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"The Avengers" animated images !!!
Glen here...
...with another report from RANGER ONE. Regular readers may remember Ranger One's
previous contribution to Coaxial, which was a set of images from Spiderman Unlimited. HREF="http://www.aint-it-cool-news.com/display.cgi?id=3115">CLICK HERE to access
said report.
Now, Ranger One is back with a look at a proposed animated series about
The Avengers (no, it's not the same Avengers as
that old British spy thingie that got turned into a rotten
mainstream movie last summer. It's an entirely different & unrelated
concept...)
Ranger One indicates he prefers to think of the Avengers in this proposed series as being "The
Age of Apocalypse" Avengers. These Avengers have been "re-created" by Chris Bachelo, who
recently left The Uncanny X-Men.
Here are the pictures sent in by Ranger One. See what you think...
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How does "Wonder Man" deserve to be on this? I think I'll just dodge this series completely... (Designs look crappy all around, IMHO)
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I still can't figure out why the hell there won't be a capt America , Thor or Iron man in the series. the aavengers are nothing without the big 3, So what if they are planning on making series for them in the furture.
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What the hell is this? This is the Avengers cartoon? This is about as Avengers as Beast Wars is Transformers. Remember when the Avengers used to be Captain America, Iron Man, Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, Thor, and a whole slew of other cool Marvel icons fighting injustice the world over? Waitaminute!! They're still exactly that!! So why in the shit does the Avengers cartoon look like an episode of Exo-Squad???
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If there's no Emma Peel then there's just no appeal.
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Forget the big five, the Avengers just ain't the Avengers without Jarvis! Where's the Jarvis-Transforms-into-Vacuum-Cleaner action figure? Or the Evil Bizarro Jarvis action figure? (He throws dust all over the Mansion)
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This doesn't look like the Avengers everyone has grown up on! It looks like, it smells like...well, I'm just glad I didn't step in any "Avengers"!
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First of all these pictures look like toy designs for Toy Biz's Shape Shifters line. It would seem that Fox wants to re invent old Marvel just to attract younger viewers and to keep us older veiwers at bay. I know if I was ten years old right now I would pee on myself with excitement. And to ALL of you BEASTWARS haters, I love the original series too, but as far as story telling and look Beastwars tops almost every thing done in the original series. I say Almost because every good story that comes out of Beastwars is built on aspects and events from TF:the original series. Since Avenger and the new Beastwars series(Beast Machines,"don't ask") will be starting around the same time please give the show a chance , you might be surprised!!!
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Hank Pym, who was Ant Man, Goliath and just plain Henry.
No need to panic over just a few slides.
The guys could be less "buff" though.
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Personally, I don't mind the new designs so much. I'm probably going to annoy lots of people by saying this, but I don't see the appeal of the current trend of keeping all the Avengers in their '60s and '70s outfits. I think a little redesigning is in order, and while Marvel's past track record with animation is not great in my mind, I'll reserve judgment until I actually see the show.
Besides, we have to remember the target audience with Saturday morning cartoons: kids. And if I were still a kid, I'd much rather see Hawkeye in this funky hi-tech getup than in that ugly purple thing he's got in the comics.
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First of all, I think She Hulk is right and that is supposed to be Ant Man, both in and out of his exo armor. I honestly don't think Hawkeye looks that bad, and Wonderman looks pretty much the way he looks in the comics right now with his ionic energy form. Ant Man looks pretty shitty (mechanical ants). The main problem is how dark the images look. Avengers is supposed to be a sort of upbeat, truth justice American way sort of thing. Not Navy skies and toppled buildings. Also, anyone else notics Spider-Man swinging by in the top right of the logo?
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Captain America, if he ever appears on the show, would only come late in the season according to reports. As for Iron Man, I've heard because of the recentness of his series, he's being excluded too.
As the team looks to be shaping up, it's Avengers West Coasters mostly. Scarlet Witch, Hawkeye, Vision, Wonder Man, Dr. Pym (as Ant-Man), Wasp, and everyone's favorite party animal, Tigra.
If this show is 1/10 of what Exo-Squad was I'll be very happy.
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Is it just me, or is that spiderman swinging across "The Avengers" title graphic. (personally I think it's just me swinging across the title graphic)
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WHAT TH HELL?!?!?! I am a huge fan of the Avengers comic, whatever those are pics from they are not Averngers. Sure they look like Avengers(Wonder Man and I think the other one is Hawleye???). Just what the hell are they? Whats the matter with Cap, Thor, Iron Man, and the rest of the gang fighting the Masters of Evil, Ultron, and Kang the Conqueror as the governments Super Hero Team. The Avengers should be in New York City battling every crazied villian who might attempt world domination, or keeping Earth safe when the Kree and Skrull try to eliminate each other. Whatever is pictured above sure does not look like Earth's Mightiest Heros to me.
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Well, except for the fact that the art is crap, it is kinda cool seeing Wonder Man. However, the design for both Ant Man and Hawkeye looks rediculous. I was under the impression that Chris Bachelo had some amount of talent, but I see that I was sorely mistaken. I laugh when I see this crap with the Avengers name stamped on it.
I would say that the Avengers comic series is kickin' @$$, but I'm about to be subjected to some Jerry Ordway filler issues. Can't wait for the return of Busiek and Perez.
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The appeal of keeping the Avengers in their classic costumes, or variants thereof? It's quite easy to explain:
We're sick of seeing attempts to turn the Avengers into poor X-Men clones and liked them just the way they were.
Think about it- the early 90s part of the series? All jackets and stubbles and angst, presided over by Mutant Uberboss Bob Harras. The mid 90s? Some gall stone called Heroes Reborn (which many prefer to think of as "Heroes Deformed"), written and occasionally pencilled by noted shill Rob Liefeld, who got his career started by ruining second-tier Mutant books and apprently thought the Avengers were the same thing, giving us a Valley Boy Thor, Wolverine pretending to be Hawkeye and perhaps the most bafflingly stupid incarnation of the Vision ever seen. Busiek and Perez haven't been perfect, to be sure, but they at least understand the Avengers and have given us some great stories for the first time since Roger Stern was fired off the book. The classic costumes are part of what people associate with the high points in Avengers history, so why not bring them back (especially considering the barf-inducing looks Wasp, Scarlet Witch, Hawkeye, Vision, and other cornerstones of the team have had earlier in the decade)?
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Well, if this drags the kids in, great. But you also have to remember that- despite changes and comics becoming more mature over the decades- comics' main audience is still kids too. And you know what the kids think of Avengers now? Outside of the two core X-Men books, it's Marvel's best selling series.
The current retro-classic comic version of the Avengers or the bastard sons of Youngblood: who do you think the kids are gonna watch?
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Ugly purple thing? Where's that? Been reading the final few issues of Heroes Deformed? The only Hawkeye I know of in comics that are currently being published by Marvel is wearing a version of his classic costume, which has lasted decades and is absolutely wonderful, and featured in Avengers and Thunderbolts- two books which, I assure you, the kids ARE buying.
And I remember when they tried to make Hawkeye's costume look something like armour in the Solo Avengers comic. It looked almost as bad as this. Almost.
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Oh, I would be- if I'd seen any new interpretations of my favourite heroes in the AICN report. Instead, all I saw was some subpar Jim Lee types along with Simon Williams, perhaps the only wifestealing cowardly killing embezzler ever to be an Avenger.
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Batman has, over the years, been many different things in the comics. The Avengers have had different line-ups, sure, but in their purest, best form, the Avengers have always been the embodiment of classic all-american heroism. Attempts to make them "kewl" in recent years have failed miserably. Also, while I consider just about every version of Batman valid, there's just times when you know that something's gonna suck hard. Like the first time I saw Alicia, George, and Chris in their shiny purple and silver Batsuits on Harry's page. At that moment, I knew there was no hope for Batman and Robin, and I was right. Ditto here. Change is cool- Burton's first Batman and the Batman Animated Series made several changes to the canon- but the ESSENCE of Batman was there. You could tell who Batman and most of his rouges gallery were just by looking at them, and none of the changes deviated that far from the spirit of the comics at the time, just as the Adam West series perfectly nailed the crazed surreal humour of the 50s and 60s version of the character.
The bottom line is: if you make changes to a character, make sure they enhance them while at the same time retaining the things that made them successful in the past or the things that are making them successful before. The dark "kewl" approach has never worked for the Avengers, and it never will. Therefore, it should not be adopted here. -
Oh Cliff how little we know thee.
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I'd have to agree w/ most of the posts on this, the show should be THE AVENGERS (Capt. America, Iron Man, Hulk, Thor, Vision, Giantman, etc.), not a bunch of second-string characters pulled from some lame, alternate Age of Apocalypse universe. Unfortunately it won't be that way, because 1.) Those are the heavy-hitters of the Marvel Universe, so why bunch them together on a team show when Marvel can develop individual shows for each, making the merchandising that much more profitable (i.e. each character would have it's own line, rather than everything under the Avengers banner). 2.) Marvel comics is now owned by Toy Biz, so this show and the "Spider-Man Unlimited" show will probably just serve as a 1/2 hour advertisement for the new line of figures. I mean come on, the most recent "Spider-Man" show wasn't cancelled because they ran out of stories (theres 35 years worth to tell), they just ran out of characters to make into figures, so they create a new Spider-Man universe w/ all new potential action figures posing as characters. Don't get me wrong, I know these shows are by design marketing tools to sell toys, but the toys that Toy Biz created for the last "Spider-Man" show were quite good, and having seen the box set of the original Avengers line-up that is coming out, those look great too. So why not base the series on the original line-up? That's what they did w/ "Batman: the Animated Series", and it (and it's toy line) became immensly popular w/ kids and adults. They didn't just jump into "Batman Beyond" from the get go, they let the first series build and develop. If they want to use those charcters in the production designs shown above, fine, but how about a few years of "The Avengers: the Animated Series" w/ the original line-up before we get into "The Avengers Beyond"?
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Boy, these pictures scare me. Oh, sure, I know there's no real way to judge the final product by a small sample of stolen frames, but I still find my stomach knotting up when I try to imagine what crap they're going to pull with Avengers. Actually, the scariest thought is that they'll make Wanda into the thickly accented, jealous nincompoop they had on that stink-fest of an Iron Man animated series. Now THAT was enought to make me lose my lunch a couple of times over. Wanda should never be used as comic relief. NEVER. Oh, and King Mob, in your description of Heroes Deformed, you neglected to mention the most painful deformation of all . . . the transformation of Hellcat into a Wolfsbane/Feral/Thorn/Wildchild/Liefeld-bastardization of what an "animalistic" character has to look and act like. Lets hope that the Tigra in the animated series doesn't have a wedge hair-do, otherwise I might have to storm the offices of whoever's responsible and let them feel the wrath of a geek enraged!
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This line-up SUCKS ASS!
It should have a better team roster. Members like IRON MAN, CAPTAIN AMERICA, THOR, SCARLET WITCH, HULK, etc...
In other words, the HEROES REBORN team! That would rock!
And on that note, I still wish Dini/Timm would get together for a JLA animated series with the current "big seven" roster (superman, batman, flash, green lantern, etc...)!
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The lineup, barring the overrated, unlikable, boring Wonder Man character, honestly doesn't bother me. Hawkeye, Vision, and Scarlet Witch are 3/6ths of what I consider to be the heart of the Avengers (along with Cap, IM, and Thor, naturally), and Wasp and Ant-Man were founding members of the team (even if Ant-Man is Hank Pym's lamest identity and seeing him as Yellowjacket or Goliath would be cooler). So I really don't have a problem with the lineup, even if it is more the West Coast Avengers than the classic Avengers. Granted, I'd rather have Cap, IM, Thor, Hawkeye, Vizh, Scarlet Witch, and either Beast or Warbird/Ms. Marvel as the team, but in the light of all the merchandising deals and stuff, this lineup suits me just fine.
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It's kinda hard to judge the quality of an animation based on a few stills, but on that last pic alone, I can almost guarantee that the quality of the animation is gonna be crap. Is it just me, or does it kinda look like whoever that is was pasted on top of a decent background? It reminds me a little of Spider Man when they used to have the animated him on the CG-backgrounds. There have been good examples of mixing CG and traditional animations together, Batman: SubZero being one of them, but when the two don't mesh well together, it's a major disappointment. I don't know if the background is CG or not, but when you look at it with whoever it is in the forground, it just doesn't look right.
I don't really follow the Avengers, so I can't say much about the actual content, but I do know that Cap America, Iron Man and Hawkeye were some of the mains, and from what I hear, they aren't there. When you make a show based on something but you exclude some of the main characters for whatever reason or conflict with what people know about it, (like the X-Men, they left out so many of them and when they introduced them as extras they had no clue who they were; and SilverSurfer, that show directly conflicted with it's comic book AND the Fantastic Four cartoon as far as when Galactus came to earth) the fans can't correctly identify anything. A division is created between the TV series fans and the comic series fans that people either think it's tolerable or it's crap, and the show dies.
If Marvel wants another good show, I think they need to pick a comic of theirs that they will do the comic itself justice, almost to the point where people can read their comic books as a script, but leaves room so that if they wanted to take it into another direction after a certain point, they could. Also, they shouldn't just stick in CG whenever they could just for the sake of it (I remember they did alot of that for the Silver Surfer special effects) but rather they should have a good excuse to put it in. Besides, isn't a comic book about hand drawn art, not computer generated art? -
King Mob: While I do agree with some of your points, I don't see why redesigning Avengers neccessarily equals turning them into X-Men or Youngblood clones. I've read some of the Avengers series, and it just seems like not much has changed since my old issues from the early 80s or so.
Heck, sometimes things tend to move backward--remember when Hawkeye was a pretty level-headed leader of the West Coast team? As soon as #1 of the latest series rolled around he was a cocky wiseass who didn't know how to work on a team. Why? Because that's the way people remembered him.
I don't think the "new look" for the animated Avengers is entirely great, visually speaking. (I still kinda like Hawkeye, but that's just me.) What I *do* applaud is someone trying to do something a little bit different with them. I have as much respect for decades-old characters as anyone--where would we be without Superman, Batman, Cap, and so forth?--but quite frankly the amount of stagnation in comics (and their animated counterparts) disgusts me. Is poor Frank Richards ever going to be allowed to reach his tenth birthday? -
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Well, I'll be the first to admit that I might be overreacting, and while the costumes and weapons do look like something out of some X-Image book, the characters might be represented very well despite that. Still, the dark look and funky armour and stuff do not inspire confidence in me.
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Interesting. Your opinion is valid, of course, but one thing that Busiek has been trying to do recently is show that the characters have changed so much over the years that they cannot work together anymore. In the most recent issue, concerns were raised about Captain America's leadership, Hawkeye has quit to lead the Thunderbolts, Thor is absent much of the time, and Justice and Firestar have been given more of the limelight as time goes on. I personally think that Kurt has not handled the subplot as well as he could have, as the idea of the Avengers suddenly forgetting how to function as a team and becoming mornic boobs in combat doesn't ring true to me, but the idea is there and intruiging.
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Well, Mr. Barton's always been somewhat cocksure and smart-mouthed, but yes, he is an excellent leader and is whipping the Thunderbolts into shape quite nicely. I get the feeling that when he's not in a position of authority, he's much more of a wiseass, but when he's put in a leadership position, he becomes a little more even-headed.
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My problem with Hawkeye is that is JUST DOES NOT LOOK LIKE HAWKEYE. I might be able to handle the funky armour if he at least had his classic mask on, and an actual bow as opposed to that bizarre machine gun thingy he's toting. Redesigns are fine by me, but there's nothing for me to latch onto. Apart from the very tenuous connection that can be made from the purple and black colour scheme, the character could just as easily be Youngblood's Shaft.
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Believe it or not, I do truly agree with this setiment and have long argued for aging superheroes. The idea of a post-apokalyptic, darker Avengers team does have some merit, perhaps, but for the very first TV representation of Marvel's Avengers? I agree with the person who said that we should have Avengers before Avengers Beyond. I'm sure that if Batman Beyond had started in 1992, we'd all be sitting around scratching our heads and wondering what the hell it was supposed to be. Instead, we got the classic Batman and hands-down the best, most-respected American animated adventure TV series in decades. Now that we all know the Batman legacy, it's fine to expand that legacy. Change is well and good, but there has to be a foundation before we start building a skyscraper. Tossing out an Avengers team unfamiliar to both comic fans and the general public is going to be confusing at best, and disasterous at worst. Give us all three, four years of the old school Avengers so that we can get to know them, and then take them in a new direction. Hitting the ground a'running with a collection of strangers doesn't give anyone the chance to savour the Avengers we all know and love, nor does it give us time to care about these new characters that are supposed to be the same ones we all grew up with.
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Feb 28, 1999 7:01:44 PM CST
Chris Bachalo Massively Talented Artist, but these pics look lik
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Sorry, but this is an even worse idea than the Futuro-Spidey series that was posted last week. It's gonna use the same crap-ass animation as X-Men and Spidey , about 4 frames per second, horrible voice acting and shitty updates to the Avengers squad. I used to get hyped up when ComicScene (remember them?)had rumors of animated series in the works. Did anyone ever see the pilot episode of the original X-men series? Now THAT kicked ass. Great animation, and aside from Wolvie's voice, the acting was great. By the way, after finally getting to watch Batman Beyon, I am now putting all my faith into the folks at Warners for my animated super-hero fix. Screw you, Marvel. Keep turning out that schlock while tumbling towards bankruptcy, taking some of the greatest characters down the toilet along with you...
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I know I'm gonna sound like an old fogey here, and I'm only 26 for cripe's sake, but I must agree that Marvel is dead, and has been for some time now. This Avenger series, if it gets off the ground, will simply stink, which is what most every Marvel comic has done for the last decade. You younger guys and gals just don't know how GOOD Marvel used to be. The 70's and 80's were nirvana for Marvel comics. Chris Claremont wrote STORIES with subplots and context. Artist created their OWN STYLE of art, instead of imitating Jim Lee. Marvel seemed to care deeply about the integrity of their characters. Nowadays, Marvel is clearly only interested in grabbing revenue WHEREVER and HOWEVER they can to save their failing company. Better for Marvel to gone out of business than to travel the path they've taken in recent years.
My God, can any one dispute that the X-Men were BETTER represented in "SPIDERMAN AND HIS AMAZING FRIENDS" than in that poorly animated, poorly written bastardization of the X-men we now have? Does anyone else want to SUE MARVEL for the forty-second version of Windor-Smith's BRILLIANT "Weapon X" they gave us? (If you don't know what I'm talking about - go to your local comic shop and ask for Barry Windsor-Smith's "Weapon X" - If the shopkeep looks at you with a blank stare - leave immediately and find another comic shop.) Are there any fans of Marvel's other efforts of late? Iron Man? Hulk? Silver Surfer? Fantastic Four? They're TERRIBLE! Does any one disagree? And please, non of this "it's not THAT bad" stuff. Yes, it's THAT BAD.
And now it's the Avenger's turn. PLease, If ANYONE in Marvel upper management is still reading this, do us all a favor and close up shop. Let your talented writers and artists (you don't have many left, and as soon as their contracts are up, they're going to be leaving anyway) go, and start reprinting everything from FF #1 through X-Men #300 or so. Please stop doing this to your characters. Please stop re-writing the marvel universe history EVERY TIME YOU MAKE A NEW SERIES!!! I may cry. Forget it, I'm gonna go read som Hellboy and cool off. -
He X-Men'ed the Avengers! Wow...Wonder Man sure looks a lot like Mr. Sinister...pure genius! I'm guessing these are the opening credits.
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This isn't the Avengers... where's Captian America, Iron Man, Thor or the Hulk? Ok... So you can have the Avengers without Thor or the Hulk, but NOT without either Iron Man or Captian America! Is that blonde buy Hawkeye? And is Wonderman a fill in for Iron Man? If they need fill ins, then fine, have Captian America lead the Wasp, Antman, Hawkeye and any other B grade Marvel Super-zeros. Come on, screw these B grade Marvel rejects... Give us THE AVENGERS... If not, then at least they could give us Mrs. Peel... 8)
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I find it hard to think of Wasp, Ant-Man, and Hawkeye as grade-B Avengers characters. Wasp was a successful leader of the team in the 1980s, Hawkeye is one of the most beloved and respected Avengers in the eyes of Avengers fans, and...well...Ant-Man ditched that crap and got cooler identites as Yellowjacket and Goliath (OK, so you have a point in his case). The bottom line is that you can hardly call these guys grade-B Avengers. In many cases (Tigra and Ant-Man being notable exceptions), they're considered by most fans to be the cornerstones of the team. Hell, even Wonder Man, who I consider to be a complete and total loser, is a favourite of Avengers fans.
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Ranger- I can see what you're saying, but I disagree with it. Yes, they rewrote Green Lantern's origin, but could you tell who he was supposed to be if you looked at him? Yes. Was his origin largely the same as it was in the comics, only with Kyle slotted in instead of Hal? Yes. Was Kyle the same sort of character he is in the comics? Yes. Were his powers and function the same as they are in the comics? Yes. Hell, we even got the oath! The bottom line is that for all the changes and tweaks and revisions, the character was easily identifiable as a hybrid of the Silver Age and Modern Age Green Lantern. Changes are fine by me, and I accept them in most cases (such as the Joker killing Batman's parents in the movie, or Tina McGee cavorting around with Barry Allen). But the things you have to ask yourself is: do these changes serve to either improve or make more accessible the character? Do they preserve the basic elements that made the character or characters enjoyable in the first place? Do they reflect the comic as it was at its' heights, or at least is it currently is? Granted, despite the apparent bastardizations of Ant-Man and Hawkeye, the rest may have only good changes made to them, and Hawkeye and Ant-Man's only changes might be their costumes. But taking into account these pictures, the producers are just making changes to the characters with reckless abandon and if they lose what made them appealing in the first place, that's too dang bad.
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Having grown up reading Avengers West Coast, I think this series has great potential. Who needs good ole' Cap, when you have Hawkeye? And what's all this talk about the line-up being B-Grade Avengers? Anyone who knows anything about the Avengers knows that Hawkeye and the Scarlet Witch have been around almost since the beginning (circa Avengers #16), and Wasp and Dr. Pym were there when the comic started. It's true that Wonder Man and the Vision came later, but they are considered to be core team members right along side Thor, Cap, and ol' Shellhead. Let's not forget that the tv series gives the current Avengers book the chance to be #1 on Marvel's rosters, instead of #1 after the X-Titles. (Busiek and Perez rule!) I can't wait to judge the manga look for myself when Avengers hits Saturday morning this fall!!!
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They couldn't be faithful to the comic!Intead of unique looking characters we know and love, we have Avengers that look like all the other shit out there. I don't care how good the story is, if I don't like the art or animation, I can't enjoy the show. sigh. Remember the glory days.......Byrne, cockrum,Ultron5,Barry Smith,the book went to shit around 220 and was never the same after that. Avengers Annual 10(Rogue zaps Carol Danvers, with Brotherhood of Mutants,XMen) is still one of my favorite comics. If you haven't read it-you should!!!I gave up on Marvel comics around '84 - but I still go back to my collection every once in a while to read a stack of back issues. I still enjoy them. By the way,Captain America and Iron Man BELONG in the Avengers!
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that Captain America IS the Avengers. He's basically the only member who has stuck it out through every generation. The Wasp and Henry Pym are only decent secondary characters. Ideally, the team should be the Classic Avengers plus two rotating members who will come and go, like Hawkeye, Vision, Mantis, Black Widow, She-Hulk, etc. I'd even like to see them do it set back in the 50's or 60's, in sort of a take off the Marvels series, but that will never happen. And whoever called these concept drawings -- WAKE UP!!! these are the opening titles, I'd bet you five bucks.
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You have got to be joking...I have read every issue of the Avengers, in every conceivable line-up, by every writer you could think of, and these characters would NEVER be allowed to exist looking like this if Marvel wasn't in bankruptcy hell right now. BOYCOTT FOXKIDS!!!
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The designs shown look like a Rob Liefield wet dream- excessivley bulging muscles, overly detaied and accessorized equipment, and enough visual effects to make Kirby at his trippiest say "Isn't that a little much?" As for the absence of the Big 3, we saw the West Coast Avengers/Force Works team as back up in the Iron Man/FF cartoons- which while lame, were certainly stronger than the recent Hulk, X-Men are Spidey shows.
I would say DC has the advantage because their current cartoons have a consistent look, are all controlled by the same people, and are not fueled by the same need to make money that Marvels are- desire, yes, but not need.
Until Marvel lets a producer make some toons without fear of bankruptcuy, I see no hope for them. -
No kids, this ain't about Emma Peel, although you've got to love her! This is about the images of the soon-to-be aired Avengers animated show.
This... these images are absolutely ridiculous. Yes, as many have written in this feedback section, Earth's Mightiest Heros are looking here more like a cross between Exo-Squad. Also it's mixing, in my opinion, a bad looking version of the Spawn cartoon. If you've ever read any of the Avengers comics that came out in 60's you will be able to see the appeal and the brilliance behind the original concepts behind the Avengers. This is no X-Men. No stubble on the face angst, etc., as another feedback had put it. The Avengers had a swaggering sort of atitude to their roles as Earth's Mightiest Heros, slighty dark, yes (definitely darker than the JLA), but the key words to their nature are CLASSIC, international (yet, still American, although the relationship to our govt. is often strained, as it should be), larger-than-life, slick, sexy, conceptual. Timeless... Some of the Avengers stories, to this day are writtn and drawn by the most brilliant artists and writers around (like the current stories). I think it's fine to have the Avengers retain their classic costumes. If it ain't broke don't fix it! There's plenty of room for the classic models (and model is coorect... slick... the Avengers ARE originally a product of the 60's... super-heroines look good in go-go boots!) to have great stories and plots to go through. Don't give them no silly body armor either(excpet for Iron Man, natch!).
Why Marvel has to continuosly play around with concepts that are have great original power I don't know.
This is modern mythology folks...
Why don';t they get Bruce Timm to do the Avengers, Spider Man, Capt. America, etc. (The Black Panther, too, for that matter. Good book!).Are they too cheap after the bankruptcy? Attention to quality will make them some money. Why can't Marvel borrow from the Superman/Batman cartoons? There would have to be adjustments, of course, to fit the style into the Marvel mode.
It's time for Marvel to return to TOTAL QUALITY. They are starting with the comics and they need to move onto the animated shows. Live Marvel, live!
And when's the JLA/Avengers cartoon gonna happen?
Awwww nuts! -
No kids, this ain't about Emma Peel, although you've got to love her! This is about the images of the soon-to-be aired Avengers animated show.
This... these images are absolutely ridiculous. Yes, as many have written in this feedback section, Earth's Mightiest Heros are looking here more like a cross between Exo-Squad. Also it's mixing, in my opinion, a bad looking version of the Spawn cartoon. If you've ever read any of the Avengers comics that came out in 60's you will be able to see the appeal and the brilliance behind the original concepts behind the Avengers. This is no X-Men. No stubble on the face angst, etc., as another feedback had put it. The Avengers had a swaggering sort of atitude to their roles as Earth's Mightiest Heros, slighty dark, yes (definitely darker than the JLA), but the key words to their nature are CLASSIC, international (yet, still American, although the relationship to our govt. is often strained, as it should be), larger-than-life, slick, sexy, conceptual. Timeless... Some of the Avengers stories, to this day are writtn and drawn by the most brilliant artists and writers around (like the current stories). I think it's fine to have the Avengers retain their classic costumes. If it ain't broke don't fix it! There's plenty of room for the classic models (and model is coorect... slick... the Avengers ARE originally a product of the 60's... super-heroines look good in go-go boots!) to have great stories and plots to go through. Don't give them no silly body armor either(excpet for Iron Man, natch!).
Why Marvel has to continuosly play around with concepts that are have great original power I don't know.
This is modern mythology folks...
Why don';t they get Bruce Timm to do the Avengers, Spider Man, Capt. America, etc. (The Black Panther, too, for that matter. Good book!).Are they too cheap after the bankruptcy? Attention to quality will make them some money. Why can't Marvel borrow from the Superman/Batman cartoons? There would have to be adjustments, of course, to fit the style into the Marvel mode.
It's time for Marvel to return to TOTAL QUALITY. They are starting with the comics and they need to move onto the animated shows. Live Marvel, live!
And when's the JLA/Avengers cartoon gonna happen?
Awwww nuts!
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