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Doc Doom's design in FF2 - Looks Damn Snazzy!
Hey folks, Harry here... Over at JoBlo they uncovered a selection of designs - mainly on SPIDER-MAN 3. Stuff that we've essentially seen in one variation or another... but they did uncover something that nobody anywhere has ever seen. And that's the design for Dr Doom in FANTASTIC FOUR: RISE OF THE SILVER SURFER.
I very much love the design of Doc Doom here... and so long as we never have to see that actor's face.... or anything having to do with his incarnation from the last film... I think it could be wonderful. I'm curious where the designs on him came from - as the first film kinda laid down the origin as him becoming bio-armored - not hand forged armor - but maybe... if we're lucky - they're just forgetting everything that happened in the last film - and just moving on - as though it never happened.
I have to say - so far - everything on FANTASTIC FOUR 2 has been looking damn good. Let's hope they got it right. Here's hoping Tim Story and Fox have gotten their collective shit together this time out!
See - Pretty Snazzy, eh?
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Exactly the direction I'd hoped they would go for.
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Or is that a kilt?
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Looks like Doom went and visited Queer Eye for the Evil Guy.
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They better keep it rolling b/c it's going to take a lot for me to give this film a shot after that abomination of a first movie. But I do like what I've seen from FF2 thus far.
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this photo will last long.
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I came upon this page and it didn't have an 'image removed at request of [insert studio name here]' ;)
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uh, no, I guess she doesn't.
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Sorry to burst your bubble, but it's still shite. Snake-head nipples - oh boy. The mask doesn't look menacing - he just looks upset. Why don't they just use the classic Doom armor? Why!!????
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That actor is Julian McMahon from Nip/Tuck, and if you've seen that show you know he's quite good. It wasn't his fault the characterization of Doom fell flat... it was the screenwriter's.
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Sorry had to say that.
Yeah it looks cool. Hope it's shades of things to come with the coolness we've seen so far. -
Looks good!
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I like Julian McMahon. He can be a prick or easily change to be a suave dude.
Sadly they didnt use him well in FF1. He needs some cool role soon because he is awesome in the Nip/Tuck show. -
Im diggin on the engraving -very old worldy.Venom looks sweet too.Brush off the fears I had of where they were going with him.SPOLIERISH: Theres this Spiderman 3 fig photo floating around.When Spidey is fighting to get the symbiont off him ..I guess in that scene the head starts growing up off his shoulder.(Wonder if they have a conversation)When I saw that I thought it looked too thin and was affraid they were pushing a slimmer "carnage-ish" Venom.
But he looks as he should-
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But if we can get more Jessica Alba nudity in the next one I'llbe happy.
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At least he's wearing a skirt. Which doesn't look gay _at_all_.
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I hadn't seen that GG2 art yet! WTF is that??! He's on a fucking snowboard?? I'm not loving that design, but Venom and Doom look tits!
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...that some kid got and then decided to remove all the removable clothes on. Kind of like those red Imperial Guards from the 80's line up of Star Wars toys, they had gay skirts beneath their hoods too.
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it's just a drawing...and a lame one at that. i didn't know 7th graders were doing costume design these days. i'm so close to actually going to see this movie rrrg!
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Doesn't make me feel like what Doom should look like, the image looks like he should have his own cult. Maybe in the new movie he will get the Fantastic Four to drink the kool-aid when he convinces them that the great Gah-luk-tus is here to take them away.
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It's the final produc that counts. I wish we had pictures of that.
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that is all...oh and the way doom look is pretty ok.but he's to gray
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Old-world dictators should not look "snazzy", i.e., "extremely attractive or stylish; flashy; fancy: a snazzy dresser." Not even in today's world of looks vs. leadership.
Doom is an old-world dictator, not a movie star. He should not look snazzy. He should look intimidating.
If they think they can pull of an effective Doom with that concept in this movie, they need to go back to the books. I'd rather see Galactus in a big purple skirt than Doom in a green mini-skirt. -
Anna Nicole would have wanted it that way.
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Not bad.
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"Relax. Don't do it. Pulser rays gonna shoot it. Relax. Don't do it. When you gonna come? LATVIA! HUH!"
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That's what was missing from the first one.
Still man made armor unless he's got two snakes growing on his chest. -
The body isn't even cold yet. I bet some local cable channel somewhere is running a Trimspa commercial right now...
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And that could be a skort Doom is sporting.
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this seems to be recurring:
"doesn't look bad"
i wonder how bad he looked in the first one for you to be accepting this as passable...this design is sucky by comic book standards, much less big screen adaptation. why the hell are there SNAKES ON THE CHEST?! -
This is too low quality to be a genuine concept from a major studio. Sorry to have to break it to you.
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The violation of the fantastic four continues at full speed.
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You are seriously deluded yourself if you think they will forget everything about the first. It made a LOT of money and that's what they care about. It will still be very similar in tone and style to the first one. Some aspects will probably be better, maybe even enough to bring it to 'mediocre' level. But you are seriously crazy if you think that they will change the formula much. Just setting yourself up for huge disappointment. The only reason I actually enjoyed the first movie was because I was expecting the absolute worst movie ever.
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... and he came out of the closet.
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If having Magneto in every X movie wasn't lame enough, now they gotta put Doom in every FF film.
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I always took both the Spider-Man and Fantastic Four movies as being sort of an amalgam of Ultimate Marvel, and Marvel 616. Doom is ALL metal in Ultimate Fantastic Four, and this works on that level.
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Seriously. Increase the gamma to 4.0 and you can plainly see them. Here - here's a version with gamma already increased. The infamous "nards" are clearly visible if you just squint your eyes a little: http://tinyurl.com/2n5gwq
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Doctor Dior.
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Zzzzz. See, there's this thing about Doom. He's SCARY. He inspires FEAR. This... fine, so they're making him look like some Roman emperor, maybe in his vanity he's making an idealized statue-like shell to hide his real self, but...that's not Doc Doom. At the end of the day, the problem isn't that the movie makers are changing something sacred. It's that they think they know better than the original creators. They have to change things in order to feel like they're artistically valid. But does anyone in their right mind think that some Gen-X geek Hollywood designer knows better than JACK KING KIRBY? If they do, then why are they toiling in obscurity, making a movie of a forty-year-old JACK KING KIRBY story? Because... (deep breath) KIRBY KNOWS BEST! And this... (begin Horatio Caine voice) this, my friend... is hack work.
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I hope so, he's a cool guy. He fucked all the girls from Charmed. Well, I assume he did. I would if I was stuck on that show for 6 years.
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Uhm..that looks kinda.......gay.
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I've not seen FF and I don't want to but McMahon is great in Nip/Tuck.
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I have had it with these MOTHERFUCKIN SNAKES on this MOTHERFUCKIN CHEST!!!
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Subtitle "TOTAL FUCKING DESTRUCTION." And I wish I could get away with wearing a skirt like that..... My balls would never get sticky.
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by jimmy_009 Feb 8th, 2007
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This is too low quality to be a genuine concept from a major studio. Sorry to have to break it to you. -
Your wrong it's TOO silver!
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No, not Dr. Doom! I was talking about THIS guy.... "The functionality of skirts is just amazing!" Little Gay, everybody!
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Pixar won? They won last year when they took over Disney. But I remember that their original position was that they didn't want to do any sequels in the first place. More Brad Bird, less sequels please.
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Because there is a metrosexual in dat der armor!
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Can't you just picture the Nip and Tuck guy saying that in this costume?
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That is the only manskirt allowed.
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He is wearing a toga. He's real retro.
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stupid biometal tats? The design does not impress the more you stare at it. I remember Doom liking to be a little more covered up and a little less "drunk at Hyde".
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http://www.cshobbies.com/images/dr.%20doom.jpg
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gay. It's like they're trying to please the men AND women. Sort of if Beckham was Dr. Doom.
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...if he were a gay pornstar.
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I hate Venom as a character, but I have to say, that is spot-on. What is not spot on is making Harry look like a TOTAL TOOL as Green Goblin.
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And based on that design, he works for peanuts.
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You hit the nail on the head Kevred. C'mon Harry, i know you are enthusiastic and all but liking that design is weak especially for a true fan of FF. The Thing looks horrible too. Even if they get rid of his stupid rock lips. It could have been AWESOME!!!!! instead we get shite. It's ok to be mad. They've shown no respect to Kirby. It's a damn shame.
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Johnny?
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My issue with the design of Doom is that it does not convey the spirit of the character, but rather something that seems even worse than what we had in the first film.
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nipple ring and we're supposed to be impressed.
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Though I think I'd go with his hooded coat for a crossplay.
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It's really, really sad that Darth Vader is more like Doctor Doom than the film version of Doctor Doom. Ah, it breaks the heart...
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Feb 08, 2007 11:28:54 PM CST
First we get the Surfers nuts,now we get Fabio in metal
by allpowerfulwizardofoz
it's almost as if he is about to say with his hand raised "In this hand I hold the Surfers Nads, do as I say Surf man or I shall crush thou manhood". He looks to fucking polished to be Doom. Doom has a choppy look about him. He is in the comics a horrid creature underneath that mask. They already fucked it all up by changing the whole goddman background of Doom to begin with in the 1st film. This to me only looks to be a step in the wrong direction. How can Harry be excited about this?
Nothing about this movie excites me. The 1st one sucked. Bland hollywood garbage that had no lasting impression except how bad I wanted to peel my eyes from the screen and go home. Only The Thing was remotely close to being on target in that movie.
I will pass on this sequel.
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I loved those goat leg things he had going in Ultimate. Throw those on there. Goat Legs gotta eat.
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Goat legs turn everything cool
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Is his junk metal, too?
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How did this happen?
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...is there any screen name that says "kick ass classic Marvel" better than "Fin Fang Foom"? I think not. Rock on.
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Doctor Fabulous hopes metal, skirts, and olive drab are in for this season.
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It's the perfect tie in to Mandarin. Mandarin has super technology, Foom is an alien conqueror from an advanced civilization.
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like they had only a $5m budget...
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I'm sorry, looks like Dr. Fruit Loop to me.
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where's the tribal arm band?
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...old-school Latveria.
#2, I don't like that they changed the mouth on his mask.
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As a guy who doesn't read comics, can someone explain to me why this is a bad design? I don't get it. I Googled a few images of comic book Doom and it looks almost exactly the same. The only real difference is the snake detail, but movie types are always adding those extra flourishes for texture. What is it people don't like about this?
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Let's say he "looks" gay. Let's say he IS "gay". So. What. Is this your criticism? Is that good, or is that bad? Seriously. Can any of you morons explain why, without using the word gay in the explanation, this is a problem? Is it mutually exclusive with badass? With terrifying? With cool? With "ruler of Latveria"? It's much more interesting to wonder whether the chest-snakes mean Doom is somehow the ruler of Latveria in the movie and whether Latveria is depicted as a rogue state.
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figuratively speaking that is. Hes Who cares how he looks they alalready just some pompous American jackass of seemingly average intelligence who does not wear a suit but has metal skin and shoots lightning. I dont fucking care if they nail his look this time, its the character that counts and they already ruined him.
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strictly in the homoerotic sense. He doesn't look just like Doom in the comics who wore armor with a belted tunic over it. The obvious look here is one of it being his skin and he is shirtless with tatoos. What this has to do with Dr. Doom from the comics is beyond me. It even looks like he has those little definition things guys have on their hips. Are the filmmakers trying to make Dr. Doom sexy? Or did he just get out of the shower?
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Well, it kinda looks like Dr. Doom... Ya know what was scary cool when I was a kid? The crazy guy merged with Maximillian the Killer Robot at the end of The Black Hole. (SPOILER! Oops.) But, you know, like Vader... evil in an ugly metal shell.
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but of course in his case, it would be a biometal happy trail.
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He looks good. I may actually have to see this if they pull their act together, and this is from someone who never saw the first one, it looked so bad.
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Hater? Nonsense, there hasn't been a true hater in these here parts for a thousand years -- or at least since moviemack got banned and Indiana Clones disappeared.
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Hi my name's Boba Fat and I'm a former hater. I've used to think FF2 would be a steaming pile of crap but the trailer and this image has brought hope where once there was only darkness. I'm taking it one day at a time. Thanks for listening
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...wtf? I thought we had been through all that unsynchronized posting shit ages ago.
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The pose is gay, the snakes look like a gay accessory, the short toga is ultra-gay, even the pose says gay. And to anyone who bitches about people pointing things out to be gay, maybe you're gay too. That's so gay.
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Just wanted to sign in as yet another Silver Age comic book fan who still has not seen the first movie -- it just looked so very bad. Worth a Netflix rental, maybe? Or am I better off?
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all of the parts with Dr. Doom. The characterization of the 4 are pretty accurate, particularly Ben and Johnny.
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Really looks like it to me.
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FF was shot by the legendary Oliver Wood, yet it looked like absolute arse. There was no depth, texture or even thought-out composition in the first film, (this guy shot Face/Off for fuck's sake, he can do so much better).
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greatest hand over acting ever!!!
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Good gay or bad gay?
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BannedOnTheRun, the movie is not the Silver Age FF. But accepting that, it's a lot of fun. "You'll have a gay old tiiiime!" Seriously.
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Much much MUCH better design this time around, and to nay sayers who don't think this looks enough like Doom, PLEASE grow a pair of eyes and a brian.
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Sure,it's stupid as hell, but what do you expect? I do not understand how you're supposed to take that stuff seriously.BannedOnTheRun - if you have a nostalgic attachment to the comics, maybe you should give the film a miss. I liked it, but I never read FF, and it seems like it's mostly the comic fans who hate the film.
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I bet he smells of 'bath bombs' and little cherry flavored cigars.
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If you're bitching about him wearing a 'skirt' then you've either grown up on the Ultimate titles, or never read an FF book in your life, therefore your opinion means nothing. With the exception of the dragon engraving, it's pretty faithful to the original costume in the comics. But then, the costume in the first movie wasn't too bad either. It's the script and origin rehash that let it down. But Torch stole the show. The film was more like an adaptation of the old cartoon FF than of the actual comic-books anyway.
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But but will Johnny be back? I'm desperately looking for a radical twenty something extreme sporting super hero to identify with.
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That picture is gayer than Hasselhoff and Liberace combined. Even if I was psyched about FF2, after seeing this I would be too embarrased to admit.
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I guess this IS the 90's though.....
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however, venom looks good to me.
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...still shite!
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christ. you don't know the difference between a tunic and a skirt?
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Surfer is too silver for him...
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...but what exactly was wrong with the one from the comics? Aside from the mini-skirt, I mean...
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Doom wearing a skirt does not make him gay, and being gay does not make him less dangerous or credible as a bad guy (I've always thought Doc Ock looked suspiciously much like Elton John, but that's because I read spider-man comics in the 80's).
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If by snazzy you mean, "like shit." Honestly, it ain't that bad, but there's no way he'll look like this. Plus, what's with the elbow and knee joints? Even though in the comics he wears armor, according to the first FF movie his body generated the metal that becomes his new skin--in other words, it ain't a suit. Aw who cares as long as Jessica is nude or close to it.
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NEXTWAVE: AGENTS OF HATE: THE MOTION PICTURE: RAH!
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but i did on Film 2007 on monday night. i am impressed the scene where the silver smacks into the back of a building and creates a wave as he exits the front was cool. but your all so cynical that you probably dont. not very easily impressed are we.
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are in bad taste now that she is dead.
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by TBers saying Doom looks "gay" are being way hypersensitive, because I think what the TBers mean is that Doom does indeed look kinda homo-erotic. Not that looking homo-erotic is good or bad, but let's face it, he does look homo-erotic, and if being told that offends you, it's probably because you're gay or insecure or both, and because you're looking for malice or offensiveness where there wasn't any--like the morons who are saying Prince's super bowl show was risque and he emulated a phallus with his guitar. Let me tell you, I'm a big Prince fan, and I'm also a freakin' pervert, and--knowing Prince's flair for the erotic--I would be the first to pick up on any overt sexual innuendo, and I didn't catch any on my TV. Just a guy playing his guitar, very well too, I might add. Quit being so weak. If people are complaining that Doom looks "gay," they're complaining not because they think "gay" is bad, but because Doom ain't supposed to look "gay." He's supposed to look like a metal macho dude. Admittedly, the line between that and "gay" is thin...
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How would you have done it better. I think that we will see the doom we all know in the next FF films. Each story has a start. CGI is a realtively new way of doing things. as is perfromance capture. Computer technology is very slow and it isnt at the stage where you can make 100% cgi comic book film or a 100% performance capture comic film either. That would cost too much money for the studios to even consider that just at the moment. Keeeping costs down may make a movie look cheap, but studios especially fox of all people now that big budget spectacles are a dying breed. If all studios buried comic book movies for a while who will be the firs to complin. guess who....
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But still it is an improvement. As long as they go serious this time out it should be ok.
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Can't people do *evil* anymore???
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Story and Fox look like they're in the groove. "Rise of the Silver Surfer" is looking great.
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See, if they went just a little further in this direction the thing would be a cult classic.
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The one Roger Corman did - you know the one without budget but where they still managed to nail the look of The Thing and Dr Doom.
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You're nitpicking about approximately 2 feet of clothing material. It's clearly a big deal for you. Not for the grownups.
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Tunics are chestclothing, skirts are assclothing. It's like confusing pants with shirts.
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drawings are all very nice, but it is when it comes to the real thing that problems erupt. remember, the shitty Matrix sequels looked promising on the basis of the design pictures.
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and basically should have been the first 40 mins of a Fantastic Four movie. I have good hopes for this.
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I have to admit that as an adult I found it entertaining, but not any more than a good episode of the JLA TV show. The sequel looks like more of the same...it will be far from "great" if you are an adult, but probably a mildly fun diversion.
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that this it totally not CGI. Bah.
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How about not making every single villain have to have some NuMarvel teenangst personal motivation for hating the hero, like you took my girl? Part of Doom's mystique is that he was foreign and enigmatic. Now he is demystified to Metrosexual Evil Corporate Guy who is graduating to Eurotrash Evil Corporate Dictator.
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If you have a brain, you know the difference. The perception here is that he is bare-chested with dragon tats and a skirt (not even a belt) with a hooded cape. It's ridiculous looking.
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This looks like the XXX club version of medieval.
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Doom out. It would probably be a much better film. It is almost purely an origin story - the problem was the lame idea that Doom needed to be incorporated into their origin to make him have a personal motivation against Reed. It would've been more interesting if Reed had just gone to school or worked with Doom and helped him create/develop technology that Doom later used to lead a coup and take over his country. Then Reed would feel guilty and want to stop Doom. He helped him develop the tech, so he knows how to exploit its weaknesses. See how easy? Practically writes itself if you've read the comics. Instead we got a bunch of convoluted mess that actually had the effect of: making Reed an unlikeable pushover, making Sue look like a shallow bimbo for dating Metrosexual Doom in the first place, and making Dr. Doom look like an unintelligent leach corporate wussbag.
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Shouldnt doom be and act like Vader a bit. I remember the cartoon from decades ago. That was doom. It is the incarnation that i remember. Doom has no humanity or may that is all still to come. The Actor who voiced the hooded claw voiced doom or I think he did.
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Classic Doom wore a skirt. You can call it a "tunic" if you want to, but it still looks more like it belongs on '60s supermodel Twiggy. Now if I was updating the costume, I'd simply turn the tunic/skirt into robes, a la Reed Richards in Earth X. It makes the basic design less feminine without becoming overly thought out.
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The animated incarnation of Doom from the animated series from yonks ago was terrifying. Doom wanted to conquer and rule earth. He was mysterious. no one knew what his motivations were.
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Here http://8room.chu.jp/img/twiggy.jpg see what I mean?
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Seriously.
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All around that little clip is better than any of the movies. I've never watched it, but it makes me wish they'd do a team up movie.
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I'm just going to go hit my head against a wall now.
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his Gladiator duds? People have been making fun of Doom's skirt for ages, but the fact is, these are two different presentations. Doom in the comics wears a belted tunic over body armor. Here, the armor is his skin, and he looks like he just got out of the shower and wrapped a towel around his muscled and tatooed azz.
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you paste them here. Regardless of the color of Doom's tunic, it's besides the point based on this representation being that he is not wearing armor, but it is his skin.
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Has anyone heard ANYTHING about how (or if) they will handle the introduction of Galactus to the storyline??? The ONLY rumors I've heard is: #1 They will feature the Big-G in some form at the very end of the movie or #2 He will only be mentioned and held-back for a potential solo Surfer movie instead.
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to have a villain that didn't turn into a little girl because his chick broke up with him or because he wants to make money on real estate or something. What is wrong with just being an evil genius? Doom is also interesting in that he mixes mysticism with technology which makes his abilities unpredictable.
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Sheesh. BTW, if it's his skin, does that mean he has a big metal penis under there? All the more reason to wear a pair of pants!
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Still, I am not feeling the Twiggy/Doom vibe like you are. As for big metal junk under that skirt, that is none of my business, although it appears the suggestion would be "yes". I mean, they put nads on the Surfer so I'm guessing the good Dr. is anatomically correct.
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That was the first thing that Doom conceptual drawing made me think. Doesn't it matter how it's drawn, but how it looks in-person. Could look even worse than the original.
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http://tinyurl.com/2ox88u This DOOM is so great. If they could inspire half the awe this design does, they'd have themselves the next iconic movie villian to rival the classics. The new one is looking pretty lame as well, but it can't suck as bad as the one in the first movie.
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Feb 09, 2007 2:21:17 PM CST
Just got off the snakes on a toosoon silver train phone
by motoko kusanagi
or, erm, SPEED 3 anybody?
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I actually like the fact the movie made a pretty boy into Doctor Doom.
Julian McMahon spoke suprisingly clear through that mask (yes i know it was all a part of "movie magic").
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But it fits nicely with the prancing, sarcastic, ha-ha "Doom" that first wreck of an FF movie gave us.
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maybe this has been posted already.
but this is my immediate reaction. -
"Hi, im Chris Hanson, from Dateline NBC."
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That looks like Destro crossed with Serpentor..I liked the first films design a whole lot better and that art isn't all that great..really!
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Sorry, but it is true. He was the worst thing about the first Fantastic Four movie, which would have been much, much better if they had gotten Doom right. McMahon might be good on Nip/Tuck, but he sucked in the FF movie. Doom is not a preening, annoying metrosexual. Doctor Doom is one of the greatest villains in all of comicbook history, and they really fucked the character up in that movie with bad casting, bad writing, and bad acting. Doom should be more like Darth Vader. (In fact, it is rumored that Vader was, in part, inspired by Doctor Doom) As far as this illustration of Doom goes, it is not great. There IS a difference between a skirt and a tunic, and if you can't see that, I do not know what to say. McMahon made Doom weak and unmanly enough. Why continue the trend into the second movie? Doom needed to be re-cast. As far as his look, his origins, and his demeanor, they really should stick as closely to the comic-books as possible. I hated the FF movie when I first saw it, mainly because Doom sucked so much. Only when I rented the video from my library (for free) and watched the movie a second time did I see that the four actors playing the FF did a decent job, and the movie would have actually been OK if Doom was not such shite. You would think that the filmmakers would try and improve the second film based upon criticisms of the first. As a fan, I am disinclined to see this second movie in the theatres, since the studio and the filmmakers seem to be taking fan opinion for granted, which is a mistake, in my opinion. Sure, the first movie made money, but this franchise would make even MORE money if they pleased not just general audiences, but rather BOTH general audiences AND fan audiences. Unless fan reaction for this film is very positive, I will probably wait for the movie to show up on DVD in my municipal library, where I can rent it for nothing. I am glad that superhero movies are getting made, but on principal I will try and avoid comicbook movies that seem to take comicbook fans for granted.
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I meant "on principle", not "on principal"
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I meant "on principle", not "on principal".
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It looks like he's wearing Bike Shorts.
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They do share the same face.
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so says Superherohype - http://www.superherohype.com/news.php?id=5193
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After the whole TF fiasco. "Not legit" could just mean, "Ooops...back to the drawing board..."
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Goblin II design is also fake? It's horrible. The first GG was Power Ranger and this one looks like a character from TMNT.
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Flames on Optimus=Snakes where Dooms nipples should be!
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You wish.
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