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The CW: No Final Arc For VERONICA MARS!!
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“Veronica Mars” returns with new episodes on Tuesday, but following February sweeps will disappear again for eight weeks, to be replaced by the reality series "Pussycat Dolls Present: The Search for the Next Doll."
When “Mars” returns with its final five episodes, there apparently will be no final multiepisode story-arc to end its first season on the CW. From USA Today:
Veronica Mars, which now airs in [the Pussycat Dolls] spot, will take a breather then return for five non-serialized episodes — a first for that series — to finish out the season.
To anticipate the question, there is not yet word on whether “Mars” will get a fourth season. The CW, like all the other broadcast networks, announces its fall slate in mid-May.
In other CW news announced at the netlet’s Television Critics Association presentation:
* “7th Heaven” does not look likely to be renewed for another season.
* Unlike fellow UPN immigrant “Mars,” “Everybody Hates Chris” just got a 22-episode order for next season.
* “Hidden Palms,” the new series from “Dawson’s Creek” mastermind Kevin Williamson, may get bumped from midseason to summer.
* “America’s Top Model” returns on Feb. 28.
* The netlet is developing a beauty-contest reality series and a family drama that would be set and filmed in South Africa.
Read more of The CW’s plans here.
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I mean honestly. This is one of the best shows on TV. Hands down.
I'll take this over Grey's Anatomy any day of the week. -
I hope.
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I really want a fourth season, it's one of the best shows on TV. Come on CW, please keep it on the air!
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How can they have 5 eps with no arc? So VM will turn into Law & Order...solving cases in 60 minutes? please
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Their legion is so numerous, they can't all fit in the same shot and only two of them actually fucking sing. All the rest are the kind of butterfaces that'd give you a handjob for the price of two table dances.
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Replacing VM with yet ANOTHER reality show. I absolutey HATE reality shows. I literally hate them. I'll never watch them.
Give me a solid scripted show anyday and VM is one of the best we have. This better stay. The CW need not turn into UPN 2. Urban reality shows for all! -
Shows usually don't make the transition from the high school years to the college years successfully, and Veronica Mars has been no exception. The sadness and poignancy of being an outcast in high school is impossible to recreate in college because no one knows or cares who you are in college. High school is forced on us all. College is a voluntary experience. High school is about physical and emotional maturation. College is about getting a grip on the future. High school is a small enclosed social vacuum, a darwinian experiment, college is a huge sprawling labyrinth with many doors and passages and countless opportunities. The angst of high school does not translate to the angst of college which is a separate angst of extreme mental struggle and exhaustion. Even the great BtVS did not make the cut to college. The Buffy college years sucked like a vampire with the only good stuff being outside the college experience, ie the neutered Spike, etc. IMHO, Buffy did not hit her stride again until she dropped out of college and was relegated to a lower class existence at the hamburger place. Now that was poignant. So, I think Veronica should do the same, drop out of college and work cases part time while supporting herself as a stripper.
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... don't give s04 orders for VM & BSG, I'm gonna get down there and get all stabby on their retarded asses.
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...but as long as its on the air, I'll be happy. They better renew VM for another season.
But yes, this is a bunch of shit. They're going to replace VM with the pussycat dolls?! Come on. -
I DON'T want it renewed. I love this show a huge amount, but if Thomas has decided to go in this non-arc direction, and he's stated that season four will be ALL standalones, then maybe I don't want it on the air. The show was great because of those huge payoffs at the end of the season, and I feel that with relatively "unimportant" episodes maing up a season, the quality will drop, like an Alias Season 4 type thing, which I do not want to happen. This is so disappointing especially since Thomas had stated that Mac and Wallace would be be the main people in the third arc this season. It's a sad thing that so many people's artistic visions need to be compromised for ratings. I suppose if anyone could make singular stories work, it'd be Thomas, but what's the fucking point now? You can only watch so many episodes about a musician getting his guitar stolen, an unfaithful spouse, the team cheerleader being framed by the homecoming queen until you stop caring. I need more huge reveals, that's why I gave this show a chance.
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erm, no, wait, that came out a bit wrong. damn you aicn for not having "edit" button, damn you to hell!!1
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People did we learn NOTHING from the Spidey 3 spoiler thread.
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Jan 20, 2007 10:06:45 AM CST
Honestly, a neutered VM and a cancelled S60 next year..
by danielkurland
would upset me so much. These are the dramas I look forward to. Sure, there's BSG, and 24, and Lost (which clearly isn't going anywhere), but I generate a special amount of excitement for these shows.
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Can some start of letter writing campaign be started to Rob Thomas to tell him to do story arcs for season four, or a lot of his FANS are going to be very disappointed?
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Damn me for knowing that...
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That's how Borat introduced the PCD at the MTV Europe Awards. I laughed.
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And you all know it. Don't renew it.
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YOU SUCK, MICHAEL BAY!
Though this season has been a bit lacklustre, I think it's because of the whole CW "not sure about this new network" thing. This show is miles better than Smallville. -
Fuck that shit! Fuck you CW!
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http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/articles/content/a12755/
Honestly, after reading this, I'm not AS pessimistic towards the standalone idea, and a 4th season of pure standalones may not happen, depending on how these final five are received. Also, in retrospect, Angel season 5 was more or less all standalones, and they worked really well, so you never know....Most interesting tidbit: Michael Cera, if he didn't have scheduling conflicts would have played the "Moe" character, and therefore been one of the rapists! -
please check out that interview, it enlightens you to what Thomas was trying to achieving, justifications for things and such, and may somewhat sway you. Then again, it may not, but it's always nice to hear both sides.
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no multi-episode arc is going to make the last episodes feel pretty anti-climactic, so I hope next season returns to the season-long arc format. Then again, I just hope they get a next season. Are they seriously going to replace VM with "Find the Next Pussycat Doll" with a straight face?!?
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They missed a golden opportunity in naming the new show.
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The final episode of last season was awesome, it wrapped up this shows great story arc. That is what makes this show so amazing. Reality TV is killing a great show, again. The CW is shooting itself in the foot. It is called loyalty, this show has a loyal following. This is the kind of show that will help the station stay afloat. I HATE STUPIDITY!!!
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The fact that the show is being bumped for another edition of some reality show nightmare, (honestly, I wasn't aware of the first incarnation's existence) really tells you all you need to know about the future of things at the CW. I love VM, but honestly...I'm with DK's original reaction. Maybe it should just die rather than be compromised and ultimately just cancelled anyway. The whole thing just makes me ill.
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It's not as good as Rock's Stand Up, but it's defintely a funny show!
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Seriously!
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So just our luck TALENTLESS WHORES will replace a Talented Witty Well Done Drama. Fuck you CW, fuck you up your stupid asses.
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Jimmy Iovine!!!!!!
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lines. There was an article about all this in the irish times weekend magazine called the ticket. Very good it is too.
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Considering the way they fucked up the final twist to season two with Beaver ending up being the mostache twirling villan. Which in my opinion came out of nowhere. I'm looking forward to seeing the new style.
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gay ass show about a female reporter....and a bunch of dudes watch it!! i still just do not get it.
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This pisses me off.
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will also win from challenges guest-starring roles on VM? Watch it happen. They did it with ANTM.
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Watch. Over the next few seasons, the CW will become dominated with reality programs and forget what has come before. RIP WB.
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She's not a reporter dip shit.
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Like most American viewers, my attention span is ridiculously low. Obviously, the search for the next Pussycat doll will be a reality show that continues from week to week. That sounds like far too complicated and taxing an idea. Could we please just have stand-alone episodes on the Pussycat Doll show, as well? I mean, really, concentrating on anything more than, like, five minutes is just really, like, hard. It's just like... wait a minute, what was I just talking about?
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Every god damn show I like gets cancelled, why can't they just leave it alone.... yes yes, I know, it's all about fucking money but someone has to care about how retarded people who watch these reality shows become. Stupid soulless network executives. May they all rot in hell.
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There are only 4 shows on tv I bother watching and this is one of them!
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"Meanwhile, Fox has given the green light to Them, a sci-fi drama pilot based on the graphic novel, and NBC has handed out cast-contingent orders to two comedies."
http://tinyurl.com/3arunj
Sci-Fi series on Fox? It's gonna be canceled after 4 episodes. -
...wish the networks weren't run by clueless idiots.
I just discovered VM before season 3 started. I watched the first 2 seasons DVDs and was hooked. This sucks.
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its silly.
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You're absolutely right. A serious clip would have done wonders. The typical reaction when people hear "Battlestar Galactica" is they bring up the cheezy 70s show and think this one is more of the same.
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Didn't they like cancel that months ago?
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That's why Letterman's audience didn't know what the frakking hell she does. They should have shown a clip, maybe some people might have thought 'hey, I'll watch that'. The reason I got into Galactica was THIS SITE, believe it or not. I thought the show was going to suck harder than your mom but the praise it was getting here made me tune in and fuck me was that a good decision. Lots of people will think it's just a sucky sci-fi show that nerds watch with their penis in their hand.
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no, it really wasn't.
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What's the plan for the other netlet wannabe My Network TV? Are they ever gonna program a show people actually wanna watch?
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It's just an overrated, under performing show. It won't be missed, like Arrested development, except by forum critic wanna-bes.
T.H. From Galactica however -Tonguelous!!! -
The CW is fucking nuts. Last time I looked (which admittedly was a while ago) Mars was enjoying improved ratings and while most everything else was bombing on the network. So why they hell are they cutting it and letting other shit get full orders?
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that kind of sucks. It's supposedly a good show and it deserves to be treated better than to be replaced by "Pussycat dolls: search for the next doll". Good grief. I have had several of my favorite shows screwed over (WAY too many to count), so Mars fans, I feel your pain.
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Jan 20, 2007 11:22:19 PM CST
One thing I will say is that BSG cant end soon enough.
by cotton mcknight
What a piece of crap show that is. I hate it, and I seriously dislike anyone that watches it. Or maybe I just hate the people on trekweb.com and BSG fans are "normal". I'm not counting on it, though.
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Only the ending of Angel season 5 had a true arc, and at that point they knew they were being cancelled, so they could do what they wanted. Sure, the first few are linked by the concept of Spike wanting to be corporeal/figuring out what to do with Wolfram and Hart, but come on, random necromancer, submarine vampires, Life of the Party....80 percent standalone here.
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The subsequent two seasons of this show have demonstrated quite painfully that the great first season was an aberration. Cancel it already, CW -- Bell has been phoning in her performance since the beginning of S2, and the stupid storylines have shown that Thomas is bored with it. Let it die.
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as you say, the initial one (5.1 to 5.4: figuring out W&H, spike's disappearances) and the illiyra one (5.14-5.22). i grant you that 5.5 to 5.13 were largely standalones but, by my admittedly bizarro maths, 9 standalones in a 21 ep season falls somewhere short of 'entirely'.
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I think the season was deliberately not as tightly tied together as Season 4 but it was clearly setting up the major figures who were going to be the members of the Black Thorn all through it, like the Arch Duke and Izzy for example. I'm guessing the notice of the cancellation forced them to accelerate the last half of the season.
Maybe a good comparison could be the X-Files, a lot of the episodes you could follow with just knowing Mulder's the believer and Scully was the sceptic but small bits of information that really turned out to be big in the overall scheme of things appeared in a lot of the episodes, largely self contained or not. I thought Angel Season 5 was like that a bit. -
I'd watch it if there was a S4, but at the same time, I wouldn't be too busted up if it didn't come back. I like the show, but the constant shuffling of the cast and changing themes takes away from it for me. Whether that's the fault of the network or Rob Thomas is irrelevant. I'd rather watch a show that is consistent and knows what it wants to be and where it wants to go, rather than always trying to gain some sort of footing it will never achieve (given the tastes of the TV mass audience that -will- watch crap like the Dolls show and American Idol).
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I'm with a lot of other talkbackers.
I've loved this show since episode one and already this season has slipped a bit. What with every male character becoming kind of a pussy. Weevil a freaking janitor?, Logan has been a whiny bitch all season so far (how about that breakup seen. EMOTE MUCH)..etc... Now to take away the coolest part of the show, the season long mysteries just doesn't seem right. Id prefer they wrap a few things up with the final eps and let it die gracefully. Ive only written maybe 3 talkbacks ever but I thought this warranted one. Hopefully this is my chance to say goodbye to one of my personnel favorite shows of all time. -
HBO is in serious talks to bring it over there. Kirsten Bell stays, but most of the ancillary characters go. In the first new arc, she moves out of Daddy's house and in with a new bisexual, nymphomaniac roomate played by either Michelle Trachtenberg or Sarah Michelle Gellar. Veronica desides the detective racket is silly, and takes a job as a stripper to make ends meet, and hooks on the side for extra cash. She is brought back into the detective game to find out which one of the 65 guys whe double dipped at a bachelor party knocked her up.
Best. Series. Ever. (After my idea for a re-re-imagining of BSG starring Laser Cats) -
niiiice. ^^
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C'mon CW, free that gem of a UPN show that was cancelled early in its life... *Shasta McNasty*. If you can't bother to release it on DVD, place it in the iTunes Store. Now, if only some clod over at Comcast/G4 could evolve some brains to do the same with *Unscrewed with Martin Sargent*...
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I think season five of Angel is a great example of how a good fourth season of Veronica Mars could be. A bunch of more-or-less standalone episodes that, in the end, turn out to be more connected than they seemed at first. Veronica Mars could easily follow this sort of template and be a great, entertaining season. Maybe a bunch of seemingly unrelated crimes that turn out to be done my an underground crime ring or something. You get the payoff of a big reveal at the end of the season, but you don't get confused if you come into the middle of the season.
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I loved that show and had watched it since the premier, but they cancelled it to bring back 7th heaven...which is now getting cancelled AGAIN! Last year between the cancellation of Everwood, Invasion, and killing off Tony, Michelle, Palmer and Edgar I almost did away with TV altogether. Sorry to all the VM fans. I don't watch it, but I feel your pain.
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They're fundamentally altering the show FOR THE WORSE in order to get ratings. That's selling out.
I'd rather see the show end on a high note (which it won't, thanks to this ridiculously lame 5 standalone ep ending that season 3 will have.
Oh, and fuck all those who say "I'll take Veronica Mars anyway I can get it". Fuck that, the veronica mars you're going to "get" next year is going to be a vegetable version of it's former self. Sure, it'll look the same, but what we loved about it will be gone. -
I had only just got into this show. I fucking hate Hollywood. How could shows like VM and BSG be on the bubble??? Rome's going. Deadwood's gone. Sopranos...well just as well I suppose. Lost turns awful. What the hell else is left? Thank god for Heroes and Dexter, I'll need something to watch.
I guess I never really had time to stop and analyze this show as I've watched it straight through (couple eps a night) with no real breaks. Season 3 is a bit of a let down, but it's still entertaining and I think there's still hope for it yet. But I've never known a show to abandon the arc format and not suck. There is simply no such thing. And if the creator is behind that decision, then I'd say that he's pulling a Milch on his own show.
Angel S5 might have had a lot of standalones, but people didn't love it for those eps as much as they did for the end arc. Illyria and Wesley made that season what it was.
Still I hope they keep the show on for at least one more season. And enough with the freakin' roofies and rape already. Get a decent storyline for Weevil or leave him off the show. Or not. Maybe it is best they cancel it, I just don't want to be without anything to watch. It's bad enough out there.
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