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I am – Hercules!! How do the Cylons “evolve” into humanoids without knowing what “the final five Cylons” look like? What are the five unseen Cylon models doing inside the Eye of Jupiter, which was supposedly created by the 13th human colony? Why has Kara been painting the Eye of Jupiter all her life? I think you’d have to go all the way back to season one’s “Kobol’s Last Gleaming” to find an episode of “Battlestar Galactica” as intriguing as last week’s “Rapture.” It restored much of the Cylons’ – and the series’ – mystique. To recap: * All but one of the Cylon raiders turned back from the algae planet, so Galactica Actual put away its nukes. * Karl Agathon put some ordinance in his wife’s heart so she could rescue baby Hera Agathon. * Lee Adama ordered his wife to risk her life and rescue Kara Thrace. But Lee didn’t say anything about not slapping Kara around a little. * Galen Tyrol’s hesitation allowed the Cylons to put off the destruction of the Eye of Jupiter for a few minutes. When the algae planet’s sun went supernova, The Eye went all Well of Souls, and D’Anna Biers was allowed to see the faces of the “final five” Cylon models. “You,” D’Anna said to one of The Five. “Forgive me. I had no idea!” She then collapsed and died. * “Tell me, I have to know!” Gaius Baltar begged the dying D’Anna. “Did you see my face?” But before Baltar could see for himself, Tyrol welcomed Baltar home with a blunt object to the skull. * Six snapped Boomer’s neck and helped Athena (or somebody who looks just like Athena) escape to Galactica. So both Baltar and Six are back on Galactica now. * Helo demonstrated to Starbuck that she’s been painting the 4,000-year-old Eye of Jupiter image all her life. “It’s just something Leoben said once,” pondered Kara. “That I had a destiny … that had already been written.” * In another seeming nod to “Raiders of the Lost Ark,” Cavell put the last of the D’Annas into cold storage. One last question. Why does Bill Adama, knowing that the Sharon models can be programmed as sleeper agents, keep Hera’s mom on active duty? Isn’t that sort of … insane? “Galactica” is losing one of its seven main players this season; could the Sharon model be the next to get boxed up? If you’re wondering how “Galactica” did, ratings-wise, on its first Sunday night last week, we have word from Multichannel News:
The first of 10 episodes from the popular Sci Fi Channel series’ third season debuted Jan. 21 to a lukewarm 1.4 household rating/1.8 million viewers, according to an ABC Cable Networks Group analysis of Nielsen Media Research data. That’s below the 1.9 rating/2.1 million viewers the show averaged during the second half of its sophomore season from January-March 2006, when it aired on Friday nights, along with lead-in series Stargate Atlantis and Stargate SG-1. … … Despite the ratings falloff, the network said Battlestar was the No. 1 basic-cable entertainment program for the day among viewers 18-49 and 25-54. It also increased its viewership among those two demos by 60% and 18%, respectively, compared with its Dec. 15 finale. …
Read all of Multichannel’s story here. Tonight’s episode is said to deal with the disposition of Baltar, and the disposition of the Dee-Lee-Kara-Sam quadrangle. 10 p.m. Sunday. SciFi.

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  • Jan. 28, 2007, 8:43 a.m. CST

    please no more "X GOTTA EAT"....let it die already

    by SantiagoAtez


  • Jan. 28, 2007, 8:45 a.m. CST


    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    Looking forward to the ep.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 8:47 a.m. CST

    Did the show get a 4th season?!!!!

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    The story is so compelling that it would be a supreme shame if it is left untold!

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 8:48 a.m. CST

    wait...Rapture was "intriguing"?

    by SantiagoAtez

    I thought it was a pretty weak episode. Am I in the minority? I just don't find the actress who plays Sharon very convincing. And when there were "2" of her in that scene on the Cylon ship it felt like an audition from hell. But other Talkbackers seem to like her, so maybe it's just me.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 8:50 a.m. CST

    Looking forward to taping this episode

    by chrth

    Winter X-Games finishes up tonight, and besides, I'd rather fast-forward through the Steve & Lee & Kara & Dee "drama". That said, I hope the Baltar stuff is good fun.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 8:53 a.m. CST

    Any possible links in the Greek Mythology Names?

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    Everyone knows the names such as Athena and Apollo being the offspring of Zeus. We got Hera who is the pissed off wife of Zeus. I was wondering if their names/call signs forshadow their actions perhaps?! More research is necessary. And don't tellme that Xena fought a series long battle with Aries...!!!

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 9:05 a.m. CST

    I guess I opened the "GOTTA EAT" door for that one...

    by SantiagoAtez

    ...hmmmm...I gotta eat, I'm starvin'

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 9:07 a.m. CST

    people are waiting for the DVDs...

    by lynxpro

    That is what is causing the ratings to fall. That and the number of cable markets in the past year that have bumped the SciFi Channel up to the digital tier and no longer available on analog basic. There is no mystery.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 9:20 a.m. CST

    Cally is a Cylon

    by DPSinPA

    The Cylon D'Anna asked to forgive her is Cally.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 9:45 a.m. CST

    cally cylon = deanna apology

    by Darth_Baltar

    since they were gonna shoot her in the concentration camp that means xena owed her the 'apology'. Plus is shows that the Chief has a true machine fetish or falls for the wrong girl constantly...

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Where's the Spoilers?

    by Gorrister

    LOL. Sorry, just had to try out my Clara Peller voice. I guess SciFi didn't send out advance copies of this new half-season. No worries though. I'm more curious about how BSG will perform on a non-football night. ;)

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 9:48 a.m. CST

    Grace Park can speak?

    by Darth_Baltar

    I never noticed. ...she does look damn fine though

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 9:54 a.m. CST

    I GOTTA EAT...

    by cerebulon

    I'm pretty hungry. I'm thinking pizza.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 10 a.m. CST

    Blow by blow recap of last week's episode

    by snowpuff

    was weak. And confusing.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Six Gotta Eat!!

    by ShogunMaster

    I mean really, she looks like a stick bug. Get that toaster a Big Mac or something...

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 10:44 a.m. CST

    Apollo has a beer and CHEETS ON HIS WIFE!

    by ZeroCorpse

    Sorry. I'm strictly old-school.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 10:54 a.m. CST

    As long as they make Hulk Hogan as a Baddy

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    Sorry, couldn't resist!

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 10:54 a.m. CST


    by MrD

    It's Ares, not Aries. One is the god of war (and my cat), the other is a ram and a zodiac sign. Sorry. Pet peeve.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 10:57 a.m. CST

    Forget Singer.....

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    Ron Moore is doing a fine job. People give Singer way too much credit, IMHO. What else would Singer bring to the show? I am not sure after Superman Returns....

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 11:09 a.m. CST

    Herc's recap is good because...

    by NoHubris

    ...AICN readers who visit this site but do not watch the show could be encouraged to tune in as a result - thus, a possible increase in BSG viewers.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 11:10 a.m. CST

    RDM says this ep starts nice and ends badly

    by Col. Tigh-Fighter

    I think you'll get all the character development angst you want tonight, lol.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 11:16 a.m. CST

    Agreed, NoHubris.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Unfortunately, I've always found that the biggest hurdle with getting people interested in watching the show is the damn name = Battlestar Galactica. Either it brings up bad memories from the 70's or it just sounds too plain cheesy.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 11:17 a.m. CST

    But at least...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...Vog liked last week's episode...

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 11:54 a.m. CST

    MNG is right. They should change the title to

    by chrth

    Star Trek: Battlestar Galactica<p> ...runs...

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 12:02 p.m. CST

    is scifi smart enought to keep it?

    by jccalhoun

    Has there been any word on the renewal of BG for season 4? Last I heard there still hadn't been an official renewal.<br><br>If you read the whole article linked to it says: Sci Fi sister service USA Network fared better with returning series Monk and PsychFriday.<br><br>I wonder if part of the reason they moved BG to SUnday was to get out of USA's way on Friday nights?

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 12:04 p.m. CST

    LOL, you're right Mr. Nice Gaius

    by SantiagoAtez

    It kind of kills the conversation..."yeah, you should watch The Wire, Deadwood, and...Battlestar, wait, why are you walking away from me?"

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 12:03 p.m. CST

    3x13? isnt it 3x12?

    by ahdvd

    Or did i miss one?

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 12:19 p.m. CST

    Star Trek: Battlestar Galactica Five: A New Hope

    by Red Ned Lynch

    There are those who believe that life here began out there. It was the dawning of the third age of mankind. The Battlestar Galactica project was designed for a five year mission to flee the cylon tyranny with the secret plans to the Empire's ultimate weapon, the DEATH STAR, an armored space station with the mission to explore strange new worlds, to seek out new life and new civilizations, with enough power to destroy an entire planet. It failed. But in the year of the Shadow War they have a plan.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 12:31 p.m. CST

    Park vs Helfer

    by dj_bollocks

    We've seen the pics - clearly Ms Helfer is more than adequately qualified - Ms Park has to try harder for those clothes to fall off... Now if we can only convince the actress that plays Dualla....

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 12:34 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    I'm telling you now, I've had that EXACT same conversation!

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 12:37 p.m. CST

    SIx is the sexiest tomboy beanpole on the Galactica

    by MasterShake

    Even older school.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 12:37 p.m. CST

    I just got off the phone with X....

    by chromedome

    ...and he said "X Gotta eat!"<p>with apologies to SantiagoAtez

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 12:41 p.m. CST


    by Red Ned Lynch

    Yeah. I've even shown people on-line reviews and had them shake their heads at the end and say something like "but it's just goofy". People I've known for years and flat out know would like it if they just watched it. It's a hard hill to climb.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 12:42 p.m. CST

    I just noticed...

    by chromedome an "encore" showing of the Rapture another moment showcasing Baltar's truly self-centered nature. Not only did he encourage D'Anna's risk-taking, and as she lay dying in his arms all he could do was say "did you see MY face?"<p>but, the moment she died, he dropped her with a thunk, and then, as he stepped into the "eye" for his own vision, he pushed D'Anna's lifeless arm out of the way with his toe.<p>He may well be the Chosen One, but it is probably because he Chose Himself!

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 1:04 p.m. CST

    Red Ned Lynch

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Yep. However, I have a few friends (married couples who normally wouldn't be caught dead watching anything sci-fi related) who actually gave the show a chance when I described it as, "The West Wing meets The Hunt for Red October". It may have helped when I also said that the "space stuff" was second fiddle to the character/political intrigue. But nearly all of them were hooked by the time Adama gave his "As of this moment, we are at war." speech.<P>Another buddy of mine was a HUGE OS fan. He absolutely refused to watch the new show and couldn't believe that I liked it. When he finally caved in and bought the first season/mini DVD, he said he and his roommate were so riveted, they didn't leave their couch for 3 days.<P>It can be done!

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 1:06 p.m. CST


    by Cobbio

    I've lent my BSG Season 1 and Season 2 (2.0 and 2.5 combined) to several of my friends, and now they're all watching the show with more interest than me. Which sort of creeps me out, because I've been a fan of it since the beginning.<p> I've never seen "The Wire" and I've only seen two episodes of "Deadwood, so I can't really comment on those shows, but I never hesitate to include BSG on my list of 'most recommended' shows. My other favorite shows on television are "The Shield," "Six Feet Under, and the cutting edge science program "Nova," if that tells you anything.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 1:12 p.m. CST


    by Red Ned Lynch

    The only successes I've had so far involved putting it on when I've had people in the house. Of course, the most likely targets I know gave the mini a try and either watched it from there or drifted back to it based on the first season's word of mouth. I both live and work in a pretty geek rich environment. Unfortunately that also means geek elitest, who won't lower themselves to watch something while it's being broadcast.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Not Buying Cally...

    by Black Satin 2

    as a Cylon because wouldn't they have found out if she was a Cylon when Tyrol nearly beat her to death in the episode he was getting consulted by the chaplin who was a Cylon? I think we need to think back when D'Anna was a sleeper War Correspondent. I think it has to do with Kara Thrace.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 1:16 p.m. CST


    by Red Ned Lynch

    The Wire is really the very best show out there. Give it the first three episodes of season one and it will own you forever. Sorry to say that in a BSG talkback, and please don't kill me Gaius.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 1:23 p.m. CST

    I won't "kill" you Red Ned Lynch because...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius much as I love BSG, I thought Deadwood was the best show out there.<P>Truth.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Mr. Nice Gaius...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    Ahhh...well, when Deadwood was on it was always in a tight battle for second for me. Damn, I wish they'd gotten a chance to finish it up right.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 1:39 p.m. CST

    Cally is possible, but unlikely...

    by chromedome

    I originally thought it was not at all possible for Cally (Callie?) to be a cylon, since once she had a child in full view of the cylons on New Cap, they would have taken her and the baby. Once it became clear that even the cylons don't know who the final five are, well that opened the door for anyone to be a cylon (almost).<p>Since they keep finger pointing at Baltar and Starbuck, I think it will not be them.<p>I still think the Hybrid is the one D'Anna apologized to. Her realization of the profound significance and meaning of the Hybrid as one of the Five combined with the manner in which she and most of the other cylons completely dismissed Hybrids as a "lower form" compelled her to ask for forgiveness. The "beautiful" thing she saw may well have been the universe as seen by a Hybrid (which has been referenced in earlier episodes).<p>If the Final Five are involved in events, manipulating and monitoring, what better way than to have a Hybrid on every basestar, linked in to the cylons every move, every ship sensor and database?<p>And, at a key moment to come, could not the Hybrids cease to be subservient, and take control, refuse commands, etc.?<p>Chromedome Says It Is The Hybrid.<p>If I am wrong, I might change my handle to NoHybrids--or not.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 1:43 p.m. CST


    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...I don't think you're right about the first part of your speculation, but I wouldn't be at all suprised if you turn out to be spot on about the hybrids taking over at some key moment to come. Hadn't occurred to me before but now that you've brought it up it seems to perfect not to happen.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 1:44 p.m. CST

    If you wanted to deliver a spoiler-free preview, Herc

    by Oberon

    ...mission accomplished.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 1:49 p.m. CST


    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    I see what you're saying. But didn't Six say that the Hybrids (though Cylon in nature) are not considered one of the 12 Models? I think this was mentioned in The Zone, too. And I think it was the Leobon models who specifically believed in the importance of the utterances of the Hybrids. For what that's worth.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Nova timing...

    by chromedome

    It seemed to me that the Nova flared just about the time that D'Anna stepped into the circle. It was not explicitly shown to be simultaneous, but they showed Lee trying to trigger the blast after they had shown us D'Anna and Cavill removing detonators, then Lee and Chief going at it, then the Nova, then right back to the temple. So could the moment when Baltar shot Cavill have been coincident with Lee and Chief fighting, and then the moment D'Anna set foot in the circle been coincident with Lee & Chief seeing the nova flare?<p>The Final Five, if capable of triggering a nova, might then be very directly manipulating events on a cosmic scale, and Hybrids can bend space-time....<p>hmmmmmmm....

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 1:58 p.m. CST

    Cally taint no Cylon....

    by Hairy Nutsack

    Be real, she's practically a background character and having her be a Cylon would be a complete waste of a cliffhanger or surprise moment. She isn't even an officer, just enlisted.<p> Nope, I'm with ChromeyDomey. It was the Hybrid, and what a piece of brilliance that is!

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 2 p.m. CST

    Another possibility...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...was mentioned last week by Col. Tigh-Fighter: Amanda Plummer's oracle character from New Caprica.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 2:05 p.m. CST

    MNG, RNL

    by chromedome

    MNG: I agree--7 of the 12 believe that the hybrid is not one of the five, and not even of equal "status". When the hybrid did not want to abandon the virus-laden cylons, wasn't it even D'Anna who said "she doesn't get a vote"?<p>As you say, Leoben was (I think) the one mentioned as taking the Hybrid utterances as direct from God. So they planted that seed, then actively dismissed it with the other cylons. They have explicitly shown the Hybrid to be linked in to the Chosen One concept, and she spoke directly about the temple.<p>D'Anna's "Forgive me, I had no idea" is clearly an admission that she had been Wrong about something.<p>So I say the writers are misdirecting us toward more obvious candidates (that they themselves are making more obvious) and yet putting the elements in place to make the Hybrid Surprise legitimate. interesting that the hybrid was just introduced this season, don't you think?<p>RNL: Yes, sir! Even if I am Horribly Wrong about the Hybrid Surprise, a Hybrid Uprising could be really fun to watch!<p>cheers to both of you!

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 2:07 p.m. CST

    But Hairy Nutsack...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...remember the advertising? "One will realize they are a Cylon."<P>The key word: REALIZE. ;^)

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 2:13 p.m. CST

    One must also consider the possibility...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...that Starbuck may fill all three requirements when she disappears: she will die, she will realize (simultaneously) that she is a Cylon, and she will find Earth...

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 2:11 p.m. CST


    by Pageiv

    I still hate the move to Sunday, but last week rocked:

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Just for clarity...

    by chromedome

    My "Hybrid is the one D'Anna apologized to" theory does not mean that someone else won't "Realize" they are a cylon. There are, after all, Five that are unknown at this time.<p>The door is still open for almost anyone to discover that they are a cylon, since even the 7 (now down to 6) don't even know who they are, and since the writers deliberately "overlooked" the chance to smoke out any lurking cylons in the fleet with the harmless-to-humans virus.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 2:18 p.m. CST

    D'Anna was "killed" by the Final Five's....

    by chromedome

    ...Hybridlon to prevent her from revealing the true nature of the Hybrid to anyone just yet, as it would interfere with the Higher Plan.<p> I not only predict that the Hybrid is The One D'Anna Apologized To, but that when the time is right, it will be a Hybrid that releases all of the Threes from their Box.<p>So Say Me All

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 2:18 p.m. CST

    Someone mentioned Amanda Plummer's Oracle

    by chrth

    I was just thinking about this.<p> IIRC, the Oracle told D'Anna (paraphrased), 'you'll find what you want, but then you'll lose everything.' I think we all took it to mean (or at least I did) that D'Anna would find Hera, but then the Cylons would lose New Caprica...mostly because that happened shortly afterwards. However, it's obvious that the Oracle was referring to the Eye of Jupiter and the Final Five. Really nice foreshadowing there.<p>

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 2:18 p.m. CST

    You make a good argument, Chromedome...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...I have to admit that I was thinking about who among the human cast D'Anna would have the most to apologize for. And although it wouldn't have to be a wrong done on a personal level, the person D'Anna would have the most to apologize for on a personal level doesn't make sense at all. Because I think it would be Helo, manipulated, discounted and from D'Anna's perspective back on Caprica, ready for slaughter. And there are so many negatives against him being a Cylon I won't even bother listing them. And just to say, what the hell is wrong with this country? Epic Movie opens to 19 million and wins the weekend? Crikey.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 2:22 p.m. CST

    As for the Hybrid Theory

    by chrth

    No support from my end. The Hybrids just are, and I prefer them that way.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 2:24 p.m. CST


    by chromedome

    Well DONE, sir! Yet another devious and appropriate possibility!<p>Starbuck as all THREE. A 'trinity' !!<p>Slick!<p>Could it be that she does this in EXACTLY that order: Starbuck "Dies", to be Downloaded into the Final Five's Domain, thus learning the hardest way possible that she is a Cylon, and then discovers that she, along with the Final Five are ON Earth!<p>Dammit, man, you and I should write this show!! Well, I guess the current writers are doing a pretty good job, so let's let em run with it a while longer, okay?<p>cheers

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 2:25 p.m. CST

    DarthSidious, where is that

    by snowpuff

    Singer/De Santo BSG story you are referring to? Link?

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 2:27 p.m. CST

    good catch, chrth

    by chromedome

    on the Oracle foreshadowing. <p>I will (sadly) go forward without your support of my Hybrid Theory, but at least I have a Hairy Nutsack! :-)

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 2:30 p.m. CST

    I'm beginning to doubt Starbuck's cylonity.

    by chrth

    It's like when we all thought the Vice President was the Big Bad last season ... but when Jack started thinking it, support fell apart. Ditto Baltar earlier this season, and now Starbuck.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 2:44 p.m. CST

    Probably Not a Cylon:

    by chromedome

    Roslin--she started off dying of cancer, no hint that any cylons have such issues<p>Helo--fathered a child with a cylon, which is apparently something they cannot do<p>Adama(s)--Father and Son, see reason above... if Bill is a cylon, then Lee is the first of a new generation, not Hera<p>The Doctor: not a significant enough role (at least not yet)<p>Baltar--too obvious, and he wants it too much.<p>Chief/Callie--have a child<p>Tigh-well, just no frakin way, that's why<p>Zarek--no reason why not, except that he just doesn't seem that pivotal or critical<p>I think MNG's Idea that Starbuck fulfills all three criteria (dies, discovers she is a cylon, finds earth) is Perfect, and ending up amongst the Final Five on Earth could explain why she will be AWOL/MIA for the rest of the season.<p>Dee and/or Gaeta seem possible.<p>And with the Starbuck Trinity Theory and the Hybrid Theory, I would claim two of the final five will be known, though I don't expect the Hybrid Theory to be proven this season.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 2:52 p.m. CST

    why would it matter if it was a hybrid?

    by jccalhoun

    I don't think that there is anything more to the hybrids than a plot device. What would it matter if one of them was or wasn't the final 5? The only way that the final 5 matter is if they are one of the humans. Otherwise there is no impact for the main characters. As cool as the cylons are, they aren't the stars of the show. The humans are and their struggle. So to have some character that the humans haven't even seen be a cylon would be incredibly anti-clamactic. <br><br>The DeSanto and Singer version of Battlestar:

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 3:05 p.m. CST

    It won't matter right away...

    by chromedome

    ...and it won't be revealed right away, either.<p>The reason it would matter, eventually, is because it would mean, among other things, that the cylons also had "moles" amongst them, influencing and manipulating them as they did to the humans. It might also mean that the hybrids will play more significant roles, possibly even taking control or at least refusing commands from the cylons.<p>It would be nifty symmetry, too: The Human Fleet was largely destroyed by the cylon's infiltration of all the command and control systems. How cool if the cylons have the same vulnerability via the hybrids?

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 3:07 p.m. CST

    It's Roslin

    by Billyeveryteen

    Fits too well.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 3:09 p.m. CST


    by chromedome

    Starbuck's new dance single, available at Final Five Records

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 3:29 p.m. CST

    **ahem** Point of Order....

    by Hairy Nutsack

    You guys get too many good scoops/theories for me to let this one go. It was I who suggested the 3 in 1 deal in the last TalkBack. I loves ya MNG, but this theory was mine first!! ;)

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 3:40 p.m. CST

    chromedome, re: not a cylon list

    by chrth

    Leoben told Roslin that 'Adama is a Cylon' ... at the time, his character seemed kind of thuggish and it seemed like a spiteful thing to say. Now, however, with all we've learned of him, perhaps the Hybrid told him that, and he was just repeating her/it. I don't think we can discount the Adamas as a result.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 3:47 p.m. CST


    by chrth

    Why not Tigh? It would explain the D'Anna apology, and also explain his character (the reason he's always drinking/depressed/emo is because on some level he senses his Cylonity)

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 3:49 p.m. CST

    Hairy Nutsack

    by chrth

    All theories espoused in Talkback become the property of the group, and individual ownership is not allowed. Welcome to mob rule!

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 3:50 p.m. CST

    Hairy Nutsack addendum

    by chrth

    This ruling also applies to nicknames, especially for Heroes.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 3:55 p.m. CST

    Hairy, chrth

    by chromedome

    Hairy--I don't think MNG claimed credit for the Trinity theory. I erroneously attributed it to him myself, since I had just read his comment. I claim credit for the Hybrid Theory, and since I think it may not even be proven or disproven until next season, I myself may not remember that I thought of it!<p>Chrth--Yea, that one troubles me, too, some. I guess I can only reconcile it by taking it as Leoben frakin with Roslin before getting spaced. <p>There is an Out for all of the "can't be so and so because" things I mentioned above: since the Yet To Be Revealed Cylons are presumably all from the Final Five, they may not be constrained by the same rules as we have seen apply to the 7 skinjob cylons. So, they may be able to have children, either with humans or cylons, for example.<p>I like the Starbuck Trinity theory, but it could be that she only gets a Duality: She "dies" and finds herself on Earth because she is the Chosen One or something similar. She may not need to be a downloadable cylon to survive "death" in this situation. And that would leave room for someone else to discover that they are a cylon. I guess I would guess it is Dualla, in that case.<p>Hybrid as Holy Crap It Was Her In The Temple will not be determined either way until next season, I bet.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 4:03 p.m. CST


    by chromedome

    Tigh is possible, too--I just bein humorous and stuff with the "no frakin way" comment. I don't think it is likely, though, with no particular justification. It just doesn't feel right to me.<p>'course, my stockpicking results usually end up being buy high, sell low. Smart Money always bets the opposite of chromedome! BooooRaaaaah

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 4:05 p.m. CST

    A reason TPTB might choose Tigh

    by chrth

    Because there isn't a groundswell of discussion about the possibility. I'm sure the goal will be to deliver a geekgasm as strong as Bluetooth Bauer -- and that requires something far out of left field, yet not totally beyond the realm of belief. Tigh as Cylon fulfills that requirement.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 4:05 p.m. CST

    MNG recognizes the right, honorable Hairy Nutsack...

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    ...and agrees that the "Starbuck Trinity Theory" is not his (MNG's) to claim as his own.<P>Didn't mean to step on your nutsack, Hairy! Cheers!

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 4:11 p.m. CST

    Finds earth...

    by chromedome

    when they got the arrow into the temple of athena or whoever it was, and got the map to earth in the form of constellations as seen from earth, was it Starbuck herself who had the realization "I think we are standing on it!"?<p>foreshadowing of her larger significance, maybe...

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 4:27 p.m. CST

    LOL Gaius....

    by Hairy Nutsack

    Anyway, I really don't get the Dualla thing either. I just have a hard time believing a relatively minor character will end up having such a significant role, there's just no logic to it other than guys wanting more potential Cylon nakedness on Basestars in the future. (granted, can't really argue with that reasoning, but...)<p> My money is firmly on Roslin. She has had more influence than anyone, even Adama, over what has transpired in the fleet. If not for Racetrack miscalculating a jump and finding New Caprica we would have been to Earth already.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 4:34 p.m. CST

    One thing that I don't like was...

    by mrfan

    having the half human-half cylon child being born. How many times on television and movies has this been done. Then magically the child becomes the one at the last minute to save the good guys either by aging or having a cosmic purpose.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 4:34 p.m. CST


    by NudeandAroused

    What 'Mystique' did BSG have?

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 4:37 p.m. CST

    mrfan: I hope you're not suggesting they're going to

    by chrth

    Wesleyify Hera??! THE HORROR! THE HORROR!

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 4:58 p.m. CST

    You guys are overlooking the obvious...

    by Optimus Murphy

    ...and ultimately more important question left over from last week. Who gives a shit who might or might not be a Cylon? What I really want to know is whether or not Helo gets to experience his wife as a virgin again, since she downloaded into a new body. Seems like a fair trade for all the anguish of having to shoot your wife, especially after she's pumped out a kid and the package ain't as tight as it used to be.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Talkackers gotta eat!!!

    by boba_rob

    Alright, it's dead. In cold storage. Next to Grando, a sexy tomboy beanpole, and a fucked Michael Bay.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 5:04 p.m. CST

    Roslin could work...

    by chromedome

    ..if they could work around the whole cylon with cancer scenario--but since she would be one of the final five, the normal rules may not apply.<p>It is worth noting that there was a cylon in her entourage at the very beginning, so the cylons may have been following "direction" to keep tabs on her without recognizing her significance.<p>Dualla makes sense to me only as a secondary choice, not my first bet. She is quiet, unassuming, but in a key role to know what is going on at all times, finger on the pulse sort of thing. Would make more sense if she were a fully self-aware cylon, not a sleeper.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 5:05 p.m. CST

    Chromey - NoHybrids, NoHubris

    by NoHubris

    Could it turn out to be - as my country cousin would say - we are kin?!

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 5:09 p.m. CST


    by chromedome

    Yea, if am Horribly Wrong about my Hybrid theory, then I may have to slink away, retire the chromedome moniker, and sneak back with a name that is similar to yours. In this way the wise things you put forth here may occasionally be erroneously attributed to me. False, mistaken, misdirected praise is still praise!<p>I remain Chromedome, Purveyor Of Hybrid Theory, for now....

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 5:11 p.m. CST

    was hoping you would pick up on the NoHybrids ping

    by chromedome

    ..and you did! :-)<p>My work here is Done.<p>cheers

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 5:17 p.m. CST

    Chrth, I just don't know what to expect.

    by mrfan

    It just seems that everytime a child is born on a sci-fi show the child is kept out of the way unless it is sweeps month, ratings are in the toilet, or an easy way is needed to end a storyline. I hope that this isn't the case. I still enjoy this show. I wonder what the writers have in mind though.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 5:17 p.m. CST

    If it's Roslin...

    by I Hope You Die

    ...then how did Gaius cure her? I would've thought the Hera-based cure would have pretty much proved she isn't a Cylon.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 5:26 p.m. CST

    Hopefully Steven Seagal is one of the "final five"

    by Darth_Gonz

    He will go on a neck-snapping spree on levels previously never before seen on cable television.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 5:30 p.m. CST

    Not so....

    by Hairy Nutsack

    Hera is a human/Cylon hybrid, we don't know what effect this type of hybrid's blood would have on a skinjob, especially one that probably was given cancer on purpose so she can convince the superstitious Colonials that she was the prophesied dying leader.<p> Totally off topic, I hope everyone here had a chance to watch Frisky Dingo when it was still on Adult Swim. Absolutely insane show that made me laugh hard. If not, then check out at the following link:<p>

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 5:56 p.m. CST

    Hairy Nutsack

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Nice catch on Frisky Dingo. I actually saw a clip from this on YouTube's front page called "Shut up hooker" (?) but I didn't have a clue as to what it was from = now I do. Is it still in its first season?

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 6:01 p.m. CST

    Frisky Dingo....

    by Hairy Nutsack

    It just finished it's first season, only 12 episodes apparentely. I hope it comes back as it is really funny (to me anyway) and also very pretty for an Adult Swim show.<p> Does anyone know what computer program they use to make Adult Swim cartoons? I could see using Flash to do it, but I'm betting there's something better suited to animation out there....goes to Google.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 6:20 p.m. CST

    re: frisky dingo

    by jinamina


  • Jan. 28, 2007, 6:28 p.m. CST


    by Hairy Nutsack


  • Jan. 28, 2007, 6:45 p.m. CST

    I think Chromedome is on to something RE: the Hybrid

    by NoHubris

    As has been said, the base-star Hybrid is too intriguing a character. I’m almost certain she's more than her current function.<P>IMHO there has to be more there. She is definitely an unknown quantity. Also, Cylons have too much “psychological depth” to have no basis for denying a vote/participation to the Hybrid. It’s likely that this Cylon-apartheid serves the dual purpose of keeping the Hybrid’s untapped power contained, while limiting her ability win over others.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 6:53 p.m. CST

    Hairy, here's some info on making Adult Swim toons

    by NoHubris

    They use Photoshop and After Effects. Refer to the following:<P><P>And I did NOT use Google. I've got my own sources.<P>:)

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 6:57 p.m. CST

    Grey's Anatomy in Space

    by HellKing

    You know with all these cross-relationships happening on the show, they're trying to turn BSG into a soap opera to get more viewers. Bad move!

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 7:12 p.m. CST

    can't be adama or tigh

    by jccalhoun

    They both fought during the original Cylon War, when there weren't any skin jobs. So unless there are look-a-like cylons or time travel or something, it can't be either of them.<br><br>We haven't heard any solid info what Roslin was up to back then though, have we? Then it is possible she wasn't really around then. I'm not saying I think she is one, just that unlike Adama or Tigh we don't have any reason to discount her.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 7:40 p.m. CST

    Thanks Huby...

    by Hairy Nutsack

    UGHH, yet another program (After Effects) I need to get my grimy pirate hands on.<p> I'd love to be able to produce quicky little cartoons so I can vent my rage on various elements of Hollywood riff-raff like Murphy and Bay in a fraction of the time it takes to animate in Max.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 8:02 p.m. CST

    If MEtalWaters summary of the Desanto BSG is correct...

    by SG7

    ...then I'm glad it never got made becuase it sounds retarded. RDM FTW.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 8:03 p.m. CST

    Did DeSanto's BSG ignore BSG1980?

    by chrth


  • Jan. 28, 2007, 9 p.m. CST

    Everyone's Gotta Eat!

    by cerebulon

    The President said it... not me.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 9 p.m. CST


    by GregoryHarbin

    Had to say it, even if I wasn't the first.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 9 p.m. CST


    by NoHybrids

    I locked in the handle if I must use it in the future. I hope the Hybrid Theory holds, and the Chromedome handle will live on forever....

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 9:07 p.m. CST

    Here's to the Future of The Hybrid Theory

    by NoHubris

    Cousin - or not?<P>:)

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 9:07 p.m. CST

    I don't know why...

    by DanielKurland

    I enjoy this show, and this has been a good episode, but afterwards, I really don't feel the need to discuss it like I do with Veronica Mars, Lost, Studio 60, even How I Met Your Mother. The only episode I was excited to tal about after was "Downloaded". By no means am I insulting the show, it's just strange that in spite of enjoying it, I just have nothing really to say.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 9:06 p.m. CST

    James Callis got robbed.

    by PVIII

    not even a nod for this guy? IMO, the best actor on tv, and I think some of the actors/ actresses on BSG are a shitty, so I'm not biased here. Also, Olmos is directing the hell out of this episode.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 9:07 p.m. CST

    oh and this love triangle bullshit needs to end.

    by PVIII

    goddamn friends episode.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 9:48 p.m. CST

    Best Episode...

    by Camus Says The Cow

    Since "Collaborators" this season. That look that Roslin was giving Baltar, when he was saying that being a Cylon would have meant all his sins Great great ep. Can't wait for the trial. Good to see my secret boyfriend Gaeta being all manhandly with Baltar, though I'm a little annoyed he went down with just one punch from Adama.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 9:50 p.m. CST

    glad to finally see...

    by jimmy rabbitte

    Apollo grow a pair and make a decision. This whole triangle thing was *beyond* played out. It's actually starting to feel like the show is building toward something again.... and it is... another cliff-hanger season finale that will have us griping until next October.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 9:51 p.m. CST

    and goes down again...

    by jccalhoun

    So for the second week in a row has gone down after telling Battlestar viewers to go to their website. I hope that they the powers that be at scifi take that level of popularity into account when people complain about the ratings.<br><br>decent episode. I too would have liked to have had a definite ending to the stupid love triangle. Less of that and more of the implication that Gaeta isn't the hero we have been led to think he is.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 9:52 p.m. CST

    Also - so one of the final five we know...

    by Camus Says The Cow

    Is a kid? Or a very Lyndie England looking woman? Or was I off. I couldn't tell if it was that he was looking at the Final Five while he was under the drugs or if he was looking at people whose deaths he was responsible, but I did remember he is the Chosen One, supposedly, so he's gonna be the one to see them, eventually... But anyway, a kid. Probably played by some precociously cute Canadian child actor. Not sure how I feel about that.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 9:53 p.m. CST

    ...maybe Gaeta...

    by jimmy rabbitte

    is the cylon that Deeanna saw in the Temple of Jupiter?...

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 9:53 p.m. CST


    by Camus Says The Cow

    Is so obviously a Cylon. But he's still my secret boyfriend. I don't care if he's kind of becoming..."morally complicated" now, but for Gods's sake, who isn't on the show? Gaeta, call me.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 9:55 p.m. CST

    it only

    by jimmy rabbitte

    just occurred to me when I typed it in that Deanna would have known him from New Caprica.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 10:04 p.m. CST

    Oh, and as far as who is leaving the show...

    by Camus Says The Cow

    I'm starting to think, as good as he is and as amazing as his character is to the show, it's gotta be James Callis. If only because they are getting closer and closer to a place where they can't really write him back into a normal place on the show. Before he could be selfish, irresponsible and spineless with a secret, but nobody knew about it and it didn't seem to widely threaten everyone's safety (for the most part). But Baltar has sort of passed the point of no return, in the sense that he's not just a spineless guy, he's an enemy of the people, and they'll cry out for his blood. It seems like the natural course of this would be for him to end the show, most likely and thankfully, though, after a spectacular ending arc.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 10:09 p.m. CST

    Does anyone else notice...

    by fanboy71

    That the very loud background music drowns out some (alot) of the dialog? I have to turn on the subtitles. Would it kill them to turn the volume down? I guess even score musicians gotta eat.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 10:07 p.m. CST

    The "Bonus Scene"? was that real?

    by jocutus

    Was that "bonus scene" with Six & Ros part of this episode? Or is it a preview for next time? And which Six was that? If it was edited out did it really happen?

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 10:19 p.m. CST

    ...could be...

    by jimmy rabbitte

    right about Baltar/ James Callis. They really have painted themselves into a corner with his character. An extrication would not be impossible, but it could take a prolonged absence from the proceedings to swing it. Anyway we'll soon see, they seem to setting Starbuck up for something similar to her theft of the raider and return trip to Caprica for the Arrow of Apollo.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 10:28 p.m. CST

    jocutus et al.

    by Mr. Nice Gaius

    Yes, having just watched the bonus scene, I believe that was part of the episode. In my opinion, it should have remained = I think we all could have used a little less cutting to the Lee/Dee/Kara/Anders trist and more focus on Baltar and the captured Caprica Six. That would be my only real complaint tonight.<P>And I hope they feel they have brought Starbuck & Apollo's arc to a point where it's clear that it's time to move on. I'm now finding the heartbroken looks across rooms monotonous.<P>Highlight: watching Roslin and Baltar go at it in the first half was fantastic.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 10:50 p.m. CST

    What happened to the dialog?

    by Nodwick

    Was it me, or did this ep have some of the weakest dialog so far? The "dramatic" exchange between Lee and Kara was some of the most stilted, cliche, and profession-metaphor laden show-stopper I've heard.</p> "How do I know you're not going to 180 on me? This isn't a dogfight we can jink out of."</p> Blearrgh.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 10:54 p.m. CST

    On Baltar/Callis

    by bobbyjoe

    I can see why you might think so, but I bet James Callis/Baltar won't be leaving the show anytime soon. Even since the beginning Baltar has been getting out of impossible-seeming situations, and that's part of the fun. And the whole mystery of the Baltar-Six connection is a really big part of the center of the show. I suspect following (or during) his trial, Baltar's gonna have something that makes him indespensable and puts him back in a very-uneasy alliance with Adama and Roslin, but where they can't afford to get rid of him. His greater knowledge about the way to Earth may be one thing.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 10:53 p.m. CST


    by clockpolitiks

    I was glad that Baltar finally admitted to caprica six using him to get into the military computers and stuff. I just thought that Adama and Roslin's reactions weren't as strong as I thought they would be. It was a good episode though.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 11:15 p.m. CST

    ...that could...

    by jimmy rabbitte

    very well be... at any rate I'm thinking it will definitely be a core character that goes off. If they weasel out make it Anders or Dee or Tyrol then they'll be guilty of *way* over-hyping this story angle... not that I'm looking forward to seeing someone like Starbuck get killed or end up a Cylon...

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 11:16 p.m. CST

    NODWICK & "Cliche" Dialogue

    by DS9Sisko

    Nodwick wrote: "Was it me, or did this ep have some of the weakest dialog so far? The "dramatic" exchange between Lee and Kara was some of the most stilted, cliche, and profession-metaphor laden show-stopper I've heard. "How do I know you're not going to 180 on me? This isn't a dogfight we can jink out of." Blearrgh." Yes, I see your point. I've heard that dialogue on NCIS, Rome, Studio 60 and 30 Rock just last week. That particular cliche is really getting around.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 11:22 p.m. CST

    don't forget...

    by jimmy rabbitte

    back in the late 80's and early 90's when shows like Designing Women and Murphy Brown were pulling that out every other episode.

  • Jan. 28, 2007, 11:38 p.m. CST

    What's with Chief and Callie? He's a born-again douche?

    by Billyeveryteen

    Gauis' trial should be fun.

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 12:04 a.m. CST

    God <em> DAMN </em> what a good episode.

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    That kicked ass on several levels. <ol> <li> Great acting by Baltar.</li> <li>imaginative torture</li> <li>great extra scene on the Sci-Fi website</li> Speaking of the site, anybody know where the Tricia Helfer Playboy pics can be found? Anyhoo, if they kill off Baltar I may stop watching the show. He's <strong>absolutely</strong> the best actor and has the best character.

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 12:06 a.m. CST

    FUCK, the HTML code didn't work for my post!

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    How do you have paragraphs?? </br> Does this work?

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 12:23 a.m. CST


    by Hairy Nutsack

    Goddam, that whole sequence with them feigning to drag Baltar's ass to the airlock was so fucking good. I love seeing Roslin go hardcore like that. Callis, brilliant as always.<p> I've been fighting it, but it sure as shit seemed like they were telling us Gaeta is a Cylon tonight. And Eddie knocking Gaeta's ass out was SUH-WEET!

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 12:24 a.m. CST

    As far as who is leaving the show...

    by Tenebre

    *Spoiler Alert* The actress who plays Starbuck is not listed in the credits of the last several episodes. Nuff said.

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 12:34 a.m. CST

    ...that kind of figures...

    by jimmy rabbitte

    they haven't given her much to do lately but make weepy eyes at Apollo... that is when she's not shaggin' with Anders.

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 12:39 a.m. CST

    Katee Sackhoff is not leaving the show

    by GregoryHarbin

    No matter what the producers are trying to make us think, she's not leaving the show. Does she have a huge, show-changing arc coming up? Yes. But her character isn't going anywhere perminately.

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 12:43 a.m. CST

    Awesome Episode

    by Bob of the Shire

    Such a relief after the string of weak episodes. Last week's episode was probably the worst of the season so far. Cringe-inducing dialogue, weak special effects, awful editing. Bleh, Rapture actually made me worried that the show might be faltering off, but this weeks episodes restored my faith. Great, great stuff.

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 1:20 a.m. CST

    Very good final five theories on SciFi boards...

    by snowpuff

    The previews of tonight's episode seem to slap you in the face with who the final five are. It's everyone in the room with Baltar right before he gets cold cocked with the gun. That includes Tyrol, Cally, Anders and two others with them. That's a theory on the SciFi board and it holds up very well.

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 2:02 a.m. CST

    Re: iamnicksaicnsn and paragraphs...

    by Nodwick

    To make a paragraph, end your graph with a < followed by a p followed by a >.</p> But remember: paragraphs aren't something you can jink your way out of.

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 2:02 a.m. CST

    Oh. Crap

    by Nodwick

    Throw a / before the p.</p> Forgot that part.

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 3:29 a.m. CST

    It couldn't be Tyrol or Cally because they had a child

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    and as I understand it, the Cylons can't have children of their own.

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 3:32 a.m. CST

    I just got a call from Guillermo Del Toro...

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    He said we can't jink our way out of the fact that Baltar gotta eat with a tube through his nose and down his throat! <p> so does it work like this? </p>

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 3:33 a.m. CST

    NICE! Thanks Nodwick!

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    Finally, jeez. Too bad none of the other html codes seemingly work.

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 5:30 a.m. CST

    No Sharon, No Cally for a whole episode ?

    by Itchy

    My penis did not enjoy that episode. However, there was plenty of long, lingering shots of Dee ... so that was nice. As far as who is a Cylon and who is not, it really doesn't matter because that whole scene with D'Anna and the Five was a PHOTOSHOP PLANT ! (old, old, old, old school)

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 5:46 a.m. CST

    For all his sins, he's one of us.

    by TotoroSan

    That line really struck me. On the surface, Roslin was saying that he is human, so we can't just toss him out an airlock. But the line seemed to be foreshadowing something deeper. It was almost like she was suggesting that she, Adama, and Baltar were part of some secret club.

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 5:54 a.m. CST


    by punto

    no, seriously, I'm sick of the Sam-Kara-Dee-Lee thing. who cares?

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 5:57 a.m. CST


    by zabu 123

    You can't have a Battlestar Galactica show without a Starbuck. She's not leaving. If she did the show would be finished.

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 7:44 a.m. CST

    Sure.. the gay guys

    by Diagnostic

    name is gaeta.<br> What's next scheduling to work on christmas? How about only caprica six or athena to work on colonial day? <br><i>sheesh!</i>

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 7:47 a.m. CST


    by Schih Thayde

    that's ordnance, you giant douche.

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 8:05 a.m. CST

    Gaeta = Cylon... too easy?

    by turketron

    So, with the stuff with Gaeta last night it's almost like they're trying too hard to make it seem like he might be a cylon. I'm thinking it is Starbuck... either that or her father is one of the final five, and she is the real first human/cylon offspring. I'm probably super wrong though.

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 8:31 a.m. CST

    Baltar got lots of possibilties

    by jccalhoun

    They have lots of places for Baltar's character to go. Right now he seems fully converted to the notion of a monotheistic God. So he could go on a whole redemptive arc where he tries to reform and even embraces the Lords of Cobol. Similar to the feelings of guilt that Gaeta has we could have Baltar actually feeling guilty.

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 9:19 a.m. CST


    by jedimindflayer

    the scary thing is that there are so many good theories right now; baltar hasn't been totally eliminated as a possibility, nutsacks starbuck theory is solid, the gaeta theory is a nice dark-horse candidate, and the hybrid theory presented by the honorable chromedome has a great deal of merit as well. if I were a betting man (well, ok, i am, but still), i would put my credits on the hybrid theory- it seems to me that, given how they introduced the hybrid, that she could be one of the final five without any of the other seven being the wiser. also, it occurs to me that the lack of a substantial backstory could leave this plotline going ad infinitum.

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 9:45 a.m. CST

    Eat At Cheers, um, I mean, Joes

    by Kentucky Colonel

    Very clever to introduce the bar in an episode titled "Taking a Break From All Your Worries". Let me elaborate..."Making your way in the world today takes everything you've got. Taking a break from all your worries sure would help a lot. Wouldn't you like to get away? Sometimes you want to go where everybody knows your name, And they're always glad you came. You want to be where you can see our troubles are all the same. You want to be where everybody knows your name." Hmmmm....sound familiar? I nearly pissed myself when Gaius popped up with Brother Cavil holding his hand. I said "No Way! That's too easy!" but it sure would have been cool. And I really love the continuing (slight) parallels to prison torture. You know the Army did have a program in the late 50's-early 60's to try to weaponize LSD and when that failed they tried to use it as an interrogation method, which also failed. Then the gov't was nice enough to make LSD a Schedule 1 and start shipping acid heads to the joint (ba-da-bing!). There's a really great retelling of that story in a book titled "Acid Dreams". The CIA, FBI, all the usual suspects are represented as players. I think the move to Sunday at 10 will provide a nice ratings boost in the long run. Many folks have a life and aren't home at 9 on a friday. Hell, even I'm home at 10 on a Sunday. Fuck the ratings anyway. Also, I must agree with the above poster who stated "Watch the first three episodes of "The Wire" and you're hooked". I did, I am, and I've got the final disc of Season 1 to watch tonight thanks to Netflix. "We've got to run this like a business...that's what Stringer Bell says" -PK. Any fan of the Wire should check out any book by George P. Pelecanos. How he was not involved with the show from Day One is beyond me...I can't wait to see his episodes! Also, the above line is from "Stringer Bell Says", a track from Paul K.'s new 3-disc LP "Panopticon". I have it on good authority that the production team behind the Wire are now also Paul K. fans. Callie ain't no Cylon, but it looks like she's dropped about 15 lbs. Hubba-Hubba! My vote for Cylon-in-hiding goes to Dee. Those green eyes of hers just creep me out! Dollars to dougnuts says Kara is the Cylon god, or chosen one, or whatever. Baltar has been painted into a corner, and I can't wait to see how Ron, David & Co. re-integrate him into the fleet (or will he end up on an asteroid ala either the Twilight Zone episode "The Lonley" or the Galactica 1980 Starbuck & the Cylon "Enemy Mine" episode. And lastly...I wish the Colonials would switch back to the green liquor they were slugging back in season reminded me of Aldeberran Whiskey, which we all know from Scotty & Data..."It's Green!". Thanks to all the BSG cast, crew and're the best!

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 9:50 a.m. CST

    Gaeta is a pink herring

    by redfang

    We're supposed to think Baltar whispered to him "You're a Cylon," but I'll bet you a Tricia Helfer Playboy (for those who asked: , beware of popups) that what he really said was some variation on "You're in love with me." No joke; remember how besotted Gaeta seemed by Baltar in Season 1?

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 9:54 a.m. CST

    Hybrid theory

    by fireclown

    Interesting. What exactly are they hybrids OF? Are they baseship/skinjob hybrids? I love the idea of sentient ships rising up and taking over the cylon world.

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 9:54 a.m. CST


    by ejcarter9

    More Bush-bashing? Christ. Go masturbate to a Masters of Horror thread, why don'tcha? That show is tailor-made for you idiots.

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 9:58 a.m. CST

    It's true, Gaeta want to give Gaius a "Dirty Sanchez"

    by Kentucky Colonel

    Even his name, Gaeta, sounds gay. And I'll admit myself that Gaius (sounds kinda gay too, dontcha think?) Baltar is a pretty handsome dude, that is, when he dosen't have that hippie-dippy Chris Robinson/deadhead beard. Smart move in not airing the next episode on StupidBowl Sunday (ps- GO COLTS!). I think Gaius whispered to Gaeta "I'll fuck you so hard you'll fall in love with me!" No, wait, that was Mike Tyson to a reporter. Seriously. OK, nuff of this crap...I'm going to watch "The Slaves of Jedekiah" episodes of "The Tomorrow People", thanks to the folks at A&E Home Video. Jaunt me in, Tim!

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 10:01 a.m. CST


    by Kentucky Colonel

    My Hybrid gets about 44-49 MPG. And it's a Civic, which although it's no Vette', it's a hell of a lot cooler than a Prius. Isn't the definition of a Prius a 4+ hour erection? Ugh!

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 10:10 a.m. CST

    Final Five?

    by Abin Sur

    As much as I would love to see a naked Starbuck resurrect in a big vat of jello (minus that STUPID arm tattoo), the only character that makes sense to be the Cylon we're all talking about is the Hybrid. It's inconsistent for any of the other characters - remember how Athena was able to identify how Boomer was Boomer, and when D'anna was able to identify Athena when she was stealing the launch keys? Makes me think that the Cylons are attuned enough to each other to be able to tell who IS and IS NOT a cylon. And since Athena has been around every main character on Galactica it would be a stretch that she never knew that one of them was a Cylon. Of course, that theory goes out the window if the Final Five are somehow different in construction from the other seven...

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 10:13 a.m. CST

    again, gotta agree about the love triangle

    by oisin5199

    I think a little goes a long way. I loved the boxing episode, but now it's getting to be a bit too much. I would have much rather seen dramatic scenes with Cap 6 cutting back and forth with the Baltar scenes. I just didn't get the quick cutting between Apollo and Baltar towards the end. I just didn't see the parallels there. And I totally thought the way would be cleared for Apollo and Starbuck to get together just in time for whatever happens to her to ruin it (a la Whedon). But they didn't - they just went back to the same status quo with the two other couples together staring at each other from across the way. Seems like a wasted opportunity if you ask me.

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 10:14 a.m. CST

    thanks for the Playboy link

    by oisin5199

    Tricia Helfer is a frakkin' goddess. I'm surprised she managed to hide her ass in most of those shots, though.

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 10:20 a.m. CST

    She hands him his glasses, and lights a cigar...

    by Billyeveryteen

    Roslin is HOT! Great PILF.

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 10:29 a.m. CST

    The writers really seem to hate Dee...

    by I Hope You Die

    First they had her fall for Apollo, a pathetic act in itself, now she's rambling on about how she knew she could only have him for how ever long he wanted to stay around. If Apollo had a single redeeming feature it might make sense, but he's easily the least likable character on the show, and as far as I can tell he's been written that way.

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 10:30 a.m. CST

    Can the Final Five Resurrect?

    by thatdudewalter

    The Known Seven have a resurrection ship with plenty of spare, lifeless bodies ready to download the consciousness of the next Cylon of their model that gets killed. Do the Final Five have a similar ship? Obviously, we can assume there are no Final Five bodies laying around the Resurrection Ship, since the Known Seven do not know what the Final Five look like (although in the podcast for "Rapture" RDM hinted that Brother Cavil knows and is protecting a secret). Could it be that the Final Five exist solely in the state of existence between death and resurrection (that is the only place where they have been seen)?

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 10:37 a.m. CST

    wow, best ep of the season

    by SantiagoAtez

    I finally got to see it and I'm glad BSG is back on track. I just hope it's not too little, too late.

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 10:38 a.m. CST

    The Final Five Resurrection Ship...

    by redfang called "Earth." Or at least, that would tie in with the Starbuck-trinity theory.

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Where da Cylon at?

    by _Maltheus_

    <p>I still say that Dualla is a Cylon. I can't shake that scene where she talked the old man into reconciling with Roslin. Adama had dismissed her and she was timid, but she kept on pushing him, getting him back on track to finding Earth. It just seemed so forced at the time. There have been other moments as well. Plus it would redeem this whole love triangle plot if done right. Granted, I'm sure D'Anna wasn't apologizing to Dualla, but there were five Cylons there.</p> <p>Part of me thinks that D'Anna's reaction was to seeing a Cavil as one of the five. Yeah, his line is obviously not boxed. However she was disobeying him at the time, Baltar had just shot one for her, and he was the only one there when she was resurrected, possibly so that she wouldn't spill the beans to everyone else bout him. What if he were once boxed, yet found a way to unbox new copies of himself? The other cylons don't seem to know who the boxed models are in any case. A bit of a stretch perhaps, but I can't figure out who else she might have been apologizing to.</p> <p>Why did they go through all the trouble to drug Baltar just to ask him about his complicity in the destruction of Caprica? He's just spent several months aboard a Cylon Basestar, can't they think of anything more relevant to interrogate him over? I mean seriously, the past is the past at this point, all that matters is survival. Roslin always mentions the blond Baltar was with, is she not even aware that she's the same blond Cylon model that she must have seen many times on New Caprica? Why not say she saw him with a six? Why not set them up in cells next to each other and monitor their conversations?</p> <p>Also, they need to get over their whole holier than thou attitude with Baltar. He was fooled by a Cylon??? So was everyone else in the fleet at one time or another, and unlike many of the others, sex was clouding his judgment at the time. He signed a death warrant??? It was a rubber stamp that saved his life. If he hadn't signed, they still would have went through with the executions anyway. Given that fact, giving that resisting wouldn't have made any difference anyway, I'd say that most humans would have made the same choice in his shoes. His only real and unforgivable crime was in giving Pegasus Six a nuclear bomb. But no one knows of that (yet).</p>

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 12:08 p.m. CST

    Jesus was an alien

    by Sophism

    I really hope Baltars resemblance to our lord and saviour is a coincidence. If he shows up in two weeks with a crown of thorns I'll suicide bomb the studio. And is it just me or is Rosalyn getting less and less reasonable every episode. I know she's been though some shit, but I think they'll have a hard time redeeming her so that I don't hate her any more. What is she supposed to be some kind of holy prophet who's into a bit of torture?

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Ronald D. Moore is a Cylon

    by Darth Kosher

    The answer is: Tigh. But if I were him, I would be very unhappy with that little apology. She had is eye ripped out!

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 12:15 p.m. CST

    Jesus WAS an alien

    by Kentucky Colonel

    That proposition was put forth to me by the late "Uncle" Ron Clay after a night of seeing Sam Kinison in concert and some heavy partying. Think about it...clouds always seemed to follow him wherever he went, the "heavenly choir of angels" (think Close Encounters theme), lights shining down from heaven, Healing, Miracles, Ezekiel's wheel, etc. Yeah, I was really high at the time, but it made sense. Miss ya, Uncle Ron! But I'll never forget the doob we shared in the WQMF Weasel van as we sat in the parking lot before the 1991 Stones concert. got that right!

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 12:38 p.m. CST

    So the ratings down down even more?

    by SpyGuy

    Last week's was only a 1.4? That's not good for a show this pricey. Time for Roslin to airlock a few cast members (I'm looking at you, Apollo and Starbuck) and trim the budget a little.

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 12:40 p.m. CST


    by skydemon

    Tired of the Love Triangle crap too. "Like sands through the hour glass, so are the days on Galactica"

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 12:39 p.m. CST

    "down down"?

    by SpyGuy

    Dammit, that's what I get for staying up until 11 to watch BSG and having to get up at 5:45 this morning. Damn youse, Skiffy!

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 12:54 p.m. CST

    I'm glad that the love triangle is resolved... for now.

    by iamnicksaicnsn

    And I'm also glad that it appears that Tricia Helfer trims.

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 1:16 p.m. CST

    Wow! Kentucky Colonel!

    by covenant

    A Ron Clay reference! Gad, I miss him. I have some old audiotapes of the Asylum that I'm transferring (little by little) to CD. Uncle Ron's Organ? Check. Mel from B.A.L.L.S.? Check. Frosty the Clown? Check. Red the Hunter ("It gets lonely in them woods")? Check. Troy's tribute to Ron after his death? Check. My old Weaselbrau shirt? Check. Ah well. At least Terry Mieners is still around. Dude...what part of KY are you in/from?

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 1:31 p.m. CST


    by lynxpro

    He'd [allegedly] bring a moutain sized pile of coke to the table, along with the Wonder Twins screenwriter chums of his. There'd also be some added tension added between Baltar and Gaeta too, me suspects. Apollo would be even more metro than present, and Ian McKellan would be the Imperius Leader and look fabulous perched atop his throne. And by McKellan's command, Jimmy Fallon would play his assistant Lucifer.

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 1:33 p.m. CST

    Cally being a Cylon makes no sense.

    by lynxpro

    If Cally was a Cylon, then the Cylons would want her hybrid baby. If you want to interpret the "I'm sorry" bit on the part of CyberXena, then you might as well forecast that Col. Tigh is a Cylon since presumably his torture was probably at the behest of CyberXena.

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 1:47 p.m. CST

    Uncle Ron's Asylum 4-ever

    by Kentucky Colonel

    Hey Covenant! I'm a Loserville born & bred, now transplanted to Washington DC. I interned at WQMF 1990-1991 right before Ron passed away. Like you I suspect, I grew up listening to Ron & Terry, then Ron & Troy & Barry. Yep, I have my Weasel World shirt, Weaselbrau hooded sweatchirt, all that old shit. My wife is quilting many of my old concert shirts for me and on her first quilt she put the gray "Uncle Ron's Asylum" shirt on it. Tres cool. It was awesome to get to know Ron before he passed away. He was the whole reason I majored in communication in college, much like Howard Stern, because all I ever wanted to do was be a DeeJay. Then, in 1995, the year I graduated, the Federal Telecommunications Act passed and radio went to Hell (I love my Sirius). John Otting sold out to Clear Channel and I went on to do other communication-related work, like bartending at Butchertown Pub and managing the Box Office at the Louisville Palace, running a camera and satellites for Churchill Downs, etc. PS- KY Derby winner Barbaro passed away this morning. What a bitch. But, COOL AS HELL that someone out there, particularly here, remembers Uncle Ron. The only tape I have with him on it is the show Troy put on the Monday following his death. Batguy & Rob? Check! Fagnet? Check! The Weather Fairy? Check! Beaver Bits? Check! Listen, I'd do backflips to get access to any of Ron's material you might want to share. If you are inclined to do so, reply back here and I'll give you my seldom used Yahoo! account e-mail and we can communicate in a less public forum. And where, might I ask, is your ass in relation to the Bluegrass???

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Moore mentioned Baltar as Jesus

    by jccalhoun

    In one of the commentaries Moore mentioned that they jokingly brought up the possibility of getting to earth during the Roman time and Baltar ending up bringing monotheism to earth as Jesus. Fortunately, a story like that has been done by Moorecock. <br><br>If there is an actual storyline involving the hybrid I'll eat my hat. I strongly think all the theories about the signifigance of the hybrid are way off the mark. I don't think the hybrid will have any role in the future. After all, the only people who listened to her are either boxed or off the basestars. <br><br>only time will tell, I guess...

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 1:50 p.m. CST

    Sorry makes no sense to Tigh

    by _Maltheus_

    <p>If she did see Tigh, then saying "I'm sorry" makes no sense since the eyeless, tortured copied is still alive and hasn't uploaded yet. Plus she wasn't personally responsible for that so why would she apologize on behalf of cylons to a cylon? By that logic, he should be apologizing to himself.</p> <p>I doubt that Tigh is a Cylon since he keeps on screwing up. Friendship aside, screwing up that much would result in him losing his position (which he did and only got it back on a whim). He's a very bad mole if he is one.</p>

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 1:54 p.m. CST

    Colonel's got to PEE

    by Kentucky Colonel

    There, I said it. Now, I have to do it!

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 2:03 p.m. CST

    Baltar and Gaeta

    by _Maltheus_

    <p>I have no idea what Baltar might have said to Gaeta, but I think it's safe to say that he didn't call him out on being a Cylon. Up until the end, Baltar seemed intent on discovering who the final five are. If he knew Gaeta was one, he would have said the final four. If Gaeta is boxed, then who would Baltar have found out from.</p> <p>I don't exactly recall how Tigh lost his eye (despite previously mentioning that D'Anna didn't do it, was bad assumption). But I'm gonna guess that Gaeta had something to do with it. That might explain his reaction to Baltar's whispering. Hell, maybe Ellen slept with him in exchange for another favor. Either way, he knows to fear Tigh so I think that's where that came from. Just a guess.</p>

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 2:14 p.m. CST

    Baltar aided the insurrection...

    by lynxpro

    I like how he threw-down that info nugget on the table. Like others have said, Baltar is only truly guilty for letting loose of that nuke. Then again, the "heroic" characters are actually guilty of starting the war (Adama), trying to rig an election (Roslin), etc. Baltar is the man. It would be really cool to see him flanked with a squad of classic Cylons though. Have him exiled, but then he comes across the old school Cylons and starts a civil war by declaring himself the Chosen One and the one who sits at the right hand of the Cylon God. Baltar then emerges as the leader of all the Cylons and then pursues the Galactica and the fleet in order to rule over them as well. That would be the way to bring in some of the classic elements of Count Baltar's meglomania from the original series while still remaining consistent with this version's superior characterization. And is it just me, or is the Roslin/Baltar dynamic similar to the earlier DS9 dynamic between Sisko and Dukat?

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Caprica Six's Box!

    by Zardoz

    Tricia Helfer's absolutely beautiful in all her naked glory, but how come we don't get to see her shaved box? (I'm speculating that she's shaved based on some of the pics....droool!)And some more of her gorgeous ass? Re-do!

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 2:50 p.m. CST

    Amnesty for Baltar?

    by Zardoz

    EW's writer has a valid point: Roslin gave everyone on New Caprica who collaborated with the Cylons amnesty; shouldn't that also apply to Baltar? (I think so) And I almost choked on my popcprn when Roslin said: "Everyone's gotta eat." Coincidence? Or are BSG writers just frakkin' with the geeks?

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 4:46 p.m. CST

    Baltar will get a reprieve when the Cylon is revealed

    by performingmonkey

    I think Baltar will be the one to uncover the Colonial final five Cylon. It's gonna be Dee, Gaeta, Starbuck or Anders. The best guess is Dee, although Gaeta would fulfil the latino quotent for the Cylons, wouldn't he. He IS latino isn't he, I'm not just being crazy?

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 4:49 p.m. CST

    gettin' my geek on

    by oisin5199

    I don't see a parallel with Ducat/Sisko. They were both military commanders who (originally) were trying to do right by their people, until Ducat got all obsessed at the end. Maybe Louise Fletcher's character should be thrown in there as analogous to Roslin. But that doesn't really work either. Crap, it's been years since I've seen DS9, so what do I know?

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 4:51 p.m. CST

    don't know if anyone's mentioned this

    by oisin5199

    but what about Amanda Plummer's character as a Final Five? As far as we know, D'Anna was the only one who saw and talked to her, she directed D'Anna to Hera, and the apology may not be for a transgression, but 'sorry for not paying homage to you because I didn't know.'

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 5:20 p.m. CST


    by NudeandAroused

    Baltar is the leader. If there is one person, in any war, who takes the hit for collaberation, it is the leader of the collaboraters. Thus, Baltar will be convicted for it.

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 6:52 p.m. CST

    Did BSG give a shout out to AICN??

    by Pennsy

    "Everyone gotta eat." *ponders*. <p> Great nickname for the Lee/Kara/Anders/Dee clusterbleep from TV Without Pity - "The Quadrangle of Doom"

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 7:12 p.m. CST

    Haha, "Everyone gotta eat." FTW

    by J-Dizzle


  • Jan. 29, 2007, 7:34 p.m. CST

    Just finished watching

    by chrth

    I know what Baltar said to Gaeta: the exact same thing Jack Bauer said to Nina.

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 7:59 p.m. CST


    by jimmy rabbitte

    Season 2 of Deadwood, in episode 4 Requiem For A Gleet, there is an utterance of every AICN TB'ers new favorite word: Taint. I'm not sure of the original air-date for the episode because HBO's site doesn't include one. However, since the DVD set was released on May 23, 2006, it probably aired sometime in 2005. Unfortunately that predates our AICN Taint-Fest '07 by about two years. A two-year-old mention of taint... how'd we miss that?<p> reposted from 1408 trailer TB

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 8:04 p.m. CST

    Hey Kentucky Colonel

    by covenant

    I'm Bardstown born-and-bred, transplanted to St. Louis. I grew up listening to LRS-102 (remember them?), DJX, and of course, QMF. I'd love to share some of my Uncle Ron stuff, but I'm not sure how good most of it is. My tapes are old and worn, and so far I've only been able to salvage a small amount of material. But yeah, I'd be willing to share what I have, along with some Meiners material from the late 80s (including Joe B. Hall's "UK House of Horrors"). How much I'll be able to salvage, I don't know, though the skit where Red gets his balls caught in a bear trap is still intact. (And still hilarious). Butchertown Pub, eh? Been there a few times. It would be great to communicate with someone from the "homeland," so post your email address and I'll get in touch. P.S. My father is a real Kentucky Colonel...and never shuts up about it! (Oh yeah--thanks to AICN for letting us go off-topic here).

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 8:16 p.m. CST

    Stupid Love Triangle seems Unresolved to me...

    by chromedome

    ...and it is taking up WAY too much air-time. They left as they began it this week--sneaking glances at each other while with their spouses.<p>Dee and Anders should just dump em.

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 8:19 p.m. CST

    Did like the Baltar interrogation...

    by chromedome

    ...nicely done.<p>"All my sins forgiven...." was a Perfect Line for Baltar, capturing so much in four words--recognition of his betrayal, anguish over it, and wanting forgiveness.

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 8:17 p.m. CST

    Here's where I can be reached

    by Kentucky Colonel

    Drop me a line at It's the address I use for promotions, surveys...all that crap. When I get your e-mail I'll give you my everyday address. Just so I know it's you, tell me what the LRS-102 mascot was (the one that used to ride around on the Pepsi Pumper truck...boy, are we old school or what?). For the record, I am a "real" Kentucky Colonel, too. For kicks a few years ago I had Harry and his father ordained as Colonels, too. Did I even get a "thank you"....fuck no, fat bastard! BTW- YOU'RE WELCOME!!! Looking forward to conversing with cha! I had plenty of fun in Bardstown myself...ahhh, to be young, buzzed and behind the wheel of a large automobile......

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 8:23 p.m. CST

    "same thing Jack said to Nina"

    by chromedome

    I LIKE that, chrth!<p>Much more likely than "what Bill Murray said to Scarlett Johansson"<p>mmmmmm.... Scarlett....<p>...whoa, I was somewhere else there for a while, but I am back now...

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 8:23 p.m. CST

    uh...can anyone say contract?

    by jimmy rabbitte

    Yeah, Mary McDonnell may be making some of the biggest money in the cast; but they can't just dump her from the show prior to her contracted number of appearances, without still owing her the cash. It's not likely that a network would let a name actor walk with their cash without sweating for it. So unless her contract is about to expire I doubt she'll be going anywhere.

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 8:31 p.m. CST

    jedimindslayer, abinsur, fireclown

    by chromedome

    thanks for the nods on The Hybrid Theory.<p>One subtle point about my version of the theory is that the Hybrid can be one of the final five, and not fulfill the advertised "one will learn they are a cylon" requirement. So it leaves the door open for, say, Gaeta or Starbuck, etc, to be the character who discovers that they are a cylon. In other words, The One That D'Anna Apologized To (I say Hybrid) does NOT need to be the same One Who Learns They Are A Cylon.<p>In fact, my Hybrid Theory would not make sense if the hybrids were to "learn" their status.<p>So, the neat part of this is that Hairy Nutsack's Starbuck Trinity Theory and my Hybrid Theory can both be true.<p>The only one we are assured (via the commercials) to learn this season is Who Learns They Are A Cylon. The Hybrid Theory, even if true, could be revealed much much later....

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 8:34 p.m. CST

    Cally as Cylon...

    by chromedome

    I have gone on record here as saying the same thing--Not Possible, because she has a baby, and the cylons would want it.<p>I realize the flaw in my logic is that the Cylons themselves do not know who the final five are, so would not realize that Cally is cylon, her baby significant.<p>Because the Cylons do not know who the final five are, it must follow that they cannot automatically recognize them as such, and so there is something (very?) different about them.<p>They may not be limited to any of the contraints we know (or think we know) apply to to currently recognized Cylon skinjobs.<p>Causes one to wonder about the curious and as yet unexplained nature of InHead Six..... hmmmmmm

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 8:38 p.m. CST


    by covenant

    What part of St. Louis do you hail from? Oh, and for TB purposes: The confrontation between Roslin and Baltar was fantastic--James gave as good as he got. Why this guy never gets any Emmy appreciation (hell, the show in general) is beyond me.

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 8:48 p.m. CST

    At least Helo

    by muthafuddpukker

    didn't commit treason this week, and get away with it AGAIN! Goddammit, I hate that fuckin' fucker.

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 8:48 p.m. CST

    Next Cylon

    by jt99jt

    OK.. I gotta give my two cents on our surprise upcoming Cylon.. No doubts for me that it is Samuel T. Anders.. And here is why.. He was allowed to live in Season two when he was bombing the cafeteria. The one cylon who wanted to kill him was Deanna and she was apologizing to whomever she saw in the robes? Who does she have to apologize to? Also, the guy was running around while his crew was cut in half twice by Cylons? Why did he live (besides the fact that he has the scriptwriters on his side) I think they let him live as he was a cylon. Also, remember the scene at the end of season two. Leoben was looking for Kara, and Sam rose out of bed like it was no big deal to talk to the guy. One would have thought he knew the guy was a cylon and saw him on caprica before.. JT

  • Jan. 29, 2007, 10:22 p.m. CST

    uh.. can anyone say contr...

    by jimmy rabbitte

    ... oh forget it... airlock everybody

  • Jan. 30, 2007, 12:17 a.m. CST

    love decahedron

    by samsquanch

    is getting dull. <p> EVERYONE knows now that Gaeta is a Cylon, right?

  • Jan. 30, 2007, 1:01 a.m. CST


    by jedimindflayer

    homes, thats what i'm saying; the hybrid theory (i like how that sounds) could pull the plot along for quite a while... taking at least the season you mentioned to resolve. imagine introducing the hybrid-as-cylon plotline at the end of 3, only to have it be a backstory (or b-story) for 4 (if we get one). like a nutsack posited, we could get a starbuck trinity and still have plenty of fuel for a possible season 4; thats what so great about this show- it could really go anywhere. think RDM reads these? **wink wink**

  • Jan. 30, 2007, 1:06 a.m. CST

    truthfully, though

    by jedimindflayer

    i gott say that, the more i kick it around, the more i think that they have to go for something a bit more unexpected. chief tyrol seems to fit the bill; he's got a storyline that hasn't been fully expounded on, which means they can fill in whatever holes they want in a backstory (callie had an affair, maybe?), and it's out of left field enough to get people looking towards a possible 4th season. if i had to choose, i'd go hybrid 1st, but tyrol would be my addition to the conversation.

  • Jan. 30, 2007, 1:44 a.m. CST

    According to the podcast

    by kuryakin

    What Baltar said to Gaeta was not "Yer a Cylon" or "You love my Jesus style" but rather an implication that Gaeta was complicit in an atrocity involving an as-yet unseen group called the Sagitarrians. Apparently this is a storyline that was cut out to be re-inserted later (presumably at the trial)where Balter was verifiably responsible for killing someone. Also in the podcast, Moore referred to things that are due to happen 'in the next season', so he at least seems to think there will be one. As far as the trial itself goes, I reckon that Baltar will be acquitted. Apart from this Sagitarrian business that we don't know about, what can they prove he's done? Let a chick look around his work so he could bang her? Yeah he was President while the Cylons were tortuing people but like he said, he had a gun to his head. Letting him go is the most dramatically interesting thing they could do. The gloves don't fit!

  • Jan. 30, 2007, 6:04 a.m. CST

    I think alot of you are overcomplicating..

    by Lemming

    things too much. So far the answers we have had have been simple answers to complex questions. All this hyprid-theory crap isn't something that's going to go into a TV show. This isn't a Thesis guys. It's entertainment. Factor that into your equations.

  • Jan. 30, 2007, 6:08 a.m. CST


    by Lemming

    Gaius would know if one of the final five were onboard Galactica because he tested everyone and knows who is a cylon and who isn't, yet he was trying to find out who the five were as much as anyone. Who wasn't present for the testing yet is in the fleet now? Bulldog.

  • Jan. 30, 2007, 6:09 a.m. CST


    by Lemming

    Anders. (my kingdom for an edit post button!). There are no other 'main' characters that fit that profile. The only problem is, that being either of them is a pretty cheap shot as they both haven't been around enough to be considered 'main cast' in my mind.

  • Jan. 30, 2007, 6:25 a.m. CST

    is it just me ?

    by dj_bollocks

    i've skimmed through the talkback but.... Gaius attempting to kill himself to prove he's a Cylon - surely a pretty stupid thing to do if you don't know if there's a resurrection ship nearby...

  • Jan. 30, 2007, 8:10 a.m. CST

    Gaius Just Keeps on Getting More and More Likeable!

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    Gaius is in a unique position in that he unwillingly caused the near extinction of his race. As President, he was forced at gunpoint to ordering executions. We are talking about Lord Jim levels of guilt here! Yet, despite all of his actions he comes off as tragically human. Roslin has got her hands dirty also. 1) She split up the fleet, when it suited her. 2) She stole Athena's baby. 3) She promised not to space Leoben and then reneged on that pledge. 4) She attempted to steal the elections. 5) Now, she is up to her old tricks again, circumventing human rights to torture Baltar. Whether we feel that is justified or not, one thing is certain: She chooses when to get all high and mighty, and when to get dirty. And that self-belief that propels her actions is she same motivation that keeps Gaius alive also.

  • Jan. 30, 2007, 9:27 a.m. CST


    by emarten

    This has to be the lamest talkback thread I have ever read. BSG is a great show and all you guys can do is post stupid one liners and asinine comments about how the cast looks. AICN talkback is a wasteland. Buh bye!

  • Jan. 30, 2007, 9:33 a.m. CST

    I'm going to miss emarten

    by chrth

    His contributions -- not only to this Talkback, but to AICN in general -- are some of the deepest, most influential, world-changing experiences I've had in my eight years on AICN. Truly we've lost a giant this day. For shame.

  • Jan. 30, 2007, 9:44 a.m. CST


    by jedimindflayer

    dude, seriouly, un-knot the undies, pal. speculation about bsg is part of the entertainment value of the program for some of us, and it gives us a bit of joy to sit around and bullshit about what-if. you did it in the 90's with brandon and brenda on 90210, we can do it now.

  • Jan. 30, 2007, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Brenda looks Torn Up Now....

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    C'est la Vie....

  • Jan. 30, 2007, 10:21 a.m. CST


    by Admiral_Kirk

    So say we all...

  • Jan. 30, 2007, 10:23 a.m. CST

    Didn't Gaius Test Himself?

    by _Maltheus_

    If his Cylon test did work (and it seemed to given Sharons' results), then why has he been questioning his identity? Surely he would have tried it on himself over the course of developing it. That loophole alone might blow apart the good point made here that the Cylon can't be one of the people on Galactica when he did his tests. They may be ignoring that ep or the final five are constructed differently enough, that they don't register on his test. Or it's Anders, as someone said, but that would be lame.

  • Jan. 30, 2007, 10:45 a.m. CST

    Gaius Could still have doubts...

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    Well, there is an underlying idea that the final 5 Cylons may not be you average run of the mill model. A lot of the metaphysical themes associated with the Final 5 conveniently allows for such inconsistencies.

  • Jan. 30, 2007, 10:47 a.m. CST

    Anders as cylon causes...

    by chromedome

    ...everyone to react:<p>"oh"<p>"okay..."<p>"so?"<p>I am guessing they will choose somebody with a little more shock and awe factor

  • Jan. 30, 2007, 11:19 a.m. CST

    1)Ed-209 2)Johnny-5 3)Bender

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    1)Ed-209 2)Johnny-5 3)Bender 4)Femme-bot 5)Optimus Prime

  • Jan. 30, 2007, 11:43 a.m. CST

    Since we are going old school...

    by Lost Skeleton

    Six is the sexiest beanpole on the planet....and the Matrix is better than Star Wars.

  • Jan. 30, 2007, noon CST

    Semi-off topic: The Last Sentinel?

    by Abin Sur

    Has anyone seen this movie? I'm very interested in the plot and character motivation, but I'm much more interested in a certain shower scene with Katee that I've heard about...

  • Jan. 30, 2007, 2:33 p.m. CST


    by Kentucky Colonel

    else you'll pop like a zit!

  • Jan. 30, 2007, 3:26 p.m. CST

    Great episode as usual.

    by Col. Tigh-Fighter

    Big chunky acting all round.

  • Jan. 30, 2007, 3:42 p.m. CST

    What did Baltar whisper to Gaeta?

    by Russman

    Since the start of the show someone on here kept saying that Gaeta was a Cylon... Whatever Baltar said to him it pissed Gaeto off so much to try to kill him.

  • Jan. 30, 2007, 5:31 p.m. CST

    Pure conjecture here, but I

    by DarfurOnTheRocks

    Pure conjecture here, but I just think that he reminded him that Gaeta's hands are far from clean.....and that he also partook in the Cylon sandwich that was D'Anna and Six...

  • Jan. 30, 2007, 6:15 p.m. CST

    the "children" around Baltar's resurrection pod

    by Amy Chasing

    don't know if anyone's mentioned this before, but when Baltar is just about to lose conciousness while he's under the anxiety-drug, who are the child-like primal looking people around the resurrection pod he's hallucinating? Notice the rashes on their arms and faces? And one has an eye-patch, possibly to represent Tigh. <P> If this is the way he sees the Galactica crew, why like this?

  • Jan. 30, 2007, 7:54 p.m. CST

    Lemming RE: Bulldog

    by NoHubris

    I mentioned Bulldog in last week's TB as a possible member of the final five.<P>But you are right in that he has not been tested. I don't think Baltar even knows who he is since their paths have never crossed.

  • Jan. 30, 2007, 7:55 p.m. CST

    O.K. DarthSidious...

    by jimmy rabbitte


  • Jan. 30, 2007, 8:01 p.m. CST

    What Baltar Could Have Whispered to Gaeta

    by NoHubris

    "I saw your Cylon copies walking around on the Cylon Basestar" or "I saw copies of you in the Cylon resurrection pods on the basestar."

  • Jan. 30, 2007, 8:05 p.m. CST


    by jimmy rabbitte

    Gaete got that shifty Cylon look about him... or maybe we're being led purposelt astray, but I don't think so.

  • Jan. 30, 2007, 8:06 p.m. CST

    gotta love typos

    by jimmy rabbitte

    jimmy rabbitte

  • Jan. 30, 2007, 8:33 p.m. CST

    Typos GOTTA EAT

    by Pennsy

    Well, don't they?

  • Jan. 30, 2007, 10:11 p.m. CST

    ...damn things...

    by jimmy rabbitte

    are eatin' my keyboard...<p> AIRLOCK 'EM ALL!!!!!!

  • Jan. 30, 2007, 10:18 p.m. CST

    producers of...

    by jimmy rabbitte

    the MOCK-u-mentary R2-D2: Beneath The Dome are set to shoot a follow-up entitled 'I Lobot', a biographical behind-the-scenes and in-yo-face look at Bespin's favorite lobotmizied lackey. Appropriately enough the project is receiving major backing from Colt 45...

  • Jan. 30, 2007, 11:16 p.m. CST

    This Baltar torture episode...

    by NoHubris

    ...was an excellent segue into the reemergence of Zarek.<P>Because Adama and Roslin did not delegate (except for the brief toss to Gaeta) and were so hands on, the confrontation with Zarek should be very intense.

  • Jan. 30, 2007, 11:26 p.m. CST

    Hybrid/Final Five Theory

    by NoHubris

    A question that has to be answered is this:<P>What happens to the Hybrids when they die - like when the basestars were destroyed as in Exodus Part 2?<P>The answer to that question would be informative concerning the Hybrid Theory. Are they resurrected somewhere (if so, where?)or do Hybrids just die an electric death?

  • Jan. 30, 2007, 11:43 p.m. CST


    by chromedome

    ...excellent question! They need to fit that in somewhere.<p>I would assume, simply because even the raiders are downloaded (ref: Scar), that a hybrid is also downloadable, as far as normal cylons are concerned.<p>If not, then it would open the door a little wider, possibly, for the Hybrid Theory. But I think the door is open wide enough either way: they have been spoonfeeding us some tidbits here and there, and showing us that, for example, the Hybrid knew that the Eye Of Jupiter Temple would allow the Chosen One to see the Final Five--something none of the cylons knew, and D'Anna only suspected, and doubted right up to the last.<p>So I think whatever the answer to your excellent question, the Hybrid Theory could still stand, with interesting depth to the Hybrid character added either way.

  • Jan. 30, 2007, 11:52 p.m. CST

    A big Final Five Mystery...

    by chromedome

    ...for me, anyway, is this:<p>What are the particulars of the 7 vs. the 5?<p>Six said "we don't speak of them" with a pained look on her face in one episode<p>None know what they look like.<p>Cavill was ready to kill D'Anna to prevent her from seeing them: "you will see the faces of the final five--that CAN'T happen"<p>Many TBs ago, I took the first (we don't speak about them) and ran with it, proposing that the 5 were early models that, for whatever reason, were Boxed. It would seem, that if any/all of the 7 had been around and involved in the Boxing, their faces would be known. Cavill just Boxed D'Anna, with no indication that his or the others memories would be wiped of all knowledge of D'Anna (at least not yet).<p>Boxing itself is interesting: they seemed to have the gear ready, the process was known (and feared) by all 7, yet, with only 12 models, 5 unknown to them, can it be that boxing has never been done before--D'Anna was the first to actually be boxed? Or have they boxed only some of a line (as it seemed they might be threatening with Boomer), and D'Anna was the first whose Entire Line was boxed? I think that must be it....

  • Jan. 30, 2007, 11:57 p.m. CST

    I think, now, that the final five weren't boxed models

    by chromedome

    from the past. Don't know what they might be...<p>It WILL be interesting if soon, someone like Baltar mentions D'Anna, and Six says "we don't speak of her" though....

  • Jan. 31, 2007, midnight CST

    It does semm as if D'Anna is the first full line...

    by NoHubris be boxed. But that raises another issue, maybe they do not really know what goes in the Cylon conscious during the boxed state. They could be doing harm or causing something worse without realizing it.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 12:01 a.m. CST

    meant to say "seem"

    by NoHubris

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 12:06 a.m. CST

    Final Five could be self-boxed models...

    by NoHubris

    ...from the past.<P>It could be that these are the ones who found self boxing as a way of starting a new regime.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 8:29 a.m. CST


    by Lemming

    90210? I would never have associated myself with that garbage, mate :) Anyway, I'm not "getting my undies in a twist" I'm trying to stop the fanboyism before it starts. Star Wars fans did it with the prequals and there 'crazy' predictions and it didn't do anything but sound like moronic fan-fic. That's right mate: It's one step away from Harry Potter Erotica Fan Fiction. You have been warned. :D

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 8:31 a.m. CST


    by Lemming

    the only problem with our little theory now is that it seems unlikely it could be either Bulldog or Gaita as I've seen a still of the 'final five' without the glaring lighting and even though you can't see the detail of their faces, they are all most definetly white as snow.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 8:35 a.m. CST


    by Lemming

    It's my understanding that they Final Five were boxed and all memories erased of them because of their dangerous actions/ideals. D'anna didn't get that far and was boxed before she started causing trouble, so I don't think they need to wipe memories of her. On the contrary, she would serve as a warning to any Cylon who decided to go down that route again.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 10:12 a.m. CST

    Interesting Lemming.

    by mrfan

    Maybe the final five could be revived. Maybe one of the final five doesn't know that he/she is a Cylon. They escaped with memory loss. Once that person gets their memory back they could start trying to get the others revived. I can see a cylon war brewing in the background.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 10:27 a.m. CST

    Final Four

    by Kentucky Colonel

    MARCH MADNESS, BABY! I see last year's cinderella story George Mason vs. Georgetown and Louisville vs. Kentucky. Louisville will prevail over Mason by a last second three point shot to win by 1 point, final score 68-69. In my dreams......

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 10:54 a.m. CST

    Actually. It's quite possible Gaeta is gay.

    by CrichtonAstronut

    Which would be pretty cool to have a major character in a scifi be gay. However, whether that's worse than being a traitor depends greatly on the culture's attitude toward Homo Sexuals, which so far is unknown. Many are obviously highly religious, but we don't know their religion's stand on this issue. If it is that taboo, it would definitely be a relevant and important theme, too often ignored in scifi television. And the guy who plays Gaeta would do a brilliant with that material.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 11:47 a.m. CST

    Homosexuals would be worthless...

    by thatdudewalter a civilization that is near extinction. A waste of limited food, water, and bunk space. Sorry. I know it is not PC...just being practical.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 1:14 p.m. CST

    That's retarded

    by CaptainBitchway

    He's a military officer who is invaluable to the fleet. How is he worthless if he's gay? Believe or not, gay people can have children too. If he wanted to, he could procreate with a woman, donate his sperm, etc. if the survival of the species was at stake. Saying that homosexuals are worthless because they typically don't have children is like saying anyone who chooses not to have children (or someone who is incapable of having children) are also worthless.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 1:27 p.m. CST

    Yeah so...

    by superfriends99

    Geata is gay and probably won't have children, let's airlock him cuz he's worthless. Wait what about Starbuck, a female pilot? Shouldn't she be home having babies and repopulating the species? She's worthless, airlock her too! In fact, if you're not either pregnant and getting someone pregnant, you should be airlocked because the only thing that makes anyone worth anything is active reproductive ability.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 1:49 p.m. CST

    ...and we're back...

    by jimmy rabbitte

    AIRLOCK EVERYBODY!!!!!! <p> But seriously, arbitrarily deciding that someone is of little or no worth, and having them killed should *never* be considered a solution. <p> In the context of this show though, someone (or several people actually) need to seriously start having more babies, or they simply won't survive as a matter of attrition.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 2:36 p.m. CST


    by thatdudewalter

    I qualified my remark by saying "to a civilization near extinction." Homosexuals obviously are not worthless in our society. It is a hypothetical, worst-case-scenario situation, so get your collective panties out of bunches. I stand by my assessment. The only way for a civilization to step away from that brink would be to procreate aggressively. BSG presents a unique scenario, in that resources are very limited, and they really do have no idea when they might be stumbling upon a new source of food, fuel, oxygen, water, etc. I can see Gaeta being the exception because of his unique knowledge and expertise of Galactica's systems. It does not only apply to homosexuals. The elderly (unless one assumes they have a Caprican version of Viagra), the sick, the impotent, the sterile would all have to be sacrificed for the survival of the species. If food was really short, then they could even use the bodies as sustenance. And the network complains that BSG's tone is ALREADY too dark...

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 2:57 p.m. CST

    to: thatdudewalter

    by jimmy rabbitte

    Consider me not only unbunched, but never bunched in the first place. The point you are making has theoretical merit. But as Hollywood is *the* bastion of political correctness it likely could never be put into practice when writing the show. Look at all the trouble that guy on Grey's Anatomy got into for an anti homo-sexual remark he made *off* camera.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 3:24 p.m. CST

    the sterile

    by superfriends99

    What's the point of sacrificing sterile men? It only takes a few men to produce enough sperm to make a hundred babies, that is if you really want to reduce your society to a "baby making factory".

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 3:27 p.m. CST

    ...reminds me of...

    by jimmy rabbitte

    that scene on The Simpsons when Springfield was full of burping babies that had sired by Barney's donated sperm...

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 3:29 p.m. CST


    by jimmy rabbitte


  • Jan. 31, 2007, 8:27 p.m. CST

    Baby Making Factory

    by thatdudewalter

    When your population approaches the critical number, and your resources are dwindling, the leaders have to make difficult decisions. A grown sterile man is going to consume the food that could feed two or three children. Sorry to make it a numbers game, but at that point, you are talking about the survival of the species (gee, it is almost as if I have heard that somewhere before). Yes, it is stripping away some of the more romantic ideals of humanity in exchange for cold, hard numbers, but even posterity forever villifying you as a heartless monster is better than extinction.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 8:41 p.m. CST


    by jedimindflayer

    you ever seen any of that potter fanfic shite? creeeeeeeepy; the one i saw right before book 5 came out was from a truly diseased mind :) moral of the story- don't go out trying to download an as-of-yet unpublished novel. </p> on-topic- even though it spawns a whole cottage industry of devil-spawn, it does speak to the overall quality of the product. plus, they gotta know if we're talking about it, we're watching it. so, by spawning this, we're doing our damdest to ensure it's survival.

  • Jan. 31, 2007, 8:46 p.m. CST

    and another thing

    by jedimindflayer

    i could definately see a model of the final 5 escaping (memory not intact) and acting as an agent against their own. kinda a parellel for baltar, truthfully. would any of the final 5 be able to download, do you think?

  • Feb. 5, 2007, 8:40 a.m. CST


    by jimmy rabbitte

    ...can you *do* that?