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Romanek is going to make Benicio Del Toro howl at the moon in Andrew Kevin Walker's THE WOLFMAN!!!

Hey folks, Harry here... In recent days we've had a lot of fanboy disappointment. Bad news on beloved projects turning from wet dream to clean-up on aisle 7. Well - today - a project that I've been VERY JAZZED ABOUT... Andrew Kevin Walker's THE WOLFMAN - the Victorian Period retelling of the classic Lon Chaney Jr THE WOLFMAN... starring Benicio Del Toro as Larry Talbot... well - it got its director... MARK ROMANEK. You probably know Romanek from his amazing Music Video work - or the too few of you that saw his wonderful ONE HOUR PHOTO... you know him from that. Over the last 3 years, I've gotten to know Mark Romanek quite well. We keep similar hours on AIM - and in numerous IM conversation he's exhibited quite the disdain for CG. Mark is an old school director - professing a desire to make films that are captured by a lens capturing the light and shadow in front of it. I am SO happy at this reveal from Universal. It shows a real vision, by going with a director that absolutely keeps it real. From reading Andrew's script - I can't help but think that this will be an R-rated affair - and with Mark directing Benicio... I imagine the torment and torture of this cursed soul to be laid bare on screen... and I hope the transformation will be practical. I'm going to try to get Mark to talk with AICN soon about this. Because this is the most exciting Horror project out there for me right now. An A-list horror film that is classic, violent and sexy without being just a nonsensical mess of CG. At least that's what I hope Romanek directing means!

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  • Feb. 8, 2007, 1:30 a.m. CST


    by Jobes War

    Can cross that off my list of things to do before I grow pubes

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 1:31 a.m. CST

    Am I? Am I?

    by ian216a


  • Feb. 8, 2007, 1:31 a.m. CST

    bollocks -

    by ian216a

    hope the film sucks now too

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 1:35 a.m. CST

    Wow, nice pedigree

    by Ribbons

    No pun intended. I'll be watching this one with interest.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 1:35 a.m. CST

    Bullshit Free Rock N Roll for Werewolves

    by reni

    Its like the unholy trinity - Romanek, Del Toro & Walker. Make it R rated and keep the spirit of Chaney but don't forget more recent friends like Joe Dante & John Landis... very cool!

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 1:46 a.m. CST

    Andrew Kevin Walker

    by instant_karma

    is still alive?!?

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 1:49 a.m. CST

    Counting down to

    by instant_karma


  • Feb. 8, 2007, 2:01 a.m. CST

    I agree Righteous Brother

    by Kenny8

    ..and unlike the farrago that was "Van Helsing"

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 2:01 a.m. CST


    by kgerm

    This is pretty much perfect. I really don't see how this can get effed up. Walker hasn't really dropped a feature since Sleepy Hollow. High hopes for this one. He only gets better.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 2:10 a.m. CST


    by Motoko Kusanagi


  • Feb. 8, 2007, 2:22 a.m. CST


    by Tempermental

    Keeping in line with Flash,Lynda's Bobs,The Habit, it was announced today in my basement where I hide that MARK WATERS will replace Romanek, and The Secret Hollywood Alliance To Fuck Up Fantasy To Save Money can now brethe easy again. Where are my pantaloons?

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 2:24 a.m. CST

    I Hope So Too, Harry.

    by buster00

    I think this has potential.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 2:33 a.m. CST

    all movies are captured by a lens capturing light..

    by Windowlicker74

    even the masterpiece that was Van Helsing..

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 2:36 a.m. CST

    I know it's an obvious suggestion (but appropriate),

    by half vader

    but if they announced Rick Baker was in, THAT would be unholy cool. Many geeks (including me) woukld explode without having even seen the movie.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 2:36 a.m. CST


    by DocPazuzu

    ...Like Monkeybutt said, there won't be much need for makeup. Seriously, though, this sounds like a case of either brilliant or stunt casting, much like -- oddly enough -- Jack Nicholson as the "woof" in Wolf.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 2:38 a.m. CST

    too few people saw one hour photo?

    by Holodigm

    i was of the impression that many a people saw it, and many a people liked it.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 3:09 a.m. CST

    I just got off Yahoo IM with Michael Bay...

    by onemanarmy

    He says he'll take this movie over as long as Wolfman takes exploding shits, he transforms from sunlight as opposed to moonlight, and has a 9 foot long tail with a razor sharp blade at the end...which is due to his titanium skeleton of course.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 3:12 a.m. CST

    Cool News!

    by Boba Fat


  • Feb. 8, 2007, 3:12 a.m. CST

    harry's buddylist

    by aquateenhungerbomb

    guaranteed they all want him to leave them alone.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 3:19 a.m. CST

    What noteable music vids has Romanek done then?

    by DirkD13"

    Apart from 'Can't Stop' by the Chilli's, I know about that one.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 3:21 a.m. CST

    perfect constellation

    by AllieJamison

    Wolfman-Benicio Del Toro-Victorian Period-Mark Romanek -----these things fit like a glove. [br] I gotta think of that impressive Nine Inch Nails video ...

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 3:44 a.m. CST


    by smegmatron

    He wants Harry to take his tongue outta his fucking ass, as people are starting to talk!

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 3:49 a.m. CST


    by AllieJamison

    Well...I only know those from his directors label DVD. My (and many other people's) favorite is the video for Johnny Cashs HURT version. It's actually very simple in its concept and execution but yet impressive, and deeply emotional. It's probably the only music video that has ever made me cry. <br> Then I gotta think of his video for NIN's PERFECT DRUG...which, just like CLOSER (other NIN video) includes strikingly dark, rich and original imagery. He did other interesting videos for Fiona Apple, Mick Jagger aaand others I unfortunately forgot about. Buy that DVD so you'll see for yourself what this guy is capable of...This may sound superficial but what makes him great for me is that he even turns videos for dull songs into rich works of art, because he's applying very special styles of filmmaking and themes in a convincing and playful way...<br> But... enough now.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 4:12 a.m. CST

    Thanks Allie

    by wazza

    For giving me some info on the dude. I loved Hurt until the guy next door played it on repeat, full volume, for 3 hours while shouting/singing!

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 4:15 a.m. CST

    Norbitt gotta eat!!!

    by wazza

    by the way

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 4:19 a.m. CST

    While we're on the subject...

    by DocPazuzu

    ...of music video directors making the transition to movies, I'd just like to once again say how much I want to see a Chris Cunningham Alien film. Now that wouldn't be anything less than truly disturbing. Oh, and the Cash "Hurt" video is great.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 4:25 a.m. CST

    Ah, it's spelled THE WOLF MAN...

    by Grinning White Skull

    In the original classic Universal horror film and the sequels the werewolf character is spelled as "THE WOLF MAN". It's a little thing but it's a show of respect for the original. You wouldn't say SUPER MAN or take the hyphen out of SPIDER-MAN would you? "THE WOLF MAN" imdb is at

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 4:30 a.m. CST

    Romanek good, Walker bad!

    by DerLanghaarige

    The only good film he wrote was "Sleepy Hollow" and even that one wasn't too original and could have been a huge trainwreck without Burton directing!

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 4:49 a.m. CST

    Romanek also did Jeremy

    by TheSeeker7

    Remember, that obscure little video by that no-name band from Seattle?

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 4:51 a.m. CST

    music video directors making real movies

    by CuervoJones

    They are more scary than werewolves

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 4:53 a.m. CST

    errr--damn, correction

    by TheSeeker7

    Sorry, bloody hell. I ALWAYS confuse Romanek with Mark Pellington. Pellington directed Jeremy. My bad.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 5:52 a.m. CST

    Romanek and Walker

    by half vader

    So, DerLanghaarige, I guess you're not a fan of Seven then? I think it's phenomenal, but there seems to be an uprising in the last year of fanboys talking shit about it (guess they got tired of ripping on Fight Club). Not saying you personally, just sayin'. Anyway, I love it. Even if for no other reason than all the bimbo girls that ignored everything and went in expecting a pretty-boy Pitt movie. The look on their faces as we came out of the cinema was priceless. <p> As for Romanek (Allie and Dirk), the one that shot him to fame was "Are you gonna go my way" which spawned a million imitators. Other big ones were Scream ('bout as big as it gets), Bedtime Story, Devil's Haircut, Hella Good, Constant Craving and Cochise. That's all I can think of.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 6:11 a.m. CST

    We got the Wolf Man back from Stephen Sommers...

    by HarryBlackPotter

    How about Universal now give us a proper Dracula and then a proper Frankenstien movie!!!

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 6:14 a.m. CST

    Ain't nothing wrong with CG...

    by ApneicMonkey

    you fat hypocritical cunt. Isn't one of your new favourite movies 300? It's fucking built on CG! Disclaimer: I'm under the influence at the moment and would not usually give 2 shits about Harry's hypocricy but tonight, that just really pissed me off!

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 6:16 a.m. CST

    I just finished texting Benicio del Toro

    by CTU Mole

    He said he'll flip ya. Flip ya for real.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 6:41 a.m. CST

    The Romanek DVD

    by DirkD13"

    Is it from the same series as the Jonze/Gondry/Cunningham ones?<p>Thanks for the info Allie and half vader, and to DocPazuzu, I can't think of a more perfect fit for an Alien film than Chris Cunningham. I'm shivering just thinking of Window Licker or Rubber Johnny.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 6:47 a.m. CST

    he also directed...

    by the_man_from_Rio

    linkin park's faint. the one with the band performing onstage in front of spotlights. cool video, following the same style where the camera lens catures the lights and shadows, hehe, seriously, wtf was that?

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 6:49 a.m. CST

    Half Vader, I HATE Seven!

    by DerLanghaarige

    But I hate every film that starts that great and becomes after less than 45 minutes a bad episode of 'Profiler' (And yes, I know that Seven came first.).<br> BTW, I love Fight Club! But as long as I don't know how much of it was re-written by Walker, I don't count it as one of 'his' films.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 6:50 a.m. CST


    by DerLanghaarige

    Yes, it's from the same series. For any reason the other DVDs that came out one or two years later didn't get the attention of the first three. :P

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 7:07 a.m. CST

    Nonsensical mess of CGI, Harry?

    by Frijole

    You mean like Van Helsing?

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 7:14 a.m. CST

    i just finished sending smoke signals to Andrew Walker

    by triplefive

    uhhhhh...i got nuthin. this movie sounds sweet.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 7:15 a.m. CST

    Walker's "8MM" script was GREAT...

    by Frijole

    The shitstorm that Schumacher and Cage churned out was QUITE a different animal. Read the original script.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 7:26 a.m. CST

    This makes perfect sense...

    by Anna Valerious

    Yet don't slam the Sommersverse. I have a spot in my heart for Will Kemp. But, Benicio and "hairy" go together perfectly.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 7:36 a.m. CST

    Old school, old school, old school....

    by Gunslinger1919

    Just bring in Rick Baker or some other makeup genius. DON'T LET THIS BE DONE AS A CG. Please!!!!!! CG will just kill this like a silver bullet. --G

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 7:41 a.m. CST

    Great, just what the world needs...

    by Sledge Hammer

    ...more self aware overacting from Benicio Del Toro. You know, when he's cast well he can deliver the goods, sure, but far too often, especially during these past few years, it's been way too many visits to that particular well of off the wall del toro schtick. I forsee nothing but pain from his casting here. I can almost see every over-exagerated off kilter beat he's going to hit already. Hopefully I'm wrong, and he'll surprise me, but we'll see.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 7:56 a.m. CST

    American Werewolf in London is 26 years old

    by MontyPigeon

    And still reigns as the best change of any man to wolf. F**k CG and all it stands for.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 8:14 a.m. CST


    by DirkD13"

    Did they ever do a DVD of Johnathan Glazer's stuff? He is right up there with the others.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 8:16 a.m. CST

    I just got off phoning a whore

    by Bill Fairbanks

    cost me 35 euros though :(

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 8:23 a.m. CST

    Did anybody ever read

    by thefreeagents

    The Wolf's Hour by McCammon? I always thought that if it was done right, that would be the most kick-ass werewolf movie of all time. That being said, I think this one will be all kinds of awesome.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 8:26 a.m. CST


    by CTU Mole

    Unless this is an indy film, there's no way the studio suits are going to let them make a werewolf movie without a shitload of 1's and 0's on the screen.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 8:48 a.m. CST

    The Wolf's Hour

    by Prof. Brainiac

    thefreeagents - I agree that McCammon's book would be cool to see up on the screen. That being said, I truly hope that they can do this remake justice. The original is my all-time favorite Universal monster flick, and I'm greatly looking forward to seeing this. Benicio Del Toro definitely has the acting chops to pull off the tragedy of Larry Talbot's situation.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 8:59 a.m. CST

    Werwolves on Wheels

    by CarmillaVonDoom

    Just had to say that for some reason.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 9:04 a.m. CST

    I saw the werewolf...

    by Childe Roland

    ...drinking a pina colada at Trader Vic's. And his hair was perfect. Much like this casting.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 9:04 a.m. CST

    Yeah, Andrew Kevin Walker has done far too little...

    by DanielKurland

    Last I remember hearing about him was thaat his Batman Vs. Superman movie wasn't being done. And who was the supposed director? WOLFgang Peterson. Coincidence? Yes.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 9:12 a.m. CST


    by Frijole

    I really like that book but McCammon has this tendency to write love scenes really poorly. His descriptions border Fabio-World. I also didn't buy the plane painting nonsense... Other than that, I thought it was great fun. Especially the train.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 9:29 a.m. CST

    DirkD, they DID.

    by half vader

    In the second series. Right there with the others.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 9:36 a.m. CST

    I wish my dad owned munitions factories

    by torontoxic

    Then I could go to Hollywood director school of super greatness too. <P> Setting that aside, the man does some good work. His NIN videos are fantastic. Still... I'd have been more pumped to hear Tarsem was on this.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 9:38 a.m. CST

    Were there any mexicans in Victorian England?

    by Argentino

    Because, you know, Benicio plays the lead role? Is the character going to be british anyway? Not complaining here, just asking. He's a great actor and I'm sure he'll be awesome.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 9:49 a.m. CST

    Anyone seen this?

    by Spartacus Hughs

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Rick Baker=Good


    Rob Bottin=Better

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 10:11 a.m. CST

    Return to the BigTop

    by purplemonkeydw

    I guess it was Benicio's role as DogBoy in Big Top Pee Wee that really put him over the edge for this one, count me in as excited.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 10:46 a.m. CST

    Spartacus Hughs

    by Argentino

    Look awesome! How come we didn`t hear about this D-War movie all this long?

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 10:46 a.m. CST



    This is great. Benicio Del Toro fucking ROCKS and it'll be nice to see a new werewolf flick that DOESN'T involve wire-fu or gay euro-trash vampires or shitty CGI transformations. Color me thrilled to the gills.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 11:20 a.m. CST

    Harry and the stupid myopic cg hataz (almighty rant)

    by half vader

    Will you melodramatic anti-cg overreactionary types settle down? I don't want to neccessarily be the cg advocate here but I always end up playing devil's advocate because you guys are so dim and biased about it. Is there a load of crap cg out there? Sure. But maybe you're not old enough to remember there was the same ratio of garbage animatronic/prosthetic/puppetry/matte painting/comping/whatever work to great stuff being done in the 'old days'. Also, Yoda ALWAYS walked like a puppet (if he walked at all) and the lipsync was ALWAYS lousy. Jeff Goldblum ALWAYS looked covered in latex in The Fly, Harryhausen's creatures ALWAYS looked like stop-motion as did the monster at the end of Carpenter's The Thing and the Alien ALWAYS looked like a guy in a suit (first flick) not some humanoid but unarguably extraterrestrial creature. <p> Does that mean they weren't all incredible designs and fantastic achievements? Hell no (I worship those artists)! - But it's so damn hypocritical to willingly suspend your disbelief for these films where you're constantly aware of the limitations of the technology (not only that but just like stunt sequences they usually force the style of filming to be changed to accomodate the tech, which is arse-backwards) but not accord cg the same leeway. Be fair or stop whining like 5-year-olds. <p> You're going to see a lot of lousy cg for the next decade until a generation of directors come through who don't treat it as a novelty and an accompanying generation of writers come through who don't limit their imagination because of the crutch "we can't film that". Not to mention a generation of non-lazy producers who don't just leech off the work that's already been done for them (comics/interesting writing with arresting visuals). Even the technological debate itself is stupid and redundant. Mostly they're self-defeating because they say that the new tech's idiosyncracies are inferior - to the old tech's idiosyncracies! Generally they say they much prefer things like for example film grain (let me ignore film's other superior qualities for a second just to make a point) - which is a side-effect of chemical technology and not only that most directors have embraced its absence as soon as the next fine-grained/more 'grainless' stock came along! There's so much subjectivity and not enough objectivity both here and in the industry itself but it should always comes down to who's using the tools (new or old) and how well, and does it suit the tone of the film or the context of the scene. I've even had a few directors come to me and say, "But I've heard storyboarding sucks the life out fo a film". Sure, if the director is lousy and lets it overwhelm them or the board artist is lousy and can't board in the appropriate cinematic 'language'. Hitchcock didn't make crappy flicks because he boarded them so much! - An appropriate analogy for the current 'morphing of the noughties' pre-vis, or digital effects in general. I'm a bit surprised Romanek is anti in that statement. I know he'll shoot the shit out of it and it will look incredible but man, don't cut off your nose to spite your face. Somers is a fuckwit with his locked-on cg crazycam (it's not the cg that 'made' him do that move) and I know people are using that lazy reference because it's just the closest but look at stuff like say Children of Men where it's used sparingly and almost invisibly to help performance or Eternal sunshine where cg is completely in service to the tone and context of the scene. Or Phil Tippett's stuff where he went straight from being a stop-motion guy to being/running instantly one of the best cg studios because of his eye for detail, performance and design. It's great when the disciplines are combined like real miniatures and cg environments, or cg characters and miniature sets. If I have to say something about the new Star Wars movies, most of you didn't realise they used more miniatures in Ep.1 than the whole original trilogy! Which has nothing to do with the movie's general 'worth'. <p> As far as makeup goes at least the genius Rick Baker has some perspective on the whole thing. Like he says, the big limitation with makeup is that it's an additive process. You can't subtract from the face to gouge out a skeletal character or have a gaping hole or change the eyeline without long-way 'round tricks and complications that get in the way of the actual designand performance. Now Baker accomplished miracles in the same way as the Zen master Harryhausen knew which way the limbs of 5 different skeletons were moving or whether Medusa's multiple snakes were going fast or slow in his one-take wonders. Baker made an African-American guy into an old Jewish fella, and for crying out loud he took a guy with a big nose like Tim Roth and made him look ilke a squash-nosed ape! But he couldn't help the dark rims around the eyes of the Richard Simmons character from the black skin next to the eyeballs, and he sure would have loved to have some negative space to make Jack's (American Werewolf) disintegration more effective. I'm sorry to put words in his mouth like that but I hope I'm on the money there. <p> Many of you might not know that he's been fooling around with 3d sculpting for a while now and let me tell you it didn't take him long to overtake many techy-types because he's interested in the important stuff like composition and design and what cg can add to the process, not cg for it's own sake. Look at The Frighteners, where he used some great old-school tricks (the jawbone) combined with a bit of new stuff (the torso) to create something with personality and freedom of movement. Remember when he lost an oscar because the Academy didn't consider animatronics should be part of the Makeup Artists arsenal? Never mind the achievement!! That's how a lot of you guys sound. Like the Academy. It's ALL illusion. <p> Like I mentioned way back up the thread, I'm geeking out just hoping he'd do it (and I'm not trying to infer he is or may in any way) 'cause I reckon he'd use the old approach and supplement it with the new tech. to go beyond what he achieved in AW and blow everyone's socks off once again. <p> Don't limit your horizons people. <p> P.S. Sorry for the big rant but if you guys can whinge about it then I can too. Every now and then I need to get it off my chest - but 4.30am means time for bed!

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 11:23 a.m. CST

    Shoulda probably taken 'stupid' out of the subject line

    by half vader

    but not myopic. Man, writing it in the tiny box you just don't realise how long these things get. Oh Well.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 11:33 a.m. CST

    And added 'to' at the start.

    by half vader

    Torture, Bottin's a tricky one if you mean for this project, as his working for Baker an American Werewolf, taking the bladder ideas and using them wholesale on Howling (which caused them to have a falling-out) makes it a bit politically insensitive for him to take on something like this. I'm sure he's aware of that. I'm not saying he's not brilliant though.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 11:37 a.m. CST


    by PwnedByStallone

    Pull my finger.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 11:37 a.m. CST

    The Wolf Man = Been there, done that

    by Mr Incredible

    Underworld, Blood and Chocolate, Cursed, The Howling, Silver Bullet, American Werewolf In London and Paris, etc. What new twist could they possible bring to this? Hollywood is out of ideas, period.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 11:58 a.m. CST

    half vader - right on

    by arctor

    CG is a tool. period. If it's used well the audience will never notice/care, if it's used badly (which is most of the time these days) it will ruin a film...those who automatically hate anything CG are either ignorant or assholes...or both.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 12:05 p.m. CST

    No CG? GREAT!!! Sick to death of CGI werewolves.

    by riskebiz

    CGI werewolves always look fake, no matter how well they are done. They don't look real ... which makes them less frightening. Van Helsing was the nadir of CGI monsters and I'm glad this movie isn't going that route. HOWEVER ... I wouldn't want the severe minimalistic approach they used for Jack Nicholson's WOLF, either. Something more classsic like Chaney Jr.'s is just the ticket. I did like the animatronic werewolves from the original HOWLING, though. Anyway ... yeah, I like the idea of a more Universal Monster-look approach. That's what Van Helsing sorely lacked. I want my Vampires and Werewolves to not be CGI.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 12:05 p.m. CST

    Harry I hope

    by kilik777

    I hope you dont listen to all these cocksuckers that dont do anything but bash you day after day, but still they all come to the site that you created.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 12:16 p.m. CST

    THANK GOD! Enough of the CGI 'MUMMY' Crap.

    by uberman

    I am in love with the classic monsters. This is GREAT news. And that the guy hates CGI is even better. The BEST monsters, From ALIENS to THE THING to THE CREATURE FROM THE BLACK LAGOO to AMERICAN WEREWOLF IN LONDON are all absent CGI for their creature. This broods well. Now, if we can only save THE CREATURE from some Stephen Sommers shitfest.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 12:16 p.m. CST

    THANK GOD! Enough of the CGI 'MUMMY' Crap.

    by uberman

    I am in love with the classic monsters. This is GREAT news. And that the guy hates CGI is even better. The BEST monsters, From ALIENS to THE THING to THE CREATURE FROM THE BLACK LAGOO to AMERICAN WEREWOLF IN LONDON are all absent CGI for their creature. This broods well. Now, if we can only save THE CREATURE from some Stephen Sommers shitfest.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 12:30 p.m. CST

    Half Vader:


    What ever happened with Baker & Bottin 25 years ago,give or take,is really between them and probably was ironed out years ago.Who knows?Me?I prefer Bottin's design work and believe that his work on The Thing is one of if not the high water mark for practical animatronic special effects. I also firmly believe that great practical effects are better than the best CGI anytime.There are almost ALWAYS issues wih bad perspective,too slick of movement,and the lack of the illusion of weight.A real presence on set (MAN IN SUIT!)negates those problems.It also gives actors something to work with other than a tennis ball on a stick,helping them to give a better performance as well. Yes,CGI is a tool but if you ask me it should be used more often in conjunction with practical effects to compliment and enhance them rather than the unnecessary over use as a substitution.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Half Vader:


    What ever happened with Baker & Bottin 25 years ago,give or take,is really between them and probably was ironed out years ago.Who knows?Me?I prefer Bottin's design work and believe that his work on The Thing is one of if not the high water mark for practical animatronic special effects. I also firmly believe that great practical effects are better than the best CGI anytime.There are almost ALWAYS issues wih bad perspective,too slick of movement,and the lack of the illusion of weight.A real presence on set (MAN IN SUIT!)negates those problems.It also gives actors something to work with other than a tennis ball on a stick,helping them to give a better performance as well. Yes,CGI is a tool but if you ask me it should be used more often in conjunction with practical effects to compliment and enhance them rather than the unnecessary over use as a substitution.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 12:34 p.m. CST

    Wolfman movie will embolden the terrorists

    by Snikkar124


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  • Feb. 8, 2007, 12:51 p.m. CST

    Wolf's Hour

    by Gunslinger1919

    thefreeagents...yup...freakin awesome book...too bad McCammon "retired" from writing...that was a terrific book as was Boy's Life (not to be confusied with This Boy's Life). Another awesome werewolf story was The Skin Trade by George RR part of it was the chick who was in a wheel chair, but when she transforms she has use of her legs so she can GET IT ON...yeah baby...! --G

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 12:45 p.m. CST

    Wolfman got NARDS!

    by jrbarker

    Someone had to say it.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 1:22 p.m. CST

    I hope he hates the "shaking camera", too.

    by JackPumpkinhead

    Christ, whenever I see the "closeup - shaking camera" idiocy that is supposed to be "realistic", I want to murder someone. How much better the Moria fight would have been in FotR if it was filmed in a wide shot and a camera that didn't have epilepsy? And what a piece of shit "Dirty Harry" would've been if the scenes of Harry running through the city were shot with the "shake cam"? May he never film a single scene (especially Wolfman's POVs during the inevitable chases) with that damn view...

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 1:28 p.m. CST

    why isn't Romanek's "Static" (1985) out on DVD yet?

    by beamish13

    Co-written and starring Keith Gordon, it's a really interesting film with an eclectic soundtrack not dissimilar from what Gordon uses in his own films as a director. Romanek seems to have disowned it, which is a shame as it shows the beginnings of a very singular vision at work.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 1:23 p.m. CST

    If I may add to JackPumpkinheads request...



  • Feb. 8, 2007, 1:31 p.m. CST

    I agree that people rag on CGI too much

    by CTU Mole

    It is over used but when it's used right, it works. People have no problems with obviously fake puppets and stop motion but give no leeway at all to CGI. The problem is that it's over-used, not its existence.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Sounds good NOW, but the studio will ruin it

    by Doctor_Sin

    Because they don't fucking care. Remember - the Rusted Out Ecto-1. They.Don't.Care.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Breaking News! Anna Nicole Smith is dead!

    by Borgnine JR

    She left us a great film legacy to remember her by.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Anna Nicole Smith drops dead...

    by PwnedByStallone

    world mourns

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Who else preferred it when Harry wasn't getting laid?

    by Floyd_Dylan

    Back in the 90s he was on here every night, filling us in with what was going on around the movie world, reviewing films, but now he spends most of the time using his fingers inside his girlfriends pussy than he does on his keyboard. BRING THE OLD HARRY KNOWLES BACK!!!! And also change that damn animation, it's old!!!

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 2:52 p.m. CST


    by PwnedByStallone

    What he said. Word.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 3:33 p.m. CST

    Werewolf CG sucks. Here's a list of flops that used it

    by hallmitchell

    Van Helsing, Cursed , American Werewolf in Paris. All used CG werewolves and they sucked. I said to the guy who did the CG on Van Helsing you should have used actors in a suit. He laughed in my face. As Michael Bay would say - Look at the box office.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 3:44 p.m. CST


    by The_Jack_Sack

    Howard K Stern Gotta Eat

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 4:09 p.m. CST

    hallmitchell sums it up nicely

    by Doctor_Sin

    "Remember Van Helsing" should be the battle cry of this Wolfman movie.<p> However, based on how Universal wants their properties treated lately, I doubt they will care enough to stick with traditional depictions. I hope they prove me wrong.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 4:18 p.m. CST

    Anna Nicole Smith TB delayed while Harry sues TrimSpa

    by Doctor_Sin

    It'll show up soon.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 4:59 p.m. CST


    by BannedOnTheRun

    How serious can Harry's interest in this film be when he only made one "wet dream" reference?

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 5:01 p.m. CST

    I've Read This Script

    by FlyingGuillotine

    Harry's right, it's fantastic. Character-driven, very moody, bloody and violent as hell. It's closer to a Victorian-era American Werewolf in London than anything else. I can't wait to see the finished product.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 5:23 p.m. CST

    I'd love to read the script

    by Doctor_Sin

    The Victorian-era setting is what keeps me interested. And a little hopeful. As long as Universal listens to horror aficionados (and not just the kids who go see This Week's Scary Movie), it could be great. I just want to hedge my bets after Van Helsing.<p>Maybe , if it is good, Universal will think about some other 'period' horror flicks?<p>Can someone please erase the travesties of "Mary Shelley's Frankenstein" and "Bram Stoker's Dracula" by actually FILMING THE BOOKS?

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 6:05 p.m. CST

    Should star Christian Bale and Anthony Hopkins

    by Drath

    And be set right after the First World War. Oh if only I could make the movies, they wouldn't suck in my head!

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 6:12 p.m. CST

    There is a Glazer dvd!!

    by AshesOfDonnie

    totally worth your bucks. not many vids but each one is great. Massive Attack, Radiohead, Blur, Nick Cave, and that Jamiroquai video. but the commercials he has on ther are also breathtaking. the guiness ads, the sam l. jackson insurance ads. totally worth buying or renting on netflix~!

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 7:24 p.m. CST

    Not a fan of CGI but

    by Kenny8

    ..the werewolf in Doctor Who was pretty cool....and nasty as hell

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 7:52 p.m. CST

    Hello Harry, I'm Chris Hansen of CNBC's Dateline...

    by Uncle Stan

    I won't at all be surprised when your ass shows up on Perverted Justice, Dough-Boy.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 8:18 p.m. CST


    by Hella

    I dont like people playin on my phone......

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 8:35 p.m. CST

    Torture, Ganymede, Ashes, Childe, Pumpkinhead

    by half vader

    Ganymede, Baker IS using cg to extend his brilliant work. And if you count 2d cg as well, he's been using it for many years. Remember too that using cg to model superior mechanisms has had a good impact on animatronics as well. <p> Childe that rocked. Not sure too many of the kids got it though. <p> Ashes. Yeah, part of the 2nd series, like I said up there (not in the monster one). <p> Jack, even camera shake is appropriate but yeah it rivals stupid use of cg at the moment. It was appropriate and used in the right context in United 93, but the same director went way overboard in the Bourne movie. The one scene in Batman begins where the bad guys are supposed to be disoriented and taken by surprise was appropriate, but after that not so much. 'In the trenches' war stuff? Sure. See? Context & tone, baby. It's not camera shake as a technique that's the problem, it's the stupid overuse of it. <p> Torture, I almost agree with you, and you're right that Bottin is a genius and is right there with Smith and Baker. Even his 'simple' stuff for Fincher is incredible and The Thing is just mindblowing (with a sense of humour!). Fair enough on the Baker/Bottin thing. It was a long time ago, and yeah I hope they've made up, but I've just never read anywhere that they've buried the hatchet which is why I thought it was pertinent. Anyway, I was surprised no-one said "Man in Suit!" earlier! <p> Not sure what you mean about perspective issues. CG can match a camera lens and perspective better than old school matte paintings ever could. Projection mapped digital paintings or digital set extentions are a fantastic inbetween that use the strengths of both. Is this what you were talking about? As for too slick of movement, it's not the cg that 'makes' it that way. I thing you're blaming the medium itself for the artist's work. It's the animator, and the same thing can be applied to traditional 2d animation, or the opposite problem applied to stop-motion and animatronics (which IS a problem inherent in those technologies that must be overcome). E.T. was phenominal, but you can't deny there was a lot of super-mechanical stuff going on which was just as obvious as slippery 3d. As for sense of weight, well sure the weight of it's own construction, but not necessarily the appropriate mass the creature should actually have. Besides this is an almost redundant argument when you factor in the lack of full body movement, which is every bit the millstone for animatronics that ease of movement is for 3d. No way does it negate the problems. The emphasis and problems themselves are just a bit different. The 'ball on a stick' thing is a bit redundant too. They're actors right? I don't care whether it's a old-fashioned comped-in stop-motion dragon or a digital beast, there's something wrong when an actor can't use their IMAGINATION. It's so much harder? What, like acting on stage? Please (directed at actors, not you). The issues of giving a good performance are just as relevant for the often multiple takes required by an animatronic character and all the technical issues on set can make it just as hard for the actor to give a good take, They might not have to imagine it, but they do have to maintain a sense of spontaneity which can be 'hard' over 30 takes. Both can lead to an uncovincing performance. <p> I completely agree about using the best of both/all worlds. The reality is that there are economies of scale and practicality, script requirements & scheduling etc. But you're right, it is the best. Thanks for the intelligent comments mate.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 9:59 p.m. CST

    Toy Story 3 For 2009!!

    by kuguy3000

    Hey guys!! Toy Story 3 Confirmed for 2009!! Fully-fianced PIXAR film!! It's being written by the "Little Miss Sunshine" guy!! Can you believe it? Pixar won!<br> <br> Check it out!!

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 10:04 p.m. CST

    Hello,again HalfVader!


    I agree with you.I guess I maybe came off sounding like a CGI hater.CGI CAN be a good and necessary thing where practical effects just stop being practical(like LOTR & King Kong).I suppose my real problem is the lack of good CGI artists out there.Maybe there's just not enough good teachers out there.A good CGI artist should 1st and foremost be a good artist.It seems often times they (the artists) rely on computer programs for too much.So yes,I do believe that CGI can be beneficial even necessary to some films,but until great CGI artists become the norm and not the exception I will be wary.And for the record:There has NEVER been even a passable CGI werewolf. To briefly touch upon the old school guys for a moment.For my money,it was always Rick Baker for the realistic animals(Greystoke,etc.) and character make ups(Coming to America,etc.),Bottin for the great innovative design work(the great and mighty J.C.'s The Thing)and creatures(The Howling),Tom Savini for the gore(F13th,Maniac,etc.),Stan Winston for animatronics (and the best damn ALIENS),and last,but,certainly not least the Almighty Dick Smith who fans of sci-fi and horror and special effects artists everywhere owe a HUGE debt of gratitude for his pioneering work in the field.There was a time when those guys were like rock stars.I miss those days.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 10:19 p.m. CST


    by Osmosis Jones

    Remember that Renny Harlin movie that was supposed to have werewolves on a lunar space station?

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 10:25 p.m. CST

    AMAZON Werewolves on the Moon...


    the will be no more commercial interruptions.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 10:27 p.m. CST

    An American Werewolf on the Moon...


    there will be no more John Landis humorous interruptions.See You Next Wednesday!

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 11:19 p.m. CST

    Well Harry I agree with you.

    by AllPowerfulWizardOfOz

    This sounds awesome. Truly a movie that I am waiting to see now. Nothing beats doing things the old school way. To be honest I am tired of CG bullshit. Even when it comes to sci-fi movies. I miss the days of models and puppets. For me it made it more real. Sure I enjoyed LOTR and honestly the CGI did work for that movie and did so very well but look at the horror of the Star Wars prequels. They fucking blow because of the wooden acting and terrible terrible CGI. Wish more directors would go back to the old school the way Romanek does.

  • Feb. 8, 2007, 11:23 p.m. CST

    Speaking of "See You Next Wednesday"...


    Somebody tell Tarantino and Rodriguez to get ahold of Landis to make a trailer for it for GRINDHOUSE.

  • Feb. 9, 2007, 12:45 a.m. CST

    Just Rambling

    by Maegnarval

    They could bring in Courtland Hull & Tom Savini, to help on the F/X to you know!

  • Feb. 9, 2007, 5:15 a.m. CST

    Great idea Torture Pwn

    by DirkD13"

    Landis needs to do something good! Man I wish he was back on top of his game.

  • Feb. 9, 2007, 8:13 a.m. CST

    And the Wolf Man turns out to be...

    by genro

    Jack The Ripper. It's a good idea, much better than the approaches for Mummy 3, Dracula: Year Zero or Eisner's Creature From The Black Lagoon. I give De Luca credit for trying to revitilize the Uni Monsters, but he's lost his way as to what made him great at New Line - STOP PANDERING TO TEENS! Wait and see how old Dracula is...I can only imagine what's in store for Frankenstein, probably a rehash of Flatliners.

  • Feb. 9, 2007, 12:01 p.m. CST

    See you next Wednesday...

    by half vader

    You in-joker you! <p> I just read in MakeUp Artist that Steve Johnson has either retired or had to close up shop (couldn't tell from the article). Too bad, as he/his team did some fantastic stuff. Weren't they the ones that did all the early tests and stuff on The Hulk (cg hataz love to ignore that they tried the old way and it didn't work for that one)? Or maybe it was Gillis and Woodruff. Or maybe it was KNB. Can you remember? <p> Yeah I miss those days too. The guys you listed are all incredible (as in super great, not as in 'not credible'). <p> Unless I missed it, I'm amazed no-one has said WEREWOLVES GOTTA EAT yet. 'Cause they do!

  • Feb. 9, 2007, 1:23 p.m. CST

    Half Vader:


    No I don't remember who was working on The Hulk.Sorry.I do seem to remember hearing something about Steve Johnson closing up shop,though I don't remember the specifics.That's a damn shame.Steve has a hell of a lot of talent.And since I'm on roll giving shout outs to the old schoolers,other great talents who don't get enough recognition would be Carl Fullerton,Chris Walas,Kevin Yagher(I have an old issue of Fangoria where a young,pre-fame K.Y.won a(I think)"Draw the Creature"contest)and Tony Gardner.It's not very often you get the chance to talk about these guys anymore.Anyone wanting to get into the biz would do well to check out these guys' work.Granted,some are still working today but I think they deserve a shoutout even if it's the 216th post on a Wolfman talkback.

  • Feb. 9, 2007, 3:23 p.m. CST

    Yay the shoutout

    by half vader

    Don't forget good ol' Greg Cannom! <p> And of course trailblazers William Tuttle, Jack Pierce and John Chambers. Hopefully the supposedly anti-cg posers (as in all the ones who proved my point about ignorant bashing) in this thread know exactly who those 3 guys are.

  • Feb. 9, 2007, 11:42 p.m. CST

    Oh Shit!


    Greg Cannom!I knew I left some people out,but I actually was thinking of him until I got sidetracked!Yes,Chambers ad Tuttle!And let us not forget Roy Ashton and Stuart Freeborn.Jack Pierce,what more can be said about HIS greatness.If it were not for Jack's incredible Universal Monsters I doubt I would even BE interested in the "fantastique"(to use Clive Barker's term).And here's a little shout out to the stop-motion guys Jim Danforth,David Allen,the legendary Ray Harryhausen,and his mentor and friend Willis O'Brien.

  • Feb. 10, 2007, 3:44 a.m. CST

    Ha! This is fun!

    by half vader

    The rest of the whingers have left but good on ya Torture - you leaving Canom out? What about my egregious ommision of Freeborne? Whoa dude! Don't get me started on the stop-motion guys. There are the other American guys, the Brits and of course the Czechs...

  • Feb. 10, 2007, 12:36 p.m. CST

    I usually don't venture off the main page...


    I forgot about the "Cool News"section a.k.a the Graveyard of Abandoned Talkbacks.I must admit my knowledge of the stop-motion guys is fairly limited to the guys I mentioned earlier.Now that truly is a disappearing artform.Kind of sad.I would really enjoy one last blast from Harryhausen doing either a new Sinbad or another Greek mythology epic,ala Jason & the Argonauts(love those skeletons!).And speaking of egregious omissions,how the hell did I not mention the almighty Lon Chaney Sr.!His Phantom is one of my favorite make-ups(not to mention movies)of all time,along with Pierce's Frankenstein and Wolfman make-ups.Talk about dedication to ones craft!Omitting Lon in a conversation about make-up effects is like failing to mention Edison's contributions to the motion picture!And to TRULY get old school let's not forget Georges Melies.Who can forget the image of the"rocket in the eye"!

  • Feb. 11, 2007, 6:44 a.m. CST

    Thanks Torture

    by half vader

    Ah, I'm all misty-eyed. Wait! Must regain composure! Objectivity! I guess in the end the current crop of CG artists (as apart from the tech-head artists) need to realise they're standing on the shoulders of giants and must apply the same combination of logical and lateral thought (which is why guys like Dennis Muren shot straight to the front of digital achievement). No matter what tool (italicised) they use. The end.

  • Feb. 13, 2007, 1:15 p.m. CST



    ...and good night.