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SPIDER-MAN moving forward'
Ya know... sometimes I can just tell that a lot of people are excited about a piece of news that hit the wires on a certain day. So far, I've received over 240 forwarded articles that came on the AP wire yesterday saying that SPIDER-MAN was free of legal hells, and was now ready to move forward. The subject lines I was getting were along the lines of, "Hip Hip HOORAY, Today's A Great Day" to "James Cameron is GO on SPIDER-MAN!!!" to "Spider-Man Set To Start Production!!!!" to "Big News On Web-Slinger!"...
Well... For everyone that's curious you can read about it over at Variety and read the whole scoop. BUT... well... There are all sorts of additional questions that this raises. First of all, there is the FACT that what was settled was the MGM/SONY/MARVEL arguement... but that this does not take care of the VIACOM suit which is still set to go to court soon. In addition... unless 20th Century Fox enters into a producing partnership on SPIDER-MAN with SONY Corp. then it is unlikely that James Cameron's SPIDER-MAN will see the light of day, and instead as Cinescape stated, there is the possibility that SPIDER-MAN may become an Emmerich and Devlin property. If Emmerich and Devlin are involved, then it is most probable that SPIDER-MAN is at least a year from production because it most likely would be the project after their PATRIOT which is allegedly set to begin production this year... barring additional wrangling.
So that basically brings us to... WHAT HAPPENED TODAY? Well, things are progressing, but if anything... what happened may have put an even larger gap between James Cameron and SPIDER-MAN.... The film is still in the air... Until the Viacom dispute is settled, and Marvel and Sony announce they have a script, director and lead actor.... Well, you'd be best off staring at the cobwebs in that corner of your room.
Personally... if I were Sony/AMY PASCAL... I'd be giving BILL MECHANIC a call, then giving our dear Mr Cameron a call. Because... well... isn't that what we all want to hear?
So that basically brings us to... WHAT HAPPENED TODAY? Well, things are progressing, but if anything... what happened may have put an even larger gap between James Cameron and SPIDER-MAN.... The film is still in the air... Until the Viacom dispute is settled, and Marvel and Sony announce they have a script, director and lead actor.... Well, you'd be best off staring at the cobwebs in that corner of your room.
Personally... if I were Sony/AMY PASCAL... I'd be giving BILL MECHANIC a call, then giving our dear Mr Cameron a call. Because... well... isn't that what we all want to hear?
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I think that James Cameron is the worst thing that could happen to spiderman.
For christs sake, he may have made a popular film in Titanic,
but it was SHIT!
He can`t handle anything that requires acting or drama (NO, NOT ACTION, I KNOW HE CAN DO ACTION VERY WELL)
Spidey deserves someone who doesnt have such a huge ego,head up his own arse attitude.
Someone who wont call the film "James Cameron`s Spiderman"
Give it to Tim Burton, tell him to scare the hell out of the kiddies, give it to Tim Pope, tell him to go mad (sorry, forgot, he already is), give it to Jeunet and Caro.
Someone with a little creativity,
and sense of artistic integrity.
Spidey should be made.
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Though I'm a HUGE fan of Aliens, the Abyss, and the Terminator series, I can't see him directing Spider Man. He's got this thing about making properties his own. I doubt he would stick to the comic's rouge gallery (what was this algamated villin thing we were hearing a while back), and I seriously doubt he would respect the original material. Probably intended to put Mary Jane as a love interest. IN THE FIRST ACT. It doesn't seem right to me...
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Yes, you heard it here. First off, the studios won't allow this to be made correctly. They'll want to bring in somebody like Jet Li for fight scenes, and cast people like Leonardo DeCraprio for Peter Parker. This will just not do. If they stick close to the origin story - which they won't - Spider-Man in costume won't even show up till the last 45 minutes or half hour of the film. Look, here's how it should be done. Well, I don't have the time to get into a synopsis, but I'll abbreviate. The opening scene should be Dr. Octavius's transformation into Doc Octopus. (Yes, Doc Oc should be the first villain. And don't cast Schwarzenegger either. Cast someone like Spacey, or Al Pacino - yes you heard right.) Then roll opening creds, and get to Peter Parker into his home and school life. My pick for casting would be someone like Elijah Wood. Interplay scenes of Parker's life with Doc's nefarious plan to (fill in blank). Do the spider bite scene, and Peter's subsequent power shift. Then have him try to make a quick buck on the wrestling circuit. This scene could be played for laughs - even cast a known wrestler like Stone Cold or Goldberg and watch his as get pummeled by a teen. Show the crook robbing the wrestling payroll, or something, and Peter doing his best to ignore him. Finally, as Doc Oc's plan comes to fruition, show the crook murdering Uncle Ben, Peter capturing him and coming tothe realization that "great power comes great responsibility", a lesson that Doc Oc never learns. And Peter putting on the costume and setting rights right after seeing Doc Oc on television and stopping him. Ends with Spidey saving the day and swinging off into the sunset. All the minor and major characters could be introduced throughout the film. If done right, the setup would pay off nicely for sequel possibilities. But it won't be. Personally, Kevin Smith should just bite the bullet and do Daredevil.
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I don't give two hoots to who directs it so long as its not Emmerich and Devlin or Joel Schumacher otherwise the plot will be crap and spidey will be climing up new york buildings in some sort of flourecent coloured costume! I think the film should be a trilogy where you place the charactors like doc oc and eddie brock (pre venom) and then using a stroy arc show how they change like in the venum saga (on fox). I beleive spidey should fight doc oc first - start with holigans/ basic criminals then the olde octopus /possibly electro as well then introduce green goblin / sandman or hobgoblin in the secound film before releasing eddie brock into venum for his toughest battle against an equal opponent who also knows who he is. I don't think the film should harp on for 45 minutes how he got to be who he is it sould open with a bank job alarms ringing out then the criminals thinking they got away with it look up at the ceiling and there he is upside down with some sort of clever retort like ' have you got an ID for this kinda withdrawl ?'.
This film could be cool if done right but too many of these films take too long establishing charactors and not enough time showing the film - i wouldn't want to see spiday in the spandex at the end of the film but right at the beginning of the film ! and hopefully not de-caprio but someother actor not neccessarily well known like zander(?) from buffy but a little more built.
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We're not going to see SpiderMan in our lifetime. Bold, ain't it? Well, it's true. Because Marvel was only aligned with a movie studio once (and an awful one at that, New World Pictures), they made really dumb mistakes with licensing rights. Then New World folded, nearly taking Marvel down with them. Even now, Marvel is barely staving off bankruptcy (for different reasons). Marvel still wrangled selling off rights to the lowest bidder, just to keep the capital coming. That's why we got such awful things like Captain America and Dolph Lundgren's The Punisher. No one say "Blade", please. Blade is such a peripheral character in the Marvel organization that no one knew it was a comic book movie. IT DOES NOT COUNT! There. I feel better. Anyway, the tantalizing idea of Cameron working on SpiderMan has fueled the fans for years. He's the director of the top grossing movie of all times (and, God, I hope Lucas knocks him off his perch soon). If he really wanted to do this, I think he would find a way to scoop Centropolis. No, he's gonna be too busy being exec. on T3, a stupid mistake in the making if you ask me, but where there's a buck to be made...
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Joel Schumacher Should never be considerd!! he messed up the last 2 Batman movies & 8MM was Crap...
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I sort of hoped that this movie would stay in legal hell. I don't want it to become "James Cammeron's Spider-Man." I read what he wanted to do with it, and it wasn't right. Then again, the thought of Emmerich and Devlin getting ahold of it make me want to vomit. *Why are they still letting these guys make movies!?*
Tim Burton on Spidey?! Spidey isn't supposed to be scary. I can't even think of anyone who I'd say is right for Spidey. Actually, now that I think of it, the best I can come up with is Richard Linklater...WHY!? you ask. Spidey needs to be a person before he becomes a hero. And the first movie needs to be about Peter becoming spider-man. Richard Linklater writes some of the best characters I think...and for a sequel...a movie all about Spider-man and Peter as a supporting cast memember...Robert Rodriguez because it needs to be fast paced and have major kick ass action. But, thats just my 2cents...and we all know that 2cents isn't worth shit these days.
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Why Doc Oc as the villain? He's only got those four mechanical arms which I could never figure out why Spidey couldn't just rip apart every time these two confronted one another.
I always thought the "original" Hobgoblin would be best (c. '83-'87 or so, when I began to lose interest in the stories)
Imagine the arial fight scenes.. Imagine how horrifying they could make Hobgoblin appear - his mask totally CGI.
Cameron could do it, technically. My onle real concern is that he'd make Peter Parker too "cool", a la John Connor (Eddie Furliong).
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While, it's great to finally have this settled, I'm really dreading what Sony has in stored for Spidey. I was really wishing that the rights would go to 20th Century Fox. To me Emmerich and Devlin would make a worse film then Shumacher. The use of one-liners and what they considered jokes in Godzilla made me dry heave in the theater. So just imagine what kind of crap they come up with when they handle Spiderman. I don't see why people are so down Cameron. After Titanic people slammed him for being involed in Spiderman but, after T2 and True Lies everyone wanted him to do it!!! I personally think that he could handle the material with respect much like Burton did with Batman and Donner did with Superman.
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The only way SPIDERMAN can succeed is if Cameron gets it. He's the only one who fits this type of mega-project. Lock and key. It won't take the truly detailed character development that X-MEN needs (although Cameron IS a very underrated writer himself), but the director definitely has what it takes to present Marvel's 'baby' in grand style. I do admit, however, that casting is crucial (I heard a rumor that Jim Carey wants in, I can only hope it's for the Green Goblin). Since Spidey is a superhero icon himself, I can only hope that the producers will take extra care in selecting a Peter Parker that works.
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One thing the director/writer must try to capture with the Spider Man film is the fun, energy and humor which were in the early issue of the Lee /Ditko collaboration. It doesn't have to be exactly the same situations since that was so long ago but the energy and flavor of the character has to be evident for folks to buy that this is THE Spider Man.The action and effects are only part of what makes Spider Man unique.
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James Cameron has said that he has NO desire to do Spiderman anymore. In the Y2K issue of Premiere he said he had lost interest in the project because he feels that at this stage in his career he should only do things that are his own creations. Basically after Titanics success he's decided that he's too smart to do someone elses work so instead he'll focus on either Terminator 2, True Lies 2, or Avatar. we can pretty much rule out his involvement, at least as director, of Planet of the Apes as well. Also guys I think we should definitely forget about Tim Burton, Arnie, and jack being involved in Spidey as they've already been involved with the OTHER major Super hero film out there. Don't you think Spiderman should be have its own fresh look and characters?
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All the elements are there for a really good movie, if Cameron gets it, though it's not at all clear he's interested any more. (Besides, isn't he FOX now?) 1) Parker's basically a kid running scared, even though he's a former nerd and wallflower... when he's in that suit he can do ANYTHING... until he meets the burglar (or Doc Ock in this case) 2) think of the chase scenes between Michael Biehn and Schwarzenegger - man vs. machine. Ock's got those scary metal arms... it's something Cameron can do. And do well. I have no qualms; Cameron can make MOVIES. I just hope he brings a good script editor along to cut out some of the melodrama he brought to the end of the Abyss and the Titanic. But what the hell? Comic Books ARE melodrama. I say, Jim, go for it. And give that Garo kid a break, maybe he deserves it.
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If you want to get the perfect combination for writing the story and playing Peter Parker, look at Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Joss Whedon is writing the kind of stories that made Spidey such a hit from the beginning. He has humor, action, and feeling in the characters. You "like" his heroes. That was always Spidey's strength to me. You liked him. He was fun and funny. He was also dependable and caring. Joss
Whedon knows how to write this, and he is already doing it with Xander. Xander is the only character with no special powers, yet he is always there to help his friends, risking his life to save anyone and everyone around him. He is also cast as the proverbial nerd that no one (other than his friends) appreciates. Even his friends don't see the real hero down inside him. Nicholas Brandon is able to pull off these two aspects of Xander perfectly. And that is Peter Parker/Spider-Man.
Since Joss Whedon is already writing for Nicholas Brandon, he could write a script that would shine.
As for the villian, cast Nicholas Cage as Norman Osborne/Green Goblin. He would be awesome as the villian, and maybe Warner Bros. would drop him as Superman.
As far as directing goes, I don't know. There are many people, given a good script and actor, that could do the job.
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First off i hated the first hour and a half of titanic. It sucked big time. How titanic won the academy award for best picture with awful acting by billy zane, kate winslet, and leo is beyond me . LA Confidential was so much better. But when it comes to action films cameron is tops and the last hour and half of titanic was cool. If cameron mad spiderman as cool as terminator 1 & 2 or aliens, who wouldn't be happy. Even as good as True Lies. No way show Emmerich and Devlin should be allowed anywhere near this film.
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this is the greatest day for spidey fans. We've been waiting for this for almost ten years. So what that cameron is not going to direct it. If anyone saw his script you'd say the same thing. Now that sony has the rights, my guess is that either kevin smith or robert roderigaz will make this film. the story will involve spidey's origin and the green goblin. As for a cast how about casey affleck(200 cigarettes) as peter parker/spider-man, kevin spacey as the green goblin, and nikki cox as mary-jane. All i can say is thank god.
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I would rather SPIDEY stay in legalimbo for another 100 years than to see it fall into the inept clutches of Dean "Superhack" Devlin and Roland "The Confused" Emmerich. Damn them both to the deepest level of Hades. They would butcher SPIDEY like they've butcher'd everything else those twits have touched. I am tired of seeing Dean Devlin gloat about how much of fanboy he is and how it's his dream to make (INSERT GREAT MOVIE CONCEPT HANDED TO A NO TALENT LIMPDICK). Shooomocker on BATS was one thing, cause the franchise was ruined from the first movie (the 1st BATMAN looked nice for a few minutes, but ultimately is a dogshit film)...but SPIDEY is virgin territory..and with great power comes blah blah blah...
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That space case shouldnt be allowed within a 100 yards of another superhero! Look what he did to Batman(A six foot two, 210 pound Batman was ridiculous in his eyes, yet a man falling into a vat of chemicals and coming out like a playing card wasnt? not to mention him falling from a building and leaving a crater!?!)!
No, if Spidey ever gets made I'll bet you that it gets ruined. Keep the super-villians out of it this time(although I would love to see them). It should be a straight version of the Amazing Fantasy #15...or if you must have your supervillian...how about this:
Start--a bank gets robbed in broad daylight. As the getaway car makes its..getaway...a red and blue demon is spotted in the rear view mirror--swinging on crazy threads. Really scary looking. The robbers freak.
When the police catch up to the robbers, they are found tied up in a web by the Brookln bridge. In the background we see Spidey swinging off.
The next day Peter Parker gets up for school, is picked on as usual, and is only mildly amused when Flash and the rest are talking about Spider-man's latest appearance. Some call him a freak, others call him cool, while others still laugh at his gay costume.
Peter goes home, and on the tv finds JJJ up to his usual Spider-man menace "rantics." But then--something startling happens--the super-villian(fill in the blank) disrupts a (fill in the blank) and Spider-man is challenged to appear.
Peter turns to his costume--which is lying sprawled on the bed--looking up at him in an almost mocking way.
Then Parker has the flashback(insert script version of Amaz. Fantasy #15). As it draws to its melancholy conclusion we understand why Parker is not cocky about his super powers, and then we see him leap out of the window ready to kick ass. Spidey fights the baddie, wins, and is once again JJJ's public menace and the butt of jokes in school.
Maybe Mary Jane appears at the end with a sympathetic comment so it isnt all hopeless for him.
End of story.
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Right on Mecha-Ghidora, I'm glad someone came out and said it. If Emmerich and Devlin had been given Spiderman after ID4 this lot would have loved it, the same as if Cameron had been given it before Titanic made $2bn and won all those oscars - some fiasco! [ ;) huggezzz]. Emmerich's a good action director [I believe the term is "solid" these days], he and Devlin just need to be kept away from the word processor. I mean come on, it ain't Proust. And what's all this moaning about Cameron wanting to change things. Grow up, it's a COMIC BOOK, if you want the characters exactly as they are, stick with the comics. No-one blinks twice these days when they completely restructure Henry James' Novels as movies, but heaven forbid they start trying to mess around with Spiderman! Face it, it'll be like The Avengers, it'll go to some faceless HACK (And the Avengers was originally with Nicholas Meyer, see what we missed?) Paul Anderson's looking for a job, so's Michael Bay - be afraid be very afraid. I'd like to see Cronenberg get the call. It could be a sequel to The Fly! -- I'll get me coat...
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why dont you geeks stop whining about Titanic and how terrible you thought the acting was in the first half of the movie. James Cameron **IS** a good director (not right for Spiderman I totally agree but...) If you guy bash the acting in Titanic then why dont you take some acting classes yourself???? GEESSSH!!!! I think its funny that MR OPINIONATED said he didnt want a "James Cameron's Spiderman" and then wanted Tim Burton. Um hello?? McFly??? DOES "Tim Burton's The Nightmare Before Christmas" sound FAMILIAR? James Cameron has never done the name game before, as far as I know (this doesnt mean he'll never do it but...) Tim Burton is wrong for this Project to..damnit, and all the actors listed above are HORRIBLY miscast....ugh JIM CARREY as GREEN GOBLIN???? LEO DICAPRIO as PETER PARKER????? ugh...gimme a friggin break...I have no suggestions as to who should direct or who should act in this turd. I really hope its good but I'll tell you WHY I think this movie wont be. Comic Book movies have been run into the ground for the last ten years (while Spiderman was in legal limbo). BATMAN(ruined by sequels), Punisher, Fantastic Four, Captain America, Superman(ruined by sequels), Hulk(TV), Wonderwoman(TV), and I know I'm missing some but the fact is, even the best comic book related movies have turned sour in the past ten years and by the time this movie gets made, it wont have an audience LEFT that CARES!! :O( McK
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Oh God, not Sony. PLEEEEEZE do not give this very valuble franchise to Devlin and Emmerich. All of their films to date have blew big time...YES, even ID4!
In Variety's story, they mentioned that the rights included Cameron's treatment and that they were going to contact him. The treatment is okay, but I prefer a completely faithful telling of the story. Cameron's played a little loose with the mythos.
The villain should be the Green Goblin, the girlfriend should be Gwen Stacey (NOT Mary Jane Watson; save her for the sequel).
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I have to say I've had that thought about Brandon as Spidey myself. The whole wise-ass factor was always my favorite aspect of the character, and Brandon has shown that he has that covered (he would have to bulk up a bit, at least after the first act). The notion of Whedon writing is also a good one. I don't think Cameron's bowing out is a great loss. Didja read about some of his concepts? He has Spidey gaining the ability to biologically create web and shoot it out of some sort of orifice in his wrist? Yikes! Who is this guy, David Cronenberg? (Although that might be another interesting way to go.)
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Now, I actually like Jim Cameron, Terminator 2, Aliens, two of my favorite movies of all times. Haven't seen Titanic, but I hear that (even though the story is sappy as a maple tree) it's quite good. I like Jim Cameron, he's a good director, and I'd be interested to see what he does with Spider Man.
However, I heard a rumor about Leonardo DiCaprio being involved with the Spider Man film. If he plays Peter Parker...Good god, if he plays Peter Parker I will go mad. It will be more horrible than George Clooney in that gimpy rubber suit. It will be more horrific than Ahnuld as Mr. Freeze. It will be more destructuve than when Coppola's daughter was in Godfather III. Good god, please let someone else play the friendly neighborhood wall crawler. -
I agree that at this point, Cameron would be wrong...as would Burton, Schumacher, Emmerich, Noyce.
As far as casting, DiCapprio could pull it off...if he got a crew cut and wore big-ass round glasses though the first half of the film. He's certainly scrawny enough. Back when this whole mess started ten years ago, I thought John Cusack would have been perfect to play Peter Parker. We need that type of ACTOR. I said ACT-or. There need to be drama in this sucker, not some mindless (but fun) Armeggedon-type action.
Can you tell I have strong feelings about this project?
Hell...my user name IS spider-man!!!
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Kate Winslet is one the finest actresses that YOU'll ever find yourself privledged enough to see. To say that her acting was 'awful' in ANYTHING she's done should (and unfortunatley it won't) discredit you from ever opening your mouth about ANY movie ever again. Your movie knowledge, I'm afraid, is 'nowhere' to be found.
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As for the crew of this movie, I am so afraid of Devlin/Emmerich. OK, I enjoyed "Stargate". A mindless, fun movie. "Independence Day" was quite possibly one of the worst films I've ever seen, and I enjoyed "Godzilla" somewhat though I enjoy it less and less with each viewing (I'm like a little Harry). Cameron? Great director, horrible writer of dialogue. But knowing ol' Oscar-winning Jim, he will only direct what he writes so we'll be stuck with sappy dialogue. I gotta say that a Joss Whedon scripted Spidey would be pretty ginchy. And as for Spider-Man himself? So far, the closest actor I can think of would be James Van Der Beek. He's got a decent build so he won't look laughable in the tights, but at the same time he pretty much plays Peter Parker on "Dawson's Creek". Constant girl troubles, problems with friends, he can never win. He can pull of geeky one minute and heroic the next. Granted, we may want to give the monkey a few acting classes and I still haven't seen him in anything other than "Dawson's" so I don't know how he'd do outside those mind-numbing Kevin Williamson scripts. But who else should be Spidey?
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Someone made mention of how well-made "Superman" was on account of Richard Donner. Then why not let him try his hand at Spidey? He's a great action directot who likes a dab of comedy in his films, and, with Christopher Reeve, made me believe a man could fly when I was a wee one. Also, why not let Kevin Smith try his hand at the script? Anyone who'd say he'd just fill it with boring dialogue and fart jokes pick up any given issue of his current Daredevil comics run and say it isn't some of the most emotional, dramatic, heart-wrenching, yet action-packed and suspenseful superhero stories ever told. And, he's a huuuge comic book fan, who's big on keeping things faithful to their original source. He could do it well. Someone above also mentioned Robert Rodriguez as director. No way!! He's great on action and with his cinematography, but he always lets his FX look like shit. And that can't be done in a fil that will rely on some good ones.
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I think Nicholas Brendon would be a good Spiderman. As for the comment about him being in good enough shape - hells bells, that can be taken care in a few months with a good personal trainer. I think there's plenty to work with there. Actors have been transforming themselves physically for roles forever.
I agree that this film should not fall to the Cameron/Emmerich/Devlin/Shoemacher's of the world. Robert Rodriguez along with Joss Whedon sound much better. If I have to view something that was such a horrid waste as Batman and Robin again, I don't think I can take it. I'll just keep watching "Batman Beyond" cartoons on Saturday and be done with it. But I do like the Xander as Spiderman idea. Then again, is this movie even really going to happen? -
I think Nick Brendon is a great idea. As for the comment about his physcial shape - that can be taken care of. Actors are always transforming themselves for the roles they take. Joss Whedon or Robert Rodriguez would be cool. I agree though - no Cameron/Devlin/Emmerich/Schumacher. I just couldn't another letdown like Batman and Robin. But seriously - will this even get made? In the meantime, I'm enjoying the new "Batman Beyond" cartoon. It's nice to see something different. (That could be a really cool movie with the right people.) ((Luc Besson directing?)) I'm daydreaming here. Sorry, lost my train!
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The time is finally here. Even if Star Wars 1 happens to pull off the #1 movie title out of its ass, this is the one that's going to knock it down. I agree with the people on here who say not to have it start with how he got his powers. Everyone who's going to see this movie knows how. Don't waste time rehashing old info. Do it like Batman and use flashbacks, or do it like Superman and make a 3 hour movie.
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I think Nick Brendon is a great idea. As for the comment about his physcial shape - that can be taken care of. Actors are always transforming themselves for the roles they take. Joss Whedon or Robert Rodriguez would be cool. I agree though - no Cameron/Devlin/Emmerich/Schumacher. I just couldn't stomach another fiasco like Batman and Robin. But seriously - will this even get made? In the meantime, I'm enjoying the new "Batman Beyond" cartoon. It's nice to see something different. (That could be a really cool movie with the right people.) ((Luc Besson directing?)) I'm daydreaming here. Sorry, lost my train!
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First off, I think Cameron is an exceptional director. With the exception of that crap-fest sell-out, TRUE LIES, he has yet to make a bad film. But he is also the biggest asshole in Hollywood. Did anyone read the Premiere article in which he stated that since "there is no profit in moviemaking, ticket prices should be doubled."? What a fucking prick! This greedy bastard makes more money off Titanic then most country's GNP and he says that? I will see any movie that Cameron makes, but when I do see it, I will (and I am suggesting to all of you that you do the same) NOT PAY FOR IT. Buy a ticket for a different movie when you see Cameron's next flick and show that fuck-head what "no profit" REALLY means! If everyone did that, imagine SPIDERMAN opening to packed houses and a $2.4 million opening weekend. Cameron deserves that. But I forgot, no one gives a shit about principles and as a result, we all live under the rule of the corporations and media who feast on the nation's apathy.
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Shoe-mocker - NO, Godzilla boys - No, Donner - too old, Rodriquez - NO,No,NO, Linklater - Nono, Burton - NO. Spidey needs to be given to a "young" director with plenty of experience. The atmosphere should not be dark and brooding, I've had enough of d&b garbage. The film should be a bit on the dark side but mostly reflecting a comic book style from the old days (70's and early 80's). Cameron, maybe. The actor who portrays the webslinger should look plain but be in great physical shape. His grandmother should figure prominently into this. I'd say "they" (hollywood folks) should give it to Kubrick and wait 15 years for the film to come out and study it for the next 5 years. Those are some of my thoughts. Please DO NOT give it to Rodgriquez, Linklater or Shoe-mocker. Bob
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I have read the treatment. They were selling them at comic book conventions. This thing is just scary people. MJ is now Peter's high school crush. Flash Thompson is now named "McCrary." JJ is no longer the owner of the Bugle, but a manager of a local TV news program. He doesnt even own the station. JJ no longer has his powerful position to allow him to preach from his misguided soap box. Peter isnt a photographer. He has these things that stick out of his arm that shoots webs, organically. Peter is a violent youth who hates being a "monster." Sandman has a new name, and origin. The bad guy is a Kingpen/Electro combination. Did I mention that Peter is just a total selfobsessed jerk?
I dont mind a few creative differances. I just want the main character to remain the same. He is a timid kid, who happens to have been bestowed great power. His innocence should shine in the film. I know there are a lot of Cameron fans out there. I am one of them. This project just isnt for him. He even agrees. So let us just leave him out of it. He wants to create his own Super Hero with teen angst who deals with being a monstrosity, I am all for it. Just leave Spidey alone.
I don't know about Joss Whedon either. His TV show is one of the best written things on the air, but he also penned Alien Ressurection. Not to mention he wrote the first Buffy. TV is for writers, you are allowed freedom. Whedon doesnt get enough respect to write the movie of Spiderman. If they did allow him to, without making him change things and add wierd things, then I would be for it. However let him produce it too. Then maybe he can find a director to do it justice. There are a few out there who could do it. This movie could be the biggest thing this side of Star Wars. -
He never read that, or any comic, and look how awesome Batman came out.
Reportedly, Cameron's Spidey treatment was really friggin' awesome. And any movie studio with half a milligram of a brain cell would beg Cameron to do it.
I don't see why there is so many Cameron bashers since Titanic. You were all in love wih his films before Titanic.
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Joss Whedon is an excellent idea for Spiderman! Joss has shown time and again that he understands this type of humor and action. Have you seen Buffy lately? It's one of the few shows that continues to get better. I read his pilot script for Ghost Rider and it was totally awesome! Sit up and take notice, Sony. Forget those obvious choices and do a movie that's character driven first. Do not camp it up a la Joel Shitmaker with star cameos!!!
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Burton's Batman films were inspired, great, fun and much better than the piece of trash called Titanic. I would love to see Burton direct superman lives but spiderman is cameron's project and if he wants to direct. Cameron's scriptment was good but is not going to please the spiderman fans who want every detail to be same as the comics. Some people are not going to be happy if cameron makes a film better than t2. I think cameron in the end will decide not to direct spiderman because he know the criticism will come no matter what. He is better off directing terminator 3, the safe choice, the concept which he is the master.
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In order for Spider-man to succeed in any way, the producers will have to think ahead a bit. Spider-man will be an intended franchise, to be certain, so why not treat it as such? Instead of making one movie, plan on making three and relating them. That's my biggest beef with comic book movies. Comics are continuing sagas. No comic character has been adapted to the screen with this in mind. Work in the machinations of Norman Osborn and J.J.J. and let's see a payoff in the second or third film. First film - Doc Ock. Let's see Gwen Stacy for God's sake! Screw Mary Jane! Does anyone out there see what I'm getting at? Tell me a freakin' story! I want to see Peter get bit by the spider AT THE BEGINING of the film. I want to see Doc Ock get blown up real good and fused to his arms. I want the origin totally brought to life! Spider-man has the best cast of any comic book. Work 'em in there, cause they all have an effect on Peter Parker! Ah, hell - If this movie is any good I will be surprised. Everyone goes for spectacle these days, while story is an afterthought. The Batman films are the best and most obvious example. Here's my daydream:
Paul Rudd - Peter Parker
Charlize Theron - Gwen Stacy
Dennis Farina - J.J. Jameson
Bruce Willis - Norman Osborn
Doc Ock - Robert DeNiro
Aunt May - Lauren Bacall
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This is the best idea I've heard in a long time. I've gotta say, BtVS is my favorite drama on TV... and would also count as my favorite comedy, if not for the Simpsons. Joss was made to write this thing. Unfortunately, he's currently going the Chris Carter route and running two shows at once (which I think promises to be disastrous... alas) and I kind of doubt he'd have time to do a screenplay. Maybe -- we can always hope. The suggestion of Nick Cage as the Green Goblin is a GREAT one. Question I'd ask though: should harry or norman be the goblin? If you mess with spidey's chronology just a little bit, you can kick the original goblin back to pre-spidey... I think watching Cage as the original Goblin's son, descending into madness, would be a real treat. Finally, on actors for spidey -- Nicholas Brendon is a good suggestion... but you know who'd make the perfect spidey, from a purely physical standpoint? The guy who played Billy on the power rangers. No, I'm not kidding. True, I have no idea if he could act his way out of a cardboard box (Haim Saban ain't exactly shakespeare), but he played an excellent nerd on that show, while still being an accomplished gymnast in real life. Hey, I know he'd probably be terrible, but they should at least give him a screen test.
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Hollywood will never learn. IF anyone in that town has half a brain, they'll use the Green Goblin/Gwen Stacy story. If Devlin & Emmerich(For the record I hated Stargate, ID4 and Godzilla-fucking hacks!!!!!)get this movie, I will personally fly to california and burn Hollywood to the ground. By the way, why does everone think Burton did a great job with Batman? None of the movies come close to the way the character should be portrayed. Armored muscle suits and batjets - Please! Spiderman(followed by Batman) has the greatest Rogues Gallery of villians ever. There is SO MUCH POTENTIAL here, Green Goblin, Doc Octopus, Sandman,Kraven, Electro,Mysterio,Hobgoblin and the list goes on. I hope they don't fuck it up.
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how can you say the cameron script treatment is awesome???? in his version peter mutates and shoots organic webs from his wrists!!! He also doesnt want to use a pre-existing villian he wants to combine a few villians into one...ive been a fan of spidey since 1969 and have every issue(except # 1 and fantasy #15) ...i would rather see the movie never get made than see cameron do it(and dont get me wrong i love cameron...aliens is one of my all time favorite movies, along with T-1 and T-2) but this movie is suppose to be marvel comics spider-man...not james camerons spider-man.
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I am a huge Spidey fan, but I cried when I read the press release yesterday. I have no clue how SPE was able to buy the rights from MGM, and convince MARvel they were the studio to use.
See SPE main goal is to establish a franchise, they are the only major studio that does not have a movie worht a sequle (don;t even say STarship Troopers) despite this fact one of the basic beliefs is that they should do projects that have franchase potiental. No one has caught the fact that a TV show is also planned, trust me, we will see a live action show, as well as a carton.
My point, they are going to want big names, big budget and big profits. That means no respect for the comic or us comic fans. Remeber MArvel needs money.
My guess SPE gives the boys over at Fox and offers a split for distibution rights. They also ask if Jim Cameron(sp?)is free. OF course budget will not be a problem (one story quoted an unamed source saying budget will be 200 million)if they split it.
Of cousre either way SPE has to make sure teh film comes out in a non Star Wars year, which means they rush to get it out Summer 2000 (aginst FOX X-Men therefor elimating a partnership) or wait until 2002 (which I doubt will happen.
My guess, the ID4 boys put PAtriot on hold and get their "dream" an dour nightmare, a chance to do Spidey. I also expect two BIG stars to headline. This is the biggist thing SPE has ever landed, and they have to make sure the movie is huge.
Lest all pray they learened from Godailla (I was an intern for them when it came out and trust me they did learn something)however I have this feeling that the dolalr signs will blind them once again.
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Nicolas Brendon would be the definitive Peter Parker. It has been pointed out by the artists doing the Buffy comic that Brendon bears more than a passsing resemblance to PP. Let's finalize this relationship by casting him in the feature film. And Joss Whedon would be an ideal choice for writing the script. He not only knows feature film writing but the art of writing in general. One only has to view Buffy to see his keen ability to flesh out very real characters placed in extraordinary situations. And as for director. Perhaps Richard Donner. Superman I demonstrates he could do the classic Spiderman a great deal of justice.
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DiCaprio really ain't all that bad
for Pete Parker -- he's a real talent and could play the humor well. Matt Damon? Ryan Phillipe?
Jared Leto? Ed Norton? How about Denise "Wow" Richards as MJ? Kerri Russell? Gloria Stuart as Aunt May? R. Lee Ermy as Jonah Jameson? The guy who played the engineer in DH2 as Robby. Matt Lillard as Eddie Brock. Get a good writer or storyteller like the "Larry Flynt" guys, who obviously understand interpretation to go to the source and do a great draft and go from there. Ask an experienced director who's good with actors and material just this side of normal like Raimi or George Armitage, or even JC, as long as he ain't the wordsmith. You must admit that he has a flair for exciting adventure. I saw "Blade" this past weekend, and Steve Norrington really impressed me -- I thought he very much captured the New York of Marvel Comics. With a good script with perhaps a little less obvious language and a slowed down editing, he could do a terrific Spidey. George Armitage would really be my choice for the material. I just want to see spidey slangin' web at villans in sixty foot dimensions! -
Reese Witherspoon as Gwen? The second film should be based on something from the initial ten or so issues that McFarlane all those many great summers ago, with the Lizard (Torment?)or, if Marvel ever gets their shit together enough, do something with some real synergy like "Spiderman: Return of the Sinister Six" based on the story Larsen did. I think Joss Whedon's a great idea for a writer, really seems to "get it" as far as dialogue and action and character goes.
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For those who think Nicholas Brendon isn't physical enough to play Spidey - I met the man and he looked in pretty good shape to me! Spidey shouldn't be too muscular anyway - he was just an ordinary nerdy kid who happened to get superpowers.
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First off, Nicholas Brendon will be a Puuuuuuurrrfect Spidey. And for director, Cameron will never do it, Devlin and Emmerich would make it crap. I say go with Richard Donner, the one director to ever do justice to a major superhero. But I think the storu should take Cameron's idea to have the webs shoot directly out of his wrist. It makes sense. Bit by a radioactive spider, why not have the ability to shoot webs out, like spiders. Seriously, I doubt a kid like Peter Parker could invent the strongest substance known to man. Common sense, people!
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As of today I'm going to forget about Spiderman. Nobody gives a damn that ID4 and Godzilla made money, both of those films bite (though ID4 ain't as bad as Godzilla). If we're going to use $$ as the criteria for deciding who should direct Spidey, then ayou might as well lump Michael Bay in there as well-- and god knows what a nightmare that would be. Imagine, Spidey with a theme song by Aerosmith -- AARGHHH!
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The great thing about Whedon (from a "we've gotta convince the execs" point of view) is the fact that he was the writer for "Toy Story." And the original Buffy script shouldn't be held against him since he proves every week what it should have been without the re-writes.
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First suggestion : cast Nick as Peter Parker . Let's face it , out of the names brought up so far ( DeCrapio , Van der Bleek , etc ) Nick is the only one with the height and the overall physique to pull it off .
Next : DO NOT hire Shummacher to direct this flick . Look at how he killed the Batman franchise . Let's not let history repeat itself people . Cameron would want to totally revamp the Spidey mythos , and for longtime comic geekers like me , that's not cool . We're the one;s who are going to spend the bucks on the movie and the associated merchandising .
My suggestion for director :
Paul Verhoven . He's already proven he can direct an action flick and handle the special effects ( Total Recall , for example ) .
I think Verhoven could make the movie as dark as Tim Burton could , and without the camp that Shummacher and the Emmerich / Devlin team would condem it with .
Let Joss take a crack at the screenplay . Let Verhoven direct .
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I also think Whedon is a great idea for Spiderman. Sherlock, you mentioned a Ghost Rider script. Can you give me more info? I've heard nothing about this. I hope to hell that comment about Molly Ringwald was a joke!
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Mar 02, 1999 2:39:44 PM CST
You can throw all the Hamburgers you want at cows, but all they'
by thylacine8
My, my. How quickly you are all to judge. You seem to forget that many of these poor fools that we call "Directors", are actually troubled people trying to make art, (Burton, Selick, and the lot.)
On the other hand, there are many who seem to forget the art, and are simply asses with too much money on their hands, (Delvin and the other guy, Shooomacher, Katzenburg, and the big guy on my list. Spielburg.) All they do is stun the audiences with alot of FX and know how to push the right emotional buttons without saying anything worthwhile.
Kudos to those who said that Burton should direct Spiderman. He seems to be more interested in serious films now, (Mars Attacks was an exercise for him.) and Spidey could be his first breakthrough film. But the point is, he won't do it. It's because of people like you.
Instead of watching movies as a form of art, you bring all this obssessive garbage with you that frightens the producers, who in turn stress out the directors who are busy paying attention to millions of dollars, whiny actors, and FX they can't even see yet. Key example the first Batman. Burton was pushed about by the producers, who were frightened by screaming crouds of fans, and presto!!! You get the sadly muddled piece that it was.
Cameron is sorta inbetween Burton, and the Commercial Directors. He sets the standards for the commercial movies, but handles his films as an artist would. Did you know he directed "Terminator" for a dollar, so that he could keep artistic control over the project?
Cameron would also be a good Director for the project, but he would want to make it his own, just as Burton did with "Batman."
They've all got their own agenda. You people have the power to make them happen.
In finallity, Burton fashioned Batman the way he did through the reasoning that a big buff guy wouldn't need to dress in a black bat costume to scare people. He's a quirky, off kilter character, and should look that way. But then again there is Adam West...
And Spielburg. Oh the glorious King of Hollywood, the great Spielburg.
Anyone who could make such pieces of trash like Jurassic Park and it's sequle, while making "Historical Pieces" inbetween, has some serious priority issues. His historical pieces are purposely chosen for they're tearjerking power, over setimentallity, or minority issues. That is all. He doesn't care. He prooves this by not daring to comment on the hypocrasy of genetic engineering, or make a piece that really causes a controversy. He's in a place of power, he can.
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well, i would like to draw your attention to WWW.MARVEL.COM, the official site of Marvel Comics.
in an article that came out yesterday, it states that Marvel and SPE (Sony Pictures Entertainment) have entered into an agreement that will allow SPE to "create motion pictures and television series based on the Spider-Man character."
In addition, this article also states, and i quote, "In making the announcement, Mssrs. Calley and Ellenbogen also noted that the pending lawsuits between the two companies over Spider-Man have ended and all claims have been settled between both parties. In addition, the disputes between Marvel, SPE and MGM on this matter have been resolved."
so what do you think????????????
your faithful lapdog and intergalactic fugitive,
--Zero--
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The person that should play Spider-Man, is my brother Tom(your laugh here). I'm serious, He looks just like Peter Parker, he's you basic looking dude but he's got chrimsa. He could fit the bill of Spidey real good, after some minor time in the gym to tone up. Give him a few acting classes, I say a few because he'd basically be playing himself. He's a smart ass like Spidey, and generally an unwillingly good person(sorta pulled along to do good things by his better judgement), hey, he ain't looking for a career, he just wants to be Spider-Man. Tom would rule as Peter Parker/Spider-Man. He'd always be able to do a sequel. As for who should write it and directHe'd always be able to do a sequel. As for who should write it and direct, I don't know, All I know is that Tom should be Spidey. I'm serious, stop laughing, if you meet him you'd say, "Yea, he could be spider-man, he'd just need to give a heave-ho to the sailor talk, shave and go to the gym once in a while. It'd be awesome I'm tellin' ya. For the last time I'm tellin' ya, I'm serious
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I don't think they ever printed it, but I scooped to Corona (and maybe AICN - can't recall) way back in January of 1998 that Cameron had meetings with two actors about the Spidey part. This was when it looked like the Titanic Revenues alone would resolve the legal wrangling, and he had finished his first treatment (not the later scriptment). A colleague of mine in L.A. saw two actors meet with Cameron around this time; Nicholas Brendan and Ben Affleck (this was around Good Will Hunting's release). He supposedly continued script development gearing the character towards one of the two (or maybe both if possible). .................................................................................................................................... Personally, I think Cameron could still do a competent Spidey, but if he's lost interest, let it go. Give it to someone with a passion for the character and let then make a STORY, not a super-loud, effects-laden, star picture. The earlier poster who said it should be a $45 mil film is on the mark (although it'll probably take more for really primo effects). Forrest Gump (although I'm not a big fan of it) used the STORY to keep people coming back, not the effects. Titanic was the same way. The acting might have been average, but the STORY drove the film. As long as the writers, producers and director remember this simple fact, we're probably looking at the $500 mil pic for 2000. If not, I HOPE IT DIES AND GETS WORSE PRESS THAN GODZILLA. .................................................................. Spidey has always been one of the most personal heroes in comics. He's not about gadgets (although he has a few); he doesn't even fight that much (please no Jet Li); he keeps to himself and does what it takes. Please SONY, hear my plea!!!! Make this THE definitive human drama of the year, that just happens to be about a kid with super powers. Keep the blow-em-up action boys away from it; hire Anthony Minghella, Brian Helgeland, John Madden, Francis Ford Coppola, Stephen Soderbergh, Ridley Scott or someone with a FIRM grasp on character. Kill Gwen at the end of the second act and make us feel Peter's pain. We don't want to go to this film to WATCH Peter Parker; we want to be him.
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This is obviously a popular talkback, but I just have to say that I have absolutely no interest in this movie. I don't even read the Spiderman articles. I just come for the TalkBacks, and you all seem all worked up over this one to near Star Wars levels. So, did I miss something? Is it because I've never read any comic books? Or is it because as a kid I always hated the 'serious' cartoons? I'll just assume that I missed out on SOMEthing, but as of right now I don't really care.
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You bring up some interesting points, but I would imagine that quite a few people who read this board ARE interested in art, hence the ranting. I must disagree though, about Burton helming this project. Yes, he's at his best when he's totally in charge of the creative side of a project but whenever the project is more "commercial" he caves into whatever the execs want (i.e. Batman 1+2, Mars Attacks). I usually can't wait for his films, but he deserves the opportunity to generate his own ideas, not work with comic books. As for your disdain for Spielberg, I too wonder about the motivation behind doing a Jurassic Park sequel for a follow-up to Schindler's List. But let's face facts here, just because a person has had his kind of success doesn't mean that they should be obligated to push the controversial limit with each subsequent release. As far as artistic integrity goes, James Cameron has nothing that compares with Spielberg's best. You make a point about FX-laden films, but Cameron is the one filmmaker whose entire career has been based on pushing the technology barrier. As much as I've loved his movies, he has yet to make anything on the same level of Jaws, Raiders of the Lost Ark, or Close Encounters.
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These two are awful. This is a tragedy if they direct Spiderman. Does anyone remember Stargate, Independence Day, Godzilla. These are some of the worst fucking movies of the 90's. These are the films that give summer movies such a bad name. I say a campaign needs to be started now to not allow these two hacks to make Spidey.
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I think a great director for the Spidey Movie would be Joe Johnston. I've liked evrything he's done, and while the Rocketeer and Jumanji lacked character depth, I think he's done a fantastic job with October Sky. Plus Rocketeer proves he can handle comic book material and stay true to it's roots, and he's a former effects man much like Cammeron, and could certainly handle that aspect of the film. I een always hoped that He would be one of the directors Lucas would choose to do one of the other two prequels. As for Cammeron, in his Premiere article he seems to not have an interest in Spidey anymore as it is not his creation.
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OK, ok, this is like, totally what the big studios should do with this movie right, even though i know they wont, i mean, this iswhat it SHOULD be, even though the finsihed article will probably be a BLADE clone..........................SOO, this film should be directed by...(DrumRoll)...Luc Besson! think about it, isnt this guy just the perfect choice?! he can do emotion, action, dialogue (!), and all his films look beautiful............CAST, man you guys hit the mark with Xander, i think he would be perfect, Denise Richards for gwen, Casper van dien as brock/venom, Nic cage as goblin....................WRITING: ok right, not JOss Whedon, his scripts are all too lightweight...man, you need a serious writer in on the action here...i dont know who....the film should be dark, and use FX SPARINGLY, be about 3 hours long, and be allabout CHARACTERISATION, (ooh, i just thought, John Malkovich for Doc Oc), it should be all about PP's FEELINGS as he becomes a superhero, it should be about EMOTIONS, it should look like a Michael Bay film, only with slower cutting, and a smidgeon of intelligence...i like the idea of a (realtive) unknown in the title role, let the film succed on the merit of its PREMISE, not flashy effects of LeoDe-fucking-Caprio, i can jst see it now man***************************************************************************************************Boy are those bastards gonna screw it up :(
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Hot damn, this is one of the longest TalkBack listings I've seen in a while. Now let me tell you my thoughts on the matter: There are a few 'definites' for the Spider-Man movie that must be met to make it successful. Please agree or disagree with any. 1) Fuck all this shit about absolute comic-to-film adaptation. It would be to cramped of a movie. Select two or three major events from the first 10 years or so of comics' continuity, and incorporate them into the story. One of these would have to be the death of Uncle Ben, another the death of Gwen Stacy. As said by another scooper above, kill her off in the end of the second act. Remind the audience that Peter's whole life is always a no-win situation but keep the film's mood positive by showing that Peter accepts responsibility and refuses to sink to the levels of the killers who robbed him of happiness. 2) Focus more on Peter Parker than Spider-Man. Show him in costume if you incorporate the wrestling career (which should be done to explain why he made a costume + to tie it into Ben's death), show him working out or something in it, and then show it for the final battle or two. Don't have him run through the whole time in it. It's distracting. 3) And finally, use computer graphics *only* when necessary. This applies to nearly every movie but I'll focus it on this one in particular. As much as some nice computer effects will make Green Goblin's rocket sled thing look pretty ginchy, I'll be pissed if every shot of Spidey swinging on a web is some jerky graphic. It'd look so damn cool to have actors on high buildings in costume (see "City of Angels" to appreciate the effect of it). Well, that's my two cents. Oh, and P.S., someone made mention of how much it would suck if Aerosmith did a Spidey song like they did on their Michael Bay collaberation. Who do you think performs the theme to the Spidey cartoon? Joe Perry himself.
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Mar 02, 1999 5:14:18 PM CST
Cameron as Director & Schwarzenegger as Dr. Octopus= 1 BILLION a
by abking
We all know that Cameron is the only person to direct SPIDER-MAN. We also know Arnold should play Dr. Octopus. I know what you're all saying. He sucked as Mr. Frezze. Well, Cameron wasn't the director of that SHIT FEST Batman and Robin. I'm sure Jim would make Arnold an evil sounding and evil looking Doc Ock with great lines. If Kingpin has to be in the first film, PLEASE sign Marlon Brando right away. All he has to do is shave his head and go to the gym 3 times a week for 2 months. That's my 2 cents for now, but remember one thing: Schwarzenegger and Cameron should make SPIDER-MAN together.
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Ditto to all who suggest the Buffy/Spidey connections! When I first started watching Buffy from the beginning, I thought "Xander would make a great Peter Parker" The writing is funny, hip and consistant. So when I saw someone suggest this weeks go in another forum, I was very happy...and even more with all the support here! Even though when I first heard Cameron was involved with Spidey, I thought "Fantastic" and I knew he would give it the technical quality the movie would need. But after reading the changes he wants to make to the Spidey story, I would hate it. Spiderman doesn't need an upgrade. If the story is true to the original, simple, clever, funny and GREAT fight scenes with a solid but not overblown villian, then the movie would KILL!...But like the Batman francise, (not the animated series) I fear people like Cameron & Emmerich will ruin it by trying to "express" themselves. Donner may be the perfect choice, with the orig Superman under his belt for "superhero" movies and the Lethal Weapon series for comedy & action!
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After a number of hours absence from this talk-back, I checked in to see even more Nick Brendon/Joss Whedon positive remarks. Yes! I'm very excited and I don't even know if this movie will get made. I do agree that a non-effects laden blockbuster type deal is in order here. I agree with the poster who said the script should focus more on Peter than Spidey. And yes, let's not kill off the bad guys so everyone can speculate who will be cast as what for the sequel. Luc Besson would be good - if he didn't overdo. Love 5th Element, but after recently watching Blade Runner again, man, borrow much? (just a random thought.) Great talk-back - Nick's ears must surely be burning.
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To last poster - the Buffy guy everyone's been talking about - Nicholas Brendan, plays Xander. Not Angel. He's the dark headed, comical as hell, nice looking friend of Buffy. Re: Leo - I'm blocking out that I even saw someone suggest that he play Peter Parker. Yeech. Quick, hurry, put another thought in my head.
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Well, I do hope James Cameron does get the chance to make his version of Spiderman. I think he'd do a much better job than Emerich and Devlin given the last Iguanazilla...er I mean Godzilla film (Toho's Godzilla vs. Destroyer is the best G film ever IMHO). As far as casting goes, I think Ben Affleck could pull off a switch from geek to chic. He was pretty goes as a relatively subdued comic fan in Chasing Amy and has decent stature required of the role. Also, how about John Lithgow as Dr. Octopus. Very good bad guy as seen in films like Raising Cain and other titles I can't remember right now. Have Doc Ock be in same lab as Peter and have a screwy fate befall them at relatively the same time. I know this is not totally in tune with the comic origin, but only so many films can be made in so many years with X amount of time to present satid stories to the audience. It'd be a little difficult to present 30+ years of storyline in 2-2.5 hours. If Kingpin becomes necessary, (please don't laugh at this one) there is a peson who reminds me of him physically every time I see him: King Kong Bundy. He's done acting (wrestling) before and knows how to "pretend" to throw his enemies around so why not? Just my two cents.
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To begin with, this is great news. I've anguished for any version of a live-action Spidey. ANY!!!! And what's with all the Cameron-bashing? For all of you to be genre fans, you don't recognize Cameron as our greatest hope. Sure you didn't get all hot and bothered by 'Titanic'. There were no spaceships, time travel, cyborgs, nuclear warheads, etc. But he wasn't trying to make a genre film for God's sake! For a dramatic period-piece, it was pretty damn good. Hell, it won the Oscar and is the highest grossing film of all time. But when Cameron wants to do sci-fi, he CANNOT be outdone. Compare T2 to ID4. Now tell me who you want.
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For this movie to work it would need to have a great cast. Unlike say, The X-Men, this movie would rely on story and actors. I Think that they should go with Dr. Octopus, because he is the most menacing. Nobody could play him better than Billy Bob Thorton. This man was born to play an mad scientist. Dr. Oct. is an ugly guy and anybody who saw A SIMPLE PLAN knows that Billy Bob can be an ugly guy.
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I don't know what more I can add to all of this but I do know some things: 1)I am NOT a fan of James Cameron (the "man") but I DO like two of his films. I feel a true Spiderman film should be a perfect blending of clever writing, witty dialog, strong plot, action, psychological intraspection, great music and (MOST IMPORTANTLY) a DARK, creepy feel.
This is precisely why I like the idea of the '90's Spidey being a mutation and shooting webs from under his flesh. Something "oily" about the idea that appeals to me. THIS will be the ONLY compliment I will pay Cameron. I do NOT think he is the BEST director for the job.
2)I DO know THIS: Devlin & Emmerich are the MOST pathetic excuses for "film makers" out there today! They are a textbook example of precisely what is WRONG with movies today and the only future they represent in the medium is the perpetuation of style over substance. We have the technology, now lets make SMART films with it!! Spiderman could be the beginning of a new era of gritty, stylish films based on a familiar, well established character. Box office stats prove that the movie-going public enjoy the act of seeing a comic book hero put to screen, now reward them for making it easy for you!!
3)I'm not big on television so I have never seen "Buffy..." or this Nicholas Brandon kid. It sounds like the folks writing in about him seem to know what to look for in a Peter Parker so, if a potential producer is reading, LISTEN TO THE PEOPLE!!
4)Anyone else ever wonder for a second what Martin Scorsese would do with a film like this?
5)Let's cool it with Jim Carrey for a while, huh? Geez! He's getting to be to film what Phil Collins was once to the radio! Are there no other actors in Hollywood would could play an animated villain?! I am SO tired of going to see a comic-book hero in the theater and looking up and thinking, "Oh, that's fuckin' Jack Nicholson/Jim Carrey/Arnold..." Give me a few NEW faces, huh? Surprise me!! Impress me!!!
6)People, STOP thinking and talking about an actor who we can imagine "filling out the Spidey suit". I, for one, DO NOT want a film where I see the lead "in gear" for much of the film!! I want to have Peter Parker as Peter Parker...THEN when it's ACTION TIME--boom--on goes the suit and let the Computer Graphics do their stuff. This is the reason I have been so patient for this film!! I don't want to spend my time trying NOT to notice the bulge in (lead actor's) spandex! I think there should be a contrast in tone between all shots with PP in the scene and those with Spiderman. Peter=color, light.
Spidey=gritty, blues, shadow.
This is about all I have to say on this film other than the fact that I would rather play a small part in THIS than a Star Wars film...
That is all True Believers.
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I have to wonder if that "Cameron" treatment that was floating around conventions is actually written by Jim himself or if it was a fake.
IF anyone has it or a link to it please email it to me!!
I think if Cameron does make the movie it'll be fucking great, even though the changes that are in the treatment sound god aweful.
As far as casting, DiCaprio would be cool, as long as we get the Lee/Ditko Spidey, who was young & slender, not very buff. The best idea would be to translate the first few issues almost directly.
A good Spiderman TV series would be better than any movie could ever be. Comics are a monthly on going experience. The stories continue on & on, every month a new threat. A big budget Spidey show as good as "THe FLASH" was would be too cool.
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I have to wonder if that "Cameron" treatment that was floating around conventions is actually written by Jim himself or if it was a fake.
IF anyone has it or a link to it please email it to me!!
I think if Cameron does make the movie it'll be fucking great, even though the changes that are in the treatment sound god aweful.
As far as casting, DiCaprio would be cool, as long as we get the Lee/Ditko Spidey, who was young & slender, not very buff. The best idea would be to translate the first few issues almost directly.
A good Spiderman TV series would be better than any movie could ever be. Comics are a monthly on going experience. The stories continue on & on, every month a new threat. A big budget Spidey show as good as "THe FLASH" was would be too cool.
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I think Jackie Chan should do spidey in the suit. He is the ONLY guy I know who, with a little effects (sad for Chan since he NEVER uses effects) help can move like the webslinger. but out of suit... lets face it, Chan can act circles around Leo, but he just isn't up to the challenge. and how would we explain his accent?
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Mar 03, 1999 6:27:47 AM CST
Oh yay. The geniuses behind Godzilla will make a great Spiderma
by gsolo
It's funny how the studios never catch on. Actually, I'm being arrogant. No matter what it will make so many millions and they will do sequels until I'm 50. There will be a half decent script and then the studio will remove the spine so children don't have to be scared. Batman looks like it could have been good it if Warner Bros. hadn't hacked up Burtons work. Man was Prince a great choice. The music is Spiderman will be Bush and Silverchair and Everclear. MTV will have a special with bands comenting how cool Spiderman was when they were kids. I'm going to see Taxi Driver at Sony Lincoln Square.
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Mar 03, 1999 6:27:59 AM CST
Oh yay. The geniuses behind Godzilla will make a great Spiderma
by gsolo
It's funny how the studios never catch on. Actually, I'm being arrogant. No matter what it will make so many millions and they will do sequels until I'm 50. There will be a half decent script and then the studio will remove the spine so children don't have to be scared. Batman looks like it could have been good it if Warner Bros. hadn't hacked up Burtons work. Man was Prince a great choice. The music is Spiderman will be Bush and Silverchair and Everclear. MTV will have a special with bands comenting how cool Spiderman was when they were kids. I'm going to see Taxi Driver at Sony Lincoln Square.
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Steven Spielberg has made two of my favorate films Jaws and Raiders of the lost Ark. The indy sequels and the first jurassic park were okay. I hated et, 1941, encounters, color purple, always, empire, and lost world was every bit as bas as batman and robin. NO doubt schindler's list was very, very moving but it was a slow pitch easy to hit softball. a movie about the concentration camps is going to be moving no matter what. It was a made to order academy awards winning movie. Spielberg did a good job but a lot of other directors could have done it with that script. Schindler's list may been one of the 100 greatest films every made but number seven on the AFI only less than five years since it came out. Come on, a movie needs to settle and let everyone get a perspective on it before it can be placed that high. Way too politically correct. Schindler's List is a great, emotional movie but of course it would be. Saving Private Ryan first 30 minutes great, the rest ok at best. Cameron has never made a bomb. His most unsuccessful movie abyss was still better than half the movies spielberg has done. Aliens terminator 2 though sequels rock and astound. Spielberg, the emotional manipulator, may have made two better movies raiders and jaws and maybe even schindler's list but if i had a choice i would always choice to see a cameron film over spielberg because cameron has the integrity to not throw some slop on the screen like lost world. I know everyone loves close encounters and et but the more i have dared to speak of my dilsike of these two films, the more i have been surprised of the number of people who agree with me.
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Go back and look at Ditko's Spiderman art. Spiderman isn't supposed to be muscular. He's supposed to be a smaller guy. Whenever I see Liev Shreiber(Cotton from Scream),I think he'd be a good Harry Osborn. Wasn't ID Day and Godzilla meant for sequels.Now no one cares about seeing another of either one. Roland and Emmerich have shown they can't make a franchise, and Cameron (and Schwarzenegger????(ABKing)) shouldn't be allowed near this thing.My pick would be Donner who made the greatest superhero movie ever,is used to movies with larger casts, and can get a decent budget for movies he's involved with.
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Hey everyone, I don't know if anyone caught this but the new Crusie/Speilbergh film has been set to release July 4th 2000. I believe this was done to let SPE know they are not fucking around. So now SPE has two choices. 1) Rush and get it out for Memorial Day 2000 (therefor placing it against Fox's other big summer moive and Marvel comic X-Men) or waiting until 2001 where it would be second best nex to Epsiode 2 (just like Wild Wild West). This was a huge move by Fox and Dreamworks and places SPE in a bind. I think it means one step closer to the Godizlla team. Tehy already have a two pic deal with SPE so they are already under contract.
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What is this shit about pretty boy Xander from Scruffy the Umpire Layer as Peter Parker? If he's busy, then any of the guys from Melrose Place would make ideal substitutes. This Xander guy is-- at best--a pedestrian actor on a good but highly overrated tv show. Not that it matters, but my suggestion for Peter Parker would be a guy like Jason Schwartzman from "Rushmore". Think about it.
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well first you know I've been thinking about this, Larry Drake from Dr Giggles, Darkman would make a good DOC OC. Dean Devlin and Roland Emmerich would be awesome to Direct and produce... MAN DID SONY HEAR THAT? GET THESE GUYS!!! WOO HOOO hehehe...yeah I saw "Godzilla", the ONLY thing that that movie needed was Godzookie and it woulda been PERFECT! Godzilla was 100% original and if you dont believe me, just look at the ending, ITS BRILLIANT and completly original! Wil Smith should play Peter Parker and Kareem Abdul Jabar should play Spiderman. Jeff Goldblum who be *perfect* as Uncle Ben and Bette Midler would be great as Auntie May. Sarah Michelle Gheller as Mary Jane and Cameron Diaz as Gwen Stacy, Samuel L. Jackson as J.J. and George Clooney as Green Goblin. Arnold Schwartsnegger could play Kingpin also...Jake Lloyd could play Carnage. :O) hehehe...I need medication... McK
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Please, everyone- put the very idea of a good Spiderman movie out of your minds. I agree the creative team behind Buffy COULD make a great Spidey film, but the point is that no major studio (especially Sony) would ever ALLOW it. Too many cooks for the stew. Major studios CANNOT make great films anymore. They've got too many people between the creators and the public re-writing, re-editing, changing the intended ending, etc. to let it happen. Give this project to an Indy studio - it could be good. Otherwise, sorry, it's gonna stink.
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Jeez, sorry guys for that. forgot about that whole stringing thing with this forum.
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