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GRINDHOUSE poster from Japan's Movie Treasure Magazine - this is pretty damn sweet!

Published at: Jan. 22, 2007, 7:38 p.m. CST

Hey folks, Harry here - and this got my grindhouse juices going - I love this guy's work and it's awesome. Click on the image for a larger download version!





Hey Harry, Call me Japattack. My buddy Yoshiki Takahashi, who designed my recent book OTAKU IN USA, just whipped up this unofficial poster for the new issue of Japan's Movie Treasures (AKA Eiga Hiho) magazine. He's also the guy who also made the sweet Japanese tribute posters for KILL BILL that went up on AICN back in the day (Click Here and Click Here). QT himself is believed to have the one for Vol. 1 hanging up his wall. Anyway, let's hope Grindhouse is half as sweet as this badazz poster…and that the MPAA, in their infinite wisdom, makes up their minds to rate it M!

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  • Jan. 22, 2007, 7:41 p.m. CST

    Tarantino is God!

    by The Ghoul

    There, I said it!

  • Jan. 22, 2007, 7:41 p.m. CST

    Rad.

    by georges garvaren

    Japs do fine work.

  • Jan. 22, 2007, 7:42 p.m. CST

    sweet poster

    by Jared

    Really psyched for the film.

  • Jan. 22, 2007, 7:44 p.m. CST

    I love you, Rose

    by CTU Mole

    Rose McGowan is such a Goddess. I even watch her shitty show Charmed just to see what fetish outfit they make her wear each week.

  • Jan. 22, 2007, 7:43 p.m. CST

    I approve.

    by Shermdawg

    It's not as good as the Pulp one, but still, it's pretty damn cool.

  • Jan. 22, 2007, 7:47 p.m. CST

    Hi, I'm new here...

    by THEE Miracleman

    So, this is a talkback.

  • Jan. 22, 2007, 7:48 p.m. CST

    Harry? MPAA? Rated M? Exclamation Mark?

    by georges garvaren

    Do you have an 'inside' source that is saying: "those two chowder heads want to have it rated M!"?

  • Jan. 22, 2007, 7:56 p.m. CST

    The Razzies are out:

    by vivavitalogy

    Worst Picture BASIC INSTINCT 2 BLOODRAYNE LADY IN THE WATER LITTLE MAN WICKER MAN Worst Actor Tim Allen / THE SANTA CLAUSE 3: THE ESCAPE CLAUSE, THE SHAGGY DOG & ZOOM Nicolas Cage / WICKER MAN Larry the Cable Guy (Dan Whitney) / LARRY THE CABLE GUY: HEALTH INSPECTOR Rob Schneider / BENCHWARMERS & LITTLE MAN Marlon Wayans & Shawn Wayans / LITTLE MAN Worst Actress Hilary Duff & Haylie Duff / MATERIAL GIRLS Lindsay Lohan / JUST MY LUCK Kristanna Loken / BLOODRAYNE Jessica Simpson / EMPLOYEE OF THE MONTH Sharon Stone / BASIC INSTINCT 2 Worst Supporting Actress Kate Bosworth / SUPERMAN RETURNS Kristin Chenoweth / DECK THE HALLS, PINK PANTHER & RV Carmen Electra / DATE MOVIE & SCARY MOVIE Jenny McCarthy / JOHN TUCKER MUST DIE Michelle Rodriguez / BLOODRAYNE Worst Screenplay BASIC INSTINCT 2 BLOODRAYNE LADY IN THE WATER LITTLE MAN WICKER MAN Worst Screen Couple Tim Allen & Martin Short / SANTA CLAUSE 3: THE ESCAPE CLAUSE Nicolas Cage & his bear suit / WICKER MAN Hilary & Haylie Duff / MATERIAL GIRLS Sharon Stone's breasts / BASIC INSTINCT 2 Shawn Wayans &/either Kerry Washington or Marlon Wayans / LITTLE MAN Worst Remake or Rip-Off LITTLE MAN (Rip-off of 1954 Bugs Bunny cartoon "Baby Buggy Bunny") PINK PANTHER POSEIDON THE SHAGGY DOG WICKER MAN Worst Prequel or Sequel BASIC INSTINCT 2 BIG MOMMA'S HOUSE 2 GARFIELD 2: A TALE OF TWO KITTIES SANTA CLAUSE 3 TEXAS CHAINSAW MASSACRE: THE BEGINNING Worst Excuse for a Family Film DECK THE HALLS GARFIELD 2: A TALE OF TWO KITTIES SANTA CLAUSE 3 THE SHAGGY DOG

  • Jan. 22, 2007, 8:01 p.m. CST

    This looks cool but are they ever going to stop

    by CTU Mole

    fucking around? Tarantino and to a lesser extent, Rodriguez keep making these "critic proof" films. Simple plot? Over the top acting? Everything is derivative? It's a homage! I like their films but are their entire careers going to be like that?

  • Jan. 22, 2007, 8:03 p.m. CST

    GO RAZZIES

    by Gwai Lo

    TELL IT LIKE IT IS... although i see a suspicious lack of THE COVENANT anywhere on that list. only saw the preview but that alone looked like the worst garbage i've ever seen.

  • Jan. 22, 2007, 8:05 p.m. CST

    Whats With All The 'Lady In The Water" Hate?

    by georges garvaren

    People act like it was made by Hitler or something. It wasn't was it? That really would explain a whole lot though.

  • Jan. 22, 2007, 8:25 p.m. CST

    neat poster

    by ScreamingPenis

    i really hope Tarantino goes back to making something more original after this, rather than homage and throwback. grindhouse still looks fun though.

  • Jan. 22, 2007, 8:25 p.m. CST

    steaming heap of

    by HypeEndsHere

    meh. what's with "All Two in Color"?

  • Jan. 22, 2007, 8:28 p.m. CST

    ah the old question,is there anything new in the world?

    by Amy Chasing

    isn't everything kinda an homage these days? everything's been done before. well, until something new comes along?

  • Jan. 22, 2007, 8:45 p.m. CST

    Looks great.

    by dregmobile

    These movies are going to be a lot of fun.

  • Jan. 22, 2007, 8:52 p.m. CST

    Gnarly...

    by FilmFanatik

    Man this movie is gonna rock my socks off and I can't wait.

  • Jan. 22, 2007, 8:59 p.m. CST

    for once you guys are right...

    by PeteBogs

    I think you fanboys go nuts over just about every little image posted on this sight, but I have to say, I love all the promo images I've seen from this movie... these ones look like they're from some sleazy newsprint adults-only magazine... the earlier full-color(!) ones were pretty amazing, too... "M" was one of the original ratings of the MPAA, was it not? if you see the Brown Bunny poster, Gallo used an "X" rating on it to similar 70s effect... they don't make 'em like they used to... proof positive of that last statement is M. Night Shama-lama--dingdong and his latest flick... I haven't seen it, but if you look at how each movie after Sixth Sense had grown suckier and suckier, that tells you Lady was a piece of crap... hopefully the cocky SOB won't be allowed to direct ever again... then we can get to work on Renny Harlin...

  • Jan. 22, 2007, 9:05 p.m. CST

    Lady in the Water : Audiences = Hitler : Jews

    by IAmJack'sUserID

    Really

  • Jan. 22, 2007, 9:19 p.m. CST

    SOUNDS LIKE THIS YEAR'S LITTLE MISS SUNSHINE!!!

    by Hella

    seriously though, looks preety damn gangster

  • Jan. 22, 2007, 9:32 p.m. CST

    I wish Rose's cooch was in 3-D

    by Dr Gregory House

    Actually, I wish it was on...

  • Jan. 22, 2007, 9:35 p.m. CST

    Glad this is unofficial, though it IS cool as hell

    by Harry Weinstein

    seeing as how M is the rating that was renamed GP, which was quickly renamed PG when someone noticed that GP didn't really make any sense. Seriously doubt, taking the GRINDHOUSE conceit to its logical conclusion, that Quentin or Robert would want either one of these films rocking the M rating. Strictly R or an official MPAA X-in-a-circle, but without the MPAA seal since the X wasn't trademarked and could be self-applied, and thus didn't carry the seal.

  • Jan. 22, 2007, 9:38 p.m. CST

    isn't this from Japan, so hence the M rating?

    by emu47

    maybe? Whatever. Poster looks fucking great. Based on that footage that leaked to YouTube a while ago, I'm psyched for this movie. Just hope Quentin doesn't drop the ball; I'm not feeling his movie yet.

  • Jan. 22, 2007, 9:47 p.m. CST

    All Two

    by Nezzer6364

    In Suck

  • Jan. 22, 2007, 9:53 p.m. CST

    April...

    by Red Ned Lynch

    ...can't get here soon enough. And, if there's any justice in the world, I'll see it first at the drive-in.

  • Jan. 22, 2007, 9:58 p.m. CST

    Examples of films rated M would include...

    by Harry Weinstein

    PAINT YOUR WAGON (re-rated PG-13 in more modern, more conservative times), David Lean's RYAN'S DAUGHTER (re-rated R in more modern, more conservative times), BULLITT (rating automagically converted to PG), COUNT YORGA, VAMPIRE (re-rated PG-13 with some of the cut violent footage restored), THE GOOD, THE BAD, AND THE UGLY (re-rated R in more modern, more conservative times), ONCE UPON A TIME IN THE WEST (re-rated PG-13 in more modern, more conservative times), DANGER: DIABOLIK (re-rated PG-13 in more modern, more conservative times), THEY CALL ME MISTER TIBBS (re-rated R in more modern blah blah). To paraphrase Keith "Teleport City" Allison, it's funny how people often say that things are "tame by today's standards" when today is actually "tame by yesterday's standards".

  • Jan. 22, 2007, 10:11 p.m. CST

    A series it might just spawn...

    by JAGUART

    Its quite possible that 70's retro cinema might be the next form of artistic styling in television that is now filled with saturated hand-held camera work.

  • Jan. 22, 2007, 10:12 p.m. CST

    Naw, that the old MPAA "M" in the poster...

    by Harry Weinstein

    As evidenced by the MPAA seal next to it. Japan's (self-explanitory) system is G, PG-12, R-15, and R-18. The R ratings are firm cut-offs, so even mommy and daddy can't get you in.

  • Jan. 22, 2007, 10:13 p.m. CST

    I liked Lady in the Water

    by topaz4206

    I guess that makes me either an SS Trooper, or one of those Jews that were given jobs in the camps.

  • Jan. 22, 2007, 10:15 p.m. CST

    Anybody else sick of hearing about this"film"???

    by moto

    Okay, QT and RR are going retro... yay. Okay, it's a take on grindhouse movies from the 70s... yay. QT went from being "our generation's Scorsese" (viable label after his Dogs and Pulp Fiction) to "self indulgent hack" who would rather spoof or rip off 70s era subgenres. If only he would get back to STORY TELLING instead of the public masterbation that are the Kill Bill movies and this upcoming Grindhouse schlock. "Oh, I love kung fu theater movies... I love shitty low budget grindhouse flicks..." Quentin said as he strokes himself in front of fanboys. Quentin, you're talented... let's get back to filmmaking.

  • Jan. 22, 2007, 10:31 p.m. CST

    You knoiw...

    by veebeeyes

    I like enjoyable trash as much as the next guy, but when is Tarantino going to go back to making GOOD movies? As disappointed as I was with Jackie Brown, at least that actually felt like a real movie. Kill Bill Volume 1 was pretty much a load of crap as far as I am concerned. I actually did quite enjoy Kill Bill Volume 2. But after second thought, I think that's mostly just because I didn't find it as stupid and gimmicky as Volume 1. And as much as I loved Sin City, it was still just enjoyable trash. Don't get me wrong, I loved the boobs and the gore and the penis-ripping and the atmosphere, but Sin City was fucking stupid. I loved the hell out of it, but it was stupid and I can't in good conscience call it a "good" movie. It honestly feels like A good 15 years since I've seen Quentin Tarantino directly involved with a GOOD movie, and I'm wondering if his first few films weren't just a fluke. I'm honestly getting sick of these talented filmmakers wasting their time with trash just because it's cool and trendy. As much as I like trendy cool trash, I think that Tarantino and Rodriguez have some serious talent, and it honestly makes me sad to see them squandering it on this kind of goofy silly comic book bullshit.

  • Jan. 22, 2007, 10:39 p.m. CST

    But yeah...

    by veebeeyes

    That is an awesome poster. Sorry, I forgot to mention that in last time. Yeah, the poster looks great.

  • Jan. 22, 2007, 11:10 p.m. CST

    Graphic Design Classes....

    by zurge

    ...blow because according to thier wisdom and knolege, this poster sucks. It's all jumbled up, too convoluted for its own good. If a lame layout was the intent of this artist, then I dig it. If not, then woops. I saw the comic con footage and it seems like it's going to be a cool flick no matter what.

  • Jan. 22, 2007, 11:26 p.m. CST

    Everyone's a critic...

    by Alphon

    ...unless they can't spell "knowledge" like zurge. In which case they may be too functionally retarded to have their opinions matter much.

  • Jan. 22, 2007, 11:50 p.m. CST

    The right image is directly taken from "Hell's Belles."

    by Uncapie

    70's biker chic exploitation flick. This is what they called a double feature split ad. Most commonly used in press books from the 50's-70's. A.I.P. and Allied Artists did it all the time for the drive-in theater and second run houses. The "M" featured on the ad is the old MPAA ratings code which meant for mature audiences only. Kids went to see this stuff anyway.

  • Jan. 23, 2007, 12:17 a.m. CST

    looks like

    by radjac33

    It reminds me of the title credits to Smoking Aces.

  • Jan. 23, 2007, 12:24 a.m. CST

    Japanese Marketing PWNS American Marketing

    by Doctor_Sin

    Yes. We suck again.

  • Jan. 23, 2007, 12:48 a.m. CST

    What will QT's next film be an homage to?

    by Doctor_Sin

    White-trash hillbilly exploitation? "Reefer Madness"? Babes behind bars? Nunsploitation? Sword-and-sandal epics? Three Stooges yuckfests with a guy in a gorilla suit scaring the black train porter? "Emmanuelle" movies that have nothing to do with each other, let alone "Emmanuelle"? Scary drivers' ed films of the 50s?

  • Jan. 23, 2007, 1:02 a.m. CST

    Please, Americans are shit at making movie posters

    by Rambo in the Bronx

    All that crap size 20000X Face of the actor and several more actors/actresses behind them gets old and I'm tired of it. Just take shit like Mel Gibson's THE PATRIOT...big ass face of Mel Gibson. or any Mel Gibson's movies. They're always featuring his giant ass head as if the public weren't going to realize it was him.

  • Jan. 23, 2007, 2 a.m. CST

    QT is the lips, RR is the tongue...

    by Doctor_Sin

    The Audience is the Clit.

  • Jan. 23, 2007, 2 a.m. CST

    i`ll see this...

    by Romoehlio

    but more important..where`s the kill bill: whole bloody affair dvd?

  • Jan. 23, 2007, 2:01 a.m. CST

    but more important...

    by Romoehlio

    300 is playing at this years berline. that means, only two weeks to go...wuhuu!!! i`m SO there

  • Jan. 23, 2007, 3:35 a.m. CST

    i hope they dont do the "so

    by Seven Seas

    i hope they dont do the "so bad its good" or "its supposed to be bad" marketing like snakes on a plane....afterward you think 'wait they even said i was shit but like the iSheep i am i went and spent money on it.

  • Jan. 23, 2007, 4:25 a.m. CST

    For a minute I thought what's Zoe BALL doing in this?

    by stones_throw

    No one outside Britain will get this.

  • Jan. 23, 2007, 7:19 a.m. CST

    Once again, us Europeans get shafted.

    by McBane

    Why don't we get this as a double feature?

  • Jan. 23, 2007, 8:07 a.m. CST

    I'm looking forward to this

    by Sheriff_Hoyt

    I'm not going to sit and compare it to past Tarantino or Rodriguez flicks either. I'm sure it will be a helluva lot of fun, and that's what movies are all about for me. I loved what they did together on From Dusk To Dawn, so I have high hopes for this.

  • Jan. 23, 2007, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Like Bill, the first movie poster link is D-E-A-D

    by tylerzero

    Sucks.

  • Jan. 23, 2007, 11:13 a.m. CST

    E.U. does not get this as a double feature cuz

    by Spandau Belly

    France was in charge of the distribution but took the last six months to alternate between going on strike and holiday.

  • Jan. 23, 2007, 11:41 a.m. CST

    Movies that are bad (in a good way)

    by Supernatural_Canary

    Okay, I’m having a hard time understanding. Most people who look back at the Grindhouse and over-the-top exploitation movies of the ‘70’s remember them with nostalgia (“nostalgia” being the key word, here). But nostalgia necessarily distorts memory, painting a picture in our minds of past experience not as it was, but as we remember it, usually for reasons that have nothing to do directly with the thing being remembered. <p> We remember something in a certain way because we associate it with other aspects of the memory that give it meaning, emotion, and relevance. So it makes sense that people would say, “oh, I loved those Grindhouse pictures because my friends and I used to sneak into them and it was so fun,” or “my dad, god rest his soul, took me to them,” or “me and my brother would watch them and then play kung fu action stars in the parking lot afterwards,” or whatever. But you almost never here someone say, “I loved those Grindhouse movies because they were good.” At best, you might hear “I love them because they were bad, and that’s the point,” which is like saying “sure, sour milk smells horrible and it makes you sick, but I like it because that’s what it’s supposed to do.” <p> So here we have two movies that are obviously made to be “bad in a good way,” whatever that means for people who use such a criteria in deciding what movies they are going to see. But just about anyone who looks back at the ‘70’s movies doesn’t say they were good, or even “bad in a good way.” Most (but not all) simply say “they’re bad, but that’s why I like them.” (Which is nuts, in my opinion, but whatever.) There’s so much out there that’s effortlessly bad that it seems grotesque for someone as talented at Quinton Tarantino to take a year or two out of what is essentially a limited amount of time on this planet to produce something as culturally disposable as this stuff. <p> Robert Rodriguez’s inherent talent is still up for debate: SIN CITY was trash, ONCE UPON A TIME IN MEXICO was even worse, and, if you pay really close attention to his movies going all the way back to EL MARIACHI, one is struck by the realization that he absolutely does not know how to cover a scene in which there’s lots of action happening. His action scenes are incoherent. Furthermore, if you watch closely, you’ll notice that he covers up this lack of scene coverage with jump edits and by repeating shots over and over again. If that’s not the hallmark of a weak storyteller, I don’t know what is. <p> Now, should someone present a plausible and compelling argument to the contrary, I’m willing to admit that I’m way off base. Until then, I can’t comprehend the value of movies made to be bad on purpose in an era when cineplexes are awash in terrible movies that have been produced by people who thought they were making something good. <p> Let the Canary bashing begin.

  • Jan. 23, 2007, 11:48 a.m. CST

    My name is MetalWater and this looks like crap!!!

    by Zarles

    I do not care if you disagree with me!! If you do, you are a plant!! And gay, too!! You are a gay plant and this movie sucks and my name is MetalWater!! Exclamation points!!

  • Jan. 23, 2007, 11:56 a.m. CST

    correction: "Quentin"

    by Supernatural_Canary

    So you might ask yourself, "How can I even take an argument seriously from someone who misspells the last name of the director he's criticizing?" You got me there. I have no excuse. But if you can see past such an obviously stupid mistake on my part, I'd appreciate it.

  • Jan. 23, 2007, 12:55 p.m. CST

    Dig it, note perfect pastiche of prime exploitation!

    by KillaKane

    Wanna hear that retro Carpenter style score! Looking forward to this DB, looks like a whole lot of dumb fun.

  • Jan. 23, 2007, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Kurt Russell

    by Cult Exiter

    is always O.K. -- in a cup-of-coffee-at-a-gas-station way. Yo, Kurt!

  • Jan. 23, 2007, 1:27 p.m. CST

    A lot of them WEREN'T bad, though many were.

    by Harry Weinstein

    They were dismissed without consideration by critics of the time, and many of this time as well, but many of the so-called "grindhouse" films were quite good. I'll use two examples, Lau Kar-leung's SHAOLIN CHALLENGES NINJA (HEROES OF THE EAST) and Dario Argento's THE HATCHET MURDERS (DEEP RED). A kung-fu movie and a splattery Italian thriller. Even in its English-dubbed version, SHAOLIN CHALLENGES NINJA was innovative in its lack of killing - not a single person's life is taken in the film. The real victory is not in the destruction of one's enemy, but in the discovery of a middle ground of peaceful co-existence and appreciation of concepts and ideas that might differ from one's own. SHAOLIN CHALLENGES NINJA placed great emphasis on understanding foreign cultures as a pathway to peace - messages ironically lost on critics dismissing it as more chop-socky crap from Hong Kong, unworthy of any further analysis. Pity, as they missed out on a film of actual substance and ideas, made with skill and humor and full of excellent performances, martial and otherwise. And DEEP RED is a film whose influence is still felt to this day - at the time, though, it was just grindhouse fodder, cut, retitled, and generally not given the slightest respect. These films, if not representative of the majority of grindhouse titles, are not anomalous either. There were many great films that were and still are dismissed as crap, simply because they didn't meet someone's preconcieved notions of what a "good" film ought to be. A good film to me is one that accomplishes what it sets out to do. If a film sets out to be entertaining in a way that is totally contemptuous of reality, and does so, then it is good, regardless of what people walking around with sticks up their asses have to say about it. In modern terms, HEARTBREAKERS sets out to be funny, and fails miserably - it is not at all a good film, it's a piss-poor watered-down sexploitation piece without the audacity to even get its tits out, if you will. It is a film by and for cowards. TRANSPORTER 2 aims to smack you in the dome with crazy, over the top action well beyond the bounds of reality, and succeeds admirably. To me, that makes for a good film.

  • Jan. 23, 2007, 2:05 p.m. CST

    come on tarantino

    by StandUp

    go back to making crime movies! i mean those are your best stuff. i don't want to see your exploitation. i want bad ass criminals.

  • Jan. 23, 2007, 2:39 p.m. CST

    Zarles, best impression i've ver seen here...

    by Talkbacker with no name

    of a talkbacker. That summed him up perfectly! hehe

  • Jan. 23, 2007, 3:07 p.m. CST

    Re: Harry Weinstein

    by Supernatural_Canary

    Well, first, I want to congratulate you on what I think is a very cogent argument in favor of “Grindhouse” cinema. Though I didn’t say it in my first post, in the final analysis, it really comes down to what a person prefers to see in the theater. Personally, I liked a lot of the exploitation and Grindhouse cinema of the 70’s, but when I watch them now, they seems like a force of their time, acted and shot and edited in ways that were dictated by the financing available and molded by the cultural legacy of the 50’s, 60’s, and 70’s. To my tastes, at least, they don’t really hold up. I don’t find them particularly watchable anymore. <p> Perhaps that’s the source of the ambivalence (and disconnect) I’m feeling now regarding these films. At some level I’ve been feeling the same way about THE GOOD GERMAN, a movie shot in the same manner and with the same equipment that was used in 1940’s era Hollywood. As an exercise, it has its merits, and many of the noir films of the time were works of art. <p> I guess what I’m not able to appreciate with this Grindhouse project is that QT and RR are not bringing the Grindhouse films into the 21st century, they are dragging the 21st century back to the era of the Grindhouse picture. Whereas the first film you describe (shamefully, I have not seen these specific films) deals with themes that could be found in any great story, no doubt the budget determined its look and feel. The story sounds as if it transcends its budgetary limitations. <p> But from what I’ve read and from what I understand about the QT and RR project, they aren’t making Grindhouse movies for our era, an era informed by the 80’s 90’s and the first part of the new century, they’re making copies of Grindhouse films from a past era. They’re emulating the aesthetic and storytelling techniques from a period of filmmaking without considering the fact that those movies were shaped by the times in which they were made. Why not make Grindhouse pictures that reflect the times we live in now, both aesthetically and thematically? I just don’t get it. (I remember someone on another TB saying that in many ways THE DEVIL’S REJECTS is a modern Grindhouse film, and I think there’s some truth in that assessment.) <p> And maybe that’s what my real problem is: Its not the kind of movies QT and RR are making, but the fact that, ultimately, this will be yet another exercise in style over substance, another example of using the techniques of a different era of cinematic history not to inform contemporary cinema, but to exploit past aesthetic in lieu of creating a new aesthetic. Which is why, despite being moderately entertained while sitting in the theater watching the KILL BILL movies, I’ve come to detest them. I guess I just can’t live on style alone. <p> Unfortunately, I think QT is in serious danger of becoming a parody of himself. His first two films were brilliant; you’ll get no arguments from me there. And apparently I’m one of the few people who actually thinks JACKIE BROWN was a pretty good film too. It was the last movie in which QT tried to tell a story, not just present a series of episodic clichés cobbled together from 30 years worth of world cinema (KILL BILL). But if he doesn’t stop wearing his “homage-to-films” on his sleeve, the world of cinema, which is dynamic and constantly changing (and yes, being informed by what came before without descending into haplessly derivative schlock), then I fear he’s going to get left behind, and someday people on this TB are not going to be saying “oooh, hey, can’t wait for the new QT movie,” but rather “aw damn, yet another Tarantino crapfest.”

  • Jan. 23, 2007, 3:32 p.m. CST

    Supernatural, a point of view well written

    by Talkbacker with no name

    but best to reserve final judgement until you have seen the films. hell you might even love them, bud. <p>Bit harsh on QT and RR in my opinion. They are doing what all film makers should which is - to make films for themselves about things that mean something to them. If people dig them it's a bonus. At least they are being true to themselves unlike a lot of hacks out there I could mention.

  • Jan. 23, 2007, 4:27 p.m. CST

    I like to see a leg of that... caliber.

    by Orionsangels

    By "caliber," of course, I refer to both the size of the gun barrel and the high quality of it's character... Two meanings... caliber... it's a homonym... Forget it.

  • Jan. 23, 2007, 4:28 p.m. CST

    I still don't understand that machine gun leg...

    by El Scorcho

    So, she has a gun for a leg. Stupid? Check. Nonsensical? Yep. Funny? Not especially.

  • Jan. 23, 2007, 5:03 p.m. CST

    Talkbacker with no name

    by Supernatural_Canary

    You're 100% right about reserving judgement... that's a deficiency of my character. I just love movies so darn much that I get a bit worked up. <p> And you're point about being too harsh on QT and RR may also be valid. I certainly don't mean to be dismissive of them. I appreciate the fact that they are making movies that appeal to them, popular opinion be damned (the worst kind of opinion, to be sure). <p> In the end, though, I do stand by my assessment of RR. While I can appreciate what he does, I guess I don't really appreciate his final product. <p> QT on the other hand could be a cinematic prophet. I guess I just feel that after JACKIE BROWN, he started speaking with a voice other than his own, or, at least, he seemed to be using his directorial style to tell a story that didn't have a particularly meaningful function other than highlighting his directorial style. And to me, that's not a reason to make a movie, or for me to watch one. <p> Alas, I will be seeing these movies, and hoping beyond hope, it appears (coming full circle back to my deficiency of character), that I'll see something I like.

  • Jan. 24, 2007, 1:32 a.m. CST

    as far as qt remaining where he's at

    by Westonian

    I think Tarantino is too talented. There is no way he will not continue to be successful. We will always be here giddily anticipating his next film. As long as his old films are there to remind us what he's capable of...we will always give him the chance of regaining that past glory...no matter how much crap he shoves at us. And in my opinion nothing he has done has been anything near crap.

  • Jan. 24, 2007, 2:48 a.m. CST

    Supernatural_Canary

    by Talkbacker with no name

    I agree when it comes to RR. I always felt a real rushed feeling from his movies (although I do love Desperado and From Dusk till Dawn). These films look like a lot of fun and is certainly something different for both their cv's. <p>...isn't this the bit where we both think we are right and fight on here til we are red in the face with insults? This conversation is going all too well it's disturbing hehe

  • Jan. 24, 2007, 7:02 a.m. CST

    Someone should do an "homage" to Planet of Dinosaurs

    by Mattapooh

    Easily the best worst flick of all time. Check it out on the IMDB if you don't remember it.

  • Jan. 24, 2007, 9:04 a.m. CST

    Talkbacker with no name

    by Supernatural_Canary

    Yeah, you know, we did kinda break AICN TB rules by handling ourselves with civility. I'll fix that right quick: <p> I'm right and your wrong... uh... and, uh... your momma's so (fill in the blank) when she (fill in the blank) she's actually (fill in the blank). <p> Ahhhh. I believe that fulfills the rudeness mandate. <p> Now, as far as DESPERADO and FROM DUSK TILL DAWN, you've named his two best films. And you know, it's funny, because when I saw them I really liked them a lot. It was only on multiple viewings that they started to diminish in quality for me. <p> Thing is though, a lot of movies are like that, so maybe it's a little unfair of me to come down so hard on RR. I guess the massive disappointment I felt after ONCE UPON A TIME IN MEXICO and SIN CITY have soured my perspective on, and therefor my expectations of, his films. But hey, I still go to them, so what the hell am I complaining about?

  • Jan. 24, 2007, 12:26 p.m. CST

    So bad, its good

    by Spandau Belly

    You either get it or you don't. Its not just enjoying a movie that is bad, its a movie that is spectacularly awful. Not even James Bond wants to be cheesy anymore. I agree that there are lots of lousy films in the cinemas these days, but few actually serve up the cheese on a gold plate. So-bad-its-good are movies that are enjoyed as unintentional comedies and best viewed in large drunk groups. For example: The Quick and the Dead, Armageddon, Face/Off<br><br>I don't think its wrong to make some level of judgement on films before seeing them. Films are pretty accurately marketted these days. I actually find that the packaging at video stores has such distinct style guidance for each genre that I know what kind of movie something is even if I've never heard of it. So saying that you don't want to see something based on general dislike of the genre or style is not unfair. I really don't think "Death Proof" will appeal to people who only like movies like "Just My Luck", "From Justin to Kelly" and "Dirty Dancing". I mean I've made up my mind to never see "Babel" because I hate movies about a bunch of loosely connected tragedies (ie Magnolia, Short Cuts, Crash all sucked to me). Will I go out and say "Babel" is a terrible movie? No, because I haven't seen it, but I feel fine expressing disintrest in it specifically and dislike for this type of film as a whole.

  • Jan. 24, 2007, 12:33 p.m. CST

    Sorry...

    by Zarles

    ...but I think that El Mariachi and Desperado are both really overrated. Once Upon A Time in Mexico was a disaster in its own right, but every film geek I've ever met raves on and on about the first two, but me... I just don't get it. El Mariachi was cool because it was a tiny-budgeted indie movie that made a lot of noise, but was it the best movie? Personally, I don't think so. I give RR a lot of respect for the things he's done, but he can miss the mark just like anyone else. For me, his best movie is Sin City by a long shot. That thing blew my damned head off, and it continues to do so every single time I see it.

  • Jan. 24, 2007, 2 p.m. CST

    Supernatural_Canary

    by Talkbacker with no name

    I hear ya about ONCE UPON A TIME IN MEXICO, brother. It really is...hold on one sec... <P>...sorry just reading Spandau Belly's mad rant...unintentional comedies...The Quick and the Dead!? How fucking dare you, Spandau Belly! That's a Rami masterpiece!...oh you hate movies like Magnolia and Short Cuts. I see, you just have bad taste... <p>Sorry Supernatural. where was I?

  • Jan. 24, 2007, 2:35 p.m. CST

    Talkbacker with no name

    by Supernatural_Canary

    Spandau's comments about MAGNOLIA and SHORT CUTS speaks to what I said about it all being a matter of personal taste, what someone wants to see in the theater. For me, personally, I think MAGNOLIA is an American masterpiece. I also happened to really love BABEL. But I also understand why those kind of movies don't appeal to some people. <p> I also happen to love THE QUICK AND THE DEAD, though I'll readily admit it's a big slice of Western comic book cheese. But everyone is so great in it and it is so fun! I read once that Sam Raimi was sort of depressed afterwards because he didn't set out to make a film that had that "Raimi look and feel," but that he had been immersed in his particular style for so long that he couldn't break free of it when making the movie. And then he did A SIMPLE PLAN, and the rest is history.

  • Jan. 24, 2007, 3:18 p.m. CST

    Supernatural_Canary

    by Talkbacker with no name

    Hmmm never knew that about Rami and TQATD. That's interesting stuff! I always wondered about production on that one and how much control Stone had over it all.

  • Jan. 24, 2007, 6:17 p.m. CST

    You don't find the Quick and the Dead funny?

    by Spandau Belly

    I mean all those gun-fighter with cheesy gimmicks like the Indian who's been shot a million times and won't die, or that dude from Millenium with all the Aces all over him? Those were hilarious characters! And Sharon Stone hooking up with Leo D, he looked 11, that was awesome! The goofy part at the end where Russel Crowe finally says fuck this life of peace and starts doing kung-fu with shotguns. Or how when Sharon Stone gets really pissed at the end and shoots Hackman her bullets are more powerful cuz she's pissed and so he does a backflip when the bullet hits him?<br><br>How is that movie anything but funny? Really funny.<br><br>And yeah, if hating Magnolia and all things Robert Altman means I've got bad taste, then yeah, I've got terrible taste. Fuck Magnolia. Respect the cock.

  • Jan. 24, 2007, 8:01 p.m. CST

    I find it very funny

    by Talkbacker with no name

    just not unintentional :) don't worry, bud, i was only hacking on ya. I took offence at the amazing TQATD being put in the same arena as the god awful Armageddon.

  • Jan. 25, 2007, 10:43 a.m. CST

    I also find Armageddon very funny

    by Spandau Belly

    Any movie that refers to Owen Wilson as a "brilliant geoligist" with a straight face is worth watching. Especially when it involves training oil rig guys as cosmonauts instead of the other way around.<br><br>The best is having Charlton Heston give us that little history lesson at the begining to give the movie "scientific credibility" about the possibility of giant asteroids hitting earth. I'll bet Al Gore regrets passing on that gig.