien? Nonono. Brock always seemed to me distinctly older than peter parker... he's at the very end of his chance to make it as a reporter, but is still at square one. That's what makes him hate spidey so much... he perceives spidey as having taken away his last chance for success. Arnold would be good, just cause he's built and over the hill, but the accent would kill it, and he certainly couldn't pull of venom's insane mutterings. Perhaps Dolph Lundgren... or, while we're talking Johnny Mnemonic cast, how about Henry Rollins... how badass would that be? He's not an established big-role actor, but LORD, he's FUCKING INTENSE, and a smart guy to boot. I could see him pulling it off easily.
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Mar 03, 1999 4:03:12 PM CST
Stallone as Carnage/Wolverine & Schwarzenegger as Venom/Doc Ock
by abking
I just got a great idea!!! Why not cast Stallone as Carnage and Schwarzenegger as Venom. Stallone would put in a psychological performance and make you believe he is crazy. Arnold would go over-the-top as Venom. Forget Mr. Freeze, I'm talking about a performance that would rival Jack Nicholson's performance as the Joker. Did I forget to mention that Sly would make the ultimate WOLVERINE and Arnold has to be DOC OCK. What would you get if you teamed the three BIGGEST egos (Sly, Arnold and Cameron) in the world? The movie that would finally out gross TITANIC at the box-office.
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first, ab are you playing on a caricature of yourself now...don't make fun of yourself when others can do it so easily for you.
secondly, what about ben affleck or his buddy from Chasing Amy as Peter, or-hold your breath-the reporter kid from 'saving private ryan'. you know the one who froze up when the german came down the stairs. he was also the main character in 'going all the way', which contrary to public/critic opinion was a pretty damn good movie...the audio effects were great in the 'too drunk to get it up scene'...it didn't hurt that rose mcgowan was THE perfectgirl for that role(and she takes her top off)...definately rent 'going all the way'...anyway,back to casting opinions, i'm starting to tangent like harry(no offense harry).
mary jane...umm...kate winslett sounds good. JJJ should be done by the psycho army seargent(?) from full metal jacket.
and yeah comic movies dont do the comics justice, but DUH!! they're just cool to see on the big screen...do you think that anyone running around in tights is cool, and no wwf and wcw are not cool.
muscle pronunciation is much better in the comics and the anonymousness of putting your own 'voice' to the comics is what makes them genuine...anyway, just please don't do it up like CapAmerica (i don't THINK so)
is that a perpetual fog that hung over the filmakers brain that we see in the quality.
alright enough.
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I have just read ABking's ideas for the casting of Wolverine, Doc Oc, and Venom. I am completely, COMPLETELY dumbfounded. Arnold as Doc Oc or Venom? Are you kidding me? Does anyone remember Batman and Robin? That crap is unforgivable!!!! Arnold would change an introverted, scientific, lunatic like Octopus into some cheesy-wisecracking LAME-ASS. In the case of Venom, again keep it the hell away from Arnold. This kick of introducing crappy-ass humor into his movies does not seem like it will ever end. Stallone as Wolverine????? Well as the answer to that, lets all look at another Stallone/comic book movie called Judge Dredd (a.k.a. CRAP in at least 48 of the 50 states). Hey, I KNOW.....we can get Rob Schneider to act as Wolverine's added sidekick, Muskrat, and at the same time satisfy Arnold's crappy-ass humor in the movie requirement!!! ----HELL NO. In an effort to not be completely negative, I like the Ironsides idea for Doc Oc, Cusack could certainly cover the acting needed for Parker (although I don't think he could handle the physical stuff Spiderman requires), and as for the rest..........ahhhhh, whatever.
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I don't beleive that the article in that magazine is very reliable, because since its written we can not determine if Cameron was being sarcastic or not with out litterally hearing it (Cameron has been known to make sarcastic remarks a lot.) It is most likely he was being sarcastic and didn't mean for it to be taken seriously. The point is you can't just acuse the nature of someones statement as being something, when you didn't hear it yourself personally. Bye for now.
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Having read the Cameron treatment, I have to say that he would do an awful Spider-Man. I mean, Electro with no costume calling himself Carlton? Peter shooting webs out of his skin instead of his web-shooters (hey, Cameron, ever hear of suspension of disbelief)? Peter and Mary-Jane getting together in a KARATE KID-style subplot? Ugh. Looks like Cameron came from the Jon Peters/Tim Burton school of messing up comic book properties.
Also, you guys can forget about Cameron making SPIDER-MAN; he told PREMIERE Magazine that he's no longer interested, and that he'll only make superhero movies that feature his own creations. Which is just as well, I guess. I was really let down by his treatment. Personally, I'd rather see Kevin Smith and John McTiernan team up for this film.
Oh, yeah, and one more thing: David Boreanaz--Angel on BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER--told TWIST Magazine that he'd like to play Spidey. I could go for that. What say you? -
First, if you're going to do Spider-Man, you can't ignore the origin story. It's just simple economics. To get the average filmgoer into the movies, you must make a story that fits close to the comic, not something that would alienate them, or something just for "fan-boys." If you do the origin story, you have to stick to the fact that SPIDER-MAN IS ONLY 15 FUCKING YEARS OLD! HE DOESN'T EVEN DRIVE A CAR! You can't cast Buffy people, who all look like late 20s/early 30s pretty people anyway. Peter Parker, for want of a better word, is a DORK. An outcast, a nerd, whatever you want to call him. Secondly, those who want Stallone or Schwarzenegger to play Doc Ock? You have to be kidding. As one post said above me, did anyone forget Batman and Robin? You have to cast a great actor first, not some action monotone muscle thug. The DeNiro suggestion wasn't bad - personally, I'd like Al Pacino, or Kevin Spacey - and that's the vein you need to go in. As for Spidey himself, cast an unknown. And someone who actually looks like a teenager. Understand? Some of you people need to actually read the damn thing before you post here.
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Lets see....for one....peter parker is supposed to be 17 years old...cusack is a damn great actor...but come on...17 he is not...now i know older actors play younger parts all the time.....but for most of the time...i think that it looks really dumb....take beverly hills 90210....they all look like there forty years old walking down school halls....even when it started. i am thinking of people that have that younger look....i don't think either off the too guys of buffy are right either..especially since there not looking that young now....i think a good choice for peter parker is Ethan Embry (he was in sony/columbia picture's Can't Hardly Wait for those that didn't know) ...he has those innocent qualitites to him and his age could easily be pulled off...and i'll say it again....get Joe Johnston for director(he did rocketeer and october sky)...and get William Goldman (Princess Bride) to adapt cameron's treatment to the screen....what is with everyone knocking cameron's scriptment....stan lee who created the damn character loved the treatment. i think it is well thought out.....i don't like the idea of a whole bunch of costumed whereing people in the film....spidey is fine....but he character of electro/carlton was perfect.....alot more depth to him than the cookie cutter formula you see in most charaters villians.....cameron brought his own flair to the story....and for the most part....it is much better than the actually real story of parker if told today. i am sorry....him creating web slingers that had that capability is just bullshit...and as for suspension of disbelief....most people are so damn cynical these days there is no way for them just to believe that lightly.....he has done an amazing job at putting it into treatment form....and i think that if it was done the original way....it would be laughable and campy.
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Spiderman was never one of my favorites, but let's face it -- the comic was originally about a teenager. One comic that was really made with kids in mind. Of course, Peter grew up, and had to deal with more grown-up problems, but the character started off rather innocently as a geek who suddenly could get attention, just not as himself. Everyone should be cast as teen except for the villian. This means no Affleck, Cusack, etc. I like the idea of the Buffy guy doing it, because Spidey's tongue-in-cheek humor would fit right in with his writing style, and as modern teenagers they should have a more serious approach, but an air of immaturity nonetheless. The only thing that stinks is it doesn't leave much room for Black Cat, which is my favorite character in the Spidey universe. P.S. -- I hate M.J. Anyone who says to a man "Hey...Tiger" should be shot.
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He'll do anything for any amount of money. They'll just have to brown their noses real good to get him back on board. Once they've begged, and pleaded, and kissed enough @$$, Cameron will once again convince himself he's "King of the World" and make this film with his half-baked, unprovocative, uncreative script. BAD SIGN #1: Electro/Kingpin amalgam. Do we really need this? I think he's been talking with Jon Peters, and they've compared superhero scripts. BAD SIGN #2: Peter now shoots webs out of his wrists. Wow, I guess we didn't need that whole geek thing in there after all! What, is Spidey gonna be played as 90s misfit by Seth Green? Spiderman was smart -- that's what made him different. When are they going to realize that we, as an audience, can actually handle an intelligent film? I know you can make stupid blow-me-up films like Armageddon and bring in the cash, but the sad part is that if those films actually had a script, they'd be 100 times better.
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A fifteen year old spidey? Give me a break. It was fine for the comic, it would suck for the movie. The essence of spidey is his wise-cracking fighting style (along w/ the great power|great responsibility theme)... can you see any actors who look fifteen being able to pull off a scene where he fights a group of standard thugs, and is in complete control of the situation all of the time? No. It's not believable (this is all relative, naturally) to have a 15 year old as a superhero. Maybe in another screenplay -- that ISN'T the essence of spiderman though, and it never has been. It makes much more sense to push the origin story up to when spidey's in college... increases the viable acting pool tremendously, and provides more appeal to the audience. The only justification for doing otherwise is pure pigheadedness. I agree, the source material should be respected... but the hundreds of issues of the comic HAVE to be altered somewhat to be made into a movie, or series of movies.
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A fifteen year old spidey? Give me a break. It was fine for the comic, it would suck for the movie. The essence of spidey is his wise-cracking fighting style (along w/ the great power|great responsibility theme)... can you see any actors who look fifteen being able to pull off a scene where he fights a group of standard thugs, and is in complete control of the situation all of the time? No. It's not believable (this is all relative, naturally) to have a 15 year old as a superhero. Maybe in another screenplay -- that ISN'T the essence of spiderman though, and it never has been. It makes much more sense to push the origin story up to when spidey's in college... increases the viable acting pool tremendously, and provides more appeal to the audience. The only justification for doing otherwise is pure pigheadedness. I agree, the source material should be respected... but the hundreds of issues of the comic HAVE to be altered somewhat to be made into a movie, or series of movies.
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please delete the double post, I thought your endlessly flaky cgi had crapped out on me. Sorry.
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ABking, what is your hardon with Stallone and Schwarzenegger? Geez. I understand the principles behind keeping the web slingers, but come on. It is impractical that a kid would create the strongest substance know to man.
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For the record, it's not the strongest substance on earth. It dissolves in a couple hours, and is weaker than steel (if memory serves). And steel is by no means the strongest material on earth... and in fact, if you're talking tensile strength (which we are) there are composites today that bear a lot of resemblance to the webslingers (in that they shoot super-strong quickhardening goo... not from its aesthetic standpoint, not to mention compactness). Anyway, it's far less improbable that a supersmart kid would develop something like that than it is he'd gain superstrength from a radioactive spider bite. Besides, you GOTTA pull out the "MY WEBSHOOTER'S JAMMED/OUT OF FLUID!" bit at least once during the movie.
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People, let's get creative with the casting ideas. Doc Oct should be played by Bob Hoskins. There should be only one villain and Mary Jane should be reserved for a sequel.
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who da fuck thought up Kate "cake-eating fat ass" Winslet 4 MJ?? sheeeeet... cmon?? ur joking? pls?? if i went to movie and saw her taking up half the screen id shit down my legs.. NE1 would B better!!
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I just hope they don't screw up this movie like they did Batman! They just ruined them! The acting and the stories were bad and the dialogue was so damn cheesy! Whoever makes Spiderman should stick to the story in the comic book and don't make the movie cheesy.
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Well, I haven't read Cameron's treatment, so I haven't really any opinion on that front. But what about Matthew Perry as Peter Parker? He already plays the sarcastic wise-cracker on Friends, so he's got that goin' for him at least. Just tone his physique up fer Spidey and we're set! Or not.
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if cameron is brought in great, if not let robert rodergiz direct it from a kevin smith script. you want to talk to about a cast try this on for size. for spider-man cast none other than casey affleck who can be seen now in 200 cigarettes. and no he and ben are not the same person. casey is 23, funny, 5'10, has a good built and can be as funny as hell. as for the villain, just use the green goblin. on screen, he could be a really scary mother fucker. i think kevin spacey would be perfect for here. he would be this film's jack nicholson. As for the love interest just use mary-jane and cast nikki cox. she's the perfect babe. as for the supporing roles, how about jamey kennedy from scream as harry osborne. as for flash thompson how about casper van dien. lastly, kingpin would be played by marlon brando, aunt may gloria stuart and jjj r.lee ermy.
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Will Sony and 20th Century Fox each pony up $100 Million dollars each and get James (King Of The World Until "Phantom Menace" Opens) Cameron to sign on the dotted line and make this movie a reality! This is the MOVIE EVENT worth wating for in line for and would make a great follow-up for James Cameron after "Titanic"!
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All this fuss about Cameron doing Spiderman seems to be a bit mislplaced. If you read his 'scriptment' you'll see that this comic book movie is going to suck like most of them do. There's a made up villain (a kind of Electro / Kingpin amalgam, but less interesting than either), most of the high school cast missing, apart fom MJ and Flash (who has a different surname), and what amounts to a cameo from JJ, who runs a cable channel, or something. But I'm not just beeing fanboyish, and obsessing over details. The spirit of the whole thing feels wrong. The central concept of Spider-man to me has alway's been a young man with problems like anyone else, has the added problem of being a superhero, even if he has the flu, or hasn't done his washing, or has to earn money to earn the rent! This is entirely missing from Camerons approach. An episodic format like comics have a difficult enough time making the jump to movies - more care, thought and attention needs to be paid. Spidey deserves better than this!
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missing the point. "Skip the teenage melodrama?" Why not throw out the entire Uncle Ben story altogether? "Man, that's a downer - let's have Spidey KICK ASS!" The people who said this is going to suck are right. You people bitch about how bad Batman and Robin sucked, but think about it. That film feels like it's made with so-called "fan-boy" input. Don't believe me? Here goes... "Hey, in the new Batman flick let's get Schwarzenegger as Dr. Freeze! Fuckin' cool! Uma Thurman as Poison Ivy! Alicia Silverstone as Batgirl! Yeah, Batgirl rocks! Screw that brooding stuff, and throw out Kilmer - let's get George Clooney as Bruce Wayne! And more ACTION! I'm tired of hearing about Bruce's parents - we need more FIGHT SCENES!" And Warner's obliged. Spider-Man done right won't suck, I promise. If you're going to make a successful franchise you can't throw every damn plot and villain into the mix. Mutated webshooters? WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU SMOKING? First you don't want Emmerich, or Cameron involved to fuck it up, and then you want all these weird ass casting moves and more action, action, action! I loved the Green Goblin-Gwen Stacy story, and would very much like to see it in film - but wait for the sequel. Introduce the charaters of Harry and Norman Osbourne and Gwen Stacy in the first film, but wait until the sequel to do it. The first Spidey film should be about SPIDEY, not the villains. Doc Ock is the perfect choice. Show some restraint, people. If it's possible.
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Forget Doc Oc. Forget the Kingpin. Hell, don't even bring up Venom. Spiderman's greatest enemy is, beyond the shadow of all doubt, JAMES CAMERON. The man is an egotistical, pseudo-artistic buffoon, energized by the (to put it mildly) positive reception of his god-awful "Titanic." I read in an old online interview transcript that Cameron was indeed interested in pursuing the "Spiderman" movie. Furthermore, guess whom he pictured as the web-slinger himself? Yep. None other than Leo Di-Freakin'-Caprio. Leo DiCrappio as Spiderman? I think I'm gonna' puke. Someone get me a bucket.
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Whenever Cameron's name comes up, it seems all the children come out to play and throw their toys out of their cots...
What is all this "Cameron hate?" Quite simply he's produced some of the most spectacular films ever, and therefore people (children) think he should therefore be knocked off his pedestal?
Did he make tacky films like ID4 and Godzilla? No, he actually made films with cutting edge technology and a little bit of soul to them. Be happy that we have someone like him making films, else we'd have even more mindless block-busters!
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just a few thoughts on our favorite everyman superhero's transition to film. First of all, I really didn't like Cameron's treatment. You don't need to mess the the spiderman mythos...and you shouldn't. Unlike most comic book heroes, Spiderman is at least recognizable to the average joe sixpack. He's one of the few that, along with Batman and Supes, that have entered the american consciousness. People know the basic "bitten by the radioactive spider" bit. Don't change a good thing. Keep the power/responsiblity angle, Pete's everyday problems; all the stuff that make our hero who he is. A few minor changes are expected (I don't mind the moving it up to College...in fact I think that might work better...think about it...high tech experiments in NYC public schools?), but lose the webs straight from the wrist thing....if they're gonna be organic, they might as well get the anatomy right and have the web shoot out of his ass, like a spider's does (I hope you smelled the sarcasm there....imagine the image, though!). I'm not gonna quibble with casting, but if cameron (or anyone else) is gonna do this, please work up a new treatment (personally, I'd love to see Doc Ock!). Well, flame away. There's my two cents.
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I am astounded these days by how much anti-Cameron sentiment there is these days. Why? Because he's conceited? He is. Because he's a total control freak? Bingo again. Because he takes liberties with the story? Yup. Because he's a total dog of a human being? Judging by the way he treats his wives, that's true too. But none of that detracts from the fact that he is a genius when he gets behind a camera. Maybe Titanic was a little too successful. Guys don't like that it was successful because it was too chick-flicky and got too much hype for the wrong reasons. And now we have to hear about that little spank DiCaprio all the time. But you can't take away from the fact that it was an astounding piece of filmmaking when you look at all aspects of it. I think that Cameron is a man of great vision. I read the Spidey treatment. It was different, but still very good. I think everybody should just take faith in the fact that whatever the general story is, if it's in Cameron's hands, it will certainly be entertaining. If he does do it, he'll do a great job. Personally, I don't think he will, though...
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Mar 04, 1999 4:20:58 PM CST
"You FUCKING people. You have no idea" - A Few Good Men (Nathen
by abking
You guys have me all wrong. When I think of a SPIDER-MAN film, I picture BATMAN (the first movie) meets T2. I don't picture that shit fest known as BATMAN & ROBIN. Schwarzenegger is a perfect choice for Doc Ock (didn't you see how muscular Doc Ock looked in the Spider-Man cartoon on Fox)? Stop thinking of Mr. Freeze and think of Arnold as THE TERMINATOR. Then put him in Doc Ocks suit, dark shades and his tenticals. You know I'm right. Jack Nicholson, Spacy, Pacino and De Niro would also make GREAT Doc Ocks, don't get me wrong, but Cameron should get Arnold so he can redeem himself after Batshit & Robin. I never said Stallone would make a good Doc Ock, I said he should play WOLVERINE (the guy is built like a tank like Wolvie and he sounds alot like him - rent Cobra or the Rambo movies if you haven't seen them in a while and you'll see that I'm right. SPIDER-MAN is in the hands of the right person - JAMES CAMERON, the "KING OF THE WORLD". Don't you people realize that his ego is perfect for SPIDER-MAN. He will make this movie with the same energy as he did TITANIC, TRUE LIES, TERMINATOR, T2 and ABYSS. Those are some great MOTHERFUCKING MOVIES....As for people thinking I have a hard-on for STALLONE and SCHWARZENEGGER, well all I have to say is they are, and always will be, my two favorite actors. I have liked them since I saw the original TERMINATOR, ROCKY and (Rambo) FIRST BLOOD. They are the two COOLEST actors around. Remove the bug up all your asses and admit it.
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Samuel L. Jackson is a really cool actor, too. Should we cast HIM as doc ock? No. Shwarzenegger is completely wrong. Completely. First, the good doctor spews intelligent-villain dialogue all the time. We saw how well Arny pulled that off with Mr. Freeze (not that the writing was intelligent. But still, "they are the harbingers of your doom" turned into "dey ah de ahbinjuh of yoh DOOOM"). Second, the cartoon doc ock is muscular? what the hell? First, that cartoon is pretty lame, and second, they draw maybe a single line down his chest to separate his pecs -- that's basically because comic artists ALWAYS do that... it's just a thing. You look at some issues, JJJ's arms are pretty cut.
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Someone said Casey Affleck. I hadn't thought of that. I've been high on the Nick Brendon bandwagon, but that's a great idea. Also, for venom, what about Adrain Pasdar. This guy looks great, and menacing - has a spectacular build. Surely he could do something in this hopefully non-Cameron film. Besides, I am sick to death of these huge budgeted, star-studded, smart-ass dialog plotless bombs. Can't someone make a smart film that also has f/x? Will I see it before I die?
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finally someone agrees that casey and not ben affleck is the perfect choice for spider-man. he is 23, 5'10, and is funny as hell. plus he's not a big name actor so james cameron can keep his promise of not having a star play spider-man. as far as a villain, every action movie must have a great villain or else the hero looks stupid. so here, i suggest the green goblin who is the greatest spider-man villain of all time. i can picture kevin spacey as him. just think in two years.....sony entertainment presents... a james cameron film...casey affleck.....kevin spacey....nikki cox....SPIDER-MAN
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Yes on Casey, as I said earlier, (still not ruling out Nick Brendon) and I love Kevin Spacey. But, if he's not available, how about Miguel Ferrer? He's quite meanacing. If you don't know who he is, check out his ImDB page.
Also, can't really get behind Cameron at this point. Someone mentioned Barry Sonnenfeld. Yes! I like it. -
Read in paper that he wants to play Spiderman, and he'll do anything to get it! YUK!!! Nick Brendon is right. I thought PP was a college student...so his age is perfect. As to any of you on the natural web from the wrist bandwagon....if the mutation was to hold true, Peter would be shooting web from his ASS!!! now there would be a special effect! Like I said before, now that the movie is almost a go, we should make ourselves heard, before they ruin the casting...for those of you who have read the so called Cameron Treatment...find it and post it, so we all can evalulate it's validity....
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The Monitor section of the latest Entertainment Weekly (March 12) explains that the "Spider Man" project will move forward. Who has "reportedly expressed interest" in starring in the film? Jim Carrey! (No joke)
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SSZero, don't be a FUCKING MORON. When I say Arnold and Sly are my favorite actors, obviously I'm not talking about their acting (even though they do pretty good for what material they get). If you can't figure that out, then go shoot yourself. I like Sly and Arnold "the movie stars". Yes I said it. They are true MOVIE STARS if there ever was one. They both have a commanding presence that not many actors have. They are promotional giants. They made some of the BEST & GREATEST action films that ROCKED this world. In short, they are COOL. Take a look at their films. Arnold has: THE TERMINATOR, TERMINATOR 2: JUDGEMENT DAY, TRUE LIES, PREDATOR, TOTAL RECALL, ERASER, CONAN THE BARBARIAN, CONAN THE DESTROYER... Sly has: ROCKY, ROCKY 2, ROCKY 3, ROCKY 4, ROCKY 5, FIRST BLOOD, RAMBO: FIRST BLOOD 2, RAMBO 3, CLIFFHANGER, DEMOLITION MAN, COBRA, COP LAND, TANGO and CASH... END OF DAYS and DETOX are coming this year and if both of them end up striking big, Schwarzenegger and Stallone will BE BACK ON TOP.
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Lets face it. Jason Lee deserves a shot like this. His quips in Mallrats are the stuff of Peter Parker. Plus he used to be a skater, so he is agile, and most of the Spidy action will be CGI. And why not let Kevin Smith Have a crack at this Spiderman thing. Sony needs to take a chance. Let someone who knows comics write and direct. Give The Man A Chance (and a budget.) Let me know what you think, This is my first time posting, and I think I'm right.
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You know, it's funny... everytime James Cameron sets out to make a movie (with the possible exception of T2), all the nay-sayers come out and start making noise about how bad it looks like it is going to be. No one knows if Cameron is going to do it or not, but if he is, why doesn't everyone just sit back and wait to see if he can pull it off. I have yet to be disappointed in anything he has done (with the possible exception of T2) :-) Face it, he may be a womanizing @$$hole, but he knows how to make movies. And, as someone pointed out earlier, he does whatever it takes to make sure it doesn't suck. I would be happy to see Cameron do Spidey. Is it possible that someone could do a better job? Of course. But if I had to pick one filmmaker as the least likely to make a bad film, Cameron would be it.
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You know, it's funny... everytime James Cameron sets out to make a movie (with the possible exception of T2), all the nay-sayers come out and start making noise about how bad it looks like it is going to be. No one knows if Cameron is going to do it or not, but if he is, why doesn't everyone just sit back and wait to see if he can pull it off. I have yet to be disappointed in anything he has done (with the possible exception of T2) :-) Face it, he may be a womanizing @$$hole, but he knows how to make movies. And, as someone pointed out earlier, he does whatever it takes to make sure it doesn't suck. I would be happy to see Cameron do Spidey. Is it possible that someone could do a better job? Of course. But if I had to pick one filmmaker as the least likely to make a bad film, Cameron would be it.
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SSZero, I would love to STUFF shit in your mouth when DETOX and END OF DAYS become BLOCKBUSTERS.
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IF SPIDERMAN EVER SEES THE LIGHT OF DAY, HOW ABOUT THE AMAZINGLY TALENTED ROBERT DOWNEY JR. AS PETER? YES, HE MIGHT HAVE TO PUT ON A FEW POUNDS AND BE GIVEN A CHAPERONE TO KEEP HIM AWAY FROM THE MEDICINE CABINET, BUT DAMN THAT GUY CAN ACT! LAST I HEARD, HE WAS CLEAN. HE ALWAYS DELIVERS A STELLAR PERFORMANCE.
CAMERON, YOU SHOULD HAVE STAYED ON THAT SHIP!
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SSZero, you don't need me to feel stupid. The two S's in your name must stand for STUPID SHITHEAD. And at least you already know you are a ZERO by calling yourself one. You only wished I emailed you-you pervert. Go eat some of daddy's home made SHIT. That should make you feel good.
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