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Bad News About Aardman And Dreamworks...

Hey, everyone. ”Moriarty” here. I’m surprised by this news, but I’m also sort of not surprised by this news. It’s certainly a big announcement, and it will have an impact on both Aardman and Dreamworks, I’m sure. With Dreamworks and Paramount working together now, I think Nickelodeon is going to be providing films instead of Aardman. I’m going to talk to some of the people I know at Dreamworks this week, and I’m sure I’ll hear some more about this announcement then. Here’s the e-mail I got that sent me scurrying to read more.

DREAMWORKS HAVE DITCHED AARDMAN BBC news clip on the cancelling of the deal half way through. Click here for the Real Player video Or Click Here For Variety's story on the split! I find this deeply irritating, with DVD sales and toys, you can guarantee Dreamworks at the very least broke even with Were Rabbit and Flushed Away. But because it's not raking in as much cash as Pixar's they are dropping the creative and comedy genius that is Aardman Animations. I just hope Pixar step in and fund them to make the films that they, and a massive community of artists and animators around the world want.
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  • Jan. 31, 2007, 4:38 a.m. CST


    by Vicenzo

    What were they thinking?

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 4:42 a.m. CST


    by Steve Rogers

    Aardman is genius. Wallace and Gromit rule all.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 4:44 a.m. CST

    A real shame

    by supertoyslast

    I thought we already knew this, but I guess it's only now "official". So I suppose that, in future, animated films will be even more alike than they are now.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 4:48 a.m. CST

    I don't care

    by Gwai Lo

    I know a lot of people like the guy and his stuff but honestly I have no interest whatsoever in anything he has ever made.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 4:55 a.m. CST

    Yay Dreamworks

    by jack scagnetti

    Creature comforts;shit Flushed away;turd . this is KIDDIE CRAP. Park is a cunt. GIMME WONDERSHOWZEN the movie.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 4:56 a.m. CST

    Gwai Lo

    by Boba Fat

    But you care enough to read the article and post on the talback?

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 4:58 a.m. CST


    by jack scagnetti

    only takes a second.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 5 a.m. CST

    maybe the americans

    by emeraldboy

    dont like whimsy. anyway I have noticed that all counties are making films for their own audiences these days. certainly the brits are doing this . british movies made by british directors with british casts, writers etc. whether thes movies are good or not is a whole different. I seem to remember Tim Robbins calling for hollwood to make american films with american crews. He may a call for the winding up of amrican films being made overseas. So maybe its a good thing that aardman will be making movies on thier home soil. Rupert murdoch has very deep pockets.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 5:05 a.m. CST


    by Boba Fat

    I know, but it's not about how long it takes it's about how much interest you have in the story. I'm not looking for a fight but I was a little bemused by Gwai Lo's post. Why fill up a talback with a post about how you've no intrest in the talback? And yes, I'm aware I haven't mentioned Aardman in this post. Ironic isn't it?

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 5:10 a.m. CST

    better to be flushed away than circling the drain

    by newc0253

    seriously, how well did flushed away do financially? or even critically? i know wererabbit was a critical hit but i have no idea whether any of the aardman flics actually made money. or is it just a case, as the email suggests, that they bought in cash but not pixar-style cash?

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 5:11 a.m. CST

    forget that, i just read the variety article

    by newc0253

    and it answered all my stupid questions.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 5:14 a.m. CST

    hmmm- could Aardman now team up with..

    by Amy Chasing

    Pixar/Disney (like Brad Bird did)? Jim Henson Productions (like Genndy Tartakovsky)? Or, and this would be freaky, if they could collaborate with Studio Ghibli, Tim Burton or even Lucasfilm. <P> One thing's for sure, they survived the fire, they will survive this. Be interesting to see who has the wisdom to work with them next.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 5:20 a.m. CST

    AMY-Studio Ghibli?

    by jack scagnetti

    are you insane? NO FUCKING COMPARISON,a collaboration would be like mixing caviar ans shit. park is a cunt. Ray Harryhausen should kick his ass out of the fuckin universe.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 5:32 a.m. CST

    sorry jack, I guess I don't know Park as well as you do

    by Amy Chasing

    I just like the work Aardman has produced. I think they have a really good feel for kids stories (like Chicken Run & Curse Of The Were-Rabbit, haven't seen Flushed Away yet), much like Miyazaki - sure they're different, but so were Lennon & McCartney, and they did their best work together. <P> I'm just throwing ideas out there, that's all.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 5:38 a.m. CST

    Amy Chasing, I think Jack's...

    by Boba Fat

    looking for a fight, either that or Nick Park abused him as a child

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 5:41 a.m. CST

    AMY; Lennon and Macca=miyazaki and park?

    by jack scagnetti

    dude your mental.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 5:49 a.m. CST


    by jack scagnetti

    just because you vehemently dissagree with an opinion does not mean you want a fight.Nicks a cunt, not because he abused me,or your mom, because he's crap. All his technique and style were appropriated from Sproxton and Lord. They did it better,and nick is a dick.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 5:52 a.m. CST

    well, if Aardman's creative ideas aren't enjoyed..

    by Amy Chasing

    by some, I can hardly expect mine to be. ;)

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 6:04 a.m. CST

    Sorry Jack

    by Boba Fat

    I took the fact that you were calling other people a "cunt" "mental" and inviting Harryhausen to "kick Nick Parks ass out of the fucking universe" as you being agressive. I realise now it's part of your charm

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 6:09 a.m. CST

    aardman were oki, now we will get more of the same crap

    by roxyprime

    oh well. anyone noticed like nearly all the animated films recently have either been shrek ripoffs or animals in odd situations??? and is anyone else a bit bored of the cgi 3d shtick? i see pretty much everything at my cinema and nearly always leave a little wonder kids these days are all morons and brats if this is what they are subjected to.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 6:08 a.m. CST

    Fuck Dreamworks

    by Shawn F.

    They don't deserve to release movies like Were-Rabbitt and Flushed Away. Let them stick to 2nd tier crap like 'Madagascar'. Yeah, I know their stuff makes money, but you know what they say about a fool and his money...

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 6:14 a.m. CST

    Nintendo broke the story.

    by CoursinLarry

    I read about this earlier on the Wii News Channel! It's sad news, in a way. But Aardman will still create what are far and away the best animated movies out there (Pixar excluded). And after Shrek 3 stinks up the joint, Dreamworks'll be wishing they'd handled things differently.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 6:14 a.m. CST

    Vicenzo RE:What were they thinking? $90 million flushed

    by Mace Tofu

    Flushed away lost $90 million, that is one hell of a bank loan to pay back is what they were thinking.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 6:15 a.m. CST

    jack - I am talking about Aardman, not Nick Park.

    by Amy Chasing

    Sproxton & Lord were producers of Chicken Run and Curse Of The Were-Rabbit. I liked those films and know it's not just the work of one guy. If the creative powers of a high quality production house like Aardman were combined with another, who knows what they could achieve. It may work, it may not - we know what they can do on their own, so I'm just toying with ideas of what they could do with other companies I like. <P> But I think you can rest easy, the possibility of Aardman & Ghibli doing work together is about as likely as you coming up with something favorable about Nick Park. You do know it's virtually impossible Aardman & Ghibli will work together, don't you? I sure do, even though I suggested it. It's called making conversation.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 6:24 a.m. CST

    Sorry Boba..

    by jack scagnetti

    If you confused my animosity to Park with animosity directed at you. But i do think its perfectly acceptable to lambast public figures,like Park. and i do think the comparison with Miyazaki and Park is mental. One has a catalogue of meaningful and significant work, the other does makes plasticine chickens. The charm of this site is that you can express yourself in a verbose or antagonistic manner if you so desire, and i'd love to see Ray Harryhausen kick Parks ass outta the fuckin' galaxy. Long live free speech .

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 6:24 a.m. CST

    I don't know what's more amazing

    by Amy Chasing

    the Aardman & Dreamworks break-up, or that the Wii has it's own News Channel?! That's cool. Anyways, off to bed with me - shouldn't keep my lovely other-half waiting

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 6:27 a.m. CST

    Is it late 2006 already?

    by myspoonistoobig

    Didn't I already know this?

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 6:30 a.m. CST


    by jack scagnetti

    Sproxton and Lord were making plasticine figures when Park was in diapers. It may have just been lord but in the 1970/early eighties they did a character called MORPH. this thing appeared on an art show and all of the charm of a fully realised character that was arguably better than anything Park has ever done, and essentially it was identical in process. and thanks for letting me know your comments were spurious.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 6:34 a.m. CST

    Guess that means

    by Bob Muttonchops

    more factory churned pixar wannabies then?

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 6:36 a.m. CST

    Fuck Dreamworks

    by Kentucky Colonel

    Fuck them up their fucking asses. On the other hand, no corporate bullshit focus groups to deal with. Fewer suits and all that shit. While not in the best interest of the bottom line, I think this will be in the creative team's best interest. Love to see Aardman skewer Dreamworks!!!

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 6:42 a.m. CST

    about ghibli

    by conbarba

    this is not really a strange idea. Miyazaki is an Aardman admirer and actually right now in Ghibli Museum they have a pretty awesome exhibition about Aardman. Even if you dont like them (like me) the exhibition is absolutely awesome. And Ghibli Museum is nor piece of crap either. Anyway, Aardman features are crap. Short films are better.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 7:06 a.m. CST

    That's cuz Spielburg

    by Spandau Belly

    wouldn't accept Uwe Boll's funding on ethical principle.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 7:19 a.m. CST

    With Lasseter running feature animation at disney

    by emeraldboy

    A disney owned Aardman seems like a good idea but The studio Ghibli one sounds awesome.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 7:23 a.m. CST


    by SaintX99

    they dont know what theyre missing!

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 7:50 a.m. CST

    Jack Scagnetti

    by raw_bean

    I have many fond childhood memories of Morph, but better than Wallace & Grommit? Maybe in Bizarro-world.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 7:58 a.m. CST


    by jack scagnetti

    Give morph a break, maybe you were too young to apreciate it. Maybe Tony Hart befuddled your memory with his man mammaries.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 7:58 a.m. CST

    Mace Tofu

    by raw_bean

    Where did that "$90 million" loss for Flushed Away come from? According to BoxOfficeMojo, FA cost 149 mill, earned 63 mill US domestic and 107 mill foreign, for a total of 170 mill worldwide. Granted, that doesn't include marketing expenses, but it doesn't include DVD sales or merchandise either. Surely it's well into the black, overall (if not enough to be considered a big hit or anything.)

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 7:59 a.m. CST

    long live aardman!

    by LegoKenobi

    wallace and gromit rule. that is all.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 8:05 a.m. CST

    Raw: 1/2 the BO goes to the theaters

    by Mace Tofu

    Whatever the true #'s end up I'm not the one who got dumped...they LOST MONEY on Flushed away. In other news Uwe Boll still working...

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 8:07 a.m. CST


    by raw_bean

    Or maybe the soul-destroyingly bad music from 'The Gallery' impaired my brain. Then again, I don't think so. I've seen Morph years later, and I still think it's good, but W&G win. Although they peaked in 'The Wrong Trousers', I will say.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 8:14 a.m. CST

    Moriarty, you douche!

    by Rufus

    Pixar funding Aardman. Not fucking likely, aardman is every bit of a competition as dreamworks or anything else, how can you even say such just proves that you've no idea how the animation industry works.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 8:14 a.m. CST

    Incidentally, figures for W&G Were-Rabbit box office:

    by raw_bean

    (from the same site I mentioned above) Production budget $30 million, domestic gross $56 million, foreign $136 million, total of $192 million. Classing this as some kind of 'failure' can surely only have come from completely unrealistic expectations. ------- Just seen your follow up Mace Tofu; fair enough. W&G must still have been profitable though. Anyway, I don't really care, as long as Aardman still make some films (and they're as good as the ones I've enjoyed so far).

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 8:17 a.m. CST


    by jack scagnetti

    fair enough.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 8:22 a.m. CST

    Personally, this is a good thing...

    by Lemming

    Flushed Away while ok, had way too much 'dreamworks' style stuff in it. pop soundtrack, not enough British-styled jokes. Aardman on their own can at least do what they please without some Dreamworks exec going "Make it more like Shrek! The stupid fuckers LIKE shrek!"

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 8:25 a.m. CST

    Hmm, I'm confused, Jack...

    by raw_bean

    ...this is an AICN talkback, and you and I disagree on an issue pretty strongly, and yet we've not engaged in verbal abuse. Is this one of the signs of the coming Apocalypse?

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 8:27 a.m. CST


    by raw_bean

    I was just thinking that, actually. Though the FA pop-culture references were a cut above the usual Dreamworks stuff, with Nemo's appearances and clever use of the Millenium-Falcon-failing-to-go-into-hyperspace-sound.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 8:30 a.m. CST

    I saw Flushed Away....

    by Big_Bubbaloola

    and i gotta say it was a darn sight better than many of the recent cgi'd flicks. I thought it had done really well in the UK and Europe. But then I forget, if it's not popular in the US of A then it's an unmitigated failure!!!! Fucking Hollywood stiffs!!!

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 8:37 a.m. CST

    DreamWorks Animation had to take writedowns

    by Mace Tofu

    FTA: "DreamWorks Animation had to take writedowns due to the weak performance of the two recent pics." They took out a BANK LOAN for $140 million. The LONGER it takes to pay off the loan the MORE it cost you in the long run in xtra finance cost to the Bank. Using the old 3X the cost to profit FLUSHED AWAY would of needed to make $447 Million (3X $149) worldwide for everyone to be happy. Dreamworks is not happy...

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 8:38 a.m. CST


    by Lemming

    I see what you mean, but you could really see the dividing line between DreamWorks and Aardman's input in there. ie. screaming slug? Aardman. Making it sing? Dreamworks. All the pop tunes? Dreamworks. Etc, etc. It wasn't pop culture references I had a problem with, it was the pop soundtrack. Every other Aardman venture had it's own soundtrack.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 8:48 a.m. CST

    People like saying 'Ghibli'

    by performingmonkey

    I've realised people like typing and saying the word 'Ghibli'. I guess it makes them feel special, like they're more than just a loser who happens to have seen Spirited Away (or that one with Adama doing a voice in the English dubbed version).

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 8:49 a.m. CST


    by conbarba

    glad we have you.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 8:58 a.m. CST

    Aint it boring news?

    by Motoko Kusanagi


  • Jan. 31, 2007, 9:03 a.m. CST

    This is not bad news, actually

    by Onomaki Forp

    According to the BBC, Aardman's differences with Dreamworks were based on Dreamworks insistance on moving to computer generated animation whereas Aardman wished to maintain their identity through the claymation process and their very distinctivly English sense of humour. I'd rather see Aardman remain Aardman even if this means they won't be funded by Dreamworks.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 9:07 a.m. CST

    Flushed Away got totally ignored

    by StovetopStuffin'

    I can't believe that it didn't get nominated for an academy award. It should even WIN! It's the best one I saw all year. And I'm usually really loyal to Pixar and Anti-Dreamworks. I would love it if Pixar swooped in and helped them out and made Dreamworks eat it. DW should have been promoting the hell out of Flushed Away the way they did for Happy Feet and Over The Hedge and shit like that

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 9:24 a.m. CST

    Studio Animation is stuck in the horse latitudes

    by Pound Sand

    The formula is totally stale and needs a good kick in the arse. Think about how many animated films (all comers, Pixar, Dreamworks, etc.) use essentially the same formula. Lite comedy, cute-sified anthropomorphic animals/monsters/toys/machines, B-list celebrity voices, and a few poop/fart jokes. Voila. Instant millions. Add in a video game tie-in and merch. and it's been a sure-shot. The problem comes when there are 6 mediocre movies like this a year. It's hard to generate much of a movie-boner for Happy Feet, or Flushed Away because, well, the same things been done to death at this point. Somebody needs to think different within this industry and find a new path for the big event computer/convetional/clay animated films. I'm exempting Miyazake out of this discussion for obviious reasons..

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 10:08 a.m. CST

    Good for Aardman

    by jimmy_009

    They don't need that soulless, creatively bankrupt studio. They'll find someone to pick them up.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 10:43 a.m. CST

    Sounds like good news for us.

    by Reelheed

    Hopefully aardman will concentrate on putting out more quality tv and less second rate movies. I mean, c'mon, wererabbit and flushed away? really? Is that all you've got? Underwhelming.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 11:06 a.m. CST

    Holy Shit

    by dogstar69

    am i really reading this type of feedback towards animation "park is a cunt" is that the best anyone can say. when will they're be any kind of properly critical posts. seems people have nothing better to do than flame in the talkback. i think a few people just need to be hugged more by their parents

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 11:08 a.m. CST

    For the love of god...

    by PwnedByStallone

    change the flash animation in the corner. It's almost fucking February and I'm tired of seeing Harry's oily obese body sliding down a pole!

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 11:10 a.m. CST

    RE: "Idiots"

    by jorson2

    Easy to say when it's not YOUR money being lost.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 11:33 a.m. CST

    dreamworks sucks, aardman is better of without them

    by Evil Hobbit

    Dreamworks was never respectfull to the gems like Wallace or Chicken Run. Instead they market every fucking film as if it is made by the creative minds of Shrek and fucking Shark Tale. Disney/pixar had a nice distribution deal. Disney 'presents' a 'Pixar Animation Studios film'. The difference is in those little parts. Oh well, I think Disney will be eager to make a deal with them, they tried it before and now with Lasseter at the helm, who knows.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 12:12 p.m. CST

    Barnyard was fucking painful.

    by Big Bad Clone

    I never saw Flushed Away but after seeing what Nickelodeon movies has to offer, I have to believe that anything from Aardman (even w/o Nick Park) has to be far better. Jesus, did you see the fucking plastic udders they put on the bulls? And the dialoge had none of the wit of anything spoken by Gromit.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 12:14 p.m. CST

    Re: Blarneyman

    by Rendell

    I think you completly missed the point, its quaintness is a big part of its appeal for most people.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 12:12 p.m. CST

    Mix it up

    by instant_karma

    I think Aardman should try and move out of their comfort zone a little bit and try different types of material. After Team America, I reckon that Parker and Stone could come up with a great claymation script.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 12:41 p.m. CST

    If your are looking for someone to blame for the

    by emeraldboy

    parlous state of animation. blame eisner, studios dont understand the animation process. They never have. Animation takes years. It is not something that can be created in six month time frame. I wish Lasseter well in his attempt to Disney 2D. But like 300, which is hollywood's final stab at the Sword and Sandal epic, they only have one shot left.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 12:43 p.m. CST

    I wager that few have seen ealing comedies

    by emeraldboy

    in the US so of course Wag are going to come of as quaint.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 12:48 p.m. CST

    If Lassiter is smart...

    by Zarles

    ...he'll snap up Aardman and integrate them into his plan to bring back more traditional animation movies for Disney. Aardman has an ENORMOUS following in the UK, and they can be a profitable entity if managed properly. If DW wants to keep pumping out Pixar-wannabe bullshit, let them.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 1:05 p.m. CST

    Good- for a sec I thought it was going to be Flushed 2

    by finky089

    a sequel would have been bad news for moviegoers who didn't really like the film to begin least, not so much in the States.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 2:04 p.m. CST

    ah well, aardmans flushed away was fucking awful

    by misnomer

    I think thats the reason.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 2:19 p.m. CST


    by jack scagnetti

    Critical posts? this aint CSPAN.You want real criticism on Aardman? Theres nothing to crit, it's just plasticine chickens voiced by mel gibson.It's like asking for a crit on gumby or stewart little.VIVA la WONDERSHOWZEN

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 2:19 p.m. CST

    I reckon if they had any

    by dr_buggerlugs

    I reckon if they had any sense, Aardman would just go independent for a little while, start another feature and then shop it from interference, free from having to abide by studio quotas and their notes and let them make the kind of film they're known for...any studio exec with half a brain would snap that fucker up in an instance.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 2:37 p.m. CST

    performingmonkey is kinda right

    by Amy Chasing

    people do like saying "ghibli" - especially the people who formed the studio. There's a documentary around that shows one of the main reasons they chose the word "ghibli" was because they liked the way it sounded. But is it pronounced jibli or gibli? They think jibli, but whatever the case it's ghibli, ghibli, ghibli. <P> [begin_stupid] say, I wonder if Spirited Away's on cable somewhere {chews gum} yeah, and I hope it's got English voices, cause who wants to _read_ a movie. Those Chinese sure do know how to make a good cartoon. But they should remember there's more people speaking English than Chinese. [/end-stupid]

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 3:05 p.m. CST

    I felt bad until I read this whiny quote...

    by tonagan

    Arthur Sheriff, a spokesman for the film's British makers, Aardman Animations, said Wednesday it had been "extremely hard" for their films to crack the United States. "It seems that in the US market, Wallace and Gromit are incredibly popular in the main cities but it's more difficult when you go to middle America," he said. "The humour is a bit more subtle." "We want to stay with our English quirkiness and I think the fans want us to as well."

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 4:15 p.m. CST

    Ratatouille = "I have a bad feeling about this"

    by finky089

    Pixar can only afford to try and fail so many times. Cars was better than I thought it would be, but it failed to connect with mass audiences as well as Incredibles (I liked) or Finding Nemo (I wasn't particularly endeared with). If "Ratatouille" doesn't connect better than Cars, increasing numbers of people will admit the Pixar "gold" is beginning to tarnish. <p>That doesn't make them "bad", but it will be an undebatable end to their "streak" of hits, which is more and more what's defining them from their competitors who are catching up, technologically. <p> Storywise, they're proabbly still a good leap ahead of the other guys, though. "Ratatouille" still looks better than Disney's own "Meet the Robinsons", but who can tell...?

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 4:49 p.m. CST

    Tim Robbins should just shut up and throw strikes

    by RKDN Del Sol

    Tim Robbins supports social programs that are funded out of neccesity by increased taxes. Want to know why American films and American Tv shows are now being filmed and taped in Canada? Canada doesn't tax them - the United States does. So Mr Robbins should shut up his yapper about 'American Films in America' and maybe reconsider the tax burdon he continues to ask the rest of the country to bear.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 5:02 p.m. CST

    Liberals are some of the most illberal people

    by emeraldboy

    I sometimes wonder with robbins and sarandon is the whole liberal thing an act. The best perfomrance robbins ever gave was as a terrorist. an american terrorist. Arlington Rd was a great film. Really great. Really scary. The ending of that movie was awesome stuff.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 5:26 p.m. CST

    This is not bad

    by FlipTheFrog

    I think Dreamworks was holding Aardman back. This is a win. Aardman can secure distribution through other channels without the heavy creative interference from JK.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 6:38 p.m. CST

    It's really quite clear

    by jegoing74

    Dreamworks was a struggeling studio then and made partnerships, and was absorbed by the VIACOM giant. Now it's merely a subsidary of Viacom and part of Paramount pictures. It's only a name now. SKG bailed out of that sinking ship.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 6:39 p.m. CST


    by Mace Tofu

    City of BOSTON shut down for 4 hours today due to attacks by ATHF promotional items left hanging near bridge. LOL funny and ATHFCTM gets some free press ( unless they have to pay the city for the bomb scare cost)

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 6:41 p.m. CST

    They're currently making a Wallace & Gromit short

    by performingmonkey

    To be aired next Christmas. Also, I believe they restarted the Tortoise and the Hare flick they shelved pre-Curse of the Were-Rabbit. They fucking don't need Dreamworks ruining them.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 6:56 p.m. CST

    I'd say it was simply conflict of interest.

    by bioforge

    Let's not forget the leads of Shrek are a bastard ogre and a loser donkey. The cute and friendly leads are better left for the rest of the animation world. It's all about the image they want to portray.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 6:57 p.m. CST

    When movies about talking pieces of shit are playing...

    by Doc_Strange

    That's a sure sign that there's absolutely nothing showing in theaters. Yes, Flushed Away had what looked like brown and green pieces of talking shit. That and some mice. I'm sorry, I don't feel like paying ten bucks to see pieces of talking shit crack jokes on a Friday night. I don't care how genius your studio is. If anything, such genius is wasted on small-minded fare like this.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 7:22 p.m. CST

    Flushed bombed with a cinema full of kids under 10...

    by quantize

    ..when i took my newphew and niece to just wasn't hitting the right marks at all.The kids laughed only a handful of times...they told me they didn't think it was too good..any they're big Wallace and Grommit fans..I think there's an unique english eccentricity in that universe that felt missing or watered down for an international audience in Flushed Away..This news doesn't surprise me at all..

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 7:32 p.m. CST

    Mace Tofu, here's the latest on that...

    by Uncapie

    Boston P.D. made an arrest in the marketing department an hour ago. Granted, we do live in some paranoid times(Two plus two is five, Winston!)and I'd rather be safe than sorry, but these guys should have at least cleared it with the cops, a radio station or the city before doing something like this. Then again, I don't think Boston P.D. spends their time watching the Cartoon Channel.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 7:37 p.m. CST

    Aardman: Features suck, shorts awesome

    by turk128

    Pretty much, their high point was Chicken Run and even that doesn't compare to their shorts. Don't know why they don't STAY with shorts since that's where they clearly excel.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 7:39 p.m. CST

    It was never going to work

    by kevred

    This is probably good news for Aardman at the end of the day. What they do just can't be made into the next American bubblegum empty junk. They're not Shrek. Shrek is what sells, it's what makes big money. And it's dumb, and it's made for dumb people, and the humor is easy and cheap. Best not to try to be affiliated with that. It's so rare that British quality is compatible with big American mainstream excess. (I'm still a bit flabbergasted that Hugh Laurie is a hugely successful mainstream TV star here. But that's the exception.) Aardman, Ghibli, all the rest can only be corrupted and diluted by association with Hollywood. Here's hoping they can be successful and happy without the poison of the mainstream industry.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 7:47 p.m. CST

    No big deal...

    by Ecto-1

    No big deal, I wouldn't be too worried about this. Aardman have been around a loooong time before Dreamworks and they'll be going strong for a long time after. I've been a fan of Aardman's work for a long time and I love what they do. Curse of the Were-rabbit was a classic, but I'll admit I wasn't too fussed on Flushed Away.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 9:20 p.m. CST

    so was flushed away...

    by occula

    ...a result of aardman being nervous about their future and maybe being approached by dreamworks, and they were probably reeling a bit from the fire (my time frame may be screwed up here) and thought a bad idea was a good one? i could see a small company with charm getting swallowed by a big company with clout and cash. happens all the time. i for one applaud any effort to keep claymation alive and kicking. go grommit!

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 11:06 p.m. CST

    Now Listen

    by ThoseArentPillows

    The influences of Dreamworks was so obvious on all the Aardman features. The bunnies tested well, add more bunnies. The slugs got laughs, add them ad nausiem. The charm of Aardman has been diluted and compromised by an American studio who could never truely understand it's charm. They try to package it and sell it but they couldn't even do that. In the end it was Dreamworks who rushed through Flushed Away, and forced Aardman to shoot Wererabbit without a proper ending. They tried to consume them and absorb them into their own corporate ideology. The fact that Wererabbit broke even wasn't good enough for them either. Not suprising then that the results were mixed, as was the box office. Aardman are truely a great studion and one where creativity and commerce sit(delicately) hand in hand. They will go from strenght to strength with Dreamworks out of the way. Ironic though. Dreamworks films are truely bad. Ps Jack Spaghetti, you know for certain Nick Park's a cunt? It's so true isn't it? After all, look at the way he reacted when fire destroyed so much of the studios heratage...he responded by saying "there are more important things going on in the world at the moment" (paraphrase). Yeah what a cunt. He has more talent, grace and humility than you will ever know. Go play with yourself some more.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 11:25 p.m. CST


    by CornsilkSW

    Dreamworks makes inferior movies to Pixar anyway, so now that Pixar is free from the house of mouse's iron deathgrip, maybe Pixar will team up with Aardman and make the greatest animated adventure movie ever.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 11:28 p.m. CST


    by theonecalledshoe

    Was flushed away a good movie by any standard??

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 11:57 p.m. CST

    Mish87, You Douche!

    by drew mcweeny

    I didn't say anything about Pixar. <P>Just goes to prove you don't know anything about reading comprehension.

  • Feb. 1, 2007, 12:10 a.m. CST

    Aardman doesnt need em.

    by imageburn13

    Were-rabbit was a wonderful culmination of all things approached earlier by W&G. I was captivated from beginning frame to last. Good thing Dreamworks didn't poison the Aardman well earlier. Someone else who respects the english-ocity of W&G tenfold more than DW will bankroll future projects, and Aarman will continue to prosper, not be hindered.

  • Feb. 1, 2007, 12:45 a.m. CST

    Mori's right, Mish87.

    by Uncapie

    Every independent animation house needs a major distributor. Without one, they don't get a major release and they don't get the major push. If you're lucky, you can book an independent theater chain to show your film, but you won't see any major returns. Gone are the drive-in theater circuits and the second run houses where there was a market for the indie and they would be dependent on these movies. Aardman is talented and can strike up a deal with another studio, so its not the end of the world for them. They just need better story ideas. Quite frankly, I don't know why Dreamworks is in such a hurry to get rid of them. Dreamworks did create "Prince Of Egypt" which was nothing but, "Ben Hur" that we all saw with Charleton Heston in the lead and the only thing that I remember about "Prince Of Egypt" was the promotional soda cup that Lawrence Tierney took a piss in at the Egyptian Theater in Hollywood during the q&a on Robert Wise's "Born To Kill" he starred in! Otherwise, that movie was a tuna. A big one.

  • Feb. 1, 2007, 3:41 a.m. CST

    ThoseArentPillows Bravo, man

    by Lemming

    Couldn't have said it better. The moron's in this talkback went straight for the kneejerk shit and now they have egg on their face. Well done for telling it how it is, mate.

  • Feb. 1, 2007, 4:28 a.m. CST


    by jack scagnetti

    Morons? Who you calling moron, moron.

  • Feb. 1, 2007, 4:38 a.m. CST

    this isn't bad news

    by filmcoyote

    this is great news. Now Aardman can wrest back creative control and make quality movies not crap like Flushed Away which had all the hallmarks of a typically rushed and unimaginative DreamWorks animation and almost none of the originality and inventiveness of Aardman. This news can only be a good thing for Aardman, now i might be able to look forward to a new movie from them. If they need backing though I hope Pixar - where the animation talent in Hollywood really lays - give them support.

  • Feb. 1, 2007, 6:40 a.m. CST

    I am not normally one who supports eisner

    by emeraldboy

    but i think he might have been on to something when he kicked katzenburg the talking skull out of the disney kingdom. All of Dreamworks movies have been moribund morality tales with brief flashes of wit here and there. Shrek 2 was a terrible film and Sharktale was an abonimation, unfunny, dull, heavyhanded. Princes of Egypt was a snorefest a dull history lesson. It wasnt a fun film. Dreamworks animation has failed and maybe just maybe Eisner, who ran disney into the ground, was justified in firing Katzenberg. Afterall, Pixar now runs disney animation and Katsenberg cant run an animation studio to save his life.

  • Feb. 1, 2007, 7:32 a.m. CST

    Park was never Katzenburg's bitch and that's why...

    by workshed

    ...the relationship never truly flourished. Aardmann was always the antithesis of Disney and Dreamworks so one could never expect a meeting of minds (as was patently obvious during the promotion for W+G:TCOTWR. Katzenburg looked lost during interviews trying to explain his admiration for Aardmann's ethos. Could the split also be due to the fact that Aardmann has had to rebuild massively due to the terrible fire at their studios (perhaps Jeffrey had purchased a box of matches that day). Whilst i believe that Flushed Away was the worst movie Aardmann has ever been associated with the comparisions with Dreamworks other animated features this year leaves me in no doubt as to which was the most imaginative. 'Happy Feet' mad me want to wretch and 'Over The Hedge' was the final nail in the career of Garry Shandling imho. Let's face the facts - it's Dreamworks that is in trouble. Devoid of new ideas/innovations they stumble back to make another Shrek (also the end of Mike Myers credibility) to fill the coffers which then allows them to carry on making rubbish time and again. Park, on the other hand, is a perfectionist (as his shorts flicks attest) and no amount of money, big or little, has ever influenced the outcome of his intentions as a filmmaker. I do hope that somewhere (in a dark corner of Nick Park's attic) there is an unfettered version of 'Curse' replete with all the subtle references to Northern English life that made him such a joy in the first place. And, at the end of the day, Katzenburg can never say 'I wrote and directed that movie' whilst Park can shout proudly, for the rest of his life and beyond, "I made 'The Wrong Trousers'" - the only animated film in the latter part of the Twentieth Century that stands beside King Kong, Snow White , Buster Keaton and the best work of Harryhausen as the pinnacle of modern animation. It may be a bad day for Dreamworks' shareholders but it's a great day for lovers of Cinema.

  • Feb. 1, 2007, 9:49 a.m. CST


    by emeraldboy

    I nearly fully agree with what you say. The wrong trouser remains the finest animated short film to come from anywhere, even as i looked at it the christmas, the scene where Wallace and gromit pursue feathers McGraw, still made the hairs stnd up on the back of my neck. the whole thing is utter brillance anyway but that scene makes it a masterpeice. Parks talent puts the entire puts the entire british movie industry and for all barry norman crowing about britains lack of oscars, there is at least one guy in bristol who would beg to differ. My brother brought his two children to see Happy feet in spain where he lives and he hated every minute of it demolishing it as utter garbage. Enough with the penguins. I liked it But cars is the best animated film of the year.

  • Feb. 1, 2007, 1:36 p.m. CST

    Aardman have just annouced a sequel

    by emeraldboy

    to wallace and gromit. But whether it is a short or a full movie. no one knows.

  • Feb. 1, 2007, 1:43 p.m. CST

    that should read They have just announced a

    by emeraldboy

    sequel to Wallace and gromit curse of the were-rabbit.