Feb. 8, 2007, 2:02 a.m. CST
Joss really needs to get his ass back on TV. With a few exceptions (Rome, The Shield, sometimes BSG), nothing else is as consistently well written as Whedon-penned or run scripts/series. I really miss that stuff...
Feb. 8, 2007, 2:29 a.m. CST
What about a Whedon-penned show featuring an underwear model with psychic powers? Shedding clothes by day, solving crime by night. It'd be a winner.
Feb. 8, 2007, 3:19 a.m. CST
WTF?!?!!?! That's just ridiculous. Never heard of a comic book jumping the shark...
Feb. 8, 2007, 4:26 a.m. CST
..is ginormous! *giggle* Please Joss, I know with comics, you can imagine just about anything. It's like radio, where you use sound effects to, let's say - fill a football stadium with cotton candy, then light it on fire. But I want to SEE Willow roll her eyes at Xander as he does a double take and Buffy wrinkles her nose and says, "Ew" while Giles takes off his glasses to clean them on his shirt. I miss them all terribly..
Feb. 8, 2007, 4:43 a.m. CST
by Franklin T Marmoset
I don't blame Whedon for wanting to crack the film world, but I'm not convinced that's where his talents lie. He is, however, a ridiculously talented television writer, so I'd love to see him go back to that.<p>Also, I'm sure this comic is very cute and all, but I just don't want anything to do with it. They gave Buffy a pretty good ending with season seven, why can't they just leave well alone?
Feb. 8, 2007, 5:24 a.m. CST
not after they cancelled his two tv shows, angel and Firefly, i dont think he will go back to tv.
Feb. 8, 2007, 6:46 a.m. CST
Where's FIREFLY Season 2? Set between Firefly and Serenity, so Wash and Book can be there. Or even set after Serenity, as long as we FINALLY get to find out about the past of Book, and even Inara. That show had SO much left to tell. And Whedon wasn't the only one writing Buffy, or Angel, OR Firefly... he had other talented people along for the ride like Tim Minear. It must suck to be a secondary writer (who writes just as many, if not more episodes, but doesn't get any of the recognition). All people remember is Whedon because he created the shows.
Feb. 8, 2007, 10:24 a.m. CST
That would probably tip me over into subscribing to it. With Bullshit, Weeds and Dexter, Showtime has the momentum over HBO right now. They need to parlay that, and getting someone like Joss, with a cult following, would make a lot of financial sense. And he'd have the freedom he wants. It doesn't have to have anything to do with Serenity or Vampires either (not that I would complain if it did). But he's getting older and he better start using it or losing it. Nobody cares about your movie career Joss cause nobody goes to the movies anymore anyway. Long term character development is your thing. Go with it.
Feb. 8, 2007, 10:56 a.m. CST
by Motoko Kusanagi
Just like Mr. Whedon.
Feb. 8, 2007, 11:48 a.m. CST
by Childe Roland
...the best television I can recall watching. Genuinely entertaining and written in a style that was very fresh at the time (but has since been imitated into mundanity). I left the show pretty much when Angel did because his character was more interessting to me. And his show was very solid for four of its five years (not in a row, though). Firefly was better than average TV, but I never really got into it as much as I did other space western fare (it was no Cowboy Bebop, though it was clearly trying to be). Whedon's one of the more talented TV guys working (when he's working in TV), but he's got zero big screen mojo as anything but a script doctor (and even as that, his record's very spotty). I hear he's okay as a comic writer. Maybe he should just focus his efforts there (since I honestly don't think he has an idea for another TV show in him). Let him pick up pre-existing characters and other people's ideas and make them quirkier/fresher/more relatable. That's really what he does best.
Feb. 8, 2007, 12:22 p.m. CST
if Joss takes the opportunity to bring back Tara and set things straight. The show lost it's heart & soul after he killed her off.
Feb. 8, 2007, 12:57 p.m. CST
...for most of what you say. I think that Seasons 2 & 3 of "Buffy" were two of the strongest ever produced for television (Season 1 to me was fun, but merely set the stage for the brilliance to come). "Angel" was excellent for much of its time (I'd agree on the 4 seasons of solidity). I appreciate "Firefly" more than you, though, but maybe some of that is due to its potential--"Serenity" was good and all, but to have gone the places it did in a few seasonal arcs would've been amazing. I dig on Whedon's "Astonishing X-Men" work, though I had admittedly not picked up a comic beforehand since the late 80's, but even so, it's easy to see his talent. Finally, I couldn't agree more that he has enough characters/franchises going that he could take futher and to higher levels, and would love to see him focus as such. I'm sure Joss is a bit frustrated though, seeing as how none of his TV works have really ever broken out and become mainstream hits (yeah, "Buffy" built a network, but, well...it was the freakin' WB). I think he'd like to hit a commercial vein--of course, in Hollywood, who wouldn't?--and yet maintain his quality, standards, and control, and I'm sure he's afraid it'll never happen with his existing franchises.
Feb. 8, 2007, 1:14 p.m. CST
I read somewhere that after a few issues Whedon will start giving up writing duties and just oversee the overall plot of the "season." It's supposed to work, in a creative sense, just like a season of Buffy. The strength of Whedon is that he's so familiar with story conventions that he's able to fake out the audience. A perfect example is on Firefly when Mal gets "married" accidentaly. It's a pretty standard television story used a thousand times before, so fifteen minutes he pulls the rug out from under his audience and makes the wife a con-woman. Anyone who does not like Whedon's story telling just doesn't understand the basics of good writing.
Feb. 8, 2007, 1:19 p.m. CST
Give this guy some time; he just lost WW, he's going to come up with something interesting with GONERS, and he still keeps the Buffy story alive. By the way, anybody heard about the rumors of a no-review weekend for GHOST RIDER?
Feb. 8, 2007, 2 p.m. CST
in writing part of buffy season 8. and if that doesn't get you interested, then it's quite possible that you're a dickwad.
Feb. 8, 2007, 4:07 p.m. CST
And I'm fanboy enough to admit it.
Feb. 8, 2007, 4:26 p.m. CST
by Childe Roland
"...just doesn't understand the basics of good writing." You know, it's ass-backward statements like this that make perfectly reasonable people who might actually appreciate Whedon's work for what it is want to take a shot at him. Because, I'm sorry, but the reason some folks don't like Whedon's story telling as much as you apparently do is because it often is "the basics" in action. Plot and the integrity of internal logic have never been the man's strong suit. He's great with character and dialogue. His plots are typically paint-by-numbers with the intermittent single and double reverse fake-outs ploys. Textbook stuff and hardly original (the influence of comic books, syndicated television and Japanese anime on his work is evident). He's a talented writer. But let's keep things in perspective.
Feb. 8, 2007, 4:53 p.m. CST
When fans of Whedon make statements to this vein, it's no wonder people take shots at Whedon.<P>Childe Roland said it right: "..statements like this that make perfectly reasonable people who might actually appreciate Whedon's work for what it is want to take a shot at him." <P>Whedon's style is not to everyone's taste.<P>P.S. Childe: Cowboy Bebop is classic!!
Feb. 8, 2007, 4:42 p.m. CST
I'm just going to nip this in the bud now. Do you know how long it takes for a comic to go from initial idea to production and distribution? I didn't think so. First, Whedon has not 'failed' in his movie career - he's just getting started (though I do agree he works better in serialized genres, like tv and comics). 2nd, he's not 'going back' to Buffy because of Wonder Woman falling through or anything. This comic has been in the pipeline for quite some time, way before Wonder Woman. And since the show ended, there have been consistent comic stories in the Buffy verse that Joss has written or overseen (Tales of the Vampires, various Angel and Spike comics). So don't pull statements out of your ass. Can't wait for season 8! (sounds like a chant).
Feb. 8, 2007, 4:58 p.m. CST
..not a "hater". I love his work, but hate when Metalwater-type people who scare potential fans off with their rabid fanboy-ness. ;D
Feb. 8, 2007, 5:19 p.m. CST
by Childe Roland
...words and music. I hate to bust out an Eddie and the Cruisers quote, but it fits. Some folks listen to songs for the lyrics. Some listen for the structure of the music itself. And some even have favorite instruments that they monkey with the settings on their equalizers to bring up over everything else. Some bands have great songwriters. Some have great singers. Some have great guitarists. Here's the kicker...there are people who can have a relatively equal appreciation for all of the elements that make up a song. These people, when they hear an element they like, are going to comment on it. They're also going to focus that much more on other elements of the song that didn't quite play to that same level (for them, of course, all tastes being subjective). I think Whedon's got a lot of fans who just want every aspect of every project he touches to be perfect so badly that, in their minds, that's the way it is. Typing to them (I thank god I've never actually met one of these whackos) is akin to trying to reason with a child who plugs his ears and chants "You're a stupidhead and I can't hear you!" over and over again after insisting that the sky is cotton candy and the moon is made of green cheese. I can recognize that Whedon's a very talented lyricist. You obviously recognize that he really only knows a few chords on the plotting guitar. You and I can have meaningful discussion about what, of his, works for us and what doesn't. Many other folks I've read on the subject? Not so much.
Feb. 8, 2007, 5:52 p.m. CST
started the weekend a little early. Gulp. Gulp.
Feb. 8, 2007, 6:06 p.m. CST
Anyone who's been on this board more than a few days knows that Metalwater is completely batshit insane 99% of the time. As if every show would be better with an extra dose of...Whedon. He's smoking the Weed-un. Joss' work is far from perfect, but I still love it, because his characters and concepts give me something to care about. Which is why I have no problem pointing out its flaws. It's like when you tell your best friend they're messing up because you care about them. I can't separate the Buffy seasons because it's all one piece to me. Some episodes work better than others, some are brilliant, some are stinkers. But they're the ups and downs of a whole piece, just like we have our good days and bad days. I think saying seasons 1-3 are good and 4-7 aren't is painting with too broad a stroke. The high school years may be tighter thematically because high school was the original concept, but that doesn't mean there wasn't worthy stuff afterwards or that aren't still worthy stories to tell.
Feb. 8, 2007, 8:33 p.m. CST
If Sparticus was constantly followed around by some dude screaming gibberish about how great Sparticus was and how he was better than anybody at everything, I'm guessing there would have been less people stepping forward to claim to be him. I still look forward to your posts though ya big loon...
Feb. 8, 2007, 10:44 p.m. CST
For me, it's 70 feet or nothing!!!
Feb. 8, 2007, 10:44 p.m. CST
For me, it's 70 feet or nothing?
Feb. 8, 2007, 10:45 p.m. CST
For me, it's 70 feet or nothing!!!
Feb. 8, 2007, 10:54 p.m. CST
by Darth Fabulous
Dude, time to resurrect this sucker...get Faith, Spike, Andrew, Xander...throw in Illyria and a couple new characters maybe...you got yourself a stew, baby! Seriously, Joss works best telling stories in this format, period. I had no interest in Wonder Woman...Joss, time to get back to business.
Feb. 8, 2007, 11:34 p.m. CST
Feb. 8, 2007, 11:38 p.m. CST
I don't know how you can not see that it's people like you who bring on so much of the anti-Whedon venom. Who the fuck are you to say who is a 'true fan' or not? This is why people think fanboys are losers, and gotta say, you're proving them right. I'm not going to try to defend myself with all my academic work (published papers, conferences, classes) on Buffy. But then you're probably just a troll trying to stir up shit. So just bite me.
Feb. 9, 2007, 1:46 a.m. CST
Because if this ridiculous storyline is all Whedon can produce, then it's good the execreble Season 7 was the end. Still, he is writing some hilarious things in this comic, the most notable being recasting puffy, pudgy old Xander as an eyepatch-wearing, studly romance-novel-like hero. Ha! Fat old sexless Xander. Too funny.
Feb. 9, 2007, 2:44 a.m. CST
When did I give Joss a vote of no-confidence? I love Joss and almost everything he's done. It's YOU I have a problem with. You've been an imbecile before, but this is the worst you've been. You really should try getting back on the meds.
Feb. 9, 2007, 3:10 a.m. CST
seriously. How did the clothes grow too? is Thrice wise sperm that magical? or does it just enlarge whatever it touches.....ohhh....ewwww. hopefully she had a towel ready, then again that would have been enlarged too huh? EWWWWWWWW.....
Feb. 9, 2007, 7:11 a.m. CST
'Cause that festival of depression they aired on TV a few years ago sure wasn't it.
Feb. 9, 2007, 7:26 a.m. CST
Hahahahahahaha<P>That's some of he funniest sh!t I've read in a TB. Seriously, people are looking at me funny, coz I'm in the Uni library at the moment. I couldn't contain my laughter.<P>Comparing Whedon to Jesus and Moses?!?! Now I'm a frakking big Whedon fan, but damn!! With people like you around how the hell did Angel and Firely get cancelled.? BTW, how many copies of Serenity do you own? DVD? HD-DVD? VHS? Legal Download? The theatrical reels? A copy of the master? All signed by the cast and crew? WOW.<P>I'm surprised Katie Sackoff hasn't married you yet! ;P<P>Don't ever change MetalWater, you're too unintentionally funny.
Feb. 9, 2007, 9:51 a.m. CST
by Jack Parsons
Joss says that Buffy never dated the Immortal. It was psychops, a cover story to place her in Italy while she was elsewhere. Just a lesson to those who give up trying to relight the old flame: Angel and Spike shouldn't have accepted "change" so readily. And in retrospect, should go back and kick that little weenie's sanctimonious (and murdering) ass for lying to them.
Feb. 9, 2007, 4:52 p.m. CST
We know that the blonde girl in the "Girl in Question" was just a vague body double for Sarah Michele Gellar, so it's not hard to believe it was a decoy. With all Spike and Angel's history together, we had never of this Immortal dude and we had no reason to believe Buffy would be with him. Knowing that Andrew made it up fits totally with his character, because he likes to tell stories, especially romantic ones, and you could see how he'd be all into doing that. Finally, it shows that the Angel episode was all about Spike and Angel's insecurities and obsessions, not about Buffy at all. If anything the comic info fixes what was a weak story to begin with. I love it! The Dawn thing, not so sure about.
Feb. 9, 2007, 9:39 p.m. CST
While all that stuff is true, to an extent (Yes, we should all stand up for what we believe in, leaders not followers, etc). You're forgeting our points and taking things WAAY too seriously.<P> How does claiming every other show is ripping off Whedon stick it to "The Machine"? Especially when alot of Whedon's ideas are influenced by other things. Basic example: Firefly has shades of Cowboy Bebop and Blakes 7 as well as many other things. Should I go around proclaiming Whedon is a hack coz he was influenced by Bebop? Of course not. And that's just the tip of the iceberg.<P>You seem to be a man of faith, well if you're as rabid at spreading the gospel as you are at telling everyone Whedon is the ultimate greatest of all time, no wonder there is such a backlash towards us fellow believers. :P<P>Fox screwed Whedon, WW wasn't a good fit for him. The world is not out to get him. How long was he writing WW for anyway? Ages! No one wants a Whedon WW anyway. We want original Whedon. You act as if Whedon will never get a chance to make a feature film again. If you were a "true fan" (;P) you'd have faith in his skill and know that he'd be back. However, I don't even think films are a perfect fit for Joss anyway. Yes, I believe he'll make some great films in the future (I love Serenity) but serialized arcs and character development are where he shines the best IMHO.<P>MetalWater, you're heart is in the right place. However, you sense of the outside world seems damaged. Like a conspiracy nut looking for the net plot against society. You are slightly deluded. How does acting like a freak in TBs throw a fist up in support of Whedon? You're forgeting Whedon isn't exactly slumming it, working as a waiter or serving burgers. He's doing what he loves and getting paid for it. Many would kill for that! All your talk of "Fighting the Good Fight" in reference to being annoyed that Whedon isn't making WW anymore makes you look pathetic. As if society hangs on whether Whedon makes it or not.<P>Whedon is awesome, and I look forward to his stuff. At the end of the day he is just a normal human being like me and y... well you get my point. ;D<P>Your other posts were hilarious, your last one was just embarassing. So embarassing that I actually wish you were a Whedon-hating troll trying to stir trouble. Good luck "Fighting The Good Fight" against Joel Silver et al.
Feb. 11, 2007, 1:50 a.m. CST
As a fan of Buffy/Angel, I wanted to post that I think a comic of season 8 is a fun idea, just hope it captures the things that were great about Buffy, mainly seasons 1-3. Too bad they never made that cartoon, that could have been great fun. Hey, check out my site if you like, I'm an actor, huge AICN reader, love 24, hate Michael Bay, like Whedon, and respect the shit out of Sly for being the man and giving us all those talkbacks. Here's my reel guys, lemme know what you think reelaccess.com/talent/richfinley you can reach me at my name at yahoo
Feb. 11, 2007, 2:05 a.m. CST
As a fan of Buffy/Angel, I wanted to post that I think a comic of season 8 is a fun idea, just hope it captures the things that were great about Buffy, mainly seasons 1-3. Too bad they never made that cartoon, that could have been great fun. Hey, check out my site if you like, I'm an actor, huge AICN reader, love 24, hate Michael Bay, like Whedon, and respect the shit out of Sly for being the man and giving us all those talkbacks. Here's my reel guys, lemme know what you think reelaccess.com/talent/richfinley you can reach me at my name at yahoo, my earlier post put a space in there, not sure what the hell that was about lol