Feb. 2, 2007, 2:23 a.m. CST
Feb. 2, 2007, 2:24 a.m. CST
by jackson healy
Feb. 2, 2007, 3:05 a.m. CST
talkback needs invisotext of its own.
Feb. 2, 2007, 4:10 a.m. CST
Im sold on it.
Feb. 2, 2007, 5:42 a.m. CST
horrible. I don't think there's a single invisotext item there that makes the effort sound appealing.
Feb. 2, 2007, 5:44 a.m. CST
aboot. My wife read them ... but I can't think of the titles.
Feb. 2, 2007, 6:31 a.m. CST
something like that (that may be a subtitle).
Feb. 2, 2007, 6:35 a.m. CST
And will all the female characters have ginormous racks?
Feb. 2, 2007, 7:32 a.m. CST
by Pound Sand
Feb. 2, 2007, 7:47 a.m. CST
...And heres to hoping The Great Whedon doesn't get to make a Wonder Woman movie no one is asking for and gets back to making great television.
Feb. 2, 2007, 8:06 a.m. CST
would show up to help Angel and everyone in LA to fight the apocalypse, along with her Slayer troops. To show a change of heart about her feelings on Angel and everyone working for W&H. Would have been neat to see. Really wish they would have done that.
Feb. 2, 2007, 8:51 a.m. CST
Was Andrew's in retrospect. That's pretty hilarious, and gives a great new level to The Girl in Question.
Feb. 2, 2007, 8:52 a.m. CST
Angel got progressively stronger and seasons 3-5 are incredible stuff, and season 2 isn't bad at all either. But with Boreanaz changing the subject, and acting ashamed anyone mentions the role that made him famous to him, it seems like it probably won't happen.
Feb. 2, 2007, 9:39 a.m. CST
I know, different writers, different ideas, different directions... I was just wondering if anyone really knows if the comic book is going to tie in with the Queen of the Slayers novel (the novel 'season 8' of buffy)... i dont really want to spoil what happened... but I highly doubt The Immortal will become one of the scoobies,... unless they're planning on taking him in a different direction than where the novel headed. .... One thing I would really love though, is if the comics can answer what happened in that 'way-bizzare' ending... For those who don't know the book. Queen of the Slayers starts off right on the bus (where they left off at the end of season 7), and ends off right where Angel's fighting the dragon at the end of season 5... I'd really call that the Season 8, but it's not Whedon's writing... it's Nancy Holder... so I dunno... *shrugs*.... but I hope I get some answers,... cuz words cannot describe how confusing that ending was, lol -loyal fan in the Buffyverse(GhostJason)
Feb. 2, 2007, 10:41 a.m. CST
I'm a big fan of Buffy. And the invisotext looked stupid. An army of slayers? US Government concerns? Xander actually doing anything worthwhile? That doesn't sound like Buffy to me. Except for the army part, which, frankly was the third worst part of Season 7 (the first worst was the deus ex machina of the scythe and amulet-- compare and contrast to the robot and hammer in season 5 finale; the second worst was Anya surviving for the rest of the season (her character was absolutely useless; if she had been killed by Buffy, that would've made a more credible reason for Xander to turn on Buffy than him losing an eye -- which was the fourth worst thing of the season)).
Feb. 2, 2007, 11:02 a.m. CST
Is his goal to make Season 7 seem clever and interesting by comparison? The slayers-in-training plot was one of the biggest showkillers of all time. Raise your hand if you ever wanted to see Buffy leading an army. Exactly. The thesis of the series was supposed to be one girl in peril who happens to be able to fight back. If Joss wanted to end the series on a more effective note, he should have come up with a more intimate story... take everyone (or almost everyone) in Buffy's life away from her and make her struggle to survive. This is what frustrates about Joss. He has some of the best, most original ideas in the business and yet when he comes up with a really bad one he holds onto it for dear life.
Feb. 2, 2007, 11:38 a.m. CST
Feb. 2, 2007, 11:44 a.m. CST
Because Joss totally dropped the ball by killing her so recklessly in the finale. Hopefully he'll at least give her character a decent sendoff this time.
Feb. 2, 2007, 11:45 a.m. CST
remember that the information given here is the stuff that was happening after season seven upto now. As the story progresses this will all probably change by the final issue of season eight.
Feb. 2, 2007, 11:53 a.m. CST
seriously, why do people moan about it so? the army of slayers was the perfect counterpoint to an entire show in which the slayer shouldered the burden of saving the world pretty much alone. some of the stuff in the invisotext is a little eyebrow-raising (scotland? really?) but i'm still psyched to read season 8.
Feb. 2, 2007, 11:57 a.m. CST
Said he was checking me out at the gym, wtf...
Feb. 2, 2007, 11:55 a.m. CST
by Col. Tigh-Fighter
Colour me interested.
Feb. 2, 2007, 12:07 p.m. CST
are leaning towards "delicious sandwich." I'll buy it.
Feb. 2, 2007, 12:12 p.m. CST
So joss is going to write the whole "Immortal" thing in a comic-book style retcon? How hard would it be to just handwave it away as "yeah, they were in rome and Buffy did have this big romance, but is over" why stupid decoys?
Feb. 2, 2007, 12:52 p.m. CST
left much to be desired. Like I've already noted, the season would've been a lot better if Buffy had killed Anya (thus justifying Xander's abandonment and eliminating a character who honestly didn't do very much the rest of the season); if they had planned the season better (Angel showing up with the amulet at the end was pretty dang lame); and if they didn't go over the same ground over and over and over again (Buffy's 'pep' talks to the army. Sure, Andrew made fun of it, but that doesn't change the fact that it got too repetitive). Too much seem forced. Was it horrible? No. But it could've been better, and the annoyance is how just a little foresight and planning would've rectified most of the issues.
Feb. 2, 2007, 3:31 p.m. CST
Way to break the news on the Immoratal. Except I posted that info a few weeks ago in the talkbacks about the cover of the second issue. There are a few sample pages online from 8.01.b
Feb. 2, 2007, 3:48 p.m. CST
I agree with what you said about season 7 almost entirely. Episodes 1-8, maybe even 9 are all fantastic and it had a terrificstart, but then yeah, things meandered like hell. As you said, it had a great idea, but bad execution. However, the amulet/scythe is much different than the hammer/robot in season 5. The Buffybot and hammer had been featured much earlier, so it seemed as if it had all been planned, and it felt genuine, whereas the amulet and scythe came out of nowhere with very little build up.
Feb. 2, 2007, 3:55 p.m. CST
The villains were never as good after the Mayor. The Nerds of Doom were the only villains like that, but they weren't really grand. Adam, Glory, and the First Evil were boring villains and the seasons suffered tremendously for it. Also I hope the surviving Angel characters will become Buffy characters now because Spike and Angel shouldn't be separated from Buffy anymore--and the reveal about her not hooking up with the Immortal is useless without that! Plus Harmony must be back. And I wanted more of Illeria. And I want to see Wesley's Dad actually start up the Watcher's Council again. And I kind of even want to see Dawn and the non-bratty Connor hook up. Crap, this series could never live up to all the things I want to see.
Feb. 2, 2007, 4:18 p.m. CST
I had forgotten about that throwaway from season 3, and it reminded me of how good Buffy was when it wanted to be.
Feb. 2, 2007, 5:20 p.m. CST
"Pretty good". There's also a sequel: California Demon. Also "Pretty good".
Feb. 2, 2007, 6:08 p.m. CST
A lot of thoughtful analysis. But I was wondering...why do you think that Buffy should have killed Anya? I've never noticed ANY tension between the characters. Am I forgetting something here?
Feb. 2, 2007, 6:15 p.m. CST
That's the biggest problem with the Buffyverse. Whedon sets up these fantastic, shocking death scenes, but they hold no weight ultimately, because so many people have returned, one way or another.
Feb. 2, 2007, 6:12 p.m. CST
Buffy went after Anya in early Season 7 when one of Anya's Vengeance jobs went pretty nasty and she ended up killing a group of college dorks. She ended up getting it reversed by that head vengeance demon guy whose name escapes me, but he killed Hallie instead. I don't agree that having Buffy kill her would've been a good idea, particularly since we were privy to the knowledge that this stuff was reversible. But maybe she should've been whacked instead of Hallie and ended her run there. Still could've had Xander blame Buffy somehow for not doing more without actually putting that death in her hands. Besides, she did try to kill her anyway.
Feb. 2, 2007, 6:21 p.m. CST
I think the books fall into the realm of chick lit. Now, considering the subject matter it might not be as bad as Bridget Jones' Diary, but probably some of the themes prevalent in all those Sex in the City knockoffs will be present.
Feb. 2, 2007, 6:45 p.m. CST
by Neo Zeed
Feb. 2, 2007, 11:47 p.m. CST
I for one will be getting this series. I just bought the seasons 6 & 7 boxed sets and I just finished watching the very last episode. YOu haven't experienced Buffy until you've been to the Alamo Drafthouse for the Buffy Once more with feeling sing a long. Some funny shite.
Feb. 3, 2007, 12:31 a.m. CST
by Bob C. Cock
that would be pretty nice...
Feb. 3, 2007, 1:08 a.m. CST
by Sledge Hammer
...Joss Whedon isn't being hired by anyone to make anything in Hollywood anymore, either on tv or film, so it's back to funnybooks to eek out a living and trade on his 'name' popularity amongst the geeks by resurrecting that for what he's best known for. <p>These will probably be fun enough books, most of his comic efforts are, but even so, hopefully someone will give him a 'real' job soon.
Feb. 3, 2007, 10:54 a.m. CST
i don't think Whedon has financial difficulties. Just his merchandising check would provide all of us on this talkback with comfortable living. He takes on too much work anyway.
Feb. 3, 2007, 5:37 p.m. CST
i am sorry, buffy was good and all, angel was decent, but then again he barely directet that show, so his name shouldnt even be attached. Serenity and Firefly sucked ass. The guy is only good at teenie bopper action tv series for the WB. Has yet to woo me as a great FILM maker
Feb. 3, 2007, 7:24 p.m. CST
How did this happen?
Feb. 4, 2007, 8:58 a.m. CST
That is if they can get some decent artists.
Feb. 4, 2007, 1:51 p.m. CST
Are you on crack? On my count, he directed 22 of the Buffy episodes (not counting the Angel eps) and oversaw the others. Of those 22, you had the usual season premieres and the finales, plus gems like 'Hush,' 'The Body,' 'Once More with Feeling,' 'Lie to Me,' 'Innocence,''Amends,' 'Dopplegangland,' 'Who Are You,' 'Restless'... These are the best episodes in the series - need I go on? Anyway, season 7 had its flaws in its execution, certainly, but the ideas were solid. This whole thing about the Immortal thing being a cover story is brilliant. I never liked that piece on Angel - and it makes sense that it was more about Angel and Spike's obsessions than anything with Buffy.
Feb. 4, 2007, 5:07 p.m. CST
wait a sec, andrew himself said buffy was with the immortal, how are they gonna handle that?
Feb. 4, 2007, 7:43 p.m. CST
"The show was very mundane, deliberately mundane." The series wasn't what it was meant to be? Just like the original movie wasn't what it was supposed to be? Just like X-Men wasn't what it was supposed to be? This guy has got some serious Lucasitis.
Feb. 4, 2007, 9:31 p.m. CST
I've blocked some of season 7 from my mind apparently! In retrospect, not a big fan of a lot of it. Hopefully ILLYRIA will make an appearance!!!
Feb. 4, 2007, 9:54 p.m. CST
he barely directed ANGEL!!, not buffy
Feb. 5, 2007, 1:51 a.m. CST
Actually, I read a preview of the first Buffy comic. It starts off in a helicopter with Buffy and 3 other new young slayers bungeeing down to an old fortress at night. Buffy starts telling us as she does this, that they found out that she was being targeted by some unknown being and to make things easier, they made 3 of her. Decoys. 1 was underground, another was Dating the IMMORTAL, and another was somewhere else. There was over 1,000 slayers in the world but only a couple hundred in the unit she and the scoobies had formed. Kinda like the Initiative with bad ass slayer chics as the soldiers. There's also a slayer called Leah? It looks really cool. Joss knows how to tell a story. Now, I liked the whole potential slayer thing, but I wish they had been more aggressive at their fighting and not weaklings. I mean, they had no powers until the end of the series. But it was such a creative idea that it did what a series finale was supposed to do, change the world as the scoobies knew it. And even the buffy cast loved the idea, so i don't understand y people are actually complaining about the idea. So dumb. Some people are just never satisfied or don't understand the world of storytelling. You were just born to watch. And Joss has been said that we won't be seeing Angel or Spike or the Angel cast b/c the rights to them belong to another company that might do an Angel comic. Joss said he's got a great Buffy story coming at us and I believe him.
Feb. 5, 2007, 4:42 p.m. CST
by Childe Roland
...or does this whole "Buffy the Motion Picture" thing ring rather pathetic after Whedon's ousting from the Wonder Woman project. "Oh yeah? Well I don't need Hollywood to let me direct a movie. In fact, I don't need actors or a camera crew or anything! All I need is an artist. And if that doesn't work out for some reason, I'll just enjoy the movie in my head." Don't call it The Motion Picture, Joss. Any motion picture you've attached your name to has pretty well failed.
Feb. 5, 2007, 4:45 p.m. CST
to answer your Andrew question, I got from the preview that the Immortal thing as a false rumor was actually Andrew's idea - he researched the Immortal and thought it would be a hoot to get him together with Buffy. This makes perfect sense, because of Andrew's penchant for telling stories. With these rumors, (it looks like all the info that Andrew fed Spike was deliberately false) he's writing his own fan fiction. And it adds an extra layer to the Girl in Question episode, as that ep is strictly about Angel and Spike's obsessions, competition, and foolish pride, falling over themselves for a decoy. Bah, I think you misunderstood Joss (or I'm misunderstanding you) - by saying it was deliberately mundane, he is saying that the show WAS what he intended: fantasy about everyday life in a focused, grounded universe, as opposed to a big special-effect globe-trotting adventure that you can do for a bit less money in a comic. He's not Lucas, constantly going back and 'fixing' his work - he's looking for ways to expand his work into new styles and universes (if there's any doubt, read Fray)
Feb. 5, 2007, 4:50 p.m. CST
since this Buffy comic has been in the pipeline for quite some time before WW fell through (an ousting? Hardly), that's kind of a false, unjustified conclusion. And since he's directly exactly 1 movie (which while not very successful, was NOT a flop) and other motion pictures with 'his name attached' include the 'total failures' of Toy Story and Speed, let's wait a little before we call him a total failure.
Feb. 5, 2007, 4:51 p.m. CST
Feb. 5, 2007, 5:31 p.m. CST
by Childe Roland
I just said movies with his name attached to them have pretty well failed. Serenity, while a decent enough little movie, failed financially. Alien Ressurection failed, well, on just about every level I can think of. Buffy (the movie) was not well received. He's got some writing cred for Toy Story and Speed (seriously, would you be proud of that if you were him) and for X-Men (which managed to be decent despite his very memorably bad dialogue contribution), but those aren't the big screen misfires folks associate with him. As for this comic and what you claim is a false and unjustified conclusion by me, until very recently Joss was calling this planned comic run Buffy Season 8. As in TV scope and scale. I find it odd that his upgrade of that scope and scale to cinematic proportions coincides so perfectly with the news that he's left Wonder Woman to pursue other career goals, or whatever euphemism you prefer. Nothing false or unjustified about that perception. He created it with his timing. And he's a good writer, so it's hard for me to imagine he was unaware of the effect his word choice and timing would have. But feel free to disagree with me...just don't put words into my mouth to create arguments you find easier to cope with. It's very 2006.