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"Crusade": The Great Despair

Glen here...

...with some news I have struggled and struggled to avoid reporting.

But I made promises.

Promises to myself that I would let Coaxial readers know whenever I found out anything about the Babylon 5 spin-off Crusade - and its great migration away from TNT (where the series is currently in a production freeze). Promises to the readers of this page that I would tell them whenever I heard anything about the possible fate of the series - as long as I believed it to be solid.

So let's roll back the clock...

LAST WEEK: I started getting multiple hints that the Sci Fi Channel (the network towards which Crusade was believed to be headed), Warner Bros. (the company who...for all intents and purposes...owns Crusade), and Babylonian Productions (the company which handles the day-to-day development and operation of Crusade) were unable to come to an economic agreement which would allow the series to move from one network to another.

LAST NIGHT: I received a two separate message indicating Crusade will not be resurrected. Both messages were from names who would be well known in the Babylon universe (not JMS). One message simply read: "Crusade is dead."

While that matched-up with pretty much everything I'd heard about an inability to strike a mutually agreeable arrangement to continue work on the series, I still sat on the information until further indication came about. But then:

THIS MORNING, another message came in.

This message was sent by CAPPO. Cappo cited a message from another well known Babylon 5 source (when I call them "well known" - I'm suggesting they are names fans of the show would immediately recognize). The source in Cappo's message indicated that the cast of Crusade had been "released from their contracts".

SO: we now have three "name value" sources who are indicating Crusade is not to be. I don't know how publicly vocal these sources are going to be over the next few days, and I'll be damned if I'm going to assume the responsibility for exposing them here. If they "come out" on their own volition, more power to them.

HOWEVER - the message sent in this morning by Cappo appears to be circulating around the Internet to some degree. This was my primary and motivation for moving forward with posting this news. I wanted to tell the world that...should you see the message about Crusade's demise buzzing around in in cyberspace...there's likely a lot of truth to it.

Finally - can anything be done? It appears Babylon 5 fans have already done as much as they can by writing & messaging & calling the Sci Fi Channel in support of Crusade. When all was said and done, it seems the economic beast simply could not be conquered.

I know that...over the last few weeks...a few fans have messaged B5 and Crusade overlord J. Michael Straczynski, asking him if some sort of campaign would be useful. He apparently felt that the fans had already done what needed to be done, refused the offer, and thanked them very graciously for their offers of support.

Needless to say: the ball is in the court of The Powers That Be now. All of this information will need to be pointedly and officially confirmed by Mr. Straczynski,. Mr. Copeland, TNT, et. all. There was periphery indication that an official statement about the series' fate may arrive as soon as next week, perhaps considerably sooner.

Please understand, good readers, I AM NOT POSTING THIS INFORMATION TO BE IRRESPONSIBLE OR INFLAMMATORY. I've waited as long as I could, and heard the same information too many times not to say something about it at this point. I'm trying to do the job I said I would do - and feel my efforts over the past few months have more than demonstrated my sincerity towards...and affection for...the project in general.

I don't like saying any of this. Frankly, it makes me sick to the stomach. But sometimes that's part of the gig...


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  • Feb. 26, 1999, 9:03 a.m. CST

    CRUSADE you will be missed

    by mckracken

    :~O( damn this news sucks....sucks sucks sucks.....any plans on the B5 theatrical movie? I'm first but who cares JMS you're the best, your show was better than Star Trek and now its dead. :~O( damn this bites. :O( Mck

  • Feb. 26, 1999, 9:10 a.m. CST

    sick...

    by BlackOmega1

    I think I will leave work early today, go home, turn the TV to TNT and THROW A BRICK THROUGH IT! (violence is not an answer to any problem, but somehow I think it will make me feel better...)

  • Feb. 26, 1999, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Crusade

    by Chris Knight

    First time I've posted to Coaxial. Wish it could have been a praise of something, but instead I feel compelled to say that this is extremely disappointing news. We got Babylon 5, the whole run. JMS taught us to explore our identity and beliefs and values... to know who we are and what we want. No other show EVER has affected me like B5 did. Now JMS was going to take us on another ride in territory both comfortingly familiar and fantastically unknown. To show us his universe, in scope and breadth that he had only been able to tantinlizingly hint at during B5's run. I wanted to <B>see</B> those two-mile high towers, the ancient cyclopean cities of the First Ones, to be taken to the Rim itself and all the dark places in between. Now, alas at least for the time being, it's not going to be. As a Christian, I refrain from displaying anger towards my fellow man. But as a human being, I say thusly to the faceless Powers That Be... Damn you!

  • Feb. 26, 1999, 9:11 a.m. CST

    Sci-Fi Channel

    by SithLord

    For God's sake I hope it doesn't go to the Sci-fi channel. No matter how good it is they will probably cancel it and replace it with some shit show that ran 5 episodes on another network and was cancelled. Look what they did to MST3K. I do hope it finds a way to go on. I liked Bab 5 and would like to see where they go from that series.

  • Feb. 26, 1999, 9:44 a.m. CST

    Raise the target level

    by LeeW

    If there is any chance that it could be continued, it's not going to be with the Head of Programming . If you're sending a letter in, copy it to the head honchos at Sci-Fi/USA. Barry Diller owns the whole thing and Barry Baker has recently been brought on as President and CEO of USA Networks. If you're writing to TNT, copying Ted Turner might be in order. Unfortunately, the bottom line seems to be what the Network and Programming executives think will do well, not if it is of better quality or not. As much as we might think he should be able to, Joe doesn't have the clout to go to a network and not have them try to add their "creative input" into a show. At least there will be some episodes to watch when TNT burns them off, likely running them right after Mortal Kombat. The other TNT Sci-Fi show Witchblade will probably never get made.

  • Feb. 26, 1999, 9:48 a.m. CST

    SOB! But, Grateful For What We've Had...

    by Anakin Rocks

    Hi All, Well this is really really TERRIBLE NEWS. I am TRYING to be greatful for all that I got from B5 and focus on that, but it is hard... In Valen's Name, JOHN "What is built endures and what is loved endures and Babylon 5... Babylon 5 endures..."

  • Feb. 26, 1999, 9:53 a.m. CST

    Any details on why this all happened?

    by Rather B. Skiing

    Bummer. Glen, have you heard TNT

  • Feb. 26, 1999, 9:53 a.m. CST

    B5, Crusade and the Sci Fi Channel

    by JimPierce

    I still accept the blessing that without TNT, we'd never have seen B5 run to it's conclusion. As for Crusade/Sci Fi, I've found that if Sci Fi channel can't pick up a show for about twenty bucks (read old, brief, or crappy), they won't run it. With all the money USA has, they refuse to spend it on quality content...sure, that's how they made the money, buy fulfilling America's fix for crap television, but c'mon...a little quality wouldn't kill them. Their excuse for not picking up Fantasy Island (during my crusade to find FI a home) was that they couldn't afford it... coughs *bullshit* No, Sci-Fi won't be the home of any quality shows as long as it belongs to USA.

  • Feb. 26, 1999, 9:58 a.m. CST

    Time on Target

    by Redleader

    This is my first time posting here. I am just beyond words. In a sea of crap floating around the airwaves, they had the chance to go with something new that would be intelligent,well researched (NASA JPL!), and entertaining. I don't get it. It reminds me of that Saturday Night Live skit about the canceling of Star Trek back in 1975 where John Belushi enters his final report. "Captains Log: Final Entry. And except for one television network we have found intelligent life everywhere else in the galaxy."

  • Feb. 26, 1999, 10:38 a.m. CST

    Say it ain't so Glen, Say it ain't so...

    by MovieMutt

    I'm glad I heard it from AICN instead of a friend (probably because I wouldn't backhand a computer screen for crushing my hopes). There is a thought lingering in my head that JMS has something up his sleeve, however it's unlikely. Oh well, there is always the books.

  • Feb. 26, 1999, 10:49 a.m. CST

    Shock

    by gfearon

    This is my first time contibuting to this forum but I felt I had to speak up. I cannot comprehend how any network could refuse a Scifi series with such fan support that is a guaranteed money-spinner, especially when compared to all the dross that is shown. Just because a network feels that without their ideas being included in a show they are convinced it will fail is ridiculous. Their shortsightness and stupidity amazes and disgusts me. I won't give up hope just yet that Crusade is lost forever, but realistically if this is the attitude of the networks then perhaps it's better that they don't get the rights to produce and show it.

  • Feb. 26, 1999, 11:03 a.m. CST

    Gary Cole will be missed

    by VitaminD

    I've just gotta say that Gary Cole is a tremendous actor, not like Olivier, but he's somebody who can truly inhabit a role. Midnight Caller, American Gothic, Mike Brady, and I just saw Office Space this weekend and he was hilarious as the boss. He is what I'll miss most about this show. This news just totally sucks.

  • Feb. 26, 1999, 11:31 a.m. CST

    scrud...

    by rayb

    Well, I'm bummed. The scifi channel might have had a chance of being something, now I've lost all interest in Cable Television, if not TV altogether... Oh well, it'll save me 30 bucks a month... Wake me up next millenia when another story teller as good as JMS is given a chance by someone with more integrity than greed. Best regards, Raymond

  • Feb. 26, 1999, 11:35 a.m. CST

    YES! I have been waiting for this

    by Lord_Darth

    Like I said earlier, this premise just sucked. If JMS decides to make another series more power to him but Crusade really never had a chance. Let JMS move along in a couple years maybe he might have another series worthy of his name not this crap.

  • Feb. 26, 1999, 11:37 a.m. CST

    sour grapes

    by EricBall

    I agree with some of the items mentioned above. I am glad that TNT financed season 5. Unfortunately, the telepath stories weren't as exciting as previous conflicts. JMS got lucky with B5. Minimal creative direction from outside and a hope that the entire story would see the light of day. This probably wouldn't have happened with Crusade. Instead, the studio would want to tinker, and the threat of cancelation would hang heavy; likely falling in mid story. Better to not begin than to tell only the beginning. Maybe someday the story will see the light of day. If it is a good story it will wait until it can be told, pehaps in a different format. (Books, comics, a virtual serial via the internet.)

  • Feb. 26, 1999, 11:39 a.m. CST

    Bugger.

    by Abel

    Sometimes, like Marcus, that is all you can say. But I would like to quote Neil Gaiman's 'Sandman' for the true extent of my frustration, "Pox and puke and scabs on it all! We came so damned close!" Quite clearly network executives never got into bed with a book by C.S Lewis or Lewis Carrol. Or H.G Wells or Arthur C Clarke or Larry Niven. Or Lovecraft or Gaiman or Moore or GK Chesterton or an infinite magical number of others. Greed and stupidity won over great storytelling. Which just goes to show that sometimes, the bad guy does win. Thank you for B5 JMS, it was my second fave fiction ever. (Sandman was my first.) At least you got your story out, but it still hurts when you think of the missed oppotunity.

  • Feb. 26, 1999, 11:46 a.m. CST

    The big question now is....

    by jeffty

    ...will the episodes that have been shot and completed ever see the light of day? At conventions, maybe? Are there contractual/legal considerations that would rule this out? I'm sorry thios has happened to CRUSADE, but I must admit I wasn't looking forward to it with quite the same excitement as I was after the B5 pilot. Another five-year hitch seemed like a long haul to these old bones. I'm going to look on the bright side -- I'll have an extra hour a week in reading time, and won't have to worry about finding space for a new set of archived videotapes!

  • Feb. 26, 1999, 11:48 a.m. CST

    DAMN!

    by Laura47

    DAMN IT! I am *so* disappointed.... We had five wonderful seasons (well, 4 wonderful, and we had a fifth) of Babylon Five, but I want MORE. The pain of loosing B5 was assuaged a bit by knowing that it would carry on, that we would have 5 more years in the Straczynski-verse. I was excited. I got into Babylon Five late, but this time I'd be there from Day One! Huzzah! And it looked so good- I adore Dureena already. I was excited when I heard TNT would carry the show for five years (was that ever true?)- we wouldn't have to worry about it being canceled! I was excited too see all the wonderful, beautiful places jms promised we'd see. And now this. And I find out at the same time that MST3K is done-for too, and yesterday I read a story from a very reliable source that Cupid is *not* coming back, the creator and stars have taken other jobs. Great. Just fragging wonderful. I'm going to go dress in black and rage against the universe. I'm not giving up hope, (hope is all we have), it could still be saved, but I am depressed -Laura 47

  • Feb. 26, 1999, 11:50 a.m. CST

    Demise of Crusade

    by Blacke Knight

    Could someone please find G'Kar? I think we need to hear his words now more than ever. I know I could sure use to hear his speech from "The Long Twilight Struggle" right about now. Indeed it is a dark day...

  • Feb. 26, 1999, 12:13 p.m. CST

    Whoa! Hold on...

    by Kmdr. Coenig

    With 8 episodes in the can, it can't be completely dead yet! First off, all the networks will be picking their fall series soon. Any network could pick up Crusade, invest a little to round out the 8 episodes to 13, and watch what happens. And these eps. will, I'm sure, be sold to the overseas markets. If it does well in those markets, production *could* be renewed (if it worked for friggin' *Baywatch*, it can work for Crusade!).

  • Feb. 26, 1999, 12:24 p.m. CST

    Disturbing Trend

    by Mojo2020

    Alas, this is yet another example of how television execs think (I believe Dave Letterman calls them all weasels, seems appropriate). It is strange how a show that has a BUILT IN fan base can have this much trouble, when so many crappy shows make it to the air (for only one season or so). Plus, I can sort of see where this talkback is heading (or will soon). Star Trek fans who hate B5 will post saying they are glad it is dead, then B5 fans will strike back...it will get ugly. Let's avoid that. Good sci-fi (although that is subjective, I should say visible sci-fi) helps us as a whole. I work sci-fi conventions as a dealer, and I've noticed the genre as a whole going downhill. Star Trek is not the popular beast it used to be, and the only thing that keeps it going is the other sci-fi shows (which right now consist of Buffy, Xena, and Hercules. None of which are my personal choices, but those are big at the cons too). So lets remember that whether you liked B5 or not, or Star Trek, or whatever, this is bad for all of us. On the plus side, did somebody say they have 8 eps in the can? This was (is) a huge investment, and if the show is dead, I would think they would try and find a way to get a return on this...and I somehow think they will eventually end up on the bootleg video tables at these cons...so many thing do..

  • Feb. 26, 1999, 12:25 p.m. CST

    Crusade's demise

    by fafhrd

    Personally I am saddened that the Powers that Be could not recognize the potential in Babylon 5, and realize that there IS a large number of true SF fans out there, who wanted a series that has a plot that involves every episode, and not a series that has guns blazing and alot of big chested girls like DS9 and Voyager have become. Babylon 5 was destined to be the successor to Roddenbery, and it was going to take the place of Star Trek, and pave the way for more quality Science Fiction tv shows. Maybe after The Phantom Menace come out will the Powers that Be suck ass to JMS, primarily because they *might* just figure out that there's ALOT of money to be made here. Who honestly thinks the fans want to see a SF series done by the network exectutives? We don't want it done by them, we want it done (right!) by guys like JMS and Cameron (who is SF, wheather H-Wood likes it or not) Well, now the Vorlons' will go mad, and send a Planetkiller after Hollywood and Warner Brothers. Sorry, I don't think that Sheridan wants to stop them this time...

  • Feb. 26, 1999, 12:27 p.m. CST

    How much can a fan take?

    by Platinum Dragon

    First, the B5 combat simulator gets tanked by corporate cost-cutting (http://www.firstones.com), now Crusade's search for a home fails. In one week. I'm working on the Job-like patience thing, since that may be the one thing to get me through this stupefying period. The fight to get B5 started, the war to keep it on the air through yearly cancellation threats, and the forlorn hope of a Crusade through the stars would make a great book on the machinations of the TV industry. I begin to understand the mindset of late 60's/early 70's Trek fans, back when ST was a revolutionary program that kept getting shafted, as B5 is today.

  • Feb. 26, 1999, 12:39 p.m. CST

    Turneround

    by Holmanz

    Even based on what little I know from reading the web sites, Turner's treatment of Crusade baffles me. It's as if they've had multiple changes of heart regarding Crusade in particular and JMS' work in general. If they had so little faith in Crusade, why not shoot a pilot in a more conventional way, rather than make such a serious financial commitment as to start production -- only to turnaround and implement changes after the show has already begun? By the way, this week Turner announced plans for a new channel, called Turner South, that will be regional in nature and will emphasize sports, wrestling, etc. Reportedly, it'll be more like the "Superstation" that TBS originally was. (I'm not making this up.) Maybe that shows where Turner's new target is. I find it very strange, however, that with Phantom Menace being all the rage this year, that no one wants to commit to an already established Sci-Fi franchise with the possibilities of Crusade.

  • Getting the entire B5 series was more than I had thought possible. The cancellation of Crusade just reaffirms my viewpoint of the industry -- crap floats. As for the ScFi Channel, what did you expect? Bought a Dish two years ago so I could get that channel, after viewing it I realized my mistake. It was replaced in my favorites list long ago and with the Comedy Network. At least there, the crap has personality (Hello Mr. Hanky).

  • Feb. 26, 1999, 12:50 p.m. CST

    Sigh

    by B5Fan

    Another first time poster, overcome with the need to vent with the rest of the crowd. Well, let's see. I'm already wearing black, and I WAS one of those disgruntled ST fans from the early 70s. But I will cling to the well-thought out post that said in effect, "with 8 shows already filmed, why doesn't some savy network round out to 13 and see what happens?" I'm keeping all digits crossed. If that fails, there's always video tapes of the original five years. And the books, the cons, and, for the time being at least, a few good bulletin boards. Fan

  • Feb. 26, 1999, 12:52 p.m. CST

    Sigh

    by B5Fan

    Another first time poster, overcome with the need to vent with the rest of the crowd. Well, let's see. I'm already wearing black, and I WAS one of those disgruntled ST fans from the early 70s. But I will cling to the well-thought out post that said in effect, "with 8 shows already filmed, why doesn't some savy network round out to 13 and see what happens?" I'm keeping all digits crossed. If that fails, there's always video tapes of the original five years. And the books, the cons, and, for the time being at least, a few good bulletin boards. Fan

  • Feb. 26, 1999, 1:14 p.m. CST

    what really happened?

    by Rather B. Skiing

    Are eight shows really finished? I was under the impression that only one episode was finished. The rest needed to have the special effects and music added and then edited together. The special effects at least are not cheap. Pure speculation here but my guess (and I

  • Feb. 26, 1999, 1:16 p.m. CST

    crusade

    by entilzha

    I choose not to belive or accept this until JMS adresses the issue personally. Babylon 5 was left for dead numerous times,only to be pulled back from the abyss at the last possible moment. I can only hope that Crusade will follow that fine tradition. Until I get verification I am in denial.

  • Feb. 26, 1999, 1:26 p.m. CST

    Farwell to Crusade?

    by Campe98

    Faith Manages. For the past few years since I've discovered B5, I kept hearing and reading those words. I was really looking forward to being a Crusade fan from the beginning of this run. Now, I'm suddenly just supposed to sit here and whine about it being dead. I really liked the premise, yeah, it seems like there was a lot of stuff from other Sci-fi, but that's okay. If it works, why not try to "catch lightning in a bottle again". Hey it worked for Star Trek: The Next Generation. I'm in awe right now. I figured something like this would happen. So, once again I'm brought back to faith manages. The truth of the matter is, in my own life, those two words have a lot of meaning, and I have a feeling that they will work for Crusade. We will see the Crusade soon in one form or another. It may be a while, but we will. All we can do now is know that faith does indeed manage. To the Isil'zha of Crusade. BTW- I thought that there were more than 8 episodes done. They were getting ready to do the Bester episode which was supposed to be somewhere around 15-19 in the episode run. I could be wrong, it's happened before, but I think that they had made it that far.

  • Feb. 26, 1999, 1:30 p.m. CST

    I believe this will see the light of day...

    by beaumon

    TV just ain't what it used to be. Mostly this is bad (quality wise), but it can be good to. I firmly believe that what one previous poster said is true. With 8 eps in the can, even at a modest million per, is 8 million that someone invested, and studios will do almost anything to recoup an investment. I'm thinking a video addendum to the B5 series release at minumum. Also, the thing I learned last summer from only working and not going to school is that there is a LOT of interesting stuff cropping up at times other than the traditional fall/midseason points these days. The only hard part is getting all the actors to come back and make additional eps to tie up the story arc even if someone is willing to pony up for 5 or more new eps. It would make a GREAT summer run, and give some far sighted tv programmer a coup over all the others who are mostly rerunning crap ("It's new to you," if you were under a rock for 9 months!) Just my thoughts. I would think, other than in the case of massive legal tie-ups involving multiple parties with unlimited resources, that this has to eventually come out somewhere, sometime. And if not, just imagine the bootleg potential. -Matt (who thinks hunting for bootlegs is kind of fun)

  • Feb. 26, 1999, 1:38 p.m. CST

    Just goes to show ya...

    by Ahriman

    You can't trust a network that fashions its acronym after an explosive.

  • Feb. 26, 1999, 1:53 p.m. CST

    Desperation leads to silly ideas

    by THXac3

    I

  • Feb. 26, 1999, 1:58 p.m. CST

    No more TNT for me...

    by Precious

    Ultimately, I blame TNT --with their preference for gratuitous sex and violence over story and plot-- for this whole fiasco. The only show I've ever cared about on TNT was B5, although I tended to to watch a few others simply because of Newton's fourth law (a TV showing channel X tends to continue showing channel X until changed by an external force). Now, that B5 is available on tape (sans TNT commercials) I don't even have to do that. Goodbye TNT. I do appreciate you're picking up season 5 of B5, but as a member of the fickle viewing public I don't need you (or your ads) any more. Henceforth, TNT is a deleted channel on my TV, so I can't even watch it by accident. It may be too late for write in campaigns, but it's not too late for spite.

  • Feb. 26, 1999, 2:47 p.m. CST

    Syndication?

    by Thieron

    Is there a chance for Crusade to go to Syndication? B5 was at its best there. I agree with someone else who said in a talk back, the important thing is for Crusade to be produced, even if it on a channel we can't get or some people can't get it in their areas on local channels. With it out there, we can always get the tapes, get a friend to record it, etc. I hope that Crusade does get made, I also hope that the Sci-Fi channel isn't the only place they can or have looked.

  • Feb. 26, 1999, 2:50 p.m. CST

    I'm cranky... I must need a nap

    by razor

    MacBeth you fuck nut... see what you did? Harry and/or Glen do you guys need some help with your cgi? Fix it so that it doesn't allow these obscenely long lines. I'm sick of panning left and right to read posts. While you're at it, add a compare that prevents those annoying double-posts. While I'm on my soapbox ranting... I'm so annoyed by this news. Just over five years ago, I didn't watch *any* TV. Then my brother turned me onto X-Files and a friend turned me onto Babylon Five. With this alarming trend of cancelling sci-fi shows and the last few good ones reaching their expiration dates, I may be back to my non-TV days again soon. Why doesn't FOX update their damn website with upcoming episodes for my favorite shows? I need a handful of Prozac.

  • Feb. 26, 1999, 2:52 p.m. CST

    Straczynski post to rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5

    by LeeW

    From: jmsatb5@aol.com (Jms at B5) Newsgroups: rec.arts.sf.tv.babylon5.moderated Subject: from jms re: Crusade Date: 26 Feb 1999 14:07:43 -0700 Message-ID: 19990226160301.11203.00000532@ng-cc1.aol.com> Bottom line: The reason we've been waiting so long for news is that the SciFi Channel has been crunching numbers for weeks, trying to make the deal work with WB, and doing their level best. The programming folks there loved the show (and special thanks has to go to Programming Head Tom Vitale at SFC who worked hardest to make this work). The problem is simply this: the money to fund a series is a BIG chunk of change. SFC had already allocated its budget for the year as of January 1st, and there simply wasn't enough left in this year's budget to pull it off. Also, the emphasis now is on spending money on shows where one owns a piece of it, and Crusade is owned entirely by WB. At the end of they day, they just couldn't make the dollars work, though they tried their damndest, and are only to be thanked. I'm told that if the ratings are good on the 13 which TNT will still air, all the eps made so far will be shown, there may be a second season, but we'll see. Meanwhile, I'm taking the day off. There have been seven offers for overall deals and multiple network pilot deals with both networks per se and studios on my desk for about a year now, ever since B5 ended, which I've been putting off to do Crusade. Now I'll pick one of those deals and make it. So the next thing from me you see will almost certainly be on one of the major networks. I'm going back into the deep water again.... Meanwhile, my thanks to all those who emailed and wrote and called and supported. It's a good show, as will be seen when the shows are aired, and I'd rather lose a show I believed in than keep one I didn't believe in. jms (jmsatb5@aol.com) B5 Official Fan Club at: http://www.thestation.com

  • Feb. 26, 1999, 2:53 p.m. CST

    what about UPN?

    by erin

    earlier someone mentioned UPN...I know UPN will be getting rid of much of its lineup this fall (save Voyager, Moesha and dilbert), so it could efinitely fit Crusade in. UPN already has several sci-fi shows, so there wouldn't be a conflict with the "vision" of the station. This may be impossible, but at least its an idea...

  • Feb. 26, 1999, 3:09 p.m. CST

    crusade and who's to blame

    by JGenie

    i wouldn't put the blame on any one specific party in all this mess. tnt had a right to stick their noses into producing a show, jms had a right to wallow in his usual hubris and scifi channel had a right not to want to spend more than $3 an episode for a new show. (note that they went ahead and dropped MST3K this year too) jms has responded to all this mess by saying tnt will be running 13 episodes of crusade that are in the can and if the numbers are good enough they'll go for a second season. you really can't ask for more than that. i just feel sorry for the people hired to work on the show and the actors involved. their lives have been tied up with this for nearly a year and it's been start and stop all the way through. personally, i have no great excitement about crusade -- the fifth season was the nail in the coffin for me.

  • Feb. 26, 1999, 3:19 p.m. CST

    There comes a time in every show's life when it must die.

    by AquaScorpio

    But Jeez, Crusade has barely had a chance to breath yet. I am also one of the first time posters and need to vent like the rest. TNT has bastardized (or damn near tried) everything about B5 since it picked it up. Starting from the lame ass commercials with Ivanova and G'Kar, to the previews which totally miss the plot of the show they describe. Hell, who remembers Capt. Lochley's appearance in the blimp during the Superbowl countdown. TNT was a hope that turned to disaster. It altered shooting schedules and controlled casting descisions to a point. Now it finds that JMS has a point he will not pass so drop a series to intellectual for the Steve Austin crowd. It ain't Voyager, which is a odd show to choice to copy regardless since it's continuance has been held up in the air each year. One question is I thought Babylonian secured to rights to film 22 episodes, so why not film them as the funds must still be provided, or is a legal trick in the air to take TNT out of the loop without any recompense to them. Just a thought. Faith manages and JMS is an atheist who makes miracles happen.

  • Feb. 26, 1999, 4:37 p.m. CST

    Thanks B5Fan...

    by Kmdr. Coenig

    ...for saying my post was "well thought out", But I'm happy that JMS proved it wasn't as well thought out as I thought. 13 episodes? Put that fat lady in a cryo-tube, it ain't over yet!!!

  • Feb. 27, 1999, 4:47 a.m. CST

    Crusade

    by SimpleBob

    Me too!

  • Feb. 27, 1999, 5:54 a.m. CST

    Trekkies

    by Shadow Lord

    I'm surprised that the trekkies haven't hit yet. I'm sure they would be walling in B5's demise. Basically, the season 4 was the best. season 5 was subpar, wxept for the final epsidoe. To all trekkies, know this, B5 may be dead, but it opened the floodgates. Proved you can beat star trek. Star treks days are numbered.

  • Feb. 27, 1999, 7:37 a.m. CST

    Goodbye Sci-fi...

    by Troy

    Well, despite JMS' words that we should "thank" Sci-Fi for their help, I will complain to them anyway. Babylon/Crusade was a quality show that would have drawn me to their channel... but they left it slip by. Although they could not afford to expend the money in 1998, the least they could have done was to promise to fit Crusade into their 1999 Budget. With zero committment to Crusade, Sci-Fi now has virtually nothing worth watching and as such, I will be cancelling my subscription. :( http://www.geocities.com/~videonovels

  • Feb. 27, 1999, 11:08 a.m. CST

    Crusade, NASA, etc.

    by Rotwang Dave

    That NASA angle could have helped. Sad that the show is gone, I liked the idea of going out on a whole new track, like the foreshadowing in the B5 movie alluded to. Dave

  • March 5, 1999, 8:23 a.m. CST

    ShadowLord..the trekkies are posting...

    by Assimiltr

    This "Trekker" is not sitting on her bum whining. There is a snail mail campaign and several petitions going around. If I could possible get this posted we might even gain a few more "Pebbles". The pebbles are voting, get with it! Crusade - The Quest for Life http://babylon5.acmecity.com/lurker/2/crusade.htm

  • July 7, 2006, 2:45 p.m. CST

    Another low-budget sci-fi series goes poof.

    by Wolfpack