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Will We Be Watching WATCHMEN In 2008?!

Hey, everyone. ”Moriarty” here. That’s certainly how it seems based on the comments Zack “Three Machine Gun Dick” Snyder has been making at press events lately. Some of this we’ve heard before, but a lot of it is news. Check this out:

Hey guys, Sending word your way about an article I ran with quotes from Zack Snyder at the press event I was at over the weekend talking about updates on Watchmen. Lots of good details on the project that sounds like it’s coming along pretty well! - Alex FirstShowing.net
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  • Feb. 12, 2007, 7:47 a.m. CST

    No

    by kingoflight

    i wont

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 8:01 a.m. CST

    KHAAAAANNNNNNNN!!!!!!!

    by chrth

    This is going to suck, and suck hard. I don't care if Spielberg is doing it as a 12-hour miniseries on pay-per-view, this work is unfilmable.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 7:51 a.m. CST

    I'll wait forever

    by isispop

    I don't know if this'll ever get off the ground...but if it ever does I will be first in line.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 8:04 a.m. CST

    I've gotta see them pull this off.

    by Doctor_Sin

    It's almost like an obsession now. Having not read any script or anything, I can only fret that they haven't raped the property.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 8:05 a.m. CST

    They've been saying this shit for nearly decades now.

    by BrandonGK

    Does anyone honestly believe we'll ever see a Watchmen movie? Come on it'll be in development hell until the sun burns out.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 7:54 a.m. CST

    chrth

    by phanboi

    Unfilmable? Why? Explain yourself. I could imagine it as an HBO series quite well.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 8:12 a.m. CST

    "We can't go to Mars ... I just don't have the money"

    by triplefive

    that's funny. and having just watched the opus that is Fantastic Four, I'm glad he singled it out as what his movies are NOT going to be. good for him.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 8:01 a.m. CST

    All the "unfilmable" talk means WATCHMEN should be made

    by SpyGuy

    The only real way for WATCHMEN to have any lasting legacy beyond comic book fans is to get a movie made. It's sad, but true, so let's get it made and try to not fuck it up too badly. By the sounds of things, it sounds like Zach Snyder might actually have a decent grasp of the material but needs to keep the suits at bay long enough to keep them from casting Eddie Murphy as Rorshach or Danny DeVito as Ozymandias.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 8:02 a.m. CST

    I have three dick machine gun

    by Franklin T Marmoset

    Fucking thing never shoots straight, and I am uncomfortable holding it.<p>P.S. It would be nice to see this Watchmen materialise at some point. It's hard to imagine they could do the comic justice, but it's good to see things falling into place for this one.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 8:07 a.m. CST

    We didn't have the technology decades ago...

    by kingrobot

    We do now. It would have been a special effects nightmare to do something like Rorschach's mask 10 or 15 years ago. Today it would be pretty easy...the most difficult part of the Watchmen was, and always will be, writing a script that keeps both the fanboys and financial backers / studios happy. Fanboys will never be happy anyway...

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 8:24 a.m. CST

    phanboi: why it can't be successful off paper

    by chrth

    Watchmen is too tightly bound to its source material. There is too much happening on the page that someone watching a movie can catch; you have to stop and look to get it all. Heck, there's still stuff I catch that I never caught before the previous 10 or so times I've read it. Because you can't pause a film at each frame, one of two things will happen: one, it'll be excised, or two, it'll be made blatantly obvious.<p> Now, can you distill its base elements and make a workable movie out of it? Probably. But the appeal of Watchmen is in its sum, not its parts. It might be a good movie -- heck, it might be a great movie -- but it won't be Watchmen.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 8:30 a.m. CST

    Spoilers Here In

    by Virtual Satyr

    One thing they must have...is the "alien". 9/11 proved that nothing, save for an alienin invasion, would bring about Ozymandias' goals.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 8:44 a.m. CST

    It always makes me laugh...

    by stones_throw

    ...when people say Watchmen can't be filmed because the comic itself is so cinematic. Zack Snyder's version should be worth seeing if only because it'll look just like the book.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 8:45 a.m. CST

    watchmen is filmable...

    by scarfinati

    Any story is. Sure it will condensed, but the seed of the idea is: who watches the watchmen. And as long as that theme comes across, then the filmmakers will have been successful.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 9:21 a.m. CST

    $100 this never happens..any takers?

    by zekmoe

    I didn't think so. Too complex a story, too hard to follow on screen.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 9:22 a.m. CST

    sigh

    by lionbiu

    is this really going to be made now? really? really? are you sure? OK! I am interested to see what he does, but I doubt it will be anything on par with Taxi Driver, maybe a darker version of The Incredibles at best (which would be pretty cool).

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 9:23 a.m. CST

    BTW, on "Who Watches the Watchmen"

    by chrth

    There's really two meanings for that phrase. On the one hand, it's about 'who defends us from our defenders' (the meaning of Juvenal's usage) but on the other, it also means 'who protects the protectors' (a literal translation of the phrase). I find it interesting that in republican (note: not the political party) society the former gets all the attention.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 9:39 a.m. CST

    that because...

    by scarfinati

    most of your abuses will come from the people in power. plus its a more universal theme -- its about us. its not as interesting to care about who protects the protectors...hey they signed up for the job.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 9:40 a.m. CST

    Whoa!

    by Montag666

    I have always been one of the people to say "don't do it!", and I do believe that due to its episodic nature, this would be better off as a 12 hour miniseries. However, after reading this interview, I think I might just have hope for this. The fact that he wants the film to take place in 1985 is great. But what won me over is the "More Taxi Driver than Fantastic Four". I think that is the right attitude for this project. Please, do not give Silk Spectre special powers!

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 9:53 a.m. CST

    More like Taxi Driver than Fantastic Four!

    by KINOBICK

    Well i'm sold.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Well

    by QuinnTheEskimo

    It will probably have some major major MAJOR fucking changes, but that doesn't meanit won't be a good movie, and that's my first concern. I'd rather have him make changes and make a great fucking movie then try and stick right to the book and make a big pile of shit.<p>Please note that I'm not calling the book a big pile of shit. I love Watchmen as much as anyone.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 9:59 a.m. CST

    scarfinati: I think it's a little bit more than that

    by chrth

    I think there's an underlying current of derision towards protectors in Western society. It's like we can't stand the fact we're reliant on someone for our survival/protection. Sure, we can couch it in terms of not wanting someone to get too much power, but I think deep down we're resentful we have to surrender power to anyone at all. Thus we project 'fascist' tendencies on cops or we kick out politicians after they win a war (a theme Churchill naturally revisits time and time again in his History of the English Speaking Peoples) or we put superheroes on trial. We resent them for saving us.<p> The fascinating thing is that this isn't a new phenomenom. It goes back centuries. It's like, Washington so stunned the world when he resigned his commission in 1783 that society expects everyone to follow his example or risk condemnation.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 10:04 a.m. CST

    Best Fan-Made Watchmen Video...Ever.

    by thelivingdoll

    http://tinyurl.com/22hg5u

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 10:05 a.m. CST

    chrth: mostly agree...

    by scarfinati

    although i still think the major distinction is that a cop (protector) chooses to be a cop and so any danger that he/she finds is their own fault, so to speak. But when we ask who defends US from defenders, we -- as you pointed out -- are not comfortable with authority to begin with so we take care that we are not a victim of abuse of power. To me thats always been the greatness of watchmen. who polices the police, when the police are morally grey to begin with.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 10:09 a.m. CST

    And why it's a republican society idea

    by chrth

    Before the 1600/1700s, it was generally accepted that people were born into their place in society, a society that was many-layered, starting at the bottom with slaves and moving up to the monarch (not quite a Caste System, as mobility was possible, but close). In such a society the protectors - whether military or political - were believed to be so by nature/divine right. While some could (and did) resent Marlborough for his success, it was limited to competitors within his own class that were motivated more from jealousy or ambition rather than pouting resentment.<p> The writings and the revolutions of the 18th century, however, destroyed that in the West. By 1790 it was, as John Adams said, just Freemen and Slaves (it's amazing how fast indentured servitude disappeared in America after the war was over), and then within a few more decades, even that separation was removed. So everyone is equal except by their talents. The protectors are braver or more powerful or whatever, and I think that's a different distinction to handle than, say, something based on intelligence. I don't resent Physics professors because I understand that they obviously possess a skill set (both in intelligence and in personality) that I do not. But when the only difference between you and your protector is their level of commitment, it's easy to see why jealousy and derision would form.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 10:13 a.m. CST

    I dont know...

    by scarfinati

    it doesnt need to be that complicated. Man has a tendency to when given power to abuse it. To me its a matter of morality. If superman can save a man who is a child pedophile from getting hit by a bus? Certainly whatever supes does their will be outrage on both sides. So at what point does the power of the police need to be supervised? And who decides that? Oz is the prime example...

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 10:17 a.m. CST

    Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?

    by Err

    Flames on Rorschach = Nipples on The Comedian

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 10:19 a.m. CST

    You know, chrth, I think you're right...

    by Childe Roland

    ...in that the movie of this material will not be The Watchmen you know from having read and re-read the comics with great attention to detail and the luxury of time to linger on every page. And I think that's a good thing. I don't want movies to replace the source material. They're interpretations and, as a general rule, I'm interested in seeing them. Plus, a movie like htis -- if done right (and I have every reason to believe, based on what we've read, that Snyder's doing it right) -- can actually enhance your experience of the original source material by giving you the opportunity to talk about it with the many who will see the film but have never read the books. You can't tell me you don't live for opportunities like that (because I've read your posts about the Rings books vs. movies and you really do reveal your glee). So relax. I loved Moore's original comics more than just about anything I've ever read (Tolkien's books included, and those are very dear to me), but I'm looking forward to taking in a well-done visual interpretation of this story just as much, if not more, than I did the Rings movies. There's definitely room in the universe. You just need to make room in your heart and mind.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Childe Roland: Oh, don't get me wrong

    by chrth

    I'm really hoping that they do a good job. It's just I'm still bitter about Planet of the Apes, and I know when they screw something up like that, you're going to have to wait decades to get another shot at it.<p> Plus I'm feeling snarky this morning. I'll give Zach the benefit of the doubt.<p> For now.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 10:27 a.m. CST

    YES - I like what I hear so far.

    by talkbackgeek

    I like Snyder's talk so far: 1985 - yes! Cold War - Yes! Taxi Driver - Yes! he's hitting everything on the nose, and seems to be making right choices. I was worried he was going greenscreen on this one (beautiful for 300 but The Watchmen is a different animal). Studio suits should give the man his budget and stay the hell away. Good luck Zack, make a good one.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 10:44 a.m. CST

    In 2008, we will still see Harry ride that pole

    by Doctor_Sin

    Cast Harry in the Watchmen movie. It is a must.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 10:50 a.m. CST

    "Man has a tendency to when given power to abuse it."

    by chrth

    I agree but disagree. Yes, we suck (as I said in the BSG talkback last night). But at the same time, I think it's more of an 'if I were in power, I'd abuse it' projection rather than an actual fear of it being abused.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 11:37 a.m. CST

    Nothing is unfilmable, certainly not this

    by Gwai Lo

    When I think unfilmable, I think that Terrence Malick project where the basic concept was a slumbering underwater fish god that dreams the creation of the universe. If he ever gets off his ass and makes it I'll be first in line, but I can't imagine the movie ever possibly being made. I think an excellent Watchmen movie can be made. Kubrick would have been the perfect director to tackle it, but that's obviously out of the question. I just haven't seen enough from Snyder to decide whether he's mature enough to handle this, but I've been keeping up with the news on this movie and he keeps saying all the right things. I think the book can be distilled into a film. When people say that the book is too nuanced and instrinsically part of the comics medium to be duplicated on the screen, I think they miss out on the fact that it could be translated into cinematic language. Watchmen can be the same thing to cinema that it is to comics. Movies can be finely textured. That's why Kubrick is a good example, you can see the layers in the films he makes and how dense all the subtext is even when he's presenting a fairly straightforward story. Children of Men is a recent example of this, it would probably take 20+ viewings to pick up on all the little details in every scene that contribute to this grand fully realized vision. Someone needs to sit down with the book, swallow their geek love and tear out every unfeasible page. You'd be left with a four hour movie if it was tightly paced. Trim an hour out of there and put it back for the DVD. That's plenty of time to tell the story. Yeah, the "12 part miniseries on HBO" would be nice and all, but it will never happen and budget constraints would probably kill it. The long written out intervals between chapters, the pirate stuff, the newsstand; all of it can be written right out, or replaced with little films within the film, to replicate what the comic was doing. The Watchmen in my head is edited to mimic the dense, 9 equal panel per page style of the book; cuts that are syncopated with a really progressive soundtrack (think Michael Nyman's Zed and Two Noughts soundtrack or Phillip Glass) that kind of hurtles the movie forward through all the important beats. I recently started reading both of the Watchmen scripts (Hayter and Tse) and right off the bat you have the Comedian and the spoiler free badguy chatting it up and and wasting time before the Comedian takes his dive. Start the movie out with the ugly fucker flying out of a window and falling 200 stories to his death, then don't slow down after that. I also got the distinct impression after reading several pages that the writers were both struggling too hard to put their artistic stamp on the story, when they should have just left it well enough alone and trimmed the fat. A near perfect Watchmen movie can be made, but we will see if egos, inexperience or money is going to get in the way... Long stoned ramble over and out..

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 11:40 a.m. CST

    http://www.watchmenmovie.com/ is registered

    by Doctor_Sin

    By Paramount. Right now, going there takes you to a "Norbit" trailer. But, it looks like the fix is in for Watchmen!

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 11:43 a.m. CST

    i'm sure it'll make sense as a three hour movie

    by reckni

    riiiiiiiiiiiiiight . . .

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 11:50 a.m. CST

    Sure it would

    by Gwai Lo

    It's what, as long or maybe not quite as long as one book from Lord of the Rings? Have you ever seen a 3 hour + movie? Andrei Rubylov, Lawrence of Arabia, Seven Samurai, they manage to get a lot done and they feel LONG. If I can read Watchmen in 3-4 hours why can't it be a movie that long?

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 11:57 a.m. CST

    Thus is filmable, but not by Snyder.

    by floydtheater07

    Has anyone actually seen the "300" trailers? Cuz, um, if you haven't, they look, well, quite bad. "Watchmen" is a thoughtful piece of intelligent literature. Paul Greengrass could handle it well. Snyder's version might be something more along the lines of...."SPARTANS!!!!!!! I mean, OZYMANDIAS!!!!!!!!!!!!" Gimme a break.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, noon CST

    S'all good, chrth. I'm hoping for the best...

    by Childe Roland

    ...as well. And for John Cusack as Dan.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 12:17 p.m. CST

    micheal keaton = dan

    by sonnyhooper

    adam west = hollis mason. <p> you know it just *feels* right

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 12:20 p.m. CST

    Rorschach is William H. Macy

    by stlfilmwire

    Rorschach can't be some chiseled Hollywood-type. Heck, I hate David Caruso, but he might even make a decent Rorchach. Buscemi? Nope, I don't think so.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 12:22 p.m. CST

    Wait, we're gonna root for Owl-Man?

    by Billyeveryteen

    Look, I love Watchmen too, but I hardly believe the gravitas can be pulled off.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 12:26 p.m. CST

    Harry's role in WATCHMEN should be...

    by SpyGuy

    ...the guy on the last page of issue #12 who spills a dab of ketchup on his smiley-face shirt (referencing the Comedian and the blood droplet) as Rorschach's journal lies under a stack of papers, waiting to be discovered.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 12:36 p.m. CST

    "it's more Taxi Driver than Fantastic Four"

    by captainCAPSLOCK

    it is somewhat encouraging that Zach says that...cautiously optimistic even though it sounds like 300 turned out to look more like an adaptation of a video game.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 12:42 p.m. CST

    I hope not!!

    by kurdt420

    Does anyone remember that god awful League of Extraordinary Gentlemen movie? Do you really wanna see them do the same thing o the Watchmen? They're gonna try to fit the whole thing into an hour and a half. Nothing good can come of it. It would make a better mini series than a movie if it has to be made at all.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 12:45 p.m. CST

    "Will We Be Watching WATCHMEN In 2008?!"

    by newc0253

    my guess? no. we probably won't.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 12:46 p.m. CST

    Whenever I hear "unfilamble" it always reminds

    by jim

    me of the episode of "Made in Canada" when they bought a novel, before reading it, to adapt to film. If I remember correctly, the entire novel turned out to be an inner monologue of the only character in the book, a blind man dying alone in his room.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 12:56 p.m. CST

    if youre a fan and want to see a film...

    by scarfinati

    You have to be ready to compromise. Of course the totality of the book cant be brought to screen in two and half hours. Thats just common sense. So if youre willing to have wholt subplots discarded and some deep character development nixed then youll probably like it. for my money, the wachowskis pulled off a similar stunt with V for Vendetta -- they distilled down to the most essential points. Thats what must happen in Watchmen. “I think it's more of an 'if I were in power, I'd abuse it'” Thats kind of my point. This desire to abuse power for self interest is within ALL of us, thats why we fear it when we have no power. and why we time and again abuse it when we have the power.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 1 p.m. CST

    Please please please

    by MrJJonz

    Do not make this as a film. And I'm not just talking about Snyder but any director. There is no possible way to cram everything in the comic book into a 2 hr film. Too much happens in the book. It is just not possible to make into a film. The only way to get close would be to make a trilogy of films or at very least a duo of films but they will not do that . . . ever . . .it just wouldn't make the money.<P>I love this book. It doesn't need to be made. Don't do it.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 2:02 p.m. CST

    Unfilmable...

    by MC Vamp

    Of course WATCHMEN is filmable. Anything is filmable. Just make it GOOD, please? That's the difference between "unfilmable" projects like DUNE and LOTR. One was given TLC and adequate screen time with few radical departures from the source text. One was not. One succeeded, one did not. Although I love the film DUNE, I recognize its Rabban-sized flaws. A well-executed WATCHMEN, while almost certainly abhorrent to Alan Moore, would be memorable and magnificent...it would also ensure I don't have to cover up my Comedian's Badge tattoo...

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 2:10 p.m. CST

    D.Caruso as Rorschach=Awesome Idea

    by TORTURE PWN

    Stacy Keach would be my vote for The Comedian.Maybe CGI him a little younger ala X3.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 2:11 p.m. CST

    Sure it's filmable, but

    by finky089

    will any studio give it the opportunity to succeed that LOTR got? Watchmen doesn't have nearly the recogition of LOTR prior to the film incarnations. And LOTR didn't have New Line's completel confidence until late into production, when they decided to fund PJ's reshoots and expanded editing to make 3 films, not just one, long one.<p> Realistically, Watchmen doesn't have a chance to be three 3-hour films, which it easily could *and should?) be to tell the story right (maybe three 2-hour films would suffice.) And if it has to be relegated to 3 hours or less, then I say DON'T FILM IT. Everyone should sit down with the comic and just enjoy it for the great work of literature it is. <p> Putting it on the big screen won't make it any better, esp for those of us who already appreciate it in its original illustrated form.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Alan Moore won't like ANY adaptation of his stuff

    by Doctor_Sin

    So, I can't rely on his evaluation(s). This is very doable, but the studio has to get it in their mushy head that this is not a "superhero"/"comic book" film, but a social commentary using "superheros" and "comics" as its medium. They need to not look for Spider-Man or FF. <p>Regardless of whether you liked Unbreakable (I loved it), that is sort of the tone and pacing they will need. Not some flashy eye-candy, but a character study. Make it 2.5 hrs long and add in an edgy, harsh (someone earlier used Taxi Driver - that would be a good template) tone.Rate it R and shoot for an older crowd and don't worry about "because there are superheros, we gotta make toys, so we gotta make a kids' film."<p>It *can* be done.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 2:13 p.m. CST

    Please, Zack Snyder don´t make an extendet edition

    by MasterKenobi

    of Watchem. I agree with messi, it can be made into a 3 hour movie and I have faith in Snyder he will make a good one, but he has said that he wants to put in more scenes on the dvd, and that is the worst idea ever. I still can´t shake of the memory of the drinking contest in ROTK of gimli and legolas or the witchking-gandalf confrontation, or frodo and sam holding each others hands walking in the woods. The only two films in filmhistory that were better in the extendet dvd version are: the abyss and kingdom of heaven. And if Snyder will make a version that is as perfect as it gets, then it must stay for the theatrical release and not be cut into shreds by the studio. We don´t need a poor theatrical version and then a complete director´s version for dvd. Fans want that film to be whole in theatres, they don´t want two versions. Only then will it be a success.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 2:15 p.m. CST

    If not Stacy Keach as The Comedian then

    by TORTURE PWN

    Tom Sizemore

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 2:15 p.m. CST

    Stacy Keach = Comedian

    by finky089

    Dead on, my friend.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 2:24 p.m. CST

    If not Stacy Keach or Tom Sizemore as The Comedian

    by TORTURE PWN

    then Rutger Hauer

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 2:26 p.m. CST

    Perfect Casting...

    by MC Vamp

    Shaquille O'Neal as Rorshaq!

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 2:28 p.m. CST

    From the footer:

    by Doctor_Sin

    "Ain't It Cool News and AICN are registered trademarks of Ain't It Cool, Inc."<p>Everytime you post the phrase "Ain't It Cool News" or "AICN", you owe Harry $100 because it makes baby Jesus cry.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 2:37 p.m. CST

    Phillip Seymour Hoffman=Nite-Owl

    by TORTURE PWN

    Ozymandias=Aaron Eckhart?

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 2:52 p.m. CST

    if you dont have enough money for dr. manhattan on mars

    by Winterchili

    THEN YOU DONT HAVE ENOUGH MONEY TO MAKE WATCHMEN

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 2:56 p.m. CST

    Oh and SpyGuy

    by Winterchili

    Considering Watchmen was on Time Magazines list of 100 best novels of the 20th century I don't think it needs a film to be remembered. Oh also while I'm at it, the reason it can't be adapted into a film is because the genius of Watchmen is the interplay between text and image.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 3:02 p.m. CST

    I'd like to see it done in multiple parts . . .

    by Nice Marmot

    If they insist on a theatrical version vs a mini-series, they should make it as long as they want and divide it equally into 3 or 4 sections. How bout every section coming w/ the next season?

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 3:16 p.m. CST

    make the pirate comic a pirate serial cliff hanger

    by durhay

    like in ye old movie days. Buscemi = Rorschach, Clooney = Comedian, Jeff Daniels = Nite Owl. Pitt = Ozymandius.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 4:38 p.m. CST

    Of course it won't live up to the book

    by Rupee88

    But at least this Zack Snyder guy seems to have his head on straight and "300" seems to be fairly pure. Of course I believed in Singer with Superman and we know how that turned out....but I still choose to be optimistic that Snyder can make a respectable film from Watchmen. At the very least, it will turn many more people on to the book, and that is a good thing.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 4:41 p.m. CST

    scarfinati

    by Rupee88

    V For Vendetta is a decent analogy because the Wachowskis did change it a lot, but still made a damn good film, keeping most of the main themes. I don't know if Snyder will get a large enough budget to do this justice, but you can't blame anyone but the dumb public who will support shitty horror movies every weekend, but turn their back on sci-fi unless it is very, very mainstream and dumbed down.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 4:56 p.m. CST

    Stacey Keach as The Comedian is a good idea

    by jim

    but I would prefer Powers Boothe

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 5:02 p.m. CST

    there's a big difference between 300 and watchmen:

    by newc0253

    i think the trailers for 300 look incredible, but - truth be told - it's a fairly straightforward story. whereas watchmen? that's a pretty dense narrative to distill into a single film, and it ain't audience friendly. i know i say this every time there's a watchmen talkback but i think the ending is box office poison. that said, i'll be interested to see how Zach Snyder handles it.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 5:27 p.m. CST

    That damn Rorschach mask is going to hurt the budget

    by Rupee88

    It's unfortunate, but he is a major character and it will cost a lot to do CGI on his mask the whole time. They will probably have to cut his scenes somewhat...just not a good solution to that problem if money is limited. Dr. Manhattan on Mars won't be that expensive as it's easy to do CGI landscapes and crystalline structures...it's the more organic stuff that's tough.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 5:57 p.m. CST

    finky089

    by one9deuce

    You are completely incorrect about New Line changing The Lord of the Rings from one movie into three after filming already started.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 6:02 p.m. CST

    Crispin Glover or Adrien Brody should play the Comedian

    by Err

    NOT HEATH LEDGER! Wait....wrong film.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 6:11 p.m. CST

    I just don't think Zack Snyder is the right director.

    by one9deuce

    And 300 just isn't going to make a lot of money, so he'll probably end up off of the project. "More Taxi Driver than Fantastic Four" is very encouraging though, that is exactly the way it should be shot. Gritty and real. <p> A talkbacker above mentioned Stanley Kubrick as a director for WATCHMEN and that is the most perfect idea I have ever heard. I'm surprised that I hadn't read that suggestion SOMEwhere before. <p> There were 12 years between Full Metal Jacket (1987) and Eyes Wide Shut (1999), what the hell was he doing?! He could have directed it in 94, 95, 96, and he would have been able to use what CGI he needed. <p> In an alternate universe there is a Stanley Kubrick directed WATCHMEN.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 6:43 p.m. CST

    Don't think this will ever get off the ground.

    by superninja

    It should be an HBO or Showtime miniseries.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 6:48 p.m. CST

    um, this may seem like a stupid question but:

    by newc0253

    why do they need to do Rorschach's mask in CGI? why not just make it, you know, a mask?

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 6:49 p.m. CST

    Doug Hutchison is the perfect Rorschach...

    by ZeroCorpse

    And he has been in contact with the people necessary, and actively seeking the role. He's perfect! As for Comedian, the old version should be Burt Reynolds or Stacey Keach.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 6:50 p.m. CST

    Whatever gets made of this, it needs to be very long.

    by superninja

    And very long in the right way, not in the naval gazing way a lot of films are long these days. I like the idea of a miniseries, but breaking it up into episodes with the comic book serving as bookends could also be very interesting. However, I'd rather see a Top 10 or Tom Strong movie.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 6:51 p.m. CST

    Watchmen is unfilmmable!!!

    by TheRevengeOfBayouWilly

    They'll never be able to film this! Just like they'll never make good movies out of my favorite epic books, Gone With The Wind and the Lord of the Rings trilogy. They're just too dense and layered. Film is a very limited medium! For God's sake, don't try anything new and different!

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 8:24 p.m. CST

    T-Bag from "Prison Break"

    by treewarrior

    should be Rorshach. Robert Knepper. Watching season one of Prison Break on DVD recently and it just hit me, the eyes and that gaunt face of his. Tell me I'm wrong, but he'd perfect as Rorshach.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 8:34 p.m. CST

    Riley Martin

    by one9deuce

    You think Heroes is equal to Watchmen? Please tell me you're joking.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 8:46 p.m. CST

    Rorshach mask

    by INWOsuxRED

    is made out of materials that don't exist. I don't think anyone can make a lava lamp mask that works. Thats why you use cgi.<br><br>Riley Martin didn't say Heros is equal to Watchmen, he said the general public will see Heros as the "original" because it "came first".

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 8:49 p.m. CST

    At least Snyder is honest...

    by genro

    If 300 underperforms, there goes Watchmen...and this will be the last shot Levin/Gordon have at a greenlight.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 9:17 p.m. CST

    Anything can be made filmable.

    by Orbots Commander

    Now, wether the movie ends up being good or not, that's a different argument. Another point, I love the Watchmen graphic novel; the problem is, the superhero deconstruction story angle has already been done in movies and TV: from The Incredibles, to Unbreakable, to as goofy but enjoyable as it is, Heroes. All were inspired by Watchmen, but have unfortunately beaten it to the big and small screen. And yes, Watchmen being made into a movie by Snyder rests on the level of success of 300, fair or not. If 300 is a huge Night at the Museum-sized hit, Wathchmen gets fast-tracked. If it belly flops, then Snyder likely goes on to something else and Watchmen continues its journey in development hell.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 10:14 p.m. CST

    I Would Rather Not See This Filmed

    by Barron34

    I think the chances for screwing up the WATCHMEN on film are pretty good, even with good intentions (which Snyder seems to have). WATCHMEN is practically ina class by itself in terms of graphic novels as serious literature. It is a classic, and it is a very specific work, unlike many other superhero properties, which have a wide range of past material to interpret. I would rather not see a WATCHMEN film that see a bad film made from it. I would really pitch a fit if they made a bad WATCHMEN movie. I just don't want a bad taste in my mouth when I think of WATCHMEN, which is a beloved classic.*****That said, it is still fun to play the casting game with WATCHMEN. Whoever mentioned Stacy Keach as a possible Comedian had a good idea. My own thought was Tom Berenger. Just look at his role in PLATOON. He IS Eddie Blake in that picture. Whoever mentioned David Caruso for Rorschach: I must disagree. Rorschach must be short but wiry. Caruso is way too tall. The guy who plays the lead on CSI: NY, his name escapes me at the moment, would be a good choice. Julianne Moore would be a good Silk Spectre II. Sandra Bullock might even work. Alec Baldwin would be a good Nite Owl II, or Beau Bridges, even he was a bit younger looking. William Hurt would make a good Ostermann/Doc Manhattan. Christopher Walken might be a good choice for Moloch. There is a relative unknown named Jeffery Nordling who would make a great Ozymandias. Nordling played Capote Duncan on Sex and the City. He looks like Veidt, and his IMDB profile indicates that he is a certified stage combat expert, which is great for Ozymandias, given the character's martial arts abilities. James Garner would be good for the older Nite Owl I, and Faye Dunaway would be a good choice for the older Silk Spectre I. Just some ideas.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 10:21 p.m. CST

    Other Casting Ideas

    by Barron34

    Gary Oldman would be a good alternate for Moloch. Of course, Gary Sinise is the actor whose name I could not remember as a possibility for Rorschach. He is short but wiry, a good character actor, and who could do the character's gravelly monotone voice, as well as play the character's intensity and twisted mind, in my opinion. Forest Whitaker migth be a good choice to play the psychiatrist who studies Rorschach in jail.

  • Feb. 12, 2007, 11:16 p.m. CST

    Dream casting

    by Itblowstherobot

    Daniel Craig for Rorshach Kevin Spacey for Nite-Owl Adam West for Hollis Mason Tom Selleck for Comedian

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 12:02 a.m. CST

    I watch you watch the watchmen

    by hatespeech

    then I'll go wank my dinkle til it's all nice and shiney

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 1:31 a.m. CST

    You know, I'm starting to come around on Snyder...

    by JimmyLoneWolf

    When I first heard that Zach Snyder was thinking of directing Watchmen, I immediately voiced my contempt for the project on IMDb, but with an addendum that is 300 kicked ass, I'd gladly retract my comments. Well, I still haven't seen 300 yet, but all indications point to its being a HUGE step up from the Dawn of the Dead remake (which I HATED after the first 20 minutes...which I LOVED). So, there it is...I'm behind Snyder's Watchmen, so long as he doesn't use heavy metal songs in THAT film. The only reason I have a problem with some comic adaptations is that a bad comic book movie actually HURTS the original work because people figure "I've already seen it and it wasn't that great, why read it?" This is exactly what happened when two friends of mine saw V for Vendetta. They thought the film was mediocre so they refused to even BORROW the graphic novel from me. Now, I've read the graphic novel, and I can tell you that the movie fell far short of what Moore achieved with his novel. It was a fun movie, and I enjoyed it myself, but it just felt like they really dropped the ball on the second half of the story...and if I hadn't already read the graphic novel, I'm not sure I WOULD have after seeing the film first. This is my worry with Watchmen, a bad movie could actually HURT people's desire to read what may be the finest graphic novel ever written. So to Zach Snydder I say, go for it, you could probably do it as well as anyone...but if he fails....eeee pobrecito!!!

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 2:12 a.m. CST

    Paddy Considine for Rorschach!

    by oisin5199

    You know it. Casting for age will be tough. I can see Keach as the Comedian in 'present' day (80s) but can he pull of playing a younger version in Vietnam? So far I think Snyder is making the right choices (set in the 80s, 'Taxi Driver') - it remains to be seen if the studios get it. And if you have the right set designer, set dresser and DP there's no reason you can't fit all those Moore trademark details in the frame.

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 2:15 a.m. CST

    Ruminations on casting...

    by JimmyLoneWolf

    Tom Berenger would be phenominal, but I think Dennis Farina could also do it. Bill Murray could also probably work as Rorshach. David Caruso LOOKS the part of Rorshach but the idea of him in this project doesn't excite me at all. The younger Silk Spectre could probably be played by anyone...and she probably will...count on the latest "it girl" getting that part, unfortunately. I'd hate to see someone like Nicole Kidman get the part...I think Julianne Moore could be superb in the role. Age is very important to Watchmen, which is why I think Berenger and Murray would be so good, they are just the right age and we don't want to see 30ish Watchmen trying to play 40ish (except for Ozymandius, who's in much better shaoe than the rest). I also think we shouldn't rule out DeNiro and Keitel as Nite Owl II and Rorsach, respectively. It would REALLY add resonance to the scene where they "join forces"...shades of Mean Streets. Bruce Willis has played a few "bad guys" before in films like Mortal Thoughts, so he isn't the worst choice for The Comedian, but he's far from the best choice. Hell, I even think Stallone could pull off the role!! I agree with William Hurt as Dr. Manhattan, not sure if anyone else looks the part as well...I fear an all-CGI character may be on the way. Ozymandius could be played by a slightly younger actor since he is in such top-notch physical shape. This may seem a bit out-there, but wouldn't Tom Cruise (with the aid of some age-enhancing makeup and a blond die job) be an inspired choice? He could poke some gentle fun at his Scientology image and it'd be another chance for him to "get bad" again which is always fun...there are distinctly Scientologian overtones to the Ozymandius character, so landing Cruise could be a real casting coup. Jack Nicholson could do Moloch...as could Pacino or Walken (although I'm getting tired of Walken always popping up in lousy films...he needs to pay a price for his bad decision-making)...Moloch be the easist part to cast, almost anyone could work...including, again, Bill Murray (who I'd really love to see in this film for some reason). Don't forget the smaller roles, lots of opportunities for great actors to cameo. I'm not sure how they could incoporate the Pirate comic, but if they can work that in I'll love them. Ed Norton could play the role very well...and getting Johnny Depp, while a long-shot, would be interesting. I'm very open to whoever they pick, as long as the choices are consistent. I also don't really mind changes, as long as they make for a better film and are well thought out. Film is not the same as literature (even in the case of graphic novels) and straight adaptations are often dull. I just don't want things omitted to make the film shorter...anything taken out should be REPLACED with something more befitting a cinematic telling of the story. A ninety minute long Watchmen movie would be disgraceful. This should be close to (if not longer than) 3 hours...splitting the4 story into two or three films could also work. Its all about HOW they do it, anything could work as long as its made with conviction and respect. We'll see...

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 2:31 a.m. CST

    I hope they don't include

    by teammember8

    I hope they don't include the Black Freighter stuff. I know, in the context of the novel, it makes sense...but, Christ, I'm fuckin' tired of pirates!-this and pirates!-that. It's just not cool to embrace it, especially since hipster asses in Brooklyn think it's fun to "talk pirate" or have pirate parties.

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 2:38 a.m. CST

    A few more brief casting thoughts...

    by JimmyLoneWolf

    John Cusack might be okay as Night Owl II...but whoever mentioned the Michael Keaton/Adam West idea...thats genius!! Sure, the idea isn't really organic to Watchmen, but its a great one just the same.

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 2:39 a.m. CST

    If Cusack IS Dan...

    by JimmyLoneWolf

    Don't overlook Robert Forster as Nite Owl I...

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 2:46 a.m. CST

    A little nervous

    by 2Utah2

    I like the care that Snyder sems to be taking with this project. However, I wonder if he will shott Watchmen in the same style that 300 seems to be in. I read a review that described 300 as all slo-mo, exaggereated action, rock music, all-out craziness. Which is fine for that film but Watchmen is an enitrely different animal and must be treated as such.

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 2:51 a.m. CST

    I know I'm rambling alot...but I've got more to say!!

    by JimmyLoneWolf

    After reading Zach Snyder's comments, I'm now going to say that whatever happens, I'm not going to blame Snyder for any of it...if anyone is responsible for this thing sucking, its the studio. They won't give him the money to go to Mars? Or even Antarctica!? WHAT?! Thats unbelievable! Such disrespect. This comic is on Time Magazine's list of the best 100 novels since 1923 and THIS is their attitude towards it? Those fuckers ought to be ashamed of themselves. They want it to be more "Fantastic Four" than "Strangelove", but they don't want to give it a decent budget...this is atrocious! 300 looks to have amazing effects, I can't understand why going to Mars would be so much more difficult than the stuff in 300. I'm supporting this movie, but now that I read that I'm sort of getting worried, I don't think the suits want this movie to succeed because if it does it'll cast a pall on whats been happening recently: namely, awful movies being # 1 at the box office. Night at the Museum, Stomp the Yard, Epic Movie, The Messengers, Norbit. These are the last 5 #1 hits in America, and they've all been savaged by critics and fans alike. I'm woprried that even if Watchmen IS good, noone will see it once they find out it isn't all about "special effects". But we shall see...still, I think its horrible that no decent movies are dominating at the box office. Where has America's taste gone!?

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 3:09 a.m. CST

    Michael Stipe IS Rorschach.

    by teammember8

    Michael Stipe IS Rorschach. Also, Denzel Washington could pull off the world-weariness of The Comedian.

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 7:34 a.m. CST

    Adam West as Nite Owl 1

    by Fuck The Napkin

    For real.

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 8:15 a.m. CST

    Man, there's a lot of wailing cassandras around

    by CarefulBen

    No reason this couldn't be fantastic. Snyder obviously loves the comic, and he's got everything laid out for him page for page - just needs a spot of editing. I would especially love to see Rosarch's mask working as it should - something the comic couldn't do. I'm not a CGI expert, but it wouldn't be that hard, and I'm hoping it'll be cool as fuck

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 9:24 a.m. CST

    finally, somebody who can respect source material

    by rich82

    Disney or whoever wake up and give Princess of Mars to this guy. Sure Dawn of the Dead wasnt as good as the original but was a pretty good remake as far as remakes go. He seems to have a lot of respect for source material.

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 10:01 a.m. CST

    Watchmen Poster? (delete spaces)

    by Err

    http:// s107.photobucket.com /albums/m318/ Baltimorebiker /?action=view& current= watchmenposter.jpg

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Rorshach's mask would make a great 3D poster

    by durhay

    we have the technology now

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 10:26 a.m. CST

    The quality of Watchmen will be the inverse of the $$$

    by INWOsuxRED

    If Watchmen is great, it will make less than Children of Men. If Watchmen sucks, it will make more than X-3, but it will make all that money in the first weekend, because if it sucks they'll have a good marketing campaign.

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 10:49 a.m. CST

    CarefulBen: "But I am Cassandra"

    by chrth

    <nt>

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 10:54 a.m. CST

    keaton/west = nite-owl 1/2...

    by sonnyhooper

    ....that was me, and i know it kinda screams "stunt casting". but it's stunt casting that could work, if this movie plays around with the conventions of the "super-hero movie" in the same way the original book played around with the conventions of the "super-hero comic". <p> other casting ideas: tim roth= Rorschach, adrain veidt= val kilmer or cary elwes , doctor manhatten = ed harris, slik specter = cathrine zeta jones or demi moore.

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 12:24 p.m. CST

    My Idea for a 2.5 Hour Movie

    by Aquatarkusman

    They just cut out most of the flashbacks and go for the core "who is murdering superheros" idea, have a shocking ending for the people who haven't read the novel, and watch it lose tens of millions of dollars, since nobody apart from us nerds really cares about these characters.

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 1:02 p.m. CST

    MISTAKE

    by yodapepper

    I think it's a mistake. everyone loves the anticipation of a comic turned film. but permanent anticipation would be a good thing for the classic book, and alan moore wants it that way. i don't think they could do it right, and it's been ripped off so many times that the film will seem like a giant cliche unless they do the entire film with the original script in tact. and based on the last five comic book movies, that ain't happenin'.

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 3:58 p.m. CST

    It'll Only Work On HBO!

    by Superfist

    I think my subject heading says it all.

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 7:02 p.m. CST

    Tim Roth

    by reTARDIS

    could make for a badass Rorshach. And while I'm thinking about it Christopher Eccleston seems like he could fit into Dr Manhattans personality too.

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 7:46 p.m. CST

    Jackie Earle Haley = Rorshach

    by slapshot

    Wrong hair color, of course, but I think he would just *kill* in this.

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 9:38 p.m. CST

    It's ZACK, not ZACH

    by sagaman

    He knows the difference between "300" and "Watchmen". They will not look the same. He knows and respects the material. Period. Will you be disappointed? If you are the type of person who was disappointed that Tom Bombadil wasn't in LOTR, then you will always be disappointed with screen adaptations. So, get over yourself, kick back, and enjoy the film. It will kick major ass, just like "300", only different. Guaranteed.

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 11:19 p.m. CST

    At least Snyder's heart is in the right place

    by Rupee88

    It could be someone like Tim Story or Brett Ratner...Snyder is a good choice...maybe not perfect, but relatively good. He seems to have passion for the project and 300 shows that he has some integrity. If he isn't manhandled by the studio, he will probably make an interesting Watchmen film.

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