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TV Guide: GALACTICA Gets
13 Episodes of Season Four!!!!

Published at: Feb. 12, 2007, 12:43 p.m. CST by hercules

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  • Feb. 12, 2007, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Not 20!?!

    by Billyeveryteen

    Frak!

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 12:41 p.m. CST

    Eat me Metalwater.

    by Billyeveryteen

    So say we all!!

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 12:46 p.m. CST

    13 is fine..as long as....

    by SydBarretsMyDad

    the 7 episodes they didnt make would have been the filler crap ones. This show has got the "Lost" disease now. I watch for an hour, barely anything happens.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 12:49 p.m. CST

    I gotta admit

    by kurdt420

    This season just isnt blowing me away. I kinda wish they would introduce some new enemies because the cylons are getting tiresome. I know it's not Star Trek but they could run into one or two alien lifeforms to mess with. Just a thought, I'm sure others will dissagree.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 12:52 p.m. CST

    13 more episodes of...

    by DerLanghaarige

    ...angry looking people who talk in front of an annoying, but "hip" and "authentic" shaky cam about how fucked the situation in which they are stuck in is? Okay...

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 12:54 p.m. CST

    s04?

    by RaveX

    WOOOOO frakkin' HOOOOOO!!!!!!111one

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 1:06 p.m. CST

    Sweet. Last night's ep was excellent

    by modlight

    Whatever happens, I just hope that this show gets a fair shake if they decide to end it. Let them finish the story. I honestly don't know how much more they can do in those ships.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 1:07 p.m. CST

    This frakking rocks my socks

    by ShatirLavan

    At least there's half a season there. Hopefully they'll fill in the rest as time goes on. I agree with putting in other opponents and alien races. I can definitely see some more of the classic series adventures getting updated. And lets get some more Boxey!

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 1:08 p.m. CST

    13 episodes...

    by Eternal

    ...is what season 2 and 3 should have been. Filler is bad enough but that godawful 'shipper' crap takes the cake. I can't wait for Maelstrom when Starbuck dies! hahaha. That means at least 16 eps with no soap opera.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 1:11 p.m. CST

    It's unfortunate that...

    by CROATOA

    They've reduced the number of episodes, hopefully they'll at least be able to wrap it up competently in season 5 if that is made (I suspect that they won't be able to give us a satisfactory series ending next season so here's hoping that they get to tell the story they were presumably planing to finnish in season 5).

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 1:13 p.m. CST

    And yes,

    by CROATOA

    I can see all those spelling errors above! Sorry!

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 1:25 p.m. CST

    YES!!!

    by Frank The Rabbit

    THIS IS AWESOME NEWS! BEST SPACE EPIC EVER!!!!!!!

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 1:36 p.m. CST

    The Final Five.

    by CrownOfSushi

    I'm not sure why the obvious hasn't been stated, but the appearance of Gaius in Caprica Six' mind leads me to believe there is an extra connection there, such as they may both be the final five. I know the theory has been passed that Lucy Lawless was apologizing to the hybrid, but she had much more reason to apoligize to six for leaving her behind. Plus, maybe she is called caprica six because she is a cross over model based on the "final five" and there are two versions of her. If a "human" can turn out to be a sleeper cylon, why can't a cylon turn out to be a sleeper "final five."

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Did they already do pirate ships?

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    They could do pirate clans. In Exo-Squad the mid-90s cartoon show, which is in many ways an homage to BSG and other sci-fi shows, they had a heavy pirate presence which maybe BSG could use, since they don't want any aliens. I agree that they Cylons are a little too... out of the way at this point. There needs to be more conflict. Season 1 was genius because there was basically always constant conflict, which is what was so good about Exo-Squad, even though I doubt many people here remember.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 1:39 p.m. CST

    13 Is Actually Good

    by Brock Samson

    If they have to have filler crap like lasts nights show to fill 20 eps, then I say keep it at 13. Works for HBO!

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 1:40 p.m. CST

    Also enough of the cerebral crap.

    by CrownOfSushi

    I really hope the final five come out of their closet, that they are blood thirsty lunatics and they call an "Order 66" so all the tin cans turn on everyone and pull a major Reavers, ala Firefly, on all of these whiny bastards.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 1:43 p.m. CST

    SO SAY WE ALL!

    by Hairy Nutsack

    Eat me MetalWater!<p> Vog licks donkey balls!<p> SO SAY WE ALL!<p> 13 episodes? WTF, this is pretty goddam insulting to both the production team and the fans if it's true. More proof SciFi wants to change formats and turn into another stupid channel like Spike.<p> Send your hate mail to bonniehammer@ihatescifi.com

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 1:43 p.m. CST

    This is GOOD News

    by Hovitos2k

    Say what you want about the current direction, but 13 more episodes of BSG is better than the whole season of Ugly Betty! BSG is like pizza, even when it's bad, it's still good...

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Good news

    by thatdudewalter

    I would like more, but as others have said, if they can steamline them down to episodes that are more in the vein of Exodus and less The Woman King, then 13 would be fine. Just hurry up and make them so we do not have to wait for a year.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 1:48 p.m. CST

    Now...

    by jimmy rabbitte

    They should be able to get streamlined down to whatever it is they hope to accomplish. This would probably be a good time to go ahead and say when they intend to finish up the series. That way, they pull out the stops, let the story progress naturally without worrying about having to resolve things in later seasons. Eick and Moore have a real chance to ramp things up and go out with a big finish. <p> Now all they have to do is deliver...

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 1:51 p.m. CST

    13 is good

    by supertoyslast

    I'm hoping for a 13-episode fifth season to complete the series. 13 episodes seems like a good length to have a substantial tightly-plotted story arc with no filler. Especially when you want a well-paced story to draw the series to a conclusion.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Thirteen IS Good...

    by Abin Sur

    ...and that doesn't preclude the order being extended to 20 later on, much as what happens with many other series. Personally, I'd love 20, because even the filler eps are better than 99% of anything else that's on right now.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 1:59 p.m. CST

    Oh, and EAT ME METALWATER!

    by Abin Sur

    Sphincter says WHAT?

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 2:12 p.m. CST

    No problem with 13

    by Gorrister

    Lets just hope they are the same quality as the first 13 episodes.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 2:20 p.m. CST

    just as long as the science fiction genre has some..

    by Amy Chasing

    representative on TV - other than Stargate Atlantis (it seems Stargate has become the new Star Trek, ie. there's always a Stargate series on the air, no matter the quality). <P> Keep it up BSG & Doctor Who!

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 2:26 p.m. CST

    way down hill

    by dr_pepper

    I am not a film critic nor am I a fanboy. I simply watch what appeals to me. My wife and I have been watching this since the get go and this season (with the exception of a couple episodes) literally puts us to sleep. I can't put it into words - all i know is something is missing. After last night my wife has said she's no longer interested. As noted in previous posts - if it's 13 episodes then cut out the crap and get on with the story. Leave the statements on society and our treatments of other cultures to Star Trek DS9.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 2:31 p.m. CST

    Thirteen episodes is plenty...

    by Childe Roland

    ...to convey a good story arc. Here's hoping they have the sense to set up a fifth and final season that brings this whole series some much-deserved closure. Last thing in the world I want is an unfinished symophony.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 2:35 p.m. CST

    i've felt for years

    by aestheticity

    that scifi is dying. It seems strange to me to say it, but I don't see as many people as I used to interested in spaceships and lasers on TV, or on the big screen. I mean, where I live, there aren't ANY scifi shows broadcast on network television anymore. I remember when something like DS9 was on during primetime, now there isn't any in the schedules. I used to talk with friends at school about it. My nephew watches Stargate and nobody at his school knows anything about it to talk with. I just don't think scifi is going to be around on TV much longer. At least, not mature, real scifi. Childrens shows and Doctor Who seem to be about the strength of it now. BSG is probably the last thing of its kind we'll see, and you'd have to say given this truncated 4th season, it looks like the moneymen are eyeing it closely.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 2:39 p.m. CST

    yup, 13 is the way to go

    by SantiagoAtez

    After rewatching the first season last month, the quality between S01 and S02+03 is pretty big. I'd rather have 13 quality episodes than 13 quality episodes + trash.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 2:46 p.m. CST

    THIRTEEN !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    by jbs0209

    Oops. Sorry wrong talkback. Hey, where is the Rome talkback anyways?

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 2:57 p.m. CST

    They need 16 episodes

    by Itchy

    I disagree with the prevailing sentiment, apparently. I think "filler" is what makes a good series great. It isn't all about advancing the plot. "Filler" is how the characters are developed, making us more invested in what happens to them during the "plot" episodes. The "Filler" episodes were the best episodes ST:TNG had - and what made it one of the all time great sci-fi series. That being said, there is "good" filler and "bad" filler. Good is the boxing episode. Bad is the black market episode. Simple as that.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 2:58 p.m. CST

    13

    by ObiWanCon

    Well Season One had a good pace with 13 episodes Season 2 got tiresome at times and I'm struggling to get into Season 3 so maybe with just 13 episodes in Season 4 it might have a bit more punch to it.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 2:58 p.m. CST

    Haven't even bothered with

    by Volstaff

    this season since they changed to Sunday nights. The show had a lot of promise at the end of last season. Then they jumped back into space and it's just nmore of the same. The problem is the best episodes have pretty much been the ones that were "based" in some way on things that happened in the original series. When they've had to or tried to do something outside of that, they just seem to be flounderng. I'd like to see more sci fi and ideas and less melodrama at this point.I just don't care about the show any more. When The Apprentice ( god help me) is more appealing than a real show, then it's time to pull the plug.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 3:02 p.m. CST

    boxing episode

    by dr_pepper

    I didn't mind the boxing episode actually. As for filler - i enjoy some filler, but they need to break the filler up then. IMHO this season was the opener (which i was a little disappointed in) and then the eye of Jupiter that was drawn out over too many ep's for me. In summary - less filler or break it up so it's not too much fiber to swallow all at once.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 3:02 p.m. CST

    sci-fi is dying aestheticity?

    by danowen

    Surely it's just moving away from crews in spaceships at long last? I've been a big fan of Star Trek for years, but they should have stopped after DS9. SG-1 offered a slight difference to the norm, while BSG has focused on an adult theme, but the Trek-esque premise is overused right now. SF isn't dead on TV, it's just merging with traditional dramas, giving us stuff like Lost that appeals to geeks and regular viewers equally. That's a good thing, really.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 3:04 p.m. CST

    STARGATE

    by ObiWanCon

    We need Sci-Fi shows like Stargate because it's fun Sci-Fi adventure like the Original Star Trek and let's be honest BSG has the adventure and humour of a fucking CORPSE.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Ron Moore's slippin' into Star Trek mode

    by aboriginal

    said it himself that he prefers the character buidling episodes over the action. That's where ST the continuing series started to fail was that the character focus episodes never really had much to do with the bigger picture episodes. Killed The X-Files, killing Lost and now they're slowly (or quickly) killing BSG. Go out on the crest, bow to the wave and move on. I want to see a show end and leave me wanting more - or at least satisfied. Not like an SNL skit gone 5 mintues, where it should've ended in 3. Like this rant that should've stopped at . . ,

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 3:22 p.m. CST

    Wow

    by Lovecraftfan

    People really hate BSG. Interesting.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 3:26 p.m. CST

    I told you guys back in December that they were getting

    by snowpuff

    a half season reorder. So say I did. http://www.aintitcool.com/talkback_display/31089

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Anyway, it's gonna be a long hiatus for us fans

    by snowpuff

    Bummer.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 3:27 p.m. CST

    Last nights epsiode was dull

    by Thumper2k0

    The sense of danger completely disappeared. If they are going to do filler episodes. at least have it in involve some sort of cylon attack. I was expecting the trial and all I got was a very special Heilo episode. And the preview for next weeks doesn't look like it will have the trial either. Instead we're going to get a very special Chief Tyrol episode. It's not that I don't like these characters but when they take focus off the story, it's irritating.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 3:33 p.m. CST

    13 is not a bad idea.

    by mrfan

    I would have like to see 16. Eight followed by a break then the last eight. Still, I will take what I can get. I think this will help. Storylines will be a little tighter. Maybe there will be an occassional fill in episode but hopefully the writing will cover that good. Time to turn up the heat and do some gutsy moves with this series. The ending is a lot closer than you think. It will sneak up before you know it.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Not 20 episodes? Direct-to-DVD movie(s) the reason?

    by riskebiz

    Is it because of the Direct-to-DVD movie(s) they were wanting to make between season 3 and 4? Well, season 1 was 13 episodes … but season 2 and 3 were 20 episodes, so this seems like a vote of little confidence by Sci-Fi network. Still, season 4 is better than no season 4. I hope they give Ron Moore his season 5 to wrap up the series, though.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 3:37 p.m. CST

    when do we see a TRIAL of Baltar?

    by turketron

    I too was looking forward to "The Trial of Baltar" but we didn't get to see that.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 3:48 p.m. CST

    My first talkback and all I have to say is Frak Yes!

    by sfgeek

    FRAK YES!

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 3:50 p.m. CST

    sci fi's sweatin'

    by ahdvd

    The reason? They f**ked up! They had a PERFECT friday night line up with 3 consecutive hours of all new award inning sci fi, with stargate SG-1, Stargate Atlantis, and Batlestar Galactica. Then someone had the bright idea of splitting the two franchises apart, not realising that there were stargate fans who stayed in on fridays to watch SG1 and Atlantis who stayed on for BSG, and vice versa. So when their favourite of the shows was not on, they went and did something else, the result? A DRASTIC ratings drop for all series involved. Now sci-fi's cancelled SG-1 they cant walk back over that particular inferno of a bridge and are having to cut down expenses even more because advertising revenues are down, so you get a standard 'half' season order instead of a full season. The lesson sci-fi? LISTEN TO THE FANS! They predicted this LONG ago with the announcement of the three shows being seperated, they knew it wouldnt work, they screamed, they warned you, but did you listen..? No, and who suffers most? The Fans of course. God help you if you leave another goo sci-fi show incomplete with a cliffhanger at the end of it's last season. Oh, and NO! Peacekeeper wars does NOT make up for cancelling farscape, it was a shitty mini-series half-assed conclusion.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 3:52 p.m. CST

    if season 1 was 13 eps

    by aestheticity

    then i dont mind another 13 ep season. i cant remember it being 13 but we're talking 3 years ago now.<p><p>Scifi IS crew on ships in space. Lost isnt scifi - wheres the science fiction? if it works for you to say scifi is merging with other more accepted genres, great, but scifi itself is dying. heroes is not scifi. lost is not scifi. 24 has as much imaginary crud as those shows, but thats not scifi even though its got bombs and guns and an invincible main character. science fiction is ending. anyone into it gets it from videogames now i think. where there's no story, no character and you just shoot everyone.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 4:04 p.m. CST

    Amazing..

    by omon ra

    This is exactly what BSG needs. The important episodes were really suffering from the fillers and the writing was getting really bad fast. Can't wait for the next season!

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 4:09 p.m. CST

    season 1...

    by jimmy rabbitte

    *did* have 13 episodes; and looking back over the list you can see a well defined, well told story arc. There's nothing wrong with a 13 show season. However, I don't expect we'll have BSG around after a fifth season... that's of course *if* the show gets past a fourth season. The story has to really tighten up and the writers need to make every effort to use the 13 show season to their own advantage... any way they can. <p> ...atleast it wasn't cancelled

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 4:09 p.m. CST

    13 Episodes

    by thatdudewalter

    is enough, provided they are not of the Black Market or Woman King variety. Gods damn, that was a frakking waste of time last night!

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 4:11 p.m. CST

    I am Quite Happy with 13

    by OGREISHERE

    I would prefer 20 but I will take what I can get.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 4:13 p.m. CST

    Not much Sci-fi...

    by Billyeveryteen

    Iraqtica, love-battlestar-style, and next week, rescue-911-in-space. I need me some Vipers, and some 'sploshuns.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 4:15 p.m. CST

    13 Is Ok

    by NudeandAroused

    Gotta agree that last night's was amazingly average.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 4:17 p.m. CST

    A Fifth Season?

    by thatdudewalter

    I think it could happen, but the writers would have to start to lighten up the tone again. I am not suggesting that they bring in Boxey or run into Gungans, but return the series to its core theme of hope in spite of the despair of their situation. I like the darkness, but for frak's sake, sometimes it feels like I have to watch three hours of Looney Tunes to cheer myself up after each episode.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 4:29 p.m. CST

    13 episodes = summer season

    by Darth Bauser

    13 episodes is what Sci-Fi (and its sister channel, USA Network) normally order for a show that's only shown during the summer. That's why 13 is a good number to hear, because it means Sci-Fi isn't blaming Ron Moore for BSG's problems, they're blaming themselves for running the show during the regular fall/winter/spring season. If they make BSG a summer-only series, it will have less network competition, and probably get better ratings. USA Network went through the exact same thing years ago with "The Dead Zone". It's first season was a summer-only show; USA then tried a 20-episode winter/summer season (like Stargate SG-1 has) for the second season, and the ratings fell a lot. So USA went back to a shorter summer run, and the ratings leveled off enough to keep the show around. (It's *still* around.) Hopefully, that strategy will work with BSG, too.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 4:29 p.m. CST

    13 is fine

    by clockpolitiks

    Hopefully this will cause them to have less crappy filler episodes such as last night's.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 4:36 p.m. CST

    Also

    by Volstaff

    The comment about sci fi dying....I kind of agree but only because of the shows that are getting made. I think folks still love good, well written sci fi. But the way to go is not in continuing tired old franchises or "reimagining them ala BSG ( though I have loved the show up to this really boring season). It's just so ironic to me that sci fi is supposed to be all about ideas, and yet all sci fi on tv is just so fucking derivative and devoid of ideas.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 4:50 p.m. CST

    If it's 13 episodes I want one coherent 13-parter

    by FluffyUnbound

    Written by Moore and maybe one or two other guys. Sit down with a piece of paper, outline the whole season, and then just write it. No guest writers, no guest directors, no episode directed by Olmos, no guest stars for only one episode, no single-character-centric episodes, none of that crap. Identify where we are in the overall story, and then advance that story coherently as if it's one long miniseries. That's how to restore the quality of the show.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 4:53 p.m. CST

    EXO Squad Kicked Ass!!

    by skydemon

    I transferred every episode I recorded on VHS back in those days to DVD. I've got em all except for one; Yea that sucks! I hope they finally show up in season sets on DVD someday. 13 more for Galactica, OK, so like other talkbackers ahead of me have said, why not 20?

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 4:58 p.m. CST

    Volstaff

    by FluffyUnbound

    I think the problem may be that all the ideas in "real" [i.e. written] sci-fi no longer fit the bottle show mold. I have to admit that reading this year's Gardner Dozois anthology I suddenly felt really old. The sci-fi issues just aren't the same ones I had growing up. Even the Blade Runner stuff is gone now. Literary sci fi is getting weirder and the weirder it gets the harder it is for TV writers to steal from it.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 5:09 p.m. CST

    Jumping the shark moment

    by snowpuff

    I hate to say this, but when the characters were all hanging around that "sports bar" last night it had a jumping the shark feel.<br> <br> I mean, WHAT WERE THEY THINKING? Are they next going to have a "sagely alien" who tends bar and dispenses advice?<br> <br> Bad RDM, bad show runner!<br> <br> But I love the show anyway.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 5:40 p.m. CST

    ahdvd

    by ManosTHOF

    I agree. SciFi has killed the golden goose. As far as BSG itself, I believe the character defining episodes are important. The problem I see (and the difference with the various Star Trek series) is that BSG is a primetime show on a cable channel and not syndicated. Something like DS9, the more casual viewers could pick up the story arc on various affiliates around the dial, including re-runs of previous eps to catch up. Many people are like me; with BSG I fell behind in season 2, for example. I ended up catching up by waiting for the DVD release and buying it. Great for DVD sales, but situations like that hurt the immediate ratings. (Of course there's Bittorrent now, but not everyone is savvy enough for that) BSG has so much competition now and can't afford to lose people along the way but the timeslot change and the oddly planned midseason hiatuses make it tough to keep up with. I like the character driven episodes. TNG had so many great ones. But TNG was presold in syndication while BSG is on a ratings downturn. Sci-Fi will kill this show before we get to "finish the game", I'm afraid. Funny how SciFi were ready to do the Caprica spin-off and all that but shot themselves instead.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 5:41 p.m. CST

    Helo's actions...

    by CondomWrapper

    I understand that BSG was trying to make a point that genocide is wrong and hence Helo was right to stop the spread of the virus to the rest of the toasters, but for Christ's sake killing ALL the Cylons is a bit different than what Hitler did or what's going on now in Darfur. The Jews didn't murder billions of Germans and likewise with the victims in Darfur. Tens of billions of humans were likely killed in all 13 of the colonies and a reprisal by spreading a deadly virus is completely responsible and sane response. When the President questions whether future generations would judge them for their actions, I think most of them would think, "Well the cylons killed billions of humans and hunted the surivors down so this bological attack seems wise." Who wouldn't think that? I still find it odd that the cylons decided to abandon the 13 colonies to find Earth. Why the hell not do that in the first place? They wiped out most of the human race for nothing? I know the BSG creators in the early 3rd season wanted to create a somewhat awkward parallel with the Iraq occupation but it seems completely illogical for them to abandon the colonies to find Earth, let alone occupying New Caprica to "teach" the humans about the one true God (US imposing democracy on Iraq at gunpoint anyone?). Oh well, still a great show. Fuck you Helo you goddamn traitor boy scout piece of human shit. You don't desire Sharon, you deserve to be sodomized by Colonel Tai twice a day for seven years while eating human feces for (mal)nutrition until you die.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 5:45 p.m. CST

    13 Episodes Gotta Eat!!!

    by boba_rob

    I hope there are more, I love BSG!

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 5:51 p.m. CST

    you're the reason why there's no good sci-fi...

    by Russman

    Listen to you babies cry and complain about every little fracking thing.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 5:55 p.m. CST

    So many crybabies...

    by Leshrac

    My god, I've never seen so many complaints. This has been possibly the best season so far, save maybe the last episode. Even last night's episode was pretty good, but just didn't get to the Baltar trial, which is what everyone really wants to see. Instead, we got an episode which helps develop a character we don't get to see and learn much about, but that has had a huge impact on recent events. I wouldn't necessarily call that a wasted episode. Nearly every other episode this season has actually been advancing the plot or the ramifications of major plot elements. Hardly filler.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 6:16 p.m. CST

    Itchy...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...I just couldn't disagree with you more. First, well, sorry, but STNG wasn't really very good. Yes, they had endless character spotlight episodes, but when the plot for someone else's spotlight demanded that somone act totally out of character that sure never stopped them. And that is bad character development. Good characterization should be an organic part of good storytelling, taking place in the framework of an ongoing narrative. Like a novel. This doesn't mean you can't explore subplots, it doesn't even mean the subplots can't revolve around specific characters. But when you take a clear "time out" to devote an episode to a character, putting every other aspect of the show in the service of providing that spotlight, that's bad storytelling. It was STNG's signature trademark. Unfortunately BSG's been doing a little bit of it lately too.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 6:26 p.m. CST

    Leshrac

    by NudeandAroused

    Is completely right.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 6:30 p.m. CST

    LOST and BSG are similar

    by nopix

    People are complaining about BSG and a golden season one. LOST gets the same kind of cyring. But it's simply first season syndrome, meaning that everything is really good when it's new (take note Heroes lovers). What BSG did last night was really nice character development, like LOST does when they can't have a mythology download every episode.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 6:31 p.m. CST

    We are all big crybabies

    by snowpuff

    It's true. Even great filmmakers go from hit to flop and back. It's the nature of creativity and risk and the showrunners of BSG know it. So they openly try different things and VERY FORTUNATELY refuse to obey our complaints.<br> <br> So thanks RDM and David Eick. Even though many of us have complaints because we are (ironically) so attached to your show.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 6:33 p.m. CST

    Always thought that ST:TNG should have...

    by mrfan

    gone only six seasons. Didn't really care for the last season.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 6:35 p.m. CST

    filler episodes

    by redshirt

    Filler episodes do not belong in a show like this. The very concept for this show is one of the most straightforward and strongest in tv history. Humans on the run, fighting for their daily survival. Any deviation from the plotline only serves to make it appear that their situation isn't quite so dire. Sure, the boxing episode, by itself was pretty good. But against the backdrop of the bigger story, how irresponsible to be wasting time and risking serious injury to the best pilots. If the cylons attacked at that moment, starbuck would have been useless. Same goes for the incredible amount of drinking. Are our pilots stationed near Iraq or on our aircraft carriers getting wasted on their off hours, or are their operational readiness standards that must be maintained? Surely the writers can write a story that both advances the story, and fully develops a character.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 6:39 p.m. CST

    BSG season 4..

    by Amy Chasing

    will be fine as long as it's not rushed like B5 season 4. If BSG plan the remaining story arc with the remaining episodes, they could finish the BSG story perfectly within the timeframe - and then lead on into DVD movies. But it has to be handled right, and if they decide to take this path they shouldn't take on a season 5 if it gets offered. Learn from Babylon 5 - once you've told your story, an extra season doesn't help it (only the wallets of the cast & crew).

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 7:05 p.m. CST

    burn bright!

    by cantankerous

    This is a WAR series. We want WAR. Vipers spitting hot lead. Explosions. Cool and unique tactics like the first episode of season three. BSG, the series, should burn bright for a short time and then END. Keep the soap opera stuff to a bare minimum. Don’t waste our time with garbage filler episodes at 10:00 on Sunday frackin’ night! BTW, who are the geniuses who moved BSG to Sunday night? The same douche bags, no doubt, who said NO to picking up Firefly? I am (was) a big BSG fan but the suits at the SciFi channel are truly trying my patience. If they EVER do a dream episode where one of the characters relives past episodes, I swear to the gods I’ll pull the plug. BSG is on a short leash with me. It came out strong, out of the gate. Don’t fail me now!

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 7:19 p.m. CST

    Yeah, it's true. You need a cylon attack every so often

    by snowpuff

    I didn't agree with this sentiment in the past - I thought there was a good balance. But it's shifted to almost no viper versus raider action. Ya need a little of the ol' series now and then.<br> <br> Maybe that's coming up when Starbuck dies or "whatever." I sure hope it isn't something like a ship malfunction.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 7:31 p.m. CST

    If you look at it, there isn't much difference

    by Gorrister

    If you take Season Two and Season Three, remove all the crap 'filler' episodes, you'll probably be left with roughly 13 really good episodes. This shorter season order just means RDM and Company will have to leave out all the B.S. episodes.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 7:34 p.m. CST

    FUCKIN A!!!!!!!!!

    by Doc_Strange

    The BEST show on TV returns for yet another season. Cannot wait.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 7:36 p.m. CST

    season 3 of BSG is perhaps meant to be introspective..

    by Amy Chasing

    as I wrote in the other TB. because as Tigh said in the ads they played during The Resistance webisodes: "how can we face our enemy if we can't face ourselves".. or something like that. I reckon this season is meant to have more personal stories, and I think it's good the writers feel they can pace themselves, not have the fleet in a panic from the Cylons every week, and give this show time to breathe. There will still be big set-pieces, just not all special effects. Character & story revelations are more interesting and the BSG writers are thoughtful enough to make them happen amidst keeping a show going for many years.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 7:46 p.m. CST

    The best SciFi on TV is

    by CutAndPaste

    Stephen Colbert Presents Alpha Squad 7: The New Tek Jansen Adventures. And it's not even close.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 7:47 p.m. CST

    4 and 13 will do.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Good news on the fourth season and I think 13 eps will do nicely. Much like "Deadwood", a shorter season means you've got to trim the fat and make every episode count. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy the casual character development - last night's show was decent enough - but when you're left with too much wiggle room, you run the risk of losing your audience (i.e. LOST). I'd prefer to see BSG stay focused and roll on to a rockin' conclusion.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 7:56 p.m. CST

    Count me in on the 'would've preferred 20' crowd...

    by Pennsy

    to get a stronger syndication deal, but am happy with 13. They're in a lesser position of strength, ratings-wise, than Veronica Mars is.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 7:56 p.m. CST

    13 is not bad if 2 of them are extended

    by Razorback

    I am going to guess that we will have at least one if not two extended episodes.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 8:07 p.m. CST

    Here's a nice writeup...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...by Devin over at CHUD: http://tinyurl.com/yvdlnf

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 8:15 p.m. CST

    This is what Farscape was offered

    by FrodoFraggins

    Henson Company was offered 13 episodes for season 5 but Henson turned it down because they said they couldn't make a profit on just 13 episodes. Anyway, this is a sure sign that if BSG doesn't boost the ratings next season they aren't likely to get renewed. And unfortunately Scfi shows generally don't boost the ratings after having been on the air a few seasons.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 8:29 p.m. CST

    BSG has boosted its ratings since moving to Sunday, Fro

    by Razorback

    So, it kind of goes against that logic.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 9:02 p.m. CST

    ratings need to be much better

    by FrodoFraggins

    If the ratings weren't an issue they would have gotten more than 13 episodes. But based on the cancellation rumors 13 episodes is good news.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 9:17 p.m. CST

    What were the numbers for Woman King?

    by Gorrister

    We're only three episodes into the "Sunday Move", so I think it's premature to say "ratings have gone up". The first episode scored a lackluster 1.5. Now, the second episode DID raise to a 1.8, but that merely brings BSG back to the same level as the Season Three premire, which was widely reported as 'disappointing' ratings-wise. Unless 'Woman King' broke 2.0, I think saying that ratings are up is premature.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 9:21 p.m. CST

    cancellation rumours probably only came from these TBs

    by Amy Chasing

    unless anyone saw them anywhere else? But the feeling I get is fans here want the show to be top quality (which we know they can do) every week (which no one can do) - and so someone mentions "ratings can't be good from that ep", from which someone else says "ratings must be going down" and so on until our Chinese Whispers get to "the show is being cancelled". Of course, that's just speculation. ;)

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 9:46 p.m. CST

    the stupid bio warfare...

    by datachasm

    yea i thought that was weird, the Cylons nuked all the planets and killed probably 100 billion persons, then conducted breeding experiments, then they subjugated the remainder on New Caprica... making some disappear and others were tortured. and a episode gives an opportunity to strike back and infect their network and its all "we cant do it" and "its wrong"... lol i was like WTF was the point in any of it. its like TANTRIC STORYTELLING!!! then the whole season break when they made a huge deal out of nuking the planet, and in the first 2 minutes of the next episode they dont do it... pffft. elements of the show are good... but the bad outweigh the good and i think its time to bear down on it and end it or improve it. a short order of S04 might bring the show in line... or carry it limping across the syndication line.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 10:51 p.m. CST

    Here's the chance to recapture the magic of Year One...

    by NoHubris

    ...especially the space battles and menacing Cylons with no soap opera stuff.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 10:57 p.m. CST

    maybe 13

    by Jack9599

    will be the eyes opener for the writers to get krackin on quality episodes and yes it is catching on some "Lost" story telling.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 11 p.m. CST

    Super Secret Fake Insider info says 20 episodes

    by Razorback

    You heard it here first. :)

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 11:34 p.m. CST

    13 episodes will probably...

    by Hairy Nutsack

    ...be fine from a storytelling standpoint, I can completely agree with that, but unless RDM himself tells us he wanted to reduce the schedule to 13 episodes for whatever reason then I call bullshit on this and SciFi's lack of confidence in the show. I really have to wonder WTF kind of ratings they expect to get on cable anyway, goddam Hanna Montana and SpongeBob are kicking everything's asses on cable, they need to just fucking accept it and let RDM and Eick make BSG the way they want to.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 11:57 p.m. CST

    gotta say

    by jedimindflayer

    gotta say that 13 eps are better than none. lack of confidence would dictate a 20- or 24-ep order, just to be cut back to 13 shortly after the premiere. sound familiar, fox fans (cue ron howard narration here)? 13 may be life support, but it ain't dead.

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 12:12 a.m. CST

    We want WAR!

    by oisin5199

    Yeah, cause all the real wars out there are just too damn boring. What idiocy. If this show was just people shooting at each other and no actual character development, then it would be a frakkin' waste of time if you ask me. I can't imagine what people are complaining about. Almost every character moment on the show has come through extreme situations in a wartime setting. To see the crew having a drink together was actually a nice reprieve where we get to see them when they're not fighting. And even that scene was filled with aggression and tension. As for Helo's decision, it was just as much about saving Roslin and Adama from responsibility for genocide as it was about 'saving the cylons.' If you haven't been paying attention, this show is about saving humanity - not just bodies but souls. Which is why the last episode (and other episodes where humanity's morality is challenged) was so important. Get it!

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 12:12 a.m. CST

    13 is fine...

    by slapshot

    and probably what they should have done with 2 and 3. Never did understand why they went with the split 10 and 10 the last couple years. I would imagine season 5 will depend on how the rest of 3 and the start of 4 plays out; if the ratings improve, they'd be nuts to cancel it, if they don't there's still plenty of time to wrap things up, or at least set up a finale. The show started with a four hour miniseries, it'd make total sense to wrap it up with another four hour mini, following season 4.

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 1:43 a.m. CST

    13 episodes is typical for cable series...

    by Jim Jam Bongs

    The fact that BSG got 20 episode seasons for being a cable series is not the norm.

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 1:56 a.m. CST

    Yay Eureka...the best Sci fi show

    by arrangedletters

    Oh and BSG? 13 and out like a Tim Minear show.

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 2:48 a.m. CST

    How long will the series go on for?

    by 2Utah2

    I love BSG, but am curious to see if they have a definite or at least general plan on where they are taking things. With a show that has so much intensity and focus it would be horrible to see it lag and go on just for the sake of keeping the Sci-Fi Channel's ratings afloat.

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 2:57 a.m. CST

    The show really does need MORE aliens, MORE fights

    by Triumph poops!

    I like BSG, but its definitely gotten LOST syndrome and is meandering too much, a problem that sunk much of Season 2. I thought Season 1 was great... Season 2 so-so till the Pegasus arc revived things... and then Season 3 started strong, but now things have gotten boring again. Seriously, last week's episode with Helo and the doctor poisoning people felt like filler material FOR filler material. It was THAT bad. My problem with BSG is that it's quickly reaching that "must see" tipping point where you think back on how great it was when it started, but then you find yourself counting on your fingers and saying "Wait a minute. It's been on THIS long and yet I can only count THIS many really great episodes or can only really recall THIS many really cool story moments."<p>Personally, I agree with those who say they need to run into more alien races in space or more conflicts and fights. Frankly I'm quickly reaching the point where I don't care, I'm almost at the point of saying "Just let me know when the series finale is on so I can see how they decided to wrap things up." Sorry, but this recent Helo episode -- much like the boxing episode -- fall into the category of "Man, I'd really like that hour of my life back."<p>So as far as Sci Fi only ordering 13 episodes for Season 4, I hope that really does serve as a major kick in the ass for the BSG creative team to reassess what they need to do to get back on track. Because when BSG is on target, it kicks all kinds of ass and really is one of the best shows on TV bar none. But when they do truly lame filler episodes like the Helo one, man, BSG really can suck ass right alongside the absolute worst TV that's on as well. Which is really a shame since you want to believe that Ron Moore and team can do so much better even if it is an off day...

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 3:18 a.m. CST

    They could find earth, and still extend the series...

    by Jim Jam Bongs

    Consider this: They find Earth in a season finale. But the show gets renewed for another season. So they take the idea from Galactica 1980: Earth's civilizations are too primitive to fight against the Cylons, so the fleet stays away for the time being. For this version of Galactica, I think the time period of Earth should be way back in its past -- like the 17th century or some other time period that far back. Thus, this could explain why the technology, fashion style, and form of government of the Colonies is similar to that of modern-day civilizations on Earth: We got these things from the Galacticans.

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 3:19 a.m. CST

    Does this mean the season 4 boxed set will be cheaper?

    by Lemming

    I'm just asking..

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 3:21 a.m. CST

    Also I agree about needing more fights..

    by Lemming

    Although I love the show, I can't see sci-fi footing the bill for more series unless those Viper pilots actually start flying Vipers.

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 6:31 a.m. CST

    The thing that stood out about this EP for me..

    by Lemming

    ..was that you could see all the pilots (including Kara and Lee) finally acting like the buddies they are in the Original Series. This episode tied up Helo's loose end of being distrusted by his superiors, so finally everyone isn't so frakking miserable for a change...except Baltar, obviously.

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 7:38 a.m. CST

    If only 24 would follow suit

    by CarefulBen

    I'm sure we can all agree watching Lost is like watching old people fuck (frustratingly slow, but still good fun) But 24 suffers even more from it's massive series length. 13 just doesn't work - unless they get zombie terrorists. Hope BSG series 4 gets confirmed soon - where does this leave the movie?

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 8:53 a.m. CST

    "24 suffers even more from it's massive series length"

    by Triumph poops!

    Hey, I like BSG as much as the next geek and to that end, sure, I'd love to see it get a full Season 4 commitment ASSUMING Ron Moore and company actually have worthwhile stories left to tell versus any more "Helo saves the sick" type episodes that are below tolerable filler level.<p>Honestly, let's get real here. BSG and LOST are both treading water at this point and showing bad signs of creative meandering and thus both are in danger of losing some serious steam. Meanwhile the Jack Bauer Power Hour is the BEST show on TV and still kicking ass and taking no prisoners episode after episode -- and what makes that all the more impressive is that 24 is on its SIXTH full season.<p>In short: BSG could really learn a thing or two about driving story narrative and keeping the viewers happy by stealing a few pages FROM the 24 handbook.

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 8:59 a.m. CST

    Who is the hidden Cyclon

    by jtp8000

    The article says one of the major characters is a Cylon Adama- No. Not unless Lee is also Tigh- He's known Adama for a long time. Chances are it's someone who is younger and has little family history. Which leaves Gaeta- Possible since we know Cylons swing both ways but the Cylons want Baltar alive and he wanted to kill him- too obvious Helo- Judging from the setup scenes early on Caprica, the Cylons needed a human to impregnate Sharon. Dualla- That's one way of getting rid of her. Possible. Roslin- Wouldn't have been so for the virus Tyrol and Cally- One of these is a real possibility. We have the female of the new species (Hera) and their son. My money is on Cally (aka Jack Ruby). She got rid of the competition and moved in on Tyrol and got knocked up.

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 9:47 a.m. CST

    Learn from 24??

    by Billyeveryteen

    You mean abandon logic, and kill every supporting character?

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 9:53 a.m. CST

    13 Eps = Summer Season = ...

    by Abin Sur

    No new Galactica until Summer 2008?? I can't imagine they could go into production fast enough to start season 4 THIS summer. When would they start airing the new season?

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 10:25 a.m. CST

    Next season should be in High Definition...

    by Abin Sur

    For those of you on Directv, once they turn on the satellite that they launched a couple of months ago, there are going to be about 100 more high definition channels available, including SciFi. I don't think it will be operational before the season's end, but should definitely be up for the next season. Also, any of you wanting to see the Atmo-FTL manuever in HD should watch the Universal HD channel this weekend - Exodus Pt. 2 is airing.

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 11:46 a.m. CST

    Season 4 of BSG

    by jimmy rabbitte

    ...is currently scheduled to begin airing next January... <p> They're bringing it back, but they're pulling a Soprano's style hiatus on us...<p> I feel a little used. Season 3 ends in March, and we're supposed to provide months of free buzz until the show returns. Not to mention the cash we'll be expected to shell out for the DVD's; which they'll probably split into separate half-season sets, AGAIN. <p> ...anyway... atleast they didn't cancel it. Now if they could just find a timeslot everybody can agree on...

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 11:56 a.m. CST

    24 is no different than BSG and Lost

    by _Maltheus_

    Each show is suffering through its worst season. I consider the eps dealing with the New Caprica escape to be an anomoly. 24 has never been more absurd and it's a model that's impossible to keep fresh. Lost is on the verge of being irredeemable. BSG needs a reboot that it can stick to. Something to fundamentally alter the tempo of the show. It needs to feel like they are in the situation that they are in. The back story is almost irrelevant at this point or at least, I never get the sense of it.

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 12:24 p.m. CST

    The Cylon

    by jt99jt

    The question at hand is who is the hidden cylon.. Well we have to think of the facts that we have at hand, which eliminate most of the cast.. It has to be someone who isn't known to be someones kid or has had a kid of their own. So the Tyrol family and Adama family are already out. It has to be someone to whom Deanna Biers felt she needed to apologize too personally.. So that takes most of everyone else out.. She owes an apology to Anders (my first choice) and she owes one possibly to Tigh for ambushing him in the interview in season two. You could also throw Balter in there, although they were on good terms when they parted ways at the end.. None of those three have kids, nor have we seen their parents. (As we know the Cylons tried forever unsuccessfully to have kids before) My choice is Anders as he isn't as likely a choice as others. I think this show likes to be unpredictable. Plus it might have something to do with what happens to Starbuck later on in this season. JT

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 1 p.m. CST

    i cant belive what i'm reading!

    by ahdvd

    I cant believe all these peoiple saying that this season has had terrible episodes, and that this week's was the worst? This week's was one of the best. You're all losing sightthat this show is settled around the supposed last remaining people fleeing from an enemy that has almost made them extinct through mass genocide! You're saying that things would be hunky-dory after 4 years of that? FRACK NO! people would be tearing at each other's throats, hell yeah i like me a little space battles every now and again, but i LOVES me some moral dillema's and some good well written dramatic elements. Why is it that people who are interested in writing are the only ones who apreciate good writing, and the rest of you WHO IT'S FRACKING WRITTEN TO PLEASE moan and whine like a little bitch when it get's too mch above 'caveman level' tv for you?!

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 1:18 p.m. CST

    Back In January means....

    by arrangedletters

    9 months of the god awful song they use in the commercials..."when darkness turns to light it ends to-" BLAM! Seriously it makes the Enterprise theme sound good.

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 1:39 p.m. CST

    the hidden Cylon

    by faelon

    The Cylon does not need to necesarily need to be a current living cast member. I keep thinking on D'anna's "I'm sorry", and who she really worked over. Starbuck, Tigh, etc. We are pretty sure it's not Starbuck. Tigh himself just makes no sense... but what about Ellen? His wife? How much of a mind Frak would THAT be for him? She did just appear out of nowhere mysteriously, and start manipulating things.

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 1:46 p.m. CST

    The point is ahdvd...

    by _Maltheus_

    ...is precisely that things wouldn't be "hunky-dory" after all they've been through, yet they act like everyday Americans. They're engaged in plots that could occur on any show. The writing is bad in that sense, cause they have a whole new universe of ideas and challenges to deal with and they're busting our balls with this Ricky Lake bullshit. Now more battles is not the answer, cause quite frankly BSG battles are fairly boring. But instead of dealing with yet another "let's explore some general issue" episode, they could have plots regarding Cylon motives, or finding Earth, or even finding some more remnants of humanity or something. Come up with a story that ties into the greater story and I'd want to watch that. Love triangles??? Whatever. I'd rather stories that make me wonder what's coming next. The only wonder we have now is who did D'Anna see when she died. That's icing without the cake and I want more. Even the Cylons seem like boring everyday Americans and they're freakin' machines. What's the point of working in scifi if Moore just wants to do plain, everyday stories? They're on a spaceship, for crying out loud, with sentient attack machines chasing them. Why not deal with that angle of the story for what it is? Why the need for filler eps at all?

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 3:20 p.m. CST

    Faelon

    by Leshrac

    Why not Starbuck? While it almost seems too obvious at this point with all of the foreshadowing, perhaps obvious is actually correct in this case. Lots of other options don't make as much sense, and wouldn't really be as big a deal as the producers are making it out to be. (For instance, Ellen Tigh? Who cares... already suspected and wasn't that likable anyway.)

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 4:04 p.m. CST

    This episode wasn't terrible, BUT

    by FluffyUnbound

    ...it shouldn't have been its own episode. Think how much better the season would have been if all of these stand-alone filler episodes had their plotlines extracted and played out as subplots across a line of episodes. It's just too jarring to switch back and forth from arcs to standalones. This week's episode SHOULD have started the trial of Baltar, but instead it's an hour long Helo fest. Tell this story as five minutes out of 5 episodes instead of soaking up a full episode by itself; have Helo getting suspicious, a Sagitarron dying here and there, throw in some red herrings about what's causing it, resolve it in the middle of some OTHER crisis where the crew is distracted and it seems legit that Helo would be all on his own. You know what I mean?

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 4:24 p.m. CST

    Pass the kool-aid

    by mlsmithjr

    First, moving to Sunday at 10 was "good", now S4 for 13 is "good", or "not that bad." BWAHAHAHAHAH. Damn people. Spinning your own reality a little thick aren't you? This has been a wasted season. Do you honestly think by distilling it down to 13 that Moore will cut out the bullshit episodes and just focus on moving the arc? You know he will not, because (a) he has no arc - he's making it up as he goes, and (b) he can't help but get self-righteous and edit the hell out of an otherwise ok episode. With any luck the ratings will be a wakeup call and they'll stop dicking around with angst and lust and add back a little sci-fi.

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 4:26 p.m. CST

    Agreed, FluffyUnbound

    by NoHubris

    Also, they could have juxtaposed Helo helping the Sagitarrons to survive with In-Head Baltar helping Caprica to survive(a)captivity on Galactica, (b)an interrogation or (c) some other type of confrontation, along with a reference to Shelly Godfrey. Instead, we only to see her being monitored (although I did like the arrival of In-Head Baltar. It's about time.)

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 4:26 p.m. CST

    AHDVD: right on man...

    by SG7

    ...I liked this weeks ep. Oh noes! no SPACE BATTLES. So the fuck what. You guys want 24/7 FX shots? Get a fucking 360 and play Gears of War all day long. People say "THIS IS WAR." Did you 'tards not WATCH the first season and he pilot? The WAR IS OVER retards. The humans LOST. That, BTW, is one of the main points of the series. I think those of you expecting some big climatic space battle where the "good guys" win will be sorely disappoitned because that is the lazy way out. But, if RDM listens to all you pussys that's what you'll get: lazy storytelling with lazy writing and A-Team action. Oh boy, you might as well watch Mansquito.

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 4:28 p.m. CST

    meant to say "we only GET to see her being monitored"

    by NoHubris

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Back in January also means...

    by NoHubris

    ...David Eick gets time to focus on BIONIC WOMAN without having to worry about BSG.

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 5:05 p.m. CST

    13 eps won't make a difference cause of this quote:

    by _Maltheus_

    <p>Ron and I to continue using this great genre to investigate the darker corners of society, politics and humanity," executive producer David Eick said.</p> <p>In other words, to them, this show is about the filler. It's more likely they'll trim the exciting eps from the 13 run and leave in crap like this last ep.</p>

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 5:39 p.m. CST

    THIRTEEN !!! episodes to find Earth

    by jbs0209

    I predict that Galactica will find Earth in the 13th episode and will be greeted by Titus Pullo riding on a giant Eagle to the stars.

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 6:05 p.m. CST

    13 or at least 13???

    by jccalhoun

    I've seen another source which says that Battlestar was renewed for "at least 13 episodes" and not just 13. Any confirmation?

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 7:07 p.m. CST

    Maltheus

    by FluffyUnbound

    To me that quote is much more applicable to the Iraqtica arc, or to the Kobol's Last Gleaming to Home Part II arc. The political and sociological arcs are the best ones. "Does Kara wuv Lee" is not an investigation of the darker corners of society, politics and humanity, so I don't think that the quote is referring to that crap.

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 9:23 p.m. CST

    The hidden cylon is not going to be a mild surprise

    by snowpuff

    RDM and Eick are going to punch us in the face as usual, as they did in season 2 with the nuke and the occupation, as they did at the end of the mini with Boomer being a cylon.<br> <br> The reveal is going to be BIG. So think Lee, Laura, Tigh or maybe even the old man Adama himself.<br> <br> You heard it here. Not small. Big, big, mother fraking big reveal on the hidden cylon.<br> <br> These guys don't get caught holding a pair of kings when you think they're bluffing - you call their bluff and it's the one time they have a full house.<br> <br> Big, big surprise and then the long nine months to see how the frak they deal with whatever insanely bold revelation they come up with.

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 9:57 p.m. CST

    "The WAR IS OVER retards. The humans LOST"... uh, NO.

    by Triumph poops!

    Sorry, SG7, but your not even close to being right. The show is clearly framed against the backdrop of a military chess game which is STILL ongoing. The war is far from over for these people. That was certainly evidenced by last season's finale where the Cylons capture the human population versus the start of this season where Adama says "Fuck you!" and rescues them all. Besides, if your argument were actually the case, then why should we give two shits and watch the show any longer?<p>Which actually brings us to a far larger question to debate. Namely why should we want to watch LOSERS week after week? You know, back in the Seventies when BSG:TOS was cancelled after its one and only season, SciFi writer David Gerrold made a solid point in an interview. When asked why he thought the show had failed, why it hadn't succeeded like STAR WARS or STAR TREK, he summed it up by essentially saying "STAR TREK was about people doing something pro-active. Kirk and crew are being brave and going out to be explorers, which is a human spirit we can all admire. STAR WARS is about a bunch of rebels saying "Hell no!" and fighting back against an evil Empire to restore freedom to a galaxy, a fighting spirit we can also admire. But when it comes to GALACTICA who the hell wants to watch a show about people RUNNING AWAY like a dog with his tail between his legs? People like to root for heroes, not cowards. It's one thing to fight and lose a particular battle...it's one thing to retreat and regroup for the next battle...but the problem with GALACTICA is that week after week the show is about people running away as fast as they can and never taking a stand. And frankly there's nothing heroic or appealing in that to the average TV viewer."<p>And you know what? Gerrold was right. So if the war really IS over and the humans lost completely with NO chance for them to stage a comeback victory, then turn the lights off on this sucker and pull the plug. Because if they're NOT going to brave the odds to win, who gives a shit? Well, I suppose those clowns who think losing is more "real" and more "dramatic" and "honest" and thus makes for a better hour spent in front of the TV. In which case you must be the sorriest, whiniest bunch of bitches to be around. If that's your attitude, just be glad its only a show and you're not on the ship. Adama would kick your sorry spineless "Oh, we can't win, it's all over" asses out an airlock in a heartbeat!

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 10:58 p.m. CST

    spinning the numbers?

    by oisin5199

    from scifi.com: Since moving, Battlestar Galactica's audience has grown over its third-season average by 8 percent in total viewers, by double digits in female viewers, by 19 percent in the show's target demographic of adults aged 18-49 and by 14 percent in adults 25-54. The Jan. 28 episode, "Taking a Break From All Your Worries," delivered 2.5 million total viewers and 1.6 million adults 18-49, the largest audience for any episode since the season-two premiere. So if this is to be believed, BSG is actually doing better than it has in a while. EAT it, metalwater (note: metalwater is now just the generic name for asshat trollers who complain about BSG 'jumping the shark,' 'doomed to cancellation,' 'needs more space battles,' etc. )

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 11:05 p.m. CST

    Word up, oisin5199

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Word up, indeed.

  • Feb. 14, 2007, 12:21 a.m. CST

    Nothing wrong with wanting more "space battles"...

    by NoHubris

    ...(or even Atmo-FTL maneuvers)on a sci-fi galactic epic about a battlestar(s)and a war for humanity's survival against an enemy armed with enemy Basestars and Raiders.<P>Complaints about BSG 'jumping the shark' or being 'doomed to cancellation' are another thing entirely IMHO because both are just plain untrue.

  • Feb. 14, 2007, 8:36 a.m. CST

    Possibly 22 episodes??

    by Abin Sur

    I don't know if anyone is still reading this TB, but on the "Ask Ausiello" TV Guide segment that came out this morning, he responded to a question with the following - AUSIELLO: "The exact number of episodes is apparently in flux. It has not been decided whether it will be 13 episodes or 22," BSG producer David Weddle told SyFy Portal. "We should have a decision on that soon." That would explain why Sci Fi, in its official pickup announcement, said BSG had been renewed for a "minimum" of 13 episodes.

  • Feb. 14, 2007, 10:32 a.m. CST

    It's getting boring and falling into the enterprise tra

    by Mr_X

    one or two excellent episodes do not make a season. do not jump the shark. we ant the horrors of war. and instead of a pegasus dvd, add it intot hte regular stry.. c'mon the fans deserve it!

  • Feb. 14, 2007, 10:54 a.m. CST

    I hope they figure that out pretty fast, Sur...

    by Childe Roland

    ...because a shift from a thirteen to twenty-two episode flight plan too late in the game will result in a lot of filler episodes, which I don't think any of us want to see.

  • Feb. 14, 2007, 2:14 p.m. CST

    appeasing the cast and producers?

    by lynxpro

    Perhaps Olmos wanted time to work on other projects. Has anyone else thought this might be a possibility? Or perhaps the season has been shorted so RDM's partner can work on *The Bionic Woman* reboot on NBC proper.

  • Feb. 14, 2007, 3:03 p.m. CST

    lynxpro, the Sopranos-like haitus

    by NoHubris

    the SOPRANOS-like hiatus has to be about BIONIC WOMAN (BW) - I brought this up yesterday too BTW. The only thing is BSG may have a very loyal following (including this fan), but not a Tony Soprano-sized following.<P>If the long break is because of BW, then TPTB should just let Moore be the main showrunner until David Eick resurfaces from his BW duties.

  • Feb. 14, 2007, 8:43 p.m. CST

    faelon

    by jedimindflayer

    dude, that's solid! it works within the framework of the little 'hints' we've been given, plus who HASN'T thought chicky tigh was a cylon when she popped into the storyline. i have to admit- it's certainly left-field enough

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